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A
And
appreciate
it
by
being
here
today,
I'd
like
to
ask
you
if
you
haven't
already
done
so
to
silence
your
phone,
so
we
can
carry
through
the
business
as
well
and
I'll,
make
sure
I
do
that
myself.
Thank
you
for
attending
appreciate
your
time
and
your
service.
We
do
have
a
pretty
full
agenda
today.
A
B
A
A
Next,
on
our
agenda,
we
have
Dr
Thompson
and
others
I
guess
presenting.
If
you
please
come
forth
and
introduce
yourself
and
and
we've
got
you
down
for
45
minutes,
Dr
Thompson,.
D
For
being
here
well
good
morning,
Mr
chair
and
committee
Aaron
Thompson,
the
president
of
the
Council
on
post-secondary
education.
D
Mr,
chair
and
committee,
we
have
a
lot
to
go
over
today.
You
know
almost
all
good
news
and
I
want
to
start
the
conversation.
Now
we
have
two
of
our
campuses
with
us
and
we'll
have
Sean
going
fairly
quickly
through
the
PowerPoint,
whereby
you
folk
need
to
really
listen
to
where
the
rubber
meets
the
road
and
that's
at
our
campuses.
D
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
putting
forth
the
effort
this
last
session
to
give
us
about
10
percent
of
what
we
are
needing
to
have,
but
that
was
a
significant
input
and
we
have
been
able
to
produce
already
some
good
outputs
from
that
and
over
the
next
several
years,
even
more
as
you
all
know,
our
campuses
have
needed
this.
For
a
long
time,
I
mean
these
are
state
buildings
and,
in
many
cases,
literally
falling
down
around
us.
D
So
we
first
of
all
want
to
thank
you
and
the
legislature
for
putting
for
that
effort
and
the
governor
for
putting
it
in
his
budget.
So
this
is
in
fact
we
hope
to
be
the
first
installment
of
many
years
to
come.
Also
before
I
start.
This
I
just
want
to
give
you
a
quick,
fast
update
on
what's
going
on
in
higher
education.
D
As
you
know,
covet
has
slowed
down
a
few
things,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
been
experiencing
over
the
last
several
years
is
a
downturn
in
enrollment
for
a
lot
of
reasons.
One
is
they're
pure
people
in
high
school
graduating.
But
what's
a
little
bit
more
scary
to
me,
we
have
about
47.8
percent
of
those
graduating
from
high
school,
going
on
to
college.
D
That's
somewhat
problematic
and
something
I'll
bring
back
to
the
legislature
in
the
governor's
office,
even
more
in
depth
later
on
with
some
strategies,
but
I
do
quickly
want
to
say,
though,
in
the
last
several
years,
we're
very
proud
we're
up
about
a
17,
0.1
percent
and
credentials
and
degrees
obtained
really
going
toward
those
High
neat
areas
in
Kentucky.
More
specifically,
we're
closing
some
gaps
as
fast
or
faster
than
most
States.
D
In
that
length
of
time
we
had
about
a
41
percent
increase
in
our
underrepresented
minorities,
and
this
is
important
to
us
because
it
really
goes
to
what
the
capital
is
needed
for
and
this
to
make
sure
we
are
educating
the
future
citizens
of
Kentucky.
So
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
tell
you
that
this
isn't
just
about
buildings.
This
is
truly
about
building
the
state's
Civic
power
and
the
long
term.
D
What
I
would
consider
economic
value
of
the
state
so
we're
talking
about
people
we're
talking
about
students
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
in
perspective
before
we
get
to
the
dollars
and
cents
of
the
buildings
and
asset
preservation.
So
thank
you
for
letting
me
have
that
little
interlude
with
you
as
an
introduction,
I'm
just
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Sean.
Now.
E
As
a
reminder
to
this
group,
well,
I
guess
the
best
in
2005
the
council
contracted
with
vandergril
facilities,
advisors
to
conduct
a
comprehensive
study
of
the
facilities
on
our
campuses.
This
outfit
looked
at
700
EMG
facilities
and
concluded
in
2007
that
most
of
the
inventory
was
in
for
poor
condition.
Most
buildings
at
the
time
were
over
30
years.
Old
condition
was
consistent
with
with
that
advanced
age,
and
significant
investment
was
needed
to
bring
HVAC
Plumbing
electrical
up
to
up
to
Industry
standards.
Many
buildings
were
no
longer
adequate
to
support
their
intended
purposes.
E
A
E
E
However,
of
course,
for
for
the
current
biennium,
the
general
assembly
authorized
700
million
for
asset
preservation
projects,
a
very
significant
investment
and
the
the
the
Commonwealth
has
been
following
the
advice
of
the
fa
to
to
look
at
asset
preservation
with
the
same
kind
of
determined
effort.
As
as
in
previous
biennial,
we
had
looked
at
new
construction.
It's
always
easier
to
get
support
for
new
construction
and
I.
Think
the
the
message
of
the
vfa
advisors
was
really
taken
to
Heart,
so
you
can
see
between
2008
and
2224.
E
The
yellow
bars
represent
asset
preservation
spending
and
the
blue
bars
represent
new
and
expanded
space
spending
by
the
state.
Over
the
same
period,
I
would
say
that
the
institutions
have
have
put
forth
1.2
billion
dollars
of
their
resources
to
fund
asset
preservation.
So
that's
very
important
to
keep
in
mind.
E
In
the
United
States
budget,
the
general
assembly
authorized
680
83.5
million
dollars
for
in
general
fund
support
bond
funds
for
post-secondary
education,
asset
preservation,
pool
the
the
purpose
of
the
pools,
provide
funding
for
individual
asset
preservation,
renovation
and
maintenance
projects
at
our
post-secondary
campuses.
The
state
budget
also
appropriated
16.5
million
dollars
for
a
standalone
asset
preservation
project
at
kctcs.
So
that
brings
the
the
total
investment
to
700
million
dollars,
which
is
what
CPE
requested
for
an
asset
preservation
pool,
and
this
slide
shows
a
the
breakdown
of
that
683.5
million
dollars.
E
E
As
you
may
remember,
the
the
match
is
slightly
different
than
the
50
50
cents
on
the
dollar
that
that
CPE
had
recommended
recognizing
the
challenges
that
the
institutions
had
had
recently
faced
with
with
covid-19
and
then
also
challenges
with
enrollment.
E
D
I
just
want
to
take
a
second
and
thank
you
for
this,
because
it's
important
that
and
we've
had
many
discussions.
I
see
budget
director
Hicks
here
along
the
lines
that
we
have
campuses
like
Morehead
KSU
other
places
really
just
don't
have
those
dollars
to
do
so.
While
when
I
say
literally,
the
building
is
falling
down
around
us,
I
look
at
one
building
in
KSU
when
I
was
there
and
still
is
the
roof
was
falling
in.
D
So
that's
an
important
marker,
I
guess
I
just
want
to
bring
to
the
attention
and
thank
you
specifically
for
because
I
mean
our
campuses.
I
mean
all
would
say
that
they
would
have
liked
to
have
had
no
match
I'm
sure,
but
compromising
at
this
level.
I
think
is
very
helpful
and
I
just
wanted
to
point
out,
and
thank
you
for
that.
E
Just
a
reminder
that
the
the
match
was
sorry,
while
all
of
the
universities
have
the
authority
to
use
agency
bonds
to
cover
the
state
match.
Some
are
opting
at
this
time
are
planning
to
use
other
sources
of
funds.
E
E
And,
of
course,
the
the
projects
the
funding
can
be
used
to
preserve,
renovate
and
renew
education
and
general
facilities.
They
can.
The
funding
can
also
be
used
because
of
language
included
in
the
budget,
Bill
to
renew
state-owned
and
operated
residential
housing
facilities
very
important
to
several
of
our
campuses
and
just
a
reminder.
The
projects
that
renovated
or
renew
non-eng
athletic
facilities,
hospitals
or
auxiliary
Enterprises
are
not
eligible
to
receive
funds
from
the
pool
and
that
this
is
just
a
glance
at
in
in
your
materials.
E
There's
a
a
listing
of
all
of
the
preliminary
projects
that
the
institutions
are
are
planning
to
to
initiate,
with
the
use
of
these
funds
and
just
a
real
high
high
level
overview
of
what
some
of
those
projects
entail
at
University
of
Kentucky
Building
improvements
and
infrastructure
and
system
improvements,
University
of
Louisville
HVAC
electrical
and
plumbing
life
and
safety.
E
Ada
improvements
refurbishments
roofs,
a
very
similar
list
of
of
projects
like
this
at
each
of
our
campuses,
and
we
do
have
representatives
from
the
University
of
Kentucky,
Murray,
State,
University
and
kctcs
that
each
have
a
small
presentation
for
this.
