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Administrative Policies Committee meeting from April 11, 2019. For the full meeting agenda visit http://bit.ly/2m4dQGo
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E
Thank
You
mr.
chair
and
thanks
to
staff
for
the
report
and
I
guess
I'm
in
favor
of
the
proposal
I
was
put
together
by
staff
and
what
I
would
like
to
see
is
more
data
along
the
lines
of
a
five-year
comparison
as
to
how
the
city
has
been
dealing
with
this
or
possibly
longer
just
as
a
way
of
picking
up
the
trends
that
we're
seeing
so
you're.
E
If
there's
been
an
examination
of
that
done,
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
differences
as
well,
but
you
may
have
a
city
that's
similar
size,
but
with
a
very
different
makeup
of
say
properties,
but
in
industry
and
so
forth.
So
it
is
gonna
vary,
but
I
think
it
might
be
interesting
to
take
a
good
look
at
that.
So
I
would
respectfully
request
that.
E
C
Thank
you.
So
the
Kirk
has
taken
down
those
comments
as
general
comments
about
this
procedure.
The
specifics
are
under
business,
9a,
you'll,
see
and
I'm,
and
and
when
that
comes
up
in
the
agenda,
staff
will
introduce
the
item
as
the
normally
do.
There's
a
recommendation.
There
you'll
see
that
there's
there's
some
organizations
affected
by
this
particular
recommendation
and-
and
this
would
be
their
specific
time
to
speak
to
that
recommendation,
should
they
want
to?
Does
anyone
else
wish
to
speak?
C
Okay,
so
well,
I
am
officially
closing
the
public
meeting
section,
so
that
is
okay.
So
that's
that's
done
so
now
we
go
back
to
the
regular
meetings.
We
need
to
call
it
to
order
which
I've
done
and
we
approve
the
agenda.
There
is
an
addendum.
It
is
correspondence
from
a
miss
Bailey
in
the
Frontenac
Heritage
Foundation
about
the
Capitol
place,
illumination
policy
review.
It
should
be
on
your
desks,
so
I
need
a
mover
and
a
seconder
for
the
agenda
moved
by
Councillor
Hill
seconded
by
Councillor
Chappell.
So
we've
got
the
addendum.
C
Seeing
none
I?
We
will
vote
on
the
approval
of
the
agenda
with
the
addendum
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that
carries
now.
We
have
the
minutes
from
our
last
meeting,
so
this
was
November
8
2018,
so
last
council
needs
moved
by
someone
that
was
member
of
that
committee.
I
believe
that's
just
councillor
Holland,
so
moved
by
councillor
Holland
for
a
second
by
anyone
seconded
by
councillor
McClaren.
Now
those
meeting
minutes
we're
yummy.
C
F
C
C
There
are
no
delegations
or
briefings
no
briefings
so
business
9a.
So
now
we're
back
to
the
item
that
the
public
meeting
was
for.
So
that's
the
tax
write-offs
pursuant
to
the
municipal
act
and
you'll,
see
the
recommendation
door
9a
and
maybe
staff
could
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
about
this.
Go
ahead.
Treasurer
Kennedy
thank.
D
D
Think
if
I'm
interpreting
the
question
right,
he
was
looking
more
around
in
comparison
to
others
in
terms
of
the
diligence
that
we're
doing
in
terms
of
tax
collection,
which
is
sort
of
the
other
side
of
the
write-offs,
and
that
is
reported
on
the
annual
audited
financial
statements
every
year
and
we
tend
to
look
at
it
in
comparison
to
others.
As
we
look
at
the
amount
uncollected
as
a
percentage
of
our
tax
levy,
that's
kind
of
the
key
performance
indicator
that
municipalities
use,
so
I.
D
Don't
have
those
numbers
in
front
of
me,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
we
are
one
of
the
lowest
in
our
Eastern
Ontario,
comparators
and
in
terms
of
sort
of
an
urban
area
where
we're
quite
low
I
think
the
last
time
I
looked
at.
It
was
probably
around
four
or
five
percent
of
outstanding
as
a
percentage
of
our
levy
in
terms
of
the
write
offs
themselves
in
terms
of
comparisons.
It's
a
little
more
difficult
to
compare,
because
this
report
is
property
specific,
so
it
relates
to
write-offs.
It's
not
people
not
paying
the
taxes.
D
It
relates
more
to
things
like
where
they're
it's
a
change
in
the
property
class
that
that
impact
has
made
or
if
a
building's,
been
destroyed
or
damaged
by
fire.
Then
EMPAC
is
reducing
the
assessment
on
that
or,
if
there's
been
a
clerical
error
on
the
assessment
role
that
EMPAC
is
made,
and
then
there's
and
they're
changing
that.
So
it's
not
something
that's
as
easy
to
compare
across
properties.
It
really
just
depends
on
the
the
activities
of
impact
and
what's
happening
with
those
specific
projects
or
this
properties.
C
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C
So
that's
the
recommendation.
It's
been
moved
and
seconded
any
debate,
seeing
none.
We
will
call
the
vote
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that
carries
unanimously.
Thank
you.
That's
nine!
A
we're
now
moved
to
nine
B,
which
is
the
2019
tax
ratios
and
tax
capping
parameters.
There's
a
report
and
there's
also
a
recommendation.
I
look
to
staff
to
introduce
this
one.
D
You
through
you,
mr.
chair,
so
this
report
has
a
couple
of
recommendations,
two
things
that
the
purpose
of
this
report
is
before
you
tonight.
First
of
all,
recommending
setting
the
property
class
tax
ratios
and
then
the
parent,
as
well
as
the
parameters
for
the
property
tax,
capping
program
for
2019,
so
the
property
class
tax
ratios
are
used
to
distribute
the
tax
burden
across
each
of
the
property
classes
and
then
the
tax
capping
program,
which
is
specifically
for
the
commercial,
industrial
and
multi
residential
properties.
D
The
recommendations
you'll
see
here
are
for
us
to
use
whatever
options
we
have
to
actually
get
out
of
the
capping
program
and
for
those
counselors
that
look
to
this
in
the
past,
you'll
recall
that
we
have.
We
have
been
making
significant
progress
in
terms
of
getting
out
of
the
capping
program,
which
means
getting
all
of
these
properties
to
a
current
value
assessment
situation.
So
I'll
come
back
to
that
in
a
moment.
D
So,
in
terms
of
the
property
class
tax
ratios,
there
are
a
couple
of
policy
directions
that
are
currently
in
play
with
respect
to
the
the
tax
ratios.
First
of
all,
that
the
any
ratios
that
we
have
are
established
not
to
exceed
the
provincial
levy
restriction
threshold
for
any
class,
which
basically
means
we
don't
have
a
limitation
on
being
able
to
pass
budget
increases
to
any
specific
property
class.
So
that's
a
policy
we
have
in
place
now
that
we
don't
want
to
exceed
that
threshold
so
that
we
don't
have
that
limitation.
D
The
second
one
that's
in
play
is
the
farm
property
class
ratio,
and
you
may
recall,
in
the
past,
within
our
four
assessment
period,
that
the
farm
class
assessment
went
up
significantly
I
believe
it
was
about
80%
average
overall
of
their
assessment,
and
so
there
is
a
policy
right
now
in
play
that
we
would
reduce
that
ratio
to
try
to
offset
some
of
that
assessment
increase
over
the
four-year
assessment
period.
So
it
was
at
0.25.
D
Residential
is
always
one.
Farm
classes
is
a
quarter
of
that
and
over
the
four
years,
we're
looking
at
bringing
it
down
to
point
two
so
for
2019
we're
recommending
that
that
would
be
at
point
two
one
to
five
for
the
farm
tax.
So
in
terms
of
a
couple
of
things
that
we've
got
with
respect
to
the
policies,
the
multi
residential
property
tax
class-
and
this
is
similar
to
what
we
did
last
year
so
again,
this
was
another
class
that
saw
a
significant
increase
in
their
average
assessment.
