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Environment, Infrastructure and Transportation Policies Committee meeting from February 9, 2021. For full meeting agenda visit https://bit.ly/3rGm8AU
B
B
B
So
good
evening,
everybody
we'll
I'll
call
the
meeting
to
order.
I'm
usually
vice
chair,
I'm
chairing
tonight,
councillor
straub
straubel
is
hopefully
going
to
be
able
to
join
us
as
soon
as
he
gets
off
work
councillor.
Holland
has
gracefully
agreed
to
be
my
vice
chair
for
the
evening,
which
is
great
so
we'll
move
on
to
approval
of
the
agenda.
If
we
have
a
mover
and
a
seconder
moved
by
councillor
sanik
seconded
by
councillor,
dougherty,
all
those
in
favor
and
that's
carried.
B
Thank
you
confirmation
of
minutes.
We
have
minutes
from
our
december
6th
me
eighth
meeting.
Sorry,
I'm
reading
from
a
very
small
phone
and
from
our
january
11th
meeting,
we've
all
had
an
opportunity
to
read
them.
Are
there
any
questions
or
anything
that
needs
remedying,
seeing
not
none?
I
will
request
to
move
her
in
the
secondary.
B
C
Hey
so
thank
you,
mr
vice
chair
and
and
good
evening
to
the
committee
and
and
members
of
the
public.
My
name
is
matt
cousin
and
I'm
a
manager
of
policy
and
programs
within
transportation
services
and
tonight
I'll
be
providing
a
short
briefing
on
the
review
we
conducted
of
the
quiet
streets
pilot
initiative
next
slide.
Please.
C
So
as
a
direct
response
to
the
need
for
additional
space
for
pedestrians
and
cyclists
to
physically
distance
a
number
of
cities
across
north
america,
trial,
quiet
street
or
slow
street
programs,
each
differed
slightly
in
their
implementation,
but
there
was
a
common
or
there
were
common
themes
throughout,
including
the
use
of
movable
or
temporary
materials
such
as
barrels
with
signage,
and
these
were
implemented
with
the
intent
to
discourage
non-local
traffic
from
traveling
along
the
roadway
next
slide.
Please.
C
So
in
kingston
the
quiet
streets
pilot
was
led
by
volunteers
of
the
kingston
coalition
for
active
transportation
or
kcat
and
was
supported
by
city
staff.
Streets
were
identified
for
implementation
by
kcat
in
consultation
with
staff
and
kcat
submitted
an
application
for
the
implementations
through
the
temporary
road
closure
process.
Next
slide,
please.
C
So
the
quiet
streets
initiative
was
a
great
opportunity
for
a
community
group
to
engage
with
residents
in
a
responsive
way,
with
the
intent
of
prioritizing
active
transportation
along
the
local
roadway.
So
quiet
streets
was
implemented
under
the
circumstances
of
the
pandemic,
so
some
challenges
were
expected.
C
So
one
of
the
the
significant
trends
that
emerged
was
the
desire
for
traffic
calming
on
neighborhood
streets.
The
implementation
itself
focused
on
limiting
the
volume
of
vehicles
traveling
along
a
local
road
through
the
use
of
local
traffic,
only
signage
without
more
robust
data
collection,
the
effectiveness
of
the
volume
reduction
was
was
unclear,
but
the
initiative
did
highlight
the
continued
desire
for
traffic
calming
and
for
calmer
local
roads.
C
The
initiative
used
and
and
demonstrated
the
importance
of
of
mapping
and
wayfinding
tools
geared
towards
active
transportation,
quad
streets
also
more
broadly
demonstrated
the
desire
for
pedestrian
connections
at
a
neighborhood
level,
which
is
further
explored
in
the
pedestrian
crossing
information
report
before
you
tonight.
The
quiet
streets
initiative
also
demonstrated
the
value
and
and
desire
for
community-led
initiatives.
C
The
initiative
provided
a
you
know
a
community
group
k-cat
with
an
opportunity
to
address
transportation
concerns
within
neighborhoods
the
the
movable,
signage
and
barriers
that
were
used
in
quiet
streets
in
the
initiative
presented
some
operational
and
maintenance
challenges
for
kcat
and
for
city
staff.
The
signs
and
barriers
were
were
often
moved
aside
and,
in
some
cases,
created
an
environment
for
users
where
visibility
and
necessary
access
were
limited
in
some
cases,
but
these
challenges
weren't,
unique
to
kingston
and
and
were
a
challenge
in
similar
implementations
across
ontario,
where
movable
materials
were
used.
C
The
the
initiative
did
require
significant
resourcing
to
to
plan
and
operate.
So
in
addition
to
the
the
significant
contributions
of
of
the
volunteers
of
kcat,
the
city
supported
the
initiative
with
250
sorry
285
staff
hours
and
provided
funding
of
19
000.
For
materials
so
from
planning
through
to
to
implementation,
the
initiative
was
quite
resource.
Intensive
next
slide.
D
C
C
So
staff
are
are
recommending
the
integration
of
some
of
the
elements
of
quiet
streets
initiatives
into
the
forthcoming
finalized
traffic.
Calming
policy
update
as
part
of
the
community-based
initiatives
which
are
also
outlined
in
the
the
traffic
calming
update
report
also
before
you
tonight
so
to
incorporate
this
work.
Staffer
are
recommending
some
next
steps,
so
these
include
the
development
of
a
process
for
the
application
of
block
level
local
traffic,
only
interventions
for
a
pre,
predefined
or
temporary
period
of
time
on
local
roadways.
C
C
B
B
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
thank
you
for
the
presentation
being
a
rural
counselor.
I
I
only
experience
the
quiet
streets,
I
think
in
my
own
driving
and-
and
I
have
some
of
your
comments
were
about,
I
think
you
were
about
these.
The
signage
issues
are:
are
you
working
on
the
beautification
of
that?
The
only
calls
I
got
were
when
I
visited
people
in
the
city
that
didn't
like
the
barricades
and
the
feeling
of
construction
and
it's
kind
of
an
invasive
sign.
What
what
is
that?
C
Yeah
through
you,
mr
vice
chair.
Yes,
so
I
think
one
of
one
of
the
key
pieces
that
we're
looking
at
is
to
to
ensure
that
the
signage
that
we
do
use,
isn't
you
know,
isn't
movable,
isn't
you
know
easily
movable
so
that
you
know
from
an
operational
standpoint?
It's
more.
You
know
realistic
to
you,
know
to
have
in
place
and
and
not
be
monitoring.
You
know
at
all
times
in
terms
of
the
look
and
feel
of
the
signage.
C
C
D
E
Obviously,
every
area
I'm
as
a
rural
counselor,
you
know-
I
I
actually
you
know
I
just
actually.
Mr
semple
knows
that
a
conversation
we
just
had
in
a
school
zone
that
doesn't
quite
qualify
for
guards,
but
we
have
you
know,
would
be
great
to
have
a
mentality
by
the
public
and
everyone
really
not
not
just
drivers
in
this
case
in
my
mind,
but
that
you
know
quiet
streets
would
be
something
that
I
think
we
all.
E
I
see
it
for
its
potential
and
it's
you
know,
and
so
is.
Are
there
any
examples
of
in
other
communities?
Or
whatever
can
we
look
at
rural,
some
railroads?
I
do
get
a
considerable
number
of
streets
roads
in
my
area
that
are
cross
cuts
and
I've
always
wondered
you
know
when
jackson
mills,
for
example
and
lisa
would
relate
to
this.
We
a
traffic
calming
measure
was
that
we
put
barricades
up
because
the
bridge
was
going
out,
so
we
have
one
lane
only.
E
It's
amazing
how
that
actually
created
a
quieter
quieter
inadvertently,
maybe
because
it
was
a
safety
issue,
but
I
think
it
actually
worked
but
two
ways
it
protected
the
walking
area.
And
so
I
just
wonder
what
what
what
thoughts
have
we
got
for
rural
areas
and
can
we
learn
and
do
we
have
any
candidates,
or
would
you
like
some
candidates
to
look
at
a
a
different
example
of
traffic
calming.
F
F
So
there
are
the
way
that
we're
going
to
incorporate.
That
is,
is
as
part
of
what
we're
calling
community-based
initiatives
or
community-based
treatments,
and
but
that
does
not
preclude.
I
think
us
looking
at
the
other
types
of
tools
that
would
work
both
those
other
categories
that
were
bringing
forward
the
minor
adjustments
and
the
and
the
engineered
approaches
for
ways
that
that
would
get
at
some
of
those
components.
F
So
there
are,
there
are
a
variety
of
tools
that
we're
bringing
back
as
part
of
the
traffic
calming
update,
some
of
which
the
groupings
of
which
are
discussed
in
the
information
report.
That's
also
on
the
agenda
tonight
that
that
are
intended
to
provide
a
broader
range
of
ways
that
we
can
intervene
in
in
some
of
these
in
in
these
traffic
and
speed
related
matters.
E
Yeah
yeah,
okay,
thank
you.
