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C
Thank
you,
and
I
noticed
that
we
also
have
more
of
this
coming
this
month,
but
this
was
deferred
from
last
month
and
I
wanted
to
get
a
better
handle
on
exactly
what
the
nature
of
the
work
is.
That
goes
fairly
above
and
beyond
our
normal
we're
we're
used
to
seeing
intellectual
property.
C
You
know
at
super
high
rates,
we're
used
to
seeing
certain
other
type
of
legal
work
at
you
know
way
higher
than
our
contract
rate.
We
also
understand
our
contract
rates
pretty
low,
but
it
just
didn't
seem
to
be
very
clear
on
fair
labor
standards
act.
What
what
exactly
is
going
on
over
there
that
this
merits
this
legal
work.
B
Yes,
ma'am
so
dense.
Martin
shaw
is
a
firm
that
has
worked
with
the
university
of
louisville
for
years
and
much
of
the
work
they
do
is
at
the
state
mandated
rate
here.
We're
asking
them
to
do
an
in-depth
analysis,
a
compliance
assessment
to
make
sure
that
we
are
complying
with
fair
labor
standards
act
in
all
of
our
areas,
as
well
as
looking
at
our
kentucky
wage
and
hour
assessment
and
analysis,
and
that
type
of
analysis
is
very,
very
tedious.
B
It's
time
consuming,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
absolutely
accurate,
because
it's
not
something
that
you
ever
want
to
have
an
issue
with
and
certainly
want
to
be
advised
to
the
extent
that
there
are
any
corrections
that
need
to
be
made
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
sound
legal
advice
on
those
issues
and
due
to
the
nature
of
the
work.
That
was
the
reason
for
the
request
due
to
the
time
it's
very
labor,
intensive,
very
tedious
work
and
then
the
analysis
and
the
the
legal
counsel
that
is
required.
B
Yes,
ma'am:
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
for
the
sort
of
labor-intensive
work
we
want
to
use
associates
on
that
they
have
a
little
bit.
They
it's
above
the
state
mandated
rate,
but
below
that
the
range
that
you
see
there.
I
think
the
top
of
the
range
was
was
500,
but
the
associates
are
at
about
225,
but
when
it
comes
to
the
council,
that's
given
at
the
end
of
the
work,
that's
done
once
the
assessment
has
been
done,
the
level
of
counsel,
that's
given!
B
A
C
Mr
chairman,
yes,
please
I'm
going
to
vote
yes,
I
I
do
want
at
least
make
note
here
when
we're
paying
associates
225
an
hour
to
do
this
work
but
in
other
cases,
we're
maxing
out
our
more
senior
legal
counsel
at
whatever
way,
low
rate
that
we
max
out
at
normally.
Here,
I'm
just
trying
to
get
a
handle
on
how
this
one
time
we
get
to
use
associates
for
225
an
hour,
it's
something
we
definitely
have
talked
about
looking
into
before.
G
H
A
C
B
Yes,
ma'am,
so
this
one,
if
this
was
related
to
title
ix,
this
is
a
department
of
education,
federal
regulation
that
requires
we
have
hearings
on
certain
issues.
This
contract
was
bid
out
and
it
is
being
paid
at
the
state
mandated
rate.
The
only
thing
we're
doing
here
is
extending
the
term,
and
here
what
we
need
are
lawyers
to
act
essentially
as
judges.
When
we
have
hearings
they
need
to
make
rulings
on
admissibility.
B
They
need
to
make
decisions
about
certain
legal
standards
when
the
evidence
is
in
it's
for
a
very
finite
period,
it's
just
to
serve
as
a
hearing
officer
and
we've
found
that
we've
really
not
had,
fortunately,
very
many
title
ix
hearings
and
given
the
the
finite
nature
of
the
work
and
given
the
somewhat
it's
very
guided
by
federal
principles
and
regulations.
B
So
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
leeway
in
terms
of
what
you
can
and
can't
do
or
discretion
in
terms
of
legal
counsel
and
hence
that
the
need
for
you
know
it's
very
straightforward
and
there's
not
a
need
for
a
more
expensive
rate
here.
So
this
one
is
one
that
really
the
only
thing
we're
doing
is
extending
the
time.
I
F
A
Aye
motion
carries
miss
curry
if
you'll
bear
with
us
just
for
a
couple
of
moments.
We've
got
a
couple
of
housekeeping
items
we
need
to
take
care
of,
and
we
actually
have
you
fourth
or
fifth
on
our
list.
I'm
going
to
move
you
up
so
that
you
can
excuse
yourself.
So
please
bear
with
us
next
order.
Business
consideration
the
agenda,
including
the
deferred
list,
the
corrections
list,
personal
service
contract
list,
psc
amendment
list,
memorandum
of
agreement
list
memorandum,
agreement,
amendment
list
and
except
for
those
items
selected
for
further
review.
Do
you
have
a
motion?
A
A
A
You
all
can
work
that
out
again,
miss
curry,
appreciate
you.
I've
been
online
with
us.
I
request
this
contract
be
pulled
and
you've
kind
of
covered
this
a
little
bit,
but
for
the
committee's
information,
ms
curie
and
I
had
a
conversation
last
friday
about
this
contract
and
the
reason
for
it
and
goes
back
to
the
issue
that
we're
paying
such
a
substantial
amount
higher
than
our
125
allowable
through
the
state,
and
she
did
an
excellent
job
explaining
this
very
unique
situation,
but
again
miss
curry.
B
Absolutely,
and
of
all
the
ones
that
I've
spoken
about
this
morning-
and
this
one
is
the
you
know
the
most
difficult
because
it
I
just
quite
frankly
hate
this,
but
I'll
explain
how
we
ended
up
here
with
this
firm.
B
So
what
we
needed
services
here
are
really
for
three
areas:
research,
compliance,
health
care,
regulatory
work
and
then
employee,
benefits
analysis,
and
we
always
start
with
our
firms
here
in
the
state
of
kentucky
because
they
know
what's
best
and
the
the
first
issue
we
ran
into
is
that
there
is
a
very
small
universe
of
lawyers
that
do
this
type
of
work
and
when
they
agree
to
do
the
work.
The
next
thing
they
have
to
do
is
do
a
conflict
check.
B
In
other
words,
they
have
to
check
the
roster
of
clients
to
make
sure
that
there's,
no
one
that's
adverse
to
the
university
and
often
what
happens.
Is
that
again,
such
a
small
universe?
That
there's
usually
one
client
that
they
may
have
that
maybe
years
ago,
was
adverse
to
the
university.
So
it
puts
them
in
a
situation
where
they
can't
represent
both.
Then
the
other
issue
then
becomes
okay.
B
So
we
then
leave,
unfortunately,
the
state
of
kentucky
to
find
someone
to
do
the
work
and
what
we
really
needed
help
here
with
is
structuring
our
employee
benefits.
Our
retirement
accounts,
which
is
subject
to
the
erisa
statute,
which
is
a
federal
statute
that
is
beyond
complex
and
hard
to
understand,
and
so
the
lawyers
that
are
able
to
do
that.
They
are
aware
of
how
complex
the
statute
is
and
they
charge
accordingly.
B
It
is
not
something
that
anyone
that
sits
in
my
seat
likes
to
do,
but
when
we're
talking
about
the
retirement
accounts
of
our
employees,
that
is
something
that
is
sacred
to
the
university.
We
want
to
get
that
right,
so
this
is
something
that
we
had
to
do
to
make
sure
that
we
were
protecting
the
retirement
assets
of
our
employees.
At
the
same
time,
this
is
one
that
in
2022
we
will
be
bidding
out.
A
I
appreciate
your
commitment
to
do
that,
and
I
want
to
assure
you
my
frustration
does
not
lie
with
you.
It's
a
fact
that
we
have
created
a
federal
government
that
is
so
complex
that,
quite
literally,
if
somebody
had
to
commit
themselves
full
time
to
interpret
the
regulations,
this
would
cost
in
excess
of
a
million
and
a
half
dollars
a
year.
That's
absolutely
ridiculous
and
government
was
never
intended
to
be
structured.
That
way
in
people
that
are
benefiting
from
this
morass
of
regulations
that
we
have
are
are
really
not
contributing
anything
to
the
our
society.
A
D
A
D
D
A
A
C
I
The
amount
that
was
given
through
the
american
rescue
plan
is
just
over
470
million
dollars,
and
it
is,
is
not
necessarily
to
determine
which
child
care
providers
qualify.
All
the
child
care
providers
that
were
open
during
the
pandemic
prior
to
the
passing
of
the
bill
are
are
able
to
qualify.
It
depends
on
the
range
based
on
their
size
based
on
what
they
pay
their
staff.
I
The
contract
was
awarded
to
help
us
with
with
those
specs,
as
well
as
to
audit
the
funds
for
the
next
three
years
to
hold
us
accountable
and
to
make
sure
that
the
contract
requirements
are
met
for
when
we
are
audited
for
these
federal
funds.
C
So
was
it
a
federal
requirement
that
they
were
paying?
You
have
the
tier
one,
two
and
three
one
pays
fourteen
dollars
an
hour
higher
tier
two
pays
ten
dollars
an
hour
or
higher
and
tier
three
doesn't
seem
to
have
a
wage
requirement.
