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E
G
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F
I
J
F
J
You
well
good
morning
is
we'll
get
this
meeting
under
underway.
We
do
not
have
a
quorum
yet
so
we
won't
have
a
roll
call
or
the
minutes
until
we
get
a
get
another
one
more
to
attend,
so
we
have
a
quorum
first
up
this
morning,
we'll
have
secretary
Jim
Gray
and
talking
about
hiring
and
retention
go
ahead
and
bump
you
up.
There
miss
Secretary
of
that
you're.
J
J
Here
we
do
have
a
quorum,
entertain,
a
motion,
approval
of
the
minutes
from
the
September
meeting.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
opposed
eyes
have
it.
The
motion
is
approved.
Now
we
can
get
back
to
our
agenda
secretary
gray.
Would
you
and
your
guest
please
identify
yourself
for
the
record
and
the
floor
is.
E
All
right,
sir!
Well,
first
things.
First,
let
me
thank
you
all
for
inviting
us
to
join
you
today.
We've
got
several
items
on
your
agenda
and
we
appreciate
that
I
think
I
always
start
off
with
the
same
thing,
which
is
to
thank
all
of
you
for
your
public
service,
genuinely
appreciated
by
your
public
I'm,
also
proud
to
be
with
Tracy
Hyatt,
who
is
our
Director
of
Human
Resources
and
does
an
outstanding
job
for
us
at
transportation.
E
E
A
good,
timely
topic
know
that
you
all
are
always
interested
in
how
we're
doing,
and
that,
as
it
relates
to
hiring
and
retention
in
the
in
the
cabinet.
So
I
have
a
few
slides.
I
want
to
start
with
the
the
cabinet's
vision
and
part
of
this
was
tweaked
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
but
it's
really
been
fairly
stable
and
consistent
for
many
years.
E
The
vision
and
the
mission,
the
vision
of
the
cabinet
Kentucky
transportation
cabinet
is,
we
are
striving
to
be
national
leaders
in
transportation,
where
we
provide
transportation,
infrastructure
and
services
for
the
21st
century
and
deliver
new
economic
opportunities
for
all
kentuckians.
So
a
real
connection
there,
between
transportation
and
economic
opportunities,
which
we
all
know
that
you
all
are
interested
in
our
mission,
is
to
provide
a
safe,
efficient,
environmentally
sound
and
fiscally
responsible
transportation
system
that
delivers
Economic
Opportunity
enhances
the
quality
of
life
in
Kentucky.
E
The
vision
is
a
little
more
ten
thousand
feet
up.
The
mission
is
a
little
bit
closer
to
the
lens
on
the
ground
boots
on
the
ground,
just
a
image
here,
a
picture
here
of
some
of
the
activities,
as
you
can
see
that
a
couple
a
couple
of
these
slides
actually
show
in
the
background
the
one
on
the
bottom
left
shows
the
Brent
Spence
bridge
when
it
was
being
repaired
after
the
fire
and
the
one
on
the
right
shows.
The
aftermath
of
you
know:
location
in
Eastern,
Kentucky,
the
aftermath
of
the
recent
floods.
E
So
these
functional
responsibilities
include
improving
highway
safety,
maintaining
and
upgrading
highways
and
bridges.
Administering
the
rural
and
Municipal
Aid
programs,
vehicle
regulation,
drivers,
licensing
motor
carriers,
coordinating
Transit
funding
with
local
agencies,
coordinating
Aviation
funding
with
Kentucky's
airports,
coordinating
the
Waterway
and
ferry
boat
funding
and
rail,
and
coordinating
railroad,
funding
and
you're.
E
Going
to
hear
more
about
that
on
your
agenda
later
in
the
day,
as
I
said
that
many
of
the
many
I've
learned
in
the
last
two
years
and
two
years
and
changed
that
a
lot
of
the
a
lot
of
the
activities
of
the
department,
the
functions
of
the
department,
we're
not
on
the
original
job
description
that
the
governor
asked
me
to
or
invited
me
to
to
participate
with,
and
a
lot
of
that
has
included.
E
Mr
chairman
and
members
of
a
lot
of
that
has
included
our
response
to
natural
disasters
and
and
other
and
other
events
like
the
the
Brent
Spence
bridge.
But
what
I'm,
what
I
want
to
say
is
a
real
shout
out
to
the
to
all
the
team
members.
All
the
employees
of
this
cabinet
I'm,
going
to
tell
you
how
many
we've
got
today
and
where
it
used
to
be
to
illustrate
the
efficiency
that
is
is
within
this
cabinet
and
the
department
of
highways.
Today.
This
is
an
organization
chart.
It's
the
the
typeface
is
too
small.
E
So
don't
dwell
on
that.
It's
basically
to
illustrate
the
different
departments
and
divisions
of
the
that
associated
with
the
transportation
cabinet.
E
Okay,
let's
go
to
the
next
one
Tracy,
but
before
we
get
to
this
slide,
don't
look
at
it
too
closely.
Yeah
I
want
to
mention
that
Department
of
Highways
represents
about
80
percent
of
the
total
employee
population.
3
600
out
of
I.
Think
that's
about
80
3
600
out
of
forty
one
hundred
and
what
you're
going
to
see
here
is
the
decline
in
active
in
full-time
Personnel
in
the
cabinet
over
the
last
10
years.
E
E
The
next
slide
will
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
that
a
little
bit
of
background.
Well,
actually,
let's
do
employees
by
division.
I
talked
earlier
about
the
highways,
so
that's
the
that's
the
the
the
number
that
and
it's
in
the
light
blue
there
in
the
pie
chart
the
department
of
highways
employees.
E
These
all
of
these
4120
employees
are
managing
roughly
the
budget
of
the
transportation
cabinet
is
3.7
billion
and
that's
up
this
year
as
a
result
of
the
bipartisan
infrastructure
law.
The
funding
there
through
the
federal
formula,
funding
Federal
highways,
that's
up
about
230
million
this
year
and
then
the
the
governor's
appropriation
and
the
legislatures
confirmation
and
support
for
the
general
fund
appropriation
of
250
million.
So
we
have
a
about
a
500
million
dollar
increase
in
funding
between
2020
and
2022.
E
Okay,
what's
that
next
slide,
there's
one
more
before
I
get
to
this?
That's
it
hold
on
man
all
right,
okay!
So
let
me
let
me
dial
back
to
2020
and
when
we're
talking
about
retention
and
recruiting
in
2020
the
pandemic
years
of
2020
and
2021,
we
actually
lost
more
employees
than
were
retained
during
those
years
in
in
calendar
20
in
calendar
20
21
we
were,
we
recruited,
445
new
employees,
we
lost
597.,
and
that
was
an
inversion
from
what
the
previous
patterns
had
been
historically
2022
through
October.
E
It's
a
similar
Dynamic,
but
not
as
severe
a
drop
off
in
employees
out
so
in
actually
I'm
sorry,
correct,
I'm,
correct
and
we
are
about
even
between
right
at
500
employees,
recruited
and
500
lost
or
employees
out,
all
right,
Tracy,
okay.
Okay,
now
likewise,
there
has
been
a
loss
of
engineering,
scholarship
students
now
I'm
going
to
talk
about
this
a
little
in
depth,
because
it's
really
the
the
engineering
scholarship
program.
E
If
you
talk
to
former
secretary
deputy
secretary
today,
Mike
Hancock
and
others
in
the
cabinet
Mike's
here
today,
they
will
tell
you
that
this
engineering
scholarship
program
has
been
the
secret
weapon
of
the
engineering
of
the
cabinet
for
you
sent
for
since
1948.,
believe
it
or
not.
Since
1948
and
roughly
80
students
are
in
the
civil
engineering
programs
at
at
UK
uofl
and
Western
Kentucky
University
at
any
point
in
time,
roughly
80
civil
engineering
students,
so
average
of
20
per
class
freshman,
sophomore,
Junior
and
senior.
E
There
are
80
scholarship
openings
each
year,
of
which
10
to
20
will
be
the
new
students
The
Freshman
Class.
The
scholarship
currently
pays
seventy
two
hundred
dollars
per
semester
for
freshmen
and
sophomores,
and
that
increases
to
7
600
per
semester
for
juniors
and
seniors.
So
it's
a
potential
total
value
of
almost
sixty
thousand
dollars.
Over
four
years,
the
students
are
guaranteed
a
paid
summer
internship
and
a
job
upon
graduation.
E
These
80
scholarship
students,
if
they
declined
to
join
the
cabinet
after
graduation.
That's
the
job
that
we
guarantee
them.
If
they
declined
to
join
the
cabinet
after
graduation
or
leave
within
less
than
five
years.
They
agreed
to
repay
the
scholarship
proportionately
now
since
2018
the
cabinet
has
awarded
80
scholarships
again,
roughly
20
per
class,
but
20
of
the
80
have
resigned
from
the
program
during
the
program,
so
losing
a
little
about
25
percent.
