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Arts, Recreation and Community Policies Committee from March 9, 2021. For the full meeting agenda visit https://bit.ly/30tUw6f.
A
So
I'll
call
the
meeting
to
order,
and
the
first
item
is
the
approval
of
the
agenda.
Do
I
have
a
mover
counselor
sonic
and
I
can't
see
the
others?
That's
a
mclaren
and
there's
council
rooster
off,
which
is
always
good,
see
I'm
just
checking
to
make
sure
there's
nobody
else
here.
Okay,
you've
got,
we've
got
a.
A
So
any
addition,
subtractions
additions.
A
There'll
be
a
bit
of
a
pause.
When
I
ask
those
questions,
because
I
can't
see
you
all
simultaneously
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
of
the
agenda
is
presented
and
that
I
presume
passes
the
confirmation
of
the
minutes
of
december
2nd
2020.
A
Do
we
have
a
mover
for
those
minutes
considered
the
sanic
seconded
by
council
oosteroff?
He
didn't
no.
A
Passes
and
disclosure
of
bikini
interest
do
we
have
any
not
seeing
any
okay.
The
next
is
delegations,
there
are
none
and
then
we
have
two
briefings.
A
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
I
sure
am
here.
I
am.
I
also
have
good
evening
members
of
of
the
committee.
I
I
haven't
been
that
an
arc
meeting
in
a
while,
so
bear
with
me.
So
I
I
do
also
have
a
presentation
for
the
committee
members,
because
I
recognize
that
the
report
that's
in
front
of
you-
has
a
lot
of
content
so
wanted
to
get
a
chance
to
provide
you
with
some
of
the
highlights.
C
So
we
know
that
the
time
frame
is
limited
because,
typically,
we
issue
the
permits
and
and
the
contracts
with
our
and
licenses
with
our
vendors
by
the
end
of
march
next
slide.
C
Please
so
we
have
five
markets
in
in
kingston,
and
two
of
them
are
currently
located
on
city
property.
One
of
them
was
located
on
city
property
for
a
while,
which
is
the
one
in
the
west
west
end.
So
the
west
market
was
actually
at
memorial
center
for
a
period
of
time.
C
Sorry
at
center
70
for
a
period
of
time
it
in
its
last
year
of
operation,
it
did
relocate
to
a
the
rendale
mall,
which
is
basically
across
the
street,
but
we
do
have
the
kingston
public
market,
obviously
that
operates
on
our
springer
market
square
and
the
memorial
center
farmers
market
that
operates
at
the
memorial
center.
Those
are
on
city
properties.
C
The
other
two
are
not
on
city
property,
which
are
westbrook
farmers
market,
that's
on
a
church
property,
and
then
we
also
have
community
harvest
market
which
is
operated
on
weller
avenue,
and
that's
done
with
the
kingston
community
health
centers.
So
out
of
those
five
markets,
we
are
expecting
the
public
market,
the
memorial
center
market
and
the
community
harvest
market
to
operate
this
year
in
2021.
C
We
have
not
yet
received
compensation
for
the
westbrook
west
farmers
market
and
the
west
market
kingston,
so
we're
still
in
conversation
with
those,
but
we
haven't
yet
received
confirmation,
recognizing
obviously
that
coven
19
has
had
significant
impacts
on
on
those
markets.
Next
slide,
please.
C
So,
to
give
you
an
overview
of
the
kingston
public
market,
more
specifically
because
a
lot
of
the
proposed
changes
are
focused
on
this
particular
market.
We
wanted
to
provide
you
a
sense
of
the
the
attendance
and
the
number
of
vendors
that
we've
had
over
the
years,
so
this
actually
goes
all
the
way
back
to
2009.
C
So
it
does
give
you
a
kind
of
a
broad
range.
I
would
say
that
2020
is
not
really
a
reliable
year,
because
if
we
were
during
a
pandemic,
so
we
know
that
there
are
some
vendors
that
actually
chose
not
to
attend
because
of
that,
so
our
numbers
were
much
lower
in
terms
of
attendance,
but
looking
at
you
know
even
2019
or
2018,
I
think
what
we've
seen
is
a
is
a
reduction
over
the
years.
Looking
back
at
2009,
we
had
a
total
of
50
vendors
and
even
2018-19.
C
We
were
down
to
33,
so
there
has
been
a
reduction
over
the
years
and
it's
been
in
all
category.
We
recognize
that,
but
we
also
know
that
council
wants
to
try
to
find
ways
to
better
support
local
food
and
local
producers.
So
that
is
the
focus
that
we
have
taken
in
terms
of
this
particular
review
next
slide,
please.
C
So
we
had
a
number
of
discussions
with
different
groups
organizations,
so
we
did
consult
with
loving
spoonful
the
national
farmers
union
memorial
center
farmers
market
representatives.
Tourism
kingston,
of
course,
have
been
quite
involved
in
this
process
and
a
number
of
vendors
from
the
kingston
public
market.
So
we've
had
individual
conversations
as
a
starting
point
and
then
we
also
held
a
a
meeting
where
we
brought
the
stakeholders
together
to
have
a
bit
of
a
discussion
around
the
proposed
changes.
C
So
we
have
had
a
you
know,
different
different
changes
or
draft
changes
that
we
circulated,
and
then
we
got
some
feedback
and
met
again
to
make
sure
that
we
could
try
to
address
most
of
the
concerns
that
were
being
raised
by
the
various
parties.
C
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
there
are
a
number
of
recommendations
in
the
report.
Some
of
them
are
shorter
terms,
so
some
of
them
would
apply
for
2021,
but
we
recognize
that
some
of
them
would
have
to
be
a
longer
term
approach
just
because
of
the
amount
of
change
that
it
would
require
next
slide.
Please.
C
So
looking
at
the
20
2021
proposed
changes
and,
more
specifically,
to
the
kingston
public
market
bylaws.
So
one
of
the
things
we
wanted
to
do
is
provide
further
clarification:
around
definitions
of
who's,
a
producer
who's,
a
reseller,
because
we
had
all
kinds
of,
I
think
terminology
that
was
being
utilized
in
the
bylaw.
C
We
talked
about
farmers,
we
talked
about
producers,
so
it
was
a
little
bit
all
over
the
place
and
looking
at
some
of
the
best
practices
as
well
in
our
discussion
with
the
key
stakeholders,
what
what
was
identified
is
basically
producers
defined
as
someone
who
produces
80
or
more
of
their
content,
and
that
doesn't
mean
just
fruit
and
vegetables.
For
example,
we
have
producers
of
maple
syrups
that
that
are
at
our
market,
so
those
would
fall
under
the
producer.
C
Category
resellers
would
be
those
that
would
have
less
than
that,
and
typically
we
would
notice
the
resellers
because
they
have
a
variety
of
produce
and
some
of
them
that
are
not
available
in
canada.
Typically
ever
so,
we
would
be
able
to
notice
or
know
quite
quickly
who
the
resellers
might
be
the
crafters.
C
We
have
not
necessarily
change
that
definition.
C
We
have
added
food
sampling
in
our
definitions,
because
one
of
the
things
that
we've
heard
through
the
process
was
that
the
vendors
would
like
to
have
the
ability
to
prepare
this
play
and
provide
food
sampling
as
well.
They
felt
it
was
a
good
way
for
people
to
connect
to
the
food
and
also
create
an
ambiance
in
the
in
the
market,
where
we've
also
made
a
few
changes
to
special
events
to
include
filming
activity,
because
the
last
time
that
the
bylaw
was
updated.
C
Actually,
I
believe
I
updated
it
the
very
last
time
and
that
would
have
been
probably
in
my
role
as
either
director
of
recreation
or
commissioner,
so
it
was
a
while
ago
and
at
that
time,
filming
was
not
high
on
the
list
of
activities
that
we
had.
So
we
did
add
filming
in
terms
of
our
special
events.
Next
slide.
C
Okay-
sorry,
sorry,
okay,
that's
good!
So
the
probably
the
most
or
I
should
say
that
the
biggest
concern
that
was
raised
by
vendors
and
by
vendors
I
mean
the
producers,
which,
of
course
are
the
ones
we
were
trying
to
work
with.
Primarily
was
the
fact
that
our
bylaw
required
such
a
high
attendance
66
of
three
days,
tuesday,
thursday
and
saturday,
to
maintain
their
seniority.
So
for
a
number
of
producers,
people
that
actually,
you
know,
are
working
on
the
farm
are
producing.
C
They
felt
that
that
was
way
too
much
and
they
could
not
commit
to
that
level
of
attendance,
and
you
probably
are
aware
that
other
markets,
such
as
memorial
center,
for
example,
only
have
one
day
of
attendance,
and
I
think
what
we've
heard
through
the
discussions
that
we've
had
and
from
the
producers
was
that
one
day
of
attendance
per
week
would
be
reasonable.
C
So
we
did
propose
a
change
in
the
bylaw
to
basically
require
a
minimum
of
one
day
of
attendance
for
producers.
Only
now
it
doesn't
mean
producers
cannot
attend
more
often
they
can.
If
some
of
them
choose
or
would
like
to
be
there
three
days,
they
can
definitely
do
that,
but
we
wanted
to
remove
that
requirement.
That's
currently
in
place
because
66
percent
of
the
the
the
three
days
there
was
just
too
much.
