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Senator
storm
senator
thayer
here
senator
wheeler
here,
representative
blanton,
here
representative
bowling
here,
representative
cantrell,
representative,
decker
representative
duplessy,
representative
fisher
representative
flood
representative,
gooch,
representative,
graham
representative
heath
here,
representative
hevron,
president
representative
heron
representative,
ims
here,
representative
johnson.
Yes,.
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D
E
Here
very
good
before
we
get
into
the
meet
of
our
meeting
here
today,
we
have
before
us
and
hopefully
you've
all
taken
a
look
at
this
a
a
referred.
I'm
sorry,
we
have
the
the
minutes.
First,
we
have
minutes
from
our
previous
meeting
that
we
need
to
approve.
E
F
F
It
deals
with
transition
constitutional
officers,
oftentimes
need
transition
teams
and
there's
a
time
period
where
you
they're
not
in
office,
but
they
have
people
working
with
them
to
fill
seats
in
their
administration,
whether
that's
a
governor
attorney
general
secretary
of
state-
and
this
just
sets
out
some
guidelines
for
them,
and
it
allows
a
way
for
us
to
collect
the
information
that
we
would
need
to
determine
if
those
people
are
doing
what
they
should
be
and
staying
out
of
what
they
shouldn't
be
involved
in.
F
E
All
righty
we'll
move
on
to
kind
of
the
meat
of
our
meeting,
and
next
up
is
the
representatives
from
secretary
of
state's
office
and
the
board
of
elections
and
I'll.
Let
the
ladies
take
their
seat
and
introduce
themselves.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here
today.
Thank
you
for
thanking
us,
and
the
focus
of
our
meeting
today
is
on
election
security
and
they're,
going
to
start
us
off
the
floors.
Hello.
G
If
I
can
get
the
powerpoint
okay,
thank
you
again
for
having
us
here
today.
As
you
all
well
aware,
we
have
myths
and
conspiracies
to
continue
to
abound
about
elections,
and
these
are
being
promulgated
by
people
that
really
should
know
better
in
the
last
two
years.
You
all
have
helped
us
upgrade
and
do
security
improvements
for
our
elections.
G
We've
included
photo
id
to
vote
cleaned
up.
The
voter
rolls,
if
you
think
about
it.
We've
had
over
110
000
deceased
voters
removed
over
the
last
two
and
a
half
years,
absentee
ballot
tracking,
enhanced
signature,
verification
ban
on
ballot
harvesting,
moved
to
paper,
ballots,
video
surveillance
on
voting
machines
and
expanded
audit
process.
G
I
think
it's
very
important
to
state
over
and
over
again
that
the
voting
machines
are
not
connected
to
the
internet.
They
do
not
have
modems
within
them.
The
internet
has
nothing
to
do
with
voting
in
kentucky
totals
tabulations
of
these
voting
machines
occur
at
the
precinct
level.
They
are
done
by
our
poll
workers
that
are
both
republican
and
democrat
by
law
and
there's
4
000
of
these
precincts.
G
It
would
take
a
lot
of
fraud
to
occur
if
it
was
happening
at
all
4
000
locations.
These
results
are
then
driven
to
our
county
clerk's
offices.
The
county
clerk
uses
computer
not
connected
the
internet.
To
consolidate
these
numbers
once
they
have
been
completed,
the
election
results
are
transferred
to
a
brand
new
flash
drive.
G
G
G
If
you
think
about
it,
this
way
how
many
of
us
stay
up
at
night
on
election
night
and
watch
the
results
come
in
unofficial
results
really
are
just
for
our
entertainment.
It
is
for
us
to
get
that
instant
gratification
and
I
think
we
really
need
to
think
about
it
that
way
hand
counting
is
not
the
most
secure
way
to
count
ballots.
G
G
Machines
go
through
at
accuracy
and
logic
testing
before
every
election,
and
I
don't
think
everybody
understands
that
that
testing
they
have
to
be
perfect.
Our
vendors
will
discuss
this
as
they
come
up
and
talk
to
you
as
well,
using
the
machine
to
count.
The
vote
also
combats
fraud
after
switching
to
the
machine
count
in
the
1940s,
but
the
courier
journal
and
the
herald
leader
reported
on
the
benefits
of
using
the
machines.
G
G
G
These
county
board
of
elections
are
comprised
of
republicans
democrats.
It's
bipartisan
the
way
it
should
be.
You
know,
there's
many
safeguards
that
they
use
documenting
the
chain
of
custody.
You
can
read
it
there,
I'm
not
going
to
read
it
to
you,
but
there
are
checks
and
balances
in
place
to
ensure
that
our
elections
are
secure.
G
Do
does
kentucky
use
paper
ballots
by
2024,
because
of
you
all.
We
will
have
paper
ballots
statewide
right
now.
We
have
very
few
counties
that
have
not
converted
to
paper
ballots
federal
funds
from
hava,
as
well
as
25
million
dollars
that
you
all
allocated
counties
will
be
up
to
date
and
ready
to
go
by
2024.
G
Another
thing
that
you
all
did
is
expand
the
audit
process.
Obviously,
kentucky
has
always
had
audits,
but
it
was
a
randomized
audit
process
done
by
the
attorney
general
state
board
of
elections
is
implementing
a
risk
limiting
audit
to
be
used
after
this
november
election.
This
will
give
a
random,
not
random,
I
guess
but
apolitically.
It
will
take
a
look
and
make
sure
that
the
results
that
we
report
by
a
percentage
are
correct.
This
allows
us
to
expand
it
if
we
find
there
are
any
deviations.
G
G
What's
on
the
ballot
right,
so
you
mean
you
have
multiple
ballots.
You
have
some
precincts
that
are
going
to
have
multiple
ballot
faces
in
that
precinct.
These
barcodes
just
tell
that
scanner
which
races
they're
voting
on
without
the
bar
codes.
The
counties
would
need
separate
machines
for
each
ballot
face
and
I
don't
think
we
have
the
money
to
be
able
to
support
that.
G
Again,
I
think
our
vendors
will
go
over
it
in
their
testimony
in
a
little
bit.
Our
voting
systems
are
designed
to
protect
against
tampering.
They
have
rules
that
they
follow
when
they're
stored.
They
have
rules
that
they
follow
for
transportation
and
voting.
They
have
physical
and
system
access
controls,
lockable
doors,
tamper,
evidence,
seals
and
access
codes.
G
There
are
so
many
things
that
the
county
clerks
and
they
hate
the
paperwork-
they're-
probably
nodding
behind
me
right
now,
but
there
are
so
many
things
that
they
have
to
do
after
every
election
before
every
election
during
every
election.
In
order
to
maintain
the
integrity
of
the
ballot,
they
know
the
number
of
ballots
that
have
been
given
out.
They
have
to
complete
an
accounting
of
all
the
ballots
used.
G
They
send
to
the
state
board
of
elections,
the
certification
of
the
official
county,
county
and
record
of
election
totals
this
is
signed
by
the
republican,
the
democratic
member,
the
county
clerk
and
the
county
sheriff.
I
think
we've
got
a
bipartisan
group
together
on
this
precinct
election
sheriff's
post-election
report.
This
goes
to
the
grand
jury
and
to
the
county
clerk.
G
All
voter
assistance
forms
are
provided
to
the
grand
jury.
All
oath
of
voter
forms
are
provided
to
the
commonwealth
attorney.
The
list
of
voters
issued
absentee
ballots
goes
to
the
state
board
of
elections.
The
grand
totals
report,
state
board
of
elections
rejected
absentee
and
reasons
is
sent
to
the
state
board
of
elections.
G
And
finally,
the
county
board
of
election
post-election
report
is
sent
to
the
grand
jury
and
the
state
board
of
elections.
We
have.
The
safeguards
in
place
are
voting
machine
certified
more
and
more
and
more.
Yes,
it's
a
two-part.
Actually,
it's
really
a
three-part
process.
You
have
the
election
assistance
commission
that
does
a
national
certification
of
any
election
equipment
that
is
to
be
used.
G
Then
the
state
board
of
elections
when
a
vendor
comes
to
them.
They
do
their
own
certification.
I
need
to
remind
you
that
both
the
eac
and
the
state
board
of
elections
are
bipolar.
Partisan
boards,
currently
kentucky
has
esns
heart.
Inner,
civic
and
microvote
microvote
is
currently
not
being
used.
So
that's
why
you
only
have
heart
and
es
and
s
here,
but
the
third
part
is
each
county
legislative
body
purchases,
the
machines
they
go
through
rfp
processes
they
go
through
their
own
checks
and
balances.
G
G
Finally,
when
you
want
election
information,
who
do
you
want
to
go
to
the
reality?
Is
you
need
to
go
to
an
election
official?
Go
to
somebody?
That's
been
a
poll
worker
go
to
somebody
that
has
been
working
in
as
an
administrator
for
elections
go
to
somebody
that
has
gone
to
the
testing
and
accuracy
of
the
voting
machines.
H
I
will
ditto
everything
that
miss
scotchfield
said
the
one
thing
I
would
like
to
add
about
the
testing
for
accuracy.
That
is
a
public.
It
is
notified
public.
Anyone
can
come
and
observe
the
machines
being
tested
for
accuracy.