E
Through
the
attrition
but
34
others,
so
an
additional
34
now
we're
up
to
34
50
44
54.,
total
of
54.,
but
34
of
those
have
completed
the
degree
program
but
declined
to
take
a
kytc
job,
a
cabinet
position
upon
graduation.
Instead,
they
have
repaid
or
are
in
the
process
of
repaying
their
scholarship.
Monies
again,
you
know
just
the
point
of
of
emphasis
or
punctuation
on
this.
Is
that
this
scholarship
program-
it's
we
don't
know
of
any
other
one
in
the
country
within
in
another
another
counterpart
cabinet
in
another
state.
E
E
E
E
E
Historically
and
I
think
this
is
no
news
to
you.
No
well
I'm.
Sorry.
Another
number
here
I
want
to
share
with
you
all
30,
39
or
1600
of
our
employees.
1632
of
our
employees
are
on
a
37
and
a
half
hour
work
week
and,
and
those
also
are
offices
across
our
employees
across
the
board,
but
principally
district
office
employees
and
central
office
divisions
under
the
department
of
highways.
So
just
think
of
the
3600
employees
in
department
of
highways.
E
600
of
those
are
on
the
37
and
a
half
Hour
Work,
Week,
historically
okay,
about
now
we're
still
on
this
issue
of
of
Recruitment
and
Retention.
Historically
retirement
was
an
incentive
used
to
attract
and
retain
employees
as
it
relates
to
compared
to
the
private
sector.
Historically,
the
pension
it
was
an
incentive
retirement
program
was
an
incentive.
E
E
E
E
E
They
pay
an
extra
one
percent
for
health
insurance
contribution
to
the
Health
Insurance
Fund,
which
is
not
credited
to
the
employee's
account
and
the
rule
of
87
for
non-hazardous,
which
means
employees
must
be
at
least
57
years
of
age
and
with
their
age
and
years
of
service.
Equaling
87.,
so
25
are
in
that
tier
two
hired
between
2008
and
2013.
E
E
Okay,
is
that
it
that's
it:
okay,
okay,
so
Tracy
is
here
we're
happy
to
address
any
questions
that
we
can
and
and
if
we
can't
then
we'll
certainly
get
back
to
you
all,
but
any
questions
or
comments
we're
happy
to
take
on.
J
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
thank
you
Mr
secretary,
and
we
we
did
not
refer
to
as
a
master
disaster
today,
but
that's
the
title
you
wear
well
and
you
did
talk
about
the
disasters
you're
dealing
with,
and
we
appreciate
that
appreciate
your
work
and
and
your
entire
staff's
work
and
transportation
cabinet
anytime.
We
have
an
issue
you're,
always
there
ready
to
to
work
on
it
with
this,
and
we
appreciate
that.
Thank
you
got
a
great
team.
J
On
hiring-
and
we
have
a
lot
of
when
we
budget
I
I-
assume
we're
budgeting
for
those
500
that
are
not
there
is
that
in
your
budget,
the
I
guess
you
have
a
an
authorized
amount.
E
We
have
the
300
the
the
300
in
positions
that
are
vacant
today.
Okay,.
J
J
2002-
and
you
have
300
authorizer
in
that
field,
right
is:
is
there
any
way
at
some
point?
We
can
make
this
the
300
or
not
field,
make
it
make
the
cap
and
and
take
that
300
positions
and
and
give
raises
across
across
the
board
for
for
other
employees
in
the
in
the
transportation
cabinet.
E
I,
that's
a
good
question.
Well,
just
yeah!
It's
a
good
question.
I!
Think!
That's
one
that
we,
it
hasn't
specifically
been
presented
as
such
and
I
think
that's
a
function
of
it's
right
here.
You
can't
just
across
the
board
right.
E
It's
go
ahead.
K
That
hasn't
been
discussed,
taking
the
caps
but
sorry,
but
my
concern
with
taking
the
Caps
would
be
that
we're
going
to
have
300
more
positions
and
the
employee,
the
lack
of
positions,
the
employees
that
we
have
currently
are
going
to
have
to
take
on
those
additional
duties
and
keep
taking
on
those
additional
duties.
If
we
aren't
able
to
fill
those
300
positions.
E
E
If
they're
not
filled
right
now,
I
mean
think
we're
going
in
snow
and
ice
season,
or
you
know
think
of
the
more
than
200
that
helped
us
in
the
in
the
flood
that
came
from
all
parts
of
the
state
and
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
times
these
Chief
District
Engineers,
we
have
conversations
about
just
how
difficult
it
is
to
to
fill
the
positions.
E
Now
frankly,
in
the
rural
rural
parts
of
this
more
rural
parts
of
the
state,
the
the
the
those
front
line
positions
are
appear
to
generally
are
more
readily
filled
in
the
more
urban
parts
of
the
state.
It's
become
more
difficult,
I
mean
just
look
at
it.
This
way,
Walmart
is
now
paying
a
hundred
and
ten
thousand
dollars
a
year
for
a
truck
driver.
That's
that
was
two
news.
Two
and
a
half
months
ago,
I
remember
pulling
it
out
of
the
Wall
Street
Journal
and
seeing
that
and
so
CDL
CDL
CDLs
are
earning
that.
E
So
the
shorthand
on
that
your
question
is
certainly
certain
that
something
something
that
certainly
something
that
we
can
look
at
and
consider,
but
I,
wouldn't
want
to
say
that
those
300
were
excess
at
all.
You.
J
Know
what
I'm
saying
and
I
understand
that
news?
You
know
we've
made
do
without
a
lot
of
them
and
it's
become
the
the
normal
now
and
one
of
the
things
I
always
Advocate
is
moving
to
the
40-hour
work
week
and
I'm
it.
That
gives
an
immediate
seven
percent
pay
raise.
So
as
as
our
employees
look
at,
they
compare
themselves
to
the
private
sector.
You
know
you
have
to
take
that
into
consideration.
You
go
to
the
private
sector,
you're
going
to
be
working,
40
or
maybe
40
plus,
but
yeah
yeah.
E
E
Say
today,
100
agree,
100
I
would
have
agreed
100
and
perhaps
Senator
on
that
until
the
last
couple
years,
when
you
know,
benefits
and
benefit
packages
and
expectations
among
among
new
generations
of
workers
is
such
that
you
know
that
37
and
a
half
is
can
be
a
real
incentive.
Is
what
I'm
saying
now
I
hear.
We
certainly
hear
what
you're
saying
in
your
point
of
view
on
that.
J
Just
just
that's
my
that's
kind
of
my
point
but
representative
fugit
has
a
question.
Thank.
M
You
Mr
chairman,
I,
think
secretary
gray,
for
all
that
you've
done
in
East
Kentucky
the
last
three
months,
just
a
question
on
the
300
vacancies
that
you
have
do
you
know
if
there's
and
maybe
they
can
just
send
me
an
email
or
something
on
this?
Is
there
any
equipment
operating
jobs
in
out
of
the
Jackson
office
that
are
open
right
now
that
that
you
know
we
can
may
get
some
of
the
coal
miners
that
that
may
be
out?
Is
there
any
equipment
operating
job?
That's
open
in
that
area.
M
E
N
Thank
you
for
the
hard
work
as
a
my
good
friend,
Ernest
thousand
in
Eastern
Kentucky
I
appreciate
all
the
transportation
done
up
there.
Is
there
any
significant
group,
that's
missing
of
these
300
and
some
people
in
any
specific
job
type
and
any
specific
area
in
the
state?
Is
it
an
Eastern,
Kentucky
problem
or
Western
Kentucky,
or
can
you
confine
the
300
and
some
people
to
any
area
on
any
type
of
jobs
that
specifically
yeah?
If
it's
all
the
same
job.
E
K
Tell
you
that
our
Highway
technician
assistant
ones,
which
is
our
entry
level
maintenance
working
on
the
roads?
That
is
our
highest
number
of
vacancies
right
now,
but
for
the
specific
location
I,
don't
have
that,
but
I
can
get
it
for
you
all.
E
I
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair
secretary,
Gary,
I,
appreciate
you
being
here
and
all
you've
had
to
inform
us
on.
My
question
is
on
the
scholarships:
yes,
sir,
those
that
are
opting
out.
I
I've
got
a
funny.
Suspicion,
I
know
the
answer
to
this,
but
are
they
your
upper
level
graduates
that
are
opting
out
when
when
they
go
to
work
or
are
you
send
it
across
the
board?
I
know
several
engineering
companies
that
they
sort
of
Target
those
and.
G
E
Yeah
level,
so
the
the
more
senior
class
members
right
so
yeah
that,
and
so
the
you
know,
if,
if
you're
in
the,
if
you're
in
the
recruiting
business,
which
is
just
intense
today
in
in
among
in
the
engineering
and
construction
sectors,
it's
just
intense
this
recruiting
from
other
companies
and
recruiting
from
anywhere
they
they
that
they
can,
but
that
sixty
thousand
to
pay.
