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A
Good
morning
appreciate
everyone
being
here,
it's
a
little
bit
different
from
us,
so
we've
been
speaking
to
an
empty
room
for
over
a
year
and
a
half.
So
this
is
a
little
bit
different.
We
don't
mean
to
gawk
at
you.
It's
just
it's
so
unusual
to
see
people
here,
but
we
do
have
a
quorum
so
clerk.
Please
call
the
roll.
A
C
A
A
Aye
motion
carries
all
vendors
are
registered
with
the
secretary
of
state's
office
total
number
of
items
on
the
gen
a
day,
equal
822
in
the
amount
of
878
million
hundred
783
three
dollars
and
fifty
one
cents
next
order.
Business
consideration
agenda,
including
the
deferred
list,
personal
service
contract
list.
Psc
amendment
list,
memorandum
of
agreement
list,
memorandum
of
agreement,
amendment
list
and
the
corrections
list,
except
for
those
items
selected
for
further
review.
Do
we
have
a
motion?
Consider
the
contracts
reviewed
without
objection.
A
Motion
by
co-chair
cook,
second
again
by
representative
all
those
in
favor.
A
D
A
Aye
motion
carries
and
I
made
reference
to
a
deferred
list.
There
is
no
deferred
items
this
time,
so
we
can
continue
with
the
agenda.
First
item
on
the
pool
list,
with
the
department
of
local
government
are
numbers
11
and
12
on
the
routine
personal
service
contract
green
list.
If
representatives
here,
please
identify
yourself
for
the
record.
B
A
All
right
appreciate
you
joining
us.
Sorry,
you
can't
be
here
in
person,
but
I
request
these
two
contracts
be
pulled
and
I
don't
think
it's
a
big
deal
just
want
some
clarification
to
always
have
a
sensitivity
to
women
being
paid
the
same
as
men
office
and
comparable
work
and
from
the
contract
descriptions
that
we
have
for
these
two
contracts.
A
G
Thank
you.
We
appreciate
your
your
questions.
The
difference
was
because
of
the
request
for
proposals.
The
request
for
proposals
came
in
and
and
the
female
you
referred
to
proposed
a
lower
amount.
A
Well,
to
that
end
I
didn't
pull
number
13,
but
we
have
three
contracts
for
the
same
scope
of
service
and
number
13
is
the
less
of
the
three
contracts.
G
The
the
other
one
that
you
are
referring
to
was
actually
a
different
rfp.
It's
for
a
different
program,
different
program
parameters
and
again
the
the
successful
bidder
bid
a
lower
amount
per
hour.
G
They
are
doing
the
same
work.
One
staff
member
is
focusing
more
on
in
environmental
reviews
and
I
don't
want
to
say
staff
member
one
contract
worker
is
focuses
a
little
bit
more
on
contract
rep
on
on
environmental
reviews,
another
it's
it's
their
different
levels
of
expertise,
but
the
even
though
the
even
though
the
rfp
was
the
same
rfp.
They
do
have
separate
responsibilities
just
because
of
their
different
levels
of
expertise.
A
A
And
unfortunately,
or
maybe,
ironically,
the
lower
the
contract
is
a
female,
and
we
know
in
this
state
that
women
are
getting
about
73
cents
on
the
dollar,
for
comparable
work
and
pay
for
men.
D
A
I
would
agree,
but
that's
the
question
we
have
here
is
that
there's
a
disparity
here
and
it's
an
obvious
disparity
and
supported
by
a
historical
fact
that
women
in
kentucky
make
only
73
of
what
men
make.
So
how
do
we
rectify
this?
How
to
resolve
this?
By
approving
these
two
contracts?
We're
saying
this
is
acceptable
to
me.
That's
not
acceptable
again.
D
Sir,
we
could
re-evaluate
her
contract
with
the
other
bidders
and
put
her
salary
bid
in
line
with
those.
It's
my
belief
that
it
would
still
come
out
the
same
decision
that
she
was
the
most
qualified
bidder,
even
at
the
higher
price.
A
G
I
would
be
glad
to
recalculate
and
and
and
base
her
contract
on
the
same
hourly
wage
as
the
other.
A
Well
again
it
but
there's
a
secondary
issue
here.
It
does
bother
me
that
she's
the
lower
the
two
yeah
we
could
certainly
raise
her
ten
thousand,
but
there's
opportunity
here
to
also
lower
him.
Ten
thousand
and
we
have
a
third
contract,
would
you
say
a
different
rfp,
so
I
can't
really
argue
that
one,
but
it's
the
lowest
of
the
three.
D
A
A
A
E
You
know
what's
bothered
me
for
quite
some
time
is
the
fact
we'll
put
out
an
rfp
and
we
got
three
different
people
or
whatever
number
respond.
They
all
come
in
at
different
numbers.
There's
no
way
that
every
contractor
is
going
to,
you
know
coordinate
with
every
other
possible
person
in
a
pool.
Then
we
award
one
contract
to
three
different
people
at
three
different
prices,
and
it
doesn't
bother
me
at
all
that
they
ask
for
three
different
numbers
and
it
could
have
been
the
men
or
the
women.
E
Just
it's
really
all
irrelevant
to
me
that
part
of
it,
but
I
do
think
it
perhaps
maybe
it's
a
45
asu.
Perhaps
it's
just
not
an
implementation
issue.
I
don't
know
I'd
like
to
get
that
cleared
up
by
next
month
when
we
get
this
one
back
when
a
low
bed
comes
in,
the
whole
point
of
bidding
is
to
find
a
little
bit
so
when
a
low
bed
comes
in,
can
that
not
be?
E
You
know
the
marker
that
everybody
else
has
to
fit
that
benchmark,
or
else
they
don't
get
the
job
or
whatever
the
lowest
bid
is
that
is
okay
by
three
people.
I
mean
I'm
just
trying
to
that's
what
I
want
to
hear
cleared
up,
because
you
know
this
has
been
going
on
and
it
goes
on
all
the
time.
It's
not
just
this
one
time.
E
I
appreciate
you
bringing
it
up,
but
I
would
like
to
be
clear
on
exactly
how
we
address
this
because
there's
a
ton
of
desperate
pay,
not
just
a
male
female
thing,
but
just
you
know
three
random
contract
bidders.
So
I
vote
yes
to
defer.
A
Thank
you
in
in
for
one
of
a
better
term
defense
of
the
department
for
local
government.
You
folks
need
to
understand
that
all
we
get
is
a
thumbnail
description
of
what
these
contracts
are.
We
we
don't
have
an
extensive
background
as
to
what's
entailed
in
these
things,
but
from
the
three
contracts
that
we
have,
it
looks
like
they're
all
performing
the
same
duties
again.
I
don't
think
anybody
has
done
anything
intensely
wrong,
but
it
does
have
the
appearance.
There's
some
disparity
here
that
we
need
to
address.
C
Please
do
okay.
My
question
is:
are
on
both
of
these
contracts
on
on
11
and
12?
Are
these
folks
were
they
previously
employed
by
the
dlg?
C
They
were,
they
were
okay,
and
are
they
performing
substantially
the
same
task
with
this
contract
through
this
contract,
as
they
had
as
they
had
previously
when
they
work
for
the
cabinet.
D
C
G
With
these
contracts,
if
you,
if
you
take
the
highest
the
highest
of
the
two
contracts
that
are
before
you,
the
cost
savings
to
the
agency
is
about
20
to
25,
just
because
of
of
benefits
and
retirement
benefits.
D
And
if
I
may
address
the
fact
that
they
had
the
previous
contract,
that
previous
contract
has
now
run
its
course,
which
furthest
month
we'll
have
no
employees
in
this
in
these
positions
until.
C
B
A
Aye
motion
carries
and
hearing
that
representative
mentor,
I
don't
believe
she
was
on
when
we
called
the
role.
So
please
record.
A
Right,
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
the
mr
edmund,
ms
johnson
and
mr
paulie,
we'll
look
forward
to
hearing
from
you
next
month
on
this
appreciate
your
attendance
this
morning.
Thank
you.
Thank.
D
A
Next
item
is
the
department
for
medicaid
services
to
contracts
with
first
is
myers
and
stoffers.
A
A
Says
everyone?
Yes,
yes,
it
is
all
right.
Thank
you,
then.
Both
chairman
co-chair
cook
and
I
have
questions
I'll
defer
to
co-chairman.
A
J
Thank
you,
chairman
meredith
question,
just
believe
it
like
an
explanation.
Please
we
don't
have
a
lot
to
go
on
here
and
it's
got
a
note
in
here:
it's
not
practical
or
feasible
to
bid
the
document
and
just
like
some
explanation
on
that.
Please.
I
So
so
they
had
a
previous
contract
to
assist
us
with
the
procurement,
as
required
by
the
statute
and
implementation
of
the
single
mco
pbm.
I
What
we
discovered,
as
we
approached
the
july
first
go
live
this
year,
is
that
we
really
needed
to
continue
that
support
to
ensure
a
successful
implementation,
so
we
did
around
march
or
april
because
we
anticipated
the
need
for
that
support.
We
have
this.
This
is
basically
an
extension.
Although
the
previous
contract
ended
on
june
30th,
we
we
did
discover.
We
really
needed
to
continue
that
support
to
to
help
us
post
go
live,
and
that's
that's
why
we
did
submit
this
as
the
not
practical.
I
A
I
have
a
couple
questions
regarding
this
and
excuse
us
again
in
in
the
letter
that
we
were
sent
regarding
this.
It
was
a
little
bit
confusing
to
me
because
obviously,
I'm
intimately
aware
of
senate
bill
50,
but
it
says
that
the
pbm
departed.
This
position.
A
A
The
pbm
departed
this
position
and
due
to
myers
stauffer's
pharmacy
and
pbm
implementation,
expertise
and
this
being
a
critical
component
of
the
revised
kentucky.
Medicaid
managed
care
program,
buyers
and
staffers
are
viable.
A
viable
vendor
contracted
to
support
this
initiative.
So
that
statement
about
the
pbm
departed,
the
position.
I
Yeah
I
I
believe
that
is
a
a
horrendous
grammatical
error,
so
I
apologize
for
the
the
error.
That's
in
the
letter,
I'm
I'm
not
100
sure
what
we
anticipated,
but
med
impact
is
the
pbm
and
myers
just
offers
is
contracted
to
help
support
that
go,
live.
A
I
Yeah
and
again
you
know
that
was
the
time
limited
so,
but
I'm
happy
to
get
that
information
to
you
well,
thank
you.
A
I
Other
thing
I
would
like
to
mention
is
that
you
know
this
is
an
hourly
contract.
We
do
not
anticipate
meeting
the
full.
You
know
we
put
a
date
of
december
31st.
We
anticipate
that
the
work
will
be
completed
sometime
in
october
and
that
we
do
not
anticipate
utilizing
all
of
the
funds
that
have
been.
A
Well,
if
you
want
to
explain
to
me
again
why
we're
needing
these
services.
I
Absolutely
so
generally,
for
you
know
so,
first
of
all,
let
me
say
that
this
has
never
been
done
anywhere
in
the
country.
We're
the
first
state
to
do
this
type
of
hybrid
model.
A
I
Correct
yeah,
so
so
there
you
know,
because
of
that
you
know.
Certainly
we
needed
to
develop
a
lot
of
new
policies,
and
we
also
for
this.
You
know
we're
moving
over
a
million
people
into
a
single
pbm
and
going
from
six
different
pbms
to
one,
and
you
know
generally.
State
medicaid
agencies
have
multiple
pharmacists,
four
to
six
pharmacists
employed
to
manage
this.
A
pharmacy
benefit
this
large.
I
We,
our
pharmacy
director,
did
leave
in
march
and
we
felt
like
it
was
important
to,
and
so
we
only
had
one
pharmacy
director
with
the
department,
so
we
felt
important
that
we
have
that
expertise.
We
have
those
extra
resources
because
we,
you
know,
we
all
have
our
day-to-day
work.
That
continues
as
we
move
through
an
implementation
like
this,
so
we
really
needed
to
have
somebody
who
could
focus
on.
I
I
tell
you,
the
largest
and
probably
most
valuable
service
that
they
provided
to
us
was
pulling
in
all
of
the
questions
and
answers.
I
I
They
have
pharmacists
that
have
extensive
knowledge.
You
know
across
the
state
across
the
nation,
so
so
it
was
just.
It
was
invaluable
expertise
to
us.
