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EITP Committee meeting from December 10, 2019. For the full meeting agenda visit http://bit.ly/2SRaZxc
A
A
Counsel
Stroud,
who
accept
all
right
secondary
councillor,
dougherty
any
other
people
willing
to
step
forward
and
serve
his
chair
seat.
None
so
I'll
called
question
on
electing
council
Stroud
as
chair
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that
carries
and
I
will
now
call
for
a
nomination
for
Vice
Chair
councillor
Stroud
I
nominate.
A
A
Well,
it
was,
it
was
to
yourself,
according
to
my
minutes,
I
just
I
think
occasionally
somebody
called
on
councillor
Holland
and
it
happened
quickly
and
she
took
it
on
normally
councillors
route
is
here
anyway,
so
it's
just
some
lessees.
So
are
you
willing
to
accept
it
all
right,
so
I
just
make
sure
so
I'll
call
councillor.
Neill
is
the
mover
on
that
councillor.
F
F
C
Yes
and
if,
if
councillor
Dougherty
and
myself
aren't
available,
one
of
you
will
have
to
chair
the
community
anyway,
so
thank
you
for
yours,
for
it.
So
we'll
call
the
meeting
to
order
there's
an
agenda
with
two
two
items
of
business:
there's
minutes
from
last
time
and
there's
no
other
items.
So
we
need
a
mover
and
a
seconder
for
the
agenda
by
council
nails
hanging
by
Councilman
Sanok.
Are
there
any
proposed
changes
reordering
of
the
agenda?
C
Seeing
none
we'll
call
the
vote
on
the
agenda
as
printed
all
those
in
favor
opposed,
and
that
carries
so.
We
have
the
minutes
from
our
last
meeting,
which
was
last
month
or
two
months
ago,
on
October
8th,
you've
received
the
minutes,
need
a
mover
in
a
seconder
goodbye
comes
from
Sanok
secretary
councillor
Dougherty.
Are
there
any
errors
or
omissions
to
the
last
meetings
minutes?
C
C
Okay,
so
for
members
of
public
that
wanted
that
we're
wondering
about
the
delegation
to
be
an
official
delegation,
you
have
to
apply
to
be
on
the
agenda
in
advance,
but
the
each
individual
item
is
open
to
the
public
to
speak
and
there's
actually
no
problem
with
that
and
it
can
function
as
the
same
way
and
if
you
have
material
to
present,
you
can
do
so
at
that
time.
So
when
the
item
comes
up,
we
will
ask
for
members
of
the
public
and
then
you
can
come
forward
and
use
a
microphone.
So
no
get.
C
No
delegations
briefings
no
okay,
so
business
item,
eight
there's
two
things:
a
and
B
the
first
one
is
a
roadside
vegetation
maintenance
see
the
report
from
the
Commissioner.
There
is
a
recommendation,
but
it's
for
information
purposes.
Only
so
there's
no
actual
recommendation
to
council.
So
this
is
to
receive
the
information
we've
got
linen
from
Public
Works
and
I'll
turn
the
floor
over
to
you.
G
Thank
You
chair
so
I
have
a
update,
just
a
brief
summary
of
the
road
maintenance
that
Public
Works
performs
on
gravel
shoulders
as
as
well
as
the
vegetation
management
along
roadsides
and
along
gravel
shoulders.
I
do
have
a
presentation
on
the
screen.
It's
there's
only
a
few
pictures
that
I'm
going
to
show
you
it
at
certain
points
that
it
I
won't
be
actually
using
it
for
the
presentation,
but
I
do
want
to
talk
about
some
of
the
work
we
do
along
gravel
shoulders.
G
Gravel
shoulders
are
a
very
important
part
of
road
infrastructure.
They
provide
support
for
the
road
infrastructure
itself.
I
had
a
quick
drainage
to
convey
water
off
the
road
surface,
to
the
ditch
line
and
for
safety
for
the
public,
whether
it's
pedestrian
use
or
for
vehicles
who
may
need
to
pull
over
the
side
of
the
road.
Some
of
the
common
issues
we
experience
on
gravel
roads
or
edge
of
pavement
drop-offs.
That's
where
the
gravel
adjacent
to
the
the
pavement
surface
is
lower
than
the
pavement
surface.
G
I
think
probably
all
experienced
that
from
time
to
time
when
we
see
that
also
gravel
can
accumulate
on
the
shoulder
and
be
higher
than
the
paved
surface,
which
is
an
issue.
Erosion
and
washouts
are
also
a
big
issue
on
gravel
shoulders
after
large
rain
events
or
even
consecutive
rain
events
vegetation
along
side
of
the
road,
although
it
may
not
seem
like
it
does
it
can't
impede
drainage
and
can
be
a
concern
as
far
as
maintenance
goes
as
well,
and
when
that
happens,
shoulders
get
saturated
and
wheel
ready
and
can
be
become
an
issue.
G
So
to
respond
to
that,
Public
Works
has
a
regular
shoulder
maintenance
program
and
some
of
the
routine
maintenance
involves
Road
graders
in
the
spring,
for
example,
to
create
every
gravel
shoulder
that
pulls
them
into
the
gravel
material
back
to
the
road
edge.
It
fixes
minor,
washouts
and
country
establishes
the
cross
fall
on
the
shoulders
every
spring.
That
same
work
is
done,
every
fall
before
winter
freeze-up
to
prepare
the
shoulders
before
the
winter
season
and
then
periodically
throughout
the
summer
months,
as
required
to
repair
the
shoulders.
G
We
do
experience
non
routine
maintenance
requirements
and
I
would
be
in
the
form
of
washouts,
it's
very
difficult
to
predict.
Where
a
wash
it
may
happen
on
a
gravel
shoulder.
There
are
some
areas
we
watch
for,
but
they
could
happen
anywhere
and
that
requires
new,
gravel,
being
hauled
to
the
site
and
equipment
and
tools
to
place
and
compact
the
gravel.
G
So
it
is
inevitable
that,
through
rains
in
spring
runoff
that
we're
going
to
experience
some
washes
along
gravel
shoulders
and
oftentimes
that
gravel
can
collect
at
the
grass
line,
because
the
grass
is
higher
than
the
gravel
shoulder
and
then
create
ponding,
which
then
leads
to
wheel
riding
and
potentially
more
washes
so
for
vegetation
management.
We
have
roadside
mowers
that
we
can
cut
the
grass
along
the
shoulder
of
the
road
to
manage
the
vegetation
and
in
in
doing
that
it
improves
sight
lines
as
well
as
helps
us
maintain
the
drainage.
G
I'm
gonna
put
an
image
up
on
the
screen,
so
we
can
see
that
that's
an
image
of
the
gravel
shoulder
reclamation
program
that
Public
Works
implemented
a
few
years
ago.
In
the
background,
you
can
see
a
tractor
with
an
attachment.
It's
a
set
of
agricultural
discs
that
basically
mulch
up
the
gravel
shoulder
and
the
grass
that
grows
along
the
edge
and
over
time
encroaches
towards
the
driving
surface.
It's
what
you
see
in
the
picture
is
what's
the
result.
G
It's
basically
re-established
as
the
gravel
shoulder
and
the
vegetation
would
be
mulched
up
eventually
dry
out
and
would
be
the
wind
would
carry
it
away.
A
grader
would
then
come
by
after
this
operation
and
re-establish
the
cross-hall
which
basically
reestablishes
the
original
gravel
shoulder
savings,
significant
cost
for
new
gravel
to
repair
the
shoulders.
G
G
So
what
what
we
do
in
public
works
is
we
would,
in
certain
locations
along
guide
rails?
Is
spray
the
vegetation
along
the
guide
rail
to
manage
that
vegetation
so
that
it
does?
