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From YouTube: Kingston, Ontario - Citizen Committee to Review Council Remuneration - November 22, 2021
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Citizen Committee to Review Council Remuneration meeting from November 22, 2021. For full meeting agenda, please visit: https://bit.ly/3cIBGOU
A
The
live
stream
and
recording
has
started
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
do
my
little
introduction
and
then
I
can
turn
it
back
over
to
our
chair.
So
tonight's
meeting
we
have
regrets
from
indira
she's
unable
to
make
it
tonight.
I
do
believe
jessica
and
heather
will
be
joining
us
at
some
point
and
also
just
a
quick
announcement.
Also
helen
chadwick,
unfortunately,
has
had
to
resign
from
the
committee.
So
heather
cole,
who
was
the
alternate
representative
from
the
education
sector,
she'll,
be
stepping
into
the
primary
role.
A
So
heather
will
be
joining
us
tonight
as
well
and
for
staff.
Tonight
you
have
myself
eric
o'shea
your
clerk,
janet
james,
the
deputy
city
clerk.
We
have
blair
johnson,
who
is
our
meeting
host
and
joining
us
tonight
as
well,
is
kevin
stevenson.
He
is
the
supervisor
of
recruitment
and
selection
with
the
city
of
kingston,
so
he's
here
to
help
us
with
some
aspects
of
the
the
business
item
on
the
agenda
and
we
do
not
have
any
members
of
the
public
in
attendance.
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B
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E
Hi
there,
my
name
is
lindsey
foster.
I
it's
always
such
a
tricky
thing.
What
do
I
do
for
a
living?
I
do
rental,
a
property
administration,
let's
go
with
that
and
communications
work.
I've
been
in
kingston
for
nearly
30
years
now
originally
from
london
and
I
actually
had
a
run
at
the
same
time.
I
think
laura
won
her
election
in
2014.
That's
when
I
ran
in
kingstown,
unsuccessfully
obviously,
but
it's
a
fascinating
process
and
I'm
glad
to
be
part
of
this.
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F
G
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B
B
A
B
Thanks,
okay,
so
we
move
on
to
review
council
remuneration
meeting.
Okay,
there's
no
delegations,
as
you
mentioned,
there
are
no
briefings,
correct
business
review
of
the
renewal
renumeration
committee
questionnaire
and
interview
information.
So
that's
what
we'll
be
doing
this
evening
that
was
attached.
C
A
All
right
so
there's
three
separate
items,
I'm
hoping
that
the
committee
can
advance
tonight.
So
the
first
one
is
in
the
agenda
package.
You
will
see
there
is
the
questionnaire
from
the
last
citizen
remuneration
committee
2017-2018,
so
the
first
step.
What
the
committee
can
do
is
just
take
a
look
at
those
see.
A
If
there
are
any
comments,
so
either
changes
you'd
like
to
make
or
additions
of
questions
and
I'll
say
tonight,
we
don't
need
to
the
committee
does
not
need
to
come
up
with
a
finalized
list,
but
if
you
can
provide
some
general
direction,
staff
can
then
bring
back
to
the
next
meeting
on
the
first
the
final
list
of
questions
for
approval.
So
this
is
just
a
chance
to
discuss
as
a
committee
what
you
would
like
to
see
included.
A
Maybe
if
there's
something
that
needs
to
be
taken
out
or
something
added,
I
will
quickly
note
that
one
question
for
sure
should
be
removed,
which
is
number
10
talking
about
the
loss
of
the
one-third
tax
exemption.
That
is
just
a
carryover
from
the
previous
committee
kept
it
in
here
for
continuity,
but
that
will
be
removed,
since
that
is
not
part
of
the
mandate.
So
with
that,
madam
chair,
we
can.
I
can
turn
it
back
to
you
and
we
can
see
if
there's
any
discussion
comments
on
the
questionnaire.
C
E
E
A
H
E
A
H
Right
so
the
that's
that's
sort
of
a
summary
of
the
the
interview
questions.
The
actual
sort
of
report
from
the
citizen
committee
for
to
review
council
remuneration
from
2018
is
is
a
public
document.
It's
attached
to
a
committee
agenda
or
sorry
a
council
agenda
in
april,
and
that's
where
it
talks
about
the
you
know
what
the
committee
had
done
and
what
their
recommendations
were
and
that's
how
the
committee
arrived
at
the
in
2018
and
that's
how
they
arrived
at
the
salary
that
they're
at
now.
A
A
E
Their
but
it
says
here
many
counselors
felt
that
they
have
to
be
on
call
24
7,
as
constituents
called
or
emailed
them
at
all
the
time
and
then
there's
a
mailbox
function
as
far
as
the
contact
us
and
is
there?
Is
there
delegation
now
or
do
like
I'm
assuming
everybody
just
writes
their
individual
counselor
as
opposed
to
going
through
a
central
system
right
and
then
like
each
counselor
is
responsible
for
their
own,
like
every
email
that
comes
in
to
their
account
right.
There's
no
administrative
support
going
through
and
helping
them
in
any
way.
