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A
President,
so
well,
we
do
have
a
quorum.
The
first
item
on
the
agenda's
consideration
the
minutes
of
the
November
9th
meeting
of
the
committee.
Is
there
a
motion
that
they'd
be
considered
as
being
approved,
motion
by
representative
Hearts?
Second,
by
Senator
Douglas,
all
those
in
favor
of
Rhode
Island
opposed
vote?
No
clerk.
Please
call
the
road.
B
A
Aye
motion
carries
total
number
of
items
on
the
agenda.
Today
are
293
contracts
in
the
amount
of
167
million
374
000
60.82
cents.
All
vendors
are
registered
with
the
Secretary
of
State's
office.
Next
order
visit
consideration
the
agenda
including
the
personal
service
contract,
List,
personal
service
contract,
Amendment
list
memorandum
of
agreement
list,
memorandum
of
agreement,
Amendment
list
and
the
corrections
list,
except
for
those
items
selected
for
the
review.
Do
we
have
a
motion
to
consider
the
contracts
review
without
objection.
A
A
Aye
motion
carries
first
item
on
the
pool
list
with
the
Department
of
Highways
is
number
five
on
the
routine
POC
green
list.
If
representatives
are
here,
excuse
me
they're,
they're,
testifying
virtually
I
do
believe.
So,
if
you're
here,
please
identify
yourself
for
the
record.
D
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
I
request
this
contract
being
pulled
just
from
primarily
for
informational
purposes,
large
contract,
obviously,
and
would
like
to
know
a
little
bit
of
the
the
history
of
this.
A
Particular
sense
that
it's
required
a
retroactive
date
and
I
appreciate
the
explanation
that
you
gave
us
in
our
packet.
But
since
this
is
going
to
be
an
ongoing
relationship
with
the
state
of
Ohio
would
just
like
some
background
on
where
we
are
today
and
what
we
can
expect
going
forward.
E
That,
okay,
just
just
a
little
bit
of
History
to
to
get
to
where
we're
moving
forward.
Of
course,
the
we're
in
partnership
with
the
Ohio
Department
of
Transportation
on
the
Brent
Spence
Bridge,
oh
dot,
I
use
as
an
acronym.
They
have
been
the
lead
Contracting
agency
since
our
Arrangement
started
in
2004..
E
That
Arrangement
has,
you
know,
required
us
to
reimburse
Ohio
for
our
share
of
the
expenses
in
the
development
process
for
the
brand
Spence
Bridge
Project
we've
had
six
I.
Guess:
supplemental
memorandums
agreement
during
that
17-year
period
with
the
with
the
six
being
issued
this
past
February
for
the
basically
the
preparation
of
procurement
documents
for
a
Construction
contract
on
the
prince
fence
Bridge
during
our
negotiation
over
the
summer,
with
the
Ohio
Department
of
Transportation
on
how
we
will
manage
this
project
moving
forward
through.
E
What's
called
an
interstate
Cooperative
agreement,
Ohio
recognizing
the
large
expenses
that
they
would
incur
on.
Our
behalf
asked
if
we
would
be
willing
to
pay
the
vendors
directly
rather
than
reimbursing
them
for
our
share
of
the
expenses,
and
this
first
contract
with
hntb
hmtb
has
actually
been
on
multiple
contracts
since
2013
and
we've
had
a
relationship
to
reimburse
Ohio
for
our
expenses
in
that
effort.
But
this
new
contract,
which
was
issued
over
the
summer
in
August,
we
started
negotiating
with
Ohio
and
we
agreed
that
we
would
pay
that
vendor
directly
rather
than
reimbursing
Ohio.
E
E
A
Well,
I
appreciate
that
we
are
moving
forward
and
this
has
been
a
long
time
in
coming,
and
I
certainly
expect
that
we're
going
to
see
more
of
these
contracts
over
the
next
couple
of
years,
three
four
years
and
I
just
wanted
assurances.
The
process
is
a
place
that
you
know
these
are
being
reviewed,
that
we
know
they're
expensive
specific
to
this
project
and
and
not
some
other,
not
that
I.
A
Don't
trust
the
folks
from
the
state
of
the
great
city
of
Ohio,
but
just
want
to
make
sure
that
again
processes
and
procedures
in
place-
and
you
don't
always
concerns
me
when
we're
asked
to
do
something
retroactively.
Do
you
think
we'll
be
able
to
see
these
future
requests
on
a
more
concurrent
basis
rather
than
retroactive?
A
E
Sir,
we'll
work
with
Laura
to
do
that.
This
was
a
kind
of
a
hindsight
issue
that
we
didn't
recognize
when
we
made
the
agreement
with
Ohio
in
August
that
we
need
to
go
through
this
this
process
here.
So
that
was
that
that
was
our
mistake.
There
I
had
been
been
a
few
years
since
we
we
at
Indiana
did
the
same
thing
too.
It's
on
the
Louisville
Bridge's
job
I
shouldn't
say
they
did
the
same
thing
to
us.
They
asked
us
to
pay
bills
directly,
so
we
went
through
this
in
2009
2010.
Also.
A
D
A
F
B
A
G
H
A
A
J
H
For
that
absolutely
we're
happy
to
answer
that
we
selected
a
cmar
process,
which
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
submitted
it
as
well
under
180.
H
for
the
primary
purposes
of
ensuring
that
we're
getting
a
safely
constructed
product
quality
built
on
time
within
budget.
The
Alumni
Coliseum
project
in
particular,
given
the
times
that
we're
having
right
now
post
covet,
especially
where
we're
relying
upon
an
entity
to
help
us
ensure
that
we're
driving
costs
down
effectively,
as
well
as
utilize,
their
relationship
relational
Capital
within
the
construction
industry,
to
ensure
that
we
are
getting
that
high
quality
product
purposefully
built
on
time
where
Alumni
Coliseum
serves
as
our
front
porch
of
our
Institution.
H
It's
vitally
important
that
this
Project's
turned
over
in
a
very
timely
fashion.
So
we
can
utilize
that
facility
for
things
such
as
commencements
for
the
front
door
for
every
freshman
and
their
family
to
come
into
our
facility
utilize.
That
facility
and
a
cmar
will
help
us
get
there
to
ensure
that
that
timeline's
met,
but
most
assuredly
that
the
costs
are
kept
under
control
and
within
our
budget
follow.
J
A
C
J
F
The
scope
of
the
project
changed
due
to
two
two
main
factors.
Originally,
with
the
the
estimates
of
cost
going
into
the
projects,
it
was
estimated
to
be
around
25
to
30
million
dollars.
It
was
also
looking
at
three
specific
buildings
as
we
went
into
that
process
and
and
went
through
the
bid
process.
F
The
first
time
we
discovered
that
the
cost
had
gone
up
dramatically
due
to
the
construction
conditions
that
we
were
seeing,
and
not
only
that
we
found
that
one
of
the
buildings
that
we
were
looking
at
was
really
cost
prohibitive,
and
so
what
that
meant
was
that
we
were
going
to
have
to
change
what
scope
we
were
looking
at,
which
is
adding
two
of
our
Legacy
Buildings
looking
at
raising
one
of
the
original
buildings
and
then
with
the
overall
cost
of
of
construction.
Through
that
process,
it
really
just
increased
it.