A
I
would
agree
with
you,
I'm
sure,
losing
your
pharmacy
director
wasn't
something
anyone
anticipated,
particularly
in
this
monumental
transition
that
we're
making-
and
I
uncertainly,
see
how
they
feel
this
role
and
just
for
the
committee's
benefit.
You
know
we're
looking
at
567,
000,
again
you're
going
to
get
me
how
much
we
we
paid
in
the
previous
contract,
because
I'd
like
to
know
that,
but
our
projections
being
the
the
senators
involved
in
this
thing,
as
well
as
the
representatives
that
we
think
there's
a
potential
of
a
half
a
billion
dollars
in
savings
each
year.
A
C
D
A
D
A
You'll
know
our
contract
description
says:
provide
funds
for
state
medicaid
agencies
is
requiring
a
federal
law
to
contract
with
an
independent
external
quality
review
organization,
and
is
this
done
on
an
annual
basis
by
annual
basis?
How
frequently
is
this
done?
It's
done
annually
annually
and
how
are
the
how
the
results
of
that
report
distributed
to
legislators.
A
I
Yeah,
this
is
a
federally
mandated
requirement.
G
D
And
with
inequality
review
when
you're,
looking
at
that
through
the
mcos
you
have
to
that's
what
quality
is,
is
possible
performance
initiatives
or
and
where
you
can
address
concerns
and
looking
at
the
report
there,
we
do
have
some
work
to
do
the
mcos.
E
Have
some
work
to
do
on
certain
hedis
measures.
D
A
E
I
can
certainly
send
you
the
actual
copy.
D
K
A
C
C
A
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
What
I
want
to
get
a
handle
on
is
eastern
kentucky
university.
Has
this
cova
testing
on
their
list
and
I've
heard
a
number
of
other
institutions
specifically
state
that
you
know
they're
not
going
to
be
providing
kova
testing
moving
forward
after
a
certain
time
frame,
which
is
approximately
now
or
this
fall?
What
not?
I
want
to
try
to
get
a
handle
on
why
we
need
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
code
testing.
That's
question.
One
question
two
is:
is
this
the
same
pcr
testing?
E
Is
it
going
35
cycles
and
all
this
stuff,
where
we're
not
really
even
sure
if
it's
accurate,
two
and
third
question
piece
of
this
is
it
says
it's
general
funds
100
trying
to
figure
out
with
the
dollars?
That's
come
in
for
various
coped
things
through
the
various
federal
acts.
Is
that
a
flow
through
or
is?
Are
we
actually
paying
out
of
agency
funds
for
this
versus?
Let's
say
a
federal
fund
specifically
for
cova
testing.
E
I
K
K
What
I
can
and
then
certainly
will
defer
to
to
my
two
experts
here
in
terms
of
why
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
I
will
tell
you
that
that's
an
up
to
amount
at
this
point
we're
not
entirely
sure
I
think
the
ncaa,
and
this
is
mostly
an
athletics
testing
contract
and
I
think
the
ncaa
just
recently
released
what
it
what
it
has
deemed
its
interim
guidance
on
what
will
be
required
for
ncaa,
sanctioned
sports
next
academic
year,
so
that
when
we
submitted
a
contract,
it
was
a
bit
of
a
shot
in
the
dark,
because
we
weren't
sure
what
was
going
to
be
required
and
that's
an
up
to
amount.
K
C
K
I
will
also
say-
and
I
think
it's
important
to
mention
eku
has
not
taken
the
position
that
we're
requiring
covert
vaccination
among
any
of
our
student
population.
At
this
point,
and
so
in
order
to
take
that
kind
of
position,
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
make
testing
readily
available,
but
particularly
where
it's
going
to
be
required
in
these
ncaa
sanctioned
activities.
K
As
to
your
third
question,
senator
the
general
fund,
at
least
my
I
am
certainly
not
a
finance
background
person.
I
went
to
law
school
because
I
don't
do
math,
but
what
I
understand
is
this
gets
paid
out
of
the
general
fund
and
then
coveted
funds
gets.
K
And
and
essentially
we
reimburse
ourselves
so
to
speak
through
the
covet
funds,
but
it
has
to
initially
be
spent
out
of
the
university
funds
in
order
to
meet
audit
standards
on
some
of
those
federal
guidelines
that
come
with
the
coven
money.
So
I
fully
anticipate
as
last
year
that
this
contract
would
be
paid
through
coveted
funds.
That's
just
not
a
direct
payment
as
we
spend
it.
We
then
can
draw
it
down
out
of
the
federal
coded
money.
E
Okay,
I
appreciate
your
answers
and
just
full
disclosure,
so
I
don't
have
to
explain
about
later
I'll
I'll
vote
vote.
No,
but
I
understand
the
situation
you're
in.
I
just
want
to
clarify.
I
appreciate
you're
not
requiring
the
vaccines.
That'd
be
illegal,
but
the
issue,
of
course,
is
as
we
move
forward.
E
You
know
there
is
such
thing
as
a
flu
shot
that's
available
every
year,
we're
not
testing
everybody
for
the
flu
every
week,
but
we
need
to
be
looking
at
how
to
get
out
of
this
crazy
circus
we've
been
in,
and
I
understand
the
ncaa
may
not
stay
the
same
way
as
kentucky
state
legislature,
but-
and
certainly
some
of
my
colleagues
may
not
see
it
same
way
as
I
do,
but
I
don't
want
to
be
supporting
this
never-ending.
E
You
know
change
for
the
future
that,
frankly
it's
there
are
a
lot
of
other
things
that
our
student
athletes
are
probably
a
lot
more
susceptible
to
than
cobit.
I
think
the
statistics
are
pretty
low
on
numbers
of
young
people
that
are
either
affected
or
affected
greatly.
Certainly,
that's
something
that
I
look
forward
to
supporting
our
agency
so
to
send
that
message.
A
Yes,
thank
you
senator
southworth
and,
of
course
the
ncaa
has
a
lot
of
issues
they
have
to
address.
So
maybe
this
is
a
good
way
to
get
some
distance
from
those
other
issues,
but
it
is
what
it
is.
Are
there
any
other
questions
regarding
this
contract,
if
not
entertain
a
motion
to
prove
it
as
presented
motion
by
representative
harger?
Second,
second,
second
representative
bowling,
all
those
favorite
emotional
vote,
I
all
opposed
will
vote
no
clerk.
Please
call
the
road.
L
L
A
Just
like
to
explain
my
vote,
I
certainly
agree
with
the
center
southwest
position
and
this
thing
has
really
gotten
just
out
of
hand,
but
I
will
vote
in
favor
of
the
contract,
but
I
appreciate
you
making
the
concern.
Senator
southward
motion
carries
appreciate
you
all
being
here
this
morning,
always
good
to
see
you
thank
you
for
visiting
with
us
next
item
on
the
pull
list
are
with
the
finance
office
of
secretary
and
it's
number
65
and
68.
A
Yeah,
I'm
sorry
next
time
on
the
pool,
let's
finance
office
secretary
in
our
finance,
our
numbers,
65
368
and
rooney
psc
green
list
and
number
80
on
the
psc
amendment
list.
If
representatives
are
here,
please
identify
yourself
the
record.
A
L
The
you
know,
the
the
four
contracts
65
through
68
are,
for
you
know,
general
legal
services
for
the
entire
executive
branch,
those
contracts
which
I
think
they're
100
100
000
not
to
exceed
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
Our
contracts
that
are,
you
know,
will
be
used
if,
if
needed-
and
so
we
are
not-
currently,
you
know
expending
expending
funds,
but
if,
if
cases
arise
or
situations
arise,
where
you
know,
additional
support
for
individual
legal
offices
are
is
needed.
L
Again,
senator
this
is
not
a
a
blank
check.
We
are
not
expending
any
funds
on
these
contracts.
Currently,
however,
if
cases
do
arise,
you
know
in
the
future
where
additional
support
is
needed,
for
you
know
either
you
know
various
cabinets
or
agencies
throughout
the
executive
branch.
These
these
contracts
will
be
an
option
if
necessary,
and
so
they
will
only
be
utilized
in
situations
where
you
know
internal
staff
or
agency
staff,
or
you
know,
you
know,
need
additional
support.
A
L
Well,
I'm
sorry
senator
I
mean
I,
I
know
that
just
just
from
you
know
when,
when
governor
rasheer
took
office
and-
and
I
I
was
appointed
to
this
role,
I
stepped
into
the
finance
seat
and
absolutely
the
prior
administration
had
had
legal
contracts
that
they
had
entered
into.
So
I
mean
I
I
can,
you
know,
provide
those
to
you
if
you
if
you
wish,
but
so
I
I
may
not,
may
not
understand.
A
A
Now
I
appreciate
that
other
cabinets
may
have
to
engage
outside
council,
but
you
know
we
employ
more
attorneys
here
than
probably
any
other
entity
in
the
state
of
kentucky
and
there's
two
issues
here.
One
either
there's
not
enough
manpower-
and
I
got
again-
I
know
under
the
the
office
of
general
counsel
that
they
have
more
attorneys
in
the
previous
administration
or
they
don't
have
the
expertise
necessary
to
address
these
issues
that
we're
talking
about
here
and
again,
I'm
going
to
remind
you
that
previously
the
administration,
they
didn't,
have
these
contracts.
L
Again,
these
these
contracts
are
for
situations
where
you
know,
situations
arise
where
there
is
not
significant
or
there's
not
enough.
Internal
support
to
to
address
cases
that
agencies
and
cabinets
will
have
the
ability
to
to
utilize
these
contracts,
if
necessary,.
L
It
was
a
it
was
led
at
a
time
when
you
know
we
were
in
the
middle
of
the
pandemic,
and
you
know
the
the
executive
branch
was
facing
a
number
of
legal
challenges
and
that
contract
has
been
utilized
to
support
the
executive
branch,
and
you
know,
in
terms
of
its
you
know,
responsibilities
in
addressing
various
and
sundry
pieces
of
litigation.
A
L
Senator
I
cannot
comment
as
to
you
know
what
the
what
the
bevin
administration
chose
to
do
or
not
to
do.
But
again,
as
I
explained
previously,
the
contract
number
80
that
you
referenced
was
was
let
during
a
time
when
you
know
we
were
in
the
middle
of
the
coveted
19
pandemic,
and
the
executive
branch
was
inundated
by.
L
Well,
that's
part
of
the
senator
that
that's
part
of
the
scope
of
the
contract,
this
the
scope
of
the
contract
indicates
that
those
contracts
will
be
utilized.
When
you
know
the
resources
of
of
the
executive
branch,
are
it's
either
unable
or
inappropriate
to
address
those
particular
matters,
and
so
those
contracts
will
only
be
utilized
in
those
situations.
L
I'm
saying
that
that
that
is
part
of
the
you
know,
that
is
part
of
the
scope
of
the
contract.
A
A
But
I
don't
know
how
we
validate
that
these
are
things
that
could
not
be
handled
by
in-house
counsel.
Wouldn't
it
be
better
when
you
got
these
situations,
never
one
well
knows
my
aversion
to
retroactive
approval
contracts,
but
if
you've
got
a
specific
situation
requires
outside
counsel,
why
you
couldn't
go
ahead
and
do
that
for
those
specific
instances
and
come
back
to
us
with
a
retroactive
approval,
wouldn't
that
make
more
sense
and
allow
us
to
fulfill
our
responsibilities.
L
Senator
the
the
advantage
to
to
undertaking
this
course
of
action
is
it
allowed
us
to
rfp
it
allowed
us
to.
You
know,
have
that
rfp
out
on
the
street
for
a
longer
period
of
time
to
score
those
rfps
and
to
negotiate
a
price.
You
know
absent.
The
pressure
of
you
know
a
piece
of
litigation
that
that
you
know
may
require
a
determination
that
the
contract
is
not
practical
bid
and,
and
you
know,
kind
of
force
us
to
forgo
the
rfp
process.
A
Well
again,
we're
we're
facing
potentially
a
million
dollars
in
legal
services
and
beyond,
what's
currently
in
house
and
may
and
may
not
be
a
lot
to
you.
But
it's
a
lot
to
me.
You
know
you
can
divide
this
amongst
the
six
counties
in
my
district
and
you
know
if
I
could
go
to
them
and
say:
hey
I've
got
150
000
for
you
that
you
can
use
for
whatever
they
would
be
ecstatic.
They
think
wow.
That
is
really
something.
