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A
A
F
A
G
G
G
We
understand
that
the
commonwealth
cannot
suffer
a
lapse
of
these
vital
services,
so
we
are
currently
continuing
the
contract
with
nms
only
so
long
as
necessary
to
complete
the
new
rfp
process
award
a
contract
and
affect
a
smooth
transition.
If
the
vendor
changes
we're
able
to
continue
the
current
contract
with
nms,
because
in
the
resolution
of
the
protest,
the
finance
cabinet
permitted
us
to
utilize
an
emergency
authorization
to
keep
the
contract
in
place
until
we
have
a
new
contract
in
an
effort
to
alleviate
any
and
all
concerns
of
this
committee.
A
Okay,
okay,
thank
you.
The
request
is
that
they
defer.
Is
there
any
discussion
or
is
there
a
motion
that
we
go
ahead
and
defer
this.
D
I'll
make
the
motion
deferred,
but
I
just
want
to
thank
the
cabin
again
for
taking
our
concerns
so
seriously,
and
it
certainly
validates
the
purpose
of
this
committee
and
many
times
our
concerns,
I
think
don't
receive
the
attention
they
should
so
again.
I
I
commend
the
new
secretary
on
taking
this
seriously
issuing
the
new
erp
and
am
looking
forward
to
resolution
this
issue
and
seeing
what
the
new
contract
looks
like.
But
again,
I'm
very
appreciative
of
the
steps
that
the
cabinet
has
taken
and
making
sure
this
is
fair.
A
We
have
a,
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second,
but
before
we
go
into
that
patty
mentor,
representative
mentor.
I
know
that
you
have
come
online
when
it
comes
to
you.
If
you
could
just
acknowledge
your
present
from
your
district
and
then
then
cast
your
vote.
H
I
B
A
A
A
Senator
yates,
would
you
like
to
for
roll
call
purposes?
Would
you
like
to
acknowledge
that
you're
online,
please.
F
Yeah
and
representative
bowling
I'm
online
from
my
district
that
was
actually
senator
yates,
who
was
speaking
when
my
name
was
called
during
rolls.
So.
F
A
A
Thank
you
all.
We
have
that
straightened
out.
Next
order
of
business
is
consideration
of
the
agenda,
including
the
deferred
list,
corrections
list
personal
service
contract
list.
Psc
amendment
list
memorandum
of
agreement
list
memory
agreement,
amendment
list,
except
for
those
items
selected
for
further
re
review.
Do
we
have
a
motion
to
consider
the
contracts
reviewed
without
objection
motion
by
representative
hart?
Second
by
senator
meredith,
all
those
in
favor
vote
I'll
oppose
no
clerk.
Please
call
the
roll.
C
F
H
F
A
J
J
J
This
committee
approved
a
verbatim
the
same
contract
this
time
last
year
at
the
september
8
2020
meeting.
We
retained
this
outside
council
because
of
the
highly
specialized
nature
of
representing
state
agencies,
litigating
the
randolph
checkerboard
act
before
the
u.s
court
of
claims,
which
also
requires
special
licensure
at
the
time
that
we
contracted
with
this
outside
council
in
july
of
2020.
J
We
were
did
it
under
not
practical
to
bid,
because
the
judge
had
ordered,
ordered
a
record,
be
made
and
appearance
by
council,
and
we
had
about,
I
think,
20
days
to
identify
council.
We
searched
for
outside
council
and
the
only
other
option
we
identified
required
a
rate
of
840
per
hour.
We
I
understand
that
this
individual
outside
council
is
being
compensated
at
right
above
the
state
rate,
but
it
is,
it
is
much
reduced
as
compared
to
other
entities.
We
tried
to
contract
with
back
in
july
of
2020.
J
This
2021
contract
should
have
been
renewed
at
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year.
It
was
an
oversight
and
I
would
say
that
it
will
be.
It
was
my
fault
that
we
didn't
get
it
renewed
in
time
again.
The
contract
is
verbatim.
J
D
Thank
you,
chairman
cook
and
miss
mayor,
appreciate.
Your
explanation
appreciate
you
later
that
you
sent
us
on
september
27th,
and
my
objection,
which
is
no
surprise
to
members
of
this
committee,
is
the
fact
that
we're
doing
retroactively
and
again
you
did
a
great
job
explaining
what
has
occurred.
I'm
just
continually
amazed
that
in
state
government
we
don't
have
processes
in
place
to
make
sure,
regardless
of
whose
administration
is
at
the
helm
at
the
time
that
these
things
continue
to
fall
through
the
crack.
D
I'm
a
very
process,
oriented
guy,
and
I
appreciate
that
you've
already
taken
steps
to
to
correct
this,
but
I
hope
you
appreciate
that
if
we
have
to
look
at
something
retroactively
to
me,
it's
always
a
red
flag
is,
is
why
did
this
occur,
and
sometimes
it
is
a
process
or
the
lack
of
a
process
that
causes
these
things,
and
sometimes
it's
just
folks.
Just
don't
want
us
to
look
behind
the
curtain
and
we
have
to
much,
as
we
talked
about
a
previous
contract
that
we
had
to
really
scrutinize.
D
But
I
appreciate
that
you
taking
these
steps.
Just
I
guess
a
word
of
caution
is
I
don't
like
retroactively
approving
contracts?
You
know
the
responsibility
of
this
committee
is
kind
of
be
the
good
housekeeping
seal
of
approval
that
when
the
contract
is
approved,
it
says
everything's
all
right,
that
everybody's
being
transparent,
we're
spending
the
dollars
effectively.