The
grass
doesn't
grow
higher,
eventually
cause
visibility,
issues
with
the
reflectors
on
the
guide
rail,
it's
important
to
know
that
the
guide
rails
they're,
not
just
that
it
is
there,
but
to
know,
there's
a
hazard
present
and
to
maintain
the
drainage
and
then
the
lifecycle
of
the
guide
rail
posts,
so
that
there's
moisture
and
water
is
not
being
retained,
adjacent
to
the
posts.
G
G
So
once
the
vegetation
is
sprayed
and
managed,
it
solves
that
problem.
But
the
area
is
still
susceptible
to
washes,
so
a
lot
of
guide
rail
locations
that
are
located
on
embankments
on
hill
get
a
lot
of
rain
water
that
conveys
off
the
surface
of
the
driving
the
driving
surface
onto
the
shoulder
and
can
cause
of
our
showed
and
just
about
any
location.
G
So
Public
Works
apply
is
a
granular
sealing
product
at
these
locations
to
seal
that
granular
surface
and
allow
for
the
water
to
travel
from
the
driving
surface
across
the
shoulder
past
the
guide,
rail
and
then
into
the
ditch,
where
we
want
the
water
to
be
this
process,
and
this
granular
soothing
product
is
a
Ontario
provincial
standard
approved
product.
It's
approved
by
the
minister
transportation
on
their
highways
and
they've
also
approved
it
for
municipal
use
on
their
highways.
G
It's
a
type
2
water-based
non-toxic,
solvent
product
that
does
meet
the
environment,
cannot
quote
a
practice
for
volatile
organic
compounds
and
is
a
very
effective
product
to
avoid
expensive,
gravel
repairs
along
guide
rail
in
prove
the
integrity
or
keep
the
integrity
of
the
guide
rail
system
for
the
lifecycle
of
the
system
and
I'll.
Just
show
you
a
couple
locations
where
we've
applied.
The
granular
sealing
this
location
on
the
screen
is
Taylor
kid
Boulevard,
looking
east
towards
Mona
Drive.
G
So
you
can
see
that
this
is
a
hill
with
an
embankment
there's,
no
adjacent
water
bodies,
it's
it's
just
a
rock
embankment
and
the
water
would
flow
quite
quickly
down
that
shoulder
and
eventually
wash
out
at
one
or
several
locations.
The
application
of
the
granular
saline
allows
the
water
to
get
away
and
avoids
costly
shoulder
repairs.
G
G
This
location
is
the
road
from
Barry
field
to
down
the
hill
to
highway
2
highway
2
is
at
the
stop
sign
a
lot
of
water
flows
down
both
ditches.
Eventually
wash
you
know,
gravel
we've
had
a
problems
where
the
gravel
washes
held
onto
Highway
2,
and
it's
a
lot
of
high
traffic
volumes
and
cyclist
traffic
on
Highway
2
and
not
seeing
gravel
not
expecting
gravel
on
the
road
could
be
a
safety
hazard.
G
So
we
applied
the
granular
saline
at
the
bottom
of
the
hill
and
it
leads
to
the
concrete
gutter
that
would
convey
the
water
to
the
storm
system,
which
is
appropriate,
and
here
we
have
a
location
which
is
Station
Road.
Looking
eastbound
at
the
top
of
the
hill
is
highway
15
and
you
can
can
imagine
the
volume
of
water
that
would
run
down
the
shoulder
and
eventually
wash
out
the
guide
rail
posts
at
one
or
multiple
locations.
G
C
H
Thanks
mr.
linen
for
your
presentation
is
the
so
is
noxious
weeds,
a
different
topic,
or
do
you
focus
on
that
a
bit
when
you
do
the
spraying
and
perhaps
even
ticks,
and
that
kind
of
thing,
or
what
do
you
include
that
in
your
scope,
kite
or
your
intention,
when
you're
spraying
and
managing
them
with
the
vegetation
through.
G
The
chair
sonar
chips
would
be
a
separate
maintenance
activity,
Public
Works
response
to
noxious
weed
concerns
anywhere
in
city
property,
whether
it's
a
trail
park
roadside,
but
we
do
experience
significant
amount
of
noxious
weed
noxious
weed
growth
on
roadsides,
so
part
of
our
roadside
grass.
Cutting
program
includes
having
the
mowers
cut
wider
than
just
the
initial
roadside
pass
to
try
and
manage
noxious
weed
growth
before
the
plant
like
while
parsnip
goes
to
seed,
and
if
we
can
do
that
effectively,
we
can
manage
the
spread
of
the
noxious
weed.
G
We
get
noxious
weed
growth
around
guide
rows,
so
it's
effective
to
spray
there
as
well,
but
we
will
all
of
our
noxious
weeds
brain
is
this
hand
sprayed?
So
it's
a
it's
a
backpack
Springs,
very
it's
isolated
to
the
plant
or
the
growth
of
plants,
but
yeah.
It
does
happen
along
roadsides
and
we
do
spray
their
home.
H
Thank
you
and
a
second
question
so
in
that
this
past
spring
we
know
was
a
very
wet
spring
and
that
created
a
lot
of
challenges
for
your
department.
But
I
was
wondering:
are
you
prepared
at
all
for
another
wet
spring
and
having
additional
equipment
to
cut
the
shoulders
of
the
roads,
because
I
think
that
that's
something
that
seems
to
catch
us
off-guard?
It
seems
and
I'm
wondering
if
it
would
be
something
you
would
consider.
H
I
received
a
lot
of
calls
from
constituents
concerned
about
overgrowth
again
and
like
how
many
mowers
would
we
have
going
in
in
the
rural
areas,
which
is
obviously
the
biggest
area.
You
have
a
considerable
amount
of
kilometers
but
which
I
recognize
but
I'm
just
wondering
is:
is
there
any
plans
or
considerations
or
budgeting
to
to
make
a
bigger
effort,
because
I
think
it's
one
of
the
areas
that
I
see
is
it
could
be
improved
through.
G
G
Wherever
we
end
up,
the
grass
is
usually
higher
than
you
know
ideal
just
because
it
takes
time
to
get
to
those
shoulders.
So
if
we
start
in
one
location
one
year,
it's
usually
significant
growth.
By
the
time
we
get
the
three
tractors
to
Avery
location,
but
we're
aware
that
and
we're
looking
at
efficiencies
to
try
and
you
know,
get
to
all
those
shoulder
locations
in
a
timely
fashion,
but
it
is
if
it
is
wet
it's
wet
season.
By
the
time
the
grass
starts
to
grow.
G
J
G
There
would
be
route
optimisation,
so
we
basically
tractor
to
the
east
to
the
north,
to
the
west
and
focus
on
those
roads,
but
we
find
there.
There
are
efficiencies
that
can
be
gained
by
looking
at
where
we
cut
first,
where
our
turnaround
points
are
and
just
trying
to
manage
how
much,
how
many
kilometres
we
can
cut
in
a
day
and
I'm.
Just
looking
at
process.
I
G
If
they
noxious
weed
eater,
we
would
normally
cut
with
a
roadside
tractor.
We
would
just
manage
it
that
way
with
the
tractor.
If
it's
in
an
area
and
say
you
know
adjacent
to
a
green
space
in
a
park,
we
would
use
our
park
staff
who
are
mowing
the
grass
in
those
locations
to
manage
it
from
a
mechanical
cutting
perspective
while
we're
doing
the
cut
and
before
it
goes
to
scene.
G
Now
there
are
other
plants
that
grow
along
walkways
pathways
and
in
green
spaces
or
even
road
sites
that
are
not
you're
not
able
to
reach
with
the
the
mowing
equipment.
We
always
looked
at
trying
to
physically
remove
that
plant
if
possible
or
reasonable.
