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EITP Committee meeting from November 14, 2017. For the full meeting agenda visit https://goo.gl/9f4j5A
A
Anyway,
we
need
to
approve
the
agenda.
You'll
see
it's
in
your
package.
I
need
a
mover
and
a
seconder
move,
I
counsel,
Rochelle
seconded
by
Councillor
Holland.
So
are
there
any
proposed
changes
to
the
agenda,
seeing
none?
We
will
vote
on
the
agenda
as
printed
all
those
in
favor
opposed
that
carries
the
minutes
from
our
last
meeting,
which
is
just
mentioned.
It
was
in
June
I
had
a
chance
to
have
a
look
at
them.
A
Seeing
none
excuse
me.
We
will
vote
on
the
minutes,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that
carries
Disclosure
a
pecuniary
interest.
Seeing
none
here
comes
another
committee
member
okay.
Well,
then,
we're
up
to
our
first
item,
which
is
a
delegation
for
mr.
Doug
Struthers
friend
of
mine
and
the
chair
of
the
Rideau
corridor,
our
landscape
strategy
committee,
which
is
a
regional
committee
that
Kingston
has,
is
part
of
and
I'm.
Actually,
your
representative,
your
council
representative
on
that
committee
he
recently
presided
over
an
award
ceremony,
is
going
to
tell
us
all
about
it.
B
Thanks
very
much
mr.
chair,
yes,
indeed,
I
am
Doug,
Struthers
and
I
do
share
the
steering
committee
Fiorito
corridor
landscape
strategy.
The
steering
committee
is
made
up
of
representatives
from
the
13
municipalities
on
the
Rideau
corridor,
the
three
counties,
the
two
conservation
authorities,
the
National
Capital
Commission,
the
provincial
government,
the
federal
government
through
Parks
Canada
and
the
First
Nations.
B
B
If
there
was
a
UNESCO
recommendation,
I'll
read
it
quickly
that
the
that,
following
the
completion
of
a
study
of
the
visual
setting
of
the
Rideau
Canal,
consideration,
is
given
to
strengthening
its
visual
protection
outside
the
buffer
zone
in
order
to
ensure
the
visual
values
of
the
setting
are
protected
alongside
environmental
values,
who's
going
to
help
work
with
that.
So
in
2008
there
was
a
meeting
to
discuss
the
2008
2009
and
the
steering
committee
was
formed
in
2010
to
be
inclusive.
So
there's
representation
up
and
down
the
the
corridor
and
senior
levels
of
of
government
I.
B
Think
it's
worth
this
year.
Putting
in
some
perspective,
the
history
and
the
value
of
the
Rideau
Canal
is
what
would
that
back
to
the
building
of
it,
although
the
building
of
it
is
significant,
if
you
would
call
after
the
war
of
1812,
there
was
concern
what
if
the
Americans
came
back
again
aggressively
our
military
supply
route
of
the
day
was
the
st.
Lawrence
and
and
the
art
of
the
Great
Lakes.
So
the
Rideau
Canal
was
built
to
have
that
more
secure
military
supply
route
over
the
course
of
time.
Obviously
it
became
a
commercial
use,
etc.
B
But
here
you
know
here
we
are
2017
our
sesquicentennial
we're
celebrating
150th
anniversary
of
the
founding
of
Canada.
But
can
you
imagine
you
know
think
back,
you
know
1860s.
You
know
66
67
if
we
did
form
a
government
after
there.
Sorry,
if
we
didn't
form
a
country
could
indeed
be
through
leech
North,
strong
and
free
well
with
the
Rideau
Canal
there
there
was
that
bit
of
security
well
we'd
be
able
to
defend
ourselves.
So
you
know
it's
a
I
would
suggest
a
cornerstone
of
the
foundation
of
our
country.
Yeah.
B
You
know
one
of
we
don't
canal
I
breakfast.
You
know
the
commercial
development
into
into
tourism.
You
know
I'm,
the
former
mayor
of
Muirfield.
Our
branding
logo
is
jewel
of
the
Reta.
Our
corporate
logo
is
have
aqua
Florence
by
the
water
Riefler
--is--
I
would
suggest
to
you
that
you
know
the
real
economic
or
or
all
of
our
communities
are
flourishing.
Indeed,
the
Rideau
heritage
root
Tourism
Association
commissioned
over
the
last
year,
or
so
an
economic
impact
study
not
to
be
confused
with
one
Parks
Canada
did
many
years
ago.
B
That
was
pretty
well
focused
on
the
canal.
This
is
the
from
a
corridor
perspective
to
the
Canadian
economy,
the
inner
part
of
the
corridor,
the
smaller
municipalities
contribute
over
600
I
believe
it's
million
dollars
to
the
Canadian
GDP.
If
you
include
the
City
of
Ottawa
and
the
City
of
Kingston,
that's
five
point:
five
billion
dollars
kind
of
lose
sight
of.
You
know
exactly
what
what
is
this?
We
don't
come
out
doing
to
our
key
for
our
communities.
Yeah.
B
The
answer
is
lot,
so
it
it's
significant,
but
other
attributes
are
from,
will
save
that
more
tourism
perspective.
You
know
significant
part
of
all
of
our
economies,
the
master
of
geographic
society
in
2008
and
a
survey.
The
Rideau
Canal
is
ready
for
the
second
most
authentic
sustainable
destination
in
the
world.
