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Administrative Policies Committee meeting from February 8, 2018. For the full meeting agenda visit https://goo.gl/uqEQqp
A
A
Okay,
so
I
will
do
count
officially
councillor
canden
has
turned
it
down,
so
I
will
now
ask
councilor
Hollett,
do
you
accept
and
do
we
have
a
seconder
councillor,
Oh
Sanok,
any
other
nominations:
okay,
seeing
none
I'll
close
the
nominations
and
call
a
vote.
So
all
in
favor,
okay,
not
opposed
all
right
and
I.
Will
now
then
call
the
vote
in
one
second
for
nominations
for
position
of
vice
chair
I.
A
A
C
A
C
C
D
Good
evening
councillors,
mr.
chair,
my
name
is
Stefano
Hollins
and
I'm.
The
commissioner
municipal
affairs,
at
the
alma
mater
Society
of
Queens
University
I'm
here
today
to
speak
to
the
city
about
the
city
of
Kingston's,
proposed
Newton's
party
bylaw
in
specific
I,
wish
to
discuss
both
the
content
of
this
bylaw.
In
addition
to
the
process
that
marked
its
conception,
the
city's
proposed
nuisance
party
by
law
includes
a
detailed,
comprehensive
procedure
that
provides
a
safeguard
and
ensuring
that
there
will
be
only
certain
instances
where
someone
could
be
eligible
to
receive
a
set
fine
of
$500.
D
Although
police
are
certainly
awarded
discretionary
powers
when
deciding
if
a
party
constitutes
the
definition
of
a
nuisance
party,
we
understand
that
only
the
most
qualified
ranks
of
officers
will
be
eligible
to
make
the
final
decision.
Secondly,
we
appreciate
the
city's
willingness
to
incorporate
the
public
suggestion
to
tighten
language
about
the
compliance
order.
We
believe
that
any
party,
goer
or
host
should
be
given
the
opportunity
to
demonstrate
to
police
that
they
are
willing
to
comply
and
cooperate
with
in
order
just
to
disperse,
before
becoming
eligible
to
receive
a
$500.
Fine.
D
This
safeguard
is
a
fundamental
importance
to
the
AMS,
as
it
ensures
that
the
bylaw
serves
to
weed
out
bad
apples
rather
than
placing
financial
burdens
on
unsuspected
partygoers.
We
also
support
the
minimum
fine
amount,
as
it
complies
like
so
many
other
aspects
of
this
bylaw
with
comparative
best
practices.
Most
other
municipalities
have
a
set
fine
of
250
to
750
750
dollars
for
the
Neeson's
bylaws.
We
believe
that
a
$500
fine
is
a
fair
compromise
to
make
in
order
to
ensure
that
this
bylaw
fulfills
its
duty
to
act
as
a
psychological
deterrent.
D
The
AMS
fully
acknowledges
that
our
student
constituents
may
very
well
interact
with
this
bylaw
more
than
most
other
demographic
groups.
Although
municipalities
do
reserve
the
right
to
create
and
pass
location-specific
legislation,
the
proposed
nuisance
Barla
has
no
language
that
directly
targets
any
particular
district
or
stakeholder
group
such
as
Queens
University
students.
The
city
recognizes
that
not
all
Queens
students
are
responsible
for
all
nuisance
parties,
which
is
why
this
bylaw
intends
to
provide
additional
enforcement
tools
for
police
all
across
the
city.
D
However,
this
bylaw
ultimately
boils
down
to
respect
and
community
responsibilities.
The
AMS
in
City
of
Kingston
need
to
be
united
and
sending
a
message
to
the
community
that
everyone,
including
students,
have
no
inherent
right
to
disrupt
public
health
and
well-being
by
throwing
large
congregations.
That
spill
out
to
the
public
domain,
impede
the
deliverance
of
emergency
services
and
risk
the
safety
of
the
safety
of
all
of
those
who
may
be
implicated
as
an
Odenton
in
the
draft
bylaw
city
staff
conducted
a
rigorous
public
consultation
period.
D
In
addition
to
the
information
session
and
public
feedback
initiatives
provided
to
the
community
city
staff
did
an
incredible
job.
Consulting
with
student
leaders
on
this
particular
issue
to
various
written
in
in-person
correspondences,
the
city
of
kingston,
never
faltered
on
its
commitment
to
be
transparent
when
appropriate,
with
the
AMS
and,
by
extension,
the
entire
undergraduate
student
body.
We
sincerely
hope
that
the
AMS
in
city
of
kingston
uses
consultative
process
as
a
best
practice
in
the
development
of
any
future
legislation
that
may
serve
to
affect
students
of
Kingston's
many
post-secondary
institutions.
D
We
firmly
believe
that
the
City
of
Kingston
would
not
intentionally
propose
legislation
that
would
seriously
alienate
students,
which
is
why
it
is
imperative
that
we
build
upon
our
strong
cross
institutional
dialogue
in
a
way
that
leads
to
the
creation
of
public
policy
that
beams
to
be
equally
as
acceptable
to
Kingston
community
members
as
it
is
for
our
student
body.
Ultimately,
we
feel
that
this
bylaw
was
served
to
help
unify
and
not
divide
student
and
non
student
community
members.
D
We
are
also
pleased
to
see
the
city's
commitment
to
an
educational
awareness
campaign
to
Conte
to
compliment
the
bylaws
implementation
phase.
We
share
a
common
commitment
to
ensuring
that
the
bylaw
is
well
communicated
to
the
public.
We
want
our
students
to
avoid
us
even
a
nuisance
party,
fine
and
equally
as
important.
We
need
to
see
a
strong
communications
campaign
to
ensure
that
this
bylaw
meets
its
objective
of
serving
as
a
deterrence
mechanism
in
accomplishing
both
of
these
tasks.
D
The
ultimate
result
will
be
less
acts
of
public
disturbances
under
the
context
of
a
nuisance
party
in
closing,
I
believe
that
this
bylaw
is
both
sensical
and
necessary,
as
it
provides
an
additional
enforcement
tool
that
bridges
the
gap
between
a
low
level
bylaw
fine
in
a
criminal
charge.
I
think
he
once
again
for
listening
to
my
address
and
would
again
wish
to
take
this
opportunity
to
thank
city
staff
for
their
partnership
with
all
community
stakeholders,
including
our
student
government.
Thank
you.
C
E
C
E
F
E
D
We've
actually
taken
two
steps
to
the
body,
so
first
was
done
through
our
democracy,
which
is
our
AMS
assembly,
which
is
our
highest
legislative
body.
I
actually
gave
a
20-minute
presentation
to
our
AMS
assembly,
which
was
followed
by
a
Q&A
session.
Our
student
leaders
were
very
well
receptive
to
the
idea.
They
asked
a
lot
of
questions
and
offer
their
concerns
that
we
relayed
to
city
staff,
which
they
addressed
promptly,
but
I
had
certain
student
leaders
asked
publicly
and
on
the
record,
how
verbal
municipalities
could
have
such
a
bylaw
in
Kingston,
while
Kingston
does
not.
