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A
A
This
morning
we
are
going
to
be
talking
about
the
capital
plan,
which,
of
course,
this
board
puts
together
every
year
or
every
two
years,
and
we
are
going
to
be
there,
there's
a
language
that
we
have
to
approve
next
month,
and
some
of
that
we
can
look
at
ahead
of
time.
The
the
staff's
already
sent
us.
This
is
our
booklet,
normally
that
we
have,
and
so
anyway,
the
language
we'll
be
looking
at
on
that,
as
well
as
the
core
piece
of
our
discussion
today
will
be
all
of
the
different
projects.
A
We've
heard
presentations
from
various
cabinets
and
agencies
on
their
needs,
and
so
we
want
to
have
a
good,
robust
discussion
among
the
members,
because
whenever
we
do
discuss
with
membership,
when
we
are
in
a
quorum
situation,
we
always
have
to
have
an
open
meeting,
and
I
feel
like
it's
important
for
the
public
to
understand
some
of
what
goes
on
behind
the
scenes
around
here
as
much
as
possible.
A
So
another
item
now
I
want
to
see
we
have
a
new
board
member.
I
want
to
introduce
pat
abel
are:
are
you
on
zoom,
yet,
mr
abel.
A
You're
back
now,
awesome:
okay,
good
okay
from
you,
so
I
just
want
to
introduce
pat
abel
was
appointed
from
the
executive
branch.
So
for
those
who
need
an
update,
this
board
is
made
up
of
16
members.
Four
are
from
the
governor
representing
the
executive
branch.
Four
appointed
by
the
chief
justice
representing
the
judicial
branch.
A
Four
are
from
the
legislative
branch,
two
senators,
two
representatives
and
then
four
are
members
of
the
public,
and
one
of
each
of
those
members
of
the
public
is
appointed
by
each
of
those
four
groups:
governor
chief
justice,
the
senate
and
the
house,
and
so
mr
abel
is
now
our
citizen
representative
appointed
by
the
governor,
and
he
is
filling
the
vacancy
or
replacing.
Now
john
hodgson
used
to
be
that
member
on
the
board
and
his
term
has
since
expired.
A
So
welcome
mr
abel,
we're
glad
to
have
you
and
apologize
for
you
jumping
right
into
the
middle
of
all
of
this
right.
As
we
are
finishing
the
process,
we
hope
you
and
enjoy
the
all
of
the
loads
of
paperwork.
You've,
surely
gotten
from
our
staff,
and
you
are
right
in
the
thick
of
the
planning
process.
As
we
move
into
the
next
budget
cycle
so.
A
At
this
time,
let
me
double
check
here.
I
believe
we
have
a
quorum,
and
so
we
are
going
to
go
move
forward
into
our
agenda
in
the
packets.
We
should
have
the
minutes
from
the
last
meeting
and
I
would
entertain
emotion
for
approval
motion
by
senator
wheeler.
Second
by
representative
lewis,
all
in
favor
say
aye
aye
aye
opposed
okay.
The
minutes
are
approved
skipping
down
to
the
main
crux
of
the
meeting.
Today,
the
statewide
capital
improvements
plan
for
22-28,
I'm
going
to
jump
slightly
out
of
order
here.
A
A
Exactly
what
this
looks
like
so
there's
some
great
stuff
at
the
beginning,
that
summarizes
what
we've
been
dealing
with
and
seen
throughout
this
entire.
What
I
don't
know
several
months
that
we've
been
doing
this
and
the
draft
on
page.
Let's
see
here
page
starting
on
page
six
of
our
draft,
we'll
see
policy
recommendation,
okay,
there's
policy
recommendation
boxes
again,
page
eight
page
ten
and
then,
as
you
move
into
page
13,
there
are
several
items
here:
you'll
see
the
board
recommends
this.
A
The
board
believes
that
the
board
emphasizes
these
things
in
most
of
those
paragraphs
through
page
13
15..
So
those
are
items
that
us
is
a
board.
This
is
draft
language,
of
course,
not
final,
but
we
need
to
make
a
final
action
on
this
next
month.
So
if
staff
needs
to
draft
anything
differently,
adjust
anything,
we
need
to
discuss
that
today
and,
of
course,
that's
the
purpose
of
us
being
here,
along
with
the
rest
of
the
report,
so
that
our
staff
could
tell
us
all
what
we
need
to
know.
A
D
The
policy
recommendations,
the
project
recommendations,
the
status
report
of
active
capital,
construction
projects,
a
complete
listing
of
all
the
proposed
projects
and
the
appendices
referring
to
the
document
that
was
uploaded
to
the
website
last
week.
The
summary
covers
pages
three
and
four
and
we've
pulled
data
from
version
four
of
the
capital
planning
system.
So
the
information
that
we're
providing
is
as
recent
as
august.
The
third
plan.
D
The
planning
system
is
closed
right
now,
so
there
will
be
no
further
changes
to
the
data
before
the
plan
book
is
published
november.
The
1st
so
referring
to
the
chart
on
page
three
of
the
document,
the
value
of
all
capital
projects,
this
period
amounts
to
about
25
billion
dollars
during
the
last
planning
period.
The
total
request
was
about
22
billion
dollars
and
there's
been
an
increase
of
three
billion.
Most
of
that
is
due
to
three
cabinets
with
increases
in
their
capital
plans.
This
year
huge
increases
and
that's
post-secondary,
ed
transportation
and
tourism.
D
D
Moving
on
to
page
four,
you
can
see
the
project
needs
that
are
broken
down
by
category
by
comparison.
In
the
last
capital
plan,
the
request
for
maintenance
and
renovation
projects
represented
49
of
the
total
need,
whereas
this
year
it
represents
47
in
2019,
capital
construction
represented
36
percent
of
the
total
need,
and
this
year
new
construction
represents
41
percent.
D
D
D
So,
during
the
last
planning
period
the
statement
was
the
recommendation
was
changed
to
read
that
the
deposit
should
be
linked
with
revenue,
receipts
and
withdrawal
provisions
rather
than
a
specific
percentage,
and
I
would
point
out
that
this
year's
deposit
into
the
fund
is
the
largest
to
date,
and
we
received
these
figures
for
the
chart
from
the
state
budget
director's
office
last
month.
But
before
we
up
before
we
publish
the
book
we'll
make
sure
the
figures
are
the
most
recent.
D
D
D
D
A
Thank
you
very
much.
So
obviously
there
are
a
number
of
items
to
discuss
and
I
want
to
first
jump
in
if
anybody
has
comments
or
discussion
items
on
the
recommendations,
language,
not
the
specific
project
listing.
That
will
be
the
second
thing
we'll
discuss
today,
but
is
everybody
reviewed
the
recommendations
and
in
agreement
with
those
or
have
any
changes
or
discussion
items
that
we
need
to
address
before
this
obviously
gets
voted
for
final
approval,
printed,
published
and
so
forth?
A
I
have
read
through
this
I'll
start
that
discussion.
I've
read
through
this.
I
think
a
lot
of
these
items
are
things.
We've
talked
about
for
a
long
time
as
our
wonderful
staff
mentioned
last
year.
There
was
a
change,
of
course,
slightly
on
the
rainy
day
fund
budget
reserve.
I
I
I
agree
that
we
need
to
be
working
on
that
at
all
times
how
these
calculations
work
out.
A
I
don't
know
that
this
year
is
going
to
help
us
out,
because
we
had
so
much
federal
funding
that
came
in
and
so
many
different
kind
of
swaps
on
funding
sources
and
so
forth
to
be
able
to
tell
where
we
would
be
if
we
didn't
have
all
of
that
coming
in
so
I'm
kind
of
looking
at
the
previous
year's
numbers
to
give
us
some
indication
how
this
is
going
to
work,
but
obviously
it's
a
little
difficult
to
determine.
So
I
don't
see
it
in
need,
at
least
my
personal
feel
I
don't
feel
like.
A
We
need
to
change
anything
there.
The
council
on
post
secondary
education,
I
felt
like
had
a
fairly
decent
handle
on
sort
of
how
to
prioritize
the
massive
looming
requests
of
our
post-secondary
educations.
I
just
didn't
see
anything
here
that
I
have
a
major
problem
with.
I
think
it
all
makes
sense
in
his
good
fiscal
operation
trying
to
get
our
maintenance
up.
I
do
have
a
question,
but
I
don't
know
if
anybody
would
be
here
to
be
able
to
help,
but
I
do
have
a
few
questions
relating
to
lease
versus
owned.
A
I
always
was
for
the
getting
way
for
the
lease
space
until
I
started
doing
some
of
the
math
and
some
of
these
cases.
I
wonder
you
know
big
question
for
all
of
us,
whether
it's
commercial
or
home
is
which
one
makes
the
most
sense,
and
sometimes
it's
just
a
matter
of
your
positioning,
not
necessarily
one's
better
than
the
other.