A
But
I
can't
do
that
because
we're
continuing
to
have
a
shortage
of
funds,
shortage
of
revenue
and
I'm
just
amazed
what
we're
willing
to
spend
money
for
in
things
that
we
won't
spend
money
for-
and
this
just
bothers
me
greatly.
I
think
that
if
you
have
company
council
in-house
that
you
don't
need
outside
counsel-
and
I
can't
imagine
everybody
being
so
busy
that
we
couldn't
just
to
work
a
few
extra
hours
to
to
do
these
things.
But
I
get
in
good
conscience
support
these.
A
D
I
got
a
comment
and
I'm
I'm
trying
to
wrap
my
mind
around
this
you
when
I
asked
how
many
people
on
staff
was
considered.
General
counsel,
your
answer
was,
you
wasn't
sure.
D
Well,
if,
if
you're
not
able
to
understand
or
know
how
many
people
you
have
on
staff,
how
can
we
trust
you
to
spend
these
funds
with
due
diligence
and
responsibility?
D
I
mean
that
that's
the
big
red
flag
here
if
we've
got
general
counsel
on
staff.
If,
if
there's
a
particular
area,
where
you
need
a
particular
expertise,
I
understand
why
these
contracts
are
needed.
But
your
answer
was
you.
You
didn't
know
how
many
people
on
staff
was
considered
general
counsel,
so
I
don't
think
we
can
approve
these
contracts
until
we
at
least
find
out
how
many
people
we
have
on
staff
that
are
general
counsel.
L
Well,
representative,
hart,
thank
you
for
the
question,
maybe
I'll.
Allow
me
to
clarify
thank.
L
I
believe
senator
hornback's
question
was
how
many
counts
were
on
on
staff
at
the
governor's
office,
so
so
I'm
general
counsel,
the
finance
and
administration
cabinet.
So.
D
Okay,
well,
okay,
let
me
rephras,
then
let
me
let
me
rephrase
and
ask
ask
a
direct
question:
are
these
funds
that
were
these
contracts
that
we
are
proven,
are
they
for
the
finance
cabinet
or
will
they
be
used
for
the
finance
cabinet
or
other
cabinets?
So
the.
L
These
contracts,
and,
and
specifically
I'm
referring
to
the
really
all
these
contracts,
they
are
for
the
executive
branch,
finance
and
administration.
Let
these
contracts,
but
they
you
know,
will
be
you
know
able
to
be
utilized
by
the
executive
branch.
A
L
No,
I
believe
these
contracts
will
be
utilized
for
issues
that
arise
in
the
executive
branch,
and
so
that's
you
know
the
the
various
and
sundry
cabinets
throughout
the
throughout
the
executive
branch.
A
L
Senator
respectfully,
I
I
don't
believe
it
does
again.
We
these
contracts
are
let
for
situations
where
litigation
arises,
that
an
assessment
is
made
in
terms
of
whether
internal
staff
is
either
unable
or
it's
inappropriate
for
internal
staff
to
handle
those
those
duties
and
in
those
situations,
these
contracts
will
be
utilized.
A
L
I
believe
that
all
four
firms
that
responded
to
the
rfp
there
may
have
been
five
firms
that
responded
to
the
rfp,
but
I
believe
all
of
them
received
a
contract.
But
I
honestly-
I
I
don't
know
sitting
here
today.
A
E
K
E
Might
be
back
to
our
45a
discussion,
I
know
we
had
last
month
discuss
needing
to
look
at
how
things
work
and
I'm
not
a
hundred
percent
clear.
I
was
wondering
if
anybody,
whether
our
guests
or
committee
staff
or
somebody
can
help
me
understand
the
issue
when
we
have
these
up
to
100
000
contracts
and
we've
got
these
guys
on
hold.
E
You
know
with
valleys
law
firms,
essentially
waiting
in
the
wings
for
whatever
we
call
them
and
say:
okay,
now
we
got
a
job
for
you
and
is
it
something
that
we
could
do
in
a
more
master
agreement
style
contract
where
we
could
have
them
on
hold
half
the
rfp,
have
the
negotiated
rate
of
125,
but
not
actually
be
using
it
and
actually
issue
a
new
contract?
One
of
those
retroactive
approvals
that
you
mentioned.
E
You
know
when
something
pops
up
and
all
of
a
sudden
everybody's
out
on
vacation.
We
need
to
have
this
thing
filed
tomorrow,
quick
call,
the
you
know,
goldberg
simpson
and
and
they'll
pull
it
out
for
us,
and
then
we
throw
it
in
the
contract.
Okay,
we're
retroactive
approval
on
this
x
amount
specific
to
this
x
project.
Is
that
something
that's
already
within
the
scope
of
our
process?
E
Or
is
it
something
that
we
need
to
look
at
in
the
future
so
that,
as
you
mentioned,
we
can
actually
keep
tabs
on
you
know
doing
our
job
of
you
know.
Was
this?
Actually,
you
know
meeting
all
the
criteria
unable
to
find
another
attorney
in
state
so
forth
other
besides,
just
these
blanket
pre-approvals
that
we
have
no
idea
if
we'll
use
and
how
much
and
for
what.
A
Well,
I
think
you
have
a
couple
issues.
Senator
southwark's
first
is
the
master
agreement.
I
haven't
been
able
to
find
anyone
who
can
explain
to
me.
You
know
what
to
fall
under
a
master
agreement.
It
seems
to
be
a
term
of
convenience
for
some
folks.
If
they
don't
want
to
come
before
this
committee,
then
it
becomes
part
of
the
master
agreement
and
that's
why
I
plead
that
we
should
have
some
definition
to
this.
A
As
far
as
this,
I
don't
have
any
problem
with
the
process
itself.
If
the
process
is
fair
and
it's
deliberate,
which
to
me
suggests,
maybe
it's
not
when
again,
you
have
a
an
rfp
with
multiple
law
firms
in
kentucky
and
united
states,
and
we
only
get
five
requests
for
proposals
and
another
thing
that
concerns
me.
Is
you
look
at
all
the
legal
contracts
we
approve
and
it's
the
same
players
almost
every
time,
so
I'm
not
sure
how
to
improve
the
process.
I
guess
that's
a
discussion
for
another.
A
C
Good
question:
senator
meredith,
yes,
please,
my
question
is:
is
there
a
process
for
which
the
executive
branch
would
consult?
I
guess
with
the
attorney
general's
office,
you
know
before
farming
out
litigation
to
outside
sources
is.
Is
there
at
least
a
conversation
there?
You
know
to
see
if
if,
if,
if
it's
what's
best
for
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky,
if
they
have
extra,
you
know
general
counsel,
extra
attorneys
sitting
around
that
could
help
them
on
the
issue.
C
You
know
that
might
help
us
save
money
as
well.
Is
there
a
conversation
had
there.
L
Thank
you
representative.
I
apologize.
I
just
couldn't
tell
who
was
speaking
so
in
if
situations
arise,
where
consultation
with
the
attorney
general's
office
is,
is
appropriate.
You
know,
that's,
certainly
something
that
you
know
probably
or
or
could
be
undertaken.
L
However,
in
the
majority
of
cases,
the
the
various
and
center
cabinets
under
the
executive
branch
umbrella
have
have
internal
legal
offices
that
that
handle
their.
You
know
legal
legal
issues
and
again,
if,
if,
if
internal
staff,
there
is
not
appropriate,
that's
that's
when
these
contracts
would
be
would
be
looked
at
to
see
if
they
should
be
utilized.
A
Any
other
questions
comments
now
those
are
a
motion
to
approve
and
this
we're
acting
at
the
moment
on
contracts
65
through
68..
That's
your
motion
to
prove.
D
A
D
K
This
is,
I
appreciate.
F
The
points
my
colleagues
have
made,
but
the
commonwealth
has
a
lot
of
legal
needs
and
it's
not
unusual
at
all
to
hire
outside
counsel
for
certain
jobs,
particularly
complex
civil
litigation
and
we're
oversight
board.
But
again
I
don't
think
it's
our
job
to
micromanage
when
general
counsel
needs
to
bring
in
people
with
specific
expertise.
H
A
Explain
my
vote
as
well.
My
vote.
I
this
is
an
attempt
to
micromanage
any
segment
of
government.
What
it's
attempting
to
do
is
build
accountability
in
the
process
and
that's
what
concerns
me
again.
The
responsibility
of
this
committee
is
make
sure
that
we're
not
expanding
resources
that
could
or
should
be
handled
within
a
state
government.
We
have
no
way
of
determining
that
other
than
retrospectively
doing
it
and,
I
still
say,
there's
a
process
to
do
that
by
actually
identifying
what
services
are
needed
and
if
that
requires
a
retroactive
approval
of
this
committee.
A
J
This
is
on.
This
is
number
eighty
right.
Yes,
okay,
is
this
the
same
firm
in
this
request
that
represented
represent?
Is
this
vendor
the
one
from
the
kentucky
wired
program
and
negotiated
contract?
It
was
clearly
clearly
less
than
adaptations
for
the
commonwealth.
L
Representative,
I
I
do
not
believe
so.
I'm
I'm
unfamiliar
with
the
situation
that
you're
referring
to.
J
L
Again,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
unfamiliar
with
that.
With
that
situation,
I
I
am
familiar
at
least
to
some
degree
familiar
with
with
kentucky
wired,
I'm
unaware
of
any
dealings
with
this
particular
firm
with
kentucky
wire,
but
I
I
may
just
be
ignorant
of
those
facts.
I
I
don't
believe
they've
had
any
deal.
A
If
lot,
let
me
just
say
that
this
appears
to
be
a
continuation
of
litigation
regarding
previous
action.
I've
got
some
serious
reservations
about
approving
this
contract.
The
first
goal
around.
A
I
think
it's
very
inappropriate
to
have
to
engage
outside
counsel
for
something
I
think
that
the
general
counsel
should
be
able
to
do
should
be
qualified
to
do.
If
not,
then
they
shouldn't
be
general
counsel
to
the
governor,
but
with
that
said,
I
will
make
a
motion
to
prove
this
contract.
A
C
J
A
F
I
My
vote
to.
F
I'm
sorry
I'm
having.
I
have
a
bad
connection,
I'd
like
to
change
my
vote
to
know.
A
A
D
A
A
A
Excuse
me
first,
I
had
about
conversation
but
again
since
there
was
not
enough
votes
to
approve
the
contract
or
disapprove
the
contract,
and
it
goes
to
the
office
of
secretary
of
finance
for
a
final
determination
of
the
contract.
So
thank
you
appreciate
you
being
present
this
morning.
Next
item
on
the
agenda
is.
L
A
From
co-chair
cook
and
center
southworth
co-chair
cook
I'll
refer
to
you.
First
thanks.
J
Chairman
meredith,
I
guess
to
start
off,
there's
been
a
lot
of
chatter
on
this
one.
I've
had
a
lot
of
several
phone
calls
on
this,
so
if
we
could
just
start
off
with
a
better
explanation
than
the
couple
sentences
that
we
have
here,
that
would
be
great.
K
Yes,
sir,
thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
be
here
this
morning.
As
it
turns
out,
this
was
actually
just
a
the
normal
rfp
process.
It
was
time
for
this
contract
to
be
rebid
that
happens
generally
every
six
years
on
a
professional
service
contract.
So
what
happened?
Was
we
put
an
rfp
out
and,
and
just
generally
it
went
through
the
process
in
order
to
keep
the
integrity
of
the
of
the
contract
itself,
so
I'm
not
really
sure
what
type
of
detail
you're
looking
for.
J
More
details
about
the
contractors
just
been
a,
I
guess,
with
the
old
coming
out
and
the
new
coming
in
and
there's
received,
several
phone
calls
complaints.
The
actual
cost
was
going
up
and
if
we
could
just
get
some
explanation
on
that,
that
would
be
very
helpful.
Okay.
K
So
it
is
for
the
first
time
in
many
many
years
that
we
have
awarded
to
a
new
vendor.
The
commonwealth
had
had
their
previous
vendor
for
probably
close
to
10
years
or
more,
at
least
so.
Obviously,
this
particular
contract
handles
all
three
of
our
me's
offices.
K
Along
with
corner
services
for
toxicology
coroner
services
for
all
120
counties,
contract
went
into
place
on
july
1st
and,
of
course
they,
the
new
vendor,
nms
labs,
could
not
perform
any
services
on
that
contract
until
that
date,
a
rollout
of
this
particular
size
does
take
some
time
there
were
toxicology
kits
that
had
to
be
delivered.
