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Arts, Recreation & Community Policies Committee meeting from August 5, 2020. For full meeting agenda visit https://bit.ly/31qVOip
A
B
If
that
passes,
confirmation
of
the
minutes
of
wednesday
january
15,
2020
gonna
get
a
mover
because
they're
sanic
secondary
counselor
boom
any
additions
subtractions
any
problems
with
them,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
of
approval
of
the
minutes.
Past
disclosure,
disclosure
of
public
interest-
don't
see
any.
B
A
B
Now,
sir
sonic
seconded
by
council
bone
all
those
in
favor,
hi,
counselor
neil,
we
may
wait.
We
didn't
wait
for
you,
because
this
is
all
pro
forma
stuff.
We
just
dealt
with
number
two
as
number
one
of
seven,
a
okay.
So
we've
done
that
now
we're
back
to
the
main
point
of
this
meeting.
Seven
a
now
two
housing
homelessness
strategy
and
policy
amendments.
A
B
D
So
we
wanted
to
provide
council
committee
and
council
with
that
overview
and
a
number
of
recommendations
in
each
area
and
and
trying
to
address
some
of
the
challenges
that
we've
seen
in
the
last
couple
of
months.
We
know
that
obviously,
summertime
is
is
challenging
for
meetings
and
that's
why
we
try
to
fast
track
that
so
it
could
make
it
to
council
for
august.
D
So
in
the
report
there
are
a
number
of
different
recommendations
that
range
from
changes
to
policy
and
trying
to
prioritize,
for
example,
homelessness
in
terms
of
our
wait
list
to
to
changes
in
our
some
of
our
reserve
funds.
That
would
allow
us
to
access
more
dollars
to
be
able
to
contribute
to
more
affordable
housing
units
so
that
that's
generally
the
range
of
of
the
report
and
the
recommendations
that
are
included
in
there,
and
I
I'm
sure
you
have
a
lot
of
questions.
B
E
Okay,
my
question
is:
sort
it's
good
to
go
first,
I
guess,
because
it
it
helps,
lay
the
framework
it
helps
tie
in
the
framework
in
a
very
simple
way,
to
anyone
that
might
be
following
at
home.
There's
a
couple
of
numbers
that
I'm
interested
in
and
one
of
them
there.
We
have
a
very
good
idea
of
if
you
read
the
report
and
also,
if
you
remember
previous
reports
and
it's
related
to
the
creation
of
affordable
housing
units,
we
all.
E
When
we
build
units-
and
I
know
that
there
was
an
announcement
last
week
about
five
units
and
the
cost
was
625
000-
I
believe
that's
a
very
easy
number
to
get
your
head
around
five
units
for
625
000
was
125
000
capital
cost
per
unit,
and
I'm
wondering
how
does
that
compare
this
is
doesn't
have
to
be
very
detailed,
but
just
I'm
looking
for
a
cost
range
for
a
per
unit
for
a
new
unit
build
per
unit
in
in
recent
history,
for
what
the
city
has
has
done.
That
particular
example.
E
E
So
I
don't
need
an
exact
figure,
but
I
need
to
know
how
close
that
is
to
the
usual
cost
for
new
builds,
so
that,
when
we're
doing
budgeting
we
can
easily
say
well,
we
can
get
eight
units
for
a
million
and
so
on,
and
also
I
need
to
know
a
little
bit
more
about
the
operating
costs
depending
on
the
model
used,
and
that
might
be
something
it
might
be
a
little
bit
more
detailed.
Those
are
my
two
questions:
are
the
capital
cost
and
the
operating
costs
for
new,
build
of
affordable
housing
units.
C
C
Well,
it's
always
x,
or
it's
always
y,
as
you
can
probably
recall
in
previous
reports
and
previous
kind
of
requests,
to
counsel
that
that
number
does
typically
range
depending
on
a
couple
of
things.
So,
for
instance,
the
one
thing
that
we
we
always
look
at
is
the
percentage
of
affordability.
So
you
probably
recall
that
we
use
80
average
markets
quite
often
as
as
kind
of
the
the
max
I
guess-
of
of
affordability
or
the
the
highest
range
of
affordab
of
of
rent.
C
So
it
is
hard
to
really
say:
oh
it's,
it's
typically
x
or
it's
typically,
why?
But
we,
it
is
really
kind
of.
We
really
look
at
the
bigger
picture
of
the
builds.
The
other
thing
is
that
the
length
of
affordability-
again,
ideally
we
we
have
developments
that
are
affordable
in
perpetuity
so
so
ongoing.
We
also
have
in
historic
head
agreements
where
the
affordability
range
is
is,
is
20
years
or
25
years.
