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City of Kingston Appeals Committee meeting held on October 19, 2020. For full meeting details, please visit https://bit.ly/3iYRD5X
A
C
Sorry
about
that,
I'm
used
to
the
chair
being
unmuted
before
the
fact.
Okay,
all
right,
so
I'm
calling
the
meeting
to
order
and
the
first
item
everyone
hear
me
now
just
nod:
okay,
is
the
approval
of
the
agenda
with
the
addendum,
so
moved
by
mr
storms
and
seconded
by
councillor
mclaren,
okay,
any
additions
of
subtractions,
saying
none
all
those
in
favor,
okay,
that
passes
and
confirmation
of
the
minutes
for
july
20th,
our
last
meeting
2020..
C
Do
I
have
a
mover
for
those
minutes,
ms
wallace
seconded
by
mr
knox,
any
comments
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
and
we'll
go
from
there
that
passes
disclosure
of
pecuniary
interests,
any
peculiar
interests
by
anyone.
Seeing
none
the
delegations
there
are
non-briefings.
There
are
none
so
we're
on
item
seven.
Now
business
new
appeals.
C
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Exterior
walls
must
be
free,
some
from
cracks
holes
and
additional
defects
and
the
roof
has
to
be
repaired
in
the
sense
that
it
has
no
loose
shingles
and
has
to
be
waterproof.
So
those
are
the
items
remaining
at
542
and
544
on.
The
interior
windows
must
be
free
from
damage
decay
and
free
from
any
peeling
paint
that
was
observed
by
the
officer.
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A
Mr
chair,
while
elizabeth
shows
remainder
of
the
pictures,
I
would
just
like
to
mention
to
the
members
of
the
public
and
staff
that,
if
they
wish
to
speak
during
the
meeting
to,
please
use
the
raised
hand
tool
within
zoom
to
let
us
know
that
you
would
like
to
address
the
committee
to
do
so.
Please
click
on
the
participants
icon
in
the
lower
menu
within
zoom
once
that
loads,
the
screen
or
the
menu
on
the
right
hand
side
of
your
screen.
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E
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F
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G
We're
trying
to
intervene,
but
obviously
it's
not
working
police
has
been
called
police
said
nothing
can
be
done
and
there
was
a
few
instances
where
we
tried
to
get
in
with
the
agents
and
someone
just
rushed
into
the
door
and
slammed
it
closed.
It's
pretty
dangerous,
and
there
was
time
where
we
were
there
with
the
tenants
at
544
victoria,
with
the
police
and
one
of
the
occupants
attacked
the
tenants
and
broke
the
phone
and
the
police
was
able
to
intervene.
All
this
can
be
found
in
the
police
reports.
G
If
I
do
request
for
it,
because
I'm
sure
the
police
has
all
this
summary
and
obviously
because
of
this
occupants,
which
are
not
my
tenants,
they
have
created
a
lot
of
mess
noise.
A
lot
of
complaints
which
city
of
kingston
bylaw
officer
should
know
about
it.
Police
do
know
about
it,
so,
by
around
late
july
to
early
occur
august,
my
tenant
has
been
fully
kicked
out
of.
The
house
has
no
access
to
either
side
of
the
house.
G
Around
the
same
time
after
we
learned
all
this,
we
already
we
engaged
a
lawyer
in
mid-august
to
evict
those
occupants
and,
speaking
to
the
lawyer,
he
said
as
long
as
the
main
tenant
sign
an
agreement
to
be
released,
which
is
the
n9
he
can
evict
those
occupants
because,
technically,
as
a
landlord,
have
no
relationship
no
contract
with
those
occupants
at
all.
And
besides,
we
don't
even
know
who
they
are.
We
don't
know
the
name,
the
phone
number.
G
The
reason
why
I
can't
let
my
people
in
to
to
fix
the
things
in
the
interior
of
the
house
or
even
just
touching
the
houses,
because
it's
pretty
antagonistic
in
there.
I
don't
want
my
staff
to
get
hurt,
like
I
said
before,
the
tenant
was
attacked
once
the
store
was
that
was
at
544
victoria
and
the
door
was
slammed
once
when
we
try
to
go
in
with
an
agent
and
it's
all
in
the
video.
G
So
I
do
think
that
without
eviction
is
very,
I
don't
think
it's
fair
for
me
to
just
send
someone
in
and
probably
get
hurt.
I've
explained
all
this
to
the
city
of
kingston,
the
bylaw
standard
officer
and
the
supervisor,
but
they
say
that
is
not
none
of
their
business.
