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A
On
education,
to
order
to
begin
with,
I
want
to
make
an
introduction
to
my
left.
Here
we
have
Justin
Smith,
he's
brand
new
with
us
here
in
the
lrc
he's
going
to
be
an
analyst
a
post-secondary
analyst,
so
Justin
welcome.
Let's,
let's
welcome
Justin.
B
A
You
should
have
had
the
minutes
are
in
your
packet.
You
should
have
had
them
sent
to
you
electronically,
with
the
meeting
materials.
Do
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
of
the
September
21st
meeting.
Have
a
second
have
a
motion.
Second
I
was
in
favor,
say
aye,
any
posts
say
no.
The
motion
carries.
A
We
do
have
a
lot
of
information
to
go
through
this
morning.
Where
our
first
item
on
the
agenda
today
is
a
presentation
from
the
Council
on
post-secondary
education.
President
Thompson,
you
and
your
team
come
forward,
and
please
I
think
you
know
the
routine.
Please
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
then
I
will
swear
you
in.
A
D
A
D
You,
sir
and
I'll,
make
the
presentation
fairly
fast,
but
hopefully
we'll
have
some
real
conversation
in
questions
afterwards.
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
come
to
the
table
and
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
what's
going
on
with
CPE,
and
especially
the
last
four
or
five
years,
we're
happy
to
talk
about
that
for
a
lot
of
reasons.
I
think
you're
going
to
be
happy
with
some
of
the
things
we've
done,
but
also
with
the
idea
that
I
think
we
can
do
even
more.
D
You
know
right
now
our
economy
is
doing
well,
but
if
you
look
at
the
direct
correlation
and
it's
more
than
the
correlation
by
the
way,
it's
causal
even
to
that
degree,
in
order
for
the
economy
to
stay
doing
well
and
to
bring
in
even
a
more
thriving,
robust
economy,
we're
going
to
have
to
have
a
highly
educated
Workforce.
Ninety
percent
of
the
jobs
in
this
future
is
going
to
require
a
credential
that
matters
to
make
this
happen.
D
It
said
that
by
2030
we
have
to
have
60
percent
of
our
citizens
in
Kentucky,
with
a
credential
that
matters
or
we
will
fail
to
provide,
what's
needed
to
be
provided
for
the
state
to
do
what
it
needs
to
do,
and
you
also
know
the
importance
of
higher
ed
without
a
doubt.
If
you
don't
believe
me,
look
at
the
percentage
of
folk
without
that
education
certificate
that
matters
or
any
other
degree,
that's
in
prisons,
that's
on
Medicaid
and
so
on.
D
D
First
of
all,
thank
you
for
actually
investing
in
higher
ed
over
the
last
I
mean
historic,
Investments
and
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
before
we
get
started,
we
truly
and
I'm
representing
the
campus
is
when
I
say
this,
even
though
I'm
here
to
talk
about
CPE
proper,
you
know
they
actually
needed
it.
As
you
all
know,
and
the
other
point
I'll
make
is
that,
with
the
performance
funding
mechanism,
you
have
an
accountability
system
with
us,
that's
fairly
clear,
there's
no
doubt
about
it,
so
CPE
as
a
whole.
We
do
a
variety
of
things.
D
If
you
look
at
the
statutory
responsibilities
we
have
in
regulatory
responsibilities,
is
Pages
Pages
Pages.
The
thing
that
I
think
we
do
more
of
and
really
have
concentrated
heavily
on
is
how
we
can
get
our
institutions
to
be
responsive
once
again
to
the
state's
needs
so
I'm,
hired
by
a
governing
by
a
board
Coordinating
Board
15-minute
15
member
board,
disappointed
by
the
governor.
We
have
a
student
rep
on
there.
We've
always
had
one
as
well
as
we
have
a
faculty
rep
at
you
know.
D
The
two
universities,
University
of
Louisville
University
of
Kentucky,
falls
under
our
coordinating
guidelines
and
we're
a
different
kind
of
coordinating
agencies,
because
we
have,
we
I
tell
people,
we
have
enough
power
to
get
us
in
trouble
right.
We
set
the
tuition,
we
review
the
programs,
we
approve
the
programs,
we
set
the
Strategic
agenda
for
the
state
that
the
universities
and
colleges
build
their
strategic
plans
around,
and
so
we
have
some
accountability
responsibilities
in
that
regard.
D
Comprehensive,
six
autonomous,
obviously,
comprehensive
campuses,
kctc
us
as
a
whole,
with
the
16,
Community
and
Technical
colleges,
and
what
a
lot
of
people
don't
know.
We
license
a
hundred
and
almost
200
non-public
colleges
and
universities
to
exist
in
this
state,
and
so,
if
they
don't
rise
to
the
level
of
doing
what
is
needed
under
what
I
call
a
consumer
protection
issue,
we
don't
allow
them
to
operate
so,
even
though
we
don't
govern
them
in
that
sense
to
coordinate
them.
D
In
that
sense,
we
do
coordinate
the
fact
that
they
need
to
be
a
legitimate,
strong
Institution
for
the
state
of
Kentucky
want
to
give
you
some
numbers
first,
you
know
and
once
again
I'm
proud
of
this,
and
this
took
off
in
a
way
just
simply
because
we
refocus
what
we
were
focusing
on
and
we
couldn't
do
everything,
but
we
decided
we
were
going
to
double
down
on
all
those
items
that
are
good
for
Kentucky.
D
So
in
the
last
five
years,
with
our
latest
data
through
21
and
you,
as
you
all
know,
21
was
the
year
of
covid.
So
we've
got
another
year
of
actually
getting
data
back
on
that,
but
we
still
have
gone
up
7.6
percentage
points
overall
in
our
six-year
graduation
rates.
Now
that's
huge
I
mean
there
are
percentage
points,
not
percent
our
urms
up.
9.5
percentage
points
we're
closing
gaps
in
Kentucky
in
this
area.
6.1
percentage
points
on
low
income.
D
This
is
an
area
I'm,
truly
worried
about,
and
you'll
hear
me
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
later
on,
because
we've
got
to
figure
out
how
we
address
that
and
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
college.
Going
rate
with
this
in
a
minute
three-year
graduation
rates
for
our
kctcs
campuses,
we
knew
that
we
were
going
to
have
to
focus
on
Student
Success
and
really
get
more
credentials
out
that
matter
than
these
middle
skill.
Jobs
too.
D
So
we
doubled
down
on
that
in
the
last
many
years
to
make
sure
we
Supply
what's
needed
for
our
manufacturing
folk
here
in
Kentucky,
but
we're
up
13.6
percentage
points
there
in
graduation
2.2
percentage
points
in
urm.
That's
an
area
where
we're
going
to
have
to
double
down
on
there
with
their
kctcs
campuses
and
are
low
income.
Where
kctcs
has
many
of
those.
As
you
all
know,
14.5
percentage
Point
increases.
D
If
you
look
at
undergraduate
degrees
overall
at
our
state
universities,
you
know
once
again:
21
slowed
us
down
a
little
bit,
but
we're
still
up
over
all
two
percent.
Are
you
rem?
We're
up?
25
percent
kctcs
up
28,
urm,
46
percent,
low
income,
17
percent
and
graduate
credentials
are
up
tremendously
point.
Is
that
we're
closing
gaps
almost
in
every
category,
including
our
educational
attainment
category,
in
which
I'll
get
to
here
right
now
and
in
order
once
again
we're
on
the
trajectory
of
60
percent
by
2030.
D
and
to
get
there
we
had
the
average
at
the
time
we
did
this
five
years
ago
we
had
to
average
about
two
point
or
2.5
what
1.7
yes,
but
we
we
were
actually
doubling
that
in
most
cases,
as
you
all
see,
but
2021
once
again
year
of
Kobe
went
to
a
0.5
we're
still
up
next
year.
I,
don't
ex
you
know
it's
going
to
take
everything.
We
have
to
actually
show
a
positive
number
there,
but
this
really
has
had
an
effect
on
us.
D
But
before
that
we
were
on
trajectory
at
at
least
double
the
rate
that
we
had
planned
on
and
so
we're
at
49.2
percent.
Now
close
to
the
60
percent,
and
that's
I
mean
that's
been
a
huge
increase
in
the
way
we
prepared
people
for
jobs
here
in
Kentucky,
so
we've
had
a
lot
of
expanded
duties.
I
just
want
to
mention
a
few
that
has
happened.
One
is
that
we've
taken
on
the
performance
funding
system
that
we
have
to
administer.
That
is
no
easy
task.
D
I
promise
you,
but
we
are
doing
it
a
lot
of
Kobe
related
items.
We
developed
a
very
Progressive
Dei
policy
that
focuses
on
a
variety
of
things,
helping
our
campuses
to
be
learner,
prepared,
helping
them
also
to
express
what
they
need
to
do.
No
matter
what
student
comes
on
their
campus
from
what
background
they
came
from
what
ideology
they
are,
that
they
feel
comfortable
on
that
campus
to
work
and
to
learn,
we've
increased
our
heavy
focus
on
our
post-secondary
and
Workforce
needs.
Kentucky
was
the
first
state
to
really
grab
this
employability
skill.
D
Some
of
you
call
it
soft
skills
and
start
incorporating
it
into
our
curriculum.
We've
got
I'm
sure
you
read
a
lot
of
national
attention
about
being
on
the
front
end
and
in
a
few
minutes,
I'll
skip
over
the
slide
when
we
get
here
we're
now
focusing
on
what
we
consider
a
graduate
profile
and
incorporating
as
many
of
our
programs
and
our
general
education
as
we
can
that
focuses
on
those
competencies
that
employers
say
they
need
in
the
past.
D
We
had
this
idea
that
general
education
is
something
you
get
through
with
fast,
so
you
can
get
to
the
really
important
stuff
and
our
employers
are
saying,
but
I
don't
care
what
degree
you're
giving
us
we,
you
may
be
technically
prepared,
but
they
don't
have
these
employability
skills.
So
we're
going
to
start
incorporating.
D
We
know
that
that
matters,
but
we
also
had
to
bring
the
workforce
on
the
front
end
with
us
to
design
programs
for
the
future
of
the
workforce
and
not
have
programs
that
we
somehow
provided.
Then
hopefully
they
hire
students
and
hopefully
they're
ready,
but
we're
bringing
Employers
in
on
the
front
end.
A
great
example
is
this:
obviously
the
health
care,
Workforce
collaborative
where
generously
you
all
gave
us
10
million
dollars.
Last
year
we
have
48
employers
with
us
now
on
this,
putting
their
money
in
to
the
game
and
helping
us
to
build
this
pipeline
faster.
D
We've,
we've
redone
our
Academic
Program
inventory,
and
how
we
assess
academic
programs
to
make
sure
that
they
are
talking
with
the
local
Workforce
needs
regionally
that
we're
building
programs
for
tomorrow
and
not
programs
in
the
past,
as
the
programs
are
not
relevant
anymore,
we're
asking
them
that
no
longer
should
exist.
So
we've
focused
on
that
and
then
of
course,
last
year
we
took
over
some
administrative
and
academic
review.
D
Duties
for
KSU
I
keep
on
going
once
again
with
all
these
items,
and
these
are
only
just
a
few
there's
many
other
items.