D
D
The
province
actually
had
reduced
the
multi
residential
tax
ratio
down
to
two
percent
or
two
two
point:
two
point:
zero
and
last
year
we
then
moved
it
down
to
one
point:
nine:
to
try
to
offset
some
of
this
assessment
increase
it's
important
to
note
the
implications
of
this
on
the
rental
market,
affordability,
because
tax
increases
can
be
passed
on
to
renters
within
the
multi-residential.
So,
as
a
result
of
that,
we
are
recommending
that
we
continue
this
year
to
offset
that
assessment
increase
by
bringing
the
tax
ratio
down
to
1.8.
D
D
But
I
do
want
to
point
out
on
page
its
my
page
8
of
the
report,
its
Table
four
of
the
report,
and
this
is
normally
a
table
that
will
come
back
to
you
when
we
bring
the
final
tax
rates
to
council,
but
it
just
gives
you
an
idea
of
the
average
residential
tax
increase
or
the
effect
of
these
policies.
So
you'll
see
on
that
table.
D
The
municipal
budget
increase
that
was
approved
by
council
at
budget
time
of
two
and
a
half
percent,
and
then
you'll
see
the
various
shifts
that
are
happening
just
for
the
average
residential
tax
class
and
you'll
see.
There
is
some
room
there,
because
there
was
a
reassessment
tax
shift
away
from
residential,
primarily
to
the
multi
rezoned.
The
farm
classes
you'll
see
the
effect
of
these
two
tax
shifts
and
the
policies
surrounding
those
with
an
average
tax
increase
for
just
the
municipal
of
two
point,
three
percent.
D
So
we're
actually
sitting
now
at
two
point
three,
and
we
do
anticipate.
We
did
get
the
education
rates
in
a
few
days
ago
and
we're
just
working
through
those
numbers
now.
So
we
do
anticipate
that
that
average
final
tax
increase
for
average
residential
property
will
be
down
below
two
percent.
By
the
time
we
add
the
education
on.
D
So,
as
I
said,
the
the
property
tax
capping
program,
the
commercial
and
industrial
and
multi
residential
properties
are
covered
by
a
mandatory
tax.
Capping
program
that
basically
limited
the
tax
increases
that
could
be
put
towards
these
properties
resulting
from
reassessment,
and
we
continue
here
to
use
the
options
that
the
province
has
given
us
over
the
years
to
try
to
get
people
out
of
these
try
to
get
properties
out
of
these
capping
program
as
quickly
as
we
can,
so
that
all
properties
are
paying
at
their
their
current
value
assessment.
C
One
was
by
the
different
classes
and
the
way
that
they
affect
that
rate
for
the
average
municipal,
so
you'll
see
it
on
table
for
2.5
going
to
2.3,
and
the
second
major
way
is
with
the
education
portion,
which
comes
at
a
different
time,
and
you
said
verbally,
it's
not
in
this
table
that
that
would
mean
that
the
this.
This
is
the
residential
rate.
The
2.3.
Yes,.
D
C
H
C
I
Of
course
I
can
thank
you
Thank
You
chair,
so
you
with
regards
to
commercial
property
taxes,
the
ratio
that
we
have
I
think
is
one
point
for
me
here.
One
point:
nine
eight.
What
was
it
last
year
and
I'm
just
would
like
to
see
how
the
trend
looks
going
forward
if
it's
been
increasing,
because
you
know
I
have
spoken
to
even
though
I
don't
reside
in
the
downtown
core.
I
I
have
spoken
to
some
property
owners
in
downtown
core
and
we
have
a
great
robust
business
section,
but
the
problem
I'm
finding
is
that
if
they
don't
actually
own
the
building
outright,
they
would
never
be
able
to
afford
to
pay
rent
and
pay
taxes
and
move
in
and
open
a
business.
That's
that's
the
general
tone
that
I
get
so
I'm
just
wondering
how
the
business
commercial
tax
rate
has
has
changed
over
the
last
year
two
years
or
where
you
forecasted
to
go
in
the
next
year.
F
But
through
you,
your
honor,
the
units
will
levy
restriction.
Threshold
for
the
commercial
class
is
at
one
point,
nine
eight,
and
we
have
been
at
that
tax
ratio
for
the
last
number
of
years.
We
have
not
lowered
it
beyond
there,
we
can
lower
it.
We
cannot
increase
it
and
still
pass
along
full
budget
increases.
If
we
were
to
raise
it
and
if
we
do
lower
it,
then
we
cannot
raise
it
back
up
again
to
the
one
point:
nine,
eight
or
above
anything,
that
we
lower
it
down
to
until
we
get
below
one
point
one.
C
C
F
Yes,
certainly
the
property
assessment
is
what
is
driving
the
tax
bill
that,
along
with
the
tax
ratio
that
we
have
set
for
the
commercial
class,
so
they
do
have
the
avenue
to
appeal
their
assessment
if
they
feel
it
is
incorrect,
and
that
would
be
the
way
that
they
would
be
able
to
get
a
really
from
it.
If
they
do
feel
that
their
assessment
is
incorrect.
E
Go
ahead,
Thank
You
mr.
chair
for
the
report
and
the
explanation,
so
I've
got
three
questions.
First,
one
is
I
notice
that
you
have
section
B,
which
is
the
new
multi
residential
property
tax.
Then
you
have
section
a
the
residential
property
tax.
Then
you
have
the
multi
residential
property
tax
as
well
right,
so
those
are
all
different.
So
what
I'm
wondering
is?
E
How
long
are
the
new
multi
residential
property
properties
at
the
1.00
rate,
and
how
did
they
move
gradually
into
the
multi
residential
property
class
rate,
which
is
at
one
point
Edel
so
score
difference
there?
So
is
there
a
set
period
and
does
it
move
on
a
linear
slope
upwards
to
the
one
point?
Eight?
E
So
that's
the
first
question
second
question
is:
is
there
anything
which
could
be
cost
as
to
encourage
more
new
residential
property
being
developed
in
Kingston
as
a
way
of
increasing
the
housing
supply
and
fitting
in
with
the
goal
of
the
mayor's
Task
Force
on
housing,
which
is
just
getting
started
now
and
the
goal
of
that
the
mayor
set
with
that
is
to
increase
the
supply
of
housing
as
a
way
of
dealing
with
our
variable?
They
can
see
rate,
which
has
been
a
historic
problem
in
Kingston,
so
is
Rankin.
E
C
Thank
you,
I
looked
to
other
members
of
the
public.
I
just
want
to
remind
members
of
the
public
that
you
may
have
thoughts
or
questions
brought
up
by
the
report,
but
if
it's
not
what
the
report
deals
with
like
the
housing
crisis,
for
example,
it's
not
that
could
those
questions
are
not
in
order.
Unfortunately,
at
this,
because
we
have
to
keep
our
comments
to
the
to
the
report
itself,
so,
although
housing
prices
are
related
to
the
tax
rate,
this
particular
report
is
about
changing
the
ratios
and
not
about
addressing
the
housing
crisis
anyway.
C
D
You
through
your
mystery,
so
the
first
question
on
the
new
multi
residential
property
class.
So
a
property
in
that
class
is
there
for
35
years
and
after
that,
35
year
period
they
will
go
into
the
multi
residential
class.
At
this
point
there
is
no
phasing
in
of
that.
So
if,
if
we
were
hitting
35
years
today,
they
would
be
going
from
a
ratio
of
1
to
a
ratio
of
1
point.
D
Some
of
what's
happened
with
the
multi-residential
ratios
over
the
last
few
years,
particularly
what
the
province
did
a
couple
of
years
ago
that
was
taken
into
account
and
the
province
I
know
is
continuing
to
review
this
class.
So
that
was
certainly
one
of
the
factors
that
was
considered
and
if
I
had
to
guess,
I
would
I
would
not
be
surprised
if
we
saw
the
province
continue
in
the
future
to
do
initiatives
that
would
bring
that
down
so
that
when
we
do
start
to
hit
that
35-year
mark
there
won't
be
a
big
difference.
D
So
I
know
that's
certainly
something
that
they
that
they
are
taking
into
account
to
try
to
bring
them
back
together
in
terms
of
the
and
and
I
recognize
this
isn't
about
supply
of
housing,
but
again
I
think
I
can
say
that
also
has
been
a
factor
in
terms
of
the
provincial
guidelines,
the
last
couple
of
years
around
the
multi-residential
rate
to
get
to
bring
that
down
the
final
question
on
the
education
aspects
of
the
Ontario
budget.