I
know
the
clerks
will
publicize
it.
H
H
I
will
add
too
as
well.
If
ms
scotchville
doesn't
mind,
we
have
11
counties
that
are
not
upgraded
yet,
so
we
have
upgraded
almost
all
of
120
counties
and,
as
ms
scottsfield
said,
state
board
of
elections,
and
I
think
many
of
you
are
aware-
we
designated
6.7
million
from
a
security
fund
that
we're
closing
at
our
in
our
agency,
plus
the
25
million
that
your
you
all
have
approved
is
going
to
go
a
long
way
to
really
bring
the
counties,
the
11
counties,
plus
any
counties
that
would
need
additional
equipment
or
want.
H
E
Very
good
we're
going
to
take
some
questions
about
15
minutes
of
questions
and
then
we'll
pause
out
of
respect,
we're
going
to
make
sure
that
our
demons,
our
vendors,
that
are
here,
have
enough
time
as
well,
but
we've
got
several
questions
lining
up
and
we'll
take
a
few
of
these.
To
begin
with,
co-chair
bratcher
has
a
question.
D
Thank
you,
sir
miss
scratchfield,
I
scratchfield
scotchfield,
I'm
sorry.
I
really
enjoy
your
presentation
and
I
agree
with
all
of
it.
Basically,
but
I
gotta
tell
you
when
you
started
it
off
with
people
should
know
better
than
ask
these
questions
that
that
didn't
settle
good
with
me,
because
I
just
want
to
tell
you
there
are
a
lot
of
things
out
there
that
are
not
settled.
D
As
you
might
say,
they
are
because
I
I
can
go
to
10
different
election
lawyers
on
something
let's
say:
qualifications
for
a
candidate
and
I'll
get
10
different
answers
and
then
you've
got
active
judges
out
there
that
are
just
making
up
law
on
the
bench
constantly.
So
let's
don't
come
in
with
the
attitude.
This
is
a
panel
of
the
people
of
kentucky
representative
you're,
basically
talking
to
the
people
of
kentucky.
D
So
let's
please
just
don't
and-
and
this
sounds
harsh,
but
don't
take
it
that
way.
It's
just
this
is
for
all
of
us,
including
myself.
Let's
don't
get
so
arrogant
that
we
can't
ask
questions,
because
that's
what
we're
here
for
and
once
again
I
agree
with
you
on
that.
I
think
our
systems
are
very
safe
and
secure
and
I've
looked
at
it
from
all
the
questions.
So
if
you
want
to
respond,
if
the
chairman
allows
you
I
can
see,
you
want
to
respond
to
that.
G
If
I
may,
I
absolutely
I
absolutely
welcome
questions
the
problem
is.
Sometimes
people
are
getting
questions
with
people
that
don't
know
and
they're
answering
them,
but
we
welcome
questions.
We
welcome
them.
Coming
to
the
accuracy
testing,
I
didn't
mean
to
infer
that
you
can't
ask
questions.
I
I
We
know
about
the
voter
rolls
cleanup
effort
that
has
been
underway
under
secretary
adams,
administration
after
being
previously
ignored
by
his
predecessor,
despite
a
federal
decree,
and
we
appreciate
that
so
I
want
to
ask
part
of
my
question
being
when
you
say
clean
up
the
rolls.
What
does
that
mean?
I
We
know
anecdotally
that
a
lot
of
people
are
switching
parties,
but
I
would
also
ascribes
some
of
the
credit
to
the
efforts
of
your
office
in
dealing
with
these
voter
rolls,
and
I
wondered
if
you
could
explain
a
little
bit
about
the
voter
roll
cleanup
and,
if
there's
a
number
that
you
can
assign
to
the
switch
from
minority
registration
to
majority
registration
for
the
republican
party.
How
much
of
that
you
can
ascribe
to
the
voter
rolls
cleanup?
Is
that
a
clear
enough,
multi-faceted
multi-pronged
question.
G
I
I
mean
I
think
I
might
have
tweeted
about
it
last
week
if
anybody
wants
to
read
it,
but
I
some
people
asked
me
last
week
about
this
very
question
because
they
know
that
secretary
adams
has
been
working
very
hard
cleaned
up.
The
voter
rolls
and
some
people
just
asked
me
if,
if
we
had
any
idea-
and
I
can
understand
why
you
wouldn't
it's
a
very
complex
process,
but
so
let's
go
back
to
my
original
question.
When
we
talk
about
cleaning
up
the
voter
rolls.
What
does
that
mean.
G
G
We
also
state
board
of
elections,
gets
notifications
from
aoc
regarding
felony
convictions,
as
well
as
from
the
federal
courts.
We
also
have
from
vital
statistics.
We
get
notifications
on
deaths
within
kentucky
and
then
finally,
we
get
from
the
court
systems.
If
someone
has
been
determined
to
have
the
road
taken
away
by
the
courts,
one
of
the
biggest
things
I
think
that
has
assisted
us
over
the
last
two
and
a
half
years
also
is
eric.
It
allows
us
to
get
with
the
other
member
states
plea.
I
G
I'm
sorry
elections
we
talk
in
acronyms
and
just
stop
me
eric
is
the
elect
electronic
registration
information
center.
It
is
a
member
state
type
organization.
So
right
now,
I
think
there
are
31
states
that
are
members
what
they
do
is
they
get
information
from
each
state
from
their
transportation
cabinet,
as
well
as
their
state
board
of
elections
or
the
vote
voter
registration
information
they
match
this
data
to
determine.
If
someone
has
gotten
a
driver's
license
or
registered
to
vote
in
another
state
after
the
date
they
registered
in
kentucky.
G
That
does
not
remove
the
voter,
but
what
that
does
is
allow
for
us
to
look
at
voters
that
might
have
moved.
We
send
them
an
nvra
mailing
national
voter
registration
act,
which
is
the
prescribed
way
to
be
able
to
remove
a
voter
if
we
don't
have
contact
with
them.
So
then,
after
that,
postcard
notification
goes
within
four
years
or
two
federal
elections
that
voter
can
be
removed
if
they
have
not
voted
or
updated
their
information.
The
first
purge
or
removal
under
the
nvra
will
be
occur
after
this
2022
general
election.
G
One
of
the
other
things
that
eric
also
does
is
we
get
the
social
security
death
index
which,
if
a
voter
dies
in
kentucky,
we
get
their
information,
but
we
have
snowbirds
to
die
in
florida.
We
have
all
sorts
of
things.
So
what
this
allows
us
to
do
is
remove
those
voters
and
look
back
in
time
to
voters
that
may
have
died
10
20
years
ago.
J
So
thank
you.
I
don't
think
you
were
being
arrogant
or
aggressive
in
your
comments.
I
think
you
were
trying
to
provide
us
with
the
truth.
So
I
want
to
shout
out
to
you
to
the
two
of
you
for
stating
the
truth.
J
J
H
K
J
Well,
I
know
here
in
our
county,
it
went
pretty
well
and
the
county
clerk,
and
I
have
been
in
discussions
about
it
in
terms
of
the
turnout.
Was
it
any
different
in
terms
of?
Was
it
bigger?
Was
it
smaller
about
the
same
with
having
the
precincts
versus
the
the
voting
centers.
G
J
And
then,
and
the
last
thing,
mr
chairman,
I
wanted
to
ask
the
question:
the
11
counties
that
you
talked
about
that
needed
upgrading.
H
H
So,
and
I
think,
if
I
may
comment
about
the
vote,
centers
versus
precinct,
I
think,
coming
up
in
november
might
be
a
better
way
for
us
to
do
a
little
bit
of
judgment
on
how
people
feel
about
the
precinct
versus
votes.
G
C
G
I
think
I
believe
the
only
issues
we
have
right
now
with
not
having
paper
ballots
are
our
ada
accessible
machines,
and
that
is
what
we
are
pushing
for
replacement
of
right
now,
but
I
mean
the
others,
so
it's
only
the
ada
machines
that
are
not
paper.
C
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
and
then
the
second
question
real
quick.
I
know
that
secretary
of
state
has
a
plan
in
place
to
clean
up
the
voter
registration.
G
G
I
would
say
in
the
next
four
to
eight
years
as
long
as
it's
continued,
we
should
see
market
improvement,
but
the
reality
is
with
less
maintenance.
It
has
to
be
continuous.
Otherwise
you
have
you
miss
somebody,
so
I
mean
you
have
to
send
those
mailings
out
every
year
in
order
to
make
sure
that
your
roles
are
accurate.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
would
have
waited
for
the
vendors,
but
I
didn't
know
if
they'd
have
the
answer
for
this
real,
quick,
the
portal
it's
opened
45
days
prior
to
the
election
final
election
day.
This
portal
can
be
accessed
by
the
clerk
clerk's
office
or
an
individual
voter.
Is
that
correct,
yeah?
Okay,
we'll
go
real
fast
with
this
and
get
the
answer.
So,
if
I'm
voting
45
days
before
the
election
day,
I
can
call
the
clerk
give
him
my
information.
They
mail
me
the
ballot.
L
E
L
H
L
L
L
L
M
M
L
In
all
due
respect,
representative
nemes
and
all
and
mr
chairman,
what
I'm
trying
to
point
out
is
there's
a
process
other
than
absentee
voting
that
you
get
mailed
an
application,
fill
out
mail
it
back.
