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B
A
A
All
right
we're
going
to
take
roll
in
a
minute,
but
I
wanted
just
to
everyone
to
know
other
than
these.
In
addition
to
the
statutory
obligations,
the
committee
is
also
the
legislative
oversight
investigation
committee
staff
is
also
looking
into
these.
Follow
these
four
following
things:
K-12
selection
of
textbooks
and
instructional
materials,
procurement
processes
related
to
Asphalt
contracts,
processes
regarding
emergency
removal
of
children
from
their
parents
and
recent
incidents
at
the
Jefferson
Regional,
juvenile
detention
center
and
other
juvenile
detention
centers.
A
C
D
A
Here
and
Senator
Carroll
is
also
here
he's
participating
on
on
Zoom,
as
he
as
he
is
ill
and
representative
Fleming
has
just
come
in
so
we'll
mark
him
present
as
well.
All
right
so
I'll
take
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
from
October
13
2022..
Is
there
so
moved
by
Senator,
nemus
and
seconded
by
representative,
sharp
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
all
opposed,
nay,
all
right
they've
been
approved,
and
so
we
are
going
to
go
right
into
the
staff
presentation,
Mr
Skinner,
Mr
Blevins.
You
have
the
microphone
sirs.
F
Thank
you
good
afternoon,
I'm
Jeremy
Skinner,
and
this
is
Jacob
Blevins.
F
The
panel
is
statutorily
required
to
conduct
comprehensive
reviews
of
child
fatalities
near
fatalities,
child
fatalities
and
near
fatalities
reported
to
the
Cabinet
for
Health
and
Family
Services
that
are
suspected
to
be
the
result
of
neglect
or
abuse.
The
panel
is
also
required
to
publish
an
annual
report
consisting
of
case
reviews,
findings
and
recommendations
for
system
improvements.
F
Senate
Bill
97,
which
will
be
covered
in
more
detail
later
in
the
presentation
included
several
changes
to
the
panel,
including
changes
to
its
membership
and
it
granted
the
panel
with
greater
Authority
regarding
its
recommendations.
So
this
year,
this
year's
reports
and
its
recommendations
reflect
the
fact
that
the
panel
is
still
in
the
process
of
implementing
those
changes.
A
report
has
five
finding
areas
and
nine
recommendations
and
we'll
get
right
into
those.
F
Finding
area
one
addresses
concerns
the
panel
has
had
in
the
past
about
the
process
by
which
they
receive
cases
for
for
review.
Now.
This
objective
was
actually
intended
for
inclusion
in
last
year's
report,
but
we
were
unable
to
include
it
because
the
information
we
requested
from
the
Cabinet
for
Health
and
Family
Services
wasn't
received
in
time
for
inclusion
in
last
year's
report.
F
The
cabinet
has
since
provided
a
full
and
final
response
to
that
data
request,
and
that
enabled
us
to
include
this
the
objective
in
this
year's
report,
so
the
panel
has
at
times
expressed
concern
that
there
are
cases
not
being
properly
identified
as
near
fatalities,
either
by
physicians
or
by
dcbs
and
and
if
a
case
isn't
identified
as
a
near
fatality,
then
the
panel
would
not
be
able
to
review
it.
Panel.
F
The
panel
has
also
had
issues
in
the
past
related
to
a
related
to
the
effectiveness
of
a
form
used
by
dcbs
and
that
it's
a
flow
chart
that
helps
identify
near
fatalities
and
they've
had
concerns
with
that
form
in
the
past.
F
Panel
staff
have
also
expressed
concerns
in
the
past
about
dcbs's
internal
review
process
for
child
fatalities
and
near
fatalities.
Our
staff
reviewed
a
sample
of
internal
review
forms
used
by
the
department,
they're
called
system
analysis
reports,
and
our
analysis
found
that
dcbs
was
completing
its
internal
reviews
in
accordance
both
the
statute
and
its
own
internal
policies.
F
Lastly,
we
reviewed
copies
of
emails
between
dph
and
the
panel,
which
is
dph
the
department
for
public
health.
Excuse
me,
between
dph
and
the
panel,
in
order
to
review
the
process
by
which
dph
refers
child
fatalities
to
the
panel
from
local
child
and
maternal
fatality
response
teams,
a
review
of
the
emails
between
dph
and
the
panel
did
not
indicate
any
issues
with
the
referral
process.
F
As
noted,
the
panel
has
indicated
that
additional
training
for
medical
professionals
could
be
beneficial,
so
recommendation.
3.2
is
the
panel
should
discuss
the
possibility
of
online
training
modules
with
the
Kentucky
Board
of
medical
licensure.
Licensure.
Excuse
me
in
the
following
areas
reported
in
the
following
areas:
reports
filed
by
the
medical
community
pursuant
to
statute
and
the
documentation
and
reporting
of
near
fatalities,
as
defined
by
Statute
and
recommendation
3.3,
is
that
the
panel
should
contact
dcbs
and
discuss
the
possibility
of
using
existent
existing
pediatric
forensic
medicine
contracts
to
provide
additional
training
to
the
medical
community.
B
B
B
In
addition,
a
requirement
was
added
for
for
law
enforcement
to
request
a
test
of
blood
breath
or
urine
when
a
report
includes
a
child
fatality
or
near
fatality,
and
an
officer
has
a
reason
to
believe
the
child's
Supervisor
was
under
the
influence
of
drugs
or
alcohol.
At
the
time
of
the
incident,
this
could
lead
to
better
case
information
provided
to
the
panel
table
3.3
in
the
report
details
the
actions
taken
by
the
panel
to
implement
the
changes
in
the
bill.
B
B
Last
year,
loic
recommended
that
the
panel
ensure
that
its
findings
are
based
on
data
and
Analysis
in
the
report
and
that
its
recommendations
both
address
finding
concerns
and
are
targeted
and
actionable
our
view
of
the
panel's
most
recent
report
from
2021
indicated
that
improvements
have
been
made
in
all
these
areas.
Relative
to
past
years.
B
B
The
report
noted
that
the
panel's
data
tool
had
not
been
formally
evaluated
since
2014
and
that
it
relied
heavily
on
narrative
text
boxes
further.
The
panel
did
not
have
a
data
dictionary
that
clearly
defines
Define
the
many
variables
collected
from
Case
Files.
The
panel's
actions
over
the
last
year
fully
addressed
the
previous
report's
recommendations.
As
indicated
in
table
3.6
of
the
report.
B
The
panel
has
since
revised
this
data
tool
using
a
new
web-based
application
called
redcap
panel
staff
members
and
epidemiologists,
with
the
Department
for
for
public
health,
met
on
several
occasions
to
evaluate
the
current
data
tool
and
to
implement
a
survey
in
redcap
during
this
process,
staff
also
created
an
analyst
binder,
which
now
serves
as
the
data
dictionary.
B
F
The
fifth
and
final
finding
area
covers
the
panels
funding
and
budget
process
which
we
identified
last
year
as
an
area
needing
attention
for
context.
The
panel
is
attached
to
the
Justice
cabinet
for
staff
and
administrative
purposes
in
2014
the
panel
and
cabinet
both
recognized
a
need
for
funding
and
requested
four
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
dollars
in
annual
funding
for
panel
Staffing
and
operations.
This
amount
was
included
in
the
2014
through
2016
budget
of
the
Commonwealth
as
part
of
the
Justice
Administration
budget.
F
F
As
shown
on
this
Slide,
the
panels
expenditures
have
never
approached
the
420
thousand
dollars
envisioned
by
the
initial
appropriation.
The
panel
has
also
not
been
staffed,
as
envisioned
by
the
2014
budget
request.
Staffing
has
fluctuated
over
the
years,
but
is
typically
consisted
of
two
full-time
employees
and
one
or
more
temporary
contract.
Analysts
panel
members
and
staff
have
reported
in
the
past
having
difficulty
performing
case
reviews
and
following
up
on
recommendations
due
to
do
to
understand
understaffing.
Excuse
me
in
the
fall
of
2021
the
panel
worked
with
the
Justice
cabinet
and
submitted
a
budget
request.
F
Prior
to
the
2022
session.
The
panel
requested
additional
funding
sufficient
to
hire
two
new
full-time
staffers.
They
indicated
a
need
for
this
new
Staffing
due
to
rising
caseloads
and
increasing
responsibilities
related
to
the
implementation
of
recommendations.
The
legislature
subsequently
appropriated
420
000
to
the
panel
as
part
of
house
bill
one.
F
Although
the
panel
proactively
worked
with
the
cabinet
and
submitted
a
budget
request
prior
to
the
2022
session,
there's
no
indication
that
written
guidance
has
been
developed
or
updated
to
ensure
that
the
panel
will
actively
participate
in
the
budget
process
in
a
consistent
manner.
Going
forward.
Therefore,
recommendation
3.8
is
that
the
panel
and
Justice
cabinet
should
update
the
existing
memorandum
of
understanding
to
reflect
current
budgetary
and
expenditure
procedures.
F
Our
ninth
and
final
recommendation
is
that
panel
staff
should
present
Financial
updates
to
panel
members
on
a
regular
basis.
The
financial
presentations
should
include
updates
on
the
panel's
expenses
and
available
funds,
as
well
as
information
on
the
budget
process.
These
last
two
recommendations
are
intended
to
provide
stronger
internal
controls
and
to
ensure
that
the
panel
panel
continues
to
proactively
participate
in
its
budget
process,
as
it
did
in
the
most
recent
budget
session.
That
concludes
our
presentation
and
we'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
have
for
us.
Thank.
A
You
Mr
Skinner,
so
last
year
we
were
here
and
it
was
a
much
different
present
presentation.
It
was
rather
alarming
I
think
that's
what
led
to
the
bill
that
was
passed
in
this
past
session
this
year.
It
appears
that
things
have
been
addressed
largely
so
is
it
fair
to
say
that
last
year
was
was
an
alarm
we
worked
over
the
last
year.
The
cabinets
worked
hard
over
the
last
year,
the
legislature
through
Senator
Senator,
Carroll's
Bill.
Everyone
has
come
together.
A
F
I
think
there's
been
a
lot
of
work
this
year,
implementing
the
changes
that
we
recommended
in
our
report
last
year
and
changes
that
are
obviously
in
the
Senate
Bill
I.
Don't
know
if
alarm
you
know
is,
but
there
were
definitely
some
concerns
that
were
brought
up.