B
Think
about
that
you
know
we
do
so
much.
We
can
celebrate
that
there's
also
so
much
we
can
do
with
our
with
our
canal,
but
it's
also
another
terrific
designation,
that's
World,
Heritage,
Site,
designation
and
I've
referenced
that
a
few
minutes
ago.
So
it's
a
great
value,
but
what
part
of
the
requirement
is
we
need
to
preserve
and
protect
the
qualities
that
warranted
designation
to
begin
with,
and
it's
more
than
the
bricks
and
mortar?
It
is
indeed
that
landscape
and
that's
part
of
what
the
the
steering
committee
has
done
over
the
course
of
years.
B
So
we've
created
what
we
call
the
ten
pillars
of
not
created:
we've
identified
ten
pillars
of
good
development,
shoreline
development,
landscape
development
and
they're
they're
available
to
the
municipalities.
No,
unless
you've
incorporated
in
your
official
plan,
they
are
not.
You
shall
have
regard
for
it,
but
man,
a
man,
wouldn't
you
want
to
take
them
into
consideration,
because
those
development,
principles
and
ideas
came
from
our
communities
through
the
the
steering
committee.
B
So
a
lot
of
great
things
happening,
and
here
we
are
for
the
quarter
of
strategies
perspective
ten
years
with
World,
Heritage,
Site
designation
and
we
thought
well.
Why
not
have
some
recognition?
We
know
we
have
charged
our
planners
group
that
work
force
to
I,
identify
anything
and
everything.
That's
happened
on
the
retail
corridor
in
the
last
ten
years
because
that
can
be
used
as
part
of
the
what's
called
the
periodic
reporting
to
UNESCO
the
world
body.
B
That
not
only
gives
you
a
designation,
but
they
monitor
it
make
sure
you
don't
lose
the
designation,
and
that
can
happen
that
has
happened.
So
that's
something
we
do
do
not
want
to
have
happen,
but
we
thought
well
what
about?
Having
the
community
same
with?
What's
happening,
you
know
what's
special
in
your
community
and
so
we.
B
We
have
five
categories,
I
believe,
and
we
have
many
nominees
and
in
the
categories,
and
then
we
had
a
gala
on
the
Friday
of
the
Thanksgiving
weekend,
which
might
have
been
sixth,
but
nonetheless,
it
was
indeed
a
Friday,
and
we
had
all
the
nominees
attend
environmental
stewardship.
The
nominees
this
slide
deck
is
available
to
any
members.
B
B
And,
of
course
we
congratulated
everybody.
One
of
the
objectives
of
the
corridor
strategy
is
to
raise
awareness,
Louie
dope
canal
corridor
and
promote
new
ways
of
thinking
about
committee,
partly
community
sustainability.
It's
also
telling
the
story
and
part
of
the
story
is
not
just
the
heritage
we
have,
but
how
we
can
work
with
the
heritage
to
be
part
of
our
ongoing
community
today
and
in
the
future
and
I'm
going
to
ask
Peter
to
come
up
and
join
me
for
a
moment,
because
you
may
have
seen
this
when
I
skipped
through
it.
A
Yes,
so
one
of
the
categories
was
the
Heritage
promotion
and
one
of
our
own
local
Kingstonian
x'
won
the
award
she's
here
tonight.
So
we
decided
it
would
be
nice
to
recreate
the
award
ceremony.
She
wasn't
able
to
make
the
award
ceremony
on
October
6th,
so
we've
essentially
deferred
that
section
and
we're
doing
it
here
today
with
Doug
Doug.
A
C
A
So
yes,
please
document
this
with
photos.
So
basically,
if
you,
if
you
get
a
chance
to
get
to
know
dr.
Murray's
work,
I
really
recommend
it.
It's
fascinating
oral
histories
series
of
recordings
of
actual
histories
that
have
been
recorded
and
you
know,
without
going
into
all
the
detail.
Just
you
see
here
on
the
slide,
65
interviews
and
of
course
you
may
have
heard
of
her
swamp
board,
walking
tours
and
things
like
that.
It's
all
sort
of
connected
the
oral
history
of
our
city.
This
is
actual
living
breathing
heritage.
It's
very
genuine
and
authentic,
very
exciting.
D
Steal
the
podium
for
a
second
I
want
to
thank
Vicki
for
nominating
me
and
also
I
want
to
thank
the
City
of
Kingston
actually
who,
through
the
Heritage
Fund,
has
allowed
me
to
hire
both
people
to
help
with
the
interviews
and
also
an
audio
producer.
Who
helps
me.
Do
these
podcasts
that
I'll
just
I
have
a
few
cards
around
to
you
can
listen
to
them
online
there,
one
of
them
the
last
one
is
called.
The
60s
comes
to
Kingston,
that
is
the
1960s,
not
even
the
1860s
and
the
the
beginning
of
that.
D
Podcast
takes
place
in
this
very
room.
It's
about
an
occasion
on
which
the
mayor
cleared
the
chambers,
because
there
were
rent
control
activists
at
large
and
he
couldn't
shut
them
up.
So
he
called
the
cops.