D
C
H
And
and
madam
chair
just
before
miss
hitch
and
get
started
that
with
the
presentation,
I
would
just
like
to
make
a
few
comments
and
give
them
members
of
the
committee
some
background.
In
case
you
may
not
recall,
but
back
in
April
I
believe
of
last
year,
we
had
mr.
herri
kitchen
who
was
who
was
here.
H
If
we
are
successful
to
move
from
a
like
whole
tresh
hold,
if
you
wish
to
a
limb
which
has
a
bit
of
a
higher
threshold
in
terms
of
income,
it
would
allow
an
additional
over
six
thousand
people
in
our
community
to
have
access
to
these
discounts,
which
right
now
do
not
have
access
to,
and
those
members
like
in
the
community
could
be
members
of
any
age
group
and
again.
The
purpose
here
is
to
focus
on
the
income.
The
other
point
that
I
would
like
to
make
is
in
regards
to
the
the
funding
that's
being
used.
H
One
of
the
we
do
mention
the
reallocation
of
some
funds
to
some
of
our
social
programs,
and
we
would
like
to
look
at
the
implementation
of
some
of
the
programs
that
could
help
to
support
some
of
our
working,
low-income
in
the
areas
of
benefits
related
to
dental
vision
and
drugs,
which
the
city
currently
doesn't
have
that.
But
we
think
it
would
be
a
great
incentive
to
continue
support
individuals
in
our
community
and
with
that
I'll
pass
along
to
Cheryl.
I
Thank
you,
I
need
my
glasses
now,
because
I'm,
a
Boomer
and
I'm
getting
old,
so
I'm,
just
gonna,
give
you
some
highlights
from
the
report.
You've
actually
received
two
reports,
one
last
April,
and
now
this
one
following
are
Kant's
rotation
process,
so
I'm
just
gonna,
give
you
a
few
slides
with
some
highlights
to
remind
you
of
some
of
the
things
miss
hurdle
just
spoke
to
so
there's
really
three
goals
that
we
were
trying
to
achieve,
one
is
to
increase
access
to
discounts
for
those
living
in
poverty
and,
as
miss
hurdle
mentioned.
I
Certainly
right
now
our
threshold
is
very
low
and
there's
a
lot
of
low-income
people
who
can't
access
the
income-based
discounts,
even
though
they
are
definitely
by
anyone's
assessment
living
in
poverty.
The
next
is
to
focus
the
discounts
on
those
in
the
greatest
financial
need
right
now
we
have
both
age
based
and
income
based
discounts
and,
lastly-
and
you
know
equally
important-
is
to
make
the
discounts
more
accessible.
We've
had
concerns
with
the
number
of
people
who
are
accessing
the
discounts
that
could
access
them,
so
we're
certainly
trying
to
make
improvements
to
the
process.
I
Just
a
quick
reminder.
What
our
population
looks
like
and
how
it's
changed
over
time,
the
line
in
the
chart
is
2006
and
you
can
see
that
we
boomers
are
getting
older
and
the
other
thing,
that's
not
as
easy
to
tell
is
the
horizontal
line
is
getting
longer.
Thankfully,
people
are
living
much
longer,
so
that
population
grows
both
ways.
I
So,
as
I
said,
the
first
goal
is
to
increase
access
and,
as
commissioner
hurdle
mentioned,
we're
proposing
to
move
from
the
like.oh
to
the
limb
I
put
on
this
slide.
The
amounts
for
a
single
person,
but
both
the
like.oh
and
the
lamb
are
based
on
the
number
of
people
in
the
household.
So
there's
a
sliding
scale.
The
numbers
go
up
based
on
the
number
of
people
in
your
household,
but
just
for
comparative
purposes.
I
You
can
see
the
number
of
people
in
the
different
age
cohorts
in
the
orange
that
qualify
as
being
poor,
based
on
the
like,
oh
and
then
the
change
for
the
limb
and
notably
you
can
see
for
those
65
and
over
on
a
fixed
government
income.
The
province
uses
the
limb
as
kind
of
its
calculating
tool,
so
a
significant
number
would
now
qualify
and
we
regularly
turn
people
away.
I
Who
were
you
know
a
thousand
dollars
over
the
like,
oh,
but
would
definitely
qualify
under
the
loom
so
focusing
the
discounts
on
discontinuing
offering
discounts
to
young
adults
and
seniors
who
have
income
above
the
limb
after
to
earth
II?
Yes,
the
limb
after
tax,
you
can
see
what
the
percentages
work
out
to
across.
That's
the
green
bars
and
the
red
circles
indicate
those
people
who
would
no
longer
be
receiving
discounts
because
their
income
is
higher
than
the
limb
threshold.
I
So
the
next
goal
was
making
discounts
easier
to
access
and
certainly
we're
looking
at
a
number
of
things,
we're
working
on
an
online
application
process.
So
people
don't
need
to
leave
the
warmth
of
their
living
room
to
apply
and
to
receive
approval,
doing
the
in-person
applications
at
a
number
of
other
locations
right
now
you
can
only
get
access
to
the
program
of
housing
of
social
services,
and
we
know
that's
a
barrier
for
people
to
physically
get
to
360
view
Montreal,
so
we'll
be
doing
it.
Take.
I
For
example,
at
the
New
Reno
Heights
Community
Center,
we've
talked
to
the
Senior
Center
about
doing
intake
in
person
there
and
really
going
to
where
people
are
so
they
don't
need
to
make
that
extra
trip.
And,
lastly,
moving
right
now
we
do
approvals
for
a
12-month
period
we're
looking
at
expanding
that
to
a
24
month
period,
because
we
know
that
people
living
in
poverty
don't
tend
to
have
huge
income
changes
from
year
over
year.
I
So
approving
people
for
two
years
will
a
cut
down
on
the
administrative
volume
coming
through
the
door,
but
also
make
it
easier
for
people
and
here's
a
few
of
the
key
messages
that
mr.
kitchen
gave
last
spring.
I
apologize.
I
wasn't
here
for
that
meeting,
but
I
understand.
He
gave
a
very
thoughtful
presentation
and
he's
an
economist,
so
I
don't
dare
try
and
speak
to
his
comments.
I
And
then,
as
I
mentioned,
we
went
through
a
community
engagement
process.
This
fall,
the
age-friendly
Kingston
Community
Alliance
was
involved
in
the
process
from
the
beginning.
In
fact,
they
were
involved
last
spring
before
we
even
started
this
process
and
they
have
shown
their
support
for
the
proposed
changes.
Public
health
has
submitted
their
comments
in
support,
and
tonight
you've
received
a
letter
from
the
community
health
center
also
stating
support.
I
As
you
probably
heard
when
the
topic,
our
community
engagement
process
started,
we
got
a
lot
of
media
attention
from
across
Canada
did
lots
of
phone
interviews
and
radio
interviews
we
created
through
our
new
get
involved,
Kingston
site.
We
prepared
a
video.
