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Citizen Committee to Review Council Remuneration from December 1, 2021. For full meeting agenda, please visit: https://bit.ly/3DavhqA
A
Started
so
good
evening,
everybody
welcome
to
our
meeting
I'll
just
quickly
mention
that
for
the
meeting
we
have
received
regrets
from
jordan
he's
unable
to
make
the
meeting
tonight
have
not
heard
from
jessica
or
heather,
but
hopefully
they
will
join.
I
was
having
some
difficulty
with
getting
the
invitations
out
so
I'll
follow
up
on
that
shortly
and
with
that
I'll.
A
Just
quickly
mention
in
attendance
from
staff
is
myself
derek
o'shea
the
committee
clerk
kevin
stevenson,
who
is
our
supervisor
of
recruitment,
and
we
also
have
janet
janes,
who
is
the
deputy
city
clerk
and
we
do
not
have
any
members
of
public
attendance,
so
one
thing
we'll
go
through
quickly
before
we
start.
The
meeting
is
because
we
are
technically
entering
the
new
meeting
year
for
the
committee.
We
do
need
to
re-elect
the
chair
and
the
vice
chair,
so
we'll
just
go
through
this
quickly.
A
A
Just
raise
the
hands
perfect
that
passes
and
then
for
the
role
of
vice
chair.
Jordan
is
willing
to
continue
on
in
that
role.
So
can
I
have
a
mover
and
a
seconder
for
jordan
morelli?
I
have
lindsey
moving
and
laura
seconding
and
we'll
have
a
quick
vote.
All
of
those
in
favor
raise
your
hand,
and
I
see
that
passes
as
well
excellent.
So
with
that,
I
will
turn
things
back
over
to
laura
turner.
As
chair
of
the
committee.
A
B
B
A
A
A
However
peterborough
and
guelph's
data
is
data
that
I
gathered
either
from
reports
from
their
versions
of
remuneration
committees
or
that
I
have
was
able
to
find
on
their
website.
They
unfortunately
had
not
responded
to
the
surveys
by
the
deadline
of
this
information
going
out,
barry
I'm
still
awaiting
response
from
them
as
well.
So
that's
why
you
may
see
some
blank
spaces
of
information
throughout
the
data.
A
B
C
I
think
the
only
note
I
had
sent
about
the
data
was
asking
for
it
in
excel
and
just
a
a
procedural
question,
perhaps
for
derrick
I'd
ask
for
it
in
excel,
because
I
was
interested
in
doing
some
comparative
analysis
and
I've
done
some
calculations.
For
example,
you
know
what
is
the
the
the
per
capita
representation
by
by
counselor?
C
What's
the
proportion
of
salary
as
a
component
of
a
proportion
of
total
budget,
so
I
don't
know
if
it's
appropriate
to
share
that
with
the
rest
of
the
committee.
I
think
my
overall
question
with
the
the
comparators
would
be:
what
do
we
feel?
Are
the
relevant
pieces
of
information
to
inform
our
comparative
analysis?
So
is
it?
Is
it
size?
C
How
are
we
assessing
which
comparator
groups
and
then,
in
the
terms
of
reference,
I
think
there
was
a
a
notion
around
benchmark
comparators
or
are
we
are
we?
You
know,
there's
probably
a
a
methodological
approach.
We
need
to
land
on
in
terms
of
are
we
averaging
and
are
we
or
are
we
saying
you
know
we're
aiming
for
the
50th
percentile?
So
just
some
some
questions
that
we
may
want
to
be
thinking
about.
As
the
process
unfolds.
A
A
A
So
what
I
have
done
is
I've
created
a
spreadsheet
that
shares
that
information
and
my
plan
was
to
have
the
committee
determine
if
there's
any
other
type
of
benchmarks
they
wanted
to
use
that.
I
could
then
calculate
that
information
and
share
it
with
the
committee
and
follow
up
to
this
meeting.
So
we
have
those
four
comparators
ready,
so
we
can
segue
if
you'd
like
laura
into
a
conversation
about
that.
A
If
there's
no
questions
about
the
actual
data
itself
and,
for
example,
to
indira's
point
she
had
mentioned
using
percentiles
as
another
measure,
I
believe
another
municipality
escapes
me
at
the
moment
used
a
percentile
basis.
I
think
theirs
was
making
sure
that
their
remuneration
was
within
the
80th
percentile
of
the
comparator
municipality.
So
that
is
something
else
we
could
calculate
if
the
committee
so
wishes.
So
again,
I'll
turn
it
back
to
you,
madam
chair,
and
again
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
make
any
notations
needed.
B
A
At
this
point,
I
don't
think
I
have
any
more
information
to
to
give
at
this
stage.
This
is
the
the
sufficient
background,
so
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions,
or
if
people
have
suggestions
for
other
measures
that
would
be
calculated.
I
can
take
those
in
take
notes
of
that
and
make
those
calculations
for
follow-up.
B
A
No
problem,
so
it
was
a
basic.
A
simple
average
of
the
remuneration
totals
a
median
calculation
of
the
remuneration
totals
calculating
out
the
remuneration
on
a
per
resident
or
per
capita
basis,
and
then
applying
that
average
of
all
the
comparators
to
the
to
kingston
to
see
how
that
would
fit,
and
then
the
same
is
doing
it
on
a
cost
on
a
per
council
member
basis
as
well.
Yeah.
C
I
and
my
thinking
around
that
is
relative
to
comparative
sizes,
because
when
we
look
at
the
population
size,
there's
there's
a
pretty
big
corridor
of
difference
and
certainly
from
a
budget
perspective.
There's
quite
a
deviation.
So
I
think
that
having
it
as
a
proportion
of
of
that
monetary
measure
may
be
interesting
to
look
at
as
well.
A
That
is
most
definitely
something
we
can
calculate
and
I
can
do
two
measures,
one
of
combined
operational
and
budget
and
then
one
of
our
sorry,
operational
and
capital
and
because
we
know
capital
can
fluctuate
from
year
to
year.
Perhaps
one
that's
strictly
operational,
but
I
can
most
definitely
do
that
and
share
that
with
the
committee.
D
Thanks
laura
so
I-
and
maybe
this
is
outside
of
the
scope
of
this
committee,
but
I
just
didn't
know
if
we,
when
we
looked
at
these-
and
I
know
we
talked
about
the
comparable
comparator
cities
before,
but
do
we
ever
look
at
like
the
cost
of
living
in
those
various
communities
as
well
to
make
sure
they're
comparable
to
kingston?
I
know
like
I
think,
about
the
living
wage
that
they
announce
every
year
and
it's
it's
different
for
each
community.
So
is
there
a
way
to
get
a
sense
of?
A
No
worries
and
that's
a
great
point,
john,
and
I
think
honestly,
the
the
best
thing
for
this
committee
would
be.
We
can
gather
as
much
many
statistical
measures
and
see
how
they
play
out.
My
question
would
be
to
the
group
because
there's
a
lot
of
very
smart
people
in
the
room
is
there
a
specific
measure
we
could
find
perhaps
from
statistics,
canada
or
some
other
organization
that
gives
us
a
cost
of
living?
That's
done
with
a
sound
methodology.
B
E
C
F
C
B
F
You
know
you
can
get
lost
in
this
spreadsheet,
looking
at
all
the
numbers.
So
it's
it's
it's
a
great
idea
as
far
as
putting
these
comparators
like
to
to
to
see
more
numbers,
and
that
just
gives
us
a
little
bit
more
perspective
on
this,
because
that
is
it's
all
very
overwhelming
the
the
data
and
but
and
we
can
get
lost
in
it,
but
it's
it
will
it's.