C
It
was
too
much
for
for
the
producers
and
a
number
of
them
were
concerned
that
they
were
going
to
lose
their
seniority
if
they
weren't
able
to
attend
as
often
and
of
course
we
want
them
to
keep
their
seniority
because
we
want
them
to
be
able
to
have
prominence
within
the
market
so
to
help
them
we're
proposing
to
reduce
that
attendance
that
minimum
attendance
requirement
next
slide.
Please.
C
So,
reduction
of
fees,
so
we
we
had
quite
a
few
conversations
around
this
one
and
basically,
what
was
I
think
proposed
at
the
end
of
all
the
discussions
that
we've
had
was
that
the
city
would
consider
a
50
reduction
in
the
fee
in
in
exchange
for
a
donation
by
bi-weekly
donation,
to
a
service
like
food
bank
or
loving
spoonful,
martha,
stable,
etc.
C
And
I
think
what
was
noted
by
a
number
of
vendors
was
that
the
a
large
number
of
them
already
provide
donations
at
different
times
during
the
season.
So
they
they
didn't,
necessarily
feel
that
this
would
be
an
added
or
would
be
cumbersome
now.
The
way
that
we've
proposed
it
and
structured
it
is
that
it
would
be
optional,
so
it
doesn't
mean
that
they
have
to.
C
It
means
that
they
have
the
option
so
for
those
that
it
makes
sense
and
they
can
actually
provide
a
donation,
they
can
request
a
50
reduction
in
fee
and
for
others
they
would
prefer
not
to
to
donate
and
prefer
to
try
to
sell
their
stock
depending
on
what
they're
producing.
C
In
that
case,
they
would
not
receive
the
50
reduction
in
fee.
We're
also
proposing
a
reduction
for
the
casual
vendors,
so
the
casual
vendors
are
the
ones
that
are
coming
in
with
basically
a
daily
permit.
They
don't
have
a
seasonal
permit
and
we're
proposing
to
remove
the
fee
that
was
applicable
to
a
request
for
sabbatical
or
leave
of
absence,
and,
to
be
honest,
that
was
rarely
ever
utilized.
C
So
I'm
not
sure
why
it
I-
and
there
was
very,
I
think,
little
work
involved
with
this
particular
process,
so
we're
proposing
to
remove
that
fee
as
well.
C
The
city
is
still
overall
responsible
for
the
costs
that
are
related
to
the
market,
with
the
market
clerk
that
we
have
as
well
as
some
of
the
marketing
that
we
are
providing
for
the
market
next
slide.
Please.
C
So
for
other
markets,
what
we
are
proposing,
because
the
other
markets
are
truly
farmers
markets,
so
the
memorial
center
farmers
market
has
producers
only
they
do
not
have
resellers
and
west
market.
Kingston
was
the
same
thing
when
it
was
operating
and
again
we're
unsure
if
it
will
be
operating
or
not
this
coming
year,
but
we
are
proposing
to
waive
the
fees
for
these
two
markets
because
they
are
producers
market.
C
C
C
So
some
of
the
other
changes
that
are
being
proposed.
I
think
what
we
also
heard
in
our
probably
more
in
our
last
conversations
with
our
stakeholder
was
the
importance
to
to
have
more
notification
if
there
were
going
to
be
changes
to
the
market.
C
So
our
current
bylaw
actually
only
provides
for
a
one
week
notice
if
there
is
a
cancellation
or
relocation,
and
it
was
noted
that
that's
a
very
short
period
of
time
and
in
2019
staff
actually
did
a
survey
with
the
public
market
vendors
and
at
that
time
it
was
agreed
that
they
would
pilot
a
two
weeks
notice
with
advertising
or
notification
through
the
city
and
tourism
kingston.
To
try
to
make
sure
people
were
aware.
C
So
when
we
had
our
discussions
with
the
stakeholders,
a
number
of
them
indicated
that
two
weeks
was
obviously
not
enough
and
suggested
six
to
eight
weeks.
So
from
a
staff
perspective.
We
did
take
that
into
consideration,
but
we
also
took
into
consideration
the
fact
that
sometimes
we
have-
or
we
may
have
significant
events
or
filming
activity
where
we
may
not
have
six
to
eight
weeks
notice.
So
it's
very
hard
to
work
with
especially
eight
weeks,
we're
talking
about
two
months
notice
that
that's
a
long
time.
C
So
what
we
proposed
was
to
change
the
notice
time,
which
is
currently
one
week
to
four
weeks
where
possible.
So
that's
a
significant
increase
from
where
the
bylaw
currently
is
at.
C
I
just
also
maybe
want
to
note
that
in
the
we
went
back
and
looked
at
in
the
last
decade,
we
actually
had
to
cancel
the
market
or
relocate
the
market
once
and
we
shortened
the
hours
by
two
hours
I
believe,
another
time.
So
over
the
10-year
period
there
was
one
cancellation
and
one
event
where
we
had
to
reduce
the
hours
of
operating
two
hours
next
slide.
Please.
C
So
a
few
other
recommendations
that
came
came
out
through
our
engagement
process.
One
was
to
create
a
more
inviting
space
so
going
back
to
serving
food,
and
I
talked
about
the
food
sampling
earlier,
so
I
think
that's
something
that
was
raised
by
a
number
of
vendors.
They
felt
that
it
would
create
a
different
ambiance
and
the
ability
for
people
to
actually
eat,
while
being
you
know,
at
the
market
in
the
square,
and
that
would
be
a
great
opportunity
to
to
really
highlight
what
the
market
has
to
offer.
C
One
thing
is
for
sure:
we
are
going
to
work
with
our
public
health
unit
and
make
sure
that
everything
is
in
compliance
with
public
health
regulation.
We
have
been
doing
that.
Actually,
we
were
doing
that
before
covet
and
we
were
hopeful
that
in
2020
we
would
be
able
to
introduce
this
and,
and
then
things
change
quite
rapidly.
C
The
other,
I
think
thing
that
came
out
through
our
consultation,
was
really
about
marketing
efforts,
so
providing
additional
support,
above
and
beyond
what
the
city
is
currently
investing
for
the
public
market
to
have
some
additional
support,
primarily
through
tourism
kingston.
So
tourism
kingston
does
a
lot
of
work
in
terms
of
showcasing
different
initiatives,
or
you
know
it
could
be
restaurants.
C
It
could
be
a
number
of
different
offerings
that
the
city
has
so
tourism
kingston
has
committed
to
actually
work
with
all
of
the
markets,
not
just
the
one
downtown,
but
all
of
them,
the
ones
that
will
be
operational
to
offer
some
promotion
through
their
website
and
their
marketing
efforts.
Next
slides,
please.
C
So
some
of
the
longer
term
changes
that
were
being
proposed
or
discussed
that
we
heard
actually
quite
a
lot
about.
One
of
them
was
the
need
to
have
a
more
focused
market
manager.
So,
as
you
know,
there
is
currently
a
a
market
clerk
that
helps
to
manage
the
market.
The
days
of
the
market
is
operating,
but
there
is,
there
were
definitely
conversations
about.
We
need
to
have
a
bit
of
a
different
approach
with
the
market
and
look
at
ways
to
better
organize
it.
C
So,
for
example,
the
memorial
center
farmers
market
actually
has
a
market
manager
type
position
that
helps
to
not
only
manage
the
the
operations
of
the
market
but
looks
at
marketing
and
all
of
those
types
of
things.
Now
they
do
keep
so
the
the
the
way
that
the
memorial
center
farmers
market
is
organized
is
that
the
vendors
or
the
producers
pay.
The
organization
and
the
organization
actually
keeps
those
dollars
and
then
is
able
to
hire
a
manager
and
pay
for
marketing
as
well.
C
There
were
a
number
of
comments
about
having
a
year-round
market,
and
I
know
that
has
come
up
before
in
the
past,
so
we
did
identify
this
as
something
that
we
would
need
to
look
into
as
far
as
options
are
concerned
in
the
next
year,
and
to
be
frank,
we
recognize
that
there
are
probably
going
to
be
limited
options,
because
in
order
to
have
an
indoor
market,
we
need
to
have
the
appropriate
facilities
and
also
you
know,
looking
at
parking
all
of
those
types
of
things
that
we
know
people
are
going
to
be
looking
for
for
this
type
of
of
service.
C
There's
no
question
that
we
think
somewhere
on
the
memorial
center
site
might
make
more
sense,
but
that's
something
we
need
to
look
further
into
just
because
we
want
to
make
sure
that
it
is
appropriate
before
it's
recommended.
C
Number
three
is
about
changing
the
way
that
the
kingston
public
market
operates.
So
I
mentioned
earlier
that
the
memorial
center
farmers
market
has
a
very
different
model
where
it's
actually
governed
by
the
producers
that
are
members
of
the
memorial
center
farmers
market.
They
pay
their
fee,
they
have
their
own
board,
they
have
their
own
bylaws
and
they
are
self-governing.
C
C
C
It
really
would
be
difficult
to
implement
it,
based
on
the
way
that
it
is
currently
structured.
So
part
of
our
recommendation
is
to
actually
dedicate
some
resources
to
the
vendors
association
over
the
2021
year
to
help
them
try
to
establish
what
a
self-governing
organization
could
look
like
and
the
type
of
bylaws
that
they
would
need
and
how
they
can
actually
get
set
up.
So
they
could
operate
essentially,
like
the
other
markets
that
we
have
within
the
city
and
be
independent
in
self-government.
