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Heritage Kingston meeting from May 3, 2017. For the full meeting agenda visit https://goo.gl/znVywF
A
Good
morning,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
thanks
for
coming
to
the
Heritage
Kingston
meeting,
it's
it's
now
May
and
there's
beautiful
weather
around
the
corner,
but
saying
that
for
three
months
now
they
did
walk
here
today
anyway,
we'll
get
right
to
the
agenda.
The
first
thing
you
have
to
do.
Mr.
Kirk,
do
we
have
quorum.
Mr.
A
You
and
just
for
the
for
the
members
benefit.
How
many
do
we
need
to
maintain
for
the
balance
of
the
meeting?
Okay,
so
we're
at
minimum
quorum
right
now,
I
did
get
a
message
from
one
of
our
members
who
is
coming
but
will
be
late.
So
if
anyone
has
to
leave,
maybe
you
could
wait
until
these
other
member
gets
there
gets
here
before
you
do
so
we
need
to
approve
the
agenda,
so
I
need
a
mover
and
a
seconder
for
the
agenda.
A
That's
in
the
package
with
by
councillor
Schell
seconded
by
Peter,
so
you
see
the
order.
The
order
is
essentially
set
set,
it's
in
the
bylaw
for
committees.
So
that's
what's
in
this
order,
does
anyone
have?
Oh?
There
is
an
item
of
correspondence
to
add
if
you
should
have
on
your
desk.
Does
anyone
have
any
other
suggestions
or
comments
about
the
agenda
as
printed
yes
done?
Could.
D
A
Okay,
so
it's
a
timely
suggestion,
so
I
assume
it'll
be
included
in
the
next
package,
then
and
perhaps
circulated
by
email
before
then,
if
that's
possible
all
right.
Thank
you.
Any
other
questions
comments
all
right,
so
the
agenda
as
printed.
We
need
to
vote
on
it
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that
carries
so.
The
next
item
is
the
minutes.
From
last
meeting,
April
5th
need
a
mover
that
was
here
present
at
the
meeting
put
by
dawn
seconded
by
Councillor
she'll,
any
errors
or
omissions
of
those
minutes.
Yes,
dog
just.
C
The
sentence
the
agent
responded
that
the
chimney
will
be
removed,
as
it
is
not
an
original
feature
that
wasn't
my
recollection
of
what
he
said.
I
think
what
he
might
have
said
was
that
the
chimney
might
be
removed
and,
in
fact,
I
don't
think
he's
intending
to
remove
it.
So
if
you
change
will
be
too
might
be
removed.
E
A
I
think
I
recall
that
as
well
anything
else.
Okay,
then
we
will
vote
on
the
minutes
with
that
change,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that
carries
disclose
your
pecuniary
interest,
seeing
none.
There
are
no
presentations
or
delegations.
We
do
have
one
briefing
from
Miss,
Campbell
manager,
cultural
heritage.
Regarding
the
sesquicentennial
season
updates
from
the
city,
museums
and
I
guess
we
have
a
ten
minute
of
time
allotment
for
this
section
plus
questions.
Thank
you.
I.
F
Just
wanted
to
take
this,
take
this
opportunity
to
give
you
all
a
quick
update
about
the
sesquicentennial
seasons
that
are
about
to
begin
at
the
City
Museum,
but
that
also
includes
very
briefly
a
conversation
about
City
Hall's,
National
Historic
Site,
because
we
have
made
some
changes
to
the
way
that
we
will
be
interpreting
this
site
in
the
coming
season,
and
this
has
happened
as
a
result
of
consultation
with
a
number
of
different
groups,
including
the
cultural
heritage,
working
group.
That
is
part
of
this
committee.
So
we
have
heard
in
the
past
about
the
mayor's
portraits.
F
The
traditional
oil
painting,
portraits
that
are
available
in
City.
Hall
are
scheduled
to
be
rehung
and
Paul
has
spoken
about
this
before
Paul
Roberts
in
the
city
curator
about
the
reordering
of
those
portraits,
so
that
there's
a
more
sort
of
logical
order
and
presentation
of
those
pieces
sympathetic
to
that
rehanging.
We
also
have
the
niche
cases
that
will
have
new
objects
on
display
objects
that
are
being
drawn
largely
from
the
mayor's
gift
collection,
as
well
as
some
of
the
mayor's
change
of
office
that
have
not
been
on
display
in
recent
years
or
in
recent
time.
F
New.
This
season
and
I
sure
Paul
will
give
a
more
detailed
update
at
a
future
point.
Mr.
Johnny
McDonald
in
the
John
counter
rooms
downstairs
will
actually
be
converted
into
exhibition
space
for
the
duration
of
the
summer
season,
so
the
surge
on
a
room
will
be
a
conversation
about
Sir
John,
a
as
a
historic
and
important
figure
in
Canadian
history,
but
also
a
little
bit
problematic
for
some
people
in
terms
of
how
we
adjust
and
focus
that
history
in
a
modern
context.
F
So
we're
using
that
space
to
sort
of
tell
that
story
of
Sir
John
a
and
think
about
Sir
John
as
a
legacy
in
the
current
world.
The
John
countr
room
will
be
a
conversation
and
exhibition
about
governance
and
how
this
is
the
seat
of
active
governance,
and
so
we
will
be
looking
at.
When
did
the
voting
process
come
to
Kingston?
F
How
were
people
able
to
participate
in
that
over
time
and
what
are
sort
of
the
landmarks
for
our
local
story
of
how
governance
is
enacted
kind
of
appropriate,
given
that
we
have
the
by-election
occurring
at
this
time?
The
basement
gallery,
which
has
traditionally
been
referred
to
as
the
Royal
way,
is
being
replaced
for
this
season.
In
partnership
with
Kingston
emigrate
integration
partners.
F
It
will
be
a
meet
your
neighbour
exhibition,
so
looking
at
modern
Kingstonian,
who
are
part
of
the
diversity
of
modern
Kingston
and
telling
some
of
the
story
of
what
modern
Kingston
looks
like
today,
the
tourist
season
starts
May
23rd
and
will
run
through
October
12.
So
you
will
see
people
around
city
hall
during
those
times.
We
are
also
instigating
this
this
season,
basically
a
sticker
process.
F
So
if
you
are
at
City
Hall
with
a
degree
of
frequency-
and
you
see
somebody
with
a
yellow
sticker
on
the
third
floor,
that
is
an
indicator
that
they
should
not
be
on
the
third
floor
and
that
we
should
intervene
and
direct
them
back
to
the
first
floor,
where
they
are
allowed
to
be
on
a
self-guided
tour.
So,
as
I
said,
I
can't
talk
into
much
detail
about
any
of
this.
Given
the
time
constraint,
but
I
also
want
to
give
a
quick
update
about
the
pump
house.
F
The
pump
house
has
the
ongoing
renovation
work
on-site
if
you've
been
by
the
site.
Lately,
you
will
seen
that
the
rear
portion
this
picture
is
actually
outdated.
At
this
point,
there's
now
block
infill
they're,
getting
ready
to
put
up
the
glazed
panels,
so
the
work
that's
being
done
on-site
is
moving
along
quite
nicely.
Now,
here
again
is
the
artist's
rendering
for
what
the
rear
portion
of
the
building
will
look
like
this
came
to
heritage
Kingston
before,
given
that
this
is,
we
all
know,
is
a
designated
Heritage
Site.
F
The
show
that
is
opening
at
the
pump
house.
This
season
is
called
Kingston,
believe
it
or
not.
We
were
challenged
to
think
about
sesquicentennial
year
and
how
it
is
that
we
tell
Kingston's
story
through
objects
and
our
City
museums,
so
Kingston,
Believe,
It
or
Not
opens
on
May
20th.
The
site
will
be
open,
but
portions
of
it
will
not
be
accessible,
so
the
train
room
will
be
open.
The
pump
room
where
the
historic
pumps
are
located
will
be
open.
F
We
will
be
running
a
program
called
trains
and
tots
on
Tuesdays
to
replace
an
older
program
that
used
to
be
called
mummy
and
me.
We
will
also
have
fortnight
on
Thursdays
challenge-based,
but
the
core
show
is
Kingston,
believe
it
not
in
case
sooner
believe
it
or
not,
is
an
initiative
to
take
objects
that
are
not
often
on
display
via
any
of
the
museums
in
the
city
for
various
reasons.
Maybe
they
don't
match
the
mandate,
maybe
they
don't
have
the
space
to
put
them
on
display.
F
Maybe
they're
objects
that
were
in
personal
collections
that
aren't
part
of
curated
museum
collections,
so
I'm,
just
showing
you
two
here.
One
is
a
limestone
deposit
that
has
believe
it
or
not.
Challenge
is
that
people
think
it
looks
like
a
dinosaur
jaw.
So
it's
an
opportunity
to
talk
about
the
limestone
formations
that
are
so
important
to
the
city
of
kingston
and
then
on
the
right
hand,
side
is
actually
a
shield
from
the
KP
riots
that
was
constructed
out
of
a
food
tray
and
some
ladies
handbag
handles
that
were
available
in
the
workshops
on
the
site.
F
We
have
some
challenges
on
the
site,
one
of
which
is
running
programming,
so
programming
up
a
site
typically
involves
the
discovery
center,
which
right
now
is
inaccessible
due
to
that
renovation.
In
order
to
allow
for
programming
to
happen,
we
have
to
have
space
to
store
those
supplies,
spaces
for
those
students
to
gather
etc,
and
one
of
the
solutions
that
we've
been
working
toward
is
moving
the
art
box.
The
art
box-
some
of
you
may
be
familiar
with
it-
has
been
out
in
the
community
for
two
years
now.
F
So
we
had
an
opportunity
and
the
opportunity
that
we're
working
on
right
now
is
whether
or
not
we
can
move
the
art
box
to
the
front
yard
of
the
pump
house
temporarily
in
order
to
run
summer
programming
out
of
the
box,
and
then
it
will
be
removed
when
the
site
reopens
in
September,
and
we
can
then
get
back
our
programmatic
spaces.
There
is
a
potential
that
there
will
be
some
damage
done
to
the
front
lawn
and
we
know
this,
but
we
also
have,
in
the
project
earmarked
budget
for
landscape
and
repair
to
the
front
lawn.
F
So
for
us,
this
is
mechanism
to
allow
programming
to
continue
at
the
site
in
a
way
that
is
engaging
that
marries
art
to
the
museum
experience.
We
often
speak
in
the
tagline
of
hands-on
history,
so
we're
really
excited
about
this,
because
it
allows
us
to
really
activate
the
space
in
this
time
when
the
rear
portion
won't
be
open.
I
also
just
wanted
to
give
you
what
we
get
so
excited
every
time
we
get
an
update
where
things
are
getting
done.
If
any
of
you
remember
and
I
apologize,
I,
don't
have
a
better
image
of
this.
F
If
you
remember,
there
was
like
a
green,
almost
like
a
little
green
bridge
that
took
you
to
the
front
door
of
the
site,
presented
a
real
accessibility
concern,
and
so
we
did
grading
and
basically
leveled
out
so
that
the
sidewalk
actually
goes
up
to
the
front
door
and
offers
a
very
large
pad
that
makes
it
very
accessible
for
anyone
in
a
motorized,
wheelchair
or
otherwise.
The
door
will
also
be
activated
remotely.
So
we're
very
excited
about
this.
I
just
wanted
to
share
this.
F
We
will
be
installing
this
panel
that
you
see
right
here
will
be
reinstalled
just
here.
Parallel
to
this
edge
of
the
sidewalk,
there
used
to
be
a
secondary
panel.
That
is
essentially
behind
this
sign
that
used
to
sort
of
sit
behind
the
sign
on
the
sidewalk
up
to
the
ramp,
we're
actually
removing
that
sign,
so
it
will
not
be
returning
to
the
site.
It's
outdated.
The
material
on
it
is
no
longer
appropriate
for
the
museum,
so
we've
decided
to
remove
it
just
a
little
foreshadowing
very
quickly.
F
The
pump
house
will
open
reopen
in
a
grand
reopening
with
all
of
the
new
spaces
coming
online,
new
installations
etc.
On
September
7th
we
will
have
out
of
the
vaults,
which
is
an
art
show
coming
on.
These
are
objects
there
in
the
Kingston
vaults
that
are
part
of
the
Civic
Collection
that
rarely
go
out
on
display.
The
Agnes
is
very
kind
to
store
them
for
us,
but
they
often
aren't
in
a
position
to
put
them
out.
So
we
will
have
the
out
of
the
vault.
We
will
have
the
Discovery
Center
reopening.
F
Okay,
so
very
quickly,
then,
of
course
we
have
a
sister
Museum,
The
McLaughlin
woodworking
museum.
The
show
that
is
opening
up
in
the
block
line
and
is
open
actually
currently
and
will
be
running
on
number
third
is
one
degree
of
separation,
one
degree
of
separation.
If
some,
if
the
pump
house
is
telling
the
stories
of
objects,
you
rarely
hear
the
McLaughlin
is
saying
how
two
objects
relate
to
each
other
and
tell
us
a
story
about
ourselves.
So
the
play
here
you
may
have
heard
you
know
six
or
seven
degrees
of
separation.
F
Kevin
Bacon
is
often
referenced
in
that
this
is
about
one
degree
of
separation
and
that,
basically,
all
the
objects
we
have
in
our
collections
can
be
connected
by
one
degree,
and
so
it
challenges
you
to
think
about
the
ways.
Those
objects
relate
there's
a
degree
of
Technology.
They.
You
have
an
rfid
tag.
If
you
know
what
that
is,
it
will
basically
digitally
track
your
movement
through
the
museum
and
you
will
feed
into
a
co-curated
museum
experience.
It's
very
hands-on.
It's
very
participatory.
F
The
objects
are
themselves
no
less
compelling
than
those
that
are
happening
at
the
pump
house,
but
the
framing
around
them
is
slightly
different
and
these
are
intended
to
play
off
each
other.
We
actually
have
programming.
Some
are
educational
programming
at
both
sites.
That
actually
speaks
to
both
of
the
exhibitions
for
the
first
time.
So
we're
trying
to
draw
these
two
pieces
together
to
have
a
more
cohesive
experience.
F
The
McLaughlin
continues
to
run
workshops.
There
are
a
number
of
them
happening
this
summer,
related
to
woodworking
and
handcraft
skills.
These
are
available
to
register
for
for
con
class.