So
again,
that
would
also
influence
the
capital
contribution
in
the
beginning.
C
C
We
would
also
have
expectations
from
if
we're
using,
for
instance,
provincial
funding
that
we're
not
able
to
use
that
we
that
we
can
only
tap
into
a
certain
percentage
of
that
for
a
capital
contribution,
and
the
last
I
will
say
and
and
potential
perhaps
ceo
hurdle
has
something
to
add
to
that
as
well.
But
the
last
thing
I
will
say
to
your
operating
question
again:
typically
as
a
city,
the
only
time
we
get
involved
in
ongoing
operating
dollars
is
with
our
social
housing
portfolio.
B
E
E
E
We're
comparing
apples
and
oranges
when
you're
when
you've
got
a
percentage
of
a
building
with
affordable
units
because
we've
mandated
it
because
it's
policy-
and
it
expires
after
20
years-
that's
very
different
from
just
creating
this
housing
that
that
we,
the
city
government,
find
the
capital
money
for
presumably
with
help
from
other
levels
of
government
and
then
build.
So.
D
Thank
you,
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
so
just
to
I
I
will
answer
the
counselor's
question,
but
maybe
to
add
to
what
director
nortograph
was
saying
around
the
cost.
I
would
say
that,
for
the
most
part,
what
we've
seen
in
the
last,
probably
three
to
five
years
has
been
I've
been
cost
closer
to
150
000
per
unit,
especially
when
we're
working
with
our
not-for-profit
organization.
D
So
the
the
50
000
range
that
was
mentioned
earlier
was
something
that
goes
way
back
to
when
the
city
started
the
program
which
was
about
10
years
ago.
So
I'm
sure
you
can
appreciate
that
the
value
was
quite
different
at
that
time.
So,
in
terms
of
the
different
options
that
we
have
for
affordable
housing,
we
do
have
the
ability
to
partner
with
the
private
sector
so
whether
that
partnership
is
in
the
form
of
a
financial
contribution
or
in
the
form
of
a
requirement.
D
D
Currently,
though,
I
will
say
the
only
tools
that
we
really
have
would
be
the
financial
contribution
or
the
community
benefit,
because
we
currently
do
not
have
a
zoning
bylaw
that
provides
for
that
requirement,
and
I
know
that's
something
that
was
discussed
by
the
the
task
force
recently
on
housing,
so
that
that's
one
option
the
other
option:
municipalities,
usually
through
ontario,
I'm
not
aware
of
municipalities,
actually
owning
and
operating
affordable
housing.
They
usually
have
a
not-for-profit
organization
or
corporation.
D
So
it
all
depends,
but
I
think
there's
opportunity
with
with
both
I,
but
I
do
think
and
and
counselors
you'll
probably
recall
that
for
the
most
part
in
the
past
years
and
most
of
our
projects
have
been
with
not-for-profit
organizations
and
that's
where
we
typically
tend
to
focus
our
our
efforts
and
energy.
Although
we
do
have
once
in
a
while
we'll
have
some
collaboration
from
the
private
sector.
B
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
through
you,
I'm
glad
to
be
on
this
committee.
This
is
my
first
meeting
here.
So
thanks
for
having
me,
I
went
up
on
the
last
point
ceo
hurdle
made
and
that
counselor
stroud
alluded
to
in
some
of
his
questions
around
collaboration
with
we
heard
about
the
bath
road,
build
that's
happening
at
60
of
market
value
for
a
number
of
units
for
the
next
20
years
that
was
referenced
in
the
report.
G
Specifically,
I'm
wondering
what
the
value
is
in
continuing
to
subsidize
or
encourage
private
development
at
80
percent,
as
opposed
to
60
or
perhaps
even
lower
page
9.
On
the
in
the
report
talks
about
waiving
development
fees
for
those
private
developers
who
will
do
80
units
80
of
market
value.
That
is
so.
Would
it
not
be
better
to
move
to
a
more
aggressive
target
like
60
like
we're
seeing
on
bath
road,
especially
because
prices
are,
are
so
high
that
even.
F
C
D
Thank
you,
and,
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
so
a
couple
of
things:
yes,
you're
correct
counter.
Kylie
most
private
developers
tend
to
come
in
around
80
market
rent
and
we've
been
trying
over
time
and
the
one.
The
project
that
you've
named
is
a
good
example
where
we've
been
able
to
work
with
the
the
owner
to
actually
include
some
60
market
rent
which
is
more
affordable,
especially
for
for
the
population,
that's
being
targeted
for
this
particular
project,
which
is
supportive
housing
that
we
we
really
need
in
the
community.