Well,
I
think
about
you
know
the
hamlets
that
we
have
now
that
we're
kind
of
focused
on
even
you
know,
planning
wise
and
would
be
interesting
if
we
could
talk
about
that
and
do
some
discovery
on
hamlet
traffic
calming
within
hamlets
and
because
we
have
more
and
more
children,
we're
going
to
probably
have
some
intensification
of
housing
and
and
sidewalks
and
it'll
be
interesting
to
see.
E
If
that
would
be,
you
know,
eventually
it's
going
to
train
drivers
to
know
that
hey
they're,
coming
through
algebra
or
any
any
any
hamlet
that
we
have
and
and
there's
signage,
even
even
sometimes
just
the
signage
will
will
remind
drivers,
and
so
it's
I'd
like
to
just
do
some
discovery
in
that
way,
and
I
look
forward
to
to
more
hearing
from
you
more
and
talking
about
it.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
thanks
for
the
presentation
matt
that
was
really
good.
I
have
similar
questions
to
counselor
us,
particularly
the
the
habit
of
cutting
through
neighborhoods
is,
is
something
I'd
like
to
to
talk
about
more,
but
before
that
I'd
just
like
to
mention
the
some
of
the
signage
that
the
quiets
that
kcat
used
for
the
quiet
street
project.
They
were
actually
almost
too
too
attractive
because
a
lot
of
them
got
stolen
by
university
students.
G
So
the
actual
designs
of
the
the
some
of
the
signs
were
actually
really
really
good.
I
think
what
people
were
frustrated
with
were
the
pylons
and
the
look
of
construction,
and-
and
that's
true
too
so-
just
wanted
to
to
correct
that,
because
they
were
really
attractive
signs
regarding
the
cross-cutting,
I'm
thinking
particularly
streets,
like
country
club
drive
and
old
oak
road
people
go
from
king
street
to
johnson
street
and
they're
flying
through
at
quite
the
speed
and
so
neighborhood
streets.
G
Don't
only
have
more
traffic
than
they
normally
would
have,
but
they'll
also
have
faster
speeds
there.
So
in
the
report
you
talk,
you
use
the
term
block
level
and
which
it
makes
sense
like
it's
only
for
a
certain
area,
and
you
talk
about
quiet
streets
being
only
for
restricted
time
period.
But
when
you
talk
about
using
heavy
anchored
material,
are
you
also
talking
about
potentially
using
emblem
introducing
bollards
that
could
be
used
throughout
the
school
firm,
which
is
eight
months,
that
kind
and
to
to
stop
that
kind
of
cross-cutting?
C
I
have
through
you,
mr
vice
chair,
thanks
for
the
question
counselor
doherty,
so
in
terms
of
the
use
of
of
bollards.
More
broadly
as
a
you
know,
as
a
minor
adjustment
measure,
as
a
traffic
calming
implementation
certainly
would
be
part
of
you
know
the
toolkit
that
that
we
would
be
bringing
forward
as
part
of
the
finalized
traffic
calming
guidelines.
G
So
from
maybe
some
experiences
with
some
experience
that
you
may
have
or
experiences
in
other
communities
with
a
cut
cut
through
kind
of
problem,
if
one
section
of
that
route
it
has
a
quite
street
project,
it
would
probably
serve
as
a
deterrent
as
well.
Wouldn't
it
be
so
not
just
bowlers,
but
there's
even
a
very
quite
a
small
section
would
have
really
restricted
kind
of
traffic
that
would
kind
of
the.
B
C
I
think
thanks
counselor
doherty
for
for
the
question
yeah,
so
yeah.
I
think
the
the
intent
of
a
local
traffic
only
implementation
would
be
geared
towards
it.
It
it
it
doesn't,
have
a
component
of
enforcement
associated
with
it,
so
it
is
reliant
on.
You
know,
informational
signage,
that
that
would
have
that
effect
of
limiting
through
traffic,
but
that
that
would
be
the
intent
of
that
type
of
implementation.
G
So
when
we
kind
of
introduce
this
in
our
our
and
long
term,
we're
really,
depending
on
community
and
neighborhoods,
to
to
introduce
these
kind
of
block
measures
of
choice.
How
do
we
know
that
that'll
be
successful
like
what
kind
of
support
are
we
planning
on
giving
them?
Because
we
can't
assume
that
they'd
be
as
professional
and
as
knowledgeable
as
k-cat
that
have
been
working
on
traffic
issues
for
for
a
long
long
time
with
the
city.
F
F
When
we're
looking
at
the
traffic
calming
update,
we
have
three
three
approaches
that
we're
using
so
instead
of
the
typical
approach
of
what
can
we
design
on
this
street,
we're
now
looking
at
three
streams,
these
minor
treatments
like
matt
was
talking
about,
that
might
be
a
baller
installed
or
some
line
painting
and
the
like
this.
The
second
of
which,
though,
is
these
community
based
initiatives
and
kind
of
building
on
your
question.
F
F
You
know
kcat
shared
information
with
us
about
you
know
other
ideas
for
roots
and
areas
where
people
were
having
difficulty
crossing.
So
it's
the
the
community
stream
of
of
tools
really
really
sort
of
are
about
sharing
information
and
generating
discussion
that
leads
to
that.
That
leads
to
other
things
as
well,
so
to
your
question
now.
So
how
would
we?
F
How
are
we
then
envisioning
supporting
something
on
a
block
level
where
you
might
have
a
group
of
residents,
or
maybe
a
community
group
that
that's
part
of
what
we'll
bring
back
in
the
update,
but
the
process
would
be
modeled
similar
to
the
way
that
we
provided
some
support
to
kcat
this
summer.
So
we
would
look
at
ways
that
we
can
provide,
as
matt
noted,
the
the
right
materials.
So
a
new
signage,
signage,
that's
more
durable
and
heavier,
and
you
know
information
on
how
that
needs
to
be
set
up.
F
You
know
larger
where
they
say
are
closing
the
street
on
a
saturday
afternoon
and
they
need
to
have
a
number
of
other
pieces
in
place.
So
we're
looking
at
ways
that
we
would
provide
the
materials
and
then
I
think
the
information
for
what
they
would
need
to
do,
but
then
also
some
of
the
financial
ways
that
we
could
offset
those
those
responsibilities.
F
We
don't
have
all
the
details
of
that.
What
that
would
look
like
worked
out,
but
there
are
other
examples
of
the
way
that
we
do
that
in
the
city,
as
it
relates
to
reckon
leisure
programs
and
some
culture
programs,
where
we,
where
we
offset
and
provide
funding
to,
allow
community
groups
or
or
residents
to
to
take
that
action.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
or
vice
chair
through
you
to
staff.
So
I
don't
want
to
overlap
the
questions
that
we're
also
going
to
be
asking
tonight
for
traffic
calming,
but
for
a
street
to
be
considered
for
quiet
street
going
forward.
Does
that
still
come
from
like
it
still
gets
vetted
through
k-cat
they're,
the
ones
that
ultimately
decide
when
they
discuss
it
with
city
staff?
C
I
thank
you.
Thank
you,
counselor
osanac,
for
the
the
question.
It's
a
it's
a
good
question
and
through
you,
mr
vice
chair,
so
I
think
those
are
details
that
that
we
still
need
to
sort
through.
So
that
is
one
of
the
next
steps
is
for
us
to
develop.
What
that
intake
process
would
look
like.
There
are
a
number
of
different
elements
to
to
consider
in
terms
of
you
know
the
the
locations
and
and
how
we're
fielding
those
those
community
requests.
D
D
It
was
a
very
downtown
focus,
so
I
had
disappointed
constituents
and
then
I
was
also
disappointed
from
you
know
like
a
suburb
counselor,
that
there
were
no
streets
out
in
the
burbs
that
were
chosen,
so
you
know
hopefully,
then
that
we
can
be
more
inclusive
and
give
woodbine
road
a
shot
or
some
other
street
out
in
the
suburbs,
a
shot.
That's
what
we're
looking
forward
to,
and
hopefully
it
can
happen
sooner
than
later.
So
thank
you.
F
Yes,
thank
you
through,
mr
vice
chair,
yes,
councilors.
I
think
just
just
for
clarity.
That
is
that
also
and
as
you,
you
know,
kind
of
overlaps,
the
traffic
coming.
That
is,
the
intent
of
those
community-based
treatments.
So
it's
those
community-based
treatments
and
the
quiet
street
elements.
It's
not
the
intent
in
the
longer
term
that
all
of
those
would
be
vetted
through
a
community
group
for
implementation.
B
Thank
you
seeing
no
other
hands
if
councillor
holland
could
take
the
chair
sure
go
ahead.
Thank
you.
I
know
both
mr
simple
and
both
ian
and
matt
have
heard
me
talk
about
white
boulevards.
Before
a
decade
ago,
the
mayor
of
madison,
wisconsin
or
the
ex-mayor
came
to
the
city
and
talked
about
what
he
called
traffic
calming
on
steroids,
which
is
creating
bike
boulevards
now
the
biggest
problem
he
said
they
had
in
madison
was
every
every
block
suddenly
wanted
to
be
a
bike
boulevard.
