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From YouTube: Arts Advisory Committee - September 17, 2020
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City of Kingston Arts Advisory Committee meeting held on September 17, 2020. For full agenda details please visit https://bit.ly/3adXL6k
B
It's
I'd
like
to
thank
you,
you've
all
been
so
kind
because
I
really
fumbled
my
way
through
it
and
so
especially
to
like
to
everyone,
but
especially
to
james
and
liz
shell,
because
I
you
know
I
was
a
terrible
chair
and
then
I
got
slightly
better
and
now
I'm
leaving,
and
fortunately
danica,
is
back
and
also.
I
know
nadine
is
stepping
up
to
start
this
meeting
and
she
will
be
terrific.
But
it's
what
a
fun
committee
of
all
the
city
committees.
B
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
and
danica
welcome
home.
As
everyone
probably
knows,
danica
during
the
time
she
wasn't
able
to
be
part
of
cultural
services
due
to
the
city
removing
of
the
budget
during
the
crisis,
danica
was
placed
at
rito
crest
and
they
were
really
lucky
to
have
her
everything
that
I've
heard
about
it
all
the
residents
and
staff.
There
really
appreciated
her
help
and
her
organization
and
her
good
attitude,
and
so
I
know
she'll
be
missed
there,
but
we're
also
very
lucky
to
have
her
back.
D
All
right
we'll
be
starting
the
meeting
very
shortly.
Counselor
doherty
is
joining
us
by
telephone,
counselor
dougherty.
If
you
can
hear
me,
I
believe
if
you
hit
start
six
and
that
will
allow
you
to
unmute
yourself
if
you're
not
using
the
app
or
you
seem
to
know
what
you're
doing
as
you're
muted
now.
D
E
D
D
D
Oh
sorry
before
we
do
that.
I'm
joined
today
by
elizabeth
fawcett,
who
is
new
to
the
clerk's
department.
Our
good
friend
derek,
has
decided
that
he
wants
to
go
and
work
and
by
licensing
so
we
won't
judge
him
for
that
on
a
youtube
feed,
but
we'll
just
but
elizabeth's
picking
everything
up
very
quickly
and
we're
happy
to
have
her.
D
She
previously
worked
at
the
city
with
the
real
estate
department,
so
she's
pretty
familiar
with
everything
that
we
do
so
she'll
be
taking
the
minutes
today
and
I'll
be
here
to
help
her
out.
So
with
that
being
said,
I'll
look
for
a
nomination
for
the
position
of
chair,
so
someone
would
like
to
move
and
second
someone
to
be
appointed.
That
would
be
great.
D
F
D
C
D
A
A
A
G
Hi,
congratulations.
Thank
you
on
your
new
appointment.
Thank
you
thanks
everybody.
Before
I
begin,
I
just
need
to
thank
colin
wiggington
and
danica
culture
services
for
recommending
us
as
a
delegation
to
this
arts
advisory
committee
and,
of
course,
to
the
kingston
arts
council
for
providing
us
with
the
initial
platform
to
meet
back
in
june.
G
G
And
you
can
see
it's
a
multi-generational
group,
it
crosses
disciplines
and,
given
the
nature
of
the
group,
it's
an
awesome
responsibility
to
try
to
represent
them
here.
Normally
any
number
of
these
people
would
be
speaking
with
me
about
their
stories
and
that's,
but
it's
just
me
this
morning,
so
I've
been
very
careful
to
get
their
input.
I
just
need
to
collapse
this
screen.
Sorry,
so
I
can
see
my
words.
G
Are
you
able
to
take
the
screen
away
now?
James,
sorry,
just
for
now,
and
I
think
james
can
send
you
a
copy
if,
if
you
need
to
so
these
grip
members
and
grip,
is
the
title:
it's
the
an
acronym
for
grassroots,
independent
professional
artists,
just
to
make
conversations
a
little
bit
easier
and
we've
been
working
over
four
months.
Having
conversations
and
over
the
last
three
weeks
we've
been
in
meetings
with
municipal
leaders
and
city
staff,
about
how
grip
artists
have
survived
pre-covert
and
how
we
are
now
working
to
survive
this
pandemic.
