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From YouTube: Kingston, Ontario - Environment, Infrastructure & Transportation Policies Committee - Dec. 14, 2021
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Environment, Infrastructure & Transportation Policies Committee meeting from December 14, 2021. For full meeting agenda visit https://bit.ly/30w9Nas
A
Perfect
so
good
evening,
everyone,
it
is
six
o'clock
and
we
do
have
the
live
stream
up
and
running.
Now
I
confirm
we
have
quorum
with
all
committee
members
present.
I
will
open
the
meeting
this
evening
as
we
need
to
do
the
first
item
of
business,
which
is
the
election
of
officers
for
the
first
meeting
of
the
year.
A
B
A
C
C
C
C
C
Renewing
my
phone
here
and
that's
samantha
lynn
and
sofia
barge
kingston
youth
climate
action
will
be
present
to
speak
to
the
committee
with
respect
to
the
climate
leadership
plan.
So
the
floor
is
yours
and
you
have
five
minutes
if
you
could
just
identify
yourself
for
the
clerk
and
then
we're
good
to
go.
D
D
It's
a
bit
of
background.
I
organized
for
kingston
used
climate
action
and
we
are
a
group
of
youth
who
came
together
because
we
care
about
climate
action
and
we
know
that
there
are
impending
disasters
that
will
impact
our
futures
and
we
want
to
see
our
communities
be
as
strong
and
resilient
as
possible
in
the
face
of
these.
D
So
for
me,
when
I
first
learned
about
climate
change,
I
was
in
elementary
school.
I
was
taught
that
it
was
something
to
be
scared
of
that.
It
would
change
my
life
that
it
would
cause
so
much
harm
to
people
around
the
world.
But
what
I
didn't
learn,
though,
was
what
it
would
take
to
solve
this
crisis.
D
So
in
the
beginning
I
took
it
into
my
own
hands.
I
thought
that
the
responsibility
of
solving
climate
change
was
entirely
on
my
shoulders,
but
thankfully,
in
the
last
few
years,
I've
had
the
privilege
of
working
with
friends
and
different
youth
organizers
in
my
communities,
and
we
really
work
together
to
advocate
for
change
at
a
systemic
level
and
that
begins
with
all
levels
of
government.
D
This
crisis
is
far
too
big
to
be
solved
by
individuals
alone,
and
we
must
remember
when
a
house
is
on
fire,
we
do
everything
that
we
can
to
put
it
out.
No
questions
asked,
and
this
is
the
situation
that
we're
in
right
now
it's
easy
to
think
that
kingston
is
just
one
city
representing
a
fraction
of
the
world,
but
what's
really
important
to
remember
is
that
cities
control
fifty
percent
of
emissions.
D
D
But
now
we're
calling
on
all
of
you
to
work
with
us
to
make
the
climate
leadership
plan
as
strong
as
it
can
be.
Kingston
needs
to
be
doing
as
much
as
possible
to
address
this
emergency,
and
that
means
having
a
plan
that
recognizes
the
urgency
of
the
climate
crisis
and
builds
a
future
that
is
more
resilient
and
equitable
for
all
community
members.
D
We
have
the
power
to
do
something.
Great
cities
like
guelph,
boston,
edmonton,
vancouver,
are
already
taking
steps
and
we
can
be
amongst
those
leaders
as
well.
We
know
that
kingston
can
be
a
vibrant
place
for
people
to
thrive
and
be
resilient
despite
climate
stresses
and
shocks,
and
I
think
we
really
see
climate
action
as
an
incredible
opportunity
to
build
programs
and
institutions
that
address
the
weaknesses
in
our
current
society
and
that'll
hand
it
to
sofia.
E
E
right
now.
The
reduction
target
in
the
climate
leadership
plan
is
only
30
by
2030,
which
is
not
in
line
with
the
ipcc
science
and
is
not
enough
to
get
us
on
a
1.5
degree
path.
And
again,
we
can't
argue
with
science
when
it
comes
to
the
climate
crisis
and
the
actions
we
need
to
take
it's
not
about
what's
feasible
and
cheap
and
easy
to
implement
it's
about
what
needs
to
be
done
to
fix
this
crisis
and
electrification
is
in
everyone's
mouth
when
talking
about
climate
solutions.
E
But
where
does
all
this
electricity
come
from?
We
need
to
make
sure
that
there
is
enough
renewable
and
green
energy
that
can
make
this
electrification
even
possible,
and
so
we
therefore
ask
that
the
city
funds
and
enables
community-owned
renewable
energy
production
kingston
needs
to
expand
its
renewable
energy
production,
especially
wind
and
solar,
which
will
make
renewable
energy
more
affordable,
and,
on
top
of
that,
will
ensure
safe
jobs
for
the
community.
E
We
also
recognize
that
fighting
this
crisis
is
not
going
to
be
easy.
In
fact,
it's
going
to
be
pretty
hard
and
everyone
in
our
community
has
to
join
and
do
their
part,
but
saying
that
would
be
too
easy.
Instead,
kingston
needs
to
enable
everyone
to
do
their
part,
but
here's
the
thing
there
are
already
so
so
many
great
community
groups
in
kingston
that
have
all
the
knowledge
and
expertise
and
these
organizations
and
community
groups
are
already
leading
change
in
kingston
and
fight
against
the
climate
crisis.
E
So
we
demand
that
the
city
of
kingston
listen
to
and
supports
community
groups
and
existing
work.
That
is
being
done.
We
demand
a
meaningful
collaboration
between
the
city
and
these
groups
in
order
to
make
kingston
a
climate,
neutral
city,
and
so
some
of
these
groups
are,
for
example,
kingston
indigenous
language
nest,
indigenous
food
serving
350
kingston
coalition
for
active
transportation,
little
forest
kingston
or
just
recovery,
kingston,
and
so
many
more
because
it
is
possible
to
fight
the
climate
crisis,
but
only
if
we
all
work
together.
E
C
F
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
thanks
for
your
presentation,
I
agree
with
you
that
we
really
should
be
in
line
with
the
paris
agreement,
and
that
should
be
our
aim.
Now.
Nine
years
is
not
a
very
long
time
from
from
from
actually
achieving
50
reductions.
So
if
we
are
not
able
to
do
that,
what's
your
opinion
about
purchasing
carbon
offsets
for
a
city
to
try
to
achieve
the
50.
C
E
E
Sure
carbon
offset
sound
like
a
great
thing
to
do,
because
it
would
yeah
make
it
possible
to
reduce
our
emissions
less
than
actually
needed.
But
the
sad
thing
is
that
carbon
offsets
are
not
scalable
in
the
way
we
would
need.
So
if
everyone
would
buy
carbon
offsets
to
kind
of
limit
their
greenhouse
gas
emissions
that
wouldn't
work
globally.
E
F
D
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question.
I
won't
pretend
to
be
an
expert
in
science
is
on
my
background,
but
immediately
I
can
think
of
projects
like
the
indigenous
food
sovereignty
garden,
which
really
focuses
on
our
need
for
more
localized
supply.
Different
community
projects
that
are
advocating
for
renewable
energy
generated
within
kingston
really
pointing
to
this
need
to
have
a
future
where
we
self-reliant
and
where
we
don't
have
to
depend
on
external
people
and
provinces
for
energy,
for
food,
where
we
can
be
resilient
as
a
community.
Without
that.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
both
for
appearing
today
and
for
seeing
how
easy
it
is
to
speak
publicly
to
the
municipal
government.
