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Administrative Policies Committee meeting from November 25, 2020. For full meeting agenda visit https://bit.ly/3fHXTxl
B
B
You
can
view
the
participants
by
clicking
at
the
bottom
of
your
zoom
screen.
It
says
participants
and
then
there's
various
buttons
for
video
audio
and
raise
hand
raise
hand,
is
a
is
at
the
bottom
of
that
participant
screen
if
it's
in
a
separate
window
or
into
your
screen,
it's
at
the
bottom
of
that
as
well.
B
Yes,
so
I'm
trying
to
configure
my
skin
there
we
go.
So
I
see
we
have
five
members
of
the
committee
here,
council
hall
and
councillor
bowman
council
mclaren
councillor
chappelle
welcome
four
are
required
for
quorum.
So
if
two
members
leave
we
lose
quorum
and
I
understand
that
a
couple
members
are
under
time
pressure.
So
we'll
try
to
deal
with
the
one
item
tonight,
if
possible.
B
Once
the
item
is,
is
in
our
once,
we've
heard
from
the
public
and
we've
had
our
briefing
or
a
number
of
delegations,
there
are
people
that
wish
to
speak.
If
you're,
not
here
as
a
delegation,
you
may
still
speak,
you
still
get
five
minutes,
but
it
is
in
the
public
input
section
which
comes
after
the
briefing,
and
I
will
invite
members
of
the
public
to
speak
at
that
time.
B
Again,
you
use
your
raised
hand
function.
If
you
wish
to
speak,
the
the
purpose
of
the
recommendation
is
in
the
package
and
the
the
end
result.
If
the
committee
passes
something
tonight
is
that
it
goes
to
council
and
the
decision
lies
with
council.
So
whatever
decision
is
made
here
at
committee
is
on
the
recommendation
to
council.
Only
it
is
not
a
final
decision.
The
final
decision
rests
with
cancer.
B
A
lot
of
public
input
already
staff
will
summarize
some
of
this
in
the
briefing,
but
but
the
point
is
of
the
most
important
point
of
this
meeting
is
to
let
anyone
who
wishes
to
speak
from
the
public
to
have
that
opportunity.
Those
comments
are
recorded
by
the
clerk.
They
form
part
of
the
public
record
and
that
public
record
can
be
reviewed
by
any
member
of
council
prior
to
the
council
vote.
B
So
this
is
an
excellent
way
to
get
your
points
known.
You
may
also
submit
in
writing
to
the
clerks
at
any
time
until
the
council
vote,
so
even
after
tonight's
meeting.
Public
comments
are
in
order.
If
you
send
them
to
the
clerk,
the
clerk
will
mention
how
to
do
that
later,
so
I've
only
got
the
one
computer,
so
I'll
have
to
toggle
back
and
forth.
So
just
bear
with
me.
While
I
pull
up
the.
B
B
D
B
Addendum
which
we
will
deal
with
when
we
approve
the
agenda,
so
I'm
calling
the
meeting
to
order
for
the
agenda.
You'll
notice,
the
items
so
there's
on
on
number
five
there's
adult
there's
three
delegations.
I
believe
there
is
a
member
of
the
committee
that
would
wish
to
add
another
delegation.
That's
fine!
As
soon
as
we
move
the
agenda,
we
can
make
changes
to
it.
B
D
Three
of
mr
chair
moved
by
myself,
counselor
chappelle
and
second
seconded
by
counselor
boehm,
that
the
administrative
policies
committee
waived
section
2.17
of
the
committee
by
law
in
order
to
commit
kurt
khan
to
appear
before
the
committee
as
a
delegation,
and
that
the
agenda
be
reordered
to
permit
mr
khan
to
provide
his
delegation
prior
to
delegation.
A
so
have
him.
First.
B
B
B
B
E
A
E
F
B
B
B
So
published
today
there
was
an
addendum
correspondence
received
from
jonathan
drake
dated
november
19th
regarding
short-term
rental
licensing
program.
That
is
a
letter.
It
is
in
the
addendum
and
you
may
read
it.
I
have
not
seen
this
so
I'm
going
to
quickly
scan
over
this
I'll.
Give
the
committee
a
couple
minutes
to
read
that
item
of
correspondence.
B
B
B
B
So
we
had
three
votes
in
favor
of
the
amended
agenda,
so
it
passes
so
we
have
an
agenda.
First.
Item
of
the
agenda
is
the
confirmation
of
minutes.
There
are
no
minutes,
because
this
is
a
special
meeting.
So
there's
there
is
a
history,
but
there
are
no
minutes
to
confirm
at
this
time
before
we
speak
to
the
item
at
some
point,
even
before
after
the
briefing
I
am
going
to
ask
the
clerk
to
give
us
a
chronology
of
what
this
item
had
its.
F
B
B
C
C
C
C
C
However,
after
having
read
the
recommendations,
I
feel
that
assumption
was
challenged
and
I
was
really
saddened
by
that,
like
they
don't
hate
us,
how
could
they
they're
professional,
unbiased
and
have
the
good
of
the
city
and
this
residence
in
mind
and
all
they
do?
I
firmly
believe
that,
but
how
could
they
think
so
poorly
of
us?
C
C
Thank
you,
so
I'm
sure
we've
all
heard
about
the
confirmation
bias
it's
that
we've
already
made
up
our
minds
and
look
for
ways
to
justify
it.
It
can
be
subconscious
and
unless
we're
vividly
aware
of
ourselves,
it's
difficult
to
overcome
this,
I
struggle
with
it
myself
regularly
and
I'm
thinking
that
this
may
have
happened
here.
C
C
C
C
C
And
how
can
I
say
this
gently?
You
should
all
know
that
we
found
that
opinion
of
the
commissioner
of
community
service
intensely
insulting,
and
if
I
were
in
your
shoes,
I
would
certainly
be
upset
by
it.
If
my
staff
had
offended
my
constituents
in
that
manner,
it's
especially
hurtful
coming
from
those
whose
incomes
were
unaffected,
largely
due
to
the
taxes
that
we
had
to
continue
to
pay
on
our
properties,
even
as
our
resources
to
pay
it
dried
up.
C
One
minute
next
slide,
please
it's
if
it
was
factual
and
it
would
reveal
that
hardly
anyone
received
anything
from
airbnb
that
there
was
a
relief
fund,
but
the
host
to
receive
anything
for
the
host
to
receive
anything.
The
strictest
of
cancellation
policies
had
to
be
in
place,
one
that
no
one
chose
one
that
no
one
would
chose
that
would
deter
most
people
from
booking
in
the
first
place.
C
Next
slide,
please!
So
it's
all
too
easy
to
apply
that
confidence.
Confirmation
bias
I
mentioned
to
you
before.