I
know
the
panel
has
mentioned
in
the
past
that
you
know
they
would
do
their
reports,
make
the
recommendations
and
it
kind
of
felt
like
they
were
just
out
there.
F
You
know,
and
nothing
was
really
happening
with
them,
so
I
think
a
lot
of
the
changes
in
the
Senate
bill
will
address
those
issues
and
now
the
recommendations
will
you
know
if
not
be
implemented?
They
at
least
have
to
be
responded
to,
so
that
will
help
a
lot.
Yes
and
we
found
some
issues
with
most
of
the
issues
that
were
addressed
that
were
indicated
last
year
have
been
either
addressed
fully
or
they
are
in
the
process
of
being
addressed.
F
So
so,
yes,
there's
a
there's
a
lot
of
progress
over
the
past
year.
A
If
everyone
could
identify
themselves
for
the
record
when
you
get
an
opportunity
to
have
an
opportunity
to
sit
down
and
I
would
also
in
into
your
remarks,
I'd
like
for
you
to
weave
in
a
response
to
my
my
question
of
where
we
were
last
year
versus
this
year,
because
obviously
you're
someone
that
we
have
a
great
deal
of
trust
in,
we
had
a
number
of
professionals
who
testified
last
year
remotely
who
are
not
here
today,
that
that
identified
a
number
of
issues.
And
so
how
have
we
done?
G
Right,
I
am
Steve
Shannon
I'm,
a
member
of
the
panel
I
work
for
corpse,
associational,
Health
Centers,
but
here
I'm
a
panel
member
behind
me
are
the
people
who
really
can
answer
your
challenging
questions.
Alicia
Mahoney's
behind
me,
as
well
as
the
executive
director
of
the
budget,
is
Rebecca
Norton
But.
To
answer
your
question.
Additionally,
yeah
we
we,
we
were
very
responsive
to
the
report.
G
I
think
that
ready
some
issues
that
we've
talked
about
for
a
long
time
and
we
took
it
seriously
and
we
really
tried
to
move
forward
and
increase
our
accountability
and
and
kind
of
add
structure
to
our
work,
as
opposed
to
just
reviewing
cases,
make
sure
it
done
in
a
systematic
way.
We've
worked
really
hard
with
a
good
relationship
with
dcbs
I.
Think
at
some
point.
You
know
this
is
kind
of
interesting
and
I
said
this
out
in
the
hall
earlier.
G
You
know
we
meet
monthly
and
we're
kind
of
reviewing
dcbs
performance
and
we
come
back
here
every
November
and
get
our
performance
critiqued.
So
it's
kind
of
reusing
the
tables,
but
we've
worked
really
hard
to
develop
good
relationships
with
dcbs,
not
to
jeopardize
our
review
but
to
have
an
open
conversation
about
those
findings
that
we
have
I.
Think
the
the
bill
added
structure
it
gives
a
place
for
our
recommendations
to
land.
I.
G
Think
that
the
idea
that,
again,
that
we
can
submit
those
recommendations
to
the
appropriate
Department
cabinet
wherever
they
may
be-
and
they
must
you
know
they
can
ignore
them,
you
know,
but
they
have
to
at
least
receive
them
and
respond
to
them.
I
think
that
was
a
big
change.
I
think
the
frustration
we
had
many
years
is
we
do
a
report
submit
that
you'd
receive
it
and
it
would
kind
of
go
to
you
know:
there'd
be
no
corresponding
feedback.
G
So
we
appreciate
that
we
appreciate
Senator
Carroll's
leadership
in
that
and
you're
all
support,
so
yeah
I
think
we
have
tried
to
to
address
the
concerns,
focus
more
upon
what
our
work
and
do
it
in
a
systematic
matter
that
meets
people's
needs.
That's
really
what
you
want
to
do.
We
want
to
understand,
what's
happening
to
kids
throughout
the
Commonwealth.
Does
that
make
sense,
sir?
G
We
agree
with
the
recommendations.
There's
nine
of
them.
Obviously,
we
support
them.
I
think
our
challenge
will
be
operationalizing.
Those
reference
to
work
groups
I'm
going
to
tell
you
the
truth,
there's
20
of
us
and
we
have
analysts
who
work
really
really
hard.
The
analysts
review
cases
and
read
a
lot
of
bad
things
about
kids
and
we
kind
of
summarize
those
and
use
that
information
so
for
us
work
groups
are
challenging
because
we
all
have
other
things
to
do.
G
I
start
on
this
panel,
four
or
five
years
ago,
we
met
quarterly
for
about
five
hours,
we're
meeting
monthly
now
for
about
three
and
a
half
hours,
so
it's
a
bigger
lift
than
it
was
initially,
but
we're
going
to
try
to
figure
out
how
to
do
that.
We
partner
with
dcbs
they're
at
our
meetings
the
commissioner
serves
on
it,
so
those
recommendations
we're
going
to
share
if
it's
permissible.
We
want
to
share
this
PowerPoint
at
an
upcoming
meeting.
G
We
have
cases
to
review
a
final
report
to
get
to
you
all
by
February
1,
but
maybe
our
February
meeting
look
at
these
specific
things
to
address
those
issues
and
those
relationships
as
well.
We're
really
are
eager
to
have
the
opportunity
to
work
with
the
Kentucky
Board
of
medical
licensure,
we'll
see
how
that
goes
out.
We
have
five
doctors
who
serve
on
this.
So
that's
an
access
point,
networking
with
other
agencies.
We
have
State
Police
representative.
Another
access
point
use
that
for
law
enforcement.
When
we
can,
we
have
two
judges.
G
The
chair
of
the
panel
is
a
judge.
That's
another
access
point
for
the
judicial
system
and
we
had
a
county
attorney.
I
think
she
rotated
off
another
one
will
be
appointed,
so
we're
going
to
use
those
to
implement
some
of
those
recommendations
about
networking
with
other
groups
and
see
how
that
goes
forward.
But,
overall
we
agree
with
the
recommendations,
the
budget
information.
That's
why
Ms
Norton's
here
we
will
do
quarterly
updates
to
panel
members
I
like
that
recommendation.
I
think
it's
very
important
for
people
to
at
least
see
the
budget.
G
Many
meetings
I
go
to
people
always
ask
me
that
question
because
I
feel
pretty
confident
adding,
but
we
want
people
members
to
see
what
we're
spending
our
money
on,
what
we're
doing
we're
trying
to
get
an
epidemiologist.
That's
part
of
what
our
plan
for
the
budget
and
we're
working
with
Department
of
Public
Health
epidemiologists,
are
few
and
far
between
I
know
someone
to
try
to
convince
two
young
women
to
be
an
epidemiologist
and
that
person
failed
miserably.
G
You
know
because
it's
needed
and
they
both
like
math,
so
I
think
that's
where
we're
at
we.
We
appreciate
the
work
of
Mr,
Skinner
and
Mr
Blevins.
If
I
did
a
fine
job,
it's
a
big
lift.
We
do
a
lot
of
work.
I
was
thinking
about
cases.
We
meet
again
monthly.
Look
at
about
20
cases
that
gives
about
eight
to
nine
minutes
a
case.
G
G
We
appreciate
it.
It's
always
a
little
unnerving
when
someone
takes
a
deep
dive
into
your
business.
A
letter
from
the
IRS
is
very
comforting,
but
we
feel
good
about
what
the
report
says
about
us
questions.
A
This
is
the
first
that
was
easy,
well
I'm,
going
to
ask
you
a
question
progress
going
forward.
What's
the
what's,
the
is
there
one
thing
that
we
can
do
to
this
is
the
the
panel
in
doing
its
work.
G
I
really
think
at
some
point
we
got
to
look
at
the
structure
and
the
Staffing
I
just
think.
There's
so
much
work
to
do
and
how
it,
if
I,
can
do
one
thing:
I'd
stop
meeting
virtually
it's
not
nearly
as
effective
the
dialogue,
but
that's
not
your
issue.
That's
our
issue,
but
I
think
having
sufficient
analysts
to
really
review
cases
and
increase
our
numbers
when
we
started
it
was
probably
once
a
month
and
we
did
20K
I
mean
once
a
quarter
20
cases.
Now
it's
once
a
month,
20
cases.
G
G
Correct
correct
and
and
I
think
when
we
get
that
access
to
an
epidemiologist
that
will
help
with
that
issue
and
that
will
help
kind
of
coordinate
our
data
better,
because
that's
kind
of
what
the
one
thing
they
do
so
I
think
that's
it,
but
I
think
we
need
to
get
to
that
place.
We
talked
about
another
Analyst,
at
least
one
more
full-time
person.
To
do
that.
A
All
right
put
you
on
the
spot
one
more
time,
director
Shannon,
so
this
conversation
is
pretty
sterile,
we're
talking
about
recommendation
3.6
and
all
that
kind
of
thing
for
the
people
at
home.
Obviously,
all
of
us
know
this
is
very
important.
It's
important
enough
to
the
general
assembly
that
we
do
this
once.
A
G
What
it
does
for
the
Commonwealth
is
look
at
situations
where
kids
have
been
treated
badly,
sometimes
resulting
in
death
and
trying
to
understand
why
that
happens,
and
can
we
move
forward
and
address
issues
to
it?
So
those
things
don't
happen.
Bad
things
may
still
happen,
but
can
we
look
at
ways
to
prevent
those
from
happening?
The
best
example
and
I
say
this
regularly
is
unsafe.
Sleep
I
have
two
daughters.
Neither
of
them
are
epidemiologist
one's
25
and
122..
G
We
never
heard
about
unsafe
sleep
when
when
we
were
having
when
my
wife
was
having
a
child,
we
didn't
hear
about
that.
It
is
a
real
issue
and
I
think
that
the
child
fatality
near
fatality
has
raised
that
issue
because
we
still
hear
about
unsafe
sleep
so
for
the
Commonwealth
we're
having
people
aware
of
that.
Talking
about
that
and
what
does
that
look
like
I
was
a
perpetrator
of
unsafe
sleep.
You
know:
I
had
a
daughter
to
get
middle
of
the
night.
G
I
learned
how
to
put
her
in
the
chair
next
to
me,
put
on
a
a
Wizard
of
Oz
and
when
she
started
crying
hit,
rewind
right.
That
is
a
bad
thing
to
do.
It's
a
bad
thing
to
do
and
bad
things
happen.
I
think
that's
the
case.
They
also
think
we're
learning
about
how
drugs
impact
young
children
in
homes
so
there's
two
things
that
we
all
kind
of
knew
about.