So
I'm
just
going
to
go
back
to
something
you
said:
miss
lynn.
At
the
beginning,
about
50
of
emissions
being
being
under
the
control
of
cities,
you
didn't
state
that
it
was
under
control
of
the
municipal
government,
but
I
would
like
to
further
dive
into
that
number.
It's
a
great
number
because
it's
very
simple,
fifty
percent,
so
it
so.
D
B
D
I
think
that
when
it
comes
to
people
with
different
income
levels,
having
government
lead
the
way
in
terms
of
investing
in
public
transit
and
bike
lanes
and
different
projects
that
will
support
all
residents,
regardless
of
their
socio-economic
status.
That
just
really
speaks
to
how
important
it
is
that
city
council,
like
yourselves,
really
take
that
initiative
and
figure
out
okay.
What
do
kingston
residents
need?
D
How
can
we
best
support
them
so
that
we
all
can
all
contribute
to
climate
action,
but
in
a
way
that
doesn't
put
responsibility
on
individuals
who
ultimately
need
to
get
to
work
somehow
they
need
to
support
their
families
and
at
a
bare
minimum?
That
is
their
priority.
So
it's
up
to
us
to
be
able
to
support
them
as
we
look
to
reduce
our
emissions
and
work
towards
climate
action.
B
I
guess
I'm
not
gonna,
it's
not
really
a
question,
but
out
of
that
50,
some
of
it
is
personal
vehicle
admissions
which
is
not.
There
is
no
obvious
way
to
control
that
from
a
municipal
government.
I
don't
think,
but
if
you
have
any
any
suggestions,
that
would
be
amazing.
I
just
have
a
final
question.
Either
of
you
can
answer
this,
but
it
has
to
do
with
just
really
high
level
your
appearance
today.
So
this
is
a
municipal
government.
B
Most
of
the
environmental
regulation
is
done
by
the
province
and
most
most
climate
action
initiatives.
You
know
that
that
have
a
potential
to
really
make
a
big
difference
to
our
emissions
in
general
would
be
at
the
federal
level.
So
I'm
wondering
what
lobbying
your
group
is
doing
with
the
provincial
and
federal
representatives
here
in
kingston.
E
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
add
to
the
to
your
last
question
that,
like
in
kingston,
I
think
it's,
the
public
or
transportation
of
citizens
is
about
28
of
emissions.
So
that's
a
big
big
chunk
that
needs
to
be
solved,
and
there
are
is,
for
example,
kingston
coalition
practice
transportation.
That
would
be
better
informed
on
like
specific
kingston
transportation
than
than
we
are,
and
in
terms
of
yeah,
federal
or
provincial
action.
E
There
is
going
to
be
a
provincial
election
coming
up
soon,
so
we
will
definitely
also
do
work
there.
We
also
did
some
work
for
the
federal
election
last
year,
where
we
worked
together
with
350
kingston,
to
put
pressure
on
mark
garretson
to
yeah,
push
push
climate
leadership
in
in
the
federal
government
and
so
yeah.
I
think
it's
also
part
of
of
kingston
and
the
city
of
kingston.
That
can
also
push
like
you
said
provincial
and
federal
governments
who
have
a
lot
of
power
as
well.
D
I
was
just
going
to
say
quickly
to
add
on
to
that,
just
to
really
say
that
there
is
a
reason.
Why
we're
here
talking
to
you
tonight
and
it's
because
everybody
has
a
responsibility.
Everybody
has
a
role
to
play
and
it's
really
easy
to
sort
of
push
it
off
to
other
people
to
take
responsibility
or
to
take
the
lead
or
to
take
initiative.
C
B
Okay,
well,
this
one.
This
one
is,
is
more
focused
on
what's
on
the
agenda
tonight,
so
we're
getting
a
briefing
about
the
whole
kingston
home
energy
retrofit
program,
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
had
a
chance
to
review
that
and
what
your
group's
opinion
is
of
this
program
and
how
much
it
could
impact
emissions
in
kingston.
E
D
Yeah,
I
think,
just
to
add
quickly.
That
is
a
really
key
part
programs
like
that.
That
will
like
we
were
saying,
like
support
and
enable
residents
to
also
be
contributing
to
that,
and
I
think
it
is
important
like
if
we're
going
to
get
to
our
emissions
reductions
targets
and
do
what
is
necessary,
that
we
keep
building
on
and
expanding
programs
like
that.
C
Thank
you
and
just
a
quick
follow-up
up.
The
briefing
which
follows
is
exactly
on
that
topic
and
you
have
a
second
opportunity
to
speak
to
it
when
we
deal
with
the
recommendations
on
that
report.
So
hopefully
you
can
stick
around
for
that
and
if
you
have
any
questions
or
comments,
that
would
be
a
good
time
to
to
bring
them
forward.
So
any
other
members
of
the
committee
that
would
like
to
speak.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
through
you
thanks
very
much
miss
watch
and
miss
lynn
for
your
delegation
tonight
in
your
delegation.
You
mentioned
a
few
other
cities
that
have
a
good
climate
action
plan
and
I
just
wondered
if
you
could
list
them
again.
I
think
you
said
wealth
right
and
you
said
victoria
and
then
did
you
say
boston,
and
I
think
you
mentioned
a
fourth
one,
but
I
missed
it.
D
D
D
Last
november,
in
2020
vancouver
passed
their
climate
emergency
action
plan
that
details
how
they're
also
same
target
50
by
2030
and
pittsburgh
just
about
a
month
ago.
They
finalized
their
climate
plan.
That
includes
a
50
emissions
reduction
target
by
2030
as
well,
and
then
I
was
mentioning
the
race
to
zero,
which
is
sort
of
tied
to
the
u.n,
but
also
the
c40
cities.
D
D
D
Yeah,
a
lot
of
the
plans
have
a
big
focus
on
energy.
On
buildings
like,
as
we
mentioned,
they
do
have
a
significant
amount
of
emissions
from
there.
Also
just
general
urban
planning
things
like
having
walkable
cities
and
google
energy
generation.
I
think
guelph,
let's
see
if
we
can
find
it,
but
guelph
is
yeah,
has
already
increased
yeah.
So
last
year
in
2020,
guelph
was
able
to
shift
a
quarter
of
their
energy
consumed
using
renewable
resources,
which
is
a
great
step
in
the
right
direction.
C
C
You
very
much
are
you.
Are
you
aware
that
you've
had
an
opportunity,
I
believe,
to
read
the
report
tonight?
That's
one
of
several
reports.
Have
you
had
an
opportunity
to
read
other
reports
on
on
the
city?
Are
you
aware,
for
instance,
that
we
have
a
2025
target
to
be
able
to
replace
our
municipal
fleet
with
with
hybrid
and
ev
hybrid
ev
vehicles,
and
that
that's
a
target
that
we
set,
including
electric
buses?
E
D
C
C
Thank
you
very
much,
so
I
think
you
can
sneak
that
in
under
the
briefing
counselor
door
did
whatever
you
wanted
to
say
so
so
we
have
thank.
Thank
you
both
for
coming
in
delegation,
and
this
is
a
committee
you're,
welcome
to
come
and
delegation
and
share
your
comments
and
and
observations
with
so
on
the
addendum.
C
A
C
I
I
But
I'd
like
to
talk
more
generally
and
I'd
first
of
all
like
to
applaud
ms
lynn
and
miss
botch
for
what
they
were
just
presented,
and
I
hope
they
didn't
feel
too
put
off
by
the
questioning,
which
I
found
a
bit
hostile
at
times
in
the
are
you
aware
questioning?