So
the
the
province
sets
the
education
rates
that
go
on
to
our
tax
bill.
D
So
will
it
have
an
effect
I,
don't
know,
there
is
certainly
some
investment
we
heard
in
the
budget
that's
going
into
education
and
that
would
would
play
into
those
rates.
What
I
can
say
is
we
haven't
seen
a
lot
of
increase
in
the
education
rates
the
last
few
years
and
that's
what's
providing
us
with
some
of
the
room
to
bring
that
tax
rate
down
below
that
the
the
two
and
a
half
percent.
C
J
C
C
That
the
following
recommendation
be
approved
and
forwarded
to
Council
on
May,
8th
2019
for
consideration
that
council
approved
the
2019
tax
ratios
as
follows:
a
the
residential
property
class.
We
said
at
one
point:
zero
be
the
new
multi
residential
property
class.
We
said
at
one
point:
zero
see
the
multi
residential
property
tax
property
class
be
set
at
one
point:
eight,
the
the
commercial
property
class
be
set
at
one
point:
nine
eight,
the
industrial
property
class
be
set
at
two
point:
six:
three
F
the
pipeline
property.
C
He
said
at
one
point:
1,
7
to
8
G
the
firm
property
class
be
set
at
zero
point,
2
1
to
5
and
H
the
managed
forest
forests
property
class
be
set
at
0.25.
That's
the
first
Clause
there's
two
other
causes
that
a
bylaw
be
presented
for
all
three
readings
in
order
to
establish
the
2019
tax
ratios
and
that
the
2019
property
tax,
capping
programs
utilize
all
the
options
available.
C
That
will
move
properties
as
quickly
as
possible
to
the
current
value
assessment
CVA
tax
and
that
the
funding
for
cap
properties
be
provided
from
within
each
respective
tax
class.
There
is
another
clause
that
up
by
law
and
report
establishing
the
capping
options
used,
decreased
percentage
and
actual
capital
results
will
be
presented
for
council
approval
after
final
property
tax
bills
are
calculated
and
processed.
That's
the
recommendation.
C
C
So
I
found
myself
in
a
bind
when
people
brought
up
taxes,
I
I
didn't
know
what
to
say,
because
basically
the
entire
population
of
the
city
does
not
understand
how
taxes
work.
That's
basically
it
in
a
nutshell.
So
maybe
I
could
ask
the
CEO
what
kinds
of
things
we
might
do.
I
know
it's
early
days
but
to
improve
the
education
portion
of
how
taxes
work
so
that
we,
the
elected
representatives
that
deal
with
these
questions,
have
more
solid
footing
for
addressing
their
concerns.
H
H
C
Thank
you
know
from
my
own
understanding
of
the
arithmetic
that
if
your
house,
when
you
bought
it,
was
worth
two
hundred
thousand
and
whatever
the
tax
rate
was
and
then
it
goes
up
by
say
five
percent
just
use
round
numbers.
You
know,
and
anybody
could
figure
out
very
quickly-
the
territorial
thousand
plus
five
percent
right
then.
But
it's
not
that
simple,
because
the
impact
the
impact
will
reassess
your
property
value
and
property
values
can
change
quickly
so
especially
where
I
live.
C
Probably
the
average
property
value
where
I
live
of
a
home
is
close
to
a
million
dollars.
So
if
you
bought
even
and
you
and
someone
might
have
bought
it
for
two
hundred
thousand,
but
it's
now
30
years
later,
and
it's
worth
a
lot
more,
so
their
tax
bill
has
gone
as
quintupled,
just
based
on
their
impact
alone.
Nothing
to
do
with
city
right,
in
fact
mathematically.
C
If
there
is
a
graph
of
your
tax
bill
over
time
compared
to
it,
you
know
when
those
bar
graphs
that
has
the
middle
different
colors
for
the
different
portions
of
what
you're
paying
our
poor
are.
Tax
increase
would
change
the
bar
by
just
a
sliver
and
it's
it's
MPAC,
that's
killing
these
people
and
it's
and
its
impact.
That
is
not
killing
them,
but
you
know
what
I
mean
it's
the
it's
there.
C
C
D
Thank
you,
sir
chair,
so
you
actually
explained
it
very
well
and
I.
Think,
as
as
the
Acting
CEO
said,
that
the
assessment
is
a
big
piece
of
it
that
we
have
no
control
over,
that
is
operated
by
an
PAC,
I.
Think
just
a
couple
things
to
that.
So,
yes,
I
think
there
would
be
a
way
to
do
that
and
we'll
we'll
work
with
communications
to
figure
out
if
there
is
a
simple
way
with
graphing
graphics
and
to
try
to
to
try
to
put
that
information
out
to
the
public.
So
there's
a
better
understanding
of
it.
D
We
have
over
the
past
couple
years.
We've
had
some
conversations
about.
How
do
you
get
this
information
out
because
it
is
complex
and
if
you
try
to
put
the
all
the
information
out,
that
sort
of
scopes
out
the
issue
gets
pretty
complicated
and
difficult
to
do
and
keep
it
simple.
So,
the
last
couple
of
years
we've
looked
at
a
couple
of
things
that
we've
done
around
just
particular
components
of
education
as
sort
of
a
foundational
piece
and
and
try
to
build
on
that.
D
So,
to
give
you
an
example,
I
know
there
is
a
common
misconception
out
there
that
my
assessment
goes
up,
so
my
taxes
went
up,
so
the
city
got
more
money
and
that's
not
the
case.
It
just
means
if
my
assessment
went
up
and
yours
didn't
go
up,
I'm
paying
a
higher
portion
of
that
total
pot
of
money
than
before,
and
there
is
actually
we
put
some
things
on
to
our
website
and
I
believe
we've
linked
them
in
the
past
on
the
on
the
tax
insert
document.
D
Empac
has
a
couple
of
really
good
videos
on
that.
That
explains
that,
in
terms
of
how
that
works
and
they've
got
a
couple
of
other
ones
on
there
that
they've
they
have
recently
created.
So
we
have
been
linking
on
to
those
as
well
so
I
think
from
a
communication
standpoint,
there's
a
there's,
an
education
piece
and
then
there's
sort
of
the
communication
piece
in
terms
of
what's
actually
happening
with
the
numbers
and
I
think
we
definitely
look
at
we'll
look
at
how
we
can.
We
can
do
a
better
job
of
that.
Thank.
D
D
When
you
come
out
and
try
to
get
to
work
or
or
if
you
wanted
to
do
something
at
and
in
terms
of
recreation,
that
those
services
are
available,
so
you
you're
paying
a
fee
for
service,
so
we've
tried
in
some
of
our
communication
in
the
past
to
do
that
as
well.
So
it's
not
just
I,
always
think
of
a
tax.
It's
just
a
tax.
On
top
it's
a
percentage
of
something
this
is
actually
buying
services,
no
different
than
buying
your
your
cable
or
your
internet
service.
D
D
I
C
K
F
Yes,
for
residential
properties,
it's
based
on
market
value,
so
it
is
supposed
to
mirror
sale
price.
As
of
the
reassessment
date
which,
for
the
last
reassessment
date
was
January
1st
2016,
so
that's
the
value
that
is
used
for
the
17
18,
19
and
20
years,
and
any
increases
between
that
reassessment
date
and
the
previous
are
phased
in
equally
over
that
four
year
period
and.
K
So
that
becomes
worrisome
because
I
recently
assessed
the
property
of
ours
residential
and
it's
significantly
assessed
by
a
private
assessable
real
estate
Assessor
significantly
different
than
the
impact
assessment
we
have
for
it
and
it's
been
almost
seven
years.
How
does
how
does
it
impact
assess
price
value
and
how
is
it
different
from
regular
commercial,
real
estate,
appraiser.
K
C
F
F
But
if
the
property
is
over
assessed,
person
does
have
the
ability
to
ask
for
a
request
for
reconsideration
and
I'm
back
will
go
out
and
look
at
that
particular
house
and
how
it
may
differ
from
another
house
in
the
area
that
is
similar
or
compared
to
the
sale
of
houses
in
that
area
and
adjust
the
assessment
accordingly.