G
Our
key
intention
is
to
be
fully
and
directly
represented
at
any
of
the
tables
where
the
future
of
funding
and
strategies
is
being
planned
for
the
professional
arts,
especially
in
this
time.
So
you
might
recognize
grip
artists
that
are
offerings
of
free
workshops
during
culture
days
or
professional
music
shows
at
festivals
and
in
bars.
We
work
in
public
space,
create
some
of
the
murals
and
street
art
becoming
part
of
the
visual
landscape
of
downtown
kingston.
G
We
self-fund
programs
in
schools,
senior
homes
and
hospitals
and
work
behind
the
scenes
of
the
many
festivals
and
arts
events
that
invite
tourism
and
make
kingston
what
it
is.
We
have
worked
and
continued
to
work
with
land
lords
to
find
viable
workspaces
for
ourselves,
because
costs
of
the
tax
or
the
grand
are
well
beyond
our
reach.
G
This
is
all
pre-covered,
of
course,
and
most
of
us
never
qualified
for
ccaf
or
other
city
funding.
When
we
did
receive
funding,
30
percent
was
going
out
right
away
to
pay
for
insurance
costs
pre-covered.
We
also
had
two
or
three
other
service
industry,
jobs
or
educational
contracts
to
pay
the
bills,
so
we
were
too
busy
either
to
find
each
other
or
demand
a
voice,
or
we
just
left
kingston.
In
order
to
practice,
this
exodus
is
continuing.
G
But
while
they
showcase
work,
they
are
not
funding
the
weeks
of
production
or
rehearsal
necessary
in
the
arts.
In
some
cases,
these
festivals
are
non-paid
volunteer
time
as
a
fundraising
gesture
on
the
part
of
kingston
professional
artists,
but
they
are
at
the
same
time
cited
as
evidence
of
a
vibrant
professional
art
scene
for
tourism
in
kingston's,
promotional
literature.
G
But
we'll
also
say
that
none
of
these
organizations
are
the
problem
in
and
of
themselves,
but
when
their
activities
and
restructur
and
the
previously
mentioned
conditions
obscure
the
city's
ability
to
see
the
need
for
restructuring
and
funding
either
be
by
default
or
neglect.
We
end
up
with
a
decimated
professional
arts
community
in
times
like
this.
That's
why
we
have
come
together
now.
We
insist
there
needs
to
be
grip
representation
whenever
federal
or
provincial
funds
come
in,
so
we're
not
trying
to
use
pre-covered
models
of
distribution
in
a
covered
era.
G
G
Everyone
in
the
performing
arts
as
an
example
knows
that
no
amount
of
marketing
to
consumers
will
stop
the
virus
or
bring
back
pre-covert
audiences
and
patients
anytime
soon
it
will
not
matter
how
good
the
work
is
either.
We
need
to
first
create
confidence
in
our
communities
of
humans
and
have
exceptional
flexibility
as
we
ride
this
out
and
then
pull
ourselves
up
from
the
many
levels
of
grief
that
this
pandemic
has
created.
This
is
where
grip
artists
live.
We
regroup
and
search
out
strategies
as
a
way
of
life.
G
We've
done
this
all
pre-covered
without
access
to
direct
secaf
grants.
Imagine
if
we
actually
had
access
to
consistent
funding.
We
know
the
kingston
arts
council
is
deep
into
resetting
objectives
for
ccaf
and
to
helping
grip
type
artists.
In
the
meantime,
we
are
fully
in
support
of
that
and
are
willing
to
tackle
the
tough
questions
any
way
we
can.
For
example,
we
think
there
needs
to
be
a
separate
stream
for
the
funding
of
professional
artists
and
maybe
even
festivals.
G
We
know
that,
while
kingston
advertises
that
it
contributes
35
dollars
per
capita
to
culture,
only
4.67
per
capita
is
available
for
kingston
arts
council
to
distribute
directly
to
the
arts.
Contrast
that
with
the
25
per
capita
for
culture
in
toronto,
with
6.74
going
directly
to
the
arts
through
the
tac,
we
ask
how
are
kingston
numbers
so
different.
G
Where
is
that
10
difference
going?