We
did
a
frequently
asked
questions
document
to
answer
some
of
the
questions
we
knew
people
would
be
asking
without
them
asking
them,
and
we
conducted
the
survey
and
the
results
you
have
in
your
package
as
an
exhibit
tonight,
we
conducted
eight
focus
groups
with
approximately
80
participants
in
various
locations
across
the
city.
I
People
signed
up
for
those
focus
groups
both
through
the
online
application
and
in
person
at
our
recreation
facilities,
and
we
received
279
responses
to
the
survey
some
of
those
were
on
paper
and
then
inputted
and
the
ballots
were
done
online
when
we
analyzed
the
surveys.
Certainly,
the
demographics
were
representative
of
the
population
of
the
community
in
terms
of
age
and
locations.
We
actually
mapped
the
responses
based
on
their
postal
code
to
make
sure
that
we
had
responses
from
across
the
community.
I
The
only
group
that
was
under
presented
in
the
survey
responses
were
the
18
to
24
year
old
category,
so
we
did
go
through
a
process
of
weighting.
Those
responses
to
see
if
it
made
any
difference
in
the
results
and
I
can
tell
you
that
it
was
a
1
to
2
percent
difference
in
any
of
the
answers
on
the
survey.
I
I
We're
really
the
main
message,
as
we
heard
not
in
support,
but
certainly
there
was
a
strong
number
of
people
supporting
the
changes
as
be
fairer,
more
equitable,
giving
better
access
to
low-income
people
and
really
doing
the
work
that
needs
to
be
done
so
that
is
it
I'm
gonna
go
sit
down
only
because
all
of
my
notes
are
over
there
and
if
you
ask
me
a
question,
I
can't
answer.
I
might
have
it
in
my
notes.
C
E
You
I
was
just
in
a
meeting
before
this
and
and
one
of
the
senior
person
there
said
well
I'm,
not
very
keen
on
it,
because
the
low
income
is
the
old
basis.
She
thought
so
I
explained
no
we're
going
to
do
it
on
a
new
basis.
This
Statistics
Canada
Lim
at
so
a
senior
or
anyone,
would
bring
their
notice
of
assessment.
Is
that
what
they
would
need
and
that
that
shows
the
after-tax
income
and
it
so
that
that
22,000
133
is
the
after-tax
income
that
they
would
need
that
correct.
I
Through
you,
yes
answer
your
question:
it
is
thereafter
that's
actually
line
236
on
your
notice
of
assessment
that
we
use
and
it's
the
simplest
process,
certainly
out
of
all
the
programs
that
to
Montreal
that's
probably
the
easiest
program
to
access.
It
takes
about
five
minutes
and
basically
you're,
either
below
that
threshold
or
above
that
threshold
and
you're.
I
Given
a
card
that
signifies
that
you're
eligible
for
the
program
and
I
should
have
said
in
my
comments
that
we
are
still
the
only
municipality
I
can
find
in
Canada,
though,
has
a
one
window
approach
to
accessing
income
based
discounts
once
you've
got
that
card,
you
can
use
it
to
go
to
the
Grand
Theatre
and
get
your
discounted
grand
theatre
tickets.
You
get
your
pets
out.
True,
you
can
use
it
for
recreation
and
for
transit,
so
we've
tried
to
make
the
process
as
fair
and
as
simple
as
possible.
I
Certainly
some
of
the
changes
like
doing
it
online
and
being
able
to
scan
your
and
away
and
submit
it
that
way.
If
you
want
to
do
it
we'll
help
with
some
of
those
issues.
But
yes,
we
certainly
try
and
keep
it
as
simple
as
possible.
I,
don't
know,
there's
a
great
fear
from
I
heard
from
some
seniors
about
now
needing
show
verification
of
income,
but
having
them
having
not
gone
through
it.
They
don't
understand
why
the
simple
process
it
actually
is
and
that
we
don't
share
that
information.
I
E
Actually,
that's
incredibly,
that's
very
helpful
for
me
because,
of
course,
I
have
had
some
comments,
so
somebody
could
make
say
thirty,
five,
thirty
six
thousand
dollars
in
income,
but
they're
paying
say
child
support,
so
their
after-tax
income
comes
in
at
and
these
are
divorced.
Someone
who's
divorced
so
now
classed
as
single,
so
they'd
come
in
at
twenty
two
thousand
or
their
net
income
assisting
come
and
say
twenty
thousand.
It's
all
you
need
is
the
notice
of
assessment,
no
matter
what
your
and
you,
your
income
could
be
totally
dividend
income
or
something.
I
Is
based
on
the
settled
so
you
on
your
application
list,
all
the
members
of
your
household,
so
we
look
at
that
line
in
terms
of
the
comparator
based
on
the
number
of
people
in
your
household
and
the
other
piece.
I
didn't
mention
what
you
have
to
bring
in
verification.
You
live
in
the
city
of
Kingston
because
we
have
had
some
of
our
friends
and
neighbors
try
and
access
the
program
in
South,
Frontenac
and
in
loyalists.
So
that's
the
other
verification
we
ask
for
is
proof
that
your
Kingston
resident
and
proof
of
your
income.
C
C
Okay,
councillor
Hutchison,
if
you
would
wouldn't
mind
going
to
a
microphone
and
we'll
get
to
you,
I'm
gonna
have
a
question
in
the
meantime.
So
a
couple
quick
things
it
I
did
I
just
didn't
see
it,
but
in
the
report,
what
is
the
amount
of
the
discount
like?
What
are
we
looking
at
as
far
as
what
a
discounted
rate
would
various
services.
I
C
I
You
for
transit,
currently
it's
about
50%
of
the
it's
based
on
50%
of
the
full
adult
fare
for
recreation.
It
varies
depending
on
what
program
and
service
you're
accessing
it's.
You
get
an
amount
per
year,
and
actually
you
can
use
that
amount
for
whatever
programs
and
services
you
want
to.
So
it
depends
if
you're
buying
a
gym
membership
or
signing
your
child
up
for
swim
classes
or
whatever
you're
using
it
for
that's
the
way
the
program
currently
operates.
I
You
get
a
set
amount
times
the
number
of
people
in
your
family
and
you
can
use
it
for
whatever
your
family
needs
in
terms
of
recreation
so
and
then
obviously
the
pet
vouchers
as
a
set
amount.
Grand
theatre,
I
can't
off
the
top
of
my
head.
Remember
what
the
percentage
discount
is,
but
it's
a
discount
off
the
grand
theatre
percent
programs,
great.
C
I
The
question
actually,
when
I
was
out
doing
my
little
road
show
during
the
consultations.
I
did
get
some
questions
around
the
needs
assessment,
part
of
it
and
that
you
know
everyone
whose
line
236
comes
through
a
different
amount.
Maybe
in
different
situations
some
people
may
have
more
debt.
Some
people
may
have
a
disability.
You
know.
How
are
you
factoring
in
all
of
those
things
and
the
simple
answer?
Is
we
don't
factor
in
those
things?
We
don't
do
a
needs
assessment,
that
is
a
more
intrusive
process
and
basically
most
government
programs
are
moving
away.