So
that's
that's
the
last
episode,
but
the
others
one
of
them
is
about
the
Inner
Harbor,
so
focusing
more
on
the
Rideau
corridor
area
and
talks
about
the
transition
of
a
marsh
to
adopt
to
a
golf
course,
for
example,
and
more
generally,
it
is
about
the
area
of
the
city,
that's
near
the
river,
so
I'm
really.
B
Did
as
I
ought
to
wrap
up
did
make
reference
earlier
to
the
reader
heritage
route,
tourism,
association,
tourism,
economic
impact
and
product
feasibility
study
and
I'll
make
that
available
electronically
to
your
chair
and
he
can
share
with
community
members
as
appropriate.
I
think
that's
very
interesting.
We've
had
some
significant
recommendations
came
out
of
that.
So
in.
B
In
conclusion,
I
just
like
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
come
here
this
evening
and
and
should
to
weave
it
more
light
on
the
the
corridor
strategy,
but
more
particularly
to
personally
on
behalf
of
the
retail
corridor
landscape
strategy,
steering
committee,
thank
you
to
the
City
of
Kingston
and
for
your
representative
with
Peter,
who
is
our
Vice
Chair
as
well
for
their
ongoing
interesting
contribution
to
to
the
corridor
strategy,
but
specifically
for
the
Riedl
recognition
awards,
program
and
ceremony.
Thank
you
for
your
financial
contribution
from
the
city
of
kingston.
B
A
Thank
you,
mayor
Struthers,
so
I
guess
that
was
the
delegation.
You'll
see
he
went
over
the
normal
a
lot
of
time,
but
there
aren't
any
other
delegations
today
and
also
he
could
have
come
as
a
briefing,
because
this
is
a
committee
that
has
a
council
representative.
So
we
could
have
used
that
sloth
thanks
a
lot
Doug
now
before
we
go
on
to
the
next
item.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
about
the
Reno
corridor
committee
or
the
awards
ceremony
process
or
anything
that
was
in
the
delegation?
Yes,
Kel's.
Our
show.
E
B
No
formally
representative
here
it's
it's
the
world
body
under
UNESCO
and
I'll.
Forget
they
probably
the
specific
committee
but
they're
the
group
that
is
part
of
the
well
as
an
example,
so
2006
or
5
I
believe
Canada
Santee
and
our
our
application.
If
he
well,
it
was
a
huge
monstrous
that
wait,
apparently
wait,
40
pounds
all
the
paperwork
and
so
on,
and
there
was
a
in
2000
a
sexy
gentleman
actually
from
from
UNESCO
Michelle
caught
the
application
warranted.
B
An
on-site
visit
and
I
was
I,
was
part
of
the
group
that
met
with
him,
I,
think
more
or
less
between.
What's
a
Kemp
fell
into
in
Smith's
Falls,
and
he
wanted
he
wanted
to
know
more
about
the
bricks
and
mortar
he
wanted
to
know
about
the
landscape.
You
know
I
mentioned
something.
You
know
bit
of
an
off-the-cuff
comment
about.
You
know
in
the
rural
area,
I
think
all
nutrient
management,
you
know,
source
water
protection
and
it
was
like
it
well
back
here.
You
don't
want
to
hear
about
that.
B
How
does
that
fit
into
the
quality
of
the
site?
We
received
World
Heritage,
Site
designation,
but
there
is
that
periodic
reporting
that
a
country
in
this
case
Canada
must
do
and
I
think
the
cycle
is
2018-2019
that
we
have
to
not
just
say:
oh
yeah,
we're
looking
after
things
there
there
needs
to
be.
You
know
some
some
data
behind
it
and
so
on
in
the
reporting.
B
What
we
are
doing,
what
know
so
much
what's
been
happening,
that
is
part
of
it,
but
what
we're
doing
to
to
ensure
that
we
can
make
that
we
are
and
we
will
be
able
to
continue
maintaining
the
qualities
that
warranted
the
World
Heritage
Site
education.
They
know
the
easy
pieces
in
the
last
few
years:
the
federal
government,
the
previous
you
know,
the
Harper
government.
Now
the
the
Trudeau
government
has
committed
millions
of
millions
dollars
to
maintain
the
critical
infrastructure.
B
You
know
think
of
the
Puna
Mele
Damus
as
an
example,
but
with
the
corridor
strategy
you
know
getting
it
out
to
our
communities.
You
know
we
understand
the
sometimes
it's
the
rules
of
engagement.
If
you
will
for
development,
it's
also.
You
know
the
rules
of
understanding
of
what
we
want
and
what
you
want.
B
So
when
I'm
coming
here,
you
know
whether
I'm
building
a
house
in
your
neighborhood-
you
know
you,
can
you
know,
what's
the
color
of
the
garage
door,
that
that's
one
thing,
but
it
you
know
it's
like
that
shoreline
and
and
what
what
is
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
enhance
it,
but
perhaps
we
hope
it
does
not
impinge
upon
that
landscape,
yeah
and
your
community
means
something,
but
also
from
the
retail
quarters.
Last
week,
strategy
was
more
specifically
the
designation.
Is
it
impinging
upon?
Is
it
you
know?
E
B
B
What
was
his
title.
You
know
the
commander
in
chief
of
the
Rideau
Canal
superintendent
of
the
Rideau
Canal
Doug
Stewart
was
his
idea
to
apply
for
a
rural
heritage
site
designation,
Parks
Canada
put
the
application
together.