C
The
city
would,
of
course,
continue
to
have
a
relationship
with
them
because
we
do
have
the
the
square
so
the
springer
market
square,
so
we
would
continue
to
have
a
relationship
with
them,
but
it
would
change
from
a
what
I
would
currently
call
more
of
an
enforcement
relationship
to
a
partnership
relationship
because
we
do
have
our
market
clerk.
Currently,
that
does
you
know
part
of
the
job.
C
C
And
that's
it
for
my
presentation
and
I'm
happy
to
try
to
answer
questions.
I
also
see
that
we,
I
have
a
number
of
my
colleagues
on
the
call.
So
if
I
don't
have
the
answer,
I
might
ask
for
some
support.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Through
you
just
two
questions.
One
of
them
is:
if,
if
this,
the
public
market
then
becomes
a
farmer's
market,
does
that
mean
that
there
could
still
be?
Oh,
I
can't
remember
what
we
call.
We
have
the
producers,
the
resellers
then
we
have
the
artisans
right.
Can
artisans
still
be
part
of
when
it's
a
farmers
market
it
is,
can
they.
C
So
through
you,
mr
chair,
I
I'm
I'm
gonna,
look
to
maybe
a
couple
of
my
colleagues
to
jump
in
here,
but
I
believe
the
key
here
is
to
make
sure
that
it's
locally
produced
and
and
I'm
assuming
they
could
have
some
flexibility
in
their
bylaws
as
well.
But
if
I
see
that
manager
griman
is
on
on
the
call
as
well,
I
believe
she
has
her
end
up,
so
she
might
want
to
add
to
that.
E
E
Certainly
they
they
want
to
see
when
you
do
designate
as
a
farmer's
market.
That
is
predominantly
food-based
and
it
is
producer-led
so
less
on
the
resaler,
with
with
some
ability
to
provide
some
artisan
or
craft
supplies,
but
the
primary
function
being
food
production
and
local
foods.
From
a
producer-led
standpoint,.
D
Okay,
I
see
so
we'll
just
wait
and
see,
then,
if
artisans
could
still
be
part
of
it
if
it
does
go
from
public
market
to
farmers
market,
because
I
know
that
some
people
really
like
you
know
to
go
to
those
stalls
to
see
the
soapstone
and
the
soaps
and
and
also
like
all
the
tie-dye.
You
know
like
those
booths
are
just
really
neat
and
it
always
reminds
me
of
art
fest
that
we
have
down
at
confederation
basin
for
just
that
short
period
of
time
during
the
july
first
weekend.
D
So
thanks
for
answering
that
question-
and
my
second
question
is
because
we
have
dropped,
I
don't
have
the
stats
in
front
but
like
say
from
50
vendors,
some
10
years
ago
down
to
33
vendors
for
the
vendors
that
we've
lost
on
when
we
bring
out
this
new
policy.
These
changes
on
will
those
vendors
that
we
used
to
have
be
notified
so
that
they
know,
because
maybe
these
changes
will
then
entice
them
to
come
back
to
the
public
market.
D
So
I
just
wondered
if
we
will
be
in
touch
with
all
those
farmers
that
are
not
currently,
you
know
the
50
down
to
33
that
we
had
in
2019.
D
C
Thank
you,
and,
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
so
a
couple
of
things
councillor
sanik,
maybe
just
to
add
to
the
answer
provided
earlier-
is
that
a
farmer's
market
can
be
designated,
but
it
could
also
be
a
farmers
market
without
necessarily
a
designation,
which
I
think
could
provide
some
more
flexibility
in
terms
of
the
artisan.
So
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is:
there's
some
flexibility
there
that
the
group
can
look
at
and
that's
what
we
would
want
to
work
with
the
vendors
association
over
the
year
2021..
C
In
terms
of
your
question,
we
would
definitely
work
with
our
partners
to
make
sure
notifications
are
going
out
to
any
vendors
that
are
currently
I'm
assuming.
Most
of
them
are
active
somewhere
else
and
I'm
my
understanding
is.
A
number
of
them
are
actually
active
at
the
memorial
center
farmers
market
because
of
the
flexibility
that,
in
part,
because
of
the
flexibility
due
to
the
one
day
attendance
per
per
week.
So
I
think
it's
not.
I
mean
we
wouldn't
want
to
necessarily
steal
from
another
market
and
take
away
from
another
market.
C
I
think
what
we
would
want
to
do
is
try
to
encourage.
Maybe
new
vendors
to
come
and
work
with
our
partners
to
do
that,
if
that's
possible
and
hoping
that
the
reduction
in
fee
and
the
flexibility
with
the
time
and
the
food
sampling
and
number
of
those
things
hoping
that
it's
going
to
make
it
a
little
bit
more
attractive
for
some
of
our
local
vendors
to
to
attend.
C
D
See
thank
you,
so
we
will
do
some
marketing
then
to
try
to
bring
out
new
ones.
So,
okay,
that's
great
and
mr
chair
can
I
just
say
remember
how
you
just
said,
mr
chair,
that
you
can't
see
all
of
us
when
I
did
my
zoom
meeting
last
night.
D
I
realized
like,
if
you
go
to
view
on
the
top
right
hand,
corner
there's
the
gallery
view
in
the
speaker
view-
and
it
looks
like
all
of
our
settings
have
defaulted
to
on
speaker
view,
but
if
you
change
it
to
gallery
view,
you
should
be
able
to
see
all
of
us
it'll
be
easier
for
the
hands
up
anyway.
I
just
wanted
to
give
that
tip,
because
I
noticed
last
night
it
defaulted
to
speaker
view
automatically.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
that
actually
works
more
or
less.
Perhaps
the
clerk
could
ask
counselor
holland
to
turn
on
her
video
since
she's
a
member
of
the
committee.
F
A
Fair
enough
thanks,
we
didn't
hear
that
before
so,
okay,
good.
So
any
other
questions
from
the
committee
council
rooster.
B
Yep
hello,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
it's
really
good
to
be
attending.
This
is
my
first
meeting,
so
I'm
glad
to
sort
of
be
part
of
the
conversation
and
have
my
first
look
into
this
committee.
So
it's
it
is
something
that
really
is
great.
I
I
want
to
commend
the
presentation
because
it
it
just
resonates
as
something
that
we
really
wanted
to
hear
about
the
flexibility
and
what
we're
seeing
some
of
the
efforts
to
align
a
little
bit,
and
I
I
I
feel
really
good
about
that.
B
So
I
wanted
to
commend
the
decision
makers
on
that.
I
think
that's
a
real
reflection
of
where
we
want
to
go
and
counselor
sanik's
questions
were
what's
on
my
mind
too,
so
I
really
appreciated
them
and
the
answers
and
those
considerations.
I
think
that
bones
bodes
well
for
us
and
as
we
seek
to
enhance
the
market
presentation
and-
and
you
know,
through
tourism
as
well,
but
through
food
food
chain,
food
security,
and
that
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
and
I
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
other
questions.
B
But
it
it
literally
looked
good
to
me-
and
I
thank
you
guys
for
that.
A
G
Thank
you.
I
was
happy
to
see
that
we're
lowering
the
cost
of
doing
business
as
motion
was
helpful.
In
doing
that,
that'll
be
very
helpful.
I
noticed
when
you
were
talking
about
them.
Moving
towards
self-governance.
Will
there
be
any
support
in
the
sense
of
education
or
oversight,
to
make
sure
that
they
have
all
the
things
they
need,
for
example,
insurance
and
understanding
of
what
governance
is
and
how
it's
different
from
operations.
C
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
so
thank
you,
council
mclaren,
absolutely,
which
is
why
we
structured
the
recommendation
the
way
that
it
is
to
allocate
resources.
So
you
will
seek
some
some
external
support
as
well
to
make
sure
that,
from
a
as
they
try
to
establish
a
not-for-profit
corporation,
that
they
have
everything
that
they
need,
and
they
also
understand
what's
required
before
they
make
a
final
decision
as
to
how
they
would
like
to
proceed.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
they're,
well
informed
and
educated
before
that
process
actually
even
starts.
A
A
Okay,
so
I
think
why
I
keep
getting
his
job
is,
I
think,
to
force
things
through.
So
I
have
a
number
of
questions.
A
This
is
my
district
of
course,
and-
and
I
have
a
history
with
this
issue-
and
it's
nicely
sanitized
in
the
report-
which
I
thought
was
a
really
good
report-
don't
read
too
much
into
that,
but
this
the
farmers
market,
it
can
be
a
quagmire
so,
and
this
is
not
the
first
time
we
tried
to
do
something
and
I
sometimes
thought
that
staff
was
throwing
the
kitchen
sink
and
everything
else
in
here,
but
actually
I
think
it's
a
really
good
report
and
there's
a
lot
of
good
things
in
it.
A
C
So,
thank
you
I
and
to
respond
to
your
question.
Counselor
atchison,
my
understanding
is
the
west
market
and
again
it
wasn't
operating
in
2020,
but
when
it
was
in
2019
was
that
it
was
essentially
set
up
similar
to
the
memorial
center
farmers
market,
where
they
had
an
organization
and
each
producer
was
paying
a
fee
into
the
organization.
C
The
organization
did
have
a
staff
member
which
I
again,
I'm
not
sure
how
active
they
currently
are,
but
essentially
that's
how
it
was
structured.