Maybe
that
wasn't
intended,
but
that's
what
I
felt
as
they
were.
I
Questions
are
being
asked
and
my
presentation
hat
is
related
to
the
matters
that
they
raise,
which
is
you
know
these
two
streets
which
were
never
intended
to
be
arterial
ways
as
I
was,
as
was
pointed
out
by
a
planner
in
a
recent
meeting
dealing
with
the
zoning
of
the
area.
They
are
now
considered
arterial
ways
in
the
official
plan,
but
because
they're
not
designed
as
such,
the
houses
are
very
close
to
those
streets
and
the
streets
are
increasing
in
terms
of
traffic
and
as
a
30-year
resident
on
that
house.
I
Seven
houses
up
from
brock
street-
I
can
certainly
attest
to
that.
So
what
I'm
pleading
for
here
in
terms
of
this
petition
in
context
of
this
petition
is
some
sort
of
study
of
these
three
ways
in
terms
of
their
impact
on
the
neighborhoods
and
to
think
that
these
whole
areas
being
rezoned
with
no
attention
to
that.
I
find
remarkable
sorry,
I
realized.
Oh,
am
I
not
allowed
to
be
on
video
okay,
so
I
just
want.
Can
I
have
the
next
slide
please?
This?
Is
the
brock
street
partition
the
wording
of
it?
I
You
can
see
what
we
were
looking
for.
These
are
stop
gap
measures,
but
it
really
does
fit
into
the
scope
painted
by
the
previous
delegates
in
terms
of
doing
something.
Thank
you
doing
something
in
terms
of
what
does
traffic
do
to
the
quality
of
life
in
the
city,
not
only
in
terms
of
noise,
vibration,
etcetera,
but
also
to
the
whole
planet?
I
You
can
see.
These
are
very
specific
questions
that
we
raised.
I'm
not
going
to
read
them
out
too
you're,
all
perfectly
capable
of
reading
yourselves
and
what
struck
me
most
next
slide.
Please
was
when
doing
this
petition
that
the
number
of
people
who
were
home
at
the
time
the
petition
was
done.
It
was
only
run
three
days
by
two
people
going
out
about
one
hour
a
day.
I
I
So
this
this
resignation
and
fear
was
also
borne
out
by
a
story
of
a
woman
who
was
backing
out
of
her
house,
beautifully
capped
on
brock
street
beautiful
garden,
and
this
is
what
happened
to
her
during
one
of
the
homecomings.
I
can't
I
can
hardly
comprehend
what
it's
like
to
live,
not
only
with
the
constant
traffic,
but
this
kind
of
treatment
by
people
who
live
on
the
street
next
slide.
Please.
I
So
I
took
these
pictures
this
afternoon
now.
I
can
perfectly
appreciate
that
most
people
driving
along
this
is
brock
and
that's
what
I'm
primarily
speaking
to
the
people
driving
along
this
street,
are
just
seeing
it
as
a
three-way.
I
understand
that
I
use
it
myself,
both
johnson
and
brock,
in
the
same
way,
quickest
way
to
get
downtown
quickest
way
to
get
back
home
and
people
don't
realize
next
slide,
please
that
there
are
homes
on
these
streets.
I
People
are
living
here
and
in
this
case
this
particular
house,
these
folks
moved
from
toronto
and
did
a
marvelous
upgrade
to
the
house,
costing.
I
would
imagine
quite
a
good
deal
of
money.
They
are
shocked
at
the
traffic
and
the
sound.
They
moved
from
a
place
near
richmond
and
adelaide
thinking
they
were
going
moving
to
a
quieter
place.
They
have
discovered.
That's
not
the
case
next
slide.
Please.
I
I
So
this
is
the
portion
between
regent
and
sir
john,
a
where
cars
literally
race
to
make
either
the
turn
onto
sir
john
a
or
to
make
the
left
turn
down
to
continue
along
the
extension
of
johnson,
and
it
is
dangerous
one
person
reported,
there
have
been
six
accidents
over
the
last
two
years
and
one
of
those
accidents
was
the
one
that
almost
hit
the
house
where
two
small
children
live
next
slide.
Please
that's
the
house
that
was
almost
hit
during
the
accident,
so
I
can
appreciate
that
the
city
needs
three
ways.
I
I
think
that
we
need
to
really
investigate
these
two
three
ways
and
the
impact
on
their
neighborhoods.
I
cannot
believe
that
the
zoning
is
going
ahead
without
any
consideration
of
these
arteries
and
their
impacts
on
the
neighborhood.
So
what
I'm
asking
for
here?
Not
only
those
consideration
of
those
examples
that
I
showed
earlier
on
that
were
in
the
petition
and
what
people
signed
in
favor
of,
but
also
constant
monitoring
of
these
three
ways
for
speed
for
volume
for
vibration.
There
are
transport
trucks
that
use
these
three
ways.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation.
I'm
curious.
When
you
spoke
to
residents,
were
they
speaking,
I
mean
you
referenced
it
a
few
very
troublesome
sounding
incidents
and
the
fear,
but
were
there
comments
along
the
lines
of
aggressive
driving?
Was
it
speeding
combination
of
aggressive
driving
like
some
of
these
habits,
of
having
to
get
to
a
certain
part
to
turn
and
then
head
out
and
beat
some
lights
on
the
way
up
to
the
west
end
or
whatever?
That
is,
I
mean,
was
it?
H
I
Sure,
yes,
especially
between
regent
and
sir
john,
a
those
smaller
houses
in
that
section,
most
of
which
are
very
well
kept,
beautifully,
kept
gardens,
etc.
They
reported
that's
where
I
heard
that
there
had
been
six
accidents
and
they
were
in
that
section.
There's
a
lot
of
racing
that
goes
on
there.
They
they're
stopped
at
regent
by
the
light,
and
then
there's
no
light
and
they
talked
about
accidents.
They
talked
about
racing
they've
talked
about
these
newly
enhanced
cars
with
noise
enhancers.
I
I
see
it
quite
often
you
know,
because
I'm
sort
of
in
the
area
walking
my
dog,
for
example-
and
I
see
it
quite
often,
people
have
to
they
have
to
change
lanes
right
to
get
either
turn
right
or
left
once
they
hit
the
barrier
or
sir
john
a
and
they're.
You
know
they
race
to
try
and
get
ahead
of
the
person
and
then
cross
the
lanes
that
kind
of
thing.
But
yes,
they
did
mention
that
several
people
mentioned
it
all
right.
B
I'm
just
I'm
going
to
focus,
try
to
try
to
get
your
insights
on.
I
thank
you
very
much
for
all
of
your
work
and
your
excellent
presentation
and
doing
a
really
good
job
of
voicing
the
concerns.
On
behalf
of
your
neighbors,
I
think
that's
really
important
advocacy
and
thank
you
for
that.
I
I
was
just
going
to
focus.
B
B
There
was
no
studies
done
on
the
impacts
on
the
neighborhood
with
that
new
designation
at
all,
and
you
confirmed
that
when
you
spoke
to
the
planners,
but
this
the
original
existence
of
rock
and
johnson
were
two-way
streets,
like
any
other
in
in
downtown
kingston
until
the
mid-1970s.
So
I'm
wondering
did
that
ever
come
up
of
like
the
structure
of
the
thruways
and
changing
the
structure.
I
Yes,
I
did
I,
I
know
that
I
knew
that
when
I
was
petitioning-
and
I
mentioned
it
to
two
people
and
they
said
what-
and
I
said,
can
you
imagine
if
we
went
back
to
that
and
they
said
you
know
it
was
like
beyond
belief.
