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Heritage Kingston meeting from September 21, 2022. For full meeting agenda visit https://bit.ly/3Snx2sl
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D
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
We
will
watch
welcome
to
appear
the
agenda.
Do
we
have
additions
to
the
agenda
or
a
motion
to
approve
the
agenda
as
printed
done
seconded
by
Jen?
Thank
you
very
much
any
discussion
there
and
seeing
none
those
in
favor
of
the
agenda
as
printed
and
those
opposed,
and
that
is
carried.
D
D
E
The
property
is
designated
under
part.
Four
of
the
Heritage
act
in
2017
includes
a
number
of
attributes
that
are
noted
on
the
screen.
The
building
was
built
in
1941
for
the
Bell
Telephone
Company.
It
was
to
provide
a
central
facility
for
the
switching
apparatus
for
when
they
switched
from
the
operator
assisted
system.
In
that
time.
E
So
the
application
today
is
under
section
33
part
4
of
the
ACT
to
request
approval
to
alter
an
existing
vent,
and
you
can
see
it
in
the
bottom
left
of
the
image
on
the
screen.
The
top
image
is
existing.
The
bottom
is
proposed
and
I
will
zoom
in
a
little
bit
on
my
next
slide
here
in
a
sec,
the
existing
vent
is
0.6
meters
by
0.8
meters
or
23
inches
by
32
inches.
It's
on
the
northeast
corner
of
the
building's
Foundation.
E
Now
due
to
security
concerns,
the
owners
wish
to
relocate
the
vent
to
approximately
3.4
meters
or
roughly
11
feet
above
grade
using
an
existing
metal
box
ductwork.
The
new
ductwork
is
to
run
along
the
exterior
of
the
wall
and
be
painted
to
match
cladding
of
the
building
and
affix
to
the
building
in
accordance
with
the
masonry
policy.
E
The
city
of
Kingston
is
fortunate
to
have
such
a
wealth
of
built
Heritage
resources.
Our
register
includes
some
1400
entries
and
a
vast
majority
of
those
are
19th
century
Limestone
and
brick
buildings.
There
is,
however,
very
few
Landmark
mid-20th
Century
buildings
built
in
the
modern,
classical
style
like
the
Bell
building
on
our
register.
E
E
At
the
use
of
limestone
cladding
wasn't
intentional
to
reflect
the
predominant
Building
Material
in
Kingston
and
may
be
unique
among
Bell
buildings
in
Ontario,
the
two
Stone
sculptures
The
prominent
entrants,
the
unique
architecture
and
the
location
close
to
the
street
adds
to
its
Landmark
status
in
Kingston
and
makes
this
building
an
important
contribute
to
the
streetscape
on
Princess
Street,
the
stone
Clan
foundation
and
walls,
particularly
those
visible
from
Princess,
are
noted.
Heritage
attributes
of
this
property,
the
federal
standards
and
guidelines
include
specific
Guidance
with
respect
to
Mechanical
and
electrical
systems.
E
They
note
that
ensuring
the
least
alterations
possible
to
the
building's
exterior
form
and
the
least
damage
to
the
character,
defining
elements
of
the
building,
placing
new
mechanical
systems
in
existing
non-character
spaces,
rather
than
constructing
new
installing,
in
a
manner
that
it
does
not
damage
or
obscure
character-defining
elements
and
installing
the
vertical
runs
of
ductworks
in
character.
Defining
spaces
such
as
closets
service
rooms
and
wall.
Cavities
are
all
parts
of
that
guideline
from
the
standards
and
guidelines
and
helps
us
to
to
consider
these
types
of
changes.
E
It's
a
3.4
meter
tall
metal
structure
will
not
only
conceal
a
considerable
amount
of
the
wall
surface,
but
will
also
compete
with
the
prominence
of
the
main
entrance.
Stone
sculptures
and
various
other
attributes
of
building
the
Bell
Telephone
building
is
designed
with
clear,
horizontal
and
vertical
datum
lines
of
symmetrical
windows
and
door
arrangement,
including
uniform
spandrel
panels
and
base
course
and
stone
above
the
foundation.
The
proposed
venting
structure
will
appear
as
an
anomaly
on
the
face
of
this
building,
as
it
disrupts
this
very
intentional
rhythm
of
architectural
design
and
modern,
classical
Style.
E
E
Staff
are
the
of
the
opinion
that
the
proposal
will
have
an
unacceptable
negative
impact
on
Heritage
attributes
of
the
Bill
of
building,
namely
the
modern,
architectural
style,
contrasting
Textures
in
the
Limestone
finishes
and
the
foundation
walls
and
the
smooth
Stone
finish,
and
their
visibility
and
legibility
from
Princess
Street.
We
did
circulate
this
application.
Building.
Permit
will
be
required
for
this
planning
has
noted
some
hesitation
with
plant
some
zoning
setback
requirements
that
they
need,
confirmation
on
which
will
be
addressed
through
building
permit
and
our
engineering
colleagues
have
requested
that
an
entrance
excuse
me.
E
A
temporary
access
permit
be
obtained
access
this
for
the
work
for
to
do
the
work
this
committee
was
consulted.
Your
comments
are
summarized
in
the
in
the
agenda.
Two
responding
members
noted
concerns
with
this
visual
impact
and
suggested
alternative
locations
which
I
spoke
to,
and
so
staff
are
recommending
against
this
application,
and
our
motion
is
before
you,
which
is
pretty
straightforward.
I,
do
note,
though,
if
if
committee
is
considering
supporting
it,
we
have
drafted
a
series
of
conditions
of
approval
that
we
would
recommend
be
included
in
any
amendment
in
that
nature.
Thank
you.
E
B
E
Thank
you,
Mr
chair.
We
did
discuss
options
with
the
with
the
owners.
As
you
may
be
aware,
they
attempted
some
type
of
fencing
around
the
property
for
some
time
which
appeared
to
be
have
limited
success.
This
was
the
option
that
they
pushed
for
they
I.
They
have
talked
about
other
other
things,
but
this
was
the
one
that
they
chose
as
their
primary
most
successful
way
of
doing
it.
So
it's
what
we
have
before
us
today,
I'm
afraid.
E
E
E
D
F
E
E
F
F
G
So
I
mean
I
can
understand
if
they
have
sort
of
stuff
in
the
interior.
They
can't
be
mood,
but
also
like.
Sometimes
you
get
like
a
foundation
that
say
if
this
is
Stone
and
it's
improperly
like
if
it
needs
a
lot
of
work,
to
put
a
hole
into
to
move
the
ductwork
but
I'm
wondering
actually
if
they
could
and
if
this
doesn't
go
through.
If
you
discuss
with
them
moving.
G
If
you
look
at
the
picture
of
the
the
facade,
you
can
bring
it
up,
there's
a
like
a
short
horizontal
run
and
then
the
vertical
run.
If
they
could
take
the
horizontal
run
and
at
least
put
that
on
the
exterior
around
to
the
other
side.
And
then
maybe
you
could
landscape
in
front
of
that
horizontal
run,
hide
it
and
then
you'd
have
the
exhaust
on
the
side
of
the
building.
So
the
actual
vertical
element
move
that
around
to
the
other
side
as
a
possible
solution
that
that
makes
sense.
H
H
Unfortunately,
the
applicant
wasn't
willing
to
contemplate
those
options
with
us
and
so
as
such
I
guess
I'm
just
putting
on
the
table
that
staff
are
really
in
a
difficult
position
to
represent
the
challenges
that
the
applicant
has
experienced
when
they
actually
haven't
been
disclosed
to
us.
So
I
do
acknowledge
yourself
and
as
well.
You
know
counselor
userhoff,
you
know
it
is
a
difficult
position.
H
It's
a
difficult
position
for
staff
to
bring
forward
a
negative
recommendation
where
we
don't
support
the
applicant
and
we
don't
have
options,
but
that's
really
where
we're
at
and
so
I
think.