Are
there
ways
to
redistribute
that
funding
in
a
time
when
the
city
is
hurting
financially?
These
are
all
reflections.
We
have
ideas
for,
and
we
will
be
there
to
lay
the
groundwork
for
discussions
through
direct
conversations
and
political
action.
We
look
forward
to
working
with
you
and
will
welcome
any
direction
and
allyship
you
may
have
to
offer.
Thank
you.
H
That
was
that
was
awesome
to
hear
all
that
I
just
my
question
was:
is
grip
open
to
anybody
who
would
like
to
join
so
long
as
they
meet
the
criteria
like?
How
does
one
become
a
grip
member
or
is
it
like?
Is
it
just
the
names
that
I
saw
on
that
list
that
james
put
on
the
screen
a
couple
minutes
ago
is
it
is
like
and
how
many
people
are
currently
in
grip?
Is
it
just
the
people
on
that
sheet.
G
Great
question,
so
this
is
an
ad
hoc
committee
really
and,
as
I
mentioned
at
the
beginning
in
june,
when
the
kingston
arts
council
said
well,
is
there
anyone
who
wants
to
talk
about
what's
going
on,
so
that
was
called
the
kingston
thinkers
group
at
the
time
and
what
we
noticed
was
most
of
those
people
were
independent,
professional
artists
in
kingston.
So
this
this
group
is
larger
than
this.
We
have
been
this
group
that
you
see
on
the
actual
page
there.
G
These
are
the
people
who've
been
able
to
be
more
active
in
doing
the
work.
It
takes
to
write
letters
to
politicians
to
speak
to
representatives.
We
are
we,
we
have
invited
other
people
to
be
members
and
we
do
have
people
around
the
periphery.
But
it's
such
an
interesting
process
because
of
course
so
many
especially
of
the
younger
people
right
now
and
particularly
in
the
visual
arts,
are
so
busy
trying
to
make
a
living
while
they
can.
G
B
G
G
It
can,
it
includes
emerging,
but
grassroots
also
exists
over
the
many
generations
of
people
so
emerging,
and
there
are
people,
my
age
and
older,
who
are
part
of
this
who've
been
in
kingston
a
long
time
so.
Chantal,
for
example,
is
30
years
in
the
profession
and
is
integral
to
the
kingston
community,
as
is
sue
so
it
it
goes
across
things.
No.
F
That's
good,
I
mean
it
is
a
as
you're
saying
it's
a
broad
range
of
experience
and
types,
because
there's
many
different
sorts
of
arts
represented
and
just
one
other
question
have.
There
are
probably
been
members
of
the
organization
or
the
committee
who
have
applied
for
grants
yes
and
been
denied,
and
this
is
part
of
what
has
spurred
this
on.
G
Other
people,
like
mariah,
have
gotten
grants
a
project
grant
and
that's
where
the
note
about
where
the
insurance
goes.
For
example,
the
insurance
money
goes
so
yes,
many
people
and
a
visual
artist,
just
a
don't,
have
the
time
to
do
all
of
that
work
because
they
are
so
busy
trying
to
make
a
living
and
so
on
so
they've
tried
and
can't
get
it
and
oftentimes.
What
happens
for
the
especially
the
younger
set
is
that
they
have
to
balance
out
how
much
time
it
takes
to
actually
apply
with
the
the
possibility
of
actually
getting
it.
G
A
C
What
your
ask
is,
because
I
know
that
some
of
your
members
have
successfully
applied
for
and
received
ccaf
grants
and
having
been
on
the
jury
process
for
the
last
several
years.
I
know
there's
some
issues
with
operating
being
given
the
rules
and
that
it's
it's
pretty
difficult
to
break
into
the
operating
side
of
things.
C
G
An
independent
might
be
independent,
but
professional
artists
dream
when
I
go
and
look
at
the
list
of
people
who
have
been
successful,
say
this
year,
they're
heavily,
as
I
mentioned
earlier
in
this
talk,
are
heavily
either
festival.
Oriented
valenti
have
tremendous
volunteer
base
in
terms
of
obviously
the
operating
funding,
and
it
there's
some
genesis
of
that
in
the
early
conditions
and
objectives
of
the
kingston
arts
council.
