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From YouTube: Kingston Ontario - EITP Meeting - December 12, 2017
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Environment, Infrastructure & Transportation Policies meeting from December 12, 2017. For the full meeting agenda visit https://goo.gl/VgLywN
A
Good
evening,
I'll
call
the
meeting
to
order
for
the
purpose
of
electing
a
chair
and
I'll
accept
nominations
at
this
time:
counsel,
Neil,
yes,
sir,
a
secondary
councillor
oceanic
and
councillor
Strad.
Would
you
accept
the
nomination
I
do?
Are
there
any
other
nominations
at
this
time?
C9O
close
to
nomination
and
I'll
call
the
question
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that
carries
and
I'll
no
accept
nominations
for
Vice
Chair.
Also.
A
B
B
So
I
guess:
I
need
a
mover
for
that.
Ok,
so
any
discussion,
so
we're
voting
on
a
slight
rearranging
and
the
first
two
items
of
the
agenda
to
reverse
the
order
start
with
a
day
and
then
go
7a
all
those
in
favor
and
that
carries
so.
First
up,
then,
is
8a
community
bike
share
program
with
the
report
and
there's
recommendation
with
three
clauses
and
I'll
go
to
staff
to
introduce
the
item
go
ahead.
B
C
You
and
through
you,
mr.
chair
I,
think
the
report
speaks
mostly
for
itself,
but
it
does
cover
the
performance
of
the
drop
bike.
Community
bike
share
pilot
program
over
the
course
of
the
summer,
which
we
regarded
as
positive,
and
it
sets
out
some
observations
that
we've
made
through
public
consultation
and,
through
our
own
observations
of
how
the
drop
bike
program
happened.
It
also.
The
report
also
sets
out
a
terms
of
reference
that
we
would
like
to
use
for
a
request
for
proposals
process
to
attract
a
community
bike
share
operator
to
Kingstown
2018.
C
The
terms
of
reference
that
are
in
within
the
report
would
represent
a
minimum
standard.
We
would
expect,
because
of
the
nature
of
a
request
for
proposals
that
we
could
get
large
variations
in
terms
of
business
models
and
size,
quality
of
bikes,
those
sorts
of
things,
but
the
as
I
said.
The
terms
of
reference
represents
what
we
would
like
to
see
as
a
minimum
standard.
B
D
D
C
B
C
D
D
D
D
D
Question
I
have
one
other
question:
I
just
had
to
find
it
so
under
accessibility
considerations,
it
says,
accessibility
provisions
will
be
included
as
a
required
element
of
the
community
Bike
Share
request
for
proposals.
I
was
just
wondering
what
that
means.
Like
what
kind
of
requirements
will
we
make.
C
Through
you,
mr.
chair,
to
start
with,
since
this
would
be
a
system
that
operates
in
the
public
right-of-way,
there
would
have
to
be
compliance
with
the
facility
accessibility
design
standard.
But
in
general
terms
we
would
want
to
make
sure
that
racks
and
so
forth
were
not
placed
in
the
such
a
way
that
it
would
impose
any
sort
of
impediment
to
anybody
with
a
an
accessibility
challenge.
C
D
It's
just
not
quite
sure
how
accessibility
is
effect.
I
can
see
the
bikes
either
you
can
write
it
or
you
can
write
okay
and
the
apps.
They
can
push
the
right
button,
so
you
can't
right
so
I'm,
just
not
like
I
can
see
where
we
have
stairwells
and
then
we
have
ramps
right.
That's
a
whole
thing,
correct.
C
C
D
E
You
I
I
think
overall,
the
pilot
was
very
successful.
We
saw
lots
of
bikes
on
the
road.
My
couple
of
concerns
that
I
hope
will
be
addressed.
It
seemed
to
be
primarily-
and
it
made
sense
as
a
pilot
that
it
was
very
centered
on
Queens
University
in
the
BIA
area
and
I
know
that
gradually
because
of
certain
demands.
Some
of
the
orange
bikes
started
to
turn
out
in
Williamsville,
which
I
applauded
at
the
time.
E
C
Three,
mr.
chair,
the
terms
of
reference
that
are
being
recommended
within
this
report
described
the
minimum
service
area
for
a
community
bike
share
that
we
would
be
comfortable
with,
but
it
also
specifies
that
the
bike
share
needs
to
be
compatible
with
our
Kingston
transit
rock
and
roll
program.
So
I
would
expect
community
bike
share.
Operators
will
look
at
the
opportunities
available
within
our
community,
and
certainly
places
like
the
cat,
Center
I
would
think
would
be
attractive
to
them
when,
when
it's
linked
with
the
rack
and
roll
program.
C
Want
proponents
that
are
responding
to
the
RFP
to
examine
the
community
and
determine
what's
going
to
work
for
them
to
be
able
to
run
a
feasible
community
bike
share
program,
but
certainly
I,
think
transit
hubs
would
be
would
be
a
central
focus
to
an
operator,
as
well
as
the
types
of
corridors,
downtown
Business,
Improvement
area
plus
Queens,
plus
st.
Lawrence.
Those
seem
to
be
logical
places
of
high
student
density
and
high
active
transportation
and
cycling
demand
and.
E
C
Mr.
chair,
the
RFP
will
explicitly
state
that
we're
looking
for
solutions
to
to
equity
and
accessibility
issues
like
that,
to
be
honest,
I've
heard
all
of
the
bike
operators
talking
about
it.
I'm
a
bike
share
operators
that
is
talking
about
it.
I
haven't
seen
solid
examples
of
how
it's
working
yet,
but
we
will
ask
the
question
and
and
look
for
those
kinds
of
solutions.
F
F
Being
able
to
continually
rely
on
those
revenues
and
and
I'm
not
saying
that
every
Queens
student
is
gonna,
be
on
a
bike
instead
of
on
the
bus,
but
just
sort
of
thinking,
long-term
and
trying
to
figure
out
what
what
those
numbers
might
mean
and
how
they
might
with
bike
sharing
being
a
bigger
part
of
that
that
portion.
What
that
might
look
like.
C
It's
gonna
say
about
that.
The
the
integration
with
Kingston
transit
is
going
to
be
important
and
the
RFP
is
that
stated
in
the
report
will
ask
for
demonstrations
of
how
proposed
systems
are
going
to
integrate
with
Kingston
transit.
So
it
may
not
just
be
integration
with
rock
and
roll.
It
may
be
an
integration
with
a
or
at
least
a
desire
to
seek
us
an
integration
with
the
Transit
PATH
system.
G
You
mr.
chair,
it's
it's
quite
a
list
of
terms
of
reference
and
request
for
proposing
the
request
for
proposals.
Are
there
enough
bike
share
company
that
we
can
expect
to
see
this
list
fulfilled,
or
do
you
expect
that
we're
going
to
have
to
make
a
number
of
compromises?
I
mean
it
must
be
an
incredibly
capital
intensive
business
for
any
group
to
try
to
and
then
to
try
to
fit
all
these
criteria.
Or
is
it
going
to
be
easy?
You.
C
C
B
Any
other
questions,
I
have
a
question
so
I
see
that
the
engineering
department
was
consulted
in
preparation
of
this
report.
I
know
mr.
Makati,
you
were
the
lead
on
this
file
because
of
the
synergies
with
transit
and
already
brought
up
by
some
of
my
colleagues
here.
I'm
wondering:
will
you
be
before
the
RFP
goes?
Air
will
transit
department
itself
be
consulted
about
about
how
specifically
to
word
the
RFP
so
that
it
could
be
terms
are
compatible.
C
Certainly
one
of
the
things
we
learned
through
the
drop
bike
pilot
was
that
operation
of
a
bike
share
program
on
the
right-of-way
affects
more
than
one
city
department.
So
there
are
different
departments
that
will
have
a
stake
in
this,
and
different
departments
have
to
have
their
say
on
the
RFP
and
not
just
the
wording
of
the
RFP,
but
how
how
the
successful
proponent
might
be
selected.
So,
yes,
there
will
be
a
good
consultation
across
several
departments
in
the
city
that
will
have
a
stake
in
this.
B
It's
not
necessarily
the
only
way
that
a
bike
sure
can
interact
with
transit
having
the
docks
at
the
transit
hubs,
for
example,
is
another
way,
but
there's
also
the
return
of
those
same
bikes
to
the
racks,
if
you're
using
it
as
the
last
kilometer
transportation
to
where
transit
maybe
doesn't
get
you
exactly
break
from
an
Express
hub
to
to
an
end
which
would
be
a
residence.
You
don't
have
a
rack
necessarily
there
to
park
the
bike.
B
So
that's
fairly
important
to
the
RFP
process
and
I
know
that
I'm
not
telling
you
that
you
don't
know,
but
just
the
two
ends
of
the
the
two
ends
of
the
transit
process
like
the
destination
and
the
and
the
origin.
Transit
analysis
looks
at
that
and
that's
why
I
think
it's
very
important
that
transit
department
be
consulted
with
this.
If
there's
any
thought
of
it
being
integrated
closely
with
with
the
transit
that
we
have,
thank
you
I
know.
H
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
thanks
to
staff
for
the
report,
and
the
question
was
something
good
to
beat
so
far.
I
think
it's
a
brilliant
success,
really
good
cooperation
between
staff
and
council
and
the
company.
That's
offering
us
and
the
public
seems
to
recognize
that
truly
innovative
and
I'm
really
pleased
about
that.
H
Now.
Just
a
few
points,
so
most
of
them
haven't
been
caught
so
far.
But
what
I
have
noticed
is
that
at
some
locations
where
the
brakes
are
capped,
the
wind
seems
to
blow
them
over
that
elicits
the
number
of
times
when
people
are
coming
by
and
knocking
them
over.
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
damage
is
caused
because
of
that
I
didn't
see
it
in
the
report,
so
it
could
be
added
in
the
report.
H
I
think
is
very
good
insofar
as
it
goes
on
this
one,
it
might
have
some
more
information
on
European
and/or
Asian
experience
in
terms
of
the
uptake
levels,
because
the
Europe
was
the
pioneer
in
this,
perhaps
or
perhaps
maybe
Hong
Kong
a
place
like
that
that
are
very
densely
populated,
so
just
to
give
it
an
indication
of
where
we're
going
see
in
five
or
ten
years
from
now,
because
as
technology
evolves,
it
makes
other
options
in
running
one's
life
possible
right.
You
don't
need
a
car.
You
have
this
on
transit.
You
need
to
get
around.
