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B
All
right
minutes
are
approved.
I'd
like
to
take
a
point
of
personal
privilege
and
welcome
my
court
of
appeals,
judge
an
old
friend
and
a
Teen
Court
Mentor
court
of
appeals,
judge
Larry,
Thompson,
really
one
of
our
finest
public
servants.
He
served
not
only
as
our
district
judge
in
Pike
County,
but
our
family
court
judge
for
over
20
years
and
really
I
think
set
as
a
very
high
bar
for
for
for
a
judge.
B
You
started
early
and
on
time
and
you
would
or
started
early,
if
not
always
on
time,
if
not
early,
and
sometimes
you
even
stayed
late
and
he
he
definitely
always
earned
his
pay
and
still
doing
it.
So
I
welcome,
judge
all
right
well.
First,
on
the
agenda
I'd
like
to
welcome
our
new
member
Katie
Comstock,
a
director
of
the
administrative
office
of
the
courts.
Welcome
so
I
think
with
that
being
said,
let's
see
informational
items.
B
We
have
the
follow-up
to
the
July
20th
2023
board
member
questions
in
your
packet,
as
well
as
the
amended
Capital
plans.
If
you'd
like
to
review
those
items
and
I
guess
we
can
begin
with
the
I
guess.
First
on
the
agenda.
Is
the
post-secondary
capital
project
review
for
the
Council
on
post-secondary
education?
If
you'd
like
to
approach
and
please
identify
yourselves.
C
Information
concerning
the
drivers
of
facilities
need
for
the
post-secondary
education
system
he's
also
going
to
share
some
Trend
data
on
asset
preservation,
need
and
state
investment
over
the
past
10
to
12
years
to
address
that
need
I'm,
going
to
follow
him
and
provide
some
information
about
the
council's
final
budget
recommendation.
I
will
say
it's
very
much
still
a
draft
at
this
point.
We
need
to
finalize
that
recommendation
with
campus
presidents
and
cbos,
and
then
it
has
to
be
approved
by
our
Council
and
you'll
see
a
little
bit
more
about
that
process
in
a
moment.
C
But
we
are
going
to
provide
you
with
some
information
regarding
funding
components
and
request
amounts
that
we
know
about
to
this
point
in
time.
This
board
asks
CPE
to
identify
the
highest
priority
capital
projects
for
the
system,
for
the
upcoming
biennium
and
as
you'll
see
asset
preservation.
Projects
are
the
highest
priority
for
the
system
and
then,
lastly,
dual
is
going
to
provide
some
information
about
Information
Technology
projects.
C
D
Historically,
growth
in
enrollment
and
in
research
have
driven
the
need
for
facilities
in
in
the
Commonwealth
you
can
see
in
1999,
there
were
about
25
000
full-time
equivalent
students
at
kctcs.
That
number
today
is
upwards
of
forty
thousand.
There
were
60
63
percent
increase,
likewise
undergraduate
full-time
equivalent
students,
71
800
and
1999,
and
that's
grown
about
eight
percent
in
in
the
last
22
years.
Graduate
students
at
our
public
institutions
have
grown
about
50
percent
over
that
period
and
then
you'll
see
on
this
slide.
D
Extramural
research
at
the
University
of
Kentucky
University
of
Louisville
has
grown
from
124
million
in
1999
to
over
430
to
437
million
in
2021
phenomenal
phenomenal
growth.
Over
the
last
six
years,
enrollment
growth
has
slowed
with
most
institutions
experiencing
a
decrease
in
enrollment
campus
Capital
plans
do
reflect
the
need
to
maintain
and
modernize
existing
space
and
infrastructure.
D
D
And
so
here's
a
look
at
at
the
capital
investment
over
the
last
12
years.
You
can
see
that
over
this
period,
the
the
investment
has
been
as
the
vfa
study
recommended
has
been
fairly
balanced
between
new
construction
and
asset
preservation,
and
so
that's
a
very,
very
positive
thing:
the
the
period
1998-2000
to
2010
2012.
That
was
not
necessarily
the
case.
C
C
Okay,
go
ahead.
The
next
slide
Sean
for
the
next
several
slides
I'm,
going
to
provide
board
members,
an
update
on
where
we
are
in
terms
of
the
2024-26
capital
request.
I
thought
it
might
be
helpful
at
the
outset
to
answer
the
question:
how
does
the
Council
on
post-secondary
education
develop
its
biennial
budget
recommendation
and
I?
Think
most
of
you
know
this,
but
it's
a
very
collaborative
process
involving
not
only
CPE
staff
but
campus
presidents,
Chief
budget
officers
and
council
members
me
and
my
staff
work
directly
with
campus
cheap
budget
officers.
C
President
Aaron
Thompson
works
with
the
presidents
and
our
council
members
and
we
try
to
put
together
what
we
refer
to
it
as
a
consensus,
biennial
budget
recommendation
with
with
everybody
in
agreement
on
the
funding
components
and
the
request
amounts.
As
you
can
see
in
that
timeline,
it's
about
a
five
or
six
month
process.
We
started
this
past
May,
looking
at
budget
components
and
funding
amounts
from
a
previous
biennium.
C
We
discussed
the
timeline
which
was
going
to
be
accelerated
for
this
biennial
budget
submission
and
then
also
tried
to
identify
key
resource
key
resource
needs
in
June
and
July.
We
did
pretty
much
the
the
same
things
both
of
those
months.
We
discussed
budget
components,
request
amounts
and
kept
council
members
in
the
loop
right
now
in
August.
We're
finalizing
the
request
based
on
input
from
the
presidents
and
as
I
said.
Nothing
is
final.
C
Yet
until
our
Council
takes
action
and
as
you
can
see
in
September
on-
and
we
don't
have
the
date
there,
but
on
September
11th,
our
finance
committee
is
going
to
meet
and
endorse
the
request
and
then
on.
September
19th
is
when
our
Council
officially
approves
the
buying
of
budget
recommendation
for
2024-26
that
last
small
Bullet
to
the
far
right.
October
1st
is
the
deadline
for
submission
of
that
budget.
Recommendation
to
osbd
and
lrc
staff.
C
C
You
can
see
that
as
of
right
now,
CPE
staff
and
the
presidents
do
not
anticipate
including
a
request
for
new
construction
in
the
council's
binary
budget
recommendation.
Nor
do
we
anticipate
including
a
request
for
information
technology
and
equipment
in
terms
of
the
asset
preservation
request,
we're
asking
for
the
same
amount
of
funding
allocated
in
the
same
way
as
the
funding
for
asset
preservation
in
the
current
biennium,
which
is
700
million
in
total
350
million
each
year
of
the
biennium,
and
then
we've
got
a
new
funding
component.
C
There,
construction
cost
increases
162.4
million
all
in
the
first
year
of
the
biennium
and,
as
you
can
see
in
the
footnote,
there
that's
based
on
the
estimated
increase
in
construction
cost
on
individual
capital
projects
authorized
for
the
current
biennium.
That's
20224
and
you'll
see
that
in
detail
in
a
minute
and
that
162.4
million
represents
20
percent
of
almost
812
million
dollars
in
bond
funds
authorized
for
new
construction
projects
in
the
current
biennium.
C
So
just
quickly
I'm
going
to
go
through
each
one
of
those
components
in
terms
of
new
construction.
I've
already
said
that
CPE
staff
is
not
planning
to
include
a
request
for
new
construction
in
the
buy
annual
budget
recommendation,
but
similar
to
what
we've
done.
The
past
two
bienniums
campus
officials
will
be
free
to
propose
funding
for
new
projects,
to
policy
makers
and
advocate
for
that
new
and
expanded
space
outside
of
the
council's
budget
recommendation.
C
C
We're
looking
at
that
7.3
billion
dollar
asset
preservation
need
and
we're
only
13
percent
of
the
way
there.
You
know
primarily
because
of
the
700
million
that
the
general
assembly
appropriated
for
the
current
biennium.
Thank
you
very
much
on
behalf
of
CPE
staff
and
the
institutions
for
that
current
biennium
appropriation,
but
we
need
several
more
installments
like
that.
C
Next
slide,
Sean
in
terms
of
the
construction
cost
increases
request.
As
I
said
a
moment
ago,
it's
162.4
million
dollars
in
bond
funds
and
those
dollars
will
help
the
institutions
offset
cost
increases
on
individual
capital
projects
authorized
in
the
current
biennium
just
to
provide
you
with
some
statistics.
C
According
to
Caldwell
Caldwell
Banker
construction
costs
have
increased
by
11.5
percent
in
2021
4.1
percent
in
2022
and
their
expected
increase
by
5.4
percent
in
2023..