They
delivered
it
and
then
you
know
the
federal
government
receives
that
the
designation,
but
it
would
be
through
Parks,
Canada,
I'm,
99%
sure
yeah.
B
On
that
note
again,
I
should
say
that
perks
Canada's
been
been
tremendous
in
providing
tourists.
Hearing
community.
Ladies
Oh
name
is
Susan
Miller
who's,
a
planner
with
Parks
Canada
various
suit.
Lady
understands
not
just
you
know
the
the
canal
value
and
so
on,
but
very
supportive
in
the
last
ever
more
than
the
last
few
years
of
working
with
the
steering
committee
and
moving
forward.
A
Yeah
and
I
just
add
that
yeah,
so
the
the
meetings
that
Doug
chairs
have
Parks
Canada,
not
only
miss
Millar
but
also
another
representative
from
Parks
Canada
that
attend
all
the
meetings
but
I'm
wondering
if
maybe
because
the
canal
was
a
waterway
and
a
means
of
transportation.
Originally,
if
it
was
like,
is
it
designated
a
national
park
as
well
or
is
it
just
administered
by
Parks
Canada,
because
someone
has
to
administer.
B
It
we
don't
part
of
the
Rideau
Canal
is
within
the
footprint
of
a
UNESCO
by
our
biosphere,
so
you
may
have
heard
of
the
Frontenac
our
biosphere,
it's
part
of
that,
but
not
the
whole
canal
system.
You
know
there
are
a
number
of
attributes.
You
know
that
the
the
Rideau
River
is
a
Canadian
Heritage
River,
but
in
terms
of
that
park
aspect
it's
is
part
of
a
UNESCO,
whether
they
just
say
you,
heritage
biosphere,
but
not
the
whole
can
at
the
canal
it
it's
not
because
of
the
canal.
The
canal
is
part
of
that
biosphere.
A
A
So
I
was
wondering
as
chair.
If
we
might
have
an
even
number
of
committee
members
in
case
there
was
a
tie,
but
it
turn
that's
not
going
to
happen
so
we're
about
to
decide
right
now.
If
we
have
the
two
options
there
right,
you
see
the
recommendation,
it's
essentially
status
quo
would
be
monthly
meetings
unless
they
get
cancelled
or
the
other
option
is
the
recommendation
which
is
meet
every
two
months
and
have
additional
meetings
at
the
call
of
the
chair.
F
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
as
as
members
of
the
committee,
will
likely
recall
in
September
of
2015.
There
was
a
review
of
committees
report
that
was
provided
that
recommended
efficiencies
both
in
terms
of
the
time
and
the
cost
that
could
be
achieved
for
counselors
and
staff.
If,
if
certain
standing
committees,
let
met
less
frequently
you'll
see
a
table
on
your
report
pages
3,
&
4.
F
That
demonstrates
that
over
the
time
period
that
was
reviewed,
there
were
for
this
committee,
21
meetings
scheduled,
but
only
13
were
actually
held,
and
that
was
either
largely
due
to
lack
of
business
items
or
occasionally
a
lack
of
form
of
members
of
the
meetings
that
were
held.
The
average
meeting
time
was
just
under
two
hours,
beginning
in
January
2016.
F
The
administer
of
policies
committee
began
a
pilot
bimonthly
meeting
scheduled
and
they
elected
at
their
last
meeting
to
to
continue
on
with
that
bimonthly
meeting,
scheduled
with
the
option
for
additional
meetings
at
the
call
of
the
chair
and
in
October,
the
arts,
recreation
and
community
policies.
Committee
also
elected
to
begin
a
bimonthly
meeting,
scheduled
in
2018
again
with
the
option
for
additional
meetings.
F
A
You
so
there's
a
there
was
the
recommendation
there
before
we
get
to
it.
Are
there
any
questions
from
members
of
the
committee
to
staff,
and
this
is
questions
only
if
you,
if
you
start
making
statements,
I,
will
cut
you
off
questions
only
okay,
seeing
none.
We
must
we'll
just
get
right
to
the
debate,
the
pros
and
cons
so
who
wants
to
move
this
to
get
it
on
the
floor,
moved
by
Councillor
Schell
seconded
by
Councillor
cannon.
But
does
anyone
wish
to
comment.
A
Okay,
well
I
I'm,
gonna
start
the
ball
rolling,
maybe
there's
not
much
debate.
Maybe
we
should
just
vote
but
I'm
just
going
to
say
that
basically,
it's
like
six
and
one
half
a
dozen
of
the
other
either
we
continue
to
have
monthly
meetings,
which
is
on
paper
twelve
twelve
per
year
and
some
get
cancelled
by
either
lack
of
quorum
or
a
lack
of
business
which
has
been
happening
or
we
do.
C
Good
evening,
mr.
chair
and
members
of
the
committee,
the
purpose
of
this
report
is
to
update
the
green
municipal
building
policy
at
a
high
level.
There
not
any
significant
amendments
to
the
existing
policy.
The
policies
presented
in
the
new
policy
template
the
previous
policy
required
that
building
projects
target
silver
level,
certification
for
large
new
construction
and
major
renovation
projects
subject
to
a
feasibility
review.
However,
the
updated
LEED
program
is
significantly
more
progressive
and
the
new
Silver
level
certification
under
LEED
version
four,
is
approximately
equal
to
platinum
under
the
2009
version.