There
are
many
possible
alternate
outcomes,
but
until
we
have
an
applicant
who's
willing
to
discuss
those
potentials
or
at
least
justify,
why
they're
not
possible
it's
very
challenging
for
staff
to
speak
to
committee
with
you
know
any
sense
of
authority
on
what
is
the
actual
barrier
here.
G
I
I
The
other
concern
is
that
there
seems
to
be
an
assumption
that
if
this
you
know,
event
is
sort
of
expanded
and
moved
that
this
area
will
no
longer
be
attractive
attractive
to
the
homeless,
people
that
like
to
congregate
there-
and
you
know,
I'm,
not
very
knowledgeable
about
the
situation
but
I-
imagine
there's
a
a
pleasant,
rather
large,
grassy
area
that
is
comfortable
and
not
too
close
to
the
street.
They
like
that,
and
they,
like
the
warmth
that
comes
from
this
vent.
I
If
the
deck
duct
is
extended
upwards,
there
will
still
be
some
warmth
there.
So
to
me,
it's
a
it's
very
possible
that
if
this
insulation
were
approved,
it
wouldn't
really
solve
the
problem
that
the
bill
people
are
concerned
with
so
I
think
denying
it
is
the
right
thing
to
do
and
look
for
a
better
solution.
Thank
you.
J
I'm
really
just
a
comment:
I
guess:
I
can't
get
past
this
issue
of
security.
Have
they
had
issues
before
I
mean
what
are
they?
What
is
it?
Are
they
afraid
that
somebody's
gonna
rip
the
outer
cover
off
and
and
crawl
through
whatever's
on
the
other
side
into
into
the
building
and
as
you've
already
stated,
it
sounds
like
they're
not
giving
any
feedback
on
on
any
of
this,
and
until
for
me
anyway,
until
they
come
back
with
some
some
better
reasons
why
security
is
an
issue?
I
certainly
can't
support
any
anything
like
this.
D
Okay,
well
with
that,
please
note:
this
is
a
negative
motion.
It's
a
denied!
So
when
you're
voting
in
favor,
you
are
denying
the
application,
which
is
the
opposite
from
what
we
usually
do
with
nobody
else
willing
wanting
to
speak.
Put
the
motion
on
the
floor
looking
for
a
mover
as
it
is
printed
Jennifer
Demeter
seconded
done.
E
E
E
So
this
property
is
a
National
Historic
Site
of
Canada.
It
was
registered
in
1961..
It
is
part
of
the
Market
Square
Heritage
Conservation
District,
a
rather
vital
part
of
the
square.
It
also
was
designated
in
1975,
probably
one
of
the
first
in
Ontario.
It
had
an
amendment
in
76
and
another
amendment
in
2010,
the
2010
Amendment
included
a
number
of
interior
features
which
I'll
speak
to
in
a
second.
E
The
attributes
are
plentiful,
as
you
can
imagine,
on
this
property.
Some
of
the
key
exterior
attributes
include
its
Monumental
scale,
symmetrical
plan
with
the
side,
wings
projecting
end
Pavilions
and
rear
wing
projecting
from
the
center
its
exterior
detailing,
including
the
Windows
Doors
and
symmetrical
arrangement,
the
rear
wing,
as
it
was
rebuilt
in
1865,
and
further
exterior
detailing,
including
string
course
pillisters
parapets
and
dental
course,
cornice
interior
features
include
the
plaster
work
throughout
the
wall,
surfacing
and
coverings
original
and
reconstructed,
woodwork,
doors
and
casings.
E
E
So
what
is
proposed
on
the
marketing
entrance
through
this
application
is
both
exterior
and
interior
interventions.
Now,
as
as
you're
aware
part,
five
designations
only
apply
to
exterior
attributes
of
the
property
well
part
4
designations
include
both
can
include
both
interior
and
exterior
attributes.
Approvals
for
exterior
processes
for
changes
to
attributes
that
are
designated
both
four
and
five
are
subject
to
the
part.
Five
process
proposed
changes
to
Interior
features
that
are
designated
part.
E
E
Operators
are
to
be
installed
in
the
interior
to
operate
the
exterior
doors
and
the
interior
door
under
so
that's
here,
you
can
see
some
of
the
work
to
the
vestibule
that
repairs
to
the
floor,
the
vestibule
doors
and
the
like,
with
either
respect
to
the
exterior
changes.
These
are
approved
or
reviewed
through
Section
42.5
they're,
looking
to
shorten
the
length
of
the
existing
exterior
door
by
approximately
15
centimeters
or
six
inches
to
to
allow
it
to
be
level
with
the
floor
and
to
install
mechanical
operating
operators.
E
For
the
doors
wall
mounted
power,
door,
operators
and
plates
on
the
exterior
face
of
the
building,
the
existing
grade,
which
I
think
you
can
see
better
here,
is
to
be
altered
to
provide
a
gentle
slope
up
to
the
new
sloped
axis
from
the
existing
grade
of
the
square.
Now
there
are
two
options
proposed.
E
Sorry
I
skipped
the
part
so
the
to
avoid
a
hazard
at
the
at
the
top
of
the
grade.
A
60
centimeter
Limestone
wall
is
proposed
and
capped
to
divide
the
new
slope.
Access
to
the
grade
of
the
square
and
two
options
for
its
cladding
are
proposed
option.
One
is
to
reclaim
the
Limestone
that
was
taken
from
the
recent
work
on
the
south
and
north
exterior
staircases
on
Ontario
street,
and
additional
limestone
is
needed
and
option.
Two
is
the
use
of
a
manufactured,
concrete
modular
block
product
in
a
weathered
gray
tone
that
closely
resembles
limestone.
E
Plans
were
provided
by
Roney
engineering
included
in
your
agenda
package
in
terms
of
our
review.
Kingston
City
Hall
is
a
considerable
cultural
here.
It
has
considerable
cultural
heritage
value
both
nationally
and
locally
and
is
a
key
part
of
the
Market
Square
District
staff
have
reviewed
the
application,
together
with
the
description
of
the
Heritage
value
in
the
designation
bylaws.
The
statement
of
value
in
the
HD
plan
and
the
national
significance
statement
of
commemoration
staff
and
members
of
this
committee
attended
the
site
in
August,
with
with
the
team
from
our
facilities
and
Mr
Roney.
E
The
original
Market
Wing,
which
once
extended
to
King
Street,
suffered
a
significant
fire
in
1865
and
was
rebuilt
into
a
lesser
scale
after
the
rebuilding
three
large
wooden
doors
were
originally
installed.
To
that
end,
those
current
doors
in
vestibule
and
flanking
sash
windows
were
added
in
1951
to
accommodate
the
Kingston
Police
Force,
who
used
the
space
until
1972.
E
the
rear,
entertain.
Market
ring,
of
course,
was
never
designed
to
accommodate
Mobility
assisted
devices
such
as
wheelchairs
sillies
facility,
staffs,
together
with
Roney
engineering
designed
a
gentle
slope,
not
a
ramp
into
the
existing
landscape
to
eliminate
the
11
inch
step.
Difference
from
the
building
down
to
the
grade
of
the
square,
the
existing
grade
will
be
altered
and
the
existing
paved
landscaping
stones
will
be
reused
where
possible,
to
create
a
gentle
slope
towards
the
north
and
south
of
the
from
the
entrance
to
the
square.
E
To
avoid
the
hazard
at
the
top
of
the
square,
the
60
centimeter
tall
stone
wall
is
to
direct
users
down
the
slope
would
be
installed.
The
short
wall
will
be
constructed
of
either
Salvage
Stone
from
the
recently
constructed
North
and
South
Wing
staircases
or,
alternatively,
a
canadian-made
concrete
modular
product.