Is
that
federal
requirements
or
is
it
something
that
we've
put
in
here.
I
I
Some
states
only
allowed
certain
child
care
providers
to
to
do
a
traditional
grant,
application
and
write
a
narrative
and
and
express
that
kentucky
was
more
accessible
to
make
sure
that
all
of
our
child
care
providers
would
qualify.
However,
to
distribute
the
funds
in
a
way
that
was
accessible
to
the
funding
needed
for
centers
to
remain
open.
We
looked
at
the
capacity.
Obviously,
bigger
buildings
have
bigger
mortgages
things
of
that
nature.
We
also
looked
at
the
staffing
requirements.
I
If
you
pay
your
staff
more,
then,
then
your
bills
are
more
typically.
If
you
pay
your
staff
more,
you
have
lower
turnover,
you
have
a
higher
quality
program
and
we
want
to
encourage
all
of
our
child
care
programs
to
meet
that
requirement.
Staff
did
not
have
to
be
paid
that
rate
at
the
beginning.
They
could
apply
to
be
at
that
higher
tier,
receive
the
funds
and
then
increase
the
salary
range.
So
we
made
this
open
and
accessible
to
anybody
who
was
able
to
apply.
C
I
After
the
arc
of
funds
are
spent,
we
we
do,
I
mean
we're
going
to
have
to
look
at
at
other
things.
I
can
say
that
we
we
received
a
total
pool
of
763
million
470
was
put
into
sustainability
payments.
The
other
portion
was
put
into
one-time
child
care
and
development
block
grant
funding,
and
so
we've
put
a
lot
of
workforce
efforts
into
that,
including
scholarships
for
more
degrees,
including
internships
and
training.
I
Overall,
the
only
way
that
child
care
is
going
to
survive
is
if
we
pay
our
teachers,
a
higher
rate
child
care
programs
all
over
the
state
are
not
able
to
get
the
staff
that
they
need,
because
target
and
amazon
and
and
everywhere
is
paying
a
higher
rate
so
that
that's
something
that
has
to
happen.
Wages
have
to
increase
in
order
to
attract
those
staff,
members
and
the
workforce
development
portion
where
we
are
increasing
the
education
and
skill
level,
the
staff
is
also
a
contributing
factor
that
will
help
us
move
to
to
that
point.
I
Overall,
you
know
we
do
have
higher
subsidy
reimbursement
that
came
with
the
child
care
and
development
block
grant
funds,
and
we
do
have
our
annual
funds
have
increased
somewhat
as
well.
But
this
is
something
that's
going
to
have
to
happen
regardless
of
american
rescue
plan,
because
the
child
care
industry
is
essential
for
the
rest
of
our
economy
to
operate
and
nobody
is
going
to
go
into
the
field
if
they
are
making
minimum
wage.
C
A
A
Aye
motion
carries
and
thank
you
for
being
with
us
this
morning,
and
we
appreciate
that
your
input
in
this
thank
you.
A
G
A
A
You
know
the
explanation
that
you
gave
us
is
that,
because
of
high
staff
turnover
vendor
staff
working
from
home
during
the
colby
crisis,
you
know
we've
all
had
to
deal
with
the
covert
done
crisis
in
one
way
or
another,
and
I'm
not
sure
if
you
understand
the
responsibilities
of
this
committee,
but
it's
basically
three-fold.
One
is
examined
whether
the
service
could
or
should
be
performed
by
state
personnel,
examine
the
mountain
duration
of
the
contracting
agreement
and
examine
the
appropriateness
of
any
exchange
of
resources
or
responsibilities.
G
Yes,
sir,
so
just
a
by
way
of
background
ewdc
was
with
before
this
committee
last
month
and
had
to
just
we
had
a
discussion
about
our
collective
frustration
with
retroactive
start
dates.
At
the
time
I
indicated
to
you
that
we
had
implemented
a
new
process
and
policy
within
the
cabinet
to
flag
contracts
that
are
terminated
or
set
to
renew
within
90
days
before
that
date.
G
That
process
is
in
place.
This
contract
was
one
that
the
event
of
the
non-renewal
occurred,
and
then
we
implemented
the
new
process.
So
this
is
one
that
our
new
process
did
not
have
the
opportunity
to
catch
with
this
contract.
Specifically,
sir,
it
was
awarded
by
a
rfp
back
in
the
I
think
it
was
2019
related
to
the
kweb
strategic
plan.
G
In
this
instance,
the
executive
director
of
the
kweb
left
in
june
of
2021,
and
we
didn't
get
a
new
executive
director
named
until
july,
and
it
was
during
that
window.
When
I
agree
with
you,
we
should
have
caught
it
and
identified
it
for
renewal,
but
our
process
wasn't
in
place
yet
deloitte
performed
some
work
in
july
and
stephanie
can
correct
me
from
wrong,
maybe
august.
This
contract
is
in
place
to
pay
them
for
that
work.
G
That
was
that
occurred
in
july
and
august,
where
you
do
not
tend
to
renew
this
contract
after
december.
31St
and
deloitte
is
not
performing
work
related
to
this
contract
any
longer.
This
this
july,
1
to
december
31,
is
in
place
to
pay
them
for
the
work
that's
occurred
and
again
I
share
your
frustration
with
retroactive
start
dates,
and
this
is
one
that
our
new
policy
will
prevent
this
from
happening
again,
as
we
move
into
the
next
fiscal
cycle.
A
Well,
thank
you,
I
hope
and
pray
that
it
does.
I'm
very
process
oriented
and
you
know
I'm
continually
amazed
how
we'll
see
turnover
and
personnel
and
for
whatever
reason,
the
whole
system
collapses,
when
if
we
have
processes
and
policy
procedures
in
place,
that
wouldn't
happen,
and
so
I
appreciate
taking
that
action.
But
again
this
one
particularly
bothers
me
because
it
looks
like
someone
could
have
informed
us
in
july
august,
september,
october
or
november
that
this
was
going
to
be
the
situation
with
this
particular
contract.
A
A
That's
not
suggest
that
the
work's
inappropriate
anybody's
done
anything
inappropriate,
but
you're
asking
me
to
take
a
blind
leap
of
faith
to
say:
everything's,
okay-
and
I
can't
do
that,
but
I
do
appreciate
you
taking
the
proactive
position
on
this
and
making
sure
we
have
processes
in
place
to
does
it
happen
in
the
future.
But
this
one
concerns
me
greatly,
in
particular
with
this
vendor,
who
has
kind
of
had
a
checkered
history
with
our
commonwealth
as
it
stands.
A
It
certainly
could
have
the
appearance
that
nobody
wants
to
see
this
contract
until
the
services
were
completed,
so
it
goes
beyond
being
frustrated
with
it.
It
goes
back
to
question
the
the
integrity
and
credibility
of
this
committee
in
our
effort
to
do
our
job.
C
Yes,
I
wanted
to
get
a
little
bit
deeper
on
what
exactly
was
deloitte
doing
in
july
and
august
with
no
contract
in
place,
or
did
I
miss
something?
Were
they
just
performing
services
because
they
thought
we
might
want
them,
or
did
we
have
some
agreement
that
we
didn't
know
about
what?
How
did
that
actually
happen?.
G
Senator
southwest
I'll
speak
to
stephanie,
I'm
going
to
turn
to
you
in
a
second
what
they
were
doing,
but
to
the
first
part
of
your
question
again.
This
is
a
process
error
that
we
didn't
catch
and
what
happened
was
the
contract
had
been
in
place
since
there
was
a
contract
that
was
implemented
in
2019?
G
It
was
renewed
in
2020
and,
to
be
honest,
the
term
determination
of
the
contract
was
not
communicated
to
deloitte
at
the
end
of
this
past
fiscal
year
and
they
continued
working
under.
I
guess
the
assumption
that
I
can't
speak
to
them
to
their
determination,
but
they
were
working
as
they
had
been
under
the
prior
years
con
contracts,
and
so
that's
from
a
how
it
happened.
Standpoint
stephanie,
I
don't
know
if
you
wanna,
if
you
could
speak
to
what
they
were
doing
and
how
the
work
was
necessary
for
this
strategic
plan.
D
C
G
So
the
initial
contract
term,
I'm
looking
at
notes
here,
was
per
an
rfp
in
may
of
2019
through
june
30
2020.
The
second
term
was
july
1
2020
through
june
30
this
year
and
again
I
can't
speak
to
deloitte's
point
of
view.
This
contract
terminated.
They
were
in
the
implementation
phase
and
notification
of
the
termination
did
not
get
communicated
to
deloitte.
Nor
did
we
in
the
ewc
flag
it
because
again
the
executive
director
was
absent
when
I
had
resigned
and
the
new
executive
director
wasn't
in
place
at
the
time.
C
I
understand
it's
nice
to
get
reminders,
I'm
just
trying
to
think
of
under
terms
of
a
contract.
Wouldn't
they
know
when
they
signed
from
the
get-go
when
it
ended,
they
need
to
get
their
work
wrapped
up
and
whatever
works,
not
within
the
scope
of
that
contract
doesn't
get
done
and
whatever
work
is
still
yet
to
go.