A
F
A
A
L
L
O
A
A
You've
identified
this
as
a
so
source.
A
And
I'm
just
curious
as
to
why
it's
a
social
Source.
You
also
note
that
they
were
unable
to
use
a
firm.
We
currently
have
a
contract
with
because
concerns
regarding
potential
conflict
of
interest.
So
I
guess
my
questions,
and
this
isn't
a
large
contract.
I
appreciate
that,
but
I'm
always
interested
in
the
Integrity
of
these
agreements
and
if
there's.
L
Yeah,
this
was
a
a
specific
matter
that
related
to
students,
both
current
students
and
former
students
who
had
graduated.
They
were
facing
the
rescission
of
a
property
interest
that
would
affect
their
ability
to
work,
and
so
the
university
actually
needed
to
retain
Council
for
them,
it
involved
their
licensure
and
it
was
something
that
was
very
time
sensitive.
We
actually
had
to
seek
injunctive
relief,
and
so
it
was
something
that
needed
to
be
done
quickly.
L
We
needed
to
retain
a
firm
in
the
state
of
Kentucky
that
not
only
had
litigation
experience
but
also
had
experience
in
administrative
law
matters,
and
then
because
this
was
an
issue
that
related
specifically
to
their
property
interest
that
their
ability
to
be
licensed.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
legally
that
if
the
university
brought
the
action
that
there
wouldn't
be
a
standing
issue,
so
in
order
to
move
quickly
to
retain
Council,
we
had
to
get
a
firm
that
was
separate
from
the
firm
that
would
represent
the
university
in
this
matter.
L
I
do
want
to
say
that
this
is
a
a
very
distinct
finite
matter.
In
fact,
the
issue
has
been
resolved
and
that
just
sort
of
points
to
the
need
for
quick,
very
specialized
action
I
also
want
to
want
to
make
sure
that
the
amount
requested
I
have
not
seen
the
bill.
Obviously,
we
we
needed
to
go
through
this
process
first,
but
I
would
be
shocked
if
it
came
anywhere
near
the
amount
that
we
requested
due
to
the
very
finite
specialized
matter
and
the
fact
that
it
ended
so
quickly.
A
A
C
R
Morning,
dondra
Meredith
I'm,
one
of
the
Deputy
General
counsels
at
the
education
and
labor
cabinet.
A
To
another
question:
is
contract
being
pulled,
probably
could
have
pulled
all
these
contracts
for
for
medical
staffing,
because
it
concerns
me
greatly
that
we
spend
a
lot
of
money
premium
dollars
on
trying
to
secure
this
coverage,
and
you
know
like
some
kind
of
assurance
that
there's
some
plannable
place
to
reduce
our
Reliance
on
these,
because
it
is
quite
substantial.
I
pulled
this
particular
contract
and
it
goes
and
surprised
to
no
one
I,
don't
like
contracts
with
companies
from
California,
but,
secondly,
being
from
California,
obviously
for
them
to
recruit
medical
staffing.
A
Probably
the
prime
area
is
Kentucky
itself,
and
this
really
places
a
tremendous
burden
on
the
other
health
care
providers
within
the
state,
because
they
can't
compete
with
the
kind
of
rates
you
pay
for
for
medical
staffing,
and
we
see
these
contracts
every
year.
I
know
we
will
always
have
them,
but
is
there
some
plan
in
place
to
try
to
address
this?
So
we
don't
have
to
have
such
a
Reliance
on
contracts.
M
We
had
around
200
residents
at
the
facility
and
in
the
facility
we
do
have
a
medical
unit
that
houses,
those
individuals
that
have
more
significant
needs,
and
we,
you
know,
Finding
nursing,
qualified
nursing
staff,
as
you
all
probably
know,
there's
a
nationwide
shortage
of
nurses
and
a
shortage
in
in
Kentucky,
and
so
at
the
time
the
pandemic
hit.
M
We
had
it
almost
close
to
200
individuals
housed
there
that
we
had
to
send
home
and
then
in
2021,
when
we
brought
a
lot
of
individuals
back
off
of
the
waiting
list
and
we
were
almost
at
capacity
of
around
130,
we
could
not
cover
those
shifts
we
had.
We
do
have
some
internal
staff,
18a
Merit
nurses,
but
we
did
not
have
enough
and
staff
were
working,
12-hour
shifts
and
overtime
hours,
and
so
we
we
asked
to
have
us
added
to
this
master
list,
just
kind
of
as
a
stop
Gap
during
that
time.
M
To
make
sure
that
we
could
access
nurse
qualified
nursing
staff
to
cover
those
shifts,
and
since
that
that
time
we
have
been
able
to
add
two
additional
full-time
18a
Merit
staff,
and
so
I
can
say
that
we
haven't.
We
did
not
have
to
use
this
contract,
so
we
did
not
expend
any
money
in
it
and
it
was
really
just
a
stop
Gap
measure
you
might
say
so
that
we
would
not
be
caught
in
a
24
7
facility
without
that
nursing
care.
A
M
A
I
appreciate
it,
but
I
hope
you
appreciate
my
concern
that
you're
actually
in
in
competition
with
every
other
healthcare
provider.
Instead,
he
could
take
you
who
has
the
same
problems
and
you've
got
the
good
fortune
that
we've
got
some
75
million
dollars
available
to
us
that
we
can
use
these,
but
some
other
facilities
predominantly
in
rural
areas.
They
don't
have
those
resources
and
they're
losing
staff,
and
this
makes
their
situation
worse,
not
better.
Yeah,
the
Perkins
Center.
R
And
to
clarify
Senator,
this
McNabb
represents
the
office
of
vocational
rehab
and
that
this
modification
to
this
master
agreement
was
done
for
their
facility
in
Thelma,
but
as
to
the
broader
amount
of
the
contract.
We
cannot
speak
to
that
because
I
don't
know
what
other
agencies
are
using,
that
we
would
probably
need
someone
from
the
finance
cabinet
to
answer
that.
It.
S
And
I'm
Kathy
Robinson
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
the
finance
cabinet
office
of
procurement
services
and,
like
they
already
stated,
we
issued
this
contract
on
behalf
of
multiple
agencies
at
the
agency's
request,
so
that
they
can
fill
medical
positions
that
they've
not
been
able
to
fill.
You
know
through
the
regular
Personnel
hiring
process.
N
S
This
contract
has
been
in
place
since
July
and
this
the
amount
of
it
represents
not
to
exceed
amounts
for
the
various
agencies
who
are
on
the
contract.
The
mod
that
you
see
before
you
was
to
add
forty
thousand
dollars
for
Workforce
for
them
to
use
as
needed
and
I
guess.
They've
indicated
you're
not
going
to
need
that.
So,
but
that's
what
this
modification
is
for,
and
the
agencies
using
this
contract,
they
are
required
to
submit
reports
with
the
orders
that
they
Place
against
this
contract
to
the
committee.
S
So
you
all
will
have
an
accurate
figure
of
how
much
they're
spending
against
it.
A
Appreciate
that,
because
I
don't
recall
here
before
ever
seeing
that
information-
and
you
know
I'm-
not
questioning
whether
there's
a
need
for
this
or
not
one
question-
is:
are
there
processes
in
place
to
try
to
enhance
a
recruitment
efforts?