You
should
know
I'll
just
point
out
a
couple.
The
return
on
investment
Kentucky
was
first
state
to
really
look
at
every
College,
every
student
that
graduated
from
high
school
to
find
out
where
they
were
at
eight
years
later,
what
jobs
they
had,
what
degrees
or
not.
They
had
and
look
to
see
how
well
they
were
doing.
D
Our
data
are
showing
happily
so,
and
we
knew
that
that
for
every
dollar
the
state
puts
in
that
that
student
that
stays
in
Kentucky
they're,
giving
you
a
67
dollar
return
best
investment
that
I
know
of
We've,
obviously
redeveloped
with
the
help
of
Grants
we've
been
very
blessed
to
get
a
lot
of
Grants
from
a
variety
of
places,
I
focus
on
Student,
Success
and
GAP
closing
heavily
with,
like
our
Student
Success
collaborative
that
James
Graham,
Brown
generously
put
in
money
to
help
provide.
Now
we
got
Gates
and
other
folks
that
are
helping
us
with.
D
Tipton
and
I've
talked
about
it
many
times
we
have
400
000
people
in
this
state
with
some
college
and
no
degree
or
no
certificate
that
we're
going
to
have
to
go
and
get
back
into
the
system,
or
we
won't
get
to
that
60
percent
without
them,
and
we
got
even
another
two
or
three
hundred
thousand
that
may
have
not
even
a
high
school
they're,
Adult,
Ed,
Folk
or
other
people
that
we
have
to
get
engaged
and
the
Commonwealth
education
continuing
that
I'm
really
proud,
proud
of
and
I'm
proud
of.
D
All
of
these
things,
obviously,
but
I
mean
we
knew
that
we
can
no
longer
blame
K-12
for
not
providing
us
with
what
we
need.
The
students
are,
how
prepared
that
they
were,
and
so
we've
done.
We,
we
changed
the
whole
CPE
to
focus
on
building
that
pipeline.
You
know
as
well
as
the
workforce,
and
you
know
Amanda
and
Jennifer,
and
all
the
folks
that
are
here
to
focus
on
that
with
us.
So
these
are
the
areas
that
we
have
to
consider
and
I'll.
D
Give
you
one
other
thing,
then
we'll
move
through
the
rest
fairly
quickly
when
I
took
over
this
position
several
years
ago.
There's
several
things
we
did.
We
looked
at
the
data
and
we
found
that
we
needed.
We
really
need
to
look
at
other
items
to
help
students
be
weeded
in
the
college
versus
weeded
out,
so
we
became
the
first
state
holistically,
become
a
test
optional.
State
second
thing:
we
did
second
day
on
the
job
probably
got
rid
of
every
developmental
education
course
in
the
state,
because
students
were
being
crammed
in
there
and
not
being
successful.
D
To
be
honest
with
you
or
data,
showed
that
and
that
probably
wasn't
a
popular
decision
with
some
of
our
campuses
at
the
time.
I
will
tell
you,
but
we
did
it
and
guess
what
we're
showing
you
given
the
wraparound
services
that
they
need,
no
matter
where
they're
from
they
will
succeed
and
that's
what
it's
showing
so
there's
several
things.
We've
done
along
those
lines.
Next
slide,
please!
D
You
know
we
talked
about
the
health
care
Workforce
you're,
going
to
hear
us
talk
a
lot
more
about
that
and
we're
going
to
need,
though,
and
we're
going
to
come
to
you
to
ask
you
to
help
us
to
really
think
about
how
to
support
more
adult
Learners.
We've
got
to
do
something
very
proactively
here
and
we've
got
ideas
and
already
plans
that
you've
obviously
heard
about
or
P20
we've
got
to
double
down
on
this
we
have
no
choice
with
47.8
percent
of
the
students
in
Kentucky.
D
D
As
you
all
know,
and
that's
a
big
thing
and
affordability
comes
in
two
phases
one
is
people
may
perceive
they
can't
go
to
college
as
we
found
that
four
years
ago
am
I
listening
to
her
that
it
was
amazing
how
many
people
say
well,
I
can't
afford
to
go
to
college
and
they
really
just
didn't
know
how
basically
so
we're
going
to
do
a
better
job
with
information
along
those
lines.
But
we
do
have
students
that
can't
afford
to
go
to
college.
D
We
have
to
do
a
better
job
there,
proud
to
say
that
over
the
last
four
years,
we've
had
historic,
low,
tuitions
averaging
about
1.5
percent,
but
more
than
that,
our
campuses
have
doubled
down
and
put
their
resources
in,
in
addition
to
a
very
healthy
state
aid
package,
helping
students
to
be
successful
when
they
once
they
get
into
college,
reaching
unmet
needs
providing
them
with
what
they
need
to
do
that.
So
we
become
a
strong
data
driven
State.
D
Another
item
representative,
McCool
I,
don't
know
where
you're
at
here,
but
and
when
we've
done
the
student
right
to
know
the
first
state
in
the
Union
to
point
out.
Let
every
student
know
that
here's
the
major
this
is
how
much
you
can
expect
to
make.
This
is
the
average
loan
on
it.
You
should
consider
before
you
actually
borrow
for
it,
and
we've
done
this
for
every
major
in
every
College
in
the
state
faith,
and
it's
out
there
for
that
to
be
seen
once
again
work
closely
with
KSU
you
hear
from
them
today.
D
D
That
we've
talked
about
along
with
our
performance
funding,
along
with
their
strategic
agenda,
that,
in
a
few
seconds,
I'll
give
Lee
a
chance
to
talk
about,
but
the
idea
that
we
have
to
focus
on
what's
once
again,
the
way
we
build
out
what
we're
doing
as
a
state
agency,
true
enough,
but
also
as
a
campus,
to
reimagine
what
the
state
should
be
looking
like
in
10
years,
and
not
just
looking
at
what
we've
done
five
years
ago
next
slide,
please,
where
we're
headed,
you
know
about
five
out
of
10
Kentucky
high
school
students
go
to
college.
D
We
have
to
focus
on
this
college
readiness
we
have
to
double
down
on
how
we
use
dual
credit.
We
have
to
let
people
know
that
there's
a
free
College
of
work,
ready
scholarships
that
people
still
don't
know.
We
have
to
be
able
to
use
this
and
I'm
proud
to
say
our
dual
credit,
our
items
that
have
showed
really
great
return
on
investment.
D
As
a
matter
of
fact,
if
you
take
dual
credit
courses,
when
you're
in
high
school,
we've
now
been
able
to
look
at
the
data
when
they're
in
college
sophomore
and
junior
year,
guess
what?
If
you're
a
person
of
color
you've,
actually
are
far
more
successful
in
college?
If
you
had
a
dual
credit,
Lee
wants
to
take
us
through
a
few
of
these.
E
Sure,
president
Thompson
president
Thompson
asked
me
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
State's
new
strategic
agenda.
I
think
that
we
included
the
agenda
in
your
packets.
E
So
this
was
put
into
the
statute
during
the
higher
ed
reforms
in
the
late
90s,
we've
had
about
four
or
five
iterations
of
the
Strategic
agenda,
the
most
recent
which
came
out
this
spring.
So
we
have
really
have
sort
of
five
key
pillars,
and
president
Thompson
has
mentioned
each
of
these
and
talked
about
what
we're
doing,
but
I
think
it's
useful
to
remind
ourselves
that
you
know
we
are
focused
and
concerned
as
a
state
about
the
issue
of
college
transitions,
not
just
high
school
students
transitioning
onto
post-secondary
education.
E
So
a
lot
of
work
going
on
to
ensure
number
one
that
college
costs
are
as
low
as
possible,
but
really
thinking
about
targeting
institutional
and
State
financial
aid
to
make
sure
that
students
have
the
kinds
of
resources
that
they
need.
We're
looking
at
things
like
textbook
costs,
we're
looking
at
things
like,
certainly
Early
Access
to
post-secondary
education,
which
is
a
great
way
to
lower
costs.
So
just
a
range
of
issues
around
College
affordability,
Student
Success,
which
is
really
core
to
what
we
do.
E
Talent
president
Thompson
really
mentioned
the
fact
that
you
know
we
can't
do
what
we
do
if
we're
doing
it
in
a
vacuum.
If
we
don't
have
programs
that
really
respond
to
the
needs
of
the
state,
the
response
to
our
Workforce
needs
our
employers
that
we're
not
doing
what
we
need
to
do
so.
We
have
certainly
talked
with
the
general
assembly
about
our
high
need.
Workforce
areas
like
Health
Care
teaching
is
another
key
area
of
concern
for
us
technology.
E
All
of
these
areas,
I
think,
need
added
an
intentional
work
and
support,
and
so
we're
really
focused
in
this
area
and
that
also
things
like
ensuring
that
every
student
has
a
work
based
learning
experience
as
president
Thompson
mentioned,
and
that
we're
doing
a
better
job,
advising
students
about
career
options
and
putting
them
in
career
Pathways
earlier
and
then.
Finally,
president
Thompson
has
done
a
terrific
job.
E
Talking
about
the
value
proposition
of
post-secondary
Education,
we
have
too
many
people
who
don't
believe
that
college
is
worth
the
cost,
that
it's
valuable
and
when
we
say
College,
of
course,
we're
talking
about
any
post-secondary
training,
Beyond
High
School.
So
this
issue
of
getting
the
message
out
changing
public
perception,
conventional
thinking
that
may
not
be
based
in
fact
about
higher
education
is,
is
very
important,
and
so
that
is
work.
That's
ongoing,
certainly
at
CPE
and
across
the
post-secondary
community.
E
D
And
I'll
finish
this
up
fairly
quickly
now,
but
I
just
want
to
thank
Lee.
Not
only
do
we
have
these
3
000
people
from
around
the
state
parents
and
family
members,
as
well
as
K-12
Economic
Development
people,
Workforce
people
higher
ed,
give
us
input
Lee
brought
in
other
people
around
the
state
to
help
us
to
shape
this.
This
just
wasn't
inside
baseball,
or
it
wasn't
shaped
purely
for
the
particular
needs
that
would
make
it
easy
for
us
quickly.
D
I'll
just
show
you,
since
I've
been
at
CPE
our
we've
gotten
a
lot
more
expanded
duties,
as
you
all
know,
but
we've
gone
from
11.5
million
operating
funds
down
to
6
million,
make
a
long
story
short
that
you've
had
we've
hacked
our
budget.
I
mean
the
cuts,
but
but
we've
been
blessed
enough.
If
you
look
at
the
next
slides
I
mean
that
means
this
is
not
including
their
wonderful
Gear,
Up,
federally
funded
programs
or
the
amount
of
dollars
that
we've
been
blessed
enough
to
get
to
actually
prop
up.
D
So
a
lot
of
the
state's
work
has
been
propped
up
on
soft
dollars
from
other
people
that
we've
gotten
and
I'm.
Okay.
With
that,
except
it's
kind
of
hard
to
budget
out
soft
dollars
to
keep
doing
this
work,
so
we've
had
a
36
percent
reduction
in
our
Workforce
too
now
I
believe
we
have
better
strong
people,
I'm
going
to
argue,
but
numbers
can
become
an
issue.
D
Go
to
the
next
slide
quickly.