Now,
while
staff
support
both
options,
our
preference,
of
course,
is
the
use
of
the
salvaged
Limestone
from
the
front
staircases.
E
The
use
of
limestone
is
both
an
effective
reuse
of
historic
material
that
originally
used
on
this
very
building
that
would
otherwise
be
kept
in
storage
and
as
the
iconic
Building
Material,
the
city
of
Kingston,
on
its
iconic
landmark
building.
The
existing
double
doors
the
interior,
will
need
to
be
shortened
to
bring
them
level.
The
interior,
vestibule
doors
are
proposed
to
be
removed
and
stored.
E
If,
however,
there
is
an
opportunity
to
retain
the
existing
vestibule
doors
in
situ,
perhaps
in
a
fixed,
open
position,
we
would
encourage
and
recommend
this
as
the
best
option.
The
rear
wing
entrance
of
of
City
Hall
is
one
of
the
most
visible
yet
seldom
used
features
of
this
National
Historic
Site.
Every
effort
should
be
made
to
welcome
all
people
into
this
iconic
building.
E
Environment
has
a
comment
about
the
management
of
excessive
soils
on
site
and
committee
reviewed.
This
application
comments
were
provided
and
summarized
in
your
agenda
and
there
were
no
significant
concerns,
noted
so
Mr
chair
just
to
quickly
remind
this
committee.
There
are
two
parts
to
this
motion.
E
D
D
L
Hello
thanks
for
your
question:
I'm
Katie,
Brennan
I'm
from
facilities
construction.
So
we
decided
to
remove
those
interior
doors
essentially
for
the
most
accessibility
possible.
We
didn't
want
the
propped
open
doors
to
stop
people
and
it's
also
easier
to
clean
the
area.
If
requested,
we
could
definitely
look
at
permanently
keeping
those
interior
doors
open.
We
just
thought
it
was
a
better
solution,
but
we're
open
to
your
suggestions.
K
Sounds
great
I
would
really
support
keeping
those
doors
even
if
they're
permanently
open,
because
they
are
part
of
the
fabric
right.
My
next
question
is
about
the
exterior
doors
and
I
guess:
I
have
a
concern
about
removing
a
portion
of
an
ex
Heritage
concern
about
removing,
especially
six
inches
seems
a
lot.
So
my
question
is
I,
guess
about
how,
when
you
take
a
piece
off
the
bottom
of
a
door,
it
affects
the
whole
proportions
of
the
door
and
I'm
just
concerned
about,
if
you've
thought
about
that
and
how
how
that
might
be
handled.
K
The
other
question
is
would,
from
a
carpentry
point
of
view,
would
you
consider
removing
and
saving
those
six
inches?
I
know
that
doesn't
sound
like
a
lot,
but
it
actually
is,
and
if
you
ever
wanted
to
put
it
back
the
way
it
was,
for
instance,
in
future.
If
that
wasn't
going
to
be
the
entrance
the
accessible
entrance,
then
you
could
actually
glue
them
back
on
because
you'd
have
the
pieces
that
really
fit.
So
it's
all
about
proportion.
K
M
M
It's
also
my
understanding
that
the
doors
were
refreshed
or
replaced
in
the
70s
and
again
yeah
and
and
it
we'd
actually
be
removing
a
piece
that
is
deteriorating
pretty
badly
at
the
moment,
but
proportionally
when
you
look
at
it
from
a
distance,
it
will
be
a
flush
line
with
the
grade
at
the
top
of
the
rim.
There
won't
be
any
Gap
or
anything
like
that.
H
If
I
could
just
add
to
that,
thank
you
and
I'm,
sorry,
I,
didn't
and
through
you
Mr
chair,
our
understanding
is
the
doors
were
first
replaced
in
1951,
and
then
there
may
have
been
subsequent
repairs
in
the
70s.
The
repairs
to
the
building
in
the
70s
are
not
as
well
documented
as
we
might
have
hoped
they
could
be.
H
So
you
know
the
opportunity
to
save
a
portion
of
that
door.
I
think
is
a
fair
consideration,
but
we
also
have
to
you
know,
understand
as
well.
The
doors
are
from
the
50s
themselves
and
I
would
just
also
add
to
that
I
know
when
the
file
came
in
and
we
were
having
discussions
about
proportions,
we
did
explore
other
ways
of
trying
to
trim
that
that
door
and
and
having
it
work
in
that
opening.
H
K
D
D
D
We're
ready
to
vote
I
believe
those
in
favor
of
the
motion.
As
per
sorry.
Oh
sorry,
I
need
a
mover
in
a
second
I.
Did
all
that
talking?
It
didn't
stop
move
my
Paul
Banfield
seconded
I
saw
Bridget's
hand
first.
Thank
you
very
much.
Councilor
Doherty,
so
moved
by
Paul
vanfield
seconded
by
Council
Dougherty
the
recommendation
as
printed
in
the
agenda.
Those
in
favor.
D
And
I
must
and
those
opposed-
and
we
are
not
hearing
anything
virtually
so
that
carries.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
Thank
you
for
I
was
going
to
comment.
We
should
take
three
inches
off
the
top
and
the
bottom,
but
that
then
puts
the
windows
out
of
line
with
this
the
side
panel,
so
that
doesn't
help
either.
N
N
N
So
the
property
at
7,
George
Street,
is
a
one
and
a
half
story,
vernacular
style
frame,
Heritage
building
that
is
visible
from
Highway
15
in
the
right
conditions
and
at
the
intersection
of
Wellington
and
George
Street.
Currently,
the
properties
in
the
process
of
renovating
their
garage
in
accordance
with
a
previous
apartment
approved
by
this
committee,.
N
So
the
property
has
the
following
relevant
attributes
related
to
this
application.
It
is
constructed
by
local,
Builders,
William
and
Frederick
Allen
in
a
vernacular
style.
The
main
building
has
a
cross
gable,
roof
two
Bay
facade
and
narrow,
horizontal
cladding
and
the
property
is
located
close
to
the
street
and
is
oriented
towards
George.
Street
importantly,
the
garage
has
no
identified
Heritage
value
at
this
time.
N
So,
as
we
can
see
in
the
image
here
on
the
slide,
we
have
the
initial
proposal,
which
was
actually
submitted
with
this
application,
which
is
the
ultra
Vic
style.
And
then
we
have
the
Regency
Style
on
the
right
which
I'll
discuss
in
just
a
moment.
So
the
applicant
seeks
to
replace
the
existing
asphalt
roof
on
the
detached
garage
and
principal
building
with
exposed,
Fastener
Metals
Roofing
from
the
ultra
Vic
Levick
West
line
and
the
gray
and
charcoal
color.
N
However,
since
the
report's
finalization,
the
applicant
is
also
approached
a
different
and
arguably
more
sympathetic,
metal,
roofing
system,
which
is
shown
on
the
right,
also
known
over
there
as
the
newly
proposed.
Actually
it's
on
the
left,
which
is
an
option
that
is
closer
to
a
traditional
standing,
seam
metal
roof
than
the
original
roofing
material
initially
proposed.
It
is
expected
that
the
garage
will
be
roofed
first,
but
once
the
shingles
are
in
need
of
repair
on
the
main
building,
which
is
estimated
to
be
in
a
few
years.
N
N
So
staff
considers
the
Regency
line
proposed
to
be
by
the
applicant
to
be
a
suitable
candidate
under
condition.
5
of
this
approval,
which
is
minor,
deviations
and
further
staff,
will
be
provided
with
the
roofing
caller
for
the
final
approval
and
the
garage
roof
along
with
the
main
house
to
confirm
they
both
have
the
same
style,
color
and
material
for
consistency
between
both
buildings.
Thank
you.
D
G
I
was
just
wondering
why
the
same
color
for
both
I
think
that,
depending
on
the
color
palette
of
if
they
were
different,
I
mean
I
understand
if
they're,
both
the
garage
and
the
house
are
the
same.