But
now
we
can
confidently
say
these
are
real
issues
that
need
to
be
addressed
and
they
have
been
addressed.
G
G
A
A
H
A
10
members
voting
I
yeah.
We
have
adopted
the
committee
report.
Thank
you
all
right.
So
we'll
move
to
the
next
part
of
our
agenda
and
secretary
Adams.
Are
you
ready,
I,
don't
know
who's
coming
up
with
you,
but
you
can
identify.
It
looks
like
Miss
catchfield
and
everyone
identify
themselves
from
the
record
and
you
have
the
floor.
Sir.
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
Deputy
clerks
and
election
directors
are
stepping
up
to
serve
every
person
who
stood
for
appointment
or
election
as
a
county
clerk
should
be
thanked
and
applauded.
Although
we'd
avoided
disruption
of
this
election,
something
that
we
used
to
be
able
to
take
for
granted,
our
process
can
always
be
improved.
I
First,
the
good
guys
won
the
malefacturers
who
spread
misinformation
about
our
process,
for
counting
votes
were
debunked
by
election
officials
and
rebuked
by
our
voters.
Our
voters
embraced
our
election
process,
including
the
changes
we've
made
since
2019.
Every
vote
cast
in
this
big
turnout
election
is
a
vote
of
confidence
in
our
election
laws
and
our
election
officials.
I
Next
early
voting
works
at
my
request.
You
and
you
acted
in
a
bipartisan
fashion
to
a
naturally
voting
and
over
a
quarter
million
voters
took
advantage
of
it
I'll
note
that
the
turnout
for
early
voting
correlated
pretty
closely
with
the
partisan
affiliation
of
our
voters
Republicans,
with
a
little
less
than
50
percent
than
Democrats
close
behind
then
independence.
In
other
words,
early
voting
is
not
a
partisan
issue.
There
is
no
Republican
or
Democratic
way
to
vote.
Early
voting
doesn't
favor
a
side;
it
just
helps
the
voters.
I
I
The
other
approach
would
be
to
develop
a
statutory
formula
to
set
a
floor
for
how
many
voting
locations
a
county
needs
for
early
voting
and
election
day.
I,
don't
know
offhand
what
that
formula?
Should
be,
it
might
need
to
be
different
in
one
County
than
another,
because
some
counties
voters
use
early
voting
more
than
other
counties.
Voters
it's
complicated,
but
I,
think
it's
doable
I'm
neutral
over
which
approach
you
prefer,
but
we
must
do
something
to
prevent
long
lines
in
the
future.
I
I
We
have
a
separate
law
that
permits
an
election
challenge
upon
an
allegation
of
fraud
or
corruption
or
administrative
error,
and
any
person
with
evidence
of
same
will
not
lose
their
right
to
contest
an
election.
But
the
frivolous
lawsuits
by
people
who
lack
evidence
of
fraud,
corruption
or
administrative
error
and
lose
by
a
wide
margin
must
be
stopped.
I
I
have
other
suggestions
too,
and
have
already
begun
conversations
with
the
county
clerks,
the
State
Board
of
Elections
staff
and
legislators
from
both
parties,
like
speaker,
Osborne
and
leader
Jenkins,
I,
hope
that
we
can
work
together
in
good
faith
and
across
the
aisle
to
improve
our
elections
even
more
than
we
already
have
in
Kentucky.
Unlike
other
places,
our
losing
candidates
this
week
are
not
falsely
alleging
suppression
or
fraud,
and
our
voters
are
not
falling
for
misinformation
about
the
security
of
our
process
and
staying
home.
I
A
Thank
you
as
anyone
from
the
Board
of
Elections
going
to
come
up
or
I
do
have,
while
they're
coming
up
I.
Think
I
want
to
I
want
to
play
a
video
for
the
just.
So
everybody
want
to
see
it
it's
a
couple
minutes,
so
it
might
be
a
good
time
to
start
it
now,
while
we're
in
the
transition
and
what
this
is
Mr
secretary
is
it
is
it's
a
video
that
was
taken
at
about
550
in
Oldham,
County,
South
Odem
high
school.
It's
the
line
that
existed
right
before
the
polls
were
closed.
A
This
is
not
the
longest
that
the
line
was
that
day,
but
I
put
this
together
to
you
know
to
to
show
what
voters
were
had
had
to
endure.
Thankfully
it
on
in
this
November,
it
wasn't
snowing
or
hadn't
rained
and
I
would
like
to
play
that,
so
everyone
could
see
it
and
then
we'll
if
I
could
get
it
I'll
get
a
couple
questions
on
it.
K
K
C
I
J
A
Thank
you
and,
as
you
can
tell
just
so
I
describe
what's
in
there
know
what
that
was
was
that
was
at
South,
Oldham
Middle
School,
one
of
the
five
locations
that
one
could
vote
in
Oldham
County
on
Election
Day.
As
you
noted,
those
are
real
Kentucky
voters,
some
of
them
in
wheelchair
wheelchairs,
many
of
them
very
old,
some
of
them
bringing
their
children
to
the
to
the
polls.
That
is
100
percent,
absolutely
completely.
Nowhere.
A
Nowhere
to
say
it
unacceptable
if
it
had
rained
I,
don't
know
what
would
have
happened
as
we're
standing
there
on
the
corners
people
are
leaving
in
droves.
So
this
is
voter
suppression,
that's
what
this
is
and
right
before
the
election,
the
speaker
of
the
house
and
I,
contacted
Secretary
of
State's
office
and
asked
this
that
this
plan
be
rejected,
because
this
happened
in
the
primary
as
well.
People
were
crossing
Veterans
Memorial,
which
is
a
four-lane
heavy
heavy
traffic
Highway
people
were
were
parking
across
the
street,
walking
across
there
going
down
a
ditch
up.
A
A
ditch
I
had
to
get
into
a
ditch
one
time
to
help
a
elderly
man
up
I
had
to
push
his
bottom
up
because
he
couldn't
get
up
the
hill.
That
was
in
the
primary.
We
asked
the
Secretary
of
State
to
reject
this
plan
and
he
took
it
to
the
Board
of
Elections
and
you
didn't
reject
the
plan.
That's
what
happened.
It
was
as
bad
in
Bullitt
County
as
this
and
probably
in
other
counties.
I,
don't
know
I.
A
M
Thank
you,
representative
nemus,
for
your
comments
and
yes,
State
Board
of
Elections
did
approve
the
120
County
plans.
I
will
say:
Richard
house
was
very
involved
with
us
preparing
those
plans
receiving
them.
We
reached
out
to
all
120
counties
between
the
two
of
us.
We
spoke
to
every
County
Clerk
in
an
effort
to
ensure
that
they
were
prepared
for
a
higher
voter
turnout
in
this
election.
M
Yes,
there
were
lines,
there
were
vote
centers,
possibly
there
should
have
been.
You
know
some
more
foresight
on
our
part.
We
take
that
information.
The
county
Boards
of
elections
are
the
ones
that
you
know
do
make
those
decisions.
The
county
clerk
is
part
of
that
board.
They
bring
it
to
us.
We
look
and
at
the
plans
we
contact
them.
If
we
have
questions,
we
believe
that
the
plan
didn't
really
include
certain
areas
of
a
county,
particularly
Geographic
areas.
Yes,
we
do
that
process
and
Richard
house
can
speak
to
part
of
that
process.
M
I'm
sure
that
you
know
the
lines
that
we
had
in
this
general
election
will
certainly
be
taken
into
consideration
when
any
new
plans
are
developed
in
the
future
and
I
do
believe.
The
county
clerks
will
do
that
as
well.
I
believe
they
will
look
back
at
their
counties
and
they
will
know
what
their
turnout
was
and
they
will
see.
M
N
One
thing
is:
is
that
we
will
review
the
plans
again
further
and
I'm
sure
the
clerks
will
take
that
into
consideration,
but
we'll
also
probably
take
it.
We'll
definitely
take
another
step
and
if
they
are
using
vote,
centers
to
educate
them
a
little
bit
more
on
how
how
to
make
those
things
flow
better.
How
to
have
enough
equipment
inside
of
holding
place
to
manage
larger
crowds.
N
I
mean
EPO
books
when
we
had
one
center
for
the
pandemic
in
Davis
County,
we
voted
4
200
people
in
the
12-hour
period
with
10
stations,
and
we
flowed
people
through
with
a
20
minute
no
later
than
20
minutes
in
a
line,
so
things
like
that
can
be
more
efficiently
done
and
we
need
to.
We
will
take
the
opportunity
in
the
future
to
train
more
in
that
aspect
and
that
that
will
lead
to
some
of
the
part
and
I
know
that
the
ballot
we
had
ballot
issues
we
had
I'm
sure
you
heard
all
of
it.
N
We've
had
more
than
just
that.
That
would
have
led
to
the
lines
the
the
size
of
the
ballot,
the
amendment,
the
the
jamming
of
machines
and
a
lot
of
these
counties
are
using
new
machines.
So
we
we've
we've
spoken
to
the
vendor
about
that.
So
we
we
have
a
lot
of
things
that
we'll
assess
and
analyze
and
we'll
we'll
make
it
better.
M
K
Too,
so,
can
you
tell
me
and
give
you
give
me
a
more
of
an
explanation
of
why
the
board
approved
after
a
recommendation
from
the
Secretary
of
State
and
calls
from
various
members
elected
officials,
individuals
to
the
board
to
make
sure
that
you
have
more
voting
locations?
What
was
the
decision
by
the
board
to
reject
that
request?.
J
Thank
you
representative.
If
I
may,
the
boards
I
can't
speak
for
the
individual
board
members.
J
I,
don't
believe
I
believe
the
invitation
was
specifically
for
the
executive
director,
I
can't
speak
to
who
all
was
actually
invited,
but
for
the
process
of
approving
The
Oldham
County
plan.
Specifically,
we
can
talk
about
all
of
them,
but
the
default.
This
is.
This
is
new
right.
As
secretary
said,
this
is
new
postcovid.
J
The
default
position
that
the
board
is
taking
is
that
we
have
120
County
clerks
on
the
ground.
They
should
know
and
I
know.
We
have
the
County
clerics
Association
president
here
and
he
might
talk
about
that
a
little
bit,
but
the
clerks
know
their
counties.
J
Our
board
members
do
live
throughout
the
state
and
they
know
their
counties,
but
they
don't
know
all
120
counties.