They
mail,
you
the
form,
the
voting
ballot.
You
voted,
signed,
two
signatures
that
match
send
back.
That's
an
absentee
ballot.
L
What
I'm
talking
about
is
a
prior
way
that
we
have
access
to
in
a
portal
to
vote
a
ballot,
that's
not
the
same
as
an
absentee
ballot,
so
I
want
to
clarify,
there's
two
methods
of
early
voting
other
than
the
three
machines.
One
of
them
is
you
get
on
the
portal
and
you
fill
out
the
information
and
the
clerk's
office
mails.
You.
L
L
Okay,
I'm
sorry
for
taking
up
so
much
time,
mr
chairman,
but
this
has
been
a
question
as
my
clerk
even
said
that
the
voting
started
45
days
prior.
So
that's
what
I
was
trying
to
clarify
the
process.
So
again
I
apologize
I'm
just
trying
to
get
that
part
cleared
up,
because
that
is
questions.
I've
had
appreciate
it.
F
Board
chair
sellers
mentioned,
you
know,
pike,
county's,
very
large
geographic
area,
and
we
did
move
from
our
normal
56
precincts
to.
I
believe,
17
super
precincts.
The
last
time
now
I
had
one
of
these
super
precincts
in
my
normal
voting
precinct.
F
So
it
really
wasn't
a
problem
for
me,
but
I
did
have
some
complaints
from
some
folks
in
other
parts
of
the
county
and
and
if
the
county
was
to
need
more
resources
to
get
additional
machines
to
open,
which
I
understand
that
that's
actually
the
default
mechanism,
the
the
county
clerk
would
have
to
submit
a
an
alternative
proposal
for
approval.
H
Pike
county
is
a
good
example
and
they
did
take
advantage
of
the
6.7
million
when
they
that
we
had
closing
our
have
a
security
fund
at
state
board
of
elections.
H
They
are
also
eligible
under
the
12.5
over
two
years
of
a
biennium.
They
could,
if
they
so
chose
to
buy
more
equipment,
and
I
will
go
back
when
it
was
mentioned
about
the
machines,
the
ada
machines.
That's
one
of
the
things
I'm
encouraging
the
county
funding,
let's
get
those
that
would
be
a
good
example
of
additional
machines
that
the
counties
are
going
to
need
to
move
that
also
to
paper.
H
F
Yeah
I
mean,
and
just
to
brief
all
up
yeah
I
understand-
and
I
you
know
anemic
or
the
turnout
in
the
primary
this
year
was-
was
really
pretty
anemic.
To
be
honest
with
you
and,
and
I
think,
to
some
degree
that
may
have
been
as
a
result
of
folks
not
having
access
to
the
normal
precincts,
which
I
understand
is
to
a
large
part
of
problem
of
getting
people
to
work
those
precincts.
F
E
Okay,
we're
going
to
shift
and
we're
going
to
allow
our
vendors
to
come
forward
and
then
we'll
return
to
our
questions.
Queue.
We've
got
several
more
there,
but
if
we
want
to
have
the
folks
from
esns
come
forward,
we've
got
two
gentlemen
that
have
traveled
here
from,
I
believe
out
of
town
and
let
them
introduce
themselves
and
give
their
background
and
gentlemen
we're.
Obviously
you
hear
the
type
of
questions
that
we
have
we're
very
concerned
about
election
security
and
how
that's
handled
through
your
voting
equipment.
So
welcome
and
the
floor
is
yours.
N
Chairman,
excuse
me,
my
name
is
brandon
clifton
I
serve
as
senior
vice
president
of
government
affairs
with
esns.
Next
to
me
is
tucker
o'mell,
an
engineer
with
the
s
s
in
a
prior
life.
I've
well,
I've
been
with
the
company
since
october,
but
before
that
served
as
chief
of
staff
and
deputy
secretary
to
the
indiana
secretary
of
state,
where
we
somehow
forgot
how
to
play
basketball
in
kentucky
has
certainly
picked
up
where
indiana
left
off.
N
We
we.
We
certainly
welcome
your
interest
in
this
topic.
We
welcome
your
inquiry.
We
welcome
your
suspicion
and
we
welcome
your
questions.
We
think
it's
wonderful
for
the
elections,
community
and
tremendous
for
elections
going
forward
testified
today,
certainly
without
reservation,
with
regard
to
the
products
that
esn
s,
offers
and
and
like
to
talk
about,
testing
would
like
to
talk
about
paper,
ballots
and
auditing.
N
So
with
regard
to
testing
it's
just
it's
just
so
core
to
what
we
do
and
who
we've
become
internal
to
the
company
and
then,
of
course,
externally
facing
with
our
customers
without
without
testing
and
security
in
the
space
one.
I
just
simply
can't
survive
each
piece
of
equipment
and
software
is
put
through
a
litany
of
security
functionality,
accessibility,
usability
and
environmental
environmental
testing
before
it's
ever
used
in
an
election.
N
Public
tests
that
occur
before
an
election
is
conducted
so
beginning
to
end,
and
then
even
post-election
audits
serve
as
a
as
a
type
of
test
with
regard
to
the
integrity
and
accuracy
of
the
equipment
itself,
so
before
a
product
ever
leaves
our
headquarters
in
omaha
to
the
point
where
and
after
ballots
have
been
prepared
by
a
ballot
marking
device
or
tabulated
by
a
tabulator
testing
occurs
throughout
the
life
life
cycle
of
the
elections
process.
N
With
regard
to
paper
records
paper
records
is,
of
course,
also
integral
to
the
success
of
of
election
integrity
and
ongoing
integrity.
In
this
country
we
were
the
first
to
voluntarily
stop
selling.
What
are
known
are
as
dres
direct
record
electronic
tabulators
that
don't
have
a
paper
trail
associated
with
it.
N
Of
course,
paper
trails
and
verifiable
paper
trails
provide
the
opportunity
to
conduct
meaningful
substantial
post-election
audits,
which
of
course
increases
the
accuracy
and
the
confidence
of
of
elections
increases
the
confidence
that
the
machines
tabulated
as
they
were,
programmed
to
tabulate
and
builds
trust
in
our
community.
Once
again,
we
hold
ourselves
accountable
for
raising
the
bar
and
election
related
products
and
services
and
view
ourselves
as
some
of
the
industry's
leaders
in
the
space.
It's
a
very
small
market.
N
We
believe
that
collectively
we
can
provide
necessary
and
continuous
improvement
in
election
security.
Those
are
just
a
few
of
the
highlights
of
our
approach
and
I'd
like
to
dive
in.
If
I
could
just
a
little
bit
more
with
regard
to
testing
every
ess
system,
we
field
undergoes
rigorous
testing
by
independent
federal
test
labs
accredited
by
the
national
institute
of
standards
and
technologies
or
nist.
Since
2009
esns
has
certified
more
than
two
dozen
unique
voting
system
releases
through
this
federal
testing
program.
N
We
continue
to
submit
updated
versions
of
our
software
to
the
eac
for
states
and
states
for
testing
and
approval
on
a
regular
and
consistent
basis.
We
also
conduct
thorough
and
pervasive
penetration
testing
of
our
hardware
and
software,
using
some
of
the
same
tools
that
are
best
practices
and
industry
standards
in
the
field.
N
N
N
Es
nest,
designs
and
manufactures
purpose-built
voting
equipment.
We
know
where
every
programmable
piece
and
park
comes
from
and
that
is
free
from
defect
to
ensure
the
sustainability
of
our
voting
systems.
Esns
designs,
durable,
excuse
me,
designs,
designs,
ensure
durability,
ease
of
maintenance
and
availability
of
parts
and
supplies.
N
The
s
s
supply
chain
is
the
most
extensive
in
the
elections.
Industry
final.
Some
final
comments
here:
esn
secure
management
system
also
known
as
ems.
Another
acronym
here
in
the
industry
are
hardened.
That
means
that
the
computer
is
locked
down
with
and
allows
access
only
to
functions
required
to
conduct
an
election
unused
ports
are
blocked
and
unnecessary
services
are
removed.
N
N
In
closing,
I
want
to
be
clear
that
neither
we
nor
our
customers
are
perfect.
On
a
rare
occasion,
humans
make
mistakes,
and-
and
sometimes
we
see
that
in
the
news-
but
it
is
our
our
our
goal
to
offer
constituents
our
customers
as
perfect
of
an
election
as
possible.
E
All
right,
thank
you,
mr
clifton.
I
think
just
a
side
note
for
members
they've.
They
have
brought
their
equipment
with
them.
For
for
you
to
take
a
look,
if
you
have
specific
questions
after
the
meeting,
I
think
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
let
the
next
vendor
come
forward
and
then
we'll
ask
questions
as
as
needed
by
by
each
vendor,
so
we'll
bring
harp
enterprises
forward.
K
You,
mr
chairman,
my
name
is
bobby
gantley,
I'm
the
president
of
harp
enterprises
and
I'll.
Let
these
gentlemen
introduce
themselves
who
are
with
us
today.
O
Ross
robertson
vice
president
of
sales
for
a
harp
enterprises.