H
H
I
would
say
the
same
apartment,
building
all
the
time,
so
I'm
not
sure
that
had
been
thought
of
as
as
possible,
but
in
this
use
their
own
walk
right,
walk
it
to
the
full
store
ever
so
I'm
wondering
if
we
kept
track
of
looking
by
the
locations
every
so
often
to
see
how
many
bikes
were
left
see.
If
you
have
ten
that
you
know
that
or
at
a
certain
location
did
you
go
by
and
see
how
many
were
being
used
or
if
they
were
all
gone
or
are
they're
all
left
at
any
one
point.
H
Some
other
question:
I,
don't
think
it's
dealt
with
in
the
report,
but
I'm
wondering
if
you
observed
any
vandalization
of
the
fleet
that
was
provided
and
if
so,
if
you
tracked
that
in
terms
of
what
the
amount
of
damage
that
was
caused
like
there
are
people
out
there
who
just
like
to
vandalize
it's
a
fact
of
our
society.
It's
unfortunate
but
and
that's
a
natural
target.
H
You
know
discussion,
don't
forget
about
them
right.
It's
seven
or
eight
thousand
students
there
and
going
along
with
one
of
the
questions
that
came
up
from
one
of
the
points.
I
do
see
a
very
large
potential
at
the
Kapton
Center,
because
that's
a
major
transit
hub
you've
got
your
express
routes,
all
going
there
or
most
of
them,
except
the
one
that
goes
over
to
the
East
End.
But
it
seem
it's
a
widespread
area.
C
You
three
mr.
chair,
just
in
the
order
that
mr.
Dixon
Dixon
asked
the
questions
there,
the
we
did
also
observe
bikes
that
have
been
knocked
over
or
blown
over
at
the
different
Haven
locations
and
that's
something
that
the
the
BIA
also
commented
to
us
on,
and
that
is
the
reason
why,
in
the
terms
of
reference
in
the
report,
we're
looking
for
a
system
that
that
has
hard
docks,
so
not
smart,
docks
but
actual
a
bicycle
rack.
C
If
you
will
so
that
so
that
the
the
bikes
have
something
to
nest
in
and
presumably
would
would
not
follow
her.
You
asked
about
uptake
levels
in
other
jurisdictions.
That's
that's
something
we
do
not
have
data
and
data
on
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
other
other
cities
are
different,
but
we
do
see
a
general
trend.
C
The
the
growth
in
community
bike
share,
especially
in
North
America
over
the
last
24
months,
has
been
really
significant.
Some
of
the
experience
in
Asia
with
the
with
the
rapid
appearance
of
doclist
bikes,
has
been
a
bit
of
a
problem.
The
capital
investment
that
was
put
into
those
systems
has
been
extreme.
It's
resulted
in
thousands
and
thousands
of
bikes
in
some
jurisdictions
in
China,
especially
and
not
a
lot
of
commitment
to
maintenance
or
organizations.
So
that's
been
a
problem
for
some
municipalities,
but
that's
that's
pretty
much.
C
You
also
comment
about
bikes
being
locked
to
people's
houses
or
or
railings,
and
so
forth.
There
was
a
problem
with
the
drop
bike
system.
The
first
generation
bikes
had
a
mechanical
lock
on
them.
Those
were
once
you
had
the
combination
you
had
it,
you
had
it
for
good,
so
you
could
basically
keep
that
bike
for
as
long
as
you
wanted.
If
the
system
didn't
realize
you
had
it.
So
if
you,
if
you
rented
it
one
day
and
returned
it
that
day,
you
had
the
combination
for
that
bike.
C
C
B
E
Very
quickly,
you
mentioned
something
after
my
questions
earlier,
you
commented
that
there
might
be
other
opportunities
to
work
in
collaboration
with
with
Kingston,
transit
and
I
know,
for
instance,
that
virtue
car
gives
a
discount
for
membership.
If
you
have
a
Kingston
Trance,
an
active
Kingston
transit
pass,
so
something
like
that
working
collaboratively
with
with
Kingston
transit
I
think
would
be
a
very
good
thing
and
I
did
have
an
opportunity
to
talk
to
the
person
who
kind
of
managed
it
on
behalf
of
drop
bike
over
the
summer,
and
he
said
the
exact
same
thing.
E
B
Regarding
the
accessibility,
questions
and
issues,
what's
in
the
report
and
comments,
my
colleagues
have
made
I
think
if
you
study,
if
you
look
at
this
long
enough,
you
realize
that
you're
not
you're,
not
the
demographic
that
would
use
this
type
of
service
is
not
all
of
residents.
Obviously,
so
in
in
the
case
of
the
pilot
program,
you
saw
the
university
population
not
even
at
st.
Lawrence
College
right.
It
was
just
the
Queens
University
and
then
the
downtown.
B
The
downtown
they,
if
you
look
at
the
heat
map,
basically
it
tells
us
a
pretty
clear
story
of
of
the
usage
you
can
imagine
if
it's
all
main
campus
the
residences
city
park
and
then
the
princess
Street
corridor
and
City
Hall
or
what's
on
the
heat
map
most
some
of
that
would
have
been
generated
by
where
the
bike
started.
Of
course,
then
they're
more
likely
to
end
up
there.
B
But
if
you
look
at
the
smaller
map,
where
it
just
includes
just
main
campus,
which
is
the
bottom
right
map
on
exhibit
a
the
fiscal
education
center
is
one
the
big
one
at
the
top
and
then
bought
oral
halls.
The
big
one
at
the
bottom
and
if
you
spend
any
time
on
campus
you'll,
know
that
you
can
often
see
many
bikes.
B
B
So
these
are
bikes
that
have
migrated
over
there
because
that's
where
they
ended
up,
people
took
them
to
bought
or
a
hall
to
do
their
studying
or
whatever
their
go
to
class,
and
they
they
sat
there
and
probably
someone
else
took
them
from
there
and
use
them
and
they
continued
on.
But
the
heat
map
doesn't
show
really
is
trajectories
and
and
because
of
this
I,
this
concept
that
I'm
mentioning
earlier
that
every
bike
has
a
beginning
and
an
end.
B
So
you
sign
it
sign
in
when
you
pick
it
up
and
you
sign
out
the
nice
thing
about
the
drop
bike.
App
is
that
you
didn't
have
to
take
the
bike
back
to
where
you
picked
it
up,
which
is
the
same.
If
you
have
a
dockable
system,
you
can
dock
it
in
any
dock.
That's
open!
You
don't
have
to
take
it
back
to
the
same
one.
B
If
you
rent
a
car
which
is
a
type
of
car
sharing,
I
suppose
you
could
say
you
normally
have
to
bring
it
back
to
the
agency
that
you
picked
the
car
up
from.
If
you
don't,
you
pay
an
extra
fee
with
drop
bike.
That
wasn't
the
case.
However,
we
don't
really
know
we
don't
have
statistics
on
that
of
how
like
what
is
the
typical
trajectory
of
these
bikes.
We
just
know
the
sort
of
end
locations
and,
of
course,
over
time
it
it.
B
It
became
further
and
further
from
the
original
starting
points.
It
doesn't
say
how
often
the
bike
warriors
were
relocating
bikes
to
the
to
the
to
the
initial
deployment
points.
My
point
is
basically
that
if
you're
talking
about
integration
with
transit,
the
transit
system
looks
at
where
people
are
going
to
trip
generating
right,
so
their
place
of
employment.
Thanks
residents
other
places
you
might
go
to
on
transit
community
centers
places
you
go
activities.
You
know
arenas
places
like
that
with
with
the
bikes.
This
was.
This
is
a
smaller
area
than
the
city.
B
It
basically
has
a
range
and
the
the
faster
it
goes
or
the
easier
it
is
to
pedal
which
different
gears
would
make
it
easier
to
get
higher
speeds
and
therefore
have
a
longer
range.
You
don't
get
that
would
that
with
the
bikes
that
top
bike
was
deploying
one
speed,
sort
of
low
end
bikes,
no
problem
thinking
abandon
eyes
for
stolen
because
they're
cheap.
However,
you
don't
get
very
great
range
so
going
to
the
north
end
from
downtown
on
a
drop
bike,
not
very
likely
because
of
the
kind
of
bike
that
was
being
deployed.
B
Other
communities
are
looking
at
different
price
points
of
infrastructure.
The
dock
is
one
part
of
it,
but
there's
also
the
bike
itself.
If
any
of
you
have
ridden
one
of
these
drop
bikes,
you
know
what
I'm
talking
about
the
drop
bike.
Quality
of
unit
was
very
low,
also
very
cheap,
so
there's
probably
a
reason
for
this
particular
one
in
a
pilot
program.
B
If
we
want
to
see
a
future,
it's
not
just
that
whether
there's
docks
or
not-
and
if
you're
looking
at
deploying
more
expensive
bikes,
you
will
need
docks
because
you
will
need
a
higher
level
of
security.
So
that's
where
the
cost
curve
start
school
going
up.
There
is
a
place
in
California.
That's
talking
about
deploying
electric
bikes.
B
Anyway,
that's
what
the
Electric
Power
sisters!
It
doubles
your
range
and,
conversely,
if
you
have
these
one
speed
bottom
end
bikes,
it
reduces
you
a
couple:
B
cuts
your
range
in
half
of
of
the
bikes
that
you're
used
to
writing.
So
you
write
a
ten-speed.
You
get
on
a
drop
bike.
You
go
half
as
far
so
that's
all
part
I,
don't
know
how
that's
gonna
be
worded
in
the
RFP,
but
the
price
point
of
the
unit,
and
maybe
it
needs
multiple
ones,
and
these
things
are
changing.
B
Each
community
bike
share
program
and
each
company
that
provides
they've
been
looking
at
this
and
it's
been
evolving.
So
hopefully
we'll
get
to
see
that
in
the
air
a
few
responses
a
menu
at
different
options,
because
I
think
if
we
go
with
the
low
end
bikes
again
as
a
permanent
thing,
it
won't
have
very
much
longevity.
People
will
use
them
a
few
times
and
then
realize
they
can
get
a
second
hand
bike
for
a
hundred
bucks
and
go
further.
So
just
food
for
thought.
Thank
you.
E
Quickly,
I
agree
that
people
may
not
be
taking
long
trips,
but
having
been
a
longtime
resident
of
Kingston,
we
don't
want
to
be
supporting
any
public
service.
That
looks
like
we're
only
serving
Queens
and
the
downtown,
and
the
reality
is
even
if
there
aren't
a
lot
of
bikes
at
the
cats
center
or
north
in
Kingston.
