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Heritage Kingston meeting from February 20, 2019. For the full meeting agenda visit http://bit.ly/2HmiQhP
A
A
A
B
Referring
to
page
5
of
the
minutes,
reference
to
mr.
Simms,
his
name
should
be
spelt
as
I
am
asked
with
two
M's,
and
it
should
be
mr.
Craig
seems
to
make
it
clear
who
he
is
and
I
would
suggest
stopping
the
next
sentence.
Mr.
Gower
commented
that
mr.
Simms
is
nationally
recognized
and
stopped
there,
because
we
don't
want
to
suggest
that
we
don't
need
never
need
to
look
carefully
at
what
he's
proposing.
A
A
Basically,
if
you
have,
if
you're
in
a
profit
from
any
of
the
decisions
made,
you
need
to?
Let
us
know
ahead
of
time
and
then
your
discussion
and
it's
I,
know
Jim
and
Bridget
will
be
quite
having
that
because
it's
far
more
complicated
than
that.
But
that's
the
idea.
Anybody
interested
in
any
of
the
properties
were
discussing
today,
okay,
seeing
none
and
I
always
add,
and
if
you
suddenly
realize
later
on
that
you
do,
please
speak
up
at
the
appropriate
time
presentations.
C
Okay,
so
thank
you
all
I'm
here
to
introduce
the
report
that
you
have
in
your
agenda
package.
This
report
was
also
circulated
via
and
I
have
an
opportunity
slide
at
the
end
of
this
very
brief
introduction
to
talk
about
some
of
the
questions
that
were
posed,
but
also
happy
to
receive
feedback
on
how
this
came
to
you
via
and
ways
that
we
might
help
to
enhance
or
improve
that
process.
So
I'm
here
to
just
very
quickly
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
engage
for
change,
ygk
reconciliation
journey
project.
C
C
Kingston
also
serves
as
a
regional
connection
point
for
northern
fly-ins
I
am
de
neg
Mississauga
alder
Ville
First
Nation
Sharbot
Lake,
the
MNO,
the
matey
nation
of
Ontario
alder,
ville
First
Nation,
the
Huron
when
Dad
a
twin
donkey,
and
so
we
engage
with
indigenous
community
members,
both
within
Kingston's
resident
populations,
as
well
as
those
who
are
now
finding
themselves
in
the
sort
of
catchment
areas
or
service
catchments
that
surround
Kingston
today.
So
the
engage
for
change
journey
really
comes
out
of
a
number
of
recommendations
and
directions
from
Council
which
I
won't
go
into
detail
here.
C
Statement
really
marks
the
beginning
and
and
the
release
of
a
purposeful
dialogues
report
marks
the
sort
of
a
moment
in
in
recent
history,
where
we
started
to
frame
out
what
a
reconciliation
journey
could
look
like
for
the
City
of
Kingston
and
engage
for
change,
became
that
project
when
engage
for
change
was
first
visioned.
It
had
one
phase,
it
was
supposed
to
run
for
about
18
months
1617
and
be
completed
with
a
protocol
that
the
city
would
adopt
and
through
that
first
phase
and
kind
of
going
into
it.
C
We
started
to
realise
that
this
was
going
to
require
a
longer
time
period.
This
is
heavy
work
and
a
lot
of
community
education
is
needed,
but
also
a
lot
of
conversation
and
communication
with
indigenous
community
members
to
get
their
perspectives
and
points
of
view
on
a
number
of
city
related
matters
and
initiatives.
C
Now,
and
the
second
phase
is
really
to
continue
that
programming
and
event
support,
but
also
to
begin
a
very
concerted
effort
to
have
a
facilitated
conversation
with
indigenous
community
members
or
community
members
who
are
indigenous
to
talk
about
their
priority
needs
and
things
that
we
need
to
work
on,
from
the
city's
perspective,
to
build
better
relationships
and
to
move
forward
in
a
good
way.
Phase
three
right
now
is
is
not
scoped
out.
C
We
have
to
wait
for
the
conclusion
and
findings
of
Phase
two,
but
phase
three
will
include,
hopefully,
a
return
to
that
protocol
development,
some
commitment
for
a
process
for
how
the
city
engages,
particularly
in
consultation
with
indigenous
community
members
and
groups.
So
it's
an
integration
of
phase,
one
and
twos
outcomes,
and
also
we're
hoping
to
be
able
to
propose
to
Council
a
sustainable
model
for
future
events,
support
and
programming.
C
C
So
a
community
resource
space
where
they
can
share
teachings,
have
cultural
practice
smudge
and
do
many
of
the
things
that
are
quite
difficult
actually
within
the
current
sort
of
structure
of
the
city
held
facilities.
So,
knowing
that
these
are
two
priority
pieces,
this
facilitated
engagement
is
really
working
toward
those
initiatives
and
finding
those
actionable
plans.
So
how
do
we
actually
start
to
move
these
balls
forward
and
make
some
gains
in
these
needs?
C
C
What
I'd
like
to
spend
just
a
little
bit
of
time
on
is
the
community
led
programming
and
actual
events,
so
council
committed
$40,000
to
support
community
led
programming
in
2018
and
2019
under
the
banner
of
engage
for
change,
and
this
has
led
to
support
for
national
indigenous
peoples
day
world
indigenous
peoples
day
powwow
attendance
when
powwow
was
not
held
in
Kingston
sisters
and
spirit
events,
as
well
as
the
Cataraqui
indigenous
wellness
day,
and
we
continue
to
create
partnerships
to
create
and
support
community
led
programming.
This
is
not
programming.
C
The
city
organizes
itself
it's
community
driven,
but
we
provide
now
some
funding
and
models
for
sustainable
development
of
those
programming
initiatives
so
that
we
can
help
to
move
that
that
forward
with
the
community.
The
other
piece
that
council
committed
was
$20,000
towards
community
education
initiatives,
and
these
have
generally
followed
a
talking
circle
format.
C
We
make
small
partnership
agreements
for
two
thousand
dollar
grants
that
allow
for
the
hiring
of
an
indigenous
facilitator,
the
provision
of
indigenous
teachings,
particularly
around
reconciliation
in
the
history
of
the
Kingston
community,
and-
and
we
see
that
then
as
a
mechanism,
particularly
to
bring
information
to
groups
that
maybe
know
that
they
don't
understand
or
appreciate
or
have
the
deep
understanding
of
the
community
in
Kingston,
but
also
about
reconciliation.
More
broadly
in
the
residential
schools
in
particular.
So
we've
been
creating
these
these
partnerships
for
talking
circles
as
well.
C
So
at
the
end
of
the
report,
there's
really
what's
the
call
to
action
to
the
committee
today.
What
we're
really
looking
for
is
feedback.
So
one
of
the
mandates,
of
course,
of
this
committee
is
to
share
the
information
about
the
things
that
we're
doing,
but
also
you
can
question
about
the
engagement
timeline
and
the
initiatives
that
are
coming
forward.
I'm
also
looking
to
see,
if
you
have
any
suggestion
for
ways
of
updating
the
general
community
about
these
initiatives-
information
sharing
not
only
with
indigenous
community
members
themselves,
but
with
the
broader
community.
C
So
suggestions
for
organizations,
events
in
the
community,
where
there
might
be
educational
opportunities
where
you
think
engage
for
change,
would
safely
Nestle
and
then,
as
I
mentioned
at
the
beginning
feedback
on
the
system.
This
report,
the
meat
of
this
report,
was
put
into
I,
hope
that
you
receive
notification
of
it
being
posted.
We've
not
used
in
this
way
before
so
happy
to
receive
feedback
about
how
you
receive
that
information
and
how
we
can
help
to
make
that
better
for
you,
so
that
you
might
be
able
to
offer
comments
outside
of
this
conversation
here
today.
D
D
It's
a
legacy
that
people
are
it's
still
having
repercussions
and
I
know
that
for
my
daughter's
experience
in
local
high
school
and
some
of
our
friends
who
have
really
suffered
and
and
I
think
they
ended
up
in
drugs
and
alcohol
and
one
young
man
that
I
know
ended
up
homeless
because
of
his
parents.
Experience
so
I
think
we
often
talk
about
it
as
a
historical
thing,
but
it
is
still
actually
very
much
alive
today.
The
repercussions
of
the
residential
schools.
C
As
I
said,
one
of
the
comments
and
community
needs
that
has
resonated
quite
clearly
throughout
the
last
three
years
is
the
need
for
a
cultural
space,
and
there
are
a
number
of
kind
of
operational
considerations
and
barriers
around
that
right.
Now,
the
facilitated
engagement,
one
of
the
scoped
outcomes,
is
an
actionable
plan
to
the
achievement
of
an
operating
model,
essentially
for
a
space
like
that.
So
who
would
organize
it?
C
What
could
a
city
relationship
with
that
facility
be
if
one
is
even
desired,
and
so
there
is
no
promise
that
or
a
requirement
that
the
city
itself
will
be
asked
to
support
necessarily
a
space.
This
is
really
an
exploratory
journey
together,
but
understanding
that
the
facilities
that
are
available
in
town
right
now
are
quite
limiting
in
the
number
of
in
the
ways
that
they
can
accommodate
ceremonies
and
those
that
can
particularly
accommodate
smudge
have
to
have
specific
error,
handling
systems
and
they're
very
limited
and
an
incredibly
high
demand.
C
B
C
E
C
Wrote
that
into
it
so
I
can
certainly
be
contacted.
That
way.
We're
working
to
see
if
whether
or
not
a
forum
for
feedback
on
would
be
more
assistive
but
I
will
explore
a
little
bit
more
about
the
site
again,
where
we're
learning
as
well
about
how
to
use
that
system
in
the
best
way
possible.
But
the
idea
would
be
that
you
can
sign
in
and
do
your
sort
of
Heritage
Committee
work
on
one
sort
of
platform.
So
thanks
good.
F
So
73
Baden
is
located
at
the
intersection
of
Baden
Street
and
McDonald
Street
at
the
northeast
corner.
The
property
contains
a
two-story
limestone
house
that
was
constructed
around
1869,
maybe
slightly
afterwards
subject.
Property
is
designated
under
part
four
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act,
which
is
an
individual
designation
in
1978
through
designating
bylaw
nine
three
six
zero
a
so.
The
reasons
for
designation
are
fairly
brief,
as
this
is
an
older
bylaws.
F
We
discussed
at
our
first
meeting
in
January,
so
this
limestone
house
built
circa
1869
is
a
typical
village
dwelling
of
the
period
with
the
verge
boards,
adding
a
decorative
touch
to
another
wise,
simple
residence,
and
if
you
want
to
search
for
a
little
bit
more
information
on
the
building
volume,
three
of
the
buildings
of
architectural
historical
significance
does
provide
a
little
bit
more
detail
and
description
of
the
building
in
terms
of
it.
Evolution.
F
So
the
property
consists
of
the
original
limestone
house,
but
as
well
as
a
rear
addition
that
you
see
in
front
of
you
that
was
constructed
in
the
60
70
s
and
the
rear
addition
appears
to
been
partially
built
over
an
earlier,
perhaps
original
summer
kitchen.
So
you
can
actually
see
where
the
limestone
foundation
ends
on
the
addition
and
then
continues
on
in
concrete
brick
block.
When
staff
is
the
site,
we
were
able
to
go
inside
the
this
newer
addition
and
look
to
see
the
actual
old
exterior
wall
of
the
original
or
older
a
summer.
F
Kitchen
addition,
so
the
addition
is
currently
two
storeys
high
consists
of
a
pitched
roof
on
the
west
elevation
and
on
the
east
elevation.
The
addition
steps
back
from
the
northeast
corner
steps
out
again
creating
this
sort
of
substantial
reveal
in
which
there's
currently
a
patio
deck.
So
this
reveal
is
the
location
proposed
for
the
the
new
addition
to
the
house.
F
The
existing
rear
addition
is
not
considered
to
be
a
heritage
attribute
of
the
property,
nor
does
its
design
follow
current
best
practice,
so
so,
in
other
words,
the
hidey
addition
should
really
be
lower
than
the
original
house.
The
exterior
wall
should
be
set
back
from
the
main
walls
of
the
original
house
so
that
we
have
a
massing,
that's
clearly
secondary
to
the
original
house.
So
the
kind
of
core
consideration
when
we
were
looking
at
this
proposed
addition
is
really
whether
than
the
new
addition
conserves
the
cultural
heritage,
value
attributes
of
the
original
house.
F
So
the
largest
alteration
proposed
here
is
a
two-story
addition
that
fills
in
that
largely
fills
in
that
existing
reveal
on
the
East
elevation.
The
additions
proposed
to
be
set
back,
approximately
46
centimeters
from
the
northeast
corner
of
the
house,
and
the
cladding
is
proposed
to
be
a
horizontal
wood,
siding
with
a
cove
detail.
F
The
setback
of
the
new
addition
from
the
northeast
corner
house
allows
the
original
form
of
the
limestone
has
to
be
visually,
appreciated
and
understood
and
will
not
materially
affect
the
existing
rear,
which
is
the
North
elevation
of
the
house,
so
in
other
words,
the
maist
limestone
masonry
in
the
two
wood
sash
windows
on
the
ground
and
second
floors
will
be
retained.
Within
this
addition,
the
design
allows
the
addition
to
be
easily
distinguishable
from
the
original
house
and
clearly
secondary.
F
It
also
makes
the
addition
reversible,
so
in
other
words,
if,
if
this
portion
of
the
rear
elevation,
if
we
remove
this
addition,
you
could
actually
return
the
realization
back
to
its
original
composition
and
conditions.
So
this
follows
best
practice
that
and
complies
with
Parks
Canada
standards
and
guidelines.