We
we
are
going
to
be
coming
to
you
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
how
we
need
to
solidify
some
funding
with
really
what
we're
trying
to
do
around
these
shortages,
like
health
care,
I
mean
and
really
working
with
our
employers.
That
we
think
is
crucial
to
the
future
of
the
state.
We're
going
to
also
talk
a
lot
representative,
Tifton
and
Wes.
As
you
all
know,
around,
we
have
to
strengthen
this
p12
pathway
in
post-secondary.
There's
a
lot
of
stuff.
You
know
we're
doing
with
our
Commonwealth
education
Continuum.
D
If
you
haven't
been
involved
in
that
and
I
know
you
have,
you
really
should
look
at
it.
These
are
very
Progressive
items
that
gets
us
where
we
need
to
go,
but
we're
going
to
have
to
have
some
assistance
and
in
improving
the
high
demand
post-secondary
training
for
the
adults.
D
We
are
going
to
have
to
figure
out
what
to
do
here
and
we've
got
ideas,
we'd
love
to
work
with
you
to
talk
about
how
we
accomplish
those
ideas,
but
these
are
some
of
the
items
that
we're
going
to
be
bringing
with
our
legislative
agenda
to
hopefully
get
the
buy
and
input
and
funding
honestly
to
help
us
continue
you
to
do
this
work,
sir.
We
will
end
it
there,
hopefully
with
enough
time
left
for
questions.
B
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair,
Dr,
Thompson
Lee.
Thank
you
for
your
testimony.
I
know
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
we're
working
around
deal
with
the
work-ready
scholarships
and
the
promotion
of
that.
So
if
you
could
emphasize
that
a
little
bit
more
or
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
and
then
also
how
are
we
going
to
get
more
students,
especially
adults
in
the
work
ready
program,
I?
Think
because
there
we've
really
had
to
Target.
D
Now
that
Lee
jump
in
this
she's
been
leading
this
charge
on
this
adult
learner.
Thank
you
Lee,
but
you
know
we
we
figured
out.
No
one
knew
about
the
work,
ready,
scholarship,
three
or
four
percent.
Nobody
knew
still
don't
we're
finding
this
out
on
our
tour
again,
and
so
we
were
able
to
get
some
grant
money
once
again
to
really
ship
out
a
big.
D
We
got
be
still
from
the
Nappy
Roots
to
actual
beer
spokesperson,
even
who
came
back
to
Kentucky
college
and
and
got
his
degree,
and
we've
made
some
inroads
there,
but
it's
it's
just
a
long
way
to
go,
and
this
is
really
where
people
don't
like
to
think
about
funding
marketing
or
funding
ways
to
get
the
message
out
sometimes.
But
this
is
an
area
that
you
bring
up.
Is
so
true
that
we've
got
to
start
feeding
people
into
this,
which
may
mean
we
need
to
think
a
little
bit,
how
we
shape
work,
ready.
E
No
I
totally
agree.
I
would
say
that
the
other
sort
of
communications
area
that
we
need
to
focus
on
with
work
ready
is
our
employers.
It's
always
surprising
to
me
in
talking
with
some
of
the
folks
out
in
the
employer
community
that
they
don't
know
about
this
program,
and
you
know
if
we're
they're
talking
about
incumbent
workers
who
need
to
skill
up,
and
they
may
have
the
opportunity
to
fund
that
that
education
through
work
ready
and
they
don't
know
about.
It-
seems
to
me
to
be
a
missed
opportunity
for
the
state.
D
And
yeah
it's
going
to
take
employers
without
a
doubt
on
the
front
end.
Many
of
those
will
also
give
you
assistance
to
go
back,
but
they
do
need
so
the
work
ready.
The
way
is
designed
now.
I
think
there
needs
to
be
a
conversation
about
how
we
tweak
it.
Some
I
know
representative,
Tipton
and
I
talked
about
that
about
how
we
tweak
it
a
little
bit
to
really
be
able
to
Target
to
our
adult
learners.
D
A
F
Here,
I
think
something
we
need
to
begin
to
think
about
very,
very,
very
seriously
and
is
one
of
those
where
your
life
experience
begins
to
shape
the
way
you
view
issues
as
my
children
are
beginning
to
progress
into
college
now,
I'm,
really
realizing
just
how
even
for
the
for
kids
who
stay
on
that
logical
path
of
high
school
into
college,
the
world
is
just
so
different
for
them.
F
Think
we've
really
got
to
think
long
and
hard
about
the
physical
assets
that
the
Commonwealth
has
versus
the
student
demand
for
that
online
experience
and,
like
you,
talk
about
with
adult
learner
and
stuff,
so
many
of
them
want
that
virtual
experience
that
works
around
you
know
work
and
soccer,
and
you
know
church
and
all
those
where
they
can
plug
it
in
20
minutes
here
and
there
and
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
it
and
I
know
that
you
guys
are
working
on
it,
but
I
think
to
say
that
accelerating
it
is
is
worthwhile.
F
Endeavor
is
is
an
understatement,
but
at
the
same
time
we
really
do
have
to
think
about,
especially
with
demographic
trends
like
we're,
seeing
not
just
in
the
Commonwealth
but
around
the
nation,
with
with
birth
rates
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
Do
we
just
need
to
look
at
smaller
physical
footprint,
but
an
expanded
online,
offering
oh.
A
D
But
you
ask
the
question:
that's
extremely
important:
yes,
the
answer
is
yes
quickly
and
I.
I
know
we're
going
around
that
time,
because
this
there's
some
meat
here
one
is
that
we're
also
going
to
have
to
then
be
able
to
set
up
a
virtual
infrastructure.
D
If
you
and
I
went
back
to
school
now
to
teach
a
class
or
to
teach
in
high
school,
even
though
I
would
argue,
we
probably
could
do
it,
but
I
may
not
get
as
much
with
my
background
as
much
a
reward
for
doing
that
from
my
experience
than
we
should
so.
Your
question
is
the
question
we
have
to
focus
on
and
with
our
Commonwealth
education
continuance,
what
we're
doing
and
how
we
do
then
dual
Credit
in
a
way
that
is
aligned
in
such
a
fashion.
D
That
allows
some
of
that
to
take
place
so,
as
we
think
about
for
physical
plant,
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
really
think
more
mentally
about
what
does
it
look
like
to
have
a
virtual
plant?
What
does
it
look
like
for
me
to
support
for
I
bet?
All
your
kids
were
involved
are
probably
different
kind
of
kids,
doing
different
kinds
of
experiences
that
are
still
doing
something
similar
with
output.
D
Education
as
whole
may
look
a
little
different
and
it
should
look
different
than
the
way
we
have
historically
done
it,
but
sit
and
get
in
the
classroom,
all
those
Elements
by
which,
but
we
also
know
that
they're
going
to
need
more
wraparound
Services
than
ever
we're
going
to
need
to
help
faculty
to
be
trained,
how
to
engage
students
better
even
in
the
online
environment.
So
I
know.
This
is
long
answer
there's
a
whole
lot
to
this,
but
that's
exactly
the
sorts
of
conversations
that
we
should
be
having
in
a
holistic
way.
A
Chairman
McDaniel
I
know
some
folks
from
Western
Governors
University,
who
would
like
to
talk
to
you.
Last
year,
I
was
at
Salt.
Lake
City
had
a
chance
to
tour
their
facility
out
there.
They
are
a
totally
online
based
four-year
bachelor
in
master
degree
program.
Their
average
time
to
bachelor
degree
is
2.4
years.
It's
Competency
Based,
it's
all
online.
They
have
the
supports
and
I
think
that's
the
type
of
things
we
have
to
look
at,
especially
for
these
adult
Learners
who
are
working
to
have
that
type
of
option.
A
So
we're
having
those
conversations
representative
Graham
has.
G
G
Has
there
been
any
discussions
with
the
with
the
administration
about
how
we
can
appeal
to
them
to
assist
Us
in
terms
of
educating
the
workforce
that
we
we
will
be
needing
to
have
and
working
with
CPE
to
come
up
with
a
strategy
in
which
these
new
employees
will
need
to
know
and
must
know,
to
continue
the
work
to
work
in
that
Workforce
with
these
new
businesses
that
are
coming
as
well
as
helping
with
those
who
are
already
working
but
who
want
to
come
back
but
cannot
afford
to
come
back
how
those
businesses
could
possibly
help
them?
G
I
know
some
businesses
are
doing
that,
but
a
strategy
in
which
we
can
appeal
to
especially
those
that
have
an
enormous
amount
of
employees
who
are
working
for
them.
D
Quick
answers,
yes,
but
we're
going
to
have
to
do
far
more
of
this.
Let
me
give
you
two
or
three
quick
examples
for
an
example.
We
were
on
the
Forefront
of
some
of
the
conversations
with
some
of
the
big
economic
development
piece,
because
we
had
to
show
them.
We
could
provide
them
with
the
needs
that
they
had
right
now.
What
we're
finding
out
is
those
needs
are
ever
growing,
because
now
you
have
all
these
ancillary
companies
that
are
popping
up,
so
we're
going
to
have
to
figure
out
how
to
make
that
faster.
D
The
other
thing
these
folks
are
telling
us
they
want
workers
that
can
have
these
employability
skills.
They
want
diverse
workers,
they
want
workers
so
on
right.
So
what
that
means
is
that
we're
going
to
have
to
listen
to
them,
what
they
want
and
how
we
can
provide
them,
not
just
with
the
technical
skills,
because
in
many
cases
they
can
do
a
lot
of
that
training
on
site.
So
what
are
they
asking
us
to?
Do?
D
That's
the
conversation
you're
suggesting
and
yes,
we
are
the
really
it's
going
to
come
down
to
a
pipeline
issue,
and
let
me
give
you
another
example:
that's
the
great
thing
with
this
Healthcare
collaborative
I
mean
we
invest
the
very
low
mining
by
comparison,
I
appreciate
what
we
invested,
but
these
folks
are
probably
putting
in
80
million
themselves.
You
know
along
the
lines
they're
providing
us
with
their
instructors,
that
kctcs
cannot
hire
to
actually
teach.
D
They
are
providing
us
with
money
to
supplement
instructors,
so
they
can
do
it
they're
supplying
them
with
scholarships
to
have
their
folks
put
into
that
spot.
So
very
Progressive.
The
way
we're
looking
at
doing
this,
but
we're
going
to
have
to
put
that
on
steroids
that
we're
going
to
actually
keep
up.
What's
going
on.
That's
that's
both
the
executive
legislative
and
what
I
argue
higher
education
needed
and
come
to
the
table
to
figure
out
how
we
create
a
comprehensive
plan
to
do
exactly
that
and
that's
what
we
haven't
fully
gotten
to
yet
well.
A
You
Preston
Thompson
I,
do
have
a
few
comments,
but
I
will
have
a
question
at
the
end.
We're
talking
about
higher
education
today
and
I.
Believe
historically,
when
we've
talked
about
education
in
Kentucky,
we've
looked
at
education
in
silos,
we've
got
to
get
away
from
that
Preston
Thompson
you
and
I
have
talked
you've
got
the
p16
pipeline
project.