D
In
terms
of
your
question
around,
should
we
be
looking
at
waiving
the
fees?
I
think
the
the
comment
is
there
and
applicable
to
to
anyone
that
would
build
affordable
housing
for
for
development
chart
as
it
applies
for
development
charges,
development
fees,
so
that
would
include
not-for-profit
organizations.
So
we
do
have
some
not-for-profit
as
well
that
bill
that
80
market
rent.
So
this
is
meant
to
capture
all
builders
of
affordable
housing,
regardless,
if
they're
for
profit
or
not-for-profit
as
long
as
they
they
have
that
eighty
percent,
eighty
percent
market
rent
range.
G
Okay,
I
have
some
more
thoughts
on
that
for
another
time
I
think,
especially
because
we're
tight
tonight
for
time.
My
second
question
is
about
the
west
end
covid,
isolation,
building
that
was
in
my
district,
I'm
just
wondering
if
maybe
director
and
autograph
or
cia
hurdle,
you
could
talk
a
bit
about
it,
just
because
it
wasn't
mentioned
in
the
report
and
I'd
like
to
know
how
many
people
ended
up
accessing
it,
and
if
there
were
any
lessons
we
learned
about
barriers
to
shelter
entry
through
that
through
that
process.
C
C
So
we
we
opened
up
that
facility
really
in
the
very
early
onset
of
the
pandemic,
with
the
focus
on
it
being
really
a
self-isolation
center,
so
not
necessarily
a
shelter
but
really
a
place
where
people
that
are
homeless
and
do
not
have
a
way
to
self-isolate,
either
way
awaiting
their
test
results
or
potentially
being
tested
positive
to
go.
So
we
obviously
have.
C
I
think,
as
for
your
question,
regarding
the
kind
of
location
of
services
in
our
community
again,
because
obviously
this
facility
was
not
necessarily
set
up
in
a
in
a
way
that
people
were
able
to
kind
of
move
around
outside
of
the
facility
and
and
and
go
back
and
forth.
I
think
it's
it's
hard
to
kind
of
comment
on
that
in
this
particular
situation.
G
C
Yeah
through
you,
mr
chair,
so
yes,
the
west
end
facility
is
closed.
We
again,
knowing
you
know
six
months,
I
guess
now
into
the
pandemic.
We
have
a
better
sense
of
of
what
we
need
in
kind
of
that
self-isolation,
piece,
testing
and
and
turn
around
of
testing
has
has
obviously
improved
significantly.
C
D
Mr
chair,
if
I
may,
if
I
may
add
just
to
that
so
yes,
the
the
center
obviously
has
been
the
self-isolation
center,
which
was
not
a
shelter
as
director
and
autograph
indicated
has
been
closed.
I
I
do
want
to
point
out.
One
thing
for
for
the
committee
is
that
the
building
itself
is
is
designed
in
such
a
way
that
would
make
some
type
of
supportive
housing
in
the
future.
D
Though
quite
practical,
because,
as
we
know,
a
number
of
individuals
need
need
the
care
and
the
services
on
site
24
7
and
are
looking
for
some
some
sense
of
community
as
well
in
terms
of
where
they
reside
so
the
way
that
the
building
was
designed
like
113
lower
union.
It
does
lend
itself
quite
well
for
for
that
purpose,
potentially.
H
H
C
Thank
you
through
you,
mr
chair.
The
answer
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge
is
no
or
very
limited.
There
might
be
a
few
units
that
are
currently
being
transferred
to
new
tenants,
but
obviously
we
work
closely
with
our
providers
to
to
really
work
towards
having
all
the
units
that
we
have
in
our
system,
which
is
about
2003
available
to
to
our
clients.
B
C
C
Okay,
thanks
for
clarifying
that
question
through
you
and
mr
chair,
so
I
think
a
few
things
that
that
I
would
kind
of
say
to
that.
First
of
all,
absolutely
if,
if
there
are
willing
landlords
that
have
affordable
units
that
they
would
like
to,
you
know
offer
to
to
individuals
that
that
need
an
affordable
unit.
There
are
a
few
ways
that
we
can
can
support
that
on.
C
So
that
could
be
an
option.
The
other
option
that
I
I
would
like
to
point
out
is
we
have
a
a
a
program,
a
secondary,
affordable,
secondary
suite
program
that
we
have
in
place
to
support
land
landlords
or
individual
homeowners
that
have
a
secondary
suites
to
if
to
kind
of
get
some
some
subsidy,
some
funding
to
potentially
make
some
renovations
and
then
offer
that
unit
up
up
to
80
percent
average
market
to
to
a
to
a
an
individual.