B
B
Have
you
found
that
that's
an
issue-
and
I
just
want
to
say
personally
max
street-
is
in
my
district
and
there
was
a
little
bit
of
pushback
at
the
beginning,
but
everybody
loved
it
and
people
asked
me
where,
where
did
all
the
book?
Where
did
all
the
signage
go
after
it
was
taken
down
so
clearly
it?
It
was
popular
in
that
area.
But
if,
if
you
could
speak
to
that
matt,
that
would
be
great.
C
Thanks
for
the
the
question
counselor
neil
and
and
it's
it's
a
good
one,
and
I
think
he
picked
up
on
an
important
point
there
that
you
know
in
the
beginning
there
you
know
there
was
some
hesitation
or
concern,
but
the
the
nature
of
mac
street
you
know
was
a
was
an
appropriate
one
for
for
a
type
of
implementation
like
this.
In
being
a
you
know,
a
lower
volume,
local
road,
I
think
in
terms
of
more
you
know
more
broadly
looking
at
roots
in
a
neighborhood.
C
I
think
there
there
are
some
ways
in
which
you
know
we'd
look
to
kind
of
develop
those
pieces
as
part
of
the
the
way
finding
approaches
that
we've
identified
in
the
active
transportation
implementation
plan.
So
it
really
does
take
a
a
broad.
It
requires
a
broader
approach
to
look
at
connections
to
to
transit
and
other
destinations
within
within
a
neighborhood
and
requires
that
that
broader
neighborhood
transportation
approach.
B
C
Through
you,
mr
vice
chair,
thanks
for
the
question,
also
also
a
good
one,
I
think
in
so
in
terms
of
what
was
implemented
as
part
of
quiet
streets
in
in
this
pilot
approach,
the
signage
was
focused
on
on
local
traffic.
Only
so
discouraging
you
know,
through
traffic
on
the
streets
that
that
were
implemented,
there
wasn't
specific
speed,
related
signage
or
changes
that
were
involved.
C
C
B
Not
too
long
ago,
counselors
were
requested
to
name
a
couple
of
streets,
identify
a
couple
streets
that
they
felt
could
benefit
from
traffic.
Calming
consideration,
have
you
considered,
or
would
you
consider,
having
a
clear
statement
of
criteria
of
what
a
quiet
street
would
be
and
invite
members
of
council
to
identify
a
couple
of
blocks
like
one
or
two
blocks
stretch
within
their
district
that
they
think
could
benefit
from
that?
Is
that
a
consideration,
or
would
you
consider
that,
with
the
expansion
of
this
project,
that's
yourself.
F
What's
my
hierarchy
of
where
we
are
in
in
this
committee
right
now,
so
just
to
your
question
counselor
neil,
I
think
that
some
of
what
you're
talking
about
may
be
the
approach
that
we're
looking
at
modifying
the
traffic
calming
policy
in
the
way,
in
the
way
that
the
district
counselors
can
make
requests
sort
of
annual
requests
so
identifying
a
street
within
your
district
for
a
minor,
a
minor
adjustment
treatment.
So
the
and-
and
that
could
include
elements
of
you-
know
local
traffic,
only
all
of
those
kind
of
components.
F
The
updated
traffic
calming
policy
is
intended
to
sort
of
allow
us
in
a
more
nimble
way,
to
make
some
adjustments
on.
You
know
a
section
of
a
roadway
or
or
within
a
neighborhood
area,
with
some
some
faster
tools,
some
minor
tools
that
that
is
probably
more
geared
to
the
way
that
we
would
respond
to
that.
That
request,
rather
than
rather
than
a
quiet
streets,
intake,
request.
B
B
B
A
Mr
chair,
I'm
just
going
to
remind
the
members
of
the
public
who
are
with
us
this
evening
that
they
will
need
to
use
the
raised
hand
function
within
zoom,
which
is
located
at
the
bottom
of
their
screen
when
they
move
their
mouse
over
the
window.
We
do
have
a
hand
up,
and
I'm
going
to
ask
mr
healy
if
he
would
like
to
unmute.
J
Well,
thank
you
through
you,
mr
chair.
I
would
just
like
to
thank
the
the
staff
for
all
their
report
and
their
review
of
of
the
quiet
streets
work.
If,
if,
as
everyone,
as
you
probably
know,
I,
I
was
heavily
involved
with
kcat
and
I
think
I
think
they
captured
certainly
the
the
essence
of
what
we
learned
and
and
even
though
we
set
out
with
with
the
quiet
streets
thing
project
not
being
traffic
calming,
it
was
traffic
calm.
J
I
think
cake
could
could
certainly
serve
to
facilitate
some
of
that,
but,
but
I
think
I
think
the
local
neighborhoods
really
do
know
their
streets
and
and
that's
something
that
that
that
we
should
pay
attention
to
and
and
and
also
counselors
know
their
streets.
They
know
where
they
get
the
complaints
and
concerns
and
and
counselors
should
also
be
able
to
to
weigh
in
on
this
at
any
time.
J
But
I,
but
I
think
the
the
idea
of
blocking
some
streets
here
and
there
just
to
kind
of
frustrate
cut
through
traffic,
I
think
would
be-
would
be
quite
well
received
and
and
and
quite
doable.
So
anyway
again,
I
think
I
think
the
lessons
learned
were
were
good
and
applied
applied.
Hopefully
we'll
see
them
in
the
traffic
common
policy,
and
so
thanks
thanks
for
the
time.
B
Great,
thank
you
very
much.
So
we'll
go
back
to
mover
and
a
seconder,
I
believe
councilor
holland
and
councillor
doherty
have
moved
and
seconded
that
any
further
questions
from
the
committee
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
carried
unanimously.
Thank
you
very
much,
and
let
me
just
get
back
to
here.
We
are.
We
have
two
information
reports
before
us.
The
first
is
regarding
pedestrian
crossing
and
school
crossing
locations,
and
there
is
a
report
before
us
and
it's
for
information.
Only
quick
question
to
the
clerk.
A
I
I
I
guess
I'm
just
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
that,
like
the
new
candidates
versus
the
2019
report-
and
there
is
there's
a
change,
for
example
with.
I
think
it
was
2019.
It's
the
there's,
a
recommended
or
candidate
option
at
concession
in
king's
court
and
then
the
current
one
is
concession
in
fergus.
So
is
there
what
sort
of
has
there
been
now?
I
know
we've
we've
had
lots
of
conversations
about
this,
but
I'm
just
curious.
What
that
has
analysis
taken
place?
I
F
F
That
included
all
of
these
existing
school
crossings
so
places
where
we
had
a
school
crossing
guard
that
that
were
formalized
at
school
crossings.
While
the
guard
was
there,
but
not
necessarily
when
they
were
not
so
in
from
a
good
news
standpoint,
the
city
has
been
has
received
funding
from
under
the
isip
program.
That
would
allow
us
to
fund
a
number
of
new
locations.
F
So
if
you
recall
the
four
locations
when
we
committed
to
those,
we
noted
that
any
additional
locations
were
contingent
both
on
funding
and
on
the
city's
ability
to
sort
of
re
resource
that
construction.
So
we've
certainly
checked
one
of
the
boxes
that
we
now
have
funding
in
place
that
that
are
that
is
geared
to
pedestrian
access,
notably
transit,
rider
access,
but
pedestrians
and
enhancing
that
pedestrian
access
across
the
city.
So
there
is
some
the
the
listing.
F
The
preliminary
list
that
has
been
generated
includes
those
candidate
locations
that
were
that
were
shown
in
the
at
plan
and
and
our
school
crossing
locations
that
are
all
meant
to
be
upgraded
for
those
that
are
eligible
they're
all
there.
It
doesn't
include
the
intersections
that
were
identified
as
candidates,
because
this
is
primarily
geared
to
pedestrian
crossings,
and
it
also
includes
the
locations
or
the
locations
that
have
since
come
in
requests
from
counselors
from
residents
or
other
places
that
have
been
identified
through
kind
of
staff.
F
F
You
would
likely
have
a
similar
question
about
elliott,
avenue
and
sort
of
the
existing
location
at
lyon
street
versus
the
the
pathway
connection
that
exists
that
exists
to
the
west
part
of
why
we're
bringing
this
list
and-
and
it's
a
preliminary
list-
is
to
now
sort
of
have
that
discussion
both
with
council
but
also
with
the
public.
So
because
we
should
have
the
ability
to.
We
certainly
have
the
funding
in
place
to
to
do
additional
locations.
F
And
then
we
would
do
a
more
fulsome
technical
analysis
before
we
bring
those
locations
back.
So
if
there's
a
location
that
is
not
on
the
preliminary
list,
then
during
the
engagement,
certainly
or
now
right.
So
we're
happy
to
like
take
those
locations
under
advisement
and
can
report
back
on
whether
they're
eligible
or
not,
and
what
the
recommended
location
would
be,
whether
it's
one
or
the
other,
or
both,
depending
on,
depending
on
sort
of
the
information
that
we
have
so
the
detailed
announce
that
the
detailed
analysis
that
has
been
done.
It
remains
to
be
done.