D
But
if
we
have
to
do
this
retroactively,
there's
no
way
that
I
can
assign
my
name
to
that
that
this
is
legitimate,
but
I'll
certainly
give
you
the
benefit
of
doubting
this
one,
particularly
since
it's
a
continuation
of
litigation
and
obviously
the
need
for
this
contract
is,
is
apparent,
but
again
just
want
to
caution
you
and
anybody
else
that
be
careful
in
asking
a
retroactive
approval.
But
again
I
appreciate
your
explanation,
appreciate
them
your
changes
and
your
processes
and
hope
that
other
cabinets
are
paying
attention
and
they'll
do
the
same.
So
thank
you,
mr
chair.
J
A
B
J
A
F
F
D
Thank
you
uncle
chair
cook
and
just
for
the
committee's
information
is
dr
schiller
and
I
had
a
good
conversation
last
friday
via
zoom,
and
I
want
the
community
to
know
and
appreciate
that
she's
wearing
a
lot
of
different
hats
right
now
and
quite
truthfully,
I
don't
know
how
she's
doing
everything
that
she
can
possibly
do,
but
I'm
convinced
that
she's
committed
to
it.
So
I
appreciate
you
being
here
this
morning.
I.
D
Aware
of
the
problems
that
kentucky
state
is
currently
facing
and
that
in
when
we
return
the
session
in
january,
we'll
be
asking
for
a
substantial,
an
appropriation
to
try
to
address
that
shortfall
and
my
conversation
with
the
dr
schiller
with
regard
to
this
contract,
and
I
was
really
kind
of
anticipating
what
senator
hornbach
might
then
say
or
ask,
because
he
always
brings
objections
to
these
contracts
that
he
doesn't
understand.
D
Why
we're
engaging
universities
are
engaging
people
to
lobby
the
legislature
that,
if
we're
building
relationships,
it
really
should
be
unnecessary
and
again,
I
think
people
are
full
aware.
The
problem
that
kentucky
state
is
currently
facing
financially,
and
this
is
said
to
use
you
use
the
common
vernacular.
You
know
right
now
it
looks
like
you
all:
don't
have
a
pot
to
pee
in,
but
we're
spending
62
000
for
a
consulting
contract.
D
I
will
tell
you
and
tell
the
committee
that
I
pulled
this
before
we
had
our
conversation
and
I
have
a
much
keener
understanding
that
you
folks
don't
have
the
resources
to
do
this.
Thank.
D
I
think
if
you
had
a
little
bit
more
lead
time,
you
know
what
I
would
encourage
is
this
just
have
come
from
administration.
I
think
here's
a
great
time
to
galvanize
your
student
body
and
your
faculty.
You
know
they
can
lobby
on
kentucky
state's
behalf
just
as
well
as
this
group
can
and
again.
I
understand
that
that
requires
a
plan
and
you
don't
have
time
to
put
together
a
plan
so
you're
outsourcing
this
yes.
H
D
So
I
can,
I
can
live
with
this
very
extreme
situation,
but
just
want
to
caution
going
forward
that.
I
would
hope
that
again,
whoever
the
new
president
might
be
will
work
diligently
this
next
year
to
build
the
relationship
with
the
legislature
that
you
won't
feel
a
need
to
lobby
us,
particularly
this
this
issue.
But,
mr
chair,
I
really
don't
have
any
questions
for
dr
scheller
unless
other
committee
members
do.
I
just
thank
her
for
being
here
this
morning,
appreciate
her
time
with
me
and
wouldn't
make
a
motion
to
prove
this.
A
A
A
wonderful
conversation
on
friday
and
very
much
appreciate
you
and
wish
you
best
of
luck.
Moving
forward
with
this
look
forward.
A
H
A
Okay,
all
right.
We
have
a
motion
and
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
by
representative
hart
was
the
second
clerk.
Please
call
the
roll.
F
F
D
Co-Chair
before
doctor
shooter
excuse
yourself
from
the
table
and
just
want
to
mention
as
part
of
our
conversation,
I
did
give
her
my
lecture
on
retroactive
approvals.
G
D
We
do
have
some
retroactive
requests
this
time
I
did
not
pull
those
because
again,
I
think
she
has
a
full
understanding
again
being
knew
the
position
I
appreciated
reaching
out
to
me,
but
truly
is
a
unique
situation
for
kentucky
state
university
and
anything
that
we
can
do
relieve
that
burden.
I
hope
we
can
do
it,
so
it
just
seemed
to
be
non-productive
to
pull
those
contracts
and
have
this
conversation
once
again,
but
thank
you
for
being
here.
A
A
D
Well,
unfortunately,
last
meeting
we
lost
our
committee
quorum
and
we
didn't
really
get
to
take
action
on
this
or
question
this
other
than
I
did
talk
to
folks
at
kentucky
housing
corporation
about
retroactive
approvals,
and
we
have
yet
another
one.
I
don't
fault
him
for
that
and
probably
wouldn't
have
pulled
it,
but
there
is
some
discrepancy
and
the
the
dates
on
this.
K
I
apologize
for
that
discrepancy
center,
it
is
september,
and
if
I
may,
if
you'll
indulge
me
I'd
like
to
you
know,
kentucky
housing
certainly
recognizes
the
authority
of
the
committee
and
respects
that
authority.
This
is
not
an
attempt
to
be
disrespectful
or
anything
or
hide
the
ball
in
any
way,
shape
or
form.
This
is
somewhat
a
collision
of
storms
that
have
led
to
you
know
human
beings,
making
mistakes
in
communication.
K
We
we
are,
as
this
body
knows,
we
as
a
commonwealth
are
facing.
You
know
here
to
four
unseen
circumstances.