There
will
be
people
who
take
out
a
bike
at
the
cat
center
to
go
to
Walmart
or
to
go
to
the
Invista
Center
from
there
and
and
so
I
think.
B
This
report,
the
Council
for
inclusion
on
the
agenda
at
their
December
19th
2017
meeting
that
last
causes,
because
we're
only
six
days
away
from
that
meeting
or
seven
I
guess,
but
by
the
time
we're
done,
they
were
within
the
deadline.
Okay
and
that's
theirs.
Any
further
debate,
I'll
call
the
question
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that
carries.
Thank
you.
Next,
we
have
the
briefing
that
goes
along
with
the
report
under
8b,
and
that
is
Miss.
J
Thank
you,
and
thanks
for
the
extra
time
tonight,
I
appreciate
it
so
welcome,
and
thank
you
again
for
allowing
me
to
speak
on
this
subject.
This
is
the
third
briefing
that
we've
provided
since
the
spring
of
2016
regarding
the
waste
free,
Ontario
Act,
the
first
about
seven
slides
I'm,
going
to
move
through
quite
quickly
because
it
is
just
a
summary
and
a
recap
of
the
other
briefings
and
reports
that
have
come
to
this
committee.
J
The
waste
free,
Ontario
Act,
the
goal
of
it
is
zero
waste
and
to
spark
a
circular
economy
and
innovation
in
the
province
where
waste
is
seen
as
a
resource,
rather
than
just
something
that
we
bury
in
a
landfill
and
the
spirit
and
the
intent
of
the
legislation
is
to
remove
cost
and
burden
from
taxpayers.
I
have
highlighted
two
of
the
points
on
this
slide
because
they
are
important
books
that
I'm
gonna
cover
tonight.
J
You
may
have
remembered
this
flowchart
from
a
previous
presentation,
but
this
just
sets
out
how
the
legislation
flows
down.
So
it's
the
waste
free,
Ontario
Act.
There
are
two
acts
and
a
strategy
that
are
included
and
I've
highlighted
tonight
that
we
are
stuck
in
the
waste
diversion
transition
Act.
So
we
have
yet
to
move
over
to
the
resource,
recovery
and
circular
economy,
Act
and
the
the
waste
diversion
transition.
J
Act
is
really
just
a
key
piece
of
the
legislation
which
is
going
to
enable
us
to
get
to
where
we
are
today
to
the
new
legislation
and
the
strategy
is
a
plain
language,
somewhat
plain
language
document
which
sets
the
roadmap
of
how
we're
going
to
achieve
achieve
all
of
the
vision
of
the
waste
Fran
Theriot
Act,
our
current
state.
As
I
said,
we
are
in
the
waste
diversion
transition
act
right
now
and
we
are
wrapping
up
the
current
waste
diversion
programs.
J
It's
a
key
piece
of
legislation
which
is
going
to
get
us
from
a
shared
responsibility
regime
to
a
full,
extended
producer,
responsibility
regime
and
it's
the
mechanism
right
now.
That's
being
used
to
amend
the
current
blue
box
program
plan
and
trying
to
amend
it
earlier
than
planned
so
that
we
can
hopefully
start
to
recover
more
more
dollars
for
our
blue
box
programs.
J
Under
this
current
plan,
we
get
50%
of
our
costs
covered
and
an
interesting
stat
there
that,
with
the
help
of
email,
has
been
pulled
together
that
every
year
that
we
prolong
the
transition
of
where
we
are
today
to
a
full,
extended
producer
responsibility.
It's
costing
municipalities
in
Ontario,
a
hundred
and
thirty
million
dollars
and
I've
just
included
that
equates
to
about
1.7
for
Kingston.
J
The
resource
productivity
in
recovery
authority
is
the
new
waste
aversion
Ontario.
They
are
overseeing
the
wrap-up
of
the
current
diversion
programs,
they're
approving
wind-up
plans
and
the
wind-up
of
the
industry
funding
organizations,
and
they
are
also
the
ones
that
will
approve
an
amended
blue
box
program
plan
before
it
is
submitted
to
the
minister.
J
So
the
blue
box
program
plan
that
exists
today
was
started
in
2002
and
its
intent
was
to
make
sure
that
the
producers
of
that
packaging
in
Ontario
understand
that
they
are
to
fund
50%
of
meanness
of
how
these
blue
box
program
costs
and
there
were
targets
set
in
there.
It
hasn't
been
working.
We've
been
stuck
at
low
diversion
rates
for
the
entire
province.
Thus
the
push
to
have
new
legislation
in
the
province,
a
request
for
an
amended
blue
box
program
plan.
J
So,
instead
of
waiting
until
later,
let's
try
and
do
something
now,
let's
take
an
intern
step
now,
to
try
to
move
from
a
shared
responsibility
regime
to
a
full,
extended
producer
responsibility
regime
in
August.
The
minister
received
that
letter
and
also
issued
his
own
letter
asking
and
requesting
rip
rod
and
stewardship
ontario
to
consult
with
municipalities
and
other
stakeholders
and
figure
out
a
way
to
put
together
an
amended
blue
box
program
plan,
and
he
asked
that
that
be
admitted
to
him
and
fibia
on
February
15th.
J
So
what
is
that
a
proposed,
amended
blue
box
program
plan,
so
I'm
not
gonna,
be
able
to
cover
everything
tonight.
I'm
gonna
go
through
this
quickly,
but
there's
a
lot
of
information
in
the
staff
report
as
well.
A
municipality
could
could
choose
to
transition
under
this
amended
blue
box
program
plan.
But
if
we
do
not
choose
to,
we
would
continue
to
receive
our
50%
funding,
which
is
in
place
right
now,
and
we
would
continue
to
get
that
until
the
resource,
recovery
and
circular
economy
Act
takes
full
effect
under
transition,
we
would
have.
J
We
would
have
the
first
right
to
choose
to
be
a
service
provider
to
provide
collection
in
our
community,
so
picking
up
blue
boxes
and
gray
boxes
as
we
do
today,
but
we
will
not
have
the
first
choice
to
provide
post
collection
services
and
post
collection
services
is
defined
as
really
everything
that
we
do
at
the
MuRF
everything
we
do
at
the
material
recovery
facility
in
Kingston
right
now.
We
may
not
have
the
choice
later
on
to
do
that.
Esso
is
saying
that
they
would
be
stewardship.
J
Ontario
SS,
oh
by
the
way,
would
be
responsible
for
some
promotion
and
education,
but
might
ask
the
city
to
help
them
with
that
they'll
cover
within
reason,
admin
costs.
Presumably,
though,
the
intent
is
that
a
hundred
percent
of
the
costs
would
be
covered
for
your
blue
box
program.
Of
course,
they're
gonna
want
us
to
enter
into
a
contract
with
them
and
tell
us
how
they
want
things
done
so
that
that's
a
that's
a
risk
to
the
the
city
as
well,
and
they
have
to
reach
a
75%
diversion
goal.
J
So
that's
quite
higher
than
what
the
current
blue
box
program
plan
is
set
at.
Sixty
percent
and
PPP
is
printed
paper
and
packaging,
so
collection.
If
we
chose
to
transition
the
city
would
we
would
have
a
choice
to
play
a
middleman,
so
on
one
side
we
would
have
a
contract
with
stewardship
Ontario.
They
would
tell
us
all
the
things
that
they
want
us
to
do
to
collect
they're,
obligated
blue
box
materials,
and
then
we
would
go
out
and
get
a
contractor
such
like.
J
We
do
today
for
parts
of
the
city
and
we
we
would
have
a
contract
with
them.
So
essentially
we
end
up
playing
a
middleman.
We
would
have
to
abide
by
stewardship,
Ontario's
terms
and
conditions.
They'd
have
certain
contamination
levels
subject
to
penalties,
and
they
would
likely
also
tell
us
in
that
contract
where
we
must
deliver
those
materials
for
post
collection
services.
J
The
province
of
course,
is
saying
that
it
has
to
still
be
convenient
and
there
should
be
no
disruption
to
Ontario
ends,
so
you
would
presume
that
the
service
would
stay
likely
the
same,
but
there
would
be
no
guarantee
for
us,
so
it
could
pose
a
big
risk
for
our
residents.
If
your
box
doesn't
get
collected,
you
call
the
city.
J
Right
now,
the
in
the
consultation
that
stewardship
Ontario
is
provided,
they're
saying
that
they
will
be
using
a
request
for
impressed
for
expression
of
interest,
followed
by
an
RFP
process
to
set
up
a
post
collection
network
in
the
province
and
the
city's
MuRF
may
or
may
not
play
a
role
in
that.
Even
if
the
city
chooses
to
provide
collection,
we
still
may
not
have
a
role
in
the
post
collection
network
and
they
might
be
telling
us
where
we're
sending
our
recyclables
to
pace
transition.
J
J
They
would
identify
evident
catchment
areas
and
establish
when
those
catchment
areas
will
be
eligible
to
transition,
and
then
that
will
be
up
to
the
municipalities
to
decide
whether
or
not
they
want
to
transition,
and
it
will
mostly
largely
what
will
enable
that
transition
is
what
your
contract
status
is
like
for.
Current
collection
and
post
collection
services,
so
where
are
we
today?
This
is
the
timeline
for
the
amended
blue
box
program
plan.
J
J
So
what
do
we
need
to
do
as
the
City
of
Kingston?
We
need
to
continue
to
provide
the
services,
as
we
do
today,
the
earliest
possible
date
that
any
municipality
would
be
able
to
transition,
but
we're
gonna
have
to
wait
until
our
catchment
date
is
revealed
after
the
minister
approves
a
plan
is
gonna
be
2020
or
2025,
so
we've
got
a
little
bit
of
time
still
to
be
watching
this
legislation
and
making
plans
wait
to
review
the
draft
amended
blue
box
program
plan
before
we
bring
forth
any
more
recommendations
to
this
committee.
E
J
Is
accurate
and
so
the
data
that
we
submit
there's
a
best
practice
section
of
that,
and
so
municipalities
have
to
be
doing
certain
key
strategies
and
trying
to
be
the
best
that
they
can
be
it's
not
all
just
based
on
cost
and
to
date,
Kingston
somewhere
since
2002,
we
first
started
to
get
funding.
Where
is
somewhere
between
42
and
47
percent
of
that
funding.
J
E
You
if
we
were
to
maintain
collection
as
a
municipal
service,
but
we
were
able
to
buy
into
the
proposed
program
well
that
actually
I'm
thinking
somebody
else
will
be
doing
the
marketing
of
the
materials.