I
Certainly,
childcare
is
the
most
recent
one
to
move
away
from
that
intensive
needs
based
and
really
just
look
at
solely
after-tax
income.
So,
whether
you
own
a
home,
you
know,
have
six
cars
in
your
driveway,
have
$50,000
of
student
debt
or
have
a
disability,
that's
causing
you
a
lot
of
extra
expense.
None
of
those
things
are
factored
in
and
until
we
find
a
way
of
factoring
those
in
without
making
the
process
either
unfair
or
much
more
complicated,
I
think
we'll
stick
with
the
way
we're
doing
it.
Great.
Thank.
F
Thank
you,
Jeff
I
just
wanted
to
ask
a
few
questions
in
order
to
clarify
what's
happening
here.
The
my
first
question
has
to
do
with
the
statement
that
seniors
in
Kingston
are
now
the
largest
and
wealthiest
age
cohort
in
the
community,
but
it
seems
that
your
own
information
says
otherwise,
if
the
figure
to
where
it
states
the
median
income
in
Kingston
for
65
years
and
over
I
presume,
that's
who
you're
talking
about
is
thirty,
two
thousand
four
sixty
three
but
the
middle
cohorts
all
have
a
higher
median
income.
I
F
I
I
When
you
compare
median
income,
the
range
of
incomes
doesn't
go
as
low
for
seniors
as
it
does
for
any
other
age
cohort,
because
the
province
has
a
minimum
amount
so
that,
when
you
look
at
how
many
people
are
in
each
of
the
income
deciles,
there
are
not
seniors
in
the
bottom
deciles,
because
the
province
of
Ontario
makes
sure
the
seniors
don't
fall
into
that
depth
of
poverty.
In
fact,
if
you're
on
social
Ontario
Works
your
income
doubles
when
you
become
65,
that's
just
the
reality
that
we're
facing.
F
H
You,
the
only
thing
I
would
know
it
is
the
egypt
base
discounts
do
not
apply
to
the
other
cohort
that
you're
referring
to
councillor
hutchins.
So
we
could
have
that
debate,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
would
not
be
relevant
in
terms
of
the
age
basis
counts,
because
the
only
cohort
that
actually
received
eh
basis
counts
are
the
the
the
one
that
would
capture
the
15
to
24
and
then
the
65
and
over.
So
if
you
look
at
those
two
cohorts
by
far
very
far,
the
65
and
over
is,
is
quite
above.
F
Send
the
first
cohort
largest
students,
people
living
at
home
students,
so
in
Kingston.
That
would
be
definitely
the
case.
So
my
other
question
is
I.
Just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
this
in
figure
6,
it's
a
schematic
indicating
the
amount
that
would
be
paid
by
the
city.
If
no
changes
were
made,
look
I
presume
because
that
said
status
quo
right
and
they
it's
compared
to
one
where
you
implement
the
changes
that
you
indicate.
F
Okay,
so
the
total
amount
is
the
status
quo,
is
six
hundred
and
forty
five
thousand
714
and
with
the
changes
for
4670,
correct,
alright,
okay,
so
the
difference
is
about
two
hundred
thousand
dollars,
and
so
that's
the
increase
we're
talking
about
here.
Okay,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
understood
what
was
being
said
here.
That's
that's
mainly
why
I'm
here
tonight
make
sure.
H
Thank
you.
I
I
just
want
a
bit
of
clarification.
So,
yes,
there
is
a
difference
between
the
two
that
so
who
are
to
stay
at
basically
with
the
same
the
same
way
we're
doing
discounts
so
both
based
on
income
and
also
based
on
age.
That's
a
total
amount
you're,
seeing
there
2026
at
six,
forty
five
thousand
dollars,
if
we're
moving
away
from
that
and
moving
to
an
income
base
only
and
moving
that
tresh
hold
from
the
like.oh
to
the
limb,
which
means
an
additional
over
six
thousand
people
of
low
income.
H
H
So
primarily,
people
that
are
working
well
on
minimum
wage
and
do
not
have
access
to
benefits
and
often
that
can
make
the
difference
between
a
person
being
on
Ontario
Works,
choosing
to
be
on
Ontario
Works
is
at
times
because
they
have
access
to
those
benefits
or
returning
to
work.
So
really.
The
intent
here
is
about
reinvesting
the
resources
and
the
dollars
into
areas
of
most
needs.
F
To
that
and
I
will
say
that
that
the
I
applaud
going
to
the
limb
is
in
the
right
direction.
Question
is
where
this
says
nothing
in
the
direction
covering
enough
people.
That's
the
emails
would
say
that
I
get
comments,
I
get
okay,
so
I'm
and
enlarging
the
number
of
coverages
of
benefits
would
be
useful
to
I.
F
Think
the
if
there's
a
problem
in
this
and
I
said
this
when
we
had
this
up
for
debate
originally,
and
that
is
what
is
going
to
be
the
cutoff
well,
the
cutoff
still
leaves
people
in
poverty
and
still
leaves
plenty
of
seniors
in
poverty.
But,
more
importantly,
it
seems
to
me
that
the
issue
is
people
that
are
relatively
that
are
above
the
cutoff
and
still
will
feel
the
loss
of
the
benefit.
So
my
question
is
this:
how
many
people
will
lose
the
benefit?
I
Sure
I
don't
have
that
number
in
front
of
me,
but
I
can
find
it
for
you
in
terms
of
those
red
circles
and
how
many
people
were
actually
accounted
for
and
the
red
circles
on
my
presentation.
But
we
do
know
that
switching
from
like
Oh
to
limb,
for
example,
for
that
over
65
population
increases
the
income-based
benefit
by
about
a
thousand
people
who
fall
in
that
gap
between
those
two
thresholds,
you're
absolutely
correct.
The
limb
is
not
the
line
of
which
you're
suddenly
out
of
poverty.
No
one
would
ever
make
that
argument.
I
F
F
F
When
we
talked
about
the
project
costs,
are
we,
including
the
forgone
transit
fares,
that
we
don't
that
people
don't
pay
like?
We
talked
it?
This
quite
rightly
talks
about
age
base
discounts
the
cost
in
terms
of
loss
for
revenues.
Our
revenue
lost
revenues
in
those
numbers.
Are
they
additional
to
those
numbers.
I
Drew
you,
madam
chair,
the
the
age
base.
Discounts
numbers
are
actually
the
differential
between
the
discounted
rate
and
what
the
full
fare
would
be
and
that's
actually
what
those
numbers
represent.
It's
it's
put
there
as
a
cost,
but
it's
really
a
lost
revenue
and
as
the
population
ages
and
more
people
become
eligible
for
it.
That's
why
the
number
increases
over
time
and
that's
on
the
assumption
that
the
same
number
of
same
percentage
of
that
population
will
be
riding
the
bus
over
time.
F
I
appreciate
the
I
just
read
that
I
understood
that
the
lost
revenues
are
part
of
those
revenue
numbers
and
okay.