Could
we
is
that
possible?
So,
yes,
they
did
speak
about
that.
But
in
terms
of
your
the
first
part
of
your
question,
people
were
very
several
people
said
we
need
a
light
at
palace
and
brock
so
that
they
have
to
stop
before
they
make
the
turn.
I
The
other
thing
that
somebody
said
was
she
sees
a
lot
of
people
who
are
confused
by
the
one-way
streets,
so
they
try
to
turn
left
onto
brock
when
they
should
be
turning
right.
She's
seen
near
misses,
I've
had
experience,
I've
had
several
experiences
of
people
coming
the
wrong
way
up
the
one-way
streets
and
and
in
confusion.
B
Thank
you.
Yes,
I
remember
when
I
did
driver's
ed
many
many
years
ago
when
I
was
17.
the
driver,
the
driver
had
teacher
and
it
was
like
a
classroom
setting
at
first
saying
you
always
look
both
ways
when
you
cross
a
street
in
a
vehicle.
Even
if
it's
a
one-way
street,
you
look
both
ways
and
everybody
laughed
it's
like.
Why
would
you
look
up?
B
You
know
down
in
the
one-way
street
if
it's
one
way
and
and
the
and
it
was
exactly,
as
you
said,
the
teacher
was
saying
yes,
but
people
can
make
mistakes
and
they
can
turn
their
and
be
traveling
the
wrong
way
on
it
on
a
one-way
street,
and
that's
why
you
look
both
ways
and
I
think
brock
and
johnson
is
all
you
need
to
experience
to
reinforce
that
teaching
that
I
learned,
because
I
have
seen
it
multiple
times
in
my
life.
I've
seen
it
happen
that
driving
the
wrong
way
on
those
streets.
B
So
I
agree
with
you
there.
The
only
other
thing
I'd
like
to
know
now,
for
the
benefit
of
the
committee
is
so
so.
You've
already
said
that
folks
are
resigned
to
their
fate.
They
don't
think
that
there
it's
been
like
this
for
so
long.
They
don't
think
that
it's
possible
to
to
remedy
this
you've
mentioned
a
light
at
palace
for
brock
street,
to
slow
down
that
traffic
and
and
a
study.
B
If,
if
council
we're
just
so
suddenly,
what
you
know
there's
probably
our
supporting
studies
do
need
to
probably
done
to
change
the
basic
structure.
But
do
you
think
that
that's
an
avenue
worth
worth
pursuing
and
do
you
think
that
the
residents
in
the
neighborhoods
would
support
this?
You
know
the
long
you
know
time
consuming
and
resource-consuming
studies
that
would
need
to
to
perhaps
change
the
structure
of
these
double-laned
one-way
streets.
I
I
think,
from
my
experience
I
was
impressed
by
the
I
didn't
ask
that
specific
question,
but
I
was
impressed
by
how
people
want
to
change.
I
don't
think
it's
been
long
term.
I
think
we
we
could
live
with
it
when
the
traffic
volume
was
lower.
We
didn't
have
the
racing,
I'm
trying
to
think
of
other
things.
I
Is
it
possible?
We
have
more
people
more
visitors
in
that
area
who
aren't
familiar
with
the
street
layout
and
that
might
be
increasing
the
the
incorrect
use
of
the
one-way
streets
and
the
dangers
that
sets
up.
So
I
and
my
personal
feeling
is
it's
been
about
the
last
five
years
that
things
have
really
been
increasing,
but
with
no
constant
study
of
volume,
with
no
constant
study
of
speed,
and
also,
I
would
like
I
would
like
weight
in
there,
the
the
large
trucks
just
rattle
the
windows
people
say:
sometimes
they
rattles
their
cups.
I
You
know
as
they
they
go
by
so
without
that
data,
and
that
was
my
complaint
to
the
planning
committee
without
the
data.
What
can
we
say
other
than
us?
You
know
individuals,
who've,
lived
in
the
area
and
will
complain
right
that
that
would
be
it,
but
I
do
think
there
is.
I
was
impressed
by
how
many
people
just
said.
Give
me
the
petition.
Let
me
sign
you
know,
but
they
there
was
a
lot
of
resignation.
They
they
sort
of
said
well
I'll
sign,
bought.
I
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
change
anything
they've
just
resigned
to
the
fact
that
traffic
increases.
You
know,
that's
the
way
cities
work.
If
you're
going
to
increase,
intensify
cities,
then
we're
just
going
to
have
busier
streets
and
that's
such
a
simplified
approach
and
and
something
that
the
the
delegation
before
me
would
be
very
interested
in
talking
about
that.
You
know
it's
not
a
quid
pro
quo,
that
to
intensify
means
that
you
have
to
have
busier
streets
with
with
cars.
I
J
Yeah,
thank
you
annette
for
speaking,
really
appreciate
it
as
a
rural
counselor.
I
I'm
also
interested
in
in
your
your
work,
because
I
I
definitely
have
about
six
major
arteries
in
the
rural
area
that
are,
it's
really
helpful,
to
hear
to
hear
you.
I've
been
making
notes
seriously
and
you've
done
a
really
good
job,
because
they're
similar
what
I
wanted
to
say
there
is
there's
similar
problems
and
identifiers
to
what
what
creates
these
traffic
situations,
and
so
I'm
hopeful
that
you.
J
I
can
ask
the
first
question.
Well,
you
hopefully
can
share
your
data
with
others
that
are
experiencing
that.
Thank
you
very
much.
That's
going
to
be
helpful
because
I'm
really
curious
to
see
how
we
handle
it
as
a
committee,
but
also
the
the
city,
and
so
but
is,
is
it
just
a
matter
of
of
you
know,
making
people
enforce
the
actual
speed
limits
like
with
photo
radar?
J
Sometimes
I
wonder
if
it's
simpler
than
we
I
mean
we
can't
do
much
with
just
people
being
in
a
hurried
picture,
how
island
ferry
road?
I
was
there
today
watching
traffic
and
it's
a
it's
a
nightmare
of
people
wanting
to
make
the
ferry
or
to
they're
late
because
of
the
ferry
and
and
we're
all
human
and
we're
in
a
hurry
and
and
johnson
and
brock
sort
of
have
that
on
steroids,
because
we've
all
been
there
so
is
it
is,
is
will
will
just
that
punishment
of
enforcement
be
the
biggest.
I
So
the
my
understanding
is
that
that
has
been
done
and
occasionally
police
officers
park
at
various
junctions
with
brock
and
johnson
and
it
does
slow
down
traffic
but
they're,
not
there
all
the
time.
You
know
it's
not
done
very
often.
I
think
it's
a
stop
gap
measure.
I
think
it
would
have
an
effect
yeah.
J
J
J
G
Mr
chair
and
yeah
miss
burfa.
Thank
you
very
much
for
giving
us
the
concern,
and
I
know
we
had
the
petition
read
out
at
council.
I
think
it
was
a
council
meeting
very
recently
and
so
for
the
transport
trailer
use
on
brock
street
and
johnson
street.
So
these
are
like
large
transfer
trailers.
So
do
you
think
the
solution
for
that
is
that
we
try
like,
as
counselor,
try
to
get
traffic
engineering
to
do
like
no
heavy
truck
sign.
You
know.
I
I
You
you
guys
know
more
than
me
on
this,
but
I
think
it
is
that
the
other
part
of
that
is
that
these
roads
were
not
designed
for
transport
truck
use.