Frankly,
they've
arisen
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic,
which
is
out
of
control
of
everyone
and
kentucky
housing
corporation,
is
tasked
with
you
know,
providing
vital
services,
as
the
federal
government
disburses
funds
to
try
to
address
the
circumstances
that
have
arisen
from
the
pandemic.
K
It
is
heretofore
unfor,
unseen
resources
for
the
agency
to
administer,
which
has
created
a
significant
work
board
and
burden,
and
I
am
not
here
to
you,
know
cry
about
that
or
or
you
know
make
excuses.
This
is
not
an
attempt
to
make
excuses.
K
This
is
just
trying
to
provide
the
committee
with
some
explanation
of
the
circumstances
that
have
brought
us
to
the
point
where
that
work
burden
is
extreme
and,
as
you
know,
part
of
that
has,
you
know,
resulted
in
an
email
not
being
sent
to
give
certain
people
heads
up
that
things
were
happening
so
that
we
could
address
them.
K
We
did
provide
the
letter
that
you
had
before
you
in
an
effort
to
try
to
communicate
it
as
best
we
possibly
could.
All
I
can
offer
is
that
we
understand
what
the
committee
wishes.
We
wish
to
comply
with
that
and
to
work
with
the
committee
as
the
committee
desires,
and
we
will
work
through
that
going
forward
and
we
will
work
on
our
internal
communication
make
sure
that
these
things
are
handled
appropriately
and,
as
the
committee
wishes
them
to
be
handled.
D
Well,
I
certainly
thank
you
for
that,
and
you
know
the
letter
that
you
sent
us
last
month
was
quite
appropriate,
but,
as
you
already
identified,
then
the
issue
was
that
you'll
receive
that
in
october,
not
in
july
or
even
august.
I
think
you
do
have
an
understanding
of
what
my
expectations
are
for
this
committee
and
you
know
a
little
bit
selfish,
but
I
think
this
too
often
on
these
contracts.
D
Getting
legislative
approval
is
the
last
thing
that
people
think
of-
and
I
want
to
be
the
first
thing
that
people
think
of,
but
I'm
convinced
that
you
certainly
understand
our
position
on
that,
and
I
commend
you
for
that
and
convince
you
for
your
letter
again.
Just
the
timing
of
it
is
is
the
biggest
issue,
I'm
very
empathetic,
to
the
workload
that
everybody's
facing
right
now.
D
But
you
know
if
we
establish
our
priorities,
have
project
policies,
procedures
in
place
and
follow
those
it
makes
efficiency
for
everyone,
including
this
committee
and
staff,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
that
I'm
so
insistent
upon
this,
but
I'm
not
going
to
continue
my
diatribe.
I
appreciate
your
letter
this
time
again,
I'm
looking
forward
in
the
future.
We
won't
have
to
deal
with
these
issues
and
that,
if
you
do
have
a
situation
requires
a
retroactive
approval,
we
will
receive
some
timely
notification
of
that
and
that's
that's
all
I
ask,
but
I
appreciate
that
greatly.
A
You-
and
I
can
just
say
this-
is
not
just
for
kentucky
housing
corporation.
If
you
follow
government
contract
review,
which
I
know
everyone
does
because
we're
the
committee
in
frankfurt,
there
is
a
theme
to
us,
and
that
is
the
retroactive
start
date.
So
if
you
want
a
great
big
clue
on
how
to
help
void
coming
in
here
on
tuesday
morning,
at
9
00
a.m,
it
get
your
contracts
in
all
the
time.
D
G
A
F
F
A
Okay,
next
item
on
the
polled
list
is
with
the
department
of
veterans
affairs
and
is
number
26
on
the
psc
amendment
ivory
list.
I'd
like
to
go
ahead,
since
we
have
veterans
day
this
week
to
say
happy
veterans
day
to
all
our
veterans
out
there.
If
the
representatives
are
here,
please
identify
yourself
for
the
record.
F
A
D
Yes,
thank
you
for
joining
us
this
morning
and
this
should
be
a
very
brief
conversation
issue.
That's
kind
of
a
strong
word,
but
my
problem
with
this
is
the
contract
description
that
we
received.
D
We
have
a
6.6
million
dollar
contract
and
this
is
a
continuation,
obviously
from
the
previous
period,
but
in
just
to
identify
the
vendors
as
multi
doesn't
tell
me
anything
and
again.
I
have
to
make
a
very
broad
assumption
that
the
vendors
that
we
approved
for
the
previous
contract
we're
rolling
over
to
these
contracts,
but
again
just
for
my
information
purposes
and
and
clarifying.
I
really
would
like
to
know
who
those
vendors
are
and
the
amounts
that
each
of
those
contracts
are
and
again
I
don't
think
that
precludes
or
keeps
us
from
approving
this
contract.
F
Well,
absolutely
we'll
get
that
for
you.
Joni
is
getting
with
the
contract
person
right
now.
Look
at
those
names
and
data
for
you.
D
F
D
Eleven
okay.
Now
I
really
don't
want
the
names
today
and
if
you
could
just
provide
me
with
that
information,
you
know
sometimes
over
the
next
couple
of
weeks.
I
would
appreciate
it
and
again
it's
not
that
I
suspect
anyone's
done
anything
wrong.
It's
just
for
full
transparency
to
closure
when
you're
looking
at
spending
6.6
million
dollars.
I
really
like
to
have
more
information
than
this
is
just
multiple
vendors.
So
that's
my
issue,
mr
chair.
If
that's
possible,
then
I'd
make
a
motion
to
prove
this
contract.
L
G
A
M
A
Welcome
to
the
committee,
senator
southward
has
some
questions
for
you.
H
Yes,
thank
you.
I
want
to
get
an
idea
of.