Then
they
they
contact.
You
is
that
am
I
wrong
there.
I've
just
tried.
I
understand,
I'm.
C
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
many
times
this
is
going
to
happen,
or
has
it
happened,
other
places
where,
after
the
fact
we
find
out.
Oh
somebody
did
work
for
us,
let's
pay
them
and
if
they
did
work
for
us,
we
didn't
ask
for
I'm
not
entirely
sure.
That's
a
legal
liability
and
now
we're
paying
money
out
for
people
start
working
making
up
stuff
that
we
wanted
him
to
do.
G
That
contract
process
in
this
instance
and
I'm
not
trying
to
be
evasive,
they
were
performing
work.
I
don't
know
why
or
how
they
did
not
flag
it.
We
didn't
and
that's
where
my
responsibilities
are
and
sorry
saw
a
note
pop
up
and
so
this
contract
for
the
new
term
july
1
to
the
end
of
this
calendar
year,
is
to
pay
for
the
implementation
phase
that
they
were
on
track
to
implement
under
the
terms
of
the
contract
that
terminated
july
june,
30
2021.
C
G
Stephanie,
can
you
speak
to
usefulness?
I
think
the
work
has
completed.
A
Thank
you
any
other
questions
comments.
If
not,
is
there
a
motion
to
approve.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
speaking
on
this
and
I
I
know
that
sometimes
we
do
a
contract.
We
can't
get
into
the
realities
of
it
because
they
might
have,
especially
if
there's
a
legal
dispute.
So
I
don't
want
to
dive
into
that
because
we're
sitting
here
today.
E
E
We
think
that
would
be
legal
bound
by
an
unjust
enrichment,
even
though
there
probably
wasn't
a
binding
contract
in
place,
or
do
we
believe,
as
our
internal
attorney
said,
that
they
believe
that
we
are
legally
bound
to
pay
this,
I'm
just
kind
of
because,
if
we're
supposed
to
be
judging
what
our,
what
are
legal
legally
bound
to
do,
is
that
something
you
can
comment
for
this
this
committee,
or
is
that
determination
been
made
or
is
there
so
much
dispute
right
now
over
this
amount.
G
There's
not
enough
dispute.
The
the
services
that
were
conducted
were
for
the
implementation
which
was
complemented
contemplated.
Excuse
me
in
the
terms
of
the
prior
agreement
that
that
work
is
complete.
You
know
I'd.
If
if
we
did
not
pay
it,
I'm
you
know,
I
can't
speak
to
what
legal
ramifications
deloitte
might
implement.
I
certainly
agree.
I
certainly
don't
think
with
it.
G
We
should
be
in
a
position
where
we
pay,
just
because
someone
threatened
suit,
but
in
this
particular
instance
the
and
then
deloitte
has
not
done
that
in
this
particular
instance.
These
services
were
rendered
within
the
scope
of
the
contract
and
were
delivered
pursuant
to
the
terms
of
the
contract
that
terminated
june
30..
So
this
is
to
pay
them
for
the
work
that
they
were
doing
on
behalf
of
the
k-web
and
did
do
on
behalf
of
the
k-web,
and
it
was
within
the
scope
and
was
beneficial
to
the
k-wood.
E
And
that
that's
if
I
made
mr
chair,
that's
what
I
was
looking
to
that's
what
I
was
looking
to
follow
up
on.
Obviously
another
journey
that
the
the
details
matter,
and
so
I
know
that
we're
looking
at
it
from
a
standpoint.
It
may
not
have
be
binding,
but
that's
what
we'd
have
to
trust
it
from
internally
that
you
guys
took
the
time
to
look
to
see
hey.
This
is
a
this
would
be
something
that
would
be.
E
G
A
A
A
C
I'm
gonna
vote.
I
I
appreciate
senator
yates
for
bringing
up
a
couple
of
different
theories
that
this
may
be
going
on,
and
I
had
a
lot
more
questions
to
try
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
what
theory.
I
think
it
falls
under
myself,
but
I
do
think
we
want
to
at
least
send
a
signal,
even
if
the
attorneys
somewhere
else
can
identify
that
for
us.
We
do
want
to
send
a
signal
that
you
can't
just
come
into
this
commonwealth
contract
for
services,
not
finish
it
in
time.
C
E
I
vote
no
in
in
simply
for
kind
of
the
song.
The
same
long,
as
is
my
colleague,
is
kind
of
explained,
as
I
do
have
some
issues,
obviously
with
this,
but
as
an
agent
that
is
testifying
before
us,
we
don't
know
all
the
details
of
it,
but
at
this
point
I
have
to
rely
on
on
the
representation
that
that
just
has
to
be
paid.
E
It
needs
to
be
paid,
I'm
all
for
sending
the
signal,
and
I
think
that
our
chair
of
our
committee
does
that
very
well
in
saying
that
we
don't
want
these
after
the
fact.
In
this
particular
case
mark
you
said
that
we
messed
up,
that
we
missed
it
and
that
we
owe
it,
and
so
I
think,
here's
where
we're
being
financially
responsible.
E
H
A
D
I
don't
know
on
this
motion,
although
I
share
the
concerns
about
about
after
the
fact,
but
I
think
senator
yates
expressed
what's
in
my
mind
very
well,
so
I
think
that
you
know.
I
think
that
the
point
has
been
made
in
this
committee,
but
today
it's
a
no.
A
I
mean
yes,
I
want
to
explain
my
vote
as
well.
I
appreciate
senator
h's
position
on
this
and
certainly
agreement
with
him,
but
I
remind
the
committee
that
we're
just
kind
of
advisory
in
nature.
A
You
know
we
will
disapprove
this
contract
because
the
the
votes
are
there,
but
we
know
that
finance
will
overrule
us
for
the
very
reasons
that
senator
yates
and
representative
mentor
have
mentioned,
but
I
think
it
does
help
send
us
a
strong
message
that
enough
is
enough
in
this,
and
this
committee's
needs
to
be
respected
and
make
sure
we
see
this
information
on
a
timely
basis.
So
again
I
vote.
A
This
is
number
31
from
the
transportation
cabinet.
If
representatives
here,
please
identify
yourself
for
the
record.
A
Good
morning
appreciate
you
both
joining
us.
I
pulled
this
contract
and
again
it's
because
I
have
a
real
aversion
to
doing
business
with
the
state
of
california,
not
to
belabor
the
point,
but
you
may
recall
back
in
2018,
the
attorney
general
of
california
took
issue
with
some
legislation
that
we
passed
that
had
no
impact
on
california
whatsoever,
but
he
decided
that
he
would
retaliate
by
not
allowing
his
employees
to
travel
to
the
state
of
kentucky
for
business,
obviously
with
intent
to
harm
our
economy
and
the
working
people
of
the
state.
K
And
if
laura.
K
Employee
safety
is
a
top
priority
for
us
and
we
as
you've
seen
this
past
weekend
as
the
transportation
cabinet
responded
to
the
tornado
concerns
in
western
kentucky.
I
mean
we,
our
employees
are
constantly
on
the
front
line
of
of
whatever
comes
at
the
commonwealth,
whether
it
be
snow
and
ice
or
other
activities,
and
having
our
folks
properly
trained
having
our
culture,
safety
or
safety
culture
such
that
that
we're
able
to
respond
safely
and
get
all
of
our
employees
at
home
at
night.
This.
K
This
study
is
basically
just
to
to
assess
where
we
are
and
to
help
us
develop
a
path
forward
to
primarily
keep
our
folks
safe,
so
who
we
hired
was
secondary
to
what
we
were
trying
to
do,
and
we
definitely
wanted
to
hire
quality
firm,
which
we
believe
these
folks
bring
strong
credentials
to
this
this
arena.
Mr
chairman,.
A
I
don't
think
anyone,
that's
a
committee
will
argue
with
the
intent
of
the
contract.
We
certainly
want
to
keep
all
of
our
employees
safe,
regardless
of
which
cabinet
they're
in
you
know
throughout
the
state,
but
it
does
concern
me
that
we
are
asked
to
pass
a
lot
of
really
what
ends
up
being
a
sole
source
contract.
A
You
know
this
is
a
large
cut
country
with
over
300
and
I
guess
40
million
people
now
and
we
only
get
one
response
for
ifp.
It
makes
me
suspect
that
maybe
we're
making
so
these
rfps
so
restrictive
and
so
specific
that
the
that
folks
can't
reply
to
them.
So
I'm
sure
that's
a
concern
aside
from
the
fact
that
this
is
a
california
based
company
and
again
I
don't
know
how
we
send
a
message
to
california
that
if
you're
going
to
boycott
kentucky,
then
we
will
boycott
you.
J
Contract,
if
I
might
add
one
thing,
let
me
clarify
they
were
the
only
responsive
proposal.
We
did
receive
a
second
response.
However,
it
was
late,
it
was
past
the
deadline,
so
we
were
unable
to
consider
it
for
award.
A
A
A
Exactly
that's
my
point
about
source
contracts.
Again
this
is
a
large
country
country
with
the
I'm
sure
there
are
other
firms
out
there.