C
I
I
have
not
obviously
been
able
to
get
those
numbers
based
on
you
asking
me
the
question
just
now,
but
I
also
do
know
that
we
have
been
quite
successful
in
adding
secondary
suites
in
our
community
by
allowing
to
kind
of
extend
that
that
ability
more
broader
into
our
community.
So
I
think
that
is
certainly
a
really
good
opportunity.
H
H
H
C
C
C
It
really
also
depends
on
kind
of
the
supports
that
the
individual
would
need,
while
they're
accessing,
for
instance,
a
hotel
or
a
motel.
So
we
have
been
working
with
our
partners
and
with
hotels,
and
there
have
been
hotels
that
are
quite
willing
to
support
that,
but
it
does
really
come
back
to
the
ability
to
have
staffing
in
place
to
to
provide
that
that
support
within
within
the
within
the
system.
So
it's
definitely
on
the
table.
We
have
been
utilizing
it.
C
It's
typically
a
more
like
lower
acuity
clients
that
that
may
not
need
the
supports
as
much,
but
it's
definitely
an
option
and
we
have
offered
it
and-
and
we
continue
to
offer
it,
and
we
have
been
utilizing
it
in
the
past
as
well.
But
it
quite
often
is
that
really
that
partnership
between
or
redefining
the
appropriate
staffing
and
supports
to
to
support
people,
while
they're
in
hotels.
C
C
If,
if
we
have
that
opportunity
to
support
the
clients
either
if
it's,
for
instance,
a
client,
that's
on
ontario
works
or
social
assistance
that
it
that
has
been
in
a
fire,
but
also
if
the
client
and
the
acuity
and
the
staffing
all
lines
up,
then
we
we
can
and
have
utilize
that
option
I
mean
I
know
over
the
last
few
months
we
have
had
clients
in
hotels
to
to
support
them
again.
I
cannot
speak
to
the
actual.
I.
H
F
Great
thanks
very
much
mr
chair.
Through
you,
I
have
a
question
about
the
tiny
homes
pilot
project,
so
the
report
says
that
there's
going
to
be
a
pilot
project
on
city
property
that
staff's
working
with
with
a
partner-
and
it
says
that
we'll
be
getting
an
update
sometime
in
2020.
So
I
just
wonder
with
covid:
are
we
still
going
to
be
getting
an
update
sometime
this
fall
and
would
it
be
coming
to
this
committee,
or
will
it
be
coming
to.
C
D
Thank
you
and
andrew
mr
chair.
So
yes,
the
the
update
will
come
to
to
committee
and
and
council
this
fall,
so
it
will
most
likely
counselor
osanic
go
to
to
the
housing
and
homelessness
committee
first,
because
it
is
going
to
be
a
different
kind
of
project
and
and
also
arrangement
in
terms
of
tiny
homes.
D
So
we
we
obviously
would
like
to
work
with
that
committee.
The
fall
winter
time
frame
is
a
result
of
covid
because
we
were
actually
making
some
pretty
good
progress
before
covid
hit,
and
otherwise
we
would
have
probably
already
been
at
a
committee.
So
obviously
because
it
does
include
a
city
property.
There
may
be
a
conversation
that
also
is
required
in
closed
session
with
council,
depending
on
how
the
partnership
is
structured.
So
we'll
we'll
have
to
look
at
that,
I
can.
D
F
Great
thanks
so
much
the
four
west
end
counselors,
we
had
a
town
hall
last
week
and
there
was
only
like
45
people
or
so
that
called
in,
but
three
people
specifically
asked
us
about
tiny
homes.
So
it
seems
that
there's
a
definite
interest
out
there
in
the
community
that
china
they
want
to
see
tiny
homes
be
implemented,
as
you
know,
possible
solutions
to
leave
alleviate
homelessness.
So
thanks
for
that
answer,
we'll
look
forward
to
those
details
later
on.
C
C
But
again
I
I
I
would
not
be
the
expert
to
kind
of
report
on
that
at
this
point,
but
we
definitely
will
look
at
that
kind
of
as
part
of
the
review.
I
think
what
we
do
see
is
that
the
family,
shelter
obviously
is
is
we
are.
We
have
a
shelter
that
is
set
up
in
a
way
and
depending
on
kind
of
the
size
of
the
family
and
kind
of
how
the
how
that
works
with
the
existing
kind
of
families
in
the
shelter.
C
It
is
always
really
a
bit
challenging
to
to
reflect
the
capacity,
because
you
could
have
capacity,
and
you
have
maybe
a
small
family
that
will
access
the
shelter
which
works,
but
then,
if
it's
a
larger
family
that
sometimes
might
be
a
little
bit
more
challenging
to
to
fit
in
the
current
setup.