There
were
accounts
that
had
to
be
set
up
all
across
the
state,
just
general
communications
back
and
forth.
K
We
did
have
some
challenges
in
that
process,
as
we
didn't
have
as
current
of
information
as
we
were
hoping
for
as
far
as
reaching
out
to
all
120
in
that
process,
though
our
vendor,
you
know,
has
done,
we
believe
everything
that
they
possibly
can
to
make
contact
with
each
one
of
those
individuals
get
those
kits
to
them
and
and
move
the
contract
forward.
It's
just,
as
I
said
anytime,
there
is
a
a
major
rollout
of
something
this
size.
K
It
of
course,
takes
a
little
bit
of
time
to
to
navigate
all
of
that
as
far
as
cost
the
cost
was
negotiated.
K
With
the
current
with
our
current
vendor,
we
negotiated
to
pretty
close
to
the
same
prices
that
we
were
paying
with
the
previous
vendor
and
then
the
contract
cost
itself.
The
1.3
million
was
based
off
those
negotiated
prices
and
the
past
usage
for
this
particular
type.
So.
J
K
E
I
wanted
to
get
a
little
better
handle
on.
Apparently,
we've
been
using
these
a
vendor
for
this
work
for
a
long
time,
but
you
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
concern
about
speed
and
efficiency
in
the
state
lab
and
I'm
kind
of
curious
how
this
ties
in
because
my
understanding-
and
maybe
I'm
off-
that
the
medical
examiner's
office
was
using
the
state
lab,
but
they
got
so
behind.
We
started
contracting
out
for
certain
things.
Is
that
stuff
that
we
are
going
to
end
up
being
able
to
bring
back
into
in-house?
E
Or
is
this
going
to
be?
You
know
winding
down
work
from
this
day
lab,
or
is
this
just
a
buffer
in
case
we
get
behind
or
we've
never
used
a
state
lab
for
this
particular
thing,
and
what
is
this
particular
thing
that
we're
testing
here.
K
That
this
contract
would
have
normally
covered
the
justice
and
public
safety
cabinet
office
of
state
medical
examiner
has
had
this
contract
in
place,
for,
like,
I
said
at
least
through
08,
I
think
was
the
last
that
I
could
find
on
it.
So
there
may
have
been
some
crossover
at
one
time,
but
I
am
not
aware
of
what
that
was.
I
do
foresee
that
we
will
continue
to
use
this
type
of
contract,
that
it
would
be
something
we
would
go
forward
with
continually.
C
I
did
thank
you,
chairman
meredith.
Let
me
ask
you
on
this.
You
said
comparing
it
to
our
previous
vendor.
You
said
the
pricing,
both
the
contract
and
other
costs
were
we're
fairly
close.
What
does
fairly
close
mean?
I'm
I'm
new
on
this
committee
and
I'm
trying
to
learn.
So
if
you
could,
please
educate
me
on
that.
K
Okay,
so
on
this
particular
contract,
we
knew,
of
course,
what
we
had
been
paying
for
the
majority
of
of
our
samples,
of
course,
to
the
previous
vendor.
With
this
bid,
we
negotiated
down
to,
I
think,
for
the
most
part
they're
pretty
close,
there
may
be
a
50
cent
difference
in
one
of
the
panels
that
we
use
most
often
so
we
basically
just
went
through
negotiation
process
in
order
to
get
those
costs
as
close
to
what
we
had
currently
been
paying
with
the
previous
vendor.
C
Okay,
so
the
the
cost
is
is
very
minimal.
I
don't
know
how
many
tests
we
do,
how
many
panels
we
send
out.
I
mean
50
cents,
not
a
lot
on
100
panels,
but
if
you're
doing
you
know
50
million
panels,
yeah
that's
a
lot
of
money,
so
I
just
have
no
idea
how
to
put
that
in
perspective.
I
mean
how
many,
how
many
panels
do
you
are
normally
sent
a
year.
K
And
I
apologize
because
I
don't
have
the
number
right
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
do
believe
there
was
an
estimated
in
the
rfp
itself.
Jessica
peach
is
the
buyer
and
she's
with
us.
She
may
have
that
number
or
at
least
be
able
to
pull
that
out
for
you
before
we
finish
up
here.
I
want
to
say
an
estimated
5
000
or
something,
but
please
forgive
me
because
that's
just
what's
popping
into
my
head.
C
K
The
increased
cost
themselves.
No,
we
negotiated
the
two,
the
two
panels
that
were
most
utilized
in
the
previous
vendor.
We
negotiated
the
price
with
the
current
vendor.
One
is
actually
50
cents
less.
I
think
the
other
one
is
probably
spot
on.
C
Okay,
the
county
corners,
have
they
seen
their
cost
increase
any
you
know
in
the
implementation
from
the
old
vendor
to
the
new
vendor.
Is
there
any
upfront
costs
that
they've
had
to
kind
of
carry?
Is
their
increased
cost
moving
forward
day
to
day
and
what
they're
going
to
be
spending
sending
their
results
to
the
to
the
lab
and
getting
the
results.
C
Okay,
what
about
the
timing
on
the
reports
as
far
as
you
send
them
off
to
this
lab,
and
when,
when
do
you,
when
do
you
expect
to
get
the
results
back?
I
know
we
had
a
huge
backlog
that
we
worked
through
throughout
the
years,
and
I
know
that
was
on
a
different,
a
different
test,
but
compared
to
the
previous
vendor.
K
So
the
contract
is
based
off
of
a
two
week
time
frame.
What
will
happen
is
those
initial
results
when
they
or
those
initial
samples
when
they
send
in
they
have
a
basic
two
weeks
in
order
to
return
those
that
is
pretty
well
inside
the
guidelines
of
the
previous
contract
as
well.
Now,
what
will
happen
is
if
further
testing
is
needed
once
they've
gotten
there.
K
So
maybe
the
state
medical
examiner's
office
requests
something
further
or
an
additional
recommendation.
Then,
of
course
those
types
of
tests
will
could
extend
that
time
frame
somewhat,
but
we
kept
the
time
frame
from
the
previous
contract.
C
I
guess
we
we
had
two
weeks
yesterday,
but
have
they
been
meeting
that
or
do
you
all
expect
them
to
I'm
sure
you
expect
them
to,
but
I
guess
I
would
maybe
once
we
get
into
this
contract,
a
little
more,
you
know
see,
make
sure
they're
meeting
that
and
they're
fulfilling
their
duties
on
that
and
one
last
question
on
this
vendor.
Were
there
references
sent
out
to
other
folks
other
states?
C
K
Okay,
so
we
did
not
send
out
a
request
for
references
for
from
other
states.
It
was
a
fairly
straight
up
rfp
process,
and
that
was
not
one
of
the
things
that
was
listed.
So
we
did
not
do
that.
Then.
The
first
part
of
your
question,
I
believe
you
were
asking
as
far
as
the
timeline
there
has
been
some
confusion
that
has
gone
out,
I'm
not
positive
that
they
have
even
received
their
first
sample.
Okay,.
K
K
K
There
also
may
have
been
some
confusion
with
the
kentucky
coroner's
association
on
whether
or
not
this
contract
was
viable
at
the
time,
and
therefore
I'm
not
really
certain
that
any
of
our
coroners
have
started
sending
samples
to
the
new
vendor
at
this
time
they
should.
D
K
I
wanted
to
speak
to
that.
I
got
an
email
on
it
this
morning,
so
our
new
vendor
had
stated
that
they
have
received
samples
from
about
seven
counties
so
far,
I'm
not
sure
the
date
they
received
them,
but
they
did.
Let
us
know
that
okay.
C
Thank
you
and
mr
chairman,
one
more
question:
if
you
may
so
not
getting
the
references,
so
this
company
there
was
an
opportunity
to
see
kind
of
what
their
performance
had
been
with
previous
states
or
entities,
and
we
did
not
take
advantage
of
that
and
seeking
this
contract.
Is
that
correct.
A
K
That
is,
that
is
pretty
well
close
to
true.
We
base
this
off
of
it's
not
necessarily
the
bid,
so
I
don't
want
to
give
the
impression
that
they
that
they
presented
a
cost
to
us
and
that's
what
we
went
with.
We
negotiated
the
cost
of
the
individual
testing
type.
You
know
situation
and
then
we
based
the
overall
contract
amount
on
past
usage
of
that
testing.
K
A
A
K
K
Okay,
the
we
did
receive
two
bids
from
from
our
solicitation.
K
A
K
A
It'll
be
acceptable,
but
I
don't
think
that
we
can
act
on
this
contract
today
and
you
know
square
disturbing.
They
were
looking
at
a
30
increase
in
cost
and
really
no
justification
other
than
the
other
bidder
did
not
qualify
for
whatever
reason
that
that's
being
protested
it
just
this.
This
doesn't
make
sense
to
me,
but
let
me
defer
to
co-chair
cook,
because
I
think
he
has
a
question.
J
Yes,
sir,
thank
you
senator
meredith,
and
that
that's
where
I
went
the
same
direction.
I
was
going
to
go
after
you
know
they.
She
said
you
said
that
the
price
was
close
to
the
same,
and
my
question
was:
if
the
price
was
close,
to
the
same,
which
it's
not
as
higher,
why
did
we
go
with
the
one
that's
higher,
with
the
vendors
being
there?
What
what
grievance
did?
We
have
against
the
previous
vendor
also
wondering
where
the
county
corners
on
this?
Were
they
consulted
at
any
point
in
this
process?.
K
We're
not
consulted
that
I'm
aware
of
this
is
a
a
contract
with
the
justice
and
public
safety
cabinet
that
they
are
allowed
to
utilize.
If
funding
is
is
available
for
that,
and
so
I
don't.
I
don't
believe
this
is
a
contract
that
we
are
required
to
offer
to
them,
but
we
do
so.
J
E
A
I
think
that's
appropriate
senator
southworth,
given
that
there's
a
lot
of
unanswered
questions
today
in
a
very
nimble
situation.
So
if
that's
your
motion,
I'll
accept
it
is
there
a
second
second
by
representative
bowling,
all
those
in
favor
deferring
action
on
this
contract
vote
eye
all
opposed
vote,
no
clerk!
Please
call
the
road.
C
D
A
D
A
I
explain
my
vote
as
well.
I'm
a
yes,
because
we've
got
a
30
increase
in
the
contract,
which
really
can
be
quantified
for
any
reason
we're
getting
ready
to
enter
into
a
budget
year
where
everybody's
attending
demanding
additional
resources,
and
it's
just
not
there
and
there's
just
not
a
comfort
level
that
we
can
look
at
300
000,
just
because
I
think
we
need
more
information.
But
with
that
the
motion
carries
the
contract
is
deferred
to
next
month,
and
we
will
look
forward
to
hearing
from
you
folks
when
we
come
back
in
august.
Thank
you.
F
F
I
would
like
to
change
my
vote.
Please,
on
on
item
80,
the
pst
contract.
I
would
like
to
change
my
vote
from.
A
D
And
I
apologize
for
it,
which
kind.
A
And,
in
addition
to
providing
the
the
services,
that's
in
the
description
here,
implementation
of
internal
revenue,
service
codes
and
requests
for
private
rulings
and
so
forth.
Haven't
they
also
been
involved
in
litigation.
D
No,
I
don't
recall
ice
miller
representing
us
in
a
matter
of
litigation,
I'm
trying
to
think
I've
been
at
the
retirement
system
for
a
long
time.
I
don't
recall
a
specific
example
of
them
representing
us
in
a
court
case.
D
Yes,
sir,
it
is
very
specialized
work.
Isomer
is
a
large
law
firm,
they
represent
a
lot
of
pension
plans
across
the
nation
and
then
they
do
have
expertise
in
federal
tax
law
and
they
keep
up
with
that.
D
That
do
nothing
to
keep
up
with
the
revenue
rulings,
because
tax
law
is
is
changing.
It's
very
important
for
us
to
be
compliant
with
federal
tax
law.
Our
members
are
able
to
make
contributions
to
the
retirement
system
on
a
tax-deferred
basis,
which
is
you
know,
an
important
tax
advantage.
It's
it's
more
take-home
pay
and
their
paychecks
and
less
going
to
washington.
So
it's
something
we've
not
always
enjoyed.
D
We've
had
that
for
a
long
time
longer
than
since
I've
been
there,
but
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
to
make
sure
we
are
compliant.
We
use
them
on
an
as
needed
basis.