If
we
have
to
spray,
we
hire
a
contractor
under
the
pesticides
act.
We
have
the
ability
to
to
spray
noxious
weeds,
but
we
have
to
have
a
licensed
contractor
or
a
license
to
do
that,
and
the
city
does
not
have
that.
So
we
contract
that
out.
B
G
Target
resealing
for
the
product
we
use
is
three
years
so
every
third
year
we'd,
look
at
resealing
those
locations
but
similar
to
many
maintenance
tasks
that
we
perform
a
public
works.
If
it
warrants
it,
we
would
do
it
if
it
we
could
get
another
season
out
of
it.
We
would
maybe
there's
just
a
portion
of
it
needs
to
be
resealed.
We
would
look
at
that
as
well.
G
It
meets
the
standard,
the
application
we
applied,
but
we
also
realize
there
are
potential
concerns
and
conflicts
for
things
like
exact
turtle
nesting,
for
example.
So
there
are
areas
that
we've
been
actively
identifying
to
not
spray
the
granular
sealing,
as
well
as
even
the
vegetation
spray
in
in
some
areas
or
their
significant
wetlands.
B
Thanks
and
under
report
FS
above
where
you
start
talking
about
the
granular
sealant
it
talks
about
broadcast
spray
with
tanker
trucks,
is
not
used
by
Public
Works.
But
we
had
a
report
like
I
had
an
email
Brigitte,
you
might
have
had
an
email
from
a
resident
who
said
that
they
saw
a
tanker
trucks
brain
along
front
road
in
elevator
Bay,
which
is
right
on
the
water.
Do
you
know
anything
about
that?
Like
would
we
spray?
B
Would
we
even
if
it
was
noxious,
weeds
and
wild
person
up
in
there
between
Invista
plant
and
the
condos
that
are
right
there
at
elevator
bay
we're
front
road
is
right
along
the
water?
Would
we
spray
we
wouldn't
spray
in
there
right,
because
that's
putting
pesticide
right
next
to
Lake
Ontario
through.
G
We
certainly
haven't
broadcast
prayed
for
a
noxious
weeds.
It's
just
simply
something
we
don't
do.
We
would
hands
brave
if
needed,
but
there
are
restrictions
on
how
close
you
can
hand
spray
to
water
as
well.
So
if
we're
talking
about
that
specific
location
where
the
road
is
really
close
to
the
water,
we
wouldn't
be
spraying
in.
B
Thank
you
and
then
we
would
burn
oxy.
So
if
the
was
wild
person
have
been
there,
we
would
have
that
would
be
contractors
doing
that
on
our
behalf.
So
is
it
written
right
in
the
contract
with
the
contractors
that
we
don't
allow?
You
know
tanker
trucks
to
spray,
it's
just
because
the
one
person
she
was
you
know
she
saw
that.
That's
what
she
says.
I
didn't
see
it,
but
that
was
the
email
that
she
sent.
B
So
would
we
actually
have
that
in
the
contract
that
they
have
to
hand
spray,
or
do
we
just
assume
that
they,
you
know,
took
the
course
for
noxious
weeds
and
you
know
their
license
could
be
lost
if
it
gets
if
they
get
caught
that
they're
not
doing
like.
Do
we
actually
have
that
in
the
contract
not
to
use
some
tanker
trucks
to
spray.
G
The
contractor
to
go
to
a
location
and
their
first
option
is
to
remove
the
plant
and
then,
if
the
sprain
is
required,
we
have
a
price
for
that
that
they
follow
our
directions,
so
Public
Works
would
direct
them
every
time
we
call
we
have
these
locations.
Here's
our
direction
and
our
contract
is
clear.
Our
contractor
is
clear,
although
they
could
risk
losing
their
license
by
spraying
close
to
water.
B
And
now
just
about
shoulders
maintenance,
the
roadside
mowing
specifically
across
like
water
courses
right
so
getting
into
the
wetlands,
so
I
think
the
report
says
that
in
2019
we
try
to
schedule
the
grading
of
the
shoulders
earlier
so
that
we
do
it
in
April
and
not
in
May.
When
all
the
turtles
start
to
come
out,
then
we
also
gray
those
wetland
areas.
You
know
I
guess
in
November
are
those
the
only
differences
that
we
treat
shoulders
in
a
wetland
versus
regular
shoulders
like
on
Taylor,
Kitt,
Boulevard
or
highway.
G
The
chair
so
for
routine
maintenance,
the
spring
in
the
fall
shoulder
grading
are
the
crucial
ones
in
some
wetlands
we've
worked
with
local
community
groups
and
and
with
counselors
too,
that
have
drawn
attention
to
concerns
with
turtle
nesting
and
the
weight
of
the
equipment
on
the
shoulders.
So
we've
looked
at
areas
like
the
Westbrook
wetland
to
not
cut
the
roadside
grass
through
the
wetland
and
monitor
to
see
if
there
are
any
negative
impacts
by
not
cutting
that
roadside
grass.
G
There
are
some
locations
like
that
where
there
are
no
entrances
or
intersections
so
sight
line,
issues
are
less
of
a
concern.
In
2019
we
didn't
cut
the
grass
in
that
one
particular
wetland
in
Westbrook,
so
that
meant
the
Moores
were
not
on
the
shoulder
potentially
traveling
over
turtle
nests,
and
we
were
fortunate
that
we
didn't
require
any
significant
maintenance
on
the
shoulder
in
that
area
as
well.
So
there
were
no
craters
or
heavy
equipment
working
there.
B
G
B
Thank
you
and
through
you
Mercer
on
my
last
question.
Is
it
possible
then,
between
now
in
the
spring,
just
to
get
a
map
of
some
sort
as
so
or
it
could
just
be
a
list
and
we
all
have
maps
of
Kingston
I'm
sure
we
can
find
where
it
is,
but
according
to
Public
Works
what
they
consider
to
be
the
wetland
areas
where,
like
this
special
procedure,
might
be
done
of
mowing
or
sorry
of
greeting
the
shoulders
in
April?
Would
that
be
possible.
D
Just
a
quick
thought:
councillor
sanics
questioning
about
the
broadcast
spraying
I'm
wondering
if,
because
there's
always
the
great
debate,
where
does
city
property
and
when
to
where
does
private
property
begin?
Would
we
be
able
to
get
some
assurance
that
in
Vista
or
the
bordering
properties
aren't
hiring
somebody
to
do
broadcast
spraying
on
their
property?
But
it's
getting
done
in
our
areas
as
well
in
our
city
property
as
well.
G
It's
certainly
a
logical
question.
The
answer
is
a
little
more
difficult
from
a
public
works
perspective.
We
wouldn't
have
the
authority.
The
city
does
have
a
pesticide
by
law.
So
without
speaking
on
behalf
of
another
department,
there
may
be
mechanisms
there
to
approach
private
property
owners
if
they're
applying
pesticides-
that's
about
as
much
as
I
can
offer
at
this
point,
because
it
would
fall
outside
of
Public
Works
Authority.
D
G
D
G
So
often
because
Public
Works
is
on
the
roads,
I
mean
maintaining
the
shoulders
in
the
roadways.
We
work
with
engineering
transportation
services
to
identify
areas
that
could
be
included
in
capital
projects
for
capital
improvements
similar
to
that
type
of
example,
and
if
it's
a
small
scale
that
something
Public
Works
would
look
at
doing
in-house
as
well.
C
You
any
other
questions
from
I
have
a
question
again
about
the
granular
sealant.
Do
we
have
any
information
on
and
specific
to
turtle
nesting
do
have
any
information
on
whether
the
granules,
a
or
sealant
has
any
effect
on
that
spring
nesting
that
the
turtles
might
do
in
the
soft
gravel
in
the
wet
season?
So.