But
their
model
works
very
well
for
where
there's
a
lot
of
sales,
it
does
not
perhaps
work
as
well
in
areas
where
there's
not
as
many
sales
for
them
to
analyze
or
warehouses
are
very
different
from
each
other.
K
C
I
Just
wondering
through
You
mr.
chair,
if
there
was
any
consideration
of
reducing
the
commercial
property
tax
class,
perhaps
a
smidgen
amount
of
1.97
rather
than
a
1.98,
and
what
type
of
impact
that
would
have
on
the
city
treasury.
You
don't
have
to
answer
that
fully
today,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
think
about
that.
I
think.
D
The
one
thing
I
can
say
on
that
3mr:
whenever
we
do
that
and
the
commercial
or
the
industrial
it's
all
going
to
the
residential,
and
so
it's
putting
more
pressure
on
to
the
residential.
So
we
do
look
at
sort
of
all
the
classes,
but-
and
we
also
look
at
how
they've
moved
in
terms
of
their
assessment
in
comparison
to
the
other
property
values.
C
Next,
we
have
9c
closed
meetings,
key
procedural
elements,
there's
also
a
report
from
the
acting
director
of
legal
services
and
city
solicitor,
and
it's
an
information
report
so
I'll.
Let
the
acting
director
of
legal
services
introduce
the
information
report
and
then
we'll
have
basically
just
questions
go
ahead.
Thank.
L
L
We
do
point
out
on
page
four
of
the
report
that
there
is
some
overlap
between
the
answers,
because
just
the
way
they
were
structured,
I'd
also
point
out
that
it
was
difficult
to
address
closed
session
illustrating
examples
from
our
own
experience,
because
that
would
be
managed
in
closed
session.
But
I
have
sent
through
to
you
court
cases
and
rulings
where,
unfortunately,
other
miss
apologies
had
to
be
brought
into
open
session
in
the
public
forums
to
explain
themselves.
L
C
C
L
K
L
K
So
the
original
reason
we
put
this
here
was
because
of
the
Amberleigh
I'll
report
that
found
some
shortcomings
and
we
were
hoping
that
we
could
improve
the
process
and
among
these
I'm
on
the
process.
Part
of
it
was
an
education
aspect
that
we
didn't
understand
certain
things,
and
you
answered
that
very
well,
so
just
to
be
clear.
This
is
a
much
better
report
than
anything
else.
I've
ever
seen
from
a
legal
perspective
in
the
sense
that
it
gets
very
clear,
useful
answers.
K
However,
what
I
think
is
lacking
is
that
we
were
hoping
to
improve
the
current
situation,
the
current
processes,
so
that
what
happened
in
the
past
doesn't
happen
again
in
the
future,
whereas
this
made
it
all
very
clear.
A
mistake
that
was
made
that
was
judged
to
be
illegal
would
still
continue.
Even
if
we
had
this
information,
it
would
appear
to
me
so
may
I
suggest
that
it
be
returned
as
a
status
quo
and
we
discuss
it.
That
way,
hang
on
so.
C
Just
so
that
were
clear
about
procedural
pieces
so
in
the
report
and
has
the
original
motion
that
passed
the
council
right
and
what
what
the
resolve
plus
says
it's
all
verbatim
in
the
report
and
then
there's
there's
a
detailed
response,
so
I
guess
maybe
I
could
maybe
I
could
just
procedurally
asked
as
chair.
Is
this
the
first
piece
of
the
response
to
that
mote?
C
That
motion
is
the
only
piece
and
and
are
these
questions
that
were
that
we're
getting
to
now
and
that
we
might
get
at
Council,
but
only
in
the
section
two
that
administrative
policies
comes
up
at
Council
is
that
the
only
place
that
councillors
could
go
into
more
detail
about
the
about
the
substance
of
the
wreck
of
the
motion
that
passive
Council?
That's
my
question
through.
L
C
Okay,
so
counsel
McClaren,
you
will
have
to
stick
to
questions
and
it
is
not
intended
to
be
your
not
debating
staff
about
the
outcome
of
the
report.
Your
outcome
of
the
motion,
your
your
asking
questions
of
clarification
of
the
report,
that's
in
front
of
you
and
I
would
suggest
if
it
is
your
opinion
that
there
is
something
missing
from
the
report
via
via
the
original
motion,
the
way
to
address
that
would
be
with
another
supplementary
motion
on
the
same
subject,
which
I
believe
would
be
in
camera
or
at
least
discussed
on
camera.
Is
that
right?
L
C
K
Since
this
was
originally
on
to
the
amber
the
gavel
report,
if
there
seems
to
be
a
difference
of
opinion
between
the
amber
the
gavel
report
on
the
nature
of
what
a
but
a
confirmation
by
law
is
according
to
the
that
the
amber
the
gavel
report,
it
says
that
they
do
not
count
for
things
that
are
in
camera
only
for
things
that
are
in
public.
But
your
report
suggests
that
that's
okay,
that
they
include
things
in
camera
as
well
and
may
I
ask
how
do
we
deal
with
that
particular
almost
judgment
from
the
report.
L
Through
the
chair,
I
can't
address
what
that
report
said.
I
can
confirm
that
my
review
of
the
law
is
such
to
come
from
natori
bylaws
capture,
everything
that
occurs
in
a
meeting
and
in
our
process.
The
meeting
is
one
whole
meeting
that
includes
a
closed
session
and
an
open
session,
but
it
is
one
meeting.
So
if.
K
L
L
It's
very
nature
is
to
be
a
catch-all
so
that
it
becomes
a
challenge
to
do
something.
First
of
all
separate
from
the
rest
of
the
general
municipal
law
of
Ontario,
but
also
to
deal
with
a
specific
instance.
The
function
is
to
gather
all
the
elements
of
the
event
of
a
council
meeting
and
address
all
the
ones
that
didn't
have
a
specific
standalone
bylaw
attached
to
them,
because
the
statute
requires
that
council
makes
decisions
and
ratifies
them
through
a
bylaw,
so
where
you
don't
have
a
specific
bylaw
for
each
decision
along
the
way.
L
L
J
L
Have
the
specific
ones,
because
the
detail
in
many
cases
are
the
critical
thing
to
capture
it's,
not
just
the
fact
of
the
decision.
So
when
we
have
a
bylaw
in
a
planning
sense,
we
have
a
lot
of
specific
data
within
that
bylaw.
That
needs
to
be
understood
and
approved
upon
in
the
very
particular,
whereas
if
it
was,
for
example,
somebody
as
a
counselor
brings
a
point
of
personal
privilege
and
explains
it
on
the
floor
and
a
decision
is
rendered
through
the
group
dynamic
of
their
vote.
That
isn't
something
that
necessary.
L
K
It
sounds
like
you
would
suggest
that
for
substantive
issues,
we
should
have
a
very
specific
bylaw
and
part
of
what
this
report
the
amber.
The
gavel
report
suggests
is
that
we
made
a
very
specific
substantive
decision,
in-camera
that
should
have
been
captured
by
the
very
specific
bylaw
that
you're
suggesting
we
didn't
need.
Is
that
did
I
understand
that
correctly.
L
K
L
C
Mccain
I
I'm
struggling
as
chair
to
balance
your
curiosity,
which
your
individual
curiosity
with
the
public
good
and
need
for
the
public
to
participate
in
in
this
process
at
some
point
not
suggesting
this
is
right
now,
but
at
some
point
this
you
will
reach
the
point
where
further
questions
should
be
handled
offline
with
a
solicitor
in
a
meeting
where
you
could
take
your
time
and
really
good
back
and
forth
that
the
formal
committee
structure
doesn't
really
permit
that
with
questions.
So
normally
it.
B
Thank
you
I'm
curious
about
there.
On
page
six,
it
there's
a
discussion
around
the
potential
to
waive
privilege,
which
is
not
very
commonly
done,
as
the
report
states
I'm
just
curious,
though
procedurally,
what's
required
to
waive
privilege
in
a
closed
meeting.