F
In
terms
of
glazing,
the
patio
doors
and
windows
are
proposed
to
be
aluminum,
clad,
wood
windows,
the
one
over
one
glazing
pattern,
and
they
do
comply
with
the
city's
policy
on
window
renovations
and
heritage
buildings.
The
windows
being
replaced
are
not
considered
to
be
period,
windows
or
heritage,
attributes
of
this
property
and
lastly,
two
skylights
are
proposed
in
the
new
roof
plane
and
this
results
as
a
result
of
the
building
code
requirement.
So
essentially,
what
the
upstairs
bathroom
the
windows
see
upstairs
bathroom
will
be
covered
by
this
new
addition.
F
With
this,
with
the
horizontal
wood
siding,
which
will
represent
a
significant
improvement
in
terms
of
the
appearance
of
the
addition
in
relation
to
the
house,
so
the
the
rear
addition
does
currently
replicate
that
that
bird's
board
that
we
see
in
the
original
house
that
was
noted
in
the
designating
bylaw.
The
applicant
is
not
proposing
to
replicate
the
verge
board
or
reintroduce
us
on
the
new
addition,
which
does
follow
best
practice.
F
So
we
want
to
stress
the
importance
of
legibility
between
new
and
old,
and
in
other
words,
if
we
were
to
put
a
new
verge
board
on
the
addition,
you
would
want
it
to
be
distinctive
in
some
way
from
that
original
version,
and
one
here
judge
Kingston
member
actually
suggested
that
the
applicant
might
consider
removing
the
verge
board
from
the
rest
of
the
rear.
Edition
and
the
owner
has
responded
that
this
is
actually
their
long-term
intention
in
combination
with
replacing
that
wood
siding
they're,
putting
on
the
new
wood,
siding
and
so
beyond.
F
The
new
addition
other
alterations
include
the
removal
of
a
pair
of
windows
on
the
ground
floor,
which
you
can
see
to
the
right
of
the
screen
and
the
installation
of
a
door
and
side
light.
We
also
have
a
new
sky
roof
light
skylight
on
the
original
s
and
again,
that
is
the
result
of
a
rear
window
bedroom
window
being
covered
by
the
addition.
F
F
So
in
conclusion,
the
alterations
proposed
in
this
application
will
conserve
the
cultural
heritage,
value
attributes
of
73
Baden
Street.
So
the
recommendation
before
you
is
to
approve
the
project
as
proposed,
which
includes
several
conditions
relating
to
building
permits
and
minor
variance,
doesn't
need
to
be
obtained.
F
A
Thank
you
just
a
couple
of
comments.
As
we
go
through
four
new
people
on
page
six,
you'll
notice
that
it
says
the
application
was
declared
complete
on
January
the
10th.
The
time
frame
will
expire
on
April,
the
10th
once
that
application
has
been
deemed
complete.
The
city
has
90
days
to
make
a
decision.
If
it
doesn't
make
a
decision,
the
application
is
assumed
to
have
been
approved.
That
usually
gives
us
two
council
meetings.
Sometimes
four
council
meetings,
two
months.
A
A
F
Mr.
chair,
so
that
should
be
done
before
they're
installed,
so
essentially
as
soon
as
they
have
approval
from
Council.
They
may
start
submitting
all
these
details
as
and
when
they
finalize
those
details.
So
this
is
simply
a
catch
for
those
finer
details
that
they
may
not
selected
the
precise
model
of
skylight
so
when
they
do
they'll
submit
them
to
staff
so
that
we
can
counsel.
A
D
And
property
quite
well
and
I
believe
that
the
the
renovations
will
actually
improve
what
the
existing
property
I
have.
But
I
have
things
to
learn
so
I'm
going
to
ask
about
the
gingerbread
I
know
you're
talking
about
the
legibility
between
the
new
and
old,
but
look
watching.
Looking
at
the
roofline,
you
can
easily
like
take
down
the
existing
gingerbread
carefully
and
then
incorporated
in
the
new
construction,
but
but
I
guess
the
best
practice
is
to
differ
and
she
knew
between
the
old.
So
I
wonder
if
you
could
speak
to
that
a
bit
sure
through
you.
F
Mr.
J,
so
the
so
best
practice
would
say
if
you
look
to
the
standards
and
guidelines,
as
well
as
the
ministry's
guidelines
of
cultural
tourism
sport.
Essentially,
when
you
do
a
new
addition
to
a
historic
property,
you
really
want
to
be
able
to
understand
and
down
the
road
20
years
later,
when
nobody
knows
what
happened
to
that
house
or
building
what
is
new
and
what
is
old,
to
be
able
to
understand
the
evolution
and
be
able
to
document
that
in
the
future.
F
So
in
other
words,
it's
not
to
say,
we
couldn't
support
some
some
type
of
Verge
board
on
the
addition,
but
best
practice
today
would
say,
and
policy
would
say
that
you
wouldn't
you-
wouldn't
actually
replicate
the
exact
detail.
The
Verge
board,
you'd
change
it
in
some
way,
so
that
someone
who
was
looking
closely
at
the
building
the
future
could
differentiate.
So
really
the
option
was
sort
of
open
to.
You
could
have
no
verge
board
on
this
addition
or,
if
you
chose,
perhaps
to
pick
something
slightly
slightly
different.
A
B
B
The
skylights
apparently
are
needed
for
providing
light
into
the
bath
area,
but
the
skylights
don't
appear
to
be
over
the
bath
area.
They
seem
to
be
over
the
new
part
of
the
construction,
which
already
has
all
kinds
of
windows
in
front
of
it.
So
either
the
skylights
have
to
go
right
up
to
the
roof,
Ridgeline
or
or
something
else
has
to
happen
in
there.
F
Through
you,
mr.
chair,
so
as
I
enters
need
to,
we
do
have
the
designer
here
to
confirm
that
the
skylights
are
intended
to
be
over
what
is
currently
a
bathroom.
So
the
bathrooms
existing
sash
windows
will
be
covered
by
the
new
addition.
Although
it
is
floor-to-ceiling,
so
they'll
have
access
in
a
sense
to
book
the
kitchen
below,
but
they
won't
have
access
directly
to
fresh
air
I'm,
not
sure.
If
I'm,
okay,
I'm
gonna
ask
the
designer
to
make
sure
they
can
clarify.
A
G
Skylight,
in
fact,
as
you
say,
over
the
let's
call
it
an
atrium,
it's
a
two-story
addition
and
it's
two
stories
high.
The
bathroom
is
behind
the
double
skylights
and
there's
one
small
window
which
looks
into
this
new
addition.
The
intent
of
the
skylights
is
to
let
lots
of
light
later
on
in
the
day
when
the
Sun
is
going
towards
the
West.
Let
lots
of
light
down
into
this
thing
into
the
kitchen
which
goes
back
to
the
west
wall
of
the
house
and
also
let
light
more
light
into
the
bathroom.
G
G
H
G
H
F
A
I
Good
morning
everybody,
so
we
have
a
property
application
in
front
of
us
for
a
part
for
designated
property
under
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act.
So
this
property
is
located
at
221,
Queen
Street,
which
is
on
the
northeast
corner
of
Queen
and
clergy
streets
known
locally
as
the
former
United
earth,
Queen
Street,
United,
Church
and
I
was
home
to
sanctuary
co-working.
I
So
this
building
built
in
the
1920s
actually
replaced
an
earlier
building,
which
was
built
in
1886
in
the
same
location,
and
this
was
destroyed
by
a
fire.
The
property
was
designated
under
part
four
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
in
1981.
The
designating
bylaw
denotes
the
property's
architectural
significance.
Speaking
to
the
tower
the
large
gothic
window
to
the
south,
along
Queen
Street
in
the
series
of
Gothic
arches
to
the
west,
which
are
along
clergy
Street.
I
The
applicant
is
requesting
approval
to
renovate
and
entranceway
on
the
South
elevation
along
Queen
Street,
which
is
the
only
renovation
proposal
on
Queen
Street
and
to
replace
all
the
translucent
glass
in
the
ground
floor,
transparent
class,
in
order
to
allow
suitable
light
for
the
apartment
building,
so
apartments
that
are
proposed
in
the
basement
floor.
So
I'll
just
go
over
kind
of
the
elevation
and
they're
proposed
alterations
to
each
a
lot
of
the
committee.
Members
attended
a
site
visit
on
site.
I
I
There
is
a
sill
and
an
arch
already
there,
so
they
are
proposing
to
reintroduce
a
window
in
this
location
and
to
introduce
one
new
window
open
or
sorry
convert
an
existing
ground-level
door
to
a
window,
as
you
can
see
kind
of
towards
the
left
there
and
to
introduce
a
new
window
opening
adjacent
to
this
existing
door.
So
these
actually
aren't
visible
from
clergy
Street
that
one
rendering
doesn't
show,
but
it's
there's
actually
a
built
in
air
that
kind
of
blocks
that
view
on
the
North
elevation.
I
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
introduce
five
new
window
openings
to
align
with
the
size
and
arrangement
of
the
existing
openings
and
to
widen
the
existing
door.
Opening
on
this
elevation
to
allow
a
standard
door
which
will
allow
suitable
egress
for
fire
code
purposes
on
the
East
elevation,
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
introduce
one
new
peaked
window
opening
and
convert
three
existing
openings
in
order
to
create
two
peaked
window
openings
of
the
same
size
and
configuration
through
internal
circulation.
I
It
was
determined
that
fire
shutters
may
be
required
on
this
elevation
to
satisfy
the
requirements
of
the
Ontario
Building.
Code
staff
has
included
a
condition
in
this
report
that
any
final
specifications
tied
to
required
fire
shutters
are
circulated
to
Heritage
stuff.
So
we
can
attempt
to
mitigate
the
impact
of
those,
however
possible
under
the
requirements
under
the
building
code
on
the
South
elevation
fronting
Queen
Street,
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
alter
the
east
entrance
way
which
currently
provides
access
to
the
gym.
I
So
the
one
with
the
CrossFit
signage
there
in
order
to
be
more
consistent
with
the
law
office
door,
which
is
further
along
Queen
Street,
so
introducing
similar
paint,
color
and
wood
detailing
around
the
door,
but
there's
been
a
condition
included
based
heritage,
Kingston
comments
over
on
the
specifications
to
the
door
to
make
it
a
little
bit
more
sympathetic
to
the
building,
rather
than
this
full
glass
door
that
set
the
law
office.
There.
I
So
this
proposal
limits
the
majority
of
alterations
to
those
elevations
that
are
not
readily
visible
from
the
public
realm.
The
new
and
window
openings
that
have
been
proposed,
our
plan
to
align
with
and
complement
those
existing
window
and
door
openings.
The
proposal
aligns
with
the
standards
and
guidelines,
as
outlined
by
Parks
Canada
staff
and
heritage.
Kingston
members,
as
I
mentioned
previously
met
on-site
with
the
applicant.
I
Regarding
this
proposal,
committee
members
were
generally
supportive
of
the
proposed
works
and
provided
some
recommendations
in
regards
to
the
design
of
the
new
openings
and
I've
included
these,
as
recommended
conditions
in
this
report.
So
these
recommendation
recommended
conditions
include
that
flat,
arches
be
provided
and
that
the
existing
stones
that
are
removed
to
form
these
openings
are
reused.
I
For
this
purpose,
we're
it's
feasible
and
also
a
condition
hasn't
include
that
new
sill
should
be
constructed
of
concrete,
and
this
aligns
with
what
Alex
was
talking
earlier
about
making
the
window
openings
a
little
bit
legible
from
those
existing
openings
which
have
stone
sills.
A
condition
has
also
been
included
related
to
the
new
door
design,
as
I
mentioned,
on
Queen
Street
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
glass
per
minute
in
that
door
in
the
paneling
detailing
and
at
a
condition
of
spring
preclude.
I
It
included
that
the
final
paint
selection
for
these
window
frames
are
is
reviewed
by
heritage
staff
before
painting
is
undertaken.
So
staff
has
no
have
no
concerns
with
the
proposed
scope
of
work
and
recommend
approve
approval
of
the
application
subject
to
the
conditions
outlined
here,
which
I've
gone
over.
J
I
B
Which
refers
to
new
window
openings
and
says
stones
shall
be
retained
to
provide
the
flat
arches
now
I,
don't
know
whether
the
intention
really
wants
to
have
flat
hardships
and
all
these
new
windows
but
I
think
if
so,
I
I
think
that's
a
mistake
and
I
think
the
arches
should
match
the
existing
windows
which
have
harshed
loose
bars,
and
you
know
I
could
speak
to
that
later.
But
I
just
want
to
clarify
at
this
point:
do
you
really
mean
flat
arches
or
you
are
you
intending
to.
L
E
Mr.
chair,
just
a
quick
I
think
miss
grant
has
mentioned
the
condition
number
three
there.
It's
just
not
worded
the
way
that
I
think
we
want
it
to
be
worded.
So
the
intention
is,
you
can
see
on
page
61,
there's
a
rendering
that
shows
the
arches
over
top
of
the
windows
and
they
they
are
arches
and
the
intent
there
is
to
retain
stones
to
recreate
the
arch
as
existing.
If
and
when,
there's
an
opportunity
to
do
so,
so
it's
not
to
create
a
different
form
of
art.
E
A
A
C
B
Protect
and
enhance
the
Heritage
attributes
of
the
building,
but
I
think
I
would
like
to
see
more
accurate
wording
in
that
condition,
and
maybe
I
should
I
could
comment,
since
this
was
discussed
before
for
the
benefit
of
some
of
the
newer
members.
If
a
Heritage
window
has
been
altered
and
the
intention
is
to
repair
and
to
renovate
it,
then
I
think
best
practice
is
to
return
it
to
its
original
configuration.
Even
if
you
have
to
use
new
materials,
they
should
be
shaped
and
and
so
on,
so
that
it
looks
as
it
originally
did.