Okay,.
K
K
We
are
an
election
services
organization
and
the
reason
I'm
starting
out
with
that
is.
We
are
not
the
manufacturer
of
the
verdi
voting
equipment
that
we
service
and
support.
We
are
the
official
reseller
and
our
partner
heart
inner
civic.
Is
the
manufacturer.
That's
why
we
brought
them
here
from
austin
texas
to
be
in
front
of
you
all,
as
well
as
some
of
our
customers,
that
this
is
our
partner
who
we're
dealing
with,
and
we
are
not
manufacturing
the
equipment
here
in
kentucky.
P
P
P
We
support
state
level,
customers,
county
level,
customers,
small
municipal
jurisdictions,
kind
of
the
very
biggest
to
the
very
smallest
and
we're
very
proud
of
the
feedback
we
receive
from
our
customers
and
I'll.
Tell
you
a
little
bit
more
about
that
in
just
a
second.
We
have
a
little
bit
over
840
customers
across
20
states.
Here
in
the
united
states.
We
don't
do
any
business
outside
of
the
united
states,
we're
exclusively
a
u.s
company.
P
P
P
I,
this
is
a
very
popular
topic,
as
you
might
imagine,
so,
I'm
proud
to
tell
you
that
all
of
our
products
are
made
in
the
united
states.
Our
primary
manufacturing
facility
is
located
two
miles
down
the
road
from
our
headquarters.
In
austin,
we
also
have
redundant
u.s
manufacturing
facilities
just
to
ensure
continuity
of
operations.
P
I
referred
earlier
to
customer
satisfaction
we're
very
proud
of
the
fact
that
we
survey
our
customers
every
year.
We
invite
all
of
them
to
complete
a
survey
and
ask
for
very
honest
feedback.
Our
overall
customer
satisfaction.
We
have.
We
have
a
bunch
of
questions
in
the
survey,
but
one
of
them
is
just
overall.
P
How
satisfied
are
you
and
we've
had
13
surveys
in
a
row
dating
back
to
2009,
with
a
customer
satisfaction
of
over
90
percent,
so
that's
kind
of
where
we
set
the
bar
for
ourselves,
but
we
continue
to
try
to
raise
the
bar
and
we
are
happy
to
share
this
information
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
everything
we
can
to
respond
to
our
customers
and
and
continue
to
improve
their
experience.
P
P
Everyone
in
the
company
goes
through
cyber
security
training
and
everyone
in
the
company
participates
per
their
job
function
in
department
of
homeland
security,
election
security
roundtables.
If
you're
not
familiar
with
roundtables
they're,
effectively
a
hypothetical
situation.
What
what
would
happen
if
something
went
wrong?
What
would
you
do
so?
We
rehearse
situations
to
try
to
make
sure
that
we're
prepared
for
anything
that
might
happen.
The
good
news
is
through
data
redundancy
and
paper
ballots,
which
we're
going
to
talk
about
a
lot
today
there.
P
There
are
not
a
lot
of
gaps
in
that
process,
but
we
always
want
to
make
sure
we
stay
up
to
date
through
our
partners,
with
whatever
the
latest
vulnerabilities
might
be
out
there
in
the
world
and
that's
a
perfect
segue
into
this
slide,
which
talks
to
you
a
little
bit
about
who
we're
partnered
with
we
serve
directly
on
committees
with
all
the
organizations
you
see
here.
The
national
association
of
secretary
of
state's
meeting
was
just
last
week
in
baton,
rouge
louisiana
and
with
the
national
association
of
state
election
directors.
P
I
believe,
is
coming
up
this
week
or
or
maybe
maybe
maybe
next
I
can't
remember
the
exact
dates
they
all
they
all
kind
of
blend
together,
but
we're
we
work
closely
with
all
these
organizations
to
make
sure
that
we're
sharing
information
so
that
we
can
all
contribute
effectively
to
election
security.
P
I
want
to
talk
to
you
just
a
little
bit
about
the
verity
product.
Obviously
we
brought
it
here
into
the
committee
room
for
you
to
look
at
and
and
test
drive
if
you'd
like,
but
let
me
give
you
a
little
bit
of
an
overview
of
the
product
itself
as
you've
heard
many
times
today.
This
product
is
never
connected
to
the
internet.
P
We
provide
voter,
verifiable
paper,
audit
trails,
so
there's
a
paper
ballot
for
every
voter.
We
do
not
encode
voter
selections
in
barcodes
now
this
is
something
that
is
a
big
deal
for
us.
We
want
to
make
sure
we
believe,
philosophically
that
if
a
voter
is
reviewing
their
choices,
that
they
made
on
their
ballot,
that
the
scanner
that's
reading,
their
choices
is
reading
the
same
words
that
the
voter
is
reading.
So,
if
I
vote
for
mary
smith,
the
scanner
will
read
mary
smith.
P
The
scanner
does
not
read
barcode
barcode,
barcode
barcode,
it
reads
the
words
mary
smith,
so
that's
a
unique
feature
of
our
product
and
we
believe
it's
the
right
thing
to
do.
For
for
for
your
voters,
I
talked
about
the
fact
that
we're
designed
developed
to
manufacture
the
united
states,
our
product
is
fully
accessible
for
voters
with
disabilities
and
we
we
support
all
types
of
post-election
audits
and
all
of
our
devices
provide
plain
language.
Audit
logs
and
by
plain
language
I
mean
you
and
I
could
read
it.
P
It
would
tell
you
mary
logged
in
at
5
00.
Am
she
logged
off
at
7,
bob
came
and
logged
in
and
here's
what
he
did
while
he
was
logged
in
then
bob
logged
out,
and
so,
if
there's
ever
any
question
about
who's
using
the
system,
how
they
accessed
it,
what
they
did
while
they
were
on
the
system,
all
those
audit
logs
are
available
to
the
election
officials.
P
I
won't
try
to
cover
everything
that's
on
this
slide,
but
the
point
of
it
is
to
show
that
in
the
areas
of
hardware,
software
and
auditability,
we
believe
that
the
verdi
security
features
stack
up
in
a
in
a
very
strong
way
relative
to
other
options.
P
The
again,
the
features
that
are
listed
here
are
some
of
the
ones
that
you've
heard
about
today.
There's
also
a
lot
of
features
on
this
slide
that
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions
about,
possibly
when
the
meeting
adjourns,
but
we
we
include
all
of
these
features
into
our
systems.
We
don't
want
to
cut
corners
in
any
way
and
we
don't
want
to
sacrifice
election
security,
for
you
know
an
easier
manufacturing
process,
or
anything
like
that.
P
I
talked
earlier
about
the
the
paper
trail.
No,
voter
choices
and
barcodes
voters
who
might
vote
on
a
bilingual
ballot
will
see
their
choices
in
their
native
language
as
well
as
in
english.
So
if
a
if
a
non-english
speaking
voter
is
reviewing
their
ballot,
they
can
review
it
in
language
they
understand.
But
if
somebody
later
on
is
conducting
an
audit
and
that
person
speaks
english,
the
person
conducting
the
audit
can
see
that
the
same
ballot
in
in
language
that
they
understand.
P
We
provide
our
voters
with
a
full-size
ballot.
It's
an
eight
and
a
half
by
eleven
or
eight
and
a
half
by
fourteen
or
seventeen
or,
however
long
it
needs
to
be
ballot
summary
if
they
use
our
one
of
our
ballot
marking
devices,
because
we
believe
that's
just
a
better
voter
experience
as
opposed
to
a
smaller
size
summary.
P
P
So
in
our
system,
we
provide
choices
to
our
customers
in
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky.
They
in
terms
of
providing
a
ballot
to
the
voter
counties,
can
pre-print
ballots
before
the
election
or
they
can
print
ballots
on
demand,
as
voters
walk
into
the
polling
location
either
way.
The
voter
then
has
to
mark
a
ballot,
so
they
can
either
mark
the
ballot
by
hand
or
they
can
mark
a
ballot
with
a
ballot
marking
device.
P
Typically,
ballot
marking
devices
are
used
by
voters
with
disabilities,
but
certainly
any
voter
could
use
one
as
well,
regardless
of
how
you
vote
by
hand
or
with
a
ballot
marking
device.
The
ballot
then
has
to
go
into
the
scanner.
It's
it's
those
three
steps.
You
give
them
a
ballot,
they
mark
it.
One
way
or
another-
and
it
goes
into
the
scanner,
so
you
can
see
our
products
in
the
images
across
the
bottom
of
the
screen.
That's
what
we
provide.
P
We
provide
a
an
option
for
counties
to
print
ballots
on
demand
if
they
choose
to,
but
they
don't
have
to.
We
provide
multiple
options
for
ballot
marketing
devices,
for
voters
with
disabilities,
and
then
we
provide
the
scanner
which
captures
the
voters
choices
and
I
believe
that's
it.
I'm
going
to
hand
it
back
over
to
bobby
you
go.
K
To
the
next
slide,
so,
as
I
mentioned
when
I
started
harp
enterprise
has
been
in
business
for
50
years,
serving
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky.
We
currently
provide
service
to
97
of
the
120
counties
here
in
the
state
and
the
reason
I
bring
up
the
50
years
and
what
we
do.