So
I
think
last,
the
fiscal
year
that
just
concluded,
you
know
thirty
three
thousand
seven
hundred
fifty
dollars
fees
to
ice
miller,
but
they
do
have
tremendous
experience.
A
lot
of
that.
We
just
pick
up
the
phone
there's
something
coming
out
of
dc.
D
D
There
were
seven
responses
to
this
one.
A
And
what
was
the
spread
in
the
the
hourly
rate.
D
I
I
don't
recall,
but
they
were
all
high.
This
ice
miller
fee
is
competitive
with
folks
with
other
firms
that
do
this
kind
of
work
who
have
the
qualifications
and
the
competence
to
do
this
kind
of
work.
D
It
is,
but
I
would
say
it
was
well
spent,
given
the
savings,
the
tax
savings
that
we
have
for
our
teachers
and
their
paychecks.
A
Well,
I
respect
you
and
defer
to
your
job's
been
on
it,
but
does
give
me
a
sense
of
security
that
at
least
there's
an
rfp
and
there
were
people
that
responded.
So
I
appreciate
that.
Yes,
sir,
are
there
any
questions
regarding
87,
if
not
entertain,
a
motion
to
prove
this
contract
make.
A
I
A
Aye
motion
carries
on
contracts
number
88
co-chair
cook.
Has
questions
co-chair
cook.
J
Thank
you
senator
meredith
and
sir
thanks
for
your
explanation
and
that
sums
up
the
same
place.
I
was
going
with
this.
The
maximum
rate
was
exceeded
and
just
needed
some
ex.
Whenever
we
do
that,
I
feel
like
we
need
an
explanation
of
why
we're
going
there
and
I
feel,
like
you,
summed
it
up
pretty
well
if
that
all
falls
in
line
with
the
contract
87.
My
questions
are
answered.
A
C
B
A
A
A
It's
a
lot
of
money,
you're
spending
here,
125
million
and
the
funding
source
says
other
100.
What's
the
other.
M
A
M
Probably
for
the
the
hospitals,
I
think
health
departments
can
use
it
as
well,
but
mostly
for
the
mental
health
facilities.
Hospitals
across
the
state.
M
They
would
request
from
multiple
multiple
of
these
vendors
or,
whichever
vendors
I
think,
may
be,
and
able
to
provide
staffing
in
a
geographical
area.
That's
needed,
they
would
ask
for
resumes
potential
staff
and
then
they
would
review
those
and
issue
the
delivery
order
for
the
candidates
they
feel
are
most
qualified.
A
M
M
A
Confirm
last
question
I
have
for
you
is,
you
know
you
got,
contract
118
is
with
a
california
firm
and
don't
know
if
you're
aware
or
not,
but
I
have
a
real
aversion
to
doing
business
with
the
california
companies,
given
that
the
previous
attorney
general
prohibits
state
employees
from
california
to
travel
in
kentucky
and
protests
of
legislation
we
passed
in
2017
and
obviously
that
action
was
intended
to
harm
the
economy
of
kentucky,
and
this
was
legislation
that
had
absolutely
no
impact
on
california
whatsoever,
be
he
saw
the
necessity
to
do
this,
so
I
encountered
opposition
to
that.
A
M
I
think
that
we
had
22
vendors
respond
to
this
contract,
this
rfp
and
we
wanted
to
award
up
to
five
to
provide
a
necessary
coverage.
I
think
the
problem
with
our
agency
not
awarding
to
the
best
evaluated
vendors
and
we
do
not
have
a
law
that
supports
eliminating
a
vendor
based
on
their
location.
So
I
think,
if
we
had
of
eliminated
a
vendor
from
consideration,
that's
from
california
that
would
be
protested,
and
I
don't
know
that
we
could
support
that
with
our
our
laws,
the
not
awarding.
M
M
It
was
a
an
evaluation
team.
I
don't
have
the
names
of
the
individuals
on
that
team.
M
Yes,
sir,
it
was
based
on
a
variety
of
factors:
the
vendors
qualifications,
their
ability
to
provide
24
hour
accessibility.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
have
just
one
quick
question
on
the
staffing
for
staffing
purposes.
Is
this
staffing?
Will
it
be
majority
in-person
staffing
like
actual
human
in
a
facility
or
will
it
be
through
telehealth
have
any
idea
on
that.
M
C
Okay,
just
kind
of
broader,
not
necessarily
on
this,
but
you
know
telehealth
it
off
offers
us
a
lot
has
a
lot
to
bring
to
the
table,
but
we
are
kind
of
going
through
this
process
of
going
from.
You
know,
brick
and
mortar
to
more
and
more
telehealth
services
and
there's
a
lot
of
good
that
comes
in
that,
but
there's
also
in
this
process.
A
I'd
like
to
make
the
committee
aware
that
we
did
disapprove
a
contract
from
company
california,
the
amount
of
252
000
dollars
which
university
of
louisville
had
presented
to
us
previously
and
that
disapproval
was
not
overruled
by
the
finance
cabinet,
so
some
pressing
has
already
been
set
there
and
again
it.
This
really
concerns
me
that
we
have
another
state
that
doesn't
recognize
the
sovereignty
of
kentucky.
A
It's
protesting
legislation
that
absolutely
has
no
impact
on
california
whatsoever,
but
they
decide
to
take
that
action
in
order
to
punish
the
state
of
kentucky,
and
I
love
this
state.
It's
like
a
family
member.
You
insult
one
of
a
family
members
gonna
have
to
pay
the
price
for
that,
and
I
think
we
need
to
send
a
strong
message
to
california
instead
of
kentucky's
business,
and
I
don't
know
how
else
to
do
that
other
than
disapprove
these
contracts.
A
D
Just
a
brief
comment,
mr
chairman,
I
concur
with
what
the
chairman
said
and
I
won
moving
forward.
I
I
hope
that
we
are
a
little
bit
more
due
diligent.
I
know
that
in
committee
meetings
passed,
we
we
might
have
missed
some
california
companies,
but
we're
not
picking
on
any
one
company
we're
trying
to
send
a
message
to
california.
D
A
F
I
vote
no
on
the
motion
to
disapprove
we're
supposed
to
be
stewards
of
the
people's
money.
This
is
the
you
know.
This
is
the
contract
that
is
the
low,
is
the
low
bid.
They
can
provide
the
services
that
the
commonwealth
needs
and
I'm
you
know
I.
I
do
not
support
the
motion
to
disapprove.
A
I
just
again
like
to
explain
my
vote
not
to
be
redundant,
but
just
because
this
firm
was
selected
doesn't
mean
they're,
necessarily
the
low
bid
remember
again
that
these
contracts
are
scored
supposedly
who's
the
best
contract.
So
you
have
no
guarantee
that
this
contract
was
ordered
because
they
were
a
little
bitter
and
if
there
are
financial
implications
for
kentucky
for
denying
this
contract,
remember,
there's
financial
implications
for
california,
taking
the
action
that
they
took
against
our
state.
A
C
A
Aye
motion
carries
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
from
pull.
This
is
tourism,
it's
contract,
119
on
the
routine
psc
and
green
list,
and
we're
in
doing
factory
representatives
here
and
live
and
in
person
and
glad
you
could
join
us
this
morning.
Thank.
H
A
E
It
does
relate
to
the
actual
contract
itself,
because
I
do
when
I
see
these
kind
of
vagueties,
I
do
ask
get
staff
to
get
me
the
full
contract.
So
I
can
look
through
some
of
the
details,
so
I
wanted
to
go
through
some
of
these
details
and
get
a
handle
on
exactly
why
we're
doing
this,
how
we're
doing
it
and
at
this
time
so
I'll
go
through
a
few
of
those
things,
and
hopefully
we
can
always
go
back
and
fill
in
any
details.
The
first
thing,
transportation
or
transgender
tourism,
tourism
development
plan.
E
It's
my
understanding,
particularly
as
we're
dealing
with
state
parks,
and
I
think
the
last
report,
which
is
several
years
old,
but
I
know
of
all
but
one
state
park,
operated
in
the
red,
not
sure
that
we've
ever
gotten
past.
That
point
seems
like
every
time
I
have
a
meeting
relating
to
state
parks.
In
particular,
it's
we're
on
the
precipice
just
on
the
cusp
of
coming.
D
E
A
A
We
can't
hear
you,
I
just
sent
you
a
text
regarding
that,
but
you're
you're
breaking
up
we're
getting,
I
don't
even
say
every
other
word,
maybe
every
other
syllable
we're
getting,
but.
E
I
apologize
thank
you
for
getting
a
hold
of
me
before
I
totally
disappeared,
so
I
would
know
I
disappeared.
E
Let
me
back
up
the
cost
of
doing
a
tourism
development
plan
when
I
feel
like
we're
always
saying
that
we're
on
the
cusp
of
somehow
getting
out
of
red,
particularly
as
it
relates
to
state
parks
and
so
forth,
so
why
we
want
to
spend
money
on
tourism
development
plan,
particularly
when
this
is
the
plan
we're
going
to
have
a
probably
approximately
four
months
trying
to
get
a
report
together.
E
That's
150
741
we're
going
to
also
subcontract
for
somebody
to
do
to
cover
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion,
trying
to
figure
out
exactly
what
we're
trying
to
do
in
relation
to
tourism.
If
we're
trying
to
start
tracking
racial
statistics
of
who
visits
our
state
or
what's
going
on
there
and
then
the
third
thing
is
the
hourly
rate
of
consulting
on
this
plan,
312
dollars
and
50
cents
an
hour
for
some
consultant
now.
E
Our
committee
has
a
cap
of
125
for
legal
fees,
which
I
find
incredibly
low,
but
we
do
have
vendors
that
do
meet
that
and
then,
when
they
can't,
they
do
have
to
issue
a
letter
of
explanation
to
us
on
exactly
why
they
can't
we
understand
for
legal
fees.
That
often
does
happen,
but
for
a
tourism
development
plan.
312.50
an
hour
sounds
entirely
exorbitant,
and
so
those
are
kind
of
my
three
pieces
that
I'd
like
to
find
out
precisely
what
we
have
in
mind
and
what's
going
on
here,.
H
Sure
and
thank
you
for
the
questions,
there's
a
lot,
bundled
there
and
maybe
a
little
bit
of
confusion,
but
let
me
try
to
address
those
first
of
all
we're.
This
is
more
than
a
report.
What
we're
working
with
and
contracting
with
caraggio
group
is
on
a
broad
industry-wide,
which
includes
the
private
sector
strategic
plan
for
tourism
in
kentucky
not
just
how
we
move
forward,
but
how
we
come
out
of
the
recovery
of
the
pandemic.
H
Our
industry
was
probably
the
hardest
hit
when
you
look
across
the
board
from
the
pandemic
nationwide,
not
just
here
in
kentucky,
and
I
have
had
the
the
privilege
of
working
in
this
industry
for
about
20
years
and
as
an
industry.
We've
never
had
a
strategic
plan
like
this.
H
So
in
when
I'm.
When
I
reference
some
confusion,
you
mentioned
the
state
parks.
My
agency
does
not
oversee
state
parks.
We
are
a
sister
agency
of
the
department
of
parks.
We're
part
of
the
tourism
arts
and
heritage
cabinet
parks
will
certainly
be
a
part
of
this
plan,
but
right
now,
what
we're
doing
is
we're
planning
nine
regional
listening
sessions
to
go
out
and
bring
the
partners
in
those
partners
being
local
tourism
boards
hotels
attractions,
the
caraggio
group
will
be
facilitating
those
we
as
a
department
are
actually
not
going
to
be
in
person
in
those.
H
We
want
unvarnished
comments
from
our
industry
as
far
as
the
contract
specifically
goes,
we
had
eight
vendors,
our
respond
to
our
rfp
on
this
caragio,
I
don't
believe,
was
the
lowest
bidder,
but
they
certainly
weren't
the
highest.
As
far
as
the
diversity
initiative
portion
of
this,
I'm
not
really
sure
how
to
respond.
To
that.
What
I
will
tell
you
is
that
we
are
welcoming
to
any
visitor
who
wants
to
come
here.
Our
track
record
over
the
years
has
not
been
great
when
it
comes
to
people
of
color
lbgtq.
H
So
we
want
some
consultation
on
that.
We're
welcoming
we
want
those
folks
coming
in
just
as
much
as
anyone
else.
So
we
know
we
have
some
work
to
do
everything
from
our
messaging
to
our
marketing
and
everything
else.
That
is
an
option
on
the
contract.