So
it
makes
my
next
statement
kind
of
difficult
because
we're
not
actually
taking
that
money
and
we're
not
actually
losing
it.
The
person's
on
the
bus
in
the
middle
of
the
afternoon,
the
bus
isn't
fault,
we're
not
really
losing.
F
C
H
You
and
counsel
Kenda
both
counsel
could
choose
to
provide
services
for
free
overall
as
well,
so
those
options
are
always
there
for
counsel
to
to
implement.
What
we
were
trying
to
do
here
is
not
I
know.
The
focus
seems
to
be
on
the
amount
of
money
and
how
much
we're
trying
to
save
to
to
reinvest
elsewhere,
but
but
I
I'm
gonna
be
quite
quite
honest,
that
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
here
is
an
acquittal
system.
H
At
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
not
about,
surely
the
the
amount
of
money
in
total
it's
more
about,
should
people
that
are
making
thirty
two
thousand
dollars
a
year
with
a
child
but
they're
only
forty
years
old
should
they
pay
for
the
senior
person
that
might
be
67
and
traveling
to
Florida
during
the
summer
said
that
person
pay
that
mother
with
a
child
because
she
hasn't
yet
deserved
it.
She
hasn't
reached
65.
H
F
F
If
you
have
some
sense
of
equity
or
equality,
and
then
you
know
you're
going
to
find
that
argument
attractive,
right,
I
think
the
issue
here:
it's
not
really
it's
not
really
examined
here,
but
the
real.
The
real
issue
here
is
and
I
want
to
make
it
clear.
It's
the
modestly
income
senior
that
is
above
the
limb.
If
we
get
pushed
back
on
this
and
I
look
to
my
fellow
politicians
here.
F
That's
where
it's
gonna
come
from
and
you've
already
got
it
I've
received
it
I
know
others
have
received
as
know
because
I
hear
them
talking
right
in
the
hallways
right.
So
so
and
I'm
not
saying
the
person
is
making
sixty
six
thousand
dollars
a
year
on
some
pension
and
investments
in
that
is
really
up
there.
My
level
of
concern
and
many
of
them
aren't
looking
for
a
discount
and.
F
You
know
well
I'm
getting
the
question.
The
question
is:
I
think
that
we
need
do
not
need
to
look
at
what
happens
to
the
modestly
income
person,
who
is
at
twenty
five
thousand
or
even
thirty
thousand,
because
the
universal
benefit
covers
them,
and
that's
my
concern
and
I
just
wanted
to
come
to
this
committee
meeting.
Make
it
clear
exactly
what's
the
issue
here:
okay,.
H
Thank
you
so
three,
madam
chair,
I,
think
if
we're
going
to
look
at
seniors
that
might
have
more
modest
incomes,
we
need
to
look
at
all
individuals
that
have
more
modest
income.
I
I
do
appreciate.
Seniors
can
be
vocal
and
I.
Do
appreciate
that
seniors
tend
to
be
quite
active
and
involved
in
certain
processes.
I
get
that,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
from
a
staff
perspective,
we
have
maybe
a
little
bit
different
role
than
counselors
I
understand
we
what
we
would
do
or
what
we
would
suggest.
H
If
counsel
is
interested
at
looking
at
a
different
tresh
hold,
we
would
suggest
that
that
tresh
whole
be
applied
to
individuals
of
all
ages,
regardless
it
shouldn't
be
from
our
perspective.
It
should
not
be
about
age,
it
should
be
about
income.
So
if
$25,000
is
a
threshold,
that
counsel
would
like
us
to
look
at.
We
can
run
some
numbers
and
see
what
that
looks
like.
But
what
we're
saying
is
we
don't
really
understand
why
it
would
apply
to
65
and
up,
and
not
the
youth,
for
example,
which
we
already
know
in
our
community.
H
B
Thank
you
Mary
my
question
in
Parador
cities,
so
we
saw
that
Toronto
is
thinking
about
maybe
eliminating
the
transit
discount
to
seniors
and
that
London
already
has
as
of
January
1st
2018.
What
about
our
comparators,
like?
What
discounts
are
they
giving
to
seniors
I,
read
an
article
that
in
Whitby
they
were
giving
25%
discount
on
admission
to
the
town's
act
with
fit
programs,
and
so
I
just
wonder,
and
that's
in
Whitby,
which
is
I,
know
one
of
our
comparators.
So
what
our
comparator
cities
doing.
I
I
This
is
the
City
of
London
is
one
that
has
recently
made
that
change
with
respect
to
transit.
Bc
ferry
service
has
now
started.
Charging
seniors
for
ferry
rides
for
a
long
time.
The
ferry
was
free
to
seniors.
So
you
know,
I
can
name
some
communities
there
looking
at
it,
but
in
terms
of
actually
changing
policy,
we're
at
the
front
end
of
that
discussion,
but
based
on
the
media
to
detention
that
we
want
nationally
when
this
first
started
in
her
was
a
very
engagement
there's.
I
Certainly
a
lot
of
interest
in
it
and
I
did
actually
get
responses
to
the
survey
from
across
Canada.
We
didn't
factor
those
into
our
results
for
obvious
reasons,
but
many
people
from
across
Canada
saw
the
value
in
making
the
change
and
I
heard
comments
like
the
time
has
come
for
this.
You
know,
City
of
Ottawa,
for
example,
is
considering
it,
but
they
have
an
actually
action
date.
Yet
great.
C
C
C
Okay,
so
we
have
a
recommendation.
I
will
read
it
that
the
administrative
policies
committee
recommend
that
council
approved
the
elimination
of
municipal
age
based
discounts,
effective
January,
1st
2019
for
all
city
programs,
except
transit,
which
will
come
into
effect.
January
1st
2020
that
the
income
limit
for
the
my
Kingston
municipal
fee
assistance
program
be
increased
to
the
statistics.
C
Canada
low-income
measure
after
tax,
effective
January,
1st
2019,
and
that
all
remaining
funds
utilized
to
support
the
age
based
discounts
be
direct
redirected
to
support
poverty
initiatives
in
the
community
and
that
staff
continue
to
make
operational
improvements
to
the
my
Kingston
program,
including
the
creation
of
an
online
application
portal
and
moving
to
a
two-year
eligibility
approval
to
make
it
more
accessible
to
all
low-income
residents
in
the
community.
I
have
a
move.
Please
move
by
councillor,
Schell
seconded
by
councillor
canden
any
further
discussion.
E
E
They
would
become
eligible
for
these
discounts
automatically
seniors,
and
we
know
that
statistically,
young
people
are
the
ones
that
are
struggling
and
even
though
the
income
looks
great
for
the
ages
sort
of
from
30
to
65.
That's
when
you
have
children
and
you're
trying
to
buy
a
house
or
trying
to
pay
rent,
sending
kids
to
university.
E
It's
your
net
income
for
tax
purposes,
so
this
just
makes
total
sense
to
me
as
we
accept
the
fact
that
seniors
have
changed
the
whole
that
whole
idea
that,
if
you're
on
Ontario
Works
and
then
you
become
65,
you're,
suddenly
rich
compared
to
what
you've
been
for
years,
we've
been
good
to
seniors
in
this
country
and
I'm
one.
