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A
Good
afternoon
and
welcome
to
the
sixth
meeting
of
the
commission
on
race
and
access
to
opportunity,
we
have
a
robust
agenda
today,
that's
going
to
provide
for
all
of
our
members
the
opportunity
to
do
what
we
refer
to
on
the
agenda
as
discussion
and
wrap
up
of
the
2021
interim.
D
A
We
do
have
indication
that
senator
westerfield
will
be
joining
us
remotely
here
in
a
few
moments
and
it
appears
staff
alerts
me.
We
do
have
a
quorum,
so
it
would
be
appropriate
for
us
to
go
ahead
and
adopt
the
minutes
that
are
in
your
packet.
These
are
the
minutes
of
the
fifth
meeting
meeting
date
of
october
2021
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
for
adoption
of
the
minutes.
A
Here
a
second
second
motioned
and
seconded
all
in
favor
of
adoption
of
the
minute
say:
aye
aye
any
in
opposition
hearing
none
motion
is
approved.
Minutes
are
adopted
from
the
october
2021
october,
20
2021
meeting
first
item
on
our
agenda.
Dr
terry
brooks
doctor
director
executive
leader.
Please
come
on
up
to
the
table.
Mr
terry
brooks
it's
always
a
pleasure
to
have
you
here
representing
kentucky
youth
advocates
and
your
presentation
of
the
kids
count
results.
I
think
you
have
some
people
joining
you.
A
F
I'm
not
good
at
technology.
Thank
you
so
much
senator
gibbons
and
also
chairperson,
heaven.
We
we
appreciate
you
making
this
possible
our
our
hope
today
in
actually,
this
homework
assignment
was
given
to
me
by
senator
gibbons
in
september,
and
he
talked
about
that.
You
all
will
be
receiving
a
kids
count
book
and
what
what
he
challenges
us
to
do
was
think
about
what
the
data
in
that
book
suggested
around
policy
change.
F
F
F
F
F
When
you
look
at
counting
profiles,
you'll
see
that
that
should
be
an
issue
in
all
120
of
our
counties.
The
other
thing
before
we
get
into
policy
that
I
just
want
to
highlight
that
I
find
fascinating.
This
is
not
the
first
time
you've
heard
it
because
senator
you
know
some
of
your
colleagues
frequently
talk
about
this.
F
The
the
most
vulnerable
two
populations
in
kentucky
seemingly
are
so
different.
It
it's
those
young
people
in
the
sixth
poorest
southeast
kentucky
counties
and
kids
of
color
who
live
in
fayette
and
louisville.
Ironically,
the
data
and
the
disparities
for
those
very,
very
seemingly
different
groups
of
young
people
are
identical.
F
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
suggest
three
categories
of
policy
that
I
hope
you
will
look
at
as
a
commission
and
then
both
the
senate
and
house
as
we
go
into
2022.
F
I've
asked
mahek
and
courtney
to
dig
deeply
into
just
one
policy
area
each
to
sort
of
give
you
a
full
brush
of
what
we're
talking
about.
The
first
kind
of
policy
that
I
believe
is
on
the
table
is
what
I
would
call
low
hanging
fruit
and
I'll
give
you
an
example,
and
chairperson
heveren,
you
participated.
I
think,
a
week
ago,
in
one
of
our
forums
along
with
representative
cole
carney
and
a
quote
that
you
gave
us
that
day
is
so
apropos
to
this
particular
typology
of
policy.
F
You
said
you
know:
we've
got
to
be
able
to
have
data
before
you
can
create
good
public
policy
and
sometime
that
includes
putting
that
into
statute
around
collecting
data.
There's
nobody
who
has
been
talking
about
that
premise
longer
than
senator
westerfield,
and
we
really
endorse
the
idea
of
the
general
assembly
thinking
about
what
data
needs
to
be
collected
as
a
state.
We
know
based
upon
ncsl
as
well
as
alec,
that
many
states
have
adopted
a
uniform
data
collection
process.
F
Unless
and
until
we
as
a
commonwealth,
can
count
on
accurate,
timely
and
common
data,
it
has
to
be
tough
for
you
as
legislators,
to
know
what's
true:
what's
not
what's
just
anecdotal
and
what's
backed
by
evidence,
so
an
example
that
we
hope
you
think
about
are
what
opportunities
are
there
that
surely
your
colleagues
share
with
you?
Surely
they
recognize
that
that's
a
piece
of
low-hanging
fruit,
the
the
second
typology
of
policy
that
I'd
like
to
suggest
you
think
about,
is
if
this
commission,
working
with
the
general
assembly,
can
be
a
catalyst.
F
F
F
F
That
is
a
historic
low
and
we
need
to
celebrate
that.
But
underneath
that
story
is
a
different
look,
and
that
is
that
those
young
people
in
those
six
appalachian
counties
and
black
youth
in
jefferson
and
fayette
county
have
a
40
percent
rate
of
childhood
poverty.
F
Statewide
21
those
two
groups
of
young
people
are
almost
double
that
at
40
percent.
The
opportunities
from
unprecedented
federal
funding
are
there
to
be
a
catalyst,
two
ideas
that
that
I
would
ask
you
to
consider
and
they're
they're
duplicative
in
many
ways.
So
I
don't
necessarily
expect
you
to
do
both,
but
we've
been
talking
and
senator
given,
certainly
has
been
part
of
that
for
a
long
time
about
the
impact
of
a
state
level
earned
income
tax
credit.
F
We
know
that
the
business
community
has
analyzed
that
and
on
a
national
basis,
states
that
have
done
that.
That's
a
real
poverty
fighter
for
families.
It
actually
puts
money
back
in
the
local
economy
and,
ironically
bills,
the
state
budget,
a
policy
that
would
dramatically
address
racial
disparities
around
poverty
as
well
as
those
zip
code.
Disparities
is
an
earned
income
tax
credit
or
if
we
were
to
tag
on
to
the
recently
passed
bipartisan
part,
I
might
add,
of
the
federal
relief
package,
the
child
tax
credit.
F
F
The
final
thing
that
I
would
invite
you
to
lead
the
way
in
is
what
I
would
call
boundary
spanning
policy.
There's
a
recent
study
out
of
michigan
state
that
talks
about
state
legislators
generally,
not
just
in
kentucky,
but
nationally
policy,
tends
to
drift
towards
supporting
trends
that
are
dying.
F
A
sta
established
what
they
call
boundary
spanning
as
you
would
guess
that
study
says
that
the
toughest
policies
for
legislators
to
pass
are
the
look-ahead
policies
proverbial
the
canary
in
the
coal
mine
data
points,
and
I
want
to
just
point
out
that
there
are
several
of
those
within
the
kids
count
report
this
year.
The
one
that
jumps
to
my
mind
is
a
distinct
rise
in
out-of-school
suspensions.
F
F
F
Do
you
see
of
coming
trends
and
what
policies
could
we
promulgate
to
mitigate
trend
lines
before
they
become
present,
so
whether
it's
that
low-hanging
fruit
or
being
policy
as
a
catalyst
or
using
policy
to
tackle
boundary
spanning
trends,
we're
counting
on
you
and
we
appreciate
the
the
commitment
and
focus
that
all
of
you
have
been
giving
this
topic
just
going
back
and
and
that's
what
mihack
and
courtney
are
going
to
do?
We
could
not
agree
more
strongly
with
the
two
co-chairs.
F
G
Thank
you,
terry,
and
as
terry
mentioned
today,
we
want
to
highlight
two
solutions
that
we
hope
can
move
you
as
legislative
leaders
and
leaders
in
the
community
from
simply
reading
data
on
the
page
to
truly
transforming
the
future
path
for
each
kentucky.
Kid,
especially
kids
of
color.
The
health
and
well-being
of
children
is
on
top
of
minds
for
families
and
leaders
alike,
as
the
commonwealth
continues
to
address
the
ongoing
impacts
of
the
coven
19
pandemic.
G
Yet
in
kentucky
race
in
place
too
often
impacts
a
child's
health
outcomes
and
their
ability
ability
to
access
health
care.
