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A
Lines
so
and
with
central
hornback
coming
into
the
room,
we
now
have
a
quorum
so
clerk.
Please
call
the
roll.
B
Remotely
from
district
representative
bowling
president
remotely
from
district
representative
hart.
B
A
Thank
you
very
much.
That
being
said.
First
item
on
the
agenda
is
consideration.
The
minutes
of
august
10
2021
is
your
emotion
that
they
be
considered
through
motion
by
senator
hornbacks
seconded
by
co-chair
cook.
Always
failing
the
motion
vote.
I
all
opposed
vote
no
clerk.
Please
call
the
roll.
A
A
A
All
right,
thank
you.
This
item
was
the
first
from
july.
We
did
discuss
it
in
august,
but
there
was
an
appeal
pending.
So
can
you
give
us
an
update
where
we
are
with
that
appeal.
F
The
appeal
is
still
pending,
and
so
nothing
has
really
changed
since
the
last
time
we
were
before
you.
A
F
F
We
are
operating
under
the
new
contract,
the
previous
vendor.
They
contract
with
them
expired
on
june
30th.
F
F
F
A
F
F
So
90
of
the
tests
that
are
submitted
under
under
this
contract
are
for
the
blood
panel
test
and
we
negotiated
a
slight
discount
a
50
cent
discount
out
off
of
the
cost
that
we
had
previously
paid
under
the
prior
contract
off
of
that
test,
which
makes
up
approximately
90
of
the
requested
tests
in
this
contract.
A
Well
I'll
tell
you:
we
have
a
long
queue
of
committee
members
who
have
questions
and
I
think
what
has
precipitated
that
is
the
fact
that
the
information
we
received
said
that
the
contract
increased
from
1
million
to
1.3
million
dollars
and
when
you
got
a
30
increase
in
anything,
it
certainly
captures
people's
attention.
So
it's
surprising
when
you
say
that,
then
the
new
vendor
has
discounted
prices.
Does
that
mean
they've
discounted
than
the
the
prices
that
they
traditionally
offer,
but
that's
still
a
cost.
That's
higher
than
the
previous
vendor.
F
The
total
amount
of
the
contract,
the
increase
from
1
million
to
1.3
million,
is
based
on
utilization.
Historically,
we
have
seen
this
contract
even
with
the
prior
vendor
increase
over
time.
So
each
time
we've
renewed
the
contract
it
has
been,
there
has
been
an
increase
and
that's
because
of
utilization,
as
we
all
know,
with
the
drug
epidemic
that's
going
on,
and
then
you
know
with
the
pandemic
and
some
of
the
increases
we've
seen
in
substance
abuse
disorder.
During
this
time
there
is
increased
utilization
for
toxicology
testing,
which
is
why
this
contract
was
1.3
million.
A
Well,
the
guess
other
question
I
have
is:
do
we
really
have
a
an
apples-to-apples
comparison,
because
one
of
the
things
I've
heard-
maybe
you
validate
this
for
me-
is
that
the
previous
lab
tests
that
were
performed
included,
blood
urine
and
vitreous
testing
and
that
the
new
contract
only
calls
for
testing
of
blood.
Is
that
true
or
not.
A
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Let
me
just
follow
up
on
your
question
before
I
get
to
mine
the
different
charges
that
you
mentioned
for
the
different
tests.
Does
that
mean
in
total
that
all
of
the
tests
together
are
50
cents
less
or
is
that
just
the
blood
test.
F
Based
on
the
invoices,
it
appears
that
there
were
separate
charges
for
blood
urine
and
vitreous
under
the
previous
contractor.
E
Okay,
thank
you
so
to
my
original
questions
heard
last
meeting,
which
was,
I
would
think,
a
full
month
ago
that
the
very
next
day
you
somebody
you
all.
Somebody
was
having
a
meeting
with
finance
cabinet
and
there
was
going
to
be.
I
think
it
was
some
kind
of
negotiation
or
something
to
that
effect,
and
what
I'm
hearing
right
now
is
that
you
had
to
put
that
off,
because
finance
doesn't
have
all
their
stuff
together.
So
at
what
point
are
we
having
that
initial
meeting?
That's
supposed
to
happen
a
month
ago,
okay,.
F
So
there's
two
separate
issues
here:
there's
the
bid
protest
and
that
is
that
is
still
currently
pending,
because
their
finance
has
not
yet
received
all
the
filings.
They
just
received
the
filing
from
the
protester
last
week.
So
that's
the
bid
protest
issue.
The
other
issue
was
a
contract
dispute
with
the
prior
vendor
access.
F
F
There
were
also
so
we
started
discussing
with
access
and
the
finance
cabinet
that
issue
the
issue
of
the
tests
that
they
had
not
returned.
F
They
during
those
negotiations
access
agreed
that
they
would
return
the
untested
samples
to
us
that
was
going
to
be
a
very
arduous
process
because
of
the
technical
requirements
of
preserving
the
sample
and
they're
they're
very
temperature
sensitive.
So
I
think
they're
maintained
at
like
a
negative
25
degrees.
F
Additionally,
there
was
going
to
be
quite
a
bit
of
cost
to
that,
and
so
and
even
once
we
got
the
sample
back
from
access,
then
we
would
still
have
to
submit
them
for
testing
to
nms.
F
So
once
we
got
all
of
this
information
and
through
our
discussions
with
access
which
the
finance
cabinet
helped
facilitate,
we
were
able
to.
We
realized
that
the
best
method
forward
for
these
200
tests
would
be
to
enter
into
a
not
feasible
to
bid
contract
to
get
those
samples
tested,
and
you
know
again,
there
are.
There-
are
kentucky
families
out
there
waiting
on
these
test
results,
and
these
are
families
who
are
grieving.
There
were
prosecutors
awaiting
these
test
results
to
pursue
criminal
charges,
and
so
you
know
again
for
public
safety
and
for
kentucky
families.
E
F
So
it's
the
contract,
the
not
feasible
the
bid
contract
was
finalized
last
week
and
my
understanding
access
that
they
would
immediately
start
testing
those
samples
and
they
would
complete
that
testing
by
october
31st.
E
Okay
and
back
to
the
original
question
about
one
bitter
and
one
disqualified
bitter
just
that
I
it
might
be
a
question
for
you,
maybe
any
other
council
can
help
me,
but
does
45a
require
us
to
take
to
negotiate
with
a
single
better.
If
there's
only
one
bidder.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
why
was
the
in
the
past
the
medical
examiner's
office
has
been
a
part
of
the
rfp
getting
the
rfp
together
and
and
negotiating
the
contract?
Why
was
the
medical
examiner's
office
not
included
this
time.
F
Additionally,
in
the
past,
there
has
not
been
an
rfp
access
held
this
contract
for
14
years
and
which
was
one
of
the
reasons
why
the
justice
and
public
safety
cabinet
thought
it
was
important
to
go
through
the
procurement
process
and
put
out
an
rfp,
and
we
did
include
the
medical
examiner's
office
in
that
process.
G
Okay,
I've
heard
different,
but
anyway,
where
are
we
at
on
testing
now?
And
I
guess
the
testing
now
is
being
done
through
nms.
F
Yes,
the
any
new
tests
that
come
in
are
going
to
our
current
vendor,
which
is
nms.
F
G
And
going
back
on
a
previous
question
from
senator
southworth
and
talking
about
the
pricing,
it's
my
understanding.
I've
been
told
that
access
did
the
the
blood,
the
the
urine
and
the
vitreous
test
for
one
price
and
in
this
contract
nms
charges
a
price
for
each
test.
That's
done.
You
said
that
looking
at
the
invoices
invoices,
it
appears
that
they
charged
different
price
access
charges,
different
prices
for
different
tests.
Now,
when
you
look
at
an
invoice,
it
doesn't
appear
to
be
that
way.
G
G
G
What
and
so
the
new
lab
is
107
a
test
is
that
right.
G
G
Okay,
I
just
think
it's
a
shame
that
you
know
we've
still
got
these
tests
that
are
hanging
out
there.
G
Like
senator
southwest
said
she
had
a
constituent
that
was
affected
by
this,
and-
and
it's
a
shame,
it's
taken
this
long
to
do
that,
and
I
understand
why
it
was
going
to
cost
so
much
to
get
the
samples
sent
back
to
the
office
then
forward
them
on
to
nms
and
while
we're
letting
axis
do
that
under
no
bid
contracts,
which
I
think
is
probably
the
right
right
way
to
go,
but
you
know
it,
it
seems
I'm
hearing
just
a
lot
of
discrepancies.
G
You
know
about
what's
going
on
and
what's
going
on
and
the
one
thing
you
know,
I
don't
think
the
medical
examiner's
office
was
notified
and
included
for
what
I've
been
told.
Pretty
direct
about.
What's
been
going
on.
H
Chairman,
I
just
want
to
bring
this
to
the
real
world
and,
while
we're
sitting
here
and
we're
squabbling,
we've
got
kentucky.
Families
they're
actually
out
there
suffering
for
this,
and
I
believe
it's
been
testified
before
us
before
that
there
was
no
backup
yet
senator
southworth.
We
all
continue
to
hear
from
our
constituents
that
there
is
indeed
a
backup
on
this.
This
contract's
been
deferred
twice
and
then
we're
sitting
here
today
and
I'm
hearing
a
different
spin
on
it
than
what
we've
heard
in
the
past.
H
We
need
to
instill
a
sense
of
urgency
and
ascent,
and,
quite
frankly,
some
common
sense
under
this
contract
to
resolve
this
and
help
the
constituents
of
kentucky.
That's
all
I
got,
mr
chairman.
A
Thank
you
co-chair
cook.
I
guess
one
final
question:
you
just
made
a
statement
that
axis
had
this
for
14
years,
and
this
is
the
first
time
we
bid
this
contract
in
14
years.
Is
that
correct.
F
I
can't
answer
that
question
I've
only
been
here
since
january
of
2020,
so
I
know
that
when
we
came
in
and
saw
this
contract
and
realized
that
it
was
going
to
expire,
we
started
developing
an
rfp
to
bid
the
contract
out
as
soon
as
we
could
and
the
medical
office.
The
medical
examiner's
office
was
included
in
that
process.
They
reviewed
the
rfp
that
provided
information
to
us
in
generating
the
rfp.
F
A
D
So
I'll
speak
to
that,
you
know
again
when
we
think
about
the
rf
process
and
we
think
about
you
know
the
intent
of
45a.
I
think
you
know
I'll
speak
for
you
know
the
folks
who
I've
worked
with
here
in
this
cabinet.
We
we
hold
45a
to
the
upmost
highest
respect,
and
so
that
process
you
know,
doesn't
lend
itself
to
having
modifications
if
mandatory
items
and
a
process
is
you
know,
is,
is
illustrated
in
an
rfp
out
to
vendors.
I
think
it
opens.
A
Go
down
well,
you
know,
holding
45a
in
the
highest
regard,
respect,
as
you
said.
I
guess
that
depends
on
whose
hogs
and
whose
cabbage
patch,
because
you've
already
extended
this
contract,
we
haven't
had
an
opportunity
to
really
review
it
and
say
yeah
an
a
on
it.
So
you're
saying
you're,
consistent
45a,
with
the
exception
of
getting
legislative
approval,
does
that
have
no
value?
No,
no
purpose
in
this
process.
F
We
we,
you
do
have
an
opportunity
to
approve
this
contract.
It
currently
is
under
protest.
So
that's
why
it
has
been
deferred
twice,
but
this
contract
is
before
you.
A
Co-Chair
cook,
you
have
a
another
question,
simple.
E
F
Actually,
the
rf
well,
the
rfp
itself
is
open,
of
course,
but
the
responses
and
the
bids
that
we
have
received
are
not
open
until
the
the
contract
has
been
made
final
and
currently
it's
under
protest.
So
those
items
are
not
public
right
now,.
E
F
I
do
not
believe
that
we
can
provide
the
the
proposals
to
you
at
this
time.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
Well,
obviously,
since
this
is
still
penny,
we
can't
take
action
on
it,
but
you
know
I
guess
my
closing
thought
is.
I
reported
to
a
board
of
directors
for
over
35
years
and
and
one
particular
director
was
fond
of
saying
you
know
this
citizen
doesn't
have
to
be
fair,
but
it
has
had
the
appearance
of
being
fair,
and
this
one
certainly
is
deficient
at
this
point
as
in
terms
of
whether
this
is
fair
or
not,
and
obviously
we've
got
a
lot
of
questions.
I
think
when
you
come
back
next
month.
A
A
B
I
A
Aye
motion
carries
and
contract
is
deferred.
Second
item
we
have
on
the
deferred
list
is
with
the
moorhead,
is
a
vendor
and
that
vendor
or
moorhead
is
a
contract,
and
the
vendor
is
now
registered
with
the
secretary
of
state's
office.