So
it
was
really
self-governed
like
the
memorial
center
for
a
nurse
market.
A
Okay,
I'm
just
gonna
make
notes
as
we
go
along
here,
the
I'll
make
it
quick.
So
I
can
the
just
in
reference
to
my
previous
remarks
that
just
as
an
introduction,
the.
A
I
think
some
of
the
answers
are
in
the
actual
bylaw
to
this,
but
history
tells
me
to
be
careful
about
the
when
we're
talking
about
attendance,
flexibility
and
changing
the
nature
of
the
structure
of
the
organization.
A
Is
it
felt
by
staff
that
the
manager
can
handle
the
questions
of
predictability
and
space
sharing
between
you
know
the
casual
and
the
more
full-time
or
the
three-day
vendors
preventing
questions
like
these
are
all
original.
In
the
past
space,
vlogging
and
other
aspects,
it
does
give
the
manager.
The
final
say
I
noticed,
which
may
be
fine,
but.
H
C
So,
thank
you.
Councillor
rochester,
and
I
know
that
manager
grimmin
also
has
her
end
up
and
she
might
want
to
add
to
that.
The
current
process
is
one
where
the
the
market
clerk
does
make
the
final
decision
if
there
are
vendors
that
are
not,
for
example,
attending
the
market.
So
if
there
is
going
to
be
movement
on
the
market,
so
let's
say
a
producer
doesn't
attend
one
day,
so
there's
an
empty
spot.
C
Currently
the
market
clerk
will
make
a
decision
in
terms
of
who
can
move
into
that
space
that
same
morning,
so
we're
not
proposing
any
change
there.
That
process
remains
the
same.
C
I
think
what
we've
tried
to
do
is
clarify
some
of
the
language,
because
we
had
so
many
different
sections
as
it
relates
to
operating
hours
setting
up
hours,
and
it
was
a
little
bit
all
over
the
place
in
the
bylaw,
and
we've
tried
to
pull
that
together
and
try
to
make
it
a
little
bit
clearer
because
it
was
a
little
bit
all
over
the
place,
but
we're
not
technically
proposing
changes
with
that
particular
process.
I
don't
know
if
manager
grumman
want
to
add
to
that.
E
Yeah
thanks
through
the
chair.
Yes,
the
the
market
manager.
What
we've
done
through
the
the
updates
to
the
bylaw
is,
you
know,
like
ceo
hertel,
said,
really
streamline
that
wording
in
the
bylaw,
streamline
that
that
time
frame
for
notification,
for
when
vendors
do
attend
or
decide
not
to
attend
the
morning
of
the
market
so
that
we
can
quickly.
E
You
know,
implement
changes
and
move
vendors
into
position
to
to
make
that
market
experience
as
as
good
as
possible
on
on
each
individual
given
day
in
terms
of
the
the
impact
to
overall
seniority
that
you
know
that,
really,
you
know,
as
ceo
hurdle
said,
was-
was
driven
by
stakeholder
feedback
feedback
from
the
vendors
that
that
they
did
want
that
additional
flexibility,
and
we
don't
see
that
you
know
significantly
impacting
their
their
current
seniority
or
or
attendance
records
moving
forward
so
certainly
see
it
as
as
a
positive
and
and
really
just
more
of
a
cleaning
up
of
the
of
the
bylaw
wording.
A
Okay
thanks,
you
anticipated
my
next
question,
so
I
take
it.
The
general
answer
is,
we
think
we
can
handle
this
and
and
all
those
things
that
come
up
so,
okay,
that's
good
to
know.
I
take
it
from
the
that
the
total
cost
of
the
city.
This
is
pretty
minimal.
Ten
to
twelve
thousand
dollars,
there's
nothing!
I
missed
there.
C
A
A
A
And
I
think
there
are
some
good
changes
here.
I
don't
know
what
that
means,
unless
you're
going
to
say
that
people
have
to
have
the
same
type
of
tent
or
stall
or-
and
I
don't
see
that
going
well.
So
what
is
meant
by
that?
It's
it's
on
page,
I
think
17
of
105
pages.
E
Certainly
through
you,
mr
chair,
the
the
intention
of
that
wording
is
is
really
just
to.
You
know,
provide
some
consistency
to
the
to
the
look
and
feel
of
the
market.
Certainly
you
know
we're
not
asking
or
requiring
all
the
vendors
to
have.
You
know
the
exact
same
stall,
covering
or
or
table
or
different
things
like
that.
There's
certainly
still
the
opportunity
for
them
to
be
able
to
personalize
that
with
their
own
business,
signage
with
you
know,
logo,
tents
and
things
like
that.
E
What
what
we
want
to
make
sure
is
that
you
know
the
the
look
and
feel
of
the
market
is
is,
as
as
you
know,
well,
positioned
for
the
the
city
and
the
the
market
as
possible,
and
certainly
from
a
safety
perspective.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
that
those
structures
that
that
might
be
over
some
of
the
the
market
vendors
are
safe
as
well.
E
So
we
did
see
some
great
success
and
and
feedback
with
the
the
holiday
market
that
the
city
ran
back
in
december,
where
we
did
kind
of
pull
together
a
consistent
look
and
feel
for
that
you
know,
did
receive
great
feedback
and
a
lot
of
the
market.
Vendors
from
the
public
market
did
attend.
E
That,
and
also
you
know,
did
provide
their
feedback
that
that
they
felt
that
that
added
to
the
to
the
aesthetic
of
the
markers
as
well,
so
just
something
that
we
are
trying
to
support
moving
forward,
but
certainly
still
flexibility
for
them
to
provide
their
own
branding
and
and
look
and
feel
to
their
space.
E
A
I'll
just
put
myself
down
and
haven't
mentioned
this,
so
I
think
that
was
fine
actually,
but
now
on
the
additional
food
programming
in
the
kingston
public
market.
It
talks
about
how
holiday
markets
and
night
markets
and
those
are
fine
ideas.
A
C
So
so,
thank
you,
counselor
electrician,
for
that
question.
So
there
are
a
number
of
reasons
why
they
would
be
separate.
First
of
all,
the
vendors
may
not
be
the
same.
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear
when
we're
looking
at
holiday,
market
or
night
market,
we
may
not
have
the
same
vendors
that
are
interested
in
attending
or
being
part
of
that,
so
we're
dealing
with
completely
different
vendors,
potentially
to
start
with.
C
C
So
the
the
bylaw
that
is
in
front
of
you
is
essentially
because
we
have
a
vendors
association
that
does
not
have
its
own
bylaws.
So,
to
give
you
an
example,
you
know
how
we
have
the
antique
market
on
sundays.
The
antique
market
does
not
fall
under
this
bylaw
because
it's
not
part
of
the
vendors
association.
C
If
the
vendors
association
had
its
own
bylaws
and
was
self-governing,
we
would
not
need
the
bylaw
that's
in
front
of
you.
We
would
have
a
different
type
of
partnership
agreement
with
with
the
association,
so
this
bylaw
is
really
about
the
governance
of
the
vendors
association.
A
Right:
okay,
okay,
I
can
see
that
logic.
That's
fine!.
A
I
guess
some
of
these
questions
are
out
there
just
to
be
looked
at,
but
the
one
that
hit
me
most
was
that
if
you
think
you're
gonna,
if
we're
going
to
have
a
full-time
marketing
or
market
manager,
that
would
we
have
to
figure
out
a
way
to
pay
that
person
we've
got
a
part-time
one.
Now
I
I
don't
actually
know
what
else
they
do,
but
I'm
sure
it's
plenty.
H
C
Thank
you
councillors,
and
so
there
are
a
couple
of
options
that
can
be
explored,
so
if
it
was
to
be
done
through
the
city.
So
if
this
was
a
city
employee,
we
could
look
at
increasing
the
number
of
hours
of
our
part-time
positions
that
we
currently
have.
We
do
have
partners
that
we
have
reached
out
to
such
as
dbia
et
cetera
that
do
have
obviously
an
interest
in
the
market
and
seeing
a
successful
market
that
could
potentially
contribute
to
this.
C
That's
of
course,
if
it's
done
through
the
city,
if
the
market
becomes
an
independent
self-governed
organization,
then
they
have
the
ability
to
also
hire
their
own
manager.
The
same
way
that
the
memorial
center
farmers
market
has
been
quite
successful
to
do
and
has
grown
substantially
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
so
it
would
have
to
the
ability
to
do
that
and
from
a
city
perspective
we
could
be
a
partner
in
that
with
with
other
stakeholders
in
the
community.
C
A
Did
we
give
any
thought
about
the
resellers
and
how
to
deal
with
them
in
terms
of
just
grandfathering,
the
ones
that
are
already
there?
I
noticed
they're
down
to
about
two
or
three,
depending
how
much
you
rely
on
the
2020
stats.
C
So,
thank
you
for
this
question.
Yes,
we
have,
there
are
you're
correct
that
there
aren't
a
large
number
of
of
resellers
currently
at
at
the
public
market,
so
we
have
essentially
taken
them
into
consideration
in
such
a
way
that
we
have
not
changed
anything
that
would
substantially
impact
them.
So
we
have
not
changed
anything
that
you
know
in
terms
of
their
attendance.