So
there
is
deference
given
to
the
clerks
that
are
running
the
elections
on
the
ground,
and
this
is
new
to
them
and
and
from
what
I've
heard
and
again,
the
kcca
president
can
speak
on
this
as
well.
J
I
thank
secretary
hinted
at
it
there's
a
real
problem
with
recruiting
poll
workers
right
now,
the
the
threats
that
are
out
there
and
and
we
work
the
hotline
with
the
AG's
office
on
Election
Day
and
for
whatever
reason
people
get
charged
when
they
go
to
vote
sometimes
and
we're
losing
poll
workers
and
it's
hard
for
these
clerics
to
recruit
poll
workers
and
because
of
that
it
becomes
harder
to
staff
the
locations
that
they
used
to
and
I.
J
Think
given
the
opportunity
to
consolidate
the
clerks,
took
it
and
like
I
said,
given
that
they
are,
the
elected
officials
on
the
ground.
Deference
was
given
to
the
choices
that
they
made.
I
think
did.
J
N
N
K
But
excuse
me
so
what
makes
what
is
your
determining
factor
in
terms
of
determining
some
need
to
have
more
locations
versus
some
that
you
didn't?
Do
it
now?
Yeah
I
think
you
mentioned
something
a
few
minutes
ago
about
coverage
and
so
forth,
but
it
I'm
just
trying
to
get
your
your
rationale,
your
logic,
in
terms
of
what
makes
you
go
one
way
and
not
the
other
way
on
another
in
another
area,.
N
Looking
at
the
geographical
locations
of
where
they
were
placing
their
their
voting
centers
if
they
used
voting
centers
trying
to
space
those
out
again,
we
I
will
say
honestly
admit
that
we
did
defer
at
the
end
to
the
clerk's
decisions
when
even
if
there
was
pushback
to
us.
For
that
we
did.
We
took
it
into
consideration
and
we
we
made
up
made
I,
sent
detailed
notes
to
the
boards
on
the
on
those
plans
and
things
that
we
had
done.
N
Also,
we
we
took
into
consideration
the
number
of
people
that
were
that
would
possibly
vote
under
different
percentages
and
kind
of
got
it
got
it
that
Precinct
I
mean,
like
I,
said:
I
use
the
base
count
for
my
the
4200
people
that
could
vote
in
a
day
at
a
voting
center
with
with
the
proper
with
the
appropriate
setup,
and
we
kind
of
guided
that
towards
that
guy
and
I
think
one
thing
that
threw
some
of
the
clerks
off
for
what
they
did
was
the
primary
thank
talking
that
most
of
the
elections
were
over
and
that
I
think
that
led
to
some
resistance
to
the
idea
that
there
would
be
a
bigger
turnout
than
there
was
and
then
again,
Jason
Denny
can
attest
to
that.
J
And
if
I
may,
because
I
was
the
one
on
the
ground
for
all
these
recounts
from
the
state
board's
point
of
view,
I
think
what
secretary
said
about
this
recount
in
Oldham
County,
specifically
just
two
weeks
before
the
election,
with
a
new
clerk
that
that
put
a
tremendous
strain
on
Oldham,
County
and
I.
I
can't
I
wanted
that
to
be
reiterated,
because
that
was
that
was
very
unfair
to
Oldham
County's
voters
and
the
clerk
and
her
staff.
So.
A
Yeah
and
that's
the
point,
it
is
very
unfair
to
Oldham
County,
it's
not
just
Odom
County.
You
said
every
4,
200
voters,
Oldham
County
has
59
000,
registered
voters
and
there's
five
locations.
That's
not
4
200.!
That's
triple
that!
Just
want
to
put
that
on
the
record.
I
mean
this
this
plan,
and
this
isn't
this
we're
not.
We
can't
wipe
this
away
with.
This
is
new.
A
This
happened
in
the
primary
the
speaker
of
the
house
and
and
Odom's
other
Representatives
went
to
the
top
elected
official
and
he
went
to
the
state
board
and
the
State
Board
didn't
do
anything.
I
mean
this
was
not
some
kind
of
new
thing
not
foreseeable.
This
was
foreseeable
and
it's
it's
just
unacceptable.
We're
lucky
somebody
didn't
get
hit
crossing
the
big
road
or
that
it
didn't
rain.
I
mean
anyway,
all
right,
representative
Blanton.
A
H
You
Mr
chairman,
very
shocking
videos
to
see
first
thing
that
came
to
my
mind
and
watching.
That
was
what
the
chairman
said:
voter
suppression,
how
many
people
showed
up
that
day
at
that
location
or
others
that
may
have
been
like
it
to
to
cast
their
ballots
and
turned
away
and
and
didn't
stay
I
mean
those
those
people
kudos
to
those
that
stood
in
line
all
that
time
to
have
their
voices
heard
that
in
today's
today's
world
of
of
technology
and
things
that
should
never
happen.
H
Mr
Brown,
you-
you
spoke
about
the
the
poll
workers
and
the
threats,
but
I
also
have
a
concern
and
I
know.
This
is
something
that's
probably
on
our
our
backs,
but
we're
going
to
have
to
increase
pay
for
our
poll
workers
we're
going
to
incentivize
people
to
be
willing
to
come
out,
I
mean
not
only
do
they
do
training
but
they're
getting
up
at
three
or
four
o'clock
in
the
morning.
They're
spend
their
entire
day.
Some
of
them
dedicated
enough
to
even
take
off
from
work
from
jobs.
H
They
don't
get
paid
for
missing
that
day,
so
we're
going
to
have
to
properly
compensate
our
poll
workers
for
one
thing
that
has
to
be
done.
It
has
to
be
done.
Another
thing
is
I'm
still
finding
issues
that
we
need
to
address
going
forward.
That
I
think
we're,
maybe
unintentionally
missed
one
of
the
things
that
popped
up
during
this
is
during
the
absentee
voting
and
early
voting
time
period
is
apparently
the
100
foot
rule
from
the
polls
does
not
apply
there
as
it
does
on
election
days.
H
We
we
got
to
remedy
that,
and
and
actually
I'm,
not
a
fan
of
100
feet.
I
think
it
ought
to
be
farther
than
that,
but
at
least
the
100
feet
has
to
be
applied
anytime.
Those
machines
are
being
voted
on.
You
should
have
to
be
at
least
100
feet
from
that
location
period.
I
mean
I
know
that
those
take
place
mostly
within
our
clerk's
office.
H
H
I
know
that
people
are
today's
technology
with
the
paper
ballots
and
secures
we're
making
it
and
so
they're
taking
pictures
their
ballots
after
they're
printed
before
they
scan
them,
but
they're
also
using
that
then
to
go
out
and
show
where
they
voted
to
collect
their
fee
for
their
vote.
I
don't
know
if
you're
aware
of
that,
but
it
is
happening.
It
reminds
me
of
the
day
back
in
the
60s
and
70s
how
they
used
to
rotate
the
ballots
to
get
paid
for
their
votes.
H
H
Huge
problem,
Attorney
General's
office
has
been
in
my
home
county
now
more
times
than
not.
This
is
during
the
local
election
times
that
we
have
these
things
happen,
but
they
are
happening.
I,
don't
know
how
we're
going
to
fix
this,
but
it
is
still
a
major
major
issue
where
I
come
from
folks
to
say
that
there
is
no
issues
within
our
elections
is
not
totally
true.
H
You
could
call
them
small,
minuscule,
but
they're
happening
in
some
counties
and,
in
my
opinion,
every
120
in
counties
in
this
state
is
just
as
important
as
next,
and
those
people
running
in
my
area
for
local
elections
has
put
themselves
out.
There
has
just
as
much
right
to
expect
a
clean
election
that
is
untampered
with
as
anybody
else
in
any
other
County
in
this
Commonwealth.
H
We
got
to
find
a
way
to
remove
that
if
that
means
increasing
penalties,
if
that
means
encouraging
the
Attorney
General's
office
and
the
state
police
and
the
FBI
to
be
more
proactive
rather
than
reactive,
it.
You
see
it's
a
cultural
thing
and
it's
culturally
accepted
in
some
areas
to
do
this.
They
don't
frown
upon
it
necessarily
as
being
bad,
but
that
culture
is
changing
and
we
have
to
help
put
a
stop
to
it,
because
it's
not
fair
to
the
people,
that's
putting
themselves
out
there.
H
H
That
is
one
of
many
reasons,
but
we've
seen
delays
because
they
were
so
lengthy
and
people
just
they
were
trying
to
read
them
and
understand
them.
It
made
it
so
convoluted,
it's
unnecessary
and
it's
uncalled
for
and
I
think
that's
about
it.
I
didn't
have
any
questions,
that's
just
my
comments,
Mr
chairman
from
my
list.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
representative.
Riley.
A
O
You
Mr
chair,
if
I
could
could
I
ask
you
a
couple
questions,
Mr
chair
and
just
to
clarify
some
things.
Of
course,
first
of
all,
the
film
you
showed
that
was
550.
did
I
understand
that
right,
right.
Okay,
at
what
time
did
the
last
person
vote
that
was
in
in
that
line.
A
P
I
mean
that
that
was
absolutely
uncalled
for,
and
we
could
continue
to
belabor
that
my
question
I
woke
up
that
morning
with
a
text
message
from
a
constituent
in
my
home
county
about
the
ballot
length
of
the
paper
length
and
immediately
just
continue
to
get
messages
like
that
throughout
the
day,
people
alerting
me
about
the
situation
so
by
the
time
I
went
and
voted.
It
happened
to
me
as
well,
and
so
my
question
is:
is
that
a
commonality
of
that
happening?
P
Because
when
we
are
trying
to
debunk
theories
and
some
things
that
are
out
there
immediately,
it
turns
to
somebody
seeing
this
happen
to
them.
They
have
to
go
and
vote
again.
It
could
take
two
or
three
times
but
I
guess.
My
question
is
what
was
it
this
year
that
caused
that?
And
is
that
something
that
has
happened
in
years
past,
because
this
was
the
first
time
I've
really
been
alerted
to
the
issue
issue
about
the
the
length
of
the
paper
and
the
voter
having
to
go
back
and
and
re-vote.
N
For
their
the
ballots
as
they
are
printed
out,
they
have
barcodes
on
the
side
of
them
and
those
barcodes
are
there
for
security
reasons,
so
you
can't
take
one
ballot
and
run
it
through
a
machine
twice
like
if
you
were
trying
to
do
something
like
that,
so
that
that
security
feature,
if
that,
if
that
barcode,
has
a
Mark
or
has
something
rubbed
off
of
rubbing
on
it,
it
will
reject
it
for
that
now.