E
G
K
L
E
E
So
I
I
suspected
I
suspect,
don't
don't
know
that
that
it
was
considered
a
a
benefit
or
an
incentive
to
recruit
and
to
retain
at
a
point
in
time.
You
know
when
you're
competing
with
the
private
sector
I
mean
that's
something
that
we
we
have
to
think
about
pretty
much
all
the
time
that
I've
seen
since
been
in
these
government
roles.
G
Again,
well,
if
I
see
37
and
a
half
weeks,
I
mean
I
agree,
you
know,
Senator
Higdon
is
when
I
go.
If
you're
already
there
might
as
well
do
a
40-hour
week
and,
like
I,
said
something
we
did
was
we
went
to
four
tens
and
if
we
switched
back
from
four
tens,
I
believe
my
Crews
would
probably
take
me
out
back
and
hang
me,
but.
L
G
E
You
know
the
that
is,
that
is
a
part
of
the
conversation.
The
410s
is
often
a
part
of
the
conversation.
This
is
so.
H
J
K
H
E
E
Do
you
know
I
do
want
to
punctuate
that
there's
a
certainly
a
willingness
to
entertain
and
we
have
seen
the
the
progression
toward
the
40
and
recognize
what
Senator
you're
saying
and
what
representative
Pratt
is
saying
and
what
we
have
to
do
is
balance.
What
we
need
to
do
is
always
balance.
You
know
the
current
conditions
that
we're
dealing
with
competitively
and
the
the
job
requirements
and
what's
what's
expected,
there.
J
E
J
Compare
it
to
the
private
sector
and
two
as
we
as
we're
we're
short
in
staff.
If
you
have
the
current
staff
working
a
few
more
hours
a
week,
then
it
kind
of
take
picks
up
the
slack
so
I.
Just
that's
that's
kind
of
my
representative
fugit
has
a
question.
M
Well,
it's
not
really
a
question
just
a
statement
when
I
was
working
at
the
State
Police
as
a
radio
dispatcher,
we
got
paid
for
37
and
a
half
hours
a
week.
However,
we
were
there
for
eight
hours
a
day,
but
we
didn't
get
paid
for
lunch
is,
is
the
way
they
explained
it
to
us.
So
I
would
say:
I
mean
the
people
that
are
out
there
working
are
there
40
hours
a
week,
but
they're
not
getting
paid
for
their
lunch
break
is
basically
the
way
they
explained
to
me
when
I
was
dispatcher.
J
J
Mr
secretary
not
dwell
on
this
too
long,
but
one
of
the
complaints
we
heard
you
know
back
last
year
was
the
time
to
hire
you
the
get
an
applicant.
You
know
ready
to
offer
him
a
job
you
figure
out
who
you're
going
to
hire,
but
it
takes
so
long
to
get
the
okay
back
from
the
Personnel
cabinet
that
by
the
time,
you're
ready
to
hire
that
person
that
already
moved
on
to
something
else
and
was
no
longer
interested.
Apparently,
that's
improving
because
I
haven't
heard
that
complaint
lately,
because
you've.
E
E
Well,
yes,
sir,
we
can
do
that.
We
we
not
unexpectedly,
the
the
applications
were
over
subscribed
the
applications
for
the
12
billion
in
the
in
the
bridge,
investment,
the
bridges
of
national
significance
and
the
mega
projects,
two
buckets
there
actually
and
not.
Unexpectedly,
there
are
more
applications
and
a
lot
more
requests.
However,
you
know,
we
still
believe
that
the
Brent
Spence
bridge
is
the
poster
child
for
this
legislation.
E
The
three
presidents
have
been
on
the
banks
of
the
Ohio
River
talking
about
it
and
the
the
current
president
has
said
that
it
was
going
to
happen,
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
encouragement
now
when
the
announcements
will
be
made,
we
we
are
anticipating
now
that
it
would
be
toward
the
end
of
November
or
before
the
end
of
the
year.
So
before
the
end
of
the
year
is
probably
our
operative.
J
J
Good
news:
yes,
sir
I
get
a
lot
of
questions
on
the
timeline
for
on
charging
stations.
Apparently
a
lot
of
people
out
there
would
like
to
have
that
work
that
type
of
work,
any
any
update
on.
E
E
Is
it
okay
if
I
wanted
to
make
one
point
of
just,
and
what's
that
called
point
of
privilege,
if,
if
you
can.
E
Oh
wow
I
appreciate
that
well,
I
think
I'm
told
that
this
may
be
the
final
meeting
of
the
interim
and
it
would
be.
It
would
be
remiss
of
me
if
I
did
not
point
out
what
a
pleasure
and
how
much
I've
learned
in
working
with
representative
and
chairman
of
this
of
the
budget
committee
representative
Sal
Santoro,
when
you
think
of
the
words
public
service
I,
don't
know
anybody
in
my
career
in
public
service
that
represents
the
public
as
well
or
has
for
15
years
on
16.
E
Now
then,
representative,
Sal,
Santoro
and
I
know
he's
sitting
there.
So
he
won't.
Let
me
overdo
it,
but
but
I
just
wanted
to
say
it's
been
a
real
real
pleasure
and
for
the
people
of
Kentucky
the
billions
of
dollars
that
he
has
provided,
oversight
for
in
the
transportation
budget,
the
people
of
Kentucky
have
been
the
beneficiaries.
J
The
and
you're
correct
everything
you've
said-
and
this
is
his
final
meeting
and
with
the
we
have
a
resolution
by
this
committee
and
and
at
this
time
I
will
have
that
read
for
you
and,
like
I,
said
any
other
members,
any
other
members
and
say
a
lot.
This
is
the
truth.
We
did
not
coordinate
that,
but
since
he
brought
it
up,
it's
a
perfect
the
type
Mr
secretary,
your
timing
was
perfect,
so
if
you
would
Perry,
please
I
mean
Justin.
Please,
please
read
the
citation
or
resolution
know.
L
Ye
that
state
representative,
Sal
santora
was
recognized
and
honored
for
as
many
years
of
distinguished
service
to
the
general
assembly
and
the
citizens
of
the
Commonwealth.
A
graduate
of
the
University
of
Cincinnati,
who
earned
a
master's
degree
from
Xavier
University
representative
Santoro,
is
a
former
Kentucky
state
trooper
and
experienced
experienced
businessman.
Who
currently
serves
as
president
of
Santoro
electric
company.
L
He
has
offered
sincere
praise
profound
gratitude
for
his
years
of
exemplary
service
has
extended
best
wishes
for
continued
success
and
good
fortune
in
all
his
future
endeavors
and
on
the
motion
of
Senator
Jimmy
Higdon
and
the
members
of
the
budget.
Review
subcommittee
on
Transportation
is
hereby
Dean
by
this
honorable
honorable
body,
most
worthy
of
its
recognition.
J
Miss
secretary,
don't
don't
don't
rush
off
we'll
get
you
the
the
your
next
section
of
the
of
the
thing,
but
before
why
we're
while
we're
where
we're
at
in
Sal?
Thank
you
again,
I
can't
thank
you
enough
for
your
service.
I.
Have
this
citation
to
present
to
you.
Timely
bud!
Is
here
miss
secretary?
If
you
don't
mind,
I'll
get
a
picture
with
the
three
of
us.
You.
H
J
J
B
But
here
we
are,
and
my
very
first
session
I
went
to
Sal
and
I
needed
help
with
getting
money
in
the
road
plan
and
I
was
like
Sal.
You've
got
to
show
my
district
that
I
can
I
can
bring
this
money
back
and
I
might
have
used
a
few
other
choice.
B
He
he
made
the
road
plan,
be
an
economic
development
tool
rather
than
a
political
game
which
it
had
been
for
so
many
years
before,
and
we
are
so
thankful
for
that
and
as
a
young
member
I've
learned
so
much
from
Sal
about
work
about
personal
life,
he
always
jokes
and
says:
I
can
he
I
can
be
his
there
or
he
can
be
my
therapist
if
I
want
to
pay
him.
B
250
I
can
just
lie
on
his
couch
and
tell
him
my
problems
rather
than
me
going
to
my
own
therapist,
but
times
are
really
hard
in
the
general
assembly
sometimes,
and
it
gets
very
stressful
and
I
know
that
you
can
always
go
to
South
for
a
laugh
or
a
hug,
and
at
night
I
will
miss
being
able
to
split
dinner
with
my
Paul
I
am
now
taking
applications
for
someone
who
will
split
dinner
and
and
go
to
McDonald's
just
to
go,
get
an
ice
cream
cone
with
me.
B
I'm
gonna
end
it
with
this,
because
I've
had
a
lot
of
personal
privilege.
So
thank
you.