What
what
I
would
like
to
say
and
kind
of
in
follow-up
on
that
question
regarding
hotels
is
that
quite
often
for
families,
a
hotel
option
or
a
kind
of
almost
more
like
a
you
know.
C
A
facility
with
some
kind
of
short-term
rental
is
is,
is
a
quite
a
good
overflow
option
as
well,
but
yeah
to
answer
your
question,
definitely
you're
seeing
a
bit
of
an
increase,
and
we
do
have
that
same
kind
of
interpretation
that
it
might
have
been,
especially
in
the
first
few
months
of
covets,
kind
of
that
uncertainty
for
families
of
if
they
want
to
kind
of
access.
A
facility
like
that.
B
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
to
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
for
that
question.
I
I
think
to
be
very
transparent.
I
wish
I
would
have
a
really
exact
number.
I
mean
you
have
seen,
for
instance,
the
number
that
we
have
on
the
by
name
list,
which
is
giving
us
a
good
starting
point.
We
also
have
been
reviewing
our
obviously
through
the
10-year
housing
and
homelessness
plan
work.
We
know
that
there
is
definitely
a
gap.
C
I
think
that
complexity
at
this
point-
and
I
think
that
that
is
also
part
of
of
kind
of
some
of
the
conversations
that
we
would
like
to
have
moving
forward-
is
that
we
know
that
we
have
a
multitude
of
wait
lists.
We
obviously
have
our
own
social
housing
wait
list
which
which,
which
would
also
include
some
individuals
that
would
be
looking
at
a
supportive
or
a
social
housing,
supportive
units.
C
C
Well
through
you
or
to
you,
mr
chair,
I
I
think
that
is
definitely
a
really
good
starting
point,
but
I
think,
but
I
think
we
also
have
to
keep
in
mind
that
there
might
be
people
that
are
currently
housed
and
might
be
provide,
be
provided
with
support
services
or
might
have
family
or
members
that
are
supporting
them.
So
I
I
think
I
think
that
is
a
really
good
point.
I
mean
it's
definitely
at
least
135.
C
I
would
assume
it's
more
but
from
the
homelessness
system
and
and
having
the
ability
now
to
really
work
through
the
by
name
list,
which
is
a
new
tool
that
we
have
implemented
earlier
this
year
gives
us
a
really
good
starting
point
to
truly
understand
kind
of
from
the
homelessness
system.
What's
what
the
needs
are.
I
think
what
what
I
would
like
to
add
is
that
there
is
quite
often
also
other.
Sometimes
it
is
a
concurrence
piece
where
there
might
also
be
some.
C
B
When
I
was
after,
obviously
it
was
a
critical
number
to
address
the
circumstances
that
we
now
immediately
face.
I
realized
people
will
coach
surf
and
all
that
sort
of
thing,
but
or
stay
with
friends
and
all
that,
but
if
they're
on
the
street,
this
is
clearly
our
media
that
I'm
definitely
dealing
with
on
a
daily
basis.
So
my
other
question
was:
is
what
happens
when
the
artillery
park
closes
september
30th?
B
C
This
pilot
will
end
obviously
by
the
end
of
september,
but
the
focus
is
to
continue
this
service
after,
but
obviously
we
are,
we're
are
working
on
on
that,
as
as
we
speak
and
I'm
hoping
to
be
able
to
get
back
to
council
with
with
some
options
shortly.
I
know
ceo
hurdle
has
her
hand
up
as
well,
so
she
might
be
interested
in
adding
some
some
information
there.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
for
for
that
question.
So
we
we
are
working
actually
we're
narrowing
down
a
few
options
in
terms
of
potential
relocation.
Before
the
end
of
september.
For
this
service,
we
anticipate
the
service
will
continue
to
be
needed
in
the
community.
Just
like
the
warming
center
last
winter
was
quite,
I
think,
quite
helpful
in
the
community.
D
B
Fair
enough
clearly,
this
is
crucial.
If
we're
closing
bell
park,
then
that's
based
on
the
idea.
It
seems
to
me
that
the
we're
going
to
have
something
to
replace
the
cooling
center
at
the
end
of
september
and
I'll
get
back.
I
just
I
just
that's
my
only
that's
my
point
for
now.
I
got
other
points
about
this,
but
I
see
counselor
bone
but
counselor
stroud
was
first
okay,.
E
Right,
I
do
have
a
question
and
it
doesn't
need
to
be
answered
today
with
anything
other
than
a
timeline.
If
the
answer
is
not
available
today.