So
that's
a
31
percent
increase
over
a
three-year
time
period
and
in
the
report
where
they
were
making
that
projection
for
2023.
They
said
that
these
are
unprecedented
increases
in
construction
cost
not
seen
since
the
1970s.
So
it's
it's.
It's
highly
unusual
to
have
construction
costs.
C
If
These
funds
are
authorized.
Institutions
will
be
able
to
maintain
the
original
scope
of
those
projects
that
were
approved
by
the
general
assembly
for
2022
2024.
In
other
words,
they
will
not
have
to
scale
back
on
the
scope
or
phase
in
those
projects.
Over
multiple
biennium
next
slide
Sean
in
terms
of
how
those
funds
would
be
allocated.
C
B
C
Well,
obviously,
the
institutions
that
have
a
larger
facilities
footprint
in
terms
of
their
Eng
space
would
have
a
larger
need
and,
and
UK
is
one
of
those
institutions
among
the
comprehensive
institutions.
Murray
State
University
has
proportionately
more
square
footage
than
some
of
the
other
comprehensives
on
a
per
FTE
basis,
so
it
is
heavily
skewed
toward
the
two
research
institutions
and
then
you
know,
of
course
you
know.
Different
comprehensive
institutions
have
different
proportions
of
that
square.
Footage,
but
you'll
see
that
in
just
a
moment:
okay,
yeah,
that's
on
an
upcoming
slide.
C
I
guess
I
could
started
there,
but
anyway,
so
in
terms
of
asset
preservation,
we
are
requesting
700
million
to
finance
renovation
and
renewal
projects
in
the
upcoming
biennium.
If
those
funds
are
authorized,
that
would
be
the
second
installment
of
700
million.
To
address
that
7.3
billion
dollar
system
total
need.
C
We're
doing
something
a
little
different
for
this
upcoming
biennium
CPE
staff
is
recommending
that
the
asset
preservation
pool
funding
be
provided
without
any
required
institutional
match.
That's
something
that's
different
from
what
we've
done
the
past
two
or
three
bienniums
and
I'll,
give
you
an
example.
C
That
was
in
recognition
that
a
number
of
the
institutions
were
telling
not
only
the
state
budget
director
and
the
governor,
but
members
of
the
general
assembly
CPE
is
you
know,
being
too
restrictive
here,
requiring
that
50
match
a
number
of
our
comprehensive
institutions
were
saying
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
to
meet
that
level
of
match,
and
so
rightfully
so
the
governor's
budget
reduced.
What
we
had
recommended
down
to
that
30
percent
level
in
the
15
level,
for
the
research
institutions
and
the
comps
and
kctcs
respectively?
B
C
C
94
percent
of
those
funds
are
restricted,
and
so,
when
a
donor
gives
those
dollars
to
the
university
and
they're
endowed
for
a
specific
purpose
like
a
scholarship
fund
or
to
support
an
endowed
chair,
you
know
the
proceeds
from
that
endowment
can
only
be
used
for
that
purpose.
They
can't
be
used
as
a
match
for
asset
preservation,
funding
and
CPE
staff.
C
We
we
had
some
discussion
internally
about
well,
do
we
want
to
say
a
15
match
for
UK
and
uofl
and
zero
percent
match
for
all
of
the
other
institutions
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
through
discussions
with
campus
cbos
and
presidents,
my
president
and
you
know,
with
support
from
the
finance
unit
staff
Ed.
It
would
be
the
most
fair
to
every
institution
to
suggest
no
match
for
the
upcoming
biennium.
C
Obviously,
the
state
budget
director
and
the
governor
and
the
members
of
the
general
assembly
can
can
choose
to
go
a
different
route,
but
that's
what
CPE
staff
is,
at
least
at
this
point,
because
you
know
we
have
to
finalize
this
budget
request
with
the
cbos
and
the
presidents
and
our
Council
has
to
vote
on
it.
But
right
now
everyone
is
advocating
that
there
not
be
a
required
institutional
match
for
the
upcoming
biennium.
F
You
thank
you
Mr
chairman,
a
couple
things
Sean
on
one
of
the
things.
If
you
all
could
follow
up
with
on
the
the
959
million
you
mentioned
since
2014
on
asset
preservation,
if
you
could
add
what
the
match
value
was
to
that,
because
there
were
match
requirements
associated
with
each
of
those
Appropriations,
so
the
13
is
actually
a
higher
number
because
of
the
contributions.
C
A
C
F
And
the
other
is
a
comment
kind
of
riding
on
Senator
Wheeler's
comments.
You
know
some
of
the
institutions
have
put
in
place
a
fee
on
students.
You
know
kind
of
directed
toward
deferred
maintenance,
for
example.
So
so
there
are
some
there
are
and,
and
most
institutions
have
in
their
budgeting
process,
some
value
of
their
own
institutional
funds
for
deferred
maintenance
projects
right,
whether
we
added
any
state
funds
or
not
right
so
so,
just
one
thought
is
the
the
zero
match
against
the
reality
that
there
are.
F
There
are
in
fact
funds
for
deferred
maintenance
and
they
will
be
used
for
deferred
maintenance.
Maybe
there
is
a
median
there
to
consider
it
maybe
doesn't
have
to
be
uniform
in
terms
of
a
value
or
a
percentage,
but
but
it's
a
recognition
of
of
the
of
the
both
the
budgeting
practices
and
the
and
the
strategies
of
of
the
institutions.
They
teach
you
to
vote
they're,
some
of
their
funds
to
to
deferred
maintenance,
and
so
so
you
know
it
I
think
it's
a
one.
It's
it's!
F
C
Your
your
comments
are
are
well
taken
and
I
will
say
that
that
asset
preservation
fee
that
the
council
adopted
it
allowed
institutions
to
go
above
the
tuition
and
fee
caps,
and
it
was
specified
in
those
guidelines
that
the
proceeds
from
those
asset
preservations
fees
could
be
used
for
an
Institutional
match.
So
thank
you
for
reminding
this
board
of
that
next
slide.
Sean.
C
In
that
First
Column
of
numbers,
you
can
see
the
2021-22
category
1
and
Category
2
Eng
square
feet.
In
the
next
column.
You
can
see
the
percent
of
total
of
the
proportion
at
each
institution
and
if
the
general
assembly
were
to
authorize
700
million
dollars
into
350,
Million
Dollar
pools,
you
can
see
the
resulting
allocation
in
fiscal
years,
2024-25
and
20
25
26
on
this
page.
B
G
D
If
I'm
a
KSU
has
in
their
Capital
plan,
25
million
dollars
for
asset
preservation
at
this.
At
this
point,
the
the
plan
here
would
be
for
16.6
million
dollars.
Appropriation
for
the
upcoming
upcoming
biennium
KSU
certainly
has
a
great
need
for
asset
preservation
on
their
campus,
but
this
allocation
method
would
only
provide
16
million
dollars
in
in
state
funds
plus
whatever
match,
and
we're
recommending
zero,
but
plus
whatever
institutional
funds
that
they
would
be
able
to
put
towards
asset
preservation.
But.
G
C
Thank
you,
okay,
next
slide
Sean.
Lastly,
CPE
is
not
anticipating,
including
the
request
for
I.T
projects
or
equipment
in
the
council's
upcoming
biennial
budget
recommendation,
and
the
rationale
from
this
is
that
CPE
staff
and
the
institutions
felt
like
that.
Other
capital
investment
components
were
just
a
higher
priority
for
limited
resources.
For
this
upcoming
biennium.
D
Just
very
briefly,
on
this
side
addresses
some
of
the
comments
our
co-chair
just
made.
Cpe
staff
was
asked
to
identify
capital
projects
that
represent
the
highest
priorities
for
the
system
at
this
time.
For
the
upcoming
biennium,
the
highest
priority
is
the
second
round
of
700
million
for
asset
preservation
and,
as
as
Bill
mentioned,
our
advice
is
to
allocate
that,
based
on
each
institution's
share
of
Education
in
general,
space,
same
method
used
in
the
current
biennium.
D
And
here's
a
listing
of
the
of
the
asset
preservation
projects
that
include
general
fund
request
made
by
the
institutions
and
we
did
go
through
and
find
a
couple
of
projects
that
were
miscategorized
and
we
made
those
corrections
as
able.
But
you
can
see
it's
a
2.8
billion
dollar
list
of
projects
for
the
upcoming
biennium.