B
On
the
other
hand,
if
you're
creating
a
new
window
as
we
are
here-
and
it
should
be
done
that
it
looks
harmonious
with
what's
there,
so
the
appearance
of
the
facade
looks
right,
but
on
the
other
hand
it
shouldn't
deceive
people
into
thinking
that
those
are
original
and
so
that
that's
why
the
point
about
the
sills
of
the
new
window
openings
being
concrete
rather
than
stone.
If
someone
looking
closely
will
see
concrete,
sills
and
they'll
say
those
are
not
original
windows
and
that's
fine
but
I
think
the
arches
should
look
the
same.
B
B
C
A
Need
a
seconder
Jennifer
and
seeing
no
nothing
there
at
all.
Okay,
any
any
further
amendments
or
comments
on
the
amended
motion
will
go.
Firstly,
then,
on
the
amendment
which
in
condition
3
says
stones
removed
to
create
new
door
and
window
openings
shall
be
retained
where
possible,
to
provide
gemstones
and
buzzers
for
the
new
openings.
A
The
verso
arches
for
new
windows
shall
be
similar
to
those
furthering
the
existing
windows,
those
in
favor
those
opposed
located
the
amended
recommendation
and
conditions
on
page
39
and
40
with
the
amendment
further
discussion,
seeing
none
those
in
favor
those
opposed,
that's
carried
and
I
would
add.
My
comment
to
done
to
this
whole
project
that
thank
you
for
letting
us
visit
and
doing
such
a
wonderful
visit
and
for
the
work
that's
being
done
here.
So
thank
you
for
guiding
it
through
and
thank
all
those
of
you
who
were
were
involved
in
it.
F
Hello
again,
so,
as
the
chair
mentioned,
87
King
Street,
the
application
as
it
does,
is
a
designation
under
part
5
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act.
So
this
is
an
application
under
section
42
for
alteration,
so
87
Kings
Street
is
located
at
the
southeast
corner
of
the
intersection
of
King,
Street,
East
and
Simcoe
Street.
The
property
contains
a
two
and
a
half
story.
Brick
house
constructed
a
circa
1909.
F
F
The
property
inventory
evaluation
form
describes
the
building
as
a
three
Bay
two
and
a
half
story,
brick
house,
on
a
stone
foundation
and
does
note
that
all
four
of
the
buildings
elevations
are
visible
from
King
and
or
Simcoe.
Street
form
also
notes
many
architectural
features
that
are
associated
with
the
building's
Edwardian
classical
style
as
well
as
interesting.
It
does
note
the
one
in
house
story,
brick
garage,
that's
located
to
the
rear,
which
was
built
at
the
same
time
as
the
house
and
in
the
same
style.
F
So
staff
visited
this
site
back
in
October
and
we
wanted
to
note
that
the
house
does
have
a
noteworthy
arktech
architectural
presence.
It's
surrounded
by
mature
trees
and
vegetation
and
occupy
occupies
a
prominent
quarter
along
the
corner
along
the
King
Street
corridor.
It's
north
east
and
west
of
elevations
are
highly
visible
from
King
Street,
East
streetscape,
as
well
as
Simcoe
Street,
and
also
given
its
position
and
setting.
F
You
can
also
quite
visibly
see
its
rear
elevation
when
you
go
to
walk
down,
Simcoe
Street
so
from
the
exterior,
the
house
appears
to
have
been
very
well
maintained.
It's
been
retained,
its
architectural
integrity,
so
the
brickwork
and
wood
detailing,
for
example,
the
eaves
and
brackets
look
to
be
in
good
condition.
The
house
appears
to
retain
all
of
its
original
wood
windows
and
beyond
the
addition
of
the
son
at
the
sunroom
at
the
south
southwest
corner
the
building
above
that
veranda,
which
was
likely
constructed
shortly
after
this
house,
was
built.
F
So
this
application
proposes
a
significant
rear
addition
linking
the
original
House
and
the
detached
garage
which
has
the
effect
of
altering
the
architectural
composition
of
the
rear
elevation
and
given
its
location
on
a
prominent
corner,
will
also
impact
the
side
views
the
house
from
the
east
and
west.
The
addition
includes
a
second
garage,
an
elevator
allowing
accessible
and
access
to
all
floors
of
the
house,
a
new
accessible
entrance,
I'd
grade
on
the
West
elevation
to
rooftop
decks
and
the
replacement
of
the
existing
sunroom.
F
These
elements
have
been
revised
and
now
are
complementary
to
the
main
building
clearly
secondary
in
terms
of
their
size,
and
this
is
an
explicit
policy
of
objective
of
the
plan.
The
addition
of
wood,
eaves
and
brackets
to
portions
of
the
new
addition,
including
the
rooftop
deck
entrance,
as
well
as
multi
paned
windows,
has
had
the
effect
of
softening
that
institutional
character
of
the
addition
and
does
complement
some
of
the
existing
architectural
features
on
the
house.
F
So,
for
example,
this
consideration
would
not
have
been
so
pressing
on
a
building
that
would
be
located,
mid
block
and
surrounded
by
other
buildings.
The
section
also
notes
that
the
height
of
the
addition
should
be
no
more
than
that
of
the
main
building,
preferably
lower.
This
addition
is
clearly
lower
in
height.
The
majority
of
the
addition
is
once
during
height.
F
The
highest
element
of
the
addition
is
the
elevator
shaft,
which
has
been
the
subject
of
much
discussion
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
specifically
on
the
prominence
of
this
elevator
shaft,
and
what
design
strategies
could
be
could
be
used
to
minimize
the
visual
impact.
So
the
final
design
solution
that
staff
supports
includes
the
cladding
of
the
shaft
in
fiber
cement
shingles,
so
as
opposed
to
horizontal
siding
and
in
a
slightly
darker
shade,
potentially
differentiate
than
the
horizontal
hoarding.
F
It
is
stuff
professional
view
that
the
most
practical
solution
in
this
instance
is
not
to
draw
attention
to
the
elevator
shaft
or
falsify
it's
perceived
function
and
use.
So
as
such,
the
elevator
shaft
is
located
it's
at
the
rear
of
the
building,
it's
not
higher
than
the
roof
of
the
original
building,
and
it
has
been
clad
into
a
different
material,
different
color,
to
help
soften
its
appearance
and
stuff.
We're
essentially
concerned
that
if
we
were
to
add
additional
architectural
features,
we
might
actually
draw
attention
to
it
as
opposed
to
trying
minimize
its
impact.
F
So
finally,
I
want
to
talk
about
the
construction
of
additions
and
how
we
don't
want
to.
We
don't
want
to
entail
any
sort
of
removal
covering
or
other
and
adverse
impacts
on
the
Heritage
attributes.
So,
in
terms
of
this
addition,
I
will
necessity
the
replacement
with
a
new
design
of
third
floor
dormer
windows
on
the
rear
elevation,
and
this
is
largely
result
the
result
of
the
installation
of
the
elevator
and
successful
connection
of
the
third
floor.
F
So
the
original
house
currently
has
four
dormer
windows,
hipped,
two
of
which
are
hipped
roof
dormers
on
the
front
elevation
and
two
shed
doors
to
the
rear,
so
the
to
shed
doors
are
the
ones
that
are
proposed
for
replacement
and,
although
acknowledging
its
loss
of
heritage
fabric,
arguably
these
shed
roof.
Dormers
have
the
least
architectural
and
visual
impact
on
the
design.
Overall,
the
house
and
the
replacement
dormer
design
will
maintain
the
visual
interest,
which
is
part
of
the
sort
of
interest
of
this
roof
scape
with
the
multiple
doors.
F
Secondly,
the
additional
require
the
removal
of
a
small
rear
kitchen
servants
entrance
on
the
rear
dish
on
the
rear
elevation.
So
this
observation
was
related
to
the
applicant
initially,
and
the
proposal
has
now
been
just
to
sort
of
retain
an
element
of
the
roofline
of
that
original
entrance
service.
So
you
can
see
on
the
east
elevation
you'll
still
be
able
to
read
where
that
entrant,
what
entrance
was
through
its
roof
form?
F
And
lastly,
the
sunroom
is
proposed
to
be
reconstructed.
We
know
that
it
wasn't
built
at
the
same
time
as
the
house,
but
we
believe
it
was
built
fairly
quickly.
After
the
fact
it
is
in
poor
condition
and
the
reconstruction
is
very
similar
to
what
exists
now.
So
the
main
difference
is
simply
that
a
portion
of
the
southern
southern
elevation
will
not
be
reconstructed
due
to
this
elevator
shaft,
so
I'm
going
to
quickly
talk
about
rooves
windows
and
cladding
and
attempt
to
get
through
this
presentation.
So
in
a
nutshell,
the
proposal
complies
with
the
roof
policies.
F
F
There
are
no
proposed
alterations
of
existing
wood
windows
on
the
house,
and
the
new
windows
do
comply
with
the
window
policy
and,
lastly,
staff
support
the
proposed
cladding,
which
was
initially
initially
proposed
to
be
a
brick
veneer,
and
there
were
a
lot
of
concerns
about
how
to
match
a
new
brick
to
this
brick
house
in
terms
of
color
patina
and
so
essentially.
Now
the
proposal
is
much
clearer,
so
it's
a
horizontal
hardy
board
as
well
as
fiber
cement
boards
shingle,
and
this
will
help
differentiate.
The
two
and
staff
are
confident
now,
with
this
option.
F
F
So
I'm
going
to
jump
to
this
image,
so
the
last
last
alteration
I
want
to
speak.
To
is
just
simply
the
section
five
point,
four
point:
one
which
provides
general
guidelines
for
alterations
to
heritage
buildings
in
the
HCD
plan
and
specifically,
I
want
to
speak
to
this.
This
existing
garage,
which
was
noted
in
the
inventory
form,
so
we
do
have
a
guideline
that
we
have
that
I've
not
yet
addressed,
which
basically
speaks
to
says
garage
or
carport
additions
are
discouraged.
F
So
in
this
application
a
second
garage
is
proposed
as
part
of
this
large
addition,
the
addition
that
links
the
main
house
to
the
Deaf
touch
garage
specifically
and
this
this
one-off
story,
brick
garage,
is
mentioned
and
described
quite
in
detail
in
me
in
the
forum.
So
this
addition
will
obscure
the
existing
dorm
window
on
the
North
elevation
of
the
existing
garage,
but
it
will
otherwise
conserve
their
architectural
form
and
features
that
the
garage
has
has
been
described
as
and
the
new
garage
proposed.
F
The
second
garage
is
set
back
from
the
front
elevation
and
proposes
a
garage
door
that
will
match
the
existing
garage
door
to
the
south
and
software
of
the
opinion
that
the
addition,
the
new
garage,
is
really
secondary
to
the
overall
design
of
the
addition.
So
we
don't
see
it
as
being
sort
of
a
simple,
straightforward,
new,
carport
or
garage,
but
simply
part
of
an
interval
to
a
much
larger
design
of
an
addition.
So,
in
conclusion,
the
addition
has
been
designed
in
such
a
way
that
fundamentally
respects
the
original
configuration
in
style
of
the
house.
F
The
stepping
forward
and
back
of
the
new
addition
helps
to
break
up
its
massing
and
reflects
the
variability
of
the
massing
on
the
original
house.
The
new
addition
has
been
set
back
on
the
West
elevation
to
conserve
the
South
portion
of
the
rear,
veranda
and
setback
on
the
east
elevation
to
conserve
a
portion
of
that
original
kitchen
servants
entrance
and,
moreover,
the
design
features
on
the
historic
house
have
been
incorporated
into
the
new
addition
and
helps
it
architectural
etai.
F
A
F
F
Believe
staff
did
comment
with
regards
to
the
window
patterning
on
the
sunroom,
because
it
was
felt
that
the
in
the
first
iteration
that
the
sunroom
really
didn't
tie
very
well
back
into
the
existing
house
and
when
they,
when
the
multi
pane
windows
came
back,
which
was
on
the
existing
sunroom.
There
was
a
certain
sense
that
it
just
more
comfortably
but
I,
don't
believe.
F
The
committee
had
specific
comments
on
the
windows
except
to
say
perhaps
that
on
that
roof,
there's
a
lot
of
discussion
on
the
roof
top
deck
entrance,
which
is
that
box
piece
on
the
deck,
and
there
was
discussion
with
regards
to
those
windows
and
how
to
lighten
that
entrance.
So
the
design
considerations
became
windows.
The
addition
of
the
cornice
there
are
few
other
diet,
design
ideas
that
were
tossed
around
at
the
time
as
well.
Thank
you.
A
D
F
F
A
K
K
F
Through
you,
mr.
chair,
so
so
the
exist
single
family
home
and
the
idea
is
for
thrown
into
many
details
the
ideas
for
the
family
to
allow
the
the
parents
to
age
in
place
there
with
the
rest
of
the
family.
So
it
is
to
allow
essentially
a
family
to
stay
together
and
to
care
for
the
parents,
and
so
that's
why
they
won't
have
access
to
all
the
floors
that
they
can
be
a
part
of
all
the
different
activities
day
to
day.
Thank
you.
A
B
Yes
very
awesome,
but
and
generally
I'm
best
with
how
it's
been
care
and
negotiating
the
applicants
and
committee,
but
I
think
there
are
still
concerns.
Perhaps
I'll
just
comment
on
a
minor
concern.
Since
it's
been
mentioned
about
the
multi
pane
windows,
I
can
understand
multi
pane
windows
as
proposed
on
the
Sanya
room,
because
it's
replacing
a
sunroom
that
had
multi-pane
windows
and
so
it
sort
of
connects
to
to
the
sunroom.