So
you
can
have
various
substrates
of
roads
and
these
roads
do
not
have
the
substrate
for
transfer
trucks.
That's
why
I
believe
they
get
chewed
up
so
quickly.
G
G
I
G
C
C
Thank
you.
I
promise
I
won't
start
with.
Are
you
aware
we
always
have
to
ask
questions,
and
so
sometimes
there's
information
that
we
get
in
the
habit
of
saying?
Are
you
aware
of
so
that
we
can
share
that
information
so,
and
I
want
to
thank
councillor
oosteroff
for
pointing
out
that
my
intent
wasn't.
C
Effect
yeah,
so
I
won't
start
with
that,
but
we
do
have
we
we
now
will
be
installing
soon
red
light
cameras
and-
and
we
have
looked
at
and
supported
the
idea
of
having
speed
cameras
as
well,
which
other
municipalities
and
the
province
for
the
first
time
has
given
municipalities
the
power
to
do
that.
So
those
are
both
really
doable
recommendations
that
you've
made
great.
I
appreciate
that.
I
C
C
K
Just
I
just
got
unmuted
and
I'm
sorry
for
wasting
your
time
no
problem.
Okay,
the
host
has
asked
you
to
start
your
video,
okay,
okay,
my
video
started.
I'm
not
going
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
this
slide
because
I
think
we
all
know
that
we
have
a
climate
emergency.
We
have
to
do
something,
but
I
understand
that
reducing
automobile
use
and
or
regulating
vehicle
speed
is
the
single,
most
effective
and
immediate
way
to
reduce
carbon
emissions.
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
So
the
problem
is
speed.
Excessive
speed
is
a
problem
because
people
are
not
very
good
at
judging
closing
speeds
and
the
geometry
of
the
road,
together
with
the
complexity
of
activity,
makes
for
unsafe
conditions.
I've
got
a
list
of
them
here.
I
don't
have
time
to
go,
go
through
them
because
of
limitations
slide.
Please.
K
The
solution
is
traffic
calming
because
controlled
speeds
resulting
from
traffic
calming
have
benefits,
and
they
include
reduced
mortality,
severity
of
injury,
loss
of
vehicle
and
repairs,
reduce
costs
of
repairs
to
public
property
and
utilities,
reduce
cost
of
repairs
to
private
property,
reduce
cost
to
emergency
services.
It
also
encourages
active
transportation,
it
reduces
fuel
consumption
and
it
also
reduces
anxiety
of
road
rage.
K
K
K
We
need
conventions
for
the
use
of
bicycle
lane,
sidewalks
and
unlicensed
electric
vehicles.
The
needs
of
transit
vehicles
also
slide,
please
what
about
active
transportation?
I
think
I'm
probably
over
my
time
but
you've
seen
a
few
of
these
things
now
on
the
bikeway.
Now
we're
seeing
electric
scooters
and
we're
seeing
something
that
looks
like
a
car,
maybe
it's
a
wheelchair,
but
I'm
not
really
sure
what,
and
of
course,
where
do
you
put
your
e-bike
and
if
you
have
a
really
cool
wheelchair?
K
30
seconds
for
me
slide,
please,
our
proposal
for
the
coming
of
johnson
street
is
here:
I'm
not
going
to
call
it
a
petition
because
we're
not
allowed
to
present
those
to
the
committee,
but
we'd
like
to
see
desert
johnson
designated
as
a
community
safety
zone,
we'd
like
to
see
a
traffic
light
at
region
in
johnson
you'd
like
to
see
the
speed
limit
lowered
to
40
kilometers
per
hour
and
speed
signs
installed.
Along
with
that,
we
did
a
petition
late
in
october
to
determine
the
support
for
this
as
it
became
clear.
K
C
C
F
Earlier
the
two
of
two
presentations
match
really
well,
because
the
two
roads
are
so
connected
in
many
ways
now
staff
have
often
in
my
district
too,
in
portsmouth
district
I've
asked
for
or
suggested
to
staff
that
some
districts
could
be.
Some
neighborhoods
could
be
have
a
speed
limit
of
40
kilometers
speed
limit,
and
I
was
often
told
that
well
that
wouldn't
change
anything
because
people
don't
don't
drive
what
this
says.
F
F
I
I
can
I
can
say
that
did
come
up
several
times
in
my
in
my
consultation
with
my
residents
and
it
was
like
a
dream:
it's
like.
Oh,
could
we
is
it
possible?
I
think
many
people
believe
it
would
slow
down
the
traffic.
It
would
change
the
nature
of
the
roads
to
what
they
were
originally
designed
to
be,
which
is
significant
roads
because
they
go
quite
a
distance
without
you
know,
turning
or
anything
and
and
they
take
you
into
the
downtown
core,
but
they
wouldn't
be.
I
I
K
If
it's
well
known
that,
if
you
travel
at
40
because
of
the
way
the
lights
work,
you're
going
to
get
there
just
as
fast
as
if
you
want
to
speed
most
people,
don't
understand
about
the
timing
of
the
lights
now
on
johnson
street.
It's
a
bit
different
from
brock,
because
it's
a
straight
run
right
from
sir
johnny
down
to
victoria
street,
and
we
the
speeds
we've
experienced
since
the
road
was
reconstructed-
are
quite
substantially
more
than
they
used
to
be.
But
the
real
problem
is
the
weaving
that
happens.
K
So
if
they're
driving
at
40
clicks
and
something
happens-
and
it's
likely
to
happen
because
you're
driving
on
what
you
think
is
an
arterial
road
when
actually
you've
got
all
of
these
90
driveways
and
13
side
streets
out
of
which
people
can
come
or
into
which
somebody
is
trying
to
turn
and
they're
all
always
going
to
slow
down
to
do
that
and
that
impedes
the
proper
flow
or
the
you
know.
The
speedy
flow
of
the
traffic
the
street
can
be
busy
as
long
as
it's
safe
and
the
problem
is
johnson
and
brock
aren't
safe.
K
K
B
Yes,
I
do
have
a
question,
but
I
think
it's
important
that
we
acknowledge
what
we've
been
told
in
the
past
about
speed
limits
by
staff.
If
we're
gonna
discuss
that
in
this
context,
so-
and
I
don't
know
how
to
do
that
other
than
are
you
aware-
because
I
don't
know
if
you,
if
you
saw
these
for
previous
meetings
at
the
program,
but
staff
has
repeatedly
told
us
that
speed
limit
that
it
was
the
most
recently
is
when
the
speed
limit
was
changed.
On
sir
john,
a
that
you
just
mentioned.
B
That's
what
reminded
me
so
they
posted,
as
you
said,
the
posted
surge
on
a
speed
limit
which
is
designed
as
an
arterial,
and
it
has
always
been,
is
60,
and
then
there
was
a
push
by
residents
on
both
sides
of
sir
john
adu
to
reduce
that.
So
in
the
in
the
end
it
was
changed
to
50
and
a
speed
sign
was
was
put
up
there.
I
I
know
that
we
did
get
one
report
back.
B
That
said,
the
actual
that
the
speed
actually
went
up,
the
average
speed
actually
went
up
after
the
speed
limit
was
reduced
by
a
couple
of
kilometers.
An
hour
so
the
takeaway
that
I
think
we
all
got
from
from
that
work
by
staff
was
that
speed
limit
signs
are
are
not
effective
at
controlling
speed
and
that
everything
we
were
told
in
the
active
transportation
plan
is
that
for
traffic
calm
and
and
the
more
more
recent
traffic
calming
measures
that
were
posed
by
staff
is
that
it's
physical
changes
to
the
roadway
that
control
speed.