E
To
evaluate
the
information
technology
projects
at
each
of
the
universities
in
all
that
were
35
projects
submitted
by
the
eight
public
universities
and
all
of
the
projects
were
typical
projects
that
you
would
expect
from
the
universities.
They
were
either
systems,
applications
or
networking
projects.
E
E
It's
been
a
wonderful
run,
it's
been
a
great
journey,
but
the
universities
have
been
doing
a
wonderful
job
in
applying
the
resources
that
each
of
you
have
been
able
to
approve
over
the
years
and
I
have
seen
such
a
significant
growth
at
each
of
the
universities
and
such
a
wonderful
application
that
the
students
have
been
able
to
use
in
applying
these
resources
to
their
education
and
I.
Just
wish
you
could
see
the
growth
that
I
was
been
able
to
see
in
how
students
use
technology
resources
and
how
it's
changed.
E
The
learning
process
at
each
of
the
universities
I'm
sure
you've
seen
it
either
in
your
children
or
your
grandchildren,
but
when
I
first
started
working
with
technology,
it
was
a
tool,
and
now
it's
just
something
that
a
student
expects
and
it's
not
a
tool
anymore.
It's
just
a
process
that
they
apply,
that
becomes
part
of
them
growing
and
preparing
themselves
for
a
career,
and
it's
such
an
exciting
thing
that
takes
place
in
the
University
itself,
but
anyway,
back
to
the
the
goal.
Today,
each
of
the
projects
at
the
universities
were
deemed
high
value.
E
D
At
this
point,
I'd
like
to
say
that
there
may
have
been
a
mistake
in
the
capital
planning
system-
probably
user
error-
that
indicated
a
three
million
dollar
project
for
the
upcoming
biennium
for
CPE
I
I
will
go
in
into
the
system
and
correct
that
mistake.
We
did
not
have
any
projects
for
the
upcoming
biennium
or
the
upcoming
six-year
period.
At
CPE,
we
had
several
smaller
projects
that
we
plan
to
move
forward
with
some
of
our
agency
resources
and
and
some
of
our
operating
resources
as
you
as
you
may,
not.
D
E
One
of
the
projects
that
you
were
able
to
fund
was
an
upgrade
to
our
Statewide
higher
education
Network.
We
historically
have
had
two
higher
education
networks,
one
that
supported
the
community
colleges.
It
was
a
one
gig
Network.
Both
of
these
networks
were
networks
that
Windstream
we
leased
networks
from
Windstream.
The
other
one
was
the
public
network
that
was
a
10,
gig
Network
and
might
I
say
we
have
just,
and
we
are
in
the
process,
we're
almost
completed.
Upgrading
these
networks
to
the
Kentucky
wired,
Network
infrastructure.
E
Historically,
we've
had
one
access
point
to
that
Network,
and
now
we
have
two.
What
this
means
is.
We
have
a
significant
increase
in
the
robustness
of
the
network
because
of
the
infrastructure
both
into
the
Kentucky
wired
Network.
We
have
tremendous
redundancy
and
because
we
have
two
access
points
and
because
of
everything,
that's
happening
in
the
world
of
technology
and
especially,
if
you
think
about
what's
happening
today
with
generative
artificial
intelligence
and
how
that's
transforming
Health
Care
and
how
that's
transforming
the
business
world
and
when
you
stop
to
think
how
that's
going
to
transform
higher
education.
E
C
G
Do
it
in
higher
education?
Well,
I
certainly
want
you
to
enjoy
your
retirement,
and-
and
thank
you
for
that-
thank
you
very
much
and
the
question
that
I
have
is
actually
I.
Think
you
addressed
this
and
it
was
on
the
previous
Slide,
the
22
slide
22
and
you
talked
about,
but
most
proposed
the
use
of
institutional
resources.
Can
you
just
elaborate
on
that?
What
is
what
is
institutional
resources
mean
I.
E
The
university
itself
collects
fund
balances
across
the
university
and
they
possibly
want
to
upgrade
a
campus-wide
network
or
possibly,
maybe
want
to
put
in
a
new
learning
management
system,
so
they'll
collect
the
funds
and
instead
of
asking
the
general
the
legislature
for
the
money
to
put
in
maybe
a
three
million
dollar
system
them.
They'll
collect
the
funds
from
across
the
university
in
a
fund,
balanced
method
and
then
apply
it
to
using
agency
funds
at
the
University,
apply
it
to
that
system.
Instead
of
coming
to
the
legislature
for
funds.
G
B
H
My
first
question
I'm
on
slide
number
18..
It
says
that
your
report
has
99
asset
preservation
projects,
which
is
the
2.8
billion
dollars
worth
of
projects.
Although
the
institutions
submitted
a
total
of
6.9
billion
in
projects
in
earlier,
as
well
as
last
year
and
I'm,
not
sure
for
how
long
we've
been
talking
about
this
seven
billion,
7.3
billion
dollar
scope
of
renovations,
I
know,
7.3
is
an
old
number
and
I
know:
we've
had
Mass
inflation,
so
I
don't
think
it's
even
relevant
to
bring
up,
but
now
we're
talking
about
6.9.
C
What
was
the
amount
of
institutional
resources
that
were
used
to
match
the
state
funding
and
he
made
the
point
rightfully
so
that
you
take?
You
know
that
815
million
and
add
it
to
the
was
it
959
million
Sean
added
to
the
959
that
was
contributed
by
the
state
and
that
is
used
to
address
that
7.3
billion
dollar
number.
We
just
keep
using
the
7.3,
because
that
was
the
starting
point
for
trying
to
address
that
need
and
you're
absolutely
correct.
C
With
increases
in
construction
costs,
especially,
you
know,
topping
potentially
30
percent
over
a
three-year
period
that
7.3
billion
dollar
number
has
gone
way
up.
That
was
projected
to
be
in
2021-22
and
so
we're
two
years
behind
that
now
with
additional
increases
in
construction
costs.
But
we
can
provide
you
with
an
updated
number
with.
We
would
have
to
get
vfa
to
come
in
and
do
an
update
for
us
and
I'm
not
sure
what
that
would
end
up
costing
the
council.
C
It's
it's
it's
not
inexpensive,
but
at
any
rate
we
we
would
need
for
them
to
come
in
and
provide
an
update
to
their
cost
projections.
And
then
we
would
have
to
use
the
calculations
that
state
budget
director
Hicks
was
talking
about
and
then
back
out,
institution
contributions
and
state
funding
over
the
past
10
to
12
years.
To
get
to
that
exact
number.
D
But
by
their
nature
they
they
might
have
to
do
this
one
and
that
one
and
the
other
one
and
this
one
over
here
and
that
one
too
they
just
don't
know
if
they
are
able
to
address
it.
This
biennium
or
next.
And
so
that's
you're,
always
going
to
have
a
larger
total
than
than
you
would
reasonably
able
to
be
able
to
accomplish.
And.
H
H
We
talked
about
with
us
universities
last
month
and
this
happens
all
the
time,
but
one
in
particular
said
well.
We
were
looking
at
renovating,
but
now
we've
decided
maybe
we're
going
to
just
rip
it
all
down.
Do
a
new
construction,
and
you
know
the
obvious
question
is
while
this
whole
thing
is
being
ripped
down
in
new
construction,
that's
a
large
time
frame.
So
obviously
it's
not
being
used
at
all
during
that
time
frame.
H
H
Loans
really
don't
seem
like
the
best
approach
to
me
and
the
reason
we
were
able
to
get
such
a
large
number
of
dollars
compared
to
previous
years.
Because,
previous
years
we
actually
used
some
of
the
money
we
actually
had
and
last
year
it
was
100
bond
funds.
Now,
that's
not
necessarily
y'all's
fault,
because
we're
the
ones
that
do
it
and
I
think
we
should
have
paid
for
what
we
can
afford.
Not
just
promise
the
stars
and
say:
next
year
you
want
700
more
million.
H
We
don't
have
more
bonds
constantly
to
just
keep
doing
and
doing
doing
forever.
If
we
actually
had
the
money
it'd
be
different.
So
how
do
you
and
now
we're
talking
about
universities,
maybe
not
having
additional
match
funds,
or
at
least
we're
not
counting
how
many
match
funds
they
really
have
in
their
own
budgets?
How
do
you
have?
Does
your
budget
process
look
at
the
health
of
the
system
as
a
whole
and
paying
cash
amounts
from
agencies
versus
how
many
bond
funds
you
have
how
much
debt
service
can
they
afford?
H
Because
the
debt
service
is
TBD
on
one
of
these
slides
I?
Don't
whichever
one
I
saw
it
on?
That's
a
concern.