For
this
body.
D
Miss
Chad,
you
know
if
you
want
to
ask
us
questions
before
they
came
to
the
table
or
wait
till
they
testifying
I
will
say,
as
they
do
come
to
the
table.
No
good
deed
goes
unpunished.
I
guess
we
were
very
grateful
for
the
money
and
then
guess
what
happened.
Inflation
happened
so
I'm
sure
they're
going
to
talk
about
you
know,
cost
overrun
from
what
they
originally
thought.
They
were
going
to
have
to
pay
based
on
the
amount
of
inflation.
A
F
D
Does
the
only
47.8
percent
are
going
to
Kentucky
colleges?
I
should
say
another
five
percent
are
going
out
of
state
which
I'd
rather
not
to
lose
any
of
our
talent,
as
you
know,
Senator,
but
no
that
accounts
when
we
think
of
trade
schools
in
Kentucky
kctcs.
That
falls
under
my
line
of
authority
and
that's
college.
So
that's
going
to
any
of
our
trade
schools
Beyond
post-secondary.
Now
they
could
be
going
to
a
CTC
ATC,
while
they're
still
in
high
school
it
that
doesn't
count
that,
but
that's
not
Beyond
high.
F
So
you
know
I
would
like
to
see
you
know
maybe
a
broader,
encompassing
Spectrum.
As
far
as
what
you
know,
education
can
mean
a
lot
of
different
things,
not
just
College.
Well,.
D
Ahead
doctor
no
I'm
saying
for
me
that
is
college.
We
count
that
as
College
what
you're
talking
about
so
when
I
say
college
I'm
talking
about
if
you've
got
a
welding
certificate
or
if
you're,
getting
that
that
to
me
is
College.
College
doesn't
have
to
be
a
four-year
degree
by
no
stretch
of
the
imagination.
If
you
get
a
six
month
certificate
in
welding
from
one
of
our
institutions,
I
count
that
as
College,
we
count
that
in
our
educational
attainment,
even
because
that
is
as
important
as
getting
people
out
into
the
workforce
as
others.
D
I
know,
but
that's
why
I
argue
that
we
need
to
get
our
students
early
to
know
their
sociological
psychological
attitudinal
way
of
thinking
about
going
and
I
believe
that
every
one
of
our
students
in
high
school
and
college
should
have
a
work
based
learning
apprenticeship,
some
level
of
work
based
learning
experience
before
they
leave
college.
So
I'm
I'm
there
with
you,
because
we
have
to
start
thinking
about
holistically.
How
do
we
get
our
state
to
a
point
of
thriving
economically,
so
our
numbers
do
include
those
to
make
a
long
story
short.
Thank.
A
And
make
a
quick
comment
on
that:
Dr
Thompson,
you
know
we
did
a
bill
that
actually
helps
to
follow
up
on
those
and
the
technical
skills
and
jobs,
and
so
I
think
that
that
report
is
due
out,
probably
in
the
spring
of
next
year
or
first
go
so
that
that
will
help
identify
some
of
those
areas
that
may
not
have
been
caught.
So
it
is
college,
but
it
also
shows
their
production
and
successfulness
too.
D
Absolutely
and
we
haven't
broken
down
by
all
of
those
by
the
way
thank
God.
We
have
KY
stats
in
the
state
which
is
best
better
than
any
other.
Let
me
just
say
give
them
a
plug
better
than
any
other
thing
at
any
other
state.
We
can
break
down
data
at
levels
that
are
unbelievable
and
all
different
kinds
of
data
by
the
way,
as
we
triangulated
with
their
even
their
health
and
a
variety
of
other
places.
B
Totally
off
track
here,
but
the
the
question
we
just
talked
about
just
finished:
a
clarification
on
the
50
total,
some
percent
of
all
of
the
college
attendants
and
what
trades
vocations?
What
not
are
we
also
doing
or
I
don't
know
about
the
study
if
it's,
including
or
something
you
guys
have
looked
at,
because
I
know
it
starts
walking
outside
of
CPE
a
little
bit,
but
are
we
looking
at
other
people
who
have?
B
Maybe
they
had
a
high
school
education,
but
then
they
have
gotten
a
job
and
they're
very
successful,
and
so
they
just
didn't,
never
really
need
any
of
those
certifications.
I
mean
I'm.
You
know
some
people
start
bagging,
groceries
at
Kroger
and
now
they're
the
executive
level,
but
they
don't.
You
know
that
kind
of
thing.
Are
we,
including
that
because
I'd
like
to
somehow
get
to
the
bottom
of
how
many
people
are
extremely
productive,
with
just
their
high
school
diploma
versus
the
number
who
of
the
40?
Some
percent
are
not
sure.
D
Well,
we've
done
in
Kentucky's
the
first
state
to
do
this
too
I
always
like
to
say
we're
first
and
we've
done
two
return
on
investment
reports
that
track
two
graduating
classes
from
12
eight
years
ago
and
10
years
ago.
Now
that
looked
all
the
way
back
at
every
single
one
of
those
people
that
graduated
from
high
school
see
where
they
went
the
money
they
make
of
what
position
they're
in
we
have
that
those
data.
D
Once
again,
we
when
we
did
our
return
on
investment,
we
didn't
do
it
at
the
macro
level,
which
you
hear
the
Georgetown
study
mentioned
all
the
time
in
DC
they've
done
that
at
a
macro
level,
we
decided
we're
going
to
do
it
at
a
micro
level
and
look
at
every
single
student.
So,
yes,
and
we
triangulate
that
also
with
unemployment
daily,
we
triangulate
that
with
people
that
may
still
be
looking
for
jobs
that
we
don't
know
about.
That's
no
longer
on
unemployment
roles,
we
look
at
our
snap
data.
D
We
look
at
our
other
sorts
of
data
and
trade.
We
even
look
at
our
criminal
justice
data
and
look
at
all
those.
So
we
look
to
see
exactly
where
students
are
we.
What
we'd,
love
to
end
up
doing
obviously,
is
even
have
more
of
a
longitudinal
data,
but
we're
just
now
starting
this
to
look
at
where
they're
at
20
years
from
now
versus,
where
they're
at
in
eight
years
out
what
we
have
currently
in
in
that.
D
So
we
have
that
data
down
to
the
level
once
again,
CPE
folk
I
mean
our
data
people
and
KY
stats.
They
are,
of
course,
we're
all
in
this
together,
so
we're
able
to
look
at
and
that's
what
I
want
to
do.
I
do
I'm
a
statistician
by
trading
jail.
Probably
no,
but
I
do
I.
Do
a
lot
of
Predictive
Analytics
to
figure
out
exactly
what
variables
do
you
need
to
put
in
in
order
to
get
the
outputs
you
need
for
the
overall
Workforce
that
we
need
to
build
the
economy
that
we
need.
D
I
I
think
you
are,
and
let
me
try
to
answer
and
if
I'm
wrong,
I'm
sure
you'll
tell
me
I
am,
but
you
know,
there's
there's
three
things
that
needs
to
be
mentioned.
You
can
do
some
vocational
stuff,
while
you're
still
in
high
school.
We
don't
higher
education,
I,
don't
track
that,
but
K-12
they
do
and
with
KY
stats
they're
in
there.
D
Well
now
what
we
figured
out
in
most
of
those
data
I'll
give
you
just
the
macro
look
at
this:
most
of
those
certificates
are
going
to
need
to
be
stackable
down
the
road
in
order
to
get
that
next
level.
That's
where
kctcs
comes
in,
it
should
be
able
to
build
off
of
that
AC,
ATC
or
CTC
to
build
where
they
can
have.
If
they're
going
to
work
at
the
Ford
plant,
they're,
probably
going
to
need
to
get
an
upgraded
certificate
in
that
area
at
TIG
or
whatever
right.
D
So
what
we
lose,
though
we
look
at,
we
just
did
a
study
to
look
at
even
a
certificates
that
mattered.
So
not
all
certificates,
I'm
going
to
say,
is
carefully
and
we
can
go
down
the
rabbit
hole.
I
know,
that's
not
where
you
want
me
to
go,
but
we're
some
certificates
may
not
be
of
as
much
quality
to
the
overall
need
or
output
based
on
the
amount
of
money
that
they
even
borrow.
D
That's
why
we
have
the
student
right
to
know
representative
McCool,
first
one
in
the
nation,
by
the
way,
just
to
let
you
know,
but
the
idea
that
we
do
track
each
one
of
those
at
the
level
that
they
get
those
to
see
what
the
outcomes
are
now
we're
even
starting
to
get
out
of
state
data
out
of
state
stuff
which
we
hadn't
been
able
to
do
before
the
Clearing
House
has
offered
us
an
opportunity
to
do
that.