Somebody
else
will
we'll
do
the
collection,
but
somebody
else
will
take
care
of
those
headaches
that
you
have
to
find
market
for
for
the
goods
after
we
separate
it,
and
will
it
be
pure
we'll
do
the
collection,
somebody
else
will
do
the
separation
and
the
marketing
is
that
accurate,
I
think.
J
It's
too
early
to
say
that
for
certain,
but
it
could
be
that
so
we'll
have
first
right
to
choose
whether
or
not
we
want
to
do
collection.
We
will
not
have
first
right
to
choose
if
we
want
to
do
MuRF,
processing
or
marketing
of
the
materials,
because
stewardship
Ontario
has
said
that
they
intend
to
do
a
request
for
expression
of
interest
followed
by
an
RFP
as
they
set
up
those
catchment
areas.
And
so
it's
detailed
in
my
report
that
you
know
we
could
respond
to
that.
J
Roi
is
the
city
of
kingston
and
say
what
we
can
do,
but
ultimately,
under
this
legislation
the
province
has
given
the
producers,
the
flexibility
to
choose,
how
they're
gonna
meet
their
targets
and
they'll
be
the
ones
that
get
to
decide
how
they
want
to
meet
that
goal
of
recovering
75%
of
the
PPP.
So
we
may,
or
we
we
may
not-
and.
E
J
Three-Year
chart
it
does
the
ministry.
We
voiced
our
frustration
as
municipalities
that
we
have
been
complying
and
operating
very
well
and,
in
fact,
most
of
us
have
very
high
diversion
rates
but
provincially
when
you
mix
residential
and
I
CI
together
we're
stuck
in
the
low
teens.
So
we're
not
really
the
problem
area,
but
we
seem
to
be
always
the
first
one
that
they
want
to
tackle
and
reach
out
to.
J
A
D
So
there's
there
seems
to
be
a
rather
restricted
number
of
options
that
will
be
open
to
the
municipality,
so
I'm
just
wondering
how
staff
feels
about
that.
Like
do
you
think
we
should
be
doing
that
collection,
sometimes
I
think
yes,
sometimes
I'm,
not
quite
sure
what
you're
thinking,
maybe
I'm,
not
sure,
and
just
because
you
don't
we've
been
listening
this
for
what
three
years
at
least
right
so
a
little
bit
more.
D
Is
there
to
be
told
each
time,
but
nothing
really
definitive
so
I'm,
just
wondering
I
mean,
as
you
said
earlier,
that
you're
come
I
think
you
were
saying
that
you're
concerned
about
you,
know
customer
service
and
what
the
standard
would
be
and
for
that
reason,
I
sort
of
derived
that
you
really
wouldn't
want
to.
Let
go
of
that
because
you're
apprehensive
but
of
the
system
would
go
if
it
was
left
in
the
hands
the
producers
antara.
J
I
think
it's
still
too
early
to
tell
for
certain
I
think
I've
highlighted
the
risk
that
if
we
chose
to
be
a
service
provider
for
collection
that
we
would
have
more
control
over
the
service
level
that
we're
providing
to
our
customer.
There
would
be
more
accountability
for
the
customer
to
rely
on
the
municipality
providing
that
service.
J
If
my
garbage
isn't
picked
up
on
my
green
bin,
I
call
one
number,
but
if
I
have
an
issue
with
my
blue
box
or
my
gray
box,
I
have
to
call
another
number
and
I
think
that
that
would
create
a
lot
of
frustration.
And
so
it's
still
too
early,
because
I
I
want
to
have
more
details
on
what.
Perhaps
a
contract
would
look
like
between
a
municipality
in
stewardship
Ontario
for
the
city
to
become
a
service
provider.
J
But
I
I
think
that
you
know
it
doesn't
mean
that
if
we
chose
to
be
a
service
provider
at
the
time
of
transition
that
we
have
to
always
be
a
service
provider,
so
you
might
be
a
service
provider
for
seven
years
and
I,
say
seven
years,
because
that's
a
typical
length
of
a
contract
for
recycling
collection.
That's
usually
when
your
trucks
mature
and
you
have
replacement.
J
So
during
that
time.
If
there
were
other
municipalities
that
chose
not
to
be
a
service
provider
or
a
middleman,
we
could
learn
from
their
lessons
and
decide
at
that
time.
If
okay
is
now
the
right
time
for
Kingston
to
not
provide
this
the
recycling
service,
because
the
producers
are
providing
a
superior
service.
So
this
did
happen
out
in
British.
D
Guess
that
provokes
think
the
situation
in
Toronto
when
they
privatized,
half
the
city
and
it
doesn't
seem
to
have
really
done
anything
like
it,
certainly
doesn't
cost
less
the
private
service
and
I
don't
think
the
service
is
any
better
and
maybe
worse
in
some
ways,
which
was
they
might
be
kind
of
predictable,
but
as
it
being
found
out
in
those
states
in
different
places.
So
do
you
think
it
would
look
like
that
I'm.
B
Yeah
I
have
a
question
about
catchment
areas.
It
doesn't
you
didn't
say
and-
and
it's
because
it
hasn't
been
said-
but
early
on
in
the
process,
they
will
look
at
evident
catchment
areas,
knowing
the
geography
of
Kingston
and
how
we
are
not
close
to
any
other
large
urban
areas,
and
we
are,
for
example,
I
work
at
the
Regional
Hospital,
which
is
the
only
level
3
Regional
Hospital
between
the
GTA
and
Ottawa,
and
therefore
our
sort
of
catchment
area
for
the
hospital
is
the
is
the
whole
Eastern
Ontario
region.
J
To
some
extent,
yes,
the
producers
did
a
blue
box,
optimization
study
in
2012,
so
they
commissioned
that
study
because
they
wanted
to
understand
how
waste
was
moving
throughout
different
regional
areas
of
the
province
and
I.
Believe
the
province
was
split
into
five
or
six
areas,
so
there's
no
guarantee
that
they're
gonna
use
those
again,
but
we
know
that
they
have
that
data.
It's
really
old.
At
this
point,
though,
people's
waste
people's
recycling
could
be
going
elsewhere,
but
we
do
feel
like
there's.
J
It's
probably
gonna
be
Eastern
Ontario,
but
I,
don't
know
where
the
dividing
lines
are
going
to
be.
The
the
previous
catchment
area
was
I,
think
the
cutoff
was
Quinte
West
and
then
it
was
everything
east
of
that
was
considered.
Eastern
Ontario,
probably
up
until
included
all
of
Renfrew
County
and
stopped
there,
including.
B
K
H
You
mr.
chair
and
thank
you
for
the
report
and
the
briefing
really
very
informative
learned
a
lot
from
this,
and
we
found
one
one
question,
certainly
in
different
parts
right
now,
we're
into
a
period
of
NAFTA
renegotiation
right,
Canada,
u.s.
and
Mexico
have
had
trade
agreements
in
place
since
the
90s
and
they're
being
looked
at
in
detail,
get
a
lot
of
reports
on
this
in
the
media,
and
this
might
be
something
that
may
come
under
a
new
NAFTA
I.
H
H
H
So
I
appreciate
moistly
about
that
and
I'm
just
wondering
like
which
American
state
and/or
Canadian
province
is
the
furthest
advance
in
this.
Is
it
Bruce
Columbia
in
Canada,
or
we're
trucking
in
from
on
or
New
Hampshire
or
Massachusetts,
or
some
like
that,
because
I'd
like
to
know
that,
so
we
can
look
at
what
they
are
doing.
H
Sure,
okay,
so
I'm
doing
off
in
Texas
sure,
what's
up
just
in
terms
of
like
a
wider
perspective
on
where
we
stand,
because
we're
putting
a
lot
of
good
thinking
into
this
right,
I'm
really
impressed
at
the
detail
sophistication
by
the
presentation
so
just
like
the
normal
sort
of
where
we're
going
and
we're
gonna
stand
you're
aware
of
that.
But
just
in
that
context,
so
thanks.
B
K
Ahead,
so
the
the
response
to
the
questions
about
NAFTA
and
us
in
comparison
with
other
states.
Unfortunately,
we
can't
respond
to
that
I
think,
as
Miss
Roberts
pointed
out
the
work
that
we
are
doing
or
I
guess
I
should
say
she
is
doing.
The
report
tonight
really
is
being
driven
by
the
province
of
Ontario
trying
to
move
forward
on
this,
and
we
will
continue
to
to
monitor
that
I
think
it's
always
good
to
be
aware
of
what's
going
on
in
the
world
around
us,
but
in
all
honesty
we
have
not.
K
J
J
Unfortunately,
the
data
that
we
submit
to
the
province
it
takes
them
while
to
go
through
that,
because
they
have
to
assess
all
municipalities
and
do
the
calculations
for
all
municipalities
and
compare
each
other
so
we're
third
in
the
province
with
a
sixty
point,
nine
percent.
So
almost
one
percent,
which
is
amazing
and
I'm
so
proud
of
the
community
and
proud
of
my
staff
and
we're
doing
some
celebrations
at
the
end
of
the
year
and
hope
to
continue
that
celebration
and
include
council
and
other
members
of
the
public
in
the
new
year.
J
So
we
are
third
in
the
province,
so
I
can't
specify
or
I
guess,
compared
to
other
jurisdictions
outside
of
Ontario
I.
Think
that
that's
excellent.
The
province
has
a
goal
of
60%
or
65%
waste
diversion
for
the
entire
province
and
they're
nowhere
near
achieving
that
the
latest
waste
diversion
rate
for
the
entire
province
I
think
is
16
percent,
which
includes
residential
and
I,
see
and
I.
J
B
Thank
you
do
remember
the
public
who
felt
necessary
to
break
the
rules
of
conduct
it
is.
It
is
quite
exciting,
though,
and
and
thank
you
for
what
you're
doing
and
it's
nice
to
know
that
we're
third
in
the
province
now
that
was
an
information
report,
but
comment
further
comment
is,
is
allowed
at
this
point.
Councillor
hutchinson.
D
Well,
I
do
think:
that's
pretty
wonderful.
The
we
passed
a
motion,
I
think
was
councillor
meals.
Motion
can't
remember
exactly
when
and
last
year
to
about
setting
a
parameter,
a
criteria
for
increasing
our
waste
diversion
and
I'm,
just
wondering
where
the
60
61
percent
leaves
us
in
regard
to
that.
They
can't.
D
J
Through
your
chair,
our
goal
is
to
have
a
60%
waste
diversion
rate
by
2018,
so
the
goal
was
set
for
the
end
of
term
for
this
council
and
our
longer
range
goal
is
65
percent.