N
This
is
the
first
time
Kentucky
has
ever
had
that
size
of
ballot
on
any
machine
and
front,
and
back
so
that
this
this
is
the
first
time.
That's
the
experience.
That's
the
first
time
the
vendors
have
had
to
experience
that
in
Kentucky,
so
I
and
I
think
it's
the
first
time.
Anybody
in
Kentucky's
ever
had
to
do
that.
I'm
sure
that
that
had
an
issue
we
have
we've
talked
we've
talked
with
the
vendor
and
we're
going
to
ask
some
more
questions
to
make
sure
that
that
doesn't
occur
anymore.
N
Hopefully,
it'll
be
a
little
while
before
we
have
a
ballot.
That
could
be
this
size
again
unless
you
all
have
to
put
a
bunch
of
amendments
on
a
constitution
or
something,
but
that
should
that,
should
that
should
not
be
an
issue
in
the
future
and
I
think
the
vendors
will
have
a
issue
make
sure
that
that
doesn't
occur.
It
did
occur
in
Davis
County.
N
One
time
we
actually
had
the
ability
to
print
our
ballots
again,
and
it
was
a
vendor
issue
with
paper
that
sometimes
occurs
also
you'll
know
you'll
know
that
the
more
counties
and
we've
encouraged
the
counties
to
do
this,
the
print-on-demand
system,
so
that
they
can
print
the
ballots
right
there,
so
they
don't
have
to
have
pre-printed
ballots.
That's
a
that's
a
something
that
they're
going
to
look
at
in
the
future.
I
would
imagine,
because
during
the
early
voting
site
they
used
that,
and
we
didn't
have
that
many
we
didn't
know.
N
A
K
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
to
me
there's
so
far
in,
but
so
far
I
can
see.
There's
three
issues.
One
is
accessibility
that
the
chairman
went
through
and
detailed.
The
next
one
is
integrity
which
representative
Blanton
talked
about.
What's
going
on
his
neck
of
the
woods
and
the
third
I
think
is
reporting.
K
I
can't
tell
you
the
the
delay
of
of
what
the
results
should
be.
The
media
is
depending
on
this,
we're,
depending
on
this
and
the
looking
at
what
what
y'all,
what
y'all
have
out
there
is
very,
very
slow
and
I.
Want
you
to
explain
to
me
and
I.
It
looks
like
to
me
there's
I
guess:
y'all
may
have
changed
softwares
or
changed
vendors,
or
something
like
that,
because
it's
to
me
yeah
I've
gone
backwards
and
and
I
it's.
K
It's
really
a
detriment
to
getting
the
permission
out
in
an
expeditious
way
in
an
accurate
and
high
integrity,
because
they're
right
there
it
didn't
exists.
It
was
totally
frustration
on
everybody
that
I
talked
to
about
that.
Could
you
explain
if,
if
my
assumption
is
correct,
you
change
vendors?
K
Why
did
you
do
that
and
what
you're
going
to
do
to
improve
to
make
sure
the
reporting
is
done
better
because,
like
I
said,
there's
three
issues
and
y'all
got
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done,
and
this
committee
is
going
to
be
basically
we're
a
report
from
y'all
over
the
next
couple
of
months
in
terms
of
what
y'all
going
to
do
and
how
you're
going
to
change
things.
Absolutely.
J
Thank
you,
representative.
The
election
night
reporting
issue
is
actually
something
that
Kentucky
should
feel
proud
about.
We,
after
2020
made
the
decision
to
you
are
correct.
We
we
switched
the
the
platform.
At
that
time,
we
were
using
a
vendor
that
a
number
of
states
still
use
that
is
owned.
It's
a
foreign
foreign
owned
Corporation
to
secure
our
elections,
even
further
to
guarantee
that
Integrity
that
you
mentioned,
we
made
the
decision
to
get
away
from
this
foreign
owned
vendor
and
bring
everything
in-house.
J
So
the
decision
was
made
to
bring
it
in-house,
and
this
is
not.
You
know
this-
isn't
a
godaddy.com
website
it's
in
the
WordPress
website.
This
is
a
very,
very
intricate
website
that
needs
plugged
in
from
120
counties
throughout
the
state,
and
this
was
the
first
general
election
for
that
website
and
it
you're
correct
it's
a
different
different
platform
because
it
is
ours,
as
opposed
to
the
vendors
and
this
being
our
first
time,
I
think
everyone
was
used
to
getting
results.
J
Five:
six
hours
after
the
close
of
polls
right
now,
I
believe,
if
you
looked
at
our
website,
we've
got
everybody
reporting,
whereas
just
earlier
while
I
was
sitting
here,
I
looked.
A
O
K
Appreciate
you
saying
that
and
I
appreciate
the
foreign
element,
given
the
I
guess
the
conversation
but
I
got
to
believe.
There's
other
and
I
appreciate
you
want
to
bring
this
in-house,
but
there's
other
there's
got
to
be
other
vendors,
other
people
within
United
States
that
can
provide
this
in
a
more
and
and
I
in
a
very
prudent
secured,
high
confidence
level
in
order
to
get
this
information
out
in
a
timely
manner,
because
previously
years
you
had
a
high
standard
because
people
like
that
and
and
y'all
Bart
inside
you
know
that's
your
decision.
J
And
I
can't
representative
I
can't
speak
to
why
we
all
were
100.
Martin
is
now
that
I
I
don't
know
what
the
without
talking
to
the
IT
team,
why
that
is
showing
that
way?
Right
now,
but
representative
Fleming
to
your
point,
there
I
don't
know
of
a
domestic
provider
of
this
service
that
would
be
any
more
effective
than
what
we've
got.
The
the
vast
majority
of
jurisdictions
that
don't
do.
J
An
in-house
election
night
reporting
are
using
this
foreign
owned
Corporation,
including
ones
that
are
including
states
that
are
getting
lauded
right
now,
for
having
the
the
quick
returns
and
I
would
say
this
too,
that
it's
part
of
the
disclaimer
on
our
website.
These
numbers
I
know
everybody
wants
numbers
as
soon
as
possible,
but
the
the
true
numbers
that
matter
are
the
numbers
that
are
certified
by
the
clerks
to
the
cert
to
the
Secretary
of
State.
And
then
we
issue
this
certificates
of
nomination
based
off
that
I
know
everybody.
A
That's
true,
no
doubt
about
it,
but
you
cannot
give
false
numbers
correct.
Even
things
like
what
happened
on
CNN,
we
know
the.
We
know
the
issue
there
with
the
Bevin
Bashir
race.
We
know
the
issue,
everyone
studied
it,
but
that
starts
these
conspiracy
theories.
Steve
bratcher
was
shown
to
have
lost,
he
won
big
Rachel
Roberts
was
shown
to
have
lost.
She
won
pretty
big.
A
J
And
I
we
were
watching
that
on
TVs
with
representative
bratcher
saw
it
on
TV
ourselves
and
again.
That
would
I
I
think,
what's
not
fully
understood
by
a
lot
of
individuals.
I
didn't
realize
it
until
I
took
this
job.
Actually
is
the
numbers
we're
seeing
on
TV
are
not
always
the
numbers
that
are
coming
from
the
states.
These
media
Outlets
employ
what
they
call
stringers
or
Runners
to
go.
A
M
J
J
I,
don't
even
know
where
I
was
anymore,
but
I
guess
just
to
say
that
I
I
know
everybody
wants
numbers
fast,
but
as
representative
Nema
said,
we
don't
want
to
put
wrong
numbers
out
there.
So
we're
trying
to
while
speed
is
valued.
The
Integrity
of
the
numbers
is,
is
more
valued,
so
we're
trying
to
get
the
right
numbers
out
as
opposed
to
the
fast
numbers.
Let.
A
Me
ask
you
a
question
on
this
question
sure.
So,
as
legislators
I
want
to
know
who
I
can
hold
accountable,
I
can't
hold
you
accountable,
I
can
hold
Mike
Adams
account
because
I
can
vote
for
him
against
them.
Why
don't
we
transfer
this
this
over
to
Secretary
of
State
Adams?
You
don't
have
to
answer
that
question,
but
that's
something
that's
on
my
mind.
So
what
can
hold
him
accountable
if
he,
if
he
does,
does
bad
I
can't
hold
anybody
in
the
State
Board
of
Elections,
accountable,
sure.
J
I
think
that's
and
I
was
gonna,
respond
a
little
bit
in
this
same
light
with
representative
Blanton's
comments,
I
I
think
it's
a
funding
issue,
partly
I.
Don't
think
the
Secretary
of
State's
office
at
this
time
has
the
the
I.T
staff
that
would
be
necessary
for
that
and
that
just
that
goes
back
to
the
the
poll.
Worker
thing
is:
is
that
there's
gonna
I
think
in
the
statute
right
now,
they're
only
guaranteed
sixty
dollars
a
day
and
they're
they're
working
at
minimum
a
12-hour
day.
J
So
just
and
that's
another
conversation
we
can
have
overall
but
I.
Think
funding
for
elections
in
general
is
something
that
we'll
need
to
look
at.
E
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
and
I,
want
to
thank
you
all
for
being
here,
taking
the
Heat
and
for
your
work
in
the
future,
because
I
feel
confident
that
you're
going
to
straighten
this
out
and
I'm
sure
that
chairman
neimas
will
make
sure
that
so
but
I
wanted
to
mention
Bullock
County.
We
had
a
problem
too.
Now
the
chairman
already
mentioned
that
the
I
was
told
that
there
was
such
a
big
turnout.
E
It
was
twice
the
twice
of
the
primary
well,
you
know:
I,
don't
I'm
not
privy
to
the
data,
but
I
would
think
twice.
The
primary
would
be
less.
I
would
have
thought
it'd
be
even
more
than
twice
the
primary.
What
I
would
have
done
is
I
would
have
over
prepared
on
Election
Day,
because
people
in
the
early
days
they
could
come
back,
maybe
maybe
they're
going
out
of
town
or
something,
but
on
Election
Day.
E
You
can't
come
back
and
there's
already
been
testimonial
of
people
leaving
people
not
wanting
to
wait
in
line
that
long
and
not
just
the
last
minute
at
5
50
that
they
left
and
didn't
come
back
earlier
in
the
day.
E
So
a
year
or
two
or
a
election
or
two
ago,
every
Precinct.
Yes,
we
struggle
with
poll
workers,
but
then
we
consolidate
and
we're
still
saying
we're
having
trouble
with
poll
workers.