Their
business
is
to
make
sure
everything's
up
to
code.
I
totally
understand
it
should
be
up
to
code.
G
First
of
all,
they
walked
in
without
letting
the
owner
know
that
they're
doing
inspection
had
I
explained
those
things
that
those
people
who
actually
made
the
call
are
the
occupants
which
are
not
even
tenants.
In
other
words,
they
are
just.
According
to
my
lawyer,
they
are
just
illegal
squatchers
from
the
actual
tenants.
G
F
G
My
request
is,
I
am
pretty
sure
that
we
can
get
the
order
from
the
tribunals
filed
with
the
court
enforcement
officer,
hopefully
sometime
in
late
november,
early
december,
as
per
the
lawyer,
and
once
all
those
are
done,
I
can
finally
get
people
in
to
fix
things.
There
should
not
be
anyone
living
in
there
once
they're,
evicted.
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G
Verified
by
the
city
of
kingston,
so
obviously
yes,
I
am
planning
to
do
work
on
it.
It's
just
a
matter
of
accessing
it.
I
don't
think
it's
safe
and
I
gave
you
the
two
examples
already
why
it's
not
safe
so
right
now
I
don't
know
what
to
do
like.
I
want
to
get
done
as
soon
as
possible
once
they're
evicted.
G
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B
This
too,
you've
been
filing
all
the
information
on
somebody
who,
in
his
case,
is
a
squatter.
So
the
only
thing
I'm
concerned
with
is
the
stuff
that
he
can
do
that
doesn't
pose
a
danger
to
anybody
doing
he
should
do
and
anything
that
does
pose
a
danger.
I
don't
I
appreciate
his
point.
If
he's
got
aggressive
squatters
there
and
he
needs
the
sheriff
to
do
it,
he
needs
the
order
for
the
sheriff
to
go
in
to
do
it.
So
I
cannot.
B
C
Okay,
that
that's
good
and
that
fits
in
with
ms
willis
often
raises
the
issues
of
safety,
and
we
do
make
that
of
the
people
in
a
particular
abode.
So
I
think
that's
important,
I
guess
to
me
we
could
get.
We
could
I'm
going
to
ask
staff.
I
think
what
they
think
could
be
done
before
christmas,
since
that
was
the
date
that
mr
mark
raised.
C
D
Yes,
good
questions
and
through
your
chair,
I
think
what
we're
looking
for
right
now
would
be
a
maintenance
plan
to
really
address
all
the
issues
on
the
order.
That's
with
the
interior
based
items
for
544
and
a
maintenance
plan
for
the
exterior
items
such
as
the
roof,
which
might
include
some
quotes
for
services
to
get
those
repairs
created,
and
some
potential
timelines
were
empathetic
to
the
situation
going
on
at
the
property
with
the
ltb.
We
recognize
the
challenges
that
that
might
provide
to
get
maintenance
occurred,
but
we're.
D
We're
not
we're
not
in
a
position
to
grant
additional
extensions
beyond
the
order
of
compliance
times
and
that's
the
the
role
and
purpose
of
the
committee,
but
we're
definitely
happy
to
receive
a
maintenance
plan
and
an
appropriate
time
frame.
That
committee
feels
necessary
and
we
would
work
in
conjunction
with
the
property
owner
from
that
point
forward,
to
try
to
get
compliance
of
the
orders
and
hopefully
come
back
to
the
community,
another
date
and
time
to
provide
progress
and
or
no
progress,
updates.
H
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
chair.
I
also
just
wanted
to
make
the
committee
aware
that
I'm
cautious
to
set
precedences
by
the
decisions
that
we're
going
forward
with
for
previous
cases
again
and
we've
been
reluctant
to
get
into
civil
disputes
in
regards
to
an
occupant
under
the
property
standards.
Bylaw.
H
That
definition
of
an
occupant
means
any
persons
or
persons
over
the
age
of
18
years
who
appear
to
be
in
possession
of
the
property.
So
that's
what
our
definition
of
occupant
is
right.
Now
and
again
in
terms
of
mr
max
just
response,
our
officer
has
been
working
diligently
with
the
property
manager
and
that,
in
these
circumstances,
for
inspections
is
that
the
property
owner
does
not
have
to
be
made
aware
of
the
inspection.