I
encourage
to
find
that
information
out
and
to
look
at
these
numbers
is,
is
really
really
helpful.
G
H
I'm
just
wondering
whether
I
really
like
the
idea
of
the
cost
of
planning,
because
knowing
some
of
the
the
cities
that
we're
being
we're
comparing
to
there
is
such
a
great
difference
when
it
comes
to
that
particular
subject.
I'm
wondering
if
that's
something
that
kedco
would
have
fairly
quickly
and
easily,
because
it
certainly
would
be
something
that
they
would
use
in
terms
of
attracting
people
when
it
comes
to
economic
development
of
the
city.
A
Great
suggestion,
mary,
jo,
I
also
did
fine
quickly
and
a
co-worker
sent
it
to
me.
Who's
on
the
call
ontario
living
wage
has
some
statistics
on
a
municipal
basis
as
well.
So
perhaps
what
I
can
do
is
with
the
the
blessing
of
the
committee.
I'll
look:
do
some
research
over
the
next
couple
of
days
and
see
what
I
can
add
and
then
the
committee
can
determine
what
is
a
useful
measure
and
not
and
to
lindsay's
point
about
the
data.
A
Yes,
it
is
overwhelming.
I
think
one
of
the
big
summaries
to
provide,
though,
is
that
a
lot
of
the
comparator
municipalities
we're
looking
at
are
very.
I
think
it
confirms
that
they
are
accurate
comparators
to
kingston
in
many
facets.
So
that
confirms
that
if
we
use
those
remuneration
numbers
we
are
comparing
apples
to
apples,
I
think
is
the
big
story
there.
We
might
not
have
perfect
examples,
but
a
lot
of
them
are
very
similar,
even
in
terms
of
the
the
benefits
offered.
A
I
think
the
one
area
and
we
can't
lose
track
of
the
fact
that
part
of
the
mandate
is
looking
at
whether
or
not
administrative
assistance
should
be
provided
in
some
form
to
counsel
as
well.
It's
interesting
to
see
that
a
lot
of
municipalities
do
not
provide
dedicated
administrative
assistance.
I
believe
sudbury
is
the
only
one.
So
that's
something
worth
noting
as
well.
C
Just
before
we
move
off
of
the
comparator
information,
I
just
wanted
to
flag
at
some
point
for
our
discussion
and
if
we're
considering
total
compensation,
the
the
travel
per
mileage
or
like
per
kilometer
rate
is
perhaps
something
that
we
would
want
to
review.
But
I
would
want
to
understand.
I'm
anticipating
the
city
probably
has
a
policy
addressing
mileage
rates
that
would
apply
to
staff
as
well.
So
it
may
not
be
within
the
purview
of
this
group,
but
I
would
just
say
that
it's
it's
surprisingly
low.
A
On
that,
no
that's
a
great
point
by
indira
and
it
certainly
is
not
outside
of
scope.
As
looking
at
the
report
from
the
previous
remuneration
committee,
they
did
make
comments
regarding
things
such
as
like
mileage
and
budgeting,
like
that.
So
I'm
quickly,
looking
at
the
remuneration
bylaw
that
the
city
has
it
does
not
set
any
data
or
does
not
set
any
parameters
regarding
mileage,
so
it
probably
is
based
on
a
city
policy
which
I
will
make
a
note
of
and
can
provide
the
committee
with
additional
information.
B
E
Ahead,
janet
yeah
thanks.
Thank
you
so
much
yeah
there
is.
There
is
a
mileage
rate,
that's
applied,
it's
adjusted
annually
and
it's
it's
the
same
mileage
rate
first
for
staff
and
for
council
members
for
travel.
So
it's
a
you
know
like
a
per
kilometer.
You
know
x,
number
of
cents
per
kilometer
kind
of
thing.
E
E
B
Yeah
the
parking
pass,
I
have
to
say,
as
a
former
counselor
was
a
very
nice
perk,
though
that
was
very
nice
have
to
say
anyway.
Anyone
else
on
this
on
this
municipal
comparative
survey,
data,
yep,
mary,
jo
or
you're-
adjusting
your
screen,
okay,
never
mind
anything
else
before
we
move
on
nope,
okay,
approval
of
the
draft
merit
counselor
survey
and
interview
panel
questions.
A
If
I
may
do
a
quick
introduction,
one
minute,
okay,
so
this
final
draft
is
based
on
the
discussion
we
had
the
previous
meeting
a
big
thank
you
to
kevin
stevenson
for
helping
me
put
this
or
for
putting
these
into
some
semblance
of
order
for
proper
questions.
So
I
do
owe
him
a
debt
of
thanks
for
that.
The
goal
with
this
tonight
is
to
create
a
final
approval
of
these,
and
then
tomorrow
I
would
distribute
the
survey.
A
The
online
survey
survey
to
members
of
council
and
have
the
panel
interview
questions
ready
as
laura
and
lindsay
know
I've
been
sending
them.
Many
meeting
invites
I
believe
we
have
eight
interviews
booked
already,
so
that's
going
along
very
well.
People
are
very
keen
to
participate
and
the
goal
is
to
have
the
results
of
the
interview
panel
and
the
online
survey
presented
to
the
committee
for
the
december
20th
meeting
and
for
discussion
there.
B
D
D
We
could
probably
look
at
merging
question
one
and
two,
but
somebody
that
doesn't
know
anything
about
counsel
of
their
duties
and
responsibilities
and
then
the
second
one
I
think
we're
trying
to
get
a
little
bit
more
into
the
details
of
somebody
who
maybe
is
not
from
originally
from
the
area
that
how
would
we
explain
that?
But
I
think
you
would
explain
it
in
the
same
way
to
both
potentially.
C
A
I
would
say
we're
definitely
open
to
looking
at
them
with
a
critical
eye.
I
reviewed
your
comments,
indira
and
they're
very
relevant,
so
I've
got
some
notes
written
already
for
them.
So
I
think
if
perhaps
laura
indira
would
wish
to
go
through
some
of
her
comments.
We
can
determine
that
as
a
committee
if
we
want
to
make
those
changes,
because
I
think
they're
they're
very
poignant.
B
C
C
C
How
are
we
gathering
that
information
in
a
way
that
can
be
analyzed,
and
so
there
was
an
overarching
suggestion
that
there
may
perhaps
be
an
opportunity
to
move
some
of
these
topics
to
the
survey
platform,
which
is
perhaps
better
for
data
capture
and
analysis,
allows
us
to
you
know,
put
some
word
character
limits
to
responses.
So
I
just
I
I'm
conscious
of
the
back
end
of
this.
C
Once
we
have
the
information
we
have
the
obligation
and
the
responsibility
to
review
it
and
assimilate
it
and
use
it
to
inform
our
recommendations,
so
that
was
sort
of
one
one
comment:
the
the
I
think
looking
to
the
questions
themselves,
just
looking
at
a
few
of
them,
where
again
from
an
analysis
perspective,
it
may
be
helpful
for
us
to
move
to.
You
know
a
pick
list
of
responses
so
that
we
can,
you
know,
give
ranges
of
response
and
and
again
it
would
facilitate,
perhaps
a
little
bit
better
doing
the
analysis.
B
All
right,
no
you've
made
some
very
good
suggestions
to
sort
of
tailor
this
a
little
more
and
structure.
It
might
be
more
helpful
because
I
can
see
some
of
the
questions
could
take
a
lot
longer
and
could
lead
into
long
conversations.
Definitely
I'm
open
to
this.
I'm
open
to
suggestion
and
it'd
be
better
to
quantify
the
questions
as
well
and
the
survey
I
just
what
does
the
committee
think
anyone
like
to
go.