We
have
all
heard
stories
of
other
places
where
crazy
parties
in
human
trafficking
or
dark
streets
are
around
every
corner,
but
this
is
kingston
and
all
the
dark
imagings
listed
in
the
report
are
fictitious,
they're
not
based
on
actual
happenings
here,
but
what
has
taken
place
at
urban
centers
that
attract
a
different
kind
of
guest
to
assume
that
this
is
the
case
here
seems
devious
and
nefarious,
as
if
we're
being
deliberately
mischaracterized
and
discredited
to
you
all.
C
There
are
some
valid
criticisms,
but
no
host
would
deny
them
and
if
they
were,
if
they
had
existed,
we
should
root
them
out
and
apply
the
full
extent
of
our
punitive
measures
to
them,
which
would
be
easy
since
they
already
exist.
We
don't
need
any
new,
oppressive,
draconian
bylaws
to
do
nothing
but
fuel
the
ill
will
and
harm
the
city.
In
the
end,
the
spirit.
B
G
G
Sort
of
penalized,
financially
and
through
regulation
going
from
the
staff
report,
so
I
would
ask
you
to
elaborate
on
that
and
provide
perhaps
your
perspective
on
taxation
and
regulation
of
other
businesses,
whether
they
be
in
the
city
of
kingston
or
or
wherever
else,
and
simply
put,
I
guess,
is
it:
is
it
that
you're
opposed
to
any
kind
of
regulation
or
taxation
of
business?
Or
is
it
that
you
feel
that
somehow,
through
airbnb,
which
is
a
multinational
corporation,
that
local
residents
are
being
targeted
by
regulation,
despite
what's
happening
in
other
jurisdictions,.
C
Thank
you,
councillor,
holland.
I'm
sorry,
I
wasn't
able
to
finish
my
presentation,
and
I
did
address
that.
I
sorry
I
was
a
little
nervous,
but
you're
you're
right
we're
not
abs,
absolutely
not
opposed
to
any
regulation
or
attacks
on
us.
Actually,
we
voluntarily
and
will
willingly
pay
that
that
is
not
the
issue
at
all.
Here
we
want
to
contribute
to
our
city
in
any
way
that
we
can.
C
This
is
what
we
object
to,
and
the
staff
report
to
us
seem
to
center
on
that
that
we
are
these
people
that
are
going
to
try
and
circumvent
the
laws
and
try
and
get
under
the
fly
under
the
radar
and
take
whatever
we
can
when
that
is
absolutely
the
furthest
from
the
truth.
We
want
to
pay,
we
want
to
contribute,
but
we
have
a
system
in
place
that
will
do
this.
C
This
takes
the
whole
step
away
from
us
if
it
wasn't
something
that
we
had
to
do
ourselves
to,
you
know,
collect
this
money
like.
Firstly,
we
don't
even
have
have
to
interact
with
guests
in
the
monetary
sense
that
all
goes
through
airbnb.
We
actually
don't
ever
see
any
of
the
money
directly
from
the
guest.
It's
it's
against
their
policies.
C
It
goes
to
airbnb
and
then
airbnb
distributes
it
to
us
afterwards,
and
it
would
be
absolutely
easy
to
just
take
that
four
percent
and
send
it
to
the
city
and
for
the
small
amount
of
people,
and
I
hear
that
you
know
like.
Maybe
there
will
be
people-
I
I
don't
know
them
and
none
of
the
people
that
I've
interacted
it
would
ever
want
to
circumvent
this.
But
if
there
were
those
people
that
say
didn't
aren't
on
the
airbnb
platform,
we
could
make
something
easily
available
to
them.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
this
way
as
well.
E
D
Chair,
I
understand
you
said
that
saga
is
one
of
the
communities.
Are
you
aware
of
other
communities
nearby
or
similar
size
to
kingston
that
may
actually
offer
airbnb
offering
this
service?
I
I
did
read
once
that
the
whole
province
of
quebec,
saskatchewan
and
bc
use
airbnb
for
their
collection
of
the
attacks,
but
you
know
of
any
neighboring
communities
that
might
also
provide
the
service.
C
The
only
one
that
I
can
think
of
council
spell
is
the
is
brockville.
I
believe
I
have
not
really
verified
like
you
for
me.
It's
hearsay,
I've
heard
of
these
things,
but
in
order
to
actually
have
those
confirmations
I'd
be
hesitant
to
say
that
that
these
particular
ones
did.
I
have
heard
the
places
that
you've
that
you've
mentioned
mississauga,
because
I'm
from
there
originally
is
one
of
the
ones
that
I
kind
of
follow.
C
D
B
H
H
H
This
report
would
impose
an
expensive
licensing
regime
on
all
str
hosts
for
no
stated
purpose
beyond
providing
her
department
with
unspecified
quote.
Additional
tools
for
nuisance
related
impacts
already
covered
by
existing
bylaws.
The
report
claims
to
align
with
the
city's
theme
goal
of
increasing
housing,
affordability,
to
which
none
of
its
recommendations
are
actually
relevant.
H
My
this
is
actually
a
little
out
of
sequence.
Yes,
this
is
it.
The
many
references
to
having
consulted
with
homeshare
hosts
are
misleading.
This
summarizes
what
what
actually
happened.
In
nine
months,
we
had
less
than
eight
hours
of
interactions
with
the
bylaw
team.
Only
the
august
sixth
meeting
included
real
consultation
during
the
final
30
minutes.
The
manager
of
licensing
enforcement
showed
he
had
been
listening
and
shared
preliminary
ideas
based
on
our
input,
which
might
have
led
to
an
agreed
solution.
H
H
They
they
were
closed
to,
follow
further
input.
I
therefore
submit
that
this
committee's
direction
to
consult
was
not
adequately
discharged.
Staff
unwillingness
to
explore
mutually
acceptable
solutions
leaves
impacted
residents
with
no
alternative
but
to
escalate
our
concerns
to
counselors,
which
is
highly
disrespectful
of
your
time.
H
Community
services
and
you
could
start
the
next
series
of
slides
community
services
appear
to
define.
Consultation
is
merely
listening
to
submissions
from
impacted
residents,
which
they
can
then
ignore.
Behind
closed
doors,
there's
zero
opportunity
for
critical
review
of
the
evidence
for
exploring
potentially
more
effective,
less
harmful
alternatives
and
for
and
for
negotiating
the
details
which
are
hidden
from
us
until
six
days
before
council.
H
Sub-Optimal
recommendations
are
inevitable
in
part,
because
the
process
fails
to
benefit
from
deep
subject
matter:
expertise
of
those
being
regulated.
The
bylaw
proposal
extends
enforcement
authority
to
agents
of
the
city.
That
means
employees
of
private
corporations
would
have
the
right
to
enter
my
principal
residence
uninvited.
I,
for
one
would
refuse
to
participate
simply
by
changing
our
minimum
stay
to
31
days,
thereby
no
longer
being
an
str
host.
We
reject
the
imposition
of
private
sector
surveillance.
H
B
H
Okay,
I'm
going
to
have
to
skip
a
skip
ahead.