You
just
heard
that
we
don't
manufacture
the
equipment.
K
From
now
until
november,
8th
our
company
is
working
on
the
general
election.
It's
not
an
overnight
task,
three
and
a
half
four
and
a
half
months.
So
this
is
where
our
company
comes
in
as
the
reseller
service
provider
to
our
customers
here
in
the
state.
So
I
said
before
we
were
founded
in
1972
by
rj
hart.
We
started
out
as
a
printing
company.
We
just
quickly
transitioned
into
printing
absentee
ballots.
K
K
K
When
I'm
going
to
go
through,
we
build
the
actual
databases
we
program,
all
the
media,
for
all
of
the
voting
machines.
We
set
all
the
voting
machines
all
the
way
down
to
election
night.
This
is
a
process
that
goes
on
and
on
and
on
election
after
election
until
you
have
the
off
year
and
that
really
isn't
an
off
year
as
far
as
that
goes
as
far
as
elections
go,
this
last
page
is
really
what
I
want
to
get
into.
K
K
What
they
have
are
a
non-paper
verifiable
trail.
That's
what
we're
looking
to
upgrade
with
some
of
these
counties
present
day,
and
these
numbers
are
so.
The
blue
have
already
upgraded
to
our
verdi
voting
system
and
the
green
are
the
ones
that
we
are
trying
to
upgrade
and
we'll
upgrade
before
2024,
but
that's
where
they
stand.
So
when
you
asked
where
they
were
in
the
state-
and
I
believe
miss
scotchfield
was
talking
about
how
old
they
were
as
far
as
that
goes.
So,
service
is
what
we
do.
K
K
Our
team
has
been
trained
on
that
every
database
is
built
at
our
facility.
Nothing
goes
to
texas,
we
get
it
back
from
them.
It's
built
right
at
2400
merchant
street.
All
audio
files,
if
someone
has
to
use
a
ballot
marking
device
and
they
need
that
capability-
that's
done
right
there
at
our
facility
as
well,
all
proofreading
ballot,
printing,
every
ballot
that
services
our
customers
comes
from
our
facility.
Nothing
is
outsourced
right
there
at
our
warehouse
voting
machine
setting.
We
send
five
to
eight
people
that
visit
every
county
and
set
every
machine
in
the
state.
K
There
are
a
few
counties
that
have
come
to
us
and
they
want
to
set
their
own
machines.
They
have
to
go
through
a
process
with
us
of
checks
and
balances.
What
they're?
Looking
for
for
accuracy,
testing
things
of
that
nature?
So
we
just
don't
let
anyone
come
through,
go
through
and
start
setting
voting
machines
precinct
election
officer
training.
This
is
a
big
ordeal
throughout
the
state
to
make
sure
everyone
gets
trained.
We
do
roughly
around
100
of
these
classes
for
every
election.
K
Okay,
that's
a
lot
of
time
on
the
road
training
precinct
election
officers.
That's
laws,
opening
closing
how
the
machines
function,
things
of
that
nature
and
that's
one
of
the
keys
ross
and
three
other
guys.
I
do
some
myself,
but
we
cover
the
entire
state
accuracy
testing
on
every
database.
That's
been
brought
up
today.
It's
why
we're
here
to
talk
about
it
has
to
be
done
right.
K
Every
database
has
accuracy
testing
to
make
sure
the
exact
results
come
out
every
time
before
the
machine
works
on
election
day,
it's
as
simple
as
that
it
has
to
go
through
the
county
clerks
have
to
sign
off
on
it.
That's
not
something
we
develop.
That
was
part
of,
I
believe
a
kar
years
ago
to
get
accuracy
testing
to
make
sure
this
is
done
right.
K
One
thing
that
we
are
proud
of
and
I'm
almost
done
to
wrap
up.
Of
course,
we
do
election
day
support
in
any
county
that
wants
us
there
for
election
day,
but
we
do
regional
training
sites
across
the
state,
because
I
can't
have
county
clerks
out
in
mccracken
county
to
drive
to
luxem
to
get
training,
so
I
set
up
sites
around
there
where
they
get
end
of
night
reporting
on
the
software
for
them
and
their
staff.
We
also
do
it
at
our
facility.
K
We
do
that
for
every
election
as
well,
and
one
of
the
big
things
that
we
are
proud
of
as
far
as
security
chain
of
custody-
that's
important
today
and
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
does
it,
but
I
know
that
we
do
it.
The
election
media
the
little
v
drives
usbs
that
record
all
the
votes
in
the
machines
that
are
brought
back
in
town
at
the
end
of
the
night.
None
of
that
is
mailed
to
any
of
our
customers.
K
K
E
Very
good,
thank
you
so
much!
Okay!
Now
we
have
a
queue
of
questions
here
and
I'm
just
going
to
ask
when
you're
asking
your
question
since
we've
got
three
different
groups
of
folks.
That
may
let
us
know
or
ask
your
question
directly
to
either
the
secretary
of
state's
office
board
elections
or
our
vendors
that
are
here
so
co-chair
miller
had
a
question
as
a
question.
Q
Well,
it
came
up
in
the
presentation
of
the
secretary
of
state's
office,
but
I'm
I'll
just
put
it
out
generally
to
these
gentlemen,
and
that
is,
we
are
in
a
low
trust
environment.
I
think
we
all
understand
and
accept
that
and-
and
ms
scotchfield
mentioned,
that
there
were
seals
on
the
machines.
Q
Could
you
talk
about
that
and
what
does
that
seal
mean
in
terms
of
protection?
Is
it
possible
that
for
someone
to
install
a
modem
or
a
bluetooth
device,
anything
along
those
lines,
if
that
seal's
in
place
properly.
O
I
can
go
ahead
and
take
that
the
each
of
the
machines
has
locks
on
them
that
safeguard
the
v
drives
that
he
was
talking
about.
There's
also
every
place.
There's
a
lock.
There
is
a
place
for
a
security
seal
to
be
put
on
there,
those
security
seals
as
either
placed
on
by
harp
representatives
or
poll
workers
on
the
day
of
election,
and
I
can
talk
more
about
that
process.
Q
O
First
of
all,
there
is
no
modems
or
no
connectivity
to
the
internet,
and
there
is
no
way
for
somebody
if
they
were
even
possible
on
through
an
election
if
they
were
to
hook
something
up
to
our
equipment.
We
have
proprietary
usb
port
in
the
back.
That
is
notched
if
they
put,
and
it's
paired
differently
on
the
wiring.
So
if
they
try
to
insert
a
cable
that
was
a
usb
cable
one,
it
wouldn't
fit
and
two
if
they
were
able
to
get
it
in
there.
O
We
have
what's
called
a
kiosk
mode
on
our
equipment
and
it's
protective
things.
So
if
it
looks
at
anything
coming
new
into
that
machine,
the
first
thing
it
does
not
won't
get
real
technical,
but
there's
hash
files
on
the
machine.
It's
looking
for
matching
hash
files,
and
if
these
do
not
match
it
will
shut
itself
down
it
shuts
itself
down
for
purposely
to
make
sure
nothing
is
tampered
with
with
the
equipment
no
malware
or
any
of
that
can
be
placed
on
the
machine.
Okay,
thank
you.
E
Could
I,
before
I
go
to
the
next
question,
the
the
esn
s
engineer
that
was
here
from?
Would
you
like
to
to
real
quickly
address
that
on
your
equipment
as
well.
R
Mr
chairman
tucker
mel
sales
engineer
with
esns.
The
question
was
regarding
modems
and
their
installation
in
the
system.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
first
of
all,
ess
products
in
the
commonwealth
do
not
have
installed
modems
and
very
similar
to
the
harp
and
heart.
Gentlemen,
if,
if
somebody
attempted
to
install
a
physical
modem
into
the
machine,
just
know
that
their
physical
security
of
the
machine
is
paramount,
and
so
that's
why
we
provide
over
a
dozen
opportunities
for
numbered
seals
and
tape.
R
Likewise,
we
also
our
machines,
have
the
ability
to
ability
to
hash
capture
a
hash
value
of
all
the
computer
code
that
is
loaded
on
that
system.
Okay,
a
hash,
a
hash
value
is
basically
a
computer.
Summary
of
this
is
every
bit
and
byte
of
that's
on
this
machine.
It
summarizes
it
into
a
string
of
letters
and
numbers.
Okay
and
the
eac
also
captures
that
hash
value
when
they
certify
that
exact
firmware.
B
B
In
order
here
since
hold
on
since
the
engineers
on
at
the
table,
maybe
we'll
start
backwards.
B
The
poll
books,
so
I
vote
in
a
county
where
we
have
pick
up
your
paper
ballot
and
market
yourself,
which
is
awesome
and
some
of
my
friends
don't
live
in
those
counties.
So
for
the
people
who
are
getting
stuck
on
these
tablet
systems,
my
understanding
is
they
sign
in
and
then
they
get
their.
B
I
don't
know
if
it's
qr
barcode
or
what
kind
of
code,
but
from
the
poll
book
that
I
think
sequences
for
the
ballot
faces
they
then
put
into
the
ess
or
the
heart,
whatever
verity
system
we're
talking
about,
can
how
is
the
engineering
coordinating?