B
Was
there
I'm,
not
sure
of
that
copying
those
windows
to
the
addition,
the
ground
floor
and
the
second
floor
is
a
good
idea,
but
I
don't
have
strong
feelings
on
it,
but
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
going
to
larger,
more
modern
style
windows
on
on
the
addition
proper
would
be
quite
acceptable
or
the
big
problem.
I
think
we
all
recognize,
as
the
elevator
shaft
is
recognized
very
early
and
I,
think
we
hoped
that
the
applicants
would
would
be
willing
to
live
without
access
to
the
top
floor.
B
But
that
seems
not
to
be
the
case,
and
so
we
have
this
application
before
us
and
I
think
we
need.
The
committee
needs
to
look
at
this
very
carefully
because
well,
there's
no
I,
don't
think
there's
any
mention
of
elevator
shafts
in
the
district
guidelines.
It's
too
big
to
be
a
chimney.
It's
too
small
to
be
an
addition.
It's
just
really
alien
to
heritage
properties,
and
we
should
recognize
that
many
heritage
properties,
this
district,
our
lived
in
by
elderly
people
and
there's
a
possibility
of
seeing
elevator
shafts
popping
up
everywhere.
B
Would
we
approve
an
elevator
shaft
on
Cartwright
house
you'll
receive
house
some
of
the
other
fine
houses
on
Earl
Street,
whatever
I
think
we'd
be
very
reluctant
to
do
so
if
they
were
in
the
back,
where
they
can
scarcely
be
seen,
I
think
the
committee
would
be
okay,
but
that's
not
the
case
here.
This
elevator
is
very
visible
from
Simcoe
Street.
It's
almost
in
your
face.
You
look
at
that
diagram
and
I
know.
B
A
lot
of
thought
has
been
given
to
trying
to
minimize
its
impact
by
changing
colors,
changing
texture
and
so
on,
but
I
don't
think
that
it's
really
made
much
difference
so
I'm
very
concerned
about
about
the
committee
approving
of
this
application,
including
the
elevator
shaft
I,
and
in
my
death
comments.
I
suggested
turning
the
elevator
shaft
into
a
lookout
tower
and
I
really
meant
a
real
lookout
tower
many
houses
of
this
period.
B
Victorian
early
Edwardian
have
lookout
towers,
so
it's
not
adding
an
alien
element
to
it
and
also
the
owner.
Might
you
know
if
the
elevator
cage
itself
is
transparent?
They
could
walk
into
the
elevator
and
look
really
late,
so
I
think
that's
a
real
plus
to
be
sort
of
carefully.
So
but
again
it's
you
know.
People
have
raised
this
question.
Do
we
want
to
draw
attention
to
it
or
try
to
pretend
it's
not
there
or
so
on
anyway,
from
my
own
benefit,
I
decided
to
sketch
a
possible
of
lookout
tower
and
I.
Think
it's
worth
considering.
M
B
The
the
the
point
is
that
lookout
towers
are
part
of
the
Kingston
fabric,
part
of
the
district
fabric
and
I,
don't
think
it's
unreasonable
to
go
that
route.
Now,
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
you
know
you're
getting
here
into
a
mixture
of
the
old
and
the
new,
and
this
is
neither
the
one
or
the
other,
but
the
you
know
we're
in
a
situation
where
there
there
are
no
right
answers
we
have
to.
B
And
you
know
that's
the
question,
so
my
position
is
that
something
needs
to
be
done
to
that
elevator
shaft,
so
that
to
take
away
the
kind
of
monolithic
flat
appearance
doesn't
have
to
be
a
look
at.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
this
lookout
tower.
It
could
be
another
lookout.
Design
tower
could
be
some
detail.
They
may
be
around
the
roof.
That
makes
it
look
a
little
less
blank,
but
I
think
we
should
look
at
the
alternatives.
B
So
what
I'm
going
to
suggest
is
well
we're
bound
by
procedural
things
which
nobody
likes,
but
those
are
the
rules.
I
can't
introduce
an
amendment
respecting
that
elevator
shaft,
but
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
ask
staff
if
they
will
add
another
condition
and
that
condition
condition.
Nine
would
simply
read
like
this.
The
applicant
shall
provide
further
designs
that
add
detailing
to
the
elevator
shaft
to
improve
its
present
monolithic
appearance.
B
Now
what
that
means?
If
that
can
be
added,
and
if
it's
proved,
then
the
project
could
go
ahead
and
people
can
think
again
about
just
how
to
deal
with
this
elevator
shaft.
Maybe
in
the
end,
it
won't
change,
but
at
least
I
think
we
need
another
round
that
all
of
us
are
involved
with
so
I'm
asking
staff
if
they're
willing
to
change
their
recommendation.
If
they
don't
that
I'm
afraid
I
cannot
support
this
recommendation.
B
A
M
A
Hope
there
is
going
to
be
a
lot
of
brickwork
removed
at
the
back
and
I
hope
that
that
brickwork
will
be
the
bricks
will
be
kept
for
possible
reuse.
This
is
century-old
brick,
and
it's
not
easy
to
to
replicate
so
I
would
hope
that
somewhere
there
is
an
attempt
to
to
keep
that
work,
if
only
in
the
future,
for
repairs
or
for
making
further
changes
to
this
particular
house.
Thanks
staff
is
still
thinking.
E
Mr.
chair,
so
staff
is
struggling
with
the
amendment
only
and
so
much
as
the
timing
and
the
fact
that
our
recommendation
is
progressing
to
Council
and
we've
not
had
the
benefit
of
being
able
to
talk
about
the
requested
response
with
the
applicant
short
of
a
quick.
Two
second
is
gushin,
so
what
we
would
ask
is
that
we're
certainly
willing
to
work
with
the
applicant
have
them
consider
design
responses
to
ensure
that
the
elevator
shaft
is
properly
distinguished
in
a
way
that
makes
it
not
stand
out.
E
So
we
can
work
with
the
applicant
on
that
within
the
realm
of
discretion
that
we
have
with
the
approval
that's
in
front
of
this
committee
today.
But
our
recommendation,
in
our
view,
has
to
progress
to
Council,
as
presented
in
certainly
the
comments
that
the
committee
members
can
be
appended
to
the
report.
That
goes
to
council,
but
the
the
issue
of
having
it
somewhat
deferred
to
come
back
to
committee
is
problematic
with
the
timing
and
the
way
that
we've
arranged
for
the
progression.
This
file,
okay,.
A
B
Hear
when
mr.
Newman
said
I
do
not
understand
why
staff
can
cannot
change
their
own
recommendation.
It
hasn't
gone
to
anybody.
Yet
it's
come
here
and
before
it
goes
to
Council.
If
they
want
to
change
it,
they
can,
even
if
even
if
we
make
all
kinds
of
good
or
bad
comments,
they
can
make
changes
when
it
goes
to
Council.
So
I
don't
understand
their
problem,
but.
A
E
I
may
mr.,
you
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
understood
the
comment
that
you
made
correctly.
So
we
can
consider
an
amendment
to
our
recommendation
to
count
to
the
staff
recommendation
to
council
being
that
city
staff
work
with
the
applicant
on
options
to
screen
or
further
distinguish
or
mask
the
appearance
of
the
elevator
shaft.
My
concern
was
that
the
request
was
that
it
come
back
to
this
committee
for
further
vetting
and
that
would
be
problematic
from
a
timing
perspective.
I.
B
B
So
certainly
my
intention
is
that
if,
if
this
condition
can
be
added
or
something
very
similar,
then
it
goes
to
council
council
will
approve
and
then
we
have
bit
more
discussion
as
we
are
expecting
to
have
about
other,
both
colors
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
detail
and
graphic
designs
and
so
on.
All
these
sorts
of
things.
This
can
be
part
of
the
discussion
as
well,
but
I
do
think
that,
if
that
happens,
staff
should
involve
members
in
some
way.
A
N
Our
I
support
the
intent
of
their
of
the
amendment
or
the
recommendation
to
staff.
The
reality
is
I
also
serve
on
Mack.
The
municipal
accessibility,
Advisory,
Committee
and
I
agree
with
the
mover
we're
going
to
see
more
and
more
situations
where
people
want
to
make
want
to
remain
in
a
heritage
building,
but
also
want
to
be
able
to
make
it
accessible
to
themselves
and
other
members
of
their
family.
N
It
doesn't
jump
out
at
you
as
much.
It
is,
doesn't
appear
to
be
his
obtrusive
as
as
the
way
it's
rendered
now.
So
I
would
hope
that
that
the
proponents
take
that
into
account
and
find
a
way
to
make
it
less
less
glaring
for
what's
a
beautiful,
beautiful
building
and
I
would
really
hope
that
they
can
accomplish
that.
K
There
even
a
reasonably
happy
medium
here
by
working
with
both
Don
and
Jim's
points,
as
well
as
yours,
mr.
chair,
in
terms
of
saving
the
brick
that
would
be
removed
and
perhaps
applying
it
to
the
elevator
shaft
I'm
I'm,
not
an
architect,
I,
don't
know
if
that
works
materially,
but
I
mean
based
on
appearances.
If
it
was
to
be
constructed,
it
may
match
better.
K
O
They
say
back
I'm
the
architect,
for
this
thing
the
there
really
isn't
that
much
brick
being
excised
from
this
building.
It
we've
maintained
most
of
the
interior,
brick
facades,
there's
going
to
be
some
kind
of
surgical
removals
where
the
elevator
doors
have
to
come
into
the
building,
but
they're.
Even
the
garage,
there's
I
think
there's
just
some
there's
a
couple
of
incisions.
We
have
to
make
for
a
couple
of
doors,
but
there's
not
a
lot
of
brick
being
taken
off
the
building.
So
I
don't
know
if
we'd
be
able
to
do
that.
O
I
just
want
to
clarify
a
couple
things
about
the
elevator.
What
Alex
said
is
absolutely
true.
This
is
a
family
who
wants
to
keep
this
house
in
the
family.
There
are
two
aging
relatives
who
one
may
be
living
here.
One
would
probably
be
visiting
here
regularly
that
need
that
elevator
immediately
I.
Think,
fundamentally,
you
want
the
elevator
to
get
to
all
floors
of
the
building.
You
don't
want
to
have
them.
You
know
restricted
to
the
bottom
two
floors
and
not
be
able
to
go
up
to
the
games
room
or
to
that
upper
deck.
O
We
have
located
that
elevator
in
such
a
way
that
we
don't
have
to
do
a
lot
of
surgery
to
the
existing
building.
It
has
to
be
somewhere
near
the
garage
or
near
the
front
of
the
house,
because
that's
how
you
get
from
the
the
ground
level
to
the
main
floor
of
the
building,
it's
through
the
backside
of
that
elevator.
It
has
to
be
there,
but
it
is,
in
my
opinion,
it's
pushed
back
from
the
street.
O
O
You
know
you're
taking
that
elevator
in
a
wheelchair.
You
know
in
your
bathrobe
with
your
Walker,
you
know,
I
just
think
it
would
be
a
problem
being
able
to
see
inside
that
elevator
shaft
in
the
street.
So
I
am
to
be
quite
honest.
We
have
not
hopeful
that
decorating.
The
elevator
shaft
is
going
to
is
going
to
be
an
appealing
solution.
Here,
but
we
are,
you
know
we
are
happy
to
work
with
the
staff
going
forward
and
this
we
have
done
a
pre
consultation
on
this
project.
O
We've
I
think
we've
responded
to
all
of
the
comments
that
have
been
made
by
this
committee,
the
the
committee
before
you.
We
just
like
to
move
along
with
this
thing,
and
you
know
I
I,
really
think
simply
changing
the
material
on
the
elevator
shaft
there.
You
know
the
elevator
has
to
have
a
certain
height
to
the
shaft.
There's
an
overrun
requirement
for
maintenance.
P
You
know
I
think
like
contextually
speaking
it
if
you
look
at
it
I
think
in
the
report
it
talks
about.
You
know,
house
has
been
in
the
family
for
a
good
time
and
you
think
about
this
asset.
There's
not
that
many
like
large,
privately
held
buildings
like
that
of
that
status,
and
so
you
saying
you
think
you
know
it's
been
maintained
like
dutifully.
P
You
know
keeping
a
lot
of
its
original
assets,
including
its
windows,
which
is
not
something
we
see
a
lot
of
so
like
if
we
have
to
pay
the
small
price
that
is
allowing
these
people
to
stay
in
their
house
with
an
elevator
shaft.
It's
like
hard
for
me,
too
yeah.
You
know,
I,
think
with
good
detailing,
like
painting
or
whatever
ends
up
whatever
ends
up
happening
to
exterior
the
elevator
shaft.
It's
it's
hard
for
me
to
put
up
a
barrier,
because
I
think
this
is
like
pretty
sensitive
and
sympathetic
to
the
rest
of
the
building.
P
You
know
like
even
all
the
details
seem
covered
so
I
think
it's
it's
really
hard
to
pump
the
brakes
on
it
when
you
think
about
what
these
people
want
to
do
with
their
space
and-
and
you
know,
as
far
as
making
it
into
a
lookout
like
that-
that's
it's
an
idea,
but
I
think
you
know
right
now.
It
it
just
is
what
it
is.
It's
an
elevator,
it's
not
lying,
but
about
putting
a
Belvedere
lookout
in
there
might
might
you
know,
might
try
and
turn
it
into
something.
It's
not.
P
You
know
which
is
kind
of
argument.
You
were
saying
with
the
windows
on
the
veranda
is
that
you
know
you're
presenting
it
as
something
it's
not,
but
I
think
this
does
a
good
job.
It's
like
a
good
little
inbuilt
project.
You
even
keep
the
accessory
building
with
minimal
intervention
like
on
the
brickwork.
The
fact
that
there's
gonna
be
like
so
few
new
openings
that
there's
not
even
enough
brick
to
clad
the
elevator
I
think
it's
a
great
great
time.