F
I
think
we
just
need
to
go
through
these
one
by
one
these
for
these
survey
questions.
I
agree
with
everything
that
has
been
said
regarding
the
context
and
and
information.
I
see
a
couple
of
these
that
don't
quite
say
what
we
were
discussing
at
the
last
meeting.
There
was
lots
of
comments
and
so
capturing
what
we
we
said
is
very
difficult,
but
I
think
there
can
be
a
little
bit
of
a
clarification
if
we
just
go
through
each
question
or
make
that
suggestion
on
what
we
would
like
to
do.
F
The
question:
if
we
can
just
do
those
for
the
the
survey
questions,
I
think
that
will
just
get
us
farther
ahead
right
and
and
we're
not
looking.
I
agree.
Some
of
these
are
a
little
open-ended,
where
I
wouldn't,
as
anybody
know
how
to
answer
these,
but
if
we
cut
them
down
so
an
example,
question
number
three:
what
do
you
consider
to
be
a
similar
position
to
that
of
mayor
counselor
and
why
it's
like
yeah?
F
We
don't
need
that
part,
but
I
really
want
to
know
in
an
average
week
how
much
time
do
you
estimate
the
the
time
that
you
spend
in
council?
So
I
think,
just
they're
sort
of
compounded
questions
and
if
we
can
work
to
make
them
a
little
bit
more
concise,
we'll
get
more
concise
answers
that
might
get
us
a
little
bit
farther
ahead.
D
I
I
would
just
sort
of
build
on
that
as
well,
and
I
I
fully
support
the
idea
of
having
some
way
of
whether
through
indira's
idea
of
you
know
a
drop
down
pick
list
or
something
like
that,
but
again
some
way
to
quantify
this
data
so
that
we
can
do
some
analysis
on
it,
but
then
not
only
that
we
can
also,
when
this
committee
creates
created
again
four
years
down
the
road.
You
can
actually
look
back
at
comparator
data
too
and
say:
has
it
changed
right?
D
Have
they
our
counselor
so
to
to
lindsay's
point
of
view
at
number
three
there?
Maybe
this
time
around
counselors
are
saying
on
average
they're
spending
20
hours
per
week,
but
maybe
you
know
four
years
from
now:
it's
it's
gone
up,
so
that
might
so
you
can
start
comparing
that
data
year-over-year
sort
of
thing.
G
A
B
A
Can
share
that
and
then
the
committee
can
guide.
So
thank
you.
Looking
at
the
draft
survey
questions
we
had
comments
from
both
indira
and
jordan,
stating
that
questions
one
and
two
were
very
similar.
So
would
their
feeling
be
of
the
committee
that
we
make
it
one
question
there.
Perhaps
the
the
comments.
I
seem
to
get
we're
potentially
deleting
question
number
two
and
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
F
I
think
it's
just
again
to
be
as
concise
as
possible.
How
would
you
explain
your
duties
and
responsibilities
as
mayor
and
counselor
because,
if
you
add
in
someone
who
does
not
know
anything
or
someone
who
is
not
from
canada
or
does
not
speak,
how
would
you
explain
your
duties
and
responsibilities
as
mayor
counselor?
That's
it
that
I.
I
think
that
is
all
the
information
that
we're
trying
to
to
achieve.
I
understand
in
the
inclusivity
and
everything
else
along
those
lines.
F
A
F
C
Sorry
and
again
I
apologize.
I
wasn't
here
for
the
conversation,
so
I
don't
have
the
context.
I
just,
I
think
the
discipline
that's
helpful
for
us
to
exercise
is
really
understanding
what
a
question
is
going
to
elicit
in
terms
of
our
mandate
of
informing
remuneration
and
the
the
element
of
support.
So
while
I
think
this
is
an
interesting
question
from
do
our
counselors
know,
what
is
their
is
their
understanding,
their
interpretation
and
how
they
view
their
role
consistent
with
the
cities.
C
B
F
Ahead
lindsay,
I
think
there
needs
just
to
be
an
opening
one,
because
I
think
there
might
be
things
that
counselors
and
and
the
mayor
do,
that
we
have
no
idea
what
they
do
so,
whether
it's
an
engagement
with
a
particular
group
within
their
within
their
district
or
you
know
they
might
be
doing
something
different
in
in
in
the
country
side
district
than
they
would
be
in
sydney
district.
So
I
think
it
just
might
capture
some
elements
of
their
position
that
they
they
might,
that
might
not
all
counselors
might
share.
C
I
think
I
think
that's
helpful
clarification
lindsay
if
that
was
the
intention,
I
would
suggest
that
these
questions
are
not
framed
to
to
elicit
that.
I
think
that
these
are
actually
framed
for
what's
generic
understanding.
So
if
we're
looking
to
understand
where
there
may
be
some
unexpected
responsibilities,
duties
activities-
maybe
that's
a
question.
G
G
I
think,
exactly
to
what
the
role
of
this
particular
committee
is
and
where
we're
charged
with
looking
at.
So
it
seems
odd
to
me
too
about
tell
me
to
come
at
it
from
someone
who
doesn't
know
anything
about
what
you
do.
I
mean
I'm
assuming
they
know
why
we're
asking
questions.
So
I
think
if
you're
asking
someone,
please
tell
me
the
scope
or
the
extent
the
depth
and
breadth
of
your
duties.
Whatever
I
mean
you
want
somebody
to
tell
you
in
a
comprehensive
way.
Maybe
that's
just
a
question.
G
B
B
I'm
looking
at
this
from
both
sides.
Okay,
so
I'm
trying
to
look
at
it
from
another
side,
is
that
it
helps
the
committee
understand
what
they
do.
So
I
guess
that's
why
the
question
is
there
so
that
you
can
understand
their
scope,
how
large
their
job
is
and
what's
involved
so
that
you
can
decide
on
their
remuneration?
G
The
question,
I
think,
that's
the
question
right
there,
that's
a
perfect
question.
You
know
explain
to
us
the
scope,
you
know
the
extent
the
scope,
the
depth,
the
breath.
Whatever
of
your
role,
I
don't
think
you
need
to
to
put
yourself
in
the
place
of
someone
who
is
or
is
not
familiar
with.
It
just
tell
us
what
it
is
because
you're
asking
them
for
the
purposes
of
determining
what's
an
appropriate
remuneration,
so
you
hope
somebody
would
then
tell
you
the
full
extent
of
their
their
responsibilities.
C
G
Some
of
the
other
questions
yeah,
I
think
so
yeah
right
yeah,
I
you
know,
I
look
at
this
one
as
this
is
your
opening.
So
back
to
that
first
comment
about:
there
needs
to
be
some
kind
of
andre
into
here's.
All
these
questions
we're
going
to
be
asking
you
so
that
first
one
is
sort
of
the
opening.
Tell
us,
you
know
the
scope
of
your
work
or
what
you
do,
because
I
guess,
embedded
you
for
me
is-
is
in
assessing
to
remuneration.
G
It's
not
just
about
time,
although
time
is
important,
it's
also
about
the
level
of
responsibility
some
of
the
details,
so
I'm
also
interested
in
sort
of
how
somebody
would
even
answer
that.
First
question
a
little
more
broadly,
because
that's,
I
think
it
gives
you
insight
into
this
again
the
scope
right
to
me.
It's
that
depth
and
breadth
piece,
not
just
how
the
time
splits
up
you
get
into
that
later.
With
some
of
the
other
follow-up
questions.
A
What
what
I
have
in
the
notes
is,
how
would
you
explain
the
scope
of
your
duties
and
responsibilities
as
mayor
and
counselor
and
to
the
points
earlier
about
percentage
and
time?