But
yes,
we
we
do
that
now.
D
What
we
don't
know
is
over
the
long
term
in
10
years.
Where
is
that
person
at
how
much
money
they
make
at
that
micro
level?
We
haven't
gotten
to
that
point.
Yet
we
don't
have
enough
data
in
our
database
yet
to
do
that,
but
we
do
know
what
they're
making
five
years
out
as
an
example,
we
do
know
how
much
they're
doing
whether
they're
still
employed
and
so
on.
D
E
D
Yeah
in
our
trade
school,
they
are
colleges
so
very
eligible
for
title
of
four,
so
yeah
once
again,
I
don't
distinguish-
or
maybe
this
is
the
nomenclature.
I
don't
distinguish
our
trade
school,
any
difference
than
I
would
UK
or
uofl
they'd
offer
different
things,
but
kctcs.
Each
of
our
16
colleges
to
me
is
one
of
my
colleges
and
so
no
matter
what
they
offer.
They
are
accredited
and
they
are
eligible
for
towel
four,
as
much
as
UK's
degrees
are,
so
there's
no
difference
there.
D
A
Yeah,
thank
you,
Mr
Thompson.
We
have
two
more
comments
or
questions
from
Mr,
Hicks
and
Mr
Atkins
and
then
we'll
move
on.
If
that's
okay,
because
we
need
to
get
the
other
presenters
in
as.
C
Well,
well,
I'm
glad
that
Dr
Thompson
called
out
KY
stats.
Ky
stats
is
an
organization
within
the
education
labor
cabinet,
but
is
Guided
by
an
advisory
committee
that
involves
the
Council
on
post-secondary
aide
at
all
a
post-secondary
and
many
other
elements.
So
we
have
one
of
the
most
advanced
databases
in
the
country
on
Statewide
longitudinal,
Data,
Systems
related
to
education.
So
if
you
want
to
learn
more
about
this,
go
to
KY
stats
online
and
look
the
amount
of
work
they
do
is
amazing.
General
Assembly
has
been
very
supportive
of
that
organization.
C
Are
replacing
lost
federal
funds
to
maintain
their
capacity?
So
it's
it's
just
one
of
the
best
elements,
and
it's
known
Nationwide
by
by
peers,
is
one
of
the
best.
Secondly,
one
of
the
things
that
also
happened
in
this
past
budget
was
a
number
of
of
Workforce
related
initiatives,
one
of
which
is
with
the
Council
on
post-secondary
education,
one
of
which
is
with
kctcs
so
to
think
about
this
more,
even
more
broadly
we're
thinking
more
broadly
now,
as
a
government
in
terms
of
you
know,
of
the
relationship
between
Education
and
Training
and
work.
C
So
so,
there's
a
lot
of
good
efforts
being
moved
forward
and
and
supported
by
you
know
all
elements
of
the
state
leadership
and
then
one
question
for
Sean.
You
mentioned
that
institutional
funds
have
been
put
in
at
about
1.2
billion
toward
asset
preservation
over
what
time
period
between
08.
E
And
22.,
okay,
and
that
doesn't
even
include
some
of
the
the
other
sources
of
funds
guaranteed
Energy
savings
projects.
E
Third
party
Partnerships,
so
the
institutions
really
have
have
done
a
lot
of
work
in
keeping
up
these
State
assets.
A
G
Dr
Thompson,
following
up
on
some
of
the
conversation-
that's
already
happened.
You
know
I'm,
seeing
where
we're
involved
every
day,
a
shifting
curriculum,
a
shift
in
training,
a
shift
in
education.
G
We
see
an
evolving
economy
of
announcements
that
have
been
made
over
the
last,
especially
two
and
a
half
to
three
years,
two
of
the
largest
announcements
made
in
the
state's
history
when
it
comes
to
Economic
Development,
and
that
has
happened
with
teamwork.
It
has
happened
with
bipartisan
support
from
the
administration
to
the
legislature,
Economic
Development
cabinet.
G
We
have
seen
an
unbelievable
attitude
shift
over
the
years
from
the
type
of
education
that
you're
going
to
get,
whether
it's
in
a
profession
four-year
to
Masters
doctorals
whatever
to
that
person
taking
another
track
in
their
in
their
curriculum,
whether
it
be
at
the
high
school
level
and
I
hope.
All
high
schools
are
doing
this
now
identifying
kids
and
trying
to
get
them
on
the
right
career
path.
I
think
it's
critical
for
that.
G
We're
seeing
the
shift
in
in
really
priorities
and
funding
from
recommendations
from
the
governor
to
the
legislature
and
the
legislature
confirming
a
lot
of
those
recommendations.
Last
two
budget
Cycles
over
200
and
some
million
dollars
have
been
approved
for
a
Career
and
Technical
Education
Centers
at
high
schools
across
Kentucky
to
try
to
make
sure
that
we
have
this
pipeline
of
Workforce
that
we
that
we
need
so
badly
not
only
today
but
in
in
the
future.
G
So
so,
as
you
see
that
shift
in
Attitude,
you
know
an
individual
puts
on
a
hard
hat
and
a
pair
of
steel-toed
boots
and
is
able
to
strike
a
a
welding
rod
and
be
able
to
do
that.
Performance
to
me
is
the
same
respect
that
somebody
gets
that's
going
in
an
operating
room
or
going
into
a
technician,
room
or
anything
else
in
the
type
of
work
and
I
think
that's
being
viewed.
That
way.
Now,
I
really
do
I've
seen
that
shift
in
attitude
of
career
paths
that
people
take
and
we
need
all
career
paths.
G
You
know
we
got
a
shortage
of
nurses
of
6
000
in
Kentucky.
We've
got
a
shortage
of
Trades
folks
of
thousands
as
well
and
now
we're
having
numerous
job
announcements
across
Kentucky.
That
is
going
to
be
really
a
good
challenge
for
every
segment
of
Education,
regardless
of
where
Elementary
secondary,
Career
Technical
education,
kctcs
hiring
the
whole
deal
is
going
to
be
really
important.
G
So
so
a
subject
that
we
have
worked
on
for
a
long
time
is
the
subject
of
being
able
to
transfer
credit
hours
and
I
know.
We
got
four-year
institutions
sitting
in
here
along
with
kctcs,
but
the
challenge
continues.
I
think
and
I
hope.
It's
improved,
some
that
that
individual
that
did
go
into
Career
Technical
education
at
the
high
school
level
or
that
individual
that
went
into
a
career
path
at
the
high
school
level
into
the
four-year
institution
or
somebody
that
went
to
kctcs,
with
the
hope
of
transferring
credit
hours
on
to
that
four-year
institution.
I.
G
Think
it's
even
more
important
today
than
it's
ever
been
for
that
pipeline
of
Workforce
that
we're
needing
so
badly
so
I
guess
I'd
like
a
little
bit
of
update
on
that,
because
I
voted
on
legislation
to
help
with
that
process
and
streamline
those
credit
hours
from
one
place
to
the
other,
to
make
sure
students
can
stay
on
track
and
to
make
sure
that
they're
not
not
down
and
said.
No,
that
really
didn't
count
here.
You've
got
to
retake
this
class
here.
Can
you
give
an
update
on
that
question?
I
think
it's
important
to
this
subject.
D
I
actually
think
it
is
and
I
think
it
even
coincides
very
much
with
capital
in
many
ways
a
couple
of
quick
statements
I'll
make
before
I.
Give
you
a
quick
update
on
this
one
is
the
I
I
haven't
seen?
Actually
us
where
I've
been
in
higher
education
for
35
years
I'm,
a
Kentuckian
son
of
a
illiterate
coal,
miner
I
know
the
importance
of
work.
D
I
have
not
seen
us
work
this
way
together
ever
I
mean
when
I
think
of
the
legislature,
when
I
think
of
the
governor's
office
when
I
think
of
our
technical
schools,
our
four-year
institutions
and
our
high
schools.
Doing
that.
So
I
could
talk
an
hour
on
this.
If
you'd
like
for
me,
too
I
will
transfer
in
2010,
we
passed
the
transfer
bill,
I
helped
shape
that,
and
that
is
working
beautifully
when
it
comes
to
what
I
call
those
transfer
courses.
D
If
you
take
a
course
somewhere,
it's
going
to
articulate
or
across
all
of
our
16
community
colleges,
we
just
got
that
in
order.
So
that's
one
of
the
things
you've
heard
what
we
haven't
fully
gotten
order
yet
and
don't
know
fully
how
to
do
this,
yet
just
to
be
straightforward
is
that
many
of
our
four-year
campuses
don't
offer
these
technical
courses
there's
nothing
really
to
transfer
to
it.