G
The
information
we
have
from
the
suppliers
and
through
the
approvals
through
MTO,
is
that
it's
a
it's,
not
a
marine
pollutant
and
it's
it's
not
toxic.
You
know
when
it's
secured
that
said
we're
looking
at
wetland
areas
and
not
using
this
product.
If
we
know
it's
a
known
turtle,
nesting
area,
I'm,
not
I,
can't
stand
before
you
and
say
that
no
it's
not
or
yes,
it
is,
but
if
there's
a
chance,
it
is
maybe
we
just
avoid
to
it
in
those
areas
completely.
So.
C
G
That
would
be
accurate
would
would
say
that
there's
probably
locations
that
aren't
in
wetlands
that
you
may
see
a
turtle
nests,
but
we
we
have
worked
with
local
groups
to
identify
key
areas,
known
areas
of
nesting.
We
work
with
training
our
staff
to
identify
what
turtle
nesting
look,
the
areas
look
like,
and
then
we
would
plan
our
program
around
that
where
the
granular
ceiling
is
really
effective
is
on
hills
and
grades.
Like
I've
shown
in
the
pictures
were
we
don't
tend
to
see
turtle
nesting,
but
it
really
is
a
benefit
for
drainage.
C
So,
and
further
to
what
Kaltura
tannic
was
asking
about
that
list
so
that
we
could
at
least
refer
to
it
when
we're
dealing
with
constituents
if
a
constituent
or
counselor
identifies
a
turtle
nest,
because
we
sometimes
that
happens
at
we're,
told
that
turtle
nests
was
spotted
somewhere.
It
is
that
something
we
could
forward
on
public
works,
so
you
could
add
it
to
your
list
of
somewhere
that
we
know
there's
active
turtle
nesting.
C
G
C
You
so
seeing
no
further
questions
from
members
of
the
committee
we'll
go
to
members
of
the
public.
The
only
rules
are,
you
need
to
identify
yourself,
come
to
a
microphone
and
there's
normally
a
five
minute
limit.
If
you
need
longer
than
five
minutes,
we'd
have
to
get
consent
from
the
committee
to
extend
your
time,
which
shouldn't
be
a
problem
in
on
a
day
like
today,
when
there's
only
to
business
I,
don't.
B
Just
as
Ryan
gets
set
up
so
I
know
that
miss
Armstrong.
She
also
wants
to
speak
on
behalf
of
her
husband
research
on
granular
sealants,
so
it
would
probably
be
five
minutes
and
then
another
five
minutes
to
speak
so
that
we
don't
interrupt.
Should
we
do
the
motion
now
to
extend
it
or
what
do
you
prefer?
I.
C
Following
the
rules
of
procedure,
we
should
just
allow
her
to
present
twice
because
if
it's
two
separate
subject
matters,
they
may
be
questions
from
members
of
the
committee
to
the
first
section
and
then
it
makes
sense
to
keep
it
separate.
But
as
far
as
the
time
limit,
I
wouldn't
worry
too
much
about
determinants,
because
the
committee
is
the
place
where,
where
we
can
have
longer
deliberations,
so
it
just
takes
motion
for
a
member
of
committee
to
give
you
more
time.
So
that's
not
really
an
issue.
J
You
there's
documents
to
be
distributed.
First,
I
want
to
start
with
an
acknowledgement
of
building
in
I
started
working
with
Bill
over
the
past
year
or
so
sending
texts
to
Lisa
Oh
sonic
they've
mowed,
the
grass
on
the
wetland
again,
maybe
so,
and
then
with
the
situation
that
happened
last
year
on
unity,
Road,
which
made
the
news,
which
was
very
awkward
and
I,
know
that
focused
a
lot
on
bill
as
director
public
works
and
he
has
more
than
stepped
up
to
the
plate.
J
I
can't
express
enough
gratitude
for
his
courage
and
foresight,
professionalism,
compassion
to
reschedule
the
maintenance
program,
as
he
so
humbly
referred
to
in
his
presentation,
but
just
in
a
minimal
way.
That
decision
has
had
a
massive
impact
on
the
turtle
populations.
He
delayed
the
road
maintenance
of
mowing
of
spraying,
which
I'll
go
into
later
on
from
for
the
entire
turtle
season,
from
the
end
of
May
to
the
end
of
September,
which
included
the
male's
that
were
marauding
about
in
in
August.
J
J
I
almost
live
on
it
and
I
am
so
appreciative
for
his
initiative.
To
do
this,
it
has
set
precedent
like
Kingston,
like
the
City
of
Kingston
other
areas
in
that
to
other
communities,
because
we
posted
this
on
Facebook
and
we
made
a
big
deal
about
it
because
it
is
a
big
deal
and
he
was
approached
by
two
other
counties.
Apparently
that
are
facing
the
same
issues
and
are
considering
implementing
the
same
schedule
to
the
best
of
their
abilities.
So
it
has
set
precedent
so
I
wanted
to
thank
Bill
in
this
context.
J
J
No,
that's
not
the
presentation
so
now,
I
get
on
to
the
presentation.
There's
gonna,
be
referrals
to
photos
and
I
do
want
to
say
that
there's
going
to
be
issues
that
I'm
gonna
make
reference
to
that
are
going
to
seem
like
I'm
throwing
bill
under
the
bus.
I
am
NOT.
This
is
practices
that
have
been
remedy
remedied
by
his
changing
of
the
schedule,
but
our
concern
is
to
formalize
them
with
the
council
to
make
sure
that
this
is
a
standard
operating
practice,
because
it's
that
important
in
the
wetlands,
okay
get
ready.
Cuz.
J
The
International
Agency
for
research
on
cancer
I
are
see
of
the
World
Health
Organization
released
a
report
in
2015
indicating
glyphosate
are
the
most
are
most
likely
carcinogenic
to
humans
and
are
linked
to
an
increased
risk
of
non-hodgkin
lymphoma.
Two
new
studies
have
linked
glyphosate
to
aggressive
breast
cancer
and
have
also
revealed
alarming
generational
changes
in
offspring
confirming
the
impact
on
second
and
third
generations.
J
These
new
studies
point
to
convincing
evidence
that
the
chemical
is
affecting
human
chemistry
at
the
genetic
level.
Turning
on
negative
disease-causing
traits
even
into
future
generations,
it
increases
susceptibility
to
health
problems
and
increased
infertility.
A
2018
study
concluded
that
90%
of
pregnant
women
had
detectable
glyphosate
levels
and
that
these
levels
correlated
significantly
with
shortened
pregnancy,
lengths,
glyphosate,
so
the
main
ingredient
in
the
herbicide
roundup
and
is
one
of
the
products
used
in
the
vegetation
management
by
the
city
of
kingston.
There
are
currently
more
than
42,000
people
suing
Monsanto.
J
J
Glyphosate
herbicides
are
now
banned
or
restricted
in
22
countries.
Worldwide
Costco
has
pulled
roundup
from
it's
shelves
due
to
public
pressure
and
because
of
the
fact
that
other
retailers
have
been
named
in
legal
action
like
Lowe's
and
Walmart,
because
they
didn't
chose
not
to
pull
it
from
their
shelves.
Baer
who
purchase
Monsanto
for
sixty
six
billion
dollars
in
2016
has
lost
three
high-profile
cases
against
it's
roundup
product
with
settlements
ranging
from
two
hundred
and
eighty
nine
million
dollars
to
two
point:
four
billion
dollars
causing
the
company
to
lose
investor
confidence,
stock
price
and
public
favor.
J
Last
October
showed
the
many
efforts
the
company
took
to
fight
the
I
err
ia
RC
assessment.
The
documents
reveal
communications
between
Monsanto
and
a
Canadian
firm
hired
to
recruit
scientists,
to
publish
studies
that
ultimately
defended
glyphosate,
some
of
which
were
secretly
reviewed
by
Monsanto
prior
to
publication.