C
The
attendance
change
is
is
only
applicable
to
the
producers,
so
the
resellers
are
still
required
to
to
meet
that
attendance
of
over
the
three
day
period
and
and
the
fees
are
remaining
the
same
so
there
there
is
not
necessarily
a
lot
of
change
at
this
point
for
the
resellers
that
are
there,
I
think,
before
any
significant
changes
are
are
contemplated.
C
How
do
we
ensure
that
there
are
activities
in
the
market
during
those
three
days?
So
that
may
be
a
scheduling
issue.
It
could
be
that
resellers
change
their
format
to
only
resell
local.
So
that's
that's
something
we
actually
heard
from
one
of
the
producers
that
they
like
to
have
the
ability
to
actually
hire
their
local
producer,
but
they
don't
have
the
time.
Nor
do
they
want
to
be
on
the
square
for
full
days,
so
they
actually
pay
a
reseller
to
sell
their
produce
but
their
local
produce.
C
So
there
are
different
ways
that
this
can
be
looked
at
in
the
future,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
proper
time
given
to
that
with
the
vendors
association
and
knowing
that
the
season
was
going
to
start
soon
with
essentially
licenses
being
issued
at
the
end
of
march.
We
didn't
feel
that
there
was
enough
time
for
this
particular
season
to
look
at
any
significant
changes.
A
Oh
good,
well,
I
didn't
know
about
the
hiring
of
the
resellers.
So
that's
interesting
the
and
you
answered
a
preview,
another
question
of
mine
with
regard
to
the
structure
you
saw
if
it
became
self-sustaining,
vendor
association
at
the
public
market
and
so
I'll
just
leave
that.
So
those
are
my
questions.
A
Any
other
questions
from
the
council
from
the
committee
see
none
any
I'll
go
to
the
clerk
here
for
a
second
any
questions
from
the
public.
I
There's
no
members
of
the
public,
but
I
we
will
get
counselor
holland
just
to
to
declare
her
pecuniary
interest
and
the
nature
of
it.
Before
we
proceed
to
the
next
briefing.
F
Thank
you
sorry
for
being
late
getting
here
and
I
didn't
get
to
read
it
off
at
the
outset
and.
F
I'm
marita
holland
of
the
council
of
the
corporation,
the
city
of
kingston,
declare
my
computing
interest
in
the
matter
of
clause,
1
report,
local
food
strategy
and
amendments,
the
kingston
public
market
bylaw,
as
I
am
a
prospective
vendor
at
the
memorial
center
farmers
market.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
okay.
So
there's
no
public
comments.
We're
back
to
the
committee
and
I
suppose,
is
where
I
read
the
motion.
A
A
A
The
council
directs
staff
to
assign
required
resources
to
support
the
kingston
public
farm
market
vendors
association
to
develop
a
self-governing
not-for-profit
corporation
with
the
intent
to
establish
a
different
operating
model
in
2022
and
the
council.
That
council
endorsed
waiving
fees
for
the
kingston
memorial
center
farmers
market,
as
well
as
the
west
kingston
market.
A
Should
it
be
operating
on
city
owned
property
in
2021,
and
the
council
endorsed
an
option
for
a
50
reduction
in
fees
for
producers
of
the
kingston
public
market,
as
described
in
report
rp
21007,
and
that
by
law
be
presented
to
council
for
all
three
readings
to
amend
bylaw
number
2005-10
by
law.
Just
savage
fees
and
charges
to
be
collected
by
the
corporation
city.
I
So
sorry,
mr
chair,
we
will
just
require
consent
of
the
committee
to
go
to
the
next
business
item
before.
A
I
I'll
just
get
miss
change
to
to
jump
in
here.
She
has
her
hand
out.
J
Good
evening,
mr
chair,
I
I
believe
what
what
julia
was
indicating
is
that
we
do
have
two
briefings
tonight.
Usually
we
listen
to
both.
J
A
Well,
okay,
that'll
be
fast
or
anything
so
not
regular,
but
faster.
The.
A
A
So
now
we're
on
to
the
next
item-
and
that
is
the
next
briefing,
which
is
by
danica
lockhead.
Regarding
arts
and
public
places.
Working
group
updated,
expand
terms
of
reference
report
there.
She
is
right
there:
okay,
okay,.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair
and
good
evening
to
the
committee,
it's
great
to
be
here
to
share
with
you
the
proposed,
updated
and
expanded
terms
of
reference
of
the
art
and
public
places
working
group
in
support
of
the
city's
public
art
program.
Next
slide.
Please.
K
The
public
art
program
supports
the
creation
of
contemporary
public
art
by
emerging
and
established
artists
through
commissions
and
artist
collaborations
produces
art
for
public
spaces
throughout
the
city,
contributing
to
developing
a
vibrant
public
realm
in
kingston
and
enhances
our
sense
of
community
across
the
city
in
the
downtown,
suburban
rural
and
natural
areas.
Next
slide,
please.
K
The
public
art
policy
outlines
roles
and
responsibilities
of
four
core
groups,
one
of
them
being
the
art
and
public
places,
working
group,
and
so
I've
just
provided
a
bit
of
a
snapshot
of
these
groups
here
as
a
refresher
and
the
four
groups
include
the
cultural
services
department.
So
we
there.
This
group
is
responsible
for
the
management
of
the
public
art
program
that
includes
program
management,
coordination
and
management
of
the
public
art
collection
itself.
K
This
group
is
responsible
for
reviewing
processes,
policies,
plans
and
projects
related
to
the
public
art
program
and
then
finally,
the
fourth
or
the
fourth
group
outlining
the
policy
is
the
mayor,
council
and
committees
of
council
and
the
policy
outlines
them
as
an
arm's
length
of
any
acquisition
processes
but
responsible
for
reviewing
and
approving
the
city
of
kingston's,
public
art,
master
plan
and
policy,
approving
municipal
capital
plan
allocations
and
public
art
plans
and,
where
applicable,
approving
negotiated
agreements
with
private
developers
that
may
contain
sections
related
to
the
provision
of
public
art.
K
So
these
four
groups
work
together
to
implement
the
city
of
kingston
public
art
program.
Next
slide,
please
the
art
and
public
places
working
group.
Current
terms
of
reference
are
embedded
within
the
public
art
policy,
and
this
is
this
is
the
current
description
and
we've
talked
about
the
first
two
points,
but
currently
the
terms
of
reference
also
include
the
additional
responsibility
of
the
working
group
to
include
reviewing
donation
requests
and
making
recommendations
to
staff
and
reviewing
nominating
and
approving
members
of
art
selection.
Juries
next
slide.
Please.
K
Given
the
evolution
of
the
public
art
program
as
it
continues
to
grow,
we
are
proposing
updates
and
amendments
to
the
terms
of
reference
for
this
working
group.
The
current
terms
of
reference
are
still
included
in
what
we're
proposing
for
the
new
terms
of
reference,
but
we've
expanded
it
to
better
reflect
where
the
program
is
is
heading
in
this
moment,
and
so
in
on
this
slide
here.
K
The
bolded
points
are
the
new
additions
to
the
terms
of
reference
for
this
working
group,
which
include
acting
as
a
resource
to
staff,
city
department
and
agencies,
the
arts
community
partners,
including
developers
and
citizens,
advising
on
the
development
and
implementation
of
maintenance
for
the
public
art
collection
and
for
accessioning
and
de-accessioning
of
works
associated
with
the
public
art
policy
and
the
civic
collections
policy,
in
accordance
with
the
heritage,
assets,
working
group,
providing
expertise,
fair
advice
and
guidance
to
staff
on
matters
involving
public
art,
raising
awareness
and
understanding
of
the
importance
of
public
art
in
the
city,
which
is
an
ongoing
part
of
our
our
work
as
staff.
K
So
a
couple
points
I
just
want
to
make
on
this
piece.
So
the
majority
since
the
working
group
was
established,
the
majority
of
the
membership
has
been
artists
and
arts
professionals
so
that
that
will
continue
in
this
moment,
but
the
two
pieces,
the
the
additions
really
in
terms
of
an
urban
designer
developer,
a
member
of
the
business
reflect
where
we,
where
the
program
is
going
as
well
as
how
our
public
art
master
plan,
is
written.
K
This
is
a
snapshot
of
the
working
group
support
that
were
expected
as
expected
in
2021.
It
includes
initiatives
like
reviewing
artists,
qualifications
and
proposals
for
direct
commissions,
continuing
to
recruit
and
support
staff
in
the
selection
of
juries,
for
public
art
projects
review
and
advise
on
maintenance
manual
strategy
for
civic
collection,
public
artworks.
K
K
So
next
steps
for
us
pending
approval
of
these
updated
and
expanded
terms
of
reference.
We
will
work
with
the
arts
advisory
committee
to
appoint
members
to
the
working
group
for
2021.
K
That
will
then
be
submitted
to
council
for
review
and
approval
a
final
slices,
and
so
just
to
close,
I
wanted
to
share
just
a
very
a
snapshot
of
some
of
the
projects
of
the
working
group
since
it
was
first
established
and
and
what
it
will
look
like
in
the
future,
some
of
the
projects
that
they
they've
supported
over
the
years,
and
so
this
is
an
inclusion
of
projects
that
have
come
and
gone
projects
that
are
currently
taking
place
and
projects
that
are
to
come.
I
just
wanted
to
share
that.
A
Thank
you
very
much
any
questions
from
the
committee
regarding
that
presentation.