H
H
It's
sent
to
the
appropriate
department,
and
that's
that
gives
city
staff
the
ability
to
track
it
to
follow
up
on
it
and
that
sort
of
thing
sometimes
members
of
the
public,
will
go
directly
to
their
counselor
and
counselors
are
also
encouraged.
You
know,
if
you
do
have
a
constituent
who
reaches
out
to
you.
You
know
with
regards
to
an
operational
issue.
H
We
have
the
ability
then,
to
to
generate
metrics
in
terms
of
how
many
inquiries
did
we
receive?
How
quickly
were
we
able
to
respond
to
them
which
areas
of
the
corporation
were
they
were
they
within
lots
of
times?
If
a
member
of
council
does
receive
a
question,
what
they
will
do
is
forward
the
question
on
to
contact
us
on
behalf
of
the
constituent
and
copy
the
constituents.
C
F
F
F
F
Individual
counselors,
especially
aren't
inundated
by
my
calls
one
way
or
another
right
I
mean
this
is
the
community
that
should
get
that
feedback
you
you
know.
So
if
citizens
have
a
view
and
they
want
to
give
some
input,
maybe
they
should
be
emailing.
This
committee
and
letting
us
know
their
thoughts
rather
than
waiting
till
after
a
decision
is
made
and
then
land-based
in
counselors.
C
H
A
really
good
step-
yes,
I
mean
definitely
I
I
hear
that
and
and
appreciate
that,
just
to
to
point
out,
though
this
this
interview
summary,
this
was
put
together
before
the
committee
from
2018
made
their
recommendation
right.
So
this
isn't
this:
isn't
citizens
responding
to
the
recommendation
from
the
committee
right?
This
is
this.
Is
these
are
responses
received
from
members
of
council
when
they
were
interviewed
four
years
ago.
F
Says
management
of
expectation,
and
it
talks
about
most
members
of
public,
don't
know
how
how
hard
counselors
are
expecting
to
work
and
and
so
on.
So
I
took
this
whole
thing
to
be
about.
You
know
communicating
the
work
of
counsel
to
you,
know
kingston
citizens,
so
that
they
understand
why
council
is
remunerated
as
they
are.
H
B
For
the
feedback
yeah,
I
think
I
think
it's
you've
both
made
a
really
important
point
here,
and
I
think
that
that
would
help
the
citizens
and
take
some
of
the
pressure
off
of
the
counselors,
because
once
the
public
sees
it,
let's
say
there
is
a
raise.
The
counselors
would
get
some.
You
know
maybe
possible
negative
feedback
because
they
wouldn't
understand.
B
So
I
think
it's
good
to
have
a
public
relations
or
a
marketing
campaign
that
is
done
by
the
city,
possibly
that
gives
them
information
and
how
the
committee
came
up
with
this
number
or
that
number
or
how
we
came
to
this
so
that
they
understand
and
they
understand
what
it's
what's
involved
in
being
a
counselor.
What's
involved
in
being
a
mayor
and
how
we
got
to
this
conclusion,
everybody.
E
C
B
But
it
was
very
busy
okay,
anyway,
okay,
move
on
to
the
next
thing.
So,
let's
see,
would
you
like
to
go
through
the
questions?
Is
there
any
questions
concerning
the
questions
here
we
go
that
we're
going
to
give
to
the
counselors
that
we're
going
to
ask
the
counselors
the
the
top
five
duties.
What
do
you
consider
similar
positions
of
that
of
a
counselor?
I
think
these
are
all
good
questions.
That's
my
opinion,
but
I
like
the
committee's
thoughts
and
any
questions,
concerns
about
any
of
the
questions.
B
B
B
Because
I
think,
if
we're
comparing
it
to
other
cities
as
well
like
we're,
comparing
it
to
peterborough
guelph,
those
cities
have
smaller
or
similar
populations,
but
kingston
we
have
a
lot
of
things
going
on
in
kingston.
We
have
the
base.
We
have
queens
we're
our
own
anomaly.
We
have
a
lot
of
amazing
programs
and
growth
and
buildings
and
stuff
some
of
these
cities.
B
They
have
amazing
things
as
well,
but
I
don't
know,
I
think
it's
sometimes
it's
hard
to
compare
apples
to
apples
and
oranges
to
oranges,
the
amount
of
infrastructure
that's
being
built
and
the
amount
of
work
that
the
city
staff
has
to
do
and
the
counselors
have
to
do
so.
I
think
that
might
be
a
good
question
is:
where
do
you
see
kingston
in
the
next
four
years
on
the
map?
What
kind
of
growth
do
you
think
or
expect?
B
F
Think
is
worth
adding
is
something
along
the
lines
of
during
your
current
term
as
counselor.
How
has
the
covid
pandemic?
Whatever
changed?
You
know
list
five
things
that
has
changed
in
how
you
do
your
job
and
whether
you
think
those
things
should
continue
forward
once
we
emerge
from
the
pandemic
and
then
maybe
some
follow-up
about
like
did
your
work,
go
up
or
or
decrease
or
stay
the
same?
F
Because
of
that
you
know,
like
you
know,
just
for
example,
all
the
council
meetings
moved
to
zoom
was
that
did
that,
make
things
easier
because
people
could
stay
home
and
not
have
to
you
know
hustle
to
downtown
and
park
and
all
those
things,
and
they
could
just
be.