If
we
don't
know
what
the
debt
service
amount
is,
so
were
you
all
paying
The
Debt
Service
on
the
700
million
and
the
universities
have
that
in
their
budget
they
don't
have
a
match
funds
in
their
budget
or
how
is
that
all
going
to
work.
C
But
to
answer
your
question
about
how
the
bond
funds
were
paid
for
in
the
current
biennium
that
Debt
Service
shows
up
in
the
regular
appropriation
of
the
institutions
in
the
first
biennium
that
those
bond
funds
are
authorized,
but
then
those
that
those
Debt
Service
payments
are
transferred
to
the
finance
cabinet,
so
they're
no
longer
housed
at
the
University
level.
But
the
state
pays
The
Debt
Service
on
those
you
know
state-funded
portion
of
those
bonds.
C
At
this
point,
as
you
may
know,
I
mean
mortgage
rates
are
up
seven
and
a
half
percent
or
higher.
Now,
and
so
this
is
not
an
opportune
time
for
the
institutions
to
be
thinking
about
issuing
agency
bonds
to
meet
those
those
matching
requirements,
but
but
our
job
as
a
council
is
to
identify
resource
needs.
We
have
an
unbelievable
amount
of
Need
for
asset
preservation
funding
and
we
want
to
communicate
that
to
this
board
and
other
members
of
the
general
assembly
into
the
state
budget,
director
and
the
governor.
C
I
I
would
just
like
to
ask:
is
this
funding
going
to
make
or
break
whether
or
not
additional
colleges
are
added
into
the
Kentucky
wired
Network?
For
example,
I
think
there
were
nine
of
the
community
colleges
that
were
added
I,
don't
know
if
any
have
been
added
since,
but
will
they
be
able
to
be
added
to
the
Kentucky
wired
fund
without
all.
G
You
I'm
thinking
about
along
the
same
lines
of
the
I.T
projects
and
I,
don't
think
I've
ever
seen
a
budget
that
didn't
request
I.T
money,
especially
considering
that
we
know
the
life
expectancy
of
equipment
and
the
how
quickly
it
becomes
obsolesced
and
I
was
thinking
about
the
same
thing
when
we
talked
about
the
KSU
and
how
there
was
some
duplication
of
money.
So
is
there
any
duplication
of
money
or
any
other
place
within
our
budget
that
those
I.T
funds
would
be
requested
and
I'm?
G
G
B
E
A
C
J
The
first
one
is
owsley
County,
a
new
building,
a
new
courthouse
for
the
owlsley
county
in
the
capital
plan.
It's
a
20,
000
square
foot,
building
for
28
million
dollars
and
the
way
that
the
way
it
works
for
projects
for
counties
they
bond,
the
general
assembly
authorized
the
project
and
then
the
funding
for
The
Debt
Service
that
we,
the
AOC
pays,
is
deferred
until
the
next
biennium.
J
K
K
So
on
that
list,
osley
county
is
the
lowest
scored
or
the
highest
ranked
meaning
it
has
a
critical
need
for
a
court
project.
It
was
ranked
at
31.97,
which
means
it
critically
needs
a
project.
It
has
poor
Plumbing
Systems,
the
HVAC
is
in
poor
condition.
Electrical
systems
are
in
poor
conditions.
Security
is
a
major
concern.
K
There's
a
lack
of
ADA
compliance,
there's
inadequate
courtrooms,
inadequate
judges,
Chambers
there
is
no
prisoner
handling
facilities.
The
Statewide
Services
offices
are
inadequate,
the
interior
was
determined
to
be
in
poor
condition
and
the
roof
was
determined
to
be
in
poor
condition.
So
we
are
requesting
a
project
for
owlsley
County
this
year.
J
The
second
project
is
a
court
of
appeals
building,
and
this
is
this
differs
from
from
the
ousley
county
project,
where
the
the
county
bonds,
the
funds
where
the
court
of
appeals
building
we're
asking
for
14.1
million
dollars
and
that
would
need
to
be
general
fund
cash
or
bonded
out
of
the
general
fund,
because
so
it's
a
20,
000
square
foot,
building
and
AOC
owns
some
land.
So
we
already
have
the
land
that
the
building
could
go
on
is
in
front
of
the
current
AOC
building.
J
So
there
would
be
no
land
acquisition
needed,
but
there
was
issues
with
we've.
Pro
we've
been
been
in
a
private
sector
release
for
the
Court
of
Appeals
for
30
plus
years
since
1994.,
so
it's
almost
30
years
so
and
it's
the
current
landlord
is
in
such
bad
condition
and
enough
Jenny
can
speak
to
what
condition
it
is
in.
But
it's
in
such
bad
condition
that
was
imperative
to
move
the
court
of
appeals
for
health
and
safety
reasons.
K
Since
anybody
else
know
how
to
pronounce
this,
and
we
were
advised
to
prohibit
access
to
certain
areas
of
the
building
and
I
was
talking
to
judge
Thompson
who's
with
us,
as
Senator
wheeler
mentioned
a
little
while
ago,
and
right
after
he
was
elected.
As
chief
judge
of
the
court
of
appeals,
the
very
next
day,
I
believe
his
office
was
one
of
the
ones
that
was
marked
off
with
caution
tape.
You
can't
enter
as
well
as
for
additional
offices
in
the
building,
so
we
have
activated
our
emergency
leasing
provisions
and
we
have
moved
them
out.
K
We're
moving
them
out
this
week
into
a
temporary
facility
with
a
temporary
fit
up
that
lease
is
at
a
cost
of
377
thousand
dollars
annually.
So
we
are
requesting
General
funds
to
construct
a
new
court
of
appeals
building
and
the
building
would
house
not
only
the
courtroom
for
the
court
of
appeals,
but
also
Clerk's
offices.
Staff
attorneys,
shared
judicial
space
conference
space
in
in
the
courtroom.
H
H
That
very
nice,
and
so
as
I'm
looking
at
this,
the
court
of
appeals
building
is
14
million
dollars
for
20
000
square
foot
building
and
the
owsley
county
building
is
28
million
dollars
double
for
24
000
square
foot
building.
Can
you
explain
why
owsley
County
has
double
the
cost
of
Frankfurt
and
why
Isley
county
is
getting
24
000
square
feet
absolutely.
K
So,
first
of
all,
when
you're
constructing
a
court
facility,
there
are
a
lot
of
it's
a
very
complicated
building
that
are
in
our
counties.
We
have
circulation
Pathways.
So
when
you're
designing
construction,
constructing
you
have
to
keep
the
public
separate
from
the
prisoners
separate
from
you
know
the
judges
and
staff,
so
we've
got
circulation.
Pathways
we've
got
high-end
finishes
in
those
buildings,
because
you've
got
the
public
that
are
accessing
the
building
to
be
in
front
of
the
court,
so
we've
got
multiple
courtrooms,
multiple
benches.
K
The
wood
in
those
buildings
is
one
of
the
most
expensive
components
of
the
building
lots
of
security
concerns.
When
we're
dealing
with
the
court
of
appeals
building,
this
is
really
more
of
an
office
building.
Aside
from
the
actual
one
courtroom
that
it's
going
to
house,
it's
an
office
building,
so
the
finishes
are
a
low
level,
lower
level
finish
and
less
expensive.
H
K
J
H
H
Okay,
so
to
clarify,
then-
and
thank
you
for
that
clarification
to
clarify
I'm
still
unclear
on
I-
mean
I
know
that
construction
costs
have
gone
up,
but
are
we
the
24
000
square
feet
is
in
the
past?
Other
projects
have
said
this
is
accounting
for
growth
and
all
that
and
I'm
not
sure
that
growth
is
necessarily
in
the
projections
for
owsley
County.
K
We
have
actually
changed
our
facilities.
Standards
based
on
some
of
the
projects
that
were
authorized,
I
want
to
say
in
2008
that
there
was
a
lot
of
criticism
that
the
projects
were
too
large
for
some
of
the
counties
that
they
were
put
in,
and
we've
recently
changed
the
construction
standards
so
that
we
can
share
space
more
effectively
within
the
judicial
centers
and
so
that
we're
not
projecting
for
more
courtrooms
than
what
we
need.
So
the
standards,
the
square
footage
is
actually
smaller
in
some
of
these
buildings
and
owsley
county
is
one
of
our
smaller
buildings.
H
B
B
I
I
and
I'm
a
practicing
attorney
and
clearly
our
judicial
system
is
a
co-equal
branch
of
government
and
and
I
highly
respect
it
as
a
participant
and
I
greatly
respect
our
judges
and
and
court
of
appeals,
judges
and
appellate
officers
and
Court
officers
that
really
go
into
making
that
system
work
and,
and
it
does
work,
sometimes
the
wheels
don't
go
as
fast
as
what
we
hope.