That
briefing
I
don't
see
any
I
I
have
one
question
it
was
unclear
to
me.
It
seemed
to
me
the
arts
advisory
committee
will
appoint
the
members
of
the
subcommittee.
Is
that
correct.
A
K
Thanks,
mr
chair,
yes,
I
mean
we
will
work
with
the
arts
committee
to
promote
this
opportunity
to
the
public
and
the
arts
advisory
committee
will
be
tasked
with
bringing
forward
names
for
consideration.
For,
for
this
working
group.
A
Okay,
so
now
just
to
be
clear,
it's
said
in
the
report
that
the
the
role
of
counsel
is
arm's
length,
no
problem
with
that.
So
if
this
group
were
to
decide-
and
I
guess
with
cultural
services,
just
looking
for
the
weighting
of
the
authority
in
this
on
a
public
art
piece
related
to
the
standing
building
or
development.
K
K
So
council,
specifically,
is
arm's
length
from
the
acquisition
process
and
so
council
is,
is
responsible
for
approving
the
overarching
strategies
that
guide
the
implementation
of
the
public
art
master
plan.
So
this
is
what
happened
in
2014.
A
master
plan
was
brought
to
council
for
approval.
It
laid
out
the
framework,
the
focus
areas
and
the
goals
of
the
public
art
master
plan
that
council
approved
city
staff
then
went
away.
K
Cultural
services
department
went
away,
developed
plans
and
work
plans
in
consultation
with
other
members
of
the
public
art
group,
so
again
made
up
of
colleagues
of
ours
across
various
departments
in
the
city
of
kingston
and
in
certain
situations,
particularly
at
the
beginning
of
the
program.
We
did
bring
to
council
plans
for
public
art
capital
projects
that
were
approved
by
council.
K
So
it's
an
approval
of
a
plan
that
is
proposed
for
for
public
art
that
council
is
responsible
for,
but
it
is
the
role
of
cultural
services
staff
in
consultation
with
the
public,
the
art
and
public
places,
working
group,
the
department
of
working
group
and
other
stakeholders,
stakeholders
in
the
community
to
develop
the
plans
specific
for
these.
For
these
projects.
A
Fair
enough,
thank
you.
That's
okay!
So
any
other
questions
from
the
committee,
not
seeing
any
oh
there's,
mr
whittington.
He
wants
to
say
something
he
was
there
and
then
go
ahead.
You
your
picture,
changed
positions.
L
Thank
you,
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
I
just
I
just
I
just
want
to
clarify
and
build
on
what
ms
lockheed
was
saying
that
also
to
clarify
that
the
arnold
public
places
working
group
helps
staff
and
the
arts
advisory
committee
to
assemble
juries
specific
to
projects.
L
So
that's
where
the
the
process
really
resides
in
terms
of
decision
making
through
those
juries
that
are
individually
established
to
support
different
projects,
they're
the
ones
through
public
consultation
and
other
mechanisms
that
gather
information
from
the
community
projects
are
revised
and
and
finalized.
L
A
A
So
I
guess
following
our
procedure
tonight,
we
oh,
I
have
to
ask
if
there's
any
comment
from
the
public,
if
there
is
public.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
trying
to
do
your
best
in
the
face
of
a
certain
amount
of
incompetence
by
those
things.
So,
okay,
so
I'm
going
to
now
read
the
motion
and
then
and
then
someone
can
hopefully
move
it
and
second
it.
So
I
have
to
trail
down
here
this
one's
particularly.
A
The
council
to
amend,
bylaw,
2010
2000
205
excuse
me
and
bylaw
to
define
that
the
mandate
meeting
procedures
for
committees
established
by
the
corporation
city
of
kingston,
as
amended
as
per
exhibit
b
attached
to
report
number
r,
p
21
005
to
formalize
the
terms
of
reference
for
the
art
and
public
places.
Working
group
in
the
working
group
section
of
the
arts
advisory
committee
mandate
and
that
the
bylaw
be
presented
to
council
of
amend,
bylaw
2010
205..
A
The
bylaw
defined
the
mandate
meeting
procedures
for
committees
established
by
the
corporation
of
the
city
of
kingston,
as
amended
as
per
exhibit
c
attached
to
report
number
rp21005.
To
remove
the
terms
of
reference
for
the
professional
development
working
group
in
the
working
groups.
Section
of
the
advisory
committee
mandate.
A
And
I
think
there's
a
bit
more
here:
no,
that's
it!
So
that's
the
motion.
The
last
bit
references
to
the
freshman
development
working
group.
They
completed
what
they
were
to
do,
and
so
that's
why
they're
being
removed
so
do
I
have
a
mover
and
a
second
counselor
holland
and
councillors
ruffled.
Second,
thank
you
very
much.
A
So
it's
on
the
floor.
Does
anyone
have
any
comments.
A
Say
a
couple
of
things,
one,
it
was
actually
a
really
well
reported.
It
was
just
very
technical
and
procedural
and.
A
I
thought
I
made
my
way
through
it,
but
apparently
I
didn't
get
a
grasp,
absolutely
everything
I
needed
to
so,
but
I
don't
think
I'm
probably
alone
there
not
talking
about
the
committee,
but
the
casual
viewer,
of
course
the.
So
we
have
a
mover
and
a
seconder.
A
We
don't
have
any
other
comments
if
you
do
now's
the
time
so
not
seeing
that
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion
and
that
passes
counselor
bomb
is
apparently
against
it.
No
he's
not
against
it.
That's
a
double
negative,
we'll
take
him
as
positive,
okay,
so
the
okay,
so
that
was
great.
I'm
sure
a
ton
of
work
went
into
that
to
get
a
very
small
hearing.
Okay,
so
now
we're
on
to
a
biological,
regulate
the
setting
maintaining
of
open
air
fires.
A
A
M
Hey
good
evening,
good
evening,
chair
and
committee
members,
I'm
joined
tonight
with
fire
prevention
officer,
wavsky
and
deputy
fire
chief
kevin
donaldson
to
present
the
bylaw.
I
just
wanted
to
give
some
opening
comments.
M
The
report
followed
a
12-week
public
engagement
process
and
also
quite
an
involved
process
involving
our
first
nations
people
thanks
to
colin
wadington
and
his
staff.
So
we
really
appreciated
the
help
with
that
we
solicited
feedback
from
both
our
rural
and
our
urban
residents,
and
we
feel
that
this
bylaw
will
add
clarity
to
the
community
and
help
people
have
safe
and
and
enjoyable
open-air
fires.
That's
it,
mr
chair,
thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
are
we
going
to
hear?
Is
anyone
else
going
to
contribute
to
this
briefing
or
you.
M
Just
think
we
would
hopefully
yeah
I'm
happy
to
take
questions.
We
certainly
hope
the
report
speaks
for
itself
and
that
we've
covered
everything
in
the
with
respect
to
open
air
players.
B
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
just
you
want
to
thank
the
chiefs,
the
fire
chiefs
and
the
team.
Putting
this
together.
I
know
in
the
rural
experience,
was
very
positive,
as
I
really
felt
there
was
a
really
effective
engagement
and
from
both
sides,
and
so
I
think
that
we've
learned
a
little
bit
from
each
other,
but
also
that
we
recognize
the
two
zones
and
I
think
that
that
was
really
refreshing
as
a
rural
counselor,
that
it
is
okay
to
see
the
the
you
know.
B
The
north,
the
rural
and
urban
have
just
slightly
different
perspectives
at
different
times
and
and
and
that's
that's
to
be
expected
and
okay.
So
I
I
wanted
to
commend
that
and
the
process
that
I
was
part
of
and
I've
seen
it
in
different
committees.
So
I
am,
I
just
want
to
commend
them,
and
I
know
this
will
pass
and
it
should
be
commended
as
a
well
done
project.
Thank.
F
You,
mr
chair,
yes,
my
thanks
to
armstrong,
who
I've
been
in
contact
with
quite
a
lot
over
the
years
on
you
and
others
who
worked
hard
on
the
bylaw,
the
I
have
a
question
about
the
nonce,
the
definition
of
nuance.
Sorry,
nuance
nuisance,
the
so
just
going
through
some
of
the
terms.
What
would
be
considered
a
nuisance
is
something
that
could
create
like,
amongst
other
things,
the
definition
could
create
a
dangerous
condition.
F
Dangerous
condition
is
defined
in
your
in
terms
of
fire
safety,
so
whether
that
would
have
the
potential
to
cause
a
fire,
a
large,
dangerous
fire,
which
I
completely
understand,
I'm
wondering
some
people
when
they
reach
out
on
this
issue.
They
talk
about
the
this
nature
of
the
smoke
that
it's
suffocating,
that
it's
potentially
that's,
harming
existing
health
conditions
or
potentially
causing
future
health
conditions,
and
I
was
just
wondering-
is
there
in
cases
like
that?
I
mean,
if
folks
have
that
those
concerns
do
they
are
they?
F
Are
they
going
to
be
advised
on
where
to
take
those?
Or
is
it
simply?
I
guess
if,
if
the,
if
they're
reporting
it,
then
the
idea
would
be
that
they
wouldn't
that
the
fire
would
be
we'd
have
to
make
sure
that
fire
never
happened
again,
but
is.
Are
there
further
sort
of
recommendations
for
people
if
they're
talking
about
air
pollution,
etc?
Based
on
fires
that
occur.