Mr
chairman
Kentucky
is
a
better
place
because
South
Santoro
was
born
and
because
he
served
in
the
Kentucky
General
Assembly
representing
the
60th
district
and
my
life
is
better
because
I
get
to
call
Sal
santora
my
best
friend,
so
thank
you.
Mr
chairman
I'm
glad
you're
born
Sal
and
I'm
glad
that
you're
not
going
to
be
far
and
I
look
forward
to
visiting
you
and
Sharon
in
Florida.
D
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair
and
Sal
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
so
much
for
what
you
have
done
for
me
in
the
88th
district
and
I
tell
people
all
the
time
you
know.
There's.
We
all
know
there's
a
lot
of
partisan
bickering
and
things
that
happen
here.
But
when
you
walked
into
your
meeting
for
your
district
and
what
you
needed
for
you
know
your
people
and
your
roads
that
you
always
got
a
fair
shake
and
your
District
always
got
a
fair
Shake.
D
D
If
folks
watching
don't
know,
he
made
time
to
meet
with
every
single
legislator
and
to
allow
them
to
bring
their
District's
Transportation
needs
to
the
table
in
a
time
of
hyper
partisanship
and
politics,
chair
Santoro
remained
a
Statesman
and
a
scholar
and
his
commitment
to
doing
what
was
best
for
the
state
as
a
whole
is
a
testament
to
his
time
in
office
and
the
Legacy
he
leaves
here
best,
which
is
Sal.
I'm
grateful
to
have
served
with
you
in
the
house
and
in
the
northern
Kentucky
caucus.
M
Came
here
in
2017
and
never
been
in
the
political
world,
and
so
when
you
come
up
here,
you
try
to
find
somebody.
That's
got
something
in
common
with
you,
so
you
have
somebody
to
talk
to,
and
somebody
said,
Sal
was
a
trooper
and
so
I
went
to
say
how
we
became
friends
that
very
first
year
and
we
always
referred
to
each
other
as
Trooper
when
we
passed
each
other
in
the
hallway
and
but
one
thing
about
Sal.
M
There's
the
airport
project
that
we
try
to
get
funded
for
so
long,
I
appreciate
you,
believing
in
our
vision
to
see
that
Airport
Road
and
all
that
to
expand
and
I
appreciate
your
work
to
help
me
get
started
on
that
airport
road
project
and
and
because
of
you
I
believe
the
airport
project
will
be
finished
and
the
whole
entire
region
of
East
Kentucky
will
benefit.
Because
of
you
and
I
appreciate
you
very
much.
J
J
J
Thank
you,
you've
certainly
been
dedicated
and
we
appreciate
that
Mr
secretary
railroad
funding
overview.
That's
next!
It's
not
next
on
the
agenda
but
you're
at
the
table.
So.
J
And
help
me
and
I
know
this
is
something
something
that
representative
Santoro
has
has
lobbied
for
to
make
sure
that
we
had
over
or
not
oversight,
but
some
advocate
in
the
transportation
cabinet
for
for
railroads.
Yes,.
E
Sir,
so
let
me
Mr
chairman
thank
you
for
inviting
us
to
speak
to
the
railroad
funding,
railroad
funding,
issue,
Jeremy
Edgeworth
it
on
the
your
agenda.
It
describes
him
as
the
engineering
technologist
Department
of
Highways
and
that's
the
that's
the
way
it
is
in
the
in
the
officially
in
the
roster.
But
what
he
really
does
is
he's
responsible
for
our
freight
Rail
and
waterways.
He
is
the
coordinator
for
a
freight
rails
and
waterways
and
so
I'm,
going
to
let
Jeremy
take
it
over
and
I'm
here
to
help.
O
O
Jeremy
Edgeworth
I'm,
the
freight
round
waterways
coordinator
within
the
division
of
planning,
so
I've
been
asked
to
discuss
the
railroad
funding
within
the
transportation
cabinet
budget.
There
is
a
single
budgetary
allocation
for
rail
in
the
transportation
cabinet
budget
and
our
current
budget
House
Bill
241
allocates
1.6
million
dollars
from
the
highway
construction,
contingency
account
for
Public
Safety
and
rail
service
improvements.
O
There
is
also
a
provision
to
use
up
to
350
000
of
the
1.6
million
to
establish
and
administer
the
Kentucky
rail
office
in
the
transportation
cabinet,
so
with
the
1.6
million
dollars
annual
allocation
and
the
provision
for
the
350
000
for
the
Kentucky
rail
office,
this
provides
1.25
million
per
year
available
for
railroad
grants.
These
grants
are
administered
through
the
Kentucky
rail
cross
and
Improvement
program
or
the
krci.
O
The
krci
program
allows
grants
for
any
at
grade.
Public
Crossing
allowable
projects
can
be
broken
into
three
categories.
The
first
is
crossing
Rehabilitation.
O
This
is
a
broad
category
that
covers
public
at
grade
crossing
work
from
just
replacing
the
pavement
at
or
approaching
a
Crossing
all
the
way
down
to
a
full
depth,
cross
and
renewal
Excavating
down
to
subgrade
and
then
replacing
all
the
crossing
infrastructure,
Crossing
safety
equipment,
improvements,
allow
for
the
installation,
upgrading
or
replacement
of
signs
signals,
lights,
Crossing
bars,
horns
or
Bells
at
any
public
at
grade
crossing
and
the
final
allowable
project
type
is
one
that
was
recently
requested
by
the
railroads
be
added
to
the
program.
The
removal
of
obstructive
vegetation.
O
So
to
look
at
some
of
the
recent
awards
from
the
krci
program,
because
the
budget
uncertainty
due
to
covid
the
calls
for
projects
for
the
fiscal
21
funds
were
delayed
and
issued
with
the
fiscal
22
funds.
So
we
ended
up
awarding
2.7
million
dollars,
which
came
from
1.25
million
from
fiscal
year,
21
funds,
1.25
million
from
fiscal
22
funds
and
204
000
in
in
unexpended
years,
krci
funds.
O
The
fiscal
year
23
Grant
solicitation
was
issued
in
August
and
had
a
September
deadline.
The
solicitation
included
2.2
million
dollars
in
available
funds.
1.25
million
came
from
the
from
the
fiscal
23
appropriation.
We
also
had
964
thousand
dollars
in
past
years.
Unexpended
funds
we
received
22
applications
requested
over
2.8
million
in
Grants,
and
this
was
matched
by
at
least
20
percent,
so
to
provide
a
breakdown
of
the
fiscal
year,
23
grants
that
were
actually
announced.
This
morning
we
awarded
the
full
2.2
million
dollars
available
to
17
projects.
O
Now
I
won't
get
into
the
actual
specifics,
but
Paducah
Louisville
Railway
was
awarded
1.6
million
for
10
Crossings
Kentucky
Railway
Museum
was
awarded
271
000
for
three
Crossings
RJ
Corman
railroad
is
awarded
188
000
for
three
Crossings
and
Norfolk
Southern
Railway
was
awarded
to
62
000
for
one
Crossing,
so
the
call
for
projects
for
the
fiscal
24
funds
will
be
next
summer
to
show
some
geographic
distribution
of
the
krci
grants.
You
can
see
from
this
table
all
the
awards
in
the
last
four
rounds
of
Grants.
O
This
encompasses
81
Crossings
across
23
counties,
prior
budget
language,
limited
applicants
to
the
Short
Line
railroads,
which
in
Kentucky
are
predominantly
in
the
Central
and
Western
portions
of
the
state.
So
with
the
new
budget
language
not
being
as
restrictive,
we
have
seen
a
wider
pool
of
applicants
as
well
as
an
increased
geographic
distribution
of
applications.
O
While
this
is
not
in
the
budget
language
using
our
federal
planning,
research
funds
we'll
also
be
updating
our
Kentucky
Statewide
rail
plan
last
completed
in
2015.
Our
update
will
bring
our
plan
into
compliance
with
the
Federal
Federal
Railroad
administration's
updated
guidelines
for
a
state
rail
plan.
This
update
mainly
focuses
on
an
inventory
of
the
rail
system
in
the
state,
passenger
and
rail
Freight,
rail
facilities,
rail
tonnages,
available
funding
and
rail,
Safety
and
Security
having
an
updated
State
rail
plan
allows
the
state
to
be
the
lead
applicant
for
any
federal
discretionary
rail
grants.
O
Now
we
do
not
have
any
current
plans
to
apply
for
any,
but
we
want
to
be
prepared
if
the
need
arises.
We've
also
been
approached
by
our
railroads
about
expanding
the
scope
of
the
rail
Plan
update
to
include
a
more
in-depth
look
at
the
infrastructure
needs
rail
bottlenecks
and
connectivity,
rail
Bridge
conditions,
High
conditions,
rail
industry
forecasts
and
growth
opportunities.
Rail
line
preservation
needs
Etc,
so
this
expanded
rail
plan
would
help
our
railroads
as
they
seek
Federal
grant
opportunities
to
improve
their
infrastructure
by
having
their
needs
reflected
in
the
state's
rail
plan.