G
G
Yes,
there
have
been
successes
in
there,
but
they're
mitigated
by
the
fact
that
project-based
grants
are
sporadic
influx
of
money,
that
they're
still
go
to
entities
that
are
not
professional
artists,
they're
worthy,
but
we
need
to
start
it's
almost
a
real
plus
now
because
kingston's
at
the
level
that,
if
we
actually,
for
example,
change
the
funding
for
how
much
goes
directly
to
the
arts,
you
could
have
a
hundred
thousand
dollar
revenue
stream
for
professional
artists
in
the
city,
as
well
as
everything
else.
However,
it's
the
voice
yeah.
C
I
I
appreciate
that
they're
going
we're
going
through
a
review
process,
and
I'm
I'm
glad
that
we
are,
I
just
want
to
point
out
and
don't
shoot
the
messenger
that
the
whole
situation
of
colvin
means
that,
as
of
two
weeks
ago,
the
city
is
in
a
four
million
dollar
deficit
position,
so
finding
new
funds
is
going
to
be
very
difficult
and
no
question.
Maintaining
the
level
of
funding
that
we
traditionally
have
had
will
be
a
battle
fought
on
counts.
On
the
council
floor
when
the
budget
comes
forward,
so.
G
And
that's
why
we
articulate
a
redistribution
of
funds.
I
think
we
can
look
at
entities
that
have
deep
pockets
already
and
receive
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars.
Is
it
possible
that
that
can
be
redistributed?
So
it's
that
kind
of
thinking.
We
know
that
it's
a
tough
spot.
It's
also
why
we're
bringing
up-
and
we
have
brought
up
with
the
mayor
and
the
politicians
about
perhaps
putting
city
heft
behind
helping
us
work
with
the
landlords
we're
already
who
are
already
working
with
artists
to
give
space.
G
I
E
Thanks
so
I
had
similar
kind
of
I
was
kind
of
heading
the
same
direction
where
counselor
neil
just
came
from.
I
just
want
to
comment
that
it's
not
four
million
by
the
end
of
the
year.
It's
gonna
be
more
like
nine
to
ten
million,
so
it
is
serious
budget
shortfall,
and
so
I
was
thinking
about
in
kind
kind
of
support,
but
you
did
just
mention
working
with
landlords,
and
so
I
I
understand
that
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
due
to
covert
is
space.
G
Thank
you.
That's
such
an
important
question
and
of
course,
especially
in
the
performing
arts,
people
are
struggling
with
that
on
a
daily
basis
and
like
some
people
here,
I'm
in
constant
conversation
across
the
country
with
people
coping
with
that.
I
think
the
key
that
we
have
to
accept
is
that
there
is
going
to
be
fluctuating
circumstances
for
any
kinds
of
tourism
or
any
kinds
of
public
performance
and
what
needs
to
get
set
in
terms
of
our
thinking
of
how
we
move
forward
with
the
other
kinds
of
funding
in
kind
or.
G
G
I
think-
and
it's
old
school,
it's
it's
an
old
warehouse
space
where
there
are
several
artists
ensconced
in
there.
Let's
work
with
rob,
barr
and
see
if
we
can
figure
out
a
way
that
he's
comfortable
for
at
least
another
12
months,
keeping
that
space
and
not
turning
it
over
to
condo
development
just
yet
so
that
we
have
spaces
so
in
kind.
Working
with
landlords
are
huge
elements,
but
the
core
element
is
whatever
structures
we
start
to
put
in
place.
E
I
G
As
projects
well,
I
think
you'll
find
that
a
number
of
projects
are
just
not
happening
per
se.
I
know
mariah
was
had
was
just
able
to
finish
up
her
that
site-specific
piece
on
the
day
before
the
pandemic
hit
serb.
Of
course,
what
it's
done
is
it's
allowed
us
in
terms
of
expenditure
or
survival,
has
allowed
us
to
talk
to
each
other,
and
that
would
be
so
for
the
arts
across
the
country.
G
That's
a
huge
bonus
for
us
sue,
although
she's
president
of
the
musician
or
not
president,
excuse
me
secretary
treasurer
of
the
of
the
musicians
union.