If
you're
interested
they're
also
available
on
our
website,
you
can
link,
through
the
website
to
the
class
system
to
register
paddle
making
is
incredibly
popular,
I
believe
it's
already
filled,
but
so
we're
looking
right
now
at
overflow
dates.
So
this
is
where
you
actually
would
build
your
own
paddle
people
really
seem
quite
interested
in
that
one.
F
A
little
forward
of
shadowing
lumberjack
will
run
a
game.
This
fall
September
23rd
through
24th
the
lumberjack
survival.
Summit
is
one
of
our
strongest
media
communications
pieces
coming
out
of
the
cultural
services
cultural
heritage
team.
We
get
incredible
engagement
on
this.
We
have
35
participants,
take
part
in
a
two-day
basically
skills,
building
activity
series
on
the
site
they
camp
overnight.
They
get
an
incredibly
immersive
experience
and
learn
a
number
of
things.
F
One
of
our
challenges
moving
forward
is
actually
that
it
could
grow,
but
we
aren't
quite
sure
how
we
would
support
its
growth,
but
maintain
the
deep
love
of
impactful
training
that
these
people
are
getting.
So
we've
already
posted
this
to
social
media.
It
is
already
our
most
engaged
piece
on
our
social
media
right
now,
I'm
just
speaking
again
to
the
strength
of
this
content
delivery.
We
are
renaming
it
this
year,
though
survival
summit
does
seem
to
be
a
little
intimidating
for
participants
very
quickly.
F
Then
new,
at
both
museums,
we're
running
curator
led
tours
on
select
Saturdays
throughout
the
summer.
This
is
an
opportunity
in
the
sesquicentennial
year
to
have
those
stories.
Those
deeper
histories
of
those
exhibitions
that
are
too
deep
and
detailed
put
into
panels
have
a
curator,
actually
walk
you
through
the
exhibitions
and
talk
to
you
deeply
about
the
stories
that
they
learned
as
part
of
that
creation
process
of
the
show.
We
also
have
website
updates
happening.
You
will
see
that
our
websites
right
now
have
been
changed
to
parallel
each
other.
F
They
look
like
mirrors
of
each
other
in
terms
of
their
content,
and
we
will
now
be
doing
an
overhaul
of
their
visual
identity.
This
will
leak
over
into
our
social
media
as
well,
and
finally,
we
have
an
integrated
summer
student
team
working
at
the
sites
this
summer.
For
the
first
time,
we
have
12
summer
students
who
have
been
hired
to
what
we
call
chips,
our
cultural
heritage,
interpretation
and
programming
students,
and
they
will
be
working
at
both
of
the
museum
sites
as
well
as
at
City
Hall
and
again.
F
This
is
an
effort
to
ensure
that
we
are
able
to
offer
the
best
programming
we
can't
weekend
and
in
a
given
moment
and
not
be
limited
by
very
restrictive
job
positions
and
have
that
ability
to
speak
across
our
site.
So
this
is
happening
at
the
pump
house.
This
is
happening
at
the
McLaughlin
and
having
that
crosstalk
being
able
to
happen.
G
F
It's
the
same,
so
we
do
abide
by
the
fee
schedule.
Bylaw
that
comes
out
and
in
there
we
do
have
family
passes
and
season
passes
available
for
both
of
the
sites,
they're,
very
economical,
and
we
do
encourage
people
to
purchase
a
pass
if
they're
interested.
If
you
intend
to
visit
the
sites
more
than
twice
they're,
really
the
best
way
to
kind
of
get
the
best
money
for
your
best
experience
for
your
money,
Leslie.
A
Okay,
we're
now
up
to
business
the
first
item
in
the
first
cup
of
our
pace
holders
that
are
not
they
do
not
have
business
items
that
we're
going
to
discuss
today
and
the
first
one
with
an
item
is
the
business
D,
which
is
statutory
business.
The
first
is
an
item
to
do
with
the
Heritage
easement
agreement,
section
37
of
the
Heritage
Act
322,
322,
King,
Street,
East
and
there's
recommendation,
and
it
will
be
introduced
by
Stein
go
ahead.
Thank.
H
You,
mr.
chair,
yes,
this
application
is
for
to
enter
into
a
heritage
conservation,
easement
agreement
for
the
property
at
323,
22
King,
Street
East.
This
property
is
known
as
the
Masonic
buildings.
It's
located
mid
block
between
Brock
and
Clarence
streets
across
from
Kingston
city
hall.
It
contains
a
three-story
red
brick,
commercial
building,
constructed
in
1869
and
the
property
is
designated
under
part.
H
The
easement
would
also
define
a
separate
process
for
the
applicant
to
obtain
approval
from
the
city
when
seeking
to
change
their
different
pieces
of
art,
and
this
process
would
be
the
same
as
the
process
for
any
alteration,
minor
alteration
that
would
go
through
at
the
staff
level.
Under
the
procedural
bylaw
for
Heritage,
the
applicant
has
submitted
a
proposal
illustrating
the
location,
the
material
and
the
size
of
the
brackets
and
the
light
fixture
types,
as
well
as
an
example
of
the
type
of
art
they
are
proposing.
H
The
proposed
pieces
of
art
will
be
non
combustible,
approximately
7
feet
in
height,
22,
inches
wide
and
8
inches
deep
and
weigh
approximately
30
to
40
pounds.
The
applicant
has
indicated
that
the
brackets
will
be
fastened
to
the
building
facade
within
the
mortar
joint
to
meet
the
city's
masonry
policy.
H
So,
in
light
of
this
building
being
an
art
gallery
and
recognizing
the
proposed
manner
in
which
the
art
would
be
fixed
to
the
exterior
staff
were
initially
quite
supportive
of
this
proposal.
However,
since
it
required
the
ability
to
substitute
different
pieces
throughout
the
year,
there
were
some
concerns
with
respect
to
protecting
the
heritage,
attributes
of
the
building
and
the
Market
Square
district.
Since
subsequent
art
could
have
different
configurations
on
the
facade.
H
Currently,
there
are
no
policies
in
the
Market
Square
district
plan
that
speaks
specifically
to
such
a
proposal
and
the
city's
procedural
bylaws
for
Heritage
doesn't
include
the
public
art
as
a
specific
provision
as
well.
However,
this
easement
agreement
offers
a
way
to
address
this
issue,
especially
in
terms
of
timing.
Since
art
wouldn't
exactly
be
finished
until
they
are,
the
artist
was
finished,
creating
the
piece.
H
Staff
have
been
working
with
engineering
and
building
to
review
any
safety
and
safety
concerns
from
that
perspective,
to
ensure
there'll
be
no
impacts
on
the
heritage
attributes
and
also
from
the
sidewalk
below
and
I'll.
Just
note
that
this
Agreement
only
pertains
to
the
exterior
this
exhibition.
Space.
H
Which
is
basically
a
rectangle
in
between
the
two
windows
on
the
second
story,
any
alterations,
any
other
alterations
would
require
approval
through
the
regular
heritage
permit
process.
So
this
building
is
designated
under
part
five
of
the
Heritage
Act
as
part
of
the
part
of
the
Market
Square
plan.
It
has
been
identified
as
a
valuable
example
of
19th
century
commercial
block
architecture
in
Kingston
and
the
property
inventory
and
statement
of
significance.
H
Note
that
simplified
brick,
Italian
anti
influence
with
a
stone
base
and
smooth
brickwork
above
the
key
exterior
features
include
the
arch
window,
openings
with
buff
colored,
brick,
arches
and
coin
edge
treatments,
so
alterations
to
heritage.
Buildings
can
have
a
negative
impact
on
the
character
of
the
district
and
the
building
itself,
and,
as
such,
this
proposal
will
need
to
meet
all
the
city's
policies
bylaws
and
guidelines.
H
H
The
applicant
has
indicated
that
the
fixtures
will
be
capable
of
white
and
colored
light
and
staff
have
specified
within
the
easement
terms
that
any
white
light
shall
be
warm
and
the
intensity
of
color
shall
be
adjusted
to
mitigate
any
potential
light
pollution
in
order
to
be
appropriate
in
the
heritage.
Setting
the
heritage
conservation
plan
policies
on
land
use
also
note
that
community
activities
are
integral
to
the
cultural
heritage,
value
and
meaning
of
the
district
and
shall
be
encouraged
and
promoted.
H
An
art
and
visual
elements,
such
as
signage
in
in
conservation
districts,
can
provide
interesting
features
that
reflect
the
cultural
significance
in
the
community
and
staff
are
of
the
opinion
that
the
appreciation
of
public
art
and
understanding
of
these
features
from
the
public
realm
is
an
example
of
such
a
community
activity.
That
should
also
be
encouraged.
H
H
H
However,
since
the
plan
provides
broad
direction
for
such
an
installation-
and
it
requires
such
a
minor
alteration
to
the
building
staff
would
be
reviewing
any
subsequent
art
to
ensure
that
the
Heritage
attributes
of
the
building
in
the
district
would
not
be
impacted
without
really
commenting
on
the
art
itself.
This
application
was
also
circulated
to
the
director
of
cultural
services,
who
pointed
to
some
other
precedents
in
the
in
the
area
for
public
art.
H
He
also
expressed
some
concern
for
lighting
of
this
piece,
given
that
there,
the
art
gallery,
uses
the
window
to
the
left
of
where
they're
proposing
to
highlight
some
art
from
the
interior,
and
this
was
also
discussed
with
the
applicant,
and
they
have
advised
that
this
was
once
more
of
a
priority
when
they
were
only
on
a
couple
of
the
levels
of
the
building,
but
now
that
they
own
all
three.
This
would
be
less
of
a
priority,
especially
if
this
application
moves
forward.
So.
H
Given
that
proposed
a
material,
a
method
of
installation
staff,
of
the
opinion
that
the
installation
of
the
two
new
brackets
will
have
no
negative
impact
on
the
heritage
value
of
the
building
and
give
them
the
commercial
nature
and
identity
of
Market
Square
staff
are
also
the
opinion
that
the
proposal
will
fit
compatibly
with
the
district
sense
of
character
and
will
meet
this
adept
objectives
of
the
district
plan.
Policies.
E
Thank
you,
I
find
myself
a
little
bit
puzzled
by
this,
and
particularly
one
of
the
puzzles
arises
from
the
decision
of
a
building
division
that
this
proposal
does
not
meet
the
criteria
for
a
sign.
The
signs
I
mean
the
bylaws
on
the
sign.
Our
business
suggests
that
it
doesn't
have
to
be
words,
it
can
be
a
symbol,
and
surely
this
is
a
symbol.
Mike.
A
H
E
A
I
Yes,
future,
one
of
the
aspects
of
this
and
we've
encountered
this
with
other
types
of
city
signage,
is
that
this
is
artistic
expression.
One
of
things
there's
also
a
place.
That
is
constitutionally
protected
expression,
so,
whereas
the
scientists
to
be
about
commercial
activity
which
can
be
regulated
when
we
move
into
pure
artistic
expression,
you
have
a
greater
challenge
to
regulate
it
because
of
the
constitutional
protection
of
expression
in
public
spaces.
E
A
J
Thank
you
just
one
specific
question
about
lighting:
it's
it's
clear
how
the
brackets
will
go
in
the
wall,
but
it
suggests
that
the
lighting
will
be
powered
by
an
interior
source.
So
is
there
any
indication
as
to
how
that
interior
is
getting
to
the
exterior
a
number
of
passages
through
the
wall?
Is
it
through
brick
or
is
it
through
wood?
How
will
the
electrical
service
get
from
interior
to
exterior
miss.
A
K
My
name
is
Allie
Jacob
I'm
Manor,
with
my
partner
of
studio
22.
It's
my
understanding,
talking
to
my
electricians
that
we
would
be
looking
at
a
direct
route
from
the
edge
the
ledge,
where
the
lighting
sits
directly
into
the
building,
which
sits
on
the
second
floor
and
can
be
a
single
point
in
to
the
building
so
that
there's
no
conduit
on
the
outside.
A
H
I
think
you
mature
at
the
missionary
policy,
does
speak
to
going
through
the
mortar
joint.
Similarly,
if
you
were
going
to
attach
a
sign
or
something
else,
so
in
this
way,
the
easement
terms
would
be
that
anything
to
do
with
the
masonry
would
need
to
meet
the
masonry
policy,
so
it
would
need
to
meet
those
policies
of
law
provisions
as
well
I.
A
C
Notice
the
nature
of
white
light
is
some
described
as
being
through
warm
white,
not
cool
white,
but
the
words
in
the
page
25.
Where
refers
to
this,
who
leaves
open
the
question
of
using
colored
lights
and
I
guess
a
little
surprise.
There's
no
statement
on
any
restriction
on
the
use
of
colored
lights.
What's
the
planning
there.
H
H
So
the
the
intent
of
this,
the
way
this
application
would
work
is,
it
would
be
the
same
as
any
other
minor
alteration.
The
applicant
would
submit
an
application
through
and
it
would
be
circulated
internally
through
the
building
department
and
engineering
departments
and
also
cultural
services.
So
the
Director
of
Planning
building
and
licensing
in
consultation
with
cultural
services
would
be
giving
the
final
approval.
H
A
L
Thank
You
mr.
chair
on
thanks
to
the
presentation
and
the
report,
a
lot
of
very
important
detail
in
there
on
so
I'm,
going
to
support
the
idea.
I
think
it's
very
creative
with
fit
in
well
with
the
cecily
lighting
plan
for
City,
Hall
and
virus.
That's
been
discussed
and
approved
already
I'm,
not
an
expert
on
arts.
I
do
appreciate
the
talent
that
others
have,
but
I,
don't
sure.
That's
why
stand
there
and
I
mean
with
a
concern
that
it
could
be
used
as
a
way
of
mini
attracting
controversy?
L
Should
the
artists
wish
to
do
so,
I
mean
often
art
that
is
interesting,
is
controversial
and
vice
versa
and
everybody
is
their
own
judge
of
what
they
like.
What
they
don't
like
of
this
ring,
so
I
think
that
the
after
proposal
does
merit
support
I
want
to
wish
them
well,
but
just
hoping
it
doesn't
turn
into
something
that
strange
and
would
draw
attention
in
the
wrong
way
like
putting
up
a
doodle
for
Johnny
McDonald,
for
example,
might
be
two
wrong
hooks
on
that.
But
you
know
we.