That
was
what
was
deferred.
So
is
there
a
motion
to
prove
that
contract
motion
by
co-chair
cook
is
her.
Second,
second,
by
representing
the
heart,
all
those
favorite
emotional
eye,
all
opposed
vote,
no
clerk.
Please
call
the
role.
J
B
A
Aye
motion
carries
next
order
of
business.
Is
consideration
of
the
agenda,
including
the
deferred
list,
the
professional
personal
service
contract
list
psc
amendment
list
memorandum
of
agreement
list
memorandum
of
agreement,
amendment
list
and
except
for
those
items
selected
for
the
review?
So
is
there
a
motion
considered
contracts,
review
that
objection.
A
I
believe
the
second
was
by
a
representative
mentor
in
motion
was
by
co-chair
cook.
All's
favor
will
vote
eye
all
opposed
vote,
no
clerk.
Please
call
the
row.
K
A
Aye
motion
carries
we
have
two
items
under
our
pool
list
for
psc
and
we're
going
to
change
the
order
of
this
a
little
bit
west
kentucky
university
has
asked
to
go
first,
we're
going
to
grant
that
it's
got
nothing
to
do
with
the
fact
that
I
graduated
from
west
kentucky
university.
It's
just
that
they
have
another
time
commitment
here.
So
if
representatives
are
here
or
on
video,
please
identify
yourself
for
the
record
and
we
will
proceed.
L
Yes,
good
morning,
mr
chairman,
my
name
is
john
sunnyguard,
I'm
the
associate
provost
for
global
learning
and
international
affairs
here
at
western
kentucky.
E
A
Thank
you
for
joining
us
this
morning,
representative
southworth
has
a
question
about
your
contract.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
am
entirely
aware
of
the
international
student
community
at
a
number
of
our
schools,
but
I
have
a
few
questions
relating
to
recruit
spending
taxpayer
funds
from
kentucky
to
recruit
international
students
to
attend
here
at
our
publicly
funded
universities
that
we
primarily
set
up.
At
least,
I
thought
we
set
up
for
the
purpose
of
our
kentucky
students
to
get
an
education,
so
my
first
question
is
relating
to
the
financial
side.
L
So
speaking,
strictly
from
the
financial
perspective,
international
students
are
paying
about
two
and
a
half
times
the
tuition
of
a
kentucky
resident.
L
You
know,
frankly,
I
am
not
aware
of
the
exact
cost
to
educate
a
kentucky
student
versus
educating
a
student
who
is
not
being
supported
by
the
state
of
kentucky,
but
I
would
like
to
point
one
thing
out
about
this
particular
contract.
L
This.
The
payments
for
this
contract
do
not
involve
any
state
funds.
The
payments
are
coming
directly
from
the
international
student
tuition.
That
then
goes
to
pay
a
modest
amount,
one-time
payment
to
agents
who
assist
us
in
the
recruitment
process.
E
Okay,
that
sounds
fantastic.
So
what
I'm
trying
to
get
to
the
bottom
of,
though,
is,
if
we're
educating
our
kentucky
students
under
cost,
then,
potentially,
the
international
students
would
help
us
fill
those
holes
and
therefore
siphoning
some
of
it
off
for
international
students.
It's
a
cost-benefit
analysis
and
I'm
trying
to
get
a
handle
on
what
that
cost
benefit.
Analysis
is,
and
I'm
not
sure
if
we're
missing
the
key
component,
which
is
how
much
does
it
cost
to
educate
this
student
that
we
can
even
make
that?
L
Sure
I
think
there
are
several
dimensions
to
that
question
and
this
is
being
asked
of
public
universities
around
the
country,
and
it's
been
asked
for
a
very
long
time.
L
One
is
that,
frankly,
higher
education
is
a
major
export
for
the
united
states.
It's
about
a
35
billion
dollar
industry
in
2018.
L
So
that
is
one
financial
benefit
that
comes
into
the
state
of
kentucky.
These
students
not
only
are
paying
tuition
but
they're,
also
paying
for
accommodation,
they're
buying
food
at
our
restaurants
and
grocery
stores
and
so
forth,
and
making
contributions
to
the
community.
And,
of
course,
you
know,
they're
paying
whatever
appropriate
taxes
are
associated
with
that
in
terms
of
the
cost
benefit
of
funding
or
of
the
cost
of
education
for
a
kentucky
student
and
an
international
student.
I
really
don't
have
that
answer.
E
E
L
Let
me
let
me
just
explain
a
little
bit
about
this
contract,
because
that
250
thousand
dollars
is,
I
think,
quite
misleading.
As
I
mentioned
the
contract,
we,
let
me
go
back
a
little
bit.
One
of
the
tools
that
we
use
to
recruit
students
outside
the
united
states
is
we
work
with
agents
who
are
based
in
communities
all
over
the
world.
They
have
direct
contact
with
students.
L
We
work
with
many
different
agencies.
Those
are
are
listed
here
in
the
in
the
document
last
year,
for
example,
and
we
pay
two
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
per
student
to
an
agent
who
comes
through
this.
We
pay
that
money
after
the
student
has
enrolled
at
western
kentucky
and
after
they
have
paid
their
tuition,
so
their
bill
is
fully
paid
before
we
make
any
payments
to
any
agent.
L
L
We've
set
the
amount
at
250
000
in
the
very
optimistic
hope
that
we
are
able
to
recruit
a
larger
number
of
international
students
into
the
university
okay.
So.
L
We're
not
spending
250
000,
it's
a
pass
through,
and
that
is
the
amount
that
we
were
asking
to
be
able
to
have
the
authority
to
spend
in
the
event
that
we
recruit
that
many
students.
E
A
I
like
to
add
to
that
just
a
little
bit
if
I
could,
and
maybe
the
same
line
of
questioning
that
that
you
have
as
senator
southworth,
because
I
had
this
discussion
with
the
president
cavone
right
after
he
took
office
and
reminded
him
that
I
went
to
western
kentucky
university
because
I
knew
I
could
get
equality's
education
at
a
very,
very
affordable
price.
At
least
back
in
the
the
late
60s
and
70s.
A
As
you
know,
we
have
a
tremendous
labor
shortage,
most
notable
in
education,
which
questions
always
had
a
strong
reputation
for
developing
teachers,
but
also
health
care.
So
while
this
appears
to
be
a
very
strong
market
for
our
universities
in
a
profit
center,
is
it
doing
so
at
the
expense
of
these
other
programs?
That
may
be
more
vital
to
the
state
of
kentucky
than
international
studies.
L
Yeah,
and
I
would
be
very
happy
to
respond
to
that
senator
first
of
all,
we
have
very
few
international
students
who
are
registered
in
undergraduate
teaching
programs,
because
the
licensure
and
so
forth
they
must
go
through
the
kentucky
licensure
and
frankly,
the
international
students
are
coming
with
the
intention
of
returning
to
their
home
country.
So
at
the
graduate
level.
L
Yes,
we
have
several
international
students,
but
they
are
definitely
not
keeping
the
american
students
out
of
the
kentucky
students
out
of
out
of
the
classrooms
and,
in
fact,
they're
helping
to
keep
some
of
those
graduate
programs
going
on
the
nursing
side.
L
Because
of
the
regulations
and
the
very
high
standard
for
english
language
to
do
one's
clinical
work,
while
they're
studying
we
have
virtually
no
international,
I
believe
there's
one
international
student
in
the
nursing
program
and-
and
that
is
not
to
suggest
that
we
have
a
low
standard
for
english,
but
for
nursing
it
is
considerably
higher
than
it
is
for
any
other
program.
L
A
L
Yes,
I
I
it
it
is,
there's
I
believe,
there's
significantly
more
to
that,
but
from
a
strict
and
narrow
financial
perspective.
Yes,.
A
A
My
concern
was,
we
were
using
resources
to
sustain
an
international
studies
program
that
could
be
used
to
expand
the
the
number
of
slots
that
we
have
for
teachers
and
for
healthcare
workers
specifically,
but
you
say
that
is
not
the
case,
so
I
take
that
at
face
value,
but
senator
yates,
you
have
a
question
or
comment.
C
A
Motion
by
representative
mentor
seconded
by
co-chair
cook,
all
those
favor
the
motion
vote.
I
all
opposed-
would
vote
no
clerk.
Please
call
the
roll.
D
A
Aye
motion
carries
and
folks
we
appreciate
you
being
available
to
us
this
morning.
I
know
you
have
another
commitment
but
appreciate
your
time
and
your
explanations
this
morning.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
K
A
Most
certainly
and
co-chair
cook
has
questions
for.
H
K
We
have
found
it's
more
cost
effective
if
we
contract
this
out
on
an
as
needed
basis,
and
let
me
give
you
an
example
of
some
of
the
work
that
these
folks
are
going
to
do
under
this
contract
or
have
done
in
the
past.
For
us,
they
produce
a
lot
of
campus-wide
banners
brochures
other
direct
mail
pieces,
whether
it
be
student,
recruitment,
student
follow-up,
that
type
of
stuff.
They
do
large
one-time
time,
insensitive.
K
K
They
did
a
marketing
transplant
kit
for
potential
transplant
patients
that
we
go
out
here
and
market.
So
it's
a
wide
variety
of
stuff,
but
it's
really
on
an
as
needed
basis.
So
when
we've
got
a
project,
we
can
go
to
these
vendors
and
they
can
put
a
team
of
six
or
eight
people
on
it.
Get
it
turned
around
very
quickly,
as
opposed
to
having
full-time
employees
at
the
university,
and
we
have
found
it's
much
more
cost
effective
to
keep
this
department
slim
and
use
outside
vendors.
K
Back
to
your
point
for
students,
I
don't
know
how
much
student
labor
we
can
get
on
a
free
basis.
We
do
have
a
steps
program
that
employs
a
lot
of
our
students,
but
I'm
not
certain.
We
can
go
into
a
college
and
basically
farm
out
work
to
them
and
expect
them
to
do
it
free
of
charge,
and
I
think
that's
the
issue
there.
It's
almost
like
captive
labor,
if
you
will,
if
we
were
to
go
that
route.
K
H
K
A
A
E
I'm
voting
yes,
I
just
find
it
hilarious
that
we
have
representative
cook
over
here,
keeping
his
eyes
on
the
graphic
designs,
because
everybody
knows
that's
the
thing
that
I
stick
out
the
most
with
and
if
we
could
somehow
that
it
sounds,
I
don't
even
want
to
think
about
all
the
things
that
they're
designing
over
there.
Just
almost
stresses
me
out
thinking
as
if
that
was
my
work,
but
we
could
somehow
figure
out
how
to
simplify
and
reuse
and
maybe
use
like
one
vendor
that
can
copy
and
paste
more
or
make
sure
that
we're.
E
I
hope
this
is
in
the
contracts
I
haven't
reviewed
all
of
them,
but
that
we
have
all
the
original
files
from
these
vendors.
So
when
we're
switching
to
other
vendors
and
so
forth,
because
having
all
that
stuff
already
laid
out
in
layers
would
be
amazing
if
you're
a
new
vendor
and
we've
got
logos
and
branding
that
the
number
of
dollars
that
taxpayers
are
spending
for
new
logos
and
branding
is
just
kind
of
gets
to
me.
But
I
understand
these
things
have
to
be
done,
so
I
am
voting
yes.
J
B
A
A
Aye
motion
carries
next.
Contract
is
number
52,
dixon
hughes
goodman,
and
I
have
questions
so
does
my
co-chair
cook
so
I'll
defer
to
him.
First.
A
H
You,
mr
chairman,
as
needed
basis,
something
I'm
learning
to
watch
for
and
if
you
could
just
talk
about
that
a
little
bit,
if
you
could.
K
When
we
submitted
this
contract
to
you,
we
were
in
negotiations
preliminary
negotiations
with
an
entity
that
we
were
trying
to
forge
a
partnership
with
during
the
subsequent
time
of
submission
of
this
contract.
Up
until
today,
leadership
at
that
organization
changed
new
ceo,
a
new
ceo,
I
believe.
K
K
K
It'll
just
be
there
in
place.
Nothing
will
happen,
but
that's
kind
of
the
history
of
how
we
got
to
this
point
today
with
this
contract,
but
but
it
is
on
an
as
needed
basis.
If
this
deal
were
to
go
forward,
we
would
absolutely
engage
these
folks
to
help
us
do
due
diligence
and
accounting
reconciliation
and
some
other
things
associated
with
a
partnership
or
merger
type
transaction.
A
Both
you,
gentlemen
and
and
I
at
previous
committee
meetings
about
consulting
agreements
on
an
as
needed
basis.
And
if
I
recall
this
last
year,
we
approved
close
to
300
million
in
contracts
for
consultants
on
predominantly
on
as
needed
basis.
But
you
all
committed
that
you
would
give
us
a
report
because
they
assured
us
committee
members
that
they
never
spend
that
amount.