A
A
All
of
our
members
it'd
be
helpful
as
we're
having
a
discussion
now.
This
is
definitely
not
your
typical
roberts
rules
meeting.
We
want
to
have
a
discussion
amongst
ourselves.
The
way
I
see
this
going
is
more
of
a
if
you
think
of
like
a
jury,
deliberation
room
we're
all
here.
We've
got
other
members
on
the
screen.
A
We
want
to
have
a
discussion
now,
of
course,
some
of
our
members
are
going
to
be
more
able
to
keep
their
microphones
off
than
others
if
you
have
distractions
in
the
back
round
or
whatever,
certainly
feel
free
to
keep
yourself
on
you,
if
you're
not
planning
to
speak
up
at
that
right
at
that
moment,
for
other
people
are
speaking
but
feel
free
to
open
up
your
mic,
if
you're,
a
member
and
and
just
butt
in
because
I
don't
want
to
just
do
chair-
recognize
this
person
to
recognize
that
it
takes
too
much
time
if
we
can
have
a
friendly
discussion,
if
we're
all
in
our
conference
room
or
in
our
office
at
our
desk.
A
A
Okay,
so
we
have
our
the
rest
of
our
membership
is
on
our
screen,
so
we
can
at
least
see
who
was
all
here,
and
I
did
open
up
a
discussion
for
anybody,
have
any
comments
or
anything
on
these
policy
recommendations
and
board
recommendation
language.
Part
of
the
report.
A
If
nobody
has
any
comments
on
that,
let's
move
to
these
listings
of
projects,
we've
had
obviously
a
lot
of
discussion
over
the
past
four,
whatever
meetings
from
various
agencies
giving
us
a
long
list
of
all
needs
that
they
have
identified
and
there
are
prioritizations
to
these
from
their
end,
and
so
those
are
helpful
on
our
list
that
we
have
now
to
be
clear.
The
the
master
list
here
that
is
the
voting
sheet.
We
have
to
turn
into
staff
a
week
from
today's
meeting.
A
I
want
to
make
sure
we
all
have
time
to
discuss
and
consider,
but
also
get
our
vote
sheets
in,
so
that
they
can
prepare
the
printed
version
of
this
book
and
we
are
each
able
to
highlight
up
to
15
selections
in
each
category
in
the
three
categories
they
mentioned,
and
so
I
want
to
take
some
time
to
discuss.
Let's
start
with
the
category
of
this
maintenance
investment,
which
is
the
longest
list.
Of
course
I
mean
there's
a
number
of
projects
here,
probably
over
a
hundred
well
over
a
hundred.
A
Obviously,
maintenance
is
a
large
need
and
there's
always
limited
funds,
as
we
saw
that
the
budget
requests
versus
the
actual
budgeted
numbers.
You
know
we
might
only
be
able
to
pay
for
half
of
it
or
hopefully
we
can
do
as
much
as
possible.
But
let's
start
with
the
discussion
on
maintenance
pools.
Does
anybody
have
anything
they've
marked
or
noticed?
As
we
went
through
the
presentations
that
were
the
kind
of
stuck
out
I
I
will
go
ahead
and
throw
out
a
few
of
my
starting
points
that
I
found
in
one
of
the
cases.
A
A
A
Another
item
from
department
of
education
that
I
had
noticed.
You
know
the
state
itself
does
operate
at
least
two
of
our
schools
school
for
the
blind
school
for
the
deaf.
So
this
does
not
get
hooked
into
other
funding
sources
that
are
typically
done.
We
have
to
make
sure
we
take
care
of
those
ourselves,
and
so
there
was
also
things
like
hvac
and
so
forth
on
there
another
one
that
sticks
out
to
me
is
near
justice,
cabinet.
A
Some
of
the
correctional
facilities
in
repairs,
replacement,
building
new
stuff-
we're
not
talking
about
new
stuff
right
now,
but
sometimes
that
maintenance
gets
overlooked
and
then
sometimes
you
can
just
maintenance
yourself
to
your
blue.
In
the
face
and
you're
still
swimming
upstream
tourism,
we
know
parks,
all
parks
are
in
need
of
serious
maintenance,
a
number
of
items
there.
A
I
didn't
have
anything
that
really
stuck
out
to
me
that
I
have
personal
knowledge
of
that.
That
needs
to
be
brought
forward,
but
that's
a
number
of
things
and
of
course
our
colleges
lots
of
college
projects,
but
those
were
probably
the
few
that
stuck
out
to
me
were
the
more
toward
the
top
of
the
list.
Anybody
else
have
anything
they're
thinking
about
sticking
out
yeah
philip
get
started
just.
E
Jump
in
madam
chair,
I
would,
I
would
agree.
I
think
we
have
a
a
duty
and
moral
obligation
to
to
make
sure
that
our
attendees
of
the
kentucky
school
for
death
and
the
blind
are
well
taken
care
of
there,
just
like
any
other
students,
and
I
think
that
that's
something
we
need
to
definitely
look
at.
E
Oh
I
was
thinking
we
may
have
lost
our
colleagues,
madam
chair,
but
I
looked
up
the
blank
screen
for
a
second,
but
I
do
think
we
need
some
investment
into
those
I've.
I've
noted
a
couple
within
my
district
that
and
close
to
it
that
that
needs
some
some
some
tender,
loving
care
that
I
I
know
of
myself.
I
in
fact
I
think
we
recently
had
a
event
scheduled
at
the
jenny
wiley
lodge
that
had
to
be
canceled
due
to
some
some
issues
with
that
structure.
So
philip.
A
Do
you
have
any
of
the
actual
projects
numbers
you
can
point
us
to?
As
you
talk
is
okay,
I
just
found
jenny
wiley
on
the
list.
E
E
You
know
well,
I
think,
in
general,
some
of
the
dining
facilities
and
and
hvac
physical
plant
problems
are
are
are
are
present
at
that
facility.
It's
a
very
nice
facility,
though,
to
have
events
when
everything's
working
properly.
I
mean
it's
in
senator
turner's
district,
but
it's
pretty
central
to
a
lot
of
the
surrounding
counties:
pike,
county,
johnson,
county,
it's
kind
of
a
central
location
to
have
these
type
of
things
in
eastern
kentucky.
So
you
know
when
it's
not
available
in
in
full
functioning
status
it
it
does
create
some
issues.
E
I
know
the
kentucky
bar
association
usually
likes
to
have
their
annual
update
there
for
the
attorneys
in
the
region,
as
well
as
some
other
things.
So
I
I
think
that
is
something
that
they
could
do
some
work,
and
then
you
know
and
also
notice,
the
yatesville
marina
project
which
is
in
lawrence
county
lawrence
county
is
actually
the
only
county
in
eastern
kentucky
to
have
actually
gained
in
population
in
the
last
census,
which
wasn't
a
tremendous
amount.
But
I
think
it's
pretty
indicative
that
the
you
know
there's
some
potential
for
growth
there.
E
They
got
a
good
business
community,
good
leadership
in
the
government.
I
know
I've
talked
to
the
judge
in
the
fiscal
court
there
they
think
there's
a
lot
of
possibilities
to
increase
the
tourism
dollars
surrounding
yatesville
lake.
So
I
would.
I
would
consider
that
a
priority
investment,
because
you
know
it's.
Obviously
they
have
something
good
going.
I
think
this
would
enable
them
to
continue
that
positive
trajectory,
so
I
I
would
definitely
be
advocating
for
that
and
then
maybe
going
back
to
what
you
said
about
justice
and
public
safety
safety,
the
eastern
kentucky
correctional
complex.
E
I
think
that
was
opened
un
in
the
in
the
closing
months
of
the
prior
administration
and
and
has
been
pushed
even
further
by
the
current
administration
that
provides
some
needed
housing
for
our
prisoners
or
overcrowded
jails
and
prisons
in
kentucky.
It
also
provides
a
lot
of
good
paying
jobs
for
the
region
for
a
region
which
sorely
sorely
needs
those.
So
I
think
that
the
building
was
vacant
for
some
years.
E
I
think
it
previously
had
a
private
private
company
operating
and
it
needed
some
some
upgrades,
and
I
think
that
that
needs
to
be
continued
to
preserve
those
jobs
and
preserve
those
that
housing
for
our
inmate
population.
E
But
overall,
I
would
like
to
echo
the
chairs
commentary
that
I
think
this
was
a
pretty
well
thought
out
list.
It
seems
like
that
there
was
some.
You
know
real
effort
put
into
this,
which
and-
and
I
was
pleased
to
see
the
focus
of
of
in
in
this
list.
A
Does
anybody
here
have
any
personal
knowledge
about
the
kentucky
state
police
post
request,
so
I
know
we
heard
you
know
from
the
cabinet
or
yeah
representative
lewis.
