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From YouTube: Kingston, Ontario - Arts, Recreation and Community Policies Committee - December 8, 2021
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Arts, Recreation and Community Policies Committee meeting from December 8, 2021. For full meeting agenda visit https://bit.ly/3rMO4Gs
A
Perfect
so
we
have,
we
do
have
quorum
now
so
good
evening.
Everyone,
it
is
six
o'clock,
we
have
the
live
stream
up
and
running,
so
we
will
get
started
again.
I
do
confirm
we
have
quorum
with
four
members,
with
the
exception
of
counselor,
neil
and
councilor
boehm,
who
both
have
sent
their
regrets
for
this
evening.
A
I
will
open
the
meeting
this
evening
as
we
do
have
to
do
the
first
item
of
business,
which
is
the
election
of
officers,
but
quickly
before
we
do
that
I
will
run
through
who
is
with
us
in
the
meeting
so
from
staff.
We
have
colin
wiggington
director,
art,
arts
and
culture
services,
danica,
lockheed
manager,
arts
and
sector
development.
A
Ian
sullivan
is
our
host
this
evening
and
as
well
as
myself,
julia
mccarty
jasmine
committee
clerk.
We
also
have
felix
sleeve
from
kac
joining
us
as
well
for
the
briefing
and
we
have
no
members
of
the
public
with
us
in
the
gallery
currently,
so
we
will
now
begin
with
the
election
of
officers,
so
I
will
do
nominations
for
chair
and
then
do
nominations
for
vice
chair.
So
is
there
a
mover
for
nominee
for
the
chair,
counselor
sanic
I'll
move
councillor
hutchinson
councillor
hutchinson,
do
you
accept
the
nomination.
A
Okay
seconded
by
counselor
mclaren.
Are
there
any
other
nominations
for
chair
you
see
none.
I
will
close
the
nominations
for
chair
and
call
the
vote.
So
all
those
in
favor
of
counselor
hutcheson
for
chair
and
that's
carried
it's
counselor
hutchison.
Would
you
like
to
do
the
nominations
for
vice
chair,
or
would
you
like
me
to
to
continue.
B
A
Counselor,
do
you
do
you
accept
the
nomination
sure.
A
Roland
are
there
any
other
nominations
for
vice
chair,
so
seeing
that
I
will
close
the
nominations
for
this
and
call
the
vote
so
all
those
in
favor
of
counselor
osanic
for
vice
chair,
that's
carried
so
counselor
hutchinson.
I
will
now
turn
the
meeting
over
to
you
for
to
call
it
to
order.
B
Thank
you.
Okay
now
call
the
meeting
to
order
the
business
meeting.
The
item
number
three
is
approval
of
the
agenda,
so
I
have
a
mover
for
the
agenda
counselor
sanic
second,
by
councilor
mclaren.
B
I
don't
believe
we
have
any
addendums
or
amendments
not
seeing
any
all
those
in
favor
of
the
agenda.
It
passes.
Okay
item
four
confirmation
of
the
minutes
of
our
last
meeting
september,
14
2021,
to
have
a
mover
for
the
approval
of
the
minutes:
coaster,
sanic,
professor
holland.
B
Magazine
so
all
those
in
favor
passes
and
number
item
five
disclosure
of
pecuniary
interest.
Seeing
any
six
allegations,
we
have
none
seven
briefings.
We
have
felix
lee
the
grants
coordinator
for
kingston
arts
council
to
speak
to
us
on
the
approval
of
the
tech
plan
for
administration
of
the
arts.
D
Hello,
hello-
I
am
here.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
present
the
2022
plan
for
administration
of
arts
funding
for
the
corporation
of
the
city
of
kingston,
which
I
will
hereafter
refer
to
as
the
plan
for
admin
as
introduced.
I
am
felix
lee
and
I'm
the
grants
coordinator
for
the
kingston
arts
council.
D
The
draft
2022
plan
for
admin
is
being
presented
to
you
for
your
consideration
and
approval.
I
would
like
to
provide
some
context
for
this
year's
review
and
for
the
proposed
changes.
As
2021
was
an
exceptional
year
for
the
ccaf
program
in
2020,
the
city
and
the
kac
recognized
the
unprecedented
implications
of
covid19
and
we
implemented
an
expanded
consultation
which
included
roundtables
a
public
survey
and
additional
committees.