L
A
M
The
whole
business
of
getting
moisture
in
a
sculpture
and
then
pieces
falling
off
I
know
we
just
have
one
painting
outside
the
pilothouse,
which
was
a
copy
of
the
Turner
fighting
Temeraire,
and
it
was
a
wonderful
painting,
but
eventually
it
had
to
come
in
because
the
weather
got
the
better
of
it
and
so
and
I
do
think.
You
know
it's
a
chunk
of
the
sculpture,
because
they're
usually
done
often
done
on
an
armature
and
so
they're
applied
and
pieces
could
fall
off
and
that's
a
worry.
H
Yes,
thank
you.
Mr.
chair
there's,
no
restriction
on
material
in
the
term.
There
is
a
restriction
on
weight
it.
It
won't
be
more
than
300
pounds,
which
is
the
limit
for
similar
signage
through
the
sign,
it's
informed
by
the
sign
bylaw,
and
if
it
was
to
be
more
than
that,
they
would
need
to
have
engineering
drawings.
But
this
is
something
that
would
be
addressed
to
the
encroachment
permit
through
engineering.
A
But
any
other
comments
or
questions
for
members
of
the
public,
seeing
none.
Thank
you
very
much.
So
we're
back
to
the
recommendation.
That's
in
the
package
just
to
give
further
context.
So
what
you
have
here
is
a
legal
agreement
called
a
heritage,
easement
agreement
and
council
rules
on
it.
So
at
this
point
we
are
an
advisory
capacity
council
about
the
appropriateness
of
the
agreement,
and
so
the
yes
or
no
question
really.
If
what
do
we
advise
them
to
to
give
the
okay
for
the
agreement?
E
E
The
major
problem
I
have
with
supporting
this
particular
easement,
is
that
if
we
allow
art
on
front
of
this
building-
and
it's
declared
the
art
and
not
sign,
how
are
we
going
to
prevent
other
merchants
saw
from
saying
well,
I
would
like
art
on
the
front
of
my
building
and
it
might
be
a
Big
Mac
or
it
might
be
a
piece
of
graffiti
or
it
might
be
something
very
vulgar,
and
but
it's
art,
and
since
we're
not
in
the
business
of
you
know
of
judging
the
art.
That's
on
the
wall.
E
I
wonder
how
if
this
is,
is
not
I'm
worried
that
this
is
car
is
an
invitation
to
every
merchant
to
to
think
that
that
they
have
a
right
to
have
art
on
the
wall
and
if,
if
we,
if
we
acknowledge
this,
I'm,
not
sure
that
we
have
a
principle
to
deny
to
deny
anyone
else
and
I
worry
about
that.
So
I
am
I'm
very
hesitant
to
support
this,
not
because
I
think
the
easement
in
itself.
E
A
You
Peter
actually
and
I
apologize.
We
should
move
and
second
the
recommendation
so
that
we
can
debate
it,
but
I'm
going
to
consider
your
comments
in
that
context,
moved
by
max
seconded
by
Don.
That
should
have
happened
before
your
comment
so
and
and
you're
you're,
bringing
up
the
the
precedent
is,
is
in
order.
That's
exactly
the
kind
of
thing
that
we're
supposed
to
be
considering
the
the
precedent
this
might
set
from
a
heritage
point
of
view,
so
so
that
you're
right
to
bring
that
up.
A
J
I,
try
to
think
of
it
from
the
point
of
view
of
applicant
wants
to
display
art
and
what
this
does
is
accurately
describe
a
way
in
which
art
may
be
attached
and
a
ball.
You
meup
space
that
can
be
used
to
display
such
art,
so
I
think
this
is
a
practical
guidance
to
how
to
give
space
to
public,
so
to
speak
for
their
distribution
of
art.
J
It
is
quite
a
limited
application
and
and
I
understand
that
that
that
that
is
the
the
the
brackets
on
wall
and
light
and
limited
amount
of
light
to
illustrate
the
art,
so
I
think
there
are
appropriate
limitations
proposed.
That
would
limit
such
an
opportunity
to
display
art,
but
I
think
it
is
an
appropriate
application.
G
Thank
You
mr.
chair
I
also
support
this
wholeheartedly.
I
was
thinking
of
the
big
picture
windows
at
Studio.
22
on
the
ground
floor
is
a
much
better
spot
to
have
something
really
controversial,
because
people
are
just
walking
right
by
the
archaeological
foundation.
The
city
of
kingston
gave
them
a
grant
to
produce
a
really
nice
piece
of
sculpture
that
was
on
their
wall
when
they
were
on
princess
street
through
a
grant
in
the
arts.
G
The
alleyway
behind
xinhua
has
that
wonderful,
sculpture
of
the
laundry
up
high
it's
you
know,
and
then
the
pump
house
a
couple
of
years
ago
they
had
Shane
darks
sculpture
in
the
front,
which
is
the
blue
wood
that
was
up
in
the
tree,
and
you
know
people
would
walk
by
and
said
be
surprised
by
it.
It
was
terrific.
G
C
A
A
Yes,
so
the
correct
level
for
the
amendment
is
on
the
level
of
where
the
recommendation
is
in
the
package.
So
it's
right
up
right
on
the
top,
not
in
the
agreement.
The
agreement
as
stance
goes
as
an
exhibit,
and
then
you
would
be
adding
a
second
clause
to
the
recommendation
so,
for
example,
whatever
it
is
that
you,
the
change
that
you
see,
you
would
have
to
write
it
as
a
separate
clause
after
the
first
recommendation
and
that
the
agreement
be
altered
in
this
way.
C
I'm
sort
of
concerned
that
there
you
know
it's
being
blocked
or
filtered
or
something
like
that,
but
it
you
know
this
is
a
I,
think,
a
sensible
amendment
and
I'm
sure
staff
can
deal
with
it
sensibly.
That
I'd
like
to
you
know
make
the
statement
that
there's
no
reason
I
see
no
reason.
I,
don't
accept
any
reason
that
we
can't
make
amendments
to
the
aspects
that
deal
with
the
Heritage
attributes
so
but.
J
N
C
C
Well,
you
know,
I'll
give
it
to
you
mean
I've
written
as
a
as
a
replacement
of
one
clause
with
a
new
clause
mean
and
I'll
leave
it
to
staff
how
they
want
to
deal
with
it.
If
you
want
to
project
that
might
be
useful,
it's
really
quite
simple,
then
the
clause
for
says
any
quite
light
shall
be
warm
white
light,
ie,
naught
incandescent
or
daylight,
approximately
3000
Kelvin
and
the
intensity
and
color
shall
be
adjusted
so
as
to
mitigate
potential
light
pollution.
C
C
A
C
A
A
D
Certainly,
thank
you
and
three.
Mr.
chair,
the
the
proposed
amendment
seems
fine
from
the
staffs
point
of
view.
It
doesn't
contradict
any
of
the
policies
of
the
Heritage
Conservation
District
plan
and,
in
fact,
I
think
some
of
the
language
to
surion
stills,
the
the
expectation
of
staff
was
particularly
with
respect
to
the
light
being
consistent
and
not
being
flashing
or
moving
so
I.
Think
it's
a
good
amendment
and
staff
would
support
its
addition.
A
E
B
Mccloud
explained
to
the
chair
and
I
that
the
amendment
will
be
made
to
the
recommendation
itself,
as
the
committee
does
not
have
the
ability
to
change
the
sment
agreement,
which
is
Exhibit
D.
So
the
first
Clause
of
the
recommendation
will
appear
as
a
reasoning
agenda
and
then
there'll
be
a
second
clause
that
says
that
counsel
give
consideration
to
the
following
edition
or
the
new
proposed
wording
to
the
amendment,
and
then
it
will
list
the
paragraphs
as
prepared
by
mr.
thank.
E
A
So
so
counsel
shall
and
I
and
the
rest
of
the
councillors
will
see
the
recommendation
they
see
in
the
package
if
it
passes,
cost
another
clause
with
Don's
wording
and
the
explanation
that
it
replaces
that
particular
part
of
the
agreement
and
that's
what
we
would
be
considering.
Yes,
Sherman.
Okay,
sorry,
mr.
Newman
had
a
further
comment.
Sorry.
D
J
B
A
A
So
all
those
in
favor
and
that
carries
unanimously
thing.
Thank
you.
So
the
recommendation
now
reads:
the
council
approved
the
bylaw
to
enact
a
heritage
conservation
easement
under
Section
37,
M
terror,
terror
attack
for
the
protected
heritage,
property
located
at
322,
22
King
Street
East
attached
as
Exhibit
D
to
report
number
H,
K
17
deserve
0-2,
and
that
council
and.
B
The
council
will
give
consideration
to
the
following
amendment
to
the
easement
agreement,
which
is
to
replace
4.0
J
Clause
4
by
any
white
light
shall
be
warm
white,
maximum
color,
color
temperature,
3,000
degrees
Kelvin.
Any
colored
light
shall
be
sympathetic
to
heritage
colors
in
the
vicinity.
Lighting
shall
be
studied
not
flashing
or
moving.
The
intensity
of
any
light
shall
be
adjusted
so
as
to
mitigate
light
pollution
and
that's
the
end
of
a
clause.
A
C
You
know,
as
it's
been
mentioned,
this
is
a
rather
unusual
situation
and
I
have
sympathy
with
staff
trying
to
find
mechanism
to
that.
You
know,
fits
all
the
requirements
and
is
convenient
and
satisfies
heritage,
satisfies
the
applicants
and
the
city,
and
so
on.
I
have
to
say,
I,
don't
think
this
is
the
best
solution.
C
We
have
a
process
of
heritage,
permit
applications
and
I,
don't
see
that
it
couldn't
be
it's
a
bit
unconventional,
but
I,
don't
see
that
can't
be
made
to
work
to
everyone's
satisfaction.
The
the
issues
from
a
heritage,
point
viewers,
first
of
all,
whether
the
artwork
might
significantly
conceal
the
heritage
attributes
of
the
building
or,
on
the
other
hand,
whether
it
might
be
inconsistent
incompatible
with
the
square,
with
the
district,
with
the
heritage
objectives
of
the
districts
in
the
appearance
of
the
square
and
so
on.
C
C
This
committee
is
concerned
with
the
question
of
jurisdiction,
has
been
changing
in
the
previous
years,
used
to
be
that
for
a
district
such
as
this
Oh
permit
applications
came
to
the
committee,
and
then
we
had
on
the
advice
of
legal.
That
know
the
city
has
nothing
to
do
with
heritage,
permanent
applications
in
a
district,
and
now
in
then
later
we
had
an
agreement
that
says
that,
yes,
in.
C
A
To
clarify
for
members
of
the
committee
in
the
public,
it
there's
actually
three
different
protesters
that
we
consider
that
the
Herricks
permit
applications,
which
this
is
not
the
suggestions
to
council
in
heritage
district,
which
is
an
optional
process
that
is
separate
as
well,
although
this
is
in
a
heritage
district,
that's
not
the
process
that
we're
following,
because
this
is
a
heritage.
Easement
agreement
under
Section,
37
and
section
37
is
yet
is
another
process,
and
so
so
there's
actually
three
different
processes,
which
is.
Why
was
a
little
challenging
for
us
to
understand?
C
A
C
A
C
Just
to
wind
up
so
to
speak,
I,
don't
see
why
the
applicants,
you
know
each
time
they
want
to
change
the
art,
they
can
submit
a
permit
application
and
if
we
follow
the
current
sort
of
guidelines
and
procedures,
staff
can
circulate
it
through
to
this
committee
and
we
could
say:
yeah,
it's
alright,
it's
wonderful,
I,
don't
imagine
we're
going
to
object,
but
I
do
know.
There
may
be
some
unusual
circumstances
where
there
might
be
concerns,
but
we
have
a
mechanism
I
think
it
works
that
will
work
can
be
made
to
work.
A
O
A
J
J
Where
there's
a
time
limit,
this
has
been
taken
a
lot
of
time,
so
I'm
just
wondering
if,
if
if
it
might
be
better
that
the
creation
of
this
Agreement
actually
be
reviewed
by
committee,
not
the
agreement
itself
once
complete,
so
that
committee
has
input
on
the
creation
of
the
agreement
rather
than
the
written
agreement.
Once
final,
then
there's
work,
there's
relative
input
yet.
A
Well,
that
your
comment
is
being
recorded
by
the
Kirk,
but
suggestions
to
a
different
process
to
follow
that,
rather
than
this
one
are
not
relevant
to
the
passing
of
this
recommendation.
We
have
that's.
What's
on
the
floor,
we
have
a
recommendation
on
the
floor.
If,
if
these
kinds
of
comments,
maybe
should
continue
with
the
discussion
of
staff
offline
for
the
next
time
a
heritage
easement
is
proposed
in
this.
P
This
is
just
a
general
comment
about
the
application
and
I
fully
support.
It.
I
think
it's
great
and
outside
of
taking
reasonable
precautions
to
protect
the
Heritage
attributes
and
the
building
itself.
I
just
want
to
highlight
the
wonderful
opportunity,
the
installation
of
public
art.
In
this
way
it
means
to
interpret
the
building
and
to
create
a
conceptual
juxtaposition
with
its
heritage
attributes
and
whether
people
love
it
or
hate.
It
is
going
to
generate
conversation
and
people
are
going
to
be
re.
C
You
know
the
sort
of
underlying
intention
of
a
Ontario,
Heritage,
Act
and
so
on
is
that
the
voice
of
the
commutable
heritage
belongs
to
the
community,
and
this
committee
is
an
opportunity
for
the
community
to
provide
input
to
council
on
decisions
like
this
and
this
easement
agreement.
Although
its
own
tempest
in
a
teapot,
you
might
say
the
tea
cup
is
taking
away
the
authority
of
this
committee
to
have
any
input
in
into
the
decision
as
to
whether
to
approve
or
not
approve
a
piece
of
art.
For
that
reason,
I'm
going
to
vote
against.
Thank.
A
E
Is
really
a
question
information
emma
is
my
reading
of
the
easement
agreement,
correct
in
my
conclusion
that
the
staffs
are
not
going
to
judge
the
suitability
of
the
artwork
on
any
other
grounds,
but
that
it
meets
the
criteria
as
set
out
in
the
easement
which
are
size
and
weight,
and,
and
things
like
that,
I
didn't
see.
Anything
in
the
easement
which
I
took
to
to
involve
artistic
judgment
on
the
part
of
the
of
the
staff.
Am
I
correct
in
that.
A
It's
a
connection,
question
Peter,
but
again
not
relevant
to
the
recommendation.
That's
on
the
floor
that
art
is
protected
as
freedom
expression
under
the
Constitution.