F
I
I
What
has
the
role
of
the
school
board
and
specifically
try
board
busing,
been
up
until
now
in
feeding
in
to
the
process
of
traffic
work
around
school
zones
and
what
kind
of
relationship
will
there
be
in
the
future
like
so?
Is
there
an
active
role?
Do
we
do
we
have
to
go
and
seek
information
from
schools
when
we're
doing
when
we're
trying
to
figure
out
what
kind
of
work
needs
to
take
place
or
are?
Are
they
already
sort
of
partners
in
the
discussions
about
traffic
flow
in
and
around
schools?
I
You
know
what
I'm
referring
to
it's
pretty
obvious.
You
know
just
the
traffic
flow
in
the
king's
court
area,
with
the
two
schools,
and
just
it
has
brought
to
light
the
fact
that
there
are
a
number
of
players
involved
in
traffic
traffic
supply,
let's
say
around
the
school,
so
yeah
what
what?
What
are
those
relationships
like
and
what
would
they
be
like?
I
F
Yes,
thank
you
for
your
question
and
through
you,
mr
actually
will
invite
mr
cousin
to
maybe
I'm
going
to
say,
but
I
know
that
I
know
that
we
we
have
a
relationship
with
the
school
boards,
both
at
both
at
the
school
board
level,
but
also
the
individual
school
level.
So
we
take
input
from
the
transport
tribor
transportation,
from
the
schools
from
the
school
parents
from
the
school
committees
through
our
our
normal
sort
of
customer
service,
but
we
also,
we
also
gather
input.
F
As
part
of
you
know,
our
community
group
work
as
some
of
the
safe
routes
to
school
programs
that
are
starting
to
form
the
school
boards.
The
schools
and
the
transportation
providers
are
all
sort
of
technical
stakeholders
that
we
would
discuss
any
changes
with,
or
or
certainly
at
least
inform
about,
changes
that
are
coming
up
that
would
be
recommended.
F
They
have
a
lot
of
valuable
information
for
us
as
well
input.
You
know,
especially
when
we're
seeing
changes
in
school
bus
patterns
or
times
or
dismissal
times
and
arrival
times,
that
I
think,
as
you
know,
counselor
holland,
you
know,
sometimes
a
change
of
10
minutes
or
15
minutes
can
can
upend
a
neighborhood
for,
for
you
know
an
hour.
C
C
So
often
you
know
transportation
concerns
are
are
being
funneled
to
principles
or
the
principals
are
the
ones
that
are
either
on
the
ground
each
day.
Seeing
you
know
the
pickup
and
drop
off
taking
place
or
hearing
it
from
their
staff.
So
we
work
with
with
principals
quite
closely
across
the
city
as
it
relates
to
to
transportation
issues,
as
well
as
as
the
tri
board
and
and
the
school
boards
in
the
local
area
as
well.
D
Through
you,
mr
vice
chair
questions
to
staff,
so
thanks
for
this
additional
big
list
like
this
is
really
good.
So
for
the
additional
funding
that
we've
received
right
and
then
on
page
on
15
of
our
report
is
that
list
of
37
locations
when
more
locations
might
be
added
to
it,
depending
on
the
public
input,
but
the
funding
that
we
received
about
how
many
locations
do
you
think,
can
go
forward
like
from
this
list
of
37?
Do
you
think
only
15
other
ones
might
be
able
to
be
purchased
or
how
many
new
locations
do?
F
Thank
you
for
your
question
through
you,
mr
vice
chair.
So
the
answer
is
always,
fortunately
is.
It
depends
so
marissa
moscaro
who's,
the
manager
of
infrastructure,
transportation
infrastructure
is
here
tonight
as
well.
So
I'll
invite
her
to
correct
me
if
I'm,
if
I'm
representing
this
incorrectly,
so
the
preliminary
locations
that
we've
identified
with
what
we
understand,
the
upgraded
infrastructure
would
need
to
be
should
on
this
list,
so
this
list
of
37
will
fit
within
the
funding.
F
F
The
key,
though,
is
about
the
from
a
funding
and
a
resource
standpoint.
The
key
is
the
complexity
of
the
infrastructure
that
we
need
to
build
so
basically
the
type
of
crossing.
We
need
to
build
some
of
the
crossings
on
this
list
and
we
haven't
and
again
that
would
come
when
we
bring
the
next
report,
when
we've
done
some
of
that
more
detailed
work,
some
of
the
some
of
the
crossings
that
we
add
may
be
maybe
an
always
stop
with
with
with
you
know
a
crosswalk.
That's
that's
part
of
it.
F
So
if
we,
if
we
approach
this
in
the
right
way,
we
should
be
able
to
develop
almost
like
an
annual
program
of
pedestrian
crossings
that
would
be
able
to
be
implemented
and
built.
You
know
annually
until
until
that,
at
least
until
2027
and
depending
on
the
other
funding
stream,
so
so
we're
confident
with
this
list
pending
some
additional
you,
but
then
also
pending
the
other
locations
that
come
in
and
our
analysis
and
and
and
how
we
can.
D
Thank
you,
mr
sunfo.
I
like
that's
such
good
news,
I'm
like
almost
speechless.
It's
just
like
we're
so
used
to
hearing
you
know.
Well,
this
is
our
list
of
everything
that
needs
to
be
done,
and
we
can
only
pick.
You
know
four
things
to
go
forward
like
I'm
so
happy.
I
asked
that
question
because
that
totally
you
know
changes.
D
D
If
we're
still
in
covid,
which
we
probably
will
be,
it
will
probably
just
be
another
zoom
meeting-
is
that
it
and
it
would
be
like,
would
it
be
a
standalone
special
one
that
we
would
advertise
widely
throughout
the
city,
or
would
it
be
like
lapped
on
to
the
eitpcc
committee
night
that
they
meet?
What
would
be
that
public
engagement
in
q2,
good
question.
F
Through
you,
yes,
so
right
now
at
looking
forward,
most
like
our
engagement
approach
is,
is
virtual,
so
yeah
the
intent
we've
not
laid
out
what
that
full
engagement
plan
looks
like,
but
I
expect
that
at
a
minimum
it
would
include,
you
know,
an
opportunity
for
the
public.
You
know
to
meet
and
understand
and
ask
the
questions
much
like
much
like
what
we're
doing
tonight
here
at
the
committee
to
understand.
F
The
third
way
that
we
handle,
that
is
so
we
receive
pedestrian
crossing
or
pedestrian
upgrade
requests
all
the
time
so
through
our
customer
service
through
and
through
requests
that
come
through
council.
So
when
we
are
receiving
those
requests,
now
we're
replying
and
letting
people
know
like
thanking
them,
letting
them
know,
sir,
where
we're
at
giving
them
a
link
to
this
report
so
that
they
have
some
information
and
letting
them
know
that
we
will
take
their
input
now,
and
we
can
add
that
into
the
consideration.
G
F
Through
through
you,
mr
vice
chair,
yes,
so
the
those
those
will
be
separate,
we'll
be
engaging
on
those
separately.
The
committee
may
also
recall
that
we're
in
the
midst
of
updating
our
pedestrian
crossing
guidelines
as
well,
so
that
that
is
also
underway
and
expected
in
the
spring.
That's
what
we
will
be
using
to
inform
that,
like
the
recommended
type
of
of
crossings
that
we
would
build,
so
we'll
also
have
that
available
shortly.
F
That
would
give
I
think,
both
residents
and
council,
a
better
understanding
of
the
types
of
crossings
that
we
would
be
using
and
the
ways
in
which
we
would
use
those
crossings.
So,
like
I
said
before,
in
response
to
council
osanic's
question,
you
know
their
our
ability
to
add
in
simpler
or
less
late,
less
resource
intensive
crossings
say
within
a
neighborhood,
we'll
need
to
balance
that
against.
Maybe
you
know,
requests
or
addressing
barriers
that
might
exist
for
along,
say
some
of
our
arterial
or
collector
roadways,
those
that'll
that
will
be.
F
G
Thank
you
and
when
we,
when
we
get,
we
see
when
we
receive
the
feedback
from
from
residents,
will
have
plenty
plenty
streets
on
our
list,
so
we'll
have
to
decide
which
ones
can
receive
the
priority.
So
you
mentioned
a
technical
analysis.
Can
you
just
explain
in
detail
a
little
bit
what
the
criteria
would
be.
F
F
You
know
how
many
people
are
using
or
the
potential
for
people
to
use
it.
The
funding
eligibility
is
linked
to
enhancing
connections
to
to
transit,
so
the
eligibility
it's
but
it's
not.
It
doesn't
necessarily
need
to
be
on
a
transit
route,
but
it
should
be
part
of
say,
a
neighborhood
route
or
a
neighborhood
connection
that
is
bringing
people
out
to
a
local
or
an
express
route.
F
So
we,
you
know
any
infrastructure
that
we
upgrade
must
be
accessible,
but
adding
accessible
infrastructure
sort
of
it
depends
on
the
the
type
of
road
that
we
have
the
age
of
the
road,
the
curbs
the
proximity
of
other
intersections.