It
looks
like
to
me
at
first
it
was
a
consulting
type
situation
with
public
private
partnerships
and
bonds,
litigation
preparation
and
then,
as
I
got
the
modification
information
it
says,
protecting
experts
were
from
discovery
and
anticipation
of
litigation
between
the
commonwealth
and
contractors.
Can
you
give
us
a
handle
on
exactly
what's
going
on
and
what
litigation
are
we
in
or
expecting
because
this
has
obviously
been
a
long-standing
issue,
but
we
need
an
extension
for
some
reason.
M
Sure
ice
miller
is
the
outside
council.
We
have
used,
I
think,
since
maybe
2018,
2017
and
they've
always
provided
litigation,
has
been
the
primary
focus
of
what
we
were
going
to
use
them
for
and
to
assist
us
in
litigation
with
our
contractors,
but
they
also
provided
some
services.
M
Well,
we
discovered
that
those
20
shelters
which
house
the
equipment
were
defective.
They
suffered
from
extensive
water
damage.
So,
as
a
result
of
that,
we've
replaced
all
of
those
shelters
right
now
we're
pressing
our
claims
against
the
manufacturer
and
the
distributor
of
the
of
the
shelters
and
ice
miller's
handling
this
litigation
for
us
we're
in
negotiations
with
them.
M
Now
we
have
not
initiated
our
contract
claim
with
the
secretary
finance
secretary
yet,
and
we
just
need
ice
miller
to
continue
to
handle
this
work
for
us
as
further
background,
and
when
we
started
the
process
of
amending
the
contract,
we
still
had
about
85
000
left
on
the
contract,
but
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
had
sufficient
funds
so
that
we
could
press
our
and
pursue
our
claims
for
the
huts
and
also,
as
it
relates
to
the
discovery
issue.
M
Ice
miller
engaged
an
independent
expert
to
inspect
the
huts,
and
you
know
they
wanted
to
protect
that
from
discovery
as
their
own
work
product
and
under
the
civil
rules,
and
we,
you
know
that
was
a
very.
It
was
a
very
expensive
project.
It
was
a
hundred.
Fifty
one
thousand
dollars
is
how
much
the
expert
cost
us
to
inspect
those
20
huts
and
to
render
his
opinion
that
they
were
defective.
H
Okay,
I
appreciate
you
know
the
issue.
I
guess
my
question
is
in
the
last
multiple
different
contexts
that
we've
received
updates
on
the
kentucky
wired
project.
It
seems
like
some
of
the
funding
is
general
funding
for
staff.
Some
of
the
funding
is
anticipated
with
retail
sales,
and
I'm
just
wondering
cost
for
litigation.
Is
that
coming
out
of
general
funds?
Is
that
already
worked
into
your
budget?
The
excess
cost
here
has
to
come
from
somewhere,
and
where
do
you
see
that
coming
from.
M
I
believe
that
comes
from
our
budget.
We
have
a
budgeted
amount
for
legal
services,
but
I'll
check
that
and
make
sure
and
and
be
sure,
to
give
you
the
straight
answer
on
that.
M
That's
correct
and
not
all
of
them
had
significant
water
damage.
We
had
some
that
that
were
in
terrible
condition,
frankly
and
since
they
were
all
manufactured
by
the
same
entity.
In
the
same
way,
the
expert
came
up
as
he
reviewed
it
and
it
was
also
well.
Let
me
take
a
step
back.
I'm
sorry,
I'm
getting
ahead
of
myself.
M
It's
in
different
stages,
so
not
all
the
huts
are
are
as
bad
as
the
you
know.
The
later
ones
are
in
better
shape
than
the
new
than
the
old
ones,
but
we
were
afraid
they
were
going
to
get
there,
and
that
was
the
expert's
opinion.
We
also
had
one
of
the
experts
at
deca
from
the
finance
cabinet.
He
also
inspected
them
and
recommended
that
they
all
be
replaced.
So
yes,
in
five
years-
and
we
were
surprised
as
you
are.
A
F
M
I
can't
remember
that
number
off
the
top
of
my
head
I'd
be
glad
to
get
that
to
you.
M
M
No
we've
we're
only
asking
for
350
000
to
get
us
up
to
the
1.1
million.
I
don't
think
it'll
cost.
That
much
I
mean
you
know.
Frankly,
litigation
is
expensive,
but
I
don't
think
that
we'll
incur
that
amount
of
legal
expenses
to
recover
that
and
we
would
be
seeking
to
recover
more
than
that.
Frankly,
you
know
we'll
be
looking
at
to
recover.
You
know
the
full
amount
to
replace
them
completely,
and
that
number
is
you
know
over
seven
million
dollars.
M
No,
the
manufacturer,
it
was
a
different
entity
than
the
contractors
that
we
currently
have
now
and
when
they
were
installed,
the
contractor
then
had
the
obligation
to
maintain
those
up
until
the
point
they
were
turned
over
to
the
commonwealth,
and
it
was
at
that
point
when,
when
they
were
turned
over
to
us,
meaning
that
that
part
of
the
construction
was
done.
That's
when
we
discovered
the
damage,
so
it
wasn't
the
manufacturer
or
the
distributor's
obligation
to
maintain
them.
It
was.
It
was
the
contractor's
obligation
to
maintain.
F
F
M
A
L
A
Good
morning,
thank
you
for
being
with
us.
Give
me
just
a
second
for
everybody
to
get
flipped
over
to
the
right
contract.
H
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
My
question.
My
first
main
question
is
uk
community-based
tests.
Is
this
inclusive
of,
for
example,
the
uk
student
body,
or
is
this
through
uk
health
like
through
the
hospital
or
both.
L
Well,
this
is
community-based
testing,
so
it's
not
specific
to
the
students
or
the
faculty.