Could
you
talk
to
us
because
I'm
just
glancing
at
this-
it's
it
hasn't
really
been
discussed
and
I'd
like
to
get
a
better
handle
on
that,
among
other
things,
just
throw
out
any
other
thoughts.
You
had
at
least
cover
that
at
some
point.
F
Yeah,
thank
you.
Madam
chair.
I've
had
quite
a
few
discussions
with
the
state
police
in
particular
lieutenant
colonel
kyle
nall,
looking
at
their
facilities,
especially
down
in
harlan,
it's
in
great
disrepair,
actually
a
good
friend
of
mine
who
retired
from
the
state
police.
He
gave
me
a
lot
of
knowledge
of
that
post
and
it
was
just
in
terrible
conditions
and
I
believe
richmond
was
as
well,
but
across
the
board
I
mean
the
state
police
have
several
needs
ranging
from
a
driving
track,
which
they're
you
know
having
to
use
a
facility
in
lexington.
F
At
this
point,
maintenance
pools,
but
just
a
lot
of
neglect
in
general
over
the
years.
So
any
way
we
can
help
them,
I
think,
is
a
good
move.
A
Yeah
it's
one
of
the
things
I'm
gonna,
it's
not
on
the
first
list
we're
talking
about,
but
as
we
get
into
the
new
construction
and
the
other
stuff,
I
know
their
radio
thing
they're
still
working
on
that.
That's
a
big
one.
That's
been
ongoing
for
the
last
few
years.
Anyway,
back
to
the
maintenance,
though
I
I
know
I've
I've
been
in
some,
but
not
nearly
enough,
and
I
need
to
hear
a
little
more
about
that.
A
A
You
know
they
have
a
number
of
locations.
So
if
you
do
the
math
and
divide
that
down
by
the
locations,
that's
not
a
terribly
large
ask
it
sounds.
You
know
it's
more
or
less
reasonable
in
the
scope
of
things,
and
so
it
could
be,
could
be
life
changer.
But
it's
not
it's
not
like
these
84
million
dollar
projects,
where
we
can
only
pick
one.
You
know
so
I
like
I
like
taking
care
of
our
stuff.
It
makes
me
nervous
when
I
see
we
have
an
hvac
pool
that
needs
33
million
dollars.
E
Yeah,
madam
chair
and
I
going
to
what
you
mentioned,
I
think
another.
You
know
the
the
request
by
the
community
and
technical
colleges.
I
mean.
E
E
In
addition,
I
I
really
think
that
the
vocational
training
that's
offered
at
some
of
these
facilities
is
paramount
in
the
new
economy,
and
I
think
that
we
we
want
to
make
these
places
attractive
for
students
to
obtain
careers,
and
you
know
I
I
think,
based
upon
the
request
here,
we
can
see
that
you
know
we
haven't
really
put
the
funds
to
to
make
these
facilities
be
their
best,
and
I
mean,
although
it's
a
lot
of
money,
if
you
add
them
all
together,
I
noticed
that
you
know
they
don't
even
add
up
to
what
uk
asks
for
you
know
their
facility
renewals,
and
you
know
some
of
the
other.
E
You
know
enormous
ass
by
the
university
of
kentucky
and
in
the
university
of
louisville
for
single
buildings,
so
I
think
we
ought
to
to
definitely
prioritize
the
community
and
technical
college
system
because,
like
I
said,
I
think,
that's
probably
one
of
the
the
best
tools
we
have
to
bring
education
to
more
disadvantaged
communities.
A
E
Think
the
general
concept,
madam
chair,
but
I
you
know,
I
can
also
say
sherry
zelka,
the
president
of
big
sandy
community
technical
college-
has
done
a
really
good
job,
but
she
she
always
talks
about.
You
know
how
funds
are
always
a
priority
to
renovate
our
campuses
and
and
make
them
more
attractive,
and
I
do
know
that
they
do
a
good
job,
ashland,
community
and
technical
college
as
well.
E
A
D
A
A
A
Their
portion
of
the
pool-
okay,
yes,
so
they
they
allocate
according
to
I
don't
know
whether
it's
students
or
whatever
it
is
so
state
funding,
they're
suggesting
in
cpe's
recommendation
of
the
700
million
total.
Their
recommendation
would
end
up
with
kcts
getting
87
million.
So
if
you
do,
the
math
on
that
in
kctcs
is
asking
for
40
million
in
their
capital
renewal,
deferred,
maintenance,
plus
a
variety
of
other
projects.
A
They
could
get
you
know,
half
their
stuff
kept
up
with,
plus
do
several
other
most.
Our
other
projects
are
in
the
three
four
five
million
dollar
range,
one,
two,
three
various
things
I
mean
they've
got
everything
on
here
from
welding
shop,
fire
alarms
and
different
roof
replacement.
A
B
I
have
years
and
years
decades
actually
of
experience
in
higher
learning
at
the
community
college
level,
and
this
is
an
essential
area
so,
regardless
of
where
we
place
it,
I
hope
that
we
placed
a
lot
of
value
on
supporting
these
colleges,
because
these
communities
honestly
would
drive
without
them.
So
I
appreciate
his
comment.
A
Well,
I
entirely
agree
they
are
backbone
and
I'm
trying
to
look
through
the
list
here.
Most
of
these
on
this
list
seem
to
be
on
the
edges
of
the
state.
There
there's
a
couple
of
projects
here
that
may
be
in
the
middle,
but
I
do
agree.
A
A
lot
of
these
are
on
the
edges
and
I'm
wondering
if
that's
because
the
edges
haven't
been
taken
care
of
as
well
over
the
years
as
the
middles
we've
got
members
from
the
edges.
So
if
you
have
specific
thoughts,
I
mean
I
I'm
I'm
from
the
middle.
So
but
I
understand
the
needs
on
the
edges
because
I
visited
out
there.
I've
been
to
a
number
of
our
kctcs
locations
on
the
edges.
B
Many
of
the
colleges,
I
think
in
the
rural
parts
of
the
state,
really
were
impacted
by
the
economic
downturn
and
with
that,
obviously,
we
would
love
to
have
the
opportunity
to
offer
more
opportunity
for
students
and
to
grow
and
develop.
The
facilities
are
important
that
we
have
the
space
in
which
we
could
do
that,
but
I
think
that
those
areas
are
particularly
hard
hit
with
economic
downturns.
So
I
think
it
is
imperative
that
we
have
facilities
and
programming
to
really
re-energize
and
reinvigorate
these
communities,
particularly
in
the
eastern
and
southeastern
part
of
the
state.
A
And
I
will
add
on
behalf
of
our
constituents
that
are
not
represented
by
the
membership
of
this
committee
on
the
far
western
corners
of
the
state.
They
have
a
a
a
long
drive
to
come,
see
us
in
the
middle
of
the
state,
because
the
left
half
of
the
state's
longer
than
the
right
half,
but
in
some
cases,
although
they
have
a
nice,
wider
roads
and
less
curves
and
mountains.
So
anyway,
there's
a
number
of
these
on
there
as
well
co-chair
mccool.
A
Are
you
on
the
zoom,
because
I'm
looking
for
my
kctcs
report
that
we
had
talked
about
before
and
I
want
he
he.
You
might
have
some
insight
or
comments
in
this
area,
and
I
don't
want
to
cut
you
off.
I
know
on
zoom
it's
hard
to
jump
in,
but
please
jump
in.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Yes,
I
agree
with
you
and
our
colleagues
that
the
community
college
certainly
needs
attention.
It's
essential
for
our
communities
and
and
to
follow
the
cpu
guidance.
I
think
would
be
a
very,
very
good
step
they
just
they
just
they
just
do
they
need
it
for
quite
some
time.
I
don't
think
they
really
had.
B
I
think
the
president
or
not
the
the
reporter
last
time
talked
about
they
hadn't
had
a
capital
construction
done
in
quite
some
time,
so
I
think
it's
certainly
overdue
and
we
need
to
be
looking
at
those
items,
especially
those
improving
the
programs.
I
know
that's
in
a
different
area
and
I
think
you
mentioned
the
welding.
That
is
certainly
one
needs
to
be
considered.
I
do
know
about
that
quite
well,
but
I
think
it's
essential.
We
do
that.
Thank
you.
A
Well,
I
see
on
the
welding
shop
that
I
saw
was
that
big
sandy
is
that
one
that
you
know
about.
B
Yes,
yes,
I
do,
I
actually
know
quite
a
bit
about
that
one
than
that
and
this
upgrade
had
had
been
upgraded
since
the
1960s,
so
you
know
with
technology
changes
and
all
the
procedures
changing
it
needs
and-
and
they
have
had
full
programs
for
many
many
years
now.