B
So
you
narrow,
you,
add
texture,
you,
you
have
obstacles
you,
you
know
anything
that
physically
prevents
rateway
type
driving,
which
is
the
opposite
of
what
has
happened
on
johnson
street
with
the
reconstruction.
I
think
that
everything
you
said
in
your
in
your
presentation
is
true
and,
and
it
is
to
do
with
design
and
the
structure
of
the
street,
here's.
K
I
am
not
aware
if
such
a
study
was
ever
done.
My
understanding
is
that
the
road
was
changed
from
two
to
one
way
as
a
means
of
trying
to
see
if
there
was
a
way
of
solving
the
problem
of
getting
traffic
downtown
as
fast
as
possible.
I
don't
think
there
was
a
study
done.
I'm
not
aware
that
it,
it
is
absolutely
necessary,
normally
there's
a
transportation
study
that
precedes
any
kind
of
designation
of
a
street,
and
I'm
I
am
unaware
of
the
transportation
study
which
would
have
placed
that.
K
That
designation
on
johnson,
all
I
can
say
is
it's
an
aspiration
and
I
have
two
quick
things.
I
I'd
like
to
say.
First
of
all,
there
is
no
planning
between
the
puc
and
the
planning
department.
Puc
basically
does
what
they
want,
and
then
pine
department
picks
up
and
does
what
they
can
to
make
it
work.
There.
K
They
could
have
taken
a
widening
on
the
north
side
and
in
taking
the
widening,
they
would
have
been
able
to
put
a
boulevard
in
to
resolve
the
sidewalk
situation,
but
they
never
did
that.
The
question
is,
and
the
question
I
think
from
counselors
should
be:
when
is
the
coordination
between
the
puc
and
what
it
does
and
in
the
city
going
to
come
fully
together?
K
Same
thing
applies
when
it
comes
to
something
like
using
radar,
the
traffic
guys
will
probably
say
you
know:
we've
got
all
kinds
of
things
we
can
do
technically,
but
will
they
talk
about
radar?
Probably
not
because
it's
a
police
purview?
If
we
don't
have
an
overreaching
agenda
for
technology,
it'll
tear
us
apart?
K
K
K
So
we
have
some
systemic
issues
here
that
we
really
have
to
come
to
grips
with.
We
have
a
budget,
one
too,
when
I
talk
when
I
think
about
what
we
can
do
very
quickly,
that's
going
to
get
get
us
somewhere
with
climate
change,
it's
understanding
the
impact
of
vehicles
that
especially
personal
vehicles
have
on
the
on
the
emission
of
gases,
the
construct,
the
consumption
of
gasoline
and
the
cost
to
us,
even
in
general,
insurance
costs
of
accidents.
B
Yeah,
no,
and
so
for
my
second
question,
just
trying
to
link
this
back
to
the
petition
gathering
and
the
feedback
you
must
have
received,
and
I
know
there
was
a
a
number
of
sydney
residents
involved.
That's
the
the
one
side
of
johnson
street
johnson,
just
just
for
the
record.
Everyone
probably
knows
this:
it's
the
border
between
williamsville
and
sydney
for
much
of
its
length,
so
there's
folks
on
one
side
are
in
sydney
and
on
the
other
side,
they're
in
williamsville.
B
So
I
was
just
that's
not
where
I'm
going
with
my
question.
I
was
just
pointing
that
out.
So
these
residents
that
collected
the
the
petitions
did
they
get
any.
Did
they
bring
any
insights
to
you,
similar
to
what
ms
burfoot
was
saying
about
solutions
about
about
their
experience
about
if
they
would
be
open
to
change
or
anything
like
that
like
is
there
anything
you
could
you
could
report
that
sort
of
came
out
of
that
consultation
as
you
were,
gathering
those
signatures.
K
Before
I
go
there,
one
thing
I
forgot
to
say:
when
the
when
johnson
street
was
reconstructed,
they
actually
put
a
highway
surface
on
it.
It's
three
lifts
of
asphalt,
12,
inches
thick
in
all
underlain
by
heavy
gravel,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
it's
ready
for
transport
trucks
or
anything
else
you
want
to
drive
down.
K
K
K
The
first
cars
out
go
very
quickly
and
they're,
followed
by
cars
that
go
slower
and
slower.
So
what
you
have
by
the
by
the
time
the
last
car
goes
by
it's
going
relatively
slowly
with
respect
to
the
front
of
the
pack
and
it's
it's
dragged
all
down
the
road,
so
you
can't
get
across
the
road
until
the
pack
ends.
K
But
now
we
have
traffic
going
all
around
the
bus
trying
to
get
by
and
they
can't
get
across
the
street
to
get
to
the
bus.
So
again
it's
about
it.
It's
about
speed
and
and
the
way
it
spreads
out
too.
The
the
the
suggestion
that
we
made
and
I'll
tell
you
the
suggestions
we
made
came
after
a
lot
of
discussions
among
concerned
residents.
K
One
of
the
ones
was
to
put
a
stoplight
in
at
regent
street.
Now
I
understand
that's
very
expensive
and
maybe
it's
something
for
the
future.
But
the
fact
of
the
matter
is,
if
you
don't
break
the
traffic
at
regent
street,
that
long
stream
of
traffic
is
going
to
continue
so
that
nobody
can
get
across
the
street.
The
other
thing
is,
of
course,
the
bus
route
is
down
region,
turning
left
onto
johnson.
So
if
that
street
light
is
there,
it
gives
the
bus
a
guarantee
of
when.
K
And
when
it
goes
around
that
corner,
it's
a
condition
red
for
the
people
north
of
the
bus,
so
that
at
the
bus
stop
there's
no
traffic
at
the
time
it
stops
then,
probably
before
it
leaves
again
the
big
one
of
the
biggest
issues
that
comes
up
is
this
one
of
fear,
so
you're
walking
to
work
in
the
morning
you're
just
about
to
get
hit?
It's
I'll
back
up!
K
It's
it's
a
morning
when
you
got
rain
first
thing
that
happens
is
you're
going
to
get
soaking
wet,
because
when
cars
go
by
the
lane
is
so
close,
you
get
wet.
It's
you
get
splashed,
not
quite
so
bad
now,
because
it
used
to
be
the
potholes
were
full
of
water
and
every
time
somebody
get
a
pothole
people
would
get
drenched.
B
G
You
through
you,
mr
chair,
so
when
we're
talking
about
a
traffic
light
at
johnson
and
region
and
even
the
traffic
light,
we
talked
about
at
brock
and
palace
road.
It
wouldn't
necessarily
have
to
be
a
traffic
light,
but
it
could
be
a
pedestrian
crossing
light.
Is
that
true?
What
do
you
think,
mr
funger
and
miss
burfoot?
So
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
a
traffic
light,
but
it
could
be
a
pedestrian
crossing
light,
which
still
kind
of
would
have
the
same
net
effect
right.
I
I
You
know
how
emergency
vehicles
can
control
lights.
They
can
actually
stop
the
light,
so
they
can
get
out.
Okay,
all
right,
but
but
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
the
pedestrian.
You
really
should
walk
along.
I
do
recommend,
if
you
ever
have
the
option
opportunity
to
walk
along
johnson
or
rock
for
a
little
while
to
get
a
feeling
of
the
traffic.