Because
I
haven't
heard
anything
about
poll
books
yet
do
you
does
esn
s
because
I
don't
think
we
use
dsns
or
heart
for
pull
books?
So
I
don't
know
if
you
all
make
pull
books.
How
do
you
coordinate
between
manufacturers
with
the
poll
book,
programming
or
whatnot?
Who
does
that?
B
N
I
understand
10x
to
be
the
epoll
book
provider,
so
it
would
I'm
not
dodging
your
question.
I
appreciate
your
question.
It
might
be
more
appropriate
for
the
state
to
answer
that
just
not
familiar
with
the
with
the
with
the
marrying
between
the
state
and
the
technology.
That's
at
use
here
in
the
state.
P
I'll
I'll
attempt
to,
if
I
understood
your
question
correctly,
it
is
it
is,
how
does
the?
How
does
the
voters
precinct
information
get
to
the
machine,
and
I
presume
I
I
I
don't
want
to
presume
too
much,
but
when
we
hear
this
question
in
other
places
it
sometimes
is
related
to.
Does
the
machine
know
who
the
voter
is?
Does
the
voters,
personal
information,
follow
them
through
that
process.
P
P
P
So,
generally
speaking,
when
a
voter
checks
in
and
the
the
pull
book,
whether
it's
10x
or
anybody
else's,
will
generate
a
report,
a
little
piece
of
paper
that
says
this
voter,
we
don't
know
who
they
are
on.
The
piece
of
paper
needs
to
vote
with
ballot
style,
219
a
and
so
the
the
the
poll
worker
can
then
provide
the
proper
ballot,
whether
it's
a
pre-printed
physical
ballot,
whether
it's
a
print
on
demand,
they'll
just
touch
the
screen
that
says
219
a
it'll
print
up
the
ballot.
They
hand
it
to
the
voter.
P
R
Senator
southworth,
I
can
also
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
the
data
flow,
the
ess
ems
system,
election
management
system,
the
software
that's
on
the
hardened
electionware
pc
that
runs
on
our
computer.
It
outputs
a
tiny
data
file
which
basically
just
summarizes
these
are
the
ballot
styles
and
the
precincts
that
are
in
the
selection
that
we're
aware
of
that
single
file
is
sneaker
netted
on
a
usb
drive.
R
That
only
goes
one
way
from
that
system:
that's
not
connected
the
internet
to
the
10x
system,
where
they
learn
what
we've
numbered
the
precincts
and
things
like
that
and
that's
how
they
know
what
barcode
to
print
on
the
voter's
receipt
that
that
does
not
even
identify
the
voter,
it
simply
names
the
correct
ballot
style
for
them.
So
it
is
a
data
flow.
That
is
one
way
only
and
we
never
accept
anything
back
from
the
10x
system.
B
Yes,
ma'am,
so
the
slide
you
shared
about
the
expanded
audit
process
said
the
risk
limiting
audit
needed
to
be
done
randomly
and
apolitically,
and
then
you
corrected
yourself
and
said
well,
not
really
exactly
randomly,
and
earlier
this
year,
when
I
was
working
on
this
audit
situation,
it
came
as
a
surface
that
you
all
were
looking
at,
maybe
adopting
a
colorado
model.
B
So,
since
we
passed
the
risk,
let
me
not
at
legislation
last
year
and
went
into
effect
over
a
year
ago
we're
just
now
starting
the
wristling
audit.
Can
you
say
what
do
you
mean
by
not
random
and
is
it
going
to
be
random
or
is
it
not
going
to
be
random?
Is
it
the
colorado
model,
or
is
it
something
else?
B
H
Now
in
the
legislation
that
was
passed,
it
said
we
would
begin
with
a
pilot
program
which
that's
what
we
will
be
doing
in
november
and
we
have
six
counties
that
are
participating
that
are
working
with
us
in
a
work
group
currently
to
develop
our
model
that
we
will
use
to
perform
the
risk
limiting
audit
after
the
general
election
and
actually
two
of
the
counties
that
are
participating
in
that
risk.
Limiting
audit
their
clerks
are
here
today
with
us,
and
we
tried
to
do
a
random
selection
of
counties
to
larger
to
medium-sized,
to
smaller
counties.
H
H
We
have
representatives
from
heart,
inner
civic
harp
enterprises
and
esns,
and
their
technical
groups
are
working
with
us
as
we
develop
the
model
for
risk
limiting
audit
to
perform
in
november,
and,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
if
I'm
not
speaking
out
of
turn,
I
believe
that
we
have
approached
senator
mills
about
doing
a
a
report
for
this
committee
later
in
this
year
to
up
to
provide
a
little
bit
better
update
as
we
complete
the
process
and
be
ready
for
it.
B
Thank
you
final
comment,
mr
chairman.
Yes,
I
have
a
constituent
that
texted
me
and
asked
me
to
share
this,
and
it's
certainly
not
the
first
time.
I've
said
something
similar
a
lot
of
concerns
about
vulnerable
election
machines.
B
The
paper
valves
hardly
allow
any
kind
of
it.
Just
closes
a
lot
of
gaps
with
a
lot
of
questions,
but
the
only
reason
the
paper
ballots,
close
a
lot
of
gaps
with
questions
is
when
we
use
them,
and
this
risk
limiting
audit
is
obviously
very
extremely
limited.
Use
of
the
paper
ballots
and
unfortunately
leaves
114
counties
wide
open,
knowing
they're
not
going
to
be
checked
and
that's
a
concern.
So
if
we
could
speed
along
the
process
of
actually
using
the
process
that
we're
paying
millions
of
dollars
to
upgrade
systems.
E
Thank
you.
We
I'm
going
to
draw
a
line
on
questions.
We
have
five
people
in
the
queue
and
we're
going
to
ask
those
questions
and
then
any
other
questions
we
may
get
to
the
staff
and
we'll
pass
them
to
the
border
board
or
the
secretary
of
state
for
answers.
Representative,
blanton.
S
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
think
I
want
to
thank
everybody
who
has
been
here
today.
I
spent
quite
a
bit
of
time
in
the
last
12
15
months
talking
about
elections
and
election
security
so
well.
This
is
a
something
that
I'm
very
familiar
with.
I
actually
last
year,
myself
and
a
couple
of
her
colleagues
had
the
opportunity
to
go
to
lexington
to
harp.
S
I
appreciate
that
invitation
and
we
were
able
to
actually
sit
down
and
have
a
lot
of
one-on-one
about
how
the
machines
work
about
how
the
seals
work,
and
I
think,
if,
if
the
general
public
could
see
that
they
would
feel
a
lot
more
secure
in
knowing
this,
and
I
appreciate
it.
I
would
encourage
my
colleagues
today
to
visit
with
our
vendors
here
and
talk
to
them
and
ask
questions
about
this.
S
S
S
S
Could
the
vendors
just
explain
to
the
committee
and
to
the
general
public
a
little
bit
about
the
process
when,
when
that
it's
not
an
eye,
it's
not
thumb
drive
the
little
card
that
comes
out.
How
and
what
goes
in
it
and,
what's
included
all
the
way
up
to
the
tabulating
computer
and
how
that
works.
Could
you
all
wanna,
because
I
think
in
course,
the
tabulating
computers
in
kentucky
you're
not
connected
to
the
internet
too?
Let's
make
that
point
clear.
R
Happy
to
representative
tipton
again,
my
name
is
tucker.
Oh
mel
sales
engineer
with
the
s
s
the
usb
drives
that
we
use
in
our
system
are
manufactured
by
a
company
in
the
united
states
and
they
manufacture
a
specific
model
with
a
specific
vendor
id
program
programmed
on
them
specific
to
es
they're,
the
only
usb
devices
that
would
be
recognized
by
our
any
any
machine
in
our
product,
family,
okay,
what
is
on
that?
Stick.
First
of
all,
every
single
thing
that
is
on
the
stick.
R
R
What
is
included
on
the
machine
is
the
results.
The
tabulated
results
a
cast
vote
record
for
every
single
ballot
that
was
inserted,
meaning
that
it
take
every
single
ballot.
That's
inserted
has
an
individual
tally
in
an
individual
file
just
for
that
single
ballot.
It
also
contains
a
ballot
image
which
is
a
picture,
a
digital
picture
of
the
front
and
back
of
every
single
ballot,
as
well
as
the
encrypted
audit
log,
which
is
every
single
action
taken
during
that
day
at
the
end
of
the
election,
all
of
that
is
encrypted
and
also
digitally
signed.
R
R
In
the
tabulation
computer,
so
our
system
known
as
electionware
it
knows
of
every
single
stick
every
single
encrypted
little
bundle
it
put
on
a
stick.
Those
are
all
it
tracks.
Every
single
one
of
those
sticks
when
they
come
back
on
election
night,
when
they're
physically
transported
from
a
to
b
from
pull
to
hq,
they
are
inserted
into
the
election
where
pc,
which
I'll
say
again,
is
not
connected
to
the
internet.
In
any
way,
our
system
will
recognize
only
those
devices
if
a
foreign
device
is
inserted,
it
tells
you
it
will
not.
R
It
will
not
process
it.
It
will
not
attempt
to.
If
the
same
stick
is
inserted
twice.