H
We
have
certainly
a
large
amount
of
cases
where
the
tenant
does
not
feel
comfortable
speaking
with
the
property
owner
and
that
they
have
the
option
to
contact
the
city
directly
without
going
through
the
property
owner
and
that
we
do
our
due
diligence
afterwards.
And
that's
where
mr
mack
would
receive
his
formal
notification
of
the
inspection.
And
we
encouraged
him
to
reach
out
which
he
has
done
to
the
the
inspector.
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C
If
that
works
through
the
clerk
in
terms
of
timing,
I
think
that's
works
with
what
staff
are
trying
to
do,
and
it
also
means
that
possibly
will
have
a
legal.
You
know
what
I
think.
We
would
like
to
see
some
proof
that
this
is
no
offense
to
mr
mark,
but
we're
in
the
dark
to
some
extent
here.
So
we
would
like
to
see
some
proof
of
the
legal
proceedings
that
you
know.
E
So
ordinarily
is
sitting
in
a
meeting
in
mid-october.
When
there's
a
bunch
of
exterior
maintenance
items
before
us,
I
would
be
wanting
to
see
those
items
completed
just
because
of
the
weather,
because
once
the
weather
turns
nobody's,
painting
anything
and
we're
not
putting
on
a
new
roof
in
january,
it's
highly
unlikely
anyway.
So
ordinarily,
I
would
be
saying
I
think
that
we
need
to
see
movement.
However,
in
this
case,
I
have
some
concerns
about
the
safety
of
a
crew
that
might
be
on
scene
for
multiple
days.
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C
Maintenance-
okay,
to
be
clear,
I'm
using
the
evidence
of
legal
process
as
a
marker.
We
can
expect
to
be
done
in
terms
of
maintenance
right
yep.
I
agree
with
you
that
we
don't
have
any
say
about
the
legal
part
of
it,
but
I
think
we're
within
our
purview
to
say
we
want
to
see
movement
on
the
legal
front
so
that
we
can
adjudge
properly
how
much
time
should
be
allowed
for
on
the
maintenance
front.
B
Yeah,
I
agree
with
you
chair
and
I
was
just
going
to
say
an
app
if
mr
mack
is
correct
in
his
assumptions
with
respect
to
his
lawyer.
The
application
would
have
been
filed
in
order
for
those
conversations
to
have
so
so
just
we
don't
I.
I
agree,
we
don't
even
say
on
the
legal
front,
but
it's
easy
enough
to
get
the
the
application
to
see
where
they're
at
in
the
process-
and
that's
mr
mack's
lawyer
should
already
have
that
and
it's
and
it's
a
matter
of
public
record.
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G
I
totally
agree
with
that,
but
it's
only
applicable
when
tenants
are
actually
living
there,
but
right
now
we're
talking
about
someone
that
are
illegal,
squadrons
they're
in
there
do
all
this
complaining
because
they're
not
paying
rent
to
the
tenants.
So
I
don't
know
what
is
the
actual
procedure?
What
is
the
actual
guideline
for
it,
but
I
don't
know
whether
that
can
be
improved
or
not.
G
It's
like
I
said
people
can
rob
a
house
or
go
into
a
house
as
thief,
and
then
they
call
the
police
and
make
all
this
request
and
the
city
of
kingston
would
believe
them
and
do
all
this
work
at
the
end
of
the
day.
None
of
this
repair
maintenance
is
crucial.
Don't
get
me
wrong,
but
they're
not
endangering
anyone
living
in
there
and
besides,
I
have
no
tenant
living
in
there
right
now,
because
it's
been.
E
G
G
So
I
can
talk
to
the
roofer
about
it
exactly
what
was
done
because
from
our
understanding
the
roof
was
about
five
years
old.
It's
been
replaced
before,
but
there
was
a
fire
on
princess
on
that
big
development
and
I
don't
even
know
if
that
was
the
cause
of
the
roof
decay,
but
the
roof
is
less
than
five
years
old.
C
Well,
that's
certainly
unfortunate,
and
I
understand
what
you're
saying.
I
think
that
mr
hazel
will
certainly
take
that
into
account.
Her
staff
in
general
and
they'll
usually
they're
very
willing
to
go
out
and
have
a
look
and
be
more
detailed
about
what
is
necessary
to
come
up
to
the
code
or
up
to
the
bylaw.
C
So
the
I
would
say
on
that
when
someone
phones
like
I've
dealt
with
that's
my
software
management
when
they
phone
the
staff
staff
gave
the
reason
why
they
go
out,
and
that
is
unavoidable.