C
The
proposed
amendments
require
projects
to
target
the
new
Silver
level
certification,
while
acknowledging
that
this
may
be
more
challenging
for
projects
to
achieve.
Since
the
last
revision
of
this
policy
in
2008,
a
corporate
climate
action
plan
has
been
introduced
in
2015
the
targets
and
a
percent
reduction
of
corporate
greenhouse
gas
emissions
by
2020
compared
to
a
baseline
year
of
2011.
In
order
to
meet
our
corporate
greenhouse
gas
reduction
targets,
our
new
buildings
and
major
renovations
need
to
incorporate
deep
energy
efficiency
in
a
shift
to
low-carbon
energy
sources.
C
This
policy
introduces
the
concept
that
a
project
may
identify
an
alternate
strategy
to
achieve
greenhouse
gas
emission
reductions
and
energy
efficiencies
in
a
more
progressive
fashion
than
may
then
may
result
from
application
of
the
LEED
certification
program
and
allows
for
the
flexibility
for
this
to
be
pursued.
This
would
be
determined
through
a
comprehensive
analysis
and,
if
deemed
to
substantiate
the
greater
reduction
in
carbon
and
energy
consumption
will
be
implemented
and
presented
in
an
information
report
to
Council.
C
An
example
of
this
is
when
we
design
a
building
the
roof
to
structurally
to
be
able
to
support
solar
panel
systems
in
the
future
and
equipping
new
facilities
with
basic
infrastructure
to
allow
for
the
installation
of
electrical
vehicle
charging
stations,
to
the
extent
that
this
is
feasible
within
the
constraints
of
the
project.
So
we'd
run
conduit
from
the
electrical
remote
to
the
parking
lot
during
construction.
C
E
Thank
you,
mr.
chair,
and
a
previous
meeting
what
we
have
recently
administered
of
policies.
There
was
a
discussion
of
the
new
Building
Code
alternatives
that
the
city
is
going
to
permit
so
that,
if
somebody's
got
an
innovative
solution
to
something
that
is
it
actually
on
a
sort
of
prescribed
list
that
the
chief
building
inspector
will
now
be
able
to
sort
of
assess
and
use
so
I
take
it.
These
two
were
working
in
tandem
that
this
is
the
same
sort
of
theory.
E
A
Yeah
any
other
questions,
I
have
a
question.
So
in
the
event,
some
of
the
language
is
sort
of
conditional
like,
for
example,
study
the
feasibility
of
generating
a
minimum
5%
of
the
building's
energy
needs
by
means
of
on-site
renewable
energy.
If
feasible,
that's
conditional
if
feasible,
incorporate
this
into
the
project.
What
would
happen?
I
assumed
to
be
reported
either
way,
but
if
it's
not
feasible
with
a
report
automatically
be
generated.
A
C
Depending
on
what
the
project
is,
we
would
try
our
best
to
determine
the
most
that
we
could
or
alternate
renewable
on-site
generation
that
could
exist.
So
in
some
cases
where
we
couldn't
hit
lead
silver
in
the
past
and
some
of
her
like
the
bus
sheds
project,
we
tried
to
get
certified
so
with
this
entire
policy.
If
we
can't
target
silver
we'll
try
to
get
it
best,
we
can
same
thing
if
it's
not
feasible
to
put
in
evey
charging
stations,
because
the
building
is
very
small
and
its
electrical
system
can't
handle
them.
C
A
Great
to
hear
I'm
just
wondering
how
we
as
council
will
be
prised
of
the
results
of
such
study
like
we'd,
would,
if,
in
the
event
where
we
don't
meet
the
targets
identified
in
the
policy,
do
would
we
be
get
getting
updates
to
that
effect?
Because,
because
really,
we
only
can
react
to
things
that
were
told
about
right.
C
My
understanding
in
the
past
and
projects
we
worked
on
through
possible
information
reports,
but
in
most
cases
we
wouldn't
report
back
to
Council.
We
try
our
best
efforts
to
if
we
couldn't
get
silver
to
get
certified
as
an
example,
and
that's
been
the
the
practices
that
we've
been
used,
we
try
our
best
and
if
it's
feasible,
we
proceed
and
if
it's
not
we're
continually.
Looking
at
new
technologies
and
new
ways
of
doing
things.
A
I
guess
I
guess:
well,
wait
till
we
get
to
the
discussion,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
the
reporting,
the
reporting
of
the
meeting
of
the
targets
or
not
or
whether
its
certification
or
silver
level
or
whatever
level
it
seems
to
me
that
that
needs
to
be
the
reporting
mechanism
needs
to
be
part
of
the
policy.
But
we
can
get
to
that
winning
when
we
move
the
recommendation,
any
other
questions.
A
G
There's
one
question
following
along
from
the
discussions
from
the
committee
so
far,
what
I'm
wondering
is
counsel
has
created
something
called
a
planning
advisory
working
group
they're
just
in
the
process
of
asking
for
people
to
apply
for
that
right
now,
and
that
group
is
gonna,
be
citizens
who
are
gonna
work
with
staff
on
for
a
bigger
picture,
planning
issues
as
I
understand
it.
So
I'm
wondering
if
the
renewable
energy
aspect
in
future
projects
might
be
something
that
the
planning
advisory
working
group
could
get
at.