Then,
let's
go
to
the
final
slide,
you're,
probably
as
tired
as
us
of
this
year-long
ordeal,
which
has
yet
to
produce
any
recommendations
with
benefits
that
exceed
costs
decades
in
senior
roles
at
the
federal
level
taught
me
that
it's
often
easier
and
more
effective
to
terminate
a
problematic
project,
replacing
it
with
a
better
framed
fresh
start.
This
is
one
of
those
times
as
one
of
your
fellow
counselors
aptly
put
it.
H
That
will
get
us
through
the
pandemic,
after
which
an
objective
assessment
would
determine
if
it's
sufficed,
by
taking
the
simpler
rote
you'll
immediately
free
yourselves
and
us
from
this
painful
time-consuming
process,
while
earning
our
gratitude,
not
to
mention
our
votes
in
the
next
election.
Thank
you.
B
B
D
H
Yeah
because
we
basically
don't
collect
money
from
our
guests,
the
whole
system
is
set
up
so
that
to
prevent
us
from
from
doing
so.
Guests
pay.
Airbnb,
no
money
comes
from
us
comes
to
us,
so
we
don't
collect
money
that
could
be
used
to
pay
them
out.
It
makes
far
more
sense
to
have
airbnb,
who
are
the
collectors
of
the
money
to
to
pay
the
to
pay
the
city
directly
and
at
no
cost.
You
know
that
covers
85
percent
of
the
problem.
H
What
I
recommend
is
is
for
the
other
15
percent,
to
to
use
self
self
remittance
on
on
a
city
website
the
the
the
worry
that
somehow
airbnb
hosts.
You
know
that
would
stop
move
from
airbnb
to
evade
the
tax
simply
doesn't
doesn't
wash
they
don't
they
don't
pay.
The
tax
guests
do
and
no
host
in
their
right.
H
Mind
would
switch
from
airbnb
to
to
another
service
with
with
the
mat
collection
in
place,
because
they
would
then
they
would
then
have
to
pay
the
accountants
and
the
bookkeepers
to
to
keep
those
records
for
them.
Airbnb
just
makes
it
easy,
so
we
can
focus
our
attention
on
delighting.
Our
guests,
not
on
doing
unnecessary.
E
D
H
H
Perhaps
pro
show
flaws,
like
the
obvious
fact
that
you
know
this
is
a
great
example
that
hosts
don't
collect
money
and
never
have
so.
We
can
point
out
those
flaws
early
on.
We
can
negotiate
solutions
for
them.
We
can
bring
expertise
to
the
table
that
they
don't
have,
because
they
really
don't
understand
our
business
and
I
find
it.
H
I
find
it
actually
strange
to
to
be
to
be
saying
this,
because
this
is
taken
for
granted
everywhere
else
that
in
negotiations
I
had
passed
on
to
to
staff,
and
I
don't
think
there
was
any
interest.
The
federal
treasury
board
guidelines
for
consultation
that
are
mandatory
for
all
federal
departments
and
and
agencies,
and
crown
corporations
that
really
clearly
set
out
how
you
know
you
know,
who
is
who
is
has
you
know,
has
status
to
be
consulted,
how
to
consult
the
the
back
and
forth.
This
is
nothing
like
this.
H
This
is
very
amateur
in
comparison,
and
I
think
the
city
could
benefit
by
taking
a
look
at
the
approach,
the
approaches
that
are
used
and
the
best
practices
elsewhere
and
really
establish
some
proper
guidelines
for
for
this.
So
that
there's
we
don't.
Nobody
else
goes
through
this
process
in
the
future.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Through
you,
I
guess
I
have
two
quick
questions
there.
One
would
be:
has
anybody,
mr
harling,
from
been
successful
in
reaching
out
to
airbnb
and
seeing
if
they
may
be
willing
or
capable
of
just
removing
their
axe
automatically,
and
what
fast
track
for
kingston
would
look
like?
If
that's
a
possibility-
and
I
guess
my
other
concern-
was
I've-
heard
some
other
concerns
about
how
consultations
happen
during
the
days?
I
It
definitely
does
have
its
challenges,
and
some
of
the
other
things
that
I've
also
heard
is
that
even
the
data
being
collected
during
the
consultation
be
due
to
prove
it
is
suspect
as
well,
because
you're
not
getting
a
truth
of
what
things
could
be
like
so
trying
to
bring
a
policy
in
at
a
time
where
you
have
kind
of
some
precoc
data
and
some
after
or
some
during
when
we
have
no
idea
what,
after
kobe,
is
actually
going
to
look
like
also
has
challenges.
So
could
you
just
provide
some
thought.
H
H
There
was
a
a
gap
during
the
the
summer
that
the
our
airbnb
rep
airbnb
downsized,
severely
because
their
revenues
plummeted
with
with
the
the
pandemic,
so
the
the
airbnb
rep
was
amongst
those
who
who
wasn't
kept
on
and
she
she
kind
of
disappeared
suddenly
before
we,
we
realized
that
that
she
was
she
was
gone.
But,
yes,
the
process
is
very
simple:
airbnb
has
to
meet
some.
H
Some
stringent
is
required
to
meet
some
stringent
privacy
requirements,
so
they
start
the
process
as
soon
as
a
city,
approaches
them
or
municipality
approaches
them
with
a
bylaw.
That's
that
requires
that
strs
collect
them
out.
Okay.
They
then
they
send
that
to
their
legal
department
to
ensure
that
the
bylaw
doesn't
force
them
to
violate
the
the
privacy
requirements,
and
then
they
turn
it
over
to
the
the
programmers
to
you
know.
H
Ontario
is
more
complicated
because
it's
kind
of
it's
a
lot
of
work
to
program
program
boundaries,
whereas
most
jurisdictions,
it's
it's
done
at
the
state
or
provincial
level,
and
you
know
it's
it's
it's
dead
easy,
so
they
require
about
90
days
to
to
do
that.
I
am
in
touch
with
the
new
airbnb
rep
and
they
actually
were
intending
to
try
to
reach
mr
confo
next
week
to
to
touch
base.
I
H
B
Thank
you.
Any
other
questions
for
members
of
the
committee
have
not
already
asked
your
questions,
seeing
none.
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
hartland,
and
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
delegation.
Next
up
is
beth
potter
president
ceo
tourism,
industry,
association
of
ontario
and,
like
all
delegates,
you
have
five
minutes.
Are
you
there
miss
potter.
J
I
am
here,
thank
you
very
much
for
having
me
this
evening,
just
to
start
an
introduction.
My
name
is
beth
potter,
I'm
the
president
and
ceo
of
the
tourism
industry
association
of
ontario
tayo
is
the
umbrella
trade
association
representing
all
sectors
of
the
tourism
industry.
Our
main
mandate
is
to
be
the
voice
of
tourism
hospitality
businesses
to
government
at
all
levels
to
work
with
government
on
policy
legislation
and
regulations
that
make
it
easier
to
do
business
in
the
province
and
one
that
will
lead
to
economic
growth
and
job
growth.