So
it's
something
that's
ongoing,
still
a
major
need
and
and
really
has
had
great,
not
only
enrollment
but
great
placement
from
the
welding
program.
B
A
So
this
project,
this
project-
I'm
seeing-
is
two
million
dollars
to
upgrade
the
welding
shop
at
big
sandy,
for
example,
number
18
of
the
agency
priorities
on
this
maintenance
list,
as
I'm
going
through
the
very
first
priority
is
the
whole.
The
capital
renewal,
deferred
maintenance
pool,
and
then
we
start
going
into
specifics.
A
You
know
they've
got
different
items,
e-town
and
gateway
and
ashland
different
ones,
and
so
we
finally
get
down
to
number
18
out
of
total
of
28
on
this
list
and
it
says,
upgrade
welding
shop
big
sandy
now
I
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
welding
and
there's
a
lot
of
good
things
that
that
we
teach
at
kctcs.
A
But
I'm
wondering
is
this
a
situation
where
I
mean
we're
the
capital
planning
advisory
board?
Okay,
so
is
this
a
situation
where
we
say
we
think
that
kctcs
hasn't
prioritized
number
18
as
much
as
we
think
it
should
be
prioritized.
Or
is
this
a
situation
where
we
say
well,
kctcs
probably
thinks
that
you
know
the
ashland,
whatever
training
thing
or
the
e-town
one
or
whatever
it's
more
important,
so
we'll
prioritize
in
their
order.
A
That's
what
I
would
like
to
hear-
and
you
might
have
some
comments
on
that,
so
anybody
really
but
the
ones
I've
already
spoken
up.
That's
one
of
the
questions
we
have
to
ask
as
this
board
is:
how
do
we
want
to
prioritize
those
things
and
ship
that
out
to
as
our
recommendation.
B
Well,
and
not
knowing
how
the
they
looked
at
this
to
prioritize
the
list
before
it
came
to
us.
I
don't
know
what
criteria
they
used
manchester
united,
but
at
the
same
time
I
do
know
the
the
need.
Is
there,
the
students
are
there
and
and
the
jobs
are
there.
So
I
know
that
it
all
connects
and
makes
more
productive
for
the
the
whole
community.
B
There
are
there's
actually
one
that
I
had
hoped
it
would
have
gotten
on
the
list
that
didn't
and
that's
with
the
dental
hygiene
and
that's
they
have
a
partnership
there
with
the
university
of
kentucky
and
dental
hygiene
is
something
needed
in
all
eastern
kentucky,
but
it
didn't
make
the
list
at
all,
and
I
don't
know
why
that
didn't
occur.
But
at
the
same
time
I
know
that
there's
a
major
need.
B
A
Where
is
the
dental
hygiene
located,
and
what
do
you
are
you
aware
of
as
the
needs
I'm
just
kind
of
curious?
Is
that
going
to
maybe
fall
into
the
mass
master
cabinet.
B
D
Represent
mccool,
the
dental
hygiene
project
is
already
authorized
in
the
budget,
and
kct
tcs
did
not
include
it
as
part
of
their
as
part
of
their
capital
plan
this
year.
So
that's
why
it
was
not
included
there
when
they
submitted
a
quarterly
report,
which
is
included
as
part
of
the
capital
plan.
D
A
So
the
way
I
understand
that
this
works
from
having
been
on
the
other
side
of
this,
we
authorize
a
project
and
then
it's
comes
time
to
actually
get
the
money.
The
big
question
is:
is
the
money
in
the
bank
account
and
we
got
to
go
and
do
whatever
we're
doing,
and
so,
if
it's
already
been
authorized,
which
is
on
the
list
as
what's
it's
not
in
the
appendix,
is
that
the
last
section
of
the
report.
A
Okay,
part
of
the
quarterly
reports.
Well,
in
any
event,
we
can
also
refer
everyone
make
sure,
remember
the
last
or
the
second
part
toward
the
end
of
our
reports.
Here,
I'm
on
page
84,
for
example,
of
our
draft
report.
It
has
a
long
list
of
all
of
the
ongoing
projects
that
are
kind
of
in
midstream,
so
we
don't
need
to
approve
them.
As
a
new
item,
excuse
me,
but
we
well.
A
A
Can
you
speak
to
us
a
little
bit?
I
know
we've
talked
and
we
got
a
report
back
from
somebody,
and
I
can't
find
it
in
my
pile
up
here
at
the
moment
relating
to
the
in
kctcs
we're
talking
about
right
now,
but
other
universities
as
well,
what
their
reserve
funds
are
and
how
much
are
each
of
the
universities
on
different
footing,
because
we're
sitting
here
with
the
cpe
recommendation
to
divide
evenly-
and
I
think
some
of
us
know
we
just
discussed
some-
the
state
is
more
like
swiss
cheese.
A
Some
may
need
more
than
others.
So
is
the
even
division
plan
the
best
plan
and
does
that
have
anything
to
do
with
how
what
footing
that
are?
They're.
Currently,
in
I'd
like
to
hear
from
you
representative,
cool
on
that,
because
we've
started
to
talk
about
that
and
got
that
report
in
and
you
probably
can
make
better
sense
of
it
than
I
can.
B
Thank
you,
mayor
chair,
I
can
and
and
we'll
speak
that
I
know
evenly
divided,
sometimes
the
easiest
step
to
take,
but
I'm
not
so
sure,
if
that's
the
the
best
step
to
take,
because
we
need
to
look
at
this
very
closely
and
and
and
make
those
calls
and
go
forward
with
those
with
the
reports
you're
talking
about.
I
don't
have
that
for
me,
but
most,
if
not
all,
and
maybe
that's
available
by
staff
they
may
have.
B
I
don't
know
if
they
still
got
available
or
not,
but
most
of
all
the
colleges
do
have
reserve
funds
and
switch.
I
think
that's
a
great
thing
to
have,
because
you
just
never
know
when
you,
when
you're
gonna
have
to
use
those
for
various
things,
including
heating
units
going
out
cooling
units
going
out
and
those
type
of
things
too.
I
unforeseen
expenses
during
the
year.
B
B
But
what
I
guess,
what
I'm
looking
at,
what
I
want
to
look
at
is:
what
can
we
do
to
help
the
areas
grow
and
and
in
adding
students
adding
more
economic
development
possibilities
and
those
type
of
projects?
I
guess
is
probably
one
of
my
things
I
want
to
emphasize
the
most,
but
I
I
do
believe
that
most
of
them
are
very
wise
in
their
and
their
efforts
and
going
forth
and
having
reserve
fundings
available,
and
then
then
they
need
to
use
those
occasions
in
occasion
when
they,
when
they
are
necessary.
A
I
found
my
report
from
the
net
the
net
position
from
kentucky
post-secondary
institutions
that
position
as
reported
in
audited
financial
statements,
I'm
running
into
a
little
bit
of
a
problem,
because
we've
got
some
schools
that
include
their
pension
obligation
and
some
that
did
not
so
that
kind
of
changes,
the
game
on
who
all
we
have,
but
how
much
and
so
forth,
but
it
certainly
is
instructive.
B
Sure
absolutely,
madam
chair,
so
I
just
wanted
to
speak,
so
I'm
the
senior
associate
with
finance
and
budget
at
the
council
on
post-secondary
education.
We
were
asked
to
essentially
be
here,
and
so
my
supervisor
as
well
dr
bill
payne.
Our
vice
president's
finance
administration,
is
also
on
the
call
and
we'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
more
questions.
B
B
It
was
extensive
process
and
they've
since
come
back
and
updated
it
based
on
inflation
and
and
things
like
that.
But
ultimately
we
have
broken
out.
The
total
vfa
designated
need
for
renovation
renewal
at
each
one
of
these
campuses,
and
so
the
12.5
share
that
is
designated
for
kctcs
is
actually
based
on
their
share
of
the
overall
renovation
and
renewal
need,
so
to
put
that
in
perspective,
they
have.
B
According
to
this
study,
758
million
dollars
of
renovation
and
renewal
need
at
their
campus
out
of
a
total
of
over
6
billion
dollars,
and
so
just
to
be
clear
in
that
sense
that
the
it's
not
necessarily
an
equal
distribution,
but
it
was
built
upon
a
designated
need
from
our
outside
kind
of
consultants.
That
came
in
and
did
this
study
on
our
behalf.
A
Okay,
that's
very
helpful.
The
question
I
guess
I
have
at
that
point
then,
is
the
need.
Was
it
the
consultants
evaluated
to
identify
the
need
or
was
the
school
responsible
for
reporting
the
need?
Because
sometimes
you
know
one
person
says
this?
Is
a
disaster
and
the
other
says?
Oh,
I
think
we
can
get
along
for
you
know
five
more
years,
and
so
I
don't
know
if
the
needs
are.
You
know.