So
we
don't
have
to
rely
on
these
and,
in
the
meantime,
I
just
want
some
acknowledgment
that
you
know
we're
being
in
competition
with
every
other
healthcare
provider
in
the
state
and
Reliance
upon
these
makes
their
situation
worse,
not
better.
So
that's
why
I
want
to
see
it
resolved
in
some
form
of
fashion.
A
I
know,
you'll
always
have
to
rely
on
it
to
some
degree,
but
without
knowing
how
much
we're
spending
presently
that
doesn't
really
tell
me
anything.
It's
just
it
concerns
me
that
we're
a
state
agency,
that's
in
competition,
an
accurate
unfair
competition
without
the
healthcare
providers
who
have
these
same
resources.
So
all
right
and
the
questions
comments
from
the
committee
and
entertain
a
motion
to
approve.
J
A
C
A
And
again,
my
no
vote
is
not
because
I
don't
think,
there's
a
need
for
this
contract.
He
goes
back
to
the
issue
of
dealing
with
a
california-based
company
when
California
still
doesn't
respect
the
sovereignty
of
the
state,
but
with
that
said,
motion
carries.
Thank
you
for
being
here
appreciate
the
information.
A
Next
item
on
the
pulled
list
is
number
48
on
the
PSE
Amendment
Ivory
list,
West
Kentucky
University.
A
Q
N
A
Thank
you
appreciate
you
being
available
to
us
this
morning.
I
request
this
contract
being
pulled,
and
there
are
two
issues-
one
in
fact
it's
a
california-based
company,
but
we
previously
prove
that
so
I'm
going
to
beat
that
one
to
death,
but
the
other
is
you're,
asked
for
an
8
000
increase
and
says,
provide
additional
funds
to
cover
the
time
of
resource,
replace
the
peer-to-peer
audio
system
with
a
managed
audio
system.
This
is
only
a
fifty
thousand
dollar
contract,
but
you
know
that
kind
of
increase
to
me
is
is
pretty
substantial.
N
In
the
original
request
for
proposals,
we
thought
we
had
a
workaround
with
some
of
the
I.T.
We
were
implementing
that
in
in
our
effort
to
reduce
costs
as
much
as
possible.
We
thought
we
would
be
able
to
work
around
using
more
freeware
than
what
we
were
able
to
in
this
instance
by
utilizing
the
peer-to-peer,
the
the
managed
audio
system
in
this
way
and
paying
using
the
eight
thousand
dollars
to
do
that.
That
will
actually
save
us
funds
up
front
in
a
way
that
we
didn't
anticipate
previously.
N
So
that
will
save
us
on
this
end
and
actually
be
allow
us
to
use
the
technology
in
a
broader
way
than
what
we
were
before.
We
would
have
run
into
this
problem.
We've
realized
now
that
we
would
have
run
into
this
problem
in
the
future,
so
this
cost
we
would
we
would
have
to
incur
inevitably
anyway.
N
A
Well,
you
kind
of
lost
me
there,
because
you
said
that
you
anticipate
that
you
would
have
to
have
this
expense
anyway,
sometime
in
the
future.
Is
that
correct.
N
Wouldn't
yes,
yes,
we
did
at
the
time
we
were
not
able
to
conduct
testing
that
allowed
us
to
realize
that
in
the
beginning,
but
now
that
we
have
been
able
to
do
some
preliminary
testing
in
some
other
areas,
where
We've
able
been
able
to
actually
note
that
the
cost
with
this
will
actually
save
us
on
this
end
rather
than
waiting
in
the
future.
So
we
aren't
able
to
move
forward
with
the
project
without
being
able
to
utilize
this
this
audio
system,
it's
an.
T
Anything
may
add
to
what
Kimberly
is
saying,
so
the
the
project
is
an
interface,
a
virtual
training
platform
which
requires
real-time
communication
between
the
trainer
and
the
trainee.
Initially,
with
a
budget
and
a
cost-saving
methodology,
we
talked
to
the
developer
and
there
are
open
sources
that
are
available.
We
tried
that
and
now
we
are
in
the
beta
testing
stage
and
when
we
try
to
test
it
even
with
WKU
system,
the
firewalls
are
not
allowing
that
to
move
forward.
That
means
with
the
product
being.
This
is
a
seed
money
for
commercialization
in
the
future.
T
So
if
we
don't
fix
that,
we
cannot
use
this
product
anywhere
with
the
minimum
firewall,
so
it
will
attack
the
whole
project
when
we
reach
the
commercialization
stage.
So
now
we
have
to
go
and
purchase
and
develop
a
system
that
will
allow
real-time
communication,
which
is
a
fundamental
to
the
training
system
that
we
are
building
and
that
we
are
going
to
scale
up
and
market
and
commercialize.
So
this
becomes
a
crucial
stage
that
we
need
to
fix
it
once
and
for
all
so
that
we
can
move
forward.
T
We
are
the
beta
testing
stage
right
now
and
our
hope
is
to
launch
it
by
2024,
so
this
became
critical
that
we
fixed
this
before
we
can
move
forward.
A
T
Sure
so
the
the
kinetic
funding
that
we
using
is
six
months
period
right
every
six
months.
We
go
forward
and
we
present
our
progress
and
if
we
convince
NIH,
they
give
us
more
funds.
So,
as
we
speak,
we
were
able
to
promise
and
and
demonstrate
viability
up
to
this
stage.
T
So
last
month
we
went
forward
and
we
presented
the
products
with
anticipation
that
everything
will
go
as
we
have
outlined
in
this
particular
one
right
and
NIH
has
granted
us
January
to
June
for
the
next
phase
of
funding,
but
they
have
also.
We
have
told
them
that
we
are
going
to
test
the
product
with
everything
working
and
then,
when
we
reach
the
testing
stage
we
started
this
month
is
when
we
realized
that
the
system
will
not
work
with
the
voice
interface.
T
So
then
we
have
to
amend
this
current
contract
because
we've
already
promised
NIH
that
we'll
get
that
taken
care
of,
and
then
we
secure
funding
with
WKU
because
of
the
trust
that
they
have
in
in
the
project
to
fix
this,
so
that
we
will
be
able
to
move
forward
and
get
the
funding
for
the
next
cycle,
which
is
June
and
January
2023
to
June
2023.
So
the
fund
are
very
short
term,
but
we
have
free,
secure
funding
from
from
January
to
June.
T
A
All
right,
goodly
noted
I,
don't
want
to
make
West
Kentucky
University
the
poster
child
for
purchasing
transparency.
A
So
again,
I'm
not
in
question
your
folks,
so
in
personal
Integrity,
regarding
this
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
process
is
very
legitimate
and
in
place
and
that
dollars
are
being
spent
the
way
they're
supposed
to
be.
But
with
that
I
don't
have
any
other
questions.
Any
comments.
Certain
questions
from
the
committee
not
entertaining
motion
motion
by
Southwest
seconded
by
was
that
Center
Douglas
or
represented
bowling
all
this
for
the
motion.
Vote
I
all
opposed
vote,
no
Kim.
Please
call
the
row.
F
A
A
U
A
Obviously,
being
retroactive
and
I
know
that
you,
you
know,
I
have
an
aversion
to
those
things,
but
in
your
correspondence.
A
U
Will
conversation
with
special
Ty,
we
received
all
of
the
no-cost
extension
requests.