D
The
outcomes
of
this
process
informed
a
number
of
significant
changes
to
the
2021
plan
for
admin.
These
changes
were
implemented
for
operating
and
project
grants
in
2021,
which
were
delivered
successfully
and
on
schedule
with
11
operating
and
15
project
grant
recipients
for
a
total
awarded
of
583
two
dollars.
D
This
was
intended
to
support
artists
and
arts
organizations
and
a
framework
for
this
funding
was
separately
approved
by
city
council.
On
the
2nd
of
march,
the
kac
subsequently
developed
two
new
grants
to
distribute
these
funds
resiliency,
which
has
now
awarded
100
grants
of
a
thousand
dollars
each
to
individual
professional
artists
to
allow
them
to
continue
to
work
safely
and
adapt,
which
has
now
awarded
15
grants
between
four
and
ten
thousand
dollars
to
individual
artists,
collectives
and
non-profit
arts
organizations
to
deliver
arts
projects
responding
to
the
challenges
faced
as
a
result
of
covet
19..
D
D
D
We
sought
feedback
from
ksc
board
of
directors,
the
grants
committee
on
the
21st
of
september
and
the
arts
advisory
committee
on
the
23rd
of
september,
as
well
as
applicants,
recipients
and
city
staff.
As
a
result
of
this
work
done
to
date,
the
kac
has
developed
this
draft
plan,
which
was
shared
with
you
with
changes
noted.
D
There
are
some
changes
that
I
would
like
to
highlight
for
the
2022
ccaf
grants
from
this
document.
The
first
is
that
additional
eligibility
text
has
been
added.
This
appears
in
c1d
for
operating
on
page
7
and
c2f
page
13,
for
project
to
clarify
that
a
recipient
of
a
resiliency
or
adapt
grant
in
2021
is
eligible
to
apply
to
operating
in
project
grants
in
2022.
D
The
purpose
of
the
project
grant
program,
which
appears
in
c2a
page
9,
has
been
revised
to
include
more
specific
information
around
the
intention
of
project
grants,
which
is
to
demonstrate
engagement
with
the
kingston
community,
to
involve
professional
artists
and
to
pay
artist
fees.
The
language
was
drawn
from
existing
adjudication
criteria
for
this
stream.
D
D
D
Individual
artists
must
meet
the
definition
of
a
professional
artist
that
is
provided.
They
must
satisfy
ccaf
requirements,
including
proof
of
insurance
and
reports.
They
are
also
eligible
to
submit
an
application
which
is
sponsored
by
a
non-profit
organization
through
the
existing
procedure
for
unincorporated
collectives.
D
The
next
change
is
that
a
clarification
has
been
made
to
exclusions
from
eligibility
c2f
page
12.
This
specifies
that
a
project
with
the
sole
purpose
of
creating
a
new
artistic
work
without
a
presentation
and
community
engagement
component
is
not
eligible
for
a
ccaf
project.
Grant
applications
are
evaluated
on
artistic
contribution
benefit
to
community
viability
and
innovation.
D
D
Additional
language
clarifications
may
be
noted,
as
well
throughout
the
document
to
better
reflect
current
practices
and
improve
the
understanding
of
those
practices
for
both
jurors
and
applicants,
and
that
concludes
my
presentation
on
the
changes
to
the
document.
Thank
you
again
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
at
this
meeting.
B
Okay,
so
do
we
have
any
questions
from
the
committee
to
the
the
president's
presenting
counselor
holland.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thanks
for
the
presentation,
I'm
yes,
these
changes
are.
E
These
changes
are,
I
think,
quite
welcome
for
for
a
lot
of
artists,
particularly
the
individual
artists
who
we
have
heard
from
in
the
past,
and
so
the
question
I
have
is
regarding,
I
think
it's
page
2.
It
would
be
21
of
the
the
our
report
11
of
yours
and
it's
the
section
on
the
requirements
for
individuals
applying
if
they're
doing
a
direct
application.
So
it's
c
c
dash
c
dot
d
and
the
letters
of
the
letter
of
reference
requirements
etc.