O
J
J
Next
up,
John
Moore
and
Justin
Hare
Harrod
we're
going
to
talk
about
electric
vehicles.
J
Jump
and
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
the
floor
is
yours.
Q
P
Been
asked
to
give
an
update
of
the
national
electric
vehicle
infrastructure
deployment,
and
so
we're
going
to
do
a
quick
recap
and
then
a
hit
along
some
of
the
updates
along
the
way,
so
we'll
review
the
major
elements
of
Kentucky's
Navi
plan
just
to
start
off,
want
to
share
the
the
planned
vision
and
the
plan's
vision
is
to
create
a
reliable,
accessible,
convenient
and
affordable
EV
charging
Network
that
supports
transportation
choices,
choices,
energy
diversification,
Economic,
Development
and
environmental
sustainability
for
all
kentuckians.
P
Just
to
start
off
just
want
to
share
the
a
reminder
of
the
the
identified
high
priority
EV
corridors.
This
includes
the
primary
interstates,
the
interstate
Spurs
and
Parkways,
as
well
as
a
number
of
other
highways
in
Kentucky
to
help
fill
in
the
gaps
in
the
network.
P
The
first
step
of
of
our
process
is
to
build
out
our
alternative
fuels
Corridor.
This
is
the
designated
corridors
that
that
we
were
required
to
submit
back
in
July,
and
that
is
the
first
step
of
the
of
the
navi
program
is
to
build
these
out.
I'll
get
into
a
little
bit
more
detail
as
as
far
as
where
that
goes,
or
the
the
nuances
of
that
in
a
minute.
So
just
to
share
a
little
background.
I
was
when
I
was
preparing.
P
This
I
realized
that
it's
been
almost
a
year
ago
that
the
the
iija,
also
known
as
the
bill,
was
passed
and
started
our
our
grand
Journey
Down
EV
deployment.
So
as
part
of
that,
as
part
of
that.
P
Reauthorization
they
established
the
National,
Electric
vehicle
infrastructure
or
nevi
program
in
that
program.
There's
formula
funds
that
come
to
Kentucky
in
the
amount
of
six
nine
and
a
half
million
over
the
five-year
period
and
there's
also
a
discretionary
grant
program.
It's
competitive,
it's
open
to
all
comers,
there's
two
and
a
half
billion
available
nationally,
and
we
have
not
received
guidance
of
yet
we're
expecting
that
sometime
in
the
late
of
this
year,
among
some
of
the
other
things
that
we're
expecting
out
of
the
The
Joint
office.
P
So
one
of
the
big
elements
of
the
Navy
plan
was
to
develop
a
or
the
Navy
program
was
to
develop
a
plan
on
how
we
were
going
to
use
the
funds
and
how
we
were
going
to
deploy
these
I'm
happy
to
announce
the
update
that
Kentucky
was
amongst
the
first
in
the
states
and
actually
got
glowing
reviews
from
fhwa
on
the
on
our
on
our
plan,
and
all
credit
goes
to
Justin
with
that.
He
is
he's
lived
and
breathed
this
for
the
past
year.
So
what
that
did
the
approval
of
that
plan?
P
It
unlocked
the
first
25
million
of
those
Navy
funding.
This
is
a
work
in
progress,
It's
anticipated
to
be
updated
periodically
through
the
through
the
five-year
period,
but
that
gets
us
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
P
So
our
our
plan,
as
we
had
all
along,
is
to
work
on
phase
one
and
two.
This
is
our
primary
interstates
as
well
as
well
as
our
Parkways
and
other
freeways
other
interstates
to
build
those
out.
That's
the
the
Navy
build
out
that
were
required.
That
would
take
the
funding
that's
available,
at
least
through
through
a
portion
of
fiscal
year.
24.!
That's
that's
estimated!
As
of
this,
that's
cool,
that's
what
would
be
required
to
unlock,
essentially
the
funding
to
be
used
for
phase
three
and
phase
four.
P
This
is
outside
of
the
AFC
Corridor,
as
well
as
for
Community
Chargers.
If,
if
we
move
in
that
direction,
so
just
to
remind
you
the
the
AFC
corridors
in
order
to
unlock
this,
this
is
phase
one
and
two
is
required
to
fully
build
out
the
AFC
Network
and,
as
as
you
can
see
on
here,
the
the
six
yellow
dots
indicate
the
the
six
Navy
compliant
Chargers
that
are
on
the
system.
P
To
date,
that's
going
to
be
important
as
we
move
to
the
to
the
next
slide,
that
what
does
build
out
mean
build
out
means
that
we
have
compliant
charges
at
least
every
50
miles
less
than
a
mile
from
the
corridor.
They
have
to
have
four
150
kilowatt
DC
fast
charging.
These
are
not
the
community
Chargers,
but
these
are
the
fast
charging
stations
that
are
open
to
the
general
public,
so
these
are
non-proprietary
Charters,
so
right
now,
Tesla
Chargers.
Those
are
proprietary,
only
can
be
used
by
Tesla
vehicles.
P
There
is
conversations
afoot
that
they're
talking
about
opening
those
up,
and
that
would
add
some
some
new
stations
to
Kentucky
as
well,
so
as
part
of
this
process,
we're
not
anticipating
owning
operating
or
maintaining
any
of
these
stations,
but
we're
helping
helping
to
facilitate
those
that
are
going
to
come
and
and
help
the
Commonwealth
deploy
these.
So
with
that,
we
identified
a
couple
of
different
parameters
to
help
identify
where
stations
could
or
should
go.
First
is
identifying
suitability.
P
This
is
determining
where
they
they
have
the
appropriate
power
available
in
that
at
that
interchange,
distance
to
other
Navy
stations,
as
well
as
the
the
long
distance
travel
is
part
of
what
we
learned
through
this
is
that
most
electric
vehicle
charging
is
done
at
home.
So
it's
a
long
distance
trips
that
really
will
use
these
DC
fast
charger
stations.
P
So
where
are
those
long
distance
trips
occurring
so
that
they
can
service
those
those
trips
as
well
as
priority
locations
as
part
of
the
as
part
of
the
funding?
We
have
to
meet
certain
requirements
as
far
as
distance,
and
then
the
goal
is
to
meet
an
urban
rural
split
as
well
as
to
benefit
the
justice
40
areas
in
the
in
the
Commonwealth.
So
with
that
we've
identified
suitability
and
priority
to
help
facilitate
those
that
are
that
are
identifying
locations
to
deploy
these.
P
A
common
question
we
get
asked
is
what
what
is
the
cost
of
of
these
deployments,
and
we
anticipate
about
800
000
to
1.2
million
per
station.
That
depends
on
some
things
that
are
site-specific
with
that,
based
on
the
number
of
the
the
requirements
to
to
build
out
our
networks.
We're
anticipating
it
would
cost
about
40
million
to
to
fully
deploy
the
AFC
Network.
P
We
don't
yet
have
a
good
feel
for
operating
a
maintenance
costs,
we're
continually
working
with
industry,
to
kind
of
to
get
a
feel
for
that
and
I
will
offer
a
caveat,
I
apologize,
but
there
is
tremendous
volatility
in
this
in
this
sector
right
now,
so
these
are
best
guesses
at
the
moment
for
as
far
as
the
capital
costs,
as
well
as
o
m,
as
some
of
our
as
we
in
other
states
start
deploying
these
we'll
get
a
good,
a
better
feel
for
what
the
actual
costs
are,
as
well
as
the
the
the
state
of
the
market.
P
At
the
time.
As
part
of
our
subsequent
to
our
to
the
planning
effort,
we
issued
a
request
for
information.
The
intent
with
this
is
to
really
engage
the
industry,
as
well
as
the
communities,
to
give
us
information
to
to
put
a
better
request
for
proposals
out
what
what
is
it
going
to
take
to
deploy
these?
P
What's
the
the
factors
that
that
the
industry
is
looking
at
to
deploy
these
successfully
as
well
as
what
are
the
needs
from
the
different
different
sectors
and
Justin
and
has
been
meeting
with
these
folks
over
the
past
month,
in-depth
meetings
all
throughout
the
month
and
we
continue
to
meet
with
others
that
come
out
and
identified
sectors
that
that
are
interested
to
to
follow
up
with.
P
So
this
has
really
helped
develop
this
these
next
steps
and
we're
continuing
to
work
through
that,
it's
we
they
met
all
the
way
up
through
I,
think
last
Friday.
So
it's
a
it's
a
work
in
progress
as
we
move
forward
just
to
give
you
a
cross-section
of
those
that
we
did
meet
with
based
on
the
RFI.
P
We've
had
36
different
responses
and
and
we've
met
with
with
all
of
them
to
dig
in
a
little
bit
further
on
their
comments
and
better
understand
their
their
positioning
and
their
their
their
nuances
of
their
comments.