But
you
know
I,
don't
know
of
any
other
system
in
the
world.
B
That
is
more
fair,
that
reaches
better
decisions
than
the
American
justice
system.
So
clearly
the
court
of
appeals,
I've
I've,
actually
dealt
with
some
sick
building
syndrome.
Cases
before
my
career,
it's
real
I
mean
I
saw
a
gentleman
in
his
20s
that
was
in
a
Malden
festive
building
that
suffered
a
permanent
injury.
Where
I
mean
he
had
a
40
impairment,
and
that
was
the
insurance
company's
doctor.
So
clearly
we
want
to
take
care.
B
B
B
Okay,
because
I
I
know
Pike
counties
I
think
is
I
want
to
think
it's
about
60,
000
square
feet
and
I
know
when
it
was
built
and
about
10
years
ago
it
was
I
think
it
was
maybe
around
30
million.
The
judge
would
probably
know
no
better
than
I
so
I
mean
that
is
amazing.
How
much
that's
almost
a
300
percent
increase
in
in
costs.
That's
flabbergasting.
Frankly,
it.
B
L
Good
afternoon
I'm
Katie
Smith
I'm,
the
deputy
secretary
at
the
cabinet
for
economic
development.
Thank
you
for
giving
us
the
opportunity
today
to
present
our
Capital
plan,
request
to
you
before
I
get
into
our
plan
request.
I
want
to
just
update
you
a
little
bit
about
what
our
cabinet
is.
What
we
do,
Who
We
Are
our
cabinet
is
its
mission,
is
to
build
a
better
Kentucky
and
to
do
that,
we
work
with
companies
to
try
to
provide
good
paying
jobs
for
the
citizens
of
the
Commonwealth.
But
a
stable
job
is
just
the
beginning.
L
We
want
to
build
a
safe
place
for
them
to
live
and
a
community
that
they
can
call
home
that
allows
them
to
do
bigger.
Do
bigger
things,
provide
opportunities,
dream
and
help
grow,
more
opportunities
for
the
future
kentuckians
and
citizens
of
the
Commonwealth.
Our
cabinet
is
the
primary
contact
for
businesses
when
they
locate
and
while
they're
operating
here
in
the
Kentucky.
L
We
also
work
as
a
super
collaborator
with
the
companies
with
Consultants,
with
local
Regional
and
economic
development
organizations,
along
with
utility
companies,
colleges
and
universities,
all
parties
that
are
involved
in
Economic
Development,
and
we
work
together
as
professionals
with
a
spirit
of
winning
with
Integrity.
We
all
have
shared
responsibilities
and
shared
opportunities
to
help
grow
the
Commonwealth's
economy.
L
Past
two
years,
21-22
we've
had
some
record-breaking
momentum.
We've
had
the
highest
jobs
and
Investments
announced
for
a
two-year
period.
We
had
over
34
000
jobs
announced
with
21.7
billion
dollars,
investment
and
we're
happy
to
also
report.
In
2022
we
had
the
second
highest
average
reported
hourly
wage
of
26.78.
L
L
Additionally,
we
have
incentive
programs
and
incentive
programs
are
needed
to
stay
in
the
game
in
the
competition
for
these
projects,
because
all
other
50
states
do
have
incentive
programs
and
we
have
to
compete,
and
we
truly
utilize
our
incentive
programs
to
try
to
show
and
offer
a
lower
cost
of
doing
business
here
in
the
Commonwealth
to
date.
As
of
now,
we
have
11
active
tax
incentive
programs
and
eight
active
cash
incentive
programs.
All
of
our
incentive
programs
are
Performance
Based
so
and
currently
we
have
over
1100
projects
that
are
being
monitored
for
compliance.
L
L
I
also
want
to
point
out
that,
under
our
Economic
Development
Fund
program,
we
ran
a
pilot
product
development,
Initiative
Program
from
2019
to
2022
the
similar
infrastructure
improvements
for
communities.
We
approved
20
projects
that
for
infrastructure
improvements,
totaling
36
points,
six
million
dollars.
Our
assistance
was
6.4
million
dollars,
and
today
we're
happy
to
report
that
companies
have
announced
projects
at
10
of
those
locations
with
an
estimated
investment
of
over
4
billion
dollars
and
the
creation
of
over
3
500
jobs.
L
So
now,
in
to
our
Capital
plan
request,
our
plan
request
is
to
increase
the
funds
that
we
have
for
three
of
our
cash
programs
that
we
use
for
our
incentive
programs.
They
are
our
Kentucky
Economic,
Development,
Finance,
Authority,
Grant
and
Loan
program,
as
well
as
our
high-tech
construction
and
investment
pool
programs
and
our
Economic
Development
Fund
program
that
I've
previously
mentioned
under
these
programs.
Projects
are
awarded
as
funding
is
either
a
forgivable
loan,
a
grant
or
a
regular
loan.
And
again
all
product
programs
are
Performance
Based.
We
have
job
requirements,
wage
requirements
and
investment
requirements.
L
How
the
process
works
is
we
have
project
managers
that
work
with
potential
projects
to
see
if
they're
eligible
they'll
do
their
due
diligence
and
see
if
it's
a
company
that
is
eligible
for
the
program
is,
if
somebody
is
the
right
fit
for
Kentucky
they'll
go
through
an
application
process
under
all
three
of
the
programs,
we'll
negotiate
a
potential
incentive
and
will
also
negotiate
those
job,
job
wage
and
investment
requirements.
Additionally,
if
the
funds
are
upfront
disbursement
of
funds,
we
will
also
negotiate
collateral
requirements
for
those
loans
prior
to
approval.
L
Under
the
had
Tech
investment
and
construction
pool
programs.
The
all
projects
are
required
statutorily
to
be
recommended
for
approval
by
the
executive
director
of
The
Office
of
Entrepreneurship
and
Innovation
and
Under
The
Economic
Development
Fund
program
statutorily
before
requesting
approval.
They
are
required
to
be
recommended
for
approval
by
the
cabinet
for
economic
development
secretary
and
concurred
upon
by
the
secretary
of
the
finance
and
administration
cabinet,
and
then
we
can
proceed
on
through
approval.
All
projects
are
approved
by
the
Kentucky
Economic
Development
Finance
Authority.
Additionally,
under
our
Economic
Development
Fund
program,
there's
two
other
approvals.
L
Additionally,
for
the
high-tech
pool
projects
that
are
approved
over
a
million
dollars,
they're
required
to
be
reported
to
the
capital
projects
and
bond
oversight
committee
and
then,
after
approval,
all
projects
are
monitored
for
compliance
to
make
sure
that
they
meet
the
requirements
that
they've
spelled
out
in
their
incentive
agreements
for
any
incentive
agreements
that
have
an
upfront
disbursement.
If
they
fail
to
meet
the
requirements,
then
they're
required
to
pay
back
a
portion
of
the
the
grant,
as
outlined
in
the
agreement.
L
So
we
are
requesting
a
total
of
72
million
dollars
over
the
next
biennium,
which
is
24
million
dollars
for
each
program
over
over
each
of
those
three
programs
over
the
life
of
each
of
these
programs.
Many
Kentucky
companies
have
received
funding
assistance
to
either
locate
a
new
facility
or
expand
existing
operations
here
in
Kentucky,
and
the
future
of
each
of
these
programs
is
critical
to
continue
the
success
that
we've
been
having
other
states
do
have
privatized
funds.
L
We
do
want
to
point
that
out
and
large
pools
of
cash
that
are
hard
to
compete
with,
and
sometimes
we
need
to
just
be
able
to
prove
that
we
have
these
cash
funds.
These
cash
programs
available,
even
at
the
beginning
stages
to
even
be
considered
for
a
potential
project
in
Kentucky.
Additionally,
other
states
aren't
shy
and
they
will
speak
negatively
about
Kentucky
if
we
don't
have
cash
available.
L
So
we
just
asked
that
we
could
have
the
flexibility
to
work
with
these
potential
projects
to
develop
the
most
efficient
incentive
packages
necessary
to
keep
the
momentum
going,
and
it's
just
the
successes
that
we've
been
having.
We
respectfully
request
your
or
thank
you
for
your
consideration
and
we're
happy
to
take
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
H
L
We
had
15
million
dollars
perfect
per
fiscal
year,
so
a
total
of
30
million
dollars
was
included
in
the
last
budget,
so
that
was
kind
of
the
influx
that
was
available
for
the
program.