E
But
then
there
there's
also
d,
which
says:
individuals
without
a
sponsor
may
be
required
as
part
of
their
ccaf
agreement,
to
provide
additional
reports
to
provide
sufficient
accountability
on
the
use
of
the
funds.
I'm
just
wondering,
I
guess
two
questions
so
in
the
consultations,
did
you
hear?
E
Was
there
feedback
from
artists
on
that
or
what
that
might
look
like
and
also
if
you
could
give
a
sense
of
what
that
would
look
like
and
whether
the
requirement
requirements
would
be
considered
very
time
consuming,
because,
obviously
the
concern
is
that
if
it's
an
individual
artist,
we
don't
want
to
see
them
spending
a
lot
of
their
time
while
getting
grant
funding
having
to
justify
what
they're
doing.
D
Yes,
so
I
can't
answer
that
this
actually
requirement
d,
the
additional
reporting
for
accountability
and
use
of
funds
is
actually
a
requirement.
D
That's
also
in
place
for
unincorporated
collectives,
so
we
chose
to
duplicate
it
for
individuals
institute
it
for
both
and
the
reasoning
behind
that
requirement
is
that
an
incorporated,
non-profit
or
registered
charity
has
year-end
financial
statements
or
equivalent
that
go
through
an
auditing
process,
but
a
collective
or
an
individual
artist
would
not
have
those,
and
so
essentially,
that
is
the
function
of
that
reporting
that
we
may
ask
for
additional
information
on
their
handling
of
the
funds,
because
they
we
know
cannot
provide
us
with
an
audited
statement.
D
The
way
a
non-profit
organization
can
so,
that
is
to
say
that
additional
information
would
not
be
built
into
the
process.
There's
no
additional
request.
That's
automatically
part
of
the
application
for
collectives
or
individuals,
it
would
be
requested,
or
it
could
be
added
as
an
additional
requirement
by
a
jury.
Juries
can
allow
provisions
on
the
grant
as
well,
that
they
want
additional
information,
or
it
could
be
something
that
we
request
upon
submission
of
a
final
report
that
we
would
ask
them
for
additional
information
on
the
management
of
funds.
E
It
does
for
sure,
there's
lots
of
clarity
now
about
the
financial
part
and
that's
what
I
was
expecting,
but
then
in
terms
of
the
actual
sort
of
benefits
from
you
know,
usu
the
justification
or
whatever
the
the
engagement
with
the
community
and
all
those
other
things
that
are
often
criteria.
E
It
wouldn't
be
something
like
that
in
the
midst
of
the
pr
of
the
grant
correct
like
it
would
be
as
it
would,
it
be,
something
so
say,
a
year-end
financial
statement
type
thing,
but
not
an
ongoing
process
of
having
to
say
this.
This
much
outreach
this
much.
This
many
people
paid
attention
to
my
work,
but
that
might
come
at
the
end
in
a
in
a
final
report.
D
Yes,
okay,
yes,
exactly
the
reporting
function
currently
is
that
we
ask
them
to
provide
estimated
set
of
statistics
and
and
qualitative
measurements,
quantitative
measurements,
essentially
in
the
application,
and
then
we
duplicate
that
in
the
final
report.
D
So
we
would
be
looking
for
an
estimated
and
an
actual
to
be
listed
in
the
final
report
and
that's
the
main
way
that
we
do
that
check.
There
is
also
an
interim
report
which
is
much
more
general.
It's
only
about
two
pages
long
that
allows
them
to
provide
meaningful
updates
if
they've
had
a
significant
change
to
their
finances
or
staffing,
etc.
D
That
could
happen
with
a
long-term
project,
but
no,
it
would
be
an
additional
requirement
that
could
be
requested
if
we
feel
that
they
have
not
provided
essentially
sufficient
evidence
of
how
they're
going
to
manage
the
funds
through
the
reporting
process.
That's
already
in
place.
C
Thank
you.
I
heard
that
last
year
there
was
a
little
bit
of
a
debate
as
to
whether
artists
included
comedians,
and
I
understand
that
the
former
definition
was
tweaked
or
perhaps
bent
a
little
bit
to
incorporate
them,
and
these
two
comedians
have
received
funding
through
this.
Is
that
correct
so
far,.