G
It's
detailed
might
be
some
specialized
knowledge,
involve
their
engineering
and
planning,
and
that
kind
of
thing.
So
that's
question
number
one
and
my
second
question
falls
along
also
from
what
the
chair
was
asking
and
what
I'm
wondering
is
what
are
other
jurisdictions
doing
in
terms
of
maybe
man
beating
a
certain
threshold
of
renewable
energy
generation
for
new
products.
I
know
that
the
federal
and
Ontario
garments
are
becoming
more
aware
and
cognizant
and
taking
steps
around
green
energy
and
renewable
energy
and
environment
responsibility.
I
think
we're
still
trailing
a
lot
of
the
European
countries.
G
A
F
So
through
you,
mr.
chair,
the
planning
advisory
working
group
is
being
established
to
provide
an
opportunity
for
perspectives
on
planning
matters
and
right
now
that
includes
City
initiative,
but
city
initiated
amendments
to
the
Official
Plan
rezoning
bylaws,
legislated
updates
to
the
Official
Plan
Planning,
Act
reform
and
major
city
initiated
land-use
planning
projects,
so
I'm
not
I.
Don't
think
that
this
would
fall
into
the
planning
advisory
working
group
mandate
at
this
time.
A
A
C
We
would
be
reporting
on
when
we
identify
the
alternate
strategy
that
creates
greater
either
greenhouse
gas
emission
reductions
or
energy
efficiencies.
That's
more
progressive
than
the
lead
policy
we'd
be
reporting
to
those
there's
a
lot
of
initiatives
that
we
have
underway
outside
of
LEED
certification,
with
building
automation
systems,
we're
continually
looking
at
ways
to
reduce
energy
and
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
H
C
With
respect
to
going
from
the
silver
to
apply
them,
what
we're
saying
is
the
old
platinum
is
the
new
silver
now.
So
what
we're
acknowledging
is
that
this?
This
may
be
more
challenging
to
achieve.
So
it's
not
that
the
new
silver
is
much
more
advanced
and
we
and
in
various
ways
than
what
the
old
silver
was.
So
we
feel
that
we're
not
going
backwards
without
respect
and
the
second
part
of
your
question.
H
H
C
Trying
to
do
our
best
to
reduce
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
the
best
way
we
can
so
in
our
new
buildings
and
major
renovations.
This
is
one
component
of
it
replacing
borders
at
Rideau,
crust
and
creating
you
know:
70
tons
of
to
80
tons
of
binos
gas
reductions,
it's
another
strategy,
so
this
is
just
one
strategy:
one
piece
of
attempting
to
reach
our
8%
reduction
by
2020
and
greenest
gas
reductions.
H
C
No
meaning
that
we'll
look
at
in
a
new
building,
for
example,
we
will
be
able
to
determine
how
much
greenhouse
gas
emissions
are
created
by
the
new
systems
and
the
new
buildings.
When
we're
doing
a
major
renovation,
we
can
compare
what
the
current
cleanest
gas
emissions
are
as
an
example
from
the
gas
appliances
like
boilers
and
then
compare
them
to
the
efficiency
of
the
new
equipment
going
in
and
seeing
what
the
impact
is.
Therefore,
three
nose
gas
emissions
play
view.
H
A
Ok
so,
and
keep
in
mind
that
one
of
the
resources
on
this
file
key
resources
on
this
file,
my
sermon,
mr.
McClatchy,
is
not
able
to
be
here
to
answer
questions,
and-
and
we
may
so,
the
question
I
had
is
sort
of
on
the
on
the
in
the
context
of
whether
something
needs
to
be
added
to
the
policy.
I
guess
the
question
would
be
this:
if
council
processes
policy
can
we
add
to
it
at
a
future
date.
A
Thank
you,
yes,
I
think
we
can
all
agree
that
things
in
technology
when
it
comes
to
green
energy,
the
technology
is
moving
quite
quickly
faster
than
policy
amendments,
usually
move.
So
so
that's
good
to
hear
I'm
satisfied
that
the
policy
is
being
upgraded
and
with
the
knowledge
that
we
can
further
tweak
it
in
a
positive
way
in
the
future.
I'm
happy
to
support
it,
but
the
lack
of
reporting
being
spelled
out
in
the
policy
I
see
as
a
weakness.
So
maybe
that
can
be
addressed
in
future.
A
Iterations
I
found
no
matter
what
you're
doing
say,
say:
you're
keeping
track
of
your
family's
finances.
If
you
don't
actually
count
your
money
once
in
a
while
and
count
your
expenses.
More
importantly,
once
in
a
while,
you
tend
to
have
higher
expenses
and
less
money
so
same
thing
here,
if
we
don't
have
an
accounting
of
where
we
are
in
the
green
world
of
things
with
our
buildings,
we're
not
going
to
necessarily
be
motivated
to
make
the
improvements
that
we
need
to
make.
Not
that
I
doubt
the
intention
Messiah
I
noticed
staffs
intentions
are
pure.
E
E
A
Okay,
but
platinum
is
the
new
silver,
so
so
we
got
to
go
higher
than
gold
all
right.
All
this
talk
of
this
talk
of
precious
metals
I
thought
we
were
talking
about
greenhouse
gases
anyway,
any
other
comment
seeing
none.
We
will
vote
on
the
recommendation,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that
carries
unanimously.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
I
Thank
you.
