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Meeting Start 00:00:00
Attendance Roll Call 00:00:13
Information Items 00:01:10
2024-2030 Statewide Capital Improvements Plan 00:26:40

A

I will call us to order um so we're. This is the fifth meeting for the capital planning Advisory Board um Madam Secretary. Would you please call the room Senator.

B

Southworth here representative Lawrence, here Pat Abel.

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B

Rocky Adkins Charles Byers Jacqueline Coleman, Katie, Comstock, Carol, Henderson, John, Hicks, Brian Hicks, here Patsy Jackson, Holly, Johnson, Ryan, Neff, Danny, Rhodes, Senator, wheeler,.

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And representative Tate presiding here.

A

Which we have at Quorum great, thank you very much great. So do I have a motion and a second to approve the minutes motion. Thank you. Thank you very much. We have a motion and a second do any members object.

A

Any questions concerns all right. The minutes will stand as approved all right. The next section is information items. The following information items were shared with board members via email on August, 22nd and detail. This process used to select the board's project recommendations that will be incorporated into the 2024 through 2030 Statewide, Capital planning, Improvement plans, the project recommendation instructions, the criteria listing and scoring Matrix and the scoring system.

A

We ask that all project recommendations be shared with board staff by Wednesday September 20th, to provide time to finalize the draft Capital plan for final vote and approval in our last meeting, which is on October 11th. Are there any questions or discussions for this process, because this ranking and rating is totally new?

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C

That's why I think the staff for their hard work, obviously on putting this together. I know we discussed these ideas over the last few years and seeing it take shape, is very nice. So thanks so much especially considering we have new staff.

A

That's right, yeah I, do appreciate that. Thank you very much. Senator I appreciate the efforts as well. You know whenever I looked at this I would always like to compare historical information and to understand what was in the minds of other people in the past, and without this ranking and rating I found it very difficult to just go through all the mountains of material. So I certainly appreciate.

B

A

Efforts, thank you very much. Anyone else have any questions as we go through and start working through. This Matrix I understand that there probably will be more questions when we start diving into it, and I obviously feel free to contact Liz. If there are any questions or myself or Senator, wheeler and I'm sure we're all going to have the same questions, so don't hesitate to ask.

B

A

Right so they're, if they're, no further discussion, we'll now move forward to discussing any potential project recommendations in the of new construction, construction project investment and plant and information technology for the 2024-2026 millennium.

A

All right, which would be is that this Liz.

D

So that's the project list. Okay,.

A

D

That's a separate tag, so if anyone wants to discuss any projects within the specific project.

A

All right, so that would be in the list of the like Liz said: it's all the projects that have listed we've, we've reviewed a heard conversation and testimony for each one of the requested projects, foreign and all that information is stored on the website. If you need to go back and review any of it, yes, ma'am, yes, senator.

C

You have a I, have a question, maybe for staff and also discussion. um I was looking through the um construction project investment. So that's all these maintenance, stuff and I saw and maybe I missed, but I saw all the different universities, but I am not sure where the CPE project, where their overall maintenance pull request, was.

D

So that's a good question: CPE originally submitted a project in the system and then when they testified, they clarified that that was an error that I think it carried over from the previous biennium and it was previously funded. So CPE itself did not actually have any capital projects submitted. So in the final version, so it it won't be on any of your project lists here. So.

C

They I thought they testified that they wanted us to do more again. This year,.

D

They testified about their overall recommendation for all post-secondary institutions and the asset preservation allocations that they recommend, but they themselves.

C

Oh right, that's what I was talking about the asset preservation pool that CPE wanted to do like I mean like last year, we had the different um universities asked for stuff that I don't think we ended up funding those individually. We just handed it to CPA CPE for their formula, but I'm not sure where cpe's Formula preservation pool is on this list.

D

Under within each, uh let me find the page number for you, but within each University, let's see they have their own specific age. Five five of eight.

B

C

So we wouldn't be or I don't know, I I mean either we go with cpe's formula or we just piecemeal each school.

A

And I haven't done the totals seven.

A

B

D

Yeah I see that you know Kentucky state universities is represented on page six of eight within the construction, protect investment, plantless and then each University that um I guess. The board generally addresses that recommendation as a separate policy recommendation and that's on under the next tab within your bed, yeah the project list and ranking that's a separate process, but it is also addressed as a policy recommendation.

D

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E

Yeah just to add to Center Southward, so so one one option would be rather than pick nine asset preservation pool projects from the nine institutions and out of the 15 which we're being asked to rank.