What
happened
to
all
of
those
Precinct
poll
workers,
so
I
just
don't
buy
that
we
didn't
have
enough
poll
workers
or
we
didn't.
We
didn't
take
the
opportunity
to
go,
get
them
I.
Think
because.
A
E
Went
from
how
many
poll
workers
I'd
like
to
know
that
stat
how
many
poll
workers
did
we
go
when
we
had
all
the
precincts
open
to
how
many
we
used
for
the
super
file,
only
five
super
centers
that
we
had
in
Bullitt
County,
the
one
thing
I
did
like
you-
could
go
anywhere
and
vote
for
anything
in
the
county.
Now
that
that
is
a
good
deal
and
then
something
that
has
to
be
reiterated
if
it's
bad
weather,
we're
in
big
trouble
big
trouble
on
Election
Day.
E
If
we
don't
take
care
of
this-
and
you
know
we-
we
close
the
parking
lots
on
in
Odom
County,
but
that's
still
that
what
about
the
people
that
maybe
came
from
another
Center
that
was
too
busy
and
thought
they
could
vote
somewhere
else
and
can't
get
into
the
parking
lot
now
it's
shut
down.
So
I
think
we
just
have
to
take
care
of
this.
J
The
only
thing
Senator
that
I
would
point
out,
there's
you're
right
Jefferson
doesn't
have
that
problem.
A
lot
of
the
more
well-funded
counties
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
the
pay,
because
I
I
might
have
this
number
wrong,
and
maybe
Casey
president
can
correct
me
if
he
knows
but
I
believe
Jefferson
is
able
to
pay
upwards
of
300
a
day
for
their
poll
workers,
which
is
not
the
same
as
every
County.
J
But
there
has
there
has
been
turnover
and
he
might
have
numbers
that
he
can
share
when
he
comes
up
and
talks,
but
I
I
think
we
all
do
agree
that
we
we
got
lucky
with
the
weather
this
year,
if
it,
if,
if
it
had
been
an
ordinary
November
in
Kentucky,
it
could
very
well
have
been
rainy
and
cold,
and
a
lot
of
individuals
might
not
have
stayed
in
that
line.
You're
correct.
M
You
one
of
the
things
I'd
like
to
add
about
the
poll
worker
is
each
County's
party
chair,
collects
the
names
Richard
can
attest
to.
This
will
bring
names
to
the
Clerk
and
help
them
to
get
the
poll
workers,
but
often
is
the
clerk's
office
having
to
go
and
try
to
find
more.
M
The
parties
are
having
difficulty
getting
a
list
large
enough
of
both
to
ensure
party
parity,
and
that
has
been
a
that's
what
we
heard
more
of
in
the
last
two
elections
and
then
them
having
to
do
emergency
poll
workers,
because
you
know
person
comes
up
sick
on
that
day
or
family
issues,
or
they
just
don't
show
up.
M
But
the
issue
with
pay
is
pretty
significant
because
that's
bore
by
the
counties
and
their
fiscal
courts
and
based
on
what
they
can
their
ability
to
pay,
and
there
are
counties
that
are
only
paying
a
hundred
dollars
and
and
it's
it's
a
big
job.
It's
a
large
responsibility
and
I
think
that
you
know
Taylor.
You
know
mentioning
what
that
is.
That's
significant
in
trying
to
recruit
poll
workers,
but
I
can
see
that
funding
helping
the
counties
to
fund
for
poll
worker
pay
is
probably
pretty
significant
and
I'll.
D
Apology
accepted
no
problem
a
couple
things
number
one:
I,
don't
disagree
with
anything
that
I've
heard
this
morning
either
from
other
members
of
the
committee
are
from
you
a
couple
comments
number
one
as
I
look
around
here,
I
think
I've
probably
had
the
opportunity
to
vote
more
than
anybody
else
in
the
room
and
with
that
in
mind,
I
just
want
to
make
the
point
that
long
lines
have
been
a
problem
ever
since
I
started
to
vote
so
I'm
not
trying
to
say
that
it
doesn't
need
to
be
improved
because
I
think
it
surely
does.
D
D
Workers
I
don't
know
that
that's
wrong,
but
not
all
counties
have
two
parties
in
place,
so
we
might
want
to
take
a
look
at
how
to
change
that
if
they,
if
they
don't
have
to
make
it
easier
on
the
local
clerks
and
finally,
because
y'all
been
taking
just
a
heap
of
abuse
this
morning,
I
just
want
to
say
I'm,
proud
that
you
didn't
do
the
job.
That
Arizona
is
doing.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
L
Q
Money,
that's
at
the
top
of
the
list
to
solve
a
lot
of
these
problems
is
finances.
There
are
some
counties
that
I
know
are
paying
the
minimum
of
sixty
dollars
per
election
officer
for
a
not
a
12-hour
day.
It
was
a
15
or
a
16
hour
day.
This
last
time
we're
all
not
as
lucky
as
Jefferson
County
and
to
have
that
funding.
Q
Some
fiscal
courts
see
the
need
and
find
the
funding
and
are
able
to
help
us
raise
those
fees
from
time
to
time.
Other
physical
courts
don't
choose
to
support
that
endeavor
and
they
stay
at
that
minimum.
So
we
have
to
come
to
some
sort
of
maybe
consistency
across
the
state
and
some
way
to
offset
and
help
these
fiscal
courts
that
might
be
strapped
and
can't
raise
that.
But
funding
is
a
big
issue.
Q
In
theory,
we
dealt
with
elections,
April
May,
October,
November,
myself,
and
one
Deputy
are
putting
in
75
percent
of
our
time,
just
in
that
pre-preparation
state,
and
then
we
have
others
that
are
putting
in
multiple
times.
If
we
didn't
have
the
motor
vehicle
side
and
the
land
record
side
to
fund
our
offices,
that's
what's
keeping
elections
going
in
our
County
county
offices
and
for
those
counties
that
don't
have
a
lot
of
deed
recordings
and
a
lot
of
Motor
Vehicles
that
funding's
not
there
for
their
staff
to
be
there
to
help
them.
Q
The
certification
process
money
the
length
of
the
ballot
I've
never
seen
anything
like
it
in
the
14
years
that
I've
been
in
office,
and
hopefully
we
won't
see
it
again
for
a
while.
We
know
in
the
primary
in
2023.
We
won't
see
that
length
of
ballot
we'll
be
back
to
that
in
with
those
harp
counties
or
heart.
Inner
Civic
counties
it'll
be
back
to
an
eight
and
a
half
by
eleven
sheet
of
paper.
The
normal
ballot
stock.
Q
The
vendor
in
our
case,
did
not
know
until
the
certification
was
done
on
the
ballot
that
it
was
going
to
be
that
complex
on
the
amendment
once
they
got
it
had
to
realize.
We
have
to
go
to
our
paper
vendor
and
try
to
find
that
stock
and
length
of
Paper
Supply
demands.
They
were
able
to
get
it.
Luckily,
if
that
hadn't
happened,
every
person
in
our
County
for
sure
in
most
counties
across
the
state
would
have
gotten
two
pieces
of
paper
to
have
scanned.
Q
Can
you
imagine
that
issue
so
I
hate
to
say
this,
but
the
best
decision
was
made
to
go
with
go
with
a
longer
piece
of
ballot.
It
did
cause
some
paper
jams
in
some
instances
of
things
that
we're
going
to
have
to
realize
and
prepare
for
in
the
future.
If
this
long
ballot
ever
takes
place
again,
the
complexity
of
the
ballot
and
the
amendment,
confusion,
I,
don't
think
an
English
scholar
could
read
it
and
know
for
certain
how
they
were
voting.
Q
Sometimes
they
were
utilizing
that
cell
phone
setting
at
the
line-
Google,
what's
this
mean,
and
how
should
I
vote
now?
Yes,
there's
a
Time
living
in
statute
of
five
minutes,
but
most
clerks
don't
and
the
county
boards
don't
want
to
kick
a
voter
out
away
from
a
voting
station
when
they're
marking
the
ballot
so
most
have
never
exercised.
That
five
minutes
was
probably
not
adequate.
If
somebody
come
in
and
didn't
had
no
preparation
time,
part
of
it
is
education,
voter
education.
Q
Q
The
hundred
foot
rule
I
was
holy
place
anywhere.
A
voter
is
to
cast
a
ballot,
ought
to
be
the
same
as
election
day.
I,
don't
care.
If
it's
in
the
office
at
the
clerk's
office,
it's
an
early
vote
Center
or
it's
election
day.
The
same
rule
needs
to
apply.
If
you
want
to
go
three
four
five
hundred
foot,
we
don't
care
just
consistent
across
every
method
of
voting
in
the
state.
Q
The
formula
it's
been
a
topic
there,
there
there's
probably
no
exact,
Rhyme
or
Reason.
You
know
this
election
is
different
than
the
next
election
I'm
already
thinking
for
2024.,
because
how
bad
is
it
going
to
be
it's
going
to
be
long,
there's
going
to
be
long
lines,
we're
going
to
have
to
prepare
more
for
2024.
Q
2023,
the
numbers
we
were
in
Anderson
County.
We
were
adequate,
but
if
it
hadn't
been
for
state
board
questioning
my
plan
to
have
me
and
the
board
rethink,
adding
one
more
Center
would
have
been
in
the
hot
seat
too.
So
I'll
give
them
Kudos.
They
questions
and
Richard
said
Jason.
You
need
to
rethink.
This,
went
back
to
the
board
so
give
kudos
for
that.
They
they
did
question
us
all
end
result.
Q
My
name's
on
the
ballot,
the
board,
is
there
to
support
me,
but
if
I,
if
the
county
fails,
I
fail
I'm
in
the
hot
seat
and
we
had
long
lines
and
our
Draft
Day
facility
that
we're
backed
up
an
hour
but
a
facility
within
our
distance
had
no
lines
they
chose
to
set
in
that
line.
So
they
had
two
other
opportunities
that
date
within
a
mile
away
to
go
vote
and
they
wouldn't
so.
Q
Voters
in
the
in
my
facility
had
options
for
other
centers
and
chose
not
to
use
those
and
those
centers
were
not
utilized
like
they
should
have
been,
and
they
were
close
by
that's
not
in
every
County's
case
and
I.
Agree
with
that.
Using
phones
is
a
big
issue.