My
recommendation
right
now
is
I'd
like
to
see
that
60
percent
stabilized
ensuring
that
some
of
the
data
that
goes
into
that
that
we
don't
move
ahead
too
quickly
to
set
a
65
percent
if
something
changes
with
the
way
that
the
calculations
are
done
by
the
province.
B
So
we
are,
according
to
our
own
numbers,
past
the
target
that
we
set
based
on
our
revised
target
for
2018.
That
was
the
the
motion
might
be
California
you're
talking
about
it
was
at
this
committee
and
it
was
to
specifically
align
it
with
the
term
of
Council,
so
we're
at
that
already
in
2017,
so
great
job,
yes,
Rosanna.
Thank.
L
B
I
Through
you,
mr.
chair,
the
report
before
you
is,
is
intended
to
update
you
on
the
double
the
tree
canopy
initiative.
There
was
a
requirement
that
we
bring
an
update
back
to
this
committee
and
we
we've
done
that
and
we've
included
in
it
as
reference
some
of
the
other
major
forestry
related
programs
that
we
have
underway
and
have
had
underway
for
some
time
they
all
sort
of
fit
together
and
they
all
in
one
way
or
another
support
the
urban
forest
management
plan
that
we
developed
quite
some
time
ago,
back
I
think
around
2011
there.
I
The
thing
that
you've
included
in
this
report
is
there
was
a
suggestion
brought
forward
to
us
by
two
of
the
councillors
here
tonight
that
earlier
this
year
that
we
undertake
to
do
an
assessment
of
our
young
recently
planted
trees,
and
we
did
that
assessment
this
this
past
season
and
we're
presenting
those
findings
at
the
end
of
this
report
as
well.
So
it's
kind
of
killing
two
birds
with
one
stone
but
I
think
it's
all
a
good
news
story.
I
B
I
B
L
Thank
you
through
you,
mr.
chair,
thanks,
very
much
for
this
report
and
for
doing
the
assessment
of
the
young
trees
for
the
last
three
years.
So,
on
page
nine,
where
you
talk
about
Taylor
Kidd
near
the
valley,
land
plantings
is
that
Taylor
kid
in
Centennial
Drive
along
the
railway
tracks,
so
between
Centennial
Drive
and
Princess
Street.
I
L
Is
there
any
chance
of
planting
trees
along
the
north
side
of
Taylor
Kidd
there,
because
Taylor
kid
doesn't
have
plans
to
go
to
four
lanes
right
or
that
would
be
six
lanes
right
now.
It's
two
lanes
on
either
side.
So
when
you
look
at
the
north
side,
a
taylor,
kid
from
princess
street,
basically
all
the
way
through
to
gardener's
Road,
there's
no
trees
at
all
along
there
and
it
would
just
be
nice
to
plant
trees.
You
know
just
for
the
aesthetic
appearance
of
Taylor
kid
along
there.
I
See
you,
mr.
chair
with
the
desire
to
meet
they
double
the
tree,
canopy
goal
by
2025.
We
look
we're
looking
at
the
entire
length
of
Taylor
Kidd,
both
sides
and
looking
out
or
looking
for
appropriate
places
that
we
could
plant
trees.
We
would
have
to
do
that
in
conjunction
and
consultation
with
engineering
to
make
sure
that
none
of
the
trees
that
were
we
intend
to
plant
are
going
to
impact
the
they
traveled.
E
I
L
You
a
second
question
I
have
is
about
table
B,
so
for
the
dead
trees,
how
did
they
get
replanted
then,
like?
How
does
how
does
that
work?
Do
we
replant
like
if
a
tree
is
assessed
dead
in
the
year
of
2017?
Does
it
get
replanted
by
the
fall
of
2017
or
2018
like?
Are
we
definitely
making
sure
that
all
the
trees
that
don't
survive
are
being
replaced?
L
I
You,
mr.
chair,
yes,
absolutely
where
we
will
be
replanting,
those
dead
trees.
They
didn't
make
the
fall
2017
planting
program
because
we,
by
the
time
we
had
the
assessment
done
we'd
already
completed
the
planning
for
the
2017
fall
planting,
but
they
will
be
planted
either
in
the
spring
or
the
fall
of
the
2018
yeah.
Okay,.
L
Okay,
thanks
because
there's
definitely
dead
trees
along
the
stormwater
management
pond
of
cataract.
We
woods,
drive
I've,
sent
mark
Campbell
many
emails
about
that,
and
so
that
brings
to
my
next
question
so
for
the
trees
like
in
these
numbers
and
everything.
Where
are
the
trees
that
have
been
planted
in
new
subdivisions
such
as
Woodhaven
right,
which
is
Cataraqui
west?
So
for
the
trees
along
cap,
woods
Drive
that
are
dead?
Are
they
factored
into
these
numbers?
L
I
I
As
you
stated,
most
of
those
are
under
two
year
warranty
and
when
that
warranty
expires,
our
tree
inspector
goes
in
and
does
a
an
assessment
of
those
plantings
for
each
individual
development,
and
at
that
time
we
will
consider
when
we,
if
we
find
trees
there
that
are
dead,
then
you
know
and
it's
beyond
the
warranty
period.
We
will
work
them
into
our
replanting
plans
for
either
the
spring
or
fall
planting,
but
typically
for
the
fall
planting.
I
L
But
I
do
think
it's
important
just
so
like
for
those
trees
on
bathrobe,
for
instance,
add
on
Centennial,
Drive,
south
side
up
to
the
creeks
that
were
dead
for
so
many
years.
And
then
you
know
that
they
were
replaced
just
to
keep
track
of
what's
happening
and
for
the
public
to
know
where
the
replacement
trees
are
going.
So
I
think
that's
something
that
Council
has
to
direct
for
the
future.
I
C
I
L
Three
mr.
chair,
my
last
question
is
where
you
say
that
it's
hard
to
find
trees
hard
to
find
spots
to
plant
trees,
right
and
I
think
we're
trying
to
think
of
where
we're
gonna
plant
all
of
the
2018
trees.
I.
Think
there's,
like
1500
I,
think
the
report
said
a
thousand
of
which
will
be
new
plantings
in
the
fall
because
500
will
be
planted
in
the
spring.
L
I
would
like
to
see
if
we
pick
at
public
input
so,
for
instance,
I
had
a
resident
last
year
who
asked
if
I'm
some
Street
trees
could
be
planted
in
Highgate
Creek,
High
Gates
Drive
right,
which
is
an
established
area,
subdivisions
40
years
old
and
I.
Think
staff
we're
going
to
try
to
plant
a
couple
of
trees.
This
past
fall
right
in
response
to
that
residents.
L
So
maybe
maybe
maybe
some
residents
have
ideas
where
we
could
try
to
plant
trees
and
of
course,
then
staff
can
assess
to
see
if
that's
actually
possible,
but
I
think
we
should.
You
know,
through
the
communications
department,
do
an
email
out
and
you
know,
have
an
email
address
where
people
could
recommend
where
trees
could
go,
because
that
might
be
an
area
that
we,
you
know,
there's
only
so
many
staff
there's
a
hundred
and
twenty-five
thousand
residents.
Maybe
some
of
those
residents
have
an
idea
that
we
haven't
thought
of.
I
I
All
those
locations
need
to
be
assessed
for
underground
and
overhead
utilities,
and
when
we
spoke
to
some
of
the
challenges
we
have
with
finding
locations,
there
are
some
places
where
there's
a
suitable
location
to
plant
a
tree,
but
the
adjacent
property
owner
doesn't
necessarily
want
it
there
so
and
then,
when
one
of
the
things
we
have
found
recently
is
in
some
of
the
park
plantings
that
we've
proposed,
there
has
been
concern
that
we're
using
up
too
much
of
the
open
space.
So
we
have
to.
I
We
have
to
balance
that
open
space
need
with
planting
trees
as
well,
so
it
it
takes
a
lot
of
legwork
to
to
find
those
locations
and
verify
that
they're
a
good
spot
to
to
plant
and
then
decide
which
what
type
of
tree
is
best
suited
for
that
location.
So
one
of
the
other
things
we've
found
is
is
to
sort
of
to
ensure
the
survivability
is,
is
to
put
the
right
type
of
tree
in
the
right
conditions
and
in
the
right,
soil
and
and
whatnot.
I
So,
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
has
to
go
into
planning
the
planting
programs
and
often
it's
it's
hard
to
get
the
staff
time
to
find
enough
locations
to
to
meet
the
demand
that,
where
are
the
numbers
of
trees
that
we're
proposing
to
plant.
So
but
absolutely
we
welcome
input
from
the
public
and
and
we
get
there
to
assess
it
as
as
soon
as
we
could.
Depending
on
the
program,
we
have
Thanks.
L
L
You
know
if
they're
having
a
soccer
summer
camp,
for
example-
and
it's
really
hot
like
two
summers
ago-
there's
nowhere
shady
for
them
to
go
in
the
break
time
and
just
as
a
comparison
on
that
I
dug
up
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
so
for
Ottawa
they're
planting
in
2018
in
their
budget,
one
hundred
and
twenty
five
thousand
trees.
So
when
I
saw
our
18
thousand
trees
over
the
last
two
years,
I
thought
that
was
a
great
number
and
it
is
a
good
number.
L
So
nine
thousand
trees
a
year
but
a
photo
was
ten
times
our
size.
Then
that
is
ninety
thousand
trees
equivalent
to
a
hundred
and
twenty
five
thousand
trees.
Ottawa's
trying
to
live
up
to
that
and
I.
Don't
know
that
1
billion
tree
I
don't
know
that
the
UNESCO
United
Nations
challenge,
so
they
put
it
in
because
of
the
emerald
ash
borer,
so
yeah
we
definitely
have
to
still
keep
up
with
the
tree
planting
that
we're
doing,
but
thanks
very
much.
B
E
Yes,
a
couple
of
things:
I
want
to
thank
Public,
Works
I
know
that
in
both
the
Opie
and
in
the
Williamsville
corridor
study
we
have
some
green
streets,
Alfred,
Frontenac,
Albert
and
I
believe
maybe
Nelson
as
well
have
been
identified
and
I've
noticed.
Several
trees
have
been
planted
along
Alfred
most
recently
and
I
really
appreciate
that.
The
other
thing
is
I
noted
that
the
it
wasn't
just
city
staff
that
were
doing
the
planting.
It's
it
was
a
contractor
and
I
know
for
us
to
be
able
to
meet
our
very
ambitious
goals.