E

We could shift that decision over to the policy recommendation to say we support the concept of of asset preservation, pool for the institutions and therefore not eat up nine of your 15 ranked projects just by wanting to support the institution's asset preservation policy, so that that's something I'm interested in doing.

A

C

Southworth well I appreciate that um I think I'm going to do the same thing, but to clarify last year like at the very end of or I, keep saying last year. Probably last round of this, but I remember the very end it I hit. We had gotten graphs and put together and it was around this idea of funding maintenance with bond funds and I, like that.

C

Everyone wants to you, know, preserve things and make sure things are working right and I know that we haven't done enough in that space clearly by the number of needs that are coming to us and the universities were particular concerned.

C

Just because there's a lot of them and there's a lot of buildings that go with all that. But last year's 700 million dollar pool that we did in our policy recommendation. We say yeah, we believe in maintenance, but then we turned around and funded it. 100 percent with bonds, which I have a huge issue with, because it doesn't make any sense to me how we're doing maintenance.

C

Today, this stuff's going to crumble again in 10 years and the bonds come in 20 years and it ends up costing twice as much so is there somewhere in the maintenance pool policies where we can say, maintenance really is where you want to be paying cash. Not Bonds um is that in there or.

D

It is so on page eight of under your last tab. You have the scip proposed content so page eight of that document. That's where the state agency maintenance pool policy recommendation begins, and um that gives a brief um historical view of the maintenance pool Appropriations and you can see in the 2224 uh fiscal biennium. There was significantly an increase in general fund support. There was a widespread policy decision to support those projects with general fund cash financing versus bonds.

D

So there is a statement and that paragraph after that states you know the 2022 General Assembly adopted the widespread policy of supplanting the use of bond fund Appropriations with traditional general fund cash financing and um and I think we also make there's another statement that says it's a top priority and the and the caption at the beginning also States as such. Despite its benefits, Bond funding should not be used to the traditional cash financing.

D

So if you guys want to maintain that policy, we can do so or you know if you want to amend any of these statements, happy to do so.

A

Foreign also, whenever we, um when we heard some of the testimony there was uh quite a few just there was a lot of discussion about pass-through dollars and so are any of those projects actually listed in this or on this list, or is that where it would show up under other fund sources, I'm.

D

Thinking pass through and director Hicks might be I'm assuming that's Grant, loans benefits. Those are separate project categories than what is represented here. These are strictly new construction, renovation or I.T.

A

So those things that were discussed discussed would not be on this list. Then right.

D

Very good yeah they'll be listed, you know, as proposed projects and the cumulative project listing at the end of the document, but they're not separately. Okay, part of your project recommendations.

A

Senator Southport I, like the the discussion that, in you know, Mr Hicks, I, appreciate the conversation regarding the maintenance pools. Are there any other I guess tricks of the trade that would be like that that we should consider you know, lumping things together. Besides, just the asset pool.

C

Thank you, I, can't think of anything right off.

C

But yeah he's the expert.

E

And I would and I would add that we were doing the same thing for maintenance pools. We've got a policy on that so that you know Liz purposely kept the maintenance pulls out of the list so that it, but it's still a priority, but we're not picking projects out of it. Correct.

A

Senator Southworth.

C

Well, I am seeing maintenance pools on.

A

C

Like each um each cabinet or agency has a maintenance pool, so how are we I mean I, I kind of started, checking through things and I guess you know it was one of those things like well. I don't know. Do I really want to check that because it's important and we're probably gonna, do it anyway. So I don't know how do you score this stuff.

D

Right yeah, they are included as in the project list as they were submitted to the system. But if you guys, I, guess as a whole, decide to not include those in your specific recommendations and otherwise address it. As a group policy recommendation, I think that's kind of what director Hicks is speaking to and how it's been done. Historically,.

D

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C

Got some other questions, sure um I kind of wanted to throw and since director Hicks is here, I'd like to maybe throw one at him and see what happens but I'm on the on the it list, the finance Administration cabinet was in here asking for three and a half million more dollars for the emars upgrades, or maybe director Hicks you or someone else.

C

Does anybody I didn't feel like I had a whole Clarity around what they wanted and they said that it was new I, guess things that we don't currently have in our emars and I'd like emars, to be amazing so that we can all grab whatever information we need quickly, but is this kind of? What exactly is this? Should I be prioritizing it pretty high, because I mean they seem to be prioritizing it pretty high, but again it comes to the office of controller and they only have one project. So it's hard to tell.