M
Through
you,
mr
chair,
absolutely,
and
we
intend
to
do
a
during
the
first
year
implementation
if
this
has
passed,
we'll,
do
a
comprehensive
community
engagement
process
around
education
and
awareness
and
absolutely
counselor
holland.
M
The
nuisance
aspect
will
still
be
and
will
still
be
in
play
if
somebody
is
having
a
fire
and
it's
it's
not
considerate
of
the
neighbor's
experience
and
is
causing
distress
and
nuisance,
we
will
always
have
staff
attend
and
assess
that
explain
the
the
application
of
the
bylaw
and
what
we're
looking
to
achieve
through
through
engagement
and
awareness,
rather
than
enforcement
of
a
compliance
to
a
bylaw.
M
So
we
we
anticipate
that
once
people
understand
the
requirements,
we
feel
that
we've
added
acceptable
setbacks
within
the
schedules,
so
that
people
really
understand
that
this
isn't
just
about
having
the
open
fire.
It's
all
about
the
impact
it
has
to
the
adjacent
properties
around
you.
A
Thank
you
now,
counselor
sonic.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
very
much
chief
armstrong.
I
think
like
right
from
like
one
of
my
first
few
months
on
the
job
like
in
20
2007,
I
got
a
complaint
or,
and
then
I
went
to
the
city
and
they
said
no,
you
give
that
to
the
fire
department
and
then,
over
all
these
years.
I've
never
understood.
D
You
know
like
the
open
air
fire
concept
and
like
I
feel
so,
terrible
not
being
able
to
help
somebody.
I
just
go.
I'm
sorry,
but
you're
gonna
have
to
call
the
fire
department,
because
I
don't
really
understand
it
myself.
So
it's
great
that
we
have
a
bylaw,
because
I
always
felt
so
bad,
just
referring
people
to
the
fire
department
without
being
able
to
give
them
a
definitive
answer.
So
this
I
don't.
It
gives
us
a
lot
of
clarity
as
well.
D
Now
we
know
what
the
rules
are
and-
and
so
I
was
happy
to
see
that
someone
cannot
burn
furniture,
because
those
are
some
complaints
that
I
get
is
you
know
they're
just
especially
last
summer.
D
They
are
just
like
having
this
fire
in
their
backyard
and
I
see
them
putting
a
dresser
in
there
and
and
then
I
also
was
gonna,
have
the
question
that
counselor
holland
asked
about
smoke,
so
I've
gotten
questions
about
smoke
before
that
this
person's
having
it
so
really,
if
it's
a
a
good
fire
like
I
don't,
have
an
open
air,
I
don't
have
a
fire
pit
or
anything,
but
if
it's
a
good
fire,
it's
not
supposed
to
produce
smoke
that
goes
to
the
neighbors
is.
Is
that
what
like,
a
good
high
quality
like
you're?
M
Absolutely
we've
through
you,
mr
chair
yeah,
if
you're
burning,
the
right
materials
and
you're
doing
it
appropriately
and
through
our
appraisal
of
the
tenants
within
the
bylaw,
we
really
found
that
this
seems
to
be
the
best
practice
across
the
province.
M
M
We
learned
a
lot
through
our
consultation
with
cultural
services,
director
wiggington
and
in
terms
of
our
first
nations
people
and
how
we
approach
sacred
and
in
ceremonial
fires.
So
that
was
very
important.
So
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
connected
with
all
of
the
community
people
that
would
have
interest
and
were
stakeholders
in
this
process.
M
We
do
have
a
lot
a
lot
more
work
to
do
with
our
our
first
nations
people
to
to
share
our
learnings
and
create
a
create
a
an
environment
where,
when
there's
a
sacred
or
ceremonial
fire
of
any
religious
denomination
or
any
culture
that
we're
approaching
it
in
a
way,
that's
considerate
and
thoughtful.
D
Thank
you.
I
think
that
through
you,
mr
chair,
I
think
the
complaints
I
was
getting
about
smoke
had
nothing
to
do
with
like
any
type
of
religious
or
indigenous
ceremony.
They
were
just
burning
bad
things.
I
know
that
one
complaint
last
summer
was
that
they
were
having
an
open-air
fire
and
burning
bad
things,
but
then
they
were
trying
to
say.
D
Oh,
like
look,
we
have
a
we
put
a
grill
on
top
and
we're
we're
doing
weiners,
and
so
where
we
have
the
exemptions,
and
one
of
them
is
like
barbecues
and
charcoal
appliances
and
smokers.
D
If
someone
just
plops
like
a
grill
on
top
of
their
fire
pit,
to
put
some
wieners
on
and
it's
causing
smoke,
would
that
be
that
wouldn't
be
exempt
anymore
right
like
with
with
that
person,
the
neighbor
be
allowed
to
complain,
because
it's
not
properly
done.
D
Okay
super
thank
you
for
clarifying
that
and
then,
if
smoke
or
whatever,
someone
is
still
burning
furniture
on
the
complaint
mechanism,
then
so
it's
10
o'clock
at
night,
the
next-door
neighbors
doing
this,
who
do
they
phone
and
when
the
complaint
is
looked
at?
Is
it
our
bylaw
officers
coming
out
or
is
it
the
fire
department,
like
someone
from
the
fire
department
coming
and
checking
that
out?
How
does
that
actually
work.
M
Well,
absolutely
through
you,
mr
chair,
if
somebody
has
a
fire
safety
concern
and
it's
after
hours
by
all
means
call
the
fire
department
to
either
through
the
admin
line
or
if
they
believe,
there's
an
imminent
threat
or
danger
call
9-1-1.
Obviously
we
will
go
out
and
assess
the
situation.
Make
sure
the
area
is
safe.
Put
the
fire
put
the
scene
into
a
safe
situation,
take
all
the
necessary
particulars
and
follow
up
our
fire.
M
Inspectors
will
follow
up
and
potentially
leia
summons
under
part
three
of
the
provincial
offenses
act
and
and
charges
will
be
laid
if
they're
warranted.
D
D
So
if
the
device
has
an
automatic
shut
off,
then
like
for
the
natural
gas
high-end
ones
or
the
propane
ones,
they're
allowed-
and
you
know
like
those
are
definitely
high-end
ones-
that
some
of
the
landscaping
companies,
the
wentworth
companies
you
know-
will
put
into
someone's
backyard
they're
beautiful,
but
they
would
still
have
to
comply
to
the
setbacks
that
we
see
in
the
bylaw.
Being
you
know,
nine
meters
away
or
whatever
those
bylaws
stipulations
did
those
exact
specs
apply
also
to
the
natural
shutoff
devices.
M
If
it's
an
approved
appliance
and
it's
being
used
within
the
manufacturer's
specification,
they
would
be
they'd
be
allowed.
Obviously
we
do
have
other
appliances
that
burn
natural
materials
like
wood
and
other
classic
materials.
That
would
be
that
would
be
subject
to
a
review,
but
we're
always
happy
to
come
out
and
consult
first
we'd,
rather
do
that
than
come
out.
M
We'd
like
to
consult
and
educate
rather
than
attend
and
enforce,
and
that's
not
the
intent
in
the
first
year
of
the
bylaw
it'll
be
really
a
a
learning
opportunity
for
the
community
and
we'll
get
feedback
and
we'll
will
be
reasonable
about
that.
But
off
appliances
will
be
allowed.
N
Thank
you,
mr
good
evening
chief.
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
you
and
your
team
for
all
the
consultation
on
this
east
end.
Facebook
group
was
quite
lively
at
one
point
when
people
were
concerned
that
they
weren't
going
to
be
able
to
use
200
devices.
N
So,
on
behalf
of
everybody,
and
also
the
great
work
that
she
possibly
did
providing
a
lot
of
wording,
clarification
and
truly
showing
that
this
was
a
consultation
and
a
process
that
was
built
in
conjunction
with
feedback
from
the
community
was
very
well
received,
and
also
the
fact
that
it
was
education
first
for
the
next
little
bit
has
also
been
very
well
received.
So
it
goes
to
you
and
your
team.
This
has
been.
N
I've
had
a
lot
of
feedback
where
people
said
they
really
enjoyed
the
constitution,
progress
and
the
process
throughout
this
entire
endeavor,
and
they
said
it
was
a
great
opportunity
to
get
to
know
some
of
their
fire
prevention
officers
a
little
bit
better.
So
we
spent
quite
a
bit
of
time
on
the
phone
with
some
constituents.
So
thanks
very
much
for
that.
D
Sorry
through
you,
mr
chair,
just
the
last
question,
so
when
counselor
passes,
this
chief
armstrong
and
counselor
bone
was
just
saying
we're
focusing
on
education,
so
when
would
people
be
required
to
get
the
permit
just
so
I
can
let
I
know
I'm
going
to
get
some
questions
about
that.
We
approve
it
at
council,
then
they
have
to
get
the
permit
starting
this
summer.
M
Or
chief,
our
prevention
officers,
working
with
staff
and
and
the
communications
team
to
present
a
plan
to
do
just
that,
following
the
passing
of
the
bylaw
we'll
put
together
a
plan
and,
and
obviously
the
permit
is,
is
a
no
fee
permit.
M
It's
really
a
it's
an
opportunity
to
go
online
or
pick
up
the
phone
and
call
us
and
we'll
give
you
the
the
parameters
around
the
bylaw
you'll
have
a
most
people
after
they're
done
that
consultation,
whether
it's
online
or
directly
through
the
office
of
the
fire
prevention
staff,
they'll
they'll
be
able
to
go
forward.