The
consultants
maybe
tell
us
that,
but
if
they
were
maybe
evenly
reported.
C
Yeah
that
this
is
bill
payne
vice
president
of
finance
at
the
council
and
ryan,
is
absolutely
correct.
The
vfa
study
took
over
a
year
to
complete
and
the
consultants
visited
every
single
campus,
both
the
public
university
campuses
and
the
kctcs
campuses
went
inside
buildings
as
they
made
their
assessment.
So
this
was
indeed
something
that
was
determined
by
the
vfa
consultants
and
and
what
they
were
saying
is
what
is
the
need
to
bring?
You
know
the
public
university
and
kctcs
facilities
in
kentucky
up
to
the
industry
standard
and
their
projections.
C
A
That's
fantastic
information.
Thank
you
for
the
clarification.
I
think
at
least
that
helps
me.
I'm
doing
the
math
here
and
so
under
the
12.5
percent.
On
the
cpe
plan
for
kctcs,
for
example,
we
can
get
up
to
their
figure
after
about
project
number,
eight
or
so
one
through
eight
on
this
maintenance.
A
So
if
we
were
able
to
do
the
700
million
recommended
by
cpe
and
if
kctcs
spent
the
money
in
order
that
they've
listed
it
here,
that
would
get
us
through
those
items,
and
then
I
guess
the
next
question
is:
if
the
next
plan
gets
more
money,
the
they.
You
know,
that
kind
of
tells
us
how
many
years
we'd
be
looking
at
to
get
down
the
list
to
you
know
the
welding
shop,
for
example,
if
we
went
in
order.
C
C
We
are
asking
or
will
recommend
to
the
governor
and
the
general
assembly
that
the
institutions
match
those
dollars,
50
cents
on
the
dollar,
so
the
institutions
would
provide
350
million
dollars
of
other
source
funds,
something
other
than
state
general
fund.
C
If
the
state
provided
that
700
million,
so
it's
a
little
over
a
billion
dollars
that
would
be
used
to
address
that
seven
billion
dollar
need.
So
that
would
get
us
about
15
percent
of
where
we
need
to
to
be
in
terms
of
reaching
the
industry
standard
with
our
current
eng
facilities
on
these
campuses.
A
Thank
you,
and
I
did
note
that
in
language
in
the
proposal,
I
guess
the
more
functional
question
is:
does
uk's
ability
to
bring
in
other
agency
funds
private
donations
so
forth,
exceed
the
ability
of
kctcs
to
do
the
same
thing.
C
A
A
50
cents
is
a
flat
rate,
so
I
see
that
maybe
it'd
be
maybe
more
appropriate
as
a
proposal
to
do
a
sliding
scale
to
some
degree
or
somehow,
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
can
ask
kctcs
to
pony
up
50
of
their
state
funds
that
they're
receiving
not
entirely
sure
how
many
other
sources
of
income
they
have
versus.
You
know
a
research
university.
C
To
respond
to
your
question
there,
there
was
one
biennium.
It
was
about
a
decade
ago
where
there
was
a
sliding
scale
applied
and-
and
I
want
to,
if
I'm
remembering
correctly,
it
was
70
cents
on
the
dollar,
for
the
research
campuses
and
50
cents
on
the
dollar
for
the
others.
C
In
most
bienniums,
we
have
requested
or
recommended
rather
a
dollar
for
dollar
match,
because
we
feel,
like
you
know,
approximately
half
of
the
funds
that
are
used
to
educate
students
come
from.
You
know,
state
taxpayers,
the
other
half
comes
from
tuition
and
fee
revenue,
and
we
see
this
as
a
partnership
where
students
and
families
of
the
state
and
institutions
need
to
work
together
to
address
this
need,
because
it
is
so
large
and
that's
one
reason
that
we
went
with
the
50
cents
on
the
dollar
match.
C
For
this
upcoming
biennium
instead
of
a
dollar
for
dollar
match
is
because
we're
still
in
kind
of
the
throes
of
this
pandemic,
and
our
institutions
are
starting
to.
You
know
to
hopefully
come
out
of
that
we're
going
to
be
returning
to
in-person
learning
for
the
upcoming
fall
semester,
but
at
any
rate,
in
recognition
of
the
financial
difficulties
some
of
our
institutions
faced
last
year
because
of
covet
19
and
are
you
know
actually
continuing
to
face
into
this?
C
You
know
this
new
academic
year
we
went
with
the
lower
50
cents
on
the
dollar
match,
as
opposed
to
a
dollar
per
dollar
match.
But
you
are
correct.
Madam
share
that
there
was
one
biennium
where
the
two
research
campuses
had
a
a
larger
70
cents
on
the
dollar
match,
as
opposed
to
the
50
cents
for
the
comprehensives
in
kctcs.
A
So
that's
helpful
to
know
I'm
going
back
to
what
you
said
about
tuition
dollars.
So
do
we
have
and
that's
a
good
point,
do
we
have
any
numbers
on
whether
the
tuition
dollars
compared
to
other
funds
received
at
some
place?
For
example,
kctcs
are
percentage-wise
the
same
as
let's
say
at
the
research
universities.
C
That
that
information
is
something
that
we
could
pull
together
fairly
easily.
I
don't
have
it
at
my
fingertips.
C
So
what
you're
asking
for
is
you
know
what
is
the
share
of
educational
cost
that
is
paid
by
the
student
versus
the
state
share
and
looking
at
the
differential
between
kctcs?
Maybe
the
comprehensive
universities
and
the
research
universities.
A
Yes,
because
my
understanding
is
that
at
kctcs,
for
example,
and
I'm
not
trying
to
stick
out
on
one
versus
the
other,
but
I'm
just
using
this
as
the
edges
of
the
spectrum
and
everybody's
in
between
somewhere,
I
think
kctcs
participates
in
a
number
of
programs
are
where
the
student
does
not
actually
end
up
paying
funds
for
their
tuition.
You
know
this
there's
a
number
of
state
programs,
yet
dual
credit
and
you've
got
work
ready
and
all
these
things.
A
You
know
that
I'm
I'm
wondering
versus
if
you're
a
student
at
you
know,
uk,
for
example,
you
probably
get
scholarships
and
I'm
sure,
there's
some
kind
of
general
data
cloud
out
there.
That
has
that
information
to
where
we
can
get
a
handle
on
how
much
how
much
tuition
funding
is
really
coming
in
here
as
a
percentage
of
the
whole.
A
I
don't
know
if
that's
the
criteria
or
if
it's
a
criteria,
but
it's
something
that's
on
my
mind
for
making
sure
that
we
are
taking
care
of
who
is
excusing
me
in
need
the
most,
because,
obviously
we
got
limited
funds,
and
I
appreciate
you
know:
here's
the
total
needs,
but
then
in
some
cases,
past
need
is
not
the
same
as
future
need.
So
we
have
to
look
at
that
as
well.
C
But
we
we
could,
we
could
have
that
information
about
a
week
from
today.
A
Okay,
is
there
any
way
to
get
it
slightly
before,
because
a
week
from
today,
as
our
staff,
our
deadline,
we
told
our
staff
we'd
have
our
final
decisions
to
them
to
be
able
to
print
in
the
report,
and
I
would
really
hope
that
our
members
could
be
at
least
surprised
at
that
piece
of
information
before
we
print
our
final
report.
Is
that
any
way
possible.
A
So
next
wednesday
is
the
22nd.
That's
our
deadline
for
our
recommendations
to
the
staff
to
print
the
reports.
So
if
we
had
it
out
to
the
members,
what's
today
is
wednesday,
could
we
have
it
like
by
monday.
A
Okay,
I
really
appreciate
that
one
of
those
questions
we
should
probably
have
asked
25
years
ago,
but
I
I
mean
maybe
they
did,
but
I
think
we
need
an
update,
particularly
in
light
of
the
current
situation,
where
I
think,
a
lot
of
costs
and
and
education
have
changed,
but
with
the
delivery
models
changing
and
and
all
that,
what
we
just
mentioned
with
the
whole
shutdowns
and
pandemic
stuff
going
on
somebody
have
any
other
thoughts,
particularly
on
the
schools.
I
don't
want
to
spend
all
of
our
time
there,
but
it's
a
big
piece
of
this.
A
Some
of
them
stuck
out
to
me,
as
you
know,
very
large
prices
that
I
really
am
struggling
with
a
good
example
of
that
is
the
little
sandy
correctional
complex
81
million
dollars.
I
remember
asking
about
that
when
we
were
in
the
committee
and
it
amounted
to
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
bed
which,
if
you've
been
a
little
sandy,
the
way
their
dorms
are
set
up
there.
You
get
two
beds
in
one
cube,
two
broom
area
and
that's
two
hundred
thousand
dollars,
then
for
one
cube
room,
I'm
we've
got
somewhere
else.