Is
that
something
where
members
of
it
would
come
forward
as
a
motion
to
waive
privilege
and
there
would
be
a
boat.
L
Waving
so
when,
as
a
solicitor
you
meet
with
counsel
in
closed
session
you're
meeting
with
the
client
and
the
client
is
the
collective.
So
it
least
what
would
have
to
happen
is
a
vote,
but
a
vote
would
be
based.
Oh
I
thought
it
was.
Oh
sorry,
the
vote
I'm
not
known
for
delicacy
of
voice.
Sorry,
the
vote
would
be
of
counsel
as
a
whole
and
it
would
be
taken
after
I
would
expect
explanation
in
the
specific
by
the
lawyer
of
the
ramifications
now
as
I
think
I
allude
to.
L
There
are
many
instances
where
things
in
one
case
are
in
closed
session,
but
similar,
like
certain
settlements,
can
be
open
session
we've.
Certainly
in
my
time,
done
open
session
discussions
of
settlements
where
it's
happy
news
or
good
news
is
a
very
good
resolution,
but
other
matters
as
think
there's.
L
The
privilege
is
always
the
clients,
but
the
purpose
for
even
going
into
the
setting
is
based
on
the
initial
advice
of
the
lawyer
is.
This
is
an
appropriate
matter
that
should
be
managed
in
this
way,
and
you
know
I've
had
situations
in
private
and
public
practice
over
25
years
that
the
discussion
is
the
thing
that
needs
to
be
done
in
this
discreet
way,
so
that
a
lot
of
issues
can
be
openly
canvassed.
But
the
outcome
itself
is
not
necessarily
something
that
it
is
a
problem.
L
The
other
thing
is,
we
can
and
practically
speaking,
do
often
waive
little
bits
of
the
privilege.
So
if
you
report
out-
but
you
only
do
that
implicit
in
that
is
the
idea
that
the
whole
discussion
under
privilege
isn't
waived,
and
so
there
are
cases
that
I
didn't
report
in
here
behind
this
report
that
talk
about
when
people
challenged
and
said
you
wait.
You
actually
waived
this
by
letting
out
this
one
letter.
L
You
waived
the
whole
privilege
over
the
whole
matter
and
the
court
is
very
reticent
to
do
that,
because
they,
whether
it's
a
municipal
council
or
an
individual,
the
right
to
have
a
discreet
secret
discussion
with
your
legal
counsel,
is
a
constitutional
privilege,
a
constitutional
principle
of
the
highest
order.
So
if
you're
in
that
setting
very
unlikely,
you're
gonna
be
wanting
to
waive
it
and
tell.
C
Don't
answer
this
question
because
I
don't
know
if
it's
fair
to
ask
you
as
the
solicitor
this
question,
but
it
appears
to
me
that
some
of
the
confusion
that
council
has
about
around
closed
meetings
stems
not
from
the
content
of
any
particular
closed
meeting
or
the
outcome
or
the
procedure,
but
rather
from
the
strange
relationship
that
counsel
has
with
its
solicitor,
because,
in
contrast
to
in
the
private
sector,
when
I
hire
a
lawyer,
it's
pretty
clear
I'm
paying
the
bill
lawyer
is
my
lawyer.
Everybody
knows
what
that
means.
C
The
lawyer
knows
it
means
I
know
what
I
mean.
Everybody
knows
in
this
situation
with
a
group
that
is
the
client
and
not
only
that
a
group
that
is
always
making
decisions
in
open
session
and,
furthermore,
this
particular
group
that
had
a
one
of
their
six
strategic
priorities,
overarching
priorities
for
the
entire
term
of
counsel,
was
open
government
how
this
seems
to
be
so.
C
The
question
is
what
what
portion
of
the
of
the
MIS
of
the
confusion
or
contention
around
the
different
interpretations
of
without
going
into
the
detail,
but
the
the
fact
that
there
were
different
interpretations
of
a
closed
session
investigation
by
various
members
of
the
same
board,
the
council
and
therefore
it's
with
an
individual,
for
example.
That
has
a
lawyer
unless
he's
got
multiple
personalities.
That
would
never
happen,
but
it
happens
with
the
council
because
you
have
a
divergent
set
of
views.
L
Here,
in
a
nutshell,
so
it's
important
to
remember
that
when
we're
in
closed
session,
it
is
under
solicitor,
client
privilege,
the
council
as
a
whole
is
my
clients,
not
individual
councillors,
and
I
am
the
council's
solicitor
at
that
point.
If
those
two
things
are
present,
you
can't
have
the
privilege,
and
so
the
rules,
the
special
rules
around
confidentiality
and
it's
actually
a
word
higher
than
confidentiality
that
wouldn't
even
come
into
being
the
relationship
at
that
moment.
L
So
without
suggesting
it's
like
a
Star
Chamber
of
complete
secrecy,
part
of
my
role,
whether
it's
it
with
this
client
or
private
clients,
is
I,
am
a
bearer
of
secrets.
I
know
things
of
25
years
of
practice
that
I
can't
tell
people,
but
also
within
that
context,
I
have
to
advise
based
on
my
individual
understanding
and
my
personal
experience
and
skill
level.
As
a
result,
it
is
not.
You
may
be
not
surprised
to
learn
that
lawyers
are
adversarial.
L
One
of
the
reasons
for
that
is,
you
do
actually
have
divergent
interests,
and
different
lawyers
can
come
to
different
conclusions,
being
people
of
good
faith
and
good
in
good,
good
intention.
That
being
said,
you
also,
as
the
lawyer,
have
to
pay
very
special
attention
when
you're
in
that
moment
of
solicitor
client
privilege
to
be
as
honest
and
folsom
and
operating
as
an
open
book,
because
it's
once
you're
out
of
the
privileged
moment
of
the
solicitor
client
meeting
the
book
closes
again
and
then
I
have
to
go
off
and
perform
my
instructions
as
best
I
can.
C
L
C
Question
but
it's
different,
do
you
have
any
suggestions,
because
if
I
hire
a
lawyer
and
I
and
I'm
not
satisfied
with
the
performance
or
his
opinions
are
different
from
mine
and
therefore
our
conversation
is
difficult
or
whatever
or
we
have,
you
know
we
go
to
different
churches
or
something
like
that.
I
always
have
the
option
of
getting
a
new
lawyer
that
aligns
more
with
my
goals
and
maybe
also
my
personality
or
what
or
all
the
reasons
I
would
you
I
would
you
know
want
to
change
lawyers?
C
We
don't
have
that
option
as
counsel
when
it
comes
to
city
solicitor
except
to
completely
change
the
city
solicitor,
which
is
sort
of
a
wouldn't,
be
necessarily
in
the
middle
of
a
file.
You
know
in
the
middle
of
the
meeting.
Definitely
would
not
happen.
So
do
you
have
any
suggestions
to
how
to
better
for
the
council
to
feel
more
in
control
of
the
conversation
with
their
solicitor
in
the
current
context
and
as
a
result
of
what's
in
this
report,
that's.
L
A
big,
difficult,
I,
can't
assure
you
from
time
to
time
is
appropriate
outside
counsel
is
asked
to
assist,
not
because
of
an
inability
to.
As
a
lawyer
answer
the
question,
but
sometimes
as
a
lawyer,
you
do
realize
you
want
another
point
of
view,
so
that
is
occurring
sometimes
when
it's
very
rare
that
a
corporate
body
like
this
counsel,
once
I
represented
a
condo
board
20
years
ago
and
the
condo
board.
Individual
members
were
very
antagonistic
with
each
other
for
reasonable
reasons
that
their
property
interests
of
their
own
condominium
were
odds
with
others.
L
But
when
they
came
together
and
had
a
vote,
there
wasn't
actually
a
conflict
between
legal
counsel
and
the
corporation,
the
body
that
ran
the
corporate
patient.
That
was
the
condominium
as
a
whole.
It's
it's
normal
as
part
of
the
debate
within
a
body
like
a
political
body,
municipal
council,
for
there
to
be
different
points
of
view
and
I
think
the
goal
would
be
of
legal
services,
certainly,
but
on
any
good
lawyer
is
your
ideas.