So
we
look
at
from
a
site
standpoint
about
the
complexity
of
what
would
be
required
to
add
that
crossing
and
the
type
of
crossing
that
would
go
in
there.
F
You
know
it
was
not
just
a
matter
of
adding
in
the
signal,
heads
and
and
the
signals
to
allow
that
crossing
to
occur.
There
was
quite
a
bit
of
curb
and
asphalt
work
that
had
to
happen
in
order
to
integrate
the
crossing
in.
So
it's
that
kind
of
technical
analysis
that
would
need
to
be
done
at
these
locations
to
determine
their
viability
and
like
how
complex
they
would
be,
and
we
would
also
you
know,
check
for
eligibility,
and
you
know
if
we
have
information
about
the
number
of
users
that
are
there,
the
potential
users.
G
Okay
thanks,
I
do
have
one
more
question:
if
that's
all
right
ahead,
just
wondering
about
flexibility
in
the
process,
so
we
have
the
public
engagement,
we
pick
our
roads
or
pedestrian
crossings
and
and
we
have
until
2027
for
the
work
to
be
done
for
the
funding,
but
and
and
what's
at
one
stage
when
we
pick
the
roads,
I
assume
it'll
be
approved.
That
list
will
be
approved
by
council
and
then
what
flexibility
is
there?
F
F
The
four
signals
that
we're
building
you
know
we
it's
a
it's
a
12-month
process
from
the
start
of
design
through
to
kind
of
construction
and
activation,
so
depending
on
the
complexity
of
the
infrastructure
and
when
we're
in
design
and
sort
of
that
work
is
going
out.
There's
you
know,
there's
flexibility
that
exists.
You
know
along
there,
so
it
is.
It's
certainly
not
about
selecting
a
list
and
not
being
able
to
revisit
that
list
until
the
until
2027..
F
F
So
a
good
example
would
be,
if
you
know,
if
we
approved
a
list
of
of
locations,
but
two
years
later
a
school
closes
or
school
gets
added
it
may
it
would
make
sense
to
revisit
sort
of
what
those
locations
are
and
if
there's
a
need
to
to
to
add
or
shift
or
revisit.
Some
of
that,
I
think
we
from
a
staff
standpoint
we're
monitoring
that
all
the
time
and
so
we're
looking
at
both
our
you
know
our
certainly
our
annual
work
program
to
make
sure
it
makes
sense.
F
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Thank
you
again.
It's
amazing
amount
of
work
you
have
going
on
here.
For
that
I
guess
I
am
always
wondering.
Is
this
a
traffic
calming
initiative?
Is
it
strictly
only
for
areas
that
already
have
speed
limits
like
of
on
below
50
kilometers
an
hour?
Is
that
one
of
the
criteria
and
a
certain
amount
of
homes.
B
E
B
B
So
if
you
could
just
you
and
your
staff
could
keep
me
in
the
in
the
loop
on
anything
involving
concession
traffic
crossings.
That
would
be
much
appreciated.
I'm
sure
councillor,
holland,
won't
feel
that
I'm
coaching
on
her
territory,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
students
that
will
be
going
to
the
new
school.
F
All
thank
you,
mr
vega.
We
certainly
can
there's
a
number
of
locations
that
are
identified
there.
I
think
there
is.
There
is
both
the
movements
of
students
north
across
concession,
as
we
talked
about
like
in
in
the
kings
court
and
fergus,
and
even
alfred
kind
of
intersections
that
we
see,
but
also
with
the
creation
of
the
new
multi-use
path
that
extends
from
third
avenue
north
to
john
counter
with
the
connection
into
the
high
school.
You
know
some
of
the
while
there
are
signalized
crossings
at
in
locations
such
as
back
to
now.
F
You
know
the.
I
think
the
friendliness
of
that
sort
of
back
from
a
pedestrian
or
a
cycling
standpoint
to
be
able
to
travel
north
and
south
to
and
from
the
school
was
one
of
the
well
it.
Actually,
it
was
one
of
the
things
that's
identified
in
the
at
implementation
plan
for
the
wayfinding
approach
and
the
way
that
we
could
review
it,
but
it
also
came
up
pretty
strongly
as
part
of
the
quiet
streets
feedback
that
kcat
received
in
in
the
work
that
was
done
this
past
summer.
F
So
I
think
the
the
pedestrian
crossings
really
are
designed
to
get
at
those
barriers
that
exist
right
now,
but
but
they
they
are
part
of
the
overall
transportation
network
that
that
also
that
also
needs
needs
to
prioritize.
You
know
active
users,
so
walkers
and
and
cyclists
as
well.
So
I
think
that
feeds
into
some
of
what
mr
custom
was
raising
as
it
relates
to
wayfinding
and
identifying
roots,
and
we
certainly
would
look
at
the
ways
that
the
crossings
link
into
those
potential
roots
as
well.
A
B
C
A
B
E
F
Through
you,
mr
vice
chair,
so
this
these
are
the
locations
that
have
been
identified
so
far,
but
the
there
is
opportunity
for
other
locations
to
be
identified
for
pedestrian
crossings.
Some
of
I
know
you
mentioned
earlier
in
the
evening.
You
know
how
would
these
measures
and
how
would
the
pedestrian
crossings
you
know
apply
in
the
in
in
the
hamlet
areas?
F
That's
certainly
some
of
what
we've
been
looking
at
too
one
of
the
traffic
calming
projects
this
year,
which
is
on
unity,
road
at
the
school,
where
we're
trying
to
wrestle
with
what
that
implementation
could
look
like
is,
is
part
of
what
is
part
of
what's
envisioned.
The
pedestrian
crossing
guidelines
that
are
coming
in
would
would
speak
to.
You
know
how
those
could
be
added
in
any
location.
E
B
I
Is
there
an
option
like
would
would
staff
be
able
to
support
us
in
that
work?
Where
we
would,
let's
say,
have
a
poll
or
you
know,
connect,
have
a
community
event
or
some
sort
of
democratic
process
of
evaluating
which
of
the
priorities
within
the
district.
I
just
can
see
that
being
a
very
difficult
situation
to
handle.
F
Through
through
you,
mr
wester,
yes,
so
I
think
perhaps
counselor
all
and
if,
if
you'll
indulge
me
just
vermont
I'll,
just
maybe
provide
some
context
as
to
as
to
some
of
those
pieces
that
you're
speaking
to
so
the
information
report.
That's
here
tonight,
part
of
the
motion
that
that
was
passed
in
october
talked
about
coming
back
to
discuss.
F
You
know
how
the
policy
was
forming
and
in
particular
how
that
policy
would
would
or
could
affect
the
process
whereby
the
district
councillors
were
involved
from
a
traffic
stand
traffic
calming
standpoint,
so
there's
touched
on
it
a
little
bit
but
there's
sort
of
two
main
themes
in
the
report.
The
information
report
tonight.
The
first
is
that
we're
that
we're
looking
at
traffic
calming
sort
of
handled
in
three
main
streams.
F
The
minor
adjustment
measures
which
are
designed
to
be
more
nimble,
quicker
ways
that
we
can
address
a
concern
that
arises
in
a
neighborhood
community
based
initiatives,
which
of
which
the
quiet
street
elements
would
be
components
of
that
where
residents
themselves
could
undertake
some
measure
of
a
program
to
try
and
affect
kind
of
behavioral
change.
And
then
the
third
is
engineered
processes
which,
which
is
essentially
encompasses
what
we
have
right
now
so
where
we
come
in
and
do
some
design
work
on
the
roadway
and
on
in
all
of
the
streets.
F
So
then
the
other
piece
of
the
report
it
speaks
to
then
how
the
counselor
component
of
the
process
would
change
from
what
we
do
now.
So
in
the
existing
process,
counselors
select
two
streets
that
we
evaluate,
and
then
we
add
to
a
list
for
for
implementation
and,
as
we
talked
in
october,
that
list
is
sort
of
growing
and
growing
and
outpaces
our
ability
to
actually
use
some
of
those
engineered
processes
on
the
street
and
what?
F
What
with
the
way
the
policy
recommendation
is
for
the
change
in
the
traffic
comic
policy
is
that
we
move
away
from
that,
though
not
selecting
two
streets
for
study
each
year,
but
instead
committing
to
one
street
per
district
annually,
at
least
one
where
minor
measures
so
that
that
first
category
those
minor
adjustment
treatments
could
be
added
on
in
into
that
area.
So,
from
a
staff
resourcing
standpoint,
we
have
confidence
that
we
can.
We
can
implement
that
number
of
measures.
F
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I'm
sorry
I
oh
maybe
I
can
get
video
it
wasn't
to
allow.
No
I'm
getting
a
failed
video
message
tonight.
So
I'm
very
sorry
we
see.
Okay,
thank
you,
so
I
just
wanted
to
to
weigh
in
because
I
I
think
I
I
interpreted
part
of
counselor
holland's
question
to
be
about
the
support
that
we
might
be
able
to
give
to
to
have.
K
K
I
K
K
I
I
I
So,
for
example,
if
there
is
a
local
treatment
that
a
counselor
is
putting
forward,
and
there
are
a
few
options
available
well,
a
four-way
stop
sign,
isn't
a
part
part
of
that
package.