We
do
have
some
questions
coming
up
that
cover
that,
so
I
think
perhaps
keeping
it
short
and
sweet
like
that,
may
work
best
and
I'm
seeing
everybody.
B
A
I'll
move
on
to
the
second
question,
which
is
it's
a
two-part
question?
What
do
you
consider
to
be
a
similar
position
to
marin
counselor
and
why
and
then
it
asks
in
an
average
week
how
much
time
do
you
spend
on
your
duty?
So
comments
I
had
heard
was
perhaps
scrapping
the
first
question
because
it's
not
really
relevant
and
then
to
indira's
point.
I
like
converting
the
second
part
into
like
an
options
list
where
they
would
it's
not
open-ended,
but
they
would
check.
A
F
B
B
A
B
F
So
just
like,
how
would
you
do
you
did
you
track?
Your
hours
like
you
didn't
have
to,
I
mean
obviously
nobody's
like
overseeing
the
amount
of
hours
you're
doing,
but
for
your
own
personal
sanity,
did
you
go?
Oh,
my
goodness.
How
long
is
this
taking
me
like
how
long
how
many
hours
a
week
is
this,
is
this
taking
up
from
my
life?
Did
you
do
any
like
that
over
a
several
month
period
or
anything
along
those
lines,
just
curious.
B
A
That
gives
us
a
perfect
segue.
So
laura
to
your
question
about
deputy
mayor,
we
could
ask
an
additional
question
that
asks
when
you
have.
If
you
have
served
as
deputy
mayor,
how
many
additional
hours
did
you
work
per
month
so
for
everybody's
benefit?
Deputy
mayor
is
a
voluntary
position
and
they
serve
a
two-month
increments
rotational
basis.
So
not
everybody
chooses
to
serve
as
deputy
mayor.
B
A
A
We
already
know-
and
I
hadn't
seen
any
comments
or
received
any
comments
about
the
questions
that
are
in
the
bullet
list,
but
perhaps
what
we
do
there
is
establish
ranges
for
those
as
well
and
to
be
honest
as
well,
the
average
committee
meeting
question
I
have
that
data
as
well.
We
don't
need
to
ask
them
that's
data.
The
clerk's
department
can
provide.
D
Sorry
I
was,
I
was
just
going
to
suggest,
maybe
for
this
question
we
look
at
instead
of
even
ranges
derek,
it
might
be
easier
to
say
to
ask
them
to
provide
a
percentage
of
the
time
they
spend.
We've
already
asked
them
how
much
time
overall
they
spend
in
the
previous
question
and
assuming
that
this
is
a
full
list
of
duties
and
responsibilities,
then,
if
they
give
us
a
percentage
of
time,
we
could
pretty
pretty
easily
figure
out
the
number
of
hours
spent
on
each.
A
And
if
I
may
laura
to
john's
point,
this
does
cover
a
lot
of
it.
It
talks
about
preparation
for
committee
meetings,
time
spent
in
meetings
and
then
question
number
five
below
talks
about
responding
to
constituents
and
attending
functions.
So
perhaps
what
we
do
is
john's
suggestion
is
break
that
into
one
question
of
identify.
G
Made
me
think
with
that
last
comment
that
on
the
first
question,
where
we're
talking
about
how
many
hours
you
spend
in
your
role
that
we
might
want
to
include
in
there,
not
it's
not
just
in
your
duties
but
in
preparation,
because
I
think
some
people
might
think
only
we're
now
assuming
they're
going
to
answer
it's
about
everything,
and
you
just
made
that
comment
about
the
weekend
away
right.
So
you
know,
you
might
think
well
really
was
only
the
reception
itself,
not
the
additional
the
travel
the.
G
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
some
way
to
just
make
that
a
little
more
comprehensive
when
we're
asking
them
about
hours.
Just
so
people
don't
assume.
Well.
Are
you
only
talking
when
I'm
in
my
official
capacity,
doing
something
you're
also
talking
about
that
prep
time
right,
which
I
think
is
what
we
are
trying
to
get
out.
So
just
just
some
additional
phrase
there,
including
any
preparation,
travel
anything
related
to
the
activity
right.
C
That
last
bullet
point
speaks
to
spending
time
spent
preparing
for
but
it's
specific
to
council
meetings
and
then
it
goes
on
to
say
or
working
on
issues.
So
maybe
it's
just
a
bit
more
genericized
to
say
how
much
time
do
you
spare
spend
preparing
and
then
is
there
a
question
around?
How
much
time
do
you
spend
traveling
for
related
activities.
G
Yeah,
no,
I
think
it's
there.
I'm
saying
that
the
question
we
asked
before,
which
is
now
number
three
when
we
asked
that
one,
I'm
afraid
there
might
be
a
disconnect.
We
might.
If
you
look
somebody
might
say.
Oh,
I
only
spend
I
mean
it
doesn't
sound
like
what
you
said.
But
let's
say
you
say
I
spend
40
hours,
but
then
you
go
into
these
other
categories
where
people
are
putting
their
hours
and
if
you
actually
added
that
up,
it
looks
like
they're
spending
70
hours
because
they
didn't
count
the
other
things.
G
So
it's
just
that
disconnect
was
always
trying
to
kind
of
make
sure
that
when
you're
asking
that,
maybe
it
doesn't
matter
because
you
would
capture
it
later
on,
but
you
might
see
a
discrepancy
right
between
what
they
put.
If
at
some
point,
we
only
look
at
the
answer
to
number
three
as
point
as
part
of
trying
to
assess,
what's
appropriate,
appropriate
remuneration,
we
might
miss
the
other
things
that
are
captured
in
those
other
questions.
B
Okay,
all
right
derek:
do
we
have
captured
how
much
time
spent
reading
on
that
because
you
have
to
prepare
for
council
councillor
kylie
suggested
it
was
an
hour
for
each
hour
in
council.
I
I
don't
agree
with
that,
because
if
you
get
a
1500
page
report,
that's
not
an
hour
for
six
hours
of
counsel,
but.
A
B
H
H
Are
we're
not
suddenly
going
to
go?
So
all
the
questions
that
we're
asking
like
how
many
minutes?
How
many
hours
do
you
do
this?
We
all
know,
or
I
think
I
know
that
it's
they're
they're
not
making
a
lot
of
money
per
hour.
So
I'm
wondering
what
the
significance
is
of
finding
out
the
the
true
hours
when
we
know
that
we're
not
going
to
compensate
them
differently
because
of
that.
But
I
could
be
wrong
and
I
guess
laura
would
be
go
back
to
you.
H
B
E
B
F
I
think
I
I
believe,
john,
you
said
it
first,
let's
if
we're
asking
how
many
hour
the
estimated
time
you
spend
in
your
duties
as
as
a
counselor
or
mayor
and
we're
giving
that
big
range.
Like
john
said
earlier,
let's
break
it
down
a
percentage
so
and
include
question
five
on
this.
How
much
time
do
you
spend
responding
to
constituents
per
week
and
how
much
time
do
you
spend
preparing
for
committee
meetings?
How
much
time
you
know?
F
So
if
you
do
a
percentage,
then
they
they
know
that
they've
already
said
they
work
between
20
and
30
hours,
and
50
of
that
is
preparing
for
committee
meetings
and
50.
You
know,
40
is
this
and
10
is
this.
I
think
what
comes
into
mind
is:
if
they
are
spending
50
60
responding
to
their
constituents
every
week,
then
that
will
lead
the
way
for
us
to
recommend
or
not
administrative
support,
for
example,
right.
A
F
I
think
if
we
break
it
down,
like
john
said
as
a
person,
you
did
say
that
right
john
I'm
not
putting
words
into
your
mind
yeah.