E

Yeah I'll say this: it is not the current system's not dependent upon new money for the upgrade that they're actually implementing right now, because they are implementing a 13 million dollar project right now. I believe it was some other modules and I'm trying to think if one of them was travel and to some other things. So there were a few few. You characterize it properly, which it was some new functionality not not necessary for the existing, but I can't recall off the top of my head. You know the specifically.

C

I think you're right, it was I. Guess are these new functions like would be nice functions or these like wow. This would be game changing if we could just get all this on the same system.

E

I would say it's closer to the would-be nice than.

D

It is to the game: changer and I can share you. The specific proposed project detail. That's in our system. It has a little bit more of a narrative than what's available online. If that's useful to you. I can share that with the board. Okay,.

C

C

A chair I've got a follow-up on another.

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C

um The Construction maintenance list pip on finance, Administration cabinets page two of this list- that we have the Excel sheet format list and there says other fun type. There's a few projects here that say: Federal but there's not actual under other fund sources, amounts and I'm wondering.

C

Are there matches here grants or what is this.

D

I'll double check on that I can't recall offhand, but I'll I'll be sure to get you. The update on that. Can you okay well, go ahead.

C

I thought it was an odd thing for federal funds, but I thought if there was a match that makes it better right.

A

Is that the case for all line, items that say, federal or just put in that particular area.

A

Yeah, okay, good.

C

I haven't shared another question: yes, ma'am I'm, just going through my laundry list here. um Dm safety, reconstructions and repairs is on page three in tourism and Arts and Heritage like the fifth thing down in their list and they've got five million dollars, but when I found elsewhere we had the hold on. Where was it? We had more dams somewhere else. We were doing 22 million I. Think there you go um um or I. Don't is that on the new construction page yeah state-owned Dam repair is on the construction other sheet page one.

C

That's the 22 million, so I guess I'm I keep hearing about our dams, but I'm not really clear. Are these different dams or are they overlapping funds? Do we know.

C

um It was under the construction pip list, which appears to be maintenance, pools and so forth, and it's the fifth thing down under Department of parks.

D

I can check with our respective analyst on tourism and arts and get clarity around which dance they have I guess a responsibility over versus the Kentucky River, Authority and I guess: energy and environment as well.

E

Energy environment pools when we've had three years and it's it's to deal with- we you know we categorize them from high Hazard to Middle, Hazard, To, Low, Hazard uh and and it's for any state-owned Dam, so Parks having a specific item in here is can be duplicative in the sense that that damn it the state park, could be part of the state-owned dam repair and has been in the past. So I think Liz is right. The question might be what the specificity of what parks is asking for might be useful.

C

That's probably it: okay thanks.

A

A

Got a new face name.

C

Okay, I found the next thing on my laundry list. um This EKU Aviation program uh when I was out there last year discussing this with them. They had indicated, which uh they have I mean right now. Their teaching area is literally like a double wide and.

D

C

And I think it's a great idea to get a little bit more space. They have um bandwidth to be able to expand the program.

C

um So when we were discussing, though I said okay well, how much are we talking for like this new building to go put out there near the right? Basically right on the runway and stuff, and they said well, you know we don't have a really solid number, but I said just give me a ballpark. What are we even talking about, and they said maybe you like in the 20 million dollar range, so I said I I think that's a reasonable thing.

C

That I would like to prioritize and stick on our list, and so now, when they came and I know, there's inflation, but we're now we're talking about 50 million and it looks like so far. They've raised 4 million toward the project.

C

I, don't know how much is in this phase. It looks like it may have expanded because it doesn't look like it's just inflation and I'm just kind of wondering what are the policy issues I've never been sure of on this board is when somebody hands us an ask. Okay, we want 50 million dollars for this thing.

C

You know: where is there any space for us to say? Can we break that up or can we do a 25 million dollar option or, like you know, we're basically going to give you 25 million?

C

If you can come up with a way to use it, but we don't have 50 today, um but it's it's one of those chicken and egg things, because can they do what would be useful for 25 or is it throwing money to the wind in two years is going to come back right in the general fund anyway, I mean so I, don't know, but some of these projects I remember. Last year we had uofl asking for 120 and they had 80 in private cash and I was like well.

C

What bells and whistles can you get rid of? They said oh yeah. We could build a 480.. We just wanted to see if we could get some more I'm, like, oh, my goodness, you're in the wrong spot. We.

F

Don't have extra money laying around people so.

C

You know some of these projects. I would love to do, but maybe at a different scale.