You
know
in
their
living
room
and
eating
dinner
and
chatting
to
their
kid.
F
I
don't
know.
I
think
that
we
need
to
probe
a
little
bit
around
the
extra
workload
or
the
change
in
workload
of
pandemic
response,
and
you
know
what's
worth
keeping
like
do
they
recommend
that
council
meetings
stay
on
zoom
forever?
Is
that
a
good
idea?
Maybe
I
hope
not,
but
maybe
it
made
it-
maybe
it
made
it
more
accessible.
I
don't
know.
B
A
Well,
I
I
don't
provide
my
opinion
as
the
clerk,
but
I
I
have
noted
jordan's
comments
without
opinion,
so
I
have
that
listed
down
and
no
no
worries.
I
just
it's
a
little
joke
there
more
than
anything,
but
I
believe
kevin
who
is
are
brought
in
as
our
expert
on
all
things
recruitment
which
this
seems
similar
to.
He
may
have
some
context
he'd
like
to
ask,
so
I
don't
know
if
you
would
give
him
the
the
chore.
The
chair
madame
floor.
I
Thanks
everyone,
I
appreciate
being
here
as
well
and
helping
out
so
I
think
you
know
jordan
had
a
good
point
and
it
was
actually
one
of
the
questions
that
I've
been
thinking
about
as
well
in
the
world
that
we've
been
living
in
for
the
last
two
years.
You
know
related
to
the
pandemic.
You
know:
we've
all
watched
city
council
sessions-
maybe
maybe
not,
but
there's
challenges
right,
there's,
there's
challenges
and
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
extra
focus,
workloads,
technological
issues
or
challenges
right.
I
I
think
there's
a
lot
weighing
on
on
city
council
and
the
mayor
when
you're
dealing
with
trying
to
run
a
city
through
a
pandemic.
So
you
know
one
of
the
questions
that
I
would
have
would
be.
You
know
maybe
related
to
technology,
so
if
there's
any
other
forms
of
media
or
technology
that
would
really
help
in
the
role
of
the
mayor
or
city
council,
especially
in
the
world
that
we
live
in,
you
know,
with
with
covet
19,
you
know
perhaps
remote
capability.
I
You
know
the
impact
of
the
lack
thereof,
face-to-face
interaction.
So
I
think
it's
certainly
something
to
consider
how
we
phrased
that
in
a
question
to
counsel
and
the
mayor,
you
know
I
think
yet
to
be
determined,
but
I
think
it's
definitely
a
valid
a
valid
question,
because
none
of
us,
I
don't
think,
have
a
crystal
ball
and
we
can
anticipate
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
next
year
to
two
years
right.
This
could
very
well
be
the
norm
for
a
period
of
time.
I
You
know
with
an
edi
lens,
so
my
suggestion
or
advice
would
be
to
look
at
perhaps
building
out
some
sort
of
questions
to
mayor
and
council
around
what
role
or
or
what
understanding
of
equity,
diversity
and
inclusion
exists
within
mayor
and
council,
and
I
think
that's
that's
a
critical
piece
to
drive
this
city
forward.
You
know,
I
think
I
can
provide
some
guidance
and
suggestions.
We
do.
I
We
do
incorporate
edni
questions
into
all
of
our
recruitment
selection
practices
with
the
city
now
for
staffed
roles
at
all
levels,
regardless
of
regardless
of
the
position,
because
it's
it
is
a
critical
piece
for
us.
It's
critical
for
the
success
of
the
corporation,
and
I
think
it's
a
very
valuable
from
a
mayor
and
council
perspective.
So
if
there's
one
piece
of
you
know
information
that
I
would
highly
suggest
we
sort
of
flush
out
a
bit
further.
H
So
excuse
me,
so
that's
not
a
policy
that
city
staff
or
even
council
can
set,
because
that's
the
municipal
election
is
governed
by
the
municipal
elections
act,
so
it
doesn't
set
out
any
requirements
for
equity,
diversity
or
inclusion.
What
I
can
tell
you
is
in
the
2018
election
we
had
a
number
of
women
running.
We
had
a
number
of
young
people
running.
H
We
had
a
number
of
people,
people
of
color,
running
indigenous
people,
people
from
the
lgbtq
community,
but
but
city
staff
or
council
have
no
control
over
whether
or
not
those
people
get
elected,
and
that
is
where
in
the
difference
lies
right.
So
we
we
did
have
a
very
diverse
group
of
people
that
were
running,
but
ultimately
some
of
those
people
were
not
were
not
elected
to
council.
So
we
do,
you
know,
reach
out
and
do
engagement
to
to
try
and
encourage
nominations
from
across
the
across
the
edni
sectors
and
communities.
H
E
Yeah
no-
and
I
appreciate
that,
and
that
actually
wasn't
what
I
was
referring
to
not
as
far
as
the
recruitment
process,
but
when
kevin
was
talking
about
within
this
questionnaire,
including
something
pertaining
to
edi.
Is
it
more
of
counselors
dealings
with
the
public
to
incorporate
edi
into
their
responses
and
their
engagement?
Is
that
what
I
just
didn't
understand
what
kevin
was
asking
specifically,
what
question
related
to
that?