But
it's
just
kind
of
a.
I
A
I
have
not
seen
it,
but
this
is.
This
is
like
swans
returning
to
capistrano.
You
know
if,
if
I
don't
bring
this
up
every
year,
just
I
haven't.
O
I
K
You
approve
this
contract.
Obviously,
we've
done
a
pretty
good
job
at
uk
trying
to
prevent
people
from
spending
any
dollars
until
you
all
act,
I'm
not
going
to
say
it
happens,
100
of
the
time,
but
we're
in
a
pretty
good
place
with
that
process.
Right
now
and
I'll
be
here
next
month
telling
you
why
it
didn't
work,
I'm
certain,
but
but
I
think
we
were
on
this
contract
we
were
anticipating,
we
would
be
ready
to
move
forward
and
then
again,
management
changed
and
it
kind
of
derailed
this
contract.
N
K
N
Thank
you,
mr
harden,
and
you
know
I
we
did
submit
that
the
report
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
and
happy
to
happy
to
discuss
that
with
you.
We
did
do
better
than
than
in
the
past.
I
I
I
can
say
that
with
with
certainty
I
I
will
also
tell
you
that
I'm
still
not
satisfied
with
the
report,
and
I
expect
you
will
not
be
either.
N
I
think
there
were
around
around
37
contracts
which
had
zero
spend,
which
is
something
that
I
think
we
need
to
work
on,
understanding
that
more
we
spent.
If
you
take
in
the
totality,
including
the
zero
spend
contracts
we
spent
about
40
percent
of
the
dollars
that
were
approved.
N
If
you,
if
you
take
the
zero,
spend
out
it's
about
50
about
51
of
of
the
dollars
approved,
and
you
know
I'd
like
to
see
those
zero
spends
come
down.
I'd
like
to
see
the
percentage
spend
go
up,
we're
significantly
better
than
the
year
before,
which
was
we
were.
We
spent
a
whopping
13
percent,
almost
right
at
14
of
the
amount
that
was
approved,
so
we're
trending
in
a
very
good
direction.
But
it's
still
not
you
know.
I
think
this
year,
maybe
we'll
make
make
up
the
rest
of
the
gap.
A
A
The
only
thing
that
still,
I
won't
say,
concerns
me,
but
it
caused
me
to
the
question
and
again
I
appreciate
that
the
uk
is
our
largest
university,
but
none
of
our
other
universities
have
near
the
level
of
consulting
contracts.
That
uk
does
and
that's
not
a
criticism
of
you
folks,
where
you're
doing
a
good
job,
bad
job.
It's
just
there's
a
difference
there
and
I'd
like
some
explanation
is
not
from
you.
Folks
got
to
come
for
somebody
else's.
Why
that
is
so
radically
different?
A
Are
we
not
seeing
all
the
consulting
contracts
from
our
other
public
universities
or
you
folks
doing
too
good
a
job
of
providing
us
with
the
information?
I
don't
know,
but
it's
just
there's,
there's
no
inconsistency
there
and
I
guess
your
closest
comparison
would
be
university
of
louisville
with
jewish
hospital
and
university
hospital.
Again,
don't
see
those
contracts
for
some
reason.
K
I
really
can't
speak
to
the
other
universities.
I
will
tell
you
we're
doing
our
best
to
bring
everything
we
do
in
front
of
you
as
and
be
as
fully
transparent
as
we
can
be
we're
a
5.2
billion
dollar
enterprise,
as
you
know,
and
we're
large,
but
but
again
we're
trying
to
make
sure
everything
we
do
comes
before
this
committee
and
give
you
all
an
opportunity
to.
A
Well,
I
do
commend
you
that
you
always
have
been
receptive
to
any
question
that
we
have
presented.
I
agree
with
you.
You've
always
been
transparent
and
giving
us
any
information
that
we
needed.
I
guess
my
inversion
goes
back
to
fact,
I
just
don't
like
consulting
contracts.
I
don't
think
we
get
our
money
out
of
it,
but
I'll
refer
to
you
folks
on
that
one,
but
co-chair.
H
Cook,
mr
chairman,
I
appreciate
everything
I
especially
appreciate
this
report
sitting
here
flipping
through
it
and
appreciate
your
guys
efforts
to
get
this
right.
Looking
forward
to
seeing
going
into
more
detail
on
that.
But,
mr
chairman,
I
moved
that
we
moved
to
approve
this
there's
a
motion.
A
A
G
A
A
Next
time
on,
the
pool
list
are
with
the
board
of
medical
licensure,
our
numbers,
three
four
and
five
on
the
psc
amendment
ivory
list.
If
representatives
are
here,
please
come
forward,
identify
yourself
for
the
record.
A
A
Good
morning,
are
you
are
you
going
solo
this
morning?
I
am
so
low.
It's
just
me
today,
all
right,
mr
rodney,
I
think
my
question
is
going
to
be
very
simple.
I
hope
you
appreciate
all
we
get
are
thumbnail
descriptions
of
what
these
contracts
are
for
and
but
I
notice
on
each
one
of
these
that
contract
three
we're
adding
two
new
consultants.
A
Four
writing
one
do
consultant
and
five
are
adding
one
new
consultant.
So
my
question:
are
we
placing
people?
Are
we
actually
adding
four
additional
positions
to
this
body
of
work?
We're.
A
How
many,
how
many
people
have
you
under
contract
now
to
review
charts
records?
Probably
I.
A
Think
that
includes
okay
and
what's
what's
precipitated
this
increase,
it's.
D
Just
we
it's
just
that
we
have
investigations
in
those
specialties
that
need
we
don't
have
the
consultants
or
no
specialties
or
it's
either
that
or
our
existing
consultants
have
conflicts
or
can't
review
those
cases.
For
some
reason.
H
D
A
volume
it's
just
a
lot
of
times,
it's
just
just
you
know
our
our
existing
consultants
can't
do
it
or
we
don't
have
a
consultant
in
that
specialty
at
the
time
like,
for
instance,
one's
like
interventional
radiology,
we
did
not
have
it.
We
did
not
have
a
consultant
in
that
specialty.
J
D
Varies
as
you,
as
you
know,
your
experience
in
the
hospital,
the
specialties
are
all
over
yeah
and
hopefully
we
we
at
least
have
one
in
every
specialty.
That's
our
goal,
but
occasionally,
even
when
you
have
when
you
just
had
that
one
consultant
that
specially
that
consultant
may
actually
know
the
person.
So
we
as
sometimes
we
have
to
go
out
and
find
someone
else.
A
A
Aye
motion
carries
mr
ryden
appreciate
you
being
available
to
us
this
morning
and
this
contract
these
contracts
have
been
approved.
Thank
you.
D
A
A
E
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
find
out
which
equipment
they
have
purchased
and
how
many
are
in
that
purchase.
That's
my
first
question,
we'll
not
pile
it
up.
D
So
the
ten
pieces
of
voting
equipment
was
included
for
a
total
of
fifty
eight
thousand
six
twenty
five,
the
remaining
items
to
fill
out
the
reimbursement
total,
which
was
a
little
over
sixty
one
thousand,
sixty
one
thousand
three
hundred
fifty
dollars
was
eighteen.
Verity
drives
five
verity
keys
and
secure
shipping
and
handling
to
lewis
county
for
a
total
of
2
725.
J
D
That
five
percent
is
paid
by
the
state,
the
state
board
of
elections
right-
that
is
the.
E
D
D
Yes,
the
the
allocation
was
divvied
up
at
4
500
for
a
precinct
at
the
time
of
the
2006
general
election.
D
Upon
the
original
allocation,
the
counties
could
request
for
reimbursement
at
any
time,
provided
the
serial
numbers
and
the
proper
documentation
of
the
purchase
once
they've
extended
that
allocation,
it's
no
longer
available,
lewis
county
just
happened
to
not
use
theirs,
and
this
is
how
much
they
have
left
to
spend.
At
this
point.
A
A
E
I'm
voting.
No,
I
think
everybody
may
be
aware
if
you're
not
aware
already,
I'm
never
going
to
vote
yes
to
help
bring
in
machines
that
are
electronic
that
have
so
many
possible
ways
to
be
compromised,
regardless
of
certification
status
or
whatever
else
the
bigger
brains
in
our
country
have
made
it
extremely
clear.
These
systems
are
not
secure
and
I'm
not
going
to
support
that
for
our
voters
help
america
vote
act
does
specifically
say
paper.
Ballot
systems
are
an
option.
I
think
kentucky
needs
to
get
on
board
with
that.
E
Like
other
states,
idaho
and
montana,
come
to
mind,
lots
of
their
places
use
a
paper
ballot
hand
counting
system
as
their
primary
method
of
voting,
and
that's
what
we
need
to
be
doing
in
kentucky.
We
definitely
don't
want
to
be
spending
additional
money
on
things
that
are
going
to
be
obsolete
next
year.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
before
we
proceed
representative
boeing,
I'm
sorry
wrong.
Contract
we've
got
you
in
the
queue.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
clerk.
Please
continue.
J
A
No,
for
the
same
reasons
that
senator
southworth
mentioned
but
motion
passes
appreciate
you
all
better
battle
to
us
this
morning
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
A
D
Good
morning,
chairman
matt
stevens
general
counsel
department
for
local
government
and
joined
I'm
joined
with
a
couple
of
other
staff
members
I'll
allow
them
to
introduce
themselves.
A
J
Thank
you,
co-chairman,
mine
was
really
just
a
comment
on
this.
It's
my
understanding
and
I
could
be
incorrect,
but
it's
my
understanding.
This
feasibility
study
is
going
to
look
at
bringing
a
hotel
into
floyd
county
to
be
in
conjunction
with
the
the
trail
system.
That's
getting
up
and
going
right
now
is
that
correct.
J
That's
correct,
okay.
I
just
want
to
make
a
comment
as
well
that
I'm
glad
to
see
that
the
fiscal
court
is
using
this
money.
The
state's
already
made
an
investment
into
that
project.
I'm
glad
to
see
that
this
study
is
going
to
be
done
to
see
that
way
they
can
go
out
and-
and
you
know,
go
find
hotelers
out
there
and
hopefully
bring
in
a
hotel
that
will
increase
revenues
in
that
area
and
be
a
good
add-on
to
that
project.
So
just
want
to
speak
in
support
of
this
contract.
H
I
knew
representative
bowling
would
have
some
insight
on
that
from
in
his
area,
but
I
I
my
question
is
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
a
feasibility
study
and
then
I
think
I've
got
a
little
more
insight
to
what
gateway
to
hidden
treasure,
but
if
we
can
get
an
explanation
on
that,
a
little
bit
more
be
great.
Thank
you.
D
Yes,
representative
and
and
the
the
applicants
are
floyd
and
not
county.
However,
this
project
is
a
joint
effort
of
seven
to
eight
counties
in
eastern
kentucky
gateway
to
hidden
treasures
is
going
to
be
a
non-profit
that
tries
to
help
regionalize
the
tourism
opportunities
and
and
that
region.
D
As
former
representative
mentioned,
the
project
includes
conducting
a
study
as
to
the
feasibility
of
attracting
a
family
friendly
hotel
water
park,
like
great
wolf,
lodge,
for
example,
which
would
serve
as
a
destination
resort,
which
the
area
is
missing.
They're,
hoping
that
this
resort
would
be
used
as
a
hub
to
house
visitors
who
are
traveling
for
the
adventure
tourism
opportunities
available
in
the
community.
Then
the
potential
resort
would
also
highlight
the
different
adventures
and
natural
resources
that
make
the
region
worth
visiting.
D
Also,
as
mentioned
they're
trying
to
build
upon
the
500
000
appropriation
that
the
general
assembly
gave
to
kmrra
the
kentucky
mountain
regional
recreation
authority
and
they're
they're,
currently
working
to
identify
and
develop
trails
in
eastern
kentucky.
A
D
A
Question
a
motion
by
central
hornback:
I'm
sorry
who
had
the
second
was
that
you
represented
bowling.
Yes,
sir.
Second,
by
representing
the
bowling
all
to
favor
the
motion
vote.
I
all
opposed
vote
no
clerk.
Please
call
the
roll.
J
I
mean
yes
I'll,
explain
my
vote
real
quickly.
I
understand
this
is
you
know
several
counties,
several
fiscal
courts
involved
in
these
funds,
the
most
part.
Nowadays,
I
will
say
that
the
coal
severance
dollars
that
there's
not
as
many
coming
back,
so
they
are
very
judicious
on
how
they
dole
those
out.
So
there's
no
doubt
that
they
put
their
heads
together
and
have
found
a
good
cause
to
put
those
dollars
towards
which
I'm
happy
to
see.
I
mean.
A
A
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
you
joining
us
this
morning
and
I
was
one
that
requested
this
contract
be
pulled
just
like
some
further
explanation:
clarification.