So
to
answer
Senator
Hayden's
question
from
before
about
schedule
were
anticipated,
I've
been
pressing,
Justin
quite
a
bit,
and
because
now
now,
we've
got
money
burning,
a
hole
in
her
pocket
as
I've
told
him.
P
But
one
thing
that
we
learned
out
of
our
RFI
is
that
the
industry
wants
us
to
be
careful
and
so
we're
we're
taking
intentional
steps
forward,
but
we're
still
being
as
aggressive
as
we
feel
comfortable
with
to
get
these
funds
out
and
start
the
deployment
of
these.
With
that
we're,
we
anticipate
in
December
to
get
a
a
draft
RFP
out
and
then
with
the
intent
of
actually
getting
contracts
in
place
in
the
February
or
March
time
frame,
and
so
with
that
we'll
be
amongst.
L
P
It'll
be
aggressive
but
but
and
ambitious,
but
we
feel
comfortable
moving
forward.
That's
a
viable,
viable
timeline
moving
forward.
So
with
that
be
happy
to
entertain
any
questions
and
by
by
me
being
Justin
partner.
J
Okay,
all
right
how
I
guess
my
first
question
is:
how
do
you
how
I
know
you
gave
some
criteria
for
determining
locations,
but
you
know
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
per
location.
That's
I
would
think
you
have
would
have
a
lot
of
people
seeking
those
those
that
that
particular
location.
J
How
will
they
be
selected
and
is
there
a
a
match
from
from
those
who
are
selected
to
get
these?
Do
they
will
they
be
putting
up
any
type
of
match.
P
Yeah,
so
the
the
selection
criteria
that
we
have
not
put
that
together.
Yet
once
we
put
the
final
touches
on
the
RFP
and
the
requests,
then
we'll
we'll
be
in
parallel,
developing
and
selection
criteria.
As
far
as
the
match,
we
are
asking
for
a
20
local
match
in
or
entity
match
in
order
to
make
sure
that
there's
skin
in
the
game
at
the
the
we
are
concerned.
P
If
we
don't
have
some
applicant
skin
in
the
game
that
it
could
deploy
and
then
one
common
issue
with
chargers
is
that
they
they're
not
maintained
or
operated
over
the
long
distance.
So
if
they've
got
some
some
some
of
their
own
investment
in
there
that
that
it
will
make
it
more
robust
in
the
long
term,
along
with
that,
we
recognize
there
are
some
locations
that
we
may
have
to
supplement
a
little
bit
more
than
that
80
percent,
just
because
they
may
not
be
as
marketable
we're.
P
Looking
at
that
as
part
of
the
part
of
the
deployment
plan
as
well.
J
Well,
that
is
good
news
to
hear
that
you're
going
to
ask
for
at
least
a
20
match
for
several
reasons
like
you
said
that
for
them
to
have
skin
in
the
game
and
also
I
guess
every
five
locations
you
do
you
would
you
would
have
enough
money
additional
money
to
do
another
location,
I
I,
assume
the
match
money
that
you
get
will
be
put
back
into
charging
stations
or
will
it
go
back
into
the
to
the
road
plan?
The.
P
Match
money
won't
actually
come
to
the
state,
it
will
be
part
of
their.
It
will
be
local
effort
into
that
deployment
so
similar
to
how
we,
so
if
they,
if
they
have
a
million
dollar
deployment,
then
they
would
ex
they
would
be
expected
to
to
contribute
200
000
of
their
own
effort
or
their
own
resources
toward
that
deployment.
So
it
wouldn't
actually
come
to
the
Commonwealth.
J
Yeah
but
I'm
still
confused
if
they're,
you
know
when
I
think
of
200
000
and
a
local
effort
we're
probably
most
of
these
were
probably
talking
about
PRI.
You
know
private
sector
businesses
and
who
could
write
you
a
check.
J
That's
that's
what
I'm,
what
I'm,
thinking
or
or
I
guess
I,
really
don't
quite
understand
what
you
know
when
you
talk
about
if
it's
800
000,
to
put
it
in
and
they
got
to
do
a
20
match.
I
can
figure
that
out
pretty
quick
but
explain
to
me
why
why
there
wouldn't
be
money
exchanging
hands
on
on
a
match
in.
P
In
that
case,
with
a
with
with
a
situation
that
you
indicate
800,
000
deployment
with
a
20
match,
that'd
be
160
000
of
of
local
match
or
of
private
entity
match.
So
we
would,
we
wouldn't
give
them
a
full
800.
000
we'd
give
them
680
000
toward
that
deployment,
and
then
they
would
be
responsible
for
the
balance
of
those
of
that
cost.
N
N
N
And
when
you
go
up
to
Buffalo
New
York,
you
get
all
the
northeastern
traffic,
that's
the
way
it
comes
South
and
you
come
down
23
and
it
runs
down
to
Kingsport,
which
is
a
four-lane
and
goes
across
and
hits
where
you're
going
on
to
South,
Carolina
or
you're
going
to
head
south
and
go
to
Florida
wherever
so
we're
leaving
out
the
whole
traffic
area
of
Eastern
Kentucky
in
the
initial
part
of
this.
If
I
take
your
map
as
being
true
except
I-64.
N
and
we're
in
the
process
of
building
a
multi-million
dollar
Park
in
Bell
County,
it's
going
to
be
humongous,
so
we're
working
on
trying
to
get
the
roads
done
through
there,
because
119
is
the
main
road
you
it's
supposed
to
be
in
a
four-lane
type
road
to
hook
up
with
I,
which
is
25e,
which
is
a
four-lane
type
Road,
and
we're
going
to
leave
this
all
out
in
this
initial
stage.
So
can
the
question
is?
P
So
the
as
part
of
the
as
part
of
the
Navy
requirement
we
had
to
identify
those
locations
where
that
we
nominated
for
the
for
the
alternative
fuel
Corridor.
Our
our
first
stage
was
to
nominate
all
of
the
freeways
that
we
have
in
the
state,
and
so
that
is
the
the
alternative
fuel
Corridor.
The
intent
is
to
build
out
them
all
of
the
the
routes
shown
here.
So
we're
not
attempting
to
leave
out
Eastern
Kentucky,
but.
P
It
was
a
simpler
process
in
the
rush
that
we
had
to
identify
where
those
locations
how
to
evaluate
those
those
locations
along
a
a
uncontrolled
facility.
The
access
points
were
too
dense
to
get
in
the
first
round,
so
we're
not
leaving
those
out.
We
do
have
to
bail
out
the
AFC
first
and
then
those
will
be
right
on
its
tail.
N
P
Of
right
now,
it
would
be
if
we're
able
to
deploy
along
the
schedule
that
we
hope
it
would
be
mid
2024
when
we
would
be
able
to
unlock
those
funds
in
order
to
deploy
beyond
the
alternative
fuels
corridor.
P
Eastern
Kentucky
would
be
eligible
for
the
competitive
grant
program
and
we
can
look
at
that
as
well
as
there's
there's
funding
through
the
Volkswagen
settlement
which,
in
our
coordination
with
eec,
they've,
indicated
that
they're
looking
at
at
these
orange
corridors,
if
you
will
to
to
to
partially
Focus
their
funding
on
to
deploy
along
these
as
well.
So
there's
there's
a
number
of
different
funding
mechanisms
in
place.
P
There's
a
temporal
nature
to
it,
but
the
the
law
requires
us
to
focus
on
alternative
fuel,
core
alternative
fuel
corridors
first
and
so
we're
having
to
do
that.
Initially,
Kentucky's
got
one
of
the
more
robust
alternative
fuel
corridors
in
the
nation.
Looking
at
the
maps,
I
think
only
Florida
has
a
more
ambitious
or
aggressive
alternative
fuel
corridors
shown,
and
so
it's
we're
not
overlooking
it.
We've
got
other
funds
that
we
can
allocate
toward
those
goals
and
our
goal
is
to
complete
the
the
corridor
throughout
the
state
as
quickly
as
we
can.
N
My
good
friend
Senator,
Webb,
wheeler
Smith,
are
not
here
today,
but
I'm
sure
they're,
all
interested
like
I
am
and
all
the
representatives
that
from
Eastern
Kentucky
are
not
would
be
interested
in
you
trying
to
speed
this
process
up
based
upon
23
being
it's
a
four-lane
road.
It
is
the
interstate
Road.
Yes,
that
connects
those
interstates
together,
64
down
our
way
to
Bristol,
to
Kingsport
to
Johnson
City
all
that
area.
It's
it's
a
major
four-lane
type
highway.
It's
Interstate
in
my
opinion.
N
G
P
As
of
right
now,
there's
Federal
prohibition
from
any
money
making
activity
being
or
commercial
activity
in
rest
areas.
So
as
of
right
now,
we're
anticipating
these
being
just
off
of
exit
ramps
along
the
interstates
and
Parkways.