Would
we
ask
counselors
sorry.
I
I
Yeah
thanks
lindsay
just
to
clarify,
so
what
I
would
suggest
when
you're,
when
you're
considering
discussions
with
mayor
and
council
is
even
asking
a
question
along
the
lines
of
you
know
describe
your
understanding
of
edna,
and
why
would
this
be
important
to
the
role
of
mayor
and
council?
I
think
you
want
to
get
a
perspective
that
you
know
they're
operating
as
a
as
a
counselor
or
a
mayor
for
the
corporation,
a
lens
to
equity,
diversity
and
inclusion,
and
and
what
that
means
you
know
broader
than
that
it
could
be.
E
I
E
Yes,
thank
you.
I
just
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
how
that
was
going
to
be
phrased
in
a
question
for
counselors
that
they
wouldn't
look
at
it
and
go
yeah
for
sure
and
that's
you
know
we
want
them
to
be
as
forthcoming
as
possible
and
not
consumed
by
the
language
and
not
offending,
and
not
you
know
doing
something
that
they.
You
know
we
just
want
yeah.
We
just
want
basic
information
that
they're
gonna
find
relatively
simple
to.
I
I
think
even
to
go
one
step
further.
If
you
want
to
look
at
it
specifically
as
a
question
to
mayor
and
council,
you
could
ask
them
what
what
principles
or
practices
that
they've
employed
to
ensure
that
is
incorporated
into
their
work.
As
a
member
of
mayor
and
council,
you
know,
I
think
I
think
that's
very
specific
and
I
think
a
city
councilor
or
the
mayor
should
be
able
to
address
through
experience,
how
they
practice
or
how
what
sort
of
principles
that
they
brought
into
their
practice.
B
I
B
F
A
couple
comments:
the
first
is
to
kevin's
eei
suggestion,
and
it's
just
in.
In
the
one
hand,
I'm
not
convinced
that
edi
is
necessarily
in
the
scope
of
you
know,
figuring
out
remuneration,
but
it's
certainly
an
important
thing,
and
if
this
is
the
best
survey
to
ask
about
it-
and
you
know
get
that
information
from
council,
then
great,
let's
do
it.
F
If,
if
that's
what
we're
planning
to
do,
I
would
suggest
a
sort
of
a
follow-up
question
along
the
lines
of
asking
counselors
to
suggest
things
that
could
be
done
to
reduce
the
barriers
for
underrepresented
groups,
members
of
underrepresented
groups,
putting
their
names
forward
to
run
for
council,
but
back
to
the
other
issue
of
sort
of
the
technology
and
stuff,
like
that.
The
number
six
on
the
current
list
asked
about
some
technology,
and
maybe
it's
okay,
but
maybe
we
need
to
have
something
again
more
pandemic
related.
F
So,
for
example,
I'm
not
sure
if
the
remuneration
package
includes
a
technology
allowance.
So,
for
example,
was
every
member
of
council
provided
with
a
zoom
license
so
that
they
could
have
town
hall
meetings
with
their
constituents
in
a
in
a
convenient
way.
You
know
things
like
that:
what
about
internet
you
know
our
counselor
roosterhoff
who's
out
in
the
countryside
district?
Maybe
the
internet's
not
so
great,
and
he
needs
to
do
something
to
get
a
better
internet
connection
out
there
or
even
members
within
the
city.
F
F
Would
you
you
know
require
to
better
do
your
job.
I
think
it's
a
question
you
sort
of
need
to
ask
about.
You
know
there
was
some
talk
about,
maybe
child
care.
Maybe
some
counselors
would
need
child
care
to
be
able
to
do
their
job,
so
I
think
some
probing
about
what
what
benefits
or
what
an
amount
of
taxable
or
non-taxable
benefits
as
a
would-be
or
types
of
benefits
or
whatever
would
better
allow
you
to
do
your
work
as
counseling.
G
Just
in
terms
of
what
jordan
was
just
talking
about
to
spin
off
of
that,
I
was
thinking
earlier
about
the
technology
challenges
that
we
all
have
since
covid,
particularly
with
email
being
inundated
with
email,
and
if
I
was
a
counselor
I
can
imagine
you
can
triple
that
when
it
comes
to
inbox
facebook,
instagram
etc.
So
I
was
wondering
whether
the
counselors
and
mayor
would
have
some
solutions
to
further
make
their
job
more
efficient
in
the
technology
world,
and
so
you
made
a
really
good
good
example.
Jordan
of
do
you
have.
G
Are
you
able
to
have
town
halls
on
zoom
and
do
you
have
the
the
right
package
to
be
able
to
do
that
beyond
45
minutes?
So
that
was
one
thing.
Secondly,
just
when
you
were
finishing
up
there,
number
seven
is
what
barriers
have
you
faced
in
fulfilling
your
role?
So
we
could
just
reword
that
to
be
like
what
barriers
and
what
other
other
things
could
we
put
in
place
to
reduce
those
barriers?
B
E
Just
sorry
going
through
these
questions,
there
seems
to
be
a
little
bit
of
duplication
as
far
as
what
percentage
number
eight,
what
percentage
of
your
regular
duties
as
a
counselor?