Kentucky
has
taken
several
steps
in
the
recent
years
to
make
it
easier
for
families
to
enroll,
which
has
led
to
vast
increases
in
the
number
of
children
with
health
insurance
and
kentucky
can
continue
to
promote
a
healthy
life
for
every
child
by
ensuring
parents
have
access
and
children
have
access
to
health
care
that
they
need.
G
As
we
look
ahead
to
the
upcoming
legislative
session,
we
must
prioritize
in
closing
the
remaining
gap
for
health
coverage
for
latin
next
children
by
increasing
budget
investments,
to
conduct
outreach
and
enrollment
within
the
latin
x
population
by
using
culturally
relevant
messages,
trusted
messengers
to
dispel
information
and
to
share
the
importance
of
and
how
to
access
health
insurance
to
stay.
Healthy
kentucky
can
also
promote
culturally
competent
care
by
ensuring,
by
ensuring
patients,
have
access
to
translation,
interpretive
services
in
all
health
care
settings
to
help
families
feel
welcomed,
listen
to
and
engaged
in
their
health
care.
G
G
Lastly,
as
we're
looking
into
long-term
solutions
to
achieve
a
full
potential
for
a
healthy
life
for
every
child,
we
must
guarantee
that
families
of
colors,
as
well
as
rural
kentuckians,
have
sufficient
health
care
providers
in
their
communities
so
that
mess.
That
means
we
must
build
a
pipeline
of
providers
and
also
improve
access
to
those
providers.
G
C
Thank
you,
so
I
just
want
to.
Can
you
all
hear
me?
Okay,
okay,
all
right,
can
you
hear
me
now?
Okay,
so
I
do
want
to
start
just
by
saying
that
there
has
been
a
lot
of
really
good
work.
C
That's
been
done
over
the
years
to
improve
the
juvenile
justice
system
and
how
we
respond
to
young
children
when
they
get
in
trouble,
but
there
are
still
a
lot
of
areas
where
there
are
racial
disparities
that
have
persisted,
and
one
of
those
areas
is
among
young
children,
specifically
those
that
are
12
and
under
and
just
to
kind
of
frame.
This
presentation
for
you
all.
C
If
we
look
at
the
estimated
total
youth
population
for
kids
that
are
ages,
7
to
12,
black
youth,
make
up
11
of
the
population
and
20
of
all
of
the
complaints
that
are
filed,
latinx
make
up
seven
percent
of
the
population
and
five
percent
of
the
complaints,
and
then
white
youth
make
up
80
percent
of
the
population
and
67
percent
of
the
complaints.
And
when
I
say
a
complaint
that
is
just
the
juvenile
equivalent
to
a
police
report
being
filed
against
an
adult
and
children
of
any
age
in
kentucky
can
have
a
complaint.
C
C
That
will
come
from
our
27
that
come
from
school
officials
and
then
there's
smaller
numbers
where
parents
or
the
victim
of
an
alleged
crime
have
themselves
school-related.
Offenses
also
make
up
the
majority
of
the
complaints
that
we
see
at
about
53
percent
and
when
you
break
that
down
by
race
that
accounts
for
38
percent,
of
all
the
complaints
against
black
youth,
51
percent
for
lack
for
latin
ex-youth
and
then
58
percent
for
white
children
and
then
just
to
kind
of
step
back
a
little
bit
further
and
kind
of
look
at
the
charge
levels
as
well.
C
That
we
see
just
among
again
this
7
to
12
age
group.
The
vast
majority
at
about
70
percent
are
for
minor
offenses
or
for
offenses.
That
would
not
be
considered
crimes
for
adults,
so
21
are
for
status,
offenses
and,
as
you
all
know,
status
offenses
are
actions
that
are
only
prohibited
because
the
person
committing
them
is
under
the
age
of
18..
So
the
two
highest
that
we
see
are
truancy
and
then
also
those
out
of
our
beyond
control
position.
C
49
are
for
class
a
or
b
or
misdemeanors,
and
then
22
percent
are
for
the
lowest
class
of
felony,
which
is
a
class
d,
and
there
are
very
very
few
cases
above
that.
Just
thinking
also
anecdotally
about
some
data
that
we've
heard.
As
well
with
this
age
group,
we
we
know
that
kids
7
to
12,
who
are
involved
in
the
juvenile
justice
system,
are
more
likely
to
have
an
iep
or
be
enrolled
in
some
type
of
special
education
in
their
school
they're,
much
more
likely
to
be
involved
in
the
child
welfare
system.
C
We
also
see
that
they're
more
likely
to
have
some
of
those
negative
long-term
consequences
that
can
impact
their
educational
outcomes
as
well
as
their
physical,
behavioral
or
mental
health
outcomes
as
well.
So
again,
I
know
that's
a
lot
of
information
to
throw,
but
that
also
for
us
really
just
highlights
some
of
the
opportunities
that
are
there
for
early
intervention,
and
so
one
of
the
policy
solutions
that
I
wanted
to
share
with
you
all
is
establishing
a
minimum
age
of
jurisdiction
for
children
who
are
at
least
12
years
old
or
younger.
C
C
And
when
you
look
at
data
from
the
past
couple
of
years,
the
youngest
children
were
seven
and
eight
who
had
complaints
filed
against
them.
So
they,
you
know,
we
do
see
very
young
kids
and
again,
we
see
the
racial
disparity
here
as
well.
If
we
look
just
as
an
example
of
jefferson
county
black
youth
make
up
about
29
percent
of
their
youth
population
and
68
percent
of
all
the
complaints
that
are
filed
so
by
establishing
a
minimum
age
that
a
child
can
be
charged
with
an
offense,
especially
status
offenses
and
those
other
lower
level.
C
Misdemeanors
things
that
don't
kind
of
threat
to
public
safety.
They
can
instead
be
referred
to
age-appropriate
community-based
services
and
resources
that
can
actually
assess
what
their
needs
are
and
then
meet.
Those
needs
specifically
and
provide
support
for
their
family
as
well.
If
that's
something
that
they
need
and
then
another
solution
is
just
expanding
or
implementing
some
school-based
interventions
like
restorative
justice.
C
Again,
we
know
that
a
sizable
percentage
of
complaints
come
from
school
school
officials
or
they're
for
school-related
offenses,
so
we're
more
likely
to
see
better
outcomes
for
public
safety
and
for
kids
in
terms
of
completing
high
school,
and
you
know
later
in
their
futures.
If
we
shift
our
understanding
of
appropriate
responses
to
disruptive
behaviors
or
negative
behaviors
in
schools
from
criminal
to
more
proportional
discipline.
And
recent
studies
have
shown
that
restorative
justice
practices
in
schools
can
be
both
proactive
and
responsive.
C
It
can
help
nurture
those
healthy
relationships,
repair
harm,
transform
conflict
and
really
improve
social
interactions
and
the
the
school
climate
more
broadly,
and
it
just
presents
a
unique
opportunity
also
for
young
people
to
take
full
responsibility
for
their
actions
through
these
facilitated
conversations
and
gives
school
staff
additional
tools
to
to
make
sure
that
they're
supporting
kids
and
the
needs
that
they
specifically
have.
So
when
it's
used
effectively,
it's
something
that
can
actually
act
as
a
primary
prevention
and
kind
of
disrupt
this
path,
or
this
pipeline
for
young
kids
to
detention.
F
Thanks
courtney,
to
summarize,
we
would
just
emphasize.
First
of
all,
we
appreciate
your
focus
on
policy.
F
Secondly,
I
think
senator
gibbons
and
I
see
senator
westerfield-
they
probably
more
than
anybody
on
the
committee
know
that
that
we
are
pragmatists.
We
understand
the
load
that
you
all
bear
as
legislators
coming
into
the
session,
but
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
did
not
emphasize
that
that
we
really
do
believe.
F
Those
are
viable
ways
to
begin
again.
We've
learned
through
the
years
from
folks
like
senator
gibbons,
that
that
early
wins
create
long-term
momentum
and
that,
more
than
anything,
is
what
we
hope.
We
can
see
out
of
this
commission
that
the
2022
session
begins
to
act
as
a
catalyst
begins
to
create
momentum
to
address
disparities
through
common
ground,
common
sense
and
common
agenda
items.