What
we're
attempting
to
accomplish
here
the
agreement
description
we
received
very
broad
in
scope,
and
I
think
I
understand
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
here,
but
I'd
appreciate
it.
If
you
give
me
some
further
explanation,
clarification
is
how
these
funds
are
going
to
be
used.
D
P
Good
morning,
thank
you
for
having
us
I'll
get
started
and
then
definitely
turn
to
dr
fraker
as
well.
As
you
know,
senator
meredith
is.
We
have
constantly
had
a
a
conversation
about
teacher
shortage
and
workforce
needs
in
our
in
our
field
of
education
and
before
covert,
we
saw
a
decline
in
those
who
enroll
in
our
teacher
prep
programs
as
well
as
graduate.
P
We
also
see
that
we
have
specific
needs,
whether
that
be
needs
around
specific
content
areas,
additional
men
in
the
field,
racial
diversity,
geographical
diversity,
even
those
who
have
served
in
the
military
who
bring
traits
to
our
to
our
schools.
And
so
our
efforts
around
this
is
to
really
incentivize
innovation,
for
our
public
schools
of
education
and
to
really
think
through
how
to
go
about
recruiting
and
retaining
teacher
candidates
in
different
ways
than
they've
ever
done
before
to
meet
the
needs
regional
needs
and
the
diverse
needs
of
our
students.
P
If
you,
when
we
did
go
back
to
see
what
the
openings
were
currently
they're,
still
almost
right
at
1300
openings
right
now,
and
that
ranges
from
preschool
all
the
way
through
high
school,
special
education,
english
as
a
second
language
teacher,
interventionist,
a
lot
of
social
studies,
teachers
now
math
and
science
preschool,
there's
just
a
lot
of
need
in
our
state
and
so
continuing
to
do.
What
we've
always
done
is
not
meeting
the
demand.
P
A
I
appreciate
the
explanation
and
certainly
and
understand
and
appreciating
the
need.
I
think
we
all
do,
but
I
guess
mine
is
is
more
generic
is
and
how
we're
spending
400
000.
Are
we
adding
a
person
who
have
responsibility
for
this?
Are
we
going
to
engage
consultants
so
again,
mine's
more
basic
is:
how
are
we
spending
400
000
dollars.
P
Sure,
of
course,
so
it
is
a
competitive
grant
that
is
available
for
the
public
universities
at
this
time,
because
they
tend
to
bring
in
the
most
teacher
candidates,
and
so
what
it
is,
is
it's
not
to
pay
for
personnel
so
much,
but
it
is
to
pay
for
support
around
the
recruitment
of
the
students
to
think
through
how
they
can
do
outreach
to
students,
but
then
also
in
retaining,
so
that
could
be
additional
support
for
ensuring
that
students
are
advised
well
that
they
have
support
for
the
assessments
that
are
required
for
certification
processes
or
expectations.
P
P
It
can
be
obviously
we'd
love
for
it
to
be
the
local
school
districts
to
identify
the
needs
of
those
school
districts,
so
it
can
be
paying
for
the
efforts
to
bring
those
folks
together
to
network
to
really
give
experiences
for
teacher
candidates.
P
It's
also
open
to
having
agreements
with
others
and
and
the
example
that
I
think
about
right
off.
That's
happening
without
this
fund
is
our
military
is
working
or
military
affairs
is
working
with
school
districts
to
help
them
identify
veterans
who
have
a
skill
set
in
some
career
and
technical
education
tracks
and
how
they
can
get
certified
to
meet
needs
in
the
local
school
districts
in
their
local
communities.
P
So
it
can
be
partnerships
through
others,
outside
the
local
school
districts,
but
that's
what
the
funds
would
be
used
for
and
and
that's
what
we
are
doing,
the
competitive
grant
to
see
what
the
school
or
the
public
university
would
offer
as
ways
to
use
funds
they.
We
would
administer
three
to
five
of
those
grants
over
two
years.
There
are
two
phases:
one
is
the
recruitment
and
one
is
the
retention
piece,
and
so
it
they
don't
have
to
go
for
a
full
100
000.
P
It
really
depends
on
how
many
folks
they're
trying
to
recruit
it
can
be
for
less.
So
if
they
ask
for
less,
we
may
be
able
to
give
more
grants,
but
it
does
give
some
wiggle
room
into.
How
can
they
invest
in
some
different
initiatives
to
really
be
intentional
on
the
recruitment
and
the
retention
of
those
students
to
keep
them
in
the
program
and
to
help
them
to
successfully
complete?
So
it
does
give
some
wiggle
room,
but
it's
not
just
to
pay
for
staff.
It's
really
to
it
has
to
be
around
the
support.
P
The
wraparound
supports
for
those
students
who
are
in
the
program
who
traditionally
may
not
have
chosen
to
ever
even
go
into
teaching,
but
how
to
really
keep
them
retained
and
invested
in
the
education
field.
Jennifer.
Would
you
want
to
add
anything
else
to
the
funding
specifics
that
senator
meredith
asked
about?
No,
just
to
recap:
senator
it's
we're
anticipating
three
to
five
awards
and
looking
at
two
phases
for
the
grant
award
period.
A
I
A
Have
to
incentivize
them
to
to
address
an
obvious
need
in
our
labor
force,
for
the
state
of
kentucky
is
a
little
bit
perplexing
and
don't
know
if
you
were
part
of
the
conversation
or
listening
earlier
when
we
were
talking
to
west
kentucky
university
about
the
international
studies
program
and
again,
I
understand
the
need
for
that
program,
but
are
we
really
being
aggressive
in
addressing
the
workforce
needs
throughout
the
state?
And
again
it
just
perplexing
to
me
that
we
have
to
incentivize
our
public
universities
and
colleges
to
tackle
this
issue.
P
P
You
know,
the
the
teaching
field
is
is
doesn't
always
offer
the
most
competitive
salaries
for
those
students
who
have
lots
of
options,
and
so
I
think,
they're
really
trying
to
think
of
innovative
ways.
Teaching
to
me,
I'm
very
biased,
is
the
most
meaningful
education
in
general
is
a
is
the
position
in
which
you
contribute
the
most
to
so
many
folks,
but
it's
really
trying
to
reach
out
to
others
who
haven't
considered
it
before.
I
think
there's
always
a
will.
P
I
don't
know
that
I
don't
know
that
anybody's
found
any
secret
sauce
and
I
think,
since
the
the
pandemic
has
made
it
even
more
difficult,
and
so
our
hope
is
to
be
supportive
around
really
supporting
and
and
really
pushing
on
the
innovations
of.
How
can
we
do
it
better?
How
can
we
elevate
our
field
and
provide
the
best
workforce
for
our
students,
because
you
know
senator
meredith?
P
I've
heard
you
speak
many
times
about
the
importance
of
strong
teachers
with
a
strong
education
system,
and
our
students
deserve
that
and
and
that's
what
we
really
want
to
promote
and
and
include
people
who
really
may
have
expertise
in
the
areas
in
which
we
have
critical
shortage
to
consider
coming
to
teach
and
seeing
what
a
rewarding
profession
it
is.
And
so
I
don't
think
that
there's
a
lack
of
will
but
we're
hoping
to
really
increase
the
the
the
need
for
innovation
and
to
think
differently
on
who
we
recruit.
P
How
we
recruit
and
our
approaches
just
may
have
to
be
very
different
and
and
that's
what
we're
hopeful
to
learn
more
about
and
to
see
how.
We
can
elevate
this.
That
you
know
there
are
a
lot
of
institutions
who
are
doing
different
things,
but
we
would
really
like
to
see
it
grow
and
spread
and
really
see
it
increase
our
number
of
educators
to
meet
the
supply
or
to
have
a
supply
that
meets
the
demand
in
our
state
because
it's
dwindling
and
it
has
over
time
and
that's
very
much.
A
national
trend.
P
So
we'd
like
to
be
a
trendsetter
to
really
increase
that
and
to
think
differently
about
how
we
recruit
our
future
educators
and
folks
who
are
in
the
education
pipeline
and
there's
a
lot
of
efforts
that
have
gone
on.
But
this
is
specific
to
how
we
can
push
on
the
ed
prep
programs
to
really
even
elevate
their
work
even
more
so.
But
we
see
the
need
too
and
that's
why
this
was
really
important
for
us
to
be
a
part
of
this
work.
A
Well
again,
I
agree
with
you
a
thousand
percent
I
mean
at
the
same
time
we've
got
some
critical
workforce
shortages
in
other
areas,
such
as
healthcare
law,
enforcement's
becoming
another
big
one
that
we're
going
to
have
to
fill
that
gap.
For-
and
I
appreciate
your
passion
for
this
issue,
I
would
just
hope
and
pray
that
at
our
public
university
level,
we
have
people
that
had
that
same
passion
and
desire
to
rectify
this
problem
and
again,
that's
why
it's
just
perplexing
me
that
they're
not
coming
to
you
and
say
we
have
a
problem.
A
I
mean
our
public
university
is
supposed
to
be.
Staff
of
some
are
brightest
in
the
state
and
you
know-
and
I
think
they
should
be
providing
the
leadership
on
this-
appreciate
that
you
are,
but
again,
I'm
just
disappointed.
We
have
incentivized
people
to
respond
to
this,
but
I
don't
want
to
believe
with
the
point.
Co-Chair
cook
has
a
comment
or
question.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
want
to
hone
in
on
one
comment:
that's
with
the
veteran
community
veteran
myself
and
I
really
appreciate
what
you're
doing
right
there
and
I
don't
want
to
jump
up
on
my
soapbox.
H
Yet
I
want
to
save
it
for
a
contract
that
we
have
coming
up
here
in
a
few
minutes
number
61
with
the
state
police
but
they're
doing
something
right,
and
I
believe
I
would
really
appreciate
if
you
all,
if
you
have
time
to
stay
on
and
kind
of,
listen
to
the
discussion
and
some
of
the
comments
I
want
to
say
about
that
contract
when
it
comes
up.
Thank
you.
A
P
A
H
E
Yes,
this
might
be
going
back
to
a
rudimentary
question
for
cpe,
but
do
we
have
a
mission
and
vision
statement
for
our
public
universities?
I
mean
is
that
in
the
krs
or
does
that
come
out
of
you
guys
or
or
how
do
we
kind
of
direct
them?
Because
I
feel
like
they're
supposed
to
be
our
arms
and
legs
and
they
almost
seem
like
they're
orphaned
children?
Sometimes
we
can't
figure
out.
E
Here
you
know
doing
international
student
recruitment
or
you
know,
hotel
management
or
something
that's
just
not
a
focus,
but
I
know
that
you
all
regulate
the
programs
they
can
offer
and
we
probably
need
to
sit
down
with
you
and
have
more
discussions
about
what
we
need
to
do
to
help
kind
of
focus
them
in
and
I'm
not
the
person
that
says
everyone
needs
to
go
in
healthcare
and
education
because
those
are
our
current
gaps.
Otherwise,
there's
no
innovation
for
the
future.
E
P
Sure
so
I'll
address.
Excuse
me
senator
southwestern
I'll
address
what
we
do
at
the
council
and
we
can
absolutely
have
a
work
group.
We
can
meet
with
you
and
share
that
and
have
my
colleagues
who
do
the
program.
Reviews
and
approvals
give
you
much
more
in-depth
information,
but
we
do
have
a
north
star.
We
call
it
it's.
The
60
by
30
goal,
which
is
60
of
kentucky
citizens,
will
have
a
certificate
or
degree
by
2030.
That
is
the
ultimate
goal.
P
We
monitor
that
with
our
community
colleges,
as
well
as
our
four-year
institutions,
and
that
is
shared
out
at
our
council
throughout
the
year
to
monitor
that
we
have
a
strategic
plan
that
we
are
in
the
process
right
now
of
updating
that
and
have
lots
and
lots
of
stakeholder
feedback
and
what
happens
with
that
is
that
our
strategic
plan
and
our
goals
are
shared
and
we
have
lots
of
feedback
feedback
loops,
of
course,
with
the
universities
and
community
colleges
to
then,
with
their
own
strategic
plans
within
their
institutions,
can
align
with
the
overall
cpe
goals
and
objectives
of
what
we
want
to
accomplish,
and
so
they
do
have
autonomy
to
develop.
P
That
for
sure
and-
and
I
don't
think,
they're
completely
off-base
by
any
means,
but
but
I
mean
there
is
definite
workforce
needs,
which
is
why
president
thompson,
as
you
may
or
may
not
know,
brought
dr
fraker
and
I
on
to
connect
the
dots
between
k-12
and
really
improving
the
transition
into
post-secondary.