D
So
if
we
wanted
to
extend
a
four-year
degree
in
those
highly
technical
fields
on
our
four-year
campus
is
Moorhead
did
our
first
I
think
connection
we're
going
to
have
to
start
building
more
of
what
I
call
those
tech
savvy
four-year
degrees
that
they
can
transfer
into.
So
that's
what
we're
working
on
now.
So
the
hope
is
that
if
you
start
in
high
school
get
some
articulated
credit
to
our
two-year
schools
and
do
that
onto
a
four-year
schools.
D
I
even
like
see
us
do
it
for
things
it's
teacher
education
even
I
mean
so
I
think
this
is
a
new
way
of
thinking
and
just
to
let
you
know,
Kentucky
has
been
written
up
a
lot
here
and
we
were
able
to
pay
a
story
this
morning
where
we
are
sitting
forth.
Some
agenda
items
that
no
other
State's
doing
and
some
of
these
particular
areas,
especially
as
we
connect
higher
education
or
education
as
a
whole
to
the
workforce
and
that
to
the
economy
for
longer
sustainability,
so
you're,
absolutely
right.
D
They
are
there's
one
glitch
that
we're
fixing
hopefully,
and
that
is
that,
if
you
go
into
a
highly
specialized
area
like
nursing,
which
four-year
institutions
have
you
can
move
from
a
RN
to
a
BSN
from
a
two
to
a
four
year.
There
are
sometimes
courses
taken
that
are
a
little
bit
different.
That
aren't
articulating
exactly
in
the
same
way
that
we
need
to
fix
there.
There
are
sometimes
in
some
of
our
cases.
If
you
take
an
English
course,
and
it's
an
honors
English
course
it
may
not,
it
may
not
seamlessly
transfer.
D
These
are
small
glitches
that
we
are
working
on
now.
These
are
items
that
I
think
that
until
we
even
had
the
way
of
thinking
about
this,
we
would
not
have
had
the
way
to
fix
it.
So
we
are
they're
getting
better
all
the
time
we
do
still
have
glitches,
but
most
of
them
lie
within
what
I
call
those
very
highly
accredited
specific
areas,
not
in
the
more
generalized
areas.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
Thompson,
Mr,
Atkins,
I,
guess
we'll
move
on
now
to
the
I
think
we're
finished
with
the
questions
for
this
portion.
You've
got
a
couple
other
presenters
as
well.
Yes,.
A
E
Have
Angie
Martin
and
Kevin
Locke
from
University
of
Kentucky?
A
H
B
B
B
B
B
The
first
principle
is
simply
to
preserve
and
extend
the
useful
life
of
existing
facilities.
The
second
is
to
improve
existing
space
to
serve
our
growing
population.
This
fall
UK
has
enrolled
its
largest
first-year
class
of
more
than
6
000
students,
so
we
are
now
instructing
more
than
33
000
students,
our
largest
enrollment
in
history.
B
The
third
principle
is
to
create
space
for
research
collaboration
due
to
our
growth.
This
fall
UK
added
over
200
new
faculty
members
to
advance
the
University's
instruction,
research,
Service
and
Health
Care
missions.
Our
fourth
principle
is
to
efficiently
manage
repair
maintenance
costs
and
the
fifth
is
to
upgrade
existing
infrastructure
to
improve
Energy,
Efficiency
and
service.
A
We
do
have
a
time
frame
and
I
apologize
for
that.
Could
you
jump
into
like
the
summary
of
your
presentation,
so
we
can.
B
H
There
you
go
yeah
there
we
go,
so
this
is
a
listing
of
the
the
projects
that
we're
we
have
looked
at,
based
on
the
criteria
that
Angie
was
going
over.
We
have
approximately
200
million
dollars
over
two
years
for
this
biennium
and
I'll
go
over
three
of
these
projects
in
a
little
bit
more
detail
here,
I
want
to
kind
of
put
out
there
that
this
is
our
current
plan.
There
is
so
much
volatility
in
the
construction
market
right
now
that
there
are
things
that
are
going
to
be
beyond
our
control.
H
So
as
adjustments
are
needed,
we
will.
We
will
update
this
as
we
move
forward
and
before
I
get
into
some
of
the
specifics
of
the
slides.
I.
Don't
have
a
slide
for
infrastructure
work
here,
but
I
want
to
emphasize
the
importance
of
that
I,
don't
want
to
show
you
a
slide
or
picture
of
open
trenches
or
switch
gear
panels,
or
anything
like
that,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
that's
not
a
very
important
part
of
the
utilization
of
this
money.
H
So
we
have
several
several
projects
that
we
have
looked
at
from
an
infrastructure
standpoint
and
if
you'll
bear
with
me
just
a
little
bit
here,
we
have
a
variety
of
ADA
issues
across
the
campus
that
we're
going
to
be
addressing
with
this
money.
We
have
electrical
distribution
projects
at
Mi,
King,
Library,
t.h,
Morgan
and
Taylor
Ed
that
we're
going
to
be
addressing.
H
We
have
utility
distribution
over
10
million
dollars
slated
for
work
over
our
campus
for
steam,
chilled
water
for
duct
banks
for
sanitary
storm
water
infrastructure,
and
we
also
have
building
envelope
issues
that
we're
going
to
be
addressing
with
this
money
at
Lafferty
Hall,
the
Fine
Arts
Building,
Castle
Hall,
as
well
as
Breckenridge
Hall.
So
that's
a
very
important
aspect
of
this
and
I
wanted
to
get
that
in
there,
because
it
is
such
an
important
aspect
of
this.
H
One
of
our
projects
that
I'm
extremely
excited
about
is
Whitehall,
classroom,
building
and
I.
Don't
know
if
any
of
you
have
ever
been
into
that
building.
It
was
built
in
1969
over
98
of
the
first
two
years
of
our
undergraduates
go
to
classes
at
Whitehall.
Classroom
building,
it
is
probably
doesn't
have
the
best
reputation
on
campus.
It
is
dark,
it
is
inflexible,
and
so
what
I'm
very
excited
about
here
is
for
us
to
be
able
to
renovate
this
building
so
that
it
is
taking
21st,
Century,
Learning
environments
and
inserting
it
into
this
building.
H
It's
upgrading
the
HVAC
system,
the
electrical
system,
it's
taking
care
of
some
of
the
natural
light
that
we
don't
have
in
the
space,
so
it
is
truly
an
insta
inspirational
building
for
us
to
be
able
to
take
this
building
and
and
bring
it
into
the
21st
century
from
the
pedagogy
standpoint,
so
we're
planning
on
83
million
dollars
for
this
project
we
are
are
in
design
at
this
point
in
time,
we'll
be
actually
selecting
a
design
team
for
this
project
very
soon.
So
this
is.
This
is
something
to
think
about.
H
Another
project
I
wanted
to
talk
about
as
well.
1909
Pence
Hall
was
constructed.
Very
little.
Improvements
have
been
done.
Last
major
Improvement
was
in
1964..
This
is
currently
the
location
of
our
College
of
design.
They
are
moving
into
a
new
facility,
so
we're
taking
this
opportunity
to
renovate
this
space
and
also
do
some
of
the
things
that
I
talked
about
with
flexibility
in
classrooms
and
pedagogy,
and
so
we're
very
excited
about
this
as
well.
We
do
have
some
significant
repairs
to
the
exterior
masonry.
H
The
roofing
of
this,
as
well
as
the
HVAC
system
that
we
would
like
to
take
care
of,
and
the
last
project
I
wanted
to
delve
into
here-
is
the
multi-disciplinary
science
building
MDS.
This
project
specifically,
is
for
the
fifth
floor,
and
this
is
unique,
because
this
is
going
to
be
a
collaboration.
This
space
is
going
to
be
used
by
both
the
College
of
Health
Sciences,
as
well
as
the
College
of
Nursing.
They
have
expansion
needs
that
we
need
to
take
care
of
immediately.
H
So
this
is
one
of
those
projects
where
we
can
renovate
that
floor
provide
the
flexible
classrooms.
The
large
classroom
space
as
well
as
well
as
simulation
labs
in
this
Improvement
we're
also
taking
a
look
at
HVAC
and
electrical
upgrades
as
well.
So
those
are
just
three
of
the
projects
that
we're
very
excited
about
and-
and
we
certainly
appreciate
everything
that
the
legislature
has
done
to
us.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation
do
appreciate
it.
It's
it's
very
well
presented
and
certainly
appreciate
the
handouts
which
they
provided
for
us.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
about
asset
preservations.