Let
me
start
from
the
beginning.
Procurement
requires
a
19.1
form
from
the
Department
to
request
a
unique
contractor
modification
and
we
didn't
receive
the
request.
The
19.1
forms
for
these
no
cost
extensions
until
September
26th,
and
we
would
have
to
get
them
written
and
in
this
EMR
system
by
10,
1,
well,
actually,
9
30
and
we
didn't
have
the
time
to
do
that.
U
A
Well,
I
appreciate
that
commitment
because
again
I,
don't
questions
peoples
and
integrity
when
it
comes
to
these
sort
of
issues,
but
I
hope
you
can
appreciate
the
appearance
of
it.
That
absolutely.
A
C
C
J
A
A
U
A
C
K
It's
unable
maybe
had
a
snafu
with
seeing
this
contract
so
I'm
trying
to
get
a
handle
on
what
all
is
in
it.
If
you
can
just
kind
of
go
there
sure.
V
So
we're
partnering
with
the
Kentucky
rural
Health
Association
and
the
intent
of
their
proposal
was
to
hire
folks
to
go
out
into
the
community
to
educate
about
all
immunizations
and
vaccines
for
a
cradle
to
grave.
So
they've
been
a
partner
with
the
department
for
public
health
for
a
while.
This
was
a.
This
was
part
of
our
original
CDC
grant
funding
to
go
out
into
rural
parts
of
Kentucky
to
raise
awareness
and
educate
on
immunizations
and
vaccines
and
preventive
screenings
and
comorbidities.
That
may
put
you
at
greater
risk.
K
K
And
I
feel
like
we
had
a
contract
very
similar
to
this,
maybe
about
two
three
months
ago
and
I
felt
like
we
were
in
maybe
downtown
Louisville
or
something
where
we
at
that
time
it
was
random,
Joe
Blows
that
were
not
medical
professionals
or
whatever
that
were
trying
to
talk
each
other
into
taking
certain
vaccines
or
treatments
or
whatever.
Is
this
health
professionals
doing
this?
It's
not
those
people,
no.
V
Still
think
there's
some
around
any
immunization
for
there's
some
angst,
but
the
conversation
is
the
key
and
it
is
getting
better.
I
feel
like
with
some
of
the
projects
that
we're
seeing
across
the
state.
People
will
have
a
conversation
now
and
and
also
to
your
to
answer
your
question
even
further
I
think
it's
who's
talking
to
you
that
makes
a
difference
versus
I,
say:
representative
heart:
have
you
had
your
all
of
your
immunizations?
Are
you
up
to
date
versus
your
neighbor?
V
W
Are
we
targeting
a
population
that
is
not
seeking
Health
Care
from
the
health
provider,
because
their
health
care
providers
are
are
meant
to
teach
this
information
number
one
and
number
two,
because
I'll
make
these
very
quick?
If
not,
are
you
speaking
with
health
care
provider
and
inquiring,
why
this
information
is
not
being
given
out.
V
V
Right,
so
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
reach
those
that
don't
have
access
or
Transportation.
That's
the
targeted
focus
of
this
and
then,
if
you
don't
have
a
provider
we're
trying
to
connect
you
with
the
provider.
So
that's
the
whole
intent
of
this
is
just
connecting
folks
to
resources
and
information.
A
Appreciate
that
question
it
proms
a
question
for
me:
I
also
appreciate
the
work
that
public
health
does.
You
folks
are
truly
Champions
and
quite
quickly
like
to
see
you
take
on
more
the
responsibilities
for
the
health
of
our
population
Kentucky,
but
you
mentioned
the
particular
folks
in
rural
areas,
no
Transportation
other
socioeconomic
issues
that
are
challenges
for
them,
but
I
think
I
make
a
reasonable
assumption
that
probably
the
majority
of
these
folks
are
medical
assistants
patients.
A
Why
isn't
this
responsibility
that
Managed
Care
organizations,
rather
than
public
health
and
the
reason
I
ask
that
question
is
I
know
you
folks,
have
limited
resources
and
you're
stretched
a
thousand
different
ways.
This
is
their
job
to
improve
the
health
of
population,
reduce
the
cost
of
the
Medicaid
Program.
So
why
aren't
they
doing
this
rather
than
the
new
folks.
A
V
Partner
with
our
mcls,
of
course,
within
Public
Health,
my
office
partners
with
the
mcos
I
think
they
are
thinking
now
hindsight
2020
before
we
got
into
this
situation
this
pandemic
two
years
ago
that
they
should
have
been
doing
more
boots
on
the
ground
in
the
community
trying
to
get
people
connected
to
resources
so
now
they're
hiring
community
health
workers
to
do
that.
There.
A
V
V
K
K
Well,
that
opens
up
the
next
question
and
that
is:
are
we
looking
at
a
duplication
of
services
Maybe
at
the
latter
part
of
this
contract,
or
perhaps
in
the
renewals,
or
where
is
this?
Where
does
this
go?
Oh.
V
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
it's
a
duplication
of
services,
I
think
they're,
focusing
on
a
specific
population
and
we're
focusing
on
a
separate
some
several
populations,
so
I,
don't
think
it's
a
duplication
at
all
I
think
they're
promoting
what
they
can
within
their
Managed
Care
Organization
and
we're
General
across
the
board,
not
specific
carrier
or
provider.
Okay,.
A
A
I
appreciate
your
comment
about
the
challenge
for
folks
having
access
to
care.
That's
why
we
need
this
as
well
to
get
professionals
out,
but
I
think
you'll
be
heartened
to
know
that
the
mcos
have
told
us
that
network
adequacy
is
like
95,
so
there
really
isn't
an
access
to
carry
issue
in
Rural,
America,
so
tongue
and
cheek.
A
A
I'm,
a
no
and
I'm
gonna
explain
my
vote
again.
It's
not
because
I
don't
think
you
folks
do
a
fantastic
job
and
I
want
to
be
successful
as
possible,
but
I
think
there's
some
redundancy
and
funds
here,
and
you
know
the
fact
that
it's
Federal
funding
that's
great,
but
we
can't
continue
to
spend
federal
dollars
when
I
think
the
dollars
have
already
been
expended
for
that
purpose,
and
it
should
be
the
primary
responsibility
mcos
until
at
such
time
as
we
change
that
model.
V
A
A
I've
been
on
this
committee
for
I
think
five
years
and
you
folks
may
have
set
the
new
record
for
the
most
consecutive
visits
to
a
government
contract
review
committee
meeting.
So
congratulations:
Center
Southworth
has
questions
on
number
37
and
81.
We'll
do
those
first
on
the
pink
list.
K
Okay,
I'm
on
number
37
right
now,
math,
Nation
and
I
am
trying
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
what
exactly
is
going
on
here,
because
it
looks
like
to
me
we're
talking
about
an
online
math
curriculum.
Is
this
replacing
all
current
math
curriculum,
or
is
this
because
then
it
talks
about
tutoring
in
tutoring
is
great
but
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
what
is
the
actual
Core
Curriculum
and
what
is
this
different,
not
comprehensive,
comprehensive
duplication?
What
exactly
we're
doing
here.
O
Well,
thank
you
for
the
question.
Senator
Salford
I
want
to
begin
by
saying
that
this
contract
was
established
in
the
budget
bill.