L
I
often
think
of
a
time
when
I
actually
was
a
high
school
teacher
for
a
brief
time
and
a
lot
of
what
I
think
we're
I
was
certainly
trying
to
do
in
this
report
is
take
a
very
challenging
set
of
questions
and
and
condense
it
into
something
that
was
understandable
and
not
200
pages
long.
So
that's
an
example
of
good
lawyering.
L
C
C
K
Since
you
wouldn't,
let
me
actually
do
all
the
concerns
I
have,
and
you
suggested
that
I
do
this
online.
Could
I
move
a
motion
of
deferral
so
that
I
can
have
a
private
conversation
with
him?
Have
the
eight
conditions
addressed
and
perhaps,
if
to
the
necessary,
the
report
adjusted
perhaps
tweaked
or
I
just
are
related.
Let.
C
I
have
to
think
about
this,
but
I'll
tell
you
what
I'm
thinking
about,
but
before
I
make
my
ruling.
So
basically,
this
committee
cannot
direct
staff.
This
committee
advises
counsel,
counsel,
can
direct
staff,
so
if
the
thought
was
to
have
another
session
to
defer
for
the
reason
of
having
another
session
of
questions
like
we
had,
what
is
the
reason
for
the
referral
that
might
help
so.
C
L
C
C
H
I'm
just
trying
to
be
helpful,
I
think
we
can.
We
can
take
it
upon
ourselves
to
bring
a
report
to
Council.
We
do
most
of
the
time
bring
reports
on
our
own
without
being
directed
so
I
appreciate
that
this
report
was
provided
to
the
committee
I
think
the
committee
can
receive
it,
but
I
think
what
we
can
do
is
bring
a
report
to
Council.
That
would
include
disinformation
but
could
also
provide
additional
information
where
clarification
may
be
requested.
C
So
I'm
gonna
repeat
what
I
said
much
earlier:
that,
if
that
the
council
feels
that
this
information
report
is
insufficient
to
deal
with
the
reason
that
the
original
motion
came
to
council,
then
the
council
needs
to
write
another
motion
on
the
same
subject
and
have
counsel
debate
that
too,
to
achieve
the
end
of
having
further
further
result
and
if
it,
even
if
even
if
it
includes
things
that
your
interpretation
of
what
was
in
the
original
motion,
the
because
this
is
the
response
to
the
motion
so
and
there
it's
it's,
not
debatable.
It's
an
information
report.
C
It's
not
debatable!
So
if
you
do
not
agree
that
counsel
directions
been
followed,
that
that's
also
an
offline
discussion
and
we've
have
the
offer
of
having
another
report
with
more
information.
But
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
whether
council
accepts
the
council
may
or
may
not
rule
in
the
majority
in
agreement
with
your
contention
that
there's
more.
That
needs
to
be
done
right.
J
C
C
K
The
original
intent
of
this
was
to
have
some
recommendations
that
would
improve
process.
The
additional
report
includes
recommendations,
that's
essentially
what
I'm
looking
for.
So,
if
I
may
recall,
by
reading
the
resolve
clause,
that
council
will
address
the
report
by
directing
staff
to
return
to
administrative
policies
in
the
first
quarter
of
2019,
with
new
recommendations
which,
when
I
wrote
that
it
was
because
I
did
not
want
an
information
report.
I
figured
that
the
information
would
be
part
of
the
new
recommendations
and
guidelines
to
meet
or
improve
on
the
recommendations
of
the
ombudsman.
K
C
C
Yeah
so
right
now,
procedurally,
this
report
stays
with
the
committee.
Any
counselor
can
read
it,
but
it
stays
with
the
committee.
If
we
want
it
to
go
to
Council
as
an
agenda
item,
you
need
to
make
a
motion
that
it
go
to
Council,
but
it
but
it
won't.
It
will
be
this
report.
We've
got
the
offer
from
the
CEO
for
additional
information.
That
would
be
a
separate
report
also
to
council,
but
you
don't
need
to
include
that
in
I.
Would.
K
C
C
K
K
To
that
end,
that's
why
I
felt
that
this
report
is
not
quite
complete,
so
just
to
be
clear,
the
research
is
awesome.
This
is
like
lightyears,
ahead
of
anything
that
I've
ever
received
from
the
city
solicitor
in
the
past,
so
very
helpful.
However,
it's
missing
that
one
aspect
and
I
think
it
was
misinterpreted
that,
whereas
therefore
it
be
resolved,
clause
was
misinterpreted
so
to
add
greater
clarity.
K
K
If
we
do
all
of
these
various
different
things,
but
which
ones
can
we
do
one
and
maybe
on
a
phased-in
way
to
get
close
meeting
minutes
not
min
and
some
recordings
are
out
getting,
we
need
a
policy
I
would
submit
that
reveals
what
happened
in
closed
sessions
at
an
appropriate
time.
All
other
forms
of
government
do
this,
so
they
have
archives.
That's
why
it's
a
historical
record
that
seems
to
be
bringing
it
into
21st
century
and
whatever.
That
is
that's
what
we
should
have
been.
K
What
I
was
hoping
to
debate
today
and
part
of
the
reason
that
I
wanted?
Those
recommendations
is
because
it
would
go
to
council
automatically
after
we
debated
it
here
and
to
further
address
the
findings
of
the
amber
the
gavel
report.
So
this
report
by
Amber
Lee
gavel,
found
several
things
that
they
felt
we
were
doing.
K
Not
a
closed
meeting
report,
this
is
an
open
public
report,
okay,
which
didn't
again
in
preparation
for
this
there's
lots
of
things
that
I
started.
That
I
felt
were
not
addressed
in
this
report,
and
so
these
extra
recommendations
are
to
give
further
clarification
to
the
original
intent
of
the
motion.
As
I
wrote
it
with
counsel
Hutchison,
who
is
not
here,
and
the
purpose
is
to
improve
the
processes
going
forward
because
we
were
found
lacking.
K
I
C
You
so
now
I'm,
just
a
committee
member
and
my
my
take
on
this-
is
that
the
first
Clause
is
a
procedural
piece
to
get
this
report
to
Council,
which
we
already
discussed-
that's
fairly
straightforward,
I'm,
also
in
favor
of
that
first
clause.
The
second
clause
is
the
new
piece,
and
it's
basically,
if
what
he
for
what
the
council
just
said,
I
understand
this
to
be
his
perception
of
what
is
not
addressed
by
this
report
specifically,
but
which
was
perhaps
included
in
the
intention
of
the
original
motion
and
I
know.
C
Two
colleagues
here
were
not
on
counsel
at
the
time
of
the
original
motion.
So
this
is
all
news
to
you.
I
would
say
I'd
like
to
hear
from
my
colleagues
about
what
they
think
of
the
second
clause
and
and
I
might.
If
there
seems
to
be
some
discord
in
the
second
clause,
I
might
move
separation,
that's
what
I
would
say
of
the
two
clauses,
so
I'll
leave
it
at
that
and
I'm
in
favor
of
the
first
clause
and
I'm
waiting
to
hear
the
thoughts
of
my
colleagues
for
the
second
clause,
I.
M
I'm
not
really
we're
doing
this,
because
we
did
have
an
offer
from
the
acting
CEO
to
do
basically
what's
what's
up
there,
so
I
think
we
should
be
approving
this
as
an
information
item
or
receiving
it.
As
an
information
item,
take
the
see
the
acting
sales
offer
to
prepare
a
report
that
addresses
these
issues
and,
let's
move
on.
I
I
Some
of
them,
who
are
on
counsel
prior
to
my
term,
have
a
better
reflection
of
what
that
report
has
I
think
it
would
have
a
greater
merit
at
that
time
to
request
of
staff
to
hone
in
on
specific
aspects
of
of
the
questions
that
are
left
unanswered.
That
I
really
don't
have
an
appreciation
for
other
than
what
I
read
in
the
report.
So
I'm
not
sure
this
is
the
right
way
to
go
at
this
point
either.
Thank
you.
C
C
K
C
An
amendment
no
problem
that
was
a
grammar
grammar
correction,
so
the
first
Clause
and
we're
voting
on
the
first
clause
that
ap
19
o77
be
referred
to
council
all
those
in
favor
all
those
opposed
and
that
fails
on
a
tie.