A
I
might
argue
many
talk
about
P20
and
and
you've
heard
my
illustration
of
the
chain
and
if
we
have
a
weak
Link
in
that
chain,
it's
going
to
impact
the
outcome,
the
rest
of
the
way
up
and
I'm
not
going
to
pick
on
Jefferson
County
but
I
just
happen
to
be
reading
a
Courier
Journal
article
last
night
that
had
a
link
to
Jefferson,
County,
k-prep
scores
and
I
was
looking
through
those
scores
for
the
elementary
schools.
A
There
were
a
number
of
elementary
schools
in
Jefferson
County
that
the
reading
and
math
proficiency
proficient
or
above
was
10
11
percent,
it's
impossible
to
have
an
educated
Workforce
when
we
have
students
who
are
coming
out
of
school
entering
fourth
grade.
You
know
my
work
on
the
read
to
succeed,
build
a
leadership
project.
We
have
got
to
work
collaboratively
and
the
point
I'm
getting
to
is
the
Commonwealth
education
Continuum,
because
a
lot
of
the
members
here
may
not
be
as
familiar
with
it.
A
As
I
am
speaker
asked
me
to
sit
on
that
I've
been
working
with
that
I.
Think
one
of
the
weak
links
we've
identified
is
we
need,
and
it's
in
your
it's
in
your
priority.
Action
is
advising
counseling
for
students.
Could
you
elaborate
a
little
bit
more
about
the
makeup
of
CEC
and
how,
in
the
work
that
it's
doing
so,
the
members
could
have
understand
I
see
you
bringing
Dr
Ellis
the
table?
Dr
Ellis,
please
introduce
yourself
for
the
record.
Please!
Yes,.
C
Sir
good
Ellis-
oh
thank
you,
Amanda
Ellis,
the
VP
of
K-12
policies
and
programs.
A
D
D
Your
point
is
so
well
taken
and
I'm
and
instead
of
me
pointing
fingers,
I
said
we've
got
to
do
something
to
assist,
so
we
took
general
fund
dollars
that
I
had
going
in
other
places
that
were
toward
Harriet
and
we
hired
the
best
from
KDE
and
other
places,
and
now
my
whole
unit
is
made
up
of
great
people
to
focus
on
exactly
that,
and
if
we
don't
do
that,
if
you
want
to
build
a
strong
higher
ed
system,
we
need
to
figure
out
how
to
build
a
strong
early,
childhood
and
p12
system.
D
I
can
all
day
long.
Just
talk
about
this,
and
but
I
know
we
don't
have
time
I'll,
let
Amanda
jump
in
yes,.
C
Sir,
so
the
Commonwealth
education
Continuum
really
is
a
collaboration
from
preschool
all
the
way
into
Workforce.
And
as
representative
timpton
mentioned,
we
are
going
on
year,
two
getting
ready
to
start
the
third
year
and
what
we
did
was
pull
Kentucky
data
on
some
areas
that
are
our
weak
links
and
what
that
really
led
to
was
that
transition
from
secondary
into
post-secondary.
And
when
we
talk
to
our
stakeholders,
because
we
did
face-to-face
one-on-one
interviews
and
focus
groups,
and
we
talked
to
students
and
parents
faculty
staff
from
K-12
ampo
secondary.
C
We
found
some
real
needs
on
academic
preparedness,
as
you
would
mention
on
representative
Tipton,
and
this
real
desire
and
need
for
College
and
Career
advising
and
really
making
things
relevant
for
students,
because
it's
not
just
about
going
to
school
to
get
a
credential
or
degree
without
a
true
outcome
of
career
aspirations
and
honestly
worthiness
that
students
are
worthy,
no
matter
where
they
come
from.
And
so
what
we
did
with
that,
and
that
was
our
resounding
need,
was
around
advising.
C
As
you
well
know,
the
demands
on
counselors
alone,
with
safety,
mental
health
issues,
the
covid
pandemic,
all
the
things
plus
all
that
they
did
before
really
puts
a
strain
on
a
few.
And
so
what
we
did,
as
president
Thompson
mentioned,
with
some
coveted
relief
dollars,
we
received
from
KDE,
was
to
create
the
Kentucky
advising
Academy,
and
what
this
was
was
not
to
directly
provide
a
service
to
students,
because
that
would
not
be
sustainable.
C
Nor
would
we
be
able
to
do
that
in
a
short
amount
of
time,
but
we
invested
in
the
adults
who
were
in
the
buildings.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
adults
who
are
counselors
advisors,
Family,
Resource,
these
service
center
directors,
teachers
who
spend
more
time
with
kids
every
day
than
the
counselors
who
have
to
maybe
serve
1200.
And
what
we've
done
is.
C
We
have
have
a
group
of
College
and
Career
counselors
from
across
the
state
to
be
regionally
representative
to
know
what
the
needs
are
in
those
regions
and
to
provide
professional
learning
and
support
to
the
adults
who
are
working
in
those
buildings
right
now,
and
we
have
done
that
through
the
design
and
collaboration
with
Kia.
With
gear
up
with
our
local
schools,
with
our
universities
and
community
colleges,
so
we
have
representation
to
bring
these
folks
together.
C
To
say
what
is
the
absolute
pivotal
must-have
things
to
equip
our
adults
to
work
with
families
and
students
we
are
currently
into
our
third
or
fourth
month
of
providing
online
webinars.
We
know
that
people
cannot
leave
their
buildings
because
we
don't
have
subs,
and
so
how
can
we?
We
provide
just-in-time
information
and
support,
so
we've
done
webinars
podcasts.
We
have
social
media
presence
and
then
we're
also
working
regionally
to
provide
two
face-to-face
one
in
the
fall
and
one
in
the
spring,
really
mainly
to
focus
on
what
resources
we
already
have
available
in
this
state.
C
So,
for
example,
one
of
the
things
as
you
well
know:
October
FAFSA
kickoff,
is
many
people.
Many
adults
in
our
buildings
are
very
intimidated
by
FAFSA,
it's
not
friendly,
and
so,
if
our
adults
in
the
school
buildings
are
intimidated,
it's
very
hard
to
talk
to
families
and
students
about
that.
So
that's
one
of
our
areas,
so
we
actually
brought
Kia
on
to
help
Elevate
their
supports
and
resources.
C
C
Actually,
the
Dual
credit
scholarships
advising
is
a
real
piece
that
that
is
weak
across
the
Commonwealth,
but
it
is
absolutely
essential,
and
not
just
for
students
for
families
too,
and
so
we
had
a
great
conversation
actually
yesterday
in
Northern
Kentucky
about
these
same
topics
and
needs
to
really
Elevate
this
and
to
your
point,
representative
Tipton.
We
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do
to
get
these
students.
They
have
to
be
literate,
they
have
to
be.
C
So
our
approach
is
more
to
invest
in
the
adults
who
are
investing
in
our
kids,
who
are
staying
in
the
schools
who
are
working
in
our
communities,
because
those
are
the
ones
who
are
going
to
be
here,
whether
it's
a
budget
year
or
not,
or
whether
we
have
an
initiative.
But
how
do
we
invest
in
the
people?
Who
are
there
already?
So
I?
Don't
know
if
that
addresses
your
question
specifically.
A
A
C
D
A
D
Before
the
pandemic,
it
was
about
40
million
after
the
pandemic
or
during
the
pandemic.
However,
you
want
to
state
that
we're
probably
over
50
million
now,
not
only
that
they've
expanded
the
guidelines
which
made
it
go
up
more.
That's
how
much
we're
losing
federal
dollars
that
we're
leaving
on
the
table
and
it's
very
proud
you
know,
I've
supported
mandatory
I-
think
we
need
to
help
students
I'll
just
throw
this
in
quickly.
We
should
students
should
be.
We
should
be
weeding
in
students,
as
I've
said.
In
other
words,
college
should
be
an
opt-out
item.
D
Now
like
high
school,
it
used
to
be
I
mean
we
have
to
have
it,
and
FAFSA
is
a
way
for
a
state
like
Kentucky
who
needs
the
dollars,
our
kids
that's
one
of
the
pieces,
so
we
we
have
to
start
thinking
really
along
those
lines.
In
my
opinion,
and
not
just
how
much
bureaucratic,
crazy
stuff
it
cost
us,
but
we're
gonna
have
to
start
thinking
about
these
kids
and
where
they
need
to
go.
That's
not
what
you
asked
so
I'm.
Sorry
again,.
A
That's
all
right
now
you
talk
about
40,
50
million
federal
dollars.
That's
primary
Pell
Grants
and
students
who
are
pale
eligible
in
Kentucky
are
also
eligible
for
the
cap
or
ktg
Grant.
So
those
are
additional
dollars.
They
could
be
utilizing
to
make
College
more
affordable
and
have
success.
I
have
a
question
from
co-chair
West
and
then
we're
going
to
close
it
off.
Go
to
our
next
item.
Thank
you.
Mr.
H
Chair
what
age
or
grade
level
does
the
counseling
start
now?
Don't
know
the
answer
to
that
question?
Hopefully
you
do.
C
It's
in
law
that
that
sixth
graders
are
supposed
to
do
their
individual
learning
plan,
which
was
the
goal
around
that,
as
many
of
you
all
know,
is
to
really
start
career
planning
and
exposure
to
what
students
can
take
advantage
of
in
high
school
and
to
be
looking
forward
to
possible
careers
and
how
to
get
there.
It
really
varies
on
what
they
do
a
lot
of
times.
It
may
be
a
classroom
of
students
filling
out
their
IOP,
but
the
one-on-one
work
with
strategic
approach
really
varies
by
District.
C
What
this
world
looks
like
right
now
is
so
different
than
than
when
we
were
we're
students,
and
so
you
know
definitely
Middle
School
is
pivotal
time
that
often
gets
overlooked,
but
middle
and
high
are
essential
and,
like
we
said
early
and
often
is
absolutely
what
we're
promoting
and
we
see
that
it's
very
predictive.
You
know,
ninth
grade
what
we're
looking
at
with
ninth
grade
GPA,
which
really
goes
back
to
eighth
grade
performance
attendance
behaviors,
all
that
is
predictive
of
high
school,
graduation
and
matriculation
into
a
post-secondary
decision.
D
H
Yeah,
when
I
went
to
high
school,
you
know
you,
hey
I,
need
to
start
thinking
about
college
as
a
junior
senior,
but
clearly
too
late.
The
bare
minimum
Middle
School
eighth
grade
is
when,
yes,
you
need
to
be
two
to
three
years
ahead
of
the
game,
to
even
prepare
yourself
for
those
opportunities,
you're
taking
college
classes
and
Junior.
Seeing
yourself
that's
right,
you
answer
my
question:
it's
not
uniform
and
it's
not
being
carried
out
as
it
should.
D
We
see
that
disparity
happening
clear
there
and
that
those
wraparound
services
and
those
thoughts
and
those
ideas
and
those
possibilities,
I'm
telling
people
you
don't
have
to
choose
a
career,
then
we
should
be
offering
them
the
possibilities,
the
ranges,
the
understanding
and
the
hope
and
the
resilience
and
the
things
they
need
to
do
to
reach
any
of
these
experiences
that
they
may
need
to
have
so
I'm,
even
asking
us
to
think
differently
about
even
how
we
traditionally
think
about
this,
because
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
be
far
more
holistic
in
the
way
we
do.