It
allows
her
to
continue
to
be
speaking
with
her
people
with
other
artists
and
communities.
So
in
that
sense
it's
not
a
direct
expenditure,
but
serb
has
allowed
us
to
start
to
create
the
communities
for
discussions
about
how
we
might
survive
individual
expenditures.
G
G
G
A
I
have
a
I
have
a
quick
question,
so
yeah,
I
just
wondered
if
you
had,
because
you
spoke
about
going
to
the
speaking
mayor
and
counselors,
I
wondered
if
the
group
had
approached
every
place
in
kingston
under
with
this
framed
like
this
for
potential
in
kind.
You
know
creation
space
like
we're,
and
I
can
speak
from
the
ted,
we're
creating
part
new
partnerships
in
response
to
covid
and
these
situations
on
a
daily
basis.
A
Right
now-
and
I
don't
know-
I
don't
think
I
was
looking
at
the
names
there
and
I
don't
think
anyone
has
contacted
the
tet,
for
example,
about
how
for
creation
space,
I'm
talking
about
right,
not
for
a
permanent
location
right,
but
you
know
these
type
of
new
partnerships,
I'm
just
wondering
if,
if
that
has
been
exhausted
as
well,
and
I'm
not
talking
about
dollar
funding,
I'm
talking
about
that
in-kind
support
for
lack
of
a
better.
You
know
the
general
term.
G
G
A
G
D
A
G
A
A
A
J
J
So
in
this
moment
what
the
arts
council
is
looking
for
is
a
discussion
from
within
this
group
about
needs
of
their
own
organizations
needs
of
the
the
groups
they
work
within
the
community
to
help
the
arts
council
make
temporary
modifications
to
the
plan
for
administration,
which
also
comes
back
to
this
group
for
review
and
approval
in
november.
I'm
correct
felix,
that's
the
timeline,
so
it's
sort
of
an
open
discussion,
I'll,
let
felix
say
a
few
words
just
to
help
sort
of
set
the
scope.
J
But
our
goal
is
to
ensure
that
ongoing
stability
of
the
program
continuing
to
support
organizations
continuing
to
support
professional
artists,
which
the
program
does
do
through
the
various
organizations
that
receive
operating
funding
and
through
the
groups
that
receive
project
funding,
but
just
recognize
that
cover
19,
has
changed
things
for
us
in
this
moment
last
year.
The
program
you
know
was
right
on
the
cusp
of
it
and
and
it
went
through,
which
was
wonderful
in
terms
of
approval
of
funding.
But
we
recognize
there
needs
to
be
some
consideration
this
year.
K
Right,
if
I'm
good,
to
go
ahead,
nadine
yeah,
absolutely
thanks.
Thank
you.
So
much
danica
as
danica
said
kirstie
sending
her
regrets
this
morning.
I
am
the
grants
coordinator
for
the
kingston
arts
council.
Most
of
you
have
met
me
before
in
various
capacities
and
today
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
annual
review
for
the
city,
kingston
arts
fund,
just
to
sort
of
add
some
context
and
a
bit
of
an
update
in
where
we
are
on
this
expanded
process.
K
As
danica
said,
that's
really
what
we're
going
to
look
for
in
terms
of
feedback
today
and
through
this
consultation
process
is
the
way
in
which
ccaf
can
best
support
organizations
and
artists
in
2021.
Specifically,
we
are
looking
at
a
future
comprehensive
consultant-led
review
for
large
structural
changes,
so
we're
really
interested
in
hearing
the
ways
in
which
cobit
has
changed
the
way
that
artists
work
the
way
their
their
professional
needs,
both
as
organizations
and
artists,
and
how
what
type
of
funding
will
best
support
them.
K
J
F
Thank
you.
It's
partly
comment
and
question
in
this
time
of
covid.
I
think
that's
what
we're
talking
about
is
how
so
many
items
to
do
with
the
arts
have
changed
and
from
rocks
along
the
walkway
I
mean
you
walk
along
portsmouth,
harbor
visuals.
Are
there
all
the
time?