A
We
were
approving
something
I
forget
which
campus
it
was
on,
but
some
housing
for
sixty
two
thousand
dollars
for
a
unit,
so
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
a
unit
for
jail
versus
sixty
two
thousand,
for,
like
some
kind
of
I
don't
remember,
college
campus
or
somewhere.
I
I
forget
now,
but
the
point
being
expanding
the
jail
seems
to
me
like
the
very
costly
way
to
do
things
when,
in
fact
my
perspective
is
that
there's
a
number
of
people
in
jail.
A
Some
technical
violations
are
things
as
small
as
stuff
that
you
can't
even
go
to
jail
for,
if
you're,
a
regular
person,
and
so
this
is
a
policy
question.
I
want
everybody
to
be
thinking
about.
So
I
mean
I'm
I'm
deep
into
this
policy
question,
but
do
we
need
to
spend
a
ton
of
money
trying
to
make
sure
we
have
space
for
overcrowded
prisons,
or
do
we
address
why
we
have
overcrowded
prisons?
We've
got
people
in
prison
that
are
not
being
helped
by
being
there
and
they're,
not
helping
the
public
by
being
there
either.
A
You
know,
then
that's
a
question
of
where
are
our
resources
best
spent,
so
that's
kind
of
where
I
look
at
this
from
I'm
just
not
excited
about
making
more
space
to
solve
the
symptoms.
When
we
haven't
addressed
the
problem,
one
of
these
items
is
the
says:
ksp
has
a
number
of
things.
One
is
security
where
there's
a
skills
pad
you
mentioned
that
earlier
represent
louis
I'm
looking
for.
Maybe
the
radios
are
on
the
other
one.
I
don't
know
where
they
are
we'll
look
at
that.
Let
me
find
that.
A
Is
that
an
id?
I
was
wondering
if
that
was
an
I.t,
oh
we'll
get
that
later.
Okay,
in
any
event,
I'm
concerned
about
the
parks
of
new
construction
at
the
parks
I
feel
like
we
don't
have
the
money
in
now
to
maintain
what
we
have
and
as
much
as
some
people
want
to
say.
You
know
we
need
to
upgrade
and
increase
new
things
at
parks
concerns
me.
We
can't
cover
what
we've
got.
A
We
almost
need
to
try
to
narrow
down
where
we're
focused
and
get
some
things
really
short
up
before
we
can
just
start
building
more
things
that
are
going
to
create
more
maintenance
issues
for
us,
that's
kind
of
my
thoughts
on
the
parks.
Let
me
scroll
through
the
rest
of
this
list
here.
A
A
Yeah
I'll
I'll
find
out,
I.
E
Mean
I'll
say
I
that
one
kind
of
surprised
me
given
the
proximity
of
frankfurt
to
both
lexington
and
louisville,
particularly
their
airports.
I
mean
it's
just
you
know
you
go
down.
Versailles
road,
take
a
left
and
you're
right
at
the
bluegrass
airport
in
less
than
probably
15
minutes,
and
then
you
know
louisville's
airports.
Actually,
I
think,
on
the
east
side
of
louisville,
so
I
mean
you
know
that
that
that
that
did
strike
me
is
is
somewhat
superfluous.
E
You
know,
as
to
the
little
sandy
correctional
complex,
you
know
it's
my
understanding
at
those
expansions,
and
I
understand
that
there's
a
potential
philosophical
debate
here,
but
you
know,
as
has
been
saying
I
mean
I'm,
I'm
not
fundamentally
opposed
to
some
criminal
justice
reform,
but
most
of
the
people
that
are
that
are
in
prison.
These
aren't
first-time
offenders.
These
are
people
that
are
second,
third,
fourth,
fifth,
sixth,
seventh,
eighth
time.
E
Offenders
that
you
know
do
cause
some
problems
for
society
at
large
and
then
people
who
choose
to
live
decently,
so
you
know,
I
think,
to
just
cut
all
these
people
out
there
amongst
us
is
not
necessarily
something
I
would
be
in
favor
of,
but
as
to
the
project
itself,
you
know
the
little
sandy
correctional
complex
is
one
of
the
largest
employers
and
it
is
the
largest
employer
in
elliott
county
one
of
kentucky's,
most
disadvantaged
counties.
It's
my
understanding
that
this
expansion
is
actually.
E
Proposed
as
an
attempt
to
relieve
so
some
overcrowding
in
in
the
more
urban
areas
of
kentucky,
I
believe
around
louisville
in
particular,
and
some
of
the
problems
they're
having
and
a
few
of
those
facilities.
E
I
agree.
The
cost
of
the
beds
does
seem
a
little
bit
high.
On
the
other
hand,
I
think
you
also
have
to
look
at
the
fact
that
you
know
it
it.
You
know,
there's
there's
certain
issues
that
I
think
that
that
come
along
with
with
constructing
a
jail
nowadays
as
far
as.
A
Well,
I
I
do
think,
that's
a
good
point.
As
far
as
moving
to
the
rural
area
little
sandy
versus
we
do
have
a
number
of
facilities
up
in
toward
the
louisville
area.
That
are
some
of
them.
I
think,
need
to
be.
I
don't
know
if
they've
been
condemned
or
if
they're
closed
down,
I
mean
it's
getting
to
be
really
rough,
so
I,
for
the
purposes
of
actually
needing
to
shut
down
a
location
and
move
to
another.
A
That
makes
sense
as
far
as
the
overall
cost
obviously
is
a
little
scary,
and
I
appreciate
the
comments
on
the
hangers
at
the
airport,
because
yeah
that's
frankfurt
and
I
pulled
it
up
here
again.
They
say
these
16
new
hangers
could
be
rented
to
there's
a
20
waiting
list.
20
individuals
who
are
have
expressed
an
interest
in
running
hangars
to
store
their
personal
aircraft.
A
They
could
be
rented
average.
I
don't
know
market
rate
for
that
would
rent
and
total
revenue
would
end
up
being
twenty
one
thousand
eight
hundred
forty
dollars
a
year
so
for
a
two
million
dollar
project
and
we're
91
years
into
this
thing
before
we
even
hit
sea
level.
That's
a
concern
for
me.
I
hope
the
rent
is
actually
higher
than
that,
but
if
it's
not,
we
need
to
figure
out
how
the
hangar
doesn't
have
to
cost
2
million
because
certainly
doesn't
seem
to
be
something
to
spend
our
taxpayer
dollars
on.
F
Yeah
as
far
as
the
the
skills
pad
yeah,
so
I
had
the
privilege
of
going
out
there
about
two
years
ago.
I
guess-
and
so
these
troopers,
when
they're
learning
their
driving
skills.
They
really
don't
get
enough
time
because
they
don't
have
the
availability
of
the
property.
And
so
when
you
go
back
and
you
consider
all
the
lawsuits
that
come
out
of
whether
it's
rex
or
just
lack
of
training,
you
know
the
people
that
I
that
I
talked
to.
F
A
Do
you
know
if
the
space
that
they're
planning
on
putting
this
would
in
the
future
be
able
to
increase
or
be
added
on
to
perhaps
for
a
driving
track?
That's
bigger,
because
the
skills
pad
sounded
me
like
it
was
kind
of
the
like
I'm
comparing
it
to
the
one
in
richmond.
You
kind
of
have
the
up
front
part
where
you
could
do
more
of
the
maneuvers
and
stuff,
but
then
you
have
the
actual
driving
track
and
frankly,
in
richmond
that
driving
track's
way
too
small
anyway.
To
do
what
I
would
call
really
good
training.
F
Right,
I
think
we
need
to
experience.
I
honestly,
honestly,
don't
it's
it's
been
a
couple
years,
but
I'm
sure
they'd
come
out
and
show
us
yeah.
A
A
A
E
F
Yeah,
madam
chair
I'll,
just
point
out
leslie
county
on
court
of
justice.
We
actually
got
to
make
a
change
on
page
82
of
the
draft
report.
A
Okay,
that's
well!
I
actually
got
confused
about
that,
but
that's
the
only
one
that
I
remember
talking
about
was
leslie
county.
A
Do
you
know
anything
about
the
fight
facility
that
they're
talking
about
there
and
and
the
feelings
of
the
community
on
that?
Because
I've
talked
to
a
number
of
communities
that
got
these
large.
I
mean
huge,
huge
buildings
way
bigger
than
they
needed
way,
bigger
than
ones
they
had
and
the
aoc
says.
Well,
we
want
to
you,
know,
prospectively,
prepare
for
expansion,
but
some
of
these
things
are
expansion
beyond.
A
F
A
A
But
I
know
I
don't
remember
if
it
was
leslie
county
or
if
it
was
something
else
something
of
they
mentioned
renovations
and
upgrades
that
they
either
were
doing
or
needed
to
be
done.