P
Open
to
all
proposals,
we're
not
not
don't
favor
one
or
the
other,
we
see
the
benefits
of
both
proposals.
All.
G
Right
and
also
you
mentioned
with
the
building
of
these
charging
stations
electric
grid
we
have
currently
right
now.
Is
it
going
to
take
a
major
upgrade
or
a
minor
upgrade,
or
do
you
know
what
we'll
have
to
do
to
make
sure
we
have
the
you
know
ability
to
actually
provide
the
power,
because
I
saw
some
pretty
good
high
numbers
on
that
and.
P
I'll,
let
Justin
supplement
this
in
a
minute,
but
in
our
initial
coordination
with
the
utility
operators,
we've
we've
got
indication
that
there's
enough
capacity
on
the
network
to
deploy
nevi
as
it
is.
It's
going
to
get
into
the
next
phases
of
of
higher
charging
that
it
or
and
get
a
higher
distribution
of
of
at
home,
charging
that
it.
It
may
become
problematic,
but
that's
a
little
ways
off.
Q
Perhaps
these
ports
I'm
getting
a
little
bit
more
kilowatts
like
350
kilowatts
per
port
on
some
of
the
other
corridors
or
whatnot,
then
that's
when
we
would
have
to
probably
go
back
to
the
utilities
and
be
like
all
right.
Can
we
have
the
station
here
or
you
know,
would
we
have
to
upgrade
the
substation
at
that
point,
but
you
know
to
John's
Point
what
he
mentioned
about
right
now,
given
what
the
Navy
is
requiring.
Q
R
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
just
to
clear
a
couple
things
up
on
the
Tesla
stations.
Do
we
know
how
many
units
that
Tesla
has
in
Kentucky.
Q
To
be
honest,
I
don't
know
that
much
about
Tesla
superchargers.
That
was
just
kind
of
like.
Where
is
a
supercharger
located,
but
I
do
not
know
the
details
of
what
the
supercharger
entails.
P
My
reference
you
to
our
secretary
after
the
meeting
if
he
can
probably
identify.
R
You
might
be
able
to
do
that
and
just
to
clear
up
the
cost
is
when
you
say:
800
000
is
that
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
unit
and
when
I
say
unit
Just
One
charging
unit?
That's.
P
For
a
a
station
deployment,
so
that
would
be
four
150
kilowatt
plugs
and
that's
making
some
assumptions
regarding
what
you
know
what
site-specific
upgrades
may
be
required
to,
depending
on
the
distance
to
the
three-phase
power
or
other
improvements
that
may
be
required
on
that
site,
so
it'll
be
a
very
custom
application.
Okay,
thank
you.
H
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
you
just
answered
my
question,
I
think
four
at
a
charging
station.
Yes,.
P
Four
150
kilowatt
Chargers
are
required
to
add
a
station,
so.
H
P
There
are
some
I
will
say
that
there
are
some
requirements
out
there,
that
there's
a
notice,
a
proposed
rule,
making
a
final
rule,
that's
in
development
with
the
feds
and-
and
we
do
not
have
that
back.
Yet
we
anticipate
that
these
are
will
be
required
to
be
available.
24
7,
but
until
that
final
rule
comes
out,
we.
Q
P
Know
for
certain,
but
that's
the
we
don't
anticipate
a
great
variety
from
the
the
parameters
that
we
were
given
to
develop
the
plan.
So
we
anticipate
that
would
be
the
case.
J
H
H
P
J
A
P
With
a
dcfc,
it's
anticipated
to
be
about
a
30
minute
charge
and
that's
that's
with
150
kilowatt
charger.
With
some
of
these
we're
hoping
that
they
would
be
able
to
share
between
ports,
and
so
if,
if
there's
only
one
person
charging,
then
they
may
have
access
to
all
600
kilowatts,
and
so
that
would
be
a
quicker
charge
than
30
minutes.
But
the
the
definition
of
of
a
dcfc
anticipates
a
a
full
charge
over
30
minutes.
Roughly.
P
The
that's
something
that
we're
going
to
leave
to
the
private
sector.
There
may
be
some
some
public
utility
aspect
of
that,
but
we
don't
anticipate
at
least
out
of
Transportation
regulating
the
cost.
We
anticipate
that
there
will
be
a
cost,
since
they
will
have
investment
in
this
and
will
need
to
to
be
profitable
to
sustain
over
the
long
term,
but
we're
not
unless
that
gets
passed
down
to
us
from
the
rule,
making
we're
not
anticipating
setting
rates
on
those.
A
P
We'll
we'll
pitch
out
to
Justin
there's
a
lot
of
different
funding
strategies
out
there
regarding
especially
with
fast
Chargers,
where
you
want
to
encourage
folks
to
plug
in
and
then
as
soon
as
it's
full
to
move
out.
So
you
have
Lane
rentals
associated
with
that
or
style
rentals,
but
the
the
electric
rate
is
going
to
depend
a
lot
on
where
you're
charging
rates
across
the
Commonwealth
to
change
from
from
significantly
from
location
to
location.
But
Justin
may
have
an
estimate
he
can
provide.
Q
Yeah
I'll
just
add
that
well,
I
can't
give
you
like
a
clear
number.
I
will
say
that,
with
the
proposed
measure
that
Federal
highways
put
out
earlier
this
year
and
while
we're
waiting
on
the
final
measure,
they
do
have
some
language
in
there
to
perhaps
I'm
going
to
use
sort
of
like
with
gas
stations.
You
want
to
make
sure
people
aren't
being
price
gouged.
So
there
are
some.
Q
You
know
things
that
Federal
highways
is
looking
at
to
implement,
to
make
sure
that
the
consumer
is
not
being
price
gouged
per
se
for
the
EV
rate,
but
with
our
Public
Service
Commission.
They
are
just
now
starting
to
look
at
for
the
utilities
that
they
regulate.
Q
You
know
what
can
they
do
to
sort
of
set
sort
of
an
or
you
know,
guidance
for
Ev
rates,
and
then
you
know
have
the
utility
rights
kind
of
you
know
be
competitive
among
themselves,
and
that's
about
all
of
that.
I
know
thus
far
with
that.
J
Thank
you
co-chairs
co-chair
Santoro
bought
brought
up
a
good
point
about
the
road
fund,
getting
money,
I
think
in
the
recent
legislation
we
passed
there's
a
three
three
cent
per
kilowatt
hour
surcharge
that
comes
back
to
the
state,
but
unfortunately
it
goes
to
it's
What
as
written.
It
goes
to
the
general
fund,
we'll
need
to
change
that
as
we
as
we
go
forward.
So
back
to
the
rest
areas,
you
said
of
no
commercial
activity
allowed
their.
J
Well,
but
still
it's
a
commercial
activity
and
these
charging
stations,
if
you
look
at
them,
they're
nothing
more
than
a
a
vending
machine.
You
put
a
credit
card
in
you,
get
something
out:
there's
no
Personnel
involved.
Just
just
just
saying:
I
I
know
I
open
a
can
of
worms
every
time.
I
mention
that
that's
okay,.
J
Q
P
We
can
look
at
that
to
see
what
well,
how
that
is,
was
allowed
and
see.
If
that's
something
we
can
mimic.
J
Well,
you'd
have
plenty
happy
if
you
don't
look
at
it
at
all
I'm,
just
just
saying,
but
but
just
you
know
technically
it
I
I
would
make
that
argument
that
we
do
allow
commercial
activity
at
the
rest
areas
at
all
any
other
questions
seeing
none.
Thank
you
all
for
your
presentation,
appreciate
you
being
here.
J
And
we
saved
the
the
best
for
last
commissioner
Bobby
Joe
Lewis.
J
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Lewis
thank
you
for
being
here
today.
I,
certainly
appreciate
your
your
work
and
dedication
to
the
transportation
cabinet
into
our
mainly
a
lot
of
rural
roads
in
in
the
in
the
state.
We
appreciate
that
and
and
your
passion
for
doing
that,
and
if
you
don't
mind,
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
the
floor
is
yours.
Thank.
C
You
chairman,
Higdon
and
Coach
chairman
Santoro
and
members
of
the
committee.
It's
a
pleasure
to
be
here
today
to
talk
about
one
of
my
programs
in
Department
of
Rural
and
Municipal
Aid.
So
it's
always
a
pleasure
I'm
Bobby,
Joe,
Lewis
I'm,
the
commissioner
of
rural
Municipal
Aid.
C
Oh
there
we
go
okay,
I
got
it.
Okay,
first
of
all,
I
wanted
to
introduce
you
to
the
staff
of
office
of
local
programs
and
I've
also
got
the
Commissioner's
Office
on
here.
C
As
I
said:
I'm
Bobby,
Joe,
Lewis
Gail
Smith
is
the
executive
advisor
Deborah
Pals,
our
Executive
Administrative
secretary,
and
then
we
have
the
office
of
local
programs.