So
this
is
not
one
that
the
department
did
an
RFP
for
or
that
we
sought
out.
We
are
in
acting
I,
guess
that
the
contract,
as
per
the
budget
requirements
and
so
math
nation,
is
out
again
of
the
University
of
Florida,
and
it
is
not
it's
certainly
not
a
comprehensive
mathematics
program.
It
is
intended
to
be
a
supplemental
resource
to
what
local
districts
have
available
to
them
it.
O
It
does
have
both
an
online
component
where
there
are
interactive
activities
to
provide
additional
supports
for
what
students
are
learning
outside
within
the
classroom
and
there's
flexibility
for
them
to
do
that
at
home,
as
well
as
in
person
within
the
building,
there's
also
a
limited
number
of
supply
of
print
materials
that
would
go
along
with
this
for
those
local
districts
who
elect
to
implement
this.
This
program.
K
O
X
A
Well,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
wasn't
inclusive,
so
37
is
what
we're
discussing
any
other
comments.
Questions
from
community
members
regarding
37.
A
Let's,
if
we
could,
let's
hold
that
one
and
we'll
do
81
together,
just
do
the
one
motion.
If
we
could,
you
have
a
question
comment.
A
Motion
by
representative
heart
seconded
by
co-chair
cook,
all's
in
favor
of
the
motion
Lodi
all
opposed
vote.
No
again,
please
call
the
row.
W
Know
again
we're
dipping
into
the
education
system
and
we
have
a
number
of
already
stop
Gap
measures
that
are
supposed
to
be
used
to
help
educate,
educate
our
children
and
also
assist
our
teachers
in
terms
of
teaching
our
students
but
I'm
continually
seeing
programs
that
we're
wanting
to
add
and
add
an
ad
but
but
I
still
see
the
numbers
that
aren't
moving
so
I
think
I
think
we've
got
some
basic
issues.
Some
basic
flaws
in
our
education
system
that
we're
not
addressing
but
I
continually
see
us
adding
to
so.
W
A
A
A
Vote
is
three
to
three,
so
it's
neither
approved
or
disapproved
so
it'll
go
to
finance
for
a
final
determination.
A
We
could
let's
move
on
to
contract
81
on
the
routine
MOA
pink
list
attention
software.
If
you
have
a
question.
K
Chairman
looking
here
in
the
contract
terms
here
under
goals
and
deliverables,
I'm
going
to
start
there,
it
says
we're
having
two
multi-session
learning
collaboratives
in
areas
of
the
state
designated
by
KDE.
Is
this
it's
it's
a
hundred
and
one
thousand
dollar
contract.
So
is
this:
what
are
the
areas
designated?
Are
they
designated
with
a
certain
goal
in
mind,
and-
and
is
this
all
Educators
in
those
areas,
or
is
this
just
kind
of
picking
a
few
here
and
there
of
various
districts.
D
I
Yes
good
morning,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
question
these
are
designed
to
be
regionally
based
so
that
they
would
be
accessible
to
any
school
districts
in
that
region
that
are
interested
in
participating
in
in
the
training.
So
you
know
many
times
we
end
up
providing
training
in
more
of
a
Central
Kentucky
area,
but
we
really
wanted
to
offer
these
trainings
in
areas
that
would
be
more
accessible
to
the
district
regions
of
the
state.
K
I
They
so
we
try
to
spread
the
the
training
opportunities
out
to
include
you
know
a
space
that
would
be
accessible
to
districts
in
the
East
districts
in
the
west.
Districts
have
been
more
centrally
located
Southeast
and
it
is
not
limited
to
districts
that
exist
in
those
regions.
So,
for
example,
if
we
have
a
training
in
February,
that's
in
the
eastern
part
of
the
state,
but
districts
from
the
West
find
that
you
know
the
timing
works
better
for
them
to
participate
in
that.
I
In
that
East
training
they
could
potentially
travel
to
the
east
if
they
wanted
to.
So
we
really
are
just
trying
to
expand
the
opportunities
for
the
districts
to
have
access
to
this
training
if
they
would
like
to
participate
in
it
by
offering
a
variety
of
locations
and
timing
for
the
participation
in
the
learning
collaboratives.
K
Okay,
thank
you.
I'm
gonna
move
to
page
four
of
the
language.
It
says:
they're
gonna,
review
all
Statewide
District
trauma-informed
plans
which
are
required
to
be
developed
by
July
1st
2021.
K
I
Yes,
so
the
existing
legislation
requires
that
all
districts
develop
a
trauma-informed
plan
and
have
it
approved
by
their
local
Boards
of
education,
but
it
does
not
require
them
to
send
those
to
KDE
for
review
or
approval,
or
anything
like
that.
So
this
would
be
something
that
is:
is
voluntary
for
districts
to
submit
to
KDE
and
its
partner
ctac.
I
So
we
hope
that
all
districts
will
submit
their
plans
for
review
so
that
we
can
provide
some
additional
training
and
technical
assistance
on.
You
know
based
on
the
analysis
that
we
see
of
these
plans,
but
since
we
don't
currently
have
the
authority
to
require
their
collection,
that's
why
we
we
have
that
language
in
there
that
about
you
know
which,
which
ones
are
made
Available
To
Us
by
the
districts.
K
Final
question:
it
says
in
here
that
this
is
relating
to
coronavirus,
response
and
support,
but
it
also
talks
about
the
trauma-informed
care
plans
that
were
passed.
I,
think
that
was
like
2019
or
something
like
that
so
I'm
I,
guess
I'm
trying
to
get
to
the
bottom
of.
Is
this
covid
specific
type
training?
Or
is
this
just
general
training
that
we
were
talking
about
before
covid.
I
The
impact
of
covid,
because
we
know
that
you
know
if
communities
lost
some-
you
know
members
of
their
Community
due
to
the
coronavirus
or
the
impact
of
having
to
to
isolate,
or
you
know
be
at
home
for
extended
period
of
times.
That
may
have
caused
some
trauma
that
may
not
have
been
there
before.
So
it's
really
just
trying
to
recognize
the
impact
of
of
the
coronavirus
and
the
response
in
how
that
we
can
be
more
trauma
informed.
I
So,
for
example,
if
if
students
were
you
know
to
develop
some
anxiety
from
having
to
you
know
having
been
in
a
situation
where
they
were
fearful
about
Contracting
covid
or
they,
you
know,
had
a
family
member
that
contracted
covid
and
you
know
suffered
for
a
while,
recognizing
that
that
is
a
potential
traumatic
event
for
that
child
and
how
we
can
expand
our
trauma-informed
responses
to
recognize
that
impact
of
coven.
I
K
W
Thank
you
Mr
chairman
more
of
a
comment,
but
perhaps
you
could
shine
a
little
light
on
or
someone
could
shine
a
little
light
on
this.
My
concern
is
is
the
word:
covet
has
essentially
become
a
buzzword
and
much
of
the
trauma.
W
There's
no
doubt
that
there
were
a
lot
of
folks
that
that
we've
lost
in
any
any
loss
is
a
tragedy.
Any
any
life
loss
is
a
tragedy,
but
my
concern
is
that
much
of
the
trauma
that
we've
that
we're
suffering
is
iatrogenic
it
is.
It
is
self-induced
because
we
have
often
spoken
in
a
way
that
is
really
really
scary
and,
as
a
physician.