I
agree
with
both
that
issue,
as
well
as
the
research
time
if
they
want
to
look
up
a
candidate
and
see
their
platform
they're
doing
all
that
stuff
on
their
phone
inside
the
voting
location.
So
I
think
that
really
needs
addressed.
Q
Q
We
were
so
it
was
so
successful.
Well,
we
got
to
look
back.
We
had
19
days,
not
accident
for
extra
days.
It's
not
what
we're
asking
for
I
think
we
just
need
to
step
back,
learn
a
lesson
from
this
and
don't
ever
let
it
happen
again
Statewide,
but
it's
going
to
take
funding
on
the
state
level.
It's
going
to
take
laws
that
raise
that
minimum
of
60
dollars.
Q
Q
We
are
very
lucky
if
we
get
one
name
or
excuse
me
four
names
but
we're
lucky.
If
we
get
two
names,
then
the
statute
allows
for
the
county
boards
to
find
election
officers.
If
those
executive
parties
can't
and
if
the
executive,
if
the
boards
can't
then
it's
on
the
county
clerk
to
find
so
there
it's
is
in
statute.
You
all
have
clarified
that
that
was
fixed
a
couple
years
ago.
So
there's
a
process.
If
there's
not
an
executive
board
that
the
county
boards
can
locate
election
officers.
Q
My
County
boards
reached
out
to
me
and
said:
can
you
give
me
the
list
of
who
worked
last
time?
If
they
were
good,
they
look
it
over.
They
try
to
add
to
it
and
they
send
it
back.
Signed
I,
don't
mind
doing
that,
I
think
other
County
clerks
do
the
same
thing
help
them.
There
are
times,
though,
that
there
are
election
officers
that
are
not
qualified
or
have
caused
issues
in
the
past,
and
we
might
have
to
call
election
officers
from
that
list.
Q
Not
every
person
that
volunteers
to
be
an
election
officer
should
be
an
election
officer
if
there
have
been
issues
in
the
past
if
there's
violations
in
the
past,
if
we've
had
complaints
in
the
past,
it's
up
to
that
board
to
protect
the
Integrity
of
that
election
process
and
remove
them
and
not
consider
them
in
the
future.
So
that's
up
to
that
board
to
do
that,
but
the
the
money,
I
guess,
is
the
best.
The
biggest
issue
I
understand
the
warm
and
fuzzy
feeling
of
seeing
your
name
on
Election
night
on
a
website.
Q
I
like
it
too
I
get
on
and
see
if
my
fellow
clerks
how
they
did
Etc
and
it's
improving,
we'll
get
we'll
get
back
to
that
night,
but
and
I
report
on
Facebook
I
report
on
a
website.
But
none
of
that
is
important
as
getting
it
right
behind
the
scenes
and
being
sure
you're
not
rushed
to
give
that
warm
and
fuzzy
feeling
that
you're
you're
checking
ever
taken.
Every
card
and
doing
the
reports
correctly
and
being
sure
everything
that
night's
right
and
until
Friday
at
noon,
that
vote
is
not
certified
and
at
Friday
at
noon.
Q
A
That's
right,
I
want
to
note
real,
quick
I
think
it's
very
important
that
it's
accurate,
that's
the
most
important
thing,
but
let's
not,
let's
not
say
that
speed
isn't
important.
Also,
it's
important
for
a
number
of
reasons.
One
reason
I'm
old
enough
to
know
I'm
only
44
but
I'm
old
enough
to
know
I'll
read
this
Kentucky
Supreme
Court
opinions,
the
Republican
and
Democrat
counties
in
the
past.
Let's
hope
they're
only
in
the
past
yeah
right
who,
if
they
have
a
few
days-
and
they
know
how
many
votes
they
need
they'll
go
find
them.
A
L
Clerk
Denny
asked
me
to
mention
a
couple
things
before
opening
up
the
questions.
First,
is
the
state
board
the
Secretary
of
State's
office
and
the
clerks?
We
got
together
a
couple
weeks
before
the
elections.
To
start
a
conversation,
we've
all
been
keeping
lists
of
things
we've
identified,
including,
for
example,
like
representative
Blanton's
concern
about
the
electioneering
law.
L
There
are
some
issues
with
filing
candidate
replacement,
all
kinds
of
things
that
have
come
up
and
so
we're
working
together
to
identify
those
kinds
of
issues
and
we'll
work
with
all
of
you
on
some
of
those
issues
and
we're
going
to
do
it
together
and
obviously,
after
having
gone
through
an
election,
we
we,
you
know,
the
list
has
grown
in
the
last
week
or
two
second
thing
is
I
just
want
to
I
know:
we've
been
talking
about
the
length
of
the
ballot,
but
one
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is
every
eight
years
all
the
judges
at
the
trial,
level,
circuit
and
District
are
on
the
ballot.
L
So
every
eight
years
you
have
a
it's
just
a
long
ballot
and
it
gets
worse
in
the
larger
counties
because
they
have
more
divisions.
You
know
Jefferson
County
has
something
like
40
43
circuit
and
judges.
I
remember
in
2006,
when
I
was
secretary,
we
also
had
the
it
was
every
24
years.
You
had
the
Commonwealth
Attorney
and
the
circuit
clerk,
so
you
had
even
two
more
races
and
thanks
to
Supreme
Court,
as
representative
planton
pointed
out.
L
You
now
have
word
for
word
these
long
amendments
and
so,
for
example,
if
it
takes
somebody
twice
as
long
to
vote,
you
need
twice
as
many
resources
to
have
the
same
length
of
line
so
next
year,
for
example,
that
I'm
not
saying
that
that's
the
Oldham
County
had
the
correct
plan,
but
if
you
had
that
exact
plan
in
Oldham
County
next
year,
with
six
races
on
the
ballot
outside
of
specials
no
line,
so
that's
just
something
as
we're
trying
to
figure
out.
How
do
we
solve
this,
whether
it's
a
formula
or
guidance
or
whatever?
L
We
have
to
think
keep
in
mind
length
of
the
ballot
and
I?
You
know-
and
we
were
talking
about
this
at
lunch.
I'm
not
sure
length
of
the
ballot
was
as
strong
as
a
consideration
as
it
should
have
been
in
developing
plans
and
approving
plans.
That
was
probably
you
know,
kind
of
a
failure
Statewide,
but
the
good
news
is
it's.
Every
eight
years
is
is
when
it's
really
bad.
So
the
next
couple
of
Elections.
L
That's
probably
during
this
uncertain
times.
That's
probably
correct.
Most
states
see
more
people
gradually
gravitating
to
voting
early
because
of
the
convenience,
but
the
first
time
around
first
few
times
around.
They
don't
take
advantage
of
it,
and
so
we
might
solve
election
day,
but
we
might
find
that
we
need
to
do.
You
know,
create
different
issues
with
making
sure
we
have
the
right
amount
of
resources
with
or
on
the
early
voting
days.
Q
In
states
that
have
done
early
voting
for
several
years,
they're
running
about
50
percent
of
their
voters,
voting
early
and
50
on
Election
Day,
now
I
haven't
looked
at
data
across
the
state,
but
in
Anderson
County
we
had
approximately
50
percent
turnout,
total
49.8
of
that
50
15
voted
in
the
first
three
days.
35
percent
voted
on
Election
Day.
Q
If
that
Trends
to
50
50
like
ever
States
my
lines
would
have
the
the
longest
line
I
would
have
had
would
have
been
30
minutes.
The
other
two
facilities
would
have
had
no
lines
whatsoever
and
so
I
think.
As
we
see
the
trend,
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
I
think
we
need
another
election
cycle
or
two
to
adjust
this,
and
we
know
in
the
May
primary
and
the
November
election
year
next
year.
Q
If
it's
a
moving
Target
and
you
don't-
you
want
to
be
over
prepared,
but
when
election
officers
sat
there
and
toreled
their
thumbs
all
day,
they
tend
not
to
volunteer
next
time.
We've
seen
that,
so
you
know
you
don't.
If
you
need
10,
you
don't
want
30
setting
there
and
20
not
doing
anything
in
the
you
know.
So
we
have
to
you
have
to
look
at
that,
because
you're
gonna
first
you're
racing
resources
in
a
second.
Q
H
Thank
you
just
a
quick
comment,
actually
I'm
sitting
here
and
we're
having
this
discussion
with
issues
with
poll
workers.
Obviously
the
pay
was
one
of
the
things
I'm
sitting
here.
Thinking
what's
one
of
the
things
we
want
to
do
right
now
is
we
want
to
engage
our
young
people
right?
We
want
to
get
them
engaged
in
the
process.
Maybe
maybe
we
need
to
have
conversations
with
our
local
universities
that
have
you
know
their
their
government?
Students
could
do
get
some
type
of
credit.
They
go
home
to
their
home
county.
H
They
serve
on
Election
Day,
as
as
poll
workers
to
help
them
learn
the
process
and
what
goes
on.
Maybe
we
should
look
at
teaming
with
them,
even
even
our
high
schools
that
has
18
year
olds
that
are
seniors
to
find
some
way.
It's
it's
twofold
win
I
mean
it's
not
going
to
solve
all
the
problems
right,
but
pennies
makes
dollars.
So
every
little
bit
helps.
H
So
we
get
our
poll
workers,
but
we
also
get
to
engage
our
young
people
in
the
process
because
they're
our
future
and
we
want
them
to
know,
it's
I-
think
we
we're
all
a
little
bit
shocked
to
know
sometimes
how
many
people
in
our
Commonwealth
don't
know
as
much
as
we
maybe
think
they
should
about
our
process
and
even
about
how
our
government
works
and
so
just
a
thought,
an
idea
to
throw
out
there
while
we're
on
this
conversation.
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman.
K
Thanks
Mr
chairman
I,
just
wanted
to
Bridge
off
of
Representative
Bland
I.
Think
it's
a
that's
a
nice
creative
out
of
the
box,
thinking
in
terms
of
getting
the
universities
and
high
schools
and
also
another
Avenue
in
terms
of
being
a
corporate
citizen,
is
work
with
the
corporations
and
see
if
they
could
pay
that
you
know
their
employees
and
I'm
just
thinking
just
thinking
off
time.
K
I
hadn't
really
thought
this
through,
but
he
just
spurred
the
idea
work
on
their
businesses
that
they
will
be
paid
by
the
business,
but
they
go
and
volunteer
their
time
to
save
money
for
the
clinic
clerks.
In
order
to
do
that,
so
that's
that's.
That's
a
thought
but
I
wanted.