E
It's
beyond
the
capacity
of
just
our
own
staff
to
do
the
plantings
so
I
appreciate
that
in
the
parks
you
mentioned
and
you'll
never
get
a
complaint
out
of
me
about
planting
too
many
trees
in
a
park,
but
both
Memorial
Center,
Victoria,
Park
and
I.
Think
second
Avenue
had
some
tree
plantings
done
by
contractors
as
well
as
those
trees
along
Alfred.
Street.
Are
you
I
know
in
the
past,
there's
been
some
problems
with
just
outside
of
warranty,
trees
dying.
E
I
I
Every
time
it's
gone
out,
we
different
things
come
to
light,
so
we
add
in
more
things
to
make
sure
that
the
contractor
does
it
properly,
but
the
trees
once
planted
that
they're
ours.
So
there
isn't,
there
isn't
a
warranty
on
them
like
there
is
for
the
development
trees
there.
It's
it's
our
responsibility
to
make
sure
that
the
contractor
plants
them
properly
and
and
then
we
look
after
them
from
there
and
I.
I
Think
if
you
look
at
the
the
survival
rate
that
that
we
saw
in
our
assessment
of
those
young
trees
over
the
planet
over
the
over
the
last
three
years
at
ninety
four
percent,
that's
a
that's
a
significant
number.
So
that
tells
us
that
several
things
it
tells
us
that
we're
we're
doing
a
good
job
with
our
contractors
to
make
sure
they're
planted
correctly.
I
It
tells
us
that
the
tree
watering
program
that
we
initiated
in
2016
was
successful.
We
put
a
lot
of
effort
into
watering
those
young
trees
and,
and
it's
reflected
in
that
95
percent
or
94
percent
survival
rate,
so
I
think
so.
Having
said
that,
before
this
wet
and
rainy
year
that
we
had,
we
had
developed
tree
watering
program
mapped
out
where
the
newly
planted
trees
were,
and
we
were
all
set
to
go
if
it
was
required.
I
So
we
decided
that
on
an
annual
basis,
as
we
plant
continue
to
plant
more
trees,
we
will
change
that
tree
watering
program
to
to
meet
that
those
three
year
tree
criteria
and
make
sure
that
each
spring
we
have
that
program
ready
to
go.
One
of
the
other
things
we're
doing
is
because
we're
we're
extending
it
into
doing
more
spring
plantings
and
that's
again,
a
capacity
issue
is
to
try
to
spread
out
the
planning
process
so
that
we
can
find
the
sites
and
get
the
plantings
in.
I
When
we
look
at
when
you
one
of
the
issues
with
planting
in
the
spring
is,
if
you
get
a
hot
dry
summer,
then
then
you've
got
those
trees.
There
that
don't
get
enough
water,
so
what
we're
looking
at,
adding
to
our
spring
planting
contract
requirement
is
for
a
period
of
watering
those
trees
initially
by
the
contractor.
So
that
will
add
some
cost
to
our
our
RFP.
But
we
feel
it's
it's
essential
to
help
those
young
trees
grow.
E
Thank
you
and
I've
had
two
very
I
have
to
say
odd
constituency,
complaints,
the
complaints
were,
ought
not
the
constituent,
but
the
the
one
complained
about
a
tree
being
planted
on
their
property
and
clearly
it
was
on
the
city
Boulevard.
The
other
complaint
was
they
planted
a
tree,
and
the
city
came
around
and
said
it
was
an
inappropriate
tree
and
they'd
have
to
take
it
down.
E
Is
it
possible
for
us
to
do
some
kind
of
greater
public
awareness
of
the
fact
that
everybody's
front
lawn,
even
if
they
cut
it
for
20
years,
isn't
there
necessarily
their
property?
We
also
get
complaints
when
a
sign
pole
gets
put,
put
up
for
a
parking,
signage,
that's
necessary,
and
people
inevitably
think
it's
being
done
on
their
property.
Why
is
the
city
doing
this?
Nobody
consulted
us.
What
kind
of
consultation
do
we
do
around
those
things.
I
Through
you,
your
mr.
chair,
good,
good
question,
we
actually,
when
are
planting
programs
get
underway
prior
to
that
we
do
social
media
feeds,
we
do
Twitter
feeds
and
and
when
we
go
into
an
area
to
start
planting
or
if
we're
going
into
an
area
to
start
removals,
we
do
door
hangers
on
every
house
that
that
either
is
going
to
have
a
a
tree
adjacent
to
their
yard
or
in
the
general
neighborhood.
We
do
a
blanket
cover
there.
I
have
one
in
here
somewhere
to
get
out
and
this
and
on
that
door,
hanger.
I
There's
a
lot
of
information.
We
speak
about
how
the
trees
work
hard
for
us.
We
tell
people
when
sort
of
generally
when
will
be
coming
coming
soon,
and
these
door
hangers
go
on
several
weeks
before
we
actually
get
there
to
start
to
plant
the
trees.
We
also
put
some
information
on
the
back
for
residents
who
care
to
do
so
for
for
caring
for
newly
planted
trees.
I
If
you
remember
also
a
few
years
back,
we
developed
a
tree
watering
Alert
program
for
those
short
period,
droughts
where
we
would
put
out
alerts
and
people
can
put
five
gallons
water
on
their
tree
once
a
week
and
just
to
help
it
survive
through
those
dry
periods.
So
all
of
that
kind
of
information
is
on
there
and
also
our
contact
information.
I
If,
if
they
have
questions
about
the
tree,
that's
going
to
be
in
front
of
their
yard,
or
this
is,
and
from
these
tree
hang
these
door
hangers
either,
and
some
of
the
resulted
in
some
of
the
requests
for
not
to
have
a
tree
in
that
location
and,
to
be
honest,
we,
although
it's
a
challenge
to
find
places,
we
do
try
to
accommodate
the
residents
request
and
not
put
a
tree
there.
If
they
absolutely
don't
want
it
chances
are
we
put
it
there?
I
It
might
not
survive
anyway,
despite
our
best
efforts,
if
they
don't
really
want
it
there.
So
we
try
to
work
with
the
public
and
put
them
where
they
would
like.
When
we're
planting
thousands
of
trees,
there
are
going
to
be
instances
where
there
would
be
there.
We
disagreements
about
where
the
property
line
is
we
get
those
even
when
we're
pruning,
trees
or
doing
maintenance.
I
So
it's
it
to
have
a
couple
of
questions
like
that.
It
is
not
uncommon,
but
staff
will
go
to
each
one
and
explain
the
situation
to
the
residents.
Our
forestry
staff
are
very
adept
at
that.
So,
if
any
of
those
come
those
questions
come
forward
to
you
by
all
means.
Please
forward
to
them
to
us,
and
we
can.
We
can
go
back
and
talk
to
the
resident
again,
if
needs
be.
I
I
Do
you,
mr.
chair,
so
in
the
in
the
information
report,
we
speak
about
the
silver
maple
program
that
we
have
for
the
Aged
Street
trees.
We
have
and
we
talked
about
the
emerald
ash
borer
program,
which
is
a
very
significant
undertaking
for
us
and
some
of
the
other
things
that
we're
doing
in
the
forestry
sector
so
with
the
emerald
ash
borer
program
it.
I
To
be
honest,
it
has
taken
up
a
lot
of
our
capacity
to
our
staff
capacity
to
manage
that
those
removals
and
we've
been
sort
of
where
we're
as
you'll
see
in
the
report
are
our
numbers
going
forward
for
planting
for
the
double
the
tree.
Canopy
are
going
to
increase.
So
we
feel
that
that
we
have
sufficient
capital
funds
for
at
least
2018,
but
when
we
get
into
2019,
then
the
emerald
ash
borer
program
is
starting
to
taper
off
and
we'll
be
putting
more
of
our
staff
effort
into
the
double
the
tree.
G
G
There
was
a
really
good
article
on
the
radio
recently
calling
urban
trees,
the
street
kids
of
the
tree
world,
because
we're
planting
them
we're
telling
them
where
to
grow,
there's
nothing
natural
about
it.
We
try
to
create
a
natural
environment
so
that
they
can
grow,
but
really
they
didn't
drop
an
acorn
and
come
up.
We've
we've
told
them
what
to
do,
and
you
know
where
to
be
so
it's
a
little
tougher
for
them.
G
This
is
sort
of
well.
The
the
next
question
is
as
we're
increasing
the
urban
canopy.
Does
your
budget
and
I'm
not
even
sure
how
you
could
work?
This
include
the
maintenance
because,
of
course,
every
large
tree
that
the
city
owns.
If
there's
any
kind
of
damage
or
problems,
you
know,
you'll
have
to
factor
in
taking
care
of
them
and
the
maintenance
of
streets
as
we
have
more
and
more
trees
and
then
the
massive
number
of
leaves
that
drop,
and
they,
you
know
foul
up
the
storm
drains
every
fall.
I
Do
you,
mr.
chair,
as
of
yet
we
haven't,
we
know
that.
That's
that's!
Coming
right!
Now,
the
majority
of
the
trees
that
we
planted
aren't
even
the
larger
caliper
caliper
trees
that
we
planted.
They
aren't
having
a
significant
impact
as
of
yet,
however,
on
a
go-forward
basis,
there
are
growing
tree
pruning
schedules
and
practices
that
that
we
will
need
to
initiate.
I
But
yes,
on
a
go-forward
basis,
as
as
these
30,000
trees
we're
gonna
plant
in
the
next
between
now
and
2025,
as
they
start
to
mature,
there
will
be
more
demands
for
for
maintenance
and
on
the
trees
themselves,
and
typically
it
will
increase
the
fall
leaf,
sweeping
programs
and
and
just
trimming
and
pruning
and
whatnot.
So,
yes,
there
will
be
an
increase
in
in
operating
budgets
required
on
a
go-forward
basis.
We're
not
there
yet,
but
will
beginning
there
pretty
soon,
as
these
young
trees
start
to
need
a
five-year
or
ten-year
prunings.
G
So,
maybe
if
climate
change
is
a
big
part
of
the
push
from
the
council,
that
could
be
a
way
that
we
could
actually
combat
climate
change.
You
know
in
a
managed
way
that
doesn't
involve
such
an
incredible
intensity
of
work
first
to
deal
with
individual
homeowners
and
individual
locations,
a
thought
Thanks.
So.
D
I
To
you,
mr.
chair,
the
intent
is
to
add
that
number
of
trees
to
the
to
the
canopy,
if
you
will
so
these
are
additional
trees
on
a
go-forward
basis
as
we
as
we
lose
some
of
those
young
trees,
they
are
replaced
as
we
remove
the
ash
that
we
have
as
part
of
the
emerald
ash,
borer
programs,
those
are
replaced
and
they
aren't
added
to
they.