Mr.
chairman
members
of
the
committee,
the
report
has
been
brought
back
to
committee
for
review.
You
will
recall-
and
it
states
on
the
report,
that
in
October
of
last
year
we
brought
this
item
forward
with
a
view
that
we
would
exercise
on
RFP
type
process
to
secure
services
and
then
bring
that
back
to
committee
for
review.
I
In
the
intervening
time
period,
we
ended
up
with
some
discussions
to
try
to
determine
what
kind
of
interest
was
out
there
relative
to
this
type
of
program,
and
we
ended
up
with
basically
only
one
company
that
would
be
prepared
to
make
a
submission.
At
that
point,
we
felt
that
it
probably
was
an
inappropriate
use
of
resources
to
create
an
RFP
and
go
through
that
type
process.
I
So
I'm
really
looking
for
basically
an
amendment
to
the
original
recommendation
to
enable
staff
to
enter
into
discussions
directly
with
sewer
line,
warranties
of
Canada
determine
what
the
scope
of
that
services
would
be.
What
the
issues
will
be
and
then
bring
that
back
to
the
Committee
for
review
and
to
counsel
to
ultimately
recommend
either
that
we
continue
an
award
or
decline.
The
services.
I
The
the
recommendation
the
report
indicates
that
we
would
like
to
have
those
discussions,
then
bring
forward
the
information
back
to
the
committee
and,
ultimately
the
council.
Obviously,
at
that
point,
staff
would
be
making
a
recommendation
either
to
continue
with
that
single
source
or
that
individual
company
or
to
say
no.
We
don't
feel
that's
an
appropriate
route
to
take
and
and
recommended
the
Klein.
G
G
I
think
the
program
is,
is
valuable,
I
think
we
could
do
something
worthwhile
there
and,
like
know
more
about
it,
but
say
you
know
what
is
golf
doing,
what
is
pitching
or
doing
what
does
Peterborough
doing
and
that
kind
of
thing
I'm
wondering
if
staff
has
that
it
sort
of
information
and
if
they're
able
to
get
at
the
contract
cost
if
that
could
be
shared
with
City
of
Kingston
or
UK.
Thank
you.
I
The
Association
municipalities
of
Ontario
has
indicated
in
this
report
has
endorsed
this
particular
company
and
the
services
they
offer.
It's
really
kind
of
a
I
guess
I
would
call
it
it's
a
specialty
type
service.
There
are
not
a
lot
of
competitors
out
there
and,
as
I
said,
we
did
contact
at
least
two
other
companies
that
do
do
this
type
of
thing
and
both
declined
any
particular
interest
in
bidding
on
anything
with
respect
to
the
city
of
kingston,
you
know
relative
to
contract
costs.
I
This
is
really
an
issue
that
bears
little
or
no
expense
to
the
city.
This
is
really
a
notion
of
entering
and
providing
some
marketing
support.
If
you
will
to
the
company
it's
voluntary
to
the
public,
there's
no
obligation
for
them
to
enter
into
the
program.
This
is
basically
a
commercial
enterprise
that
this
particular
company
is
offering,
and
it's
really
a
service
to
the
public,
but
our
role
is
frankly
more
along
the
lines
of
supporting
it
from
Marc
perspective.
So
there
is,
there
is
the
potential
for
some
revenue,
but
that
still
all
has
to
be
determined.
J
A
Need
a
mover
and
a
seconder
to
get
the
recommendation
on
the
floor,
moved
by
Councillor
Caden.
Second,
my
counselor
she'll,
actually
I
just
thought
of
a
question
based
on
that
last
response
and
just
having
thought
about
it.
So
this
is
a
pretty
small
niche
or
a
very
narrow
focus
for
a
company
to
have
do.
We
know
if
this
company
has
other
interests,
or
is
this
the
only
thing
that
they
do.
I
A
A
It
came
before
us,
and
this
is
something
that
that
is
essentially
there
as
a
helpful
suggestion
to
our
users
that
they
have
a
way
of
getting
extra
security
peace
of
mind,
even
if
it's
not
coming
directly
from
the
city,
it's
from
a
private
company,
but
it's
something
that
people
have
the
option
of
of
taking
and
I.
Think
it's
a
good
suggestion
and
I
look
forward
to
the
report.
Cancer
Canada
thank.
K
K
So,
for
example,
if
you
lived
in
the
West
End
of
Kingston-
and
you
don't
have
any
mature
trees
on
your
property
at
all,
the
likelihood
of
your
water
and
sewer
failing
would
would
be
smaller
than
if
you
lived
downtown
and
you
had
a
very
small
front
yard
with
an
enormous
tree
on
it.
So
you
could
determine
like
the
likelihood
of
the
possibility
of
that
having
to
use
this
insurance
policy.
Do
we
know
how
these
are
going
to
be
determined.
I
I
What
I
can
say
is
my
understanding
is
that
if
your
services
currently
work
you're
eligible-
and
that
seems
to
be
the
approach
they
take-
but
beyond
that
I-
don't
know
how
far
they
go
and
I
don't
know
exactly
what
the
rates
are
or
the
costs
are
associate
with
the
program,
but
that's
certainly
something
that
we
would
delve
into
a
little
bit
with
them
determine
sort
of
how
that
works,
but
would
come
once
we've
had
sort
of
that
approval
to
go
ahead.