Color
palette
have
the
same,
but
I
think
that
you
can
have
different
colors,
so
I
guess
I
would
just
wonder
about
taking
that
out
or
whether
it
was
necessary.
I
do
agree
with
the
same
the
same
style
and
material,
but
anyway.
N
Do
you
Mr
chair?
That
is
a
good
point
and
there's
nothing
necessarily
that
directly
states
that
that
can't
be
accomplished
in
the
district
plan.
However,
when
I
was
looking
over
the
new
construction
policies,
which
is
this
is
not
new
construction
by
the
way,
but
when
it
is
noted,
it
makes
a
point
that
garages
shall
be
made
of
like
or
complementary
material
of
the
principal
structure
material,
of
course
not
color,
but
the
idea
being
that
there's
a
clear
want
for
consistency
between
accessory
buildings
and
the
main
building
on
the
property.
N
D
O
Great
for
for
taking
my
comments,
so
yes,
we,
we
are
the
applicants.
We
are
the
owners
of
seven
George
Street,
both
myself
Gerhard
Pratt
and
my
wife
are
here.
I
just
wanted
to
add
a
couple
of
comments.
First
of
all,
thank
you
very
much.
The
Heritage
Services
have
been
very
helpful
in
this
application.
O
Repainting
with
linseed
oil
paint
and
the
studio
will
also
the
studio
that
we're
constructing
will
benefit
from
the
same
treatment
and
given
the
the
attention
where
we
paid
to
the
exterior
finish,
it
seemed
appropriate
to
consider
the
rather
unpleasant
non-heritage
asphalt,
shingles
as
well,
and
both
for
the
studio
under
construction
and
and
for
the
main
house.
So
when
we
made
the
application,
we
proposed
the
cheapest
option
and
two
committee
members
made
comments
along
the
lines
that
the
span
between
the
ribs
it
would.
O
It
would
be
more
in
keeping
with
Heritage
versions
of
the
roof.
If
the
the
span
were
larger
and
and
so
so
to
speak,
flatter,
and
so
we
we
did
consider
that
and
that's
why
we
kind
of
proposed
a
new
system,
the
Regency
system,
which
is
a
little
bit
flatter
in
that
sense,
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
an
idea
that
this
is
going
to
be
an
expensive
proposition
compared
with
our
original
estimate
of
about
four
and
a
half
thousand
dollars
for
the
two
roofs.
O
It's
going
to
go
up
to
about
eight
thousand
dollars
and
the
next
line
above
this,
which
is
indeed
flatter,
still,
is
much
more
expensive
and
it
would
bring
us
up
to
about
thirteen
and
a
half
thousand
dollars
just
for
materials.
So
we're
going
to
bulk
I.
Think
if
we're.
If
we
get
told
we
have
to
do
that
and
case,
we
would
be
left
with
the
with
the
original
asphalt
roof
proposal,
which
would
be
unfortunate.
So
I
just
want
to
say
that,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
considering
our
proposal.
I
You
know
so
I'm
pleased
with
the
change
in
the
proposed
Roofing.
I
certainly
think
it's
an
improvement,
but
still
a
little
would
have
preferred
a
roof
paneling
that
is
absolutely
flat
between
the
seams
and
I
was
a
little
puzzled
that
when
I
looked
on
the
manufacturer's
website,
I
didn't
see
that
option
so
I,
don't
know
whether
it's
not
there
or
not,
but
this
is
sort
of
a
question
first
for
staff.
I
noticed
the
excuse
me.
I
N
Philip,
do
you
Mr
chair?
That's
certainly
some
information.
We
can
definitely
connect
with
with
the
applicant
here,
because,
depending
on
the
situation,
we
do
have
some
flexibility
built
into
this
proposal
and
that
potentially,
that
could
be
something
considered,
of
course,
costs
as
a
major
concern
for
the
applicant,
but
it's
definitely
something
we
can
connect
them
with
to
let
them
know
it's
certainly
an
option.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
that
to
our
attention
there
Don.
Thank
you.
G
I
just
wanted
to
thank
the
applicants
and
really
I
think
it's
commendable,
that
you
guys
reuse
the
wood
siding
and
especially
with
the
linseed
oil
paint.
That's
really
in
keeping
with
sort
of
Heritage
restoration,
I'm
completely
fine
with
the
Regency
profiling
I,
actually,
as
an
architect,
usually
step
back
a
hidden,
Fastener
roofing
system
versus
something
with
exposed,
because
it's
better
protects
the
sort
of
penetrations
that
you're
putting
through
so
in
terms
of
spending.
G
D
D
And
seeing
none
ask
you
to
vote
those
in
favor
and
those
opposed,
and
that
carries
always
have
these
delays
to
see
what's
going
to
happen
on
the
screens
here.
So
thank
you
Philip
for
for
that.
Thank
you.
Applicants
for
being
with
us
and
I
believe
Philip.
We
stay
with
you
and
go
on
to
32
baggot
Street.
N
Through
you,
Mr
chairman,
hello,
again
everyone,
so
this
is
an
alteration
proposal
for
32
baggage
Street,
which
is
meant
to
support
a
baseball
tournament
that
is
occurring
in
2024
before
I
begin.
I
want
to
quickly
go
over
the
timeline
for
the
works
that
are
proposed
for
this
alteration
here,
so
in
Fall
2022,
so
just
upcoming
right
around
now,
Parks
and
Recreation
is
going
to
be
releasing
the
tender
to
find
a
contractor
to
do
these
works
as
described
in
2023-2024.
N
N
Importantly,
the
2022-2023
timeline
is
just
their
best
guess
at
this
moment,
because
they
still
are
trying
to
find
the
appropriate
contractor
and
it
is
assumed
that
they
want
to
have
grass
to
be
grown
when
actually
fencing
off
the
area,
which
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
it
will
remain
fenced
off
until
the
tournament
in
August
2024
and
as
we'll
mention
further,
as
I'll
mention
on
the
proposal
in
the
presentation
here
that
a
lot
of
the
works
that
are
going
to
be
proposed
are
temporary
in
nature.
Just
to
support
the
tournament
will
be
removed
soon.
N
N
N
So
the
cultural
attributes
most
relevant
to
this
application
include
in
1852.
This
park
was
converted,
or
this
area
was
converted
into
a
public
park
at
the
requested
John
counter
in
1853.
The
site
of
the
courthouse
was
created
with
this
location
on
the
hill,
which
overlooks
and
continues
to
overlook
the
open
land
area
that
is
including
the
cricket
field
and
by
1873.
The
area
between
court
and
baggage
Street
were
used
for
organized
baseball
games
and
a
fundamental
Heritage
importance.
Is
this
continued
use
as
a
public
park
since
1852.
N
So
first
I'm
going
to
go
over
the
how
the
field
is
changing
and
in
subsequent
slides
I
will
discuss
some
of
the
structures
that
are
being
proposed.
So
the
proposal
seeks
to
do
the
following
alterations
to
the
field
related
to
the
baseball
diamond,
so
they're
going
to
relocate
the
baseball
diamond,
approximately
30
meters,
South
Southwest.
My
apologies
grade
the
baseball
diamond
in
the
Outfield
install
an
asphalt,
pave
asphalt,
Pathway
to
connect
the
diamond
to
the
existing
page
pathway
and
sidewalk
at
Agate.
N
N
So
now
we're
going
to
be
discussing
the
structures
necessary
to
support
the
renovated
baseball
diamond
importantly,
the
existing
fencing
and
other
structures
are
related
to
this.
Existing
Diamond
will
be
removed.
The
Proposal
seeks
to
replace
the
existing
backstop
with
a
new
backstop
which
will
have
galvanized
posts
and
chain
link.
Fencing,
install
two
foul
posts.
N
Each
bleacher
will
have
approximately
30
percent
capacity
in
each
one
further.