It
just
bothers
me-
and
this
may
be
something
we
need
to
take.
A
look
at
in
the
future-
is
how
we're
developing
these
rfps,
but
that's
an
argument
for
another
day
with
that
I
have
no
other
questions.
There's
a
motion
to
approve.
E
Mr
chair,
I
have
one
question
if
I
may
well,
certainly,
yes
thank
you,
mr
chair
miss
hagan.
You
did
say
there
was
another
contract
that
was
presented
and
although
it
was
considered,
I
guess,
by
the
limitations
in
terms
of
the
sole
source,
you
know
ending
date.
So
I
understand
legally,
why
that
wasn't,
but
just
for
purposes
this
commute
this
committee
to
be
able
to
compare
the
reasonableness
of
it.
Do
you
have
the
the
bid
amount
that
they
bid
on
it.
E
J
E
J
I
I
know
that
the
cross
bell
group
has
already
begun
some
work.
Since
this
contract
did
begin
november
22nd
we
would
need
to
pay
them
for
what
they
have
completed,
but
we
can
certainly
cancel
and
reissue.
E
E
In
in
the
event
that
this
does
happen
and
that
you
have
only
one
competitive
one
on
a
sole
source
contract,
even
though
you
put
it
out
for
bid-
and
we
have
one
response-
obviously
this
needs
to
to
begin.
I
understand
you
have
a
dude.
You
know
time
to
start
in
your
history
of
of
doing
that.
Paying
off
would
we
be
in
breach
of
contract.
E
Then,
since
we
have,
you
know,
they've
submitted
for
entire
contract
or
would,
as
do
we,
have
some
kind
of
saving
calls
in
there,
where
it's
kind
of
a
pro
rata
deal.
If
we
decide
to
bid
it
back
out.
E
But
the
reason
I
asked
that
is
is
having
worked
the
other
side
as
the
attorney
on
it.
I
I
don't
want
to
put
us
in
a
position
where
we're
breach
of
a
contract.
We
have
to
pay
the
lost
profits
on
one
and
then
simply
pay
someone
else
to
finish
out.
I
don't
want
to
put
us
in
a
worse
position,
but
I
think
this
does
underline
the
need
for
making
sure
we
do
have
competitively
big
contracts
in
the
event
that
we
had.
Only
one
person
respond
within
a
time
period.
E
Would
we
be
under
any
kind
of
restriction
to
turn
around
and
rebid
that
or
would
be
held
legally
within
that
the?
I
guess,
because
we
did
put
out
the
offer
on
the
bids.
J
Right
so
at
any
time,
we
we
have
reserved
the
right
to
not
make
an
award
based
on
that
rfp.
I
think,
given
the
the
the
goal
of
this
contract
and
the
nature
of
what
they're
doing
the
cabinet
wanted
to
move
forward
with
an
award
to
this
firm,
their
their
response
was
impressive.
They've
done
this
for
for
other
companies
that
we,
you
know
looked
into,
and
we
were
comfortable
moving
forward.
E
In
the
other
firm
that
did
the
55
000
that
was
outside
the
time,
were
they
not
comparable
to
this
firm?
Is
that
why
I
mean
I
understand
if
you
buy
art,
you
know
once
one
could
be
a
lot
more
expensive
than
the
other
at
all,
when
you're
dealing
with
sole
source
contracts,
sometimes
it
deals
with
who
they
are
and
what
they're
capable
of
doing
was
the
other
firm,
not
comparable.
J
Right
so
since
they
were
late,
we
were
unable
to
even
review
it
at
all.
So
we
we
didn't
even
get
to
that
point.
A
K
Please,
and
just
just
a
note
for
the
committee,
we
did
have
this
one
response
that
laura
mentions,
but
crafts
bell
is
a
nationally
recognized
firm
and
we
were.
We
were
very
satisfied
to
get
their
interest
in
this
project.
So
I
appreciate
the
committee's
concern
absolutely,
but
we
were
looking
at
their
ability
to
help
us
in
the
way
that
we
needed-
and
we
were
excited
to
get
a
nationally
recognized
firm
to
offer
to
to
help
us
with
this.
A
C
And
mr
chairman,
I
was
just
going
to
go
back
on
the
comment
earlier.
Senator
yates
was
wondering
about
breach
of
contract
and
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
since
it
hadn't
been
pointed
out.
Yet
every
contract
I've
ever
seen
from
this
state
always
has
a.
We
can
resend
clause
and
it's
usually
a
30-day
notice,
but
I've
seen
as
low
as
14
before
and
sometimes
there's
no
notices,
I've
seen
those
as
well.
C
So
we
could
look
at
that
to
be
sure,
but
it
they're
kind
of
on
edge,
basically
trusting
us
when
they
enter
into
these
in
all
the
languages.
I've
seen
my
my
comment,
though,
or
question
I
guess
on
this,
I
just
wanted
to
point
out.
I
was
hearing.
I
think
it
was
after
our
last
meeting
or
something
some
kentucky's,
not
the
only
state
that's
been
boycotted
by
california.
C
H
My
question
goes
back
to
kind
of
just
trying
to
figure
out
what
goes
on
behind
the
scenes
once
you
all
receive
these
bids.
Obviously
the
55
000
came
in
after
the
deadline.
I
understand
that,
but
where
does
it
go
from
there
because
you've
got
an
opportunity
to
save
a
substantial
amount
of
money
and
is
is?
Would
there
be
no
interest?
I
mean,
I
know
that
you
know
if
it
were
me
personally
and
it
was
my
business
and
I
was
making
that
decision.
H
If
somebody
says
131
000,
somebody
says
I
can
do
the
same
work
for
55
000..
Well,
you
know
I
might
have
missed
my
bid
con
my
big
time,
but
before
I
award
that
bid,
I'm
going
to
want
to
know
for
sure
what
that
55
000
bid
is
about
before
I
and
I
go
ahead
and
award
a
contract
for
131
000..
So
I
mean
what
what
was
the
the
conversation
behind
the
scenes
when
that
happens?
Was
it
just
hey?
It
came
in
late
too
bad.
K
If,
if
I
could
and
and
laura's
described
the
situation
from
her
perspective
in
that
the
second
bid
was
not
something
that
was
allowable,
so
the
committee
itself
never
saw
that,
so
we
didn't
know
we
had
another
bid.
Frankly,
I
would
have
given
anything
if
we'd
had
10
bids
or
even
two
more
bids
that
had
been
satisfactory,
so
we
could
have
weighed
those
we
do
that
constantly
with
with
projects
that
we
led
as
a
cabinet.
K
The
discussion
among
the
committee
was:
is
this
responsive
to
our
needs,
and
the
answer
was
absolutely
yes
among
the
committee,
as
we
looked
at
what
the
group
was
going
to
do
for
us
was
the
price
fair.
We
attempted
to
benchmark
as
best
we
could,
but
this
isn't.
This
is
a
subject
area
that
is,
is
not
so
cut
and
dried
as
a
as
a
highway
contract,
so
we
simply
were
making
our
best
judgment
that,
for
what
we
were
looking
for,
this
was
a
reasonable
amount
to
pay.
H
I
get
that,
thank
you
for
that
answer
and
I
understand
the
committee.
They
were
blind
completely
to
that
fit
that
other
bid
that
55
000
bid.
But
again
is
there
no
mechanism
within
the
transportation
cabinet,
for
when
you
have
a
sole
source
contract
like
this,
that
if
you
get
another
contract
that
might
have
fallen
outside
the
parameters
somewhat,
but
is
for
substantially
less
amount
of
money,
is
there
no
mechanism
to
communicate
somewhere
along
the
path
behind
the
scenes
that
hey?
You
know,
we
might
need
to
look
at
this
again.
K
Well,
I
would
suggest
that,
had
we
had,
we
known
I
mean
had
had
that
been
available
to
us,
then
our
next
move
would
have
been
not
just
the
price,
but
what
are
they
bringing
you
know
what?
What?
What?
What
response
are
they
making
toward
our
need
and
that
would
have
driven
the
decision?
Not
the
dollars
per
se.
D
Yes,
sir
good
morning
I
didn't
realize
we
were
going
to
find
ourselves
on
such
the
on
the
horns
of
such
a
moral
dilemma.
This
morning,
here
in
government
contract
review
on
one
hand,
we've
got
a
successful
bidder.
They
were
on
time,
they
met
the
specifications
and
it
was
awarded
to
them
and
you're
sitting
here
on
government
contract
review.
I
don't
know
how
you
can't.
D
I
can't
vote
to
approve
that
they
that
company
meant
everything
that
they
were
supposed
to
do
on
the
other
horn.
We
have
a
definite
problem
within
the
process
of
this
in
the
transportation
problem
and
that
seriously
needs
to
be
addressed.
I
don't
know
in
my
mind.
I
don't
know
that
if
we
can
address
that
on
this
one
contract
that's
already
been
awarded,
I
have
a
serious
problem
with
how
this,
how
that's
going
down
as
well
and
how
we
need
to
review
that.
That's
all
I
have,
mr
chairman,.
A
K
We
in
transportation,
we
have
many
front
line.