As
I
mentioned.
We
do
have
commitments
out
there,
and
so
there
were
some
there.
I
can
think
of
one
or
two
of
our
larger
commitment
projects
that
we
were
unsuccessful
with.
Unfortunately,
so
that's
what
made
those
then
funds
available
to
be
used
for
other
projects,
but
fortunately,
we've
been
able
to
utilize
some
of
those
for
some
other
programs
and
other
projects.
B
What
I
I
guess
the
criteria
are
these
set
by
the
cabinet
themselves
or
or
is
that
something
that
you
know,
because
obviously
there
was
a
private
investor
that
put
some
substantial
monies
behind
a
a
factory?
It's
got
going
pretty
well
he'd
like
to
expand,
but
he'd.
You
know
like
to
have
some
additional
access
to
Capital
to
further
his
investment.
B
L
There
is
what
we
call
a
statutory
requirement,
that's
the
but
for
requirement,
but
for
the
incentives
the
project
would
not
locate
or
expand
here
in
Kentucky.
So
that's
why,
in
all
of
our
certifications
and
applications
and
all
of
our
fact
sheets,
we
we
notify
the
projects
to
don't
make
any,
don't
start
spending
any
money.
It's
our
more
popular
incentive
program,
our
Kentucky
business
investment
program.
Don't
make
any
press
releases,
don't
start
spending
any
money,
don't
sign
any
agreements.
L
Unless
there
might
there
could
they
could
potentially
sign
it
if
we
have
maybe
some
contingency
language
and
they
share
those
agreements
with
us
to
make
sure
that
they're
that
the
contingency
language
is
correct,
but
those
are
the
statutory
requirements
that
but
for
the
incentive,
the
company
would
not
locate
here
in
Kentucky.
Well,.
B
Let
me
ask
you
this
I
mean:
is
that
somewhat
of
a
hindrance
to
your
ability
to
help
some
existing
operations
in
their
expansion?
You
know
maybe
creating
new
jobs
and
existing
facilities.
I
mean
I,
know
everybody
likes
the
shiny,
new
Penny
and
the
new
groundbreaking
and
the
new
jobs
and
the
new
company
locating
in
the
community,
but
a
lot
of
times.
We
may
have
existing
economic
infrastructure
that
are
providing
reliable
jobs
that
maybe
just
need
a
little
a
little
assistance
to
get
to
the
next
level.
B
L
Always
happy
to
look
into
things.
I
will
point
out
when,
when
we
do
work
with
companies,
if
it
is
more
of
a
small
business,
we
will
talk
to
them
about
the
small
business
tax
credit,
because
under
that
program
you
do
perform
before
you
apply,
so
they
may
be
eligible,
but
small
business
under
that
program
is
statutorily
defined
as
50
or
fewer
employees.
For
those
that
are
larger
we
might.
We
will
talk
to
them
about.
L
We
have
another
program,
it's
the
Kentucky
enter
and
Enterprise
initiative,
act,
I'm,
sorry,
I'm,
trying
to
make
sure
I
don't
use
acronyms
and
that
you
can
go
on
and
start,
but
you
you
won't
be
eligible
for
in
it's
a
sales
and
use
tax
refund
on
potential
construction,
materials
and
building
fixtures.
I.
B
L
Well,
under
that
program,
if
you've
already
spent
the
money
we
can
only
it's
only
eligible
expenses
can
be
incurred
after
you've,
you've
been
approved,
and
so,
if
you've
already
made
the
investment,
we
can't
go
back
and
give
you
an
incentive
for
an
investment.
That's
already
been
completed,
but
we
talked
to
them
and
we
work
with
them
about
all
right
before
you
do
anything
in
the
future.
Come
to
us
and
let's
work
together,
and
we
try
to
take
that
in
consideration
and
for
future
projects
with
them.
L
B
M
M
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
to
the
board
for
allowing
me
to
be
here
and
and
share
information
about
the
local
Master
participation
program
that
is
administered
by
dlg
and
I'm,
confident
that
all
the
local
communities
across
the
Commonwealth
appreciated
as
well.
I'll
start
by
saying
that
I
had
originally
planned
just
going
by
the
capital
agency
report
that
we
had
submitted
and
in
reading
a
statement,
and
then
the
more
I
thought
about
it.
M
I
thought
you
know
what
I
I
should
probably
put
a
PowerPoint
together
to
give
you
all
something
a
little
more
tangible
to
look
at,
because
this
Capital
project
is
a
little
unique
compared
to
some
of
the
other
projects
that
were
presented
on
today,
mainly
being
because
it's
it's
not
necessarily
a
project.
It's
it's
a
fund
and
if
funded,
it
results
in
many
more
projects.
M
So
the
local
match
participation
program.
It
is
defined
under
KRS,
147a
.029
and
it's
it's
very,
very
stat.
What
I
call
statutory,
driven,
straightforward
disbursement
of
funds
for
local
match
participation
program
I
might
use
the
acronym
lmpp
for
short
during
the
presentation.
But
what
exactly
is
that
it's
just
a
pot
of
money
that
is
basically
used
as
a
system
of
grants
for
local
governments
to
meet
their
non-federal
and
notice?
That's
important
non-federal
cost
share
match
requirements
for
flood
related
projects.
M
M
M
M
M
So
types
of
projects
I
won't
go
through
the
list,
but
you
kind
of
break
them
down
into
structural
and
non-structural,
actually
I
kind
of
believe
that,
just
historically
over
the
last
few
years,
the
non-structural
has
kind
of
taking
precedent.
It's
a
little
more
popular
than
than
the
structural
projects
and
I
think
that's
just
because
there's
a
lot
there's
a
lot
more
resources
that
are
going
in
to
flood
mapping,
elevation
data,
Stream
flow
gauges
and
and
basically
in
acquisition
finding
out.
Okay,
there's
a
community
in
a
in
a
flood
zone.
M
You
can't
change
the
weather.
It's
it's
going
to
rain
we're
going
to
have
storm
storm
events,
significant
storm
events,
as
you
can
tell
over
the
last
few
years.
So
maybe
the
only
option
is
to
relocate
these
residents
and
these
businesses.
Also,
if
you
notice
under
structural
you'll,
see
the
last
one
there
Disaster
Recovery
with
infrastructure
and
public
facilities.
M
M
Here's
what
you're
required
to
pay
for
from
a
non-federal
source
of
funds-
and
it's
very
specific,
an
example-
is
U.S
army
Court
of
engineer,
202
projects.
I
know
chairman
wheeler
just
stepped
out,
but
he
has
several
of
those
in
his
district.
Those
are
always
95
5
match.
Fema
typically
is
70
30.,
and
then
you
get
into
not
what
I
consider
non-traditional
match.
M
M
We
will
only
fund
up
to
50
percent
of
your
project
because,
if
we're
finding
any
more
than
that,
then
then
the
state's
losing
losing
out
we've
never
really
had
an
issue
with
that
matter
of
fact,
the
majority
of
these
projects
we
actually
bring
in
more
Federal
funding
than
what
the
state
is
putting
in
from
our
pot
of
money.
So
usually
the
return
of
investment
is
to
our
benefit.
M
Just
a
few
examples
of
the
federal
agencies
that
we
work
with.
Obviously
I've
already
said:
U.S
Army,
Corps,
Engineers,
FEMA,
USGS
nrcs
rural
development
I
also
wanted
to
to
touch
on
you.
Could
you
can
technically
go
through
a
state
agency
that
has
federally
funded
dollars
like
the
transportation
cabinet
and
a
lot
of
times,
Kentucky
Emergency
Management?
They
receive
money
through
FEMA,
so
those
funds
qualify
as
well
as
an
eligible
funding
source.
M
M
So
we
accept
these
applications
year
round
again
it
has
to
be
a
local
community
by
definition,
that
is
a
city
or
county,
but
they
can
also
submit
joint
applications,
and
then
we
have
an
application
process
with
a
resolution
by
the
community
and
we
also
require
either
one
a
commitment
letter
or
an
actual
copy
of
the
legally
binding
agreement
with
the
federal
agency.
Just
so,
we
know
that
there
is
a
legit
contract
with
that
Federal
sponsor.
M
M
I
didn't
want
to
put
all
30
projects
on
here,
but
I
I
wanted
to
add.
These
These
are
really
significant.
In
my
opinion,
these
were
projects
that
we
assisted
with
mostly
counties
city
of
paintsville's
there
on
the
bottom
and
the
numbers
on
the
left
is
what
dlg
provided
through
this
program.