They
will
install
a
galvanized
chain
link
fence
around
the
infield
at
approximately
1.8
meters
tall
and
finally,
they
will
install
a
temporary
tournament,
fencing
and
Gates
and
galvanized
steel
around
the
Outfield
at
approximately
1.2
meters,
tall,
to
which
the
Outfield
portion
will
be
removed.
Post
tournament.
N
The
future
grading
plan
should
not
impact
the
hilly
topography
that
helps
establish
the
Frontenac
courthouse's
dominance
over
the
field,
and
the
proposed
renovations
to
the
baseball
diamond
could
have
limited
view
impacts
due
to
the
installation
of
additional
fencing
backstop
in
Galvin
I
still
talked
with
colored
piping.
However,
this
is
very
similar
to
what
is
existing
currently
and
the
bench
covering
and
Dugout
will
also
have
to
do,
have
to
have
careful
consideration
with
staff
input,
which
is
a
condition
of
approval.
N
The
baseball
diamond
upgrade
supports
the
concept
of
a
public
park
with
its
related
recreational
uses,
which
is
a
traditional
practice.
Slash
use
from
1852
and
in
the
70s
for
baseball
specifically
and
is
pro
it
is
a
proposed
update,
will
reinforce
that
Park's.
History
is
an
area
for
active
Recreation,
active
youth
recreation
for
years
to
come.
Thank
you.
D
D
D
E
E
As
you
know,
section
29
of
the
Heritage
act
allows
Council
to
enact
bylaws
to
designate
real
property,
including
all
the
buildings
and
structures
they're
on
to
be
a
call
to
Heritage
value
or
interest,
and
council
is
required
before
giving
notice
of
its
intention
to
designate
to
consult
with
the
Heritage
committee.
You
guys
so
just
to
quickly
walk
you
through
the
new
appeal
process.
This
is
the
a
seriously
condensed
and
super
simple
version
of
the
elaborate
spreadsheet
that
the
province
has
given
us,
but
this
is
the
best
case
scenario
and
I.
E
Just
I
just
want
to
walk
through,
because
it
is
a
little
strange,
but
but
just
so
we're
all
on
the
same
page.
So
we
did
speak
to
this
a
little
further
in
2021
when
the
new
heritage
heritage
Act
was
updated.
So
the
details
are
in
that
report.
If
you,
if
you're
interested
but
just
quickly,
there
is
a
new
two-tier
appeal
process
for
designations.
E
So
following
consultation
with
the
Heritage
committee
today,
Council
can
choose
to
serve
a
notice
of
intention
to
designate
the
property
under
Section
29
of
the
act
on
to
the
property
owners
and
the
Ontario
Heritage
Trust.
A
news.
An
ad
is
also
published
in
the
newspaper
within
30
days.
So
after
that's
published,
the
public
have
30
days
to
issue
a
notice
of
objection
to
the
city
clerk's
office.
That
notice
of
objection,
if
received,
will
be
sent
to
city
council
for
consideration.
Council
has
90
days
to
decide
how
it
wished
per
to
handle
that
objection.
E
They
can
either
issue
a
notice
of
passing
and
and
give
final
rating
to
the
designation
bylaws
by
law,
or
they
can
issue
a
notice
of
withdrawal
of
the
of
their
intention
to
designate
the
decision
if
they
are
to
proceed
with
the
notice
of
passing.
It
then
triggers
the
second
appeal
period
process
and
that
anyone
can
would
regardless
if
there
was
an
objection
or
not,
can
then
appeal
within
30
days
of
that
notice
to
the
Ontario
land
Tribunal.
E
So
that's
the
process
in
general
and
just
quickly
as
a
reminder
as
well
when
we're
looking
at
new
designations
designation,
the
properties
that
are
being
considered
must
meet
one
or
more
of
the
criteria
for
determining
culture,
Heritage
value,
which
is
found
in
Ontario
regulation.
Nine,
zero,
six
at
the
end
of
The
Heritage
act.
The
criteria
include
the
broad
categories,
are
design
or
physical
value
and
those
are
if
the
property
is
a
rare,
unique
or
representative
or
early
example
of
a
style,
type,
expression,
material
or
construction
method.
E
And
finally,
contextual
value
is
if
the
property
is
important
in
defining,
maintaining
or
supporting
the
character
of
an
area,
is
a
physical,
physically,
functionally
visually
or
historically
linked
to
its
surroundings,
or
is
a
landmark.
So
those
are
what
we
would
assess
these
properties
on.
So
we'll
get
to
the
fun
part
here.
The
properties
that
were
have
before
us
are
six
and
and
the
first
one
here
is
the
Robert
Rose
Farmstead
at
3448,
creekford
Road.
It's
on
this
north
side
of
creekford
road,
just
east
of
Westbrook
Road.
E
E
This
property,
you
may
recognize.
Surprisingly,
it
is
not
in
the
old
synonym
District.
It
is
right
across
the
street
from
the
central
branch
of
the
library,
the
old
Bishop's
house,
which
is
in
the
district,
but
this
property
is
on
the
corner
of
Johnson
and
bag.
It
it's
the
Mahood
house
at
131,
Johnson
North,
that's
on
the
north
side.
E
E
This
is
3536
princess
the
Leonard
Carriage
shop
in
Westbrook.
It's
on
the
north
side
of
the
street.
Its
value
is
in
its
as
unusual
example
of
a
mid-19th
century:
two-story
Limestone,
building
with
mansard
roof
and
Dormers.
The
Leonard
Carriage
shop
is
historic,
associate
associated
with
Nathaniel
Leonard,
a
local
Carriage
maker
and
contractor
who
built
the
house
and
operate
his
business
from
it.
E
The
property
is
important
to
maintaining
the
historic
character
and
integrity
of
Westbrook,
and
that's
just
down
the
street
from
it
is
the
Marshall
Farmhouse
3606
princess
also
on
the
north
side
of
the
street
in
Westbrook.
It
is
an
excellent
example
of
a
mid-19th
century.
Ontario
vernacular
Limestone
Farmhouse,
the
Marshall
Farmhouse
is
associated
with
William
Marshall,
who
is
the
local
justice
of
the
peace
and
a
key
member
of
the
community.
E
It
has
culture
Heritage
value
as
a
good
example
of
a
mid-19th
century,
Ontario
vernacular
Stone
Farmhouse.
The
attributes
include
the
one
and
a
half
story,
Farmhouse
with
Central
entrance
and
regular
Administration,
but
not
the
modern
School.
Addition
to
this
building
the
property
is
important
to
maintaining
the
historic
World
character
of
Woodbine
Road,
which
is
largely
lost
in
this
area.
E
E
Ontario
vernacular
frame
Farmhouse,
the
grass
Farmhouse
is
associated
with
the
grass
family,
who
are
in
early
United
Empire
loyalist
settling
family
in
Kingston
Township,
who,
who
built
the
house
farmed
the
land
for
many
years
before,
moving
to
a
newer,
grinder,
Stone
House,
which
is
designated
under
part
four
across
the
street
south
of
this
property,
the
property.
So
this
is
their
humble
beginnings.
The
property
is
important
to
maintaining
the
historic
character
of
the
streetscape.
Now
the
full
bylaws
are
in
attached
to
your
our
report.
Toss
your
agendas
as
a
number
of
exhibits.
E
B
through
h,
the
Heritage
Property
working
groups
have
reviewed
these
draft
bylaws
and
Associated
consultant
reports
that
does
and
and
support
the
designation,
Property
Owners,
of
course,
are
not
required
to
support
these
designations.
However,
with
the
exception
of
the
owner
of
the
Leonard
Carriage
shop,
all
owners
have
confirmed
receipt
of
the
letters
and
provided
feedback
which
we
have
considered
and
and
draw
in
our
drafting
of
the
bylaws
The
Carriage
shop,
despite
multiple
attempts
of
mailing
tracking
down
owners
and
and
even
to
the
to
banging
on
the
door,
we've
been
unable
to
make
connection
with
them.