C
Could
I
just
make
a
quick
suggestion,
we're
supposed
to
be
addressing-
and
I
apologize
for
this,
but
we're
supposed
to
be
addressing
our
questions
to
the
delegation
that
is
going
on
now,
which
is
mr
fonger?
Yes,
I
appreciate
that
we
have
directed
questions
to
annette
and
that's
fine,
but
we're
in
breach
of
of
our
our
bylaw
when
we
do
so
so
I
apologize,
but
did.
K
K
Stroud
can
probably
tell
you
a
story
about
a
resident
who
you
recently
ran
up
and
down
him
because
of
someone
who
ran
through
the
the
crosswalk
down
on
union
street
when
an
old
lady
was
actually,
I
think,
partially
in
the
walk.
So
no,
we
are
talking
about
a
real
honest
to
goodness
trafficking.
We
have
to
have
the
traffic
stop
without
the
ability
to
make
a
left-hand
turn
without
any
argument
as
to
well.
K
B
C
K
K
K
K
Because
if
the
speeds
went
up
from
50,
that's
saying
that
the
lowering
of
the
speed
limit
did
do
some
good,
but
if
it
was
60
and
it
went
up
to
70,
then
that
takes
on
the
tone
that
we
got
from
some
young
people
that
we
talked
about,
which
is
oh
great.
We
have
no
interest
in
doing
that
faster.
The
better.
B
B
The
changes
being
the
speed
limit
was
60
and
then
the
limit
was
50
with
a
speed
sign
the
the
total.
I
don't
remember
the
exact
speed
to
that,
but
it
was
it
was
that
the
average
speed
was
higher
than
60.,
I'm
not
sure
if
it
was
higher
than
70,
but
it
was
it
was
in
that
area.
I
can't
remember
the
number
it
might
have
been
like
67
or
something
like
that.
C
C
L
Thank
you
very
much,
and
it
is
a
pleasure
to
be
here
this
evening.
I
am
very
excited
to
be
here
with
good
news
and
to
request
some
recommendations
of
the
committee
to
recommend
the
council.
So
if
you
recall,
we
brought
a
report
to
eitp
in
january
of
this
year
that
laid
out
the
program
for
the
we
were
calling
it
that
time,
the
kingston
home
energy
retrofit
program,
which
we
have
now
branded
as
better
homes.
L
Kingston
recently,
we
did
receive
confirmation
from
scm,
because
at
the
time
in
january
we
requested
approval
of
the
program
and
approval
of
staff
to
apply
for
funding
through
fcm.
We
recently
received
confirmation
that
we
have
received
our
full
funding
request
from
fcm
to
proceed
with
the
implementation
and
launch
of
the
better
homeless
kingston
program.
So
it's
with
good
news,
I'm
coming
today
and
asking
for
some
recommendations
of
approval
of
this
committee
next
slide,
please.
L
So
the
summary
of
the
stakeholder
rules
within
the
the
better
homes
kingston
program,
the
the
city,
will
be
the
administration
league.
We
will
be
working
with
our
partners
assisting
with
applications
approving
the
lic
loans
for
the
properties,
as
well
as
looking
at
the
the
incentives
that
will
be
provided
to
homeowners
upon
completion
of
the
retrofits.
L
We
do
require
approval,
which
you'll
see
in
your
report
tonight
of
recommendation
of
approval
for
entering
to
a
service
level
agreement
with
sustainable
kingston,
who
recently
through
an
asset
transfer
red
squirrel,
has
become
part
of
sustainable
kingston,
and
we
would
be
looking
for
a
service
level
agreement
with
sustainable
kingston
to
lead
the
energy
coach
with
the
homeowners
so
upon
completion
of
their
energy
audit.
The
energy
coach
would
assist
them
in
determining
what
best
retrofits
to
proceed
with,
and
they
would
be
coordinating
the
energy
audits
as
well.
L
In
addition
to
the
service
level
agreement
with
sustainable
kingston,
we
would
require
some
other
levels
of
memorandums
of
understanding
and
agreements
with
our
utility
providers,
utilities,
kingston,
hydro1
and
enbridge,
who
would
work
with
us
in
the
promotion
of
the
the
program
through
their
networking
and
working
with
their
clients
as
well?
Next
slide,
please!
L
So
really.
This
provides.
We
provide
this
to
you
january,
but
I
thought
I
just
put
this
back
in
the
target
markets.
We
are
looking
at
older
homes
built
before
1991.
homeowners,
considering
renovations.
We
anticipate
that
over
the
next
four
years
of
the
program
there'll
be
over
500,
approximately
500
poems
that
will
be.
L
We
would
be
really
looking
at
the
hot
and
the
warm
markets
if
you
recall
that
we
would
be
targeting
and
over
the
next
12
to
15
years
of
the
approximately
60
100
homes
that
we
would
be
targeting.
That
would
lead
to
an
annual
ghg
reduction
of
approximately
18
000
tons
per
year,
which
equates
to
approximately
11
of
our
residential
sector
emissions
based
on
the
2018
community
inventory.
L
L
So.
This
is
really
the
customer
journey
which
I've
really
spoken
to
already
of
obtaining
the
lic
financing
for
the
home
energy
retrofit
program.
It
takes
us
through,
as
I
said,
the
city
staff
will
be.
The
administration
lead
where
we
will
be
looking
at
our
target
markets
for
the
delivery
of
the
program,
the
delivery
partners
who
we've
worked
extensively
with
over
the
last
year
and
a
half
the
homeowners
that
would
apply
through
the
city.
L
We
will
be
launching
a
new
web
page
through
our
website
with
a
software
program
that
will
assist
them
in
determining
which
retrofits
would
be
suitable
for
their
home
after
they
complete
their
energy
audit.
And,
as
I
said,
this
energy
coach,
which
we
went
through
our
research,
we
have
determined.
It
was
really
a
best
practice
to
ensure
that
the
homeowner
doesn't
get
lost
in
the
paperwork
or
the
not
understanding.
L
What
retrofit
would
be
better
or
not
if
the
project
itself
has
the
potential
of
a
reduction
of
20
energy
or
g
savings,
they
would
be
eligible
for
the
funding
offer,
as
well
as
some
incentives
within
the
program
and
upon
completion
of
their
their
project
and
certification
from
the
city.
They
would
then
be
eligible
for
their
incentive.
Certainly,
the
incentives
would
include
the
energy
audit
itself.
We
do
know
that
the
greener
homes
program
for
the
federal
department
federal
government
is
offering
incentives,
so
they
won't
be
stacked
incentives.
L
The
energy
coach
will
assist
the
homeowner
to
determine
if
they
are
eligible
through
the
federal
program
for
the
incentive,
then
they
would
not
be
eligible
for
the
city
program,
so
there
certainly
wouldn't
be
that
stacking,
but
they
certainly
can
access
as
many
programs
that
are
available
right
now
through
enbridge
as
well.
There's
some
programming,
so
we
will,
with
the
energy
coach
as
well,
be
working
through
that
throughout
the
entire
process.
L
L
H
J
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
I'm
I'm
I'm
increasingly
pleased
by
this
program.
I
think
it
I
didn't,
realize
the
percentages
of
significance
to
to
our
target,
so
I
want
to
commend
miss
salter
keen
on
tremendous
work.
I
guess
I'm
just
wondering
I
happen
to
mention
this
to
a
couple
of
people
on
my
staff
of
this
program,
because
I've
been
reading
about
it,
but
people
were
wondering
if
it.
If
it's,
if
it's
no
one
really
thinks
they're
gonna
qualify.