We
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
appear
before
you
today.
We
want
to
be
respectful
of
your
time,
but
we
certainly
would
welcome
any
questions
or
conversations.
A
Many
of
us
that
are
familiar
with
the
legislative
process
and
have
been
here
for
a
couple
of
years
and
engaged
in
that
process
are
quite
familiar
with
the
kids
count
book
and
the
quality
of
the
work
that
goes
into
this.
We
have
some
members
of
this
committee
that
may
not
be
familiar
with
this,
because
we
are
not
only
a
bipartisan,
but
we
are
not
solely
limited
to
legislators
here
on
this
committee.
A
B
A
F
F
F
Sure,
thank
you
so
much
for
that
question.
Some
three
decades
ago
ups
began
asking
the
question:
how
are
kids
in
america
faring
and
what
they
heard
were
anecdotes,
opinions
and
stories?
If
you
know
anything
about
ups,
you
know
that
they
are
not
interested
in
data.
They
are
obsessed
by
it.
They
really
want
to
know
how
long
it
takes
that
packaged
car
driver
to
get
from
the
vehicle
to
your
front
porch
and
back
on
the
road.
F
So
they
commissioned
one
of
their
philanthropic
arms,
the
anna
e
casey
foundation,
to
invent
a
report
card
for
america's
kids
and
each
year
the
casey
foundation
located
in
baltimore
partners
with
an
affiliate
in
each
state.
Kya
is
kentucky's,
kids
count
group
and
in
june
a
national
report
is
issued
which
essentially
ranks
states.
So
this
past
year
we
learned
that
kentucky
was
37th.
F
I
know
many
legislators,
depending
on
where
they're
geographically.
F
Sure
the
kids
count
index
report
card
has
four
domains:
health,
economic
well-being,
education
and
family
and
community.
Each
of
those
domains
have
indicators
and
so
that
ranking
composite
ranking
is
really
just
adding
up
where
every
state
fared
on
all
of
those,
and
we
came
out
37th
this
year.
What
we
tend
to
do
with
that
is
not
that
we're
not
interested
in
connecticut
and
oregon,
but
I'm
interested
in
tennessee
and
indiana
and
ohio
and
west
virginia.
F
So
that's
how
we
look
at
that,
then,
as
as
senator
gibbons
just
noted,
each
fall
late
fall.
This
just
happened,
I
think
last
wednesday,
when
representative
cole,
carney
and
representative,
everyone
were
on
our
forum.
We
release
a
county
level
book
and
we
take
that
national
kids
count
data,
multiply
it
many
fold,
and
we
do
one
other
thing
that
that
we
think
is
so
important.
We
disaggregate
every
data
point
by
county,
so
it's
not
just
a
state.
Look,
it's
a
county
look
and
for
legislators
or
folks
watching
online.
F
F
E
Thank
you
co-chair.
I
have
a
question
about
the
access
to
health
care.
I
was
kind
of
flipping
through
while
you
were
talking,
it
said
that
90
of
kentucky
children
are
covered
with
health
care,
but
I
wonder,
we've
had
a
lot
of
conversations
about
the
cliff
effect
and
I
wonder
if,
if
our
direction
should
be
more
focused
on
kids
that
are
kind
of
affected
by
the
cliff,
so
they
might
their
parents
might
not
qualify
for
medicare
and
medicaid.
E
Unless
I
told
chairman
givens,
I
was
like
I'm
still
learning
this
insurance
stuff
myself,
but
so
with
medi
with
medicaid.
Do
you
think
that's
kind
of
where
we
should
focus
at
certainly.
G
There
we
go
I'll,
get
a
hang
of
it.
Thank
you
for
that
question,
representative
hevron.
Certainly,
I
mean
I
think
we
need
to
certainly
close
the
gap
for
as
many
kids
as
we
possibly
can,
whether
it's
our
latinx
children
or
it's
that
remaining
four
percent,
we're
at
96
percent
of
kids,
are
getting
covered
and
those
families
that
are
that
are
on
that
cusp
of
that
cliff
effect.
E
G
E
So
I
had
a-
and
this
is
also
kind
of
like
a
a
question
for
chfs,
but
I
think
one
of
the
things
and
being
able
to
provide
access
to
health
care
is
having
the
for
the
person
that's
working
to
get
the
the
insurance
is
to
actually
understand
the
process
of
it
and
from
my
understanding
with
the
administration
moving
to
connect,
it's
very
difficult:
it's
not
user
friendly.
E
They
don't
necessarily
provide
all
the
information
on
there
that
the
person
might
need,
and
so
I
think
that
might
be
a
step
forward.
That's
not
necessarily
statutorily,
but
I
think
that's
as
we're
having
conversations
about
these
things.
I
think
it's
something
that
we
make
sure
to
include
is
you
know.
Insurance
is
hard
enough
to
understand,
no
matter
what
your
education
level
is,
and
I
think
wanting
to
make
sure
that
we
provide
that
for
people
in
kentucky
to
provide
that
knowledge.
E
Something
else
I
wanted
to
touch
on.
Dr
brooks
is
you
had
mentioned.
I
got
lots
of
little
notes
here
for
the
childhood
poverty,
the
state
level
earned
income,
tax,
credit
and
child
tax
credit
for
kentuckians.
Yes,.
F
E
And
one
of
my
concerns
on
that
is
just
financial
empowerment,
and
I
think
you
know
for
those
of
you
who
know
my
background.
I
helped
establish
the
financial
empowerment
commission,
along
with
dr
ojoleco,
and
we
were
both
at
treasury
and
I
think
that
there's
an
important
part
of
that
is
if
that
work.
E
You
know,
because,
just
if
we
throw
money
or
give
money
at
an
issue
that
doesn't
always
solve
it
and
really
being
able
to
make
sure
that
the
people
who
are
getting
the
funds
were
able
to
help
them
with
budgeting
and
financial
constraints
and
making
sure
you
know,
I
mean
just
basic
level
things
that
they
might
not
be
learning,
because
that's
not
that's
no
longer
something.
We
learn
at
home.
F
The
great
point,
the
one
thing
if
I
can
go
back
just
real
quickly,
just
to
remind
you.
E
F
On
the
health
front
and
mahek
alluded
to
this,
one
of
the
things
that
we're
so
aware
of
is
that,
whether
it's
supporting
latinx
families
with
better
access,
whether
it's
providing
schools
with
school-based
health
services,
we
have
the
potential.
I
just
want
to
reiterate.
We
have
the
potential
for
a
three
to
one
federal
match.
I
mean
whether
that
means
that
the
superintendent
in
your
home
county
for
every
school
nurse
he
or
she
hires.
F
F
Actually,
I
think
that,
for
instance,
the
earned
income
tax
credit.
That
is
why
that
has
such
an
appeal.
It
should
not
be
lost
on
us
that
the
biggest
supporters
of
the
earned
income
tax
credit,
the
first
person
who
strongly
supported
it
was
ronald
reagan.
The
last
person
was
barack
obama
and
in
between
were
both
bush's
and
bill
clinton.
F
So
if
you've
got
a
tax
policy
that
has
vigorous
support
from
those
five
presidents
that
suggests
that
it's
a
real
common
ground,
what
we've
learned
both
state
and
nationally,
we
partnered
with
the
brookings
institute
to
do
a
study
in
kentucky
called
the
high
price
of
being
poor
kentucky
families
who
receive
an
earned
income
tax
credit.
So
it's
really
families
with
jobs
and
they
get
to
keep
more
of
their
money.
That's
really
what
it
is.
It's
not
a
government
check.
F
F
Instead,
what
they
do
is
they
get
their
car
fixed
at
the
local
garage
they
buy
their
kids
clothes
at
the
local
store.
They
get
the
appliance
at
the
the
local
appliance
store.
So
it
is
very
much
that
notion
of
helping
to
make
ends
meet.
So
it's
a
great
question
because
eitc
is
not
one
of
those
tax
measures.
F
Where
quote
the
government
is
giving
you
money,
the
government
is
allowing
you
to
keep
more
of
the
money
that
you've
earned
and-
and
we
feel
like
that
is
definitely
within
that
realm
of
letting
folks
be
responsible,
accountability
that
empowerment
to
shape
their
own
kitchen
table
economics.