It
is
not
definite
that
we
are
going
to
do
that
at
this
point,
because
we
have
integrated
that
messaging
and
that
approach
into
the
original
part
of
that
contract.
H
If
that
makes
sense,
I
think
the
total
contract
is
257
000,
but
the
the
strategic
plan
portion
of
that
is
200
is,
I
believe,
about
150
760
000
of
that.
The
other
thing
that
I
would
also
say
you
mentioned
the
four-month
time
frame
on
this.
This
is
a
priority
right
now.
Our
our
partners
out
in
the
industry
are
struggling.
H
As
I
said,
I
think
our
range
on
the
consulting
fees
was
in
the
100,
and
fifteen
dollar
range
the
lowest
to
over
four
hundred
dollars
at
the
highest,
so
they
were
in
the
middle
of
the
pack
there,
and
much
of
that
again
is
optional.
It's
it's
post
report
implementation.
If
we
choose
to
do
that,
we're
not
sure
we're
going
to
do
that
right
now,
but
again
they
were
neither
the
lowest
nor
the
highest
on
the
hourly
rate.
E
They've
already
done
for
other
places,
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
later,
then
we
can
pay
them
three
hundred
dollars
an
hour
for
facility
visas,
I'm
still
not
clear
how
that
that
to
me
needs
a
lot
more
explanation
and
at
the
end
of
the
day
here,
we've
put
a
lot
of
money
into
something,
and
this
is
particularly
postcoded.
E
This
is
a
new
field.
We
aren't
really
sure
exactly
what
people's
trends
are
going
to
be.
We
can't
maybe
predict
it
like.
We
used
to
be
able
to
predict
it
having
somebody
at
the
head
of
a
strategic
plan
that
might
as
well
potentially
be
a
boilerplate
plan
that
we
can
get
from
anywhere.
E
I'm
not
sure
actually
brings
a
lot
of
value
in,
particularly
when
we've
been
as
hard
hit.
As
we
have
been.
My
concern
is
that
we're
spending
money
and
spinning
wheels
instead
of
getting
feet
on
the
ground.
You
know
taking
four
months
to
put
a
plan
together.
My
word
this
summer
is
going
to
be
over.
This
is
peak
season.
I
am
surprised,
but
also
heartened
at
the
amount
of
bolstering
of
vacations
and
tourism
type
style
activities
that
have
happened.
E
K
E
E
I
still
don't
know
what
this
diversity
thing
is
all
about,
but
I
would
say:
let's
get
a
copy
of
all
those
other
18
state
plans
and
some
staff
at
the
tourism
office
in
the
cabinet
take
a
look
over
it
and
put
together
our
best
effort
to
me.
That
would
be
the
diy
hack
bargain
plan.
We
could
have
that
done
this
week,
get
that
pushed
out
to
the
tourism
groups
and
well
better
off
that
that'd
be
the
way
I
would
handle
this.
I
guess
from
more
entrepreneurial
perspective.
E
Instead
of
you
know
bureaucratic
performance
with
that,
mr
chairman,
I
was
going
to
make
a
motion
to
defer
to
get
more
information
on
this
three
hundred
fifth
dollars.
I
certainly
don't
mind
to
make
that
motion
if
the
cabinet
is
willing
to
provide
a
better
handle
on
why
we
need
to
pay
that
kind
of
money
or
if
we
could
take
that
off
the
contract.
E
If
there's
modifications
allowed,
I
definitely
need
to
brush
up
on
my
45a
to
be
sure
this
is
possible.
If
it's
not
possible,
then
I'd
move
disapprove.
So
I'd
like
to
get
a
little
direction,
perhaps
on
what's
possible
if
it's
worth
deferring
for
or
if
I
should
just
move
it
as.
A
I
would
certainly
accept
the
emotion
from
you
in
either
case,
but
let
me
open
it
up
see
if
anybody
else
has
any
questions
regarding
this
contract.
I
do
have
one,
and
that
would
be
is
this
premature,
and
I
don't
mean
that
as
a
criticism,
but
it
appears
from
everything.
I've
read
that
tourism
is
bouncing
back
in
with
with
the
vengeance
right
now
and
if
what
we
receive
really
is
kind
of
old
news
and
through
its
natural
course,
tourism
is
is
advancing
anyway.
A
H
Those
are
great
questions.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
What
I
would
say
is
it's
not
premature.
It's
overdue.
When
I
came
back
to
this
office
in
february
of
2020,
this
was
one
of
my
highest
priorities
to
help
develop
a
dev,
a
strategic
plan
for
our
industry
and
again
this
isn't
for
my
office
and
my
staff.
H
This
is
for
the
industry.
We
want
engagement
for
the
industry.
Where
is
kentucky
tourism
going
over
the
next
three
to
five
years?
Ten
years?
How
can
our
office
better
serve
our
constituents
out
in
in
the
markets
that
our
constituents
being
those
tourism
commissions
convention
visitors,
bureaus
attractions,
hotels?
H
When
you
look
at
tourism
in
kentucky
and
go
back,
not
a
lot
has
changed
over
the
years.
We've
had
steady
growth,
but
you
look
at
other
states
that
have
undertaken
these
types
of
strategic
plans
and
you've
seen
somewhat
exponential
growth.
Part
of
this
is
going
to
be.
How
do
we
in
frankfurt
help
that
local
tourism
commission,
or
that
local
community
develop
tourism
on
their
own,
because
tourism
in
paducah
may
look
different
than
than
tourism
in
paintsville
different
assets,
different
different
demographics,
who
are
visiting
different
markets,
etc?
H
At
the
state
level,
our
challenge
is:
how
do
we
promote
the
entire
store
and
all
of
that
to
visitors,
to
get
them
in
I've
always
taken
the
approach
that
our
job
is
to
get
them
to
the
store,
which
is
kentucky.
We
don't
care
where
they
visit
and
then
it's
the
local
job
local's
job
to
develop
assets
that
will
encourage
those
people
to
come
to
their
specific
department
of
the
store
for,
for
maybe
a
bad
analogy,
but
but
there's
never
been
a
a
a
coordinated
plan
with
the
buy-in.
H
You
know
someone
told
me
a
long
time
ago
that
if
you
don't
know
where
you're
going,
any
road
will
take
you
there
well,
this
is
going
to
help
us
develop
the
road
map
to
get
us
where
we
as
an
industry
want
to
be.
I
will
tell
you
again
that,
and
I
think
it's
quite
an
assumption
to
say
these
are
going
to
be
boilerplate
when
we
haven't
seen
them.
I
have
looked
at
plans
from
the
caraggio
group
from
other
states
once
they
that
was
part
of
the
bid.
We
wanted
to
see
what
they
did.
H
They
were
anything,
but
they
were
very
targeted
to
that
state
and
had
a
very
good
handle
on
I'll
give
you
an
example.
They
did
utahs
right
and
one
of
the
things
that
utah
was
dealing
with
pre-pandemic
and
even
more
so
during
the
pandemic
was
in
their
national
parks.
Their
national
parks
were
getting
such
heavy
visitation.
They
were
reaching
a
point
of
over
tourism
too
many
people
coming
in
it
was
ruining
the
experience
there
was
trash
and
everything
else
in
in
their
report.
H
Corragio
group
addressed
that
brought
in
in
the
the
players,
if
you
will,
that
were
had
an
impact
on
that
and
developed
a
plan
for
sustainability
moving
forward,
not
just
now,
but
for
the
next
five
to
ten
years.
How
do
you
manage
that
visitation?
How
do
you
enhance
that
experience
for
the
you
may
have
heard
of
the
mighty
five?
The
five
national
parks
that
they
have
out
out
in
utah
is
not
an
issue
for
us
right
now
with
over
tourism
in
many
of
our
places,
so
so
it
will
be
tailored
to
us.
H
I
will
tell
you
right
now:
kentucky
tourism
is
broken
up
into
nine,
very
distinct
regions,
as
we
have
been
marketing
for
for
many
years.
That
way
they
already
have
their
their
meetings
planned
for
two
hour
listening
sessions
in
each
of
those
nine
regions
in
the
next
three
weeks.
This
is
this.
This
is
not
premature
to
your
question.
I
do
think
it's
overdue.
We
have
strong
buy-in
from
the
industry
already
who
who
want
this,
and
I
think
it
will.
A
Another
question
I'd
have
for
you
is
you
know
we
can't
do
this
within
a
vacuum
and
references
made
to
our
state
park
system,
which
one
time
was
a
jewel
of
the
nation
until
you
it
it
hasn't
been
for
some
time.
It's
probably
the
most
frequent
complaint
I
get
about
tourism
in
kentucky.
The
quality
facilities
are
just
not
what
they
used
to
be.
I
mean
you
stayed
at
a
state
park
and
you
you
flashed
back
to
the
70s,
and
we
we
need
to
make
that
investment.
We
know
we
do,
but
it's
all
this
for
naught.
A
H
The
parks
are
are
involved
in
this.
Yes,
sir,
and,
and
you
know,
keep
in
mind-
and
I
agree
with
everything
you've
said:
the
parks
are
a
an
important
part
of
our
tourism
infrastructure
through
the
throughout
the
state.
H
Pardon
me,
I
think
many
of
you
know
that,
may
if
you
have
a
state
park
in
your
area
many
times
it's
it's
one
of
the
largest
employers
in
your
area.
So
certainly
there
are
concerns
for
us
in
the
department
of
tourism
when
we
promote
the
parks
which
we
do
regularly
and
we
work
very
closely
with
their
marketing
team
every
opportunity
we
have
to
promote
the
parks
we
take
it,
but
but
please
keep
in
mind
that
the
kentucky
tourism
industry
is
much
much
bigger
than
just
kentucky
state
parks
or
state-owned
facilities.
H
For
that
matter
again,
you
know
we,
we
are
considered
the
retail
cabinet.
When
you
look
at
kentucky
venues,
you
look
at
kentucky
horse
park,
state
parks,
artisan
center
at
berea,
and
you
can
go
down
the
list.
My
agency's
job
is
to
promote
that
it's
to
promote
kentucky
as
a
travel
destination
to
bring
visitors,
so
they
spend
money
and
and
help
improve
the
economy
of
kentucky.
So
we
don't
look
at
it.
H
Our
agency
does
not
look
at
tourism
in
a
vacuum
of
just
kentucky:
state
parks,
okay
and-
and
please
understand
that
we
we're
on
the
same
floor.
We
work
with
them
constantly.
As
I
said,
they
do
not
have
a
large
marketing
budget.
We
pick
up
the
slack
whenever
we
can
for
that.
They
will
certainly
be
a
part
of
this,
but
we
have
to
take
a
much
broader
look
at
the
industry
in
general
and,
as
I
said,
we're
more
of
a
retail
type
cabinet.
H
I
I
hear
thrown
around
a
lot.
You
know
state
government
should
run
more
like
a
business
and
in
while
I
don't
agree
with
that
in
many
in
many
situations
in
ours
it
is
as
relevant
as
anywhere
else
in
state
government.
My
competition
is
anywhere.
You
can
go,
spend
money.
Senator
southworth
mentioned
she's
going
on
vacation,
I'm
not
going
to
put
her
on
the
spot
and
ask
her
where
she's
going.
I.
H
But
but
what
I
would
tell
you
is
anywhere
someone
goes
to
spend
money,
whether
that's
a
business
trip
people
don't
look
at
business
trips
at
tourism,
but
it
is
included
in
our
numbers.
We
compete
with
the
las
vegas
of
the
world
for
major
conferences
in
louisville.
We
compete
with
the
leisure
traveler,
who
wants
to
go
to
a
beach
in
florida
as
opposed
to
you
know
a
beach
at
kentucky
lake
or
something
like
that.
A
A
So
again,
you
convinced
me
that
there
is
part
of
this,
but
I'd
ask
even
though
you
know
you're
not
directly
responsible
for
them
that
that
you
would
advocate
with
the
the
current
administration
that,
with
all
the
cares
money
we
got
floating
around
here
and
we're
talking
about
improving
infrastructure,
that
we
designate
a
portion
of
those
funds
to
address
the
state
park
issue.
You
know
that
will
create
jobs
in
itself,
because
it's
long
long
overdue.
A
We're
talking
about
construction,
we're
talking
about
updating
heating,
cooling,
air,
it
can
create
jobs,
but
we're
never
going
to
have
a
better
opportunity
to
make
this
investment
in
our
state
parks
than
we
do
today,
with
the
gross
amount
of
cares,
funding
that
we
still
have
out
there.