J
I'd
like
to
give
you
some
context
on
the
size
and
scope
of
our
industry
prior
to
covet
19
tourism
receipts
contributed
36
billion
dollars
to
the
provincial
gdp
through
200
000
businesses
and
supported
more
than
400
000
jobs.
The
industry
also
contributed
to
the
tax
revenue
at
the
municipal,
provincial
and
federal
levels,
to
the
tune
of
12
billion
dollars
combined
here
in
kingston,
tourism
supports
more
than
707
000
jobs
through
574
businesses
now
prior
to
2017
many
destinations,
including
kingston,
funded
their
tourism
marketing
efforts
by
collecting
a
destination
marketing
fee
or
a
dmf.
J
This
industry-led
initiative
allowed
the
accommodation
sector
to
voluntarily
work
hand-in-hand
with
the
destination
to
design
and
implement
strategies
and
campaigns
to
grow,
visitation
and
visitor
spend
in
the
2017
provincial
budget.
The
government
of
the
day
introduced
the
transient
accommodation
tax
act,
giving
municipalities
the
ability
to
leverage
and
collect
tax
on
accommodations.
J
This
new
tax
that
would
come
to
be
known
as
the
municipal
accommodation
tax
effectively
replaced
the
dmf
because
of
this,
the
provincial
government
allowed
for
the
collection
of
mat
to
be
shared
with
the
tourism
industry,
so
that
the
economic
growth
of
the
sector
and
of
the
local
community
could
continue
within
the
act.
Municipalities
are
able
to
determine
the
types
of
short-term
accommodation
that
the
tax
would
apply
to.
The
tax
can
only
apply
to
accommodation,
that
is
short
term
in
nature,
I.e
stays
of
less
than
30
days.
J
Unfortunately,
at
the
time
of
implementation,
many
municipalities
did
not
have
an
infrastructure
in
place.
That
would
allow
for
the
easy
inclusion
of
independent,
short-term
rentals,
like
those
offered
across
several
platforms,
including
airbnb,
vacation
rental
by
owner
and
the
various
cottage
rental
programs
that
are
existing
in
our
province.
J
J
The
short-term
rental
market,
regardless
of
ownership
type,
has
always
been
at
the
heart
of
the
tourism
economy,
and
while
people
don't
travel
to
stay
in
temporary
accommodations,
they
don't
travel
just
to
stay
in
a
hotel
room.
It
is
a
must,
if
they've
traveled
from
far
from
home,
so
by
treating
all
accommodators
with
the
same
courtesy
with
the
same
respect
and
with
the
same
business
practices,
it
will
also
help
to
unite
the
industry,
especially
at
a
time
when
we
are
working
on
rebuilding
and
renewing
our
tourism
experiences.
J
B
F
J
Well,
I
think
that
you've
got
a
really
good
example
in
kingston,
through
the
kingston
accommodation
partners,
of
how
an
infrastructure
can
work
at
the
local
level.
If
you
choose
not
to
use
a
platform
like
mari,
but
it
would
require
a
piece
of
infrastructure
that
would
allow
you
to
catalog
and
identify
and
collect
you'd
have
to
enter
into
individual
agreements
with
each
of
the
hosts,
either
on
the
ground
or
you'd
have
to
try
and
get
individual
agreements
with
the
platforms.
If
you
want
to
get
them
to
pay
directly.
J
What
we're
seeing
in
other
jurisdictions
is
that
the
platforms
themselves,
the
the
software
companies
themselves,
that
are
that
are
that
are
supplying
the
service
do
not
want
to
enter
into
hundreds
of
agreements
across
one
province.
They
don't
see
the
investment
to
be.
They
don't
see
the
return
on
the
investment
that
they
would
have
to
make
and
if
I
can
just
add
one
more
thing-
and
that
is
that
again
you
know
the
tourism
industry,
it
has
many
players.
J
You
know
its
attractions,
its
hotels,
its
restaurants,
its
its
events,
its
tours,
and
none
of
them
can
work
without
the
other
and
so
the
short
term.
Rental
market
owned
by
independent
homeowners
has
certainly
become
a
part
of
the
industry,
and
it
would
be
great
to
see
them
at
the
table.
Working
collaboratively
with
the
rest
of
the
industry.
B
My
second
question
would
be
the
benefits
of
the
mat
that
is
already
being
collected
from
the
other
part
of
the
industry.
Do
the
the
individual
hosts
that
are
that
would
be
subject
to
this
licensing
initiative?
Do
they
benefit
from
the
marketing
that
the
city
does
through
its
agencies
for
destination
marketing?
J
J
You
know
if
they're
participating
in
the
marketing
campaigns
that
they
would
see
their
business
increase,
that
they
would
see
their
bookings
increase.
If,
if
right
now,
the
city
of
you
know,
visit
kingston
goes
out
and
tries
to
get
a
conference
to
come
to
the
city
as
an
example,
the
accommodations
that
would
be
listed
would
be
those
that
are
contributing
to
the
mat.
If
the.
J
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
through
you.
Throughout
this
thing,
I
think
I've
understood
a
common
theme
which
is
not
that
airbnb
or
hosts
like
that.
Don't
pay
the
tax
it's
more
about.
How
are
they
going
to
pay
it?
So
so
would
you
agree
that
that's
that's
more
at
the
issue.
I've
never
heard
one
so
far,
in
my
experience,
say
they're
against
paying
the
taxes,
always
representation
consultation
and
how
they
go
about
paying
that,
and
I
believe
earlier
you
know.
I
One
of
the
comments
was
being
part
of
this
and
I
feel
like
based
on
what
we've
heard
from
them.
Is
that
if
we
go
ahead
with
this,
that
they're
not
going
to
feel
like
they
were
part
of
this.
So
do
you
have
any
comments
about
the
concern
that's
been
raised
with?
That
is
maybe
maybe
this
is
something
that
we
need
to
take
a
bit
more,
but
if
it's
gonna
be
a
policy
that-
and
it's
gonna
be
good.
I
The
whole
idea
is
to
make
sure
that
everybody
feels
like
they've
got
something
out
of
it
and
it
does
what
it's
intended
to
do.
Instead
of
creating
a
group
of
people
which
are
totally
resistant
and
are
gonna,
try
to
fight
it
as
much
as
possible
or
be
bitter
about
it,
and
then
that
hurts
the
entire
city
or
the
tourism
center
overall
by
creating
bad
blood
that
doesn't
need
to
keep
it.
J
Right,
I
I
absolutely
agree
that
that
they
do
need
to
feel
that
they're
part
of
the
decision-making
process.
That
is
the
only
way
really
to
win
friends
and
innovate
in
a
situation
like
this
and
if
they
haven't,
then
then
yes
go
back
and
look
at
your
your
consultation
process.
I
was
really
just
coming
tonight
to
lend
my
support
to
the
fact
that
they
should
be
included
in
the
mat.
The
fact
that
if
they
need
a
simple
process,
they
are
small
business
owners.