They
aren't
added
to
the
the
net
new
trees
so
the
same
with.
I
D
Good
I
just
want
to
be
sure
that
that
what
the
understanding
was
there
and
if
the
CRC
ace
seedlings
that
are
planted,
are
they
all
in
the
in
the
either
the
rural
or
urban
City
of
Kingston?
And
because
it
seems
to
me,
then
CRC
a
must
be
planting
many
more
trees
than
that,
because
there
are
other
jurisdictions
in
locations
where
they
might
do
that.
To.
I
I
If
you
will,
which
sort
of
speaks
to
the
former
councillors
notion
thereof,
of
looking
at
buying
unused
land
or
adding
to
our
municipal
grounds
and
and
planting
trees
there,
so
we
planned
in
several
thousand
there
and
we
also
planted
another
several
thousand
at
the
where
in
the
vicinity
of
our
snow
dump
off
per
throat
there
between
just
that
backs
on
to
the
crc
a
property
there.
The
next.
We
also
planted
a
number.
I
So
we're
looking
at
at
all
the
different
options
we
can
and
a
lot
of
that
discussion
has
has
been
generated
from
the
work
that
we've
done
with
the
CRC
a
on
these
seedling
plantings.
The
seedling
plantings
program
is
sponsored
by
forests
Ontario.
It's
a
very
economical
program.
It
helps
the
CRC
a
with
with
their
goals
and
we're
we're
talking
to
them.
Now.
I
It's
also
there's
a
some
warranty
on
those
seedlings
as
well,
so
as
they
die
off
in
the
first
year
or
two
or
I,
think
it's
may
even
you
Center
three
years
they
will
replant
those
seedlings
and
we're
in
discussions
with
them
now
to
sort
of
maybe
develop
some
some
programs
that
will
help
more
of
those
seedlings
to
survive
a
little
bit
longer.
So
it's
where
we're
kind
of
we're
not
putting
all
our
eggs
in
one
basket.
I
And
when
we
look
at
the
seedlings
they're,
looking
at
potentially
as
they're
telling
us
a
60
percent
survival
rate
to
at
least
10
years,
then
as
those
trees
continue
to
grow,
they
will
they
will
squeeze
each
other
out.
But
the
end
result
at
the
end
of
ten
years.
Is
you
you're
gonna,
have
a
good
number
of
good-sized
trees
growing
in
those
groves?
So
it's
a
it's
a
very
inexpensive
way
to
sort
of
ensure
that
at
the
ten
year
point
where
we're
gonna
have
a
good
diversity
of
Ages
of
trees.
I
We're
gonna
have
a
good
number
of
trees
in
the
urban
area,
as
we
work
out
of
the
EAB
program,
we'll
we'll
shift
our
focus
on
more
of
those
urban
areas.
That's
why
we're
looking
at
the
the
sports
fields,
facilities
and
some
of
those
bigger
parks
we're
there.
As
council
presiding
noted,
there
there's
very
little
shade.
We've
been
approached
by
some
neighbors
on
some
of
those
parks
that
have
requested
that
we
put
some
trees
there,
and
so
we
we
jumped
on
that.
I
D
I'm,
not
sure
how
I
feel
about
that.
But
when
you're
planting
thousands
of
trees,
who's
got
time
to
stop
and
argue
with
somebody
so
I
look
at
right,
you
might
have
planted
two
trees
one
the
time
you
had
the
argument
so
but
my
question
is
how
how
many
of
those
objections
do
you
get
I'm
sure
you
get
them
that's
sort
of
as
a
percent
with
I'm
not
asking
to
be
accurate.
I
Our
staff
actually
have
18
addresses
where,
though,
where
we
were
asked
not
to
plant
a
tree
so
of
the
the
the
thousands
of
trees
we
planted
in
the
urban
area
this
this
year
we
only
had
18
refusals
so
you're,
absolutely
right.
It's
it.
We're
we're
better
off
to
keep
the
residents
happy
and
go
and
find
another
spot
as
opposed
to
spending
our
time
trying
to
convince
them
to
have
a
tree.
They
may
at
some
point
change
their
mind
once
they
see
how
their
neighbors
trees
are,
are
looking
and
decide.
I
They
want
one
of
their
own,
but
everybody
has
their
own
opinions
on
whether
or
not
they
want
a
tree.
Some
people
don't
like
to
rake
leaves
I,
but
anyway
we're
for
us.
We
we
want
to
keep
the
residents
happy
and
it
it's
really
a
very
small
percentage
of
of
the
trees
that
were
planting.
So
it's
it's
not
really
worth
the
effort
to
try
to
argue
with
them
to
convince
them
to
to
have
a
tree.
D
D
D
So
I'm
wondering
if
that
can
be
done
on
this
on
the
on
the
urban
streets
when
we
have
to
take
one
out-
and
we
know
I
have
a
program
where
we
plant
another
one
and
I
think
mr.
ventures.
Thinking
about
oh
I,
don't
know,
I,
understand
it's
complicated,
but
beneath
the
tree,
there's
usually
it
for
some
species,
there's
a
big
top
root
and
it
goes
down.
D
I
However,
even
though
there
may
have
been
a
100
year
old,
silver
maples
in
a
location
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
that
it's
the
right
location
to
put
a
tree
back
in
so
we
we
do
an
assessment
on
all
those
locations.
We
make
best
efforts
to
replant
in
the
general
vicinity
of
where
a
large
mature
tree
like
that
has
been
removed,
because
what
our
goal
is
is
to
have
a
diverse
species
and
diverse
ages,
spread
throughout
the
that
urban
core
area.
I
So
we
don't
end
up
in
in
another
hundred
years
with
a
bunch
of
hundred
year
old
trees,
they're
all
the
same
age,
and
you
know
I'll
have
to
be
taken
out
so
we're
trying
to
spread
that
out
when
we
remove
those
large
silver
maples
in
the
downtown
area.
We
also
grind
the
stump
stone
to
to
get
that
out
of
the
way,
and,
typically,
what
we
will
do
is
we
will
late.
We
will
wait
several
years
until
some
of
the
remainder,
that's
in
that
still
below
the
ground,
has
softened
up
and
and
dispersed
before.
I
We
replant
at
that
location
that
that
that
provides
the
newly
planted
tree
the
better
opportunity
to
to
survive.
We
are
looking
at
a
little
bit
different
options
for
McBurney
Park,
but
that's
that
is
partly
a
cost
issue
just
because
of
the
archaeological
costs
associated
with
trying
to
plant
in
that
spot.
I
D
To
that,
how
many
years
do
you
use?
Do
we
have
a
list
of
these
locations
and
how
many
years
do
we
usually
wait?
I'm
thinking
of
the
one
there
was
the
step
near
York
and
bury
that
rename
came
down.
It
was
the
size
of
a
tree,
looks
like
this
right
and
it
took
out
three
stacks:
okay,
because
it
took
down
the
wires
and
everything
and
it
was
examined.
You
know
this
tree
has
got
to
go
and
it
was
removed
and
you
can't
see
a
trace
of
it.
D
So
you
do
exactly
as
you
say
so,
I
don't
know
if
it's
an
appropriate
spot,
but
somewhere
near
there
should
be
an
appropriate
spot.
I,
don't
know
if
the
people
want
it
or
not.
I
know
one
of
the
people.
There
probably
would.
But
you
know,
that's
a
whole
other
issue.
So
how
long
would
you
wait?
Do
you
have
a
list
and
locations
and
now
long,
would
you
wait
to
replace.
I
I
So
he
has
those
lists
and
we
use
that
each
year
when
we
were
looking
at
developing
our
our
planting
program
for
the
year
and
just
but
just
as
you,
some
of
the
items
you
you
walk
to
there
there's
there's
a
lot
of
different
factors
that
play
into
when
and
where
and
what
type
of
tree
should
go
to
go
back
in
or
or
be
replaced
at
those
different
locations.
So
we
look
at
all
those
factors,
or
at
least
our
tree
inspector
and
his
helpers.
Look
at
all
those
factors
when
we're
making
those
planting
plans.
I
So
that's
kind
of
the
long
answer.
The
short
answer
is
yes:
we're
we're
removing
those
trees.
At
some
point,
we
are
going
to
put
a
tree
back
in
I.
Don't
have
that
schedule,
but
our
tree
inspector
has
that
list
of
all
those
locations
and
he
he
helps
us
plan
for
when's
the
best
time
to
put
a
tree
back
in
that
spot.
D
B
B
First
of
all,
the
report
does
a
really
good
job
of
explaining
the
diversity
that
you've
been
talking
about
about
the
approach,
the
various
different
sort
of
pots
or
different
types
of
trees,
different
types
of
programs-
and
if
you
just
look
at
the
first
table
table
a
I
mean
it
immediately
jumps
out
at
you
that
the
biggest
number
is
the
seedlings.
But
then,
when
you
read
the
report,
you
and
you
know
you
see
its
seedlings-
you
see
the
60%
survival
which,
by
the
way,
is
actually
quite
good
for
seedlings.
That
doesn't
say
that
in
the
report.
B
B
Thirty
thousand
number
UV.
That
would
be
the
easiest
most
practical
way
to
get.
The
number
of
the
volume
number
in
we're
aware
of
the
views
are
trees.
This
big
that
won't
be
at
the
size
of
the
large
caliper
ones.
For
ten
years
so
and
and
then
they
will,
they
will
encroach
on
each
other
and
although
we
further
die
off
like
you
were
mentioning,
so
it's
a
different
ball
of
wax.
So
that's
why
you
have
to
have
a
mixture
and
I'm
very
happy
that
that
staff
has
taken
that
diverse
approach.
B
I
do
have
a
question
about
about
something
that
you've
already
mentioned,
but
just
I
want
to
sort
of
answer
it
in
a
high
level.
So
I
don't
know
if
it'll
be
mr.
wells,
sir
or
mr.
Kator,
who
wants
to
answer
this,
but
in
the
tree
watering
program
specially
for
the
young
trees.
If
you
look
at
that
table,
so
we've
already
sort
of
addressed
this
but
2016
1.75
percent
dead,
2017
spring
4.5%
dead
2016
was
the
year
of
the
drought.
B
2017
was
the
wet
year
that
was
this
year
was
wet
so
in
in
the
paragraph
below
it
says.
The
initiation
of
the
drought
protection
strategy
in
2016
in
the
implementation
of
regular
watering
schedules
of
the
young
trees
during
drought
conditions
were
key
factors
in
the
successful
survival
of
these
trees
is.