This
assets,
gonna,
hopefully
get
maintained
and
use
in
its
intended
function
for
at
least
another
generation.
J
Really
dawn
on
this
I
think
that
more
attention
should
be
paid
to
the
elevator
shafts,
that
it
isn't
something
we
should
just
gloss
over.
I
I
think
that
his
idea
of
it
making
it
be
a
glass
elevator,
is
interesting.
You
can
always
frost
the
outside
have
some
sort
of
non
transparent
glass,
even
possibly
how
you've
addressed
the
massing
in
the
addition.
J
Having
that
step
back
or
what
looks
like
a
step
back
at
the
very
top
could
possibly
reduce
the
mass,
and
you
know
further
detailing
it,
possibly
as
well
I
like
the
idea
of
it
getting
further
iterations
I.
Don't
necessarily
need
to
be
involved
in
that,
but
if
planning
was
I,
think
that
would
be
awesome.
I.
P
I
think
it's
also
been
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
the
elevator
seems
to
exist
on
the
exterior
of
the
existing
footprint
of
the
building.
You
know
so
like
the
reversibility
of
this
project.
You
know
if
we're
really
concerned
about
the
actual
cultural
asset,
which
is
the
building
and
the
accessory
building,
which
I
think
is
like
also
equally
important.
P
It's
like
it's
really
minimal
intervention
and
there's
the
reversibility
aspect
to
it
and
as
far
as
the
way
of
you
know,
I
think
is
worth
noting
the
run.
A
way
of
providing
access
to
heritage.
Ss
elevators
are
like
a
pretty
considerable
expense,
because
it's
not
just
the
elevator,
there's,
also
the
maintenance
contracts
that
goes
with
it.
B
Think
we've
all
sort
of
recognized
that
there's
no
right
answer
and
this
isn't.
This
is
one
of
those
difficult
things
that,
unfortunately,
the
committee
has
to
deal
with
and
and
the
committee
needs
to
deal
with,
I
guess
I
just
want
to
repeat
that
all
the
way
I
think
the
suggestion
of
a
lookout
tower
should
be
taken
seriously.
I
can
understand
if
there
are
reasons
why
that
really
can't
work.
B
If
that
can't
work,
I
think
it's
still
important
to
do
something
to
that
shaft
in
terms
of
detailing
kind
of
maybe
some
trim
around
the
top
of
it.
Maybe
some
corner
joints
for
the
shingles
can
meet
up
against
just
to
put
a
bit
of
structure
to
it.
So
that's
not
simply
a
blank
slab,
so
I
think
I
understood
staff
to
say
that
they
were
willing
to
leave
an
opening
for
further
discussion
about
detailing
of
the
elevator
shaft
and,
if
that's
the
case,
I'm
willing
to
vote
for
it.
A
Q
Thank
mr.
chair.
Yes,
this
is
an
application,
that's
not
as
common
as
as
many
that
this
committee
will
see.
This
is
an
application
to
review
a
heritage,
easement
agreement
that
the
city
and
the
owner
is
agreeing
to
enter
into
to
conserve
a
heritage
resource
out
on
Battersea
and
unity
Road.
So
the
property
is
to
285
Battersea
Road,
it's
at
the
northwest
corner
of
Batterson
unity
Road.
It
includes
a
Ninth
Circuit
1860s,
limestone
farm
dwelling,
nate
known
as
the
james
hickey
house,
as
well
as
a
number
of
outbuildings.
This
is
the
James
Hickey
house.
Q
Q
The
city
did
to
look
at
a
number
of
resources
that
were
on
researched
in
in
the
rural
area,
particularly
and
it
was
reviewed
by
our
working
group,
presented
to
Council
with
a
recommendation
to
designate
council,
as
an
initial
step
has
listed
a
lot
of
properties
in
that
group,
including
the
one
before
you,
and
so
it
is
a
a
non
designated
property.
That's
currently
listed
on
register.
The
ultimate
recommendation,
though,
however,
was
to
designate
it
as
a
merits:
conservation.
Q
The
owners
have
the
property,
have
engaged
the
city
to
present
their
plans
for
a
future
development
of
the
site
where
they
proposed
a
hotel
and
spa
on
the
property.
The
proposal
requires
various
planning,
Act
applications,
official
plan,
amendment,
zoning
amendments,
I
plan
control
and
the
like,
which
have
not
yet
been
been
submitted.
Q
Some
of
these
mature
trees
that
you
see
aligning
the
the
property
and
particularly
the
front
entrance,
so
the
intent
of
the
easement
agreement
is
to
ensure
that
the
1860
stone
dwelling
is
restored,
conserved
and
adaptively
reused
in
accordance
with
conservation
best
practices.
The
draft
agreement
is
in
the
agenda
package,
which
is
the
key
document
that
we're
looking
at
today.
This
committee
is
to
to
be
consulted
on
prior
to
going
to
council
for
for
endorsement
and
approval.
Q
This
was
his
house.
The
toll
house
for
this
property
was
closer
to
the
intersection.
The
Hickey
family
owned
this
property
for
most
of
a
century
and
farm
the
lands,
and
it's
a
also
part
of
conserving
the
the
rural
character
of
this
part
of
the
city.
The
attributes
are
listed
before
you.
They
are
also
in
that
schedule
I
mentioned,
including
the
stone
building,
primarily
its
veranda
chimneys
fenestration
pattern,
as
well
as
some
of
the
mature
trees
and
and
the
stone
gate
posts.
Q
So,
while
consideration
of
impacts
to
listed
properties
is
required
in
the
city's
official
plan,
when
you're
looking
at
planning
applications,
specific
approvals
for
alterations
to
listed
properties
is
not
required.
So
this
is
our
opportunity
to
review
the
the
changes
proposed
to
to
the
stone
building
and
ensure
that
it
it
meets
best
practices
and
conserves
the
Heritage
value
of
this
property
adequately.
The
agreement
will
act
as
our
conservation
mechanism
for
the
subject
property
in
lieu
of
a
part
for
designation.
Q
Q
The
the
most
significant
attributes
of
the
history
house,
of
course,
is
the
farm
house
itself.
It's
shaped
profile.
The
limestone
walls
and
the
openings
I
would
note
that
the
shape
and
profile
the
original
footprint
and
the
one
and
a
half
story
gable
roof
profile.
It
will
remain
unchanged
and
will
be
restored
and
incorporated
into
the
new
design.
All
the
windows
on
this
building
have
been
replaced
over
time
with
vinyl
windows.
Aluminum
clad
surrounds.
Q
Q
While
the
structure
itself
reflects
the
the
rural
character
and
development
of
this
area
on
its
own,
it
is
not
a
heritage
value
and
therefore
a
well-designed
new
building
would
contribute
to
the
world
character
of
this
area
in
much
the
same
fashion
as
this
building
does.
The
applicants
intention
is
to
disassemble
this
building
reuse
as
much
of
the
existing
material.
Q
As
possible
on
the
site
and
to
reconstruct
a
similarly
shaped
and
a
barn
in
a
similar
location,
to
help
reflect
that
and
continue
that
rural
character
of
this
of
this
area
in
this
property,
in
that
it
has
been
included,
I
should
note
under
Schedule.
C
of
the
draft
agreement
is
the
list
of
the
changes
to
the
Heritage
attributes
that
are
being
you
know,
lack
of
a
better
term
sort
of
pre-approved
under
this
agreement
to
allow
the
applicant
to
move
forward
and
I
believe
I
have
those
listed
here.
Q
The
Hickey
house
will
continue
to
have
a
prominent
and
at
the
prominent
presence,
at
the
historic
intersection.
The
addition,
the
new
additions,
are
to
be
located
to
the
rear
and
side
away
from
the
prominent
South
and
East
facades
of
elevations
of
this
original
house.
While
there
the
the
comments
through
comments
from
staff
and
and
this
committee,
the
applicants
have
responded
in
adjusting
the
design
and
the
thoughtful
and
clever
design
solutions.
Q
Q
There
is
a
number
of
work
yet
to
be
done
on
the
approval
perspective
on
this
property
building
permits
licensing
approvals,
as
well
as
planning
act
approvals,
as
I
mentioned,
as
they
they've
been
added,
as
as
conditions
and
and/or
as
the
applicant
is
aware
of
that
and
and
they
will
be
sought
at
a
future
date.
This
is
terms
of
comments
from
this
committee.
It
was
circulated.
Supplication
was
circulated
through.
There
was
also
pre
application
done
in
November,
for
this
application
and
to
site
visits
were
organized
held
on
this
property.
Q
So
any
comments
that
we
received
have
been
provided
to
the
applicants
and
they
have
considered
them
and
have
made
changes,
and
it
is
our
recommendation,
mr.
chair,
that
that
council
approve
and
enact
the
bylaw
to
enter
into
a
heritage,
easement
agreement
with
the
owners
to
help
conserve
this
this
value
of
rural
asset.
Thank
you
good.
N
Q
Q
N
N
E
3
mr.
chair,
what's
before
you
today,
are
the
proposed
alterations
to
the
stone
dwelling,
so
the
easement
agreement
is
going.
It
knowledge
is
those
specific
alterations
to
the
heritage
home.
The
future
bigger
picture
plans
for
the
property
that
will
go
to
a
future
planning
committee
meeting
will
also
be,
as
mr.
Leary
mentioned,
subject
to
a
subsequent
heritage
review.
So
members
of
the
public
will
have
an
opportunity,
both
at
Planning
Committee
and
potentially
at
a
future
heritage.
Kingstown
meeting
to
comment
on
those
pieces.
A
B
B
B
Well,
that
could
cover
anything,
removing
them
all
or
covering
the
whole
property
with
trees,
and-
and
this
is
a
matter
that
was
discussed
in
pre-consultation
and
so
on
and
I-
think
it's
important
that
one
of
the
purposes
of
designating
properties
and
protecting
heritage
properties
is
for
the
benefit
of
the
public,
not
just
the
owners,
so
that
I
don't
think.
We
should
want
to
see
a
situation
where
this
property
is
so
surrounded
by
trees,
that
the
public
can
never
see
it.
B
So
I
would
like
to
introduce
some
different
words
to
number
nine,
just
very
minor
ones:
I,
don't
think
anybody
should
object,
and
this
will
be
an
amendment
to
change
condition,
9
to
read
the
removal
and
replanting
of
trees
on
the
property,
taking
into
consideration
public
views
from
both
Battersea
and
unity'
roads.
So
again,.
K
A
Q
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
the
intention
is,
as
any
of
the
works
noted
in
Schedule
C
are
being
approved
today,
so
the
owner
does
not
have
to
come
back
with
those
specific
alterations.
I
would
note
in
terms
of
the
trees
and
landscaping
details
of
the
landscaping
plan
have
not
been
addressed.
That
would
be
something
that
will
be
covered
as
part
of
the
site
plan,
control
application
which
heritage
staff
will
be
have
probably
providing
input
into
I.
Don't
think
we
object
to
the
additional
wording.
Q
A
You
other
comments,
questions.
The
amendment
then
adds
on
to
on
page
146
of
Exhibit
C
of
Schedule
C,
the
replanting
of
trees
on
the
property,
taking
into
consideration
views
from
battosai
and
unity
rolled
those
in
favor
of
the
amendment.
Those
opposed
to
the
amendment
that
is
carried
then
so
the
amended
motion
page
one,
one,
four
plus
the
amended.
B
B
We
I'm
sure
we
don't
expect
the
owners
are
going
to
give
us
a
vinyl,
siding
barn,
but
I
think
it
is
important
that
the
cladding
be
and,
if
possible,
the
same
as
the
existing
burn.
So
I'd
like
to
suggest
that
amendment
to
number
10,
so
that
reads
the
removal
Salvage
for
Reeves
on
the
property
and
reconstruction
of
the
frame,
barn
with
similar
design,
sized
cladding
and
location.
A
P
You
know
just
commenting
on
the
fact
that,
from
what
Ryan
was
saying
where
this,
because
this
is
the
it
sounds
like
the
structure
of
the
easement-
that
moving
forward
these
are
just
sort
of
like
conditions
for
them
to
work
within.
So
the
the
removal
part
of
the
structure
sounds
like
a
big
sort
of
okay
like
then
it's
just
it's
gone,
although
we
kept
the
materials,
it's
gone
and
so
I
just
think.
Is
there
any
sort
of
like
provision
for
like
an
inventory
and
the
building
before
it
becomes
removed?
Q
A
P
A
We
haven't
voted
on
that
amendment.
Yet
have
we
so
we
have
the
amendment
that
we
add
cladding
and
location.
We
included
those
in
favor
of
that
amendment
to
number
10
those
opposed
that
is
carried
then,
so
we
have
EE
amended
scheduled
attached
to
the
main
motion
any
further
amendments.
If
not,
then
I
go
back
to
the
original
motion,
which
is
on
page
one
1/4
at
Heritage,
Kingdom
Kingston
recommend
you
have
the
two
paragraphs
there
and
the
Esper
Exhibit
C
includes
two
amendments
on
our
page
146
we
moved
seconded
councillor
Neill
another.
N
N
Are
you
confident
that,
with
that
there'll
be
a
continuing
dialogue
for
some
of
the
purposes,
because
there's
a
lot
of
really
interesting
aspects
to
the
internal
as
well?
So
will
you
do?
You
feel
you'll
have
an
opportunity
with
a
nudge
and
a
wink
to
get
some
recognition
for
some
of
those
attributes
internally
as
well,
and
will
those
be
reflected
in
the
easement
or
will
they
be
a
continuing
dialogue?
You
will
have
with
the
proponent.
Q
Mister,
be
the
latter.
The
easement
agreement
as
it's
drafted,
is
specifically
exterior
features.