Second
clause
that
stop
prepare
a
new
report
with
recommendations,
a
to
improve
the
transparency
of
closed
meetings
B
to
help
avoid
an
unnecessary
closed
meetings.
C
to
further
address
the
findings
of
the
amber
D
gavel
report,
all
those
in
favor
all
those
opposed
and
that
fails
on
a
tie.
C
So
now
we
have
first
capital
placed
illumination
policy
review.
This
is
a
report,
but
there's
also
a
recommendation
in
this
case
and
before
we
get
to
the
recommendation,
we'll
hear
sorry
yeah
and
there's
no
vote
on
an
information
report
so
yeah
okay,
we
before
we
move
on
just
to
clarify
because
it
was
a
little
confusing.
So
the
vote
both
failed
for
the
for
the
new
motion.
What
happens
then
is
essentially
as
printed
in
the
package
it
is
or
an
information
report.
C
J
C
C
Okay,
that
actually,
it
would
not
say
the
outcome,
it
would
just
be
reported
to
Council
no
chilly
without
a
recommendation
and
and
then
to
the
other
piece.
Maybe
we
could
hear
from
the
CEO
but
I
believe
she's,
probably
going
to
say
that
she
could.
She
could
at
any
time,
at
being
the
CEO
bring
a
report
to
Council,
regardless
of
the
outcome
of
what
happened
here.
Go
ahead
to
CEO
search.
C
N
You
and
through
you,
mr.
chair,
the
purpose
of
this
report
is
to
come
back
to
administrative
policies
committee
regarding
the
illumination
policy.
This
was
first
created
in
2017
in
connection
with
the
installation
of
a
new
lighting
system
for
City
Hall
and
under
the
requirements
of
that
original
policy.
N
We
were
requested
to
do
a
review
after
the
first
year
of
its
operation,
so
we've
come
back
with
information
related
to
the
assessment
of
that
new
program
and
policy,
with
some
documentation
around
the
use
of
the
system
and
also
based
on
feedback
that
we
had
requested
from
various
stakeholders.
We've
also
made
a
couple
of
recommended
changes
to
the
policy
for
your
consideration
and
potential
approval.
N
So
a
couple
of
the
things
that
were
highlighted
through
that
review
process
was
the
need
for
more
specific
data
related
to
three
of
the
pre-approved
illuminations
that
had
been
incorporated
as
part
of
the
illumination
policy.
We
were
also
requested
to
add
in
Earth
Hour
in
late
March
as
a
new
date
to
recognize
and
there's
also
three
changes
to
the
body
of
the
policy
itself
that
are
somewhat
process
related.
One
has
to
do
with
the
time
frame
for
requests
that
come
forward.
Originally,
it
was
established
to
be
at
60
calendar
days
ahead
of
a
request.
N
There's
also
language
that's
been
added
in
that
gives
us
the
latitude
to
actually
suspend
an
illumination
if
it's
in
conflict
with
another
event,
that's
happening
in
Market
Square,
for
example
like
movies
in
the
square,
and
the
final
change
is
also
related
to
requesting
council's
consideration
that
the
final
approval
regarding
future
amendments
to
this
policy
actually
be
delegated
to
the
corporate
management
team
internally,
rather
than
council
itself
and
I'm
also
happy
to
answer
questions,
and
if
you
wish
I
can
also
address
the
correspondence
that
was
added
to
the
agenda
tonight
as
well.
I.
C
N
I
Chair
just
with
regards
I
did
follow
up
with
the
residents
who
put
forth
a
correspondence
and
I
was
in
congruent
with
her
perspective
that
that
Victoria
Day
weekend
should
be
lit
up
as
well,
and
if
that
is
possibly
a
day
that
we
can
be
adding
to
the
list
of
dates,
I
think
it
would
be
appropriate,
since
so
many
people
come
to
the
downtown
core
on
on
the
main
long
weekend.
It's
really
the
kickoff
of
our
tourism
season,
so
it
might
be
nice
to
have
city
hold
it
up
on
that
time
as
well.
Just.
C
So
there
is
a
recommendation
here
and
if
there,
if
the
detail
of
the
of
the
amendments
is
recommended
by
staff,
don't
align
exactly
with
councils,
thoughts
or
our
councillors,
and
you
would
move
an
amendment
at
the
time.
It's
moved
onto
the
floor
not
right
now
because
we're
in
word
questions,
but
when
it
comes
up
and
yeah
that
Kirk
or
I
can
help
you
with
that.
C
Any
other
questions
yeah
now
go
to
members
of
the
public
about
the
elimination
policy,
seeing
none.
We
need
a
mover
and
seconder
for
the
recommendation.
The
recommendation
is
that
the
administrative
policies
committee
recommend
that
council
approved
the
amended
first.
Capital
plays
elimination.
Policy
has
proposed
an
exhibit
a
attached
to
report
number
AP
19.00,
one
move
by
council,
Hill
or
deputy
mayor
held
sorry
seconded
by
Councillor
Chappell.
Does
anyone
wish
to
speak.
C
So
maybe
maybe,
but
before
we
go
to
to
a
possible
amendment,
maybe
I'll
just
ask
as
chair,
because
I
was
also
chair
of
the
Heritage
Committee
and
I
seem
to
remember.
Victoria
Day
coming
up,
staff
must
have
looked
at
all
the
holidays,
with
what
was
staffs
rationale
for
this
particular
alignment.
Was
it
to
do
with
the
fact
that
there
was
other
other
things
near
Victoria
Day
weekend
or
what?
What
did
staff
tell
us,
I'm
feeling
I've
heard
this
answer
before,
but
I
can't
remember
to.
N
N
So
it
was
a
summation
of
that
kind
of
input
to
try
and
come
up
with
the
best
high-level
less
possible,
but
subsequent
to
that
work.
When
the
policy
first
came
forward,
council
requested
that
st.
Patrick's
Day
be
added
and
obviously
now
Earth
Day
has
been
added
as
well.
So
if
another
event
like
Victoria
Day,
where
we
were
to
be
added,
that's
certainly
possible,
but
it
starts
to
build
the
list
of
things
that
councils
already
pre
approved
in
the
calendar
year.
That.
I
J
K
A
C
J
C
C
G
K
C
Historical
preponderance
of
certain
types
of
commemorations,
of
which,
of
course,
holidays
are
one
monuments,
parades,
there's
lots
of
different
ways
to
commemorate
things,
but
I.
Remember
they
remember.
One
of
the
key
points
that
I
took
away
from
the
commemorative
strategy
was
an
attempt
to
have
something
more
in
line
with
the
current
values
of
our
city.
N
N
So
the
the
federal
document
that
I
referred
to
the
national
days
of
observances
has
70
different
days
in
it.
So
there's
quite
a
robust
list
of
days
that
are
potential
to
be
recognized.
So
there
was
a
number
of
conversations
about
your
point:
the
fact
that
there's
some
things
that
are
very
well
represented
within
the
Kingston
context
in
terms
of
commemorations
and
recognitions
and
trying
to
create
that
balance.
N
So
it
wasn't
necessarily
about
excluding
Victoria
Day,
specifically
as
much
as
trying
to
create
a
more
representative
cross-section,
because
the
commemoration
strategy
doesn't
necessarily
refer
to
the
preponderance
of
certain
commemorations,
but
says
that
there's
things
that
are
well
represented
and
some
things
that
are
underrepresented,
that
that
should
be
given
greater
attention,
are
issues
related
to
indigenous
communities,
ethno-cultural
communities,
women
and
french-speaking
communities.
So
it
was
trying
to
assert
the
need
to
bring
greater
attention
to
some
of
those
other
things.
C
N
C
C
C
So
now
we
have
the
amended
recommendation
and
it
would
read
that
the
administrative
policies
committee
recommend
that
council
approved
the
amended
first
capital
place.
Illumination
policy,
as
proposed
in
Exhibit
A,
as
amended
to
include
Victoria
Day
attached
to
report
number
AP
1900
one.
We
need
to
move
her
in
a
seconder.