D
I
see
danica
has
a
hand
raised,
so
all
I
expect
she
has
a
contribution
to
that
question.
So
we'll
let
her
go.
F
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
thanks
for
the
question
council
mclaren.
I
hope
you
can
hear
me.
Okay,
I'm
hearing
a
bit
of
feedback.
So
in
response
to
your
question,
yes,
I
think
what
we're
referencing
the
issue
and
the
the
sort
of
what
came
about
in
terms
of
comedians
being
able
to
access
specific
funding
opportunities
was
actually
through
the
local
arts
residency
program
that
we,
the
arts
and
culture
services
department
launched
at
the
grand
theater.
F
This
came
to
us
as
a
question
if
comedians
were
considered
part
of
a
professional
performing
artist
definition,
which
we
clarified,
that
they
were
so
that
specific
discussion
was
had,
and
we
clarified
that
canadians
are
absolutely
eligible
to
apply
to
the
residency
program
and
that
then
transfers
to
the
resiliency
grant
program,
which
I
think
is
again
what
is
being
referred
to,
especially
if
they're,
individual
professional
artists
comedians
who
are
looking
for
specific
funding
and
they
would
have
been
considered
eligible
for
the
resiliency
grant
program.
I
was
administered
last
year.
C
F
D
I
would
say
that,
in
terms
of
the
ccaf
definition
that
we've
included
in
the
document,
it
does
not
specify
discipline,
so
there's
no
restriction
on
artistic
discipline
for
application
to
ccaf,
and
we
do
consider
that
if
a
comedian
were
doing
a
performance
piece
that
that
would
be
in
the
same
categories,
other
performance
works
such
as
theater.
D
So
the
definition
as
it
exists
now
is
that
a
professional
artist
has
developed
skills
through
training
or
practice
and
is
recognized
by
artists.
Working
in
the
same
artistic
tradition.
Has
a
history
of
public
presentation
or
publication,
seeks
payment
for
their
work
and
actively
practices
their
art.
So
it
was
essentially
formulated
from
best
practices
in
our
understanding
of
other
funding
agencies
in
terms
of
defining
what
makes
a
professional
artist.
B
Yes,
thank
you
any
other
questions
of
the
presenter.
B
I've
got
a
couple
this
one,
the
no,
the
first
one
is
regarding
the
resiliency
grants
which
are
ceasing,
but
then
I
just
wondered
I.
If
the
thousand
dollars
made
it
was
enough
to
make
a
significant
difference
for
a
number
of
those
hundred
recipients.
D
Yes,
I
can
touch
on
that,
so
we
did
hear
through
our
reporting
process.
Most
resiliency
recipients
have
submitted
an
impact
statement
to
us
at
this
time.
So
the
majority
of
those
hundred
that
receive
grants
have
returned
to
us
information
on
how
they
use
them
and
what
the
impact
was
and
overwhelmingly
they
reported
that
it
had
a
really
significant
impact
on
them.
D
They
cited
quite
a
few
issues
in
terms
of
financial
stress
throughout
2020
and
2021
loss
of
job
opportunities,
loss
of
work
because
of
lockdowns,
and
they
did
feel
that
the
resiliency
grant
positively
impacted
their
career.
The
most
common
use
of
funds
was
to
cover
artist
fees
for
projects
that
had
stalled
without
financial
revenue.
D
Investing
in
improving
equipment
was
also
a
large
use,
so
transitioning
to
digital
work
was
a
big
upfront
cost
that
a
lot
of
artists
had
to
tackle
during
2020
and
2021,
and
almost
all
of
them
noted
that
this
did
improve
both
their
their
career
on
a
logistical
level
and
also
mentally
emotionally,
provided
a
level
of
support
from
their
perspective
from
the
city
that
they
appreciate
it.
D
So
that
is
to
say
that
also
the
demand
for
resiliency
grants
was
quite
high,
so
the
total
funding
request
was
almost
four
hundred
thousand
dollars,
so
it
was
far
in
excess
of
the
hundred
thousand
dollars
available.
So
I
would
my
answer
would
be
that
it
was
well
appreciated.
Artists
really
did
use
those
amounts
and
it
had
an
impact,
but
we
know
that
the
demand
and
the
request
did
obviously
exceed
what
was
available.