It
will
not
double
up
the
totals.
It
knows
what
it's
seen
in
the
past,
any
other.
Further
clarification
you
might
need
there.
I
will.
I
will
tell
you
that,
also
if
the
polls
were
not
closed
correctly,
it
doesn't
guess
what
the
final
results
well,
it
was.
It
tells
you.
The
polls
have
not
been
closed
on
this
machine.
R
P
Please
no
sir.
The
short
answer
is
the
the
answer
is
very
similar.
The
only
thing
I
would
add
is
a
couple
things
one.
There
is
redundant
memory
on
the
device
itself
that
is
separate
from
the
removable
drive.
So
if
the
removable
drive
gets
lost,
you
can
create
a
replacement
for
it.
The
system
is
smart
enough
to
know
whether
it's
looking
at
an
original
or
looking
at
a
replacement.
So
you
can't
count
an
original
and
then
count
a
replacement
also
it
won't.
P
M
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
My
question
is,
for
I
don't
know
if
it's
from
miss
sellers
or
miss
scottsfield,
but
while
they're
coming
up
to
the
table,
I'll
note
that
I've
practiced
election
law
and
I've
had
cases,
elections,
fraud,
cases
and
civil
and
criminal
courses
around
kentucky.
I've
taken
depositions
of
expert
witnesses
taking
dispositions
of
of
of
of
members
of
of
harp.
Our
elections
are
secure,
there's
things
to
improve,
but
I
believe
in
our
elections.
M
I
would
I
want
to
also
note
that,
contrary
to
what
the
my
friend
senator
southwest
constituent
said,
she
wanted,
which
was
hand
counting.
I
would
I
would
note
that,
with
in
caution,
I
would
say
that
the
best
friend
of
a
fraudster
is
hand
counting
ballots,
and
so
we
don't.
We
don't
need
to
be
hand
counting
ballots.
M
That's
that
would
be
the
worst
thing
we
could
possibly
do
out
of
all
the
election
law
ideas,
that's
the
absolute
worst,
and
so
I
would
now
there's
nothing
wrong
with
hand
counting
in
an
audit
process
but
hand.
Counting
ballots
is
the
absolute
worst
thing
and
would
be.
The
best
thing
would
be
the
dream
of
of
of
a
cheater.
M
I
do
want
to
say
one
thing
and
then
I
want
to
ask
my
question.
The
one
thing
I
want
to
say
is:
you
said
you
haven't
heard
complaints
about
precincts.
I
have
a
lot
and
I'm
very
thankful
that
bobby
hosklaw,
my
clerk
in
jefferson
county,
has
went
back
to
the
precinct
area
and
we
have
super
centers.
That's
the
way
we
ought
to
be
going
in
another
county
that
I
have
we
do
know
we
no
longer
have
precincts
and
I've
heard
a
a
lot
of
complaints
about
that,
and
so
we
want.
M
So
we
need
to
go
back
to
precincts
and
I'm
glad
bobby
holtzclaw
has
done
that
she
deserves
a
great
deal
of
credit.
Here's
my
question:
I
bought
my
house
almost
a
decade
ago.
I've
said
this.
On
the
record:
every
year
the
guy
I
bought
my
house
from
he
still
registered
to
vote
at
my
house
today,
he's
not
voting
in
my
house.
He
didn't
live
in
my
house
unless
he's
a
really
good
hider,
but
why
is
he
still
registered
at
my
house
and
when
I
go
walking
as
we
all
do?
You'll
come
up
to
a
house.
M
Senator
southworth-
and
I
were
just
talking
about
this
you'll
come
up
to
a
house
and
there'll
be
some
turner's
there
and
rodriguez.
Is
there
and
smith's
there?
They
don't
all
live
there,
and
so,
let's
use
my
example,
so
no
hypothetical
this
is
real.
10627
glen
eagle
place,
there's
somebody
who's
registered
in
my
house
that
hasn't
lived
there
in
eight
years.
So
I
need
to
know
why
and
how
long
am
I
gonna
have
to
live
with
this
electoral
interloper.
G
I
would
hope
that
after
this
next
general
election,
that
person
may
be
removed
as
part
of
our
nvra
process.
Now
one
of
the
things
that
people
we
when
I
was
at
state
board
of
elections,
I
would
get
this
question
too,
because
we
sent
out
postcards
they'd,
get
returned
or
they'd
go
to
someone's
house
a
voter
has
to
be
proactive
to
remove
themselves
or
have
a
court
action
or
something
like
that.
G
The
process
of
removing
them
without
their
quote
signature,
but
through
the
federal
approved
process,
wasn't
done
since
2009
until
recently,
so,
hopefully
those
people
that
are
getting
multiple
postcards
to
their
houses
of
people
that
may
not
or
don't
live
there
anymore.
They
will
be
removed
through
this
list.
Maintenance
process
and.
M
I
haven't
received
any
of
those
postcards,
I
should
say-
and
I'm
representing
graham
don't
listen
to
me
here-
I'm
not
too
upset
because
I
get
I
get
all
the
mails
that
say
I
don't
like
puppies
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
because
the
guy
I
bought
it
from
was
a
democrat.
So
I
get
all
their
hit
pieces
on
me.
So
I
kind
of
know
I
kind
of
know.
M
Oh,
I
don't
like
puppies
this
week,
whatever
it
is,
but
anyway,
so
so
anyway,
the
point
I
make
I'm
making
light
of
it,
but-
and
I
don't
think-
and
I
do
think
we
have
controls
in
place
to
make
sure
that
this
gentleman
doesn't
vote
even
though
no
longer
no
longer
lives
in
kentucky,
presumably,
but
it
does
open
up
the
opportunity
for
fraud
and
so
whatever
we
need
to
do
whatever
expedition
expeditious
operations
we
need.
We
need
to
do
that.
Thank.
G
You,
mr
chairman,
if
I
may
state
something
else
when
we
do
find
out,
somebody
like
a
homeowner
calls,
or
we
have
information
state
board
of
elections,
does
send
out
a
letter
to
that
voter
and
tries
to
get
them
to
remove
themselves.
If
we
have
a
new
address
for
them
where
they
may
have
moved,
that
is
it
just?
Doesn't
people
don't
mail?
I
mean
people,
don't
use
mail.
The
way
they
used
to.
I
will
say,
representative
nemes,
one
of
the
other
reasons
that
somebody
might
get
mail
at
your
address.
G
We
do
have
overseas
citizens
that
may
have
last
lived
at
your
address.
It's
not
common.
It
shouldn't
happen
that
much,
but
by
kentucky
and
federal
law,
that
person
can
still
say
they're
registered
in
kentucky
and
they
have
to
give
that
address.
So
that
doesn't
happen
all
the
time,
but
that's
one
of
them.
G
G
Center,
I
will
say:
indiana
currently
is
not
a
member
and
we
hope
we
can
encourage
them
to
join.
J
What
I
have
seen
today
is
that
our
election
process,
as
I
said
earlier,
are
secure
and
safe,
and
I
I
was
just
looking
at
mr
gantly,
your
presentation
with
harp
and
going
through
it
and
seeing
that
you
have
over
20
states
in
which
you
are
engaged
in
in
terms
of
the
process
of
voting
which,
based
on
my
mathematics
and
I
was
a
history
teacher,
not
a
math
teacher,
that's
40
of
the
states
that
your
your
organization
is
involved
in,
and
I
don't
know
about
the
other
system
e
s
and
s.
J
How
many
states,
I
think
you
all
may
have
said
it,
but
I
didn't
jot
it
down.
The
point
being
is
that
you
are
both
engaged
in
the
election
process.
J
Your
vote
is
significant.
Your
vote
helps
to
determine
who
will
lead
not
only
your
local
government,
your
county
government,
your
state
government
and,
more
importantly,
our
national
government,
so
I'm
here
to
just
say
to
all
to
both
organizations.
Companies.
Thank
you
for
what
you
do
and
thank
you
for
coming
before
us
today
to
to
verify
which
we
all
really
know
this,
that
our
election
process
is
free,
but
it's
also
secure.
So
thank
you
so
much.
G
In
the
room
I
feel
fairly
secure
in
it.
I
will
say
that
when
I
was
at
state
board
of
elections
and
we
entered
into
the
consent,
decree
part
of
the
consent
decree
is
that
we
join
eric
or
a
like
organization.
D
The
process
of
eric
or
whatever
does
it
do
any
encouraging
of
registering
to
people
to
vote.
G
It
does,
as
part
of
it,
sends
out
a
list
to
the
states
once
they
are
requested
and
it's
actually
part
of
the
membership
agreement
that
they
send
it
out
every
at
least
every
two
years,
but
they
send
out
notices
to
unregistered
but
eligible
voters.
They
did.
I
think,
a
state
board
of
elections
sent
this
first
one
out
in
2020
and
then
they'll
send
another
one
out
at
some
point,
but
it
dwindles
as
after
the
first
one
goes
off,
so
they
won't
send
it
to
the
same
people.
G
You
know,
I
think
probably-
and
this
is
me
with
conjecture-
I
think
when
eric
was
formed,
they
probably
tried
to
find
ways
to
make
both
political
parties
happy.