J
They
they
don't
need
extra
burden.
So
if
there's
any
way
that
you
can
devise
a
system
that
you
know
helps
ease
the
burden
on
them,
then
that's
the
system
that
you
should
be
looking
at
from
the
from
what
I've
read
and
from
what
I've
seen
in
other
jurisdictions.
The
proposed
solution,
the
proposed
platform
to
me
looks
like
a
good
one,
simply
because
it
is
one
system
that
covers
all
all
of
the
various
rental
platforms.
D
You're
you're
you're
chair.
My
question
is
really
related
to
the
the
as
as
a
representative,
all
of
ontario.
We
know
that
windsor
sudbury,
brockville
mississauga
all
use
air
v
ho
airbnb
to
collect
the
mad
tax.
Are
you
getting
similar
support
for
other
str's
in
those
communities
or
is
it
pretty
much?
The
bulk
of
those
communities
are
using
airbnb
and
has
it
been
a
positive
or
negative
experience
for
supporting
the
tourism
industry.
J
B
K
K
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you,
counselors,
for
the
opportunity
to
to
address
both
my
fellow
operators
and
and
the
members
of
council.
I
am
a
small
independent
operator.
I
have
a
very
small
operation
in
town.
I
appreciate
mr
khan
referencing
it
any
any
marketing
you
can
do
for
me,
mr
khan,
is
appreciated.
K
We
are
unique
in
this
marketplace.
We
do
provide
services
that
are
different
than
other
accommodators,
not
better,
not
worse,
just
different
and,
as
mr
hartling
said
wisely,
this
is
bringing
people
to
town
that
might
not
otherwise
have
come
to
town
and
his
product.
Certainly.
Does
that
mr
khan's
product
does
it
and
others
do
it?
It's
vital
that
we
have
that
mix
of
accommodations.
It's
vital
that
all
of
those
accommodators
have
the
opportunity
to
participate
in
the
success
of
this
marketplace.
K
We
need
as
small
operators.
We
need
the
support
of
larger
bodies
in
order
to
help
strengthen
this
marketplace
and
we
need
to
have
a
voice
at
the
table,
and
I
think
this
is
an
opportunity.
As
I
say,
I
won't
speak
to
process,
but
I
can
speak
to
the
opportunity
that's
presented
to
smaller
accommodators,
to
have
their
voice
heard
and
have
investment
made
on
their
part,
in
particular
around
advocacy,
expertise
and
marketing,
and
so
I
would
encourage
the
operators
to
think
very
long
and
hard
about
what
kind
of
a
real
investment
this
is.
K
K
We're
a
better,
more
diversified
marketplace
that
will
attract
more
guests
and
tourists
to
this
destination,
and
that,
ultimately,
should
be
our
goal
that
high
tide
floating
all
boats.
So
I
would
encourage
everyone
to
stay
focused
on
on.
How
do
we
get
to
yes
here?
Because
I
think
yes
is
the
only
answer
to
strengthen
tourism
in
kingston.
B
G
K
Thank
you
for
your
question
the
opportunity.
I
I'm
not
sure
that
we're
all
necessarily
aware
of
it.
Things
come
through
our
inboxes
quite
regularly,
but
both
cap
and
visit
kingston
have
been
consistently
recognized
by
third
parties
provincially
nationally,
even
globally,
for
the
quality
of
the
marketing
campaigns,
kingston
bats
above
its
weight
when
it
comes
to
tourism
and
accommodation,
now
we're
blessed
to
have
great
natural
accommodation,
great
historical
attraction
to
have
a
variety
of
accommodation
to
be.
K
You
know
in
a
natural,
a
natural
transportation
hub
where
we're
between
great
marketplaces,
but
we
also
do
a
lot
more
with
a
lot
less
than
a
lot
of
other
organizations
do,
and
I
think
it
is
the
strength
of
the
partnerships
and
and
we
would
only
be
strengthened
by
bringing
the
sta's
together.
So
I
look
at
marketing.
K
I
look
at
advocacy
the
fact
that
beth
potter,
who
is
a
very
senior
person
in
tourism
who
I've
known
for
a
number
of
years,
I
would
take
time
to
speak
to
kingston,
speaks
to
how
important
kingston
is
as
a
destination
within
the
province
and
and
how
important
it
is
to
to
get
all
the
players
on
on
site.
I
I
think
best
final
message
should
be
one
that
should
ring
in
everyone's
ears,
which
is
you
know.
B
L
Thank
you
and
through
you,
your
chair,
my
name
is
kyle
komple,
I'm
the
manager
of
licensing
enforcement
I
will
be
presenting
tonight,
along
with
my
colleagues
on
november,
8
2018
council
passed
a
motion
to
direct
staff
to
recommend
a
short-term
rental
licensing
program,
a
short-term
rental
licensing
bylaw
and
to
report
back
with
amendments
with
the
map.
Bylaw
to
include
short-term
rentals
staff
are
before
the
committee
tonight
to
present
a
supplemental
report
on
the
short-term
rental
licensing
program.
L
L
The
bylaw
presented
to
council
in
december
2019
contained
restrictions
on
short-term
rentals
that
have
been
removed
after
further
public
engagement,
str
restrictions
removed
from
the
bylaw
are
limiting
str
operation
operations
to
180
days
per
calendar
year
and
restricting
strs
to
principal
residences,
based
on
multiple
discussions.
That
happened
since
february's
meeting,
primarily
through
the
concerns
that
were
presented
by
kingston
homeshare
association
staff,
reviewed
and
amended
changes
based
on
the
feedback
that
the
program
was
too
restrictive
to
host
next
slide.
L
L
No
more
than
three
rooms,
rented
individually
sleeping,
a
combination
for
a
maximum
for
individuals
and
the
above
restrictions
would
not
apply
to
strs
that
consist
of
an
entire
single
detached
unit
rental
under
a
single
booking.
So,
if
you're
going
to
rent
out
your
entire
dwelling,
this
the
the
above
two
restrictions
would
not
apply
short-term
rental
operator.
Operators
would
be
required
to
obtain
an
annual
license
with
a
fee
of
180
dollars
per
year.
L
L
L
Please,
staff
are
recommending
that
the
municipal
accommodation
tax
bylaw
be
amended
to
include
str
accommodations.
Str
operators
would
be
required
to
charge
a
four
percent
tax
on
all
stays.
The
city
of
kingston
financial
services
department
would
be
responsible
for
collection
of
mat
from
operators
through
the
hamare
platform.
L
L
L
L
L
L
B
B
D
D
I've
heard
about
it
a
number
of
times
and
I
don't
believe
that
the
representatives
tonight
that
were
speaking
had
their
concerns
addressed.
I
don't
understand
why
we
cannot
pursue
an
airbnb
solution
for
a
stop
gap.
Measure
get
people
involved,
register,
encourage
them
to
use
that
particular
platform
and
then
work
on
a
solution
for
the
balance
of
15
percent
of
that
number
is
I'm
very
concerned,
so
I'd
like
to.