B
Oh,
you
don't
so
there's
a
little
hand
on
your
picture
for
some
reason.
Okay,
now
we'll
just
live
with
that.
Okay.
My
second
question
was
there's
mention
of
surveys
that
have
been
done
internationally
and
nationally
see.
Are
there
groups
or
individual
are
just
artistic
groups?
Are
individual
artists
not
so
much
individual
artists,
but
artists
as
individuals
that
are
at
risk
in
kingston,
particularly
at
this
time.
B
Is
in
the
report-
and
it
doesn't,
I
think
it
means
having
deceased
I'm
guessing.
Okay,
if
I-
because
it's
not
in
the
report
that
I
saw
the
the
that
that
the
artist
was
at
risk
of
having
to
give
up
the
art
or
give
up
making
their
living
from
from
some
artistic
performance
of
various
sorts,
the
theme
is
lucky,
that's
her
real
hand
up
now:
okay,.
F
I
think
you
might,
if
I'm
sort
of
understanding
you're,
referring
to
a
section
in
the
report
that
we
drafted
around
the
impact
of
the
city
of
kingston
arts
fund
and
some
data
that
we
shared
around
a
survey
of
the
canada
council
for
the
arts,
so
canada's
national
thunder
arts
funder
had
done
early
on
the
pandemic
in
may
2020,
and
a
couple
of
the
points
that
we
talked
about
and
that
we
included
in
this
in
this
report,
which
I
think
you're
speaking
to
and
referencing,
is
that
you
know
within
the
art
sector.
F
No
field
of
the
arts
of
practice
would
be
untouched
by
this
crisis
and
that
certain
aspects
of
the
sector
remain
at
risk.
You
know
given
the
nature
of
the
art
sector
and
how
it
functions.
F
You
know
we're
now
seeing
a
slight
return
to
to
what
one,
what
what
once
was,
but
the
the
the
process
is
quite
gradual
and
there
is
still
a
lot
of
uncertainty,
uncertainty
and
instability
within
the
art
sector
overall,
and
that,
on
top
of
that,
most
recipients
recognize
that
financial
aid
to
help
weather
this.
F
This
crisis,
where
work
would
not
be
available
within
the
art
sector,
was
essential
and
so
that
canada,
council
for
the
arts
survey,
mirrored
what
the
kingston
arts
council
identified
as
well
through
their
outreach
and
and
roundtables
with
the
arts
community
over
the
course
of
the
summer
of
2020,
and
all
the
conversations
that
were
being
had
at
within
the
art
sector
here
was
that
this
was
obviously
unprecedented
and
that
there
was
not
necessarily
relief
in
sight
and
so
additional
measures
to
support
artists,
but
also
arts
organizations
remain
stable
during
this
time
was
essential.
B
B
F
Thank
you,
council
hutchinson
and
I
can
respond.
I
see
colin
also
has
a
hand
up.
I
mean
I
think
what
I'll
offer
at
this
point
is.
Is
you
know
specifically
what
we've
seen
through
the
arts
and
culture
services
department,
the
performing
arts
sector,
so
musicians
actors,
anyone
working
within
the
performing
arts?
That
sector
has
been
one
of
the
slowest
to
recover
due
to
the
live
audience
nature
of
that
art
form.
F
G
Thank
you
and
in
response
to
your
question,
mr
chair,
I
think
what
we
also
have
to
recognize
is
that
even
prior
to
the
pandemic,
the
ability
of
someone
to
make
an
earning
or
a
livelihood
through
the
arts
was
challenging
at
the
best
of
times.
I
don't
have
statistics
in
front
of
me,
but
anecdotally.
G
That's
at
play
so
I
mean
this
is
one
of
the
things
that
danica
and
I
are
starting
to
unpack
even
more
with
the
work
we're
beginning
on
the
creative
industry
strategy,
because
we
are
able
to
get
more
in-depth
information
about
people's
ability
to
earn
a
living
related
to
their
pursuits
and
and
some
of
the
more
commercialized
art
forms
like
film
or
recording
in
some
ways
have
greater
viability
because
of
the
distribution
models
associated
with
how
their
work
gets
out
there,
even
more
so
than
say,
a
visual
artist.