Employees
secondary
employees
who
are
exposed
to
a
variety
of
safety
concerns
and
issues
and
what
we
try
to
develop
have
been
trying
to
develop
over
the
long
term
and
it's
a
journey
but
we're
trying
to
inculcate
into
the
minds
of
our
employees
this
culture
of
safety
when
they
get
up
in
the
morning.
K
They
think
about
doing
things
the
right
way
so
as
not
to
injure
themselves-
and
it
really
is
all
about
constantly
being
aware
of
and
taking
the
steps
necessary
to
ensure
that
our
employees
get
through
the
day
safely
and
that
they're
able
to
go
home
to
their
families
safely
at
night.
So
that
culture
describes
the
the
process
through
which
they
go
about
their
jobs
in
the
safest
possible
manner.
A
E
Don't
move
mr
chair
for
the
reasons
my
colleague
stated,
but
I
do
think
that
we
can
get
to
the
bottom
of
the
process.
Thank
you.
I'm
going
to
second
that.
A
Thank
you
motion
by
senator
yates,
all
those
favorite
the
vote.
I
all
opposed
vote
no
clerk.
Please
call
the
row.
C
Explain
my
vote,
mr
chairman.
Yes,
please,
I
think
I'm
going
to
vote
yes
and
similar
reasons
here.
I
would
really
like
to
have
known
this
55
000
bid
if
it
even
met
all
of
the
parameters
that
we
are
asking,
because
that
can
happen
as
well
and
perhaps
they
only
had
half
the
stuff
and
and
but
perhaps
they
had
all
of
it,
and
we
don't
know-
and
I
think
that's
a
45-8
problem.
C
If
I'm
wrong,
then
let's
get
it
solved
somewhere
else,
but
I
would
like
to
hopefully
solicit
the
members
of
this
body
to
maybe
go
in
together
on
a
45
a
bill,
because
it's
not
the
first
issue.
We
found
that
maybe
needs
to
be
looked
at.
Thank
you.
M
M
They
do
this
to
all
the
states,
but
until
we
start
standing
up
for
ourselves,
if
we
turn
these
contracts
down
and
and
these
companies
start
losing
money-
they're
not
going
to
put
pressure
on
their
state
not
to
do
this,
but
that's
not
happened
not
only
in
our
state
but
in
other
states,
and
so
this
stuff
continuously
happens.
So
I'm
going
to
vote
no
because
at
some
point
we
got
to
fight
for
ourselves.
A
D
Vote
aye,
and
I
also
realize
here,
for
all
the
reasons
I
stated
earlier,
that
we
have
a
we
have
a
company
that
completed
the
contract,
met
the
specs
and
completed
the
rfb
process.
I
think
we
have
to
go
through
the
contract,
but
I
agree
with
senator
southworth
and
we
definitely
need
to
look
at
the
process
how
we
move
forward
with
this.
Thank
you.
A
No
motion
passes
mr
hancock
and
ms
hayden
appreciate
you
joining
us
this
morning
and
engaging
us
in
this
dialogue
and
greatly
appreciate
it.
Merry
christmas
to
you
merry.
A
L
A
Yeah
I
pulled
this
one.
Okay,
let
me
read
you:
the
contract
description
provides
funds
for
a
systematic
assessment
of
the
university's
research
administration,
sponsored
project,
grant
management
organizational
structure
and
provides
a
detailed
report
of
the
findings
or
recommendations,
an
executive
summary
of
recommendations,
knowing
the
impact
of
each
one
of
the
university.
L
It's
complicated,
yeah,
well,
university
of
kentucky
is,
as
the
commonwealth's
flagship
land
grant
university.
We
have
just
shy
of
500
million
dollars
of
sponsored
federal
research
on
our
campus
at
any
given
time
that
number's
increased.
It's
almost
doubled
over
the
past
five
years,
quite
frankly,
where
this
contract
is
going
to
undertake
a
systematic
approach
to
make
sure
one
we're
complying
with
all
the
federal
guidelines
with
sponsored
research
at
the
federal
level.
L
It's
it's
a
monumental
undertaking
and
if
you
don't
comply,
you
run
the
risk
of
losing
the
federal
sponsored
dollars.
So
that's
why
we
have
hired
deloitte
to
undertake
this
process
to
look
at
top
down
to
see
what
we
need
to
do
differently.
What
we
can
do
better
make
it
easier
to
comply
with
all
the
federal
requirements
for
this
sponsored
research
and
we
rfp'd
this.
This
was
the
winning
proposal
and
hopefully
they
will
come
back
with
some
recommendations.
L
Obviously,
the
funds
to
pay
for
this
basically
come
out
of
the
sponsored
research
as
we
get,
and
don't
quote
me
on
this
please,
but
we
get
some
percentage
off.
Those
federal
grants
for
administration
and-
and
so
those
are
the
dollars
that
will
ultimately
end
up
paying
for
this.
But
we
are
trying
to
figure
out
one
what
we
can
do
better
and
what
we
need
to
do
differently
to
make
sure
we
comply
with
all
the
federal
requirements
of
sponsored
research.
A
L
N
No
there
were,
there
were
actually
chairman
meredith.
There
were
actually
four
proposals
that
were
considered
they.
These
are
in
it's
a
very
specialized
field,
so
there's
not
a
huge
pool
of
potential
applicants,
but
we
had
we
had
a
very
good
response
from
from
nationally
known
firms
and
the
successful
proposal
after
the
rfp
committee
reviewed,
the
proposals
was
deloitte.
N
I
don't
have
that
information
with
me.
Let
me
see
if
I.
N
I
I
will
tell
you
that
our
standard
process
is
that
I'm
I'm
I'm
expecting
when
I
go
home
to
find
this
would
be
the
low
cost
provider
because
we
start
there
and
if
that
one
works,
that's
where
we
stop,
but
if
assuming
they're
qualified,
of
course
and
then
we
move
up
from
there
that's
standard
process.
But
I
do
not
have
the
specific
facts.
Sir.
A
Well,
with
the
conversation
we've
had
this
morning,
maybe
we'd
be
better
off
just
contracting
with
deloitte
to
run
the
state.
We
could
save
ourselves
a
whole
lot
of
time
and
senator
southworth.
C
I
have
a
question
because
this
is
not
the
first
contract
just
today,
and
certainly
not
the
last
we're
going
to
probably
ever
see
on
these
resources
that
are
helping
us
figure
out
how
to
make
sure
we're
in
compliance
with
things,
and
you
said:
if
we
don't
comply,
you
know,
then
that
brings
problems
which
we
all
know,
but
how
often
do
we
do
these
consulting
contracts?
How
often
are
they
looking
at
this?
Have
we
just
been
out
of
compliance
this
whole
time
we
didn't
know,
and
today
we
just
boom
we're
going
to
start
with
this
contract.
L
No,
don't
we
don't
do
this,
I
don't
think
we're
out
of
compliance
right
now.
I
don't
want
to
give
you
that
impression
at
all.
I
think
we're
looking
at
our
process
to
make
sure
that
we
stay
in
compliance.
What
we
can
do
better,
what
we
can
do
differently
to
make
sure
we
do
stay
in
compliance
with
that,
we
are
taking
a
top-down
approach
to
all
of
our
research
enterprise
and
and
trying
to
figure
out
the
best
processes,
but
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
we
are
in
compliance
today.
L
C
D
N
Well,
the
if
I
may
senator
the
the
the
scope
of
the
rfp
was
was
designed
to
look
at
not
a
specific
project,
but
really
the
structure,
organizational
structure,
positions
and
responsibilities,
processes
and
then
the
electronic
data
management.
So
you
know
the
standard
playbook
of
roles,
responsibilities,
empowerment,
accountability.
N
You
know,
I
think
that
that
is
what
they
were.
Looking
at,
looking
at
our
organization
look
at
best
in
class.
These
are
complicated
matters.
The
federal
grant
guidelines
change
constantly.
It's
a
constant
struggle
for
my
procurement.
People,
myself
included
to
keep
up
with
that,
so
just
making
sure
we're
structured
and
organized
appropriately
and
tracking
documents
appropriately-
and
you
know
doing
our.
You
know
good
good
best
practices
on
campus
to
manage
these
400
plus
million
dollar
contracts.
C
Okay
and
my
final
question
deloitte
the
way
I
know
them
that
I
consider
them
well
known
for
boilerplate
reports
and
it
seems
like
to
me
there
are
a
number
of
research
grants
out
there
going
to
other
universities.
C
There
are
a
number
of
land-grant
universities
and
I'm
sure
that
uk
is
special
because
they
do
stuff
that
nobody's
done
in
the
whole
wide
world
ever,
but
there
are
other
things
they're,
probably
doing
that
are
similar
to
other
people,
and
I'm
wondering
does
deloitte
have
other
of
these
recommendation.
Reports
from
other
universities
that
we've
reviewed
that
your
project
management
office
has
reviewed
to
incorporate
as
best
practices
internally
without
needing
special
contracts.
N
N
You
know,
I
think,
our
operations,
you
know
our
scope
is
somewhat
unique
in
the
fact
that
we
are
the
land
grant
and
the
flagship,
and
we
have
the
ag
and
the
athletics
and
the
research
and
the
academics
and
in
the
healthcare
enterprise
all
under
one
umbrella,
which
is
is
not
unique
in
it
as
in
seoul.