A

I guess there's a challenge with that: I totally understand what you're saying I guess: there's a challenge with that, though. If you make it's like in stages, then there's a possibility that your stage, if you know make it one through three, there's a possibility that your stage three would never be funded. So I totally understand what you're asking um but I guess that we would have to um weigh the the risk to the project. I.

C

Guess also, what is stage three, because sometimes it's we're going to build everything we need in stage one we're going to ask for stage three just so that they give us stage one. You know that whole game don't know how much of this is here's the bid we have versus here's, our grand utopian wish list right.

A

Right, you know: whenever I worked for UPS, we always called it the Kamikaze projects. We always threw kamikazes out there, and so that's you know, and that wasn't you know supposed to be. You know negative or derogatory, but it's just how do you? How do you differentiate? Which ones are the the Kamikaze projects or which parts are the Kamikaze stages and that's the hard part and I think that's really? Hopefully this Matrix will help us drive some of that out.

A

I'm, certainly hoping, but to your point, is there space in this project in this committee to only fund at a certain percentage.

D

It would be a New Concept, but it's something if you guys collectively agree. We could, you know, pursue something of that nature. If there's interest in.

A

It yeah because it's because it is the recommendation of this board of this committee, what we want to do.

C

I would like to hear a little bit of input, maybe from some of the veteran state employees on you know, 20 30 years ago, or even 10 or 15, just going back a little bit of History when you get the ad I mean we all know we've it's happened right but make sure you ask for more than you want, so you get less right. But how does that work, because here we're talking about an All or Nothing approach? So did you all?

C

Whoever all is here from that era or any history see that and how did it work and how do we recommend for that? Or does it all just wash out in the AR committee and so we're kind of pointless talking about it here.

E

Your last point is probably closest, which is which is at this point right, we're to the point of the process where I kind of think less about the dollar value and more about the purpose and.

F

E

You know of what's being done, like you just described at EKU right, but in the budget process, both executive and the legislative. You then start I won't say negotiating when you start pursuing other information, such as what what could be done with a dollar figure or what does it cost to do? Just this portion or the scope of the project one way or the other? So so so I kind of view.

E

This your example as I'm going to look at the purpose of the project more than at the dollar figure, and that this you know this committee is making a recommendation to the decision makers. You know around which projects kind of we rank highest, but I I still, but I leave to the budget process. What is the amount of money? That's necessary.

C

Thanks, that's helpful.

A

It's really important for us to do that. I mean I'm kind of skipping down to the next section, but you know whenever we're looking at during the last iteration of this process, there was 25 billion that was requested and this time it's 55 billion. So it's double of what was requested before when there's really only about 200, more projects, which you know I.

A

Of course 200 doesn't mean anything, it's all about the the scope and the size of those projects, and then you know there was um 7 billion of the total cash need compared to 11.6 billion. So we've got a significant amount of more projects and a lot more expensive projects.

A

So I think it's going to be very challenging for us to look at it from a dollar figure. Therefore, you really have to look at it from a project perspective.

A

Because I think the for me, the sticker shock was pretty high on some of these.

D

I guess if there's another discussion.

A

Okay, all right, if there's no other discussion, then we'll go down to the discussion of the project recommendations. So each member has been instructed to score 15 projects with each project category we just talked about. If there are any projects, the member would like to publicly discuss I. Obviously, wood can open the floor for discussion.

A

The intent of this meeting is truly to to discuss and to answer any questions.

A

Senator Southworth.

C

I just have one project: I want to call attention to I think everyone can agree. Probably on this. The court of appeals building had a really compelling argument and I totally agree, and the cost is actually very reasonable compared to a lot of the other buildings we've seen and so I think that should I mean it's definitely going to be on my list. I think it should score well, but I think it is reasonable to call it out and say it be one of the top, maybe even top 10.

C

That comes out of this whole thing.

F

I would agree with Senator Southworth uh I think that that's a very necessary project- and you know I like the way they've gone about it by maximizing space that they already own to uh to reduce the cost of the taxpayer and um and I know, judge Thompson. The the chief judge is a very uh good public servant, I've known him for gosh nearly 30 years and he's always very frugal and I'm sure that this is a well thought out project, not to mention the health risk to the staff.

F

I think that we need to all take into consideration with the mold and the other issues going on with that building.

A

I know whenever I was looking at the summary I had some questions for Liz, specifically like that there's a different group projects need project needs by area of government, and so there's some on the list that weren't there in 2021 and so Liz. Can you explain to us why some fell off and some were added? Please, yes,.