Would
you
consider
to
be
administrative
in
nature?
I'm
not
quite
sure
what
administrative
and
quotes
means
when
a
few
of
the
other
questions
talk
about
their
responsibilities
and
and
duties
as
a
counselor.
B
Well,
maybe
that
question
is
there
to
flush
that
out
when
we
ask
that
question
we
can
say
you
know
how
many
emails
do
you
have
to
answer
yourself?
Could
you
use
support
in
answering
your
emails,
a
lot
of
counselors,
I
believe,
like
to
answer
their
own
emails,
because
it's
more
personal
and
you
don't
want
to
send
those
emails
to
someone
else.
B
E
G
So
I
was
wondering
also
in
that
same
question
whether
we
could
ask
if
there's
technology
training
that
they
feel
they
need,
because
there
are
so
many
things,
especially
with
microsoft,
word
and
google.
Now,
where
things
are
so
much
more
efficient.
If
you
know
the
program,
and
sometimes
when
you're
working
with
someone
who
doesn't
know
the
program,
if
you're,
if
you're
digitally
minded
it
can
be
frustrating
because
you're
like
you
know,
I
could
save
you
about
three
hours
a
day.
G
If
I
just
trained
you
in
this
particular
thing,
something
as
simple
as
a
as
a
password
protect
a
password
login
that
keeps
all
your
passwords.
You
know
just
little
things
like
that,
so
training
was
one
of
the
things,
but
the
reason
I
raised
my
hand
in
the
beginning
was
because
we
just
went
through
edi
training
and
we're
also
going
through
policies
and
procedure
rewrite
with
keys
on
edi,
and
I
wondered
as
I'm
reading
these
questions
coming
from.
I
think
almost
everybody
here
is
white.
G
B
Okay,
thank
you,
I
believe,
on
derek
and
janet
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong
and
stephen,
is
that
any
kind
of
training
that
I
required
when
I
was
a
counselor,
I
would
just
have
to
ask
for
it
in
terms
of
technology,
and
they
would
assist
me
in
learning
how
to
do
whatever
I
needed.
Is
that
still
available
and
still
available
for
counselors,
janet.
H
H
So
so
those
are
a
couple
of
examples
of
of
things
that
were
done,
but
but
definitely
and
and
also
just
if
you
would
permit
me,
madam
chair,
in
terms
of
the
the
technology,
I
think
somebody
had
asked
the
question
of
the
you
know.
Do
members
of
council
have
you
know
increased
student
capacity,
so
they
can
have
a
you
know,
district
meeting
at
more
than
40
minutes,
and
and
yes
they
do.
They
all
have
that
that
ability,
so
just
to
you
know,
put
your
mind
at
ease
about
that
question.
F
Thank
you.
If
we're
gonna
go
down
the
path
of
inquiring
about
edi,
I
think
that
it's
incumbent
on
us
to
also
ask
counselors
about
their
experience
with
online
harassment,
trolling
and
also
in
person
abusive
behaviors.
You
know
I
was
watching
the
the
recent
council
meetings
were
a
member
of
a
delegation.
F
Who's
given
many
delegations
to
the
city
council
often
speaks
with
a
very
abusive
tone,
and
I
know
that
those
some
people
routinely
post.
You
know
hateful
comments
on
social
media
about
particular
counselors
or
all
of
marin
council,
and
so
I'm
just
wondering
you
know
I.
I
would
anticipate
that
having
to
deal
you
know
it's
it's
already
hard
enough
to
be
a
member
of
an
equity
seeking
group,
but
then
to
add
subjecting
yourself
to
the
abuse
that
comes
with
taking
on
a
public
role.
F
I
think
that's
a
real
barrier
to
people
coming
forward
to
all
people,
regardless
of
whether
they're
equity,
seeking
or
not
that
that
to
me
is
a
huge
barrier,
keeping
good
people
from
coming
to
council.
You
know
that
and
the
way
we
do
elections
themselves,
I
mean
it's
a
real
shame
that
our
provincial
government
backpedaled
on
ranked
ballots,
because
that
was
probably
something
that
would
have
been
great
for
local
democracy.
F
So
I
I
do
think
that,
if
we're
going
to
go
down
the
edi
path,
we
should
also
ask
counselors
about
how
much
time
they
spend
in
a
week
dealing
with
harassing
or
abusive
interactions
with
constituents
or
members
of
the
community
in
person
and
via
social
media,
because
I'm
sure
it's
not
insignificant,
even
if
they're
just
reading
it
and
ignoring
it.
It's
still.
They
still
have
to
read
all
those
comments
and
it
takes
a
whole
emotion.
F
Well,
I
think
we
just
you
know
it's
it's.
We
put
it
in
a
bin
of
it
takes
this
much
time
just
to
read
that
garbage,
you
know,
and
you
have
to
do
it
every
week,
there's
three
hours
worth
of
hate
that
you
have
to
put
up.
You
know,
and
I
I
don't
know
I
mean
I
just.
I
think
that
it's
important
to
know
right.
It's
kind
of
like
danger,
pay
or
hasn't
you.
You
need
to
know
exactly
what.
B
F
C
F
Go
ahead,
yeah!