So
there's
no
interior
feature.
It
was
not
noted
by
either
of
the
heritage,
consulting
firms
that
reviewed
this
property.
So
we
haven't
included
any
saying
that,
given
some
of
the
work
I've
seen
this,
this
company
do
for
say
the
church
on
on
Queen
Street.
H
There
are
often
conditions
put
in
on
part
four
properties
if
there's
some
sort
of
demolition
that
it's
recorded
and
photographed,
and
you
you
know,
there's
a
detailed
record
of
the
demolition
and
you
know
historical
photos
so
that
you
have
some
record
of
the
thing
that's
being
destroyed.
So
I'm
sort
of
following
up
to
what
Matthew
had
I
think
and
suggesting
that
perhaps
when
the
demolition
of
this
barn
that
comes
about
it
should
be
recorded
with
photographs.
E
A
A
I
Yesterday,
but
I
will
reiterate
it
here,
just
for
the
benefit
of
new
members
and
members
of
the
public,
so
the
purpose
of
a
pre
consultation
in
terms
of
heritage.
We
typically
recommend
them
where
there's
might
be
increased
public
interest
in
the
project
or
there's
a
lot
of
moving
pieces
and
it's
maybe
a
little
bit
more
complicated.
So
it
really
serves
as
an
opportunity
for
staff
and
for
committee
members
to
offer
preliminary
feedback
on
the
concept
plan
of
the
applicant
before
they
actually
make
any
formal
applications
under
the
Act.
I
So
there's
no
recommendation
put
in
front
of
you
by
staff
for
this
pre
consultation
and
committee
is
not
expected
to
be
making
any
sort
of
decisions.
Today,
it's
just
kind
of
an
opportunity
for
the
applicant
to
present
their
concept
to
you.
They'll
do
probably
about
a
10
minute
slideshow
here
with
some
details
about
their
application
and
what
they're
proposing
and
then
the
committee
will
have
an
opportunity
to
comment
and
ask
questions
as
you
see
fit
so
I'm
just
going
to
try
and
set
up
the
presentation
by
the
applicant
here.
I
So
this
pre-consultation
submission
is
for
the
proposed
redevelopment
of
five
Lots
on
the
southeast
corner
of
McDonald
Avenue
and
Bateman
Street.
So
this
is
actually
across
the
road
from
the
earlier
property.
You
heard
a
bit
on
Baden
Street,
so
the
Lots
were
originally
formed,
part
of
the
Church
of
the
good
three
property,
but
in
2016
they
underwent
Planning
Act
applications
to
create
new
Lots
and
went
through
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
at
this
time
for
these
properties.
I
So
the
reference
property
at
62,
Baden
Street,
which
is
a
subject
of
this
pre
consultation,
is
the
city
of
Civic,
address,
that's
actually
associated
with
the
parish
hall,
building
the
entire
church
and
presbytery
property.
There
was
designated
under
part
four
of
the
act
in
1978,
and
so
the
applicant
has
requested
a
consultation
meeting
with
the
committee
today
in
regards
to
its
proposal
to
demolish
the
parish
hall
structure
at
62,
Baden
Street,
and
to
redevelop
the
subject
Lots
at
the
rear
of
the
property
along
baden
street,
with
two
three-story
six
unit
residential
structures.
I
I
think
the
applicant
is
also
going
to
speak
today.
They
also
own
the
presbytery,
so
staff
has
suggested
that
they
bring
forward
their
plans
here.
Just
so
that
the
committee
has
a
picture
of
the
whole
proposal,
and
so
the
applicant
is
speaking,
come
seeking
comments
from
the
Heritage
Kingson.
Two
former
further
inform
the
development
concept
for
any
future
applications
under
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act,
as
I
mentioned,
and
these
plans
will
also
require
a
number
of
approvals
under
the
Planning
Act,
as
well
for
your
information.
I
R
We
are
working
very
closely
with
the
archdiocese
of
Kingston,
the
Roman
Catholic
Archdiocese,
who
are
implementing
an
archives
in
the
former
Church
of
the
Good
Thief,
and
we
have
developed
a
close
relationship
over
time
and
the
product
that
you're
gonna
see
here
today
is
indicative
of
that
fruitful
relationship
and
conversation
about
what
would
work
in
in
felt
on
this
site.
I
also
like
to
thank
staff
for
their
excellent
support
in
identifying
issues
that
that
would
be
of
concern
to
this
committee
today.
There's
also
members
of
the
Archdiocese
archives
committee
here
and
support
of
this
application.
R
R
Just
to
introduce
the
owner,
the
proposal
is
by
the
new
owners.
Alko
construction,
which
is
located
in
Toronto
Saco,
develops
property
of
both
Canada
and
the
United
States,
particularly
in
Baltimore
in
Toronto
and
Saco,
build
high
quality
rental
units
with
great
attention
to
detail
and
just
a
quick
example
here
of
some
of
their
projects
in
Canada
in
the
United
States.
You
can
see
the
quality
finishes
in
both
the
interior
and
exterior,
and
we
hope
to
bring
the
same
level
of
quality
at
473,
King,
Street,
Westminster,
choo-choo,
baton,
Street,.
R
So
our
vision,
this
3d
concept,
shows
the
project
components
working
together
on
this
site.
The
proposed
archives
project
will
start
with
the
exterior
and
restoration
of
the
church
and
I
believe
they're,
starting
to
consider
that
for
this
may
in
2019,
this
exterior
work
will
require
a
large
construction
zone
and
scaffolding,
therefore
we're
requesting
that
the
parish
hall
be
demolished
by
May
to
facilitate
the
start
of
the
archives
project.
R
Meanwhile,
its
proposed
that
the
interior
of
the
rectory
be
demolished
in
preparation
for
the
creation
of
for
apartments
in
early
March,
we
would
coordinate
with
the
archdiocese
and
the
Benton
group
around
trades
and
scaffolding,
for
the
exterior
renovation
of
the
rectory
later
in
the
summer,
and
once
work
on
the
former
church
is
progressing
well.
The
basement
excavation
worked
for
the
new
residential
village
would
start,
and
modular
units
would
be
brought
to
the
site
and
placed
on
the
foundations
and
exterior
finished
work
would
continue
to
completion.
R
R
So
our
proposal
is
to
create
16
rental
apartments
located
in
three
buildings,
which
would
be
which
would
form
a
precinct
around
the
proposed
archives.
Parking
would
be
located
in
the
center
of
the
site
accessed
by
an
internal
drive
aisle,
as
you
can
see,
locks
three
and
four
and
locks.
Five
and
six
are
merged
to
allow
for
the
creation
of
the
new
buildings,
and
these
buildings
would
be
architecture
compatible
to
the
former
Church.
A
land
ownership
and
site
management
would
be
coordinated
by
Saul
Cove
and
the
archdiocese.
R
Salk
was
committed
to
the
preservation
of
the
rectory
and
its
conversion
to
four
luxury
apartments.
The
rectory
is
in
need
of
significant
repair
to
the
exterior.
Many
of
the
features
such
as
the
slate
roof
Brook,
pointing
whit,
eaves
and
windows,
are
all
at
the
end
of
their
surplus
oval
lifespan
and
need
to
be
renovated
and
updated.
Andre
Simon
estimated
the
cost
at
approximately
half
a
million
dollars.
The
exterior
work
and
our
estimates
for
the
interior
conversion
are
at
about
one
point:
three:
eight
million.
R
R
So
just
an
example,
here
of
working
with
the
existing
floor
plan
to
create
the
four
apartments
in
the
rectory.
We
believe
that
can
be
successfully
created.
The
interior
has
been
altered
over
the
years
and
many
original
features
have
been
replaced.
Therefore,
the
entire
interior
will
need
to
be
renovated
to
be
code
and
fire
requirements.
Any
heritage
features
that
well,
that
can
be
salvaged,
will
be
incorporated
into
the
final
project
design
and,
as
seen
here
on
the
earlier
slide.
So
Alcoa
is
committed.
Creating
a
high
quality
development
here.
R
However,
the
former
parish
hall
cannot
be
successfully
renovated
and
we
request
permission
to
demolish
it
originally
built
as
a
stable.
The
building
has
little
original
character
remaining
from
its
conversion
to
the
parish
hall
in
1988.
The
building
does
not
meet
current
building
code
requirements.
The
building
at
1,500
square
feet
is
too
small
to
be
rehabilitated
into
multi
residential
building.
The
stonework
has
been
damaged
by
the
Portland
cement
that
has
been
used
to
repoint
it,
and
many
stones
are
not
original
and
most
of
the
stones
would
likely
fracture.
R
R
Each
six
Plex
is
composed
of
two
triplex
buildings
linked
by
a
glass
and
stairwell.
Each
six
Plex
is
about
700
square
square
feet
larger
and
that
combined
footprint
of
the
former
parish
hall
and
adjacent
garage
using
the
rectory
for
design
inspiration.
New
buildings
will
be
clad
entirely
in
red
brick
with
stone
foundations.
R
R
As
seen
in
this
example,
the
design
of
each
triplex
references,
the
rectory
in
terms
of
height
width,
the
color
and
materials
I'll,
be
in
a
transitional
style,
meaning
it's
neither
modern
or
traditional.
The
new
architecture
will
blend
in
and
defer
to
the
heritage
buildings.
As
seen
here.
The
historic
and
new
architecture
are
the
same
height.
The
current
zoning
permits
a
height
of
35
feet,
height
of
the
roofline
of
the
rectory,
is
36
feet
or
ten
point.
R
R
The
addition
of
60
new
apartments
into
this
great
location
will
add
much-needed
rental
housing
to
the
Kingston
community.
This
site
is
well
serviced
by
transit
and
is
near
major
employment.
Centers.
The
apartments
are
generously
sized
at
900
square
feet,
with
a
storage
space
available
for
tenants
in
the
basement,
which
we
feel
as
an
added
benefit
for
tenants.
Each
unit
will
have
two
bedrooms
and
two
bathrooms:
five
new
appliances,
in-suite
laundry
heated
floors
and
on-site
parking
and
many
more
features
that
would
attract
good
tenants.
R
So
this
is
a
view
of
the
project
from
McDonald
Avenue
looking
and
showing
the
relationship
between
the
rectory
and
the
new
construction,
and
you
know
we
are
flexible
around
materials
we
have
in
this
iteration
offered
red
brick,
which
we
can
match
to
the
color
of
the
rectory.
Alternatively,
we
had
considered
using
a
light
grey
brick
that
would
match
more
to
the
church,
but
we
felt
that
this
red
brick
actually
is
a
little
warmer
and
a
little
more
friendly.
R
Do
you
the
view
from
the
interior
of
the
site
looking
out
from
the
archives
parking
area?
So
this
is
what
staff
at
the
archives
and
visitors
would
encounter
when
they
exit
the
building.
So
a
precinct
is
created,
parking
is
concentrated
here.
There
would
be
an
emphasis
on
appropriate
landscaping
to
make
it
as
attractive
for
the
residents
and
for
visitors
to
the
archives
as
possible.
R
We
have
some
unresolved
material
issues,
obviously
the
gable
end.
We
have
not
revised
or
devised
a
solution
to
that.
Just
yet
we
haven't
settled
it
completely
on
roof
material,
there's
a
lot
of
elements
that
we
want
to
work
with
staff
on
and
with
the
committee
to
ensure
conformity
to
the
historic
buildings.
R
One
of
the
things
that
we
and
I
think
the
archives
group
realized
when
we
looked
at
the
layout
for
the
single-family
detached
residences
that
there
would
be
five
Lots
created
and
that
public
access
and
amenity
would
be
lost
if
these
were
subdivided
into
private
Lots.
So
in
this
scenario,
we
feel
there's
a
tremendous
benefit
to
the
community
around
access
to
the
site.
We're
gonna
try
to
retain
as
much
of
the
open,
park-like
feel
as
possible
for
the
benefit
of
residents
and
visitors
to
the
archives.
R
So,
just
to
quickly
summarize,
this
proposal
brings
many
benefits
to
the
portsmouth
community.
The
archdiocese
archives
is
an
important
new
heritage
facility
in
our
community.
The
archives
will
have
only
one
neighboring
property
owner
to
ordinate
construction
and
ongoing
property
maintenance,
potentially
as
much
as
8
million
dollars
will
be
invested
in
the
two
heritage
buildings
on
the
site
and
at
no
cost
to
the
city
of
Kingston.
R
The
new
develop
will
see
the
creation
of
16,
much-needed,
new
rental
apartment
apartments,
added
to
the
bill,
housing
strong
and
contribute
to
municipal
revenues
and
through
fees
and
permits,
as
well
as
long-term,
the
tax
base.
The
new
high
quality
development
is
designed
to
coordinate
with
and
defer
to
the
historic
architecture.
The
existing
open
landscape
will
be
retained,
remain
a
community
benefit
rather
than
being
subdivided
into
individual
logs.
R
This
proposal
requires
a
zoning
amendment
and
heritage
approvals,
and
it
is
our
hope
that
heritage
Kingston,
the
community,
will
see
the
many
benefits
of
this
proposal
and
support
it.
So
we're
prepared
to
answer
any
questions,
certainly
around
the
Harwich
planning
side.
We
have
our
architect
strike
Latimer
here,
as
well
as
the
owner.
P
P
Okay,
so
I
think
you
know
it
seems
like
a
Heritage
Conservation
District
and
it
serves
the
function
of
that
property.
The
way
that
all
the
buildings
are
oriented
because
they're
oriented
inward
towards
your
precinct
I
think
you're,
referring
to
it.
Yes,
but
it
doesn't
really
serve
the
other
portion
of
the
population
because
it
really
cuts
them
off,
because
the
street
is
cold,
you
know
yeah,
and
so
you
could
flip
the
orientation.