I'd
just
like
to
know
when
it
will
be
available,
but
the
question
is
because,
in
the
report
there's
there's
a
there's
several
references
to
the
90,
affordable
housing
units
at
1316,
princess
street,
which
is
a
new
housing
development
on
a
city-owned
property,
and
it
relates
to
the
question
I
had
earlier.
E
C
For
you,
mr
chair,
thanks
for
that
question-
and
that
is
definitely
a
really
important
piece-
and
we
did
not
put
that
in
this
report,
because
it
definitely
requires
probably
a
very
fulsome
conversation
on
its
own.
You
might
recall
that
we
have
you
know
we.
We
have
done
some
work
on
the
end
of
operating
and
end
of
mortgage
agreements
and
we're
definitely
working
our
way
through
that
and
and
and
to
your
question,
you're
you're,
absolutely
right
that
we
we
do
need
to
have
that
conversation.
C
We
can
definitely
prepare
that
for
a
next
arc
meeting
to
give
you
some
insights
or
or
a
bit
of
an
update
on
kind
of
where
that
that
stands
again.
That
really
also
goes
back
to
some
of
the
provincial
direction
that
we
have
received
on
the
end
of
operating
and
end
of
mortgage
agreements,
but
but
we
can
definitely
commit
to
bring
bring
that
back
to
the
next
arts,
recreation
and
community
services
committee.
B
Thank
you
I
I
should
have
said
something
earlier
that
if
staff
needs
to
come
to
the
council
or
this
committee,
because
they've
got
a
line
on
a
building
that
replaces
the
cooling
center,
I'm
quite
sure
that
the
committee
would
be
willing
to
facilitate
that.
I
see
nodding
heads
everywhere
so
because
I
think
we
recognize
we're
in
a
critical
situation
and
and
I'm
quite
sure
we
only
meet
every
couple
of
months.
The
last
time
was
what
january
or
something
so
that
goes
for
the
last
question
as
well.
B
I
Mr
speaker,
everybody
hear
me:
okay,
yeah,
I
guess
my
question
was
just
in
regards
to
next
steps.
After
artillery,
park
closes
as
the
cooling
center
and
what
possible
locations
we're
looking
at
just
because
some
of
the
concerns
that
I've
heard
and
some
of
the
things
mentioned
are
basically
like
how
like
a
central
location
in
essence
and
access
to
other
resources.
I
So
is
that
something
that
that's
being
considered
as
far
as
where
the
next
phase
would
be
after
artillery
park,
because
if
we
locate
it
in
a
spot,
that
is,
I
guess,
not
accessible
or
less
accessible
for
those
who
are
needing
to
access
it.
We
kind
of
create
an
additional
issue,
which
is
how
do
the
people
who
need
access
and
actually
access
it
and,
in
turn,
then
get
access
to
the
other
resources
that
they
need.
D
So
we
are
very
mindful
of
that.
We
understand
that
an
integrated
care
hub
is
is
different
than
than
housing,
for
example,
where
people
may
be
comfortable
in
terms
of
housing
being
in
you
know
the
west
end
or
the
east
end
of
the
city.
We
understand
that
when
it
comes
to
either
shelter
services
and
this
integrated
care
hub,
it
needs
to
be
centrally
located.
D
We
saw
that
through
through
the
relocation
of
some
of
our
shelter
services
during
coven
19,
so
we
we,
we
got
that
message
quite
loud
and
clear.
The
the
other
thing,
too,
is
we're
we're
looking
at
the
surrounding
areas,
because
we
know,
for
I
I
mean
I'm
sure
you're,
seeing
some
of
the
emails
that
are
coming
through
as
well,
but
there
are
definitely
a
lot
of
concerns
right
now
from
surrounding
neighbors
with
artillery
park.
So
we
are.
G
That's
better,
I
think,
sorry,
mr
chair,
why
do
you
just
want
to
clarify
in
talking
about
issues
related
to
bell
park?
I
had
emailed
to
director
nardograph
earlier.
I'm
just
wondering
how
many
of
the
135
people
on
our
homelessness
list
that
was
mentioned
in
the
report.
Do
we
know
to
have
been
encamped
at
bell
park?
G
C
C
One
step
the
by
name
list
is
a
tool
that
all
of
our
community
agencies
can
use
to
basically
capture
clients
that
are
either
you
know
in
the
shelters
are
living
rough,
and
so
it
really
gives
us
that
kind
of
integrated
opportunity
to
have
one
list
with
with
a
really
kind
of
real-time
understanding.
Of
of
how
many
people
we
we
to
our
best
kind
of
estimate
are,
are
considered
homeless
or
chronic
homeless.