H
B
But
one
I
probably
should
have
anticipated
anyway,
I
I
still
think
it's
good
and,
as
I'm
sure,
everybody
cares
quite
a
lot
on
this
particular
committee,
so
because,
partly
because
we
hear
about
it
a
lot
more,
so
I
think
it's
good
to
know.
Are
there
any
other
questions
from
the
committee
from
the
presenter.
B
Signs
so
I
will
say
thank
you
very
much
and
to
felix
lee
and
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
item,
which
is
business
and
the
approval
of
the
kingston
arts
council
plan
for
administration
of
the
arts,
funding
for
the
corporation
of
the
city
of
kingston
2022
and
is
there's
some
that
there's
calling
right
there.
He
didn't
go
away.
So
did
you
want
to
speak
to
this?
G
I
just
want
to
make
a
couple
of
comments.
I
appreciate
the
discussion
about
the
resiliency
and
the
adapt
grants
and,
as
felix
lee
pointed
out,
it
was
fantastic.
The
council
had
the
commitment.
G
G
Artists
in
kingston
and
has
been
referenced.
You
know
the
the
demand
exceeded
the
funding
that
was
available,
but
that
experience
helped
us
really
to
work
closely
with
the
kingston
arts
council
and
all
the
various
groups
who
are
invested
in
in
this
program
to
to
move
forward
with
some
further
additions,
such
as
the
ability
for
individual
artists
to
now
participate
in
the
project
grant
funding.
So
that's
a
great
evolution.
G
That
we
continue
to
hope
to
unpack
as
we
pursue
the
bigger
fun
review
in
2022,
and
I
also
want
to
comment
upon
the
fact
that
we're
very
grateful
to
have
this
partnership
with
the
kingston
arts
council
through
a
service
level
agreement,
and
in
particular
I
want
to
give
some
recognition
to
felix
lee
himself
as
the
person
who
really
did
much
of
the
heavy
lifting
through
2021
to
make
all
the
four
grant
programs
that
were
available
successful
and
to
administer
them
so
professionally
and
so
well,
and
also
was
the
person
leading
the
review
process.
G
That's
resulted
in
the
administration
plan
that
you
see
before
you
tonight.
It's
an
incredible
amount
of
work,
and
it's
done
so
well
and
with
such
thorough
thoughtfulness
and
professionalism,
I
feel
very
fortunate.
We
have
this
partnership
with
the
kingston
arts
council
to
do
this
work.
B
Well,
that's
very
good.
Do
does
felix
lee
have
their
hand
up
again,
I'm
getting
a
little
white
hand,
not
the
usual
hand
that
you
get
when
you
ask
questions,
and
the
answer
is
no
okay.
Thank
you.
It's
just
impossible
to
tell
what
hand
matters
okay,
the
anyways,
perhaps
counselor
holland-
has
experienced
it
too.
As
a
chair
I
don't
know
the
anyway
do
we
have
any
questions
of
staff
on
this
item.
B
No
one
has
any
questions
good.
I
have
one
comment
that
is.
B
I
really
appreciate
the
amount
of
work
that
staff
clearly
has
put
into
that,
including
felix
lee,
and
I
think
felix's
and
danica's
remarks
and
your
own
colonies
really
made
it
quite
clear
why
that
money
to
the
arts
was
so
important
and
even
though
it
didn't
seem
like
well
in
total,
it
seemed
like
a
fair
bit
but
individually
didn't
seem
like
so
much,
but
I
guess
if
you're
desperate,
if
you
did
something
for
people
so
and
it's
good
to
have
that,
I
can't
believe
the
amount
of
work
that
goes
into
revising
this
plan
every
it
seems
like
every
year
and
but
then
I
think
about
the
people
that
you
know.
B
Artists
are
people
of
opinions,
that's
my
opinion,
my
experience,
so
perhaps
that
has
something
to
do
with
it.
So
that's
wonderful.
If
there
are
any
questions
from
the
just
checking
again
from
the
committee
council,
holland.
E
More
more
of
a
comment
really
again
yeah.
Just
thanks.