If
we
break
that
down
as
a
percentage,
then
they're
not
like
calculating
the
hours
in
their
head,
but
they're
just
you
know
we're
getting
an
idea
of
how
much
of
their
time
they're
spending
on
specific
tasks,
including
number
five.
B
B
C
G
I
have
some
language
on
that.
I
was
thinking
duties
and
all
related
activities
because
then
it
gets
into
those
other
pieces,
and
I
do
think
to
that
to
mary
jo's
point
about.
You
know
what
we
can't
compensate
people
for
the
90
hours
they
work.
If
that's
what
turns
out
to
be,
I
will
agree
as
a
member
of
the
public
that
I
think
seeing
that
there's
that
many
hours,
I
think
people
don't
know,
and
so
yes,
nobody
gets
paid
for
all
the.
E
G
B
F
Sorry,
can
we
just
break
it
down
with
the
points
of
saying
the
percentage
of
you
know,
preparation
for
committee
meetings,
committee
meetings,
themselves,
preparation
for
council
meetings,
council
meetings
themselves
and
responding
to
constituents
and
attending
public
functions?
Is
there
anything
else.
F
Break
it
down
that
percentage
like
how
long
do
you
spend
preparing
for
committee
meetings,
how
long
or
like,
what's
the
percentage
of
time
of
your
of
your
week,
spent
in
committee
meetings
preparing
for
council
meetings
and
actual
council
meetings
right,
so
they
they're
looking
at
it
going
you
know.
So
if
we
can
break
it
down
saying
in
the
actual
meetings,
it's
you
know,
15
of
my
time
is
spent
in
in
a
council
meeting.
F
B
F
A
Okay,
I
have
that,
and
I
might
suggest
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
good
way
we
can
factor
this
in,
but
since
part
of
the
mandate
is
administrate
trying
to
determine
administrative
support,
I
don't
know
about
other
administrative
functions
that
we
could
think
of
that
would
put
in
there.
Like,
I
don't
know
if
it's
worth
adding
administrative
duties,
for
example,
I'm
at
a
loss
for
administrative
duties,
it
could
be
things
like
doing
expense
booking
meetings,
those
type
of
things,
maybe
would
that
be
a
good
seventh
one
to
add.
That's
excellent.
F
A
Oh,
I
think
we
have
a
good
consensus
on
that
now.
There
was
a
question
about
reversing
the
order,
putting
the
percentage
question
first
and
then
putting
the
total
hours
question
second,
and
I
think
heather's
point
was
putting
the
total
hours.
Second,
would
pro
second
would
give
them?
The
prompt
of
here
are
things
you
do
and
then
that
way
they
wouldn't
miss
something.
So
maybe
I'll
just
ask
is
that
people
are
people.
Okay,
with
doing
that
reversal,
then.
A
Good
okay,
so
I
think
we've
got
clarity
on
questions
four
and
five:
we're
merging
them
into
the
the
eight
categories
for
percentages
that
would
take
us
to
what
is
on
your
list
in
the
agenda
is
question:
six.
What
barriers
have
you
faced
in
fulfilling
on
a
daily
weekly
monthly
basis
and
what
support
tools?
There
were
no
comments
received
on
this
from
anybody
other
than
indira's
suggestion
of
a
character
limit
to
keep
that
so
I'd
suggest
laura.
If
there's
no
other
comments,
we
can
move
on
to
another
question.
Oh.
F
F
C
No,
I
think,
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
get
at
is
the
tools
and
support
right.
So
I
I
I
don't
know
that
times
are
it's.
It
certainly
open
to
interpretation
when
we're
asking
what
barriers
do
you
encounter,
but
I
think
the
coupling
with
what
tools
and
supports
would
assist
is
going
to
narrow
that
a
bit.
A
No,
I
think
that
one's
good
I've
eliminated
those
time
frames
because,
yes,
it
did
seem
a
bit
wordy
question
seven.
There
was
a
question
I
think,
from
both
indira
and
perhaps
jordan
in
his
letter
about
relevance
on
this,
and
I
think
we
understand
that
edi
is
important,
but
I
think
it's
the
question.
Actually
you
know
what
I
won't
put
words
in
people's
mouths
miles.
I
will
let
indira
speak
to
this.
Perhaps
if
she
wants
to
because
she'd
raise
the
relevance
question.
C
Yeah-
and
so
it
goes
back
to
my
opening
comment-
that
we
want
to
be
really
disciplined
in
gathering
because
there's
lots
of
information,
that's
interesting
to
gather.
But
if
it's
not
informing
the
question
about
remuneration
and
workload
and
support,
then
I
I
don't
think
that
it's
appropriate
actually
for
us
to
be
asking
the
question,
because
it
would
connote
that
it
it
does.
So
I'm
not
seeing
the
nexus
of
connection
but
others
again.
I
wasn't
there
last
week
here
last
time
for
the
conversation,
so
others
may
feel
differently.
F
B
A
And
no
no
worries
and
for
everybody's
benefit.
Edi
is
something
that's
moving
forward,
quite
a
bit
with
the
city
with
it
as
a
separate
advisory
committee,
so
this
will
be
dealt
with,
but
I
agree
with
comments.
It
may
not
be
relevant
to
the
end
goal
so
with
the
next
question,
which
is
eight
in
your
agenda
package,
this
is
mostly
looking
at
tools
used
for
communicating,
as
well
as,
if
there's
any
type
of
training
or
technology
work.
A
B
C
Phone,
so
I
think
that
I
had
suggested
the
wording.
What
what
current
modalities
do
you
use
to
communicate
with
the
public
or,
on
behalf
of
you
know
your
role
or
in
the
context
of
your
role,
perhaps,
and
then
what
additional
modalities
when
they
would
enable
you
to
be
more
efficient
in
your
role
and
then
so
so
you'd?
I
was
thinking
about
video
conferencing
eg,
you
know
zoom
and
I'm
sure
that
I'm
not
well.
I
guess
the
city
is
using
zoom
as
your
enterprise
solution.
C
C
B
A
Just
like
clarification
here
as
well,
because
we're
talking
about
technology
communicating
with
the
public,
would
we
also
want
to
include
the
broad
definition
of
social
media
since
that's
something
that
is
widely
used,
and
I
know
in
discussions,
I've
had
with
counselors
who've
been
mentioned,
that
that
could
be
something
an
administrative
assistant
could
provide,
is
whether
it's
monitoring
and
providing
responses
or
triage.
So
would
people
be
okay?
A
C
B
G
Just
made
me
think:
there's
no
question
on
here
about
social
media
training,
anything
along
those
lines,
so
if
you
are
allowed
to
use
it
is
that,
is
that
a
question
to
ask?
Because
I
mean
that's:
yes,
they're
elected
officials,
so
there's
some.
I
would
think
some
idea
of
how
to
do
it.
But
you
know
it
is
kind
of
an
ongoing
issue
in
terms
of
understanding
the
use
of
social
media
and
some
training
with
respect
to
not
just
social
but
other
media
training.
A
E
Go
ahead,
so
I
wanted
to
confirm
that
the
the
city
of
kingston
doesn't
have
a
social
media
policy
for
elected
officials
outside
of
during
a
council
election
during
an
election
period,
because
if
a
counselor
is
using
city-issued
technology,
they're
not
supposed
to
be
using
natural
election
purposes,
but
that's
the
extent
of
the
policy
we
have
in
terms
of
social
media
is
just
you
know.
You
shouldn't
be
using
your
city-issued
cell
phone
to
manage
your
election
twitter
feed
right.