P
We've
recently
had
a
grant
from
the
james
graham
brown
foundation,
to
create
a
student
success
collaborative
to
help
sustain
and
students,
succeed
and
succeed
in
college
by
graduating,
with
prudential
degree,
associates
degree
or
four-year
or
advanced,
and
then
we
also
have
rick
smith,
who
was
recently
brought
on
to
be
our
connection
into
the
workforce
of
really
identifying
workforce,
needs
economic
development
in
the
state
and
then
really
can
being
that
connecting
dot
to
the
career,
centers
and
things
in
the
universities
to
be
intentional,
with
what
they
promote
and
how
they
support
students
to
meet
the
needs.
P
The
economic
demand
needs
and
demands
in
our
state,
and
I
also
can
tell
you
that,
with
the
program
reviews,
you
are
absolutely
right.
We
do
approve
the
programs
that
the
universities
bring
forth
to
cpe
and
one
of
the
things
that
they
just
recently
have
access
to
is
that
they
can
see
that
the
programs
they
offer
and
the
needs
within
the
state
and
the
return
on
investment
for
those
programs
for
how
it
meets
the
needs.
P
And
so
they
just
recently
got
access
to
all
that
very
granular
data,
which
is
very,
very
rich
and
gives
a
lot
of
insight.
And
that
was
initiated
by
cbe
well
over
a
year
ago,
and
the
universities
have
recently
trained
and
started
using
that
as
a
part
of
their
program
review
and
approval
process
to
determine
that.
If
it's
truly
a
need
or
not.
P
And
so
if
that's
something
you
are
interested
in
to
talk
further
about,
I
would
be
happy
to
coordinate
a
meeting
for
you
guys
to
know
and
see
what
that
changes
and
and
how
that
really
can
advance.
The
conversations-
and
this
has
all
been
a
big
piece
of
president
thompson's
vision
on
how
to
really
build
out
that
pipeline
to
make
it
meaningful
and
meet
the
needs
of
kentucky.
P
So
I
think
exactly
what
your
concerns
are
and
and
what
you
see
is
as
needs,
I
think
we're
moving
in
that
direction
and
have
covered
quite
a
bit
of
ground
so
happy
to
connect
after
this.
If
that
would
be
helpful
for
you
to
learn
more
about.
E
That,
okay,
thank
you
and
I
apologize
because
dr
thompson's
been
on
my
list
for
a
year
to
call
on
this
topic
and
obviously
things
keep
pushing
and
out
of
the
way
we'll
get
to
that
before
the
end
of
the
calendar
year.
I
promise
final
wrap-up
I
just
want
to
handle.
You've
mentioned
the
north
star
60-30,
so
that's
set
by
cpe
your
dr
thompson
and
the
brain
trust
they're,
not
necessarily
in
stone.
So
if
the
brain
trust
changes
their
idea,
they
could
change
the
north
star
and
put
that
out
to
universities.
P
It's
yes,
they
put
that
in
place.
I've
I
believe
when
and
I
apologize
for
not
being
able
to
tell
you
exactly
when,
because
I've
been
on
a
little
over
a
year,
but
it
was
as
dr
thompson
came
on.
I
don't
believe
it
was
if
it
was
directly
his
vision
or
the
work
of
the
council
at
that
point,
but
it
was
set
as
the
goal,
and
that
was
in
partnership
with
the
president
of
the
university.
P
A
D
A
D
A
M
A
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'm
going
to
go
and
order
it
on
number
43
first,
which
is
the
literacy
development
contract.
This
is
obviously
a
huge
issue
and
I'm
not
sure
that
this
contract
is
covering
the
gamut.
Although
I
so
I
don't
want
to
see
our
limited
resources
going
to
something
that
only
gets
there
halfway
and
that's
why
I
want
to
ask
a
few
questions.
E
My
understanding,
I
just
had
a
meeting
with
some
constituents
this
week.
My
understanding
is
this:
clearing
house
has
leaves
much
to
be
desired
and
that
there
are
other
states
to
have
much
better
clearing
houses
is
part
of
the
work
in
this
contract
going
to
be
looking
at
other
clearing
houses
that
are
more
robust
than
ours,
and
maybe
swapping
some
of
that
out.
M
And
to
your
point,
I
have
been
the
director
of
the
division
of
program
standards
as
of
december
of
2020,
and
so
I
know
that
there
needs
to
be
further
work
around
this
particular
clearinghouse
for
those
programs,
and
I
believe
this
is
something
that
ccld
will
be
continuing
to
work
on
and
be
providing
with
us
updates
around
what
those
additional
programs
could
be
within
the
agency,
though,
we
also
promote
the
what
works,
clearinghouse
and
the
evidence-based
approach,
and
there
are
numerous
reading
programs
and
intervention
programs
that
are
included
on
that
clearinghouse
as
well.
M
M
That
will
include
resources
and
tools
and
instruments
for
local
schools
and
districts
in
selecting
high
quality
instructional
resources
that
would
be
aligned,
and
that
would
be
denoted
as
being
of
high
quality
for
literacy
within
our
state,
so
that
is
coming
as
of
july.
2022,.
E
M
Will
certainly
be
ongoing.
There
will
be
opportunities
for
feedback
throughout
the
entire
process.
We
are
working
with
kentucky
teachers
on
creating
that
particular
consumer
guide
and
and
within
that
there
will
be
review
periods
from
different
educators
from
different
k
groups
across
our
state
related
to
education.
E
Okay,
so,
along
those
lines,
number
five
of
the
goals
and
deliverables
says
providing
professional
development
and
coaching.
Are
we
going
to
be
getting
some
of
these
tools
into
the
professional
development?
Because,
as
I
talk
to
teachers,
the
professional
development
is
more
like
the
gingerbread
man.
Instead
of
you
know,
phonemic
awareness.
M
And
so
that
that
is
an
issue
and
and
for
this
particular
contract,
you'll
notice,
if
you
look
at
the
budget
items,
that's
going
specifically
for
reading
recovery
and
early
childhood
professional
development
supports
item
three
deals
more
with
the
kentucky
reading
project:
that's
associated
with
ccld,
so
we
do.
We
are
having
to
look
outside
of
just
this
individual
contract
in
terms
of
professional
development
supports,
and
I
will
say
I
in
terms
of
the
office
of
teaching
and
learning.
M
E
E
Your
research
initiative
was
105
000.,
as
I'm
looking
at
this
looks
like
we're
spending
more
money
on
adolescents
than
early
childhood
and
research.
All
together,
I'm
not
saying
we
don't
need
to
get
our
adolescents
out
of
the
gutter,
because
we've
they're
in
the
ditch.
We
need
to
pull
them
out,
but
it
seems
like
to
me
we
might
not
be
focusing
nearly
enough
on
getting
it
nipped
in
the
bud.
So
can
you
explain
adolescence
versus
focusing
hardly
nothing?
I
mean
almost
nothing
on
early
childhood
and
dyslexia.
M
In
addition
to
the
other
early
childhood
efforts
that
are
provided
with
that
fifty
thousand
dollars,
the
adolescent
literacy
project
actually
matches
up
with
line
item
seven
in
the
contract,
and
so
that
is
their
efforts
to
really
bridge
the
gap
between
early
learning
and
as
students
move
into
adolescence
and
into
middle
school,
which
is
another
if
you
are
familiar
with
our
test
scores
within
our
state.
That's
another
dip
that
happens
for
students,
that's
a
difficult
transition,
so
much
of
their
efforts
also
go
to
meeting
that
adolescent,
bridge
and
transitional
period
as
well.
E
I
appreciate
the
effort
in
addressing
bridges
and
gaps,
but
I
would
suggest
that
we
wouldn't
have
those
gaps
if
we
weren't
focused
so
much
on
reading
recovery
and
rather
just
on
reading,
starting
because
if
we
had
the
early
childhood
and
the
dyslexia
initiative
securely
sealed
we
wouldn't
need
to
recover
anything
because
they
would
have
already
had
it
at
the
first
place.
So
I
I
definitely
we
I
think,
we're
in
a
transition
point
right
here
we
have
to
get
these
things
covered.
E
I
don't
think
this
is
doing
it
well
enough,
but
I
want
to
certainly
will
continue
this
conversation
as
we
move
into
things
and
perhaps
our
krs
needs
to
be
adjusted
to
refocus.
I
know
we
had
a
bill
in
the
senate
last
year
that
started
to
get
at
this.
I
know
it's
been
multiple
years
has
not
gotten
all
the
way
there.
I'm
not
sure
that
bill
got
there
either,
but
I
think
we've
got
some
really
good.
E
E
A
A
There's
a
motion.
Second,
all
this
faith
in
the
most
vote.
I
all
opposed
vote
no
or
please
call
the
road.
E
Okay.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
My
main
question
on
this
is
in
the
goals
and
deliverables
on
task.
One
one
of
the
items
says
work
with
kde
to
identify
and
invite
ap
and
rc
committee
members.
I'm
curious
what
the
structure
is
that
we
use
to
decide
who
we
want
to
invite
to
be
these
members
and,
and
how
is
a
contractor,
help
kde?
Do
that
or
does
kde
mostly
hand
them?
The
invitation
list.
M
Teacher
candidates
from
across
the
state
in
all
of
those
regions,
and
so
there
isn't
a
generalized
application
that
we've
used
for
all
of
the
standards
review
processes
to
this
point,
both
for
reading
and
writing
for
mathematics,
social
studies,
world
language
and
others,
and
so
with
this
process.
What
we
did
once
we
actually
identified
the
candidates.
The
communication
then
shifts
to
to
air
and
they
are
emailing.
M
They
schedule
the
meetings.
So
they
do
more
of
the
logistical
work
in
contacting
those
particular
candidates,
but
the
kde
actually
curates
from
the
the
full
applicant
pool,
who
will
be
the
best
candidates
related
to
elementary
middle
and
high
school
for
the
ap,
and
then
also
that
review
committee.
E
M
Sure,
and
so
the
the
krs
doesn't
specify
specific
questions
that
we
must
must
have
within
the
application,
but
it
does
ensure
that
we
are
pulling
from
public
educators.
They
must
be
classroom
teachers
within
the
particular
content
area
across
each
of
the
great
bands.
So
we
have
to
have
elementary
teachers.
We
have
to
have
middle
school
teachers
and
we
have
to
have
high
school
teachers
in
this
particular
case,
who
are
familiar
with
the
existing
science
standards
and
who
are
teaching
those
particular
classes
and
what
we've
utilized-
and
this
was.
M
This-
has
been
presented
in
our
binder
for
interim
joint
committee
on
education
as
well.
So
all
of
that
is
made
available
to
legislative
committees,
and
I
would
be
happy
to
give
you
a
copy
of
the
application
that
that
goes
out
to
curate
these
applicants.
M
But
we
have
maintained
consistency
across
all
the
content
areas
so
that
there
is
fidelity
to
the
full
process
based
on
that
application.
M
So
again
we
have
generated
the
questions,
but
we
try
to
ensure
when
we
are
selecting
those
candidates
that
they
do
have
current
classroom
experience
that
they
have
at
least
five
years
of
experience
within
the
classroom
and
also
that
they
are
pulled
from
across
the
eight
educational
cooperative
regions.
E
E
Are
those
factors
go
into
the
pools
here
from
the
applicants?
Do
we
ask
those
questions
and
then
choose
somebody
that
is
going
to
fit
with
the
with
the
you
know,
to
make
it
actually
representatives?
I
guess
those
criteria.
M
And
I
will
say
we
do
try
to
ensure
that
there
is
diversity
among
the
all
of
the
panels,
certainly
with
gender
and
other
areas.
M
We
do
not
ask
specifically
for
any
sort
of
political
affiliation
because
again,
as
as
the
kde
we're
looking
specifically
for
teachers
who
have
expertise
in
the
content
area,
but
that's
not
a
question
that
we
specifically
curate
nor,
nor
could
I
even
tell
you
the
political
affiliation
of
of
all
of
the
ap
and
nrc
members,
but
I
think
that
when
you
see
the
credentials
of
the
candidates
that
you
would
know
that
we
have
an
impressive
body
of
teachers
who
are
dedicated
to
this
work
and
understand
the
importance
of
curating
high
quality
academic
standards
for
kentucky
students.
M
E
We
had
a
situation
where
the
majority
opinion
of
this
body
in
the
general
assembly
found
those
standards
deficient
and
what
happened
was
the
previous
legislative
session.
They
would
not
pass
the
new
bill
and
then
governor
bashir
had
the
legislature
bypassed
and
did
it
through
administrative
regulation
and
the
legislature
found
the
administrative
regulation
deficient
and
then
the
saga
began
and
what
happened
was,
of
course
the
administration
implemented
them
anyway.
E
Was
obviously
putting
something
together?
There's
all
kinds
of
you
know
community
backlash
and
different
things.
Some
people
were
for
it.
Some
people
were
against
it.
Frankly,
I
was
reason
I
know
this
because
I
was
vehemently
opposed
to
removing
hard
science.
We
got.