The
numbers
highlighted
on
the
right
and
I
highlighted
that
just
so,
you
could
see
that's
the
Federal
funding
that
we
brought
in
by
providing
the
non-federal
funding
through
llnpp,
so
again,
I'm
kind
of
touching
on
the
majority
of
these
projects.
M
We
have
a
good
return
of
investment
because
we're
bringing
in
more
money
than
we're
putting
at
the
project-
and
this
is
I
want
to
point
this
out
and-
and
this
is
this-
is
really
important
to
these
communities.
I
know:
I
have
Boyd
Carter
Elliott,
Johnson,
Lawrence
Morgan,
you
know,
I
know
it's
my
if
I
have
any
Western
Kentucky
folks
that
looks
a
little
biased
but
part
of
the
reason.
M
Why
is
because
just
the
majority
of
of
flooding
happens
in
Eastern
Kentucky
just
due
to
the
landscape,
but
we
do
have
projects
in
in
Central
and
Western
Kentucky,
but
I
wanted
to
point
out
that
you'll
see
that
where
it
says
Dr,
4428
you'll
see
Dr,
4540
and
then
dr4595.
Those
are
just
codes
given
by
the
presidential
disaster
declaration.
M
Those
go
back,
the
4428
is
from
2019
4540
is
from
2020
and
4595
is
flood
event
in
2021.
We
didn't
even
fund
these
projects
until
fiscal
year
22.,
so
that
just
goes
to
show
when
these
things
happen.
I
mean
it
takes
a
lot.
It
takes
a
lot
of
patience,
and
you
really
have
to
some
of
the
communities
have
to
wait
this
out,
and
it
just
goes
to
show
how
long
it
takes
to
recover
or
to
access
the
funding
to
access
the
federal
funding.
M
That
is,
the
the
main
source,
the
biggest
portion
of
these
projects
and
these
communities.
You
know
they
go
years
without
being
able
to
really
fully
recover
from
these
events.
I
know
when
the
last
time
I
gave
this
presentation
was
probably
back
in
calendar
year
21
and
as
soon
as
that.
For
that
6
million
hit
I
mean
it
was.
M
It
was
obligated
and
within
the
first
six
months
of
that
of
the
following
fiscal
year,
because
these
communities
have
been
waiting
that
long
to
take
advantage
of
this
so
so
again,
FEMA
and
that
is
a
specific
match
requirement
and
I
want
and
I
do
want
to
point
that
out
as
well
a
lot
of
times
when
these
disasters
happen
and-
and
you
hear
like-
oh
great-
they
got
the
presidential
disaster
declaration.
Well,
that's
just
step
one
that
doesn't
mean
anything
that
just
means
that
they
have
access
to
these
federal
funds.
M
There's
more
steps
involved
that
sometimes
the
county
can't
afford
to
do,
and
they
get
so
frustrated.
They
just
say
the
heck
with
it,
because
they
don't
have
the
time,
money
and
resources
to
to
do
the
damage,
assessments
and
and
basically
dive
into
these
options
that
are
out
there.
And
it's
really
sad
that
you
know
so.
Don't
just
think
just
because
there's
a
presidential
disaster
declaration
that
that
takes
care
of
everything.
Eventually,
FEMA
comes
in
and
we'll
fund
as
much
as
they
can
and
then
there's
a
Time
thresh
show
where
they
say.
M
M
And
also
I
want
to
point
out:
don't
don't
be
fooled
by
like
the
the
situation?
I
know
it's
not
flood
related,
but
the
tornado
event
in
Western
Kentucky
is
something
that
significant
you
might
have
heard
like
FEMA's
funding,
a
hundred
percent
which
was
great
for
those
counties,
but
that
only
lasts
for
so
long
and
then
FEMA
will
establish
a
certain
percentage
of
when
the
counties
have
to
start
start
matching
These
funds.
M
Secondly,
I
kind
of
feel
like
the
U.S
Army
Corps
engineer,
that's
how
this
program
really
got
started
in
my
opinion,
and
it
started
with
these
U.S
Army
Corps
of
engineer
two
they're
called
202
projects.
That
probably
means
nothing
to
you
all.
It
meant
nothing
to
me
until
I
learned
more
about
it,
but
these
are
projects
and
areas.
M
M
What
administration
is
in
the
presidency,
so
yeah
there's
a
lot
of
uncontrollable
variables
that
go
into
this.
Sometimes
there's
a
lot
of
funding,
sometimes
there's
not
I
will
say.
I
do
know.
Congressman
Rogers
works
very
hard
for
his
district
to
get
as
much
funding
through
the
U.S
Army
Corps
engineer
for
these
202
projects.
Here
were
some
projects
that
that
were
funded
in
fiscal
year,
22-23
city
of
Cumberland.
You
see
they
put
146
approximately
146
000
in
there
and
got
2.7
million
back
Johnson
County.
M
They
just
started
a
202
project
they're
in
the
early
stages.
They
they
put
in
approximately
140
000
of
funding
through
lmpp
and
and
received
almost
1.8
million
back
I
do
want
to
include
these
other
202
projects
just
so.
You
know
that
there
there
are
other
202
projects,
they
didn't
get
funded
in
the
last
two
years,
but
they're
still
out
there.
They
still
exist,
they
kind
of
go
dormant
and
then
they
get
active
again.
M
But
that's
why
this
program
is
so
important
is
I,
never
know
when
the
U.S
Army
Corps
engineer
is
going
to
call
me
up
and
say:
hey
Mr
Jones
we're.
We
feel
confident
we're
going
to
have
a
congressional
appropriation
coming
up
in
the
next
few
months.
What
do
you
have
for
Harlan,
County
or
Martin
County
or
Pike
County
or
whatever
the
community
may
be?
M
M
I,
don't
know
if
you're
all
familiar,
but
basically
Beattyville
was
completely
underwater
I,
don't
a
year
a
year
year
and
a
half
ago,
so
they
were
able
to
get
an
appropriation
through
Congress
for
a
million
two
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
and
they
needed
a
50
50
match
on
that
to
make
that
happen
now,
obviously,
that's
not
the
return
of
on
investment
that
we're
looking
for,
but
still
I
mean.
That's,
that's
a
million
two
point:
five
dollars
the
the
Commonwealth
wouldn't
have
had.
We
not
had
these
funds.
M
Foreign
and
then
lastly,
I
wanted
to
give
you
all
an
example:
it's
not
all
just
FEMA
and
it's
not
all
just
the
US
Army
Corps
Engineers.
This
is
kind
of
what
I
call
a
non-traditional
project.
This
is
where
you
basically
have
a
project
need
and
you'll
have.
An
agency
cot
state
agency
was
was
a
huge
geographical
Information
Systems.
They
were
a
huge
lead
on
this.
This
has
been
going
on
for
almost
over
a
decade.
M
M
Government
entities
like
water
districts
there's
also
been
some
private
sector
contributions,
but
within
the
last
two
years
we
helped
fund
I,
don't
know
if
any
of
y'all
are
familiar
with
lidar
and
if
you're,
not
that's,
okay,
I,
don't
expect
you
to
I,
didn't
know
anything
about
it
and
and
until
the
this
these
projects
started
coming
to
fruition.
But
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky
is
one
of
the
few
states
that
we
have
full
lidar
coverage
all
across
the
state,
and
what
happens
is
this?
This
is
an
ongoing
project
because
it
has
to
continuously
be
updated.
M
It's
where
they
fly
the
planes
all
over
the
Landscapes
and
yeah.
You
know
we
could
spend
a
whole
presentation
on
that
and
it's
I'm
probably
not
qualified
to
give
it.
But
with
that
being
said,
that
has
been
huge
for
the
Commonwealth,
because
that
that
is
the
new
flood
mapping.
That
is
the
reality
that
that
is
what's
done
now.
It
also
helps
with
economic
development
for
manufacturers,
businesses
looking
for
land
acquisition,
where
they're
going
to
locate
their
building
structures.
Banks
lenders,
insurance
companies
use
it
and
then
also
search
and
rescue.
M
I
won't
go
into
detail,
but
it
was
crazy
cot
they
released
on
their
website
how
much
lidar
was
used
during
the
Western,
Kentucky
tornado
recovery
and
and
how
helpful
it
was
for
them
to
be
able
to
locate
certain
positions
on
the
ground
and
where
people
might
be
real,
interesting
stuff.
But
again,
that
is
an
example.
The
most
recent
projects,
usually
what
we
do.
We
take
a
lead
applicant
like
Hopkins.
County
was
one
Woodford
County
and
if
you
see
all
those
counties
that
are
listed
in
parentheses,
they
were
all
beneficiary
counties.