J
All
the
papers
previously
reported
by
CBC
Radio
Canada
were
used
as
part
of
Health
Canada's
re-approve,
a
process
of
glyphosate
in
2017
Monsanto
operated
a
fusion
center,
that's
what
they
called
it
to
monitor
and
discredit
journalists
and
activists
and
targeted
a
reporter
who
wrote
a
critical
book
on
the
company
and
at
and
in
addition,
targeted
singer
Neil
Young,
the
internal
communications,
add
fuel
to
the
ongoing
claims
in
court.
That
Monsanto
has
bullied
critics
and
scientists
and
worked
to
conceal
the
dangers
of
glyphosate
in
January.
J
Health
Canada
said
that
the
asserted
quote
the
assert
a
ssin
of
improper
are
misleading.
Citations
was
disconcerting,
but
did
not
alter
the
agency's
final
decision
regarding
continued
registration
of
glyphosate
as
part
of
its
final
decision
in
January,
Health
Canada
rejected
the
eight
notices
of
objection
filed
by
doctors,
academics
and
medical
groups
that
wanted
an
independent
panel
to
review
its
reappraisal
decision.
J
100
percent
of
the
seeds
of
Roundup
Ready
crops,
as
they're
called
like
soy,
corn
and
canola,
have
been
spliced
with
glyphosate,
making
them
impervious
to
the
massive
amounts
of
glyphosate
that
are
later
sprayed
on
those
crops
as
an
herbicide,
it's
insanity.
Actually,
the
industry
is
having
to
use
this
year
15
times
the
amount
of
the
product,
because
the
weeds
are
now
resilient.
J
Health
Canada
is
under
pressure
to
protect
the
agro
industry,
so
is
looking
the
other
way
as
it
does
not
have
an
alternative
solution
for
the
farmers.
They
want
to
avoid
another
national
industry
from
collapsing,
especially
in
Western
Canada.
There
are
many
countries
that
are
starting
to
ban
the
imports
of
genetically
modified
crops.
I
would
recommend
that
you
go
to
the
Institute
for
Responsible
technology.
They
have
excellent
videos
on
YouTube.
That
explained
this
whole
story
very
concisely.
J
Glyphosate
is
a
broadleaf
herbicide
and
is
effective
only
when
sprayed
on
the
broad
leaf
of
the
intended
plant
to
be
eliminated.
It
is
not
to
be
sprayed
in
wetlands
and
not
on
roads
where
there
is
a
particular
slope
for
obvious
reasons,
because
of
the
runoff,
the
slope
encourages
the
product
to
run
down
into
the
water
table.
There
are
confirmations
that
the
product
does
not
leave
the
environment.
There
is
the
issue
of
bio
accumulation
in
the
sediments
of
the
wetlands.
This
may
have
catastrophic
consequences
in
the
future.
J
This
will
have
the
wetlands
are
our
fresh
water
reservoirs.
Ontario
has
20%
of
the
world's
fresh
water
supply.
We
can't
be
so
readily
disrespecting
that
fact
turtles
are
called
the
wetland
janitors
because
of
the
huge
amounts
of
bacteria
producing
carrion.
They
consume
keeping
our
fresh
waters
clean.
Just
today
there
was
an
article
on
global
stating
that
there
are
already
two
billion
people
25%
of
the
world's
population
who
are
at
risk
to
not
have
fresh
water
25%
of
the
world's
population.
That
number
will
continue
to
rise
with
climate
change.
C
J
Yeah
five
more
minutes,
okay,
really
faster.
The
photos
show
that
the
roadsides
were
mowed
on
May
29.
That's
the
first
photo
in
your
package
during
the
beginning
of
the
turtle
nesting
season.
This
is
going
back
to
2018
and
again
this
a
lot
of
this
has
been
changed
because
of
those
courageous
decisions
to
change
things
this
year.
J
The
travesty
is
that
the
roadsides
were
sprayed
after
their
remote,
as
shown
evident
by
the
comparison
of
the
dates
on
the
photo
showing
the
mowed
roadside,
May
29th
and
the
photo
of
the
warning
sign
that
was
posted
at
the
wetland
of
which
there
was
only
one
indicating
the
date
of
spraying
to
be
the
mid
to
late
June.
The
actual
spring
actually
happened
on
the
week
of
June
13th.
So
this
is
a
broadleaf
herbicide.
J
It
is
not
to
be
sprayed
on
a
cut
plant
because
guess
what
happened?
It
all
ran
off
because
there
was
nothing
to
hold.
It
ran
down
the
slide,
the
slopes
into
the
water
table.
That
is
crazy.
Now
this
work
was
subcontracted
out.
So
obviously,
there
was
negligence
on
behalf
of
the
subcontractor
I
sent
an
email
to
councilor
osanic.
The
night
I
took
the
photo
of
the
mowed
roadside
and
expressed
my
concern
that,
like
the
previous
year,
the
roadsides
would
be
sprayed
during
nesting
season
and
again
after
cuz.
J
It
happened
again
also
in
2017,
which
is
exactly
the
opposite
of
the
instructions
for
the
use
of
the
herbicide.
In
addition,
I
had
previously
expressed
my
concern
about
the
3,500
pound
payload
er,
driving
directly
on
top
of
the
nesting
lines,
as
shown
in
the
photo.
The
wetland
was
sprayed
during
the
peak
of
nesting
season
and
there's
photos
of
a
snapping
turtle
nesting
in
amongst
the
dead
foilage,
with
the
newer
research
that
is
now
coming
out,
because
Monsanto
was
no
longer
in
the
position
to
camouflage
the
data
data.
J
It
is
of
grave
concern,
particularly
the
recent
research
showing
the
impact
on
second
and
third
generations,
I
consulted
with
a
number
of
biologists
who
specialized
in
Turtles,
and
they
stated
that
there
is
no
doubt
that
the
chemicals
would
affect
the
developing
embryos
on
the
eggs.
Turtles
are
the
most
imperiled
vertebrate
species
on
the
planet.
Habitat
loss
is
the
principal
reason
followed
by
Road
mortality.
It
is
difficult
to
comprehend
the
allowance
of
practices
that
not
only
affect
the
welfare
of
the
adult
turtles,
but
also
their
their
offspring.
J
J
In
the
midst
of
the
granular
seed
sealant,
we
were
contacted
by
a
facebook
supporter
who
sent
us
a
photo
of
Burbank
Road
that
showed
a
black
stub
since
asking
us
what
it
was.
We
had
no
idea.
We
later
found
out
that
that
was
phase
2
of
the
roadside
maintenance
program.
First,
you
use
the
glyphosate
to
destroy
everything,
that's
living,
then
you
spray.
This
granular
sealant
I
went
to
Burbank
Road
and
collected
some.
It
had
been
sprayed
like
three
days
before
I
could
not
get
it
off
my
gloves
and
that's
after
three
days
of
exposure
minimum.
J
So
could
you
imagine
the
peril
of
a
female
turtle
returning
to
her
habitual
nesting
place
that
she
used
for
decades
because
remember
that
they
can
over
a
hundred
years
and
find
it
sprayed
with
this
gooey
substance?
Snappers
have
very
long
claws
and
I'm
referring
to
snappers
because
they're
the
ones
that
you
find
most
often
on
the
roadsides.
They
aren't
for
aggressive
reasons
or
defensive
reasons,
they're
used
to
navigate
the
terrain.
Imagine
her
getting
that
stuck
in
between
her
claws.
How
is
she
gonna?
Get
it
off?
J
J
Imagine
if
that
sensitive
area
got
clogged
with
this
stuff
and
if
they
do
successfully
nest
there
in
that
photo,
it
shows
that
the
turtle
has
dragged
that
stuff
into
the
nest
with
their
eggs.