Why
is
that
the
case
right
like
that
that'll,
be
those
will
be
the
questions
that
we'll
have
to
respond
to.
So
I'm
just
wondering
what
the
sort
of
strategy
might
look
like
for
communicating
this
to
the
public.
F
Through
mr
president,
thank
you
so
counselor
allen.
Thank
you
for
your
questions,
because
part
of
for
a
large
part
of
the
work
that
staff
responding
to
a
transportation
concern
that
is
raised
is
spent
at
the
front
end
undoing,
not
undoing,
but
explaining
why
the
solution
that's
proposed
is
not
actually
going
to
address
the
issue
that's
at
play.
F
So
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
trying
to
understand
what
the
true
problem
or
issue
is
and
while,
while
also
holding
at
bay
all
of
these
solutions-
and
this
is
this-
is
not
a
criticism
of
of
residents
or
others
who
have
ideas.
But
there
are
a
lot
of
technical
guidelines.
There
are
are
many
factors
that
must
be
considered
before
we
can
recommend
a
solution
and
look
at
an
approach
and
so
part
of
what
we're
building
in
the
traffic
calming
tool.
F
It's
our
in
the
policy
is,
there
will
be
descriptions
and
an
indication
of
what
each
of
those
tools
are.
There
will
be
opportunities.
We
hope
that
would
where
a
concern
has
been
identified
and
often
cases
and
then
a
proposed
solution
that
we
can
instead
intervene
with
a
minor
treatment
or
a
community-based
initiative.
Initially
that
helps
us
further
gather
information
on
what
the
problem
is
to
put
together
the
right
solution.
F
So
if
you
recall
some
of
some
of
the
criticism
that
we
receive
in
the
existing
traffic
calming
program
centers
around
well,
if
you
put
it
on
this
block,
but
it
shifted
the
problem
to
another
block
and
or
we've
installed,
it
always
stopped.
But
now
people
are
ignoring
it
and
now
I
have
these
other
concerns.
F
So
we
we
do.
We
do
want
to
sort
of
share
that
information
and
that
understanding,
so
that
there's
a
better
sense
of
how
of
what
the
best
approach
would
be,
and
also
that
many
many
of
the
perfect
solutions
are
longer
term
solutions
that
require
us
to
either
reconstruct
part
of
the
roadway
or
rebuild
rebuild
connections
that
that
might
be
multi-year
fixes,
rather
than
you
know,
a
multi-week
fix.
F
Overall,
is
a
better
understanding
of
how
we
analyze
what
the
issue
is
so
and
just
forgive
me
for
a
second,
if
I
just
sort
of
go
down
a
little
bit
of
a
path
part
of
part
of
what
we're
also
trying
to
do
with
traffic.
The
traffic
calming
update
is
to
also
d
so
de-emphasize,
to
a
certain
degree,
the
traffic
calming
program
which
had
become
a
channel
for
all
transportation
issues
where
it's,
where
it
wasn't
necessarily
the
best
place
for
for
a
number
of
those
issues
to
go.
F
For
instance,
you
know
arterial
roadways
like
johnson
or
brock
and
trying
to
slow
them
through
a
traffic
calming
study
or
initiative
is
not
is
not
going.
We
won't
be
able
to
get
at
it
with
the
tools
that
we've
got.
So
we
want
to
increase
that
education,
and
you
know
working
with
counselors,
but
also
working
with
our
community
groups,
so
that
they
understand
what
those,
what
tools
we
have
in
the
way
that
they
work,
but
also
ensuring
that
there's
a
that.
F
We
look
at
the
transportation
issue
overall,
rather
than
funneling
it
to
a
certain
program
prematurely
before
we
understand
what
the
issue
is.
If
that
sorry,
I'm
going
I'm
going
in
a
roundabout
way,
but
I
hope
that
kind
of
gets
that
at
the
nugget
of
what
is
there
is
that
is
that
defining
the
issue
itself
is
often
a
far
more
complex
piece
than
than
the
solution
that
is
recommended.
I
Yeah,
that's
really
helpful.
It's
taken
me
a
number
of
years
to
to
get
to
this
to
my
own
place
of
understanding
sort
of
traffic.
I
guess
anyway,
so
you
know
one
one
tense.
I
will
just
end
by
saying
one
tends
to
think
that
the
situation
can
be
resolved
quicker
and
easier
than
it
might
be,
which
is
what
you're
saying
and
that
education
has
taken
some
time
for
me,
so
yeah
anything
that
we
can
do
to
to
facilitate
that.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
vice
chair.
Well,
I
am
really
glad
that
we're
moving
away
from
the
two-street
study,
because
it
would
raise
the
expectation
that
something
would
be
done
and
we
as
counselors
knew
that
that
list
was
so
huge.
So
it's
it
feels
more
genuine
and-
and
it's
also
more
solution
oriented
instead
of
just
adding
to
the
list.
So
I'm
really
actually
really
glad
that
we
try
to
make
adjustments
in
that
and
we
are
moving
moving
forward
with
a
different
kind
of
process.
G
However,
so
now
we're
moving
towards
a
one
street,
definite
in
our
neighborhood
and
as
counselor.
Poland
was
just
saying
too
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
challenge
for
all
of
us.
Counselors-
and
I
did
have
a
conversation
with
mr
simple
last
week
regarding
this,
and
I
think
that's
what
you
were
referring
to.
So
I
was
asking
if
we
could
get
statistics
and
data
from
all
the
phone
calls
that
came
in
from
or
on
all
the
emails
that
came
come
in
through
contact
us
that
are
specific
to
our
our
neighborhood.
F
Yes
and
three
you
missed
mr
vice
chair.
Yes,
that
is
what
I'm
referring
to
and
that's
what
commissioner
kidd
was
also
sort
of
reminding
us
of
as
well.
So
what
what
we
do
have
is
we
have
information
from
the
customer
concerns
that
come
in
you
know
from
collisions
or
other
accident
information
that
may
be
present
in
the
neighborhood.
F
We
also
have
information
about.
You
know
capital
projects
that
may
be
planned
or
changes
that
may
be
coming
in
related
to
other
projects
that
are
underway.
That
can
help
inform.
I
think
you
know
a
subset
of
streets
that
that
you
may
then
want
to
look
at
so
yeah.
The
the
intent
is
to
provide
sort
of
a
you
know,
a
summary
of
the
information
that
we
have
and
to
be
able
to
answer
questions
about
the
information
it.
F
Sorry
from
just
a
bit
delayed
there
to
that
point.
Yes,
I
think
the
the
intent
is
it
that
it
is
one
street
a
year,
and
certainly
if
there's,
if,
if
the
district
counselor
has
a
sense
of
what
those
streets
would
look
like
say
over
the
course
of
their
term
or
what
those
say
four
streets
would
be.
You
know,
staff
are
certainly
open
to
having
that
information
earlier.
That
helps
us
that
helps
us
in
our
planning,
but
but
the
intent
would
be.
F
F
Three,
mr
president,
yes,
so
the
key
here
is
of
the
three
streams.
The
intent
is
that
we
that
we
are
then
kind
of
focused
in
on
these
minor
treatments.
These
treatments
are,
and
some
of
which
we
use
now
so
some
of
the
flexible
ballards.
Some
of
this
an
example
would
be
say,
like
speed
feedback
signs,
some
of
those
components
that
are
infrastructure
that
can
be
added
relatively
quickly
compared
to
the
reconstruction
of
a
roadway.
F
The
longer
term
goal,
then,
would
be
that,
as
minor
treatments
are
added
when
opportunities
come
up
as
part
of
other
capital
programs
such
as
a
road
reconstruction
or
there
might
be
utility
work
plans
or
or
a
pedestrian
crossing
is
being
added.
If
there
are
then
opportunities
to
formalize
that
minor
treatment
into
something
that's
an
engineered
solution
or
an
engineered
implementation,
we
would
then
look
at
doing
that
at
that
time.
G
F
I
think
we
will
also
have
a
lot
of
education
and
interest
around
the
community
based
initiatives
and
again
I'll
invite
mr
mr
cousin
or
miss
mascara,
to
jump
in
if
I'm
missing
any
of
these
pieces.
But
there
are,
there
are
types
of
tools
and
pieces
that
will
fit
into
the
community
toolkit,
so
to
speak,
that
not
all
that
not
all
of
the
minor
pieces
fit
into
the
community
pieces.
F
Some
of
them
do
require
sort
of
staff
operation
on
some
of
those
components,
but
the
intent
is
to
clearly
clearly
delineate
what
those
tools
are
and
to
get
some
feedback
from
the
public
about
you
know
what
they
think
of
those
tools.
You
know
how
you
know
with:
is
this
a
tool
that
they
you
know
that
they
can
see
working
in
their
neighborhood
or
that
they
would
like
in
their
neighborhood?
D
F
Through
through
you,
mr
vice
chair,
yes,
so
those
those
would
be
the
element
of
what
of
what
was
seen
in
quiet
streets.