E
However,
staff
recommend
proceeding
at
this
point
with
the
designation
and
serving
the
notice
of
tension
to
designate
these
properties
exhibit
a
and
our
report
is
the
notice
of
intention
to
designate
it's
the
the
ad
that
goes
in
the
newspaper.
It's
also
the
letter
that
goes
to
the
the
owners
and
the
trust,
and
it
is
our
recommendation
that
the
notice
be
served
by
the
clerk
and
under
Section
29
and
should
no
objection
be
received,
that
that
Council
approved
the
designation
bylaws
and
we
serve
a
notice
of
passing.
So
this
is
our
so.
E
G
Microphone
sorry
much
better
I
was
just
wondering
about
the
creekford
road
project.
I
noticed
all
the
other
ones
had
a
sort
of
associated
history
to
it,
whether
it's
a
person
or
such
it
seems
or
use,
whereas
the
creek
bird
one
just
seems
to
have
that
a
good
example
of
of
the
vernacular
Stone
out.
So
I
guess
I
was
wondering
why
that
one
got
designated
just
general
questions.
E
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
before
I
I
dig
out
the
specific
little
write-up
on
that
creekford
road
property,
which
I
think
is
the
Robert
Rose
house.
The
designation
is
only
as
good
as
the
research
I'm
afraid
and
the
research
is
only
as
good
as
the
information
that's
available.
These
rural
properties
are
a
little
more
challenging
to
dig
up
history
on,
and
this
one
was
one
that
the
consultant
our
consultant
reviewed
a
number
of
years
ago
and,
and
there
was
not
I,
don't
believe
a
great
deal
of
associative
value
found.
E
So
so
that's
why
it's
lacking
in
that
in
that
area,
but
the
Heritage
Act
only
requires
one
of
those
three
main
categories
to
be
met,
and
this
one
meets
at
least
two
of
them,
so
it
wasn't
included
because
it
wasn't
available
I
guess
essentially,
this
one
is
an
interesting
Farmhouse.
It
was
built
in
the
mid
19th
century.
So
in
the
1800s
it
is
a
you
know.
It
is
a
limestone
Farmhouse
with
an
interesting
Barn
behind
it.
I
I
have
a
concern
about
in
all
five
of
the
six
properties,
there's
a
reference
to
non-heritage,
sorry
attributes
and
that
they
include
the
all
the
interior
features.
This
is
something
new
we
haven't
seen
this
before.
The
working
group
has
not
had
a
chance
to
consider
this
and
I
I
think
it
does
need
some
discussion.
D
F
F
You
know
we're
we're
fairly
hard
on
I
I,
think
I
I'll
say
it
would
be
pretty
rigid
on
people
who
who
people
or
owners
who
you
know
are
are
have
the
privilege
of
having
Heritage
properties.
But
now
we
are
taking
on
something
that
is
already
accomplished
what
they're
you
know
to
make
the
houses
livable.
So
how
do
we
manage
that?
As
you
know
here
just
you
know,
you
know
are
just
curious
about
that
is
that
where
Don
was
going
as
well.
E
Can
speak
to
that
Mr,
chair
and
through
you,
we
have
to
treat
these
on
a
on
a
go
forward
basis.
Yes,
these
properties
have
existed
for
a
hundred
some
years
and
there's
been
multiple
changes
to
multiple
features
and
and
parts
of
the
building.
I
think
that
all
goes
into
our
analysis
of
these
properties
if
they
still
contain
enough
Heritage
value
to
to
to
protect
them
to
conserve
them
through
this,
this
tool
and
Heritage
act.
D
So
Ryan
just
to
make
that
clear.
If
we
look
at
page
121
at
the
end
of
the
scheduling
on
the
Robert
rolls
Farmstead,
you
have
a
elements
that
do
not
contribute
and
what
you've
listed
there
are,
as
councilor
Houston
says,
improvements,
modern
improvements,
etc,
etc,
which
you
are
not
considering
as
part
of
a
Heritage
attribute.
E
The
rounded
Concrete
Front
Porch,
which
looks
to
be
a
1950s
add-on,
which
you
know
honestly,
is
rather
inappropriate
but
again
not
an
attribute
and
then
the
pool
and
fence.
So
that
future
me
future
us
when
we're
reviewing
these
for
our
need
for
our
heritage
approval.
If
the
owners
want
to
make
changes
to
those
pools
and
fence,
we
can
clearly
say
those
aren't
attributes.
E
But
if
those
changes
have
the
ability
to
impact
I
guess
the
wording
in
the
ACT
is
is
likely
to
affect
is
what
what
the
the
Heritage
act
says.
Then
we
have
the
ability
to
come
back
with
the
Heritage
approval,
the
need
for
Heritage
approval,
so
it
helps
it
just
helps
the
owners
for
one
thing,
because
the
owners,
one
of
the
first
questions
I
get
from
most
these
owners
is
what
what
changes
are,
can
I
do
without
needing
prior
approval
or
or
I
just
added
this
feature
to
my
building.
E
D
I
Well,
certainly,
I'm
very
pleased
that
these
designations
are
coming
forward
and
they're
they're,
all
very
worthwhile
properties
that
should
be
protected.
I
also
appreciate
that
Ryan
has
done
a
lot
of
work.
Persuading
owners
to
accept
designation
and
I
also
understand
that
the
recent
changes
in
in
the
Ontario
Heritage
act
have
required
some
changes
and
changes.
I
In
the
reasons
for
designation-
and
you
know,
the
working
group
hasn't
met
for
quite
a
long
period,
we're
meeting
tomorrow
as
a
matter
of
fact,
but
certainly
I'm
I'm
as
a
member
of
that
working
group,
I'm,
okay,
with
some
of
the
changes
that
rather
minor
changes
and
one
of
the
changes
is
a
list
of
that
we
haven't
seen
before-
is
a
list
of
features
that
are
not
Heritage,
attributes
and
I.
Think
that's
useful
I
don't
have
any
problem
with
that.
I
I
I
Would
be
good
if
the
city
and
the
committee
can
encourage
the
protection
of
interior
attributes
as
well.
So
my
concern
is
that
putting
into
this
list
of
attributes
with
no
Heritage
value,
the
interior
attributes
is
really
sending
the
wrong
signal
to
owners
and
to
the
community.
It's
basically
saying
that
we
don't
care
what
you
do
with
the
interior
attributes
they're
not
important,
but
they
are
important
and
and
I
think
it's
wrong
to
send
send
that
kind
of
message.
I
It's
also
unnecessary,
because,
if
the
in,
if
the
desert,
if
the
designation
bylaw
doesn't
mention
the
interior
features,
they
have
no
protection,
the
owner
can
do
what
they
like,
but
so
there's
no
need
to
include
a
specific
statement
that
the
interior
attributes
are
not
Heritage
attributes
so
I'm
going
to
move
an
amendment
which
I've
given
to
Elizabeth
I,
don't
know
whether
she
can
put
it
up
now
or
I'll.
Just
read
it
if
you
like.
I
D
D
D
P
Oh
okay,
thank
you.
Yes,
my
name
is
John
S
Ford
I
live
at
1332,
Woodbine
Road,
the
Daniel
egrass
house.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
and
thank
you
to
the
committee,
the
volunteers
and
city
employees
for
your
work.
Preserving
Kingston's,
Heritage
and
I've
dealt
directly
with
Ryan,
who
has
been
very
good
to
work
with
just
wanted
to
go
on
record
that
we've
been
requested
three
times
to
have
our
home
designated
and
three
times.
We've
declined
this.