D
A
I
Good
morning,
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee
I'm
joined
with
my
colleagues
first
off
I'm,
Ronald,
Johnson
and
I'm.
The
interim
president
at
Kentucky,
State
University
I'm
joined
by
my
colleagues
to
my
left,
is
Dr.
Bridget
Goldman,
who
joined
us
on
August
22nd
I'll,
have
her
do
a
a
brief
introduction
of
herself
after
I
introduce
the
other
members
and
after
of
course,
we
have
sworn
in
to
my
right.
You've
met
Dr
Burnett,
who
is
the
interim
chief
of
staff
and
then
to
my
far
right.
A
I
J
Yep,
it's
scary,
now
yeah
great
good
morning,
Bridget
Bridget,
Elliott
Goldman.
My
experience
in
higher
education
ranges
back
from
really
graduate
school.
I
have
a
degree
in
Master's
in
student,
Personnel,
Services
and
counseling.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
representative
talked
about
the
counseling
and
the
counseling
services
and
I
have
25
plus
years
of
experience
at
different
colleges,
ranging
from
two-year
junior
colleges
to
senior
research
institutions
to
Community
College
and
also
historically,
why
colleges
hbcus.
So
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
here.
I
Thank
you,
Dr
Goldman,
I'd,
like
to
just
take
a
moment
before
we
get
started
to
one.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
provide
updates,
I'm,
reminded
of
a
story.
I
I
I
So
you
know
actually
I
really
wanted
to
describe
that
with
more
technical
medical
language
about
how
that
person
died
and
I'm
going
to
draw
from
the
sagely
words
of
strothermore
Martin
in
one
of
my
most
one
of
my
favorite
movies,
where
I'm
just
drawing
from
him,
where
I
say
that
the
person
died
from
failure
to
communicate.
I
So
the
purpose
of
coming
here
is
to
communicate
so
that
we
won't
choke
the
death.
I
So
today's
presentation
has
three
components
to
it
and,
of
course,
questions
not
listed
on
there,
but
questions,
and
so
I'll
begin
with
an
update
of
the
three-phase
plan
for
KSU
that
I
talked
about
in
the
past
mm-hmm
and
the
three
phases
have
stabilization
as
a
goal
performance
as
the
third
goal
and
sustainability
as
as
the
third
goal.
Each
one
of
these
goals,
of
course,
are
Guided
by
the
requirements
on
HB
250,
so
stabilization.
I
Actually,
overlaps
phase
one
and
phase
two
and
stable
I'm,
sorry
sub
section,
one
of
HP
250
overlaps
phase,
one
and
phase
two
subsection
2
of
HP
250
is
largely
in
phase
two
and
then
there's
phase
three
five
and
seven.
They
all
fall
into
the
the
subsections.
Three
five
and
seven
of
HB
250
fall
under
phase
three
sustainability.
I
We
are
squarely
in
in
the
first
phase
and
the
first
phase
largely
involves
de-risking.
I
The
university
has
a
bunch
of
risk
and-
and
there
are
risks
that
are-
are
existential,
also
known
as
killer
risk,
and
so
we've
had
to
focus
on
the
calories.
If
you
don't
focus
on
The
Killers,
then
guess
what
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
anything
else,
and
so
we
focus
on
the
killer
risks
and
the
100
plus
days
that
I've
I've
been
on
board
and
focusing
on
the
killer
risk.
I
The
first
thing
you
have
to
do
is
discover
where
they
are
and
and
what
are
the
ways
in
which
to
mitigate
them
and
then
come
up
with
an
action
plan
to
to
actually
deal
with
them.
I
So
the
first
set
of
killer
risks
I'm
going
to
ask
my
colleague,
Dr
Burnett,
to
talk
about.
K
Good
morning,
representative,
Tifton
and
fellow
colleagues
on
the
bench,
it's
indeed
a
pleasure
to
give
you
an
update
on
the
condition
of
the
facilities
at
Kentucky
State
within
the
first
10
minutes
that
a
parent
and
their
students
are
shopping
around
on
campus.
They
have
made
a
decision
just
the
way
the
campus
looks.
K
K
K
As
you
can
see
at
the
top
of
the
building
on
the
left,
when
you
don't
clean
your
gutters
blow
the
leaves
and
Limbs
and
the
debris
out
on
an
annual
basis,
obviously
the
water
begins
to
seep
over
or
in
cause
intrusion
inside
of
the
building
which
I'll
share
with
you
later.
But
that's
what
you
see
there.
You
got
receptacles
that
are
not
being
empty
on
a
regular
basis.
K
You
have
some
of
the
infrastructure
very,
very
beautiful
campus,
but
a
lot
of
the
buildings
are
not
being
well
kept
from
a
deferred
maintenance
perspective
and,
as
you
can
see
there
at
the
bottom,
two
slides
where
you
have
a
gutter
in
the
pipe,
even
though
the
pipe
is
not
connected.
Water
is
not
running
through,
because
the
gutter
is
on
top
of
the
roof
are
full
of
leaves
and
other
debris.
K
Next
slide
go
to
the
next
one,
a
lot
of
rain
in
our
area,
but
when
it
rains
it
causes
erosion,
and
when
you
don't
have
shrubberies
in
a
strategic
location,
you
could
begin
to
see
the
deterioration
of
the
grounds
again,
keep
in
mind.
First
10
minutes
that
these
parents
and
students
are
walking
around
campus,
and
this
is
what
they're,
seeing
when
you
don't
seal
the
concrete
walkways
over
time.
K
K
This
is
what
they
see
when
it's
low
staff
when
it
comes
to
custodial
support
housekeeping
those
kind
of
things,
even
in
the
restrooms,
where
you
have
soap
sitting
in
dispensers
over
a
period
of
time
and
not
being
cleaned.
And
then
you
could
see
on
the
very
last
slide
to
the
left,
where
there's
rain
intrusion
and
our
fist
our
fitness
center
as
Exum.
That's
what
the
athletes
are
currently
and
students
that
are
working
out.
K
That's
what
they're
experiencing
right
now
same
same
facility
bugs
not
being
swept
cleaned
up
dispensers
and
not
being
empty
mechanical
units
that
are
inoperable
rain
intrusion
through
the
roof
and
not
being
maintained,
buckets
catching
rain
and
sitting
for
weeks
at
a
time
before,
someone
comes
and
emptying
out
waiting
for
the
next
storm
to
come.
K
But
those
are
the
conditions
that
we
are
currently
experiencing
at
Kentucky
state,
dining
hall,
carpet
being
not
clean
on
a
regular
basis
to
a
point
where,
even
if
you
try
to
clean
it,
it's
been
stained
for
so
long.
It's
very
difficult
to
get
the
the
the
the
discoloration
out
of
the
out
of
the
carpet
in
our
dining
facility.
K
Next
slide
another
view
of
the
fitness
center.
This
is
where
our
athletes
are
working
out.
Basketball,
football
teams
they're
doing
well
we're
winning
ball
games,
but
these
are
the
conditions
they're
being
faced
with
when
it
comes
to
getting
themselves
in
shape
and
preparation
to
compete
against
other
schools.
K
Self-Explanatory.
Don't
need
to
go
any
further.
Next
slide
mechanical
rooms,
a
lot
of
folks
don't
see
those.
But
when
we
had
our
assessment,
we
were
able
to
go
in
the
back
rooms
and
we
made
other
discoveries.
The
important
thing
here:
it's
costly
when
these
old
obsolete
mechanical
units
go
down
and
becomes
an
emergency,
it
drains
our
resources.
So
you
can
see
the
CFO
nodding
his
head,
because
these
are
work
orders.
They
have
to
be
processed
immediately
in
order
to
remedy
problems
that
are
occurring
in
our
back
rooms
or
in
our
mechanical
rooms.
K
That
problem
over
to
the
left
is
not
a
shoot
for
Santa
Claus
to
come
through,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
second
or
third
date
I
was
here
in
August
we
had
a
rainstorm.
K
It
looks
like
that
today,
absolutely
no
actions
taken
to
repair
completely
the
roof
with
the
rain
or
the
air
conditioning
unit
intrusion
of
water,
and
then
you
could
see
along
the
edge
also
there
in
the
president's
area,
where
rain
is
coming
through
the
roof,
because
there's
not
a
assessment
of
roof
repair
work
to
be
done
as
well
as
another
mechanical
air,
conditioner
or
HVAC
units
that
not
working
and
the
envelope
the
seal
that
goes
around
the
window
in
the
summertime.
K
It
wasn't
so
bad,
but
now
it's
getting
cool
that
air
is
coming
straight
into
the
office.
So
next
slide,
but
go
back
to
the
previous
slide.
We
yeah
before
I
turn
the
program
over
to
Dr
Goldman,
one
of
the
things
I
learned
when
I
was
a
young
captain
at
the
Pentagon.
K
The
general
said
never
come
with
a
problem
unless
you
have
a
solution
and
one
of
the
things
that
Dr
Johnson
and
I
in
the
other
campus
constituents
who
are
looking
at
a
professional
facility
management
company,
we're
in
the
early
negotiating
stages
with
someone
that
can
come
in
and
help
us
remedy
these
problems.
We're
not
too
sure
how
much
that's
going
to
cost,
and
we
may
end
up
having
to
come
to
you
all
for
some
assistance
in
covering
the
cost
of
these
things.
K
But
we
have
to
make
sure
that
we're
able
to
attract
our
students,
keep
them
here
and
graduate
them
and
the
same
thing
with
all
of
the
other
constituency
faculty
and
staff
they're
also
being
exposed
to
all
these
atrocious
situations
that
I've
just
shared
with
you
so
I
just
wanted
to,
or
we
just
wanted
to
share
these
issues
with
you,
because
then
that
ties
right
back
to
what
you
read
in
the
paper
when
it
comes
to
the
Declaration
of
in
of
emergency
of
Kentucky
State.
Thank
you,
sir.
I
As
I
mentioned,
we're
focused
on
killer
risk.
That's
the
first
thing,
and
one
area
of
killer
is
that
this
committee
is
well
aware
of.
Is
the
lack
of
capability
in
our
Finance
and
Accounting
area?
I
I'm,
going
to
be
honest
with
you
I,
just
after
listening
to
this
for
a
few
weeks,
I
said
enough
of
this
we're
going
to
actually
bring
in
a
team
to
get
the
Finance
and
Accounting
area
straight
train
the
people
that
we
currently
have
and
augment
them
until
we
get
so
I
can
actually
have
information
that
I
need
for
decision
making,
and
so
that's
a
third
that's
a
second
area.
A
third
area
that
was
that
is
an
existential
risk,
is,
of
course,
beside
people
running
away
when
they
come
and
see
the
facilities.
I
We
don't
really
have
a
a
a
realistic
Enrollment,
Services
student
experience
and
career
focus
and,
as
a
result,
I
asked
our
board
to
approve
a
restructuring
of
those
those
areas
combining
them
together,
so
that
we
cover
from
recruitment
to
retirement,
for
the
students
and
Dr
Goldman
will
talk
a
bit
about
the
restructuring.
J
Representative,
you
mentioned
Counseling.