The
the
differentiation
I
would
just
draw
is
kcat's
implementation.
This
past
summer
created
a
quiet
route,
so
to
speak.
So
it
was.
You
know,
a
multi-block
route
that
that
extended
across
the
you
know
some
of
the
sydney
and
williamsville
areas.
F
So
these
components
are
intended
to
be
more
localized
block
level
implementations
available
available
to
you
know
so
that
they
are
more
manageable
for
a
resident
or
a
group
of
residents
that
want
to
take
some
action
on
their
block
versus
operating
out
a
longer
route
and
and
having
you
know,
a
group
of
residents
responsible
for
that.
I
think
part
of
what
we
learned
quiet
streets
implementation
this
summer
was
that
more
support
is
required
in
order
to
keep
that
running
and
that
we
have
some
other
ways
that
we're
looking
at
it.
F
D
You
have
to
apply
because
the
other
two
things
there
like
the
decals
in
a
car
window,
but
I
think
what
we'll
see
more
of
are
the
lawn
signs
right
and
it
says
first
come
first
serve
if
there's
a
lawn
sign-
and
you
know
one
house
or
a
group
of
homes
on
the
street
wanted
to
like
that's
just
so
easy,
but
then
for
this
like
at
the
block
level,
they
just
come
to
staff
and
they
say
yeah
sign
up,
ranking
crescent.
We
want
to
go
for
it.
Is
that
what
they
do.
F
So
when
we
we
want
there
to
be
a
more
accessible
tool
or
set
of
tools
available,
so
that
if
there
are
residents
that
do
want
to
address
a
concern
that
they
see
on
their
street,
we
can
give
them
some
some
measures
that
they
can,
that
they
can
look
to
implement
and,
as
we
saw
with
the
quiet
streets
piece,
you
know.
Oftentimes.
F
These
things,
which
tend
to
be
more
visual
in
nature
or
kind
of
sign
based
in
nature,
can
start
to
provoke
some
conversations
and
discussions
that
can
that
can
also
help
to
get
at
some
of
the
issue.
So
some
of
many
many
neighborhood
transportation
concerns
our
neighbors
having
transportation
concerns
amongst
the
way
you
know
shortcutting
aside
through
a
neighborhood.
F
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there
that
there
are
options
for
those
resident
groups
that
have
come
together
and
do
want
to
take
some
action,
but
either
the
problem
doesn't
necessarily
warrant
even
a
minor
intervention
or
an
engineered
intervention
right
now,
but
we,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
acknowledge
that.
There's
that
there's
a
desire
there
at
the
block
level
or
at
the
neighborhood
level
to
do
something.
F
So
the
process
of
that
we're
still
working
on
sort
of
developing
and
flushing
out,
so
it
certainly
is
about
a
neighbor,
a
group
or
a
neighbor.
Raising
raising
this
as
something
they'd
like
to
address.
There
would
likely
be
some
measure
of
like
an
intake
process
where
they
show
that
there's
general
support
for.
What's
there,
you
know
information
out
to
the
neighbors
information
to
the
district
councillor
and
that
the
tools
themselves
that
would
be
provided
would
be,
you
know,
would
be
appropriate
for
what
everyone's
aware
of.
D
D
F
F
But
I
think
in
our
discussions
with
the
consultant
and
our
discussion
sort
of
looking
at
what
we're
trying
to
get
at
it's
it's
more
about
kind
of
goes
back
to
what
I
was
talking
about
with
counselor
holland.
Earlier
it's
about
defining
what
the
problem
is,
and
then
we
can
make
some
recommendations
to
you
about
the
best
suite
of
tools,
tool
or
suite
of
tools
that
would
get
at
that.
F
So
I
don't.
I
want
to
be
careful
about
saying
it'll
always
be
like
you
get
a
sign
in
a
bollard,
because
I'm
again,
I
think,
similar
to
what
we
talked
about
from
a
pedestrian
crossing
standpoint.
I'm
less
concerned
about
the
capital
funding
associated
with
these
minor
pieces,
these
minor
treatments
and
I'm
more
concerned
about
the
resourcing
of
our
ability
to
install
and
the
complexity
of
what
installs
there.
So
I
get
what
I
would
say
is
I
and
I
we
and
we
again
will
we
will
build
that
out,
and
this
is
very
good.
F
F
D
Okay,
super
yeah.
Thanks
for
that
clarification,
because
to
me
it
sounded
based
on
the
answers
going
to
counselor.
Holland
was
that
for
the
minor
treatment
it
would
be
up
to
us
as
a
counselor
to
decide.
You
know
what
treatment
to
pick,
and
so
that's
why
I
was
asking
if
we'd
be
able
to
kind
of
do
two
out
of
the
three,
but
if
you're
going
to
decide
just
as
long
as
we
don't
reject
the
street
right,
if
we
say
it's
this
street,
these
are
the
concerns.
D
What
can
we
do
just
as
long
as
that
street
will
get
something?
Then
I'm
happy
for
you
to
defer
it
to
staff
to
say
this
is
what
the
treatment
will
be
just
as
long
as
that
street
gets
something
when
we
bring
it
forward
and
then
my
last
question
is
about
the
engineered
approach,
so
we
do
have
lots
of
streets
that
are
on
that
list,
and
so
I'm
just
a
bit
unclear
about
going
forward
what
happens
to
all
those
streets
on
that
list
do?
Are
we
going
to
wipe
them
all
out?
D
So
if
we
had
a
street
on
that
list
and
say
they
ranked
you
know,
number
15,
and
we
know
that
means
it's
gonna
be
probably
several
years
before
that
street
might
or
might
never
make
it
up
to
be
number
one
on
like
what
happens
to
the
list
like.
Is
there
still
potential
for
that
street
to
work
up
to
number
one?
Are
we
forgetting
about
that
list
and
how
is
a
new
street
ever
going
to
be
added
to
that
list?
I'm
so
confused
about
that
part.
F
F
F
We
wouldn't
be
doing.
12
interventions
of
a
minor
nature
plus,
say
the
three
streets
that
we
were
typically
doing.
A
year
so,
for
instance,
this
year
we've
we
have
seven
streets
that
are
identified,
serve
five
locations,
seven
streets,
but
the
implementations
that
we're
doing
on
those
streets
are
these
minor
type
of
implementations.
F
So
again,
if
I'm,
I
believe
that
that's
the
approach
and
miss
mascara
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
because
she's
she
is
in
charge
of
the
design.
Details
of
that.
But
again
it's
selecting
from
those
minor
treatments,
a
suite
of
minor
treatments
depending
on
what
best
addresses
the
issue,
and
then
we
would
formalize
the
formalize
that
later
as
part
of
some
larger
capital
projects,
I
see
I
see
miss
mascara
was
there,
so
she
could
perhaps
confirm
that
or
connect
me
if
she's
joined.
H
Mascara,
thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
so
that's
correct.
So
with
the
with
the
streets
that
we're
looking
at
for
this
year,
the
seven
streets
are
identified
for
minor
measure
implementations
we're
looking
at
different
options
depending
on
the
context
of
the
street,
so
it
may
not
be
one
measure
or
two
measures.
It
won't
necessarily
be
the
same.
B
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
you,
mr
vice
chair.
So
when
we
were
just
talking
about
the
seven
streets,
what's
up
are
those
this
like
we
submitted
two
streets
in
april
of
this
year,
is
that
the
seventh
streets,
or
I
I
didn't,
think
we
had
seven
streets
going
forward
that
we
saw
last
year
or
I
don't
even
know
when
we
saw
the
streets.
I
thought
it
was
only
like
three
or
four.
So
what
what
seven
streets
are
we
referring
to.
F
Through
you,
mr
advice
here:
yes,
sorry,
counselor
counselor
on
I'll,
just
pull
up
the
list
just
to
just
to
confirm
that
for
you,
so
the
streets
in
the
october
report
that
we
brought
on
traffic
calming
it
included
the
intent
to
move
forward
with
the
traffic
calming
review.
But
we
also
recognizing
that
that
review
would
take
us
into
2021
and
recognizing
that
we
missed
an
opportunity
to
do
traffic
calming
treatments
in
2020
because
of
endemic
related.
B
F
F
Those
locations
are
so
we
had
five
locations,
but
some
locations
include
two
streets,
so
there's
trudell
road
and
development,
drive
van
order
and
norman
rogers,
martha
street
unity,
road
in
front
of
the
public
school
and
then
johnson
street
at
berry.
Okay,
those
five
locations,
seven
streets
are
in
design
right
now,
preliminary
design
for
minor
treatments
that
we
would
be
installed
this
summer.
D
Okay,
okay,
great
yeah,
thanks
for
that
memory,
refresh
right
that
that
was
awesome
and
then
for
the
two
streets
we
all
submitted
in
april
and
then
how
does?
How
did
those
two
streets
fit
into
this
like?
Should
we
forget
about
those
two
streets
and
now
consider
the
two
streets
we
submitted
as
being
one
of
the
streets
to
put
forward
for
minor
treatment,
or
are
those
two
streets
still
going
to
be
evaluated,
and
I
don't
I
don't
know
we'll
probably
still
have
to
try
try
to
consider
them.