Michael
Jones
is
the
historic
preservation
program,
administrator,
Jackie
Jones,
executive
staff,
advisor
she's,
also
our
CMAC
administrator
and
our
Scenic
byways
coordinator.
C
C
There
are
federal
funding
opportunities
in
the
local
programs,
because
we've
got
the
department
for
Rural
Municipal
Aid,
and
then
we've
got
real
secondary
roads,
which
I'm
sure
you've
all
heard
a
lot
about,
and
then
you've
got
the
office
of
local
programs,
which
includes
tap
the
transportation
Alternatives
program
and
congestion
mitigation
and
air
quality
program
or
in
short,
CMAC.
These
are
reimbursement,
programs
and
I.
Wanted
to
make
sure
to
punctuate
that
they
are
not
grants,
they're,
reimbursement
programs
and
they're
funded
80,
federal
funds
and
20
local
match
all
right.
The
transportation
alternative
programs
is
the
reason.
C
I
was
asked
to
be
here
today
and
I
understood
that
you
all
wanted
a
funding
update
that
you
wanted
to
know
the
amount
of
current
Awards
and
the
type
of
projects
that
qualify
under
this
program.
So
that's
what
we
intend
to
talk
about
today,
all
right,
the
transportation,
Alternative
Program.
How
do
you
apply
for
this
or
tap
funding
periodically
and
based
on
funding
availability?
C
We
completed
an
application
cycle
earlier
in
federal
fiscal
year
22.
and
we're
planning
to
hold
another
funding
cycle
in
federal
fiscal
year.
23.
application
forms
are
on
irkytc
forms
Library.
When
we
get
ready
to
send
those
out,
there's
a
notice
sent
via
email.
We
do
that
to
County
and
City
officials.
We
do
it
to
the
ad
districts.
We
send
it
out
to
the
chief
District
engineers
and
all
of
our
12
kytc
Transportation
districts.
C
We
send
it
to
all
the
local
public
agency
coordinators,
so
the
the
persons
inside
your
county
and
City
officials
offices
who
have
been
the
coordinators
for
previous
programs.
We
usually
keep
our
application
Cycle
open
60
days
and
then
upon
closing
the
application
cycle
staff
Begins
the
evaluation
process,
which
is
reviewed
and
ratified
by
fhwa,
to
confirm
the
competitive
competitiveness
of
the
process.
C
C
Environmental
mitigation
and
safe
routes
to
school,
which
is
kind
of
I,
mean
it
still
set
out
separately
by
fhwa,
but
it's
really
included
in
the
bicycle:
pedestrian
type-
category:
okay,
ineligible
activities,
that's
as
important
as
eligible
okay.
So
you
know
what
you
can't
do
under
one
of
these
tap
projects:
that's
administrative
costs,
promotional
activities,
routine
maintenance
and
operation,
General,
Recreation
and
park
facilities,
so
playground
equipment,
the
playground,
Sports
Fields,
campgrounds,
picnic
areas
and
Pavilions
are
not
eligible
for
the
tap
reimbursement
program.
C
Okay,
tap
funding
is
a
portion
to
each
state
with
sub-allocations
of
the
total
apportionment.
Okay,
so
59
percent
is
out,
are
sub
allocated
to
sub-state
areas
based
on
population
size.
Now,
fhwa
gives
us
these
figures
and
they
tell
us
in
the
areas
of
population
of
less
than
five
thousand
dollars.
This
59
percent
of
the
monies
that
we
give
you
this
portion
needs
to
go
to
population
of
less
than
five
thousand
and
then
there's
a
population
between
5001
and
49
999.,
so
they
they
plug.
C
In
those
figures
for
us
and
tell
us
what
projects
we
have
to
fill
in
each
of
those
categories.
Now,
under
the
bipartisan
infrastructure
law,
they
did
set
out
two
more
categories:
they
kind
of
expanded
it,
and
so
now
we
do
between
fifty
thousand
and
two
hundred
thousand
now
areas
with
a
population
over
200
000
These
funds
are
sub
allocated
to
what
we
call
mpos
or
Metropolitan
planning
organizations
in
the
state.
They,
the
mpos
themselves,
will
hold
application
Cycles
for
the
funding.
C
The
projects
are
administered
through
our
office,
mpos
have
their
own
structured
criteria
with
fhwa,
and
that's
your
larger
population
areas
like
in
Northern,
Kentucky,
Jefferson
and
its
area
and
includes
some
out
of
state
like
across
the
state
lines.
Okay,
but
it's
administered
through
the
metropolitans
and
planning
organizations
are,
are
sub-allocated,
I'm,
sorry
and
they
do
their
application
cycles,
and
then
we
monitor
or
administer
the
project.
C
Sub-Allocated
funds
in
this
category
cannot
be
transferred.
They
have
to
stay
within
the
categories
that
fhwa
gives
us.
They
must
be
spent
on
tap
projects
in
areas
that
meet
the
population
criteria
now
41
percent
for
any
area
of
the
state
using
a
state
competitive
process-
and
this
is
referred
to
as
Flex
funds.
So
if
we
run
out
of
money
in
one
category,
we
can
use
flex
funds.
If
we
have
a
really
good
project,
we
can
use
flex
funds
on
that
project.
C
Okay,
in
2022
we
had
31
projects
awarded.
It
was
a
total
of
17
million
40
000
727..
C
There
was
an
impact
of
on
646
342
Kentucky
residents,
I
love
to
hear
that,
because
these
these
projects
are
all
across
the
state
and
what
I
just
told
you
were
the
eligible
projects
or
bicycle
pedestrian
and
non-motorized
forms
of
transportation.
So
what
have
we
got?
We've
got
sidewalks
and
bicycles,
multi-use
paths
in
all
areas
of
the
state
which
is
promoting
getting
people
out
getting
them
moving
right,
which
we
all
want.
That's
a
good
thing.
C
C
C
This
is
our
local
program's
contact
information.
The
email
address
is
listed
at
the
bottom,
along
with
the
telephone
number.
C
Please
feel
free
to
call
us
at
any
time,
and
I
am
happy
to
provide
any
additional
information
that
you
need
or
want,
and
if
I
don't
have
it
I'll
find
it
I'll
get
it
to
you
any
questions.
N
C
Well,
in
preparation
for
today,
I
looked
it
up
to
see
it.
What
was
on
the
list-
and
you
had
Harlan
so
I-
know
that
there's
a
project
in
Harlan
for
well,
if
I
had
my
glasses
on
I
could
probably
see
it
but
safe
routes
to
school,
Fairview,
Community,
North
Williams,
that
project.
C
J
H
J
I'll
say
Amen
to
that
too.
You
you
do
answer
your
calls
and,
if
you're
not
available
very
soon,
you'll
get
we'll
get
a
call
back.
So
thank
you
for.
C
No,
it's
always
a
pleasure
to
be
here
and
if
you
have
any
questions
at
all,
most
of
you
probably
have
my
cell
phone
number
I
didn't
make
the
same
mistake
this
time.
Someone
told
me
the
last
time.
I
testified
that
I
probably
shouldn't
put
my
cell
phone
number
on
the
PowerPoint,
because
it's
on
YouTube
and
as
I
understand
it,
everybody
can
see
YouTube
If,
you
need
my
cell
phone
number
just
see
me
afterwards
or.
J
But
one
I've
been
very
interested
in
in
the
tab
fund
and
how
many
you
we
see
what
you
awarded
and
you
had
31
projects?
Yes,
sir,
how
many
applications
do
you
receive
in
a
typical
cycle
asking
for
worthy
projects.
J
J
Okay,
because
one
of
the
reasons
I
was
interested
in
we
get
a
lot
of
sidewalk
projects
in
the
role
playing
and
I.
Think
cities
have
gotten
the
idea
that
let
the
cities
used
to
build
sidewalks
now
they
want
us
to
build
their
sidewalks
and
my
my
I've
been
designated
as
a
role
playing,
not
a
sidewalk
plan
right.
C
J
Understand
so
and
I
know,
sidewalks
pedestrian
is
is
part
of
it,
but
still
we
get
a
unusual
amount
of
requests
for
for
cyborg.
So
that's
why
I
ask
if
we
could
appropriate
some
money
to
that
from
the
state
and
and
send
the
sidewalk
folks
you.
C
Know
I-
and
this
is
just
right
off
the
top
of
my
head
I-
will
investigate
that
further.
You
know
I
will,
but
my
gut
reaction
to
that
is
no.
We
can't
mix
the
monies
from
fhwa
with
the
state,
but
I
tell
you
how
the
state
could
help
is
if
you
were
able
to
increase
the
discretionary
account
and
I
could
do
projects
like
this
through
the
discretionary
account.
J
J
J
Much
thank
you
seeing
no
further
business
motion
to
adjourn.
We
have
a
motion.
Second
we're
out
of
here.