E
Thank
you
for
that
synopsis
of
that,
though
you
know
I
just
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
provide
these
resources
to
these
people,
because
I
do
think
you
know
having
focused
on
financial
education.
D
F
E
It's
the
okay,
they
get
the
extra
money.
Are
these
families
equipped
to
know?
You
know
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time
at
our
local
food
pantry
and
that's
a
big
conversation
there.
I
mentioned
that
on
the
call
last
week
you
know
is
setting
budgets
and
talking
about
that,
what
can
we
afford?
What
can
we
not?
Are
we
getting
the
best?
You
know
bang
for
our
buck
and
I
just
think
that's
a
that's
an
overarching
thing
with
poverty
across
kentucky
and
honestly
I
mean
it's
something
we
talk
about
as
legislator.
E
F
It's
also
a
great
example,
and
so
many
of
y'all
are
so
good
at
this
that
that
we
know
kids
don't
operate
in
silos.
So
again,
given
my
biography,
one
of
the
things
I
would
immediately
respond
to
is
is
your
conversation
that
we're
having
right
now,
like,
I
wonder
the
implications
for
the
education
committees,
because
there
was
a
day
where
kentucky
kids
had
financial
literacy
instruction
before
they
graduated.
F
Our
work
with
young
people
aging
out
of
of
child
welfare
system
is
stunning
that,
as
kids
age
out
to
independent
living,
many
of
those
children,
as
you
know,
they
don't
know
how
to
set
up
a
bank
account
they've,
never
written
a
check
when
they
get
that
first
job.
They
don't
know
what
to
do
with
it.
So
you
know
I
couldn't
endorse
that
notion
of
a
of
a
full
court
press
around
financial
literacy
any
stronger.
I
think
that's
a
really
important
point
that
you're
making.
E
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I've
got
three
quick
questions.
I'll
try
to
be
as
brief
as
possible.
The
first
one
is
about
poverty
and
kind
of
continuing
the
discussion
that
we
just
had
for
the
presentation
in
terms
of
the
numbers
of
families
in
poverty,
children
in
poverty,
children
within
low-income
families.
D
How
is
income
defined
and
does
it
include
government
transfer
payments
and
just
for
listeners
who
may
not
be
familiar
with
that
is
generally
a
government
transfer,
transfer
or
government
payment
is
money
that
comes
to
you
through
the
government,
where
there's
no
direct,
good
or
service
that
you
are
doing
in
terms
of
procuring
that
earned
income
tax
credit
would
be
an
example
of
a
government
transfer
payment.
Is
that
included
in
your
definition
of
income.
F
I
learned
a
long
time
ago
when
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
tell
you
that
and
say
I
will
get
back
with
you,
so
I
don't
want
to
misrepresent
what
that
is.
We
can
get
the
chairs
and
answer
on
that
in
an
asap
fashion.
D
Great
and
the
reason
again
why
I
asked
that,
depending
on,
if
those
definitions
have
changed
over
time,
I
think
it
is
really
important
for
us
to
understand
what
that
20
percent
generally
speaking
21
or
that
40
plus
percent,
either
in
lexington
and
louisville,
for
black
students
in
kids
or,
of
course,
those
six
counties
for
rural
kids.
I
think
we
need
to
know
what
that
means,
because
if
it,
if
it
does
include
government
transfers,
then
if
you
take
those
away,
that
number
is
actually
probably
higher.
So
that's.
D
For
us
to
understand
now
on
education
and
justice
that
the
combination
of
those
two
I'll
turn
over
here
to
you
too,
ladies,
have
have
you
all
done
an
analysis
on
potentially
potential
overlaps
between
the
complaints
filed
against
kids,
those
students
and
the
socioeconomic
background
of
those
students.
F
Yeah
and
I
think
the
issue-
it's
a
great
great
question-
it
relates
back
to
that
common
data
collection
that
I'm
going
to
give
co-chair
everyone.
Credit
for
reminding
us
of
that
becomes,
I
think,
a
locus
decision
from
a
district
to
district
basis.
F
F
My
hunch
is
that
neither
we
nor
kde
can
answer
that
because
I
think
the
variability
it's
a
great
reason
to
think
about
what
questions
would
we
like
answered
for
all
kinds
of
issues
and
therefore,
what
data
needs
to
be
collected.
D
And
again,
I
think
that's
so
important
because,
as
we
look
at
those
different
counties
again
the
rural
counties
in
particular,
and
black
students
in
the
urban
counties,
if
we
know
that
the
overall
challenge
in
terms
of
poverty
is
the
same,
if
we're
able
to
break
that
down
and
and
say
well,
if
you
look
at
by
race
and
by
poverty,
the
high
complaints
typically
come
from
students
who
have
again
an
interaction
with
those
two
areas.
Maybe
it
does
maybe
it
doesn't.
D
But
if
we
know
that,
then
we
know
that
the
the
solution
is
likely
to
be
more
income
related
and
again,
if
it
is
something
with
truancy
or
transportation,
if
it
has
to
deal,
kids
are
acting
out
again,
could
maybe
because
they're
hungry,
as
we
know,
happens
from
time
to
time
with
low
income.
Kids,
if
there
isn't
food
in
the
house,
those
are
different
type
of
solutions.
The
last
question
that
I'll
ask
relates
to
the
the
policy
suggestion
in
terms
of
a
minimum
age
in
which
students
would
interact
with
the
juvenile
justice
system.
D
The
suggested
age
was
12,
so
if
you're
not
yet
a
teenager,
it
might
be
a
provocative
question.
But
is
this
really
a
cultural
question
in
the
sense
of?
Are
we
saying
how
do
we
view
kids?
Do
we
look
at
kids,
12
and
under
as
having
the
capability
to
be
able
to
make
good
decisions
with
regard
to
their
emotional
state,
particularly
students
or
kids,
who
may
have
experienced
multiple
areas
of
trauma?
This
is
something
my
wife
and
I
think
about.
We
have
an
18
month
old
at
home,
so
we
think
about
how.
D
How
will
we
teach
her
to
deal
with
something
if
she
doesn't
get
her
way
and
if
again,
if
you're,
a
parent
and
you're,
not
in
a
capacity
to
do
that?
For
whatever
reason
again
you
you
work
a
different
shift,
you
don't
get
to
spend
as
much
time
at
home
or
there's
trauma
in
the
home
or
kids.
See.
Parents
react
a
certain
way,
so
then
they
go
into
school
thinking.
This
is
how
you
handle
problems.
D
Is
it
a
cultural
issue
and
again
I
don't
raise
that
question
to
be
so
provocative
to
say
we
should
do
one
thing
or
the
other,
but
if
we
know
kids
or
we
suspect,
kids
who
fall
into
this
capacity
of
maybe
hitting
before
they
talk
through
an
issue,
if
we
know
that
they're
not
getting
that
type
of
resource
at
home,
does
it
then
become
incumbent
upon
the
school
district
to
provide
that
resource?
I
don't
know,
but
I
wonder,
have
we
thought
about
these
types
of
questions
from
a
cultural
standpoint.
F
D
F
The
great
question
again,
the
you
know,
the
real
expert
about
this
issue
is
the
chair
of
the
senate
judiciary
committee,
who
I
see
smiling,
and
he
could
probably
eliminate
that
more
than
anyone
what
what
what
our
proposal
reflects.
I
think
again,
I
if
somebody
on
screen
wants
to
correct
me
that
person
is
welcome
to
do
it
was
really
a
measured
compromise.
F
We
frankly
took
ncsl
and
alec
language
very
similar
in
terms
of
age
exemptions.
I
think
that
the
best
practice
nationally,
you
know
and
and
I
think
it's
tough
to
implement,
but
the
best
practice
really
is
built
on
individual
assessment.
We
know
that
there
are
certain
eight-year-olds
who
frankly,
are
accountable,
and
we
know
that
there
are
some
14
year
olds
for
all
kinds
of
reasons.
That
may
not
be
so
in
terms
of
from
an
academic
perspective.