So
I
certainly
agree
with
that.
But
this
this
is
an
excellent
idea
and
I'm
fully
supported.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Anyone.
B
Else,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
on
my
finger
Hutchinson
raised
I'm
that
good
how
many
people
would
lose
the
benefit
and
so
a
question
to
our
clerk.
This
is
a
special
meeting
until
we
get
the
answer,
would
we
be
allowed
to
defer
it
like
an?
We
know
that
we're
meeting
again
in
March,
it's
like
a
regular
meeting.
So
are
we
allowed
to
defer
a
special
meeting?
Certainly.
I
Thank
you
through
your
madam
chair,
to
answered
the
question
and
I'd
like
to
confirm
this
with
less
than
my
calculator
on
my
phone.
It's
about
30,000
people
when
you
add
the
people
who
will
no
longer
get
any
HBase
discount
between
18
and
24
and
the
population
over
65.
It's
about
30,000,
but
I'll,
give
you
a
more
concrete
amaro
when
I
can
confirm
it.
Okay,
I
just.
H
I
B
Well,
I
was
still
wanna
know
before
hi
folks,
so
I'll
just
move
a
deferral,
but
if
it
passes
is
it
possible?
We
could
get
the
answer
well
before
the
March
meeting,
so
we
can
still
think
about
it
and
assess
it
instead
of
the
native
okay,
so
I
will
move
deferral
until
the
March
meeting.
I
can't
remember
what
like
that
is.
March
8th,
maybe
thank
you.
Okay,.
C
B
I
still
have
the
flirt:
yes,
okay,
so
I've
supported
low.
You
know
like
anything,
to
help
the
low
income
since
2006.
I
know
that
for
councilor
Hutchison
every
time
at
least
twice
when
he
raced
it
at
Council
to
even
try
to
increase
the
minimum
number
of
years
that
a
landlord
has
to
keep
a
unit
affordable.
We
tried
to
increase
that
from
15
years
to
20
years
twice
and
even
though
it
lost
I
supported
it
and
I
was
one
of
the
votes
for
it,
but
for
this
I
cannot
support
it.
B
Even
though
I
know
it
will
help
low
income
people
it's
because
it
directly
targets
the
middle
class
and
lower
middle
class,
and
that
represents
you
know
a
good
portion
of
my
district
for
see
KWS.
They
did
a
special
two
weeks
ago,
interviewing
the
Kingston
seniors
Association,
which
were
not
one
of
the
you
know,
associations
affiliations
mentioned
in
the
report.
B
They
said
that
we've
encouraged
anyone
who
has
called
our
Association
to
contact
their
city
councilor,
because
this
is
really
a
political
issue
right
as
a
municipal
issue
and
the
Association
isn't
taking
a
stance
on
this,
because
it's
a
Minnesota
funded
program
that
has
no
connection
with
our
association,
so
the
people
in
my
district,
they
have
definitely
contacted
me.
I've
heard
them
through
emails
through
phone
calls
and
it
hasn't
been
nice.
It's
been
awful
listening
to
them
and
I
sent
their
report
to
the
ones
that
emailed
me.
B
I
sent
the
report
out
when
it
became
available
on
the
weekend,
and
you
know
their
comments
are
still.
You
know,
they're
against
it,
and
there's
just
so
many
reasons
why
I
do
think
like
councillor
Hutchinson
kind
of
mentioned
it
for
the
high
income,
people
that
are
seniors
in
in
Kingston,
I
think
a
lot
of
them
don't
use
the
subsidy
anyway
right
in
the
wintertime.
B
B
A
lot
of
the
seniors
are
using
them
Vista
fitness
club
during
the
day,
and
they
said
that
if
we
lose
our
discount,
it's
already
higher
than
a
lot
of
private
clubs.
So
if
they
lose
the
discount,
then
they're
just
gonna
go
to
Planet
Fitness,
which
right
now
is
having
that
special
$5
down
$10
per
month.
B
A
lot
of
my
friends
go
to
fit
Planet
Fitness,
and
so
now
what
could
happen
is
we
could
lose
some
of
our
you
know,
revenues
at
our
fitness
centers
and
have
to
now
increase
the
tax
subsidy
to
our
fitness
centers,
because
more
people
are
going
to
private
places
because
they're
losing
the
little
benefit
of
the
seniors
discount
to
this
fitness
center.
So
you
know,
I
just
cannot
support
it
about
the
online
survey.
I
know
it
says
that
95
percent
of
all
Canadians
have
the
Internet
my
mom
and
dad
they
live
in
Brampton.
B
So
it's
not
biased
here
in
Kingston,
but
they're
80
and
they
do
have
high-speed
internet.
But
my
mom
only
knows
how
to
email-
and
my
dad
only
knows
how
to
Google
cast
in
Europe,
so
they
would
never
be
able
to
figure
out
how
to
do
an
online
survey,
but
they
are
one
of
those
95%
of
Canadians
that
have
internet
service
and
so
I'm.
You
know,
I,
do
like
how
you
say
in
the
report
will
try
to
expand
the
intake
process.
Do
more
outreach,
you
know,
have
applications
for
these
discount
programs
available
at
more
places.
B
J
Thank
you,
and
through
you,
I'm
torn
on
this
one
like
counselor,
Oh,
Sanok,
I
heard
from
so
many
people
on
it
and
to
me
I
definitely
understand
what
the
intent
is
and
I
support.
The
intent
I
think
the
tourney
is
that
how
this
is
being
perceived
in
the
public
is
we're
taking
something
away,
we're
not
necessarily
giving
it
to
the
people
that
need
it
most
and
so
I.
J
J
Are
we
robbing
Peter
to
pay
Paul,
because
these
people
that
access
the
fitness
centers
and
a
lot
of
our
other
things,
which
comes
as
revenue,
is
some
of
them
and
it
will
no
longer
go
because
they're
$1000
above
the
income
threshold
and
it
kind
of
sounds
like
we're,
not
100%,
sure.
There's
a
twenty
five
thousand
is
a
thirty
is
a
thirty
five
thousand.
J
But
the
biggest
frustration
is
it's
just
not
being
properly
understood
at
there,
so
I'm
open
to
ideas,
but
as
it
stands
right
now,
it's
like
I'm
torn
I.
Don't
think
I
can
support
this
at
this
point,
because
the
vast
majority
of
people
don't
understand
it
and
I
feel
like
if
we
just
go.
Go
ahead
with
this
without
people
understanding
it,
it's
just
not
a
positive
thing,
especially
when
we've
just
come
out
with
this
brand-new
public
engagement
framework
and
you're
gonna
have
once
this
happens
to
night
house,
and
then
it
goes
to
council.
J
Then
you're
gonna
see
basically
everybody's
phone
light
up
and
it'll
hit
the
news
and
it'll
hit
primetime,
and
then
all
the
people
who
don't
understand
it
are
gonna
really
all
of
a
sudden,
come
to
the
forefront
so
I
think
with
that
we've
had
a
little
bit
of
a
Miss
as
to
how
this
is
interpreted
by
the
public
and
I.