My
question
is
this:
could
you
give
me
a
sort
of
a
an
understanding?
I've
got
somewhere
a
perception
in
terms
of
the
poll
worker.
Q
Back,
we
are
seeing
it
Trend
a
little
younger
because
2020
a
lot
of
our
elderly
quit,
because
their
families
would
not
let
them
work
during
covid
and
they
didn't
come
back.
That
was
that
was
the
biggest
brunt
of
what
I
saw.
I
saw
a
lot
of
my
65
or
olders,
some
of
my
better
ones
that
didn't
come
back
and
just
said
you
know,
I've
been
out
a
year
or
two
I
think
I'm
going
to
stay
out.
Q
Q
I
think
we
have
to
be
careful
with
our
businesses,
in
my
opinion,
pain
an
election
officer,
their
full
salary,
to
work.
Now,
if
they've
got
time,
I
understand
that
some
take
their
vacation
time,
so
I
want
to
be
very
I.
Think
the
idea
is
there.
We
just
need
to
sit
down,
and
maybe.
Q
Think
it's
a
good
idea
as
long
as
we
you
know
as
an
as
a
voter,
you
cannot
bring
your
boss
in
to
help
you
vote,
so
we
want
to
be
careful
that
we
don't
tread
that
lightly,
but
I
think
that's.
Q
Where
we're
going
to
have
to
move
to
is
get
the
the
business
group
in
evolved
and
say:
okay,
Mark
Jeff
Bezos.
Can
you
spare
a
few
Amazon
workers
today?
Maybe
we
need
transport?
Maybe
we
need
people
to
help
us
we're
skeleton.
Crews
I
worked
all
day
yesterday
with
three
trucks
and
trailers
with
one
and
picked
up
all
the
equipment
with
one
other
person,
because
we
have
a
skeleton
crew.
Q
Maybe
it's
maybe
we
need
a
couple
Amazon
trucks
to
help
pick
our
equipment
up
and
we
go
with
them
and
lock
them
down.
You
know.
Maybe
we
can
see
a
partnership
somewhere
down
the
road
when
we're
going
to
continue
struggling
as
we
see
this
negativity
Nationwide
until
we
get
over
that
it
that's
part
of
it.
I
just
don't
want
to
deal
with
that.
I,
don't
want
to
deal
with
that
being
chastised.
I,
don't
want
somebody
to
question.
Q
Would
say
mostly
I
can't
speak
for
every
County.
You
know
we
we've,
you
know,
we've
got,
we've
got
Jefferson's
and
then
we've
got
the
owlsleys
that
are
so
small,
so
I'm
kind
of
in
the
middle,
but
I
think
on
most
of
the
statements
I've
made
reflect
the
majority
of
the
county
clerks
Association.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
All
right,
thank
you
all
for
coming
we're
going
to
close,
but
before
we
do,
I
want
to
I
want
to
have
a
just
a
quick
moment,
Chairman's
privilege,
to
say
that
you
know
in
government.
We
want
people
of
high
integrity
to
run
for
office
to
be
in
office,
official
positions,
and
we
have
a
man
up
here
today,
who
has
his
last
committee
meeting
today,
Lynn
Beckler
and
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
there
is
nobody
who
served
in
the
general
assembly
has
more
Integrity
than
Lynn
Becker.
A
He'll
tell
you
where
he
stands
and
that's
where
he
stands,
and
so
Lynn
you've
meant
a
lot
to
me
in
my
service
and
I
wanted
to
call
you
out
without
you,
knowing
just
saying
thank
you
buddy
for
the
service
that
you've
got
to
not
only
to
us
to
learn
from
you
but
to
the
to
your
communities.
It's
been
a
very
well
done,
and
I
wanted
to
wanted
to
recognize
it.
J
D
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I've
enjoyed
working
with
you,
and
you
know
everybody
here
in
the
committee
and
and
most
everybody
in
the
general
assembly.
D
Don't
want
don't
want
to
make
a
blanket
statement
that
wouldn't
be
right,
but
I've
enjoyed
my
time
here.
Looking
forward
to
retirement
and
I
do
have
one
thing:
if
you
don't
mind
me
asking
before
you
no
before
you
close,
could
I
ask
secretary
Adams
to
come
back
to
the
table.
I
have
a
question
for
him.
D
Definitely
not
not
planned
and
but
I
do
have
a
question
on
Dropbox
security.
D
What
what
is
how
do
you
maintain
that
or
how
do
the
the
counties
maintain
that
I,
you
know
representative
Blanton
talked
about
fraud
and
what
has
gone
on
in
the
past
up
in
his
neck
of
the
woods.
I,
don't
want
to
say:
we've
never
had
that,
but
I
don't
think
to
that
degree,
but
I'm
really
concerned
about
Dropbox
security
when
I've
gone
around
I've
seen
drop
boxes
most
of
them.
D
You
know
in
a
secure
location,
but
how
do
we
verify
that
the
person
dropping
off
a
ballot
is,
in
fact
the
person
who
is
voting
or
has
the
authority
to
do
that
in
the
case
of
somebody
who
is
ill
and
can't
do
it
because
from
what
I've
seen
is
very
loosey-goosey
and
I,
don't
like
it
well.
I
A
few
points
number
one
you
all
at
my
request,
banned
about
harvesting.
You
made
it
a
felony
in
2020,
one
as
part
of
our
Omnibus
election
Reform
Bill
last
year.
We
borrowed
word
for
word,
Arizona's
law,
which
went
to
the
Supreme
Court
and
was
upheld
by
the
U.S
Supreme
Court
I
went
and
literally
copied
and
pasted
and
offered
it
to
to
you
all,
and
you
implemented
that
to
your
point
about
harvesting
is
a
huge
problem.
I
Years
ago,
in
2014
in
Floyd
County
it
was
a
local
race.
There
was
about
harvesting
in
that
race,
the
mayor
of
Martin
Kentucky,
controlled
public
housing,
and
she
used
that
to
place
duress
on
the
residents
of
public
housing.
She
had
her
campaign.
Volunteers,
go
out
to
the
residence,
ordered
them
to
request,
absentee
ballots
and
then
have
them
Mark
the
ballots
in
their
presence,
and
then
the
staff
delivered
those
ballots
back
to
the
clerk.
We
don't
want
that
in
Kentucky,
so
number
one
it's
against
the
law.
It's
it's
prohibited.
Number.
Two.
I
These
ballot
boxes
are
under
video
surveillance.
That's
pursuant
to
Senate,
Bill
216
that
you
all
enacted
this
year
in
2020.
There
was
a
requirement
that
these
boxes
actually
be
physically
in
the
clerk's
offices
that
was
well
intentioned,
but
the
problem
was
that
we
had
covid
and
the
clerk's
offices
were
closed
or
we
were
trying
to
swipe
people
from
going
into
closed
rooms,
and
so
ultimately,
we
allowed
them
by
legislation
to
be
outdoors,
but
they
are
under
continuous
video
surveillance.
I
The
concerns
you
see
around
the
country
with
dropboxes
those
are
in
states
where
most
of
the
voters
vote
that
way.
They
don't
vote
on
Election,
Day
or
in
early
voting
under
the
supervision
of
election
officials.
They
vote
remotely.
If
you
will
they
mail
in
about
or
they
drop
it
in
a
Dropbox,
Pennsylvania,
Arizona,
Georgia
or
states
with
no
excuse
absentee
rules.
I
We
don't
have
that
a
very
tiny
proportion
of
our
votes
are
cast
not
at
a
polling
site
in
person
on
Election
Day
or
in
the
early
voting
days,
a
minuscule
proportion,
2019
I've
been
involved
in
elections,
my
whole
adult
life
and
then
some
and
from
the
early
90s.
When
I
first
got
started
through
2019
like
clockwork.
We
were
two
percent
absentee
pretty
much
every
year.
I
Obviously,
in
2020
we
were
not,
but
in
2021
special
elections
and
again
this
year
in
our
primary
and
in
our
general
we
had
a
very
low
proportion
of
both
being
cab
cast
absentee.
So
if
we
had
no
controls
that
wouldn't
be
an
acceptable
answer,
but
I
think
in
context,
when
you
note
that
a
tiny
proportion
of
the
votes
at
all
or
even
being
cast
absentee
and
95
percent
plus
are
being
casted
in
person
under
supervision.
That's
a
reason
for
comfort
as
well.
D
I
understand
that
you
know
there's
video
surveillance
but
I'm,
not
convinced
that
those
tapes
are
looked
at
frequently
enough.
My
suspicion
and
its
only
suspicion
is
that
they're
looked
at
if
somebody
complains
well,
you
know,
I
think
this
happened
or
I
saw
that
otherwise,
it's
just
you
know
kind
of
going
through
things.
There
are
a
lot
of
things
that
are
felonies
that
still
happen,
so
I
think
relying
on
the
fact
that
it's
a
felony
is
not
a
sufficient
answer.
D
I
won't
be
here,
and
you
all
may
be
happy
about
that.
But
I
I
really
would
ask
you
to
take
a
look
absentee
voting
early
voting,
as
it's
been
noted
here
earlier,
is
tending
to
to
rise,
so
I
think
you're
going
to
potentially
get
into
problems
that
you
don't
have
right
now
and
I
would
really
ask
you
to
take
a
look
at
it
and
come
up
with
some
recommendations
as
to
how
it
could
be
I'm
going
to
call
it
fish
because
I
think
it's
broken
now.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman.
I
Could
I
respond
to
that
in
15
seconds?
Of
course,
I
certainly
would
welcome
working
with
anybody
on
on
that
issue,
but
I
do
want
to
resist
one
point:
a
little
bit.
I,
don't
think
that
we're
going
to
have
a
greater
use
of
absentee
balloting.
The
biggest
surprise
I've
had
this
year
and
last
year,
is
that
we
went
from
two
percent
absentee
to
75
absentee
in
June
2020
to
about
I,
think
29
absentee
in
the
November
2020
election
and
then
in
2021.
I
In
2022
we
were
back
down
to
the
two
to
five
percent
range
depending
on
the
jurisdiction
kentuckians,
who
qualified
about
absentee
don't
want
to
vote
absentee.
They
want
to
vote
in
person.
That's
just
our
culture,
so
I
don't
think
that
we're
going
to
have
a
an
expanded
use
of
absentee
voting,
I
think
our
cultural
preference
of
Kentucky's
to
vote
in
person.
We
need
more
days,
and
we
did
that
already
and
we
need
more
locations
and
that's
left
to
do.