J
Is
there
some
simplification
built
into
this
that
doesn't
take
rocket
science
to
to
apply?
Will
there
be
a
sense
of
keeping
it
simple
in
the
applications
and
that
for
homeowners
today,
young
couples
and
all
that
can
you
know,
is
it?
Is
it
different
culture
or
you
know?
What
are
we?
How
are
we
simplifying
it
for
people.
L
Thank
you
and
for
you,
mr
chair,
absolutely
we
will
make
this
program
as
simple
and
as
easy
to
apply
for
and
participating
as
we
can,
and
I
think
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
have
established
this
energy
coach,
which
is
funded
through
the
sem
funding,
we'll
sit
with
sustainable
kingston
and
upon
the
application.
The
application
form
will
be
simple
and
the
the
really
the
key
to
it
would
be
the
energy
audit
and
upon
the
completion
of
the
energy
audit.
L
Then
the
energy
coach
will
work
with
those
homeowners
to
assist
them
in
determining
what
retrofits
would
be
best
suitable
and
to
ensure
that
they
can
work
through
the
the
funding
and
the
lic
program.
One
really
interesting
and
probably
very
important
component
as
well,
is
that
the
interest
rate
is
zero
percent
on
the
lic,
so
it
can
be
up
to
a
20-year
loan
on
and
it
sits
with
the
property,
not
the
homeowner,
and
it's
a
zero
percent
interest
that
we
are
very
happy
that
we're
able
to
offer
as
well
through
the
scm
funding
agreement.
J
Yes,
thank
you
for
that,
and
the
next
question,
mr
chair,
is
that
I'm
being
a
contractor,
I'm
not
going
to
be
in
the
program.
I
understand
that,
but
being
a
contractor,
I
am
very
very
familiar
in
that
world
and
I
guess
I'm
wondering:
is
there
going
to
be
a
list
of
contractors
who
do
windows
and
installation
and
doors,
and
that
kind
of
stuff,
so
is
that
excuse
me
is
that
are
going
to
be
a
priority
list
or
like
how?
How
is
how
are
where's
the
protection
that
this
will
be
done?
J
L
Where
we
want
them,
they
will
be
participating
in
to
be
able
to
participate
in
the
program
as
a
contractor
to
understand
an
energy
audit
and
a
retrofit,
and,
like
you
said
yes,
you
know
you
can
purchase
through
the
energy
audit
may
show
they
need
new
windows
and
they,
you
know,
if
the
contractor
doesn't
do
the
the
installation
correctly
is
you're
not
going
to
achieve
those
ghg
emission
reduction
nor
the
energy
reduction
as
well.
So
we
have
recognized
that
and
we
will
be
addressing
that
and
working
with
our
service
partners
as
well.
C
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
for
the
presentation
and
phantom
news
about
the
name
like
that's
so
so
really
great.
It's
also
really
great
because
in
many
ways
municipality
is
actually
leading
this
project
because
we
used
to
have
the
exact
kind
of
programs
run
by
the
provincial
government
in
in
collaboration
with
the
federal
government
so
and
with
squirrel
they
used
to
be
called
hearthmakers
they.
They
were
really
actively
involved
in
that,
and
you
mentioned
that
they're
involved
now
with
sustainable
kingston.
F
L
Thank
you
answer
you,
mr
chair.
Yes,
so
red
squirrel.
When
we
designed
the
program
we
knew
we
wanted
the
energy
coach.
We
thought
that
would
be
best
suited
to
sit
with
a
non-profit
and
not
with
the
city
where
they
would
be
able
to
really
work
with
the
homeowners
and
at
that
time,
red
squirrel,
as
you
said,
was
on
their
own
and
through
the
asset
transfer,
that's
happened
over
the
last
eight
months.
They
have
brought
their
services
under
sustainable
kingston,
so
their
registered
energy
advisors.
L
So
under
the
program
as
well,
the
they
they
will
have
to
be
registered
energy
advisors
through
nrcan
that
will
be
on
conducting
the
energy
audits
and
rent
a
sustainable
kingston
with
their
their
staff
that
have
come
from
redsville
will
be
participating
in
being
those
energy
advisors
and
then
as
well.
Cedric
pepperley
is
now
the
executive
director
of
sustainable
kingston,
and
he
has
the
background
and
the
training
in
energy
audits
as
well
and
he'll
be
leading
the
energy
coach
services
for
for
all
the
homeowners.
L
So
it's
really
a
great
fit
with
sustainable
kingston.
They
have
the
expertise
that
they
will
need
to
be
able
to
do
the
energy
coach
work
and
work
with
the
homeowners
to
ensure
that
it's
a
successful
program
and
one
one
other
thing.
I
just
want
to
add
at
the
completion
through
the
four
years
at
the
completion
each
energy
retrofit
with
each
homeowner
survey
will
be
required
for
them
to
fill
in.
C
A
Mr
chair,
through
you,
we
we
do
not
have
any
members
of
the
public
with
us
this
evening,
so
there
will
be
no
one
to
speak
to
the
item.
I
do
also
just
want
to
note.
I
see
julie,
salter
keene
does
have
her
hand
up.
I
know
she
wants
to
make
a
comment
about
potentially
amending
the
recommendation
to
be
fast-tracked.
So
I
let
her
speak
to
that
as
well.
L
I
apologize,
I
meant
to
include
that
in
my
briefing
to
you
as
well,
and
the
only
comment
I
have
is
I
would
appreciate
if
the
committee
could
fast-track
this
recommendation
to
council
to
the
december
21st
council
meeting
in
order
that
we
can
get
moving
on
our
service
level
agreements
and
memorandums
of
understanding.
So
we
can
keep
on
track
to
launch
this
program
as
quickly
as
possible.
C
G
B
So,
just
before
we
vote,
I
just
wanted
to
get
some
comments
on
the
record
on
behalf
of
all
the
tenants
in
kingston,
of
which
I
am
one,
and
I
think
the
only
one
on
council-
I
I
don't.
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
this.
I
think
it
is
as
miss
sultry
king
was
saying
a
great
step
forward
and
a
great
opportunity,
as
councilor
ostroff
was
saying
to
to
you,
know,
encourage
these
retrofits.
I
think
that
it's
all
very
logical
and
it
will
have
an
effect.
B
B
So
you
know
that
it's
another
way
to
to
sell
it
and
it
may
be
another
way
to
really
ease
the
minds
of
those
going
through
the
renovations,
because
renovations
are
stressful
right.
So
I
don't
know
if
this
is
a.
If
can
I
still
ask
a
question
and
maybe
miss
altercain
could
comment
on
the
home
resale
value
aspect
and
whether
that's
being
considered.
L
Thank
you
through
you,
mr
chair,
and
that
is
a
great
question.
We
do
have
the
numbers
about
the
average
increase
in
value
of
homes
for
the
when
you
do
retrofits,
and
we
have
identified
that
as
one
of
the
duties
of
the
energy
boat.
I
just
don't
have
the
numbers
in
front
of
me
and
what
that
value
was.
But
when
we
designed
the
program,
we
absolutely
took
that
into
consideration.
C
You
any
further
questions
or
comments
seeing
that
the
public
aren't
present.
I
will
ask
for
a
mover
and
seconder
and
we'll
have
a
further
opportunity
to
make
comments
so
mover
and
a
secondary
counselor.
Oh
wait
did
I
already
do
that
counselor,
sanik
and
counselor
dougherty?
I
believe
I
did
yeah
you
didn't
it's
been
a
long
day.