Don't
know
if
there's
a
way
to
go
back
and
do
that
again,
but
other
than
that.
It
really
basically
makes
me
torn
on
it
because
I
agree
with
the
initiative.
I
just
don't
know.
G
G
G
G
Maybe
sometimes
they
like
to
create
controversy
because
they
try
to
sell
newspapers.
I
have
no
idea,
but
I
think
this
might
be
one
of
those
ones
but,
and
it
might,
it
might
not
be
good
for
a
few
weeks,
but
long
term
I
think
supporting
a
motion
like
this
is
actually
better
for
helping
the
people
who
actually
need
it
and
that's
what
it's
all
about.
So
I'm
gonna
support
the
motion
and
I
think
that
logic
is
on
my
side.
G
C
C
You
this
is
my
first
municipal
chairing
the
committee,
so
I
hope
so,
yes,
I'm,
happily
supporting
this
recommendation.
I
know
that
it
seems.
I
know
that
many
members
of
the
public
have
been
upset
by
this
in
some
way
or
another
and
I
find
and
I'm
I'm.
Sorry
about
that,
I'm
I'm,
sad
that
that
is
the
case.
I
wouldn't
want
the
feelings
expressed
at
some
of
the
consultations.
C
Age
based
discounts
in
general
were
ways
not
ways
to
encourage
members
of
a
certain
demographic
to
be
more
active
or
to
introduce
them
to
transit,
for
example,
if
they'd
never
taken
transit
before
or
to
introduce
them
to
exercise
for
their
benefit
and
for
the
benefit
of
all
of
us.
Essentially,
if
everyone
is
healthier,
so
I
think
those
incentives
are
good
and
I'm
glad
that
the
programs
have
have
had
that
as
a
cause
along
the
way,
but
and
I
would
of
course
like
to
see
more
I
would
love
to
see.
C
For
example,
free
transit,
I
agree
with
councillor
Hutchison.
It
would
be
wonderful
to
be
able
to
bump
that
threshold
up
even
more
to
get
to
an
income
base
where
we're
not
really
just
looking
at
low
income,
but
we're
looking
at
we're
looking
at
those
who
are
in
that
range,
where
they're
struggling
with
the
demands
of
work
and
family
and
built
like
one
bill,
can
sort
of
put
them
over
the
edge.
C
And
since
there
is
no
needs
assessment
involved
in
this
I
think
a
higher
higher
threshold
would
be
good,
but
we're
not
we're
not
having
that
discussion
yet
so
in
general,
I'm,
really
I'm,
proud
and
pleased
of
all
the,
but
all
the
work
that
went
into
this
it.
Of
course,
we
will
hear
from
angry
residents.
C
K
H
Sorry,
madam
chair,
the
the
next
report
on
the
agendas
in
regards
to
the
nuisance
party,
bylaw
and
basically
I
just
want
to
make
a
few
opening
comments
and
then
we'll
let
mr.
Kosan
actually
go
through
a
bit
of
briefing
on
the
report
and
I.
Think
mr.
Hollin
commented
earlier
in
regards
to
the
extensive
outreach.
H
That's
been
done
not
only
with
the
Student
Association,
but
there's
been
I,
wanted
to
reassure
members
of
the
committee
that
there's
been
work
done
as
well
with
the
landlord
Association
because
they
did
come
forward
and
express
some
concerns
initially,
as
the
particular
by
law
does
provide
for
the
ability
at
at
some
point
in
the
process
to
actually
put
a
fine
to
landlord
as
well.
So
there's
been
quite
a
lot
of
outreach
done
through
this
process
in
a
research
as
well
and
with
that
I'll
pass
it
on
to
to
mr.
Kosan
to
walk
through
the
details.
L
You,
commissioner,
so
in
in
developing
this,
this
draft
bylaw,
we
really
focused
on
the
cities
of
Guelph
and
London,
looking
to
them
to
serve
as
a
framework
for
our
bylaw
we've
provided
some
changes
in
regards
to
providing
greater
clarity
and
for
stability.
We've
also
taken
into
consideration
a
number
of
the
suggestions
that
we've
received
in
our
public
consultation
process
and
in
our
stakeholder
meetings.
So
Authority
is
given
to
the
Chief
of
Police
or
their
designate
to
declare
a
large
social
gathering
or
a
party
to
be
a
nuisance
party.
L
So
this
is
characterized
by
one
or
more
of
a
list
of
criteria
that
you
would
expect
to
see
it
at
a
large
social
gathering.
It's
included
in
the
report
just
to
highlight
a
couple
of
them,
so
public
intoxication
the
obstruction
of
vehicular,
pedestrian
traffic
or
use
of,
or
entry
upon,
a
roof
not
intended
for
such
occupancy.
So,
while
a
single
criterion
from
this
list
is
is
required
to
be
present,
or
only
one
is
required
to
be
present,
we
would
expect
that
more
than
one
element
would
be
present
in
most
cases
when
dealing
with
this.
L
This
bylaw.
So
in
terms
of
how
this
would
work
in
practice,
police
would
arrive
on
scene.
They
would
document
and
communicate
the
information
that
they
see
at
the
scene
to
a
police
supervisor.
This
police
supervisor
would
be
a
SART,
a
rank
of
sergeant
or
higher
and
would
serve
as
the
designate
of
the
Chief
of
Police,
so
they're,
the
ones
who
are
responsible
for
the
decision
as
to
whether
or
not
a
social
gathering
or
a
large
social
gathering
meets
the
criteria
of
a
nuisance
party
and
would
declare
it
as
such
so
subject
to
that
declaration.
I
L
So
there's
some
additional
provisions
when
we
compare
it
to
the
city
of
London,
the
City
of
Guelph
that
we've
included
and
just
a
couple
to
highlight.
So
the
draft
bylaw
contains
a
provision
that
requires
landlords
to
be
notified
of
an
addition
of
an
initial
nuisance
party
occurrence
at
their
property
by
way
of
a
warning
notice.
So
this
is
intended
to
provide
landlords
with
an
opportunity
to
take
steps
and
demonstrate
that
they've
taken
steps
to
to
mitigate
future
nuisance
party
occurrences
at
their
property.
There's
also
an
opportunity
for
attendees
to
comply
with
an
order.
L
So
there
isn't
any
situation
where
an
attendee
of
a
declared
nuisance
party
could
just
be
given
a
ticket.
They
need
to
not
have
complied
with
the
order
to
leave
that
nuisance
party
so
subject
to
approval
by
the
Ministry
of
the
Attorney
General
Staff,
recommending
a
set
fine
of
$500
for
those
who
are
found
in
violation
of
the
nuisance
party
and
a
point
of
clarification.
L
As
seen
in
the
supplemental
report,
a
set
fine
of
$500
would
carry
a
provincial
II
mandated
victim
fines
surcharge
of
a
hundred
and
ten
dollars,
rather
than
the
125
that
was
included
in
the
original
report.