It
is
for
anyone
from
across
kentucky
who
would
choose
to
go
to
these
locations
and
get
testing,
and
so
it
it
is,
has
been
at
uk
facilities.
They
used
when
the
volume
was
very
high,
kroger
field.
Now
it's
at
a
different
location
on
campus.
At
times,
they've
had
up
to
three
different
locations,
but
it
was
open
to
anyone
from
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky
who
signed
up
to
get
a
test.
L
L
H
H
Now
we're
gonna
spend
five
more
million
dollars.
Meanwhile,
you
know:
we've
got
people
out.
No
broadband.
Still
we've
got
product
liability
claims
going
on
over
here.
Trying
to
get
the
broadband
up
stood
up.
You
know
billion
dollars
later
I
mean
there's
so
many
different
needs
for
this
money
and
five
million
dollars
with
zero
to
show
for
it
after
the
fact,
because
the
money
is
going
to
be
spent,
it's
very
disposable.
It's
like
spending
money
on.
You
know
things
you
throw
away,
such
as
toilet
paper.
H
L
Well,
senator,
I
think
that
that's
an
interesting
question
and
it's
one
that
I
don't
think
the
state
the
nation
or
the
the
world
has
a
clear
answer
for
based
on
the
behavior
of
this
virus,
and
so
the
the
hospitals
are
still
now
struggling
from
emerging
from
the
current
delta
variant,
which
is
still
out
there
and
where
the
hospitals
are
just
beginning
to
get
a
bit
of
a
reprieve,
trying
to
identify
folks
and
provide
testing
for
them
if
they
have
been
exposed
or
have
symptoms,
so
that
they
can
isolate
themselves
or
seek
medical
care
if
they
need
to
has
been
part
of
the
rationale
for
supporting
testing
and
to
contain
the
further
spread
of
the
disease,
so
that
individuals
don't
get
sicker
than
they
need
to,
and
so
the
hospitals
don't
get
overrun
it.
L
It's
a
certainly
a
very
valid
question.
It's
also
a
very
difficult
question,
but
but
particularly
as
long
as
there
are
large
numbers
of
folks
who
have
not
become
vaccinated,
it's
very
important
that
we
try
to
make
available
to
the
public
ways
that
they
can
get
tested.
So
they
can
take
other
steps
or
other
actions
to
protect
themselves
and
others
and
minimize
the
spread
of
disease.
So.
L
We'll
keep
looking
at
it
and
working
out.
These
are
resources
provided
many
of
these
from
federal
funds
for
this
specific
purpose
or
to
support
these
activities,
and
so
we'll
keep
doing
the
best
we
can.
I
wish
I
had
a
better
answer
for
you,
but
I
think
it's
a
sufficiently
complicated
question
that
there's
not
a
simple
response.
H
F
H
Health
care
coverage
would
theoretically
cover
this.
If
you
had
it,
if
you
don't,
you
can
come
here,
can
you
give
us
a
short
view
of
what
all
services,
the
public
health
through
uk
or
otherwise
provides
to
people
that
don't
have
insurance
or
medicaid
other
types
of
tests
that
they
provide.
L
All
the
long-term
care
facilities
in
kentucky
that
are
required
by
federal
regulation
and
conditions
of
participation
to
test
at
a
certain
frequency.
We've
supported
them
extensively
for
the
entire
pandemic,
again
using
federal
resources,
federal
funds
and
now,
most
recently,
the
dedicated
grant
funding
that
we
use
to
support
the
k-12
educational
community,
which
which,
by
the
way,
we
have
now
more
than
80
percent
of
the
schools
across
our
our
districts
in
the
state
participating
in.
So
that
has
been
a
really
robust
uptake.
L
So
we
support
testing
for
a
variety
of
different
populations
in
different
settings,
some
of
it
with
funding
that
is
coveted
funding,
but
has
more
general
application,
and
some
of
it,
which
is
very,
very
specific,
such
as
the
money
used
to
support
the
k-12
testing.
So
it's
been
a
very
widespread
initiative
and
a
lot
of
work
has
gone
into
it.
To
make
testing
available
to
the
the
people
of
kentucky.
H
Okay
appreciate
that
explanation:
it
wasn't
my
original
question,
but
I'm
actually
going
to
switch.
My
final
question
to
what
I'm
hearing
it
sounds
like,
since
these
are
federal
funds
that,
when
the
federal
funds
no
longer
are
coming,
we
would
be
a
little
bit
more
worried
about
the
dollars
and
how
they're
spent-
and
we
may
that
may
be
the
answer
to
my
original
question.
As
far
as
when
we
can
wind
this
testing
thing
down.
Is
that
fair
statement.
L
L
How
we
adapt
to
it
and
normalize
it
into
a
more
routine
operating
manner,
is
certainly
a
legitimate
issue
and
one
that
there's
a
lot
of
people
trying
to
attend
to
for
how
we
make
those
transitions.
So,
yes,
you
are
correct.
I
don't
anticipate
any
requests
for
general
funds
to
support
populate
or
community-based
testing.
I
don't
know
what
the
government's
needs
are
specific
to
itself,
but
that's
not
my.
My
primary
area
is
the
public
health
commissioner.
A
Okay,
back
to
number
65
here,
testing's,
obviously
very
important,
my
wife's,
a
teacher
kids
we've
we've
had
to
take
advantage
of
it
and
had
the
testing
done
with
that
being
said,
I'll
make
a
motion
to
approve
this
contract.
F
A
H
H
H
C
F
A
I
I
am
not.
I
have
deputy
commissioner
thomas
woods
tucker
on
with
me
today
as
well.
H
Thank
you.