I
think
it's
so
interesting
that
vicky's
been
here
and
talking
a
lot
about
visuals
and
that's
what
people
seem
to
really
want,
as
they're
outside
the
artists,
putting
artwork
out
in
their
front
yards
to
rocks
everywhere
that
have
sayings.
F
F
F
F
Imagine
if
we
had
a
huge,
coordinated
art
sale
constantly
online
that
that
sort
of
new
way
of
thinking
and
I'm
what
I'm
leading
to
is
felix.
Is
that
what
you're
looking
for
we're
in
a
new
era
that
I
don't
think
is
going
to
end
even
next
year,
and
is
this
it
new
ideas
to
help
really
change
how
the
arts
fund
might
need
to
function.
K
So
we've
seen
the
shift
where
some
projects
and
some
operating
activities
have
changed
to
digital
others
have
moved
to
open
air
outdoor
performance,
obviously,
in
the
winter
new
challenges
are
going
to
arise
around
that.
So
we
are
looking
for
that
information,
but
I
think,
maybe
more
specifically
in
this
particular
meeting,
we're
really
looking
for
feedback
around
the
ccaf
program
itself.
C
C
If
the
city
could
find
a
way,
for
instance,
we
just
set
up
a
green
fund
so
that
people
can
make
a
donation
to
the
city
for
environmental
benefits
and
get
a
tax
receipt.
As
a
result,
pothole
politicians
often
become
provincial
and
federal
politicians,
and
so
they've
always
allowed
municipalities
to
give
out
tax
receipts.
C
C
C
B
I
know
that
dead
on's
at
in
rick
barr's
face,
and
you
know
they
could
approach
him
and
then
they
get
their
space
and
maybe
rick
gets
a
charitable
tax
receipt
and
that
would
be
great
for
dead
on.
But
it's
not
super
inclusive,
whereas
maybe
if
the
city
george
be
quiet,
please,
maybe
if
the
city
were
to
assess
all
the
things
it's
going
to
be
a
ton
of
work,
write
them
all
down
and
say
these
are
things
that
we
can
also
offer
to
artists.
K
Danica,
I
think
danica
might
be
a
little
more
a
little
better
suited
to
address
that,
specifically
in
terms
of
mechanically
how
it
would
work,
because
I
believe,
what's
being
described,
would
be
a
function
of
the
city
making
available
in
kind
donation
through
some
type
of
application
process.
If
I'm
understanding
that
correctly,
so
that
it's
more
widely
accessible
and
doesn't
require
private
negotiation,
which
is
a
an
interesting
idea.
Definitely
something
that
we
at
this
point
hadn't
been
considering
incorporating
into
the
program.
J
Yeah
I
mean
I
can
certainly
sort
of
look
into
this
and
think
about
it.
You
know,
I
think,
that
you
know
there's
a
fee
waiver
program
that
that
also
sort
of
sort
of
tied
to
this
concept,
where
organizations
and
the
skeleton
park
arts
festival
receives
this
this
exemption,
and
so
I
think
that
concept
and
looking
for
considering
other
possible
ways
is
definitely
something
I
can
look
into
for
sure.
C
So
so
they
do
some
of
the
processing
and
let
the
city
know,
and
the
city
then
sends
out
the
tax
receipt,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
the
leg
work
is
being
done
by
as
a
community
service
by
kingston
community
credit
union
again
talk
to
the
city
treasurer,
but
that
might
be
something
that
another
banking
institution
or
something
somebody
would
want
to
do-
is
as
a
kind
of
community
service
to
expedite
it.
So
the
city
doesn't
have
to
take
danica
away
from
her
job
to
do
something
else
elsewhere.
So
that's
right.
A
D
A
F
F
J
Yes,
absolutely-
and
I
again,
I
think
part
of
this
discussion
in
going
back
to
council
in
the
new
year
to
to
approve
the
funding
is,
is-
is
to
demonstrate
the
value
in
the
impact,
but
also
to
demonstrate
that
the
city
and
the
arts
council,
as
administrators
are
being
responsive
to
this
moment.
And
so
it's
not
it's.