C
I
would
say
that,
as
we
have
introduced
this
late
2019,
I
would
say
the
accuracy
is
about
you
know,
I
would
say
we
have
about
a
five
to
ten
percent
variance,
while
we'll
still,
while
we're
still
kind
of
updating
and
innovating.
This
list
to
your
question.
So
each
individual
at
bell
park
that
has
received
service
from
one
of
our
agencies
has
been
added
to
the
list
either
and
there's
two
ways
to
add
people
to
the
list.
C
Obviously
there
is
the
ability
to
identify
somebody
on
the
list
with
their
information,
so
there
is
that
kind
of
integrated
care
possibility
between
agencies.
But
if
people
don't
want
to
be
added
to
the
list,
we
can
also
use
still
at
that
individual
without
going
into
any
kind
of
information
or
names
and
in
front
and
and
other
pieces
of
information
about
the
client
so
long
story
short.
We
are
feeling
pretty
confident
that
everybody
at
bell
park
is
on
that
list
and
I
think
further
to
to
that
point.
Obviously
we
also
with
this
by
name.
C
This
have
the
ability
to
really
see
trends
and
and
kind
of
you
know
things
that
that
might
change
in
the
next
little
while
so,
for
instance,
if-
and
I
know,
we've
had
questions
around
this,
if
we
suddenly
see
a
increase
in
clients
from
other
communities
that
are
accessing
our
services,
we
would
be
able
to
see
that
through
the
by
name
list
as
well
as
a
service
manager,
and
we
would
be
able
to
to
address
it.
We
also
would,
for
instance,
be
able
to
see
things
around
a
gender
age.
C
Self-Identification
there's
really
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
really
use
that
that
information
on
the
binding
list
to
to
respond-
and
you
might
see
in
the
report
as
well
and-
and
this
is
new-
because
we
we
did
not
have
that
tool
up
until
about
six
months
ago.
It
really
allows
us
to
have
that
real-time
information
and
to
respond
to
that
accordingly.
C
B
H
D
H
H
The
primary
shelter
supplier
has
much
fewer
uptake
in
that
now.
Are
we
still
paying
them
on
on
the
basis
of
of
bed
usage
and
are?
Are
we
still
flowing
flowing
that
money
to
them?
The
reason
I
ask
is
that
there
could
be
some
needs
that
grow
from
us
having
a
more
aggressive
approach
to
trying
to
alleviate
the
homeless
situation
and,
if
we're
still
paying
them
as
if
they
have
full
shelters,
that's
kind
of
counterproductive.
Could
you
speak
to
that?
Please.
A
C
Three,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
for
that
question,
so
we
are
definitely
looking
at
again
as
part
of
the
the
system
as
a
whole
kind
of
looking
at
the
needs
and
and
the
agreements
and
the
expenses
just
one
kind
of
piece
there.
So
so
so
I
guess
absolutely
we
we
are
looking
at
kind
of
the
full
picture
from
both
a
client
and
financial
client
needs
kind
of
services
and
and
financial
kind
of
model.
C
We
are,
I
mean
the
way
that
our
system
has
been
set
up
is
not
on
a
per
diem.
So
it's
not
like
based
on
nights
and
stays
it
is.
We
have
existing
service
level
agreements
with
our
providers
with
certain
kind
of
expectations
and
deliverables
again.
That
obviously,
would
be
part
of
a
bigger
kind
of
conversation
that
we
would
like
to
have
in
the
next
few
months.
C
Keep
in
mind
that,
although
shelter
capacity
might
have
gone
down,
there
might
have
been
there,
there
might
be
a
few
additional
costs,
such
as
cleaning
and
screening
that
the
shelter
is
incurring.
So
it's
not
necessarily
a
conversation
around
like
just
the
kind
of
the
reduction
of
of
clients,
but
we
definitely
are
having
those
conversations
with
with
our
providers
across
the
board.
You
know,
obviously
our
youth
services,
our
adult
shelter
and
I
think,
that's
really
an
important
question
to
ask
moving
forward.
H
I
I
appreciate
that,
and
I
know
that
there
are
additional
costs,
such
as
as
cleaning.
I
guess,
though,
it
concerns
me
if
we're
paying
for
what
was
a
contract
established
with
the
idea
of
having
full
service
and
because
of
the
situation,
we're
in
it's
only
partial
service
or
minimal
service,
that's
being
provided.
H
B
B
B
E
Just
a
quick
comment,
my
last
question
and
director
and
autograph
mentioned.
Perhaps
at
the
next
meeting
of
this
committee
we
could
have
a
report
about
the
aging
assets
for
affordable
housing.