J
You
go
representative,
you
mentioned
Counseling
and
Advising,
and
the
importance
of
Counseling
and
Advising
we've
talked
a
little
bit
earlier
about
the
importance
of
getting
students
really
early.
You
know
our
students,
the
student
said.
Yes,
you
are
students
that
our
first
generation
low
income
and
they
already
have
risk
many
of
them
coming
in
okay,
90
plus
percent
of
our
students
receive
financial
aid
or
on
financial
aid,
receive
financial
aid.
J
Okay,
it's
important
to
have
an
organizational
structure
that
from
the
very
first
when
their
prospective
students
that
can
support
them
with
wraparound
services
from
the
very
beginning,
when
they're,
even
thinking
about
college
KSU,
to
not
just
graduation
but
being
an
alumin,
really
retirement,
and
so
it
was
important.
I've
been
on
been
on
campus.
J
What
seven
weeks
at
this
point,
but
one
of
the
very
first
things,
was
to
make
sure
that
we
had
an
organizational
structure
that
holistically
supports
the
student
from
the
very
beginning,
as
Dr
Johnson
said
from
you
know
the
whole
recruitment
piece
all
the
way
through
the
retirement
piece,
and
so
we
restructured
the
area
we
just
something
that
was
passed
last
last
week
and
we're
starting
with
an
AVP
of
Student
Success
Enrollment
Services
to
help
with
their
recruitment
function
and
getting
all
those
functions
aligned
properly.
J
So
we
can
do
what's
necessary
to
get
those
students
that
have
the
different
experiences.
You
know
the
high
need
the
high
touch,
students,
okay,
it
is
about
de-risking,
okay.
We
know
that
our
students
have
challenges
to
begin
with.
Okay,
we
want
to
provide
an
environment
where
there's
economic,
economic,
Mobility,
okay,
but
we
have
to
start
at
the
very
beginning
when
they
first
start
thinking
about
college
okay
to
get
them
through
the
whole
process.
J
So
that's
important
for
us
to
Career
Services,
all
right
to
academic
advising
the
whole
piece,
and
so
the
model
was
such
that
we
have
the
support
on
the
front
end.
The
recruitment
piece
we
have
the
support,
while
they're
currently
enrolled
with
the
Counseling
and
Advising,
as
you
talked
about
representative
Tipton,
and
also
for
the
career
services
model
and
then
also
the
campus
life
function
prior
to
the
restructure.
I
So
in
terms
of
restructuring,
in
addition
to
restructuring
tools
that
we
need
to
help
in
terms
of
the
wraparound
Services,
the
recruitment
Partnerships
that
we
need
empowerment
we
are
implementing.
This
is
something
that
started
before
I
arrived.
It
won't
be
implemented
until
the
fall
of
next
year,
but
degree
works.
I
Now,
that's
kind
of
strange
because
I
was
a
dean
in
the
mountains
of
North
Carolina
in
2007,
2006
2007,
we
introduced
degree
works
up
there,
and
so
here
it
is
2022
and
Kentucky
state
is
now
introducing
that,
and
so,
but
also
personal
personalization,
because
as
you'll
see
when
I
talk
about
the
enrollment
and
and
retention,
personalization
is
really
important.
It's
not
one
size
fits
all.
If
it
were,
then
I
would
like
to
be
a
size
32,
waist,
mm-hmm.
I
Okay,
on
this
slide,
this
slide
just
simply
reports
as
of
the
14th
of
of
September,
what
our
enrollment
numbers
are.
These
numbers
have
been
reported
to
CPE,
obviously
since
that
day,
because
these
numbers
do
move
around
that
we
do
not
have.
We
don't
have
our
final
numbers
until
I
guess
it's
November
1st
for
the
U.S
Department
of
Education,
but,
as
you
can
see
from
these
numbers
in
as
of
the
14th
of
September
2022,
there
were
full-time
undergraduates
of
12
1293
students
and
part-time
58..
I
If
you
look
at
the
the
far
right
hand
column
with
this
difference,
you
notice
that
the
number
of
full-time
students
increase
and
the
number
of
part-time
students
decreased.
That
actually
is
to
the
good,
because
full-time
students,
of
course
provide
more
Revenue
to
the
institution
and
down
below.
When
we
look
at
The
Graduate
students
and
look
at
the
far
right
hand
column,
you
see
that
there
are
more
full-time
students
and
fewer
part-time
students
and
that
probably
pretty
much
Nets
out
next
slide.
I
I
I
Enrollment
is
not
simply
who
you
bring
in
today,
so
I'd
like
to
enjoy
your
attention
to
the
first
column,
the
first
green
column,
2017
and
then,
if
you
look
down
you'll
see
and
you
see
hashtag
for
number
in
2017,
there
were
265
first
time
first
year,
students
who
came
to
Kentucky
State
University.
I
If
you
go
down
to
further
down
in
that
column,
you
see
the
blue
row
and
you
see
that
there
were
611
students
that
were
already
in
the
pipeline
they're
coming
into
2017,
and
then
there
were,
if
you
go
down
below
that
blue
row,
you'll
see
that
there
are
where
145
students
who
who
well
let
me
step
back
in
the
in
the
six
right,
145
students
that
were
not
actually
that
came
back
from
the
past.
I
So
this
ghost
returning
from
the
past
the
ghosts
of
Christmas,
Past
and
so
and
then
the
next
line
are
the
number
of
people
who
transferred
in
to
a
total,
giving
you
a
total
of
1158
students.
This
does
not
include
dual
credit
students.
I
I
I
There
are
hosts
of
factors,
you
know
I've
I've,
you
know,
I've
looked
at
and
and
not
just
as
a
Dean
or
a
president
I
mean
I've.
Looked
at
these
issues
for
a
long
time
and
basically
the
the
four
categories.
Some
people
may
have
some
subcategories.
But
if
you
look
at
the
columns
to
the
right
hand,
side
transfer
out
stop
outs
off
track
dropouts.
I
That
means
that
those
particular
areas
on
the
right
hand
side
actually
apply
to
each
one
of
these
categories:
affordability,
value,
homesickness,
not
the
right
environment,
and
you
saw
those
pictures
and
all
of
these
go
into
into
the
mix.
In
order
to
actually
build
out
the
enrollment,
we
actually
have
to
understand
that
level
of
detail,
because
that's
what
drives
that
big
red
row-
and
you
can't
do
that
overnight
but
then
also
you
can't
do
it.
I
I
Of
the
legislature,
and
so
I
want
to
be
very,
very
clear
on
the
right
hand,
side
if
you
look
at
the
table
on
the
right
hand,
side
those
numbers
there
are
retention
numbers
as
defined
by
the
department
of
U.S
Department
of
Education
retention
by
the
in
terms
of
the
U.S
Department
of
Education
are
people
who
who
have
come
to
the
school,
and
that's
really
you
know
the
people
who've
come
to
the
school
and
as
a
first
time
first
year
student
and
then
came
back
the
next
semester.
I
I'll
show
you
well
I,
don't
show.
I
won't,
show
you
but
I'll
point
out
now,
but
then
also
point
out
why
that
number
matters
for
some
institutions,
but
actually
obfuscates,
what's
goes
on,
remember
I
talked
about.
Are
you
sure
the
Martha
Martin
for
those
people
who
are
familiar
with
the
movie?
Okay,
that
failure
to
communicate
becomes
a
problem?
I
What's
most
important
for
an
institution
like
Kentucky
State
University?
That
has
the
mix
of
first
time
in
college
are
underrepresented,
minorities
and
people
with
low
income,
but
all
three
of
those
together,
that's
the
that's
the
population
of
Kentucky
State
University.
I
You
need
to
understand
that
the
table
to
the
left
is
a
more
provides
more
information,
especially
for
planning
and
budgeting
than
the
table
to
the
right.
The
table
to
the
left
is
the
progression
number.
I
So,
if
you
take
to
the
the
cohort
that
came
in
in
2017
as
a
freshman
and
in
2018,
you
see
that
in
the
top
top
the
Top
Line
there,
31.85
or
32
percent
of
those
students
were
actually
sophomores.
I
I
Now
what
that
means
is
that
those
people
that
came
back
that
were
not
sophomores
had
to
repeat
classes,
which
means
that
their
cost
of
attendance
really
is
going
up.
The
debt
is
really
going
up
and
as
a
result,
if
they
don't
make
it
through
the
first,
the
second
time
they
come
around,
then
they
drop
out
and
they
leave
with
debt
and
they
leave
the
university
on
the
hook.
I
I
If
you
look
to
the
left
and
you
look
at
progression,
32
percent
were
were
came,
came
back
as
sophomores
and
in
five
years,
21
graduate
why
it's
important
is
because
the
progression
rate
is
what
correlates
for
an
institution
like
Kentucky,
State
University,
so
I
did
not
put
this
in
in
in,
because
I
don't
have
a
long
long
history.
I
When
you
look
at
University
of
Kentucky
University
of
Kentucky's
retention
rate
is
86
percent
graduation
rate
68.
Can
you
see
how
that
model
works?
Eastern,
Kentucky,
74,
graduation
rate,
48,
Western,
Kentucky,
73,
54
for
graduation
rate,
Universal,
Louisville,
77,
62
percent,
because
they
don't
have
the
same
concentration
of
students?
These
students
are
Diamonds
in
the
Rough.
I
They
are
first
generation
underrepresented
minorities
who
don't
have
any
income
I'm
one
of
those
people.
Now
I
was
in
that
I'm
in
a
rough
I
was
like
a
rock
okay,
but
nonetheless,
you
know
I
was
able
to
to
make
something
of
myself
Diamonds
in
the
Rough,
when
I
work
for
the
international
monetary
fund,
I
had
to
work
on
Botswana,
and
one
of
my
responsibilities
was
to
figure
out
the
value
of
a
diamond,
so
I
actually
went
to
the
diamond
mines
and
from
the
diamond
mines.
I
I
went
to
debaswana
where
they
actually
take
those
rough
diamonds
and
they
cleaned
them
up
and
they
sort
them
into
industrial
and
different
types
of
of
jewelry
grade.
Interestingly,
in
there
all
the
people
who
had
jumpsuits
no
pockets
no
seams
anything
because
you
can't,
because
diamonds
are
valuable,
then
I
went
to
Antwerp
where
they
cut
the
diamonds,
and
then
I
went
to
London
to
the
central
selling
organization
where
under
the
beers
they
sell
they
only
in
those
years.
I
They
only
had
300
members
in
the
world
that
that
actually
sold
the
diamonds,
diamonds
and
rough
are
very,
very
valuable,
they're
valuable
because
it
reduces
risk.
It
reduces
the
cost
of
crime.
They
reduce
all
these
things,
plus
they
add
value
directly
to
the
coffers
of
the
society
and,
as
a
result,
it's
important
that.
We
then
understand
that
we
have
to
accept
wrap
around
services
and
do
these
types
of
things
that
the
things
that
are
necessary
to
personalize
The
Experience,
so
that
we
can
actually
get
the
value
out
of
the
diamonds.
K
K
January
is
because
our
student
began
to
return
back
to
campus
around
the
8th
or
9th
of
January,
so
we're
currently
working
a
transitional
plan
to
temporarily
house
those
individuals,
hopefully
on
campus,
but
we
don't
know
that
yet,
based
on
how
many
kids
are
going
to
be
returning
for
the
spring
semester,
but
but
the
but
the
facility
is
opening
up
on
the
latter.