D

I just rank these on, based on total project requests so from highest to lowest, so some dropped off. Some were under one percent and I just combine those into the other government agencies and identified them at the bottom.

A

A

And then just to move a little bit forward. The last document in your packet includes draft sections and planned content of the capital and documents the project recommendation begins on page five and our largely unchanged from the previous six-year Capital plan.

A

I would like to also open the floor for any discussion or questions about the three-year policy recommendation.

A

And then, as we continue to move forward, yes, ma'am, yes, Senator.

C

I was just going to come back to the um cash versus bond funding for maintenance, pools language. This one sentence and I never did find the other, but in the box at the bottom of the box it says as such, despite its benefits, Bond funding should not be used to the exclusion of traditional cash funding and I thought.

C

um I would like to move that we maybe adjust that sentence to say as a like strong recommendation to use cash funding. Not necessarily this word exclusion, because it's almost like as long as you throw in one dollar, then we can go ahead and take all these bonds. You know- and that's not really, the focus I think the focus that I would like us to say is: maintenance funds should be um primarily funded with cash or.

C

The goal should be complete funding with cash that that's, we always make our goals right and then we try to live up to them.

C

But you know that to me should be where we go and then and then you know- and that also gives the idea of maintenance comes first- that we do have currently already in our policy and we pay for our maintenance first and then, when we have leftovers, then we look at what else bells and whistles we can do and then we look at you know new projects taking on new bonds and whatnot right, but I think maintenance comes first goes with and you so that's where you put your cash first I didn't give a great language, but that's my motion: does that make sense.

D

Yes, we could say something like the board encourages continued use of traditional cash financing, as done in the 2020 to 2024 budget or.

C

I, don't recall us using it um I guess right now you can see the overall here. It is more in this maintenance pool Appropriations, but it didn't come through um on that CPE thing. The CPE thing I.

D

C

Know where that is, but it was 100 Bond funded.

D

Right that I guess the asset preservation isn't included in the maintenance pool Appropriations and that's addressed in that preceding policy recommendation page seven and that's where they talk about it there. So we could potentially modify language there. If you want to I, guess specifically speak to how they finance- or you know, CP is recommended how they would like to. We could. You know potentially amend that language in that section. If you want to get on the asset preservation, Port yeah,.

C

Can I am in my motion to put the similar language, whether you call it asset preservation or maintenance, boost it's kind of either the same thing, but maybe I'm slicing hairs here. Maybe this is I'm not sure.

A

Instructor Hicks.

E

Yeah, just on a couple of things on the one thing that Commonwealth has never put in place, I'll say a dedicated funding stream for for Capital maintenance.

E

We have the Capital Construction investment income account, which uh is is dedicated for that purpose uh as you, but it is subject to the very the variations of interest rates and and balances and I'll give you an example in the budget we're in right now we literally had no Capital Construction investment income in the first year of the biennium uh because of Mark to Market requirements right, we literally had negative interest income, uh and so, but in the second year we had we kind of returned to our usual amount.

E

So so so so so one reason we turned to some bond funds for maintenance pools. There were two reasons one because we didn't have a dedicated cash stream and secondly, there are some maintenance projects, because we look at them one at a at a time that have a 20-year useful life, and so we we you know so we started putting some bond funds into maintenance pools with the intention of financing. uh You know an HVAC replacement, roof replacement.

E

Some of which can last that long so just to let you know, the history I prefer the language that Liz mentioned, which is to I'll, say to split the baby a little bit. That's considers the fact that you shouldn't debt Finance, all your agency maintenance pools.

E

Yet there is some usefulness to having bond funds uh and and a recognition that in the budget we're in now and if you look on page eight you'll see the general fund value for the current biennium of being 143.8.

E

uh You know that I think that's that's kind of a recognition that.

F

E

Had we had the funds to do it and it was a good use of cash, not debt. uh You know for some of these, so so I I, so I'm agreeing with the the tone of the of the of the idea that you shouldn't rely on completely on debt, but I'm not all the way to no Reliance, because the practicality is, we don't have a dedicated, Revenue source of size, and there are also some maintenance pool projects that that you kind of meet a test of bonds.

E

So uh so so I think adjusting this, maybe to a Dr to kind of acknowledge the approach that the budget took in the current biennium to to, because there was a greater emphasis on cash yeah.

C

I call that a friendly Amendment.

E

C

I guess that's a second on his Amendment, if we're going official here so yeah I'll. Second, his friendly Amendment exact work.