C
Representative,
thank
you,
Mr,
chairman
good,
to
see
my
friend
Dr
Thompson,
always
as
we
are
discussing
you
know,
going
through
the
design
process,
so,
like
I,
believe
your
first
project.
It
was
wanting
to
allow
more
natural
light
and
I
assume
this
I'm
just
out
of
my
depth
here,
but
as
school
safety
continues
to
be
a
concern
as
we're
designing
these
projects
are.
Is
that
being
kept
in
mind
as
we
go
through
the
design
process
on
these
projects?
Absolutely.
H
Yes,
that
that's
something
that
we
do
a
safety
assessment
of
these
buildings
when
we
go
into
the
design,
so
that
is
part
of
the
design
component.
We
do
want
to
make
sure
that
these
buildings
have
the
appropriate
controls
that
they
need
from
not
only
you
know,
being
able
to
entrance
enter
into
the
building,
but
security
vestibule
type
Arrangements.
When
we
can,
when
we
can
do
that
excellent.
A
D
Just
Murray,
State
I
think.
I
I
Click
through
here,
thank
you,
okay,
you
all
have
the
numbers
in
front
of
you
and
I
know.
President
Thompson
went
through
these
as
well
and
and
Sean,
but
they,
the
house
bill,
one
asset
preservation,
funding
for
Murray
State
for
the
bienium
was
47.1
Million,
Murray
States,
15
percent
match
using
agency
bonds
is
a
little
over
7
million,
which
gave
us
a
total
of
54.2
million
and
again,
thank
you.
General
Assembly,
this
funding
was
important,
is
important
and
will
help
us
begin
to
catch
up
with
the
stewardship
of
our
Collective
State
assets.
I
So
we
truly
appreciate
that,
in
terms
of
our
top
priorities
for
Murray
State,
we
are
100
years
old
this
year.
This
is
our
Centennial
year,
so
the
first
priority
is
capital
renewal
and
building
modernization,
taking
care
of
some
of
our
historic
buildings,
many
of
which
go
back
to
70
80,
even
100
years
old.
I
Also,
we
wanted
to
renovate
the
Oakley
applied
science
building
classrooms
and
in
large
space
for
the
Hudson
School
of
Agriculture,
which
is
located
in
Oakley,
currently,
and
also
renovate
Mason,
Hall,
Labs
classrooms
and
systems
for
our
school
of
nursing
and
Health
Professions.
The
legislature
provided
Murray
State,
a
new
school
of
nursing
building
that
was
in
the
state
budget,
which
was
greatly
needed
and,
as
you'll
see
a
photo
of
our
current
school
of
nursing
building,
but
we
are
going
to
continue
to
expand
nursing.
I
I
I
won't
go
through
all
of
these
photos
in
lieu
of
time,
but
just
to
show
you
some
of
our
infrastructure
projects.
This
is
in
Waterfield
Library.
This
is
an
eight,
our
current
HVAC
system
that
we
will
be
replacing
using
this
asset
preservation
funding
car
haul.
This
is
another
HVAC
project
and
there
will
be
other
maintenance
issues
that
we're
going
to
be
working
on
with
this
asset
preservation.
Funding
in
car
Hall,
roof
issues
like
I
said,
as
well
as
the
HVAC
curse
Center.
I
This
is
a
photo
of
our
Student
Center
air,
handler
seals
and
other
items
to
that
building.
This
is
our
most
visited.
Building
on
campus
students
come
here
for
campus
tours.
Students
use
this
facility
for
meeting
spaces,
so
a
vital
building
to
our
campus
cfsb
Center
also
has
cooling
tower
Replacements.
This
is
where
we
hold
our
basketball
games
and
other
really
Regional
events
and
community
events
are
held
here.
I
Racer
Arena,
the
old
basketball
arena,
which
secretary
Hicks
and
Mr
Atkins
has
spent
quite
a
bit
of
time
in
over
the
years,
but
this
is
now
we've
retrofitted
it
to
be
our
volleyball
court
and
Arena,
but
also
again
HVAC
Replacements
and
all
of
these
historic
buildings.
Racer
arena
is
also
in
the
very
back
of
car
Hall,
which
again
dates
back
to
60
70
years
Ada
access.
This
is
Mason
Hall,
the
current
school
of
nursing
building.
I
We
have
Ada
access
issues
and
all
of
these
historic
buildings
that
we're
going
to
be
addressing
with
this
asset
preservation
funding
again
generators,
elevators
Chiller
boilers,
all
those
issues.
This
is
the
Oakley
applied
science
building
where
our
Hudson
School
of
Agriculture
is
located
and
again
Ada
issues,
HVAC
electrical
systems
that
we
look
forward
to
replacing
with
this
asset
preservation,
funding
and,
lastly,
I'll
just
say
again,
thank
you
to
the
legislature
and
we
are
experiencing
what
I
know.
I
President
Thompson
Sean
University
of
Kentucky
mentioned
we're
experiencing
cost
increases
since
we
bid
these
projects
out
delays,
labor
shortages,
so
the
scope
of
these
projects
are
having
to
be
greatly
curtailed,
but
this
funding
is
still
allowing
us
to
address
some
much
needed
issues
in
these
buildings.
So
with
that
chair,
McCool,
chair,
Southworth,
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions.
A
A
Again,
please
introduce
yourself,
make
sure
your
microphone's
on
a
little
close
to
you,
and
if
you
don't
mind
you
shortening
summary
of
it
off
it's
okay,.
J
Thank
you
so
much
very
quickly:
I'm
Andy
Casper
I'm,
the
assistant
vice
president
of
facilities
and
support
services
for
kctcs.
J
And
I'm
going
to
briefly
make
this
as
brief
as
possible.
Our
situation
is
that
we
are
16
colleges
on
70
campuses,
there's
about
330
buildings
in
in
multiple
locations
throughout
the
state.
So
our
our
situation
is
where
we're
not
dealing
with
one
campus
but
a
lot.
So
we
have
tried
to
take
this
much
welcomed
and
much
appreciated,
she's
working
on
that,
but
much
appreciated
money
to
get
the
bang
for
the
buck
that
we
needed
to
get
in
the
majority
of
our
campuses.
J
So
we
looked
at
significant
issues
that
we
have
in
a
lot
of
different
places.
You
know
we
haven't
had
much
funding
of
this
type
to
use
before,
so
it
was
very
welcome
and
we
will
use
it
to
the
greatest
extent
possible.
J
Okay,
sorry
going
to
the
next
next
slide,
so
cynic,
significant
part
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
to
address
issues
that
affect
not
only
the
building
currently
and
the
the
atmosphere
for
students
now,
but
will
give
us
long-term
benefits
so
we're
doing
a
lot
of
roof
replacement
projects,
we're
doing
a
lot
of
HVAC
Life
Safety
projects.
So
every
every
campus
most
buildings
on
every
campus.
J
In
our
system
will
be
getting
upgrades
to
Life
Safety,
so
fire
alarm
systems
and
things
like
that
as
far
as
HVAC
we've
concentrated
on
a
number
of
campuses
that
have
opportunities
to
save
us
energy
consumption
in
the
future.
Although
we've
done
a
lot
of
espc
projects
and
things
like
that,
we
are
taking
this
money
and
putting
it
to
the
best
use.
We
can
so
that
we
not
only
get
the
benefit
of
the
money
we
have
now,
but
we
can
extend
it
further.
J
Go
ahead,
I'm
gonna
just
speed
up
here,
so
the
impact
is
that
we
were.
We
were
able
right
now.
We've
identified
every
project
that
was
in
our
budget
request
for
the
current
fiscal
year.
J
We
are
going
to
accomplish
every
project
on
that
list
and
of
course
you
know
we
that's
our
plan
and
then
I'll
also
look
at
what
other
projects
that
we
had
in
our
six-year
plan
that
are
the
next
in
line
to
go
ahead
and
try
to
accomplish
that
as
best
we
can
and
combining
some
things
so
that
we,
instead
of
doing
part
of
an
upgrade
to
a
building
now
and
then
do
another
part
later.
J
If
we
can
do
it
all
together
with
this,
because
we
have
this
funding,
we're
able
to
to
improve
our
cost
for
that
specific
project,
so
we're
doing
that
so
in
our
in
the
future,
our
six
year
plan
is
going
to
change
that
we
will.
J
We
still
are
going
to
have
about
310
million
dollars
worth
of
deferred
maintenance
that
we
would
like
to
accomplish
at
some
point,
but
by
doing
the
200
million
dollars
that
we
have
available
here
coming
off
that
those
projects
can
move
up,
which
will
also
give
us
the
benefit
of
not
just
relying
on
agency,
restricted
funds
and
donations
to
make
improvements
to
technology
so
that
we
can
train
the
workforce
for
tomorrow,
but
we're
going
to
be
able
to
maybe
get
some
of
those
into
the
six
year
plan
and
do
them
more
logically
and
and
more
planning-wise
go
ahead.