Sorry,
I
just
to
follow
on
where
I
mean
you
read
it,
and
then
you
know
that
that
that
can
weigh
on
their
minds.
For
the
you
know
the
next
three
days
when
they,
when
they
read
some
of
these
things
right
when
they're
accused
of
being
horrible
people
right
and
so
it's
that's
sort
of
what
I'm
getting
at
is
that
the
mental,
the
mental
workload
that
comes
from
having
to
deal
with
that
stuff?
It's
mental.
I
Yeah,
I
think
it's
a
really
good
point.
I
think
what
you're
trying
to
do
is
look
at
gathering
as
much
data
as
you
can
about
the
expectations
of
a
counselor
or
a
mayor
right
and
then
through
a
job.
Information
questionnaire
is
really
what
you're
trying
to
to
capture
here.
As
best
you
can
so
that
you
can
make
an
educated,
disc
decision
around
what
you
know.
Remuneration
is
going
to
look
like
for
those
individuals,
so
I
do
agree.
I
100
percent,
if
you're
gonna
consider
factoring
in
questions
that
can
be
somewhat
sensitive
around
edna
you're,
also
looking
at
the
time
commitment
to
deal
with
disgruntled
individuals-
or
you
know,
people
that
may
be
quote
unquote-
harassing
you
right
as
a
counselor
or
a
mayor,
so
how
we
frame
those
questions.
I
think
that's
something
that
we
can
put
some
thought
into
and
maybe
come
back
with.
F
Yeah
I
mean
this
is
really
the
exit
interview
right.
These
people
are
essentially
all
leaving
the
job.
They
might
come
back
into
it
if
they
get
reelected,
but
this
is
our
chance
to
find
out.
You
know
from
from
the
people
who
held
that
position,
you
know
what
we
should
do
differently
for
the
next
set
of
folks.
E
Yes,
sorry,
one
final
comment
regarding
this
questionnaire
that
I
think
one
question
needs
to
be
added
and
it's
related
to
employment
outside
of
the
part-time
employment.
As
a
city
councilor.
I
think
just
for
our
committee
to
understand
what
it
takes
like
the
time,
commitment
and
accommodations
that
current
employers,
if
there
are
one,
if
they're,
not
retired,
or
what
have
you,
the
accommodations
that
their
current
employer
has
put
forward
to
allow
them
to
deal
with
council
business.
E
So
I
think
this
committee-
and
I
think
and
in
turn
the
communication
out
to
the
public,
should
understand
exactly
what
what
what
is
needed
or
what
is
required
from
current
employers
in
the
accommodation
for
people
who
who
sit
on
city
council.
So
I
would
like
a
question
added,
because
I
I
think
it's
very
important
that
the
committee
understands
that.
B
A
B
B
I
couldn't
talk
to
my
my
constituents.
There
was
a
flood
down
on
front
row
that
was
awful.
I
had
to
take
the
day
off
because
I
had
my
phone
was
ringing.
My
other
phone
was
ringing.
My
my
computer
was,
it
was
going
off,
it
was
crazy.
People's
basements
were
flooding,
it
was
horrible,
so
I
just
called
my
boss
that
I
can't
come
in.
I
just
can't
come
in.
B
It
was
difficult.
People
would
come
into
my
office
because
they
knew
where
I
would
work
and
they'd
walk
right
into
my
office
space
and
sit
down
and
tell
me
their
problems,
and
I
loved
my
constituents
and
I
and
it
was
it-
was
really
difficult
to
do
both.
It
was
very
difficult,
so
I
don't
know
how
you
can
have
a
very
high
stress,
job,
working,
full-time
and
doing
counsel.
So
I
ended
up
telling
my
boss,
I
could
only
work
four
days
a
week,
then
I
ended
up
telling
them.
C
B
B
Committees
I
was
on
planning,
which
is
twice
a
month
and
I
was
on
a
lot
of
other
communities
and
we
had
a
big
plate
of
like
we
had
a
full
like
we
did
the
bridge
we
did
the
airport.
We
had
a
lot
of
stuff
going
on,
so
it
was
a
really
busy
four
years
anyway.
That's
just
my
opinion
of
what
happened
and
very
difficult
to
hold
to
two
positions:
okay,
margiel's!
Next,
that's
my
two
cents
go
ahead,
marjo.
G
I'm
wondering
whether
and
it
sort
of
goes
back
to
what
the
conversation
that
jordan
started
is
is
maybe
one
of
the
questions
is:
did
you
I'll
just
sort
of
blot
it
out,
and
I
think
then,
maybe
that
can
be
formed
into
a
sentence,
but
is
there
enough
support
for
mental
health
to
to
help
you
in?
Like
I
I
know
in
my
position,
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
confidence
so
and
I
can
imagine
in
the
counselor
position
it's
the
same
way
like.
Is
there
enough
support?
G
B
Healthy
work-life
balance-
that's
that's
funny,
I
would
say
I
had
saturday
off
that
was
my
only
day.
I
had
calls
on
christmas
day.
I
had
calls
all
the
time
like
you
didn't.
Have
you
didn't
have
a
life?