D
D
M
M
L
L
So
what
we
we've
been
told
is
that
there
is
a
minimum
90-day
time
frame
until
this
agreement
can
be
in
place.
So
what
it
is
called
is
a
voluntary
collection
agreement,
and
what
we
have
been
told
is
that
council
needs
to
pass
the
bylaw
before
airbnb
will
even
look
at
this.
On
top
of
the
fact
that
we
are
a
smaller
municipality
and,
like
our
previous
delegate
has
spoken
to,
is
that
they
need
to
see
sort
of
a
bang
for
their
buck
and
that
they're
working
for
larger
municipalities.
L
I
do
appreciate
the
fact
that
they
have
reached
back
to
us,
and
this
was
before
the
start
of
the
pandemic,
to
say
that
we
are
willing
to
work
with
you.
We
are
seeing
that
there
are
a
lot
of
municipalities
that
are
reaching
out
to
us,
because
this
is
a
new
process
for
a
lot
of
municipalities
in
the
province
right
now,
but
your
community
or
your
municipality
will
first
have
to
pass
the
bylaw
in
order
for
us
to
be
able
to
review
it
and
then
put
an
agreement
in
place.
L
N
D
B
B
Could
we
not
use
that
that
year
to
to
continue
my
laws
passed,
then
airbnb
can
look
at
it
and
then
we
can
actually
have
something
tangible
back
from
them.
Could
that
could
we
not
add
something
in
their
view
to
further
information
received
from
airbnb
regarding
their
ability
to
perform
that
function
and
because
it's
clear,
we
can't
it's
all
speculative
before
we
pass
the
bylaw
and
if
we
continue
here
at
committee,
we'll
never
pass
the
file
is.
Is
that
not.
M
Thank
you
and
for
you,
mr
chair,
certainly,
staff
would
be
happy
to
continue
communication
with
airbnb
through
this
process.
If,
if
that's
council's
direction,
we'd
be
happy
to
do
that
and
provide
any
additional
information.
We're
able
to
obtain
in
the
report
that
we
have
committed
to
bringing
back
from
a
year
from
the
time
that
the
bylaw
is
implemented.
B
G
Thank
you
yeah.
I
just
been
in
touch
with
a
host
in
the
in
the
district
I
represented.
Who
was
asking
so
most
of
this
is
the
question
on
his
behalf
about
whether
or
not
there
would
be
an
opportunity
to
have
a
conversation
with
hamari
and
hosts,
whether
whether
that
could
happen
as
a
three-way
discussion
with
the
city
prior
to
a
full
vote
of
council
on
a
bylaw.
L
A
B
B
So,
and
should
I
repeat
my
question:
yes,
so
when
you're
ready
to
answer
you,
you
press
unmute,
so
we
can
hear
you.
The
question
is:
how
is
your
platform
going
to
deal
with
the
five
or
more
different
software
platforms
that
hosts
are
currently
using
in
the
city,
other
airbnb
and
the
others,
and
how
is
it
how
how
important
is
it
to
have
one
central
platform
to
be
able
to
do.
B
P
P
P
So
these
are
huge
multinational
corporations
that
basically
control
the
inventory
of
short-term
rentals,
and
if
anybody
wants
to
attract
tourists
and
guests
to
their
rental
property,
they're,
probably
going
to
be
using
these
major
platform
sites.
Now
there
are
other
websites
that
could
happen
to
list
these
rental
pages,
such
as
kijiji
or
craigslist,
or
even
facebook.
P
Marketplace
is
also
in
the
game
now
and
it's
an
ever-changing
landscape,
so
harmari
brings
the
technical
expertise
and
experience
of
doing
the
online
investigation
and
crawling
services
to
help
bridge
the
gap
between
what
is
being
advertised
in
the
short-term
rental
marketplace
and
what
the
city
needs
to
enforce
the
rules.
So
harmari
could
assist
by
first
identifying
where
the
so
we're
gonna
crawl,
the
websites
we
also
de-duplicate.
P
P
We
will
provide
a
at
least
two
pieces
of
supporting
evidence
to
prove
that
such
and
such
person
and
is
renting
such
and
such
property.
For
for
those
that
we're
not
fully
aware,
airbnb
only
gives
you
a
little
radius
of
500
meters,
approximate
location
of
the
property
and
basically
just
the
first
name
of
the
host,
and
it's
the
only
only
after
booking
will
the
full
information
be
disclosed
to
the
guests,
so
harmari
helps
bridge
that
gap.
P
We
also
help
facilitate
the
math
tax
collection
from
what
I
understand
from
the
city
everybody's
going
to
register
through
cityofkingston.org,
and
we
will
be
provided
that
registry
and
then
we
will
be
sending
quarterly
reminders
to
collect
and
remit
the
mat
tax.
We
would
be
working
with
the
finance
department
to
support
whatever
payment
methods
they
recommend
and
we
would
help
with
the
tax
reporting.
P
I
just
have
a
few
bullet
points
that
I
was
just
jotting
down,
while
mr
khan
and
mr
hartling
were
talking
nobody's,
discussed
the
phenomenon
of
off-platform
booking
and
it's
very
important
when
we're
talking
about
a
vca
with
airbnb
off-platform
booking
has
to
do
with.
Okay,
suppose
I
book
a
site
book,
a
short-term
rental.
P
Now
I
pull
up
to
the
property
and
I
meet
the
host
face
to
face,
and
then
I
have
the
keys
and
then
you
know
I
have
to
return
the
keys
when
I
leave
and
then
and
then
the
host
is
gonna
say
how
was
your
stay?
I'd
say
great,
I'm
going
to
come
back
next
summer.
Well,
if
you're
going
to
come
back
next
summer,
here's
my
cell
number
and
you
can
book
off
platform
anytime
and
just
pay
cash.
P
So
guess
what
airbnb
doesn't
see
a
dime
of
that
money
next
summer,
that's
called
off
platform
booking
and
so
to
ensure
a
truly
level
playing
field.
Harmari
provides
analytics
to
show
when
the
property
shows
on
the
calendar
as
unavailable
versus
available,
and
that
can
help
with
revenue
modeling
and
estimation
that
would
otherwise
not
be
available
and
again
to
be
crystal
clear.
Airbnb
doesn't
see
any
of
that
money,
it's
cash.
B
L
Thank
you
through
your
chair.
I
just
wanted
to
add.
Also.
It
is
very
important
to
note
that
this
is
public
information
that
the
hamari
platform
scrapes.
This
is
not
they're
they're,
not
going
into
information
or
seeking
information
that
is
confidential.
This
is
all
public
and
in
terms
of
the
previous
delegations,
for
mr
hartling
there's
no
surprise
visits,
there's
no
enforcement
that
will
just
come
and
come
into
your
dwelling.
Unexpectedly,
we
work
with
property
owners
this.
F
B
B
D
Am
I
audible,
yeah
you're
on
it
through
your
chair?