So
I'd
ask
that
you'd
be
an
advocate
for
that
as
well.
E
H
Right
and
as
I
said,
it's
optional
right
now
for
that-
and
I
understand
your
time
crunch
here,
what
I
would
say
is
over
for
I
think
the
department
of
tourism
was
established
in
the
late
70s
early
80s,
we've
always
focused
on
families
and
and
and
our
marketing
has
been
primarily
the
families.
We've
really
not
broached
other
areas
specifically
such
as
african-american
marketing,
hispanic
marketing,
lgbtq
marketing-
and
you
know
those
are
areas
that
that
we
are
seeing
growth
in
opportunity
and,
as
I
said,
tourism
is
is
not
is,
is
not
partisan.
H
A
J
I
vote
yesterday
very
familiar
I'm
in
the
horse
business.
I
know
how
important
tourism
is
to
it
and
everything
else.
That's
going
on.
I'm
also
a
state
park
junkie.
Anything
we
can
do
to
get
people
coming
in
to
kentucky
and
spending
their
money
here
is
money.
Well
spent
would
like
to
see
improvements
at
the
state
park
as
part
of
this,
but
you
know
there's
so
much
to
tourism
and
I
think
every
effort
we
can
do
to
bring
people
in
it's
good
effort.
Thank
you.
A
Let's
start
with
contract
130,
because
senator
southwortz
has
a
question
about
that.
D
And
for
the
record,
I'm
bart
harding,
the
director
of
government
relations-
and
I
have
with
me
for
the
moment
at
the
table-
barry
swanson
our
director
of
procurement
and
if
you
want
to
introduce
yourself
for
the
record,
please
sylvia
rivera,
executive,
director
of
energy
and
utilities.
E
It
seems
like
to
me
I'm
trying
to
get
a
handle
on
the
scope
of
our
energy
bills
as
they
exist
now,
if
you
can
save
a
percentage,
how
many
years
it
would
take
to
what's,
four
million
dollars
represent
as
far
as
our
total
energy
consumption
now
and
our
I'm
just
trying
to
do
some
basic
math.
Typically,
when
you
think
of
and
something
to
see,
if
you
can
save,
I
remember
when
I
had
a
jeep
and
I
was
wanting
to
switch
to
a
car
and
I
did
the
math
on
average
miles
per
gallon
driven
each
year.
E
D
D
year-to-date.
The
university
has
saved
31
million
dollars
and
has
spent
a
little
less
than
four
billion
dollars
a
year
from
a
year's
17
through
a
date
it
has
been
reevaluated
over
time
and
and
so
as
a
context.
These
are
savings
that
the
university
will
continue
to
maintain
once
these
initiatives
have
been
established.
A
E
N
The
current
contract
will
expire
in
december
of
2022,
but
I
would
expect
that
we
would
do
a
rebid.
That
would
be
a
discussion
that
we
have
not
yet
had,
but
that's
when
the
current
contract
expires.
A
N
A
C
C
A
Hi
motion
carries
next.
Contracts
are
one
the
ones
I
have
130.
A
131
and
133,
and
if
senator
salforth
has
concerned
about
spending
four
million
yeah,
I
got
concerns
about
spending
seven
and
a
half
million,
and
this
will
be
short.
Martin
we've
had
this
conversation
before
here
we
are
branding
strategy,
it
seems,
like
we've,
been
doing
a
branding
strategy
ever
since
I
was
in
high
school,
I
believe
that's
a
long
time
ago
and
doesn't
ever
end
and
really
does
never
end.
N
Good
good
morning,
mr
chair,
please.
N
Tom
harris
vice
president
of
university
relations,
it's
pleasure
to
be
back
face
to
face
with
you.
Yes,.
A
N
Thank
you.
So
the
the
brand
strategy
is
is
really
a
small
contract
with
suzanne
oldham,
consulting
she's
from
louisville,
a
national
expert
in
brand
strategy,
and,
as
you
know,
sir,
the
health
industry
is
rapidly
and
constantly
changing
and
she
has
been
a
a
vital
part
of
developing
our
brand
for
the
uk
healthcare
enterprise.
N
Obviously
it's
it's
critical
for
them
to
stay
on
the
cutting
edge
of
where
their
health
care
and
and
the
practices-
and
she
has
been
a
major
part
of
of
helping
develop.
That
brand
strategy
of
the
power
of
advanced
medicine
is
something
that
she
has
worked
on
and
and
we
continue
to
evolve
for
health
care.
N
So
this
one
is
is
actually
while
it
is
a
big
number,
it
used
to
be
multiple
contracts,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
tried
to
do
is
consolidate
all
of
our
marketing
and
advertising
dollars
into
one
contract.
Healthcare
used
to
use
an
outside
the
state
firm.
N
We
have
brought
them
under
the
umbrella
of
cornet,
so
we're
trying
to
do
one
university
athletics,
which
is
a
big
user
as
well,
is,
is
also
under
this
contract
and
we
as
well
as
all
17
colleges,
now
and
and
multiple
units
across
the
campus
we've
tried
to
consolidate.
So
we
get
value
of
that.
I
should
point
out
that
the
vast
majority
of
these
dollars
are
really
a
pass
through
for
cornet
in
in
media
buys.
So
we
are
buying
social
media
for
recruitment
of
students.
N
The
gatton
school
of
business
is
trying
to
attract
students
for
their
mba
program
from
across
the
country,
because
we
are
now
in
a
digital
form
in
many
respects
of
our
program,
so
we're
trying
to
recruit
students
from
from
all
over
the
country
for
both
in
person
and
our
online
programs
and
so
much
the
vast
majority
of
those
dollars
actually
go
to
media
buys
for
for
tv
and
social
media
and
the
value
of
using
a
firm
like
cornet,
a
kentucky
company.
In
fact,
the
lexington
kentucky
company
is
that
they
bring
value
in
in
volume.
N
So
we
put
all
of
our
volume
together,
but
they
add
multiple
clients
across
the
country,
and
so
we
get
a
much
better
value
on.
Our
return
on
media
buys,
as
opposed
to
certainly
us
trying
to
hire
somebody
to
do
a
small
media
buy.
They
are
doing
large
media
buys
with
the
tv
or
with
facebook,
and
we
get
a
much
better
value
out
of
that.
A
You
know,
I
think,
with
the
medical
center
uk
sports,
the
university
itself,
you
really
have
three
different
marketing
strategies
you
would
have
to
have,
but
speaking
specifically
the
university
one
things.
That's
concerned
me
because
I've
seen
every
university
be
very
aggressive
with
this
is
trying
to
attract
more
students
into
the
universities
which
you
understand
but
are
being
so
aggressive
with
it.
That
folks
are
coming
to
university.
That
really
should
not
be
in
a
university
city
they're,
really
in
terms
of
career
development
there
they
would
be
better
served
someplace
else,
you
know.
A
N
Actually,
I
probably
couldn't
have
gotten
in
now
when
that
when
I
applied
partner,
I've
talked
about
that
often
so
they're
they're,
obviously
very
strict
standards
that
we
try
and
we're
trying
to
attract
the
very
top
students.
Obviously,
every
qualified
kentuckian
is
our
top
priority,
but
we
are
also
looking
for
those
out
of
state
students
that
can
be
successful
here.
Hopefully,
we'll
have
a
great
experience
here
and
stay
in
the
in
the
state
and
doesn't
hurt
that
they're
paying
out
of
state
tuition
too.
A
C
Thank
you
chairman
meredith,
previously
was
was
the
contract
was,
was
cornett
under
contract
previously
doing
the
same
type
things.
C
N
D
A
To
approve
or
second
second,
by
co-chair
cook,
these
are
contracts
done,
31
and
133.
All
those
favor.
The
motion
vote.
I
all
opposed,
will
vote
no
clerk.
Please
call
the
row.
D
A
J
You
senator
meredith,
this
will
be
fairly
quick.
This
the
highlight
here
is
we
get.
The
mark
on
here
exceeds
exceeds
our
committee's
maximum
rate,
and
so
you
want
to
pull
and
want
to
talk
to
it,
but
I
certainly
understand
I've
read
your
letters
and
I
certainly
understand
why
my
practice
and
legal
counsel
and
all
that
is
going
to
exceed
our
rate.
I
I
guess
my
question
is
more
form
this
morning.
After
you
know,
we
had
the
teacher's
pension.
We
talked
about
that.
A
Well,
you
just
open
up
pandora's
box
and
I
would
think
it
would
warrant
having
some
possibly
task
force
on
that,
because
you're
right
we're
seeing
more
and
more
of
these
and
it's
just
not
for
these
services,
but
also
for
auditing
services
as
well,
but
yeah.
We
hate
to
waste
everybody's
time.
If
we
know
this
is,
it
is
what
it
is,
and
I
think
your
suggestion
is
excellent.
I'm
not
sure
what
the
starting
point,
though,
is.
J
I'm
not
either,
but
I
think
that's
something
I
look
at.
I
really
don't
have
any
other
questions.
I've
read
the
letters
I
understand
where
you're
going
with
that.
I
understand
it.
I
just
think
we
can
make
some
adjustments
on
our
end
and
something
I'll
look
into.
So
thank
you
and
with
that
I
make
a
motion
to
approve
these.
A
D
A
Aye
motion
carries
as
always
appreciate
your
attendance
here
good
to
see
you
in
particular
in
person
next
item
on
the
pull
list
with
behavioral
health
development
and
intellectual
disabilities
is
number
eight
on
the
routine
moa
pink
list.
If
representatives
are
here
or
online,
please
identify
yourself
for
the
record.
K
Yes,
my
name
is
stephanie
craycraft.
I'm
deputy
commissioner
for
the
department
and
also
I
have
dr
robbins
with
me.
If
she
could
introduce
herself.
E
What
it
appears
to
me
from
reading
the
contract
is
that
we
have
we're
going
to
be
training,
I
don't
remember
25
or
some
mental
health
people
using
100
youth,
I
suppose
maybe
as
tests
guinea
pigs
whatever
and
trying
to
figure
out
if,
if
how
something
about
racially
induced
trauma-
and
I'm
just
really
concerned
because,
first
of
all,
there's
the
ethics
question
of
testing
children-
and
the
second
issue
is
you
know,
racially
induced
trauma-
is
getting
to
be
a
buzzword
for
a
lot
of
things
these
days,
one
of
which
is
segregation.
E
Another
which
is,
you
know,
making
people
feel
like
they
well
segregation.
It's
a
lot
of
varieties
of
segregation.
So
can
you
give
a
little
better
handle
on
what
we're
doing
here
and
why.
F
F
If
you
will,
this
is
really
this
scope
of
work
in
this
contract
is,
is
really
about
about
workforce
development
and
improving
the
the
competencies
and
the
capacity
of
our
public
behavioral
health
safety
net
providers
and
their
and
their
staff
to
be
able
to
serve
children
and
and
families
of
color.
F
Yes,
absolutely
so,
there
are
three
components,
and
I
I
just
want
to
clarify
what
those
are,
because
I
I
think
it
was
a
it's
a
little
misleading.
Maybe
what
how
it's
written
so
we're
we'll
be
starting
with
awareness,
trainings.
Those
awareness
events
will
be
open
to
lots
of
different
types
of
child
caring
professionals.
F
You
know
we
may
have
our
court
designated
workers
there.
We
may
have
educators
there,
but
anyone
who,
whose
potentially
interfacing
with
with
children
of
color,
who
may
be
experiencing
some
mental
health
issues,
and
so
we
have
a
series
of
awareness
sessions
and
then
that
will
be
followed
up
with
a
series
of
training
and
consultations
with
any
behavioral
health
provider.
F
The
third
component,
I
think,
is
what
you're
honing
in
on
there's,
currently
an
evidence-based
treatment
approach
that
has
been
designed
by
these
folks
at
spaulding
shown
to
be
effective.
F
But
it's
only
been
shown
to
be
effective
with
individuals,
13
and
older
they've
never
tested
the
model,
if
you
will
for
a
younger
age
group,
and
so
we
are
working
with
them
through
this
contract
to
essentially
train
some
of
our
behavioral
health
providers
in
an
adaptive
adapted
version
of
this
evidence-based
treatment
and
then
we'll
be
looking
at
the
outcomes
and
having
quality
measures
in
place
to
ensure
that
we're
having
you
know
the
outcomes
that
we
want.
E
Kentucky,
mr
chairman,
I
don't
believe
I
have
any
other
questions.