You
couldn't
really
take
a
vacation,
but
I
was
lucky
to
have
my
mom
because
she
was
a
a
former
mayor
and
I
had
a
good
network
of
friends
and
and
family
and
people
that
were
invested
in
in
me.
B
I
noticed
a
real
change
on
people
being
negative
and
mean,
and
social
networking
and
people
sitting
in
their
basements
with
you
know,
sending
you
awful
emails
because
they
could,
because
there
was
no
interaction
face
to
face
so
that
that
became
difficult.
But
then
you
realize
you're,
just
a
shell
of
this
person.
You're.
Not
it's
not
personal,
it's!
You
are
elected
to
do
this
job,
and
this
is
what
you're
supposed
to
do.
So
you
once
you
get
that
you
build
up
that
shell,
you
just
say:
okay,
that's
what
I
ran
on.
B
B
But
it's
it's
a
lot
of
work
and
you
really
have
to
be
committed
to
run
and
you
really
have
to
want
to
help
your
help,
your
constituents
and
it's
a
great
job
and
it's
really
rewarding
it's
one
of
the
most
rewarding
jobs.
I've
ever
had.
So
it's
it's
amazing,
but
it's
a
it's
a
hard.
It's
a
lot
of
work
and
it's
it's
amazing
though
it's
you
really
what
you
put
into
it.
You
get
back
100
or
more,
but
anyway
it's
mental
health.
B
You've
got
to
work
your
way
through
that
and
it's
hard
on
people,
especially
if
they're
working
full-time
your
spouse
has
to
help
you.
Your
kids
have
to
be
on
board.
Everybody
has
to
be
on
board.
So
that's
just
some
insight,
but
you
get
through
it.
I
found
one
tip
and
then
I'm
gonna
stop,
but
I
had
a
lot
of
trolls
that
would
send
me
face
our
messages
through
the
internet
through
email.
B
B
You
called
me
these
names,
and
you
said
this
and
that
I
was
dressed
in
a
nice
suit
and
all
ready
to
you
know
be
friendly
and
nice
and
and
the
one
guy
was
shocked
that
he
saw
me,
and
he
said
oh,
mrs
turner,
please
come
in
for
tea
and
I
said
no,
no,
no!
No
t!
I
just
want
you
to
be
nice
to
me
on
the
on
on
the
emails.
Don't
don't
don't
say
these
nasty
things
to
me
anymore?
That's
not
nice!
B
You
know
I'd
be
more
than
willing
to
come
over
any
time
you
want,
but
just
don't
say
these
nasty
things
so
that
worked.
I
did
that.
I
went
to
three
houses
in
a
row
because
I
was
so
mad
at
these
people
being
so
mean
and
they
they
all
apologize
and
and
once
they
associated
a
face
instead
of
just
saying
nasty
things
they
they
were
nice
and
they
they
were
my
best
friends
after
that.
B
F
Just
a
quick
one
on
on
question
number
nine
of
the
existing
thing.
My
sense
is
that
this
council
or
room
on
the
second
floor
of
city
hall,
is
didn't
sound,
particularly
useful.
Then
I
imagine
it's
even
less
so
now,
but
I
I
wonder
if
you
know
a
question
like
I'm
of
the
view
that
each
counselor
should
have
a
space
dedicated
in
their
district
and
whether
it's
just
a
table
at
a
local
coffee
shop.
F
That's
fine,
but
I
think
that
that
you
know,
then
you
would
give
the
proprietor
of
that
coffee
shop
a
little
stipend
for
letting
you
lease
out
the
table
right
like.
I
think
that
somewhere
public
is
probably
a
good
idea.
So
I
would
like
a
question
on
on
the
you
know.
Maybe
massage
this
question
a
bit
in
terms
of
what
you
know
would
be
appropriate
space
for
you
to
be
able
to
meet
your
constituents
in
rightly
so.
C
B
F
D
D
Is
there
any
consideration-
and
maybe
this
committee's
looked
at
it
before
about
remuneration
for
committee
work
or
you
know,
because
it
sounds
like
not
all
committees
are
created
equal
and
I
was
just
curious
and
I
know
we
have
a
question
on
here
about
what
committees
they
sit
on.
But
I'd
just
be
curious
to
know
whether
to
be
any
consideration
for
that,
because
it
sounds
like
somebody
could
be
doing.
B
H
H
H
It
you
know
it
certainly
is:
you
know,
there's
a
there's,
always
sort
of
bantering
between
between
council
members
of
you
know,
oh
well,
if
you
can
serve
on
this
committee,
then
I
can
serve
on
that
committee
kind
of
thing,
and
you
know,
and
again
I'm
generalizing,
because
not
everything
is
not.
Everything
is
perfect,
but
you
know.
For
the
most
part,
it
is
there's
a
relatively
even
distribution,
the
one
of
the
the
sort
of
the
the
law
of
unintended
consequences.
H
If
you
start
looking
at
a
direct
remuneration
for
committees
is
how
long
do
you
have
to
be
at
the
meeting
for
five
minutes?
Ten
minutes
you
have
to
be
there
for
the
whole
thing.
That
sort
of
thing,
so
you
know,
are
we
going
to
be
getting
down
to
you
know
when
the
when
the
clerk
is
is
clerking?