W
So
my
concern
and
I
do
support
research,
but
my
concern
is
that
we
are
continually
putting
money
into
projects
that
are
keeping
covid
in
the
public
eye,
especially
for
our
younger
people,
who
really
just
want
to
go
out
and
play
on
the
playgrounds,
but
they're
being
told
that
they
have
to
worry
about
a
lot
of
other
things,
and
so
that
that's
why
I
have
some
concern
about
about
some
of
these
projects.
Thank
you.
Mr,
chair.
A
B
W
I
vote
no,
but
would
like
to
claim
my
vote.
Yes,
please
again.
I
know
this
is
a
it's
a
federal,
it's
federally,
funded
and
I
know
the
money's
out
there,
but
chairman
Meredith.
As
you
said
earlier,
we
we
spend
federal
dollars
and
then
we're
concerned
that
if
we
don't
spend
them,
someone
else
will
get
them
and
I'm,
not
sure
that
that's
a
reason
to
spend
them.
Thank
you.
J
A
No,
the
vote
is
three
to
three,
so
the
contract
will
advance
on
to
a
finance
cabinet.
A
K
I
hope
this
maybe
a
last
month
or
two
and
some
other
districts,
and
we
talked
about
probably
more
of
these
and
so
right
now
we're
in
Jefferson
County,
which
I'm
now
a
Jefferson
County
legislator
as
of
this
year,
but
I
cannot
tell
you
exactly
how
many
schools
do
we
have
in
Jefferson
County?
If
anybody
knows
please
tell
me.
K
Crayons
is
on
the
list
every
year,
but
these
calming
supplies
that's
1600
bucks
and
then
furniture
and
fixtures
for
the
calming
space,
eight
thousand
dollars,
indirect
costs,
total
budget,
ten
thousand
dollars
for
the
whole
district
and
I
can't
believe
that
we're
actually
getting
any
number
of
pieces
of
furniture
for
eight
thousand
dollars
to
fill
all
these
schools
in
Jefferson
County.
So
what
exactly
are
we
spending
on?
Are
we
only
making
one
school
a
common
space
school
and
everyone
else
is
Regular
People.
Y
As
far
as
the
grant
for
Jefferson
County,
it
is
for
one
School
Crosby
middle
school.
We
had
applications
for
schools
to
apply
and
they
were
the
winners
out
of
the
region,
and
so
so
that
ten
thousand
dollars
is
for
one
school
for
a
calming
space
that
they
applied
for.
D
Y
K
Sr2
is
a
lot
of
money
and
ten
thousand
dollars
per
region
doesn't
sound
like
very
much
so
this
goes
back
to
the
conversation
we
had
the
last
time
about
this.
Are
we
all
in
or
are
we
all
out
and
where
are
we,
how?
How
is
this
really
gonna
be
helping
it's
a
drop
in
the
bucket
compared
to
all
of
the
schools,
but
on
the
other
hand,
are
there
not
places
where
kids
can
do
coloring
crayons
anyway,
and
why
are
middle
schoolers
doing
color
crayons?
Y
And
the
calming
spaces
allow
them
different
ways
to
deal
with
stress,
daily
functioning
and
it's
offering
to
all
students,
not
just
certain
students
who
have
been
through
trauma.
All
students
are
available
to
use
whatever
the
school
has
applied,
for
we
do
have
a
lot
of
schools
in
Kentucky
who
are
already
implementing
this
I
know
my
school
I
just
came
out
of
a
year
ago.
We've
been
doing
it
for
almost
five
years
now,
and
so
ultimately,
it's
to
help
our
students
learn
to
self-manage.
Y
X
And
what
Miss
Bushman
is
getting
is
that
schools
are
instituting
developing
common
rooms
beyond
the
Esther
II
grants,
the
federal
money
that's
out
there
and
as
far
as
KDE,
we
had
a
bucket
of
money
in
Regional
School
schools
in
certain
regions
could
apply
for
those
certain
certain
grants.
I
I
want
to
briefly
mention
this,
because
I
think
I'll
be
remiss.
Senator
Douglas
mentioned
that
there
is
a
missing
piece
here,
as
we
see
our
schools
not
reaching
the
level
of
proficiency
that
we
want
in
the
missing
piece.
Y
K
K
This
is
the
whole
thing
is
always
so
complicated
because
you
have
a
lot
of
students
that
they
are
learning
while
they're
doing
their
gel
fidgeting,
and
that
may
be
the
only
way
that
you
can
actually
keep
them
seated
long
enough
to
have
them
learn
anything
I
had
a
student
like
that
very
is
my
very
first
student
ever
in
my
10-year
teaching
time
and
I
was
shocked,
but
he
was
not
a
toy
learner
and
anyway
we
got
through
it.
K
It
was
funny
because
he
apologized
years
later,
when
I
saw
him
in
high
school
I'm,
so
sorry
Miss,
Adrian
for
being
the
worst
kid
ever,
but
I
do
think
there
are
a
lot
of
issues
going
on
they're,
not
necessarily
something
a
school
is
ever
going
to
be
able
to
solve
I
just
think,
perhaps
instead
of
ten
thousand
dollars
in
materials
for
calming
spaces,
it's
really
more
about
being
able
to
clear
the
field
for
teachers
to
be
able
to
actually
have
some
level
of
one-on-one
connection
with
those
students
to
figure
out
what
is
the
best
thing
for
those
students
instead
of
having
these
mammoth
programs
that
we
hope
solves
a
problem
which,
frankly,
really
won't
solve
anything
I
mean
kids
walking
out
of
the
classroom
on
their
own
decision
is
not
any
kind
of
discipline
and
I
firmly
believe
you
have
to
have
a
very
structured
and
rigorous
discipline
for
young
children,
especially
young
ones,
but
I
mean,
as
you
get
older.
K
You
should
have
that,
and
that
is
I'm
not
seeing.
That
and
self-managing
is
the
absolute
opposite
of
rigorous
discipline.
I,
don't
see
anybody
in
military
boot
camps
self-managing,
it
just
doesn't
happen.
If
you
need
kids
in
a
certain
place
in
their
lives
at
that
point,
in
time
like
we
are
losing
our
Edge,
when
we
do
not
have
that
level
of
discipline
at
those
younger
ages
and
I,
really
don't
it
has
nothing
to
do
with
their
background
or
trauma
or
nothing
like
that.
It's
all
about
brain
development
and
I'm
very
concerned.
K
K
The
way
they
need
to
go
I'm
not
going
to
sit
here
and
give
a
pedagogy
class
any
further,
but
I'm
just
saying
common
spaces
for
young
children
seems
to
me
going
the
opposite
direction
of
where
we
really
need
to
be
so
it's
ten
thousand
dollars,
but
it's
ten
thousand
dollars
I
think
is
misguided
at
the
end
of
the
day,
and
so
that's
why
I'm
sitting
here
pulling
these
things
and
having
these
conversations
and
that's
really
all
I
have
thank
you.
Y
I
will
add
in
the
comments
grants
when
the
schools
are
applied.
There
is
a
teacher
component.
There's
a
community
engagement
student
voice,
so
teachers
are
being
trained
in
how
to
manage
this
within
their
classrooms.