Although
it
doesn't
serve
your
function
of
providing
access
to
the
precinct,
it
would
be
a
lot
better.
P
I
think
those
are
the
zoning
stuff,
but
just
suggestion
it
would.
It
would
serve
the
character
and
function
of
the
neighborhood,
much
better,
as
well
as
pushing
the
westerly
building.
So
the
one
that's
on
the
Left
north
to
meet
the
street
wall
orientation
of
the
other
building
I
think
it
would
just
present
way
better
to
the
you
know:
cuz
I
I'm,
assuming
you
know,
with
the
double
peak
roofs
you
did,
that
to
trying
to
mimic
yeah.
P
P
P
E
R
P
K
I
P
P
M
P
R
N
Like
most
city,
councilors,
I
wear
several
hats,
and
one
of
them
is
chair
of
planning.
Committee
and
I
will
say:
I
was
on
the
brink
a
couple
of
times
of
saying
point
of
order,
because
so
much
of
what
you
presented
is
planning
related
and
not
heritage
related
and
I
appreciate
that
you're
making
a
request
for
something
that
we
hardly
ever
hear,
which
is
a
request
to
demolish
a
heritage
designated
building.
N
R
Would
like
to
come
to
planning
committee
as
soon
as
possible.
You
wanted
to
make
sure
that
this
committee
was
satisfied
with
what
we
were
proposing
from
a
design
and
implementation
perspective,
so
that
was
our
first
intent
and
we
had
met
with
staff
a
number
of
times
they've,
given
us
excellent
feedback.
Obviously,
as
you
know,
many
of
these
are
planning
elements
that
we
need
to
consider,
but
we
felt
that
overall,
the
Heritage
component
was
primary
at
this
juncture,
as
well
as
getting
community
feedback,
because.
N
I
have
ruled
questions
out
of
order
when
they've
been
heritage,
purely
heritage,
related
questions
at
planning,
and
so
I
would
really
appreciate
this
coming
to
planning
as
soon
as
possible,
because
so
much
of
what
you're
presenting
I'm
hearing
for
the
first
time
and
it
they
are
clearly
planning
related.
Obviously,.
Q
Mr.
chair,
so
just
to
be
clear,
the
designation
goes
with
the
property,
in
this
case
five
properties,
because
it
still
covers
the
entire
holding
there.
What
was
the
original
church
holding
and
then
of
those
you
identify
the
attributes,
and
that
includes
the
buildings
in
all
cases.
In
most
cases,
if
they
have
heritage
value.
Q
What's
before
this
committee
today
is
kind
of
an
interesting
opportunity
to
flag
these
concerns
for
the
applicants
benefits
so
when
they
come
back
for
their
demo
permit
and
their
permit
for
their
new
sorry,
their
heritage
demo
permit
and
their
heritage
permit
for
the
new
builds.
They
can
just
take
an
address
these
things
before
they
come
back
so
granted
part
of
what
is
proposed
before
you
or
what
is
being
considered
is
the
removal
of
a
stone
former
stable
building
on
Baden
Street
demolition
of
heritage.
Q
Buildings
is,
thankfully,
fairly
rare,
but
when
that
happens,
we
look
for
the
applicant
to
make
a
case
for
it
so
to
put
forward
their
assessment
of
the
building
its
heritage
value
as
it
stands
today
and
how
it
contributes
to
the
area
and
the
property.
In
some
cases,
in
engineering
or
a
structural
assessment
of
the
building.
Just
to
say
is:
can
it
be
salvaged
and
if
so,
what
is
the
implication
to
that
to
both
the
the
to
the
resource
itself
and
to
how
that
impacts?
Q
The
cost
analysis
of
the
rest
of
the
development,
because
that
is
a
consideration
in
many
cases,
so
we
will
look
at
what's
what's
best
for
this
resource
and
for
the
community.
So
at
this
point
and
we're
not
there
at
this
point,
this
committee
has
a
chance
to
to
voice
those
concerns
and
say
you
know
we're
interested
in
this
we'd
like
to
see
it.
Or
can
you
focus
on
these
aspects
of
of
your
analysis
when
you're
bring
back
our
heritage
demo
permit
application,
because
that's
what
we're
going
to
be
looking
for,
but
I
think.
Q
As
the
presenter
mentioned,
they
have
a
lot
going
on
in
this
property
and
they're
kind
of
looking
for
feedback
on
the
whole
project,
demo
being
part
of
it.
Yes,
definitely
a
big
part
of
it,
but
also
the
character
of
these
buildings.
Is
there
things
that
they
should
be
focusing
on
or
avoiding
or
changing?
Q
Is
there
something
inherently
wrong
with
where
they're
placing
these
or
the
scale
of
these
or
all
of
that
in
relation
to
the
Heritage
impact
of
the
property,
its
resources
and
in
in
the
village
reports
mode,
the
village
character
area
which
we
flagged
as
a
future
district?
So
all
of
that
in
mind
this
is
an
opportunity,
a
really
informal
opportunity
to
provide
those
feedback.
Q
Those
comments
to
the
applicant,
his
team,
who
are
all
here
so
that
when
they
come
back
in
the
future
for
their
heritage
permits
that
you
can
have
a
complete
package
and
it
missed
anything.
So
you
know
provide
what
you
can
today
if
there's
something
that
comes
up
after
the
meetings
over
email,
Jenice
I
believe
she's
the
planner
on
file
for
this
one
and
and
will
certainly
provide
that
to
the
to
the
proponents.
B
M
B
If
we
allowed
you
to
demolish
the
parish
hall
and
did
nothing
to
the
rectory,
so
possibly
an
inherited
easement
agreement
is
a
way
to
go,
but
that's
for
staff
to
deal
with
one
specific
question
now,
looking
at
the
layout
the
site
plan,
it
looks
as
if
oh
there's
a
driveway
going
around
the
providing
access
to
the
rear
of
the
church
building.
Is
that
a
recognized
right
away
or
could
that
be
negotiated?
B
R
Mr.
Sherr,
this
is
what
the
church
archives
preferred
is
double
access.
Point
parking
for
the
residential
is
immediately
adjacent
to
their
parking
right
in
front
of
the
former
church,
and
our
engineering
department
has
no
concerns.
It
would
be
a
private
road
and
it
would
be
basically
a
shared
ownership
with
with
the
archdiocese.
B
R
In
quick
risks
to
your
question,
I
mean
it
would
be
so
much
easier
for
us
to
build
a
six-story
building
right
at
the
corner,
it'd
be
so
much
easier.
What
we're
doing
is
much
more
difficult,
much
more
costly
in
order
to
fit
in
so
I.
Think
I
want
to
emphasize
that,
and
you
don't
have
to
twist
our
arms
to
preserve
the
rectory.
We
want
to
preserve
the
rectory.
We
maxam
will
get
maximum
rents
there
because
it
will
be
giving
it
luxury
finishes.
So
I
wouldn't
worry
about
that.
D
Thank
a
really
like
you
did
the
improvements
and
the
materials
that
use
from
the
other
drawings
that
I've
previously
seen
so
there's
the
the
red,
brick
and,
and
they
stone
trying
to
match
the
rectory
Zam
much
better.
Look
I
still
have
a
concern.
I
feel
like
the
neighborhood
is
going
to
be
concerned
about
the
massing
and
I
noticed
you
don't
have
the
drawings
up,
but
of
the
internal
architecture,
a
layout,
sorry
I,
don't.
D
The
one
that
I
look
I,
don't
know
if
you
change
the
internal
because
it
looked
like
there
was
space
in
the
basement
and
I
wonder
if
that
could
be
utilized
to
reduce
the
height
or
somehow
the
masses
they
seem
large
and
I.
Don't
know
if
it's
the
because
they're
attached
or
is
it
a
height
thing?
It's
amassing
that
I'm
questioning
yeah.
R
Well,
we
we've
heard
that
there's
a
number
of
Fagor
one
around
just
ease
of
cost
with
the
vast
air.
Well,
the
stairwell
also
has
in
that
it
is
a
transparent
feature
which
kind
of
defines
the
two
triplex
buildings
it's
transparent.
It's
naturally
lit
and
there's
natural
surveillance
for
safety,
so
those
are
all
aspects
that
we
brought
it
into
consideration.
R
The
archdiocese
does
not
want
basement
units.
We
don't
want
basement
units,
we
would
love
to
give
the
tenants.
You
know
full
access
to
light
and
air
as
much
as
possible.
So
that
is
what
our
thinking
is.
As
I
mentioned
about
the
height
I
can
go
back
to
that
that
slide
for
you
there
it
is
so
the
height
is
the
same.
Essentially
I
mean
I,
think
we're
talking
about
a
foot
but
really
between
what
is
permitted
and
that
and
what's
proposed,
the
height
of
the
rectory
is
36,
so
it
exceeds
the
current
zoning.
R
You
know
so
we're
staying
well
within
that
you
know
realm
of
height.
So
now
we
were
focusing
on
materials
to
fit
in,
and
quality
for.
The
tenants
I
think
that's
you
know,
for
us,
that's
essential,
so
we
did
consult
with
the
archdiocese
they.
They
would
prefer
not
to
have
basement
units
like
facing
their
archives
entrance,
and
we
heard
that
and
we
respect
that
so.
J
K
For
the
community's
perspective
here,
these
are
two
absolutely
beautiful
buildings
that
you're
now
covering
up
from
the
view
of
those
who
live
across
the
street,
live
around
the
corner.
They're
not
gonna,
be
able
to
see
the
backsides
or
any
of
the
details
of
these
buildings,
because
these
new
complexes
are
gonna
be
smack
in
front
of
them.
R
On
a
couple
of
points
to
your
point,
our
main
driver
was
to
press
corridors.
The
Heritage
View
quarters
up
King
Street
to
baton,
so
the
building's
just
go
back
are
behind
the
rectory
and
the
church.
So
those
view
quarters
are
preserved
up
King
Street
and
that
seemed
to
be
what
we
had
heard
was
more
valuable.
R
Another
point
was,
with
the
current
site
plan,
we
were
going
to
lose
all
public
access
because
everything
would
be
chopped
up
into
individual
Lots,
so
houses
would
be
going
up.
There
would
be
a
loss
of
views
regardless
and
those
buildings
can
go
up
to
ten
point
five
meters
as
of
right.
So
that's
that's
going
to
happen
regardless.
R
So
what
we
felt
was
more
beneficial
to
the
community
was
retaining
that
open
park-like
feel
so
that
the
people
can
continue
to
dabble
like
they
do
now
through
the
site
to
King,
Street
and
unimpeded
I
mean
there'll,
be
no
reason
to
impede
them.
So
the
layout
here
on
the
bird's
eye
is
showing
those
view.
Corridors
are
preserved
from
King
and
full
access
through
the
site
is
maintained
that
would
be
lost
under
the
current
zoning
regime.
A
J
Was
gonna
groupie
Clements
regarding
the
streetscape
and
how
the
large
flat
wall
creates
the
barrier
and
possibly
looking
at
how
to
mitigate
that
with
again,
you
were
saying
the
height
of
the
roof.
You
may
be
looking
at
like
a
mansard
roof,
so
they
it's
still
inhabited
on
this
third
story,
but
that
brings
the
scale
more
to
a
residential
level
and
possibly
pushing
in
and
out
to
break
up
that
wall.
J
R
Okay,
so
on
this
view
from
Baden
Street
I'm
a
slightly
recessed
stairwell,
so
it
gives
that
articulation
kind
of
breaks
it
up.
It's
also
transparent.
You
can
see
through
it.
So
I
think
that
is,
you
know,
a
benefit
that
will
be
the
case
for
property
owners
across
the
street.
You
will
also
have
you
know
it's
somewhat
lit
at
night.
So
that's
one
feature
talking
about
the
parish
hall.
There
are
so
many
things
wrong
with
the
parish
hall.
R
It
was
built
as
a
stable
right
all
the
stone.
As
far
as
we
can
determine
or
castoffs
from
the
building
of
the
church.
They
were
never
good
quality
stones.
They
were
using
a
stable
then
in
1989,
when
they
renovated
into
the
parish
hall
and
use
it
for
about
25
years
as
a
parish
hall.
A
lot
of
the
construction
that
was
undertaken
does
no
longer
meet
Building
Code,
so
we
would
have
to
dismantle
in
order
to
utilize
this,
but
we
have
to
dismantle
it
and
rebuild
it.
So
our
estimate
was
put
six
hundred
thousand
dollars.
R
We've
also
heard
about
reusing
the
stones
in
some
fashion
because
they
were
castoffs
and
they
were
then
mortared
with
more
Portland
cement.
They
are
there
fracturing.
So
if
we
disassemble
it
they're,
probably
going
to
just
fracture,
we
have
offered
it
to
the
archdiocese
for
use
in
the
construction
of
the
church,
but
Isaac's
I
suspect
that
there
still
Mason
will
reject
them.
So
if
there
are
any
units
that
we
can,
utilize,
I
should
probably
go
back
to
that
slide.
R
So
if
there
were
any
units
that
we
could
utilize,
they
could
only
be
used.
Let's
say
for
a
landscaping
feature
like
a
little
a
little
wall
or
something
like
that.
If,
if
they
can
be
be
used
also
over
time
that
you
know
it's
it's
more
from
a
an
out
building
into
a
parish
hall,
there
have
been
so
many
alterations
done
to
the
building.
That
is
very
little.
That's
actually
original
in
it,
so
the
interior,
exterior,
Aundrey,
Shimon
and
I
looked
at
it.
There
is
just
so
many
changes.
R
Windows
openings
have
changed
that
red
circle
at
the
front
of
the
of
the
parish
hall.
For
a
personal,
that's
all
new
stone.
That's
not
original
stone
that
was
brought
when
it
was
converted
to
the
to
the
parish.