J
Send
me
and
I'm
going
as
fast
as
I
can
so
I
just
want
to
highlight
three
of
the
projects
and
I
have
several
photographs
from
it.
This
is
at
Hopkinsville,
Community
College,
it's
one
of
the
most
significant.
It's
the
academic
building
there
we're
going
to
spend
about
3.9
million
dollars
there.
It
is
one
of
the
most
important
buildings
on
campus
every
student
that
goes
through
Hopkinsville
ends
up
in
that
building.
At
some
point
it's
from
the
1960s,
so
it's
switch
gear
is
dated.
It's
HVAC
systems
are
dated.
J
The
finishes
are
dated,
so
we
are
concentrating
on
bringing
all
those
systems
up
to
current
codes
and
making
life
a
little
bit
easier,
we're
doing
a
little
bit
of
adjustment
of
spaces
just
because
we've
learned
over
the
years.
We
need
different
configurations,
but
not
a
lot
of
that.
We're
trying
to
focus
it
on
what
makes
this
building
get
to
the.
G
J
Great
we're
looking
forward
to
that.
Actually,
you
know
we
are
working
on
the
Glenville
Glendale
battery
plant
so
that
this
is
perfect
for
us,
but
that
building
is
very
important
so
we're
that
was
the
most
significant
impact
we
could
do
to
that
campus.
So,
even
though
we're
doing
some
other
projects
there,
this
is
the
major
one
going
to
the
next.
The
the
next
is
just
a
series
of
roof
projects.
J
Of
course,
if
you
don't
repair
the
roof,
then
other
things
happen
to
your
building,
so
we're
being
able
to
take
advantage
of
this
money
to
get
all
of
those
that
were
on
our
six-year
plan,
hopefuls
taken
care
of,
and
you
know,
roof
Replacements
and
things
like
that
are
easy
to
get
donations
for
so
we're
we're
really
looking
to
use
this
money
that
way.
The
third
one
is
at
Jefferson.
It's
it's
one.
That's
a
little
bit
odd
from
the
others.
J
It's
a
12-story
tower
that
houses
all
the
science
labs
and
significant
classrooms
for
our
downtown
campus,
and
we
have
done
a
study
and
hope
to
renovate
this.
In
fact
that
the
hope
of
renovating
this
building
has
been
going
on
for
about
four
or
five
biennium,
and
we
we
never
can
quite
get
the
funding
together
to
do
it.
The
college
has
tried
to
put
their
resources
to
it,
we're
just
not
there.
So
we
did
a
new
study
trying
to
see
what
we
would
need.
J
Our
Consultants
after
almost
a
year-long
study
have
determined
that
this
building
has
such
significant
issues,
not
only
HVAC
Plumbing
structural
seismic.
A
whole
lot
of
issues
like
that
that
are
really
almost
nearly
impossible
to
overcome.
J
We
are
actually
looking
to
build
a
new
building
across
the
street
for
the
science
labs
and
classrooms
with
this
asset
preservation
money,
because
we
we
just
really
have
to
get
out
of
this
building
and
then
in
in
the
years
to
come.
We
will
take
this
building
down
and
build
a
classroom
building
that
serves
the
other
things
there,
but
it
it's
not.
J
Nor
you
know
you
don't
normally
think
of
asset
preservation
as
tearing
an
existing
building
down,
but
in
this
case
it's
about
70
percent
less
expensive
to
do
it
this
way
than
it
would
be
to
try
to
save
a
building
that
would
even
if
we
saved
it,
would
not
meet
the
needs
that
we
actually
have.
So
there
would
always
be
compromises.
So
again,
I
just
want
to
thank
the
general
assembly
for
the
asset
preservation
money.
It
is
very
important
to
us
and
we're
going
to
make
use
of
every
penny
that
we
can.
J
As
other
others
have
said,
the
construction
Market
is
plagued
right
now
with
a
supply
chain
issues
and
with
labor
issues,
and
so
we're
seeing
projects
that
are
coming
in.
And
it's
it's
odd,
because
this
is
such
a
wide
range
that
you
think
well
can't
somebody
estimate
better
than
that,
but
you
just
can't
two.
Until
midday
we'll
have
projects
come
on
50,
15
percent,
under
our
estimates
and
30
percent
over
our
estimates,
and
the
estimates
are
being
provided
by
people
who
normally
are
pretty
close
to
right
on
the
spot.
J
So
that's
how
much
volatility
is
in
the
market
so
part
of
that?
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
we're
looking
at
our
projects
in
the
timing
and
scheduling
of
all
these
projects
that
we're
trying
to
accomplish
looking
at
the
area
that
they're
being
accomplished
in
and
trying
to
schedule
these
so
that
we
hit
the
market
at
the
right
time.
You
know
if
you,
if
you
hit
a
market
when
there's
a
whole
lot
of
construction
underway,
your
prices
go
up.
J
If
you
can
hit
it
at
a
time
when
there's
a
little
lag,
so
we're
really
looking
closely
at
all
of
the
different
areas
that
we
deal
with,
which
are
Statewide
and
trying
to
take
advantage
of
that.
We've
been
a
little
successful
so
far
with
projects
that
weren't
asset
preservation
and
so
we're
looking
as
we
move
these
through
trying
to
do
the
same
thing.
J
J
My
Hope
Is
that
we
do
it
well
enough
that
we
end
up
being
able
to
go
ahead
and
take
care
of
some
things
that
will
come
back
to
CPE
and
ask
for
permission
to
do
to
better
utilize.
This
fund
These
funds,
we'll
at
the
end
of
the
day,
as
I
said
before,
we'll
end
up
with
about
310
million
dollars
worth
of
projects
that
we
still
need
to
do
after
this.
But
that's
where
we
are
so
that
was
fast
enough.
D
Chair
southwards,
chairman,
cool
I,
do
want
to
say
this
quickly
and
kctcs
is
a
good
example
of
this.
You
know
you
all
provided
some
money
for
new
buildings
too,
that
were
severely
needed
for
the
future
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
and
how
we're
trying
to
build
this
just
in
time
with
the
lack
of
a
better
phrasing
just
in
time
need
that
much
of
our
economic
developments
bring
into
us,
but
we're
also
trying
to
is
on
it
for
the
future.
So
I
know
this
is
about
asset
preservation.
D
We
always
appreciating
CPE
brought
this
as
number
one,
but
the
idea
that
we
do
need
new
buildings
and
we
did
look
with
this
asset
preservation
mine
if
it
would
cost
less
to
get
rid
of
a
building
and
build
one
for
the
future,
then
we
were
going
with
that
as
a
cost
savings,
but
yet
thinking
about
what
it
meant
for
our
Workforce
and
the
needs
that
we
have
now
so
I
did
want
to
throw
that
in.
In
addition,.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
presentation.
I,
don't
see
any
questions
or
comments,
but
so
Dr
Thompson
I
want
to
thank
you
and
certainly
all
the
presenters
today.
I
know
what
we've
done
in
the
past
hasn't
fully
taken
care
of
everything,
but
at
the
same
time
I
think
it's
a
good
start,
and
we
should
continue
on
that
and
and
so
and
you're
right
I've
dealt
with
that.
Sometimes
it's
actually
cheaper
to
go
ahead
and
tear
a
building
down
and
build
a
new
one
that
is
to
renovate
it
because
of
all
the
restrictions
in
it.
A
So
thank
you
all
for
your
time
today.
Here
you
have
questions.
Oh
and
we've
got
another
presenter
coming
up
in
just
a
minute
Katie.
Thank
you
so
much
Dr
thank.
D
C
K
Sir
Shay
Ritter
with
the
Kentucky
Department
of
Education,
thank
you
and,
with
your
permission,
chair
I'd
like
to
invite
Mr
Akers
from
the
Kentucky
Center
for
school
safety
table.
Please
Mr.
Akers
time
is
very
limited
if
it's
okay
with
the
chair,
I'd
like
for
him
to
go
over
a
few
things
with
you
all
know,
the
last
meeting
I
was
here
virtually
back
way
back
in
July,
which
is
a
lifetime
ago
in
school
facilities.
As
you
know,
we've
had
floods
in
Eastern
Kentucky
a
special
session.
K
L
I'm
John
Akers,
the
director
of
the
Kentucky
Center
for
school
safety
and
I'm
on
a
national
panel
in
a
few
minutes
here
and
I
talked
to
the
chair,
there
and
I
said,
give
me
about
20
minutes
and
he
said
he'll
give
me
20
minutes,
so
I
don't
have
to
rush.