Is
that
all
that
explains
the
higher
survival
rate
in
a
dry
year?
Then
the
then
the
then
this
year
or
there
are
other
factors
that
were
not
mentioned
here
in
the
report.
I
To
you,
mr.
chair,
when
we
look
at
the
numbers
of
the
the
dead
trees
at
at
1.75,
even
to
4.5%,
compared
to
the
the
good
percentage
of
of
84.2
586
and
83%,
it's
it's
a.
You
could
almost
call
those
1.75,
2
and
4.5
with
the
same
number,
they're
they're,
they're,
very
low
they're
run
there
they're
below
5%,
which
is
for
us,
is
significant.
I
Why
that
is
I
like
other
than
what
staff
has
provided
in
the
report
here,
I
couldn't
say
specifically,
but
it
could
be,
it
could
depend
on
the
mix
of
trees
we
had.
It
does
mention
in
the
report
that
we
we
had
a
particular
problem
with
tulip
trees.
So
I
don't
know
what
the
numbers
of
tulip
trees
were
in
the
different
years,
for
instance.
So
these
are
these
are
these
are
living
things
planted
in
various
conditions
at
over
3
different
years,
and
it's
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
variances
in
in
what
may
have
happened.
I
I
think
what
this
really
tells
you
is
that
maintaining
that
low
percentage
for
the
trees
planted
in
2016
really
speaks
to
the
effort
that
we
put
into
watering
those
trees
in
2016.
If
we
hadn't
done
that
watering
program,
that
dead
percentage
for
2016
would
have
been
significant
and
hot
significantly
higher
and
would
have
been
the
outlier
for
or
different
from
from,
the
2017
number,
so
I
think.
That's
really
what
it
tells
us.
B
So,
and
there
was
many
things,
a
lot
of
effort
that
went
into
that
just
to
highlight
that
the
survival
rate
of
the
seedlings
is
much
lower.
6%
is
a
good
survival
rate,
but
it
is,
it
is
much
lower
than
95
and
and
but
the
95
percent
is
survival
rate
of
trees
that
cost
250
to
400
dollars
each.
So
the
when
you
lose
one
of
those.
The
cost
is
much
higher.
So
I'm
satisfied
that
the
rationale
is
there
for
continuing
the
tree
watering
program.
B
I'm
glad
that
that's
in
the
report
and
and
in
general,
although
clear
from
your
responses
that
you're
aware
the
staff
is
aware
of
the
challenge
ahead,
we
are
moving
in
in
the
right
direction
and
and
I
think
I
think
the
congratulations
are
in
order
for
the
good
the
hard
work
done
thus
far,
and
if
you
could
pass
that
on
to
your
staff,
I
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
E
A
Generally,
it's
the
practice
to
receive
questions
from
the
committee,
followed
by
comments
from
members
of
the
public,
and
then
committee
has
any
comments
again.
That's
generally
how
we
act,
including
at
Planning
Committee,
where
there
is
a
statutory
public
meeting.
If
it's
just
like
an
information
report
that
comes
forward
relating
to
a
internal
policy
or
something
along
with
mine,
finds
I.
B
Can
tell
the
vice-chair
that
I
can
review
the
committee
bylaw
before
our
next
meeting?
Have
another
look
for
myself:
I've
been
going
when
Kirk's
prompting
the
briefing
that
we
had
earlier
is
not
something
that
come
comes
from
public
or
in
order,
but
there
was
an
information
report
that
accompanied
the
briefing
and,
if
we
don't
allow
just.
This
is
just
my
personal
opinion.
If
we
don't
allow
public
comment
to
information
reports,
some
items
don't
get
any
other
type
of
agenda
item.
B
E
It
I
would
appreciate
if
you
check
the
rules
of
order,
because
in
other
committees
I
don't
think
we
acknowledge
that
and
there
and
it
there's
a
simple
rationale.
There
isn't
a
recommendation.
So
if
there's
any
questions
or
comments
that
can
be
shared
with
staff
and
members
of
the
committee
afterwards
and
it
doesn't
affect
the
okay.
B
H
Yeah
Thank
You
mr.
chair
for
the
privilege
so
once
again,
a
very
thorough
report
by
staff
and
excellent
answers
to
the
questions
from
the
committee
very
impressive
overall
I'm
gonna
focus
on
the
points
that
haven't
been
dealt
with
yet
and
I'm
going
to
start
with
ballpark
because
I'm
on
the
working
group
for
this-
and
there
was
a
20-17
tree
planting
program
there,
which
the
committee
had
input
into
and
I
guess
number
one
is
I,
don't
think
I,
don't
see
anything
on.
H
Belvoir
civically
I
think
it
would
be
beneficial
if
it
were
to
be
dealt
with
in
a
line
item,
because
various
factors
have
come
in
number
one.
As
the
committee
has
heard
and
discussed,
it
was
a
flood
year
and
staff
did
cut
back
on
the
plans
for
2017
plantings
at
ballpark
and
I
think
there
was
also
a
potential
flood
damage
to
trees
that
did
go
in
so
you
know
we
had
input
and
we
had
some
information,
but
I
would
like
to
see
more
on
the
survival
rate
at
ballparks.
H
Luckily,
for
2017
and
I
know
that
there
is
also
a
forthcoming
report
on
I
guess:
the
coastal
engineering
impact
of
floods
in
2017
from
a
specialized
engineering
firm-
that's
coming
soon,
so
a
ballpark
is
probably
part
of
that
and
the
reason
I
raise.
This
is
because
I
have
trouble
getting
answers
on
my
questions
around
insurance
with
respect
to
flood
damage
at
ballpark
and
I'm
wondering
do
we
have
an
insurance
policy
that
covers
damage
to
trees
that
have
gone
in
I
haven't
heard
that
one
come
up,
yeah
civically,
maybe
it's
the
provider
or
the
circumstance
involved?
H
Okay,
I!
Think
that's
really
enough.
On
ballpark,
just
going
along
with
some
of
the
suggestions
from
members
of
the
committee
on
locations.
I
may
have
said
some
of
us
before
can't
remember,
but
a
couple
that
I
thought
of
would
be
on
the
basically
renovated
expanded,
John,
Connor
Boulevard
corridor.
I
know
there's
still
a
lot
of
work
still
going
on
there,
the
overpass
over
the
rail
that
just
sort
of
looking
at
that
as
an
envelope
there
a
corridor
as
a
sort
of
a
plan
for
what
you
could
do
there
and
I
guess.
H
My
other
one
is
in
certain
of
the
industrial
parks.
People
don't
actually
live
there,
but
they
work
there.
People
are
talking
more
about.
They
want
to
have
trees
in
neighborhoods
where
they
live,
but
that
might
be
one
way
you
can
score
some
easy
points.
A
lot
of
space
out
there
I'm
wondering
if
the
tree
planting
program
could
be
coordinated
in
detail
with
the
waterfront
master
plan.
That
was
one
of
the
big
successes
of
staff
and
council
and
consultants
putting
that
together.
H
So
okay
on
this
next
question
is
there
was
discussion
around
the
emerald
ash
borer
program.
I,
don't
see
anything
specifically
in
the
report
talking
about
where
we
are
now
there's
3,500
or
so
trees
that
have
been
identified,
that
our
ash
that
probably
have
to
come
out
are
we
taking
all
of
them
out
and
sort
of?
Where
are
we
sort
of
at
the
end
of
2017?
On
that
program,
I
mean
it
is
ongoing,
so
appreciate
that
going
in
there
sorry.
H
B
H
H
If
you
have
a
program
for
that,
because
I
know
that
Keef
did
a
very
extensive
examination
and
report
on
the
ideal
species
for
the
Kingston
area,
so
this
would
be
a
very
good
feedback
for
that
to
see
if
it
is
fitting
in
with
the
work
that
they
did
so
again,
thanks
for
the
excellent
work
and
all
the
buses
for
future.
Thank
you
in.
B
K
So
I'll
start
the
the
first
questions
were
a
number
of
specific
questions
around
Bell
Park.
We
did
not
include
this
in
the
report
and
we
would
just
be
speculating
I
think
if
we
tried
to
answer
that
here,
that
that
is
run
by
another
department.
If
the
committee
would
like
us
to
provide
some
information
that
we
could
possibly
do
that
at
a
later
date
or
in
another
report,
so
I'll
leave
it
at
that
I
also
I'm
gonna
jump
ahead
to
the
loss
comment,
a
question
posed
and
the
mr.
K
Wallace
is
gonna
answer
the
ones
in
between,
and
it
was
a
comment
about
a
little
more
detailed
look
at
species
and
whatnot
and
I'm
gonna
take
there's
an
opportunity
actually
to
thank
a
couple
of
counselors
here
this
evening
who
met
with
mr.
wells
myself
and
some
staff.
At
that
point.
In
time
we
collectively
I
would
say,
decided
to
go
down
the
road
of
gathering
the
data
on
the
success
that
we
were
having
in
the
planting
of
the
trees.
K
To
help
us
I
would
say,
make
some
educated
decisions
on
how
we
go
forward,
and
this
was
a
first
stab
at
that
I
I.
Think
I
would
say
from
mr.
wells
and
myself
we
were
maybe
pleasantly
surprised,
I,
don't
think
we
were
shocked.
I
think
we
thought
this.
It
was
a
pretty
good
success,
but
I
would
say
that
we
were
a
bit
surprised.
We
have
listened
to
a
number
of
comments
here
tonight
about
expanding
the
data
that
work.
K
Other
departments
whatnot
looking
at
species
in
that
I
think
that's
something
we
can
include
in
this
ought
to
go
forward
basis
and
not
sitting
here,
making
commitments
as
to
what
that
will
exactly
be.
What
this
is
a
good
start,
and
we
will.
We
will
look
to
expand
that
over
the
number
of
years.
As
far
as
the
data
that
we
bring
back.
B
Thank
you.
Members
of
the
committee
have
one
final
opportunity
to
just
speak
to
the
item.
It
doesn't
need
to
be
questions.
This
is
the
procedure
I've
been
following
at
heritage
as
well.
Many
of
you
have
already
spoken,
I'm,
not
gonna,
say
anything
else,
but
you
have
another
chance.
Ok,
there's
no
recommendation
to
vote
on.
So
the
only
other
item
of
business
is
the
next
meeting,
which
is
January
16th
the
usual
time
and
and
as
there
are
some
notices
of
motion,
anyone
no
emotions.
No
so
I
need
a
motion
to
adjourn
counselor
shell.