That's
that's.
We
are
all
subject
to
that
law
and
we
don't
have
to
agree
with
it.
It's
just
the
way
it
is
the
commercial
hurdle.
Did
you
have
something
to
say
thank.
Q
You
in
three
mr.
chair
I
just
want
to
clarify
for
the
committee
that
there
will
be
public
input
in
this
election.
There
is
a
public
art
working
group
that
will
be
involved
in
this
election,
so
recognizing
this
is
about
public
art,
so
I
just
want
to
reassure
the
committee
and
the
community
that
this
is
not
going
to
be
just
one
or
two
staff
members
selecting,
but
the
community
will
be
involved
as
well.
A
Q
A
A
R
You
mr.
chair,
the
subject:
property
is
71
rock
streets
on
the
north
side
of
Rock
Street
between
King,
Street,
East
and
Wellington.
The
application
for
alteration
is
under
section
33
of
the
Act
and
has
been
submitted
to
request
an
alteration
to
the
rear
stone
wall
opening
at
71
Brock
Street,
which
looks
like
that.
R
The
alteration
proposed
includes
the
expansion
of
the
existing
opening
and
limestone
wall.
The
construction
of
concrete
steps
created
at
the
base
1
will
be
at
the
grade
of
of
the
rear
yard
of
73,
a
new
metal
gate
with
the
latching
mechanism
and
steel
rails.
Handrail
is
proposed
and
these
details
are
are
in
your
agenda
package.
The
property
is
designated
under
part
4
of
the
Heritage
Act
in
1981.
R
And
while
the
designation
vial
offers
71
brach
Street
does
not
specifically
mention
this
rear
Stonewall.
The
feature
is
an
early
and/or
original
feature
and
adds
to
the
character
of
the
property.
The
existing
opening
has
stone
whose
VARs,
as
well
as
a
heavy
timber
lintel
that
are
to
be
retained
in
order
to
meet
the
building
code.
The
rear
exit
handrail
is
required
and
to
clarify
in
the
report,
given
the
proposed
width
now
that
it's
been
reduced
with
the
gate
mechanism,
the
handrail
is
only
proposed
or
required
actually
on
the
one
side.
R
R
Further,
a
high
contrast
strip
is
required
at
the
nose
of
the
stairs
in
order
to
meet
the
building
code
requirements.
Staff
have
communicated
with
the
applicant
of
preference
to
use
a
tape
as
opposed
to
paint
for
a
reversibility
purposes.
Staff
also
understand
that
black
is
a
high
contrast,
color
and
recommend
that
in
lieu
of
bright
color
such
as
yellow
in
this
situation,
the
proposed
steps
are
to
be
concrete,
with
limestone
risers
and
staffed
an
object
to
the
proposed
use
of
concrete.
R
As
this
is
a
modern
intervention
into
an
established
heritage
fabric,
the
concrete
will
also
help
to
clearly
distinguish
the
old
wall
from
the
new
intervention
in
keeping
with
best
practices.
The
use
of
bright
white
concrete,
however,
is
discouraged
as
it
will
track
from
the
heritage.
Value
of
the
structure
and
staff
have
included
a
condition
that
the
concrete
be
tinted
gray.
In
order
to
blend
more
seamlessly
with
the
wall
till
the
patios
and
rear
courtyards
are
a
significant
part
of
Kingston's
identity.
R
The
proposed
alteration
will
permit
the
installation
of
a
new
commercial
patio
for
the
adjacent
business.
The
app
be
completed
alteration
will
aid
in
enhancing
and
conserving
the
heritage
character
of
this
space
and
its
surroundings
upon
review
of
the
applicable
material,
the
application
materials,
as
well
as
the
applicable
policies
staff,
have
no
concerns
with
this
application
subject
to
the
conditions
outlined.
We
circulated
this
application
internally
and
I
would
note
building
raised
a
couple
of
matters
that
have
been
addressed.
R
One
was
the
contrast
strip
which
is
being
required,
the
other
being
the
locking
mechanism
the
this,
and
this
was
also
raised
by
fire
as
well.
The
gate
is
to
control
access
from
the
courtyard
at
the
rear
of
71,
which
is
shaping
I,
think
and,
however,
it
is
to
be
an
emergency
access
from
the
rear
of
the
courtyard
at
71,
which
is
music
cafe,
as
well
as
the
residents
who
live
upstairs
from
that
residence,
so
they
need
to
be
able
to
get
through
this
gate
easily
in
an
emergency.
R
R
The
idea
is
it's
a
bit
of
a
crash
pad
in
sort
of
a
discreet
manner,
in
order
to
provide
easy
access
through
this,
and
that
is
meeting
the
requirements
of
both
fire
in
the
building.
This
was
also
circulated
to
members
of
this
committee.
Through
the
program
most
the
comments
we
received
indicate
an
overall
support
for
this
application.
There
was
one
matter
that
came
up
regarding
the
design
of
the
proposed
gate.
R
It
was
suggested
that
the
output
consider
adding
ornamentation
to
the
design
of
the
new
gate
in
order
to
complement
the
age
and
Heritage
character.
The
wall
staff
forwarded
these
comments
to
the
applicant
and
the
plans
before
you
are
revised
slightly
from
what
was
originally
submitted
to
include
a
little
more
decoration
on
the
on
the
gate
and
while
staff
don't
object
to
the
approval
of
the
gate
as
proposed,
a
more
decorative
gate
would
also
be
appropriate
and
we
have
included
a
condition
to
encourage
the
applicant
to
consider
a
design
that
adds
a
bit
more
ornamentation.
R
E
You
know
by
tenants,
perhaps
above
the
living
above
the
amuse
icky,
but
how
are
you
going
to?
How
does
it
prevent
people
from
the
music
keep
answer
our
patio
from
simply
being
able
to
walk
out
by
using
the
same
crash
mechanism?
I
I,
don't
understand
how
the
words
that
it
will
be
what
it
will
be
locked
at
all
times,
except
in
an
emergency.
R
Mr.
chair
I've
never
operated
a
restaurant
before,
but
the
applicants
are
here
to
speak
to
this.
It
would
be
the
responsibility
as
I
understand
it,
of
the
the
restaurant
self
to
ensure
that
that
does
not
happen.
However,
the
way
the
emergency
egress
fire
plan
is
set
up
for
this
building
that
ease
of
access
needs
to
be
there.
So
I,
don't
know
if
the
the
applicants
as
I
said,
are
here
if
they
wish
to
add
to
that
statement.
I.
A
Mean
my
mind:
I'm
thinking
like
the
emergency
exits
from
the
hospital
where
I
work,
which
says
emergency
exit
only
do
not
open
the
alarm,
will
sound
that
kind
of
thing
people
patients
still
use
it
sometimes
and
set
off
the
alarm,
but
it
is.
It
is
indicated
that
it's
reversion
see
exit
only
I,
don't
know
if
that's
what
the
applicants
had
in
mind.
But
if
you
wish
to
comment,
you
can
come
forward.
S
The
desire
originally
was
to
have
the
gate
left
open
during
business
hours,
but
the
agreement
that
we
have
with
the
neighboring
property
for
the
right
away
across
the
property
is
defined
specifically
for
emergency
egress.
Only
and
the
comments
from
the
fire
department
were
very
explicit
that
the
gate
could
not
be
locked
in
any
way
that
it
was
an
egress
route
and
need
to
be
latching
only
would
one
day
I
believe
one
mechanism
for
exiting
that
need
to
be
simple
and
no
special
tools
required.
Thank
you.
S
A
A
T
T
We'd
be
having
a
little
bit
of
a
decking
area
and
tables
and
chairs,
just
mainly
people
out
having
coffee
and
drinks
up
to
this
point,
it
was
it's
been
a
bit
of
a
black
hole.
You
know
there.
Nothing
was
really
there
lots
of
overgrowth
and
people
kind
of
sneaking
in
back
there,
but
with
with
this
it'll
brighten
up
the
whole
area
actually
and
hopefully
encourage
it,
just
a
better,
a
better
atmosphere
and
and
generally
it'll,
look
better
and
then
be
part
of
that
whole
walkway
in
the
back
and
yeah.
C
The
the
latest
version
of
the
gate
that
we've
been
circulated
with
is
different
from
what
we
saw
up
there.
I
think
Yahoo's.
The
gate
is
now
about.
Two-Thirds
of
it
has
those
little
circles
and
then
the
remainder
has
very
close
bars
only
and
I'm,
guessing
that
the
intention
is
to
prevent
members
of
the
public
from
reaching
through
and
and
releasing
the
crash
bar.
So
is
that
the
purpose
of
that,
and
is
it
possible
to
do
a
bit
better
than
that
I
mean
I
I'm,
not
too
impressed
with
the
way
the
final
design
is.
A
S
S
All
right,
you
know
if
we
could
back
to
the
existing
gate.
That's
there.
So
it's
currently
two
pieces,
but
all
that's.
There
is
basically
relatively
simple
straight
metal,
so
the
original
design
was
trying
to
mimic
that,
except
with
the
solid
one-piece
gate
instead
of
two-piece.
So
just
with
simple
straight
bars,
there
was
a
request
for
some
more
ornamentation,
so
the
circular
pieces
were
added
to
try
and
accommodate
that,
but
we
can
certainly
see
if
we
can
come
up
with
something
better
but
correct.
L
L
L
Safety
would
be
concern
and
going
along
with
what
retire
customer
Taylor
was
talking
about.
I
also
saw
some
possibilities
for
further
improving
the
design
and
to
take
away
the
possibility
of
small
animals.
Getting
in
and
out
would
be
a
concern
there
squirrels
or
that
kind
of
thing
could
get
in
maybe
an
unintended
and
then
be
trapped
in
there,
not
knowing
how
to
get
out
that
kind
of
thing.
So
I'm.
L
Looking
at
the
Heritage
aspects,
more
there's
not
too
much
in
the
report
on
that.
It's
a
very
interesting
speech
back
there.
It's
kind
of
a
continuation
of
the
the
three
entry
panels
that
come
on
Princess,
King
and
rock
for
the
interior,
courtyard
of
sheathing
and
then
the
toucan
and
those
sort
of
leashes
on
and
then
on,
Brock
Street.
L
You
have
a
sound
wire
right,
so
I
like
to
know
more
about
how
that
kind
of
got
where
we
are
today,
so
it
isn't
really
with
respect
to
the
actual
design
of
the
gate
and
its
opening,
but
just
sort
of
going
forward
on
that
part
of
the
historic
downtown,
closer
Market
Square.
It's
just
very
interesting
people
have
asked
me:
how
did
it
get
like
this?
I?
L
M
I'm
Helen
Finley
I
can
give
up
you
and
Frank
a
bit
of
history.
This
interior
block
space.
Many
years
ago,
I,
was
on
the
mayor's
downtown
committee.
When
Val
Swain
was
the
mayor,
and
one
of
the
things
I
did
was:
do
a
survey
or
block
interiors
which
were
not
very
inviting
I
have
to
say
most
of
them
seem
to
be
urinals
behind
the
bars,
and
that
was
this
area
as
well,
and,
of
course,
Kim
Donovan
has
done
some
wonderful
things
in
that
area.
This
was
a
stable
area,
I
mean
that's
convenient
interpreted.
M
This
was
an
area
that
was
a
stable
horses
were
back
there,
so
the
idea
of
starting
up
the
fence,
I
think,
is
absolutely
wrongheaded
and
it
should.
It
was
needs
to
be
a
simple
fence
in
order
to
be
as
close
to
authentic
and
that's
one
of
the
things
we're
sort
of
holding
on
to
with
our
heritage
is
to
keep
it
as
authentic
as
possible.
M
This
is
not
I
know
this
design
is
not
New
Orleans,
but
that's
where
you're
going
and
there
were
actually
when
they
did
the
film
about
New
Orleans
people
said
all
that
iron
looks
wonderful.
We
should
keep
it
well
to
Kingston
heritage,
it's
just
dead
wrong
and
so
the
very
simplest
design
that
is
practical
and
is
replicating
as
close
to
what
would
have
been
there
is
the
best.
So
please
don't
decorate
it
up.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
any
other
members
of
the
public,
seeing
none
will
now
move
to
committee
debate.
So
we
need
a
mover
and
a
seconder
for
the
recommendation
by
Mack
seconded
by
Councillor
Schell,
so
I'm
just
going
to
go
back
there,
so
you'll
see
that
basically,
the
clutters
applause
describing
the
work
and
then
nine
conditions,
such
as
the
MEK
missionary,
restoration
and
the
conditions
that
you
see
in
the
package
there
I'm
not
going
to
read
them
all
out.
You've
all
read
them
for
the
debate.
A
Maybe
I'll
kick
things
off
by
just
on
me
on
the
point
just
raised
by
members
like
mrs.
Finley
on
the
plane,
verses,
ornate
nature
of
the
gate
who
would
like
to
make
the
case
for
who,
or
whoever
suggested
initially
that
maybe
some
ornamentation
be
added,
and
maybe
we
should
deal
with
that
aspect.
Yes,
chairman
I
know.
J
A
R
Mr.
chair
I'm
afraid
our
information
is
pretty
limited
when
it
comes
to
what
this
previously
was
I've
seen
some
indications
that
it
may
have
been
a
bottom
part
of
a
building,
so
it
was
likely
a
window.
But
beyond
that,
it's
only
speculation
and
we
don't
have
anything
proof
to
show
what
it
actually
was
originally
so.
R
Only
best
practices,
mr.
chair,
as
far
as
you
want
something
that
works
functionally
for
its
purpose,
yet
not
take
away
from
the
Heritage
character
of
that
of
that
wall
that
feature
and
of
that
character
of
the
patio
and
the
rear
of
these
buildings.
So
you
don't
want
the
door
to
be
the
focal
point.
You
want
the
wall
to
be
the
focal
point.
A
C
Guess
when
I
was
originally
thinking
a
that
needed
a
bit
more
decoration,
partly
because
further
along
in
the
walkway
towards
che
piggy,
there
are
iron
railings
with
the
sort
of
characteristic
arrowheads
along
the
tops
of
the
stone
walls
and
I
thought.
Maybe
they
should
be
compatible
with
that.
But
that's
not
a
strong
argument
and
I
guess
now
that
we
realize
that
this
is.
This
is
not
a
gator
to
barrier
that
the
case
for
arguing
a
more
decorative
treatment
is
maybe
not
so
strong,
so
I.