So,
what's
gonna
happen
to
the
developing
embryo
and
what's
going
to
happen
to
the
hatchlings
when
they
emerge,
we
know
that
this
stuff
seems
to
stay
tacky
because
of
the
intensity
of
the
heat
of
the
Sun.
So
it
also
holds
more
heat
as
related
to
climate
change.
J
So
if
they're
deterred
from
nesting
in
their
habitual
spots,
they're
going
to
try
to
cross
the
road
looking
for
somewhere
successful,
which
means
we've
now
pushed
them
into
surely
a
Death
Zone,
because
more
than
two-thirds
of
turtles
do
not
make
it
crossing
roads.
So
the
answer
is
clear
and
simple:
we're
asking
that
the
City
of
Kingston
make
the
necessary
motions
to
change
these
practices
to
those
that
truly
respect
the
environment
and
the
endangered
species
living
there.
J
K
Okay,
thank
you.
Mr.
chair
Frank,
Dixon
I
have
four
points
and
questions
across
a
range
of
topics.
Thank
you
to
mr.
loon
for
the
presentation
on
the
report
and
to
the
questions
from
the
committee
and
amazing
presentation.
Leah
saw
I'm
going
to
start
off
by
sharing
some
compliments,
which
I
got
a
la
glow,
just
a
conversation
with
American
military
officer.
Engineer.
Who's
posted
here
is
very
impressed
with
how
Canada
in
general
maintains
its
rule
it's
as
compared
to
most
of
the
u.s..
The
sort
of
interesting
didn't
expect
it
so
there's
some
questions.
K
Have
you
noticed
any
increase
in
wash
oats
with
climate
change
in
recent
years,
I've
had
a
lot
of
maybe
bigger
wetter,
storms
and
then
just
sort
of
going
along
with
that
I'm
wondering
if
you,
if
you
chart
those
areas
and
it
may
be,
you
could
present
them,
maybe
on
a
map
for
showing
them
and
then
that
those
might
be
areas
for
looking
at
a
reengineering
of
the
areas
around
and
near
the
road,
the
roadside
just
to
try
to
prevent
that
I'm
sure
you're.
Thinking
about
that
anyway.
K
It's
question
the
area
in
and
around
the
VA
station
is
that
a
city
responsibility
or
a
set
of
via
responsibilities?
Okay,
we
know
that
there
is
a
lot
of
ketchup,
that's
needed
on
rural
roads
in
Kingston.
We've
heard
about
that
number
of
times
through
points
being
raised
by
councilors
for
those
areas
and
I'm
wondering
if
there
is
a
catch
up
also
on
the
vegetation
maintenance
for
those
roads,
because
there's
a
lot
of
Road
area
out
there
that
the
city
has
acquired
through
an
automation.
So
mr.
K
the
wondering
what's
up,
do
you
have
to
use
hand
maintenance
in
certain
areas
just
because
of
the
slopes
and
hard
to
get
out,
and
do
you
cut
the
vegetation
down
in
the
autumn
or
do
you
leave
it
long
I
want
to
sort
of
work.
Now
I
curious
about
that.
I
think
that's
Ross
that
I
think
council
covered,
or
the
committee
covered
a
number
of
my
points
other
than
that.
So
we.
J
K
C
G
Through
the
chair,
I'll
speak
to
the
direct
questions.
Hopefully
I
caught
all
the
questions,
but
winter
maintenance
does
require
the
placement
of
salt
and
sand.
That's
that
material
that
sand
does
migrate
through
the
gravel
shoulders,
because
it's
a
gravel
product
it
becomes
part
of
the
shoulder.
Typically
in
the
urban
setting.
We
do
spring
sweeping
to
pick
up
that
material
and
to
haul
it
back
to
our
yard.
There
are
a
couple
of
rural
locations
where
we
do
that
at
intersections
anywhere.
G
G
G
For
that
reason,
we
don't
really
track.
You
know
washes
that
happen
in
the
same
location
over
and
over,
because
we
try
and
fix
the
problem.
But
we
to
answer
the
question.
We
do
not
track
specific
locations,
it's
hard
for
me
to
say
if
we've
noticed
an
increase
in
washouts
due
to
this
type
of
storms
were
experiencing
due
to
climate
change,
and
we
certainly
don't
map
the
locations
at
this
point
in
time.
It's
really
well
do
the
routine
maintenance
and
we
try
and
find
permanent
solutions.
It's
not
something!
G
That's
currently
tracked,
the
via
station,
the
property
around
the
via
station.
There
is
a
road
right
away,
I'm,
aware
of
through
some
of
the
design
drawings
I've,
seen
through
the
engineering
project,
that's
taking
place
in
John
Cameron
Boulevard
mm-hmm,
but
there
is
a
large
area
outside
the
road
allowance
and
that
is
via
property.
G
Catch
up
on
rural
roads
as
far
as
vegetation
management
go
I,
think
we've
always
Public
Works,
as
always,
has
had
a
presence
in
the
rural
area.
We've
really
looked
at
some
of
our
activities
in
recent
years.
Road
sight,
brushing
program,
was
implemented
re-implemented
a
couple
of
three
years
ago,
four
years
ago,
to
focus
on
maintaining
the
right
away.
The
roadside
grass
cutting
has
always
been
an
activity
that
takes
place
largely
in
the
rural
area,
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
G
So
we
are
actively
looking
for
ways
to
improve
our
maintenance,
do
it
more
efficiently
and
do
it
cheaper
and
yes,
oftentimes.
A
lot
of
our
maintenance
work
requires
handwork,
whether
that's
raking,
shoveling
even
pothole
patching
is
an
example
of
handwork
that
we
do
in
a
regular
basis
outside
of
a
lot
of
manual
type
of
tasks
that
our
crews
perform
and
may
have
missed.
One
question
in
they're
not
sure.
C
C
A
C
B
So
in
a
handouts
that
we've
got,
it
says
Burbank
Road
miss
burr
Brooke.
That
was
pretty
server
Breck,
so
mr.
linen
can
we
have
that
put
on
the
list
of
roads
because,
like
it
definitely
shows
a
female
snapping
turtle
trying
to
weigh
in
through
the
grant
like?
That's
definitely
definitely
a
wetland
area
of
right,
because
there's
the
turtle
right
there.
G
Yes,
we'd,
certainly
I'll
get
at
any
location
I
would
they
were
gonna,
had
their
takeaway
items
from
a
list,
but
we'd
actually
we'd
work
with
mrs.
Armstrong
or
any
counselor
or
any
concern
that's
brought
forward,
and
if
we
can
identify
that
location,
that's
certainly
under
consideration.
Absolutely.
I
G
Actively,
looking
at
the
other
wetland
locations,
we're
really
trying
to
focus
on
identifying
that
species
like
turtles
are
actually
nesting
in
those
areas.
That's
an
important
part
of
the
equation.
We
feel
there
was
a
reference
to
unity,
Road
wetland.
In
that
particular
case,
there
were
some
significant
washout,
so
we
had
to
attend
to.
It
did
get
a
lot
of
media
attention,
but
those
are
look.
That's
another
example
of
location
we
would
be
considering
for
weather,
Road
site
grass.
Cutting
is
required
and.
G
F
Sir
you're
sure
mr.
linen
I'd
like
to
personally
thank
you
for
their
efforts
of
an
extraordinary.
It's
been
a
pleasure
working
with
you
trying
to
dress
these
issues.
Is
there
anything
from
your
perspective
that
council
can
do
to
assist
you
in
performing
your
job
even
more
effectively
to
help
address
these
types
of
issues
going
forward?
Is
there
something
you
need
us
to
bring
forward
in
future
budgets?