I
think
the
over
the
years
I've
been
on
an
office
committee,
so
I've
had
this
opportunity
to
go
through
the
process
a
few
times
and
over
the
years,
mostly,
the
the
comments
have
been
around
the
individual
artists.
E
I
mean,
I
think
most
people
in
the
community
and
artists
are
would
love
to
see
a
lot
more
money
going
into
all
of
this,
and
I
certainly
would
love
to
see
more
way
more
money
going
into
all
of
this,
and
I
do
hope,
after
the
pandemic,
that,
as
as
things
get
better,
that
people
will
support
the
arts
in
the
way
that
they
have
with
all
the
enthusiasm
that
they
have
our
other
local
businesses.
E
And
but
I
guess
in
the
in
the
meantime
and
and
going
forward,
it
would
be
nice
to
to
expand
our
support
at
the
very
least
we
off
offer
it
wholeheartedly
and
on
behalf
of
residents,
who
really
benefit
from
the
incredible
art
scene
in
kingston
and-
and
I
guess
yeah
just
to
again
pick
up
on
the
fact
that
so
many
so
many
artists
are,
as
mr
wigginton
mentioned,
liv
pursuing
that
at
various
stages,
while
doing
other
things
or,
while
you
know
different,
different
stages
in
their
career
or
in
their
life
and
so
to
have.
E
These
individual
opportunities
available
now
seems
to
be
an
incubator
in
a
way
which
only
will
do
wonderful
things
for
what
we
already
have
with
these
amazing
artists.
Doing
the
work
here.
So
I'm
really
happy
to
see
that
and
thanks
for
all
the
work,
that's
gone
into
the
consultation
and
putting
this
together.
H
B
Yeah,
thank
you
yeah.
I
I
noticed
that
too.
How
can
you
ask
questions
when
they've
all
been
anticipated?
The
the
so
I
I
did
have
a
question.
I
want
to
bring
up
something
I
talked
to
mr
rigginson
about
before,
but
dealing
with
individual
artists.
B
It
seems
to
me
that
that
was
something
we
wouldn't
have
touched
15
years
ago
and
and
so
there
seems
to
be
a
sign
of
maturation
of
the
department
and
the
and
the
program,
okay,
overall,
the
kingston
arts
council
system,
and-
and
so
that's
good
to
see
that-
and
I
I
don't
know
if
you
have
any
comment
on
that
or
not
mr
wiggins.
G
H
G
G
Artists,
when
the
program
first
was
established,
you
know
the
feeling
was
that
artists
benefited
through
their
relationships
to
the
fund
recipients,
whether
they
were
operating,
grant
recipients
or
project
grant
recipients.
It's
always
been
a
foundational
premise
or
assumption
of
the
city
of
kingston
arts
fund
that
professional
artist
fees
are
paid.
G
Artists
are
engaged
in
that
work,
and
so
it
was
sort
of
a
more
indirect
experience
in
canada,
we're
very
fortunate
that
we
have
a
robust
tradition
of
arts
funding
at
all
levels
of
government.
So
there
has
always
been
well
established.
B
Right
just
one
other
aspect
of
this
is
that
it
seems
that
the
the
department
is
confident
that
they,
it
can
only
administer
but
ensure
that
the
public
funding
is
being
used
in
the
way
it's
intended.
B
I
think
that
systems
have
been
worked
out
and
processes
and
procedures
have
been
worked
out
so
that
we
can,
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
another
reason
why
you're
not
getting
so
many
questions,
because
we
have
we've
learned
to
have
a
really
strong
confidence
in
the
department
so,
but
it
does
seem
that
we
can
be
confident
that
you
know
the
the
funding
is
being
spent
prior.
I
wouldn't
say
properly,
but
appropriately
with
regard
to
the
regard
to
the
program
itself
does
do
you
have
anything
to
say
about
that.
G
Sure
and
in
response
to
your
question,
mr
chair,
I'm
happy
to
sort
of
speak
to
the
fact
that
you
know
the
city
of
kingston
arts
fund
is
actually
often
commented
upon
by
our
colleagues
and
other
municipalities.
B
G
Other
funding
agencies
as
being
a
model
of
a
municipal
arts
funding
program,
we're
very
fortunate
that
we've
been
able
to
develop
that
it
really
is
down
to
the
leadership
of
the
kingston
arts
council,
who
you
know
we
have
contracted
for
so
many
years
to
have
this
relationship
with
and
their
capacity
to
do.