A

Any discussion, any opposition I'll go there first before we, you know and as all everybody agree that sounds good all right, the other yes, director, Hicks we're.

E

Still on the policy recommendations.

A

E

Want to address the one on on page uh five. You know that this has been a long-standing policy of this board about the budget, Reserve trust fund. You know, we've had we've had recent significant occurrences right. The budget Reserve trust fund is at 3.7 billion dollars today, due to three straight years of billion dollar surpluses. So the the wording in here says replenish right and so I think we're not at a replenished situation any longer. We may be. You know another 20 years from now, but we're not there now.

E

So uh maybe we just take out the word replenishing and.

F

B

Maintains the idea that it's.

E

An important thing- uh and uh you know that's that's my only suggestion- is that just we just modernize it a little bit for the current circumstance.

C

Second I agree.

A

Anyone any discussion any opposition to that. If everyone's in agreement then we'll adopt that as well. Thank you.

D

I guess, in relation to the maintenance, pull policy recommendation on page 10 project recommendations, projects to be financed from State funds. Maintenance pools are also addressed in this section, and the previous statement was: the board recommends that maintenance pull Appropriations for all agencies be increased and I changed it to maintain due to the increase in general fund support.

D

That might be a matter for discussion. How you all want to word that if you want to keep it as maintained or continue to increase.

C

Where exactly are we.

D

First, correct yeah, page 10, Under, The, Heading State interest pools for construction needs. There's a bold sentence. There.

C

You're saying that it current in this draft, it says maintained now, as the first word on line two of that paragraph, and you say that previously it had said increased and you went ahead and put maintain but you're wondering if we want to in say, like maintained or.

D

Increase yeah, if you want to confirm that change.

A

A

Liz also noticed that there was, there was a seems like there's an additional sentence here um in a Capital Agency State agencies in their 20 24 2026 Capital plans. State agencies have identified the need for approximately 694.8 million for maintenance pools over the six-year plan and 300 million in the first biennium that 300 million in the first biennium is. This is new to this document.

A

Okay, is that is there.

D

I think I actually moved that um previously Sean had provided I think an additional page or two for discussion in terms of Maintenance pools and she had identified I just thought. The historical information would be. You know helpful.

A

D

Helpful assessing that but yeah happy. We can move it to the other section, leave it where it is or no.

A

I think it's good I mean I, like historical information. um I just wouldn't thought that it needed to be discussed. Okay, okay, highlighted anyway, pointed out.

A

One of the other things that um that I thought was very beneficial. Of course, if you go back to the policy recommendation, the budget Reserve trust fund, the table where it talks about the um brtf that table is to me was very, very beneficial.

A

um Do you would other and I thought that it would also be beneficial for me to go? Have historical information regarding the amount of requests that were being made, as we talked about before almost twice as many in dollar figures are being requested this year compared to the last iteration in 2021, so do other people think that it would be beneficial just to have some historical data regarding what how many projects in a table format how many projects are being requested and what those price tags are. I.

A

Think the um that that 55 billion kind of concerns me. You know if we walk in with a recommendation of whatever the recommendation was last year, but now we walk in with double that. You know. I think that a table to be able to explain that would be beneficial.

C

Senator Southworth I also think on that table. Not only you would want to put how much was requested, but then how much was the total that actually got funded, so we can kind of see over time? Are we starting to lag behind? Are we starting to catch up and right now we're just anecdotally talking about it and hoping that director Hicks doesn't lose his memory yeah.

A

That's right, yeah.

A

Or get a better job offer somewhere else right. Wait! A second stop stop and we need you right. Yeah or you know the risk of you know somebody looking at the price tag and going that committee's out of control. You know right.

A

Okay, we can start working on that and see what it looks like. Thank you.

A

All right, yes, ma'am.

A

A

Everybody's and everybody's nodding their head. Yes, so yes,.

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All right, so are we at the? uh Where are we at Liz? Have we already done the proposed content organization, all right, so we're at the we've had General discussion.

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And unless there are any other questions, concerns comments, we are ready to adjourn. Our next meeting is scheduled for 1pm on Wednesday October 11th in the same meeting room to perform a vote on the final 2024 2030.

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Statewide Capital Improvement project document. Of course, attendance is strongly strongly encouraged to ensure that we have a quorum for this action to meet the statutory delivery date of November 1st. So our next order of business, though, is by September 20th to provide our recommendation. Okay, all right do I. Have a motion to adjourn motion motion great. Thank you all.