P
We
we
enter
this
very
hesitantly
and
with
reservation
and
upon
just
witnessing
an
earlier
application
for
somebody
to
do
their
Roofing
at
7,
George
Street,
and
that
their
costs
have
gone
from
three
and
a
half
thousand
dollars
to
thirteen
thousand
dollars.
Potentially
This
concerns
us
and
and
the
burden
that
we
are
about
to
take
on
with
this.
P
D
D
Q
D
D
D
With
the
the
rules
that
then
follow
about
objections
Etc,
so
that
is
the
motion
that
we
need
to
have
on
the
on
the
floor.
A
question
though,
before
we
do,
that
is
that
Don's
motion
does
not
do
anything
to
that
motion.
Does
it
because
what
he
is
concerned
with?
Is
this
other
schedules?
The
schedules
are
part
of
that
motion.
C
D
And
that
includes
amending
the
schedules
which
are
part
of
the
motion,
okay,
good.
So
where
that
our
motion
then,
which
includes
all
six
and
has
the
schedules
attached
to
it.
Looking
for
a
mover
to
put
that
on
the
floor,
move
by
Don
and
a
seconder
by
Jennifer.
Thank
you
very
much
those.
So
we
don't
need
anything
to
Vault.
Yet
now
any
discussion
on
that
long
motion,
councilor
ustaf,.
F
I
would
be
nervous
if
I
was
an
owner
now
too
I
think
Mr
Ashford
has
a
free
right
to
be
nervous.
If
we're
going
to
I
think
we
do
our
jobs
well,
with
the
exterior.
It
says,
elements
that
do
not
contribute
to
the
party's
cultural
heritage
value
include.
It's
all
interior
features,
wooden
fence
and
detached
accessory
buildings.
F
We
have
to
recognize
that
these
buildings
are
maybe
late
to
the
game
as
far
as
designation
status,
and
why
would
we
now
choose
to
increase
the
scope
of
our
oversight
and
Regulatory
supervision
and
whatever
I
don't
I,
don't
understand
that
and
I
would
have
to
hear
it
again
to
for
the
rationale
before
I
would
just
caution
us
that
we're
just
going
to
go
down
a
you
know.
A
road
of
bumps
and
bruises
here
is
I
I
feel
very
uncomfortable.
Expanding
our
scope
creep.
D
E
Yes,
Mr
chair,
the
the
Motions
are
our
standard
wording
that,
but
the
confusion
I
think
is,
is
that
the
first
part
of
the
motion
is
the
serving
of
the
notice
and
tension.
The
second
part
of
the
motion
is
asking
counselor
to
approve
the
designation
after
the
notice
of
attention
has
proceeded
through
its
its
channels
and
to
do
that,
we
reference
the
bylaw
that
they
are
then
to
pass,
which
is
the
schedules
that
I
think
member
Taylor
wants
to
amend.
H
D
C
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair
and
through
you.
So
what
we
are
discussing
here
is
as
Mr
Leary
had
mentioned.
There
are
a
number
of
recommendations
and
a
number
of
exhibits.
There
are
two
exhibits
associated
with
each
file
or
each
address
that
we're
discussing
today,
so
the
first
is
going
to
be
the
notice
that
goes
from
the
clerk.
Once
Council
has
made
its
decision
on
the
matter,
then
there
is
also
a
bylaw
that
would
be
passed
by
Council
that
would
formally
designate
that
property.
The
schedules
that
are
being
discussed
are
schedules
to
the
bylaw.
C
C
We
have
not
yet
placed
Mr
Taylor's
Amendment
on
the
floor,
which
was
specific
to
the
schedules
so
councilor
oosterhoff.
We
could
just
get
clarification
on
the
scope
that
you're
discussing
were
you
speaking
directly
to
what
Mr
Taylor
had
previously
mentioned
about
the
inclusion
of
all
all
interior
attributes,
or
were
you
asking
more
generally.
F
Just
just
in
reference
to
Mr
Taylor's
context,
if
I
understood
it
and
and
and
so
I
think,
I
haven't
really
read
his
full
Amendment
but
I.
Think
if
he's
relating
to
non-cultural
Heritage
attributes
of
this
particular
schedule
says
we
that
the
designation
does
not
cover
interior
features,
wooden
fences
and
detached
accessory
buildings.
Is
that
not
correct.
F
F
R
R
D
D
I
Oh
well,
I
spoke
at
some
length
to
it,
although
I
think
I
need
to
do
is
just
add.
Well
I'm
a
little
bit
confused
by
some
of
the
comments,
but
perhaps
I
can
reassure.
Counselor
also
have
that
my
amendment
has
no
effect
on
what
is
protected
and
what
is
not
protected.
The
interior
features
are
not
protected,
adding
including
the
phrase
all
the
interior
features
under
the
listing
of
non-heritage
attributes
is
simply
making
a
statement.
I
F
B
Thank
you
and
through
you,
Mr,
chair,
well,
I
appreciate
the
clarification
because
I
had
the
same
question,
but
it's
a
complicated
question
because
I
have
an
example
of
a
beautiful
house
that
was
never
designated
not
far
from
here,
where
the
inside
was
totally
stripped
of
all
Heritage
value
and
I.
Think
it's
the
saddest
thing
ever
so.
B
I
can
definitely
support
it,
because
we
need
to
speak
to
the
value
of
the
Heritage
value
of
internal,
the
interior
of
a
property
as
well.
But
so
I
guess
it's
a
question
to
staff.
Is
why
don't
we
ever
like
the
the
pro
the
house
that
I'm
specific
house
that
I'm
thinking
about
somebody
even
took
the
the
banister
out
the
beautiful
wooden
banister
that
this
lovely
house
once
had
and
and
used
it
in
another
building
that
they
owned
and
literally
stripped
all
the
beautiful
Heritage
value
of
the
inter
interior?
H
H
Interior
attributes
are
a
difficult
thing
when
we
do
a
part
for
designation,
we
do
see
them
in
a
limited
number
of
cases,
and
that's
usually
when
the
interior
aspect
or
attribute
feature
is
understood
and
previously
identified.
As
you
know,
a
very
important
representative
example
that
does
offer
a
contribution
to
the
local
Heritage
inventory
that,
if
lost,
would
be
a
loss
of
really
a
unique
example.
We
do
not
have
the
opportunity
to
require
of
property
owners
to
allow
us
to
enter
their
private
residences
to
assess
interior
attributes.
That
is
one
challenge.
H
That's
not
spoken
to
in
the
ACT.
It's
just
the
reality
of
how
you
know
properties
are
assessed.
We
certainly
have
and
can
see
when
Property
Owners
do
come
forward.
Some
might
suggest
you
know.
I
have
a
beautiful,
fireplace
and
I
would
like
to
have
that
added
to
the
attribute
list,
and
there
is
an
opportunity
where
staff
have
an
opportunity
to
then
put
that
in
the
designation
by
law.
H
So
you
know
importantly,
here
is
the
balance
between
what
remains
within
the
public,
good
and
accessible
for
appreciation
and
understanding
of
the
character
of
an
area
and
of
the
city
and
interior
attributes.
I
think
this
is
one
of
the
many
reasons
why
we
don't
often
see
them
on
private
residences,
particularly
when
the
public
will
not
experience
those
spaces.
It
can
and
often
is
perceived
by
Property
Owners
as
undue
hardship
for
them
to
maintain
those
attributes.
H
B
E
B
Foreign
Taylor's
Amendment
just
want
to
hear
from
staff
I
understand
it
doesn't
give
the
Heritage
committee,
you
know
anymore,
say
internal
attributes,
but
will
it
be
helpful
to
I
can
see
right
now?
It's
the
way.
Mr
Taylor
explains
more
of
an
Optics,
but
is
there
also
another
Advantage
like?
Could
the
interior
be
just
be
at
least
somewhat
discussed
during
heritage
deliberations.