F
If
we
could
assess
every
kid
that
is
ideal,
just
very
candidly,
what
we
tried
to
do
was
strike
a
happy
medium
in
terms
of
a
chronological
age
that
is
not,
in
my
opinion,
the
best,
but
it's
good.
So
you
know
it's
that
good
is
not
the
enemy
of
of
perfect
again.
There's
there's
somebody
who
knows
a
lot
more
than
I
do
about
that.
So
I
don't
know
if
other
members
are
supposed
to
speak,
but
that's
that's
certainly
what
we've
been
working
on.
F
I
would
just
emphasize
that
just
last
year
radically
liberal
states
like
tennessee
and
texas,
passed
these
kind
of
laws,
so
we're
talking
about
we're
not
talking
about
lack
of
accountability,
we're
talking
about
what's
good
for
kids
and
good
for
public
safety.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
E
Thank
you,
I'm
actually
going
to
go
ahead
and
kick
over
to
senator
westerfield
since
he's
been
pretty
active
and
smiling
on
the
camera.
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
really
can't
say
any
better
than
than
what
terry
just
said:
I've
toyed
with
and
I've
had
draft
language
of
legislation,
that's
drawn
the
line
arbitrarily
I'll
freely
admit
at
10
or
12,
or
some
other
number
and
there's
no
science.
H
That
says
that
at
this
magic
age
that
suddenly
you've
got
some
better
understanding.
You
can
go
find
that
I
guess,
but
I
wouldn't
rely
on
anything
you'd
go
out
and
find
there's,
probably
somebody
on
the
internet
somewhere.
That
has
got
some
study.
They
think
is
worth
trus
worth
trusting
in,
but
no
one
with
any
sense
is
gonna
pay
attention
to
that.
What
terry
just
said
is
right:
we've
got
to
assess
each
child.
H
There
are
young
children
who,
under
those
circumstances
with
the
offense
that
you're
talking
about
under
the
circumstances,
unique
to
that
child
and
that
child's
development
and
that
child's
environment
should
have
an
understanding
or
should
have
had
an
understanding
and
you're
going
to
find
older
kids.
That,
because
of
those
same
factors
wouldn't
have
the
understanding
we
have
brain
science
and
when
I
was
a
brainy
legislator,
I
thought
this
was
baloney
and
I
thought
this
is
some
crazy,
liberal
nonsense
that
was
being
spread
about
brain
science
and
adolescent
brain
development.
H
But
I've
heard
dr
elizabeth
kaufman
with
university
of
california
multiple
times
give
not
a
partisan
speech
or
remarks
from
the
left
or
from
the
right,
but
with
scans
of
the
actual
brains
of
the
children
and
the
young
people.
She's
worked
with
and
studied
that
show.
The
brain
is
not
fully
developed
until
you're
25.
H
H
What
we
should
be
talking
about
is
making
sure
that
accountability
is
tailored
to
fit
that
youth
and
for
the
circumstances
involving
that
youth
and
their
development.
What
they
understand,
what
they
should
have
understood
and
what
kind
of
risk
and
consequence
they
appreciate
and
or
could
have
appreciated.
H
If
you
draw
the
line
as
a
practical
matter,
if
you
draw
the
line
at
12,
10
or
12
you're
talking
about
single
digits
of
cases
statewide
every
year,
I
think
that's
right,
terry
as
ladies,
you
correct
me
if
that
number,
if,
if
I'm
off
in
that
estimate,
but
it's
a
it's
a
really
small
number
of
cases
and
obviously
for
those
kids,
it's
a
big
deal
for
the
victims.
H
In
those
cases
it's
a
huge
deal,
but
we're
also
not
talking
about
enormous
numbers
of
people,
even
if
you
draw
the
line
as
high
as
13.,
but
the
point
is
not
about
where
you
draw
the
line.
The
point
is
how
you
respond
to
the
behavior
and
it's
important
to
make
sure
that
the
kid,
regardless
of
their
age,
has
accountability
and
has
consequences
that
are
appropriate
for
their
age
and
for
their
conduct
and
for
their
ability
to
appreciate
the
risk
of
their
own
actions.
H
I
Thank
you,
chairperson
hevron
chairwoman.
Thank
you
all
for
presenting
this
is
amazing.
Compilation
of
data
and-
and
I
echo
senator
gibbons
chairman
givens
comments
that,
if
anyone's
not
familiar
with
it,
they
really
do
need
to
go
and
look
at
this
kids
count
book.
I
had
a
specific
question.
I
think
courtney
you
had
spoken
about
preventative
measures,
restorative
justice,
alternatives
to
incarceration
and
kind
of
getting
to
these
kids
before
they.
They
touched
the
juvenile
justice
system.
I
C
Yeah,
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we've
seen
is
that
it,
I
think
the
gaps
are
like
county
by
county,
so
there
are
definitely
places
like
jefferson
county
that
feel
like
they're,
very
resource
rich,
and
then
there
are
some
other
areas
that
maybe
aren't
so
much.
C
I
think,
even
if
you
look
at
counties
that
have
you
know
a
lot
of
resources
available,
sometimes
it's
the
the
barriers
or
the
gaps
are
in
them
being
accessible,
so
kind
of
like
dr
olaka
was
saying
earlier.
You
know
if
you
have
a
parent
who
maybe
isn't
able
to
take
time
off,
of
work
to
transport
their
child
to
a
specific
appointment
somewhere.
C
C
You
know,
there's
a
committee
out
there
and
we've
been
working
to
try
to
identify
all
of
these
different
resources
and
people
who
would
be
willing
to
work
with
kids
who
either
have
already
been
involved
in
the
justice
system
or
who
are
at
risk
of
being
involved
at
the
justice
system
and
making
sure
that,
like
the
court
designated
workers
or
law
enforcement
or
anyone
else
who
may
interact
with
the
child
are
aware
of
these
resources.
So
that
then,
maybe
they
can
do
the
warm
hand-off.
C
F
Circling
back
schools
have
enormous
drawdown
power
to
bring
even
in
the
most
remote
school
districts,
and
we've
been
working
with
kentucky
association,
school
superintendents
and
they're.
All
over
this,
where
folks,
who
need
sort
of
frisky,
2.0
frisky
on
steroids
with
behavioral
and
mental
health,
supports
again,
there
are
genuine
financial
resources
available.
F
The
idea
of
making
that
maybe
a
school-centric
support,
especially
in
more
rural
areas.
We
think,
could
be
a
real
lever
to
provide
those
services.
I
Thank
you
and
a
quick
follow-up.
If
I
may-
and
I
I
would
be
very
interested
in
in
following
up
about
that,
because
even
in
jefferson,
county.
I
Juvenile
justice
pathways
for
these
kids,
who
leading
to
my
second
question,
you
know
all
of
the
kids
represented
in
this
in
these
data
points,
come
to
school
with
a
host
of
issues,
family
issues-
and
I
know
I'm
working
specifically
to
try
to
get
mental
health
care
expanded
for
our
refugee
population
in
louisville,
because
refugees
come
to
the
us
with
an
inherent
sort
of
set
of
of
traumatic
experiences,
and
we
talk
about
those
but
not
necessarily
what
their
kids
have
gone
through,
who
are
also
entering
the
school
system
and
then
also
first
generation,
because
that
never
really
goes
away.
I
We
just
sort
of
expect
folks
to
get
up
on
their
feet
in
a
few
months
and
then
just
figure
it
out,
and
you
know
any
any
underlying
trauma,
but
getting
back
to
the
economic
security
piece
of
it,
I'm
specifically
interested
in
the
housing,
so
rental
versus
home
ownership
issue,
especially
within
the
context
of
the
rate
of
evictions
that
we've
seen
or
at
least
we've
seen
in
jefferson
county
this
past
year
year
and
a
half
and
and
what
that
impact
has
been
on
these
kids
in
terms
of
of,
for
instance,
mental
health.
I
That
would
lead
them
to
get
these
complaints,
or
you
know
if
there's
anything,
you've
seen
that
you
can
speak
to
with
regard
to
that.
C
There
isn't
anything
yeah
there
isn't
anything
that
I've
seen.
I
mean
that's
something
that
we
can
look
into,
though,
and
circle
back
with
you.