Oh
I
think
there
was
actually
a
stable
door
and
they
just
filled
it
in
and
it's
a
veneer.
It's
not
even
full
full
units
as
a
veneer
I
address.
All
of
that
in
the
H
is
that
repairing
awesome.
R
B
A
A
In
my
mind,
if
you
want
to
keep
the
view
at
least
at
the
back
of
the
church,
often
I
would
be
tempted
to
move
the
unit
behind
the
church
through
90
degrees
and
put
it
basically
where
you've
got
lots
of
flat
five
printed
there,
so
that
you
really
open
up
the
view
from
Baden
Street
and
the
views
you
come
down
there
and
have
a
much
more
open
area.
So
that's
one
I'd
like
you
to
consider
the
parish
hall.
A
The
one
word
I
haven't
yet
heard
is
move,
and
you
will
be
amazed
how
many
buildings
in
Kingston
have
in
fact
been
demolished
and
being
moved
and
rebuilt
and
I
suggest
that
we
keep
that
one
in
mind
on
the
the
buildings
couple
of
comments.
Firstly,
I
know
as
a
much
tool.
I
think
you
need
to
keep
in
mind
the
size
of
the
rectory
windle's.
A
Secondly,
they
do
not
like
on
this
committee
does
not
like
shutters,
which
do
not
close
off
the
windows
and
I'm
also
concerned
about
the
stone
patterns.
You've
got
on
the
corners
there,
they're,
usually
much
more
regular
than
that.
So
there's
a
few
comments
to
to
think
about
and
to
say:
I
don't
need
answers
now,
but
they
are
things
to
think,
sir,
unless
you
want
to
make
comments
immediately,
but
well.
P
Yeah
to
this
line
of
the
parish,
all
awful
yeah,
please
I
I
think
like
we
were
talking
about
the
condition
of
it
and
and
the
alterations
made,
and
you
know
other
committee
members
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
part
of
the
like
preserving
these
assets
as
they
stand
and
not
bring
him
to.
One
particular
point
in
time
is
that
they
serve
as
like
a
conduit
for
knowledge
through
time
that
and
those
those
alterations
speak
to
that
right
and
so
I
think
often
you
have
to
take
those
in
considerations.
It's
not
like.
P
R
M
Is
that
it
okay,
counterintuitive
yeah
in
terms
of
the
roof
design
I
mean
we're
we're
not
went
to
any
particular
approach.
We've
tried
three
different
approaches.
Obviously,
a
flat
roof
could
work
quite
well
and
you're.
Absolutely
right.
It
would
reduce
the
structure.
We
could
even
look
at
making
it
potentially
a
green
roof
for
sustainability
aspects.
So
obviously,
all
of
that's
on
the
table
like.
P
P
H
Thanks,
just
in
view
of
the
fact
that
it's
a
Portsmouth,
Village
heritage,
character
area,
I'm
wondering
if
we
should
be
looking
at
a
heritage
impact
statement
for
the
entire
property
and
I
too,
have
concerns
about
the
height
and
massing
and
I
haven't
really
this.
These
designs
are
a
little
bit
different
from
what
the
ones
that
I
looked
at
and
commented
on,
but
I
think
all
my
comments
that
I
put
on
still
stand
from
my
point
of
view
so
and
I'm
not
gonna
review
them
now.
But
I
would
like
you
to
take
them
into
consideration.
H
I'm
also
concerned
about
the
positioning
of
the
buildings
and
how
close
they
are
to
McDonald,
Street
and
I.
Guess:
that's
Baden
Street
yeah
I'd
like
to
revisit
I'd
like
to
you
to
consider
how
close
they
are
to
the
street
and
I'm
sure
they
require
a
zoning.
I
like
they
don't
fit
in
with
a
setback
required
I'm
sure
they.
H
R
Q
H
P
You
know
there.
Those
sorts
of
things
are
like
really
settled
nuances,
but
cumulatively,
they
add
up
to
something
looking
out
of
place
and
I.
Think
in
this
in,
like
a
heritage
conservation
area,
it's
it's
probably
really
worth
taking
in
the
historic
front
precedent
for
how
the
buildings
were
placed.
P
I
don't
know,
maybe
staff
can
back
me
up
on
that,
but
I
think
that's
like
a
thing
that
happens
a
lot
like
when
you
see
infill
projects
in
other
neighborhoods
and
then
they're,
observing
like
in
my
neighborhood
there's
a
499
and
it's
like
hilarious
thing
where
this
one
house
is
15
feet
back
from
the
other
ones,
and
it
just
looks
stupid
yeah
anyway.
So
I
think
that
would
be
worth
considering
here.
Thanks,
okay,.
D
You
I
really
appreciate
your
relationship
and
partnership
with
the
archdiocese
and
archives
and
and
I
also
knowledge.
The
cost
like
this
is
not
a
cheap
endeavor
and
you
are
trying
to
create
something
that
fits
in
the
community
and
again
I
really
appreciate
how
you're
trying
to
match
the
brickwork
and
the
stonework.
D
Unfortunately,
the
massing
is
the
issue
that
will
come
up
in
the
community,
so
I
do
think
that,
with
a
bit
of
architectural
design,
perhaps
the
the
third
floor
could
be
have
dormers
and
be
in
the
roofline
kind
of
hits
away
from
this
street
I
think
a
flat
roof
will
just
create
a
rectangular
box
and
that
will
not
be
attractive
at
all
and
I.
Don't
think
you'll
achieve
what
it
is
that
you're
trying
to
achieve,
which
is
to
basically
fit
into
an
area
that
on
Baden
they're,
actually
quite
low
level.
D
Houses
like
the
rectory
is
on
King
Street
and
McDonald.
That's
a
higher
area,
but
they,
but
the
houses
on
baden
are
quite
low.
So
if
I
think
it's
an
architectural
I
think
you're
going
to
get
there
through
some
architectural
designs
and
yet
perhaps
consider
dormers
and/or
in
the
roofline
away
from
the
street.
On
the
third
floor,
Thanks.
S
S
I
think
the
planning
issues
relate
as
to
whether
or
not
request
here
isn't
for
too
many
units
there,
because
certainly
that
whole
area
is
basically
single-family,
although
it
is
going
through
a
change
with
the
new
hospital
being
built
there.
So,
a
couple
of
years
ago,
when
there
happened,
a
number
of
other
applications
have
proved
that
I
think
that
councillor
Neill
would
know
about
just
a
little
bit
further
down
the
road
on
Portsmouth
Avenue
just
recently.
S
So,
having
said
that,
I
think
that
the
only
recommendation
that
I
would
suggest
to
the
committee
is
that
no
decision
be
made
with
respect
to
the
demolition
of
the
Coach
House,
and
the
coach
house
has
been
a
lot
of
things
over
the
over
the
60
years.
That
I
am
familiar
with.
It
used
to
be
a
bingo
hall
where
every
Thursday
night
there
was
bingo
held
by
the
church
community,
and
it
was
a
totally
different
building
from
what's
there
now.
S
What's
there
now
was
basically
built
in
the
nineteen
late,
1980s
and
I
doubt
that
very
much
of
the
current
building
was
part
of
the
old
building,
but
I'll
just
leave
that
aside.
If
its
designate
is
designated-
and
it
may
be
the
only
way-
quite
frankly
in
which
city
might
have
a
hold
on
the
developer
year,
to
make
sure
that
the
development
takes
place
in
accordance
to
but
the
city
as
a
whole.
Both
the
planning,
the
council
and
your
committee
thinks
is
desirable
for
that
area.
I
would
just
strongly
and
I.
S
That
I
I
think
has
been
an
improvement,
but
the
real
question
that
the
council
will
have
to
addressed
and
that
planning
has
to
address
as
to
whether
or
not
these
12
units
aren't
too
much
for
that
particular
neighborhood,
because
in
that
immediate
area,
within
about
a
two-block
area,
I,
don't
think
there's
a
building,
that's
more
than
a
single-family
dwelling.
I
could
be
mistaken.
It's
good
PDR,
duplex
there
and
I'm
currently
as
far
as
I'm
concerned.
S
So
I
would
just
suggest
to
you
that
no
decision
be
made
by
this
committee
until
the
planning
issues,
and
that
is
the
size
of
the
development
that
has
been
determined
by
City
Council,
and
let
me
also
commend
you
on
the
great
work
that
you're
doing
here.
Having
sat
here
for
the
last
three
hours
or
so
listening
to
the
various
presentations
that
have
been
made
to
you.
S
I
think
the
Heritage
Committee
and
Heritage
in
Kingston
is
strong
and
active,
and
let's
never
forget
one
of
the
reasons
why
so
many
people
come
here
from
so
many
other
places
it's
because
of
the
heritage
ambience
of
our
city,
which
is
sometimes
denigrated
by
individuals,
but
it's
something
I
think
that
this
city
and
the
tourism
industry
that
we
have
in
this
community
thrive
on.
Thank
you
thank.
A
You
very
much
for
saying:
well,
it
will
be
duly
written.
It's
I'm
sure
thing.
Thanks
Janice
other
comments
from
the
public
okay,
so
there
is
no
recommendation
needed
from
this.
The
applicants
have
heard
your
comments
heard
your
concerns
heard
your
supports.
Thank
you
thank
you
and
we
will
move
on
to
the
last
couple
of
items.
A
L
A
A
We
have
for
the
cultural
heritage
working
group,
part
of
the
addendum
that
Cristo
Evolis
Rodney
Carter
Patricia
furia
Megan
Kerrigan,
be
appointed
to
the
cultural
heritage.
Working
group
return,
expiring,
November,
30,
2019,
councillor
Neill
seconded
by
who's,
gonna
move
councillor
Daugherty.
How
about
that.
L
A
Is
the
cultural
heritage
working
group?
You
are
able
to
volunteer
for
that
and
seeing
your
immediate
move,
we
will
leave
that
motion
as
it
stands,
moved
and
seconded
don't
in
favor
those
are
polls,
so
those
four
members
come
and
you
have
the
heritage
assets
working
group
that
Jennifer
Nichol
Bob
neat
be
Kathy.
Car
cut
bill
versa
and
Patricia
fury
be
appointed
to
the
heritage
assets
working
group
for
a
term
expiring,
November,
30th
2019.
Looking
for
a
mover
done
for
a
second
or
Matthew
for
volunteers
to
also
join
those
groups,
I
think
you're
probably
welcome.
P
One
of
the
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
do
here
is
we
reference
like
municipal
policy,
whenever
you're
making
staffs
making
a
recommendation
so
they'll
be
like
the
guidelines
for
window
yep
repairs
and
masonry
repairs.
I,
like
article
he's
like
number
eight
or
something
on
the
masonry
policy,
is
that
it
can
be
updated
by
us
and
I
was
wondering
if
a
like
how
we
go
about
doing
that.
P
If
that,
if
there's
a
particular
group
for
that
I
know
on
the
on
the
agenda,
there's
like
an
item
at
the
beginning
that
says
policy,
development
and
implementation.
So
is
that
a
thing
that
we
can
do?
Can
we
work
towards
updating
some
of
the
policy
as
well
as
adding
to
it?
I
mean
there's
no
provisions
for
roofing
when
someone
puts
a
roof
on
there's
no
policy
to
back
up
what
we
think
is
a
good
idea
and
that
might
help
moving
forward.
Brian.
E
M
E
A
L
Provide
a
bit
of
background
for
people,
so
this
request
did
come
from
Council,
that's
a
meeting
last
night.
So
what
would
be
is
requested
of
the
committee
is
to
put
forth
a
motion
requesting
that
the
heritage
properties
working
group
review
the
merits
of
seeking
heritage
protection.
So
that's
all
that
would
be
happening
at
this
meeting.
Is
that
basically,
this
request
would
go
to
heritage
property
to
examine.
So
it's
up
to
the
committee
whether
or
not
they
want
to
do
this,
but
it's
just
been
requested
by
Council.
So
take
that
into
consideration.
N
This
came
out
of
at
our
last
plan
committee
meeting
just
over
a
week
ago
or
ten
days
ago.
We
there
was
a
motion
that
came
up,
something
that
came
forward.
That
would
have
meant
a
demolition
of
this
property
to
18
Albert
Street.
Now
it's
on
the
longer
list
to
be
considered,
and
there
were
a
number
of
people
that
step
forward
at
at
the
public
meeting,
expressing
a
concern
and
an
understanding
that
this
property
had
heritage
merit
I'll.
N
Mr.
Bray
came
yesterday
and
delegation
to
speak
at
Council
to
speak
to
the
Heritage
merits
of
this,
and
it's
also
part
been
published
with
Jennifer
McHenry,
recognizing
it
as
a
property
with
merit.
So
this
motion
was
brought
forward
to
Council.
Yesterday,
a
motion
from
me
seconded
by
Rob
Hutchison,
recognising
asking
that
this
be
fast-tracked
through
the
heritage
properties
working
group.
N
N
N
Richard,
who
was
very
involved
turn-of-the-century
in
in
the
Queen's
community,
was
also
there,
the
most
recent
person
living
there
other
than
it's
now
a
student
rental,
but
was
John
myzel,
who
had
a
very
important
role
in
in
Kingston
over
the
years
so
so
from
I.
Think
it
very
much
deserves
some
consideration
and
recognition.
So
if
someone
wants.
A
A
A
N
Mm-Hmm
could
I
just
say
my
regrets
for
the
working
group
I
hate
having
suggested
something
going
to
the
working
group
and
then
I'm,
not
there,
but
I'll
be
in
Dublin.
So
I
guess
regrets
aren't
really
an
honest
term
I'll
be,
but
my
fellow
councillor
will
represent
the
city
and
what
transpired
at
at
council
at
that
working
group
meeting,
which
I
believe
is
next
week.
Thank
you
good.