We
don't
have
enough
science
in
hard
science
in
our
classrooms.
E
The
last
thing
we
do
is
get
less,
but
this
advisory
panel-
and
this
review
committee
concerns
me
because
we
are
in
a
situation
right
now,
where
we
can
say,
we
don't
want
to
be
political,
and
I
don't
want
to
be
political,
I'm
the
most
trans,
partisan
person.
E
We
do
the
same
thing
with
our
board
of
elections
and
if
kde
wants
to
make
that
a
best
practice,
then
we
don't
need
to
pass
a
law
about
it,
but
if
kde
doesn't
want
to
make
it
a
best
practice
to
ask
these
questions,
then
it
may
turn
into
a
situation
where
we're
just
going
to
have
to
make
it
happen,
and
so
I
would
offer
that
to
kde
to
think
about.
E
Given
the
situation
that
we're
in,
in
the
light
of
you
know
our
current
society,
we
need
to
be
mindful
of
those
things.
Everybody
wants
to
be
mindful
of
certain
diversity,
and
sometimes
other
diversity
wants
to
be
thrown
to
the
curb,
and
we
need
to
remember
all
of
it.
That's
all
I
have,
mr
chairman,
thank
you.
P
A
Second,
by
representative
mentor
always
favor
the
motion
vote.
I
always
vote
no
clerk.
Please
call
the
roll.
E
Vote,
mr
chairman,
yes,
I'm
going
to
vote
yes,
because
these
science
standards
have
got
to
be
revised.
I
really
hope
that
it's
not
more
of
the
same.
If
this
body
puts
out
something
that's
similar
or
more
the
same,
you
can
bet
I'm
going
to
be
on
the
front
lines
fighting
it,
but
if
this
body
will
actually
do
robust
research
on
science
and
instead
of
some
of
the
other
stuff
that's
been
added
in
then
that
would
be
wonderful.
E
D
A
E
Well,
mr
chairman,
I
guessed
that
you
may
have
questions
and
I'm
not
going
to
ask
your
questions.
I
really
want
to
get
a
handle
on
what
is
this
because
it's
so
vague,
I'm
not
entirely
sure.
What's
going
on,
all
I
caught
was
the
teams
putting
together
these
teams
and
somehow
someone
in
san
francisco
is
going
to
be
able
to
help
us
get
an
identifiable
brand,
including
name
logo
and
tagline.
I
talked
about
logos
earlier
I'm.
What
do
we
need
a
logo
for
when
we're
talking
about
public
education?
B
P
Senator
I
have
david
cook
and
karen
dodd
on.
E
O
Thank
you
senator
southworth,
so
I'm
not
sure
if
everyone
on
the
committee
is
familiar,
but
over
the
last
six
months
or
so,
the
department
of
education
has
been
doing
several
things,
one,
including
a
listening
tour
of
the
constituents
around
the
state
about
where
education
is
in
kentucky
at
the
at
the
moment
and
where
people
would
like
to
see
it
go
from
that
we
created
a
statewide
coalition
made
up
of
all
kinds
of
different
stakeholders.
O
That
was
looking
at
that
information
that
came
from
those
listening
tours
and
and
sort
of
developing
reports
about
that
work
about
the
current
state
of
education,
the
future
state
of
education
and
then,
as
part
of
all
of
that,
there
was
the
overarching
idea.
Senator
southworth.
Is
that
we're
looking
at
what?
O
So
we've
been
involved
in
a
process
over
the
summer
to
get
that
started.
These
local
laboratories
of
learning
are
communities
that
raised
their
hand
and
said
we'd
like
to
be
initially
involved
in
this
work,
and
so
that's
so
these
con.
This
con
contract
is
to
support
that
work.
O
And
if
you
look
into
this
deep,
the
depth
of
the
contract,
the
work
is
almost
exclusively
being
done
by
the
center
for
innovation
and
education,
which
is
at
the
universe,
was
at
the
university
of
kentucky
until
very
recently
and
is
now
a
kentucky-based
nonprofit
that
works
out
of
lexington,
but
they
separated
from
the
university
fairly
recently
and
they
have
been
providing
the
leadership
and
the
and
the
work
along
with
and
by
the
way.
I
should.
I
apologize
senator
salforth,
I'm
david
cook,
I'm
the
director
of
innovation
at
the
department
of
ed
and
my
team.
O
My
division
has
been
primarily
responsible
for
working
with
the
center
for
innovation
and
education
to
actually
get
this
work
done
by
identifying
leadership
in
these
communities,
both
at
the
school
district
and
in
the
community.
So
we're
working
with
chamber
of
commerce
people
we're
working
with
local
local
legislative
people.
Also,
you
know
chamber,
excuse
me,
mayors
and
county
judges
who
are
also
involved
in
this
process
to
to
spend
time
thinking
about
what
local
communities
need
and
assessment,
accountability
and
education
in
general.
E
O
E
Somebody's
long-lost
child
yeah.
Well,
that's
a
good!
That's
a
good
start
on
the
list,
though,
and
I
appreciate
the
idea
what
I
guessing
I'm
going
to
go
to
next
and
then
I'll
turn
back
over.
The
chairman
is
how
a
contract
with
somebody
in
san
francisco
is
going
to
help
kde
get
more
granular
on
the
local
input.
O
Right
and
and
I'm
going
gonna
defer
a
little
bit
to
to
karen
on
the
intricacies
of
contract
administration
and
how
fiscal
agents
work.
We
have
not
had
any
interaction.
As
my
team,
all
of
the
work
is
being
done
by
the
center
for
innovation
and
education
in
lexington.
O
The
the
the
contract
is
with
a
corporation,
a
non-profit
in
california,
whose
hand
who,
whose
per
that
that
center
the
tide
center
does
this
kind
of
work.
They
sort
of
act
as
fiscal
agents
pass
through
organizations
to
whoever
is
doing
the
actual
work,
so
they
contract
with
the
center
for
innovation
and
education
locally,
and
they
do
the
work
with
us.
So
our
all
of
our
interaction
has
been
with
a
local
corporation
in
kentucky.
E
O
P
Senator
southworth
this
is
karen
worth
when
we
worked
with
gene
wilhoyt
is
actually
the
executive
director
for
the
center.
Their
concern
and
their
main
drive
is
the.
P
Side
of
it,
so
they
partnered
with
this
tide
center
in
in
california,
for
them
to.
D
Manage
the
fiscal
side
of
it,
I
can't.
D
Their
thinking
on
why
they
choose
not
to
handle
that
part
in-house,
but
that
is
the
direction
that
we
were
given
when
we.
A
O
No,
there
wasn't
senator
because
it's
a
non-profit
organization,
both
the
center
for
innovation,
education
and
the
tide
center
are
non-profits,
so
we
can
function
under
a
memorandum
of
agreement.
We
don't
have
to
do
an
rfp
for
the
for
this
process.
A
O
I
think
we
have
a
group
in
kentucky.
That's
providing
this
service.
They
just
decided
to
have
the
physical
aspect,
the
administrative
part
of
this
contract
handled
by
someone
else.
Who
does
that
as
their
business
model
they
the
center
for
innovation?
Education
is
a
kentucky
based,
nonprofit
and
all
of
the
work.
Every
every
part
of
the
work
is
being
done
between
the
department
of
ed
and
the
center
for
innovation
and
education.
A
I
appreciate
that,
but
that
didn't
give
me
a
whole
lot
of
comfort.
You
know
we're
not
bidding
this
thing:
we're
spending
close
to
half
a
million
dollars.
How
do
you
know
whether
that's
a
good
price
or
not.
O
O
So
the
process
we
used
was
exactly
the
process
we're
told
to
use
so.
A
I
appreciate
that,
but
you
just
identified
a
new
gaping
hole
for
me
and
that
this
whole
chapter
48
45
a
process
that,
if
you're
not
for
profit,
then
you
don't
have
to
be
held
any
financial
accountability
for
this,
and
I
I've
got
a
real
problem
with
this.
I
think
there's
other
folks
that
could
provide
this
should
provide
this.
A
There
should
be
an
rfp,
and
the
fact
that
this
is
a
we're
doing
this
or
moa
is
is,
is
not
justification
of
me
just
not
to
scrutinize
this
and
spend
the
dollars
as
wise
as
we
possibly
can.
So
I
tell
you:
I've
got
groups
in
in
my
six
counties
that
I
represent
that
if
you
say
we're
gonna
give
you
a
half
million
dollars.
They
would
be
estatic
to
have
access
to
those
funds.
A
For
for
reasons,
I
can
show
you
we
could
generate
some
return
on
investment,
and
this
one,
just
like
said,
look
like
it
increases
more
bureaucracy
in
the
the
other
issue
with
me.
Is
that
it's
from
a
california-based
company-
and
I'm
not
going
to
bore
our
committee
members
with
my
version
of
that
again?
But
I
don't
think
we
should
be
doing
business
with
them.
Companies
in
california.
E
Mr
chairman,
I
was
just
going
to
follow
up
here.
I'm
glad
that
you
pointed
out
the
things
that
you
did,
because
I
can
appreciate
someone
who
wants
to
do
education,
innovation
and
not
have
to
fool
with
the
papers
and
the
money
and
the
admin
part
of
it.
I
so
that
is
established,
makes
total
sense
and
I
would
like
communities
to
be
more
heard
and
I
was
glad
to
see
the
listening
tour
going
on.
E
I
think
there's
a
lot
more
there
that
probably
needs
to
get
added
in,
but
I
won't
necessarily
make
that
a
focus.
My
main
focus
at
this
point
is
I'm
aware
of
the
economy
in
san
francisco,
where
this
company
is
located.
E
That's
charging
us
a
non-bid
amount
and
typically,
when
we
see
these
contracts
or
whatever
for
review
from
california,
they've
actually
gone
through,
the
bidding
process
beat
out
other
competition
even
locally,
because
you
know
they
have
scaled
it
to
the
perfect,
sweet
spot
and
they're
able
to
run
things
through
faster
or
whatever
reason,
they're,
cheaper
and
so
for
the
taxpayers
that
we
represent.
It's
a
it's
a
better
deal
and
in
times
I've
not
been
opposed
to
supporting
a
san
francisco
company.
E
However,
in
this
case,
because
there
was
no
bid,
we
have
no
idea
how
much
local
kentucky
admin
operation
would
charge
us
and
san
francisco's
economy
is
significantly
higher
cost
living
and
therefore
significantly
higher
wages
than
kentucky.
For
example,
I
had
a
friend
who
just
moved
there,
and
I
said
when
you're
considering
doing
this,
you
need
to
look
at
the
differential,
because
if
you
think
you're
taking
a
job
that
pays
twenty
thousand
dollars
more,
it
actually
pays
you
less.
E
When
you
do
all
the
math,
so
he
did
the
math
and
it
turns
out
that
the
differential
was
about
20
25
000,
so
he
needed
a
job
that
was
going
to.
You
know
push
him.
You
know
40
000
more
just
to
make
it
worth
the
while
and
he
did
and
that's
great,
but
when
we're
paying
in
kentucky
478
thousand
dollars
in
san
francisco,
I'm
wondering
if
in
kentucky
it
would
cost
378
000.
that
that's
the
question.
O
So
senator
southworth,
how
can
I
respond?
Yes,
please
chairman.
I
think
it's
important
to
remember
that
the
the
administrative
cost
of
this
contract
doesn't
change
regardless
of
it.
It
changes
based
on
the
amount
of
the
contract,
obviously,
but
it's
a
percentage
of
the
contract,
so
the
the
tide
center
gets
what
they
get
based
on
the
the
size
of
the
contract.
O
Again,
the
actual
work
is
being
performed
by
a
kentucky
corporation
and
they
are
the
ones
actually
involved
in
the
services
themselves
and
who,
who
provides
those
services,
not
california,
so
gene
wilhoit
and
his
organization
are
providing
the
services
and
the
people
who
do
them.
So
it's
not
there's
it's
not.
The
only
thing
that's
happening
there
is.
Someone
is
probably
being
paid
from
the
tide
center
budget,
using
the
administrative
amount
of
this
contract,
which.
E
O
O
That's
what
and
that's
what
they
do
senator
is
they
provide
that's
what
their
organization
does
is
provide
these
kinds
of
services
to
manage
the
the
contractual
obligations
without
actually
doing
the
work.
That's
what
they're
that's
what
they
do.
O
O
E
Let's
back
up
because
I
feel
like
we
either
have
something
wrong
here
or
I'm
missing
it,
but
I'm
in
the
contract
right
now,
and
it
says
that
the
contract
is
with
tied
center
and
that
the
total
amount
is
four
hundred
seventy
eight
thousand
eight
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
and
that
the
breakdown
they've
got
sixty
thousand
dollars
for
communications.