F
F
D
D
We
have
lots
of
streets
that
are
looking
for
traffic
tommy
and
our
term
finishes
in
2022..
So
are
we
gonna
have
enough
time
to
put
forward
one
street
for
minor
treatment
in
2021
and
one
in
2022,
or
are
we
just
going
to
be
putting
forward
one
street
between
now
and
the
election
for
minor
treatment
like?
Can
we
sneak
a
second
one
in
there.
F
F
D
So
my
last
comment,
then,
because
this
is
an
information
report-
only
we're
not
approving
anything
tonight,
but
if
the
minor
treatments,
you
add
them
up
times,
12,
because
there's
12
counselors,
if
that
would
require
like
another,
fifty
thousand
dollars,
something
like
that
to
be
added
to
the
budget.
I
don't
know
how
much
of
a
budget
impact
it
would
be.
I
think
us
as
counselors.
We
would
really
appreciate
if
we
could
maybe
put
you
know
like
two
minor
treatments
in
because
the
streets
that
we
put
forward
in
april,
like
I'll
just
say
an
example
right.
D
I
put
forward
lincoln
drive
right.
The
residents
who
submitted
speeding,
concerns
on
lincoln
drive,
they're
gonna,
be
really
disappointed
to
hear
there's
no
traffic
coming,
and
I
still
have
in
my
district
just
to
use
my
district
as
an
example
woodbine
road
to
try
to
implement
something.
So
now
I'm
gonna
have
to
pick
between.
You
know
doing
something
for
woodbine
road
or
doing
something
minor
treatment
for
lincoln,
and
you
know,
we've
lost
20
21.
We
also
lost
2020
because
of
covid,
and
so
we've
run
out
of
time.
We've
run
out
of
time.
F
It.
The
hope
is
that
you
know
recognizing
that
it
is
one
measure
in
each
district
versus
versus
studying
two
two
streets
in
the
districts,
but
then
only
typically,
we've
only
been
implementing
two,
maybe
three
traffic
calming
actual
actual
implementation
on
the
streets
annually,
so
that
the
the
goal
here
is
to
more
broadly
implement
across
the
city
and
to
start
to
gear
that
up
so
that
we
could
do
at
least
one
a
year.
But
we
cannot
do
that.
We!
F
F
D
K
Thank
you
in
in
thinking
about
timelines,
given
that
the
election
is
always
in
the
last
quarter
of
the
year.
There
may
also
be
some
opportunity
and
we
can
take
this
away
and
think
about
it.
So,
at
what
point
in
the
year
will
we
will
we
ask
council
to
elect
and
then
their
their
candidate
street
or
block?
So
think
of
you
know
what?
If,
if
you're
in
hospital
and
and
you're
selecting
from
you,
you
may
be
discharged
and
you're
picking
for
the
person
who's
coming
into
that
bed
after
you.
K
K
B
G
Okay,
thanks
for
letting
me
speak
for
a
second
time,
I
just
want
to
just
talk
about
the
community
approach.
I
think
we
have
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
give
the
impression
that
well,
we
couldn't
do
it
now,
we're
counting
on
the
community
for
to
do
the
work.
So
I
think
when
I
hear
what
you're
saying,
counselor
or
sonic,
because
you
have
two
streets-
and
you
know
I
I
do
too-
I
gotta
figure
out
which
lucky
one
it's
going
to
be,
but
we
have
to
be
really.
G
I
like,
I
can
imagine,
anticipate
almost
the
criticism
saying.
Oh
now,
you
know
we
already
have
people
criticize
like
complaining
that
we,
if
we
make
them,
divide
the
recycling
into
the
two
different
box
boxes
and
we
make
them
do
the
work
and-
and
I
could
just
imagine
that
some
groups-
we
have
just
conscious
that
the
community
approach
has
to
come
from
the
community.
G
K
K
The
fact
is
is
that
it
those
streets
weren't
getting
addressed,
they
were
just
getting
put
on
a
list,
so
in
one
way
it
it
does
seem
like
that,
I'm
sure,
but
in
the
other
way
the
reality
of
it
is.
Is
that
it's
not
the
proposal
that
is
being
discussed
is
to
have
one
street
or
one
block
put
on
a
list,
but
with
a
commitment
from
staff
that
that
will
get
actioned
one
per
district.
So
that's
one
one
piece
of
the
puzzle
specific
to
counselor
neil's
question.
K
I
don't
believe
at
this
time
is
going
to
help
with
that,
because
we
simply
do
not
have
the
the
resources
dedicated
to
be
able
to
take
on
more
of
that
work.
So
the
approach
with
all
three
of
these
reports
tonight
is
to
to
find
that
synergy
to
do
something
on
a
number
of
fronts,
but
in
a
defined
way,
so
that
we
can
actually
start
to
move
some
of
these
pieces
forward
instead
of
just
pushing
them
to
a
variety
of
processes
that
don't
actually
result
in
implementation
of
anything
on
the
street.
B
Yes
and
a
follow-up
question
the
way
most
residents
look
at
traffic
calming
it's
usually
always
speed
related
and
I'm
just
curious.
I
know
other
municipalities
and
I've
brought
this
up
with
mr
sample.
In
the
past,
other
municipalities
have
adopted
neighborhood
streets,
speed,
limit
of
40
kilometers.
B
That
would
be
a
very
visible
way
next
year
to
show
that
we
were
trying
to
address
that
issue,
and
I
know
it
would
be
much
simpler
if
we
had
speed
cameras
operational
because
it
is
an
enforcement
issue
as
well.
But
can
you
speak
to
what
other
communities
have
done
to
enable
them
to
have
a
40,
kilometer
neighborhood
speed
limit.
F
F
F
That,
though,
that
work
has
not
yet
started
in
earnest
and
it
starting
now
in
the
context
of
the
safe
routes
to
school
programs
that
we're
launching.
So
the
schools
that
we're
working
with
and
we've
started.
We
restarted
to
work
with
one
school
in
in
the
west
end
to
then
develop
some
of
the
action
plan
that
comes
from
that
which
includes
a
variety
of
things.
So
we've
not
adopted
a,
we
don't
have
a
we
don't
have
work
underway.
F
F
F
That's
that
we
will
bring
in
q2,
and
I
think
from
from
I
think
that
discussion
we
would
be
able
to
understand
what
those
next
steps
are
speed
limit
reductions
combined
with
some
of
the
some
of
these
traffic
calming
pieces
that
we're
talking
about
could
be
considered
as
part
of
when
we
work
on
some
of
those
neighborhood
plans.
But
I
don't
I
don't
have
any.
I
don't
have
any
implementing
timing
for
that
component.
J
Hello
again,
thank
you
very
much
very
interesting
discussion,
and
I
just
want
to
give
my
my
two
cents
worth
here
as
as
having
spent
a
lot
of
time
trying
to
promote
active
transportation,
and
I
hope
it
doesn't
sound
too
self-serving
to
to
point
out
that
every
dollar
that
is
spent
active
transportation,
infrastructure
or
programs
or
or
whatever
anything
spent
towards
improving
it.
Active
transportation
leads
to
reduction
of
traffic
and
and
that's
one
of
the
best
traffic
calming
solutions
available
to
you.
J
In
many
cases,
that's
never
even
discussed
traffic
reduction
can
can
happen
in
very
serious
ways,
especially
if
we
target
the
the
short
trips
that
people
make
by
car
by
single
occupancy
vehicle
could
easily
be
replaced
by
by
an
active
transportation
trip
or
transit
or
whatever.
So
just
just
wanted
to
point
that
out,
but
I
also
wanted
to
mention
that
I
I
definitely
have
a
lot
of
sympathy
for,
for
what
the
city
staff
is
is
trying
to
do.
J
Traffic
calming
is
is
a
very
complicated
pro
problem,
as
you've
indicated,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
the
solutions.
They're
proposing
offer
some
flexibility
in
how
how
to
approach
this
and
and
again,
don't
don't
forget
about
traffic
reduction
and
and
traffic
diversion
and
being
a
little
bit
more
aggressive
about
making
making
trips
by
automobile
less
convenient
than
active
transportation
trips.
J
J
You
build
another
road,
you
know
and-
and
you
end
up
with
just
more
congestion,
so
it
really
takes
a
rethink,
and
I
think
I
think
that's
happening
happening
not
not
only
in
this
city
but
elsewhere,
all
across
the
world
and
it's
time
to
to
sort
of
re-look
re-look
at
the
problem
in
general
and
and
emphasize
the
alternate
choices
that
that
are
available
to
us.
So
that's
all
I
that
was
that's
all
my
soapbox
allows
me
to
say
so.
Thanks
very
much.
B
Seeing
none
I'll
declare
this
portion
of
the
meeting
completed.
We
have
no
motive
motions.
We
have
no
notices
of
motion
any
other
business,
seeing
none.
We
don't
believe
we've
received
any
correspondence
regarding
this
there's
nothing
on
the
addeds,
so
the
date
of
our
next
meeting
is
tuesday
april
13th
after
spring
has
sprung.