F
G
Very
much
appreciated,
I
think
from
a
public
works
perspective.
We
want
to
look
at
our
infrastructure
what's
appropriate
and
the
circumstances
what's
a
probation
cease
as
far
as
what
what
we
can
and
can't
do
or
able
to
do
look
at
if
efficiencies
look
at
unique
circumstances
and
then
present,
you
know
what
we
feel
we
need
for
resources
or
or
policy
for
that
matter.
C
L
L
I
know
there
are
two
members
from
the
from
Keefe
here
tonight
on
this
committee
and
a
lot
of
by
and
a
lot
of
involvement
in
creating
a
outline
of
what
can
be
reported
on
through
this
committee
to
council
annually
by
Keith
based
on
data
for
metrics
is
readily
available
that
can
be
interpreted
in
brought
forward.
The
committee
did
make
a
few
minor
room
opens
a
minor,
but
a
few
revisions.
I
don't
mean
to
downplay
them,
but
did
make
some
some
just
there's
a
couple
of
revisions
to
the
staff
recommendation.
L
We
wholeheartedly
support
those
changes
and
I
think
this
is
something
that
really
can
be
embraced
annually
by
Keith
and
will
provide
a
lot
of
value
and
insight
into
the
state
of
the
community
from
environmental
perspective
across
many
measures
across
the
spectrum.
So
let's
leave
it
at
that
for
now,
Thanks.
C
Like
I'd
like
to
start
with
a
very
general
question,
just
so
it's
kind
of
a
procedural
question,
but
in
staffs
understanding
this
schedule,
if
passed
by
council
if
it
needs
to
be
altered
in
the
future
like
new
metrics,
come
up
or
some
metrics
are
empty
because
we
can't
get
the
data
or
whatever.
What?
What
would
be
the
procedure
to
update
this.
This
policy
yeah.
L
C
L
C
Any
other
questions
from
members
of
the
committee
remember
we'll
just
two
questions
at
this
point
and
then
when
we
move
it
and
second,
it
is
when
we
get
into
deliberations.
So
if
you
could,
if
you
start
expressing
your
own
positions
or
opinions,
I
will
have
you
save
it
for
later.
Go
ahead.
Counselor
Senate.
B
There
you
mr.
chair
under
biodiversity
under
core
metric,
and
we
have
tree
plantings
and
we're
going
to
be
recording
the
net
new
plantings
per
year.
I
just
also
wondered
if
we
could
add
to
that
information
from
public
works
as
to
which
species
we
planted.
So
we
can
try
to
get
an
idea.
If
we're
you
know
always
planting
honey,
locust
or,
if
we're
doing
a
like
a
big
biodiversity
of
trees,
getting
Oaks
in
there
and
other
more
substantial
trees.
L
C
Interpretation
from
the
way
the
schedule
reads
is
that
mr.
matachi,
when
he's
putting
together
the
state
report,
could
we
could
just
remind
him
that
we
would
like
to
see
the
difference,
the
species
breakdown
and
and
because
that
speaks
directly
to
biodiversity,
as
you
were
saying
and
I'm
sure
that
I'm
sure
that
would
be
impossible.
Yes,
counselor
off
Thank.
H
You
mr.
chair
mm-hmm,
just
picking
up
on
councilor
ascetics
thoughts
there
and
having
some
of
the
issues
in
the
rural
area
where
we've
seen
trees
planted
where
we
feel
they
shouldn't
have
been
planted
and
without
really
considering
plans
that
we've
understood
so
I
was
wondering
just
like
we
did
a
CAT
pea.
We
showed
a
great
map
of
the
city
and
whether
we
could
maybe
I
don't
think
it's
not
difficult
with
computers.
H
Today
we
could
kind
of
show
some
of
the
progress
than
these
metrics
and
the
secondary
metrics,
an
idea
of
where
we're
planting,
where
we
understand
we're
running
out
of
space,
so
you
know
and
that
we
need
need,
maybe
private
owners
to
be
and
participate
in
it.
So
there'd
be
a
really
interactive
map
that
we
could
use
to
show.
Where
we've
been,
perhaps
where
we
are
right
now
and
where
we're
going
and
we
could,
we
could
watch
that
progress.
L
You
tear
understand
the
the
question
I'm,
not
sure
if
the
state
of
the
environment
report
from
Keefe
is
the
best
place
for
something
like
that.
I
I,
think
understand,
you're,
saying
and
I
don't
want
to
pass
it
off
to
my
friends
and
Public
Works
that
we're
just
here,
but
as
far
as
where
the
plantings
are
happening
and
how
that
is
is
is
proceeding.
I
think
it
needs
to
be
handled
through
the
department.
L
L
J
C
Okay,
the
commuter
just
remind
members,
so
Keefe
has
worked
on
this
state
of
the
environment
thing.
This
is
an
annual
report
meant
to
be
benchmarks
that
we
can
follow
over
time,
something
like
a
map
of
plantings
with,
especially
for
cluding
species,
and
so
on
that
level
of
detail
is
available
from
staff.
You
probably
can
just
get
it
by
asking.
If,
if
it's,
if
it
requires
significant
work
to
produce
that
map,
then
it
might
require
a
motion
at
this
committee
to
direct
staff
to
to
do
that
work.
B
C
K
K
Just
number
of
points
on
various
areas
going
to
page
9
near
the
top
talking
about
water
and
the
core
metric,
and
you
get
an
acronym
there.
The
CSO,
acronym
and
I
didn't
see
that
defined
as
to
what
that
is
anywhere
in
the
report,
so
this
morning
would
be
able
to
explain
why
that
what
that
is
we're
all
dealing
with
acronyms?
You
know
all
of
our
lives
right
so
hard
to
keep
track
of
them
all
sometimes.
K
So
what
you
have
here
with
this
report
is
essentially
you
have
a
fundamental
set
of
guidelines
that
you're
creating
like
framework
for
citywide
evaluation
of
environmental
aspects.
Right,
so
that's
a
tremendous
achievement.
Now
we
have
to
apply
it
and
the
tannery
Lands
project
is
likely
the
most
challenging
and
likely
probably
the
most
expensive
environmental
renovation
we're
gonna
have
to
do.
K
This
is
a
tough
one
and
the
fact
that
it's
resisted
any
change
since
it
was
abandoned
1973
indicates
that
it's
a
large
area,
it's
very
polluted.
It's
on
the
water,
so
I
guess.
My
general
question
is,
with
this
report
I'm
wondering
if
staff
might
be
able
to
comment
on
the
specifics
of
the
tannery
lands
file
as
it
relates
to
this
report.
K
K
Right
there's
been
an
estimate
made
as
to
the
cost
of
the
cleanup
that
was
in
the
report
presented
recently,
so
I'm
wondering
if
this
report
could
assist
that
there
was
no
explanation
as
to
where
that,
where
that
number
came
from
so
with
the
tannery
lands
file,
you
have
one
report
dealing
with
the
water
side
right.
You
have
our
MC
lead
report,
that's
public
on
the
pollution,
that's
offshore
there,
and
then
we
have
a
report
that
we
can't
get
out
yet
and
we
get
an
ongoing
problem.
C
Mr.
Dickson
I
just
got
to
point
out
as
chair
the
a
specific
file
that
you're
referring
to
is
not
subject
to
this
state
of
the
environment
report,
which
is
met
which
talked
about
metrics,
so
the
specific
development
applications
would
not
be
part
of
the
report
as
as
written,
also
there's
with
ongoing,
with
with
active
development
of
applications
staff
wouldn't
be.
C
K
D
If
I
might
order,
this
is
a
template
for
a
report.