It
appears
to
me
that
this,
mr
sweeney
had
a
certain
position
and
now
we're
changing
his
position.
We're
changing
the
job
description,
we're
changing
the
pay.
It's
like
it's
a
whole
new
thing,
but
instead
we're
doing
it
as
an
amendment.
Is
that
what
I'm
seeing
correctly
here.
I
Yes,
that's
correct:
we're
modifying
his
previous
position
to
this
new
position
as
director
of
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion.
I
E
Good
morning,
everyone
and
thanks
for
an
opportunity
to
explain
the
value,
the
value
added
of
this
position,
edits
genesis.
This
is
a
really
a
modification
of
an
existing
contract
that
we've
had
several
years
prior
to
my
arrival
here
at
the
agency
at
the
kentucky
department
of
education,
a
memorandum
of
agreement
between
the
kentucky
department
of
education
and
the
jefferson
county
public
school
system.
E
And
what
we're
asking
to
do
is
make
this
modification
in
terms
of
reassigning
the
duties
of
mr
sweeney
from
a
comprehensive
guidance,
school
counselor
program
coordinator
to
the
kentucky
department
of
education's
director
of
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion,
which
is
in
line
with
the
kentucky
department
of
education's
goals
and
as
well
as
being
in
line
with
the
kentucky
board
of
education's
goals
to
help
level
the
playing
field
for
all
of
our
students.
And
what
I
mean
by
level
the
playing
field
to
provide
greater
learning
opportunities
for
all
students
here
in
the
commonwealth.
E
And
we
will
maintain
the
coordinator's
position.
We
have
federal
funds,
at
least
until
those
funds
run
out.
I
do
recall
just
a
minute
ago
hearing
the
question
that
was
posed
by
what's
going
to
happen
when
these
federal
funds
roll
out.
So
we
do
have
those
federal
funds
to,
in
fact
we're
interviewing
now
to
backfill
dr
sweeney's
position
for
that
comprehensive
guidance,
counseling
coordinator
program,
and
so
to
talk
more
specifically
about
this.
As
I
said,
this
is
an
moa
between
kde
and
the
jefferson
county
public
school
system.
E
Switching
duties
for
dr
sweeney
and
in
this
new
position
will
come
greater
responsibilities,
as
you
alluded
to
he's
going
to
oversee
three
positions.
The
program
coordinator
of
comprehensive
school
counseling,
a
position
that
we're
backfilling
now
and
two
kentucky
depart
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion.
Consultants.
Again
those
positions
will
be
paid
for
out
of
federal
dollars.
E
It'll
also
help
with
the
implementation
of
our
equity
toolkit
that
will
serve
the
needs
of
all
students
in
kentucky.
In
addition
to
that,
I
will
conduct,
along
with
my
presence
and
my
support
district
level
dei
offices.
These
are
already
positions
that
districts
across
the
great
commonwealth
have
in
supporting
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
for
all
students,
so
we're
going
to
have
monthly
meetings
and
support
those
schools
in
our
170
school
districts
across
the
commonwealth,
as
well
as
conduct
regional
educational
cooperative
meetings.
E
In
supporting
the
same
recently,
we
helped
implement
legislation,
and
this
is
powerful
when
I
talk
about
when
we
look
at
kentucky's
diversity,
equity
inclusion
initiatives
and
in
leveling
the
playing
field
and
providing
opportunities
for
all
students
with
our
federal
funds
and
in
this
position
here
dr
sweeney
is
helping
kentucky
families
pay
ten
dollars
or
less
for
aap
exams
in
kentucky
unheard
of
unheard
of
across
the
country
where
all
students,
regardless
of
their
ethnic
background,
regardless
of
their
socioeconomic
status
or
learning
styles,
will
pay
no
more
than
ten
dollars
for
ap
exams,
also
a
huge
plus
when
we're
talking
about
providing
great
opportunities
for
students
here
in
kentucky
and
kentucky
becoming
a
national
leader
in
this
we're
helping
to
provide
funding
for
our
first
ever.
E
Second
campus
for
kentucky
governor
schools
for
the
arts.
Again,
this
position
here
will
help
ensure
that
we're
providing
more
opportunities
for
students
in
the
governor's
school
of
the
arts,
also
offering
trauma-informed
practices
to
training
to
educators.
When
you
ask
our
students
here
in
the
commonwealth,
what's
their
number
one
concern,
you
ask
our
staff:
what's
their
number
one
concern,
they
don't
say
well,
we're
concerned
academically,
we're
concerned
about
the
testing
or
or
no
they
want
more
tests.
Our
students
and
staff
are
suffering
right
now,
they're
hurting,
and
so
what
we're
going
to
do?
E
We're
going
to
focus
more
in
terms
of
providing
professional
training
in
the
areas
of
social,
emotional
learning
and
mental
health
support.
Then
also.
This
is
a
huge
position
here.
E
We're
going
to
continue
to
oversee
the
minimum
high
school
graduation
requirements,
the
early
graduation
program,
as
well
as
acceptance,
accelerated
learning
and
the
individual
learning
program
and
more,
as
you
know,
six
through
12
students
in
kentucky
have
individual
learning
plans
again
ensuring
we're
meeting
the
needs
of
each
student,
regardless
of
their
background
here
in
the
commonwealth
and
last
but
not
least,
provide
resources
and
guidance
to
help
support
underrepresented
students
and
families
in
in
as
well
as
educators.
Throughout
kentucky.
E
That's
a
beautiful
question
and
thanks
for
asking
for
clarification,
no,
as
I
said
with
our
federal
funds,
we're
gonna
backfill
dr
sweeney's
position,
which
is
the
coordinator
of
comprehensive
school
counseling.