But
it
is
somewhat
unusual
across
the
country.
We
are
somewhat
unique.
So
there's
plenty
there's
not
a
lot
of
peer
group
that
that
would
be
like
us
and
I
think
that
you're
you're.
N
I
I
fully
support
your
comment
about
consultants
and
boilerplate.
I
mean
I,
these
consultants,
all
of
these
consultants
will
take
as
much
of
your
money
as
you.
Let
them
that
that,
let's
just
be
clear
about
that-
and
so
you
know
it's
our
job
to
play
just
as
hard
to
save
money
as
they
do
to
make
money,
and
we
all
go
I'm
unhappy.
But
but
you
know
that
that's
that's
the
guidance.
I
give
to
my
staff
but
you're,
absolutely
correct.
N
C
Well,
I
agree
it's
going
to
be
a
challenge.
I
would
just
encourage
you
to
get
your
project
management
office
reviewing
all
their
other
former
reports
before
they
give
you
your
report
and
you'll
be
able
to
establish
in
black
and
white
exactly
how
custom
it
was
and
will
know
for
future
reference,
and
they
will
already
be
able
to
implement
some
of
their
recommendations
before
we
even
have
them.
Thank
you.
A
A
C
I'm
gonna
vote
no
because
I
feel
like
if
we
haven't
already
gotten
in
trouble,
not
that
we
won't
wait
till
then,
but
this
is
obviously
a
we
could
do
it
now.
We
could
do
it
next
month.
We
do
it
six
months
from
now
get
started
on
this,
and
I'd
like
to
hear
that
we
had
already
evaluated
everything
else
first
before
we
enter
into
these
contracts,
and
you
know
how
I
feel
about
deloitte,
so
I
I'm
just
going
to
vote
no
right
now.
H
F
A
I
begrudgingly
but
motion
carries
next.
Contract
is
number
35
born
llc,
again
university
of
kentucky,
and
I
have
requested
this
being
pulled.
I
don't
know
if
they
got
any
questions
as
much.
I
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
our
this
difference
in
philosophy
and
we're
spending
200
000
with
an
outside
firm.
I
brought
this
position
up
before.
You've
noted
that
you're,
the
largest
land-grant
university
in
the
state
also
you're
the
research
center
for
this
state.
A
You
know
we
should
be
farming
out
this
expertise
rather
than
having
to
hire
from
outside,
and
I
don't
understand
why
we
have
programs
at
university
of
kentucky
on
I'm
sure,
graphics,
design,
that
you
know.
We
can't
turn
this
over
to
an
art
department
as
a
project
and
say
do
it.
You
know
this
is
200
000,
just
to
put
together
the
kind
of
the
plan
it
looks
like,
but
then
you're
going
to
have.
I
assume
the
expense
of
advertising
and
marketing
of
the
60th
anniversary
and
I've
just
always
had
an
aversion
as
a
health
care
executive.
A
We've
got
a
crisis
in
this
country
with
the
cost
of
health
care.
It's
approaching.
20
percent
of
gross
national
product-
you
know
if
it
goes
much
above
that's
going
to
cause
this
economy
to
collapse,
we're
looking
at
our
rural
health
care
system
in
kentucky,
and
it's
already
there
and
200
thousand
dollars,
may
not
seem
a
lot
to
the
university
of
kentucky
the
medical
center.
I'm
going
to
tell
you
some
of
the
hospitals
I
worked
with.
A
This
is
a
decade,
a
bottom
line
and
there's
just
some
kind
of
institutional
arrogance
about
this
that
that
really
bothers
me
200
000,
and
who
pays
for
this.
You
know,
I
think
every
dollar
of
health
healthcare
that
is
spent
should
be
to
improve
the
quality
of
care
or
improve
access
to
care
or
to
make
the
system
more
efficient.
This
does
none
of
this.
This
ends
up
being
just
a
patchy
on
the
back
and
beat
your
chest
and
say:
look
how
great
we
are.
A
You
know
I
think,
when
it
comes
to
year,
61
for
the
for
the
medical
center
nobody's
going
to
remember
any
of
this.
It's
just
it's
it's!
It's
an
exercise
in
futility
and
self-gratification
that
it
just
not
does
not
make
sense
to
me.
You
know
that
200
000
it's
got
to
come
from
some
places.
It's
coming
from
the
pocketbooks
of
the
working
people.
The
state
and
working
people
can
no
longer
afford
health
care
and
that's
a
reason
why
we
all
talk
about
health
care
is
too
expensive.
A
L
A
It's
a
it's!
It's
a
it's
a
small
piece
of
the
overall
budget
for
the
medical
center
and
I
get
that
but
again
for
hospitals
that
are
struggling
throughout
the
state.
This
is
monumental
amount.
I
felt
a
whole
lot
better
if
you
said
in
recognition
for
our
60th
anniversary.
Let's
get
this
200
000
to
mayfield
kentucky.
A
L
These
all
came
to
fruition
because
we
had
philanthropic
partners
and
when
we
do
an
event
like
this,
we
full
well
expect
that
we're
going
to
leverage
this
200
000
as
we
move
down
the
road
to
benefit
the
university
of
kentucky
healthcare.
It's
not
just
pat
us
on
the
back
and
feel
good.
It's
because
we
are
celebrating
something
that
this
general
assembly
created
60
years
ago
with
the
gentleman
excuse
me,
the
chandler
medical
center,
and
it's
been
very
successful
to
this
commonwealth
and
we
think
an
event
like
this
is
crucial
to
keep
us
moving
forward.
A
Well,
it
is
an
excellent
response.
I
appreciate
that,
but
I
don't
think
answer.
The
issue
is
again
as
the
largest
research
university
in
in
this
state
and
one
of
the
the
best
this
side
of
the
mississippi
river.
You
know
why
can't
we
turn
this
a
project
over
to
then
the
art
department
of
uk
graphic
design,
department
and
say
you
folks
do
this.
You
know.
One
of
the
biggest
events
we
have
in
kentucky
is
the
derby
and
every
year.
L
I'm
not
certain,
we
couldn't
do
that,
but
but
I
also
think
that
we
could
run
into
some
problems
and
I
think
I've
answered
either
representative
bowling
or
representative
cook
on
this
same
issue
about
co-opting
students
to
do
our
work
for
for
us.
So
so
we
might
get
in
a
little
bit
of
trouble
with
labor
laws
there,
depending
on
how
we
structured
things,
but
but
there's
no
reason,
maybe
we
couldn't,
but
in
this
instance
we
we
went
out
to
our
pool
of
people.
C
The
difference
between
and
everybody
always
says
you
know,
we
need
people
to
run
the
government
like
a
business,
and
I
I
thought
that
was
a
good
idea
until
I
thought
about
it
and
actually
worked
here.
No,
we
don't,
because
businesses
are
seeking
to
grow.
Businesses
are
seeking
to
expand.
Businesses
are
seeking
to
do
things
that
will
enhance
the
business,
not
necessarily,
although
it
helps
to
have
the
customer
enhanced,
but
it's
not
as
much
about
the
customer
as
it
is
about
the
business
and
in
public
service.
It's
the
opposite.
C
We're
not
sure
if
we're
going
to
see
the
results
from
in
the
next
fiscal
year,
we're
going
to
be
told,
we've
got
a
surplus,
and
now
we
can
spend
it
when,
in
fact,
it's
really
payoff
from
this
original
investment
and
it's
not
getting
translated
that
way.
I'm
just
seeing
there's
a
lot
of
ways.
This
probably
would
work
better
if
it
weren't
public
tax
dollars.
We're
talking
about.
C
Well,
that
that's
fine,
I
understand
that,
but
we
all
know
that
public
money
goes
to
uk
healthcare,
not
just
from
the
private
pockets.
So
so
whether
we
want
to
call
it
direct
or
indirect
tax
dollars
go
there
and
we
have
to
figure
out
how
many
tax
dollars
do
we
need
to
send
there
because,
based
on
the
need-
and
chairman
just
mentioned,
we
didn't
see
that
marketing
for
future
investment
and
additional
donors
was
actually
a
public
interest,
need.
L
Is
full
100
percent
of
the
time
we
service,
primarily
the
entire
population
of
the
state
from
lexington,
east
and
south?
I
think
I
think
our
mission
is
a
public
mission.
It
always
has
been.
It
was
created
that
way,
and
I
think
it
will
continue
to
be
that
way.
But
in
order
to
provide
health
care
to
this
commonwealth,
we
will
have
to
continue
to
grow.
We
will
have
to
continue
to
expand
and
we
will
have
to
get
better
and
use
our
dollars
smarter,
as
as
health
care
evolves.
L
We've
seen
that
the
price
of
health
care
is
outrageous.
We
all
know
that,
but
I'm
not
certain
at
the
state
level
we're
going
to
be
able
to
do
a
whole
lot
to
control
that
national
cost
of
health
care.
Now,
there's
a
lot
of
models
out
there
and
a
lot
of
theories,
but
but
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
we're
playing
in
the
arena
that
we're
in
today
and
it
does
force
us
to
grow
and
continue
to
grow
and
try
to
service
the
people
that
need
our
services.