T
T
Was
in
office
when
eric
was
created,
trey
grayson,
former
secretary,
no,
I
was
in
office
when
eric
was
created,
and
so
the
idea
was
you
get
two
lists.
One
of
people
who
might
be
might
appear
to
be
in
your
state
but
aren't
appear
registered
people
who
are
registered,
who
don't
appear
to
be
in
your
state
and
then
the
states
have
to
do
something
with
those
lists,
and
that
was
the
states
worked
out
that
agreement
to
do
both
clean
up
the
list
and
also
expand
the
voter
franchise.
T
There's
an
executive
director
that
the
state,
the
states
have
a
board
of
directors
and
they
have
an
executive
director
and
we
can
put
you
in
contact
with
him
and
he
can
answer
any
questions
you
have
about
eric.
But
the
idea
is
you
send
a
letter
or
a
card
or
something
to
the
folks
who
might
be
eligible
to
be
registered?
They
don't
automatically
get
registered,
correct.
H
D
H
D
D
Here's
my
understanding,
you
tell
me
where
I'm
wrong
before
there
used
to
be
like
a
third
party
vendor
that
that
clerks
or
whatnot
would
send
send
the
info
out
to
go
address
the
media
and
whatnot
somebody
somewhere
screwed
it
up
on
the
tv
screen
reversed.
Like
a
matt,
bevin
situation,
I
think
it
was
and
that's
really
kind
of
what
started
the
whole
the
whole
conspiracy
thing
now.
My
understanding
is
that
those
that
information
that
was
sent
to
that
vendor
was
not
official
in
the
least.
H
Right
that
was
not
official,
and
if
I
may,
I
will
let
you
know
that
we
no
longer
contract
with
that.
G
And
the
reality
is
the
results
that
you're
seeing
on,
and
there
was
an
ap
story
today
talking
about
the
2019
governor's
race
and
saying
this
is
a
ridiculous
statement.
This
was
fat
fingered
by
hint
by
somebody
that
went
to
henderson
county
to
get
the
results
off
the
precincts
doors
that
switched
the
numbers
switched
the
numbers
it
wasn't,
somebody
got
votes
taken
away,
it
was
fat
fingering.
G
The
the
reality
is
these
news
stations,
these
media
stations,
typically
don't
get
their
information
from
the
state
board
of
elections,
election
night
reporting
site
they
get
it
because
they
have
runners
that
go
to
every
one
of
these
precincts
because
kentucky
requires
the
precinct
results
to
be
posted
on
that
door.
So
they're
not
getting
it
from
us
they're,
getting
it
from
the
doors
and
then
they're
texting
it
into
their
newsrooms
and
that's
how
they're
getting
the
results.
This
isn't
how
many
people
have
made
a
mistake
by
entering
numbers
backwards.
I
mean.
T
If
I
mean
I
know
you're
trying
in
the
meeting
center
mills,
but
I
can
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
history
of
this
election
night
system,
just
a
little
bit
yeah,
my
predecessor,
john
brown,
created
a
system
with
the
state
board
of
elections
and
it
was
actually
hand
key,
and
it
was
only
this-
the
general
assembly
basically
candidates
have
filed
in
the
secretary
of
state's
office.
You
would
in
the
county
clerks
at
each
night
when
they
were
done
hand
keyed
the
results
from
each
precinct
into
a
computer,
and
that
was
actually
fairly
inaccurate.
T
I
remember
one
night
where
a
senate
race
was
reversed,
because
there
was
a
type
of
you
might
remember,
or
was
the
state
representative
brendan
smith?
Remember
how
we
thought
he.
T
Year,
yeah
ended
up
winning.
It
was
a
typo
of
unofficial
results,
election
night,
so
in
2010
the
state
entered
into
a
contract
with
a
vendor
that
was
able
to
take
the
data
from
the
voting
systems
on
a
card
plug
it
into
another
machine,
and
then
it
got
uploaded
to
the
internet
and
that's
when
we
could
get
all
the
county
races
in
there
as
well
and
those
were
not
keyed
in
so
that
was
accurate.
But
again
it
was
generally
at
the
end
of
the
night.
T
Most
media
outlets
do
have
stringers
out
in
the
polling,
places
or
they'll
go
to
the
county
clerk's
office
because
they
can
get
the
results
quicker.
Then
what
happened
is
that
that
kind
of
that
vendor
went
out
of
business,
so
the
state
board
had
to
create
its
own.
You
had
to.
H
We
were,
we
did
not
renew
the
contract
with
that
company
and
the
state
board
of
elections
made
the
conscious
decision
for
us
to
create
our
own
election
night
reporting
system.
Just
as
our
voter
registration
system,
we
don't
have
an
outside
vendor.
So
now
we
are
our
election
night
reporting
vendor,
which
will
clearly
make
should
hopefully
make
the
public
feel
more
secure
about
our
election
that
it
it's
coming
to
us
and
we
are
reporting
it
and
I
apologize
for
the
a
little
bit
of
the
delay.
H
D
I
think
that
the
delay
is
okay,
just
let's
watch
any
false
results
because
you
seek
what
can
happen
now.
I
was
a
big
supporter
of
bevin
right
up
to
the
election
night
and
I
wrote
a
big
article
in
the
current
journal
supporting
him
like
a
week
before
the
election,
and
the
democrats
are
still
using
that
against
me
every
election
and
because
my
district
did
not
vote
for
matt,
bevin
they're,
using
that
all
the
time.
D
My
point
being,
if
I
cause
because
at
first
I
was
concerned
about
those
rumors,
and
I
can
tell
you
if
I
and
I
and
I
looked
into
it
and
I
I
went
to
many
people
and
and
discussed
it.
If
I
thought
for
a
minute
that
something
like
what
is
being
accused
of
happened,
I
wouldn't
shut
up
nobody's
known
me
to
shut
up.
I
would
be
still
yelling
about
it,
but
it.
But
I
understood
the
problem
and
it
was
just
a
matter
of
reporting
and
to.
J
D
The
things
that
are
being
said
across
the
state
happening
you'd
have
to
have
so
many
people
involved
with
that
conspiracy.
There's
no
way
you
would
keep
everybody
quiet
so,
but
I
don't
mind
the
delay,
let's
just
make
sure
they're
100
accurate
before
they're
released.
That's
just
my
opinion.
Thank
y'all
representative.
C
G
It
is
the
information
the
information
from
the
counties
is
certified
to
the
secretary
of
state
sent
to
us.
It's
faxed
to
us,
signed
by
all
of
the
county
board
of
elections,
taxed.
E
C
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
First
of
all
I
want
to
echo
representative
nemes.
I
have
great
concern
about
the
super
precincts,
and
so,
while
I
have
the
attention
of
the
clerks
and
the
board
of
elections,
I'm
going
to
say
please
don't
abuse
it.
If
you
spread
these
things
out
too
much,
it
disenfranchises
rural
voters
and
if
we
continue
to
see
a
pattern
like
that
I'll
sponsor
the
bill
myself
to
eliminate
them
and
go
back
to
the
old
way,
which
I
still
prefer.
I
I
understand
the
need,
but
please
clerks
be
very
judicious
in
the
decisions
and
board
of
elections.
Please
be
contemplative
when
you
look
at
the
the
plans
and
review
them.
Secondly,
I'm
going
to
surprise
everyone
and
agree
with
representative,
graham,
I
agree
with
him.
I
think
in
kentucky
that
our
elections
are
secure
and
safe,
and
I
think
today's
testimony
has
proven
that
now
I
can't
speak
to
other
states
where
there
have
been
widespread
allegations,
but
I
think
here
in
kentucky,
our
elections
are
very
safe
and
I've
been
in
this
body
longer
than
anyone
on
this
committee.
I
I
think
I've
been
through
a
lot
of
elections
dealt
with
a
lot
of
election
law
in
this
committee
right
from
day
one,
and
I
think
it's
good
to
ask
questions,
but
I
feel
pretty
good
about
the
state
of
our
elections
here
and
spreading
disinformation
about
the
electoral
process
is
not
good
for
our
republic.
It
depresses
voter
turnout,
just
look
at
the
georgia
runoff
elections
when
people
thought
that
their
votes
didn't
count
and
look
what
happened.
I
So,
I'm
I'm
I'm
going
to
ask
a
question.
I'd
like
both
of
the
companies
to
come
forward.
There
have
been
allegations
made
about,
and
this
gets
back
to,
representative
brasher's
question,
but
I'm
going
to
be
a
little
more
specific.
There
have
been
allegations
made
about
the
ability
of
the
machines
to
quote
unquote
switch
votes,
so
I'm
going
to
ask
both
of
you.
Is
there
any
evidence
that
any
of
our
machines
have
been
tampered
with
by
an
outside
entity?
Looking
to
change
the
results
of
kentucky
elections?.
P
E
Very
good
well,
thank
you
so
much.
I
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
effort
put
into
this
meeting.
Equipment
brought
in
folks
come
in
from
out
of
town,
and
I
thank
you
for
your
honest
input
and
first
hand
information
on
our
voting
machines.
I
would
encourage
members
to
take
a
look
at
these,
this
equipment
that
is
here
and
we'll
remind
members
that
our
next
meeting
is
actually
at
the
kentucky
state
fair
on
august,
the
25th.