I'm
kind
of
just
opens
up
another
piano
worms,
which
is
you
know
what
were
they
finding
13
and
up
it
just
really
bothers
me.
The
fact
that
we're
kind
of
going
back
to
this
whole
segregation
thing.
I
remember
when
my
mom
said
she
found
out.
You
know
when
she
was
an
older
child,
exactly
what
was
going
on.
You
know
she
when
she
was
first
in
school,
it
was
segregated.
E
I've
seen
that
a
lot
more
and
more,
the
fact
that
these
words
are
even
on
the
screen
that
you
know
somebody's
race
is
a
creation
of
trauma
and
necessarily
implies
a
mental
health
issue.
It's
very
very
concerning,
and
I
definitely
don't
like
that.
Certainly
everybody's
aware
that
you
know
some
people
have
mental
health
issues.
Everybody
has,
I
guess
some
degree,
various
mental
health
issues,
but
you
know
I'm
not
sure
that
it's
racial
in
nature
as
far
as
how
you
get
those
it's
just
very
this
whole
thing's,
very
tedious,
just
not
comfortable
at
all.
A
It
reminds
me
the
situation
several
years
ago
with
the
young
children
who
were
apparently
sexually
abused
and
being
brought
into
room
and
said
you
were
sexually
abused,
how
you
feel
about
that
and
they
didn't
even
know
what
they
were
talking
about,
but
after
they
said
it
several
times,
they
said.
Oh,
yes,
I
was
sexually
abused
when
in
fact,
they
weren't
and
this
racial
trauma
in
racial
inequities
has
that
become
the
default
answer
for
all
these
things.
You
know,
is
it
how
you
define
racial
trauma?
A
A
Certainly
if
anybody
has
suffered
from
racial
trauma,
we
want
to
provide
assistance
to
that
person,
but
I
think
it's
a
stretch
to
suggest
that
everyone
who's
of
color
is
a
victim
of
racial
trauma
in
inequities.
So
I
think
you're
right,
it
is
being
very
divisive
or
has
the
potential
to
be
divisive.
There
should
be
a
better
way
to
couch
this,
and
still
accomplish
this
thing.
Things
that
that
we're
doing
you
know
simply
is
what
are
your
barriers,
regardless?
What
your
race
says,
what
are
your
barriers
to
being
successful
in
being
mentally
healthy?
A
A
G
J
A
I
want
to
explain
my
vote
and
I'm
voting
no
on
this,
but
I
want
the
presenters
to
understand
that
this
is
a
a
sensitive
issue
and
I
think
you
need
to
hear
our
concerns
and
I
hope
and
pray
that
that
you
will
and
take
a
different
approach
to
this.
But
with
that
the
vote
is.
A
B
A
Meredith
I've
already
know,
but
it's
irrelevant,
because
we
have
three:
yes,
three,
no,
which
means
that
the
decision
is
deferred
to
the
finance
cabinet.
For
final.
A
So
thank
you
for
your
testimony
this
morning
and
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
item.
That
is
on
the
pull
list
department.
Public
health
is
number
37
on
the
routine
moa
pink
list.
F
Yes,
yes,
this
is
mike
tuggle
department
of
public
health,
division
of
administration
and
financial
management
assistant
director.
D
Department
of
public
health
administration,
financial
management,
director.
K
E
This
is
really
an
overview
because
I
could
have
pulled
any
or
all
of
these
and
it
looks
like
to
me.
Maybe
this
is
an
annual
thing
as
the
flow
through
from
the
federal
down.
But
can
you
just
explain
a
little
bit
and
also
because
this
year
it
seems
like
it's
a
little
different,
because
we
have
you
know
special
covert
money
versus
regular
money.
So
can
you
kind
of
split
for
us
is
all
of
this
non-coveted.
F
Yes,
so
so
cinder.
Yes,
this
contract
is
one
of
six
with
local
health
departments.
This
is
for
the
epidemiology
services,
so
we
kind
of
break
those
contracts
into
six
because
of
the
programmatic
services.
So
so
this
one
does
have
both
coved
as
well
as
non-copied
assistance
in
it.
So-
and
this
is
really
this
supports
the
core
work
of
our
public
health
system.
This
is
the
disease
investigation,
disease,
surveillance
care
coordination
immunizations.
E
F
As
your
question,
can
I
distinguish
in
the
contract
for
you,
what
if
it's
covered
versus
non-code,
is
that
the
question.
E
E
F
Yes,
so
there's
there's
money
in
here
for
covid
to
support
to
support
some
of
those
disease
investigation
programs.
So
so
we
have
it
from
the
paycheck
protection
legislation
we
have
from
the
coronavirus
response
legislation,
so
so
there's
monies
in
here
to
support
cobit
activities
and
there's
money
in
here
also
from
our
basic
core:
ongoing
baseline
public
health
funding.
F
So
there's
a
mix
so
in
that
federal,
there's
a
mix
of
both
ongoing
hiv
ongoing
std,
ongoing
immunization,
but
there's
also
coveted
funding
in
here
to
support
those
same
or
similar
programs
to
to
take
care
of
the
issues
that's
been
experienced
with
covet
and
in
in
cost.
That's
been
incurred
or
needs
to
be
incurred
and
support
our
health
departments
in
addressing
those
disease
outbreaks
and
investigations.
E
Mr
chairman,
I
don't
have
any
other
questions,
I'll
just
finish
with
a
comment.
Instead
of
explaining
my
vote
later,
you
know
we're
talking
about
precious
resources,
trying
to
figure
out
what's
the
best
use
of
taxpayer
dollars,
and
I
understand
some
of
these
are
federal
funds,
some
of
them-
I
guess
we've
been
borrowing
them
or
something,
because
I
don't
think
that
we've
all
contributed
enough
to
support
all
of
the
extra
funds
that
have
been
expended
this
year
at
the
federal
level.
E
Some
of
these
items
just
don't
seem
to
be
the
roi
that
I
think
people
hope
or
assume,
or
something,
and
certainly
some
of
these
specifically
you
know:
continued
testing,
ramping
up
a
vaccine
program
starting
the
contract
date
july
1..
I'm
not
sure
what
we're
ramping
up
seems
like
to
me
mostly
everybody's
sort
of
finished,
but
those
things
concern
me
how
many
millions
of
dollars
we're
putting
out
of
taxpayer
money
that
we
could
be
putting
to
things.
E
A
A
A
C
L
J
D
A
A
J
D
H
Independent
school
system,
as
dma
supports
as.
A
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
appreciate
the
work
that
these
guys
have
been
doing
with
their
very
at-risk
and
almost
lost
youth,
and
I
want
to
say
I
was
a
key
player
in
actually
making
this
contract
happen
years
ago,
and
the
reason
I
wanted
to
bring
it
up
today
is
to
ask
for
clarification.
E
There
is
a
budget
line
item
that
we
allocate
for
paying
this
contract,
and
can
you
all
refresh
or
help
us
recall
how
much
money
that
is,
that
you're
receiving
to
provide
these
services
for
those.
N
Youth,
it's
335
000.
This
is
general
jones
and
I
appreciate
your
continued
support.
Senator
it's
335
000
per
academy
based
on
a
1.2
per
academy,
requirement
state
funding.
As
you
know,
it's
a
75
25
cooperative
agreement
program.
E
Is
that
the
335
is
that
per
year
or
per
budget
cycle
for
two
years.
E
N
So
the
the
cost
the
state
match
for
this
contract
is
is
a
hundred
and
twelve
thousand
point
five.
So
to
to
address
that
question,
I
I
guess
it's
difficult.
The
the
shortage
between
what
is
in
the
general
funds
allotted
for
the
program
is
is
a
basically
800
000.,
so
it's
it's
like
1.2
million
per
program
state
match.
E
E
Okay,
so
if
we
pay
eminence
450
000
y'all
still
have
some
money
left
over
for
the
other
residential
part
of
the
program.
Is
that
sufficient
or
are
we?
N
No
ma'am
it's
going
to
it's
going
to
go
up
the
initial
contract
that
we
implemented
back
in
2017
was
420
000,
and
that
was
based
on
what
dr
barry
and
eminson's
independent
system
said.
It
would
cost
to
provide
that
service
at
that
point
in
time
to
provide
educational
services
for
these
kids
for
one
year.
N
That
was
with
the
caveat
that,
if
seek
money
was
allocated
and
eminence
received
seek
funding,
our
costs
would
be
reduced
because
it
would
be
paid
for
out
of
out
of
seek
or
a
portion
of
it.
The
next
year,
18
through
20,
was
a
two-year
contract
that
was
for
625
000..
This
past
year,
20-21
was
385
thousand
the
the
450
that
you're
seeing
in
this
contract
is
actually
a
negotiation
between
us
and
dr
barry.
He
came
back
and
said
we
originally
submitted
it
at
385.
N
He
said
he
could
not
provide
the
services
at
that
and
we
negotiated
it
up
to
450
paying
65
of
150
bump
up
ask.
So
his
ask
was
over
for
over
five
hundred
thousand
dollars.
This
is
a
reimbursement
contract.
He
he
documents
and
submits
monthly
statements
to
us,
showing
his
expenditure
so
they're.
Making
they're
making
no
money,
it's
no
profit
contract,
so
I
anticipate,
as
all
costs
have
continued
to
go
up
throughout
all
the
environments,
all
the
industry.
E
Okay,
thank
you
I
feel
like
we
want
to
keep
tabs
on
this,
because,
obviously
it's
going
to
be
changing
every
year,
but
I
spoke
on
the
senate
floor
earlier
this
session
about
the
fact
that
we
aren't
paying
seek
dollars
on
students
going
to
school
in
kentucky.
I
really
appreciate
what
this
program
can
do,
because
I
actually
attended
graduation
saw
students
that
were
even
possibly
hopeless
of
getting
a
ged
years
ago
now
we're
getting
full-blown
high
school
diplomas,
something
we
definitely
want
focused
on
our
at-risk
youth.
E
A
A
J
A
E
D
No,
it's
a
it's
a
infrared
technology
that
measures
your
temperature.
So
it's
not
facial
recognition.
E
D
I'm
sure
what
so
it's
they
are
tablet-like,
so
I
I'm
that
is
not
part
of
the
contract.
I'm
sure
that
software
could
be
applied
to
that
to
make
it
that
way,
but
that's
not
how
they're
operationalized.
E
Okay,
as
I
read
the
contract,
look
like
there
might
be
some
holes,
but
I
just
wanted
to
try
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
is
you
know
there
were
a
couple
of
senate
bills
actually
on
this
this
last
session,
which
I
was
really
excited,
another
senator
beside
myself,
we,
I
guess
we
both
followed
on
the
same
day
unbeknownst
to
each
other
and
certainly
a
lot
more
facial
recognition,
devices
or
patient
recognition,
capable
devices
installed
all
over
the
place.
E
Private
entities,
public
entities
so
forth,
and
we
need
to
be
when
we're
collecting
somebody's
personal,
identifying
information.
We
have
to
be
telling
them
what's
going
on
and
was
just
not
comfortably
clear
that
the
contract
was
going
to
be
informing
people
of
exactly
what
they
were
handing
over
when
they
were
getting
their
faces
scanned.
So
I
just
want
to
get
kind
of
a
assurance
on
that.
A
E
A
Representative
southworth,
I
appreciate
your
position
on
this.
I
think
we
are
to
the
point
where
we've
lost
some
committee
members.
We
only
have
five
votes.
If
this
is
not
unanimous,
this
night
cannot
proceed.
I
again
appreciate
your
concerns,
but
I
think
for
this
particular
technology.
A
E
It's
my
understanding
and
we'll
go
to
the
finance
chairman.
If
we
don't
approve,
is
that
the
case?
That's.
A
A
I
A
A
We
need
to
work
on
very
quickly.
That's
consideration
of
exemption
requests
from
kentucky
department
of
agriculture
on
committee
policy
statement
99,
which
prohibits
contracts
from
stand
beyond
the
current
biennial
yada
yada
yada
is
their
motion
most
perhaps
in
the
background.
Second,
about
co-chair
cook.
All
those
favorite
motion
vote.
I
almost
opposed
nay.
C
D
A
Excuse
me
next
meeting
august
10th
tuesday
august
10th
at
9
00
a.m.
That
is
our
motion
to
adjourn.
If
so,
everybody
stand
up
we'll
go
home.
Thank
you
appreciate
everybody's
participation.
Thank.