Part
of
January.
K
All
of
the
components
are
being
integrated
into
the
building.
As
you
can
see,
the
network
security
cameras,
Washington
dryers,
have
been
ordered
and
they're
due
to
arrive
in
December
Furniture,
which
is
key,
but
after
the
Christmas
or
holiday
break
early
January
began
installing
and
the
furniture.
So
all
of
those
areas
as
it
relates
to
the
university
new
residential
hall,
is
moving
along
very,
very,
very
well.
We're
expecting
to
have
the
punch
list
in
the
mid-January
time
frame
where
we
actually
take
a
look
at
any
of
those
deficiencies.
K
It
will
be
working
with
the
contractors
and
getting
those
remedy
and
and
the
only
things
that
may
be
not
a
hindrance,
but
something
that
we're
going
to
have
to
work
out
is
right.
Now
the
ribbon
cutting
ceremony,
which
we
wish
you
all,
would
be
in
attendance
and
we'll
keep
you
apprised
of
those
dates.
The
building
naming
of
those
one
of
the
things
that
the
contractor
is
asking
us
about,
but
the
long
pole
in
the
tent
there's
an
area
there
within
the
building
set
aside
for
a
dining
facility
or
dining
room
entity.
K
So
we're
going
to
have
to
work
that
out
with
our
either
our
transportation
consultant
that
can
come
in
and
advise
us
on
how
best
to
address
that
particular
concern.
But
at
the
end
of
the
day
this
is
a
good
news,
though
we're
extremely
excited
the
students
are
excited.
So
we'll
keep
you
a
prize
on
how
the
new
residential
hall
is
coming
along.
K
At
the
end
of
the
day,
there's
only
71
students
who
are
coming
from
families
who
can
afford
to
send
their
kids
to
Kentucky
state
only
71
students,
all
the
other
kids,
have
to
rely
on
some
eight,
either
from
the
state
of
Kentucky
or
from
the
federal
government
when
it
comes
to
pale
subsidized
and
unsubsidized
lone
Parent
PLUS.
But
the
end
of
the
day
we
have
a
large
number
of
our
kids
who
have
outstanding
balances,
as
you
can
see
in
the
various
different
categories.
We'll
continue
to
work
with
these
students.
K
Another
good
news
story
is
that
the
majority
when
I
say
majority
over
90
percent
of
these
kids
got
grade.
Point
averages
above
2.0,
so
they're
ready
for
college.
So
we
don't
want
to
kick
them
out,
but
we're
going
to
try
to
work
with
them
to
find
ways
for
them
to
be
able
to
afford
to
stay
at
Kentucky
state
and
if
they
stay
at
Kentucky
State,
they
graduate
and
if
they
graduate
guess
where
they're
going
to
look
for
employment
in
this
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky.
K
Here
are
some
of
the
steps
when
we
do
get
them
in
our
payment
plan,
we'll
continue
to
communicate
with
them
through
these
various
different
sources
of
our
platforms
and
we'll
also
begin
sending
personal
letters
not
only
to
them
as
an
individual
but
to
their
homes
and
we're
going
to
follow
the
FERPA
laws
and
all
the
other
restrictions
when
it
comes
to
communicating
with
students.
K
But
when
those
letters
go
to
the
home,
sometimes
mom
and
dads
may
open
the
envelope
and
see
how
much
they
owe
the
institution
instead
of
getting
a
watch
or
some
other
tangible
gift.
Maybe
they'll
get
a
monetary
gift
for
Christmas
to
help
remedy
their
debt,
but
those
are
the
communication
venues
that
we're
going
to
begin
implementing
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
these
balances
are
paid
off
before
the
kids
graduate
from
college
next
slide.
I
Well,
thank
you
and
Mr
chairman.
You
know.
We
are,
of
course,
at
the
end
of
our
presentation,
but
I'm
ready
for
the
questions
from
the
committee.
Okay,.
A
I
have
a
question
from
chairman
McDaniel.
F
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
and
by
way
of
a
couple
of
welcomes
here,
first
to
Dr,
Johnson
your
reputation
as
an
economist
that
definitely
precedes
you
and
it's
good
to
be
in
the
same
room
and
having
these
conversations
with
you
and
certainly
I,
did
not
realize
your
work
at
the
the
diamond
mines
but
I
just
recently
finished
a
book
called
the
Looting
machine.
F
Dealing
with
you
know
discussing
lots
of
the
areas
that
surround
resource
extraction
in
Africa
and
I
knew
about
some
of
your
other
work,
but
didn't
realize
you
had
done
that.
So
welcome.
Welcome
aboard
and
thank
you
for
taking
what
will
prove
to
be,
hopefully
a
thankful
task
in
the
long
term,
but
for
a
while,
it's
probably
going
to
be
exceptionally
thankless
and
then
to
Dr
Burnett.
F
We
never
got
tents,
so
you
know
welcome
aboard
as
well
and
I
I
wish
you
both
this
success
in
this
endeavor.
That
means
that
I
want
to
give
you
a
10-year
history.
Just
briefly
of
what
I
I
will
describe
is
is
some
pretty
immense
frustration
in
in
working
with
the
Kentucky
State
crew,
and
you
will
now
be
my
fourth
Administration
where
I've
said.
F
I
can't
blame
you
personally
for
the
way
things
are,
but
they
are
where
they
are,
and
you
know,
as
we
heard
in
the
last
presentation,
you
guys
have
a
moral
imperative
that
the
students
who
enroll
graduate
with
a
degree
that's
worth
something
and
I
cannot
say
that
for
my
limited
time
in
the
Kentucky
General
Assembly
Kentucky
state
has
met
that
mission.
F
They
did
Kentucky
state
was
a
good
institution,
it
was
a
proud
institution,
it
was
a
competitive
Institution
and
it's
not
I
mean
every
data
point
that
you
put
up
there
and
many
that
you
didn't
reflect
that
it
is
not
and
I
want
to
see.
It
turned
around.
I
really
really
really
do,
but
I
think
that
the
slides
you
present
really
told
the
story
of
where
the
institution
is
and
and
I
kind
of,
took
notes.
F
We
had
one
about
organizational
structure,
two
about
residence,
halls
and
unpaid
bills,
and
planning
for
about
enrollment
and
12
complaining
about
the
state
of
the
fiscal
plant
that
is
Kentucky
state
in
a
lot
of
those
little
things:
gutter,
cleaning,
trash,
pickup,
that's
just
culture,
that's
a
bad
culture
that
allows
those
things
now
some!
You
know
we
made
some
good
Investments
this
time
around.
I
think
you
know,
but
I
want
to
walk
you
through
some
Financial
frustrations
that
I
know
a
lot
of
us
share.
F
Okay,
let
me
give
you
a
bit
of
a
timeline
from
from
our
seat.
In
the
spring
of
2021,
Kentucky
State
came
as
a
result
of
the
last
turnaround
plan
that
was
supposed
to
be
functional
and
I
can
remember
this
big
glossy,
like
it
was
yesterday
with
these
green
check,
marks
where
we're
meeting
every
single
objective
in
March
of
2021.
F
and
then
in
August
of
2021
I
show
up
I
pick
up
the
paper
and
there's
an
article
about
a
23
million
dollar
hole
in
the
budget,
and
then
we
show
up
for
session
and
are
asked
to
fund
that
this
January
and
then
at
the
end
of
session,
get
another
15
million
dollar
request,
and
this
is,
after
years
of
you
know,
when
all
post-secondary
was
taking
cuts
and
Dr
Thompson
will
remember
these
painful
times
that
we
dealt
with
as
we
dealt
with
the
pension
plan
in
the
state
right.
F
K-State
was
the
only
place
that
not
only
didn't
take
Cuts
got
an
increased
appropriation,
and
this
has
been
the
pattern
for
the
the
decade
of
limited
service
that
I
have
had
here,
and
so
we
have
a
lot
of
frustration
with
where
the
university
has
been
and
I
will
tell
you
Dr
Johnson
to
to
something
that
you
alluded
to
there,
but
didn't
say
when
the
search
for
firm
for
the
next
president
called-
and
they
interviewed
me-
and
they
were
kind
enough
to
allow
me
to
provide
comment.
F
I
said
I
hope
they
bring
in
someone
who
will
fire.
Everyone
and
I
still
mean
that
today
and
you
fire
anybody.
You
need
to
fire
to
make
that
place.
Do
what
it
needs
to
do
to
meet
the
moral
imperative
to
those
kids
and
you'll
have
the
backing
of
this
General
Assembly.
Nothing
can
be
sacred
over
there
because,
ultimately,
we're
bringing
these
young
people
in
your
retention
rates.
F
F
We
want
to
see
you
succeed,
but
I
would
also
say.
The
general
assembly
is
probably
at
the
end
of
its
Financial
patience
with
Kentucky
State
University,
and
so
we
really
need
you
to
come
with
a
good,
solid
financial
plan
and
of
all
people.
Your
background
says
that
you
ought
to
be
able
to
do
it
and
we're
confident
in
that,
but
certainly
I
would
anticipate
having
you
guys
back
here
in
a
couple
of
months.
F
You
know
you
get,
let's
get
these
first
couple
of
months
of
the
year
under
your
belt,
but
you
know
when
we
see
you
back
December
January
for
the
full
Appropriations
com
and
revenue
committee,
I'm
going
to
expect
some
good
solid,
even
if
they're,
not
numbers
I
would
like
to
see
but
solid
financials.
F
This
is
where
we're
at
right,
I
mean
and
I
want
them
in
here
a
couple
of
weeks
in
advance
so
that
our
committee
can
pour
through
them,
and
we
know
what
to
do
when
we
head
into
the
next
session,
because
you
know
a
healthy
Kentucky
state
is
good
for
Frankfurt,
it's
good
for
the
Commonwealth,
but
where
it's
been
has
been
too
much
of
a
detriment
to
the
university
system
as
a
whole
and
I
want
to
you
know:
we've
got
to
make
some
decisions
about
how
we
move
forward
and,
like
I,
say
I,
do
thank
you
both
you're,
getting
an
earful
on
on
a
decade's
worth
of
of
situations
that
aren't
of
your
making,
but
I
hope
that
over
the
next
you
know
two
or
three
years
you'll
begin
to
write
that
ship.
A
To
follow
up
on
the
chairman
McDaniel's
comments-
and
you
alluded
to
it
to
President
Johnson
I've
been
asking
about
fiscal
year:
21
audited
financials
for
a
year.
When
can
we
expect
to
have
our
fiscal
year?
21
audit
financials
enter
fiscal
year,
22
audited
financials.
Do
you
have
a
date
in
mind
that
those
will
be
available.
I
Well,
I
can
first
share
with
you
where
we
are
and
then
and
then
I'll
rely
on
my
colleagues
to
the
right
to
give
you
a
sense
of
of
timing
where
we
are.
The
first
thing
was
that
all
of
the
information
had
to
be
collected,
I
believe
and
of
course
we
we
closed
the
books
in
2021.
As
of
September
1st,
oh
I
see
August
31st.
I
We
then
had
to
do
an
RFP.