B
B
E
I
didn't
mean
it-
I
was
just
gonna
say
yeah
there
is
that
is
included
as
part
of
sort
of
the
the
onboarding
at
the
outset
of
a
new
council
term,
and
I,
I
believe
our
communications
and
customer
experience
team
you
know-
could
sort
of
provide
additional
one-on-one
support
on
a
on
an
ad
hoc
basis.
At
this
time,.
A
To
summarize
the
discussion
we're
looking
at
breaking
two
questions
in
regarding
modalities
that
are
used
as
well
as
modalities.
That
would
be
helpful
and
to
heather's
point
as
part
of
the
question
before
we
broke
it
out.
There
was
a
question
about
what
training
would
be
considered
useful,
which
I
think
is
relevant
to
the
administrative
support
discussion.
A
So
perhaps
we
can
make
those
three
short
separate,
like
selection
type
questions
and
as
somebody
who
works
for
council,
I'm
personally
interested
in
finding
out
what
they
would
like
training
on,
because
I
have
a
sense
of
what
could
be
used.
But
what
is
desired
just
for
selfish
purposes
would
be
helpful
to
myself
and
janet.
B
A
We
are
into
the
last
two
questions
for
the
written
survey.
Number
nine
was
about
if
people
are
currently
employed
elsewhere,
asking
them
what
accommodations
and
considerations
are
required
of
them.
With
regards
to
the
role-
and
I
think
indira
had
some
questions
about
this
in
her
email,
so
perhaps
we
can
let
her
speak
to
that.
F
F
I
was
positioning
as
what
kind
of
accommodations
consideration
has
your
employer,
not
the
city
of
kingston,
but
your
employer
made
for
you
in
order
to
in
order
for
you
to
be
a
counselor
and
and
mayor
like
or
perform
your
duties.
So
this
is
basically
what
is
your?
What's
your
boss
done
or
how's
your
boss,
helped
you
do
your
job
as
a
city,
counselor
or
mayor.
That
was
how
I
that's
what
I
brought
up.
F
I'm
very
curious
on
that
because,
as
laura
said
at
the
last
meeting
I
mean
she
went
from
what
three
days
a
week
to
you
know
or
sorry,
five
days
a
week
to
three
and
a
half
days
a
week
to
not
working
at
all
right
so
outside
of
the
of
your
council
duties.
So
I
think
that
is
that's
the
perspective
that
I
wanted
to
know
what
their
employers
were
doing
to
help
them
achieve
what
they
needed
to
do
as
a
counselor.
G
G
G
D
Just
to
build
on
that
a
bit
too
in
the
sense
of
trying
to
gather
additional
data,
I
would
almost
lead
into
that
and
ask
about:
are
they
currently
full-time
employee
elsewhere
or
are
they
is
it
part-time?
Where
are
they
retired
so
get
that
data?
Coming
back
to
us
that
we
can
say
again
looking
back
at
this
four
years
from
now,
you
can
say
you
know,
of
the
12
counselors.
C
C
You
know
prepare
for
my
time
or
lets
me
use
my
secretarial
support
to
book
my
related
meetings,
but
I
I
think,
just
as
a
general
question,
it's
a
bit
too
broad
and
it
may
it
just
again.
I
I'm
conscious
of
the
if
we're
asking
a
question,
we're
creating
the
impression
that
it's
relevant
and
it's
it's.
I
think
it.
The
question
on
the
face
is
a
bit
more
about
what
in-kind
support
are
other
employers
in
in
the
community
or
beyond,
providing
to
enable
the
function
of
our
council
so.
E
E
Yes,
no
and
then,
if
yes
answer
the
you
know,
rather
than
having
it
a
two-parter
question
just
to
sort
of
make
it
sometimes
I
find
when
when
people
are
answering
survey,
questions
they
answer
the
question.
The
second
part
of
the
question,
but
you're
not
really
sure
about
the
answer
to
the
first
part
of
the
question.
So
if
you
know
if
or
if
somebody
doesn't
answer
the
question,
it's
time
I
go,
did
you
forget
to
answer
the
questions?
C
Thanks
janet
and
I
think
that
that
that
really
drives
home
the
point
around,
what's
the
relevance
and
if
I'm
a
counselor
answering
that
question,
then
I'm
thinking
so
you're
asking
me
if
I'm
employed
elsewhere
and
on
what
basis
full-time
part-time.
Does
that
mean
if
I'm
employed,
you
know
it's
gonna,
it's
going
to
moderate
the
level
of
compensation
that
we're
considering.
So
again,
I
would
say
how
do
we
think
this
informs
the.
B
G
Yeah
I'll
just
play
devil's
advocate
to
that
a
little
bit
there
is
this
piece
too,
you
know,
don't
ask
a
question.
You
don't
really
want
the
answer
to,
and
I
guess
the
one
thing
on
this,
though
that
is
a
public
question
will
be
to
are
people
devoting
a
certain
amount
of
time
because
they
can
so
it
is
relevant
in
the
sense
that
if
you
are
going
to
be
critical
about
this,
you
know
if
I'm
working
full-time
and
I'm
still
devoting
70
hours.
G
It's
revealing,
then,
in
terms
again
when
I
said
about
the
responsibility
of
the
demands
of
the
job,
regardless
of
your
position,
but
if
we
don't
know
that
there's
a
piece
here
to
say:
well,
you
know
these
are
all
part-timers
or
they're
retired
people
aren't
holding
full-time
jobs,
so
they're
devoting
the
amount
of
time
that
they're
able
to,
and
it
really
does
go
to.
What
do
you
want
to
know?
G
I
mean
I,
I
think
we
want
to
be
careful
too,
of
not
making
assumptions,
and
if
we
don't
ask
the
question
it
does
leave
it
open
to
some
interpretation
there.
Frankly,
you
know
as
a
it's
that
kind
of
piece
too,
and
I
think
about
the
cr,
how
the
public
might
perceive
it.
That
would
be
one
of
the
things
I
think
people
would
ask.
Well
what
are
we
paying
for.
B
F
F
You
know
if
we're,
if
we're
looking
at
somebody
who's
working
full-time,
not
that
we're
gonna
put
it
down
to
like
one
counselor,
but
you
know
if
the
majority
of
counselors
are
working
full-time
and
then
stating
in
this
that
they're
working
30
to
60
hours
or
what
have
you
on
council?
It's
like,
that's,
not
healthy,
so
you
know
I
I
I'm
curious
as
to
to
know
that
you
know
to
know
that
information
so
and
does
it.
B
C
Think
I
think
I
think
the
workload,
though,
is
the
workload,
so
I
think
what
this
gets
a
bit
at
is
based
on
the
workload.
So
I
think
it
answers
a
different
question.
A
different
important
question
in
terms
of
the
management
of
the
city
administration
is:
are
we
able
to
attract
a
diverse
representation
from
our
community
given
the
workload?
C
So
I
think
that
that
analysis
is
important,
but
I
again
I
I
don't
know
that
it
informs
so
if
we're
saying
well,
the
majority
of
our
counselors
do
work
in
a
paid
position,
30
hours
a
week
and
then
they're
reporting
that
they're
also
working
an
additional
70
hours
a
week.
Does
that
change
what
we're
going
to
propose
in
terms
of
remuneration?
C
B
I'm
going
to
play
devil's
advocate
with
you
as
well
being
a
city
councillor.
There
are
there's
a
couple
city
councilors
that
have
been
on
council
for
a
long
time
and
they
are
working
full-time
jobs,
but
because
of
their
experience
and
because
they've
been
there
a
long
time
and
just
they
don't
need
require
sleep
and
somehow
they
have
figured
out
the
magic
sauce
to
be
able
to
do
both
and
they're
very
fortunate
people
and
they're
great
counselors,
and
I
highly
respect
them.