This
professionally
is
is
very
much
appreciated,
as
I
mentioned
before,
and
also
as
it's
evolved.
You
know
what's
also
built
into
the
city
of
kingston
arts
fund,
which
may
not
be
as
visible
is
you
know
we
are
part.
H
G
G
We
pay
a
fee
to
be
part
of
that
process
and
all
the
applications
from
operating
grant.
Applicants
come
in
through
the
cadet
platform,
supported
by
financial
information,
as
well
as
activity
related
information
and
through
that
relationship
that
those
submissions
are
audited
year-over-year
through
the
agency,
that
is
the
canada
council.
So
you
know
not
only
are
we
working
locally
at
a
level
to
make
sure
that
the
program
is
being
managed
responsibly?
G
You
know,
we
also
have
those
kinds
of
checks
and
balances
with
the
operating
grant
and
and
the
other
strength
of
this
program
is
the
fact
that
recommendations
are
made
at
arm's
length
by
a
jury.
That's
assembled
every
year
by
the
kingston
arts
council
for
both
the
operating
and
project
grants,
and
so
it
is
members
of
the
community
themselves
who
are
making
the
assessment
and
making
them
the
recommendations
that
council
ultimately
ratifies,
and
so
you
know
it
is
the
the
community
acknowledging
and
supporting
the
community.
G
H
Not
too
onerous
reporting
process.
G
Is
actually
being
realized
and
achieved
as
as
intended,
so
I
feel
very
confident
on
behalf
of
the
city.
H
G
This
is
a
program
that
has
been
so
worth
supporting
on
the
part
of
council
and
has
just
gone
from
strength
to
strength
over
the
years
and
that
we
will
come
back
with
an
even
better
program
as
we
move
out
of
this
current
phase
of.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
It's
good
to
be
reminded
and
have
it
sketched
out
for
us
the
the
whole
structure,
that's
behind
us
that
has
been
built
up
in
the
last
decade
or
so
and
and
see
that
it's
a
very
resilient
situation.
B
So
and
yes,
we
need
to
recognize
that
we've
had
some
outstanding
people
on
the
kingston
arts
council
so
who
had
a
vision
of
what
they
wanted
to
achieve
so,
okay.
So
any
other
questions
from
the
committee
seeing
none.
There
is
a
motion
and
I
will
read
the
motion
and
then
we
will
debate
it
if
necessary.
B
Do
we
have
a
mover,
counselor
mclaren
second,
by
counselor
hall?
Do
we
have?
Does
anyone
wish
to
comment
or
ask
questions
at
this?
B
Not
seeing
any?
I
will
call
the
question.
I
will
not
call
the
question.
I
will
call
the
vote,
the
all
those
in
favor
of
the
recommendation
it
passes
unanimously
and
I
think
everybody's
happy
about
that.
And
so
moving
on
to
the
next
item,
which
is
a
b
report
received
from
the
arts
advisory
committee,
and
so
the
arts
advisory
committee
is
reporting
to
us
as
they
are
supposed
to
do
and
they
recommend
the
following,
which
is
b8b
item
1
or
I,
the
and.
B
B
That
might
help
me.
So
that's
the
end
of
the
business.
With
number
item:
number:
nine
motions:
we
don't
have
any
10
notices
of
motion.
We
don't
have
any,
I
don't
believe,
don't
say
any
hands.
I
don't
think
11
other
business.
We
don't
have
any
12
correspondence
13.
A
data
next
meeting
is
to
be
determined,
that'll,
be
called
by
staff
or
myself
as
chair,
and
then
we
will
proceed
from
there.
So
so
I'm
asking
now
for
a
motion
to
adjourn
a
counselor
standing,
something
like
council
mclaren
councillor.
B
Holland
is
eager,
so
so
that's
very
good.
All
those
in
favor,
that's
very
good!
Thank
you.
Everybody
thanks
to
staff.
That
was
a
really
good
presentation,
thanks
to
julia
who
puts
up
with
us
every
couple
of
months,
so
everyone
have
a
good
rest
of
the
evening.
Thanks
very
much
bye.
Now.