C
Don't
have
a
strong
feeling
about
about
trying
to
improve
well
what
we
have
there
I'm,
not
too
impressed
by
weapon.
What
we
have
in
this
thing
is
I,
think
not
good
I
think
it
might
as
well,
but
just
be
plain
vertical,
but
bars,
rather
than
kind
of
a
little
bit
of
decoration
that
doesn't
fit
anything.
A
A
A
Just
two
further
comment
on,
what's
already
been
said:
I
agree
with
his
friend
Lee.
If
this
was
once
a
stable,
you
can
easily
go
wrong,
trying
to
go
in
a
direction
of
something
that
that's
prettier
or
more
ornate,
and
it's
not
that
night,
as
she
said,
is
wrongheaded.
I
agree
with
that.
This
is
intended
to
be
an
emergency
exit
and
it
doesn't
need
to
draw
attention
to
itself
so
I
think
the
simpler,
the
better
and
I
don't
think
the
applicant
would
have
a
problem
with
that,
because
some
simple
can
be
done.
A
That's
the
rationale
for
debating
that
and,
having
heard
from
the
from
the
vice-chair
who
would
have
to
suggested
it
for
and
he's
given
his
reason
and
I
actually
guessed,
that
would
be
the
peasants
reason
because
I'm
familiar
with
those
other
iron,
the
arrowheads
he's
talking
about
and
and
that
it's
possible
that
the
decision
that
went
into
those
that
hired
work
was
a
different
context
and
not
clickable.
In
this
case,
that's.
C
G
R
Mr.
chair,
through
you,
the
decorative
one
that
we
saw
before
us
with
the
little
circles
is
actually
I.
Think
about
a
second
or
third
rendition.
The
original
rendition
that
was
circulated
to
the
committee
had
that
didn't
have
the
circles
such
as
simple
straight
bars,
which
I
get
the
impression
that's
more
of
what
the
committee
is
looking
for.
G
Further
to
that
I
don't
know
a
lot
of
horse
stables
that
most
of
them
don't
look
like
jail
cell
doors
and
usually
have
wood
on
the
bottom
and
the
maybe
some
bars
on
the
top
I.
Don't
you
know,
I,
don't
know
what
that
would
have
looked
like
back
in
the
1800s,
but
I
would
imagine.
Music
II
would
rather
have
something
with
a
little
decoration
like
that
than
a
gate
that
looks
like
a
jail
cell
door,
so
I'm
happy
with
that.
G
I
certainly
don't
need
to
see
lots
of
curlicue,
as
has
been
mentioned,
but
I
really
don't
think
that
we
should
also
limit
them
to
something
this
absolute
straight
jail
bars
for
what
is
to
be
a
decorative
patio
where
people
are
having
a
drink,
not
feeling
like
they've
been
enclosed,
so
I'm
happy
with
that
design
and
so
long
as
what
we're.
Not
what
we're
I
don't
want
us
to
be
saying,
has
to
be
just
straight
bars.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
C
As
Ryan
pointed
out,
if
this
amendment
is
approved,
there
is
still
a
provision
under
item
nine
that
the
final
drawings
will
be
seen
by
the
staff
and
they
can
contact
us
if
they
feel
the
need.
So
that's
that
may
affect
perfect
people
with
decision.
Other
comments
on
the
amendment
discussion
ready
for
the
motion
on
the
amendment
to
omit
item
3
of
the
recommendation.
All
those
in
favor
opposed
that's
carried
return.
The
chair,
Thank.
A
You,
mr.
vice
chair,
yes,
so
yes
and
I
agree
with
counsel
she'll
that,
even
without
and
with
my
sisters
had
even
without
that
condition,
they're
still
sap
still
has
the
ability
to
review
the
plans,
and
perhaps
I
mean
one
of
the
problems
with
that
condition
is
that
it
has
a
comparative.
It
says
a
more
decorative
design,
but
it
doesn't
seem
more
than
what
so
it
wasn't
really
helpful
anyways,
but
anyway,
we've
had
the
amendment
I.
A
A
H
Okay,
Thank
You
mr.
chair.
This
application
relates
to
the
property
at
sixty
sixty
eight
Rio
Street,
it's
located
on
the
west
side
of
Rito
Street
between
ordinance
and
Bay,
and
contains
a
two-story
front.
Gabled
limestone
building
originally
constructed
as
a
school
in
1868
designated
under
part
four
of
the
Heritage
Act
in
1987.
It's
currently
being
used
as
a
local
private
school
known
as
Kingstown
school.
H
So
this
application
has
been
submitted
to
request
approval
to
install
two
new
signs
on
the
exterior
of
the
building
at
sixty
six
Rito,
a
projecting
sign
to
be
installed
on
the
limestone
portion
of
the
building
centered
above
the
left
picture
window
and
one
wall
sign
to
be
attached
above
the
doorway
of
the
modern
wood
addition
to
the
side.
The
applicant
has
indicated
that
the
projecting
sign
will
be
traditional.
Looking
rectangular
rectangular
shaped
wooden
sign
with
the
Kingstown
logo.
H
On
either
side
the
wooden
portion
will
be
30
inches
tall
suspended
from
a
steel
pipe
that
will
project
36
inches
from
the
building,
and
the
sign
will
be
attached
in
the
mortar
joint
to
meet
them.
The
masonry
policies,
as
well
as
with
to
guide
wires
for
support
the
applicant,
has
also
indicated
that
the
wall
sign
will
be
similar
in
design
to
the
projecting
sign
featuring
only
the
school's
name
in
colors,
the
royal
blue
and
white,
its
proposed
to
be
48
inches
in
length,
24
inches
in
and
24
inches
in
height.
H
So
this
property
is
designated
under
part
for
the
reasons
for
designation
and
note
that
it
was
built
as
a
school
in
1868
by
John
power
was
in
1877
edition
in
and
in
spite
of
modern
stone.
Winters
stone
windows,
the
stones
abroad,
gable
front
of
this
limestone
building
with
its
arched
doorway,
topped
by
three
round
arched
windows
and
bracketed
ease,
is
a
significant
part
of
this
crew.
A
important
street.
H
The
architectural
description
in
the
heritage
volumes
on
file
provides
further
details,
noting
that
it
was
constructed
in
1868,
with
some
editions
not
too
much
not
too
long
later
and
which
replace
this
school
was
actually
built
to
replace
two
other
schools
in
the
area
and
then
by
night
1919.
The
school
is
actually
too
small
and
it
was
sold
in
1922
to
the
coca-cola
bottling
company,
which
then
sold
it
to
a
Thomas
and
Donald
lemon
in
1961.
H
So
the
description
notes
that
this
property
has
undergone
a
number
of
changes
to
accommodate
commercial
uses,
such
as
the
large
windows
on
either
side
of
the
main
entrance
and
the
garage
door
on
the
south
side.
It
also
appears
that
the
arch
triptych
window
in
the
second
storey
has
been
restored,
so
the
design
of
the
school's
main
entrance
and
the
highly
visible
facade
of
this
building
are
important
from
our
conservation
perspective.
H
Any
alterations
to
this
saccade
could
impact
the
heritage
character
of
the
building
and
there
have
been
unsympathetic
alterations
in
the
past,
including
the
addition
of
the
picture,
windows
and
commercial
style
additions
which
make
any
further
additions
in
an
important
consideration.
So
this
application
notes
the
proposed
new
signage,
including
the
projecting
sign
on
the
front
of
the
limestone
building
and
the
walls
don't
wall
sign
on
the
side
addition,
the
modern
wood
statistician,
was
likely
constructed
in
the
1970s
as
for
aerial
imagery
and
has
no
Heritage
value.
H
So,
given
the
scale
and
proposed
location,
the
wall
sign
will
have
no
impact
on
the
Heritage
attributes
of
the
property
and
staff
have
no
concerns
with
its
proposed
installation.
With
respect
to
the
projecting
sign,
the
applicant
has
indicated
that
the
seal
arm
and
guy
waters
sky
wires
will
be
attached
to
the
limestone
facade
in
accordance
with
the
masonry
policy,
in
order
to
avoid
your
over
irreversible
damage
to
the
stone
and
it
will
be
centered
over
the
left
picture
window.
H
The
material
size
and
design
that's
proposed
will
be
compatible
with
the
building's
character
and
will
be
in
keeping
with
similar
installations
throughout
the
building's
history
and
documents
on
file
suggest
that
the
building
once
had
a
similar
sign
in
projecting
from
the
center
of
the
facade
so
staffers
opinion.
That
is
this
projecting
arm
where
to
be
installed
towards
the
edge
of
the
facade.
This
symmetry
of
the
building
would
be
impacted,
since
most
of
the
features
are
centered
on
the
facade.
H
So
staff
supports
the
design,
materials,
location
and
scale
of
this
sign,
as
it
needs
best
practices
and
heritage
conservation,
and
this
is
the
installation
of
both
signs
will
not
impair
the
integrity
of
the
building
facade,
should
they
be
removed
in
the
future.
And
ultimately,
these
signs
will
help
enhance
the
visibility
of
the
school
as
pedestrians
and
motorists
navigate
their
way
along
Greedo
Street.
H
So
this
application
was
circulated
internally
and
to
a
variety
of
Department
who
had
no
objections.
This
application
was
also
circulated
to
the
committee
and
a
concern
was
noted
from
one
of
the
members
with
respect
to
placing
the
line
this
the
sign
for
the
limestone
on
the
limestone
building
and
the
potential
for
it
to
detract
from
the
center
triptik
window,
and
it
was
suggested
to
move
it
to
the
side
closer
to
the
edge
of
the
facade
as
I
mentioned
staff
considered.
H
This
comment
and
forwarded
to
the
applicant,
however,
are
of
the
opinion
that,
if
it
were
to
be
installed
near
to
the
edge,
it
would
have
an
impact
on
the
symmetry
of
that
front.
Facing
facade
and
so
gesture
move
also
made
require
a
for
the
requirement
for
more
detailed
plans
for
similar
types
of
signage,
including
dimensions
of
adjacent
features
and
the
scale
of
installations
in
relation
to
each
other.
H
In
order
to
convey
the
full
impact
of
the
sign
and
staff
have
considered
this
comment
and
may
require
additional
plans
for
future
signage
applications,
but
we're
of
the
opinion
that
the
what
was
submitted
staff
had
no
concerns
with
what
was
submitted
as
part
of
this
complication.
And
finally,
a
concern
was
noted
for
the
projecting
sign
regarding
potential
vulnerability
to
strong
winds.
This
application
was
circulated
to
engineering
and
building
who
had
no
concerns
to
this
respect.
H
H
M
N
M
M
So
you
can
put
up
all
the
signs
you
want,
but
if
you
don't
pay
attention
to
those
things,
then
I
think
it
may
be
a
kind
of
losing
cause,
but
to
put
some
landscaping
in
front
of
that
which
would
prevent
the
front
yard
parking
and
would
also
take
a
opportunity
of
that
wonderful
front.
Facade
which
is
really
quite
stunning,
and
a
little
bit
of
landscaping
could
make
that
happen.
A
A
A
Okay,
well
we're
going
to
vote
on
the
recommendation,
as
stated
in
the
package,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that
carries.
We
still
have
several
items
on
the
agenda.
Unfortunately,
I
need
to
go
to
the
bathroom,
so
I'm
going
to
call
a
5-minute
recess
and
we'll
come
back
I'm,
anticipating
at
least
another
hour,
so
we're
going
to
be
going
into
the
lunch
hour
as
well.
So
does
anyone
need
more
than
five
minutes?
No
okay,
five-minute
recess
I.
A
See
we
have
quorum
in
the
room,
a
couple
members
not
at
the
horseshoe,
but
that's
okay,
we're
going
to
restart
here
so
we're
now
at
the
Heritage
property
grant
applications
part
page
four
of
your
package.
There's
a
number
of
grant
applications
here
that
come
out
of
our
grant
funding
and
looks
like
Mackenzie's
here
to
introduce
them.
Yes,.
H
Thank
you
mr.
chair.
This
provides
an
overview
of
the
eight
applications
for
a
heritage
property
grant
and
so
on.
March
1st
the
city
started:
accepting
grant
applications
for
the
heritage
property
grant
program
fees.
This
is
for
eight
applications
which
are
tied
to
heritage
permits
that
staff
has
delegated
authority.
H
These
all
of
these
properties
are
designated
under
part
four
or
part,
five
of
the
Heritage
Act
being
those
in
the
Sydenham
Sydenham,
Heritage,
Area,
Conservation,
District
or
the
very
field.
Conservation
District
heritage,
property
grant
by
law
defines
eligible
work
as
those
which
conserves
or
enhances
the
character,
defining
elements
of
a
heritage
property,
and
it
also
notes
that
the
amount
of
a
grant
awarded
shall
not
exceed
50%
of
the
total
cost
of
the
eligible
work
or
$2,000.
Whichever
is
less
so.
H
H
It's
also
part
of
the
old
Sydenham
Conservation
District.
It's
also
subject
to
your
heritage.
Easement
agreement.
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
replace
the
five
existing
would
storm
windows
on
the
Stapp's
section
of
the
church,
as
well
as
repair
the
frames
of
the
interior
glass
units,
30
Sydenham
Street,
it's
located
on
the
west
side
of
Sydenham
street.
It's
designated
under
part
four
of
the
Heritage
Act
and
is
located
in
the
old
sim
district.
H
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
repoint
and
repair
the
southwest
wall
in
accordance
with
the
city's
policy
on
masonry,
restoration
and
finally,
372
highway
2.
It's
located
on
the
north
side
of
highway
2,
it's
designated
under
part
4,
as
Heritage
Act
and
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
repair
and
repeat
the
barrel,
vault
barrel-vaulted
front
porch,
so
staff
has
reviewed
this
submitted
information
alongside
the
heritage,
designation,
bylaws,
property
evaluations
and
easement
agreements
were
applicable
for
these
properties
in
each
property
meets
the
term
of
the
Heritage
Grant
program
as
eligible
properties
and
to
qualify
as
eligible
work.
H
So
this
application
was
circulated
to
the
city's
financial
services
department
to
ensure
there
are
no
unpaid
taxes
or
other
monies
owing
to
the
city
on
the
subject,
properties,
Financial
Services
has
confirmed
that
all
of
these
properties
are
eligible
for
grant
funding
and
none
have
received
heritage
grant
funding
in
the
last
two
years
and
and
they're.
This
is
the
beginning
of
the
grant
program
and
there
are
enough
funds
in
the
budget
to
cover
the
properties
included
in
this
report.