L
We
we
get
transfers
from
every
hospital
in
this
state
as
often
as
we
can
take
them,
and
our
mission
is
to
the
entirety
of
the
commonwealth,
not
just
this
one
hospital
facility,
but
to
service
the
people
from
pikeville
to
paducah
and
and
as
we
do
that
we
will
continue
to
grow.
We
want
to
continue
to
grow
and
that's.
C
L
C
A
But
what
happens
when
we
don't
have
any
rural
hospitals
left
to
make
those
transfers
then
you're
going
to
get
a
sicker
population
you're
going
to
get
more
energy
you're
going
to
get
more
medicaid
patients?
That's
going
to
challenge
the
financial
position
of
the
chandler,
probably
more
than
you've
ever
seen
before,
and
I
guess
what
I'm
always
looking
for
from
urban
areas
is
a
symbiotic
relationship
with
the
rural
healthcare
delivery
system.
A
A
So
is
that
really
a
symbiotic
relationship,
or
are
we
just
going
through
academic
exercises
to
just
measuring
the
number
of
wing
flaps
per
pound
of
bird
seed?
Are
we
dealing
with
theory,
not
practical
application,
but
does
anybody
at
uk
may
not
be
the
right
question
for
you
folks,
but
is
anybody
uk
concerned
about
the
rural
health
care
delivery
system
in
kentucky.
L
L
Again,
we
partner
with
a
lot
of
the
rural
hospitals
on
a
lot
of
different
things.
We've
got
two
additional
medical
schools.
We've
stood
up
to
help,
help
create
the
number
of
physicians
we're
turning
out
that,
hopefully
we'll
stay
in
kentucky.
We've
got
one
in
bowling
green
one
in
northern
kentucky,
but
but
I
think
back
to
your
point
of
the
rural
hospitals,
it's
crucial.
They
they
stay
in
business
for
lack
of
a
better
word,
because
one
we
can't
take
them
all.
The
urban
hospitals
can't
possibly
take
all
the
health
care
patients
across
this
commonwealth.
L
That's
just
not
where
we
are
today
and
I
don't
see
that
a
growth
model
would
ever
produce
the
ability
to
do
that.
So
it's
crucial
that
you
know
the
appalachian,
regional
hospitals,
the
london
hospital,
the
rural
hospitals,
all
across
the
state
stay
viable,
and
I
don't
know
what
the
answer
is
to
that.
L
But
but
I
think
it's
important
for
you
all
to
make
sure
you
do
everything
you
can
to
make
that
happen,
not
to
say
that
some
hospitals
may
not
survive
in
this
ever-changing
healthcare
environment.
But
but
it's
important-
and
we
realize
it's
important,
at
least
for
the
uk
medical
center,
that
our
rural
hospitals
stay
viable.
A
Sounds
I
like
the
response
I
get
from
the
the
mcos
and
my
my
reaction
them
is
always
the
same.
Great
show
me
show
me
some
action,
but
that's
disgusting.
For
another
day
I
don't
mean
to
labor
this,
I'm
sorry.
I
apologize
committee
for
that,
but
any
other
questions
comments
about
this
contract
mark
senator
representative.
M
L
B
L
I
can
probably
get
you
some
money.
We
don't
do
this
often.
I
think
the
last
time
we
did
something
like
this
was
at
the
50-year
mark,
which
was
10
years
ago.
Unfortunately,
neither
one
of
us
were
around
at
that
time
at
the
university,
but
but
I
can
probably
get
you
some
numbers
I
think
to
demonstrate.
M
A
H
I
and
I
just
want
to
thank
university
healthcare
for
all
the
good
work
you
all
do
and
y'all
were
there
for
me
and
my
family
one
time
my
son
aspired
on
a
peanut
and
it
had
gone
down
in
the
lung
and
we
had
to
take
him
from
from
middlesboro
to
to
uk
was
our
closest
facility.
So
we
got
him
up
there.
O
H
Y'all
popped
that
thing
right
out
of
there
and
and
all
was
well,
but
it
was
a
scary
few
hours
for
us.
You
all
were
the
only
ones
that
could
do
it
or
the
closest
to
us
that
can
do
it
and
if
you
believe
these
funds
will
help
you
in
your
mission,
then
I'm
all
for
it.
M
A
Last
but
not
least,
we
have
eastern
kentucky
university.
I
see
that
ethan's
been
waiting
anxiously
in
the
back
of
the
room.
A
D
C
D
Thank
you
for
the
question.
The
reason
my
my
colleague
from
eku
athletics
is
with
me
today
is
because
this
is
largely
driven
by
student
athlete.
Kova
testing,
so
mark
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you.
If
you
want
to
elaborate
on
that
sure.
As
far
as
the
question,
we
are
not
certain
how
the
ncaa
will
continue
to
navigate
the
coveted
pandemic.
D
O
D
O
D
D
That
standard
came
out
around
the
july
1
time
frame.
Yes
from
from
the
ncaa
last
year,
it
was
even
more
last
year
we
were
testing
three
times
per
week
for
indoor
sports
pcr
testing
three
times
per
week,
so
it
has
decreased
from
the
previous
year.
C
Okay,
I'll
spare
you
all
of
the
repeat
comments
about
how
accurate
or
useful
these
tests
are,
because
we're
talking
about
ncaa
requirements.
Has
there
been
any
gathering
of
different
universities
who
are
all
affected
by
this?
Who
are
having
to
come
to
the
public
coffers
to
ask?
C
How
do
we
pay
for
this
and
ask
us
for
more
money-
and
I
mean
most
of
these
universities
I
think-
are
public
and
they're
all
being
publicly
funded
and
there's
a
lot
of
money
going
out
to
tests
that
you
just
said
are
three
days
old
by
the
time
they
get
out
there
to
play.
So
I
don't
think
that
accomplishes
anything
because
they
could
have
caught
anything
in
the
three
days
that
transpired
between
the
time
they
tested
the
time
they
played.
C
So
it's
pretty
much
pointless
and
we're
just
wasting
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
and
public
resources
that
there
are
a
multitude
of
needs
for.
Has
there
been
any
efforts
to
get
it
grouped
together
and
sign
onto
a
letter
or
make
a
petition
or
something
say
ncaa?
This
is
not
really
useful
or
working
and
or
we're
doing
fine
without
you
having
this
rule
or
anything
like
that,
to
move
this
needle
to
get
out
of
this
just
terrible
use
of
funds.
D
Our
sports
medicine
directors
meet
monthly
within
our
league.
That's
the
a-sun,
the
ace
our
sports
medicine
directors,
put
recommendations
towards
our
commissioners
and
then
the
commissioners
of
each
conference
are
then
going
back
to
the
ncaa
and
stating
their
position
on
what
needs
to
happen
moving
forward.
So
it's
our
sports
medicine
directors
on
the
front
lines
that
are
honestly
having
very
similar
conversations
that
you're.
Having
is
are
these
tests
truly
pertinent?
A
C
Played
my
vote,
mr
chairman,
okay,
I've
made
my
comments
here
and
I
actually
am
tempted
to
vote.
I
because
of
the
ncaa's
requirements,
and
I
know
that
it's
not
our
fault,
but
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
vote
no,
because
the
ncaa
needs
to
hear
more
people
saying
that
they
need
to
get
it
together.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
A
A
A
A
Description
we
have
on
this,
provide
funds,
evaluate
services
and
develop
and
implement
evaluation
plan
which
aligns
with
the
project
activities
across
all
core
components
of
the
project,
develop
progress
and
progress,
benchmarks,
outcome
measures,
continue,
collection,
analysis,
evaluation,
data
related
to
all
activities
includes
data
on
facilitation,
implementation
process
and
progress
outcomes,
have
bi-weekly
meetings
with
project
staff,
participate
and
facilitate
stakeholder
meetings
across
all
key
components,
provide
ongoing
consultation
regarding
evaluation
findings
and
provide
key
insights
informed
by
the
data.
What
are
we
trying
to
accomplish
here?
O
O
One
is
focused
on
early
learners,
p2
students
and
then
separately
high
school
students
with
disabilities
who
are
about
to
transition
into
post-secondary
life.
We
have
been
funded
through
the
state
set-aside
to
pursue
both
of
those
initiatives
to
provide
direct
district-level
school-level
support
to
both
of
those
groups
of
students
and
also
teachers
and
building
administrators.
O
So
wanting
to
be
good
stewards
of
that
money.
What
we're
doing
is
we're
retaining
the
human
development
institute
at
the
university
of
kentucky
to
essentially
give
us
feedback,
as
we
develop
plans
for
implementation
to
provide
that
kind
of
support.
O
The
plan
that
we've
got
in
place
has
them
providing
that
frequently
being
involved
in
helping
us
establish
metrics.
That
will
tell
us
whether
we're
successful
as
we
roll
out
those
efforts
and
we're
trying
to
get
that
in
place
early.
So
we
can
make
any
course
corrections
that
we
need
to
in
order
to
inform
what
we
do
over
the
life
of
the
funds.