Oh
sorry,
yeah
couldn't
have
amended
if
it
wasn't
moved
sorry
I'm
losing
it.
It
is
on
the
floor.
Does
anyone
want
wish
to
speak
to
the
amended
recommendation?
C
Seeing
none
I'll
call
the
vote.
All
those
in
favor
pose
that
carries
that's
D.
Now
we
go
to
E
and
there's
also
an
F
yeah.
So
there's
two
more
items:
there's
a
E
and
F.
So
E
is
mandatory
policy
on
council
staff
Relations.
This
is
also
a
report
also
with
the
recommendation.
If
staff
get
a
juice,
it
please.
G
Thank
you,
mr.
e
to
the
members
of
the
committee.
The
policy
before
account
of
the
committee
tonight
is
actually
part
of
the
Herman
introduced
to
bill
68
to
the
Miss
black,
whereby
all
miss
bellies
in
Ontario
must
pass
a
policy
regarding
Stu
council
staff
relations.
In
effect,
this
is
a
consolidated
Restatement
of
existing
policies.
The
city
has,
he
has
a
number
of
policies
that
deal
with
the
relationship
between
counsel
and
staff
and
staff
and
staff
staff
among
staff.
G
It
had
no
way
designed
to
restrict
challenge
of
position
of
staff
or
to
restrict
councils
ability
to
govern
as
they
were
elected
to
do,
but
how
that
pros
assistive
to
unfold
in
a
respectful
professional
manner
so
that
the
community
has
gained
the
best
balance
of
the
decision-making
going
forward
by
the
information
provided
that
staffs
responsible
to
bringing
the
best
information
forward
to
them
and
also
being
very
responsive
to
the
questions
put
to
them
by
Council.
That's
not
to
say
we're,
gonna
agree
in
everything,
but
it's
from
our
perspective.
G
M
Mr.
chair
I
wonder
if,
in
the
kind
of
late
hour
here
and
the
fact
that
this
looks
like
it's
going
to
be
a
fairly
fulsome
discussion,
given
the
comments
that
were
relayed
to
us
earlier
by
councillor,
McClaren
wonder
if
this
is
something
we
could
consider
deferring
to
our
next
a
midden
castle
meeting.
C
Seconded
by
Councillor
Chappelle,
so
we
can
debate
this,
be
careful.
The
rules
are
strict
on
deferrals.
You
can
debate
place
which
would
be
here.
It's
not
really
debatable,
but
it's
it's
debatable
by
procedure,
but
unless
you
want
to
go
to
a
different
room,
that's
not
really
part
of
the
debate.
The
debate
typically
is
about
time.
So,
and
you
can
also
when
you
defer,
you
can
give
a
reason,
so
the
defer
could
just
simply
be
to
the
next
administrative
policy
meeting.
Is
that
what
use
it
yeah.
K
C
N
C
C
C
We
first
need
a
motion
to
resolve
it
to
resolve
ourselves
into
the
board
of
management
for
Rita,
crest
home.
We
do
that
at
every
meeting.
It
says
the
procedural
matter
who
would
like
to
move
this
council
with
Aaron.
Second
counselor
spell
so
so
moved
and
seconded
vote.
I'll
call
the
vote
all
those
in
favor
and
that
carries.
We
are
now
the
Board
of
Management.
So
as
the
Board
of
Management,
I
guess,
I
continue
as
chair
and
there's
report
from
the
Commissioner
of
Community
Services.
C
A
C
O
You
three
mr.
chair,
so
this
report
does
contain
information
from
October
2018
through
to
the
end
of
February
2019.
So
it
is
a
fairly
lengthy
report
only
because
we
did
cancel
our
meeting
in
January,
so
it's
normally
a
bi-monthly
meeting.
Yes,
so
Rita
crystal
maintained
an
overall
occupancy
rate
of
99%
for
2018
to
date
from
January
2019
to
the
end
of
March.
We
have
maintained
an
occupancy
rate
of
ninety
eight
point.
O
Eight
three
percent
Rita
crest
home
has
had
13
incidents
and
to
complaints
report
reportable
to
the
Ministry
of
Health
and
long-term
care
from
October
through
to
February.
During
this
time
frame,
the
Ministry
of
Health
was
in
the
home
in
January
to
investigate
five
critical
incidents
and
14
inquiries.
As
a
result
of
that
investigation,
there
was
one
written
notification
released
related
to
wound
care
which
the
home
was
in
compliance
upon
completion
of
the
investigation.
As
of
February
2009
teen,
there
were
four
hundred
and
six
people
on
the
waiting
list
for
the
home.
O
You
can
see
there
was
a
number
of
respiratory
outbreaks
over
this
time
period
and
over
the
winter
months
we
were
quite
happy
to
have
no
confirmed
cases
of
influenza,
A
or
B
over
that
time
frame.
The
home
continues
to
have
a
number
of
quality
initiatives.
Our
biggest
one
is
right
now,
looking
at
the
replacement
of
flooring
for
our
home,
which
we're
hoping
to
have
started
by
the
end
of
this
month.
O
Financials
for
2018
reader
crest
was
ninety
seven
point.
Six
percent
spent
for
that
fiscal
year,
which
is
136
almost
hundred
thirty
seven
thousand
dollars
under
budget.
Most
of
that
was
primarily
due
to
wages
for
2019
budget
Farida
crest.
Own
municipal
contribution
is
just
under
six
million
dollars.
As
of
the
end
of
February,
reader
crest
was
fifteen
point
two
eight
percent
spent,
which
is
$80,000
under
spent
excluding
commitments
and
I'm
open
to
questions.
If
you
have
any.
C
C
C
C
C
Yeah,
so
about
the
wound
care.
So
this
came
up.
This
has
come
up
before
I'm
a
nurse
so
I
know
this
is
a
fairly
common
occurrence
in
a
nursing
home,
because
you've
got
bed
ridden
patients
who
get
pressure
ulcers
from
lying
on
the
same
spot
for
forever
and
also
other
issues
such
as
incontinence
care
and
stuff.
Like
that
that
can
make
wounds.
You
know
they
come
on
the
back
side
and
and
so
on.
I'd
see
this
all
the
time
myself.
Kgh
so
is.
O
Through
you,
mr.
jereth,
the
complaint
that
or
the
finding
that
was
found
during
this
investigation,
that
Minister
of
Health
was
in
looking
at
a
certain
critical
incident
during
the
course
of
that
investigation
of
that
critical
incident,
it
was
found
that
a
weekly
wound
assessment,
so
any
wound
that
has
had
by
a
patient
is
a
weekly
assessment
is
done
by
a
registered
staff.
There
was
a
week
where
that
was
missed,
and
so
because
that
investigator
found
that
they
are
obliged
to
give
us
notification
of
that.
So
that
is
what
that
finding
is
for.
O
Know
the
notification,
so
it's
just
a
written
notification
to.
Let
us
know
that
she
has
found
this
as
an
inspector
when
she
left
the
home.
We
were
in
compliance
that
individual
and
other
patients
that
she
did
look
at
their
care
plan.
Weekly
Munda
systems
were
occurring
on
a
weekly
basis
or
she
was
happy
with
that.
The
home
was
in
compliance
for
that.
Okay,.
O
I
C
Any
other
questions
members
of
the
public
okay,
so
we
need
to
vote
on
the
recommendation.
So
we
need
you,
we
need
to
move,
don't
we
after
it
isn't
the
recommendation?
Oh
so
there's
no
recommendation,
there's
just
the
procedural
motion
to
rise
from
the
board,
so
we
need
a
again
a
mover
and
seconder
so
Hill
councillor
of
Chappell,
all
those
in
favor
move
that
passes
so
we're
back
to
being
the
administrative
policies
committee.
There
are
no
new
motions.
Is
there
any
other
business?
Yes,
just.
K
G
That's
really
mr.
chair
councillor,
McLaren,
based
on
our
earlier
discussion
with
council
tonight.
We're
gonna
make
the
one
adjustment
to
identify
the
informal
complaint
policy
complaint
receipt
on
it,
but
barring
any
information
from
members
of
the
committee,
it
will
go
forward
as
written
with
the
exception
of
the
modification
of
the
complaint
policy.
So.