It's
a
bit
of
a
recognition
that
the
way
in
which
projects
and
organizations
will
be
functioning
and
delivering
programming
will
change,
and
the
program
is
here
to
support
and
facilitate
that
change
and
liz.
J
J
H
L
H
Right
now
we
might
be
at
50,
and
I
don't
know
what
the
next
logical
step
beyond
that
is,
is
going
to
be,
but
a
place
like
the
grand
theater
which,
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
is
actually
sitting
completely
dark
right
now
and
then
even
into
2021.
You
know
there
might
be
less
traffic
in
there.
I
realize
there's
a
bottom
line
for
the
grand
theater
just
to
turn
the
lights
on.
So
we
don't.
H
You
know
it's
hard
to
expect
them
to
just
like
hand
everything
over
to
an
organization
wanting
to
do
an
event
in
there,
but
I
wonder
if
there
would
be
a
way
at
a
at
a
reduced
cost
for
an
organization.
Let's
say,
like
the
film
festival,
to
go
in
there
and
show
a
movie
to
like
50
people
or
100
people
or
whatever,
whatever
we're
allowed
to
do
in
march.
You
know
it
may
be
zero
in
march
we
don't
know,
but.
H
As
a
first
stage
enabling
an
organization
to
go
in
there
because
the
grand
theater
and
you
know
like
the
leon
center,
the
spire,
some
of
these
bigger
venues-
are
going
to
probably
be
the
ones
that
people
are
are
going
to
be
organizing
events
in
first,
just
because
they'll
have
the
means
to
properly
socially
distance.
So
we
would
love
to
use
the
regina
rosen.
H
You
know
it
would
be
perfect
for
us,
but
if
we
have
if
we
have
to
pay
the
full
cost
of
using
that
space,
and
we
can
only
have
a
hundred
people
in
there
it
just
it
doesn't
even
come
close
to
making
sense.
So
that's
just
a
need
for
us
like
a
concrete
example
of
something
that
we
would,
that
that
we
would
certainly
love
to
do
is
use
a
space
like
the
grand
theater
but
yeah
anyways.
I
don't
know
if
that,
if
that's
helpful
at
all,
but.
A
Okay,
thanks
mark,
I
know
I'm
on
the
subcommittee
with
trisha
baldwin
for
the
she's,
the
representative
for
the
kingston
economic
task,
brief,
the
task
force,
recovery
task
force
and
that's
big
on
the
agenda.
We're
all
talking
about
that.
So
I
can
appreciate
the
concern
there
as
well.
I
think
katie
was
next.
You
had
something
to
to
add.
I
Yeah,
my
my
brain
is
going
a
thousand
miles
a
minute
right
now.
First,
just
when
you
mentioned
the
grand
theater
mark
the
work
that
I
do
with
ccnc,
we
have
been
made
aware
that
across
the
country
municipally
owned
performing
arts
centers
have
really
been
hard
hit,
because
municipalities
are
not
eligible
for
funding
that
other
art
centers
would
have.
I
So
what
we're
doing
right
now
at
ccnc
is
we're
putting
together
a
giant
project
on
advocacy
for
specifically
those
centers,
so
just
letting
everyone
know
that
it
is
on
our
minds
as
a
national
organization,
and
work
is
being
done
in
that
direction,
and
we've
had
a
lot
of
really
specific
feedback
from
across
the
country
in
similar
venues.
So
hopefully
we
can
start
looking
at
movement
towards
making
those
operational
costs
lessened.
I
I
wanted
to
bring
up
a
few
other
things
that
I've
seen
in
the
sector
from
my
work.
First
of
all,
I
don't
know
if
anyone's
familiar
with
the
factor
funding
for
live
music.
I
know
that
that
funding
is
supposed
to
be
allocated
and
in
big
accounts
by
the
end
of
the
month,
but
I've
seen
from
correspondence
from
those
who
would
have
been
applying
that
there's
a
lot
of
anxiety
and
exhaustion
and
just
sleepless
nights
on
the
part
of
those
who
have
applied,
because
this
new
funding
model
is
it's.