Okay,.
I
K
Have
we
looked
into
whether
or
not
the
likely
like?
Would
there
be
an
increased
likelihood
of
say,
for
example,
a
property
owner
who
rents
their
property
using
the
services
compared
to
a
person
who
owns
or
a
person
like?
Do
we
do?
We
have
any
analysis
on
who
would
be
our
end
user
or
the
the
highest
likelihood
of
getting
an
end
user?
Because,
if
your
use,
if
you're
buying
the
property
as
a
rental,
it
is
a
bit
of
a
safety
net.
If
something
goes
wrong
because
you're
not
really
using
the
water
and
sewer.
K
So
if
you
did
end
up
getting
a
bad
tenant,
the
likelihood
could
be
that
you
do
have
something
go
wrong
with
your
water
or
sewer
if
something
ended
up
in
the
water
so
that
you
wouldn't
have
put
there
yourself.
Are
we
trying
to
market
these
things
to
people
or
are
we
just
providing
them?
Because
it's
a
good
value,
add
in
a
responsible
way
to
do
business
as
a
city.
I
I
That's,
really
a
private
commercial
contract
that
they
would
enter
into
with
their
with
their
customer
good
question
with
respect
to
the
issue
of
whether
the
rental
people
versus
the
owner
I
would
think
it
would
have
to
be
with
the
owner,
but
again
I,
don't
know
that
level
of
detail,
because
we
haven't
had
those
discussions
with
the
company
but
again
a
good
question,
but
I
suspect
it
would
be
owner,
not
necessarily
the
rental
person
in
the
building.
Okay,
thank
you.
H
You
might
have
answered
this
one,
what
seemed
quite
sure
whether
what
councillor
Kenan
was
asking
is
quite
the
same
question,
but
perhaps
it
is,
he
was
talking
about
the
warranty
provider
and
how
they
would
evaluate
risk
and
crevices
in
question
is
the
same
like.
How
does
the
owner
say
the
private
owner
know
if
failure
is
imminent,
there's
a
just
a
case
that,
when
it
breaks
it
breaks
and
you're
kind
of
finished
that
you
know
yeah
just
not
to
pay
to
fix
it.
I
You
know,
and
it's
coming
up
through
the
toilet
or
the
shower,
that's
in
the
basement
or
those
sorts
of
things
you
know,
I
would
hazard
a
guess
that
you
know
maintenance.
If
you
will
on
any
of
that,
infrastructure
is
probably
nil
to
the
average
person.
So
again,
I
think
my
understanding
of
how
this
program
works
is
that
if
it's
working
today,
you
would
be
eligible
if
it
breaks
or
there's
an
issue
with
it,
then,
and
if
you
entered
into
the
program
with
this
company,
then
they
would
respond.
H
I
Yes,
there
is,
there
are
what
we
call
CCTV
or
closed-circuit
TV
cameras
that
can
be
sent
down
the
lateral,
and
there
are
several
companies
in
in
the
city
that
actually
offer
that
service
to
homeowners
utilities.
Kingston
doesn't
do
that
unless
we
have
an
issue
with
the
lateral
and
there's
a
question
of.
Where
is
the
failure
on
the
ladder
on
the
lateral,
sometimes
that
failure
is
within
the
peace
between
the
property
line
and
the
main,
in
which
case
it's
utilities,
Kingston's
responsibility.
So
our
camera
work
will
tell
us
that,
but
it's
not
a
service.
H
Where
the
public
line
is
I
mean
there's
cases
where
the
public
portion
is
inside
the
house
right,
like
I
know
this
happens
on
baguette
Street,
and
so
it
gets
a
bit
complicated
but
who's
responsible.
For
what,
when
that
happens
so
say
they,
the
private
ladder
will
do
a
house
fails
and
they
have
to
break
the
sidewalk
to
get
at
it
like.
The
public
line
is
right
at
the
sidewalk
or
something
I.
I
Think
in
that
situation
you
know
I
think
there's
there's
some
there's
some
onus
on
the
homeowner
at
that
point
in
time
to
realize
where
the
property
line
is.
If,
in
that
situation,
as
you've
described,
the
sidewalk
is
required
to
be
broken.
That's
not
a
war,
that's
not
a
warranty
issue,
that's
a
utilities
Kingstown
issue,
because
that
is
part
of
the
public
infrastructure.
I
So
in
your
in
your
scenario
where
the
building
structure
is
sitting
right
at
the
property
line
and
then
you
have
a
sidewalk
and
then
you
have
potentially
a
curb
or
whatever
in
the
street,
that
lateral
from
the
main
to
the
property
line
is
the
responsibility
of
utilities
Kingstown.
If
it
breaks
or
if
there's
an
issue,
then
our
crews
would
respond
to
affect
the
repair.
You
would
have
to
question
why
the
homeowner
would
even
be
interested
in
the
program
at
all.
In
that
situation,.
I
A
A
There
are
no
motions
or
notices
of
motion
or
other
business
there's
an
item
of
correspondence
in
the
package
and
our
next
meeting
is
next
month
just
to
be
clear.
We're
having
a
meeting
next
month.
It's
on
December
12th
I
need
a
motion
to
adjourn
moved
by
Councillor
cannon
second
by
councillor,
Hutchison,
all
those
in
favor.
This
meeting
is
adjourned.