Thanks.
C
In
the
past,
I've
been
concerned
about
getting
enough
information,
there's
a
statement
somewhere
in
this
pile
of
pages
that
war
information,
your
detailed
information
is
available
on
I,
went
to
to
try
to
find
out
more
information,
for
instance,
some
plans
and
details,
and
so
on,
I
couldn't
find
anything.
There
I
mean
there's
an
entry.
There
there's
an
address
there,
but
it
just
says
an
application
has
been
submitted
or
something
like
that.
No
information,
so
I
are
we.
You
know
I
guess
why
aren't
we
getting
the
information
or
why
isn't
providing
the
information
I.
A
C
Mean
for
these
particular
applications
we,
the
committee
members,
knew
nothing
about
them
until
we
saw
this
agenda
and
I
guess
if
there
there
might
have
been
more
information
on
that
is
that
was
removed
when
the
applications
when
the
permit
applications
were
approved,
so
we
have
no
way
of
seeing
now
other
than
randomly
going
through
all
the
timing
applications
on
to
see,
if
there's
something
of
interest
to
us.
That's
not
that's
not
I.
D
You
and
to
you
mr.
chair
I,
guess
we
would
need
to
connect
with
mr.
Taylor
about
the
specifics
of
what's
missing,
because
our
it's
our
understanding
that
when
we
get
an
application
for
a
heritage,
permit
the
permit
itself
all
those
details,
the
drawings
application
form
itself
are
being
uploaded
into.
So
if
you
have
a
specific
file
where
you
were
not
able
to
find
those
details-
and
we
would
want
to
look
at
that-
maybe
maybe
it
was
math
the
Trinity,
but
all
those
details
are
being
uploaded
in
even
for
the
delegated
authority
permits.
C
Well,
I
think,
there's
an
obvious
procedure.
That's
missing
here.
The
committee
should
be
advised
every
time,
a
heritage
property.
We
whenever
there's
an
application
for
heritage
property,
we
should
be
advised,
go
to
and
Vulcan
you
at
the
moment.
We
have
no
way
of
knowing
what's
being
proposed
until
it's
done.
A
If
you
need
further
information
to
consider
whether
or
not
we
ought
to
give
a
grant
for
this
work
that
more
information
than
what
was
provided
with
this
package,
you
would
have
to
get
that
from
staff
before
the
meeting
and
and
staff
was
saying
that
everything
should
be
available
under
so
they've.
Maybe
they'd
have
to
work
with
you
directly.
I
know
at
one
point:
I
did
I
had
access,
but
I
wasn't
having
access
to
all
the
files.
C
Well,
I
hope
that
staff
will
take
note
of
the
sort
of
circumstances
that
are
you
know
that
are
happening
now.
Basically,
we
didn't
know
about
any
of
these
properties.
Until
we
got
the
agenda,
there's
no
time
to
get
more
information,
no
time
to
ask
staff
to
provide
more
information.
It
should
it
use
it
was
there
on,
but
it's
been
removed.
These
I
think
it's
been
removed.
I
can
access
those
property
listings
on,
but
the
information
is
gone
so
there
has
to
be
an
improvement
in
the
procedure.
So
that's
that's
my
first
one.
Okay,.
A
J
But
on
page
156
it
the
comment
of
work
or
scope
of
scope
of
work
that
is
being
done,
suggest
that
it's
going
to
take
the
negative
slope
out
of
the
roof
over
the
eve
of
the
roof
and
supply
and
install
new
colors
I
didn't
see
anything
that
actually
indicates
that
there's
guidance
as
to
how
those
changes
are
being
made.
I
presume
that
they
are
in
the
heritage.
J
Permit
that
was
given
to
this
and
I
would
recommend
that,
in
order
to
guide
us,
it
would
be
good
to
have
access
to
the
permissions
that
were
given
so
that
we
see
that
the
work
that
we
are
providing
funding
for
is
approved,
work
we're
making
the
assumption
that
it
is.
But
there
are
changes
indicated
here
that
I
couldn't
check
and
I'm
just
curious
to
have
a
how
to
patch
that
up,
so
that
it
looks
like
we're.
Seeing
that
we're
cognizant
of
the
work
that
we're
approving
the
funding
for
okay.
A
So
I'm
just
thinking
of
the
procedure,
so
the
options
at
our
disposal
are.
We
approve
the
grants
today
or
we
defer
that
approval
for
the
purpose
of
seeking
further
information.
Those
are
our
two
options.
So
if
that
there's
nothing
else,
procedurally
that
we
can
do
the
information
about
each
address
is
here.
We've
been
told
that
each
of
these
place,
these
addresses
received
a
heritage
permit
under
delegated
authority
and
we're
not
given
all
the
details
of
that
in
the
package.
J
H
A
Yes,
I
just
want
to
remind
the
committee
that
we
do
have
a
we
should.
We
ought
to
have
access
to
everything
that
staff
has
access
to.
That
was
the
whole
point
of
getting
us
access
to
in
the
first
place.
So
if
that's
the
case,
you
get
you
get
the
package
and
if
you
want
all
the
details,
it's
up
to
you
to
look
them
up
before
the
meeting
and
I
understand.
The
timelines
are
very
tight.
C
A
N
C
C
A
C
Yeah,
it's
it's
marginal
I
mean
the
appearance
of
the
storm
panels
or
whatever
they
are,
has
an
impact
on
the
Heritage
attributes.
So
I
think
we
should
have
information
on
whatever's
in
front
of
them
in
the
case
of
Chalmers
I
think
it
is
really
that
storm
panel
that
we're
concerned
with
so
its
appearance
is
part
of
the
yeah.
That's
a
heritage
attribute
so
I
mean
I,
bet,
I,
agree.
It's
marginal.
D
Three
mr.
chair
I,
believe
all
members
of
the
committee
know
this
but
I'll
just
we're
at
a
point
right
now,
where
all
these
applications
have
been
supported
by
staff,
either
through
delegated
authority
or
they've
been
brought
to
committee.
So
the
permits
themselves
have
all
been
approved
and
we
have
received
an
application
for
grants
and
we're
processing
those
grant
applications.
So
I
hear
the
concerns
with
the
delegated
authority
and
what
we
we
have.
D
Staff
have
been
delegated
by
Council
to
review
and
approve,
but
today
we're
looking
at
the
grant
so
we're
not
in
a
position
to
go
back
and
change
the
technical
merits
of
the
permit
itself.
So
I
like
I,
say
I
think
you
all
know
that,
but
just
I
want
to
reiterate
that
that
if
we
have
to
go
back
at
some
point,
perhaps
a
council
direction
and
look
at
the
delegated
authority
by
law.
Perhaps
that's
what
we
need
to
do.
If
this
is
an
issue
of
concern.
A
Yeah,
but
thank
you
mr.
Newman,
and
what
you've
said
in
the
in
a
shorter
form
is
that
discussions
on
the
technical
aspects
of
the
permit
is
not
in
order.
That's
what
you've
said
and
that's
what
I've
said
so
I
would
appreciate.
If
members
of
the
committee
would
take
me
seriously
when
I
say
that
we're
discussing
the
grants
and
not
the
technical
aspects
of
the
permits.
C
L
He
Sharif
Leon,
shot
person
said
that
the
new
season
for
grants
under
this
form
is
now
beginning,
so
I
believe
that
there
is
some
sort
of
a
limit
on
how
many
can
be
handled
in
a
year
based
on
much
as
in
the
in
the
pot,
so
to
speak
right
soon,
I
had
a
look
at
them.
All
I
was
impressed
with
the
reports
and
detail
and
I
think
they're
already
gone
I
guess
we
can't
reach
anything
more.
L
A
M
Art
or
I'm
not
sure
what
to
call
it,
but
I'm
also
wondering
it
is
at
a
heritage
attribute
and
when
was
it
built?
Not
the
building.
The
buildings
I
think
fairly
earth,
but
it
has
had
some
improvement
improvements
in
quotation
marks.
The
the
doorway,
for
instance,
has
been
changed
and
it's
not
certainly
or
original
I
think
it
I,
don't
believe
the
shutters
are
original
and
they
don't
fit,
and
so
they're
the
things
that
maybe
somebody
is
working
on
improving
the
the
facade
and
getting
it
back
to
where
it
was.
M
But
I
have
in
the
back
of
my
mind
that
that
vault
vault
is
he
wasn't
there
before
and
I
happened
to
go
by
and
say:
oh,
my
god.
What's
what's
this
so
I
may
be
wrong,
but
I
think
it's
if
it's
not
an
attribute
and-
and
it
isn't
old
and
I
realize
you
can't
say
this
windows.old
miss
windows
new.
But
this
is
a
very
striking
feature
on
the
facade
at
this
point
and
I
think
you
should
just
ensure
that
that
is
something
you
want
to
see
preserved.
A
H
Yes,
thank
you
mr.
chair,
in
response
to
the
last
comment
about
the
barrel-vaulted
porch,
this
attribute
is
listed
in
the
designation
by
law.
It
does
note
it
as
a
modern
addition.
However,
the
repairs
that
the
applicant
is
making
also
address
some
water
issues
in
relation
to
the
limestone
facade
and
so
staffer
of
the
opinion
that
this
is
a
repair
of
a
feature
that
was
necessary
and
that
the
grant
would
be
funded
for
this
user.
A
A
C
Going
to
vote
in
favor,
aye,
no
I
think
it's
a
certainly
very
appropriate,
but
I
have
to
register
concern
that
procedures
were
following
a
following
are
seriously
in
jeopardy.
These
these
have
all
been
approved
under
my
under
gelug
ation
as
minor
alterations.
Most
of
them
are
not
minor.
They're
substantial
and
the
committee
should
have
the
opportunity
to
provide
input
both
the
need
visits.
This
barrel-vaulted
porch
appears
to
be
subsiding.
That's
why
the
water
is
draining,
so
we
need
to
know
if
it's
being
properly
fixed.
A
Any
other
discussion,
because
we'll
vote
and
just
remind
the
members
that
this
is
a
vote
in
favor,
of
allocating
the
grant
money
and
our
fund
for
these
projects,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that
carries.
Thank
you.
The
next
item
is
a
heritage
permit
for
1080
Sydenham
road
in
927,
the
pretties
Mill
Road
item
5
on
page
5
of
the
agenda.
R
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
the
subject:
property
is
known
as
the
cataract
with
cemetery.
It's
got
two
civic
addresses
on
Sydenham
road
and
one
on
pres
new
road.
It's
approximately
47
hectares
in
size
and
is
located
in
what's
what
was
once
known
as
Cataraqui
village,
the
application
is
under
section
33
of
the
Heritage
Act
and
it's
submitted
in
or
to
request
approval
to
construct
the
24
foot
by
4
foot
wide
pedestrian
bridge
over
the
forest
pond,
which
is
located
in
the
northeast
corner
of
the
subject
property.
R
The
bridge
is
to
be
anchored
into
the
banks
by
conquering
footings,
which
are
proposed
to
be
concealed
by
vegetation
and
are
stone
veneers.
The
proposed
bridge
will
provide
easier
pedestrian
access
to
the
north
side
of
the
landscape
pond.
This
application
was
originally
submitted.
Last
April,
following
comments
received
during
their
first
circulation
as
well
as
comments
from
this
committee
at
a
site
meeting.
The
applicants
requested
that
it
be
put
on
hold
to
evaluate
those
comments
and
to
make
changes
to
the
proposed
design.
R
Ripping
the
cataract
with
cemetery
is
a
National
Historic
Site.
It
was
originally
inscribed
in
1938
to
recognize
the
burial
site
of
Sir
John
McDonald.
It
was
then
amended
in
2011
to
include
the
whole
property
as
one
of
the
best
examples
of
a
medium-sized
rural
cemetery
in
Canada.
The
subject
properties.
Also.
Doesn't
it
under
part
four
of
the
Heritage
Act
from
2014
that
file
on
note
as
one
of
its
attributes
its
picturesque,
qualities
and
features,
notably
the
uneven
topography
of
rolling
hills,
ravines,
Swail
streams,
three
ponds
and
the
naturalistic
landscape.
R
Includes
gently
art
to
bridge
with
a
decorative
black
metal
railing
and
cedar
decking,
the
decorative
railings
black
metal
railings
reflect
the
use
of
black
iron
throughout
the
cemetery,
including
those
around
plot
enclosures
and
at
the
entrance
gates
of
boasted
them
and
personal
roads.
The
use
of
wood
and
stone
also
reflect
the
traditional
materials
found
throughout
the
property.
The
proposed
footings
are
to
be
concurring
buried
in
the
bank
of
the
pond.
The
applicants
wish
to
conceal
them
using
vegetation
or
stone
veneer
and
stuff.
R
However,
bright
white
concrete
can
detract
from
the
heritage
value
of
this
carefully
landscape
feature,
so
staff
recommend
that
the
concrete
be
tinted
in
a
gray
tone
to
minimize
the
contrast
between
the
landscaping
in
the
bright
concrete
and
to
encourage
the
use
of
stone
where
practical
the
completed
alterations
will
aid
enhancing
and
conserving
the
Heritage
character
of
this
place
and
its
surroundings
upon
review
of
the
application
of
the
application
materials,
as
well
as
the
applicable
policies
and
legislation
staff,
have
no
concerns
for
this
application.
We
did
circulate
to
internal
departments
who
didn't
provide
any
outstanding
concerns.
R
We
also
circulated
to
this
committee
through,
while
most
the
comments
received
indicate
overall
support.
The
was
one
matter
raised
pertaining
to
the
use
of
concrete,
which
suggested
that
the
advocates
consider
the
use
of
stone
in
place
of
concrete
for
the
footings.
Some
staff
have
forwarded
these
comments
on
to
the
applicant
under
the
applicants,
who
responded,
noting
that
they
would
actually
prefer
the
use
stone,
but
they
are
concerned
about
the
safety
and
stability
of
the
bridge,
which
is
why
they're
continuing
to
propose
concrete.
R
C
This
question
of
use
of
concrete
I
just
wondered
if
the
applicants
can
say
a
bit
more
about
how
the
bridge
is
to
be
supported,
I
mean
the
drawing
which
is
on
page
178
in
our
package
suggests,
is
rather
substantial,
concrete
abutments,
but-
and
you
know
we're
asking
them
to
try
to
do
better,
but
isn't
it
possible
just
to
support
the
the
bridge
on
sort
of
sonotube
footings?