B
But
for
a
new
counselor.
I
think
it's
very
difficult
to
get
up
to
speed
quickly
and
to
serve
as
a
term
in
a
term
and
and
do
the
whole
thing.
So
I
think
I
think
it's
a
good
question
to
ask
and
to
know
the
information,
because
I
think
it's
if
let's
say
you
are
to
increase
the
salaries.
I
think
you've
got
to
have
a
public
relations
campaign
to
inform
the
public
of
why
and
and
how
to
attract
new
counselors
and
how
to
give
that
information
out
like
who.
B
Who
are
these
people
that
are
going
to
run
for
council
and
what
is
involved
in
this
job
and
how
many
hours
are
you
expected
or
how
many
hours
do
other
counselor
put
in
per
month
or
per
week
or
per
whatever?
So
I
think
it's
a
valuable
question
and
I
think
it
should
be
asked
and
that's
my
opinion,
but
it's
up
to
the
committee
to
decide
that,
but
I'm
just
giving
you
my
insight.
F
H
C
So
I'm
going
to
be
devil's
advocate
back,
so
if
you,
if
you
then
have
responses
and
one
person's
retired
one
person
works,
full-time
one
person,
self-employed
and
one
person
works
part-time.
Then
how
does
that
inform
the
question
of
remuneration?
Again,
I
think
it's
really
important
information
and
I
can
let
this
go
because
clearly
there's
the
majority
are
interested
in
adding
this
to
the
survey.
I
just
think
about
the
back
end
and
when
we
get
the
responses,
the
question
that
we
have
to
then
deliberate
is
so.
How
is
this
relevant.
G
G
You
know
so
I
think
doing
this
if
it
turns
out
that
the
workload
is
the
workload
and
it
makes
no
difference
what
people's
capacity
is
in
terms
of
their
employment
status,
then
that
actually
helps
with
it's
a
crazy
workload,
and
you
can
say
that,
and
you
know,
the
numbers
are
pretty
well
played
out
across
the
board,
regardless
of
what
the
employment
situation
is.
But
if
you
don't
ask
it,
I
think
that's
where
you'll
have
trouble.
A
Attempt
to
summarize
the
discussion,
I
think
we're
looking
at
a
two-part
question.
One
asking
do
you
have
if
you
have
additional
employment
outside
of
role
of
council
member
select,
it
could
be
full-time
part-time
and
then
asking
if
they
do
select
that
they
are
employed.
Asking
about
what
kind
of
flexibility
has
your
employer
made
to
allow
you
to
perform
your
duties,
eliminating
the
words,
accommodations
and
considerations
which
have
different
connotations.
So
that's
my
sense
of
the
discussion
and
I
think
I'm
seeing
nodding
heads
laura
so.
F
A
C
F
Have
no
problem
removing
that
too,
but
I'm
gonna
just
throw
a
little
wrench
in
here
of
the
draft
interview
panel
questions,
I
would
really
recommend
in
the
the
survey
questions
that
we
move
the
question
about
covid.
How
has
it
changed
the
role
of
mayor
council
member?
Do
you
feel
the
pandemic
will
cause
permanent
change?
The
role
of
mayor
council
I'd
like
to
move
that
up
as
a
survey
question,
because
we've
gotten
rid
of
a
few
survey
questions,
and
that
would
also
reduce
the
number
of
panel
questions
that.
B
A
Lost,
but
I
do
have
lindsay's
comments
noted
about
that,
so
the
first
three
questions
in
the
the
interview
panel
about
top
five
priorities
and
duties,
administrative
support
would
be
useful
and
a
question
about
meeting
space
in
the
constituency
are
all
there.
There
were
no
comments
on
that.
If
people
had
a
chance
to
read
counselor
kylie's
letter
that
was
sent
in
the
addendum,
the
the
comment
about
meeting
space
seems
particularly
relevant
vis-a-vis
administrative
support
so
maybe
see.
C
A
Okay,
we'll
move
just
confirming
we'll
move
number
three
into
the
written
survey,
not
quite
at
the
covid
question.
Yet
I
realize
so
question
four
is
about
sort
of
envisioning
kingston
in
the
next
four
years
and
how
it
affects
the
role
of
council.
There
were
some
questions
about
our
favorite
topic:
relevance
to
the
mandate,
which
I
appreciate
as
the
clerk,
so
we'll
perhaps
open
the
floor
to
that
one.
C
So
again,
I
I
think
that
this
is
helpful
information
from
an
administration
perspective.
Just
generally,
particularly,
you
know
as
forecasting,
and
I
think
I
think,
there's
the
potential
it
could
be
useful
here
if
it
was
specific
around
workloads.
So
I
think
that
that's
a
piece
of
what
we're
trying
to
assess
here
is
what's
fair,
given
the
demands
of
the
role,
so
it
might
be
more
relevant
if
we
were
to
focus
it
a
bit
into
workload
and
ask
them
to
maybe
narrow
it
and
derek.
C
C
A
So
if
I
may
suggest
a
way
we
can
modify
that
is
making
it
a
one
question
of:
where
do
you
see
the
kingston
community
and
how
do
you
see
it
affecting
the
workload
of
mayor
and
council
instead
of
a
more
ambiguous
term
as
role
to
endears
point,
making
it
specific
viewing
workload?
And
then
that
gives
you
that
remuneration
aspect.
B
A
F
Yeah
no,
I
just
I
like
that
question
and
I
think
it's
it's
if
they
have
a
little
bit
of
time
to
answer
it
in
the
survey
itself.
I
think
that
they'll,
I
think
it
should
be
used
as
that,
because
we're
just
gathering
information
anyway.
I
just
think
it
should
be
part
of
the
survey,
as
opposed
to
a
panel
question.
G
I
think
that
question
actually
ties
to
the
previous
one,
because
if
I
were
answering
that
one
I
would,
I
would
talk
about
one
of
the
challenges
that's
coming
out
right
or,
if
we're
still
in
it,
whatever
it
is.
That's
going
to
be
a
significant
issue
in
terms
of
workload
is
how
that's
managed
and
the
pressures
that
would
put
on.
F
G
So
I
don't
disagree,
maybe
it's
somewhat
redundant
here.
I
guess
is
it
you
know
because
people
might
say
it.
I
think
you
could
still
put
it
up
in
the
survey,
but
just
note
that
when
you
get
into
this
the
question
that
we
just
went
through,
you
might
get
a
little
more
about
coping,
because
I
would
I
always
expect
that
people
will
speak
about
that
as
one
of
the
challenges
right
moving
forward
and
work
and
some
of
the
workload
issues
that
might.
F
F
But
if
we're
going
to
leave,
if,
if
that's
seen
as
redundant,
then
at
least
include
the
word
covet
in
question
number
four,
because
I
think
that
just
needs
to
spark
something
in
that.
But
you
know
what
I'm
going
to
say
it
like
this
is
I'd
like
to
know.
You
know
I
look
at
covid
specific
and
the
fact
that
you
know
all
the
meetings
have
gone
zoom
or
most
the
meetings
have
gone
zoom,
so
everybody's
still
getting
a
car
allowance.
Everybody's
still
getting
you
know
all
the
stuff
and
they're
not
meeting
in
public
they're.
F
B
F
Or
better
to
stay
on
zoom
for
specific
committee
meetings
and
all
that,
and
what
does
that
entail?
So
I
think
covet
it
and
the
whole
pandemic
thing
needs
to
be
a
separate
entity,
as
opposed
to
forecasts
of
you
know:
population,
growth
and
and
housing
and
homelessness.