I
mean
the
timeline
is
up
to
staff
as
long
as
maybe
I'd
be
happy
by
the
end
of
the
year,
but
it's
just
something
that
needs
to
be
included
in
the
conversation
and
I
think
I'm
happy
to
leave
it
as
that,
just
to
make
sure
that
we
do
get
that
aging
acid
information
before
too
too
long.
B
B
B
B
B
In
the
10-year
plan
and
there's
a
number
of
other
places
where
we
don't,
we
have
identified
that
we
could
do
things
if
we
could
get
additional
capital
and
or
operating
funds.
So
what
often
happens
is
that
doesn't
get
done
because
we
don't
get
those
contributions,
and
so
that's
really
concerning
I'm
also
concerned
about
the.
B
B
So
those
are
concerning
points
where
we,
I
think
we
need
more
information
as
a
committee
and
as
a
council.
So
we
have
an
idea
what
whether
we
can
actually
get
there
and
we-
and
you
know
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out-
is
staff
have
correctly
identified
that
we
need
a
facility
that
involves
mental
health
and
health
and
addiction
and
community
services.
You
know
once
you
know
it
stops
context
and
I
think
that's
clearly
looking
at
the
bell
park
situation
in
particular,
but
in.
B
That
staff
and
myself
are
having
to
deal
with
at
artillery
park
and
at
the
street
health
where
and
doug
fleur
park
is
it's
bell?
Park's,
not
the
only
problem.
We've
got
so
it's
that
kind
of
facility
that
we
need
and,
of
course,
that's
gonna.
We
need
funding,
we
can't
do
it
without
funding
so
either
our
own
and.
D
So
three,
thank
you,
mr
chair,
for
for
those
comments,
questions
I'm
going
to
be
very
brief,
you're,
absolutely
right
that
we
do
need
support
from
other
agencies
and
other
levels
of
government,
especially
on
the
operating
side.
I
I
think
from
a
capital
perspective,
we
will
be
bringing
more
information
this.
This
fall
winter
on
the
1316
princess
street,
that
one
and
and
others
are
easier
to
to
achieve
from
a
capital
perspective.
A
Mr
chair,
sorry,
just
a
reminder
that
for
this
report
to
make
it
to
the
next
council
meeting
on
august
11
11,
there
is
a
need
for
the
oh.
Yes,
if
it
so
desires
to
to
just
amend
the
initial
clause
so
that
it
can
be
reported
out
to
next
tuesday's
meeting.
It
will
be
included
on
an
addendum
going
out
this
friday.
If
the
committee
passes
such
an
amendment-
and
I
think
james
can
pop
that
up
if
needed,
but
it
seems
pretty
clear.
A
B
Okay,
movement,
counselor
stroud,
second
by
council,
neil
counselor,
neil
excuse
me,
and
the
reporting
out
everybody's
clear
about
what's
happening
here-
we're
sort
of
jumping
the
queue
a
bit,
but
I
think
we
all
recognize
why
it
needs
to
be
done.
So
all
those
in
favor
of
the
amendment
to
the
motion.
B
B
B
The
names
there
are
appointed
to
the
mayor's
arts
awards
nominations
working
group.
Do
I
have
a
mover
counselor
stroud
could
counselor
sonic.
Could
you
do
that?
Thank
you
because
counselor
neil
probably
doesn't
think
that
it's
appropriate
so
and
we
know
what
a
sticky
letter
is
so
and
it
and
it's
good.
So
all
those
does
anyone
have
anything
to
say
about
this.
You
know
okay,
one,
two,
three
we're
done
with
that:
okay,
all
those
in
favor.
B
Okay,
thank
you
that
passes
item
eight
is
motions.
There
are
none
nine
notices
of
motion,
seeing
none
10,
other
business,
11
correspondence,
12
date
and
time.
The
next
meeting
is
october
22nd,
but
I
have
a
feeling
it
might
be
sooner
than
that,
based
on
what
the
cao
and
and
ms
nortograph
said
and-
and
I'm
presuming
we're
we're
all
in
for
that,
if
we
have
to
be
so
number
13
is
adjournment,
move
the
mover
for
a
german
council
from
neil
a
very
big
rush.
B
Anyone
else
comes
through
sonic,
all
those
in
favor
that
we're
done
we're
adjourned.
Thank
you
so
much
everybody.
It
was
a
bit
touch
and
go
there
at
the
beginning.
I
was
glad
to
find
out
that
I
wasn't
the
only
one
that
was
having
technical
problems,
and
so
I
was
thinking
they
won't.
I
can't
even
get
a
hold
of
this.