F
Yeah,
I
think
the
data
is
one
of
those
like
one
year
gap,
kind
of
a
thing
so
for
us
to,
I
assume
what
you're
you're
asking
is
because
of
the
pandemic
because
of
the
economic
crisis,
what
level
of
homelessness
or
couch
surfing
again,
I
think
the
accurate
answer
is
that
we
may
have
to
wait
another
six
months
to
get
truly
accurate
data.
Anecdotally.
F
We,
I
think
we
all
probably
would
agree
where
that's
going,
but
I
think
the
reason
we
don't
have
an
answer
is
that
answer
is
not
there
quite
yet.
E
Thank
you.
Erwin
roberts.
J
Thank
you,
coacher
heverin.
I
really
appreciate
all
the
data.
That's
in
this
kids
account.
I
mean
it's
just
a
lot
of
good
information
and,
of
course,
I
think
data
is
always
very
important
to
work
from,
and
so
my
question
kind
of
my
first
question
kind
of
centers
around
data
in
the
area
of
the
juvenile
justice
complaints
and
the
disparities
that
are
there
is
the
data
such
that
you
can
drill
down
and
see.
For
example,
is
there
a
particular?
F
J
Department,
so
that
resources
can
be
focused
in
those
areas,
it
is
yes,
sir,
okay,
great
and
then
shifting
over
to
the
health
access
area.
It
sounds.
There's
definitely
been
a
lot
being
done
on
the
access
side
for
whether
it's
medicaid
or
access
for
for
children
to
get
health
care.
J
D
J
G
I
can't
speak
for
the
hospital
association
or
particular
providers,
but
I
I
know
that
it's
important.
We
know
we
know
we
need
access
to
coverage
because
that's
the
first
step
in
getting
that
care
that
they
need,
whether
you're
children
you're
a
child
or,
if
you're,
an
adult,
but
certainly
you
know,
I
think
it's
it's
there's
efforts
that
need
to
be.
We
all
need
to
be
working
together.
G
F
I
think
I
know
it's
easy
to
be
beat
them
up.
A
shout
out
needs
to
go
to
mcos
on
that
front.
A
couple
years
ago
we
got
to
partner
with
mcos
on
the
issue
of
vaping,
and
what
we
learned
was
the
most
effective
way
to
curb.
Vaping
was
peer-to-peer
messaging,
so
we
did
a
public
information
campaign.
Young
people
talking
about
it
right
now
we're
hoping
relatively
soon
that
we're
going
to
launch,
with
with
collaboration
with
mcos
a
youth
voice
campaign
around
vaccination.
F
So
we
know
currently
there's
a
real
gap
in
that
arena.
Lots
of
folks
have
tried
to
communicate,
who
have
not
been
used
to
communicate
with
young
people
are
young
people,
and
we
have
found
that
peer-to-peer
communication
really
powerful.
So
I
do
just
want
to
say
that
that
that's
an
arena
where
I
think
mcos
are
collaborating
and
understand
those
gaps
in
care
have
to
be
addressed.
E
H
Whatever
you
say,
madam
chair,
I
thank
you
whitney.
Thank
you.
I
wanted
to.
I
wanted
to
comment
representative
carney
said
something
that
jog
my
memory
a
few
weeks
ago
had
a
chance
to
go
to
a.
There
was
a
cross-disciplinary
event
between
the
national
conference
of
state
judges
and
the
national
council
of
state
legislatures
ncsl
and
ncs
ncsc,
and
it
was
about
young
adult
populations,
so
the
18
to
25
group.
H
With
members
of
this
committee
and
certainly
representative
carney
among
you,
I
asked
for
various
agencies
of
state
government
to
give
us
an
inventory
of
the
programs.
We
have
one
of
the
things
that
we
thought
we
we
could
start
what
start
with
was
to
identify
what
programs
we
have
exactly
where
their
service
footprint
was
because
I'm
I
deal
with
this
sort
of
policy
work
all
the
time,
but
I
don't
know
what
I'm
familiar
with
some
of
the
more
high
profile
services.
Jefferson
county,
I'm
certainly
familiar
with
them
in
christian.
H
In
my
penny,
rail
and
baron
river
area,
but
outside
of
that
I
have
no
idea
what's
going
on
in
other
parts
of
the
state,
and
I
think
it'd
be
helpful
to
have
that.
So
as
soon
as
I
have
it,
I
thought
your
your
suggestion
is
right
on
the
nose.
So
as
soon
as
I
have
those
reports
back
from
the
various
state
agencies,
I'm
happy
to
share
that
and
and
broadcast
that
to
folks,
because
I
think
it's
it's
something
our
judges
need
to
know.
H
E
You
know
we've
got
to
have
some
type
of
fun
around
here,
whitney
it's
a
very
dark
time
as
we
prepare
for
session.
So
thanks
for
letting
us
have
a
laugh.
Thank
you
very
much
for
those
comments.
Senator
westerfeld,
I
know
you've
been
a
huge
advocate
on
that
and
your
comments
are
greatly
appreciated
and
I'm
going
to
let
it
wrap
up.
I
don't
see
any
other
online
members
wanting
to
speak,
so
I
will
let
co-chair
givens
wrap
up
on
this.
A
Coaching
heaven
thank
you
and,
and
again
a
wonderful
conversation,
great
questions,
great
dialogue,
I'm
going
gonna
end
with
a
couple
of
thoughts
and
then
a
question
for
for
us
to
think
about
and
terry.
You
may
want
to
speak
to
the
question.
First
of
all,
a
shout
out,
thank
you
for
the
work
you
do
and
specifically
for
the
shout
out
you've
given
us
as
a
commission
for
for
our
members
that
do
have
a
printed
copy
on
page
five,
terry.
A
B
A
Going
to
follow
mr
robert's
directive
that
we
we
drill
down,
we
dig
a
little
we
twist
and
and
put
some
pressure
in
some
places,
and
I
want
to
go
back
to
the
conversation
around
the
age,
12,
suspension,
question,
conversation,
sort
of
thing
you
and
I
have
had
lots
of
conversations
over
the
years
about
lots
of
policy
and
I've
come
away
from
every
one
of
those
benefited
in
some
fashion
and
one
of
those
we
we
wrestled
with
for
a
couple
of
years
and
and
was
intrigued
that
again
it's
it's
one
of
those
I
feel
differently
and
members
are
going
to
misconstrue
what
I
say
and
I
don't
intend
for
that
to
happen.
A
We
had
a
long,
robust
conversation
some
years
ago
about
corporal
punishment
ban
it
senator
gibbons,
let's
ban
it,
let's
absolutely
ban
it
and
I
wasn't
strongly
opposed
to
banning
it.
But
my
my
conversation
with
you
was
around
the
question
of
how
many
counties
are
still
doing
it.
What's
the
culture
in
that
county?
A
Is
this
a
flag
that
you're
wanting
to
say,
let's
just
prevent
people
from
waving
the
flag,
and
so
my
pushback
was
along
those
lines
and
so
on
this
conversation
about
education
and
as
it
relates
to
the
discussion
about
suspensions,
I
had
those
pages
marked
in
the
book,
because
I
had
a
very
specific
here.
We
go
I'm
around
page
33,
30
32
33..
A
F
I
don't
think
it's
unfair
to
believe
that
an
act
that
was
that
landmark
and
profound
has
not
trickled
to
all
172
districts
yet,
but
when
you
you
get
at
least
my
understanding
is
when
we
get
underneath
the
excellent
work
that
the
late
representative,
carney
and
senator
wise
did
on
that
they
were
about
building
supports
for
a
culture
of
resiliency
in
schools
as
a
as
a
principal.
F
F
I
would
love,
for
instance,
I
think,
there's
a
interesting
middle
ground
between
state
mandates
and
local
control,
that
if,
for
instance,
there
were
categorical
budget
items
around
resiliency
not
mandated,
but
but
if
you
were
going
to
spend
that
money,
it
was
going
to
be
on
this
range
of
options,
knowing
that
all
those
superintendents
and
I
hate
to
beat
beat
this
drum
again.
But
to
me
it's
so
powerful,
knowing
that
for
every
dollar
you
all
allocate
for
resiliency,
they
can
get
three
more.