I
guess
you
know
this
is
all
very
interesting.
The
higher
company
to
do
the
you
know
the
screening
and
what
have
you,
but
I
I
think
what
was
presented
tonight
is.
We
have
you,
know,
85
or
more
working
with
airbnb
there's
an
opportunity
here
to
look
at
the
costs
of
the
system.
That's
being
proposed,
the
extra
staffing
that's
required.
O
D
M
Thank
you,
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
in
terms
of
of
the
actual
cost,
we're
looking
at
a
fairly
small
cost
related
to
the
the
technology
components
that
that
we're
recommending
through
hamari
and
those
are
to
be
funded
through
existing
envelopes
of
money.
That's
already
been
approved
by
councils,
we're
not
asking
for
any
additional
funds
at
this
time
in
terms
of
the
staffing
complement
in
the
mat
collection.
P
Hi,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes?
Okay,
I'm
sorry.
My
camera
is
disabled,
so,
regarding
calendar,
calendar
unavailable
dates.
Yes,
of
course,
there
is
the
possibility
of
a
calendar
being
unavailable
due
to
a
personal
use
of
the
property,
I.e
a
non-revenue
generating
stay
and
also
also
the
possibility
of
a
last-minute
cancellation.
P
So,
yes,
it
is
possible
that
using
a
calendar-based
revenue,
modeling
may
overshoot
on
estimated
revenues
and,
of
course,
prices
on
that
these
days
may
vary
from
peak
to
off-peak
seasons.
That's
of
course,
revenue.
Modeling
is
modeling
and
estimation,
and
that's
what
it
is
and,
of
course,
city
staff
will
take
that
with
a
grain
of
salt.
We
don't
want
to
say
the
numbers
are
cast
in
stone.
P
We
also
have
a
review-based
model
as
well,
which
looks
at
past
reviews
and
count
and
estimates
revenue
modeling
by
nightly
stay
times,
minimum
nights
times
the
reviews,
but
reviews
also
underestimate
revenue,
because
not
every
stay
corresponds
to
a
review
being
placed
by
the
guest.
So
I
believe,
there's
just
the
thumb
in
the
wind
where
the.
B
M
Yes,
thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
just
just
in
addition.
The
one
thing
I
wanted
to
highlight
for
for
the
committee
in
case
it
it
hasn't,
been
totally
clear:
the
platform
that
we've
developed
with
that
we're
suggesting
we
develop
with
hamari
and
implement
for
the
mac
collection.
It's
it's
a
self-remittance
tool,
so
the
str
operator,
logs
on
to
a
form,
it's
some
very
basic
questions,
you're,
specifying
the
period
of
time
that
you're
emitting
the
tax
for
they
implement
into
the
to
the
spreadsheet
or
to
the
to
the
online
form.
M
The
number
of
days,
which
calculates
the
four
percent
the
number
of
days
in
the
rate.
So
it's
actually
the
operator
that
is
controlling
the
input
of
the
information.
What
we
receive
from
hamari
in
the
background
that
mr
adamer
spoke
about.
It
does
help
us
with
the
auditing,
so
we're
able
to
see
volumes
and
if
we
see
map
payments
coming
in
that
seem
very
low
or
unusual.
We
have
the
ability
to
utilize
some
other
information
from
an
auditing
perspective.
M
But
again,
we've
created
a
platform
based
on
the
feedback
from
operators
that
they
wanted,
something
that
they
would
be
in.
Control
of
of
remitting
that
information,
as
opposed
to
that
information
being
extracted
and
calculating
a
total
that
they'd
be
responsible
for
paying.
So
it's
it's
a
an
important
distinction
that
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
committee
understood.
B
Thank
you
so,
with
the
committee's
indulgence,
once
it's
moved
and
seconded
questions
to
staff
are
still
in
order,
but
we
need
to
get
the
item
on
the
floor,
so
we
can
deal
with
it.
The
council
sent
it
to
us
for
recommendation
and
staff
has
prepared
one,
but
we
can
amend
it
or
take
more
time
with
it.
Whatever
we
want
to
do
so,
we
need
a
mover
and
a
secondary
recommendation.
A
B
Okay,
so
following
procedure,
then
the
item
is
we
now
move
to
the
business
item.
We're
done
with
the
briefing
it's
confusing,
because
it's
redundant
in
the
sense
that
members
of
the
public
cannot
speak
to
the
briefing,
but
they
can
speak
to
the
business
item.
So
the
business
item,
7a,
is
the
only
business
item
here.
Questions
from
members
of
the
committee
come
first
and
then
questions
or
comments
from
members
of
the
public,
each
member
with
one
opportunity
to
speak,
but
first
we
go
to
members
of
the
committee.
Q
Hi
I'll
make
a
just
a
very
quick
comment
in
regard
to
what
counselor
mclaren
was
saying
and
based
on
the
response
from
harami.
It
sounds
like
the
the
airbnb
option.
Airbnb
obviously
has
internal
data
on
exact
night
nights
booked,
so
they
would
have
precise
information
to
tell
you
exactly
how
many
nights
were
booked
and
calculate
the
mat
tax
exactly
versus
harami's
option
they
model
based
on
what
they
see
of
your
publicly
available
calendar,
but
I
know
myself
I'll
book
off
my
calendar
for
a
full
month.
Q
If
I
go
away
to
harami,
that
would
look
like
I
have
my
unit
booked
for
a
full
month,
so
their
their
estimates
wouldn't
even
be
close
in
terms
of
calculating
the
mat
so
their
option,
you
got
to
pay
for
it,
it's
not
automatic
and
it's
imprecise
airbnb
doing
it.
It's
exact,
it's
precise
and
it's
automatic
I'll.
Let
you
guys
go.
Thank
you.
E
R
Yes,
hi.
Thank
you.
It's
crystal
claire's
from
kingston
accommodation
partners
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
so
much
to
all
of
you,
as
well
as
the
staff
who
put
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
into
this,
and
I
I
just
you
know
in
reviewing
it.
I
think
that
they've
certainly
been
flexible
and
checked
off
a
lot
of
points.
You
know
the
one
piece
that
wasn't
really
brought
up
tonight
was
the
consideration
for
all
of
those
that
aren't
coming
forward.
So
we
have
a
100.
R
You
know
str's
that
are
really
engaged
and
involved,
which
is
fantastic,
but
there
are
so
many
out
there
that
we
don't
know
about,
and
I
think
that's
kind
of
been
the
missing
piece.
I
I
really
like
the
the
conversations
we've
had
with
harmari.
I
think
the
self-remittance
is
what's
been
asked
for,
but
yeah.
That
is
an
outstanding
concern
that
I
have
about.
Just
working
with
a
group
like
like
airbnb
only
would
be
all
of
the
ones
that
we
can't
identify.
R
S
Was
there
any
inference
that
they
would
raise
the
costs
to
hosts
in
order
to
introduce
this
new
level
platform
of
accounting
to
to
the
city?