We
worked
with
CPE
so
that
we
can
get
that
RFP
done
now.
We
are
in
the
procurement
process
and,
and
a
committee
has
been
formed-
that's
led
by
Dr
Burnett
and
has
two
of
our
regions
on
it,
both
of
whom
are
Auditors
to
select
and
also
to
negotiate
the
arrangement
once
that
is
completed,
which
I
expect
it
will
be
done
within
a
week
or
so
we
have
to
have
a
call
meeting
of
the
board.
I
mean.
I
Unfortunately,
these
are
the
processes
to
actually
approve
the
auditor
and
that
that
will
probably
take
place
somewhere
in
the
second
week
or
so
of
November.
And
then
the
audit
will
formally
begin
typically
audits,
take
three
four
months,
but
the
new
auditor
may
want
to
actually
do
more
than
just
tests,
and
so
I
can
let
my
colleagues
share
their
experiences.
I
can
share
my
experience
with
audits
that
are
not
tests.
I
A
firm
I
was
president
of
the
the
the
SEC
randomly
comes
in
and
Audits
and
those
folks
were
bivouac
there
for
weeks.
There
was
nothing
wrong
but
bivouac
for
weeks.
K
But
no
sir
you've
covered
it.
All
we've
already
identified
an
accounting
firm
and
we
hope
to
get
them
on
board
in
the
early
November
time
frame
four
to
six
months,
usually
when
a
new
firm
comes
on
board
because
they
got
to
get
acclimated
to
the
campus
environment
and
the
financials,
they
also
take
a
look
at
the
internal
controls
and
the
policies
and
procedures,
along
with
all
of
the
other
federal
grants
that
we're
responsible.
For.
So
that's.
Why
we're
anticipating?
Four
to
six
months
once
we
bring
the
audit
firm
on
board,
but
processes
are
in.
I
Work
and
then,
if
I'd
like
to
follow
up
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why,
as
well,
to
send
into
McDaniels
question
while
we're
bringing
in
a
complete
team.
So
we
can
actually
see
the
numbers
I'm,
not
sure
if
in
2021
anyone
presented
the
information
that
I
presented
today,
what
I
want
to
be
able
to
do
is
to
be
able
to
show
exactly
what's
going
on
so
and
also
because
if
I
know
exactly
what's
going
on,
then
I
can
actually
come
and
say
either
we
can
fix
it
or
we
can't.
I
If
we
can't
fix
it
and
it's
existential,
then
you
know
the
rest
of
the
story.
If
we
can
fix
it
and
it's
existential,
then
it's
no
longer
a
problem
and
we
move
forward.
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear
that
yes,
the
Finance
and
Accounting
area
has
been
a
shambles
and,
as
a
consequence,
we've
we
have
to
recreate
all
this
information
and
to
actually
build
a
whole
new
team
and
do
things
the
right
way.
I
Part
of
the
reason
why
you
had
all
those
issues
is
because
restricted
and
unrestricted
monies
were
co-mingled,
and
so
you
spend
it
and
then
you
still
have
the
obligation
on
restriction
so
we're
getting
this
place
Ship
Shape.
First,
then
we
then
have
to
look
at
the
next
phase,
which
are
all
of
those
risks
that
are
not
killer
risks,
but
potentially
big
problems
and
resource
eaters
as
we
go
down
the
road.
A
Questions
and
I
think
we're
after
jarring
for
lunch,
co-chair
West.
H
Thank
Mr
chairman
I'll.
Try
to
make
it
quick.
One
thing:
I
can
truly
say
that
I
really
appreciate
is
the
Cool
Hand
Luke
reference.
I,
really
I
really
love
that
movie.
That's
a
great
great
reference,
but
how
many
employees
does
KSU
have
currently.
H
B
We
probably
have
approximately
about
I'll,
say
20,
maybe
25
20.
H
I
B
Yeah
some
some
of
it
can
be
utilized
for
it
if
you're
you're
talking
about
that
assessment
dollar
amount
of
eight
million
dollars
that
you
set
aside,
but
there
have
been
some
restrictions
that
we
have
to
follow.
They
did
elaborate
and
make
it
a
little
broader,
whereas
we're
able
to
deal
with
some
of
the
dormitories
and
utilizing
some
of
those
funds.
H
And
just
for
future
reference,
if
you
need
us
to
come
back
with
some
language
this
session
as
it
pertains
to
you
know
that
there's
some
barriers
there,
where
we
can
open
up
some
of
those
funds
to
go
to
the
boiler
or
go
to
the
HVAC
whatever
you
need.
We
tried
this
session
to
do
that.
But
if,
if
there's
some
language,
you
can
come
to
us
with
that
that
helps
you
out,
please
let
us
know
my
last
comments
are
going
to
go
a
little
bit
hand
in
hand
with
chair
McDaniel's
comments.
H
H
It's
there
have
been
underlying
I'm
stating
an
obvious,
but
there
have
been
underlying
institutional
failures
and
that
have
never
truly
been
remedied
and
times
of
the
essence,
I
guess
and
that's
kind
of
what,
if
you
did
I'm
sure
you
got
that
feeling
from
from
chair
McDaniel
the
reason
you're,
the
new
guy
are
experiencing
a
little
bit
of
pushback.
H
H
But
time
is
of
the
essence
and
we
look
forward
to
working
with
you.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you
I've
been
here
since
2003,
so
this
is
my
20th
year
here,
Mr
Shields.
Would
you
kind
of
just
for
the
committee
tell
your
experience
and
what
you
have
done
in
the
past,
with
other
universities
similar
to
Kentucky
state.
So
they
know
your
background
know
who
you
are
and
what
you
have
done
previously
at
other
campuses,
because
I
think
you
you're
being
a
little
bit
shy
about
the
work
that
you
have
done
in
the
past.
B
Yes,
sir,
well,
you
know
when,
when
you
have
President
Johnson
and
Doc
Burnett
and
Dr
Goldman,
you
know,
I
I
can
be
a
little
shy
because
they're
very
prominent
people
within
themselves
and
have
done
a
lot
of
great
work
with
a
lot
of
the
institutions
they
have.
B
But
I've
worked
with
several
institutions
hbcus,
who
have
had
challenging
and
even
failing
Financial
conditions,
and
a
lot
of
the
things
that
President
Johnson
has
stressed
is
where
we
have
to
put
another
a
solid
foundation
of
our
financial
structure
here
and
I
work
with
schools
such
as
Central
State
up
in
Ohio,
as
well
as
Wally
College,
Texas,
College,
Knoxville,
College,
Talladega
College.
So
these
institutions
have
had
some
of
the
Kentucky
State
University
has
had
some
of
these
same
similar
issues.
B
The
point
point
blank
is
that
when
we
repair
or
when
we
fix
some
of
these
situations
here,
we
need
to
plant
the
seed
strong
enough
where
we
have
changed.
The
culture
change
the
culture
in
being
solid
in
how
we're
going
to
progress
and
make
sure
that
our
procedures
and
our
policies
are
followed
to
the
point
where
the
school
has
a
strong
marching
order
for
the
future
and
I
believe
that
the
team
that
we
have
right
now
and
the
plans
that
President
Johnson
is
putting
forth,
we
will
get
there,
can.
G
K
Yes,
representative
Graham
after
retiring
22
years
in
the
United
States
Air
Force
I
got
into
higher
education,
so
I've
been
in
higher
ed
for
about
15
16
years.
Every
school
that
I've
worked
at
have
had
financial
difficulties
and
have
come
out
of
that
particular
staff
status,
either
with
the
state
such
as
Central
State,
where
that
institution
was
placed
on
fiscal
watch
in
2012.
K
2015.
It
was
the
number
one
HBCU
in
the
nation
same
thing
with
Jackson
State,
the
fourth
largest
HBCU
in
the
nation,
8
000
students
over
200
million
dollar
budget.
But
it
was
under
sanctions
with
the
state
of
Mississippi
in
2019,
because
we
didn't
have
enough
cash
days
of
cash
on
hand
and
in
2020
the
state
relieved,
the
institution,
because
it
started
making
good
progress
by
becoming
more
efficient
with
the
management
of
its
resources
and
became
more
effective
when
it
came
to
integrating
energy
conservation
measures.
And
those
things
did
the
same
thing.
G
Thank
you,
Mr
Mr,
chairman
I'd,
like
to
to
make
a
statement,
but
I
also
want
to
correct
history
and
I.
See.
Most
of
my
colleagues
who
have
have
made
comments
have
left
the
room,
but
Kentucky
state
is
not
in
the
position
that
it
is
and
as
a
graduate
and
I'm
a
damn,
proud
graduate
of
Kentucky
State
University,
but
I
know
in
my
20
years,
when
this
university
has
come
before
us
for
budgeting
issues,
we
have
not
received
what
the
other
schools
have
received.
G
That
is
the
fact
of
the
matter
and
I
I
do
and
I
and
I
and
I
say
this
about
our
chairman.
He
is
an
honorable
man
and
he
has,
as
is
really
trying
to
work
with
the
university
and
I
say
to
you
publicly.
Thank
you
for
all
the
work
that
you
are
are
doing
in
terms
of
working
with
the
university,
but
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
is
that
it
has
never
been
treated
in
the
same
way
that
the
other,
comprehensive
schools
have
been
have
been
able
to
do.
G
They
have
thrived
in
this
the
last
20
years.
Obviously,
the
University
of
Louisville
and
the
University
of
Kentucky
they're
going
to
thrive
regardless
because
of
the
populations
and
and
the
the
alumni
that
they
have.
But
we
cannot
put
this
only
on
Kentucky
State
University.
It
is
also
on
the
general
assembly
because
the
general
assembly
has
not
provided
the
funding
that
the
the
administrations
have
requested
year
after
year
after
year
after
year,
but
I
do
believe
that
we
will
that
Kentucky
state
will
overcome
it.
G
But
this
Commonwealth
has
a
responsibility
to
make
sure
that
we
do
all
things
all
things
possible
to
help
this
University
and
this
University
is
going
to
thrive
because
it
is
already
is
it's
already
shown
its
history,
but
we
need
to
also
take
claim
on
the
irresponsibility
of
not
funding
the
University
at
the
at
the
rate
that
it
has
requested
over,
and
this
is
not
just
in
my
20
years.
It
was
prior
to
it.
G
I
gave
a
little
history
lesson
at
our
conference
when
the
presidents
would
all
come
to
the
governor's
office
to
make
their
presentation,
and
our
president
was
always
the
last
one
to
come
in
and
then
they
didn't
refer
to
him
in
his
name
and
that
President
Dr
Atwood.
Not
only
did
he
request
and
they
gave
money,
but
he
was
very.
G
Focused
on
making
sure
that
the
funding
was
made
and
paid,
and
he
even
sometimes
returned
to
the
state
money
that
he
did
not
use
so
and
the
University
was
underfunded.
Then
so
I
I
want
to
make
sure
that
history.
If
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
history
in
10
years
or
six
years,
we
talk
about
the
history
of
the
University
when
it
came
into
existence
and
how
it
came
into
existence
and
how
funding
has
not
been
provided
in
the
way
that
the
other
universities
have
received
I.
Thank
you,
Mr,
chairman,
for
allowing
me
to.