F
I
think
that
those
kind
of
resources,
whether
that's
school,
social
workers
or
school
therapists,
as
I
mentioned
the
potential
to
expand
the
good
work
of
friskies,
is,
is
there
so
I
actually
think
that
that
is
a
that
canarian
the
coal
mine.
I
would
love
for
those
red
xs
to
be
stimulations,
with
all
due
respect
for
the
general
assembly
to
continue
that
good
work.
I
think
that
whether
it's
been
juvenile
justice
or
child
welfare,
you
all
have
built
a
a
good
track
record
that
you
start
with
landmark
work
and
keep
building
on
it.
F
A
A
The
goal,
if
we
have
green
checks,
some
districts
are
doing
better
they're
suspending
fewer
students
what's
going
on
in
the
good
districts,
that's
not
going
on
in
the
others.
So
again,
thank
you
all
very
much
for
the
work
you
do
we're
going
to
spend
the
last
45
minutes
or
or
less
wrapping
up
a
great
year.
You're
welcome
to
stay
with
us
and
listen
again.
We
appreciate
your
dedication
and
your
work,
and
this.
F
A
All
right
members,
we
have
purposely
scheduled
a
period
of
a
few
moments
before
we
end
this.
The
last
meeting
of
our
first
interim
together,
we've
purposely
scheduled
a
few
moments
for
us
to
have
a
dialogue
about.
What's
worked.
What's
not
what
we
hope
to
see
coming
at
us
as
we
as
we
start
the
early
groundwork
for
the
interim
of
next
year
and
and
I'll
start
with
some
thoughts
on
that
as
I've
had
some
some
of
our
staff
put
together
a
number
of.
A
Names
of
groups
and
individuals
that
have
sought
the
chance
to
be
presenters
and
we
simply
ran
out
of
time.
I
have
to
say,
co-chair
heaven.
One
of
the
things
that
that
I
found
most
interesting
was
the
number
of
people
that
were
anxious
to
come
and
and
present
before
the
committee
a
chance
for
them
to
be
at
the
table.
A
As
this
group
kya
just
was,
and
others
the
chance
to
to
use
this
commission
very
appropriately,
so
as
a
platform
and
a
voice
for
the
cause
that
they're
advocating
for
and
so
we
currently
are
carrying
forward
three
presenters
and-
and
I
feel
confident
we'll
have
groups
that
have
presented
that
wish
to
come
back.
I
think
one
of
the
things
I
would
encourage.
All
of
us
that
are
members
of
the
commission
to
be
is
be
ambassadors,
be
ambassadors
to
groups
be
ambassadors
to
entities.
A
If
you
encounter
someone
who
you
think
may
have
a
presentation,
that's
worthy
encourage
them
to
reach
out
to
committee
staff,
we're
going
to
work
on
putting
together
a
list
of
presenters
between
now
and
the
first
of
may,
and
we
will
certainly
start
scheduling
folks
early
in
the
interim
for
purposes
of
coming
in
and
presenting
their
their
conversation
points
co-chair
any
thoughts
on
that
that
you
wish
to
add.
Before
I
move
on.
E
Just
to
kind
of
follow
up
with
that,
I
think
you
know
you
don't
have
to
be
a
member
of
this
committee
to
request
a
speaker
or
if
you
have
any
suggestions,
I
believe
that
co-chair
givens
and
I've
both
had
meetings
with
a
few
house
members
within
the
last
week
asking
you
know
just
kind
of
giving
some
ideas
and
saying
hey.
I
think
this
would
be
a
really
good
group
to
put
in
front
of
you
all
if
you
all
would
consider
it
and
here's
why?
E
So,
if
you
are
a
you
know,
if
you're
a
legislator,
senator
or
representative,
please
feel
free
to
email,
us
or
members
of
this
committee
or
advocates.
Please
shoot
us
an
email
and
let
us
know
your
interest
but
a
reminder.
When
we
do
have
groups
come
to
speak.
We
don't
want
to
just
hear
complaints.
We
want
to
also
have
solutions.
I
think
that
the
advocacy
groups
have
a
unique
perspective,
so
make
sure
to
come
up
with
solutions
to
of
what
could
actually
be
some
policy
for
this
commission.
A
All
right,
I'm
going
to
read
again
very
briefly,
the
the
one
sentence
charge
found
in
the
legislation
of
senate
bill
10
specific
to
the
purpose
that
we're
here
for
the
purpose
of
the
commission
shall
be
to
conduct
studies
and
research
on
issues
where
disparities
may
exist
across
the
sectors
of
educational
equity,
child
welfare,
health,
economic
opportunity,
jewel
of
justice,
juvenile
justice,
criminal
justice
and
any
other
sectors
that
are
deemed
irrelevant
in
an
effort
to
identify
areas
of
improvement
in
providing
services
and
opportunities
for
minority
communities.
A
D
I
do
have
a
couple
thoughts
on
this.
I
think
particularly
what
we
have
done
well,
that
we've
been
open
to
hear
different
perspectives.
I
think
that
the
spirit
of
this
commission,
as
having
been
one
of
the
folks
that
was
a
big
advocate
for
it
outside
of
government,
was
that
we
would
do
just
that
that
we
would
be
bipartisan
in
the
approach
to
try
and
look
at
data
and
figure
out
how
they
can
be
useful
for
us
coming
up
with
solutions
to
some
pretty
challenging
issues.
I
think
that
we've
done
that.
D
I
think
we've
done
that
really
well
and
we've
been
open
to
those
ideas.
I
think
what
we
could
do
better
as
a
group
is
twofold
one,
and
perhaps
this
is
already
being
done
and
forgive
my
ignorance
on
it.
D
Because
it's
one
thing.
I
think,
for
this
particular
body,
whether
you
are
a
legislator
or
a
citizen
member,
to
hear
a
lot
of
information
and
to
ask
good
questions.
That's
important,
but
ultimately,
at
the
end
of
the
day.
Again
as
as
chairman
gibbons
read
in
terms
of
the
charge,
there
there's
a
responsibility
here
for
the
commission
to
conduct
its
own
research,
and
I
think
that
you
can
do
that
by
having
very
clear
questions
that
you
provide
answers
to
in
terms
of
presenters.
D
It's
not
listed
in
the
charge
of
the
group
to
come
up
with
policy
answers
I'll
be
the
first.
I
guess
today
to
say
that
these
answers
don't
always
have
to
come
from
government.
In
fact,
most
of
them
probably
won't,
but
I
think
the
ones
that
could
if
it
is
an
example
like
this
threshold
question,
I
think
there
is
an
opportunity
there
for
the
general
assembly
to
seek
to
address
it
at
least
to
discuss
it
in
a
way
where
it
can
be
litigated.
D
Heaven
mentioned
this
last
time
and
I
know
I
had
to
miss
one
meeting,
but
I
that
may
be
speaking
out
of
turn
here
co-chair
so
forgive
me,
but
I
I
find
it
quite
remarkable
that
last
year
we
can
make
a
big
deal
as
a
commonwealth
and
make
a
big
push
for
the
importance
of
racial
justice
from
a
bipartisan
perspective
and
to
put
in
a
lot
of
work
with
the
general
assembly
to
push
this
particular
commission
and
all
the
challenges
that
it
went
through
all
the
different
iterations
and
so
regularly.
D
We
have
people
just
not
show
up
with
the
opportunity
to
be
present
virtually
as
many
folks
have
taken
the
opportunity
to
be
present
in
person
as
many
folks
have
taken.
I
don't
understand
why
somebody
would
take
an
appointment
to
this
particular
commission
and
then
just
choose
not
to
be
here
and
again,
I'm
not
a
co-chair.
A
Other
members
other
thoughts
plea,
please
senator
berg.
B
I
would
like
to
speak
up
if
possible
for
just
a
minute.
First
of
all,
I
do
want
to
say
that
being
assigned
to
this
committee,
I
I
felt
that
it
was.