H
The
reason
why
staff
initially
considered,
including
this
all
interior
features
comment,
is
to
assure
the
property
owners
that
their
interior
features
were
not
included
in
the
attributes
list.
This
is
really
about
assuring
them
that
they
can
make
alterations
to
their
interior
and
hopefully
the
ones
that
they
would
make
would
consider
those
Heritage
components,
but
that
it
would
not
require
a
permit
approval
through
the
designation
by
law.
That
being
said,
I'm
you
know,
staff
and
myself
and
Ryan
have
had
some
discussion
about
this.
H
So
we're
certainly
aware
of
what
we
think
Mr
Taylor
is
trying
to
bring
forward
here
at
the
end
of
the
day.
I,
don't
think
it
changes
very
much
about
how
the
properties
will
be
considered
and
any
future
opportunity
to
designate
or
add
an
attribute
from
the
Interior
Space
would
require
an
amendment
to
the
bylaw
and
would
come
back
through
committee
and
then
to
counsel
for
consideration
anyway.
So
this
doesn't
really
change
anything
about
the
future
approval,
but
we
do
appreciate
what
Mr
Taylor
is
trying
to
do
with
the
messaging.
H
K
Yes,
I
seconded
this
amendment
because
I
think
it's
the
messaging,
it's
not
about
doing
having
any
circumspection
over
the
interior
of
anyone's
property,
but
it's
the
way
it's
worded.
It's
not
a
Heritage
attribute
and
I.
Don't
have
the
wording
in
front
of
me
either,
but
I
think
we
have
to
be
careful
about
giving
the
wrong
message
that
you
don't
that
you
shouldn't
value.
It's
there's
no
Heritage
value
to
your
interior
because
there
is,
but
that's
up
to
you.
G
Yeah
I
I,
like
as
a
designer
I,
appreciate
and
I'm
sure
homeowner
appreciate
having
all
interior
features,
just
specifically
said.
Oh
sorry,
as
a
designer
as
an
architect,
I
appreciate
having
all
interior
features
set
out
as
it
being
very
clear,
like
what
is
isn't
included
in
the
designation.
I
think
it's
the
wording,
non-cultural
Heritage
attributes,
maybe
something
instead
just
for
further
like
at
another
time
like
not
included
in
designation
or
something
that,
like
basically
just
doesn't
say,
yeah,
that
it
has
no
Heritage
value.
But.
D
So
the
main
motion
starts
on
Page,
Six
notice
of
intention
to
designate
under
the
entire
Heritage
Act.
It
recommends
that
we
recommend
a
council
that
those
five
six
I
forgot
the
number
six
five
one,
two
three
four
five
six
properties
B
the
process
start
to
to
designate,
and
it
includes
schedules
which
give
you
reasons
for
that
designation
discussion
on
that.
Do
we
have
that
moved?
Yet?
Yes,
we
do
discussion
on
the
motion
to
start
the
designation
forward.
Yes,.
J
Two
and
I
understand
you
can
still
move
forward,
but
down
the
line.
Could
this
be
a
problem?
I
mean
if
someone
suddenly
does
come
forward
and
you
know
I,
don't
know
what
they
would
say,
but
people
being
people
and
I'm
sure
they'll
say
something,
and
you
know
what
what
sort
of
issues
might
might
arise
as
as
far
as
you
know,
you've
gone
through
the
process
from
your
end
as
you
should,
but
could
there
be
roadblocks
down
the.
E
So,
unfortunately,
we
weren't
able
to
connect
with
the
owner
at
this
particular
property
owners
or
correspondents.
We
sent
them,
we
know
they
got,
they
were
done
by
registered
mail
in
some
cases,
so
they
never
came
back.
None
of
the
letters
have
been
bounced
back
to
us,
so
we
know
they
are
aware
of
it
and
somehow
and
some
shoes
just
not
to
be
a
party
to
it.
D
I
Just
I
feel
like
I,
should
make
a
comment
which
is
partly
in
reply
to
one
of
the
owners.
I'm
afraid
I
didn't
catch
his
name.
There
are
certainly
a
misconception
at
least
a
feeling
among
owners
that
being
having
your
property
designated
means.
Things
are
going
to
get
much
more
expensive.
Repairs
are
going
to
be
much
more
expensive,
and
that
is
sometimes
true,
but
it's
not
necessarily
true
at
all.
Quite
often
the
committee
members
say
no,
you
don't
have
to
replace
that
door.
It
can
be
repaired.
I
No,
you
don't
have
to
that
wall
with
fancy
and
so
on.
It's
and
in
cases
where
we
do.
You
know
where
they
are
more
expensive
requirements,
you're,
really
adding
value
to
the
property.
In
the
long
run,
that's
benefits
the
owners
as
well
as
others.
So
you
know,
I
just
felt
that
comment
should
be
recorded
somewhere
thanks.
Okay,.
D
D
Okay.
That
brings
us
down
to
the
working
group
reports
and
I.
Don't
believe
there
are
any
at
this
point
emergency
approvals
you
have
there
suddenham
street
with
a
leaking
roof
and
Montreal
street,
with
the
need
to
install
video
recording
any
particular
comments.
Phil,
you
want
to
comment
on
those
through.
N
Mr
chair,
so
let's
start
with
the
one
at
610
Montreal.
So
this
was
a
a
prominent
property
at
that
intersection
and
we
have
people
who
are
now
working
there
and
they
felt
unsafe,
based
on
some
of
their
experiences
and
the
fact
that
they're
unable
to
see
who's
at
the
door,
and
so
there
was
the
install
we
approved,
the
installation
of
lighting
equipment
and
video
equipment
for
the
long-term
use
of
that
property.
N
So
that's
that
one.
The
second
one
is
one
two
three
Sydney,
which
is
a
major
roof
reconstruction
on
the
Northwestern
part
of
the
property
they
have
active
leaks,
they've,
had
active
leaks
for
years
and
they've
been
patching
it
except
this
time
it's
gotten
so
much
that
it's
caused
serious
issues
and
they've
come
in
and
showed
us
pictures
of
the
internal
damage
and
based
on
that,
we
have
approves
an
emergency
approval
to
address
those
immediate
concerns.
N
D
You
very
much
any
comments
or
questions.
Seeing
none
I
know
there
are
no
emotions.
Any
notices
of
motion,
one
item
which
I
apologize,
I
forgot
I,
wanted
to
add
on
the
other
business
and
staff
know
this.
At
our
last
meeting,
we
asked,
after
the
discussion
on
solar
panels
in
berryfield
for
a
report
on
how
council
is
dealt
with
this
and
in
fact
it
was
a
complicated
discussion.
So
I'd
now
like
to
ask
for
at
a
future
meeting
how,
basically,
how
does
Council
Deal
when
they're
a.
H
D
Objectives
have
overridden
and
are
different
from
a
Conservation
District
Heritage
plan.
That
was
the
situation
we
got
ourselves
caught
in
and
it's
not
an
easy
one
to
do,
but
if
sometime
in
the
next
couple
of
months,
you
could
come
up
with
that
with
some
suggestions,
there
it'll
be
much
appreciated
correspondence
you
have
from
the
interior,
Heritage
Trust,
and
you
have
the
letter
from
the
pratts
that
we
heard
of
and
please
the
next
meeting
is
not
the
third
Wednesday
everybody
looked
at
their
agendas.
They
see
I
missed
that
bit
as
well.
D
Thank
you
for
pointing
out
that,
because
of
the
election,
it's
been
delayed
until
October
26,
which
is
the
fourth
Wednesday.
So
if
I
come
here
on
the
third
Wednesday
and
find
you
all
here,
I'll
know
how
many
are
listening.
Anything
we've
omitted,
okay
at
11,
28
or
so.
Thank
you
all
very
much
looking
for
a
movement
to
adjourn,
Jane
excellent.
Thank
you
very
very
much.
Indeed,
we
got
through
our
new
setting
again.