Thank
you
here.
So
I
just
want
to
set
the
record
straight
on
that.
Thank.
K
You
I
know
one
concern:
I,
think
that
we
all
have
is
about
school
security
and
school
safety.
Representative
Lewis's
question
earlier
I
thought
he
was
asking
me.
I
woke
up
out
of
my
Daydream
and
thought
I'd
better
answer
this
question.
It's
the
same
question
we
struggle
with
in
school
facilities.
How
do
you
make
a
building,
secure
and
safe
for
all
students
and
I
will
say
we
have
a
Beyond,
wonderful
working
relationship
with
Kentucky
Center
for
school
safety.
Frequently
they
will
have
questions
for
us.
K
We
will
have
questions
for
them
to
say
that
we
talk
quite
often
with
them
as
an
understatement.
We
enjoy
our
relationship
with
them.
We
enjoy
their
input
recently.
We're
revamping
our
2008
planning
manual,
we're
a
few
years
behind
and
part
of
that
revamp
is
taking
school
security
input
from
the
Kentucky
Center
for
school
safety
and
applying
that
into
that
planning
manual
and
I'll.
Give
you
a
life
example:
a
real
live
example,
or
what
they
call
aquariums,
which,
in
my
old
high
school,
the
library,
was
fully
class.
K
That's
not
a
great
security
thing
in
a
high
school,
so
balconies,
and
things
like
that.
So
as
these
designers
and
Architects
are
looking
at
designing
a
school
they're,
considering
much
like
the
gentleman
from
UK
mentioned,
how
do
we,
you
know,
build
a
safer
environment
going
forward?
You
know
in
2008
many
things
were
different,
then,
and
of
course
when
I
was
in
high
school
back
in
1991,
many
things
are
very
different
back
then
too,
so
I'd
like
Mr
Akers.
If
you
could
just
to
kind
of
explain
what
they
do
at
the
Kentucky
Center
for
school
safety.
L
Oh,
in
a
brief
nutshell,
we
coordinate
any
of
our
efforts
with
the
Department
of
Education
and
now
with
the
office
of
state
school
security
marshal
when
it
comes
to
any
of
these
issues.
Here
back
after
the
shooting
that
they
had
at
Newtown,
Connecticut
Senator
Wilson
was
the
chair
of
the
education
committee
and
he
came
to
me
said
what
can
we
do
and
I
gave
him
some
suggestions?
L
One
of
them
was
look
at
putting
septed
crime
prevention
through
environmental
design,
on
the
docket,
for
consideration
to
see
before
schools
build
anything
or
before
they
get
into
any
kind
of
renovation.
Look
at
some
of
these
criteria
on
keeping
keeping
the
buildings
secure
and
keeping
the
kids
secure
through
crime
prevention
through
environmental
design
that
was
rolled
into
the
law.
L
And
then
we
worked
with
our
friends
over
here
at
the
Department
of
Education
and
came
up
with
about
25
different
indicators
that
that
Architects
are
to
consider,
along
with
Boards
of
Education,
when
planning
out
any
kind
of
new
facilities.
And
so,
as
far
as
our
centers
for
school
safety
is
concerned,
that's
what
we
do.
A
Thank
you,
I
think
that
was
one
of
the
questions
we
had
was
are
the
safety
and
the
construction,
whether
it's
renovation
or
new
construction?
Are
you
working
together
and
if
I'm
hearing
that
you
are
definitely.
L
A
K
You
appreciate
it
John,
so
if
I
may
Mr
chair,
there's
also
a
question
to
further
refine.
If
you
recall
in
the
last
meeting
in
July,
we
spoke
about
the
cost
of
inflation
and
construction
projects,
which
my
predecessors
were
also
speaking
on
the
same
exact
topic
and
we
came.
K
We
wanted
to
get
a
list
together
of
active
projects
for
districts
who
had
had
what
we
call
the
multiple
nickels,
and
if
you
recall
these
were
local
tax
levies
which
were
restricted
to
facilities,
funding
and
due
to
inflation,
they
had
maxed
out
their
bonding
potential.
They
couldn't
really
borrow
much
more
and
they
sort
of
hit
that
precipice
of
you
know.
This
project
has
exceeded
our
ability
to
pay.
K
So
we
sent
a
survey
out
to
about
122
districts
and
sort
of
kept
refining
it
to
get
it
Whittle
it
down
to
this
smaller
group
of
districts
that
met
that
criteria
and
in
some
cases
we
were
getting
feedback
from
districts.
They've,
you
know
got
many
projects
planned
or
they've
held
back
quite
a
bit,
because
the
cost
of
construction
that
was
expected
and
much
like
sort
of
like
our
housing
market.
K
There's
I'm
sure
there
are
people
who
thought
about
building
a
new
house,
and
then
they
look
at
the
cost
and
said
we
might
want
to
wait
and
there
some
may
be
waiting
to
see
if
the
prices
start
to
go
down
on
still
material
labor
Etc.
Of
course,
we're
still
hearing
the
same
information
we
heard
back
in
July,
which
is
the
labor
Market's.
Very
tight
construction
companies
are
very,
very
busy
and,
of
course,
I'm
sure.
If
you
called
any
school
district
in
in
the
state,
they
tell
you
the
same
thing
that
the
costs
have
really
exceeded.
K
You
know
what
we
would
consider
our
normal
expectations
of
just
usual
cost
and,
of
course,
with
the
floods
in
Eastern
Kentucky.
This
creates
again
another
issue
which
is
you
now
have
a
higher
demand
in
that
area.
To
get
these
students
back
in
school,
which
I
think
I
read
this
morning,
that
Perry
County
is
sending
some
of
their
students
over
to
another
school
building
and
to
their
credit,
the
district's
very
Nimble.
They
just
didn't
close
up
shop,
they're
still
going
to
teach
kids
they're
doing
what
they
can
and
to
get
them
in
safe
buildings.
K
But
the
future
to
rebuild
is
the
labor
market
again
is
tight,
the
cost
of
materials
is
up
and
they
will
deal
with.
You
know
what
UK
mentioned
and
kctcs
is
the
cost
of
definitely
gone
up.
So
the
list
I
provided.
The
committee
is
basically
a
snapshot
in
time,
which
was
back
probably
in
August
or
thereabouts.
So
if
you
redid
this
list
in
six
months,
the
prices
will
probably
change
again.
I
would
guess
it
will
move
just
like
the
stock
market.
It
will
be
fairly
erratic.
A
A
In
some
cases,
where
you've
had
an
overpopulation
for
the
building,
so
maybe
the
old
building
was
designed
for
400
students
and
now
they're
serving
900
certainly
would
be
a
qualifier
to
why
even
need
a
new
school
but
you're,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
all
these
are
on
this
list
here
have
done
the
the
Double
Nickel.
Yes,.
K
Or
more
or
more
yes,
yes
or
more,
every
district
has
that
facility
support
program
of
Kentucky
nickel,
that's
a
mandatory
about
statute
and
then
beyond
that
some
of
these
will
have
What's
called
the
recallable
nickel.
Mr
Hicks
is
sitting
in
front
of
me
here.
He
and
I
have
had
conversations
about
Nichols
for
a
few
times
a
few
times
during
the
budget
process,
but
there's
also
some
older
nickels
called
growth
nickels.
These
were
back
probably.
A
K
K
K
Have,
of
course,
the
multiple
nickels
like
the
recallable
in
the
case
of
I'll
just
grab
one
out
of
here.
Breathit
county
has
a
recallable
nickel
as
well
on
top
of
their
mandatory
facility
support
program
of
Kentucky.
A
Necklace,
so
maybe
you
can
help
me
out
on
this,
because
what
I've
got
you
is
the
original
growth
nickel,
then
I've
got
the
equalized
growth,
nickel
and
then
I've
got
the
recallable,
nickel
and
and
of
course,
in
my
mind,
which
I
may
be
way
off
face
here,
the
the
original
one
was
just
something
that
I
thought.
Basically
all
of
them
had,
but
then
the
two
that
I
was
looking
at
was
the
equalized
growth,
nickel
and
the
recallable
nickel.
But
that's
not
the
one
and
two.
K
Right,
the
original
growth
was
the
first
growth
nickel
of
two.
So
over
time,
the
general
assembly
wrote
legislation
in
the
mid-2000s
that
the
original
growth
was
a
handful
of
districts.
They
came
back
a
session
or
two
later
and
wrote
another
one.
Basically,
another
growth,
nickel,
a
second
growth
nickel.
The
naming
Convention
of
these
is
very
confusing.
A
K
K
All
right
so
I
know
who
to
blame
now
and
I
still
laugh
about
the
disagreement
yeah.