The
meeting
are
we
recording
attendance
that
you
know
down
to
the
minute
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
members
of
council
who
are
attending
all
their
committees?
H
Do
you
have
to
be
there
for
50
of
the
time?
So
you
know
you
would
need
to
establish
some
sort
of
game
rules.
If
you
will,
in
terms
of
that
to
that
remuneration,
so
it
it's
something
that
has
been
it's
been
looked
at
here
in
kingston.
I
know
it's
been
looked
at
in
in
other
municipalities
as
as
well
and
and
the
the
consensus
in
in
kingston
last
go
around
of
this
committee
and
in
other
municipalities
has
been
that
you
know
you
know.
H
B
H
Any
member
who
serves
as
deputy
mayor
is
receives
a
stipend
of
250
per
month
for
each
month
that
they
serve
in
recognition
of
the
extra
travel
that
they
they
have
to
do
as
part
of
that
role.
You
know
they
may
be
attending
more
events
and-
and
you
know,
maybe
need
to
invest
in
in
some.
You
know
different.
A
Is
we
can
leverage,
kevin's
expertise
and
maybe
determine
which
questions
are
best
suited
for
an
electronic
survey
and
which
would
maybe
be
better
suited
for
the
the
in-person
interviews
where
you
could
do
probing
and
follow-up
questions
as
well?
So
because
I
believe,
there's
a
lot
of
information.
The
committee
is
looking
for
and
it
may
best
be
to
spread
those
into
two
different
areas,
so
I'll
throw
that
suggestion
out.
But
I'm
I'm
happy
to
do
whatever
the
committee
decides.
A
Yes,
you
lead
me
perfectly
into
the
last
piece
of
business
I
was
hoping
the
committee
could
accomplish.
Tonight
is
for
the
interviews.
We
would
be
looking
to
the
similar
process
to
the
last
remuneration
committee,
which
was
three
committee
members
served
as
the
interview
panel
and
we're
available
to
conduct
the
interviews
with
the
council.
Members
staff
do
not
participate
in
this
just
to
ensure
that
council
members
are
completely
open.
A
It
might
be
a
little
awkward
to
talk
about
the
administrative
support
you
need
with
the
current
administrative
support
in
the
room,
so
I
would
take
on
the
role
of
helping
to
arrange
and
schedule
these
they
would
be
conducted
electronically
via
zoom,
but
what
I
would
be
hoping
for
as
part
of
the
work
plan
is
to
find
three
members
to
volunteer
to
conduct
these
interviews.
They're
tentatively
scheduled
to
happen
over
the
weeks
of
december
6
and
13.,
and
we
would
try
and
work
these
within
the
first.
A
I
would
work
with
the
three
members
to
determine
their
availability,
and
then
we
can
make
availability
determination
to
the
the
members
of
council
and
make
it
available
to
them
there.
So
long
story
short.
What
we're?
Looking
for
madam
chair
is,
if
there's
three
members
willing
to
volunteer
to
be
on
the
interview
panel
and
then
logistics
can
be
worked
out
with
myself.
A
Correct
we
couldn't
have
say
two
interview
panel
teams,
because
then
there
would
be
an
inconsistency
in
in
the
notes
or
the
questions,
so
I
would,
I
would
again
defer
to
kevin.
If
that
is
the
the
proper
process
I
saw
him
nodding
along.
I
figured
he
would
interrupt
if
I
was
saying
something
egregious.
I
Yeah,
I
would
say
for
just
for
consistency
with
any
recruitment
or
interview
discussion.
I
think,
for
for
all
the
same,
all
the
questions
to
be
asked
of
each
individual
in
the
same
order
in
the
same
format
and
the
same
individuals
go
through
that
process
right
just
to
take
any
any
form
of
bias
out
of
the
mix.
B
A
Yeah,
so
you
would
be
responsible
for
taking
notes
an
example
of
sort
of
the
notes
that
were
taken
last
time.
Is
that
that
summary
document
I
presented
to
you,
so
it's
not
like
you
would
need
to
do
something
I
would
do
as
a
clerk
which
are
almost
like
verbatim
minutes.
Just
getting
the
general
themes
and
scope
of
things
would
be
the
responsibility
of
the
three
panelists.
B
Okay,
great,
not
everyone
is
here
this
evening,
so
to
make
it
fair.
If
there's
other
people
that
want
to
take
my
position,
that's
fine,
too.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
fair
that
everyone
gets
the
opportunity
if
they
wish
to
do
this,
so
anyone
else
wish
to
volunteer
or
not
volunteer
or
want
to
volunteer.
Please
raise
your
hand.
A
Perfect,
so
what
I
will
do
is
I'll
follow
up
with
the
three
of
you
individually
and
we'll
work
on
coming
up
with
some
schedules
for
availability
again
doing
this
via
zoom
will
make
it,
I
think,
a
lot
simpler
than
when
it
was
the
last
time
around
trying
to
schedule
in-person
meetings
so
yeah,
but
that's
something
we
can
do
outside
of
the
the
meeting
here.
So
with
that,
madam
chair,
it,
I
believe,
we've
covered
everything
we
needed
to
tonight
on
the
work
plan.