This
is
not
a
report
all
this
does
is
it
takes
a
previous
state
of
the
environment
report
and,
after
five
very
very
busy
meetings,
it
draws
up
a
template
and
probably
by
q3
or
q4,
there
will
be
a
detailed
report
coming
back
and
at
that
time
there
will
be
issues
such
as
runoff
such
as
brownfield
remediation
impacts,
but
this
is
just
merely
a
template
for
a
report.
It
is
in
no
way
a
report.
K
All
right
all
right
that
more
or
less
ends
what
I
had
to
say.
What
I'm
saying
is
we're
getting
into
I
would
say
this
report
is
in
advance,
I'm,
happy
to
see
it
and
we've
got
to
make
sure
that
it
gets
applied
right,
can't
be
just
sitting
on
the
shelf
and
not
being
used
so
I'm
encouraged
with
the
activism
of
this
council
that
it's
paying
attention
and
the
work
being
done
by
staff
that
we're
gonna
see
responsible
environmental
management
at
a
different
level
in
the
city
than
we've
seen
before
how
to
hire
the
law.
C
E
M
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
my
name
is
Roger
helium
I'm,
chair
of
chief,
so
I
was
really
just
here
to
hopefully,
if
their
answer
any
questions,
I
can't
answer
the
question
raised
by
you,
mr.
Dixon,
that
CSO
refers
to
combined
sewer
overflow
events,
and
that's
that
happens
with
the
old
sewer
system,
which
we
still
have
vestiges
of
combines
sanitary,
sewer
and
and
Road
runoff
overflow.
In
in
strong
rain
events,
we
get,
we
still
get
combined
sewer
overflow
events
and
I
would
hope
that,
as
as
sewer
repair
work
continues,
this
number
will
will
decrease
over
time.
M
M
That
information
is
changing,
as
you
probably
know
that
some
of
the
measurements
are
changing
over
time,
and
so
so
yeah
we
will
have
to
react
with
overtime,
as
new
information
becomes
available
that
that
pertains
to
these
these
subjects.
But
anyway,
we
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
covered
as
much
as
we
reasonably
could.
But
I
still
think
this
could
change
a
little
bit,
but
it
will
come
back
in
in
a
final
version
or
close
to
final
version
to
this
committee.
I
think.
C
L
That's
real
quickly,
my
Deputy
Commissioner
over
there
Roger
Healey
for
answering
CSO
is
correct.
Combined
sewer,
overflow
events
and
the
timeline
as
set
out
in
the
new
mandate
for
Keefe,
has
supported
by
councils
by
June
30th
to
come
with
an
information
report
to
Council
annually
for
state
of
environment.
L
I
would
say
that
maybe
the
first
one
hopefully
will
make
it
I
think
definitely
going
forward
once
the
first
one
gets
done
and
then
metrics
are
there
and
things
go
that
meteor
timeline
can
be
hit
just
for
maybe
we
will
aim
for
that
and
I
think
it's
doable,
but
as
councillor
Neill
said
it
might
be
in
the
q3
depending
on
how
it
goes
this
is
this
will
be
the
first
run
at
it,
but
I
don't
think
I
have
anything
further
dad.
Thank
you.
So.
D
Like
all
Committees
of
Council.
We've
been
tasked
rightfully
with
an
annual
report,
and
this
represents
that
annual
report
of
Keith.
It
was
quite
a
few
members
of
Keef
attended
and
quite
a
few
meetings
and
brainstormed
this,
but
the
the
understanding
all
along
was
that
this
was
a
living
document
and
other
people
could
come
forward
and
say.
D
D
All
that
this
is
is,
like
I,
said,
a
template
where
we've
identified
where
we
can
get
metric,
where
there
are
of
where
there's
available
data
that
we
can
access
for
the
final
report,
so
so
I
think
I
think
this
reflects
a
lot
of
really
hard
work
and
it's
a
great
first
step
towards
an
annual
report
that
we
can
bring
forward
so
and
I
believe
I
saw
a
handout
over
there.
Chabela.
F
You
through
your
chair,
just
a
compliment
on
what
councillor
Neill
is
saying:
I
know
that
you
brought
forward
the
motion
with
regards
to
the
wildflowers
and
replacing
some
grassy
areas
that
have
more
wildflowers.
That
also
could
possibly
a
metric
to
know
how
much
from
areas
we've
turned
over
to
more
natural
habitats
rather
than
having
to
mow
it
all
the
time
things
like
that,
Oh.
B
C
Okay,
so
like
to
say
on
behalf
the
residents
of
Sydenham
that
we're
very
happy
to
see
this,
as
Camille
said
as
an
iteration
of
the
annual
report
from
Keith
having
served
on
Keefe
in
the
past
and
wondering
you
know,
sometimes
you
go
to
a
conference
or
a
conversation,
you
know
starts
where
the
topics
that
get
covered
are
all
over
the
place,
and
you
really
want
people
to
be
able
to
agree
on
what
to
talk
about,
because
you
feel
like
you
can't
get
anywhere.
You
just
spin
your
wheels,
that's
what
it
felt
like
with
Keith.
C
In
the
first
years
there
was
a
2015
I
was
at
16,
I
was
on
check
on
Keith
and
it
felt,
like
everybody,
had
the
great
intentions,
but
but
we
didn't
really
agree
on
how
to
tackle
issues
affecting
the
environment.
We
didn't
agree
because
we
didn't
even
know
we
didn't
know
necessarily
speaking
the
same
language
and
some
people
were
very
evolved
in
their
thinking
and
really
wanted
specific
action
and
one
element.
C
Other
people
want
to
talk
about
something
completely
different,
and
then
you
get
disagreements
on
and
matter
a
difference
of
opinion
on
stuff
before
you
even
have
a
set
of
ground
rules
about
what
you're
talking
about.
So
that's
what
the
most
important
thing
about
this
is
that
it
gives
us
reference
in
scientific,
measurable
language
of
what
we're
actually
talking
about
the
environment
is
such
a
complex
thing
that
if
you
don't
have
this
kind
of
framework,
you
can't
have
conversations.
C
That's
at
least
starts
to
take
away
I
had
from
my
years
on
Keith,
so
I'm
really
excited
about
it
that
this'll.
This
will
really
move
the
conversation
forward.
It
allows
us
to
draw
on
the
expertise
that
that
we
haven't
that
we're
fortunate
enough
to
have
in
the
city
that
everyone's
always
agreed
that
I
was
always
on
Keith,
but
this
kind
of
framework
allows
us
to
have
reference
for
all
of
our
conversations,
and
especially
some
of
the
some
of
these
metrics.
So
just
think
how
important
some
of
these
metrics
are.
C
C
The
you
know
the
sewer
overflows
and
I'm
glad
that
that
it
was
clarified,
sewer
overflows.
You
know
the
the
practice
of
having
sewage
overflow
into
the
environment
goes
back
over
a
hundred
years
in
Kingston,
and
we
feel
I
feel
like
we're
just
starting
to
make
headway
now
and
I'm,
actually
quite
proud
of
that
aspect
of
what
staff
are
doing
to
reduce
that
amount.
But
again
we
need
to
know
exactly
how
many
there
are
and
how
we're
making
progress
on
it,
and
it's
not
enough
to
just
know
that
staff
is
taking
it
seriously.
C
We
need
to
be
able
to
measure
it
sometimes
the
best
way
with
my
kids,
the
best
way
to
get
them
to
learn
about
something
is
to
say
well
what
what
are
we
doing
right
now?
You
know,
so
that's
what's
really
exciting
about
this.
This
really
ties
us.
It
grounds
us
to
to
the
fact
and
reality
and
allows
us
to
speak
about
climate
action
in
a
meaningful
way,
so
that's
I'm,
looking
forward
to
it
being
a
real,
real
good
set
of
benchmarks
to
be
able
to
have
productive
conversations.
Thank
you
again.