That's
four
years.
You
know
looking
at
that,
so
I
think
they
need
to
be
separate
in
my
head.
G
I
I
was
suggesting
I
think,
that
you're
right
that
five
would
move.
So
is
the
idea
five
would
move
up
to
the
survey,
but
four
would
stay,
and
just
all
I'm
saying
is,
I
think,
when
people
answer
for
they
probably
will
also
bring
in
covet.
So
you'll
get
a
little
more
explanation,
but
I
actually
like
your
idea
of
not
putting
it
there
because
I
think
either
they're
going
to
see
it
as
something
to
respond
to
and
say
more
about
it
or
they
might
not.
G
C
A
She's
stepped
out
for
a
moment,
so
I'll
just
confirm
that
we'll
keep
question
number
four
in
its
modified
state
in
the
panel
questions,
question
five
will
move
into
the
survey
okay
and
then
this
takes
us.
We
are
into
our
last
two
questions.
Question
six.
There
were
no
specific
comments
about
this.
I
believe
this
was
a
question
proposed
by
jordan
at
the
last
meeting
and
the
the
purpose
was
just
to
probe
sort
of
the.
A
A
F
And
also
support
like
what
support
do
individual
counselors
have
when
the
trolling
or
abuse
online
or
or
what
have
you
you
know
where
do
they
turn?
So
I
think
that
that
part
of
it,
so
if
you
say,
affected
your
ability
to
perform
essential
duties
of
the
role
and
do
you
feel
you
have
a
support
or
do
you
feel
you
have
those
there
are
supports
in
place
to
help.
A
B
G
Ahead,
heather.
Well,
the
problem
for
me
was
seven.
Is
that's
just
a
yes,
no
question.
So
if
I,
if
we
were
gonna,
ask
that
that
actually
could
go
in
the
survey,
because
it's
kind
of
interesting
I
think
just
as
a
yes
or
no,
you
know
if
it's
there,
but
I
think
then
the
other
one
I
would,
I
would
actually
add
to
six
and
say
what
supports
have
you
accessed
or
what
supports
have
you
utilized
so
that
you
get
them
because
either
they'll
say
to
that?
G
E
A
B
E
A
A
All
right,
so
I
believe
that
takes
us
through
all
of
the
questions
for
both
the
survey
and
the
panel.
Also,
I
I
believe
this
is
best
practice,
but
I'll
double
check
with
the
experience
in
the
room
is
providing
the
panel
questions
in
advance
to
the
counselors
so
that
they
have
some
time
to
think
about
answers.
There's
no
issues
with
that
correct.
A
B
A
I'll
start,
if
janet
has
anything
to
add,
I
don't
think
we'll
get
into
too
much
discussion
discussion
on
this,
because
we
do
have
a
few
committee
members
who
are
not
present
tonight,
but
to
give
those
in
attendance
some
background
in
2018.
The
final
report
which
I've
provided
maybe
you've
had
a
chance
to
read.
It
was
really
divided
into
three
separate
sections.
A
There
was
a
background
piece
provided
on
sort
of
where
the
committee
came
from.
There
was
a
methodology
piece
in
providing
an
understanding
of
the
work
of
the
committee
and
how
it
came
to
its
conclusions
and,
finally,
the
observations
and
conclusion
sections,
so
I
feel
it
was.
It
was
fairly
well
written
in
that
respect,
and
perhaps
it's
just
a
comment
to
people
to
think
about
what
would
be
a
good
process
for
writing
this
in
the
future.
A
Perhaps
people
here
have
experience
on
doing
these
type
of
reports
in
the
past,
but
traditionally
the
chair
has
presented
the
report
at
a
council
meeting
and
answered
questions
so
not
to
put
any
pressure
on
laura,
but
that
was
just
the
past
history,
so
maybe
it
is
just.
This
is
a
prompt
for
people
to
think
about
that,
and
we
can
have
a
more
perhaps
fulsome
discussion
on
the
the
20th
about
how
the
report
writing
process
will
go.
E
Go
ahead,
yes,
the
the
report
was
authored
by
the
the
chair.
You
know
with
feedback
from
the
from
the
committee
members,
it
wasn't
written
in
isolation
and
and
then
the
chair
did
attend
the
council
meeting
to
sort
of
give
a
an
overview
of
the
the
committee's
work
sort
of
a
verbal
presentation
of
what
was
contained
in
the
report
and
then
answered
questions
from
from
council
and,
and
certainly
you
know,.
G
E
E
A
E
They
had
a
certain
level
of
comfort
by
the
second
goal
round
but,
like
I
said,
there's
not
a
requirement
that
that
it'd
be
the
chair.
So
if
you
know
if,
if
somebody
does
feel
another
member
feels
that
you
know
it's
a
challenge
that
they
want
to
to
take
on,
you
know
it's.
It's
definitely
a
a
decision
of
the
of
the
committee
as
to
who
they
feel
would
be.
E
You
know
most
comfortable
or
the
best
to
to
start
the
process
and
who
might
be
the
person
who
would
feel
most
comfortable
coming
and
answering
questions
of
counsel.
There's,
there's
no
pressure
on
you,
laura
there's
positional
pressure
on
anybody
to
take.
Take
it
away
from
what's
been
in
the
past
practice,
either
it's
completely
what
this
committee
feels
is
best
for
them.
Perfect.
B
A
B
F
Am
I
allowed
to
ask
a
question,
though,
I'm
just
putting
it
out
there
for
consideration
as
part
of
this
original
agenda?
There
was
a
letter.
Sorry,
I'm
scrolling
there
we
go
from
phil
godro
and
it
was
a
good
letter
and
you
know
sort
of
a
a
theme
like
robert
kylie's
but
robert's.
Of
course,
a
counselor
so
like
is
that
there's
no
word
out
to
the
public
on
what
their
thoughts
are
right
like
this,
like
would
phil
just
know
this
that
this
is
happening
at
this
time.
F
E
Janet
go
ahead
so
this
this
group
here
and
I
don't
want
to
get
too
involved
in
too
much
discussion
here
because,
as
derek
has
mentioned,
we
have
lost
form.
Yes,
this
committee
is
the
committee.
Once
this
committee
makes
its
recommendations,
the
report
will
go
directly
to
council.
This
committee,
just
like
with
all
of
our
other
advisory
committees,
is
open
to
the
public.
It's
advertised
on
the
city
calendar
it's
advertised
as
part
of
our
regular
communications
to
let
the
let
the
community
know
what
meetings
are
are
coming
up.
E
The
agendas
are
put
on
the
on
the
website
in
advance.
So
I
you
know,
I
can't
speak
to
what
incentivize
the
resident
to
write
the
letter.
You
know
perhaps
they're
just
an
active
follower
of
counseling
and
committee
business,
but
both
in
terms
of
that
individual's
letter
and
counselor
kylie's
letter.
The
consideration
of
full-time
versus
part-time
counselors
is
not
within
this
committee's
mandate.
So
it's
not
something
we'll
be
discussing
as
part
of
the
business.
E
B
E
In
2018
in
2018
sorry
late
2017,
there
was
a
motion
from
council
that
directed
the
2017
iteration
of
this
committee
to
review
and
have
consideration
for
whether
counselors
should
continue
as
part-time
counselors
or
full-time
counselors,
and
it
was
the
determination
of
the
last
iteration
of
this
committee
that
counselors
should
remain
as
part-time.
It
is
not
part
of
our
mandate
to
review
that
again.
This
time,
council
has
not
given
this
committee
that
direction
so,
while
that
you
know
with
all
due
respect
to
counselor
kylie
well,
that
may
be
his
feeling.