Get
that
permit,
and
I
I
do.
O
A
A
So,
anyway,
anyone
else
on
the
committee
provoked
to
a
question
so
to
speak.
No
well,
I've
got
a
couple
of
questions.
This
was
not
a
question
I
had,
but
when
responding
listening
to
counselor
sanic,
okay,
I
wonder:
could
you
explain
what
our
approach
to
marshmallows
and
wieners
is?
M
Well,
obviously,
probably
obviously,
fires
for
enjoyment,
warmth
and
recreation
they've
been
prevalent.
Obviously,
over
the
past
year,
our
our
complaints
and
concerns
have
over
doubled.
So
if
you're
having
a
campfire
and
it
fits
within,
the
zones
spelled
out
within
the
schedules
of
the
bylaw
by
all
means
cook,
marshmallows
or
wieners,
and
have
a
family
event.
So
we're
just
setting
some
permissions
around
how
to
do
that
safely
and
making
sure
that
everybody's
aware
of
that,
so
that
we're
respectful
of
your
right
to
have
a
fire
under
the
bylaw
and.
B
O
If
I
could
just
make
a
suggestion,
if
chief
armstrong
wishes
to
turn
off
his
video,
it
might
assist
with
keeping
him
in
the
in
the
meeting,
and
then
we
can
still
hear
his
responses.
A
M
Absolutely
marshmallows
and
wieners
are
allowed
and-
and
we
hope
that
that's
done
safely
and
within
the
parameters
of
the
okay
fires,.
A
Yes,
we
did
thank
you,
we
heard
you
and
then
suddenly
you
were
cut
off
as
well.
So
there's
a
bit
of
instability
there
and
I
think
the
host
is
just
making
sure
you.
Don't
you
cut
down
the
amount
of
energy
connection
on
your
internet
that
you're
relying
on.
A
So
next
question:
okay:
it
was
pointed
out
in
the
report
that
it
was
the
opinion
of
of
native
people
that
were
consulted,
that
it
was
not
appropriate
to
have
ceremonial
fire
referenced
as
part
of
the
bylaw.
Now
I
think,
I'm
fine
with
that.
I
just
wanted
to
understand
a
little
bit
more
about
that
and.
M
Yeah,
they
absolutely
were
in
support
of
the
bylaw
they.
They
didn't
feel
that
it
was
necessary
to
separate
out
any
special
acknowledgement
in
the
bylaw
they
wanted
to.
Through
our
consultations,
it
was
determined
that
we
would
work
with
our
first
nations
people
to
learn
about
sacred,
sacred
and
ceremonial
fires,
learn
about
the
role
of
the
fire
keeper.
M
They
have
a
specific
role
in
in
that
community
and
and
then
make
sure
that
we
understand
where
those
fires
are
happening
and
when
so
that
we
don't
call
on
emergency
resources
to
roll
up
on
a
fire
and
and
cause
cause
a
disturbance
just
by
by
our
response.
So
they
felt
that
the
bylaw
covered
sacred
and
ceremonial
fires,
but
they
didn't
necessarily
want
anything
specific
to
their
community
or
their
their
first
nations.
People.
M
And
I
could
admit
we
are
going
to
continue
continue
our
consultations
with
our
our
first
nations
community
to
to
flesh
out
through
that
education
and
communication
plan,
just
the
role
of
the
fire
keeper.
So
our
staff
really
understand
what
that
that
role
is
and
how
important
it
is
to
that
community.
A
That
sounds
really
good,
and
also
just
right
here
applaud
your
plan
to
have
a
year
of
education
for
the
public
at
large.
While
they
get
used
to
this
change,
it
talks
about
outdoor
appliances
are
allowed.
Does
that
include
this
sort
of
backyard?
A
M
Yes,
like
the
chimney
is,
or
the
or
the
fire
bulls
mr
chair,
those
are
are
definitely
that
was
part
of
the
feedback
we
received
from
the
community,
and
that
was
a
change,
an
adjustment
we
made
to
the
bylaw
to
permit
those
in
in
we'll
call
it
the
south
zone
and
that
they
are
now
allowed
and
that
you
know
we
did
provide
some
guidelines
around
setbacks
and
side
setbacks
when
they
do
install
those
appliances.
A
M
A
M
Well,
we
felt
that
no,
we
didn't
need
the
the
permit
fee
as
as
is
important
in
the
implementation
of
the
bylaw.
We
did
understand
that
we
would
assess
the
the
administration
administrative
burden
on
that
to
that
effort
and,
if
necessary,
we
would
come
back
with
recommendations
in
the
with
a
revision
to
that
fee
in
the
fees
and
charges
by
law.
But
we
felt
that
it
was
most
important
for
us
to
understand
where
these
fires
were
occurring.
So
we
could
start
to
resist
the
need
to
respond
resources
unnecessarily
to
that.
M
So
if
we
had
people
that
understood
the
requirements
filled
out
the
permit,
we
would
have
an
awareness
that
would
be
put
into
our
response
system
and
we
would
have
a
better
awareness
in
the
community
where
these
fires
are
happening.
M
We
could
also
target
education
and
and
communications
to
the
areas
that
have
a
lot
of
permits
and
we
can
start
to
tailor
some
of
our
fire
prevention
and
public
education
in
those
areas.
A
Great.
Thank
you
very
much.
So
that's
my
questions.
Any
other
questions
from
the
committee
counselor
sanic.
D
Sorry,
mr
chair,
just
when
we
meet
it
again,.
D
D
Okay,
all
right
so
would
it
be
going
from
like
every
january
or
like
calendar
year,
or
is
it
more
like
a
spring
every
spring,
going
into
the
summer
season?
How
how
does
the
renewal
process
work.
M
I'm
gonna
ask
ted
chief
posidowski
to
comment
on
that
he's
been
working
on
the
plan.
H
Thanks
chief
through
you,
mr
chair,
the
it's
per
calendar
year,
so
we
really
don't
have
at
this
time.
There's
no
curfews.
You
can
burn
throughout
the
year.
I
know
some
municipalities
kind
of
have
a
burn
season,
whether
it's
april
1st,
to
the
end
of
october,
but
where
the
the
permit
would
be
for
per
calendar
year.
D
L
D
A
A
Yes,
we
have
a
recommendation
so
now
we'll
go
to
before
we
do
that
we
go
to
the
public.
There
is
no
public.
We,
I
believe
the
clerk
said
that
earlier.
A
I
will
read
the
recommendation
and
we'll
look
for
a
mover
in
a
second
recommendation
that
the
arts,
recreation,
community
policies
committee
recommended
council
that
the
bylaw
being
a
bylaw
to
regulate
the
setting
and
maintaining
of
open
air
fires
in
the
city
of
kingston,
as
per
exhibit
a
attached
report,
number
rp
21002
draft
bylaw
to
regulate
the
setting
and
maintain
your
voting
for
air
fires
in
the
state
of
kingston
be
approved
and
that
upon
council
approval
of
the
proposed
bylaw,
a
bylaw
to
regulate
the
setting
and
maintaining
of
open
air
fires
in
the
city
of
kingston
attached.
A
A
A
I
don't
see
any
hands,
we're
really
participating
group
tonight.
So
I
I
have
one
comment
and
that
is
I
read
the
other.
The
the
best
practices
thing
I
scan
through
it
anyway
on
other
cities,
and
this
is
a
very
relative
to
other
places.
I
mean
they
allowed
you
to
have
open
air
air
fire
in
one
place.
I
think
they
said
you
had
to
be
150
meters
from
like
any
structure
or
building,
and
there
are
a
few
other
things
in
there.
A
So
I
think
this
this
proposal
is
actually
fairly
libertarian
and
should
satisfy
even
council
houston,
so
I'm
just
teasing
yeah,
but
so
we'll
see
how
it
goes.
I
mean
they
as,
as
the
chief
said
right.
They
they
reserve
the
right
to
come
back
and
I
have
to
say
the
the
reports
of
the
number
of
open-air
fires
that
they've
been
called
to
in
last
year.
A
You
know,
sometimes
these
numbers
we
get
from
staff
are
a
bit
shocking
right,
300,
so
the
bylaws
in
order.
I
think
that
was
a
conclusion
staff
came
to
so
I'm
done
anybody
else.
Let's
see
anyone
all
those
in
favor
and
that
passes
united
states
as
well.
So
that's
great
and
unless
I'm
corrected
by
then
pleasure
clerk,
I'm
going
to
proceed
with
item
eight
motions.
There
are
none
item.
Nine
notices
of
motion
ten
other
business
eleven
we
have
correspondence
two
letters
from
catherine
porter
regarding
the
arts
and
our
administration.
A
Number
12
is
date
of
next
meeting
is
thursday
april
the
22nd
at
6
pm.
So.
A
That
in
and
finally
number
13
adjournment
moved
by
council
mclaren
accepted
by
councillor
holland,
all
those
in
favor
come
on
guys,
okay,
all
those
in
favor
of
past
two
unanimously,
I'm
pretty
sure
we
just
got
to
the
finish
line
there.
Folks.
So
thanks
very
much
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
to
the
clerk
and
I'm
sorry.
I
messed
up
your
first
meeting
so.