A
A
M
A
D
C
But
we
were
assured
that
it
was.
You
know
one
person,
one
time
and
now
we've
got
four
more
contracts
in
all
of
the
regional
cooperatives
and
I'm
sure
we'll
be
seeing
more
since
they're,
not
all.
Here
this
month.
I'm
wondering
how
many
total
is
in
the
scope
of
this
whole
plan
and
how
are
they
working
together.
P
And
I
can
take
that
robin
if
you
would
like
for
me.
D
P
Well,
first
good
morning
to
members
of
the
government
contract
review
committee-
and
certainly
I
want
to
thank
you
all-
I
thank
the
chairman
for
taking
a
moment
of
silence
in
recognizing
our
students,
staff
and
families
across
the
commonwealth,
especially
those
students
and
staff
and
community
members
who
have
been
impacted
by
the
devastating
storm.
P
Just
as
a
point
of
clarification,
dr
sweeney
is
on
an
mla.
He
shifted
from
being
the
coordinator
of
comprehensive
school
counseling
to
our
director
of
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion.
Again,
I
want
to
thank
the
committee
for
do
for
approving
that.
So
that's
a
memorandum
of
understanding
with
the
school
district's
jefferson
county,
public
school
district.
So
that's
a
fixed
position.
P
The
position
he's
leaving
the
comprehensive
school
counseling
position.
Now
that
is
a
position
that
is
we're
using
extra
money
to
fund
that
position
for
three
years
great
question
regarding
the
eight
so
right
now
we're
going
to
approve
four
and
you're
right.
P
We
will
have
four
more
regional
cooperative
positions,
so
this
is
a
memorandum
of
understanding
with
each
of
our
co-ops,
plus
with
kde's
office
of
special
education,
and
so
with
this
memorandum
of
understanding
between
kde
and
our
coops,
the
contractor
will
provide
a
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
coordinator
at
the
regional
education
cooperatives.
For
three
years,
the
coordinator
will
meet
with
the
school
and
district
leaders
to
offer
proactive
strategies
that
will
help,
assess
and
implement
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
efforts
for
all
students,
and
especially
in
our
regions
that
have
been
hit.
P
We
do
know
the
pandemic
has
really
wreaked
havoc
on
all
of
our
students,
especially
those
students
who
have
unique
learning
disabilities
or
abilities.
I
should
say
I
would
rather
say,
abilities
than
disabilities
and
also
those
students
who
have
come
from
marginalized
groups.
These
regional
coordinators
would
help
in
those
efforts.
In
fact,
we
will
dispatch
them
there
as
well,
and
the
funding
is
for
three
years
awarded
annually,
and
your
million
dollar
question
is
a
very
important
question
that
we're
thinking
about
you
know.
How
do
we
sustain
this?
P
I
can
say
right
now
that
this
is
a.
This
is
a
service.
This
is
something
as
one
of
our
senators,
I
think
was
senator
yates
on
november.
8Th
pointed
out.
This
is
something
we
needed
here
in
the
commonwealth
and
I'll
say
across
america
for
quite
some
time
reaching
each
student,
regardless
of
their
background,
regardless
of
their
race,
their
ethnicity,
language
spoken
at
home
or
their
financial
status.
P
So
the
best
way
to
sustain
this
would
require
us
to
think
how
we're
utilizing
our
funds
here.
How
are
you
utilizing
our
educational
dollars
and
also,
I
can
say
to
you
in
my
year,
plus
with
the
kentucky
department
of
education,
there
are
community
groups,
there
are
partners
who
believe
in
this
work.
There
are
partners
like
the
kentucky
league
or
women
voters.
P
C
I
don't
think
the
last
thing
that
we
just
heard
that
we
might
raise
the
local
tax
rate
is
probably
what
our
constituents
want
to
hear,
and
so
that
adds
more
reasons
why
I'm
very
concerned
about
this.
Mr
chairman,
I
don't
have
any
specific
questions
because
I
feel
like
I
got
most
of
them
answered
last
month,
and
this
is
kind
of
just
an
extension
of
that.
Thank
you.
Senator.
A
I
had
a
question
about
59
and
it's
pretty
much
on
the
same
line
of
question
that
you
have
about
this.
You
know
what
concerns
me
about.
This
is
without
a
doubt.
We
have
to
address
this
issue.
It's
been
long,
long
ignored,
but
in
typical
fashion.
What
we
do
with
state
government
is
create
a
new
bureaucracy
to
deal
with
it
and,
unfortunately,
the
footprint
of
state
government
and
federal
government
never
ever
gets
smaller.
A
So
I
have
no
problem
with
what
we're
intending
to
try
to
accomplish
here.
I
just
don't
see:
adding
additional
administrative
personnel
and
creating
a
new
layer
of
bureaucracy
is
going
to
accomplish
it
because
I
think
we're
going
to
be
successful.
It
has
to
be
at
the
community
level
and
I
think
that
that
responsibility
should
fall
on
the
local
school
boards
and
local
administration
again.
A
Hearing
edicts
from
frankfurt
in
washington
are
not
going
to
resolve
our
problems
and
again
not
to
be
redundant,
but
I
think
we're
going
to
see
a
new
bureaucracy,
that's
going
to
continue
to
grow
and
will
never
go
away.
I
don't
think
it
has
measurable
outcomes
and
short
of
that.
Then
it
just
perpetuates
itself.
So
it's
not
really
a
question.
That's
just
my
concern,
but
senator
yates.
You
have
a
question.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
appreciate
that
I'm
representing
jefferson
county,
obviously
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky,
but
being
very
familiar
with
my
district
in
jefferson
county.
We
face
some
issues
that
some
of
the
people
don't
face
that
are
sitting
on
the
committee
and
I
appreciate
the
concern
but
we're
having
some
major
trouble
and
it
has
not
worked.
E
It
has
not
worked
at
the
local
level
for
generations
now
and
we
have
been
through
whether
it
was
through
the
chamber
if
you
glide
through
different
areas,
looking
at
best
practices
and
we've
failed
to
implement
best
practices,
and
so
we
have
said
what
do
we
do
to
make
things
different?
Our
crime
rate
is
through
the
roof.
We're
having
disconnect
is
reaching
the
students.
When
I
was
a
youth
mentor,
we
were
making
a
very
small
impact
because
we've
channeled
in
there
and
we
know
that
that
works.
E
If
you
work
it,
but
it
doesn't,
if
you
don't
we're,
not
doing
it.
So
when
we've
traveled,
we
said
what
are
best
practices,
what
are
they
doing
outside
and
usually
it
is
having
some
type
of
overhead
making
sure
that
we're
all
on
the
same
page,
and
so
I'm
getting
a
lot
of
calls
going.
E
A
I
agree
senator
yates
and
believe
me,
I
assure
you
that
I
want
exactly
what
you
want
for
for
jefferson,
county
and
metropolitan
louisville.
Again,
it's
just
our
approach
to
this
thing
and
I
guess
it's
just
a
philosophical
difference.
I
shared
with
one
of
our
colleagues
last
session
that
we
all
want
the
same
thing,
but
in
this
particular
center
I
said
you
know,
but
you
want
to
work
within
the
system
and
I
want
to
burn
the
system
down.
A
You've
already
acknowledged
the
system
doesn't
work,
hadn't
worked
for
for
years
and
years
and
years,
and
I
think
what
we're
attempting
to
do
by
creating
these
positions.
Just
a
red
herring
really
not
addressing
the
fundamental
problems
that
cause
this
to
begin
with,
and
if
there's
no
accountability
at
the
at
the
local
level
at
the
community
level,
I
don't
think
we'll
ever
be
successful
so
again,
not
arguing
the
need
for
this
and
the
desire
for
it.
It's
just
approach
to
it.
So
it's
just
philosophical
difference,
but
with
that
are
there
any
questions
comments?
A
A
I
heard
from
senator
yates
as
a
motion
representative
minter
is
the
second
all's
in
favor
of
the
motion.
Vote
aye
all
opposed
vote,
no
clerk.
Please
call
the
row.
A
C
I'm
adopting
all
your
comments
and
using
it
as
my
explanation
for
no
voting.
K
D
A
The
final
items
on
the
agenda
representative
hart
this
is
the
the
last
but
not
least,
okay.
We
have
several
exemption
requests
you've
seen
those.
So
don't
ask
me
to
read
these
to
you.
They
all
are
within
acceptable
guidelines,
all
from
two
from
the
department
of
agriculture
and
one
from
the
board
of
veterinary
examiners,
and
excuse
me,
looking
at
the
next
page.
Energy
environmental
cabinet
has
three
as
well.
A
Aye
motion
carries
before
we
adjourn
just
please
remember.
This
is
our
last
meeting
for
this
calendar
year.
Next
meeting
will
be
when
we're
in
sessions
it'll
have
to
be
upon
adjournment
of
both
chambers
and
scheduled
for
january
11th.
So
please
put
that
on
your
calendar
and
be
prepared
to
to
meet
in
january
with
that.
I
want
to
wish
everyone
a
very
merry
christmas
and
a
happy
new
year
and
just
express
my
appreciation
to
each
one
of
you
for
the
time
and
effort
you
put
in
this.