So
you
don't
really
don't
see
the
concrete
you
can
put
stones
all
around
that
so
I
wonder
if
they
could
respond
to.
You
know
the
details
of
the
footings.
R
Mr.
chair
I,
don't
believe
the
applicants
are
are
here
today,
but
it's
our
understanding
that
these
bridge
these
plans
have
been
designed
to
meet
the
requirements
of
engineering
and
building
code
so
I
they
were
concerned.
They
want
this
to.
If
you've
been
to
this
catechetical
cemetery,
you
know
the
effort
that
they
put
into
the
landscaping
of
this
property.
R
A
L
Okay,
stir
briefly
on
I'd
similar
concerns
to
what
were
just
raised
and
I.
Think
if
you
were
to
build
it
and
stolen
only
it
would
take
clipit,
more
skill
and
would
they
would
require
you
know
a
highly
qualified
and
experienced
mason
and
it's
only
a
short
span
sure,
but
might
be
able
to
do
something
with
concrete
a
lot
easier.
And
then,
if
you
were
to
do
that,
I
would
favor
trying
to
sort
of
clad
it
in
stone
so
that
it
does
fit
in
with
the
environment
there.
It
is
a
pretty
important
site
nationally.
So.
A
A
A
E
J
Sherman
I
just
want
to
point
out
a
on
page
168,
the
very
bottom
paragraph,
a
statement.
The
thoughtful
and
ornate
landscaping
of
this
property
is
a
significant
part
of
the
heritage
value
I
believe
this
design.
This
application
is
both
thoughtful
and
ornate
and
consistent
with
the
character
of
the
site.
A
I
partly
agree
with
Peters
position
that
the
bridge
is
not
necessary
and
I
would
say
that
if
it
was
bridge
for
Motor,
Vehicles
I
would
also
propose
it,
but
because
it
is
a
bridge,
a
pedestrian
bridge
which
don't
get
proposed
very
often,
especially
in
a
heritage
set
setting
I
think
it
actually
is
a
nice
little
addition
and
as
it
states
in
that
same
paragraph,
it
opens
up
the
space
north
of
the
pond,
which
is
not
currently
as
functional.
So
it
has
a
part
of
that
very
important,
practical
application.
A
We
want
our
heritage
spaces
to
be
used
and
enjoyed
in
Category.
Cemetery
is
one
of
our
premier
heritage
locations
in
Kingston.
So
to
me
the
question
is:
is
whether
the
design
is
is
welcome
in
the
setting,
and
although
it
is
a
modern
design,
I'm
happy
that
it,
it
does
enhance
the
heritage
value
of
the
property,
and
so
I
will
indeed
support
it.
Thank
you.
A
Well,
we're
on
the
second
last
page
of
the
agenda
item
number
six
pre-application
consultation,
55,
Ontario,
Street,
so
the
procedure
for
this
there
is
a
presentation,
I
believe
from
the
applicant.
The
staff
will
will
introduce
it
and
the
applicants
presentation
is
subject
to
a
ten
minute
time
limit.
They
will
be
able
to
answer
questions
after
that,
and
then
committee
members
and
members
of
public
will
have
an
opportunity
to
comment,
but
as
it
is
a
pre
consultation,
it's
not
there's
a
point.
A
few
things
that
it's
not
it's,
not
a
statutory
public
meeting.
A
It's
not
a
planning
committee
meeting.
It
is
no
at
a
meeting
where
a
decision
is
made.
It
is
this.
The
purpose
of
the
meat
of
this
pre
consultation
is
for
our
input
and
the
input
of
members
of
the
public
to
the
applicant.
So
suggestions
and
comments
to
the
applicant
about
the
proposed
work
and,
of
course,
always
from
a
heritage
standpoint
right,
so
comments,
discussion
about
the
Heritage
as
attributes
on
the
site
and
how
it
fits
in
with
the
plans.
That's
the
scope
of
this
conversation
go
ahead.
Well,.
R
Thank
you,
mr.
chair,
so
just
quickly
before
I
turn
it
over
to
the
the
applicants
who
have
asked
for
this
opportunity.
Just
orient
everybody.
This
is
55
Ontario
Street,
it's
the
Kingston
dry
dock
and
pump
house
property,
formerly
known
as
the
home
of
the
Mary
marine
museum
of
the
Great
Lakes
and
as
part
of
a
larger
public
consultation
visioning
program.
The
applicants
wish
to
gain
some
preliminary
feedback
and
comments
from
a
heritage
impact
and
conservation
perspective.
R
Today
the
owners
are
proposing
a
residential
development
on
this
property
and
as
well
as
the
adaptive
reuse
of
the
heritage
buildings
on
the
property
and
the
site
is
also
proposed
to
include
program
park,
open
space
component
and
be
tied
into
the
waterfront
trail.
The
property
is
designated
under
part
four
of
the
Heritage
Act
originally
in
1984,
and
then
it
was
amended
in
2007.
The
Kingston
drydock
was
inscribed
as
a
National
Historic
Site
in
1978,
which
includes
not
only
the
drydock
itself,
but
the
entire
shipyard
complex,
including
the
building's
the
gate
and
all
supporting
structures.
R
The
cultural
heritage
attributes
as
outlined
in
the
vial
include
the
complex
as
a
whole,
particularly
the
original
pump
house,
gate,
drydock
and
related
constructions,
which
operated
as
a
cohesive
unit,
the
pump
and
steam
engine
which
is
in
situ
and
the
original
90
foot
tall
square
limestone
chimney,
which
is
a
15
foot
pyramidal
base.
I
would
note
that
a
proposal
similar
to
what's
before
you
today
will
require
various
planning,
Act
approve,
as
well
as
formal
Heritage,
Act
approval,
which
would
come
back
to
this
committee
for
consultation
purposes
at
a
future
time.
R
A
V
So,
thank
you,
sir
Aryan,
mr.
chair
and
members
of
the
Canadian
members
of
the
public.
As
was
noted,
this
is
not
a
formal
public
meeting.
In
any
sense,
it's
a
pre
consultation
meeting
and
we've
requested
the
opportunity
to
come
before
heritage
Kingston
to
introduce
the
project
thus
far
and
also
to
get
some
feedback
as
we
develop
our
plans
and
move
towards
a
creative
applications.
V
So
with
me,
today
is
Brendan
Stewart
from
er
a
architects
he's
a
lead
landscape
architect
on
the
project
and
also
Lyndsey
Reid
who's,
the
lead
heritage
architect
on
the
project,
we
have
a
number
of
other
consultants
on
the
team
as
well,
including
the
building
architect,
as
well
as
a
number
of
other
expertise
involved.
So
the
intention
say
just
take
you
through
the
site
and
the
brief
presentation
that
we
have
and
then
to
hear
your
feedback
and
hopefully
answer
some
questions.
U
Thank
you
I'll,
be
brief,
because
the
Orion
has
actually
covered
a
lot
of
what
I
was
going
to
say.
We
want
to
emphasize
that
it's
great
privileged
to
work
on
national
historic
sites,
so
this
project
is
a
real
gem
for
us
to
be
working
on
right
now,
just
in
terms
of
the
the
built
assets
on
this
site,
the
dry
dock
and
the
pump
house
date
back
to
both
1889,
they
opened,
they
were
completed
by
1892
and
those
are
the
original
structures
that
remain
here.
U
The
pump
house
structure
is
actually
quite
interesting
to
me
because
it
really
reads
as
one
building,
but
it's
actually
a
collection
of
four
buildings
that
have
progressed
over
time.
So,
of
course,
there's
the
original
pump
house
with
the
chimney
and
then,
of
course,
the
interior
of
the
Dynamo
building
that
overlooks
the
waterfront
there's
machine
and
Shop
Forge
that's
attached
to
it.
So
if
that's
the
one
that
has
the
metal
clad
cladding
on
the
exterior,
that
makes
it
look
like
a
limestone
kind
of
inspired
building.
U
U
So
this
operated
as
a
shipbuilding
facility
until
1968
on
a
lease
basis
from
the
government
and
then
was
altered
and
accommodated
as
Marine
Museum.
It
has
been
recently
disposed
of
by
c-bro
and
the
owner
took
possession
of
it
in
2016.
So,
as
Ryan
mentioned,
the
city
is
the
Heritage
Authority
managing
change
that
happens
on
this
site.
That
happens
as
part
of
the
federal
dispose
process.
So
in
terms
of
guiding
documents,
we're
looking
at
the
designation
by
law,
as
well
as
the
federal
commemorative
integrity
statement.
W
Thanks
Lindsay
and
Mark,
so
I'm
gonna,
just
take
you
really
quickly
through
some
of
our
preliminary
thinking
about
the
site
as
a
whole.
We're
looking
at
the
entire
property
and
I
submit
you
mentioned
that
we
met
gets
last
week
with
a
bunch
of
city
staff,
including
Ryan,
and
folks
from
the
Parks,
Department
and
engineering
services,
etc.
W
Part
of
the
challenge
of
this
site
is
actually
figuring
out
how
to
to
add
new
housing
to
it
and
we'll
talk
about
that
as
part
of
the
proposal
to
deliver
the
waterfront
trail,
ideally
to
adaptively,
reuse,
the
collection
of
buildings
and
to
create
an
engaging
public
realm,
there's
a
lot
of
goals
and
we're
really
looking
at
it
in
a
in
a
holistic
way.
There's
a
bunch
of
moving
pieces
and
it's
quite
complex,
so
we're
certainly
very
open
to
feedback
and
any
questions
related
to
that.
W
But
I
just
wanted
to
premise
what
we're
saying
what
I'm
presenting
right
now
right.
The
idea
that
this
is
quite
preliminary
and
most
of
what
we've
been
focusing
on
actually
from
a
public
round
perspective
so
far,
is
trying
to
figure
out
the
circulation,
the
the
sort
of
pedestrian
and
vehicular
circulation
requirements,
because
there
to
imagine,
with
a
site
with
these
types
of
shapes,
it's
actually
very
complex
and
complicated.
W
So
the
diagram
that
we've
got
on
the
top
left
there,
hopefully
that's
legible.
That's
that's
illustrating
the
sort
of
water
edge
zones
of
the
site,
which
you
know
our
intent
is
to
make
as
much
of
that
publicly
accessible
as
as
possible.
So
we're
looking
at
all
kinds
of
examples
from
around
the
world
and
from
around
Ontario
some
of
these
images,
quite
quite
a
bit
of
them,
have
actually
come
from
Park
staff.
W
We've
been
engaging
Park
staff
on
it's
good
examples
from
from
their
perspective
about
how
to
how
to
manage
some
of
these
conditions
and
how
to
create
walkways
and
pause
points
and
interesting
viewpoints,
and
so
on.
So
that's
a
big
dimension
of
this
is
delivering
the
waterfront
trail
through
the
site
and
how
that
works.
W
There's
the
open
space
at
the
point
to
the
east
of
the
complex
of
buildings.
That
is
another
really
interesting
zone.
It
would
be
great
at
some
point,
maybe
for
for
the
committee
to
actually
do
a
walk
around
I
would
think
for
those
of
you
who
haven't
to
see
to
see
the
conditions,
but
we
see
great
opportunity
here
again
for
thinking
through
a
very
unique
space
that
could
happen
there.
W
There's
sea
wall,
reconstruction
and
contamination
issues
that
are
part
of
this
as
well.
But
this
is
a
very
exposed
portion
of
the
site
that
we
think
could
could
become
a
focal
point.
There
might
be
opportunities
for
public
art
or
some
kind
of
viewing
inspired
destination,
something
that
maybe
is
inspired
by
the
marchello
towers,
the
complex
that
Lindsay
talked
about
where
we're
at
a
very
preliminary
phase.
Right
now
we
were
on
the
site
last
week,
taking
a
pretty
careful
look
inside
the
buildings.
W
W
Don't
think
we
have
a
firm
proposal
yet,
but
that
that
will
be
a
big
part
of
this
or
whether
it's
residential,
whether
there's
some
commercial
activity,
whether
there's
a
restaurant
or
cafe,
all
of
these
things
we're
trying
to
think
through
what's
possible
but
went
from
a
public
realm
perspective
and
obviously
that
all
needs
to
work
really
well
and
that
needs
to
create
a
sensitive
relationships
between
the
building
and
the
drydock
and
the
public
realm.
So
again,
a
bunch
of
images
that
we're
looking
at
that
have
conditions
like
that.
W
In
other
places,
the
drydock
itself,
the
drydock,
is
one
of
the
attributes
on
the
site
and
there's
an
image
at
the
bottom
left
that
shows
just
how
impressive
you
know.
An
engineering
feat
this
this
complex
is,
it
shows
it
shows
the
drydock
when
the
water
had
been
removed
for
shipbuilding
purposes,
we're
really
interested
in
figuring
out
how,
as
a
very
unique
destination
along
the
emerging
waterfront
trail,
you
might
be
able
to
create
something
really
interesting
here.
That
allows
allows
public
access
to
the
dry
dock
and
water
access.
Ultimately,
you've
got
really
interesting,
sheltered
conditions.
W
The
water
moves,
of
course,
but
you're
lower
than
the
surface
area,
which
creates
a
unique
microclimate.
So
we
think
there
may
be
interesting
opportunities
to
actually
get
down
to
water
level,
possibly
on
floating,
boardwalks
or
or
different
types
of
public
accessible
spaces.
That
would
allow
different
activities
to
happen.
That
would
bring
you
in
close
proximity
to
the
walls
to
be
able
to
sort
of
interpret
them
close
up,
but
also
to
create
interesting
places
for
different
activities.
W
One
of
the
examples
there
is
a
floating
wetland.
This
is
this
is
actually
in
the
Canary
Wharf
district
of
London.
It's
a
wonderful
precedent.
We
think,
because
that
you
know,
is
more
of
a
sort
of
sort
of
water
quality
and
cleaning
function,
but
it
aesthetically
there's
also
interesting
opportunities.
We
think
for
for
interpreting
the
space
and
creating
more
layers
of
interest.
W
V
Sing
Brennan
died,
neglected,
introduce
myself
some.
My
name
is
Mark
I'm,
a
planner
with
ibi
groups,
we're
providing
professional
planning
services
on
the
project,
including
helping
and
guides
planning
act
applications
that
would
be
required,
including
the
official
plan.
Amendment
zoning
bylaw
amendment,
safe
land
control,
I'll
start
off,
just
noting
there's.