E
You
know
168
for
the
stipends
for
the
families
and
the
funds
for
the
local
support
and
so
forth,
topical
experts,
thirty
seven,
six
staff
time-
I'm
I
don't
it
says
each
category
includes
nine
percent
indirect
that
goes
to
our
fiscal
sponsor
tide,
so
you're
saying
that
the
478
is
a
total
of
the
100
of
the
project,
plus
the
9
of
indirect
and
the
tides
is
getting
the
9
and
that
the
contract,
though
here
is
written,
that
the
whole
thing's
with
tides,
so
they're
a
flow
through
for
the
money
to
the
innovation
group
with
will
hoyt
is
that
is
that
accurate.
O
48
40
478
000
senator
southworth,
is
the
total
of
the
contract.
Nine
percent
of
that
is
what's
going.
Nine
percent
of
the
478,
which
was
karen
just
mentioned
a
moment
ago,
was
43
000,
whatever
that
is
goes
to
the
tide
center.
The
balance
of
the
contract
goes
to
the
kentucky
corporation
cie
that
gene
wilhoit
is
the
ceo
of.
E
M
E
Now
so
now
the
final
piece
of
the
puzzle
is
kind
of
the
original
piece
of
the
puzzle,
and
that
is:
is
there
not
a
kentucky
company?
For
you
know
economic
incentive
improvement
development,
whatever
you
want
to
call
it?
Usually
we
try
to
stay
local.
If
we
can,
you
know,
buy
local
kentucky,
obviously
is
ideal
to
keep
as
much
money
as
we
can
we'd
rather
bring
money
in
not
sending
money
out.
D
O
I
would
say
that
is
probably
true
on
other:
they
do
contracts
with
other
states.
Besides
kentucky
the
center
for
innovation
does
their
kentucky
kentucky-based
company.
So
I
and
I
don't
I
would
assume
with
all
of
their
contracts.
They
use
an
external
partner
to
handle
administration,
and
I
would
it's
it's
quite
possible
that
they
use
this
same
organization
for
other
contracts,
so
they
they
do.
They
do
other.
They
do
other
contracts
that
that
also
benefit
kentucky,
because
they're
coming
and
money
coming
into
the
state
of
kentucky.
E
And
we
appreciate
that
so.
My
final
closing
remarks,
mr
chairman,
would
be
that
we
appreciate
the
innovation
center
bringing
other
companies
into
kentucky,
and
we
understand
that
from
their
perspective,
they're
looking
for
the
best
vendor.
However,
they
do
need
to
understand
when
they're
using
taxpayer
dollars
from
our
perspective
as
the
watchdogs
on
those
spending
of
those
funds.
We
want
to
keep
the
money
in
kentucky
and
we
may
not
have
the
exact
same
mission
statement,
but
I
think
a
little
bit
of
research.
Perhaps
we
could
find
something
that
works
out.
E
I
certainly
hope
that
we
can
keep
as
much
money
and
or
bring
as
much
money
as
we
can,
if
they
weren't
using
this
person
in
california
and
all
those
other
contracts
to
bring
it
in
that'd,
be
nine
percent
more
staying
in
kentucky
even
from
our
out-of-state
contracts
to
be
fantastic.
Thank
you.
To
that
end,
we.
A
C
Oh
thank
you,
mr
chair.
It's
appropriate
some
of
the
questions
with
nonprofits
coming
out
and
I
know
locally
dealing
with
a
lot
of
nonprofits
a
lot
of
times.
The
administration
can
be
the
part
where
you,
where
you
have
the
mess-ups.
C
You
know
that
when
there's
money
passed
through-
and
I
understand
that
they
they'll
send
it
through
the
tide
center
and
the
tide
center
will
distribute
those
funds
and
there'll
be
a
responsibility
there
too,
and
then
the
nine
percent,
because
it's
kind
of
in
the
range
that
we
see
a
lot
in
what
you've
done.
Have
you
seen
other
organizations
that
do
these
large-scale
administrations
for
the
non-profits
here
locally
and
other
bids.
O
I
I
haven't-
and
I've
not
done
a
lot
of
of
these
large
scale
bids,
mr
yates,
but
I
I
don't
know
about
the
kentucky-based
corporations
that
do
this
for
their
living.
So.
C
C
If
the
company
is
located
in
california,
therefore
they're
going
to
be
more
expensive
than
their
places,
we've
learned
that
that's
not
always
necessarily
true
because
of
technology.
Sometimes
these
large-scale
companies
they're
just
able
to
do
it
cheaper,
and
I
know
that
sometimes,
when
we're
wanting
to
be
a
good
financial
agents
and
fiscally
responsible
for
our
nonprofits,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
not
lost
money
on
those
those
costs.
C
What
could
happen
and
I'm
sure
it
would
be
really
simple
for
a
local
guy
to
open
an
llc
here
in
kentucky
bid
on
this,
get
it
and
then
contract
it
out
to
tide
center
as
a
pass
through
take
a
couple
percentage
off
the
top
and
maybe
we'd
all
feel
happy
that
we
could
save
as
kentucky.
But
we
know
that
money
would
really
be
going
outside
and
that's
one
of
the
problems
you
have
when
people
can
just
open
up
corporations
anywhere.
I'm
thinking
the
question
is:
did
really
with
the
non-profits.
C
C
But
I'd
like
to
know
just
as
being
new
to
the
committee
this
past
year
is
that
if
we
get
that
kind
of
behind
the
curtains
look
at
who
all
when
we
have
these
non-competitively
bid
contracts
or
these
when
they
choose
these
sole
source
contracts,
if
they
who
else
they've
considered,
would
you
have
that
in
your
notes
and-
and
I
think
that's
probably
what
the
committee's
going
to
ask
if
there's
a
problem
for
you
to
look
at
and
before
we
go
there,
I
want
to
say:
would
that
be
hard
information
to
get.
A
E
Motion,
mr
chairman,
to
defer
and
the
purpose
of
getting
the
information
on
who
else
they've
looked
at
and
or
who
else
is
available,
so
we
are
aware
of
it,
so
we
can
make
a
more
informed
decision
to
know
whether
they
you
know
should
be
able
to
move
forward
with
this
or
whether
we
need
to
be
putting
the
brakes
on.
Thank
you.
J
J
A
A
Aye
motion
carries-
and
I
appreciate
y'all's
time
this
morning-
look
forward
to
discussing
with
you
in
further
more
detail
in
our
next
month's
meeting
october.
Thank.
P
A
K
M
A
Thank
you
for
joining
this
morning.
Co-Chairman
cook
has
questions
about
this
contract.
H
Thanks,
mr
chairman,
we
don't
always
pull
contracts
because
there's
a
problem
with
it.
Sometimes
we
pull
contracts
because
they're
doing
something
something
good.
If
you
all
could
just
talk
about
this
for
a
minute
or
two
explain
what
you're
doing
and
then
I
have
some
comments
to
make.
D
Yes,
sir,
this
is
a
kind
of
a
multi-based
program.
I
guess
that
we've
incorporated
to
help
with
our
recruiting
and
in
a
way
I
just
benefits
the
commonwealth
itself.
G
G
H
You're,
fine
captain
and
the
reason
I
caught
this
and
this
this
caught
my
eye
and
I'm
so
interested
in
it
is
because,
20
years
ago
I
had
a
professor,
I
had
an
advisor
at
the
university
of
kentucky
who
thought
outside
the
box,
dr
lori
garkovich,
and
I
was
able
to
get
college
credit
hours
when
I
went
to
ocs
and
she
took
leadership,
training
in
the
history
classes
and
stuff
that
went
into
it,
which
helped
me
go
and
get
my
degree.
H
This
is
promoting
education.
This
is
something
and
that's
why
I
asked
the
earlier
group
to
stay
on
and
listen
if
they're
interested
in
talking
about
veterans
police,
you
know
you
can
go
across
anything
and
you
can
take.
They
get
such
good
training
in
such
good
classes.
H
They
go
across
such
a
such
a
wide
variety
of
topics
that
we
can
very
much
apply
those
towards
getting
degrees.
So
I
applaud
you
all
for
what
you're
doing,
and
I
encourage
our
universities
out
there
to
look
at
our
technical
schools
to
look
at
the
military
to
look
at
these
other
programs
that
are
going
on
and
to
think
outside
the
box
on
how
they
can
help
apply,
because
if
they
can
get
six
credit
hours,
12
credit
hours,
you
know
applied
with
that,
it
will
help
promote
those
people
go
on
and
get
a
degree.
H
A
So
I
don't
want
to
commend
you
as
well.
This
is
thinking
outside
the
box
and
it's
kind
of
what
we
alluded
to
earlier
and
we
know
we
have
issues
with
workforce
and
development
and
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways
to
approach
us
if
we'll
just
take
that
initiative
and
do
it.
So
I
commend
you
for
trying
to
plug
this
particular
home.
We
know
it's
quite
significant
and
I
think
it's
a
good
investment
in
dollars
and
coach
cook.
I
appreciate
you
bringing
this
to
our
attention
you're,
so
correct.
A
A
A
Next
item
on
the
pulled
list
is
number
64.,
it's
office
of
health
data
and
analytics
it's
on
the
routine
moa
pink
list.
If
representatives
are
here,
please
identify
yourself
for
the
record.
P
E
Thank
you.
I
see
here
it
says
we're
giving
the
opportunity
to
apply
for
an
incentive
to
offset
the
vendor
fees
associated
with
connecting
to
k-h-I-e.
Can
you
explain
a
few
examples?
What
the
vendor
fees
are,
their
actual
total
costs.
I
Yes,
that
actually
varies
per
vendor.
It's
a
really
wide
array.
Unfortunately,
some
vendors
charge
extraordinary
amounts
of
money,
while
others
don't
to
connect
to
the
kentucky
health
information
exchange
on
our
part,
of
course,
is
free.
We,
we
did
not
charge
for
these
services,
but
we
found
that
over
the
years,
I've
been
with
the
k
high
for
over
nine
years
now,
and
the
repeating
thing
that
keeps
the
repeating
hurdle
that
we
keep
seeing
is
that
especially
the
small
clinics
and
the
the
rural
clinics.
I
They
just
don't
have
the
funds
that
they
need
to
make
that
connection,
and
so
this
was
our
attempt
to
fill
that
gap.
So
we
requested
money,
of
course,
from
friends
from
the
federal
government
and
to
offset
this
cost
in
the
past
that
cause
that
pass,
that
savings
onto
this
pharmacies,
hospitals
and
clinics
across
the
state.
E
I
We
actually
don't
have
that
information.
That's
actually
based
on
the
providers,
get
that
information
and
I'm
sure
they
shop
around
and
what
I
may
consider
extraordinary
may
not
be
what
somebody
else
does,
but
I
think
that
connecting
to
k
high
is
very
beneficial
and
should
not
cost
as
much
as
it
does.
E
Give
us
an
example,
just
a
couple
of
different
examples:
is
it
size,
scope,
type
of
the
practice
or
what
are
the
factors
that
create
this
cost
and
just
it
doesn't
have
to
be
evidence-based
data,
but
just
anecdotally
an
example
of
what
kind
of
costs
we're
talking
about,
because
these
grants
are
for
fifteen
thousand
dollars
for
hospitals
or
pharmacies.
Eight
thousand
there's
other
categories,
but
I'm
just
wondering
how
much
of
a
percentage
is
this
of
the
total?
And
is
this
an
annual
fee?
I
mean
just.
E
We
need
a
little
better,
I'm
new
to
the
to
the
granular
details
of
this
system,
I'm
not
new
to
federally
funded
programs
that
I
typically
hate
to
see
federal
grants
coming
down,
incentivizing
stuff.
That
frankly,
makes
no
sense
for
small
businesses.
So
that's
where
I'm
kind
of
trying
to
get
this
figured
out.
I
Yes,
so
I
was
working
with
a
provider
the
other
day.
O
I
Found
that
their
vendor
was
charging
them
ten
thousand
dollars
per
connection
to
the
public
health
registries.
So
if
they
were
going
to
connect
to
the
immunization
registry,
that
would
be
a
10
000
fee
and
if
they
were
going
to
connect
to
syndromic
surveillance
registry
that
was
going
to
be
they
cut
it
down,
I
think
to
5
000,
so
an
order
for
them
this,
for
that
particular
provider,
would
offset
eight
thousand
dollars
at
that.
E
E
I
E
So
I
checked
with
my
pharmacist
last
week
when
I
had
a
question
regarding
the
immunization
registry,
for
example,
and
what
I
found
out
was
in
these
new
coveted
vaccines.
If
you're
going
to
administer
you're
required
to
be
a
member
of
the
registry,
but
for
other
vaccines
in
the
past
it
wasn't
a
requirement.
So
are
you
suggesting
that
a
small
business
would
want
to
pay
the
fee
to
get
on
this
immunization
registry?
That's
an
optional
thing
anyway,
what's
the
ins,
why
would
you
why
would
you
want
to
jump
through
that
hurdle?