We.
E
A
Do
we
have
any
questions
or
comments
from
the?
Are
you
ready
for
questions
now
from
the
committee
and
I?
Had
you
know,
you've
answered
mine
because
I
had
I
pulled
up.
An
old
website
evidently
in
in
some
of
these,
are,
are
not
listed
as
having
the
nickels
and,
and
some
of
them
are
so
but
you're
saying
all
that
you
provided
us.
Yes
have
done
the
it's,
the
recallable
nickel,
the
second
nickel.
It.
K
Can
be
for
some
districts
and
I'll
give
you
an
example:
breathit
county
has
a
facility
support
program
on
Kentucky
nickel,
which
is
also
known
as
fspk
and
not
terribly
long
ago,
I'd
say
less
than
six
years
ago,
or
so
they
levied
another
nickel,
which
was
the
recallable.
So
that's
two
for
breathit
County
and
some
districts
over
time.
Odom
is
a
great
example.
K
They
were
one
of
the
original
growth
districts,
so
they've
got
some
additional
tax
levies
for
that
growth,
and
then
years
later
they
did
another
one
because
they
were
still
growing
in
Oldham
County
and
at
that
at
the
time
you
could
see
the
pattern
which
was
these
are
areas
that
were
growing
very,
very
fast
Northern,
Kentucky,
et
cetera,
where
you
would
expect
growth,
Bowling,
Green,
Warren
County
today
would
be
our
growth
districts.
In
that
sense,.
A
K
We
can
we
can
look
at
different
methods
of
prioritizing
based
on
you
know
the
facility
that
they're,
replacing
or
renovating
there's
a
ranking
system
in
something
called
it's
Kentucky
facilities,
inventory
classification
system
that
the
general
assembly
helped
us
get
started
a
couple
years
back.
Not
all
districts
participate
in
that
it's
not
mandatory,
but
it
is
what
it
says.
It
is
it's
an
inventory
system,
so
these
buildings
are
classified
and
you'll
have
a
ranking
system
in
there.
A
A
And-
and
maybe
that's
something
we
can
look
at
in
in
the
future
on
this
and
and
what
we
ultimately
want
to
do
is
I
think
we
all
want
to
come
up
to
a
place
where
we
can
help
these
schools
continue
on
their
efforts,
so
they
can
get
the
buildings
done
and
get
students
in
in
the
classrooms.
A
What
we
don't
want
to
do
is
present
money
out
there
and
then
you're
waiting
five
years
from
now
to
even
start
construction.
So
we're
missing,
so
how
do
we?
How
do
we
fix
that,
and
so
we
can
prioritize
use
some
criteria
like
that
and
and
make
this
you've
already
got
like
the
the
Double
Nickel
applied
to
this
so
make
sure
we
use
that
as
a
base,
and
then
everything
else
applies
to
that.
Certainly
entertaining
questions
comments
and,
if
I'm
off
base,
let
me
know
that's:
okay,.
F
Thank
you,
representative,
McCool
I
agree
with
everything
representative,
but
cool
says
we.
We
need
to
try
to
find
a
way
to
make
these
projects
happen.
F
I
guess
one
question
I
have
and
I
mean
it
seems
like
some
of
the
I
mean
obviously
everything's
gone
up,
I
mean
we're
dealing
a
period
of
rampant
inflation,
but
I
mean
some
of
the
costs
here
seem
like
that.
They've
got
a
even
much
faster
than
what
we're
seeing
out
of
you
know
the
reports
out
of
Washington
and
everything.
Would
you
have
an
explanation
for
that
exactly
when.
K
We,
when
we
sit
at
the
survey
in
some
cases
we
feel
like
you
know
the
Architects
usually
provide
you
know,
there's
different
rounds
of
estimates.
You
know
the
first
round
is
what
we
would
call
a
little
looser.
You
know
and
it
gets
refined
as
the
process
goes
on
and
we
accept
that
for
what
it
is.
It's
an
estimate
I
feel
like
in
the
survey
we
sent
out.
You
know
we
try
to
get
them
to
pin
down
a
pretty
firm
number
with
respect
to
you
know.
K
None
of
them
can
guess
what
it
looks
like
tomorrow.
A
lot
of
these
projects
have
not
you
know
what
we
would
say:
Broken
Ground
they're
in
the
either
really
far
into
the
planning
stages
and
stuff.
So
I,
don't
really
have
a
specific
answer.
You
know
and
I
notice
the
same
thing
you
know
in
some
districts
and
we
expected
some
of
that.
Your
mileage
may
vary
by
District.
Some
of
these
projects,
They
removed
quite
a
bit
to
get
it
under
budget
yeah.
K
I
know
Menifee
County
who's,
not
on
this
list,
but
their
central
office
they'd
remove
the
basement
in
order
to
fit
this
under
their
bonding
potential,
and
that
told
me
immediately
that
you
know
this
is
kind
of
the
shape.
We're
in
right
now
is
districts
having
to
make
those
decisions.
Your
local
boards
are
so
I
think
through
further
refinement,
and
once
you
get
that
list
and
say
you
want
to
prioritize
it,
we
can
keep
going
back
and
checking
repeatedly
to
say
where's
your
estimate
now
you
know,
is
it
lower
higher?
K
You
know
where's
that
at
to
pin
it
down
a
little
tighter.
Typically,
if
we
have
a
project
anywhere,
you
know
that
first
estimate,
you
know
quite
frankly,
I
know
they
pay
attention
to
it,
but
we
expect
some
pretty.
You
know
not
wild
swings,
but
in
a
normal
year
you
expect
some
differences
in
the
refined
estimate.
The
construction
companies
will
tell
you
this
is
what
still
is
going
to
cost
and
they
get
that
estimate
further
refined
and
eventually,
once
it
takes
off,
they
have
a
you
know,
pretty
good
estimate.
K
You
know
comfortable
what
I
would
say
a
comfortable
estimate,
although
it
may
be
higher
or
lower
in
some
cases.
It's
you
know,
they're
pretty
firm
on
it,
and
our
construction
companies
and
Architects
are
very
good
at
this.
You
know
obviously
I'm
not
a
construction
company
or
an
architect
and
don't
want
to
get
into
that
business,
but
I
think
they
do
a
really
nice
job
of
helping
these
districts
understand.
You
know
to
keep
cost
under
control
and
to
deliver
these.
You
know
facilities
either
under
budget
or
close
to
it.
F
K
K
What
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
to
put
our
thumb
on
what
this
cost
is
really
doing
and
I
think
as
time
goes
on
these
projects,
the
estimates
get
Tighter
and
Tighter
and
Tighter,
so
I
think
we
can
get
but
I
agree
with
you
I
think
some
of
them
probably
looked
at
this
and
thought
we
need
to.
You
know,
factor
in
what
what's
Over
the
Horizon.
Basically
I
think
that
may
very
well
be
the
case
in
some
of
these.
A
Along
with
those
things,
you
know
those
categories
we
talked
about
having
you
know
the
Double
Nickel,
the
overpopulation.
You
may
have
a
category
there
for
to
write
in
justification
of
why
this
may
be
a
higher
priority.
Just
a
brief
brief
of
something
that
nature
again
I
think
we're
all.
On
the
same
page,
we
want
to
I
appreciate
what
I
appreciate
what
you
provided
to
us,
and
certainly
this
helps
us
get
moving
on
down
the
on
down
the
road
I
referred
to
it
earlier.
As
a
funnel.
A
We've
got
all
this
information,
but
we're
trying
to
narrow
it
down
to
something
that
we
can
present
and
hopefully
get
additional
funding
for
it
to
fill
these
gaps.
So
these
these
schools
throughout
this
is
Statewide.
This
isn't
any
local
anyone
it's
this
is
across
the
state.
So
how
do
we?
How
do
we
fill
that
Gap?
So
we
can
get
these
students
taken
care
of
it
at
as
quickly
as
possible,
with
the
rising
cost
of
construction
and
everything
else,
it's
beyond
the
local
school
and
local
communities
control
they
can't.
So
how
do
we
fix
that?
A
So,
if
that's
okay,
when
we'll
work
on
this,
even
if
that's
okay,
yes.
K
A
A
Okay,
the
only
other
item
we
got
on
this
agenda
is
the
survey
we're
going
to
hold
that
over
to
the
next
meeting
in
October,
which
will
be
scheduled
for
October,
the
11th
at
1pm
and
Senator
Southwest
will
be
chairing
that
one.
We
have
a
couple
other
presentations,
so
if
you
haven't
done
the
survey,
please
do
that.
That
helps,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
Thank
you,
everybody
for
attending
today,
and
thank
you
all
for
your
presentations.