V
Actually
these
are
actually
two
properties,
so
you
used
to
be
one
they're
actually
now
two,
so
the
one
property
is
the
dry
dock
and
the
pump
house
building
and
then
the
second
property
is
actually
the
pier,
so
they've
been
recently
separated
when
the
federal
government
sold
them.
So
that
being
the
case,
though,
the
owner
does
want
to
develop
a
site
holistically.
Looking
at
suppose
the
vacant
parcels
appear
and
then
also
adaptive,
reuse
for
the
for
the
pump
house
and
drydock.
V
So
it's
part
of
that
we
looked
at
kind
of
what's
the
best
type
of
massing
for
that
many
units
in
terms
of
minimizing
impacts
on
the
adjacent
properties
just
shadowing,
in
particular,
moving
through
the
different
seasons.
We
looked
at
a
few
different
iterations,
the
shape,
December,
always
being
or
wintertime,
always
being
the
worst
worst
case
scenario,
and
the
one
thing
I
want
to
point
out.
V
The
value
of
this
particular
shape
that
we've
kind
of
been
moving
towards
is
that
we're
able
to
retain,
at
the
worst-case
scenario
sunlight
on
the
northern
end
of
the
drydock,
as
well
as
a
Navy,
Memorial
Park.
So
that's
kind
of
been
some
of
the
considerations
looking
at
building
envelopes
and
how
best
to
make
the
site
work
with
the
with
the
needs
of
the
development,
while
also
respecting
the
the
haird
should
attribute
of
the
of
the
site
so
we'll
leave
it
there
and
I'm
sure
there'll
be
questions
comments
we
can
respond
to
those.
V
A
C
A
G
R
Thank
you,
mr.
chair
I'm
sure
my
colleagues
will
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
it's
my
understanding
that
the
property
was
designated
as
a
whole
and
the
bottle
is
registered
against
the
entirety
of
the
property.
So
it
should
still
be
with
the
entirety
of
the
property
until
the
bylaw
is
amended,
which
hasn't
happened.
So
my
understanding
is,
it
stayed
for
the
entire
property
I'll.
G
Just
confirm
that
if
the
bylaw
were
amended,
it
would
be
council
that
amends
it,
not
the
app
the
owner,
okay-
and
my
second
question
was
about
the
I-
was
very
interested
to
hear
you
talking
about
walking
on
the
southeast
portion
below
the
limestone
building
we
weren't
allowed
to
so
is
has
something
changed
that
that
is
now
safe,
because
public
weren't
allowed
to
walk
there.
So
I
was
surprised
when
you
suggested
we
go.
Could
you
confirm
whether
that's
now
a
safe
there,
I
can't.
W
Confirm
that
it's
a
safe
area
and
I,
probably
shouldn't
have
suggested
that
we
go
in
that
particular
zone
and
we've
certainly
been
there
with
safety
gear
to
to
take
a
look
I
think
so
we
should.
We
should
get
back
to
you
about
where
on
the
property
would
be
safe
to
go,
and
there
are
certainly
ways
to
see
those
portions
that
are
unsafe
from
safe
portions
of
the
property
but
I
think
I.
Think
the
the
idea
of
looking
around
on
site
is
probably
a
helpful
one.
V
I'm
not
clear
on
that
part
of
it,
certainly
the
the
site.
As
the
city
is
aware,
there
have
been
many
studies
done
both
by
the
feds
and
in
support
of
cities.
Investigations
about
the
condition
of
the
site
and
that's
part
of
the
the
challenge
of
the
site
is
the
amount
of
remediation
work.
That's
needed,
but
certainly
if
anybody
wants
to
have
a
site
tour
say
visit,
we
can
coordinate
that,
including
you
know,
access
to
the
building
if
that's
desired
as
well.
V
Assure
yeah
yeah,
so
it's
a
20-story
building,
so
just
to
clarify,
didn't
describe
that.
So
it's
a
just
two
components,
two
buildings
with
podium
and
then
there's
a
tower,
so
the
total
height
of
the
building
is
20
storeys,
as
envisioned
in
the
plans
thus
far
and
so
yeah.
Obviously,
to
do
anything
excuse
me
with
with
the
site,
as
the
city
obviously
knows
in
terms
of
their
considerations
of
purchasing
and
this
site
and
similar
sites
in
the
past,
there's,
certainly
undertakings
that
have
to
be
done
in
terms
of
making
the
site
safe.
V
So
I
said
before
the
site
has
pretty
much
everything
you
can
think
of
in
terms
of
brownfield
heritage.
The
shore
wall
is
obviously
in
poor
condition.
Some
some
of
the
preliminary
investigations
have
been
done
include
just
restoring
the
shore
wall
around.
Just
the
pier
and
putting
a
new
wall
in
would
be
in
excess
of
five
million
dollars,
so
that's
just
for
an
insurer
wall,
not
including
any
kind
of
remediation
work.
So
aside
from
from
that,
there's
also
obviously
the
main
maintenance
of
the
drydock
and
the
pump
of
museum
as
well.
V
A
E
D
E
You
it's
important
information
I,
think,
because
my
reading
of
this
document
is
that
all
of
the
waterfront
walkway
around
through
this
property
will
be
on
private
land.
The
the
there
is
no
public
access
or
no
public
land
between
the
water
line
and
the
and
the
and
and
the
pier
or
the
dry
dock
area,
etc,
and
one
can't
do
with
this
property.
E
What
one
did
behind
the
simcoe
apartments,
which
was
that
they
allowed
I,
think
was
homestead
to
dump
the
land
that
was
being
excavated
for
the
condo
for
the
apartment
buildings
were
being
built
years
ago,
along
Ontario
Street
and
therefore
they
created
in
front
of
what
had
been
private
land,
a
an
area
which
is
public,
which
is
where
that
the
walkway
around
the
base
of
that
of
that
goes.
And
then,
of
course,
when
you
get
to
the
when
you
get
to
the
Yacht
Club,
there
is
no
public
walkway
through
that.
E
It
goes
up
to
the
street.
So
in
my
little
bit
of
this,
that
I
know
suggests
to
me
that
that
there
has
been
a
policy
which
has
meant
or
a
practice,
which
has
meant
that
much
of
the
of
the
downtown
area
of
central
Kingston
certainly
has
been
on
public
land,
and
this
represents
a
bit
of
an
exception.
It
seems
to
me
because
it's
going
to
be
a
very
important
part
of
the
public
walkway
and
it's
not
just
a
minor
amount
of
of
space.
E
The
question
which
arises
from
this
is
the
commitment
or
the
responsibility
might
be
the
better
word
of
the
of
the
owners.
You
know
to
maintain
this,
and
maybe
this
goes
back
to
the
notion
of
an
easement,
but
the
waterfront
walkway
is
a
very
important
thing
and
the
continuation
of
it
are
the
completion
of
it.
If
you
like
is,
is
very
important
and
I'd
like
to
ask
about
how
it
is
that
what
responsibilities
are
you
anticipate
taking
or
if
this
has
been
thought
about
to
do
maintaining
in
this
crucial
area,
this
public
right-of-way
on
private
property.
W
Thank
you
for
your
question
and
I'll
start
and
Marc
may
may
jump
in
so
at
this
point,
I
mean
this.
This
is
really
one
of
the
critical
aspects
of
the
project
is
figuring
out.
All
of
these
questions
about
ownership
and
an
access
and
ultimately
land
management
and
responsibility,
so
I
think
I
mean
in
a
large
part.
That's
what
our
our
meeting
last
week
with
the
city
was
we're
starting
to
talk
through,
because
it's
quite
complicated
and
figuring
out
how
that
happens
in
what
all
the
options
are
that
are
on
the
table.
W
I
think
what
I
can
say
is
that
our
clients
interest
is,
is
in
making
this
as
as
public
as
possible
and
in
figuring
out
a
way
that
works
for
everybody.
We
haven't
committed
to
whether
it's
an
easement,
whether
it's
in
public
ownership,
whether
it's
in
private
ownership
with
public
access,
yet
because
it's
it's
just
too
early
in
the
process
to
know,
and
we
really
need
to
talk
that
all
through
and
but
it's
you
know
you're
in
my
mind,
that's
the
the
biggest
critical
question
from
a
public
interest
perspective
on
this
project.
W
V
As
Brennan
said
that
the
public
park
space,
the
open
space
waterfront
access,
especially
for
the
public,
is
a
very
important
part
of
this
project,
even
just
kind
of
used
down
lower
Union
Street
and
from
Ontario
Street
over
the
water
Emile
Dax.
It
all
key
principles
for
for
how
the
site
could
be
developed
and
the
owner
said
you
know.
Ultimately,
he
would
love
to
be
able
to
make
all
of
this
public
space
as
much
of
as
possible
and
all
of
it
as
possible.
V
The
site,
through
the
development
of
the
building
itself,
would
be
required
to
have
a
certain
amount
of
amenity
space
which
could
be
contained
all
within
the
buildings
so
to
meet
the
planning
requirements,
the
rest
of
it
all
the
way
around
the
building,
the
drydock
itself,
if
it's
possible
to
make
it
public.
That's
that's
what
they'd
like
to
do
there
are
certain
entitlements
of
the
city
would
have
to
parkland
on
the
site
as
part
of
development.
V
So
currently,
the
rule
is
that
10%
of
the
development
parcel
would
have
to
be
given
to
the
city
for
parkland
there's:
options
for
actual
ownership
by
the
city
versus
just
taking
an
easement.
For
example,
Battery
Park
is
just
an
easement.
Actually,
the
city
doesn't
own
that
it's
an
easement
because
there's
contaminated
lands
underneath
Battery
Park,
so
the
city
didn't
want
to
take
the
liability
of
that.
So
there's
various
mechanisms
where
the
city
can
obtain
rights
to
access
or
ownership.
V
There's
also
the
questions
of
brownfield
funding
for
remediation
and
give
and
take
on
that
for
parkland
acquisition
by
the
city
bonusing
all
those
different
things.
So
that's
because
there's
so
many
different
moving
pieces
around
that
part
of
it.
It's
hard
to
say
at
this
point
exactly
how
much
would
be
public
but
I
think
the
desire
certainly
is
to
to
make
as
much
of
it
publicly
accessible
as
possible.
So.
A
J
Thank
you
for
this
that
liked
the
presentation
and
the
question
that
comes
to
my
mind,
is
at
what
cost,
to
conservation
and
and
to
guide
development,
I,
just
think
of
remarkable
spaces
and
the
remarkable
dry
dock
and
the
remarkable
tower
the
tower
that
might
indicate
form
and
height
and
the
dry
dock
that
might
implicate
impact.
Like
you
know,
the
pump
house
that
move
this
water
out
of
this
space
and
and
I
can
definitely
see
a
juxtaposition
between
what's
a
good
cost,
to
get
the
preservation
and
at
what
cost,
to
develop.
J
The
new
and
I
would
just
say,
guide
the
new
to
be
as
conservative
as
possible,
but
also
to
illustrate
that
it
is
paying
for
what
what
we're
getting
and
and
in
as
much
as
appropriate
duvall
development
can
be
considered,
I
think
paying
for
what
we're
getting
and
if
we
can
get.
If
the
public
can
get
the
restoration
we
need
to
be.
We
need
to
be
accepting
of
at
what
cost
and
I'd
love
to
see
that
the
potential
of
the
restoration
of
the
site.
A
J
O
The
fact
that
it
is
an
area
where
there
is
a
tremendous
variety
of
species
of
wild
birds,
animals
that
live
in
that
area,
that's
going
to
dead
area
is
going
to
be
completely
destroyed
and
a
huge
Tower
of
a
building
like
that
and
I've
spoken
to
several
residents
in
the
area
all
the
way
around,
and
they
feel
as
I
do
that.
A
building
of
that
size
is
going
to
destroy
the
inherent
cultural
heritage
of
the
marine
museum
and
the
dry
dock
and
the
harbor
area.
A
L
So
the
heritage
elements
are
going
to
impact
everything
else
and
I'm
going
to
be
talking
about
some
of
things
that
are
going
to
impact
I
think
that's
seems
to
be
in
plate.
The
city
had
a
chance
to
buy
this
from
the
federal
government,
but
would
have
to
incur
a
very
large
expense
for
the
brownfield
considerations,
something
there
were
claimed
million
dollars.
L
L
So
that's
something
to
consider
my
own
view
right
now.
I'm
not
going
to
say
never.
I
think
that
the
scope
and
the
size
of
the
proposal
is
other
proportion,
with
the
Heritage
character
of
the
neighborhood
I'll,
be
very
concerned
about
the
safety
of
construction
when
you're
that
close
to
the
water's
edge
and
when
you're
that
close
to
a
brownfield
site
of
this
size.
L
Speaking
from
the
tax
standpoint,
there
are
a
couple
of
interesting
ideas:
I
can
I
come
up
with,
given
that
this
was
a
dry
dock
for
their
part
of
a
century
and
that
there
has
been
some
discussion
on
a
eat
water
dock
in
Kingston
being
installed
to
accommodate
large
ships
that
may
want
to
come
in
and
have
their
passengers
or
Kingston
that
this
may
be
a
possibility.
It
may
require
a
bigger
site
than
what
we
have
there
and
it's
been
talked
about
off
tanks
and
pan
and
Rieslings.
L
Ontario
Street
bannings
near
there
it's
busy
area
anyway.
So
my
idea
there
and
I'm-
not
you-
know
approving
the
project.
20
means,
but
a
tunnel
that
might
be
necessary
coming
off.
Ontario
Street
to
have
access
to
underground
parking
for
the
residents
of
the
balloon
might
be
a
concept
to
investigate
I.
L
Think
it
would
be
an
essential
for,
however,
the
site
is
developed
to
have
some
historical
connection
with
the
drydock
and
to
explain
in
detail
how
it
worked.
There's
been
some
panels
installed
there
to
explain
the
heritage
and
historical
nature
of
the
site,
and
those
are
outstanding
work
by
the
city,
research
that
was
done
there
I
walked
by
there
the
other
day
to
refresh
my
memory
on
on
the
site.
To
prepare
for
this
meeting
should
like
to
see
that
expanded
and
I
think
I
have
in
fact
walked
on
the
site
number
of
years
ago.
L
I
hadn't
been
down
there
recently,
but
they
didn't
have.
It
walked
off
physically,
so
I'm
in
good,
familiar
with
it
and
the
area
that
you're
describing
as
the
park
possibility
on
sure
to
the
top
right.
That
really
does
have
interesting
possibilities
and
I
think
maybe
one
of
your
slides
showed
that
you
envision