And
the
question
is:
what's
the
old
building
going
to
be
used
for
you
know,
are
we
grazing
it
because
it's
next
to
condemnation,
or
is
it
just
an
old
building
that
needs
new
windows
upgrades
on
the
doors
and
hvac
system?
I
mean
you
know
those
are
the
questions.
Obviously,.
F
Right,
I'm
not
exactly
sure
the
building
itself
is
in
pretty
rough
shape,
though
there
was
a
jail
facility
in
the
basement,
part
of
it
mold
flooding
everything
else.
The
state
won't
let
the
county
use
it
pretty
much.
It's
in
such
bad
shape.
A
A
The
emar
system
is
a
high
priority
for
a
number
of
because
everybody
uses
it,
and
I
I
I
agree,
the
emr
system
doesn't
seem
to
be
2021
and
if
they
can
make
it
even
better,
that's
the
way
we
share
and
get
information
and
everyone.
It
goes
to
the
public
and
every
I
just
think,
that's
kind
of
one.
We
should
really
focu.
A
You
know,
make
sure
we
don't
miss
the
case
management
system
for
department
of
public
advocacy
stuck
out
to
me
also
because
that
is
a
one
of
those
agencies
that
is
always
understaffed,
always
underpaid,
always
overworked.
You
know
just
about
drowning
and
I
feel
like
if
they
had
a
technological
solution
for
the
price
of
one
million
six
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
to
pull
that
together,
think
of
the
number
of
staff,
potentially
that
they
could
replace
with
technology
right
that
they
don't
even
have
the
staff
anyway.
A
So
what
I'm
saying
is
it
just
sounds
like
a
a
project.
We
might
want
to
focus
on
ksp
radios,
emergency
radio
system
in
place
and
that's
been
long
standing.
We
mentioned
that
a
few
times
it's
on
this
list.
I
think
the
total
price
on
that
ended
up
was
like
140
million
or
something
like
that
total,
and
this
is
a
phase
I
think,
phase
three
or
something
of
that
total
project,
and
this
is
going
to
be
over
a
10-year
period
of
time.
A
E
That's
madame
chair
as
to
kentucky
wired,
I
mean
I,
I
think,
we're
all
concerned
as
to
you
know
the
cost
overruns
and
and
things
of
that
sort.
On
the
other
hand,
I
can
tell
you
as
a
not
only
as
the
senator
for
a
rural
district
as
a
you
know.
I
live
there
and-
and
you
know
we
have
some
decent
internet
service
in
our
particular
location,
but
you
know
we're
the
exception
rather
than
the
rule,
and
I
don't.
I
think
the
primary
issue
with
the
kentucky
wire
has
not
been
so
much.
E
E
You
know
you
may
have,
whereas
in
lexington
you
may
have
you
know,
100
houses
within
a
square
mile
and
you
get
out
into
rural
areas.
There
may
be
only
two
or
three
that
doesn't
make
the
need
to
be
connected
to
the
modern
economy.
Any
less,
and
I
think
that
itself
was
the
genesis
for
the
kentucky
wire
project.
E
E
You
know,
I
think
they're
have
done
some
initial
tests
on
the
on
the
loops,
and
I
think
once
this
actually
gets
going-
and
you
know
other
vendors
are
able
to
sell
last
mile
service.
This
could
be
a
real
game
changer
in
rural
areas,
particularly
for
you
know,
a
lot
of
remote
working
that
is
available
in
this
21st
century
economy.
You
know
right
now.
Those
types
of
jobs
are
rather
difficult,
but
you
know
with
the
modern
communication
technology.
E
E
With
the
2008
stimulus
package-
and
you
know
even
apple
and
some
other
institutions
are
actually
hiring
people
at
20
and
30
an
hour
jobs
to
do
technical
support.
E
So
I
think
the
goal
of
the
kentucky
wire
project,
which
you
know,
started
out
with
kind
of
a
focus
on
eastern
kentucky,
but
which
actually
expands
all
of
kentucky
and
western
kentucky.
This
is
not
just
a
a
regional
project,
but
a
real
statewide
approach.
That,
I
think,
is
that's
important.
We
we
see
to
the
end
so
that
every
people,
every
person
in
all
corners
of
kentucky,
can
have
these
opportunities.
E
Madam
chair,
I
would
like
to
state,
I
know
I
know
we've
kind
of
moved
on
from
some
of
the
the
construction
projects,
but
I
see
a
special
advisor
to
the
governor
rocky
adkins
is
here
we
we
he
shared
well.
E
He
was
the
representative
for
elliott
county
for
many
many
years,
and
I
think
you,
you
made
a
some
comments
about
the
little
sandy
correctional
complex
that
I
think
he
has
direct
knowledge
of
that
could
elaborate
on
some
of
the
points
that
I
was
made
and
if
you
would
be
so
kind
as
to
maybe
give
him
a
few
moments
to
to
back
up
and
talk
about
some
of
the
potentials
of
that
project
for
this
rural
county.
I
would
be
very
much
appreciative.
G
A
We
are
in
attempting
to
go
more
informal
in
a
jury,
deliberation,
room
style
on
all
the
projects,
so
we've
been
presented
talking
about
things
that
are
sticking
out
things.
We
need
to
look
at
focus
on
and,
let's
back
up,
because
the
center
wheeler
had
to
run
out
on
phone
call
and
as
we
moved
past,
our
new
construction
items
and
moved
on
to
rit,
but
we'll
back
up
to
new
construction.
So
we
did
have
a
conversation
about
a
little
sandy
and
exactly
what
this
means.
A
It
seems
like
it's
a
very
expensive
project
and
I
had
brought
up
justice
reform
concerns
where
you
know
we're
overcrowded,
and
why
are
we
overcrowded?
Is
it
because
there's
you
know,
50
percent
of
people
are
coming
in
on
parole
violations
rather
than
actual
crimes
and
so
forth,
and
so
we
need
to
look
at
you
know.
What
number
can
we
shave
off
the
population
by
policy
reform
not
necessarily
worried
about
building
new
buildings?
A
Then
he
did
mention
the
importance
of
some
of
the
other
facilities
that
we
need
to
actually
get
out
of
or
vacate
because
of
bad
bad.
You
know
in
louisville
area
and
so
forth.
I
can't
remember
which
all
ones
are
the
worst,
but
so
if
little
sandy
would
actually
become
one
of
our
larger
poor
ones
that
we
have
out
in
the
rural
area
if
other
facilities
are
going
to
be
shut
down,
and
so
please
just
jump
in
and
share
your
thoughts
on
all
of
that
or
any
other
items
on
our
list.
Since
you've.
G
Just
been
joining
us,
I
didn't
hear
the
conversation
I
apologize
for
being
late.
I've
been
across
the
street
in
a
couple
of
meetings
this
morning,
but
just
in
this
last
budget,
the
general
assembly
passed
monies
to
start
the
planning
and
design
phases
on
the
oldham
county.
G
Kentucky
state
reformatory,
I
think,
is
the
the
right
name
for
that
and
the
hospital
that
is
there
and
the
condition
of
the
hospital
to
go
in
and
do
the
renovation
and
the
cost
of
that
in
the
expense
of
that.
So
there
is
an
appropriation
in
the
current
budget,
we're
in
to
basically
start
the
planning
and
design
to
basically
relocate
that
at
a
different
place,
a
different
location.
G
The
money
is
to
plan
and
design
phase
two
of
the
little
sandy
correctional
facility,
and
that
is
basically
because
one
of
the
dormitories
at
the
kentucky
state
reformatory
is
also
in
such
age
and
bad
shape
to
do
any
type
of
rehabilitation
or
to
knock
it
down
and
build
it
back.
Do
the
cost
of
that
as
well.
G
So
this
is
basically
a
relocation
of
of
the
inmate
population.
When
little
sandy
was
built,
it
was
built
to
double
the
size
and,
of
course,
the
cost
of
basically
the
amount
that
you
see
is
to
build
phase
two.
So
in
the
current
budget
is
the
money
to
design
and
plan,
and
this
was
basically
a
discussion
that
we
had
senator
among
the
local
elected
officials
and
leaders
within
oldham
county,
along
with
the
speaker
and
others.
G
G
G
The
amount
of
money
really
is
the
best
way
to
go
for
the
taxpayers
for
the
long
haul,
you'll
have
a
facility
of
little
sandy.
Of
course,
that
is
the
last
facility
that
was
built
in
kentucky
as
far
as
our
correctional
facilities
and
all
the
site
work
and
everything
done
was-
was
done
for
phase
two,
so
that
is
the
thought
process
working
closely
with
correction,
taking
into
consideration
what
you
said
as
well
on
on
on
the
reforms
that
we've
done
potential
prison
population
in
the
future.
G
So
this
would
be
a
relocation
of
current
inmates
that
are
at
kentucky
state
reformatory.