It
was
really
an
amazing
opportunity
to
be
educated
and
to
become
hopefully
part
of
the
solution
instead
of
part
of
the
problem,
and
I
really
really
appreciate
what
we've
listened
to
and
what
we've
done
and
and
the
questions
that
are
being
raised,
maybe
not
answered,
but
at
least
asked,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
keep
thinking
from
my
perspective.
B
This
is
very
personal
for
me
that
I
would
like
to
see
some
discussion
on
is
the
increased
risk
of
of
juvenile
gun
violence
throughout
the
state,
and
this
is
not
just
an
urban
problem,
even
though
it
may
be
particularly
an
urban
problem.
B
A
Sir,
thank
you
for
the
input
and
I
would
encourage
you
as
as
you
travel
the
course
of
the
next
few
months.
If
you
have
a
presenter
that
comes
to
mind,
that
would
be
a
presenter
to
come
and
and
talk
with
us
about
this
issue.
Obviously
we
would
prefer
someone
knowledgeable
and
skilled
and
and
capable
and
talented
and
and
to
the
degree
that
look
all
of
us
have
bias
on
every
position
we
take.
A
We
wouldn't
take
a
position
if
we
didn't
have
a
bias
in
one
direction
or
another,
but
a
factual
presentation
by
a
group
with
limited
bias
for
purposes
of
us
to
to
promote
policy.
I
think
they'd
be
welcome.
Here,
certainly
get
their
name
submitted
to
the
staff
and
we
will
take
a
look
at
them
for
the
the
next
interim.
E
I
have
a
few,
and
this
is
more
just
kind
of
as
we
look
at
2022,
not
necessarily
things
that
we
can
do
better,
but
things
I
would
like
to
see
us
be
able
to
incorporate
something.
I've
taken
notes
on
from
our
very
first
meeting
is
being
as
opportunities
that
members
could
have.
E
Something
I
feel
like
I
really
like
to
do
is
be
a
connector
for
people,
and
so,
if
there
are
different
groups
or
associations
that
we
need
to
be
connected
with,
I
would
like
to
be
part
of
that
as
co-chair,
and
so
something
that
came
along
was
when
aoc
came
the
administrative
office
of
the
courts.
They
talked
about
specialty
courts.
Well,
a
lot
of
times.
We've
not
you
know.
E
Maybe
members
of
the
community
haven't
had
the
opportunity
to
go
and
sit
with
teen
court
or
a
specialty
court,
and
so
I
have
reached
out
to
laurie
dudgeon
the
executive
director
of
aoc
and
mentioned
that
to
her.
You
know
if
you
want
to
do
ride
alongs
with
our
state
troopers
or
our
local
police
officers.
E
I
think
those
are
unique
opportunities,
something
that
we
talked
about
was
really
allowing
us
to
empathize
and
so
stepping
out
of
our
comfort
and
understanding,
and
I
think
that's
for
a
lot
of
things,
and
so
that's
something
I
would
like
to
be
a
connector
for
for
members
on
this
commission.
E
If
you
would
have
interest
in
any
of
those
things,
please
reach
out
to
me,
and
I
will
try
to
help
facilitate
that,
because
sometimes
people
just
don't
know
who
to
go
to
something
I'd
also
like
to
do
for
2022,
is
come
up
with
an
inventory
of
what
kentucky
already
has
in
place
for
the
you
know
for
race
and
access
to
opportunity.
What
can
you
know
what
what
are
we
already
have?
That's
just
not
being
implemented.
You
know.
I
had
this
conversation
earlier
with
this
commission
with
house
bill
212.
E
You
know
we
I,
with
the
help
of
the
anti-racism
kentucky
coalition,
we
did
maternal
mortality
and
you
know
I
asked
for
race,
income
and
geography
to
be
requested
data
in
statute.
Well,
then,
I
mean
with
chfs
and
they
weren't
going
to
do
that
because
they
don't
have
income,
but
I
was
like
what
can
we
do
medicaid
versus
non-medicaid,
and
they
said
yes,
so
you
know
sometimes
it's
just
following
up.
So
what
do
we
already
have
in
place?
E
That's
not
happening,
you
know,
sometimes,
as
a
legislature,
we
pass
spills,
but
we
don't
necessarily
follow
up
on
them.
So
seeing
kind
of
taking
a
collective
look
at
that
and
then
really
taking
an
opportunity
to
focus
on
access
to
opportunity,
I
think
in
the
kya
presentation
something
that
really
stuck
out
it's
a
conversation.
I've
had
with
many
people
over
the
last
few
years
is
what
is
the
difference
with
poverty
in
eastern
kentucky
and
with
the
west
end
of
kentucky,
and
I
think,
a
bigger
part
of
that
is
access
to
opportunity.
E
Now,
there's
a
lot
more
that
we
can
delve
into
with
that.
But
I
think
that's
a
great
start
and
a
representative
cocarney
has
got
some
unique
experiences
of
we've
talked
about
with
access
to
opportunity.
So
I'd
like
to
see
us
focus
a
little
more
on
that
because
I
think
that's
a
big
part
of
it
and
before
we
we
wrap
up.
I
really
just
want
to
thank
our
staff,
alicia,
alicia
and
alicia
for
all
the
work
that
you
all
do.
This
has
been
and
dalton
workman.
E
A
Coach
heveren,
thank
you
and
wonderful,
closing
thoughts.
I'm
gonna
share
one
or
two
of
my
own,
very
briefly
as
we
as
we
wrap
up.
What
I
think
has
been
a
good
interim
first
swing
at
this,
and
certainly
looking
forward
to
future
swings
and
future
efforts.
I
want
to
reflect
on
her
words
and
reinforce
the
appreciation
of
of
our
staff
that
has
provided
such
able
assistance
to
us
in
navigating
something
that
when
you
were
asked
and
or
coerced
to
sign
on
for
it's.
This
is
not
one
of
those
things
that
people
say
hey.
A
A
Approach
than
we've
taken,
but
first
out
of
the
gate,
this
has
been
good.
This
has
been
a
good
conversation.
We've
had
and
two
quick
thoughts,
as
I
close
after
those
thoughts.
Probably
the
moment
for
me
that
that
was
most
striking,
as
I
look
back
over
a
list
of
the
meetings
and
the
dates
and
and
what
we,
what
we
did
olga
mckissick
with
the
owensboro
group,
western
academy
and
the
passion
and
the
presentation
that
she
made
sitting
there
at
that
table.
A
One
starfish
and
I'm
confident
that
every
one
of
those
kids
lives
that
she
touched
touches
there
in
owensboro
is
a
profound
impact
on
that
community
and
definitely
a
profound
impact
on
that
one
person's
life.
The
other
last
quick
thought
I'll
share
comes
from
a
conversation
I
had
this
morning
with
my
daughter,
my
24
year
old
daughter,
hannah's
in
for
thanksgiving
and
and
I
don't
really
think
that
for
a
moment
she
likes
my
coffee
better
than
any
other.
A
But
she
always
asks
me
to
make
it
for
her
that
that
those
mornings
that
she's
home-
and
so
it's
not
often
that
I
get
to
make
coffee
for
her.
And
so
I
was
sharing
with
what
was
gonna
be
doing
today
in
the
commission
on
the
race
and
the
work
we've
done
and
and
she's
she's
very
insightful,
and
I
was
running
late
and
she
said
dad.
I've
got
some
thoughts.
You
need
to
sit
down
and
listen
to
me.
A
A
A
When
I
say
all
of
us
have
life
experiences
and
walks
that
teach
us
different
cultural,
social
approaches
to
things
all
of
us
are
the
product
of
those
life
experiences
and
when
my
daughter
asked
me
to
set
those
aside,
I
said
to
her
this
morning.
I
said
hannah
I'll
be
glad
to
try,
but
you've
got
to
give
me
grace
and
space
and
time
as
I
practice
setting
aside
the
things
that
life
has
taught
me
and
viewing
the
world
differently
and
trying
to
understand.
A
If
I
have
bias
in
me
that
I
don't
see,
then
please
teach
me
that
do
it
in
a
way
that
you
show
me
grace
in
in
that
teaching,
and
I
think
we've
done
that
for
each
other
in
the
conversations
we've
had
here.
I
look
forward
to
those
conversations
going
forward
thanks
and
everyone
have
a
great
thanksgiving.