The
city
at
that
point
does
not
know
whether
someone's
there
legally
or
not.
They
take
that
for
granted
because
99
of
the
time
as
you
allowed
in
your
previous
comments,
and
indeed
the
candidate,
is
legally
there.
In
this
case,
we
have
different
state
of
affairs.
C
So
in
that
complicated
legal
situation,
which
has
to
be
proved
at
the
ltb
and
we
are
not
the
ltb,
so
I
mean
I
I'm
taking
your
word
for
it.
That
what's
happening
is
happening
at
the
ltb
and
you're
correct
in
your
description,
but
the
city
would
not
know
that
in
the
beginning,
or
necessarily
have
any
legal
say
about
that.
C
C
G
I
I
I
was
there
on
previous
friday.
Everything
seems
to
be
in
order
same
as
the
last
time
I
was
there
in
july,
there's
just
some
refugees
and
debris
on
the
property.
It's
mostly
blown
in
this
off
the
street
off
montreal
property,
so
other
than
that.
I
think
what
we're
waiting
for
is
to
see
how
their
their
their
heritage
consultants
been
doing
with
the
property.
So.
C
C
C
A
D
D
D
J
Can
I
go
ahead?
Yeah,
okay,
great
I
have
so
jonathan.
Thanks
for
the
comments,
I
would
like
to
say
that
you
know
we
have
a
a
local
contractor
working
to
keep
the
property
clear
of
all
debris
and
rubbish,
and
so,
while
there
is
from
time
to
time
some
debris
and
rubbish
that
builds
up
there,
I
will
say
that
our
contractor,
mr
ron
weaver,
has
been
doing
a
good
job
of
keeping
the
place
clean.
J
I
will
mention
that
we
have
had
a
structural
assessment
done
by
john
g
cook
and
associates
consulting
engineers
that
are
familiar
with
heritage
buildings,
and
they
have
observed
that
well,
the
condition
of
the
masonry
is
fair
to
poor.
The
basic
structure
of
the
wall
is
in
good
condition,
so
I
believe,
with
this
confirmation
that
the
building
is
in
good
structural
condition
that
in
fact,
we
have
met
all
of
the
items
on
the
order
to
remedy
so
I'll.
Just
bring
that
point.
J
There
was
a
recommendation
also
on
the
july
20th
city,
appeals
meeting
that
I
think
it
was
by
andrea
gummel
that
the
the
city
staff
or
the
planning
department
take
the
file
from
from
here.
So
we're
we're
happy
either
way.
I
can
tell
you
that
we
are
committed
to
our
as
an
owner
developer.
We
are
committed
to
our
development
of
seniors
apartments
on
this
property
that
will
be
moving
ahead.
J
J
K
K
It's
the
heritage,
application
and
the
site
plan
are
going
to
go
hand
in
hand,
and
our
architect
still
has
to
make
a
decision
on
whether
to
restore
the
existing
building
or
whether
to
retain
the
building
as
a
ruin.
So
it's
so
the
heritage
decisions
haven't
been
made
yet
and
that's.
Why
that's?
Why
probably
from
your
eyes,
you're
not
seeing
a
lot
of
difference
from
you
know
july
to
today,
but
we
are
actively
working,
but
we
can't
advance
the
heritage
application
until
we
make
a
decision
on
restoration
or
restoration
as
a
ruin.
K
C
C
D
D
To
go
forward
with
heritage
work
is
quite
costly.
We
want
to
work
with
the
developers
and
the
owners
to
make
sure
they're
compliant
from
our
property
standards
perspective.
The
biggest
thing
the
biggest
concern
we
have
is
any
construction
or
alteration
going
forward
without
a
heritage
permit
or
approval
from
planning
departments.
C
C
F
F
C
F
C
C
E
F
A
The
website,
which
includes
the
application
process,
should
be
live
today
at
the
very
least
at
the
very
latest
tomorrow.
So
I
would
encourage
all
committee
members
to
reapply
if
they
wish
to
continue
to
serve
on
the
committee
and
I'll
be
sending
an
email
out
once
the
website's
live
just
to
remind
people
and
provide
the
link.
F
A
C
I
would
encourage
everybody
to
apply
too
because
it
takes
a
year
or
two
just
to
get
acquainted
with
each
other
and
get
things
moving
and-
and
so
I
hope
everyone
applies
again
and
if
you
have
any
issue
questions
about
that,
you
can
talk
to
james
thompson,
the
clerk.
So
do
we
have
a
motion
to
adjourn
ms.