That
would
be
relocated
because
of
the
condition
of
the
facility
in
oldham
county.
So
that
is
I'm
trying
to
think
how
old
little
sandy
is.
Now
it's
my
home
community.
It
seems
like
yesterday
that
we
actually
opened
the
facility,
but
time
flies.
G
I
guess
when
you're
having
fun
but
but
now
to
look
at
the
future
and
also
to
see
where
potential
workforce
may
be,
as
you
know,
we're
facing
an
issue
there
as
well,
but
potential
workforce
where
we
may
be
able
and-
and
the
thing
about
I
want
to.
I
want
to
mention
this
because
I
think
this
is
important
as
we
talk
about
this,
the
ability
to
relocate
within
the
same
community
for
people
that
work
in
the
correctional
facilities
in
oldham
county.
A
That
actually
brings
up
a
really
good
point,
so
I
mean
I'm
sitting
here
going
all
right.
I
like
the
idea
of
obviously
one
of
the
things
we've
talked
about
cost
of
living,
getting
out
of
oldham
county
and
going
to
elliott
county
changes,
the
dynamics,
because
we
all
know
the
corrections
on
officers
are
just
not
competitive
pay
rates,
and
that
is
another
topic
for
a
different
committee,
but
but
the
it
helps
a
little
bit
to
get
out
of
the
expensive.
A
G
G
You
know
the
main
objective
of
a
correctional
facility,
as
we
all
know,
is
to
hopefully
rehabilitate
for
re-entry
back
into
the
communities.
That's
what
we
hope
for,
but
for
the
economic
spin-off
for
a
rural
community,
like
my
home
county
of
elliott,
county
or
any
other
rural
county
is
really
pretty
tremendous
from
the
infrastructure.
That's
been
built
to.
G
You
know
one
of
the
largest
employers
now
in
that
community,
so
the
the
other
phase
of
that
is
the
economic
impact
and
trying
to
really
trying
to
really
revitalize
economies
that
have
been
hit
so
hard.
The
downturn
of
coal,
thousands
of
jobs
lost
directly
and
indirectly
the
downturn,
the
steel
industry
downturn,
the
railroad
railroad
industry.
I
understand
these
jobs,
don't
pay
of
that
quality.
I
agree
with
that,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
these
facilities
in
rural
parts
of
the
state
really
have
been.
G
A
savior
for
the
economy
and
economic
development
and
the
spin
off
of
that
back
into
the
community,
so
the
the
workforce
will
be
there,
folks
that
want
to
have
a
job
that
they
know
is
going
to
be
there
tomorrow,
folks
that
want
to
live
in
their
own
communities
instead
of
traveling
to
georgetown
or
to
another
part
of
the
state
for
some
other
type
of
job
to
be
able
to
sleep
in
their
own
bed.
G
E
Madam
chair,
I
I
would
like
to
say
I
had
extensive
discussions
with
reviser
adkins
last
session
about
this
and
and,
as
he
really
eloquently
stated,
it's
a
win-win
project.
It's
a
win
for
oldham
county
and
that
it
you
know,
provides
them
with
some
additional
opportunities
for
industrial
expansion,
but
it's
it's
also
a
win
for
our
rural
communities,
around
elliott,
county
and
for
elliot
county.
In
particular,
I
mean
these
jobs
may
not
pay
that
much,
but
for
for
people
that
really,
you
know,
live
right
on
the
edge
of
poverty.
E
In
many
cases,
as
rocky
said,
these
are
a
lifesaver
and
and
these
jobs
are
very
appreciated
in
that
community,
and
you
know
what
I
like
to
also
think
you
know.
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
a
lot
of
people
don't
realize
is
how
beautiful
rural
areas
like
elliott,
county
and
and
lawrence
county
and
johnson
county
martin
county
pike
county
really
are
until
they
get
there
and-
and
you
know,
I
think
I
don't
like
to
look
at
these
jobs
is
the
you
know.
This
is
not
what
we
want
in
the
long
term.
E
We
we
want
these
jobs
really
as
a
base
to
build
upon
so
that
in
the
future
we
can
start
to
rebuild
our
industrial
economy
and
new
age
economy
in
eastern
kentucky.
But
you
know
until
that
time
we've
got
to
keep
a
population
there,
and
this
investment
by
the
state
is
essential
to
do
that.
And
so
I'm
I'm
I'm
fully
committed
to
this
project
and
I
think
it's
worthwhile
expenditure
of
state
funds.
A
I
have
a
another
question,
then
so
by
understanding,
as
I
recall,
because
it
says
phase
two
facility
I
felt
like
we
were
doing
the
dorms
there
that
they
have
like
the
footing
or
whatever
set
up
for
is
there
because
I,
I
don't
recall
other
buildings
and
facilities
as
part
of
the
expansion,
but
are
you
suggesting
that
the
phase
two
of
little
sandy
is
more
than
the
additional
dorms,
because
I
was
kind
of
thinking?
Well,
how
are
they
going
to
do?
G
There
here's
what
I
remember
from
phase
one
site
work
was
done
for
phase
two.
While
they
were
doing
phase
one.
I
believe
that
many
of
the
buildings
were
also
built
for
the
expected
expansion
at
some
point
in
time.
G
I
do
not
know
what
else
would
be
included.
I
know
much
of
the
infrastructure.
For
instance,
wastewater
treatment
plant
was
built,
for
you
know,
phase
two,
a
matter
of
fact:
a
little
community
of
sandy
hook,
the
whole
wastewater
treatment
plant
was
rebuilt,
which
was
another
big
deal
for
a
little
community.
You
know
so
so
I
can't
answer
outside
of
the
dormitories
themselves.
I'm
not
the
expert
in
that
field.
What
else
would
have
to
happen
to
attach
all
that
and
make
it
work?
G
A
A
Did
anybody
have
any
other
projects
they
wanted
to
kind
of
bring
forward
or
touch
back
on.
A
I
liked
the
idea
they
were
trying
to
get
everybody
onto
one
system
to
where
then,
you
could
see
you
know,
credits,
transferring
and
and
all
this
stuff
for
our
students
to
be
able
to
navigate
and
move
around
our
entire
state
college
system.
I
liked
that
idea.
A
A
A
Sometimes
you
don't
even
know
what
to
do
about
these
things:
the
integrated
tax
system
for
the
department
of
revenue
they're
needing
more
money.
This
is
about
the
size
and
scope
of
the
ksp
radio
project.
It
seems-
and
this
is
the
one
that
we
keep
seeing-
I
I
hope
and
think
that
they're
going
to
make
good
progress
on
the
system
that
they're
working
on,
but
getting
off
of
the
you
know
2500
different
pieces
of
software
on
mainframes
or
whatever
written
in
1960s
and
70s,
or
I
mean
it's
just.
A
It
is
really
insane
how
we
actually
solve
that
problem.
I
don't
know,
there's
a
vendor
working
on
it,
we
put
a
bunch
of
money
into
it
a
couple
years
back.
It
seems
well
over
100
million
dollar
project,
as
I
recall,
and
it
looks
like
they
need
more
money,
there's
two
ways
to
look
at
this,
and
I
would
certainly
entertain
any
comments.
A
E
Well,
madam
chair,
I
think
this
has
been
a
very
helpful
discussion
today
and
there's
been
some
positive
dialogue
in
here.
I
appreciate
your
very
open
and
informal
conversation
that
you
brought
about
today.
I
think
it's
brought
out
some
very
good
points
for
projects
throughout
the
entire
state,
and
you
know
I
look
forward
to
going
in
through
this
list
in
great
detail
before
we
make
our
final
recommendations
next
week.
A
Awesome
I
appreciate
that.
Obviously,
the
goal
is
to
try
to
get
us
together
and
in
an
open
forum.
We
can
make
sure
the
public's
invited
in
our
open
meetings
where
we
have
a
quorum
of
our
group,
but
also
be
able
to
discuss,
as
we
have
heard
all
this
stuff
coming
at
us,
and
we
never
really
have
time
at
the
meetings
to
discuss
with
each
other.
It's
more
us
in
the
agencies
so
of
course,
we're
all
available,
email
and
so
forth,
but
reminder
these
lists
that
staff
sent
out
to
us.
A
We
need
to
turn
them
back
into
them
no
later
than
a
week
from
today,
with
our
markings
up
to
15
items
in
each
of
the
three
categories,
so
that
they
can
tally
up
our
total
focus
points
and
stick
them
in
the
report.
Now
the
next
meeting
is
going
to
be
october.
The
13th
at
one
o'clock
praying
nothing
else,
weird
happens
and
we're
changing
the
dates
and
times
and
that
meeting
it
should
be
shorter
than
our
normal
meetings,
because
we
really
just
need
to
review
that
report
and
make
final
approval
for
that
staff.