As
you
know,
that
position
provides
support
for
school
counselors
throughout
the
commonwealth
because
of
dr
sweeney's
background
and
his
reputation
across
kentucky.
E
He
will
help
to
supervise,
evaluate
and
lend
support
for
this
position.
We're
backfilling.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
within
the
next
week
we
will
be
naming
his
replacement,
so
no
we're
not
moving
our
school
counselors
who
are
doing
a
tremendous
job
during
this
pandemic
and
reaching
and
meeting
the
needs
of
our
students
and
staff,
we
will
not
be
transitioning
them
into
the
office
of
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion.
D
E
Other
than
lending
some
supervisory
support
with
me
for
the
position
that
you
just
mentioned,
that
would
be
backfilled,
but
in
terms
of
during
the
previous
jobs.
No,
he
will
not.
D
And
you
mentioned
that
his
previous
position
will
be
filled
and
that'll
be
paid
for
from
federal
funding.
Is
that
correct.
E
Well,
we
hope
by
then
leaders,
like
you
and
other
folks
and
and
our
folks
at
kde
will
see
the
value
in
this
position
and
we'll
have
additional
funding
because,
as
I
said
earlier-
and
really
you
all
know
this
as
well
as
I
do,
if
not
better
we're
going
to
have
to
continue
to
provide
social,
emotional
learning
and
mental
health
support
for
our
families
for
our
students
across
you
know,
you
know
in
in
across
america,
when
you
look
at
the
pandemic,
there
are
hundreds
of
thousands
of
kids
who
are
without
parents
right
now,
because
of
colin
I
mean
it's
not
just
because
of
covet,
but
this
was
something
no
one
knew
that
was
coming
and
it
has
caused
a
tremendous
amount
of
trauma,
a
tremendous
amount
of
heartache
for
our
students
and
families
and
we're
we're
hearing
concerns
here
in
kentucky
every
day
in
terms
of
needing
some
support.
D
That's
been
in
crisis
for
some
years
now,
and
I
guess
this
allows
you
to
take
advantage
of
the
funding
that
that
previously
was
not
available,
and
I
certainly
understand
appreciate
that,
but
just
want
to
caution
anyone
who's,
relying
on
federal
funding
that
that's
not
going
to
last
forever.
You've
already
alluded
that
in
three
years
and
this
this
will
go
away
and
then
we're
going
gonna
have
to
fill
the
the
void
and
not
sure
how
to
do
that.
But
I
guess
we
take
advantage
of
federal
funding
as
long
as
we
possibly
can,
but.
E
This
is
an
opportunity
for
kentucky,
given
other
things
that
we're
doing
to
be
a
national
leader
in
supporting
all
students
and
when
we
say
all
students
we're
talking
about
students
who's
whose
primary
language
may
not
be
english.
We're
talking
about
students
who
may
have
ieps
who
who
are
covered
under
idea
or
have
504s
who
are
coming
from,
and
we
know
we
have
quite
a
business
in
kentucky.
E
Many
of
our
our
kids,
regardless
of
ethnicity,
are
coming
from
homes
that
are
financially
challenged,
and
so,
when
we
talk
about
providing
opportunities
for
students,
we're
not
just
talking
about
a
certain
group
of
students.
We're
talking
about
each
student
here
in
kentucky
and
this
pandemic
is
really
was
able
to
shine
a
bright
light
on
our
need
to
help
close
these
opportunity
gaps
for
all
of
our
students.
Our
students
who
receive
free
and
reduced
price
meals
as
well.
D
I'm
again,
I
appreciate
that
I
came
to
the
senate
in
2017
and
a
lot
of
the
challenges
you're
talking
about
today
were
there
in
2017
and
before
it's
just
very.
D
That
the
pandemic,
as
you
said,
has
cast
such
a
bright
light
on
this,
but
I'm
not
sure
we
need
to
be
a
little
bit
more
aggressive
in
reimagining
our
whole
education
system,
because
even
before
covid
we
were
not
getting
the
the
educational
attainment
levels
that
we
had
hoped
and
anticipated.
So
maybe
this
requires
a
broader
conversation,
but,
mr
chairman,
I'm
not
going
to
believe
with
the
point.
That's
that's
that's
all
I
have
thank
you.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you,
mr
tucker,
for
being
here,
and
my
colleague
brings
out
a
a
great
point.
That's
what
I
was
actually
looking
at
is
our
our
schools?
Really,
don't
that's
not
what
defines
the
social
economic
difference?
It's
it's
our
policies
that
do
that,
and
here's
an
a
an
example
of
something
that
we
can
do
as
a
policy
that
may
help
the
schools
in
turn.
C
And
I
never
really
fully
understood
it
until
I
worked
as
a
youth
mentor
and
you
know
one-on-one
with
some
of
the
students
and
thinking
about
the
environments
in
which
they
have
grown
or
belong,
and
and
knowing
that
you
really
have
got
to
have
someone
with
a
very
straight
focus
on
that
inclusion,
that
and
and
making
sure
that
that
you're,
I'm
reaching
out
to
the
students
who
are
coming
from
different
social
economic
backgrounds
and
we've
seen
that,
particularly
in
jcps
and
some
of
the
struggles,
especially
with
some
of
the
language
gaps
and
that
we
deal
with,
but
but
also
just
from
the
environmental
differences,
social,
economic,
environmental
changes.
C
So
I
appreciate
that
I'm
one.
My
question,
though,
is
is
how
do
we,
because
you
know
we're
throwing
money
in
a
lot
of
different
things
and
what
we
got
to
do
is
figure
out
very
best
practices,
because
really
we
don't
have
any
time
to
lose.
So
I
guess
the
question
would
be.