Whether
it's
a
cart,
it's
a
room,
it's
a
space,
so
they
are
being
almost
retrained
of
what
our
students
look
like
in
our
schools
right
now,
because
you're
exactly
right,
there
is
some
disciplined
component
that
is
separate
from
a
self-management
but
I
know
from
The
Young
students
coming
out.
Y
They
they
need
to
be
taught
how
to
manage
because
they
are
coming
to
school,
unsafe,
violent.
They
don't
have
work
stamina
to
be
able
to
last
throughout
the
day,
take
a
test,
so
this
essentially
helps
them
to
learn
those
skills
at
a
young
age
and
as
they
build
or
grow
older
less
at
risk,
behaviors,
less
mental
health
issues.
So
so
there's
a
lot
of
ultimate
behind
the
scenes
things
happening.
Besides
just
buying
items
for
a
room
and.
X
K
Appreciate
all
that
background,
it's
a
lot
for
ten
thousand
dollars
in
Jefferson
County,
but
I
again,
I
really
think
the
words
spoken
don't
meet
the
actions
taken
because
you
know
I
hear
things
like.
We
want
to
really
help
students,
succeed
and
learn
those
skills
and
the
skills
I
just
mentioned
were
not
having
to
resort
to
calming
space.
So
providing
a
calming
space
kind
of
goes
flies
in
the
face
of
setting
those
type
things.
I'm,
not
sure
how
you
train
teachers,
teachers
do
know
their
students.
K
Teachers
need
perhaps
to
have
some
support
around
how
to
break
out
past
walls
of
harder
things.
They've
not
had
to
deal
with
in
professional
development
in
certain
ways
helps
us
to
know
more
about
the
world.
We
live
in
and
explain
what
we're
seeing,
but
when
we
say
teach
teachers
what
they
need
to
do
with
kids
teachers
or
with
those
kids
all
the
time
and
a
lot
of
times
they
do
kind
of
know
what
needs
to
happen.
It's
just.
They
can't
get
it
to
happen.
So
anyway,
I
appreciate
the
effort,
certainly,
hopefully
in
the
future.
A
I
just
want
to
Echo
some
of
Senator
Southwest
some
sentiments
here.
I
think
we
spoke
last
time
about
what
I
consider
the
most
disturbing
statistic.
I've
heard
since
I've
been
in
Frankfurt
since
2017.,
and
that's
a
human
right
development,
when
three
Physicians
from
UK
told
us
that
in
1900
the
brain
was
fully
developed
18
years
of
age
today,
it's
25
years
plus
and
I
think
the
issue
is
one.
A
Why
aren't
we
researching
this
in
more
detail,
because
this
is
a
tremendous
problem
for
society,
but,
secondly,
I
think
it's
quite
obvious
that
part
of
the
problem
is
kids
have
no
longer
have
accountability
for
their
actions.
It's
sort
of
like
Senator
Douglas
is
comment
about
covid
I.
Think
mental
health
needs
is
too
broad
in
its
application
that
any
kid
who
who
acts
up
or
has
a
behavioral
issue
now
it's.
A
It's
a
strange
Dynamic
to
ever
had
but
I
think
we're
making
a
terrible,
terrible
mistake
with
our
young
people
by
not
raising
the
intellectual
level
of
expectations
when
it
comes
to
behavior
I'm.
A
Sorry,
we
can
do
this
all
day
long,
but
the
reality
is
that
life
is
tough,
always
will
be
and
always
has
been,
and
if
we're
not
allowing
them
the
opportunity
to
to
learn
how
to
adjust
for
that,
I'm,
not
sure
that
we're
going
to
see
any
Improvement
in
the
area
of
human,
brain
development
and
I
think
we'll
just
heading
down
the
wrong
path.
But
don't
want
to
blame
at
this
point.
If
any
of
the
comments
questions,
if
not
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
disapprove
or
we'll
just
move
on.
A
Since
this
contract
is
to
dice
the
lack
of
motion,
we'll
just
send
it
on
to
finance
without
the
approval
or
disapproval,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
believe,
that's
all
for
you,
folks,
appreciate
you
being
with
us
this
morning
as
always,
and
I
always
enjoy
seeing
you
but
hope,
I,
don't
see
you
in
January.
G
A
A
Appreciate
you
being
here
this
morning,
the
reason
I
pulled
this
contract
is
certainly
understand.
The
need
for.
A
Performance
indicators
and
then
determining
unmet
treatment
needs,
but
what
caught
my
attention
is?
We
actually
have
a
statute
that
requires
the
Department
of
Medicaid
to
give
us
a
similar
report.
I,
don't
know
if
we're
talking
about
a
different
population,
but
it's
overlapping
population
and
they're
supposed
to
provide
us
a
report.
Every
year
with
the
efficiency
and
efficacy
of
our
substance,
abuse
program
and
they've
told
me
they
can't
produce
that
report.
G
Well,
this
is
a
result
of
the
budget
Bill.
There
was
a
million
dollar
appropriation
to
the
justice
and
Public
Safety
cabinet
in
the
budget
bill
to
evaluate
the
treatment
programs
that
the
Justice
cabinet
funds.
So
within
office
of
drug
control
policies
budget
we
were
required
to
Grant
funds
for
Community,
Mental,
Health,
Centers,
we're
retired,
to
Grant
funds
for
neonatal
abstinence,
centers
policies
that
take
care
of
pregnant
and
parenting,
women
with
an
opioid
use
disorder
and,
finally,
the
Department
of
Corrections.
G
We
fund
treatment
programs
within
23
jails,
as
well
as
the
prisons
themselves,
so
the
University
of
Kentucky
Center
for
drug
and
alcohol
research
already
does
some
evaluation
of
those
programs.
We
have
the
CJ
K
Tosh,
which
is
the
criminal
justice,
Kentucky
outcome
study
and
they
also
evaluate
the
Community
Mental
Health
Centers,
the
Kentucky
treatment
outcome
study.
G
So
I
viewed
this
as
an
opportunity
to
expand
on
what
we
already
have
and
learn
more
about
where
we're
missing
Mark.
What
are
some
of
the
reasons
people
drop
out
of
treatment
of
some
of
those
issues?
The
appropriation
was
for
a
billion
dollars,
but
we
were
able
to
do
this
for
under
this
contract.
For
297
000
and
change
well,.
A
Thank
you
certainly
appreciate
that
and
I
welcome
the
research
and
information
I'm
just
curious
as
to
why
Medicaid
can't
provide
me
with
that
kind
of
report,
but
you
folks
are
capable
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
difference
in
the
these
Dynamics
are.
I.
Think
it's
sorely
needed
and
I'm
not
sure
how
University
Kentucky
research
approaches
this,
and
can
you
give
me
some
background
as
what
data
they're
working
from
or
it's.
G
So
the
Community
Middle
Health
Centers
provide
data
up
on
intake
of
a
patient,
same
thing
with
Department
Corrections
staff
and
and
the
other
side.
They
provide
that
that
information
already
to
certainly
for
drug
and
alcohol
research,
and
then
they
do
an
outcome
study
where
they
follow
up
with
patients
to
see
how
they're
doing
a
year
later
after
they
receive
those
services.
G
A
G
The
longer
term
residential
programs
seem
to
have
the
most
success,
but
you
know
that's
a
commitment
oftentimes
of
six
eight
nine
months.