So
with
an
additional
mandated
court
fee
of
$5,
a
total
payable
fee
would
be
six
hundred
and
fifteen
dollars
found
in
violation
of
this
bylaw.
L
I
L
We're
seeing
in
terms
of
other
municipalities
and
their
set
fines,
so
they
range
from
$250
to
seven
hundred
and
fifty
dollars,
and
the
total
payable
fines
range
from
three
hundred
and
five
dollars
to
eight
hundred
and
eighty
dollars
with
those
additional
mandated
fees
included.
And
lastly,
I'll
just
say
that
we
recognize
that
public
education
is
a
really
important
piece
of
this
new
set
of
provisions.
So
staff
are
looking
to
work
with
neighborhood
associations.
E
If
the
police
attended
a
party
and
there's
outdoor
drinking,
which
is
against
the
law,
they
can
right
now
before
it's
declared
a
nuisance
party,
find
someone
give
someone
a
ticket
for
public
drinking.
So
things
like
that.
Don't
change,
but
I
know
that
well
I'm
from
what
I've
seen
police
aren't
really
happy
to
do
that
kind
of
thing
or
okay.
Why
don't
I
just
wait
for
that.
E
K
E
Front
there
on
the
sidewalk,
that's
correct
a
ticket,
but
the
nuisance
party
changes
police
powers,
I
mean
that's
I'm
gonna.
Try
and
explain
this
to
some
of
the
people
that
you
know
are
upset
about
things,
so
it
changes
the
power
that
if
the
superintendent
the
sergeant
says,
agrees,
this
is
a
nuisance
party.
How
does
that
change
the
power
that
you
have
to
deal
with
a
big
house
party
that
spilled
on
to
the
street?
It
would
offer
us
another.
K
Tool
in
order
to
I
guess
resolve
the
situation
that
we've
been
called
to.
Certainly
it
gives
us
another
fine
that
we
can
issue
and
it
gives
us
a
little
more
flexibility
to
deal
with
the
issue
at
hand,
but
those
will
be
circumstances
where
it's
beyond
the
normal
call
for
for
service
that
we
get
for
a
noisy
party,
it'll
be
business
as
usual.
K
We
have
circumstances
where
it
goes
beyond
by
virtue
of
the
size
or
the
I
guess
the
feeling
of
the
party,
as
you
kind
of
get
to
that
that
that
residents
for
that
place.
So
those
are
the
tools
that
we
don't
have
right
now,
that
would
kind
of
certainly
assist
us
and
I'm
sure
will
assist
our
bylaw
friends
to
to
kind
of
stop
before
something
happens
or
endanger
someone's
life.
K
E
A
big
one
for
me
that
sounds
like
is
there
are
times
when
there's
a
party
you
get
called,
you
come
everybody
sort
of
disperses
and
then
a
half
hour
later
they're,
all
back
so
I
can
imagine
if
you've
arrived
and
given
them
a
warning.
You've
got
permission
to
say
this
is
a
nuisance
party
disperse.
If
you
get
a
call
an
hour
later
that
they're
all
back
and
it's
just
as
bad,
that's
when
you're
gonna
apply
a
fine.
You.
E
G
Thank
you.
My
question
is
kind
of
similar,
like
as
it
relates
to
the
practicality
of
applying
it.
So
I
think
that
if
you
look
at
sometimes
say,
for
example,
in
homecoming
or
something
like
that,
there's
no
way
the
police
could
ever
issue
everyone
a
ticket
who
deserves
one.
So
there
may
be
people
who
are
like
drinking
on
the
street
or
something
like
that.
But
if
you
stopped
every
single
person,
you
would
problem,
there's
other
situations
where
there's
more
serious
things
happening
that
you
allocate
your
time
to
so
Mike
and
I
guess.
G
My
concern
is
like:
how
would
you
in
a
situation
like
say
homecoming?
Would
you
just
go
down
the
street
issuing
tickets
if
every
single
house
on
the
street
had
it
or
I'm
just
thinking
from
a
practical
perspective,
because
there's
probably
times
in
a
day
when
a
police
officer
says
the
book
tells
me
to
do
this,
but
the
real
situation
I
should
do
this
in
order
for
me
to
fulfill
my
function,.
C
We
have
recommendation
that
the
administrative
policies
committee
recommend
to
council
that
the
draft
bylaw
attached
as
Exhibit
a
the
draft
nuisance
party
bylaw
be
approved
and
that
pending
approval
of
the
proposed
bylaw
attached
as
Exhibit
a
the
nuisance
party,
bylaw
staff
be
directed
to
submit
the
required
sent
fine
schedule
to
the
Ministry
of
the
Attorney
General
for
approval
to
have
a
mover,
please
counselor,
shell,
excitedly
seconded
by
Councillor
Boehm
any
discussion
or
comments.
Counselor,
shell,
yeah.
E
Interestingly,
I
just
occurred
to
me
that
we
had
a
young
person
on
our
street,
who
had
a
big
party
and
I
just
realized
if
one
of
the
neighbors
had
phoned
on
him,
who
was
17
or
something
could
have
been
awful
under
the
nuisance
bylaw.
But
none
of
us
did
anyway.
So
it's
okay,
but
it's
the
the
big
ones
that
have
been
going
on
this
fall,
particularly
it
was
a
wonderful
fall
and
there
were
some
house
parties
in
a
particular
cul-de-sac
that
just
kept
going
on
and
on
and
the
neighbors
were
going
crazy.
E
It
gives
the
police
a
tool
especially
this
morning,
because
up
until
now,
from
the
years
I've
been
a
counselor,
a
warning
seems
to
be
oh
yeah,
let's
all
disperse,
and
then
they
come
back
so
I'm
really
pleased
and
I
think
there's
going
to
be
a
few
shocked
people.
But,
on
the
other
hand,
there
could
be
a
lot
of
people
the
goal
once
they
understand
I'm
sure
the
policeman
is
going
to
say.
If
you
don't
disperse
and
stay
dispersed,
this
can
be
declared
a
nuisance
party
and
you
will
get
a
very
large
fine.
E
That
is
a
provincial,
fine
and
it'll,
be
on
your
record.
So
I'm
really
pleased
that
this
is
happening
and
please
the
police
are
happy
about
it.
Actually
that
they're
happy
to
have
another
tool
because
yes,
st.
Patrick's
Day,
is
coming
and
st.
if
the
weather's
good
st.
Lawrence
is
kind
of
crazy,
too,
as
well
as
Queens,
so
we'll
see
how
it
goes
thanks.
A
lot.
C
C
We
have
no
notices
of
motions
there,
business
any
other
business.
No,
okay!
So
no
correspond.
The
correspondence
is
on
the
addendum.
The
date
and
time
of
the
next
meeting
is
Thursday.
March
8th
can
I
have
a
motion
to
adjourn.
Please
motion
to
adjourn.
Thank
you.
Council
show
a
seconder
cancer
can
an
excellent
all.
Those
in
favor
opposed
carries.