How
do
we
evaluate
the
success
of
this
position,
and
would
it
be
you
know
and
how
you
would
do
that
because
it
looks
like
in
the
three
years
or
so
when
their
money
starts?
C
Turning
out
we're
going
to
come
back
and
say
why
this
was
successful
or
why
it
may
have
to
be
tweaked
and
changed,
or
you
know
maybe
money
redone.
So
as
far
as
our
goal,
mr
trekker,
how
do
we
decide
if
the
value
of
this
position,
if
it's
been
successful,.
E
Senator
yates
thanks
for
that
question,
because
a
big
part
of
what
we
do
in
this
certainly
a
request
from
our
commissioner
and
commissioner
glass,
as
well
as
our
kentucky
board
of
education,
is
to
always
ensure
that
we
have
an
evaluative
part
of
it.
I
think
you
have
to
look
at
whether
this
is
going
to
be
successful
or
not.
You
have
to
look
at
it
quantitatively
and
qualitatively.
E
The
quantitative
measure
right
off
the
bat
would
be.
Are
we
providing
more
opportunities
for
all
students
in
the
commonwealth?
Are
we
through
this
position?
Did
we
double
the
number
of
students
who
are
now
taking
part
who
now
have
opportunities
to
be
a
part
of
the
kentucky
governor's
school
for
the
arts?
We
know
how
important
arts
is
in
rounding
out
the
education
of
all
students.
We
know
how
successful
students
are
who
are
who
take
part
in
the
arts.
So
did
we
actually
double
the
number
of
students?
E
Did
we
ensure
that
our
kids,
who
are
from
the
appalachian
part
of
kentucky,
did
we
in
the
rural
parts
of
kentucky?
Do
we
provide
more
opportunities?
E
Here's
our
baseline
number
in
and
in
three
years
did
we
provide
more
opportunities
for
our
students
in
the
most
challenging
areas
and
in
many
cases
our
students
who
are,
and
I'm
a
rural
boy
from
arkansas
from
cotton
plant
arkansas.
I
know
what
it's
like
not
to
have
the
opportunities
that
many
of
our
kids
from
the
largest
school
districts
have
did.
We
increase
the
number
of
opportunities
for
our
rural
kids
in
appalachia
and
other
parts
to
take
part
in
more
aap
courses.
E
Now
that
we've
made
it
inexpensive
only
as
I
said
earlier,
ten
dollars
to
take
an
ap
course
do
we
do
we
have
more
kids
taking
part
in
ap
courses
and,
more
importantly,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
do
we
have
more
kids
better
prepared
for
life
after
high
school?
Do
we
have
more
kids
taking
part
in
career
technical
education
courses,
and
so
those
will
be
some
of
the
quantitative
courses?
E
Some
of
the
quantitative
questions
were
answered
on
the
qualitative
end
when
we
submit
our
surveys,
and
we
have
these
sit
down
conversations
with
our
staff
members
who
taught
these
courses
you
know,
did
we
have
more
kids
in
there
and
when
we
talked
with
the
kids,
who
actually
you
know,
took
part
in
these
courses
and
we
asked
them.
What
was
that
experience
like?
Was
it
a
positive
experience
now
that
you've
been
given
these
opportunities?
E
D
Just
follow
up
please
and
my
background's
healthcare
and
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
we
have
in
healthcare
because
it
kind
of
parallels
our
education
system.
You
know
our
health
outcomes
are
not
good
in
kentucky
we're
44th
in
the
nation,
and
you
know
we
keep
throwing
more
money
at
treating
illnesses
and
not
getting
into
the
root
cause
of
problem.
That's
social
determinants.
We
know
that
60,
70
percent
of
health
care
issues
are
based
on
social
determinants
and
I
would
project
that,
possibly
that's
the
same
issue
with
education.
D
I
wish
that
we
would
attack
the
virus
of
poverty
as
strenuously
and
as
aggressively
as
we've
attacked
the
covert
virus,
because
I
think
the
mortality
that
results
from
poverty
is
tenfold
what
we're
realizing
with
cobin
it's
even
in
an
everyday
life,
and
I
would
just
hope
that,
when
we
get
through
this,
that
we
really
focus
on
improving
the
economy
of
kentucky
all
corners
of
kentucky,
not
leaving
a
single
county
behind,
but
that's
addressing
poverty
and
too
many
times.
D
H
Explain
my
vote,
mr
chairman.
Yes
ma'am.
This
also
has
me
concerned
relating
to
the
time
frame
and
making
what
seems
to
be
intentionally
purposely
permanent
positions
with
temporary
funds.
So
I'm
going
to
vote
now.
E
Excuse
me,
I
I
think
I
to
explain
that
to
you
and
I
do
apologize.
E
E
Apologize
to
the
senator,
if
she
didn't
understand
the
funding,
it
is
a
year-to-year
contract
and
and
it's
not
a
permanent
position
and
once
the
funding
goes
away,
the
position
will
go
away.
It's
it's
called
a
limited
contract.
So
again,
if
I
didn't
explain
that
earlier,
I
do
apologize,
but
I
do
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
explain
that.
A
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you
for
being
with
us.
Thank
you
for
the
explanation.
The
final
item
on
the
agenda
is
a
consideration
of
an
exemption
request
from
the
energy
and
energy
cabinet
division
of
forestry.
Do
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
exemption
request
motion
by
senator
meredith?
Is
there
a
second
second
by
representative
hart
clerk?
Please
call
the
roll.
F
A
Yes,
motion
carries
before
adjournment
just
want
to
let
everybody
know.
We
are
december
15th.
That
is
a
wednesday.
Please
note
that
is
wednesday
december
15th
for
our
next
meeting.
That
being
said,
we
are
adjourned.