I
Okay,
trying
to
think
of
the
best
way
to
explain
it.
So
as
far
as
the
immunization
registry,
I
think
there
are
some
guidelines
that,
like
pediatricians
and
things
like
that
have
to
go
through
across
the
state.
They
do
have
the
option
to
enter
into
that
immunization
registry
manually.
I
I
I
E
I
Yes,
those
are
the
larger
ones
and
the
most
the
most
common,
and
then
the
providers
also
they
are,
there
are
federal,
I
guess,
objectives
and
measures
that
they
have
to
follow
as
well.
Excuse
me
for
the
mips
program
they
have
to
do.
They
have
to
follow
some
of
these
guidelines
too,
so
it
actually
helps
them
meet
those
objectives
and
measures
as
well.
E
J
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
My
question
is,
I
understand
the
grants.
How
are
they
administered?
Are
they
administered
on
the
front
end,
so
they
can
go
after
these,
so
they
can
get
registered
in
these
programs
or
are
they
given
once
a
provider
has
already
gone
through
the
process
and
improved
they've
completed
it.
I
J
Okay,
and
how
are
we
checking
on
that-
and
I
just
don't
want
to
see
a
thing
where
you
know:
fifteen
thousand
dollar
grants,
eight
thousand
grants
go
out
there,
and
we
only
have
you
know
60
of
the
providers
that
actually
go
through
with
it.
I
want
to
make
sure,
there's
a
good
mechanism
for
verifying
that
and
making
sure
we
get
back
to
funds
that
are
not
used
for
this
purpose.
I
A
E
Explain
my
vote,
mr
chairman.
Yes,
I'm
going
to
vote
no,
I
am
entirely
concerned
about
one
I
mentioned
federal
grants,
not
a
huge
fan,
particularly
when
it
doesn't
relate
to
something
that
should
be
federalized,
which
is
somebody's
individual
health
care
and
health
practice.
You
know,
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
bureaucracy
around
this
whole
thing
has
kind
of
created
this
problem,
but
now
we're
spending
more
taxpayer
dollars
trying
to
get
everybody
up
to
speed
on
frankly,
a
whole
lot
of
paperwork.
That
would
be
a
lot
easier
if
we
didn't
do.
E
E
I
don't
see
why
we
need
to
be
putting
taxpayer
dollars
toward
incentivizing
people
to
get
into
something
that's
entirely
voluntary.
In
the
first
place,
it's
obviously
not
a
required
thing
for
business
to
operate
in
the
current
environment,
even
and
so
in
a
number
of
other
items.
I
I
just
I
just
don't
see
that
this
is
best
to
use
the
tax
per
dollar.
So
that's
why
I'm
voting
now.
O
B
A
Aye
motion
carries
thank
you
folks
for
being
available
to
us
this
morning
last
contract.
We
have
for
review
and
consideration,
and
I
just
want
to
encourage
committee
members.
We
still
have
a
couple
exemptions.
We
need
to
act
on
which
should
be
short
order,
but
the
last
agreement
is
number
two
on
the
mla
amendment
tan
list
and
that's
with
attorney
general's
office
representatives
are
here.
Please
identify
yourself
for
the
record
and
senator
southwest
has
questions
for
you.
E
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
patience
sitting
through
our
entire
committee
meeting.
I
have
a
question
about
the
genealogy
searching.
Q
Sure,
thank
you
senator
southworth,
so
what
this
essentially
is
is
the
sagi.
The
sake
grant
dealt
with
the
back
love
of
sexual
assault,
kit,
sexual
assault
care
initiative.
So,
if
you're
familiar
with
how
they
solved
the
the
golden
state
killer
case,
he
was
a
serial
murderer,
rapist
who
operated
in
the
70s
and
80s.
It
was
done
through
familial
genetic
genealogy,
and
so
what
sake
has
increased
and
what
this
specific,
what.
Q
Okay,
what
this
specific
grant
would
be
about
is
for
the
state
of
kentucky
to
utilize
that
method
of
testing
in
order
to
work
on
cold
cases
to
identify
both
victims
and
both
offenders
for
cases
that
have
occurred
within
or
every
jurisdiction
in
kentucky,
as
well
as
to
kind
of
loop
in
this
whole
sake
network
nationwide.
Q
In
order
to
do
that,
familial
genetic
genealogy
testing,
I
can't
speak
exactly
to
and
robin
can
a
little
bit
better
as
to
what
that
testing
specifically,
is
because
I
know
just
enough
about
it
to
be
dangerous,
so
I'll.
Let
her
take
that
part
of
it
sure,
okay,
the
grant
funds,
what
it
really
is
is
it's
a
scientific
enhancement
of
investigations.
Q
The
grant
is
100
fully
funded
by
the
department
of
justice
and
the
bureau
of
justice
assistance
to
fund
this
fine,
this
forensic
genetic
genealogy,
which
we
call
fgg
so,
for
example,
fgg,
is
a
huge
law
enforcement
tool
for
multi-offense
serial
offender
cases
that
we
have
the
funding
to
now
use
in
kentucky.
Q
It
can
help
with
sexually
motivated
cold
cases
as
well
as
sexually
motivated
cold
case
homicides.
So
it's
something
that
we
use
to
further.
All
of
the
investigations
you
might
be
familiar
with
codis,
which
is
the
fbi
database,
that's
one
of
the
best
toolboxes
we
have
for
investigative
leads
on
these
cases,
but
even
further
than
that.
Q
What
we
now
have
access
to
is
this
genetic
genealogy
that
provides
this
powerful
new
tool
that
generates
even
further
leads
that
are
associated
with
relatives
that
we
don't
have
access
to
with
just
our
conventional
testing
or
conventional
investigative
strategies
like
fingerprints
and
eyewitness
statements.
So
it's
a
really
great
innovative
tool
for
law
enforcement
can.
M
Q
Senators,
I
think,
to
put
it
very
over
simplified,
it
will
complete
the
dna
chain
where
there's
certain
markers
that
are
missing.
It
will
use
this
huge
database
of.
I
think
these
genealogical
studies
to
if
they
can
locate
different
relatives
to
complete
the
dna
sequence
so
that
that
can
be
tested.
I
think
that's
a
huge
oversimplification,
but
that's
my
understanding
a
little
bit
of
it.
Well,.
E
Q
So
codis
is
the
first
step
that
we
use
these
cases,
don't
qualify
for
fgg
unless
there's
first
a
hit
encodus,
but
when
it
hits
to
a
suspect
in
codis
the
suspect
has
to
be
unknown.
So
we
know
that
there's
dna
and
that's
often
how
we
see
that
these
are
serial
cases.
For
example,
there's
a
case
that
we're
working
on
in
kentucky
that
through
codis
hits
these
cold
cases
of
hit
to
six
different.
Six
different
cases
have
hit
to
one
unknown,
suspect
that's
in
codis,
and
so
then
the
further
step
is
okay,
who's.
E
Q
Yes,
and
no
so
some
of
the
public
databases
aren't
accessible
to
these
law
enforcement
searches,
but
some
of
them
are
two
of
the
main
ones
that
are
used
are
jed
match
and
family
tree
dna,
and
so
yes,
those
public
databases.
When
you
submit
your
dna
to
them,
then
it
you
agree
that
it
can
be
searchable
for
your
family
members.
O
C
Yes,
mr
thank
you
I
put
the
little.
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see
in
the
top
left-hand
of
the
screen
the
little
hand
up
there.
C
All
right,
I
don't
know
if
it's
helpful
or
not.
I
was
on
megan's
law
team
when
I
was
at
the
ag's
office
assistant
attorney
general
and
we
did
a
sex
offender
prosecutions,
and
that
was
a
long
time
ago
before
we
had
this
information
or
technology,
but
my
understanding
of
the
fdg,
the
forensic
genetic
geology,
it.
It
also
helps
kind
of
get
an
idea
of
what
kind
of
suspect
you're
looking
at
right
like
you're.
C
If
it
would
be
a
a
white
mill-
or
I
guess
I
guess,
you'd
already
tell
not
middle,
but
if
you
could
say
that
they're
from
this
type
of
background-
or
you
know,
they're
likely
to
have
these
type
of
attributes.
So
it
also
helps
narrow
that
search
in
in
league
out
suspects.
Is
that
correct.
Q
Q
Yeah,
so,
ideally
with
this,
what
so
there
are
different
steps
and
different
things
that
these
advanced
dna
analysis
can
do.
One
of
them.
I
think
what
you
were
first
talking
about
is
the
phenotyping
and
that
can
actually
develop
a
picture
or
a
profile
of
somebody
based
on
their
dna.
So
it's
actually
helpful.
So
you
can
compare
and
they're
pretty
accurate
when
they
do
that,
then
for
the
the
genetic
genealogy
and
the
further
ancestral
analysis,
it
can
really
narrow
down
a
suspect
to
a
region,
a
family
or
even
an
individual.
Q
So
you
could
find
there
are
cousins
or
second
cousin
or
third
cousin.
That's
in
this
specific
town
in
kentucky,
and
so
you
go
and
you
start
with
the
cousins
and
then
you
can
get
further
reference
samples
to
get
closer
and
closer
to
your
match.
Dna.
A
Thank
you
fascinating
subject
what
an
education
and
I
think
there
was
recently
a
news
story
about
a
gentleman
that
was
a
40-year
cold
case
that
through
a
family
member
doing
their
dna,
they
were
able
to
track
him
down,
and
so
you
can
run,
but
you
can't
hide
anymore.
But
thank
you
any
other
questions.
Comments
not
entertaining
motion
to
approve
motion
by
coaching.
A
A
E
Mr
chairman,
I'm
voting
no
and
for
those
who
know
my
history
of
working
in
this
body
way
before
I
was
a
member,
it
should
come
as
no
surprise
in
2013
there
is
a
supreme
court
case
and
justice
scalia
wrote
a
decision
maryland
versus
king
about
the
fourth
amendment
concerns
relating
to
cold
case
searches
in
the
codis
database,
and
while
I
have
conceded
that
those
convicted
of
crimes
are
giving
their
dna
now,
which
I
still
think
needs
to
be
narrowed
down
to
those
who
are
related
to
the
crime.
But
anyway,
that's
a
side
comment.
E
I've
had
long
concern
about
the
federal
sweep
up
of
anybody
and
everyone's
dna
is
possible
with
essentially
when
these
people
agree
that
their
information
can
be
seen
and
searched
publicly.
They
are
not
aware
that
they
are
waiving
a
fourth
amendment,
constitutional
right
to
search
and
seizure,
and
so
I
think
there
is
a
major
legal
issue
here.
Obviously
we
want
to
catch
criminals,
but
we
certainly
have
to
protect
constitutional
rights.
First.
A
C
I
think
very
much
the
dna
is
of
today
is
what
fingerprints
were
of
yesterday
and
as
someone
who
has
been
in
the
trenches
doing
prosecutions
of
some
of
the
worst
sex
offenders,
I'm
excited
about
the
opportunity
to
protect
kentucky's
family
particular
children,
where
I
work
on
megan's
law
team
as
well.
C
I
think
that
the
more
that
we
can
encourage
people
to
be
able
to
freely
give
over
the
information
the
better
that
technology
will
be
expanded,
but
at
all
times,
as
you
know,
kentucky
we
have
to
make
sure
that
we're
cognitive
of
those
constitutional
rights-
and
so
I
do
very
much
always
adhere
to
my
colleagues,
comments
and
counsel,
and
I
know
this
has
been
an
ongoing
long
debate,
but
I
think
as
technology
improves,
so
so
does
the
ability
of
law
enforcement
to
be
able
to
better
protect
and
why
there
is
that
balance.
B
A
D
E
D
Think
that's
something
that
certainly
at
the
attorney
general's
level,
that's
something
that
one
could
work
on
as
you
negotiate
contracts
like
this
going
forward,
but
it
is
a
valuable
tool
and,
as
senator
yates
said,
these
are
the
fingerprints
of
today.
So
I
vote
yes,
but
I
would
like
to
see
some
work
on
that
to
protect
some
people's
civil
liberties.
A
A
Folks,
so
two
last
items
we
need
to
act
upon,
and
that
is
an
exemption
request.
Two
exemption
questions
from
the
kentucky
department
of
agriculture,
and
this
is
a
routine
and
that
they
have
agreements
extend
beyond
our
biennial,
so
they
they
have
to
ask
for
any
exception.
For
those
you
pay
that
in
your
packet,
if
there's
no
questions
comments,
an
irritating
motion
to
approve
these
exemption
requests
motion
by
chair
cook
is
our
second.
E
A
I
believe
that
was
southwest
central
southwest.
We
can
do
this
by
boasting
to
expedite
it
all
in
favor
and
say
aye
all
opposed
vote.
No,
all
in
favor
aye.