I
So
I
suppose
what
I
mean
to
say
by
bringing
this
up
is
if
we
are,
if
the
arts
council
is
considering
new
models
to
really
keep
in
mind
that
that
is
sort
of
the
the
the
feeling
of
the
sector
of
artists
that
there's
a
lot
of
anxiety
and
exhaustion
around
the
the
need
for
funding.
Right
now
and
and
the
more
hoops
that
an
artist
has
to
jump
through
the
the
more
that
grows.
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up,
because
it
was
very
potent
in
the
air
yesterday,
especially.
I
I
So
all
those
economic
numbers
about
arts
and
culture
in
kingston
will
be
available
soon,
hopefully,
which
will
hopefully
be
a
big
help
in
terms
of
supporting
any
any
cause.
You
want
to
bring
to
council
and
any
new
initiatives,
so
that
will
be
really
good
if
you
have
any
question
those
new
numbers
or
the
process
in
this
crazy
year.
I
Just
let
me
know-
and
the
last
thing
I
want
to
bring
up-
is
our
next
call
at
ccnc
for
the
nationwide
municipal
members
is
going
to
be
about
the
winter
pivot,
and
you
know:
we've
been
enjoying
nice
weather
during
the
summer
to
do
outdoor,
safer
activities
in
in
the
arts
and
culture
sector.
What
do
we
do
when
it
gets
cold
and
snowy,
and
so
that's
something
we're
gonna
be
bringing
to
the
table
and
asking
our
members
to
discuss?
I
Who
already
has
ideas,
who
already
has
well-established
winter
outdoor
activities
and
and
planning,
and
what
can
we
learn
from
them
and
who's
still
sort
of
trying
to
figure
out
what
to
do
so?
Hopefully,
I
can
actually
bring
some
interesting
ideas
back
to
the
table
and-
and
maybe
you
both
can
join,
that
call,
danica
and
colin
and
and
we
can
see
what
what
we
can
come
up
with
on
a
local
level.
L
Sorry
to
join
you
late,
I
was
on
another
meeting.
I
just
wanted
to
respond
to
mark's
comments
about
the
grand
theater
just
because,
as
of
council
on
tuesday
night
part
of
the
report
that
was
brought
forward
related
to
the
projections
to
the
end
of
2020
and
service
levels
of
the
city,
we
are
proceeding
with
a
partial
reopening
of
the
facility
really
focused
on
the
baby
grand
initially.
L
We
do
have
a
couple
of
community
groups
who
are
wanting
to
pursue
trying
to
make
presentations
possible
and
it
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
start
testing
our
processes
and
and
practices
around
safe
audience
experiences
at
the
grand
theater.
But,
along
with
that
council
report,
we
were
given
delegated
authority
to
be
able
to
modify
our
fees
and
charges
by
law
and
numbers.
L
So
my
hope
is
that,
after
this
initial
sort
of
phased
move
into
the
fall,
that
things
will
start
to
settle
and
we'll
maybe
see
some
some
movement,
but
it
just
wasn't
economically
feasible
to
open
the
bigger
space
which
holds
775
seats
to
50
people
at
this
time,
but
certainly
we're
looking
towards
a
more
broad
opening
as
things
progress.
So
I
just
wanted
to
provide
that
additional
information.
A
Great
thanks,
thanks
colin,
I
I
just
wanted
to
quickly
add
about
the
tet
center
on
that
subject.
We've
done
so
much
adapting
and
working
with
the
public
health
unit
on
making
sure
that
our
numbers
that
we're
doing
it
safely
in
traffic
flow
and
safe
space,
and
we
have
a
couple
of
theater
groups
that
have
managed
to
have
shows
with
30
people.
A
I
mean
that
doesn't
sound
like
a
lot
but
they're
also
they
have
the
ability
to
stream
which
we're
looking
into
it's
a
whole
cost
of
covid
that
streamability
and
so
we're
all
yeah,
we're
all
in
a
situation
where
we're
trying
to
reimagine
the
space
and
our
malting
tower
room
which
used
to
hold
a
hundred
people
that
you
know
mark
mentioned
the
50
people
indoors.
I
mean
that
is
with
just
people.
I
mean
the
moment.
You
want
other
things
in
the
space,
I
mean
it
reduces
it.
So
that
is
great
news.
Colin.