Because
I
can't
imagine
that
they're
gonna
include
that
in
all
the
accounting
that
they
have
to
do
for
nothing
and
are
they
gonna
pass
that
on
to
the
hosts,
so
we're
gonna
get
double
double
whacked,
as
it
were.
B
O
O
You
know
they
say
the
data
is
all
available
in
the
public
domain,
but
there's
data
that
all
of
us
here,
including
the
councillors
here,
have
been
a
public
domain
and
I
can
find
out
maybe
very
specific
things
about
you-
that
you
would
rather
not
know-
and
I
think
it's
number
one
treating
us
like
we're
criminals
number
two
and
the
optics
of
the
council
using
this
against
kingston
citizens
is
not
good
at
all.
I
mean
why
aren't
they?
Why
aren't
we
spying
on
hotels?
O
Why
aren't
we
spying
on
any
other
organization
that
has
to
emit
money
to
kingston?
Why
are
we
being
singled
out
as
people
that
deserve
special
treatment
and
the
fact
that
you
know
I
mean
the
guy
from
amari
sort
of
points
out
that
you
know
it's
very
complicated.
Is
this
this,
and
this
is
this
platform.
This
can
happen.
This
can
happen.
Well,
I
would
like
councillors
to
put
up
their
hands
if
they've
ever
rented
their
home
referred
to
some
friends
while
they
were
away
or
something
you
know
I
mean.
O
Obviously,
obviously
you
know
matt
tax
should
be
submitted
on
that,
but
I
mean
the
reality
is
85
percent
of
all
short-term
rentals
in
kingston
can
have
their
mat
collects
collected
directly
from
airbnb
in
a
fail-proof
method
that
we
all
agree
to
use
and
pay,
and
airbnb
has
assured
us
that
it's
no
cost
to
us
they're
doing
this
for
the
city.
As
far
as
I'm
aware
just
as
a
service-
and
I
think
I
think
it's
just
really
really
unfortunate-
that
the
city
should
consider
using
these
tactics
against
citizens.
O
I
mean
none
of
us
like
being
spied
on.
Okay,
it's
in
the
public
domain.
But
okay,
that's
that's
not
the
point
I
mean
there's
so
many
violations
of
sort
of
potential
privacy
in
the
future.
We
don't
know
what's
going
to
happen
in
10
years
time,
20
years
time.
Where
is
that
data
going
to
end
up?
We
need
control
of
our
data.
O
T
T
Yes,
can
you
hear
me
yes
yeah?
I
would
just
like
to
add
mr
amari
confirmed
all
my
worst
fears.
He
speaks
of
crawling
through
websites
to
figure
out
who
we
are
looking
at
our
calendars,
going
off
on
a
tangent
about
off-site
bookings
and
very
very
concerning
to
me
my
main
question
and
point
is:
if
airbnb
is
waiting
for
a
bylaw
to
collect
the
tax
rewrite
the
bylaw
that
requires
airbnb
to
collect
attacks
as
simple
as
that.
B
U
Okay,
hi
yeah.
What
we've
heard
tonight,
especially
from
harmari,
is
really
very
concerning
for
all
of
us.
I
think
the
counselors
should
all
be
concerned
that
a
company
is
going
to
be
crawling
airbnb
websites
and
other
websites.
Looking
for
us,
no
wonder
we
feel
like
we're
being
treated
like
criminals,
because
that's
exactly
the
way
we've
been
treated.
U
I
think,
if
you
know,
if
the
staff
had
taken
a
conciliatory
attitude,
that
they
would
work
with
us
right
from
the
beginning
and
that
you
know
we
would
be
on
the
honor
system
or
at
least
airbnb
collecting
the
mat
tax.
The
simplest
thing
to
do.
We
would
have
all
been
paying
tax
long
ago,
but
since
the
staff
and
to
some
extent
the
counselors
have
taken
this
attitude,
you
know,
is
it
not
better
to
have
people
compliant
because
they
want
to
be
compliant,
not
because
they're
afraid
that
they're
going
to
you
know
their
confidential
information?
U
I
want
to
say
one
thing
that
there
was
definite
misinformation
given
by
kyle
campo.
He
knows
better,
he
should
not
have
said
this,
but
our
information
is
confidential.
It
is
not
public,
so
harmari
is
going
to
be
getting
our
confidential
information
in
very
creepy
ways.
That's
all
that's
what
I
can
say.
So
why
not
set
up
a
deal
with
airbnb
to
collect
the
mat
tax
you're
not
intending
to
really
have
people
compliant
until
june
1st
of
next
year?
B
To
the
next
speaker,
it
is
7
15..
One
of
the
committee
members
has
had
informed
me
earlier
that
that
was
as
long
as
he
could
stay
if
we
lose
quorum.
If
we
lose
one
more
committee
member,
the
meeting
ends
immediately.
Hopefully
that
doesn't
happen
before
all
members
of
public
have
spoken.
If
that
does
happen.
This
item
comes
to
our
next
committee
meeting
and
we
carry
off
carry.
E
V
V
I
personally
have
not
gone
on
disability.
I
will
not
collect
ow.
I
will
not
collect
insurance.
I
am
trying
to
get
by
the
best
I
can
in
a
proper
manner
as
it's
at
a
as
a
citizen,
and
if
this
goes
through,
I
cannot
honestly
say
that
that
that
I
am
going
to
be
staying
with
airbnb,
because
I
will
not
be
able
to,
and
especially
after
hearing
about
how
hamari
is
going
to
conduct
their
business
it.
V
W
They
pay
me
online
and
I
declare
it
on
my
taxes
and
I
pay
the
income
tax
on
it
and
there's
no
reason
in
the
world
that
I
wouldn't
be
declaring
the
map
tax
for
those
people
to
to
intimate
that.
That
wouldn't
be
the
case
is
just
wrong,
and
the
fact
that
everybody
that
I
know
in
airbnb
completely
supports
the
four
percent
tax
makes
me
think
that
they
would
probably
act
much
as
I
do.
E
N
Okay
hi.
Thank
you,
councillor,
stroud,
adding
to
simon's
question.
It
raises
the
question
about
other
businesses
that
are
also
using
their
homes,
as
home-based
businesses,
such
as
daycare
babysitting
are,
is:
are
those
businesses
under
such
scrutiny
as
we
are
under
such
surveillance
as
we
are
as
short-term
rental
hosts
and
like
the
previous
speaker,
I'm
sorry,
I
forget
her
name.
This
is
my
home
and
it
is
offsetting.
N
B
B
A
B
Yeah
so
to
the
members
of
the
public
who
are
still
watching.
This
item
continues
exactly
at
this
point
on
december
10th
with
the
same
committee
as
long
as
we
have
quorum.
Of
course,
we
were
at
the
members
of
the
public
section
and
we
will
get
staff's
response
if
there
are
any
more
members
of
the
public
that
wish
to
speak
at
that
time,
they
will
have
the
opportunity,
as
long
as
they
did
not
already
speak.