Yes,.
A
Does
this
study
include
the
the
cost
of
comparative
programs?
No.
G
A
Doing
well,
just
for
the
committee's
information,
I've
understood
from
the
information
that
I've
received
that
that
long-term
programs
in
total
really
are
more
cost
effective
than
the
short-term
programs,
because
of
recidivism
rate
predominantly,
and
until
you
change
the
social
structure
of
some
of
these
things,
they're
not
very
effective,
but
I
think
that's
something
we
really
need
to
ratchet
down
on
and
figure
out
truly.
Where
is
the
most
effective
means
of
treatment?
Yeah.
G
P
A
W
F
A
J
Z
Yet
these
projects
were
essential
to
the
communities
and
so
due
to
the
tight
time
frame
regarding
the
expenditure
and
getting
the
projects
completed
with
it
from
from
HUD.
Is
these
are
hot
funds
with
the
cdbg
coveted
funds,
we
did
find
it
necessary
to
increase
those
Grant
Awards
in
order
to
get
them
moving
and
services
being
provided
as
quickly
as
possible
and
to
meet
that
expenditure
deadline
from
HUD.
A
A
Z
No,
no,
no,
not
to
a
no
not
to
expedite
just
to
pay
a
premium
expedite
just
you
know
trying
to
move
them
along
in
a
timely
manner
and
meeting
the
expenditure
deadlines
that
we
have
with
HUD.
You.
Z
I
think
the
increases
are
just
trying
to
get
consistent
bidding.
You
know
we
did
review
the
procurement
for
each
of
these
contracts
and
we
wanted
to
ensure
that
we
got
them
along.
We
reviewed
the
bids
as
well
as
compared.
You
know
as
compared
to
other
projects.
Z
I
mean
I'm,
not
you
know
what
exactly
the
economic
factors
are.
I,
I,
don't
think
I
mean
I,
don't
know
the
answer.
You
know
I
can't
comment
on
that.
I
guess.
But
you
know
I,
you
know
we
look
at
the
projects
and
what
and
how
they
are
when
they
go
out
to
bid
as
we
review
the
contracts
or
as
we
review
the
procurement.
A
A
So
some
thousand
my
apologies,
so
we're
not
excuse
but
we're
not
adding
additional
funding.
So
to
speak.
It's
just
the
original
estimate
was
2.1
million,
but
when
the
projects
were
bid,
the
successful
bidder
was
365
thousand
dollars
higher
than
the
anticipated
contract.
H
A
And
the
same
with
with
Pike
County,
that
is,
that
is
correct.
Okay!
Well
again,
it's
not
a
criticism
other
than
intending
the
projects;
they
certainly
are
needed
and
we
certainly
support
them
of
them,
but
I
think
coach,
Eric
and
I
both
want
to
just
bring
to
light
that
we
are
dealing
with
extreme
inflationary
issues.
J
J
A
C
B
A
A
A
A
K
I
wanted
I
had
kind
of
have
two
areas
of
questions.
One
is
this
kind
of
the
scope
of
this.
It's
we're
eliminating
the
12-hour
language
and
it
looks
like
to
me
I'm
only
guessing,
though
that's
why
I
kind
of
want
to
get
what
is
going
on
and
we're
getting
rid
of.
You
know
specific
12-hour
one
hour
and
so
forth
and
talking
about
I
think
Apprenticeship
Training.
So
is
this
the
curriculum
for
an
apprenticeship?
K
K
P
P
K
Okay,
thank
you.
I
am
looking
forward
to
having
more
apprenticeship
programs,
so
I
like
that.
So
here's
the
other
piece
that
I'm
kind
of
wondering
about
sure.
On
page
three.
K
Q
P
That
I
don't
know
that
sitting
here
today.
That's
something
I'm,
certainly
happy
to
provide
to
you.
I,
do
know
that
this
communication
was
sent
out
to
those
approved
agencies
to
see
if
there
was
anyone
who
could
provide
these.
This
expanded
curriculum
and
the
the
company
that
the
501c3
entity
that
we
partnered
with
for
the
original
was
the
only
one
who
responded
so
that
they
could.
K
P
The
the
initial
contract
was
awarded
pursuant
to
an
RFP,
and
the
agency
could
modify
that
contract
without
going
through
the
competitive
bid
process,
but
they
did
take
that
step
to
reach
out
and
see
who
was
out
there
that
could
provide
these
Services.
It's
just
so
happened.
It
was
this
organization
and
as
a
501c3
entity,
they
could
enter
into
a
memorandum
of
agreement
with
them
without
even
going
through
the
competitive
bidding
process,
but
for
this
specific
one
they
reached
out
identified.
K
K
Though,
okay
I'm,
it's
kind
of
the
way,
this
whole
thing
is
swirling
around
at
this
point
is,
it
seems,
like
there
are
approved
training
agencies
out
there
and
at
least
one
of
them.
We
currently
have
a
contract
with
for
training,
so
I
get
it
kind
of
makes
sense
to
have
them,
expand
the
training
but
sending
out
random
emails
to
people
and
then
well,
one
responded
and
there
are
501c3
which
actually
makes
me
more
worried,
not
less,
because
I
know
how
these
501c3s
work.
I
mean
the
board.
K
Members
are
all
the
same
people
that
work
in
these
offices
or
the
brother-in-laws.
You
know
so
then
you're
sitting
here
like
well
now,
what's
going
on
and
it's
become
shell
games,
but
I'm
very
excited
about
the
actual
trading
itself.
So
I'm,
just
trying
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
this
process
sounds
a
little
sketchy
for
contract
review
meeting,
but
I
don't
hope.
Nothing
else
is
going
on,
but
I
just
was
trying
to
get
a
little
more
clarity
around
kind
of
the
procedures.
Sure.
P
J
A
A
A
Christmas,
you
would
please
take
a
moment
to
review
items
10
through
12
on
your
agenda.
These
are
exemption
requests
and
all
of
them
fall
in
the
same
category
that
it's
expensive
beyond
the
biennial.
Is
there
a
motion
to
prove
motion
by
co-chair
cook
Mr?
Second,
second,
by
representative
Hart
all
is
favorable.
I
always
folks
will
know.
Kim
scalaro.
A
Aye
motion
carries
before
we
adjourn.
Please
allow
me
to
exercise
in
the
prerogative
of
the
chair.
Just
take
a
few
minutes
to
thank
I
guess
we
call
our
retiring
members
from
this
committee.
Center
Southworth,
Eric
cook,
you
know
with
the
elections
and
new
people
coming
on
board.
There's
always
changes
to
our
committee
structures,
but
I
personally
want
to
thank
each
of
you
for
the
contribution
you
made.
This
hope
it's
been
a
great
experience
for
you
and
I
think
anybody
who
comes
on
here.
A
It's
a
learning,
experience
and
I
always
encourage
people's
participation,
but
I
think
you
folks
have
embraced
the
responsibilities
this
job
better
than
any
committee
members
we've
had
in
the
past.
I
commend
you
for
that
and
wish
you
the
best
going
forward
and
tell
you
we
will
miss
you
from
this
committee,
but
on
a
good
note.
Representative
heart
will
assume
the
chair
in
January,
so
he
will
be
coach
here,
not
sure
who
the
other
committee
members
will
be
at
this
time,
other
than
I.