M
So
it's
not
just
the
one
applicant
and-
and
this
is
really
good
stuff
because
it
gets
up
it's
pretty
much
updated
every
year
every
other
year,
but
that's
an
example
of
what
I
call
a
non-traditional
project
where
there's
not
necessarily
a
specific
percentage
outlined
or
required.
But
when
you
have
a
lot
of
entities
that
come
together
to
fund
there's,
you
know
good
things
can
happen.
M
F
Thanks
Madam
chair
one
one
request
for
information:
then
one
question
Aaron,
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
If
you
could
get
back
to
the
committee
just
a
couple
of
project
descriptions
like
those
FEMA
Dr
projects,
that
was
to
do
what
those
Army
Corps,
so
you
don't
have
to
do
that
now,
we're
running
out
of
time,
but
if
you
could
come
back
with
just
a
couple
of
good
examples
of
here's,
what
those
projects
are
financing,
but
from
the
budget
standpoint.
F
Let
me
ask
the
question:
you
talked
about
the
complexity
and
the
number
of
federal
entities
involved,
as
well
as
all
our
local
governments.
This
is
one
of
the
more
complex
Grant
programs
that
anybody
operates
here
in
state
government.
You
had
mentioned
how
the
the
we
had
provided
12
million
dollars
in
the
current
budget
for
the
for
the
for
this
program.
F
You
talked
about
how
the
first
six
million
was
obligated
so
quickly
it
and
you
talked
about
how
the
how
we
respond
to
disasters
and
we're
also
doing
planning
and
mitigation
pre-disaster
as
well
as
post-disaster,
so
from
a
planning
standpoint.
Is
it
fair
to
say
that
you
know
you
can't
put
a
pin
on
a
number
of
what
you're
going
to
need
in
fiscal,
25
and
26,
because
there
are
things
that
haven't
happened
yet
and
access
to
Federal
programs
that
the
local
governments
haven't
applied
yet
so
so
for
purposes
of
being
prepared?
F
Would
you
agree
that
you
know
we
need
to
put
some
funding
in
the
budget
just
so
we
can
be
ready.
You
know
for
that
last
budget.
You
all
actually
actually
ran
out
of
money
prior
to
fiscal
23
when
we
want
that,
we
really
don't
want
that
to
happen
again
right
and
so
so
generally
we're
fair
to
say
that
you
have
some
knowledge
about
what
need
is,
but
you
have
plenty
of
uncertainty
about
what
we
will
need,
but
even
then,
just
like
Economic
Development
talked
about.
We
need
to
plan
to
have
some
funding
available.
M
M
We
were
still
in
a
one-year
budget
because
it
was
the
last
year
at
covid.
That
was
before
the
12
million
was
appropriated
to
us
and
when
that
vanished,
I
remember
talking
to
you
or
we
had
a
meeting
or
say
well,
how
can
we
determine
how
much
funding
is
needed
and
the
answer
is
we
really
don't
know
and
I
know?
That's
probably
not
an
answer
from
someone
that
works
in
your
field
wants
to
hear.
M
But
historically,
if
we
look
at
these
disaster,
events
they're
not
they're,
not
slowing
down,
you
know,
I
mean
until
I
see
a
year
or
two
or
three
of
Kentucky
not
have
a
presidential
Declaration
of
some
sort
or
the
armacore
engineer
just
says
you
know
what
we're
going
to
hold
off
on
all
these
projects.
No,
absolutely
these
These
funds
need
to
be
available
consistently
and
I
feel
like
dlg
should
keep
an
eye
on
that.
M
M
One
thing
that
does
make
me
feel
comfortable
and
what
I
feel
like
should
make
you
all
feel
comfortable
and
the
taxpayers
is
on
the
projects
that
are
what
I
consider
traditional
and
and
FEMA
requires
x,
amount
of
dollars
and
or
the
US
Army
Corps
engineer
requires
x,
amount
of
dollars,
I
feel
safe
when
we
give
the
money
to
the
community
and
the
community
gives
the
money
to
the
federal
sponsor,
because
they
are
really
really
strict
and
adamant
about
following
their
procedures.
You
know
I
can't
guarantee
a
hundred
percent.
Is
there?
M
M
This
is
what
I'm,
what
we
were
kind
of
talking
about
addressing
secretary
hicks's
question
is
not
necessarily
knowing
we
know
that
the
funds
are
needed,
but
we
don't
always
know
when
they're
needed,
but
a
good
example
of
that
is,
since
all
this
flooding
has
taken
place
in
in
Eastern
Kentucky
over
the
last
couple
years.
I
know,
especially
the
U.S
Army
Corps
engineer.
They
are,
are
really
chomping
at
the
bid
to
get
out
there
and
spend
money
and
I
know
a
lot
of
times.
M
People
don't
like
to
hear
this,
but
it's
where
it
starts,
they're
ready
to
throw
some
big
money
on
feasibility
studies
in
these
areas
that
got
affected
now.
I
know
some
people
frown
upon
that
they
don't
like
throwing
money
at
studies,
but
what
I
have
learned
is
it
starts
with
the
study
and
there's
a
lot
of
time
and
resources
put
into
these
studies
and
usually
what
and
then-
and
then
it
goes
into
phase
two
and
the
phase.
C
M
Absolutely
and
and
like
I
said,
I
I
know
Beattyville
they're.
Well,
they
they
specifically
got
a
line
item
from
Congress
to
do
Lee,
County,
Beattyville,
Johnson,
County
Paintsville.
They
have
just
started
their
own
202
project
and
I
think
what
has
happened
is
for
the
longest
time
in
in
the
flood
mitigation.
World.
You've
heard
these
terms
that
I'm
not
an
expert
on
but
I've
heard
them
The
more
I've
dealt
with
this
program
of
the
100
year,
flood
the
500-year
flood
and
most
time
you
hear
this
and
you
think.
M
Well,
it's
not
going
to
happen
in
my
lifetime.
Well,
it's
happening
and
and
when
you
and
when
you
start
to
hear
these
residents
or
local
officials,
say
I've
lived
here.
All
my
life
or
I've
lived
here
50
years
and
I've
never
seen
it
rain
like
that
in
a
matter
of
hours,
that's
something
that
needs
to
be
taken
note
of,
because
now
these
things
these
things
are
happening.
However,
you
want
to,
however,
and
whoever,
however,
you
want
to
Define
it
I
know.
M
Well,
thank
you
and
and
you're
absolutely
correct.
It's
all
in
some
way
or
one
way
or
the
other.
It's
all
Economic
Development
related,
and
you
say
well
how's
that
well
well.
I
say
if,
if
you
can't
sustain
a
a
community,
if
it's
going
to
get
wiped
off
the
map,
every
you
know
every
time,
there's
a
huge
rain
event.
Well,
you're
not
going
to
have
any
Economic
Development,
you
know
who's
going
to
want
to
come.
There.
G
Any
other
questions
well.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation.
I
sincerely
appreciate
it
I'm
kind
of
embarrassed
to
say
that
I
wish
that
I
had
known
more
about
this,
especially
because
of
like
in
Hardin
County.
We
have
West
Point
that
floods
every
five
to
seven
years
and
I
mean
they're
devastated
every
five
to
seven
years,
so
I'll
look
into
this
and
maybe
even
be
contacting
you
in
the
future
for
assistance
with
that
group.
So
thank
you
very
much
sure
absolutely.
G
Last
year,
good,
that's
good!
That's
right!
They
definitely
need
it.
Thank
you.
Any
other
questions
all
right
great.
Thank
you
all
right.
So,
from
a
matter
of
business,
our
board
staff
is
in
preparation
of
scoring
instructions
and
detailed
project
lists
for
board
members
to
make
their
final
Capital
project
recommendations,
draft
sections
and
planned
contents
of
the
2024-2030
Statewide
Capital
Improvement
plan
will
be
available
for
discussion
at
our
upcoming
September
meeting,
where
we
can
publicly
discuss
metrics
used
and
hold
discussions
regarding
potential
project
recommendations.
G
We
ask
that
all
project
recommendations
be
shared
with
the
board
staff
by
Wednesday
September
20th,
to
provide
ample
time
to
finalize
the
draft
Capital
plans
for
final
vote
and
approval
at
our
last
October
meeting,
so
that
was
Wednesday
September
20th.
So
our
next
meeting
is
scheduled
for
1
pm
on
Wednesday
September
13th.
In
this
same
meeting,
room
do
I,
have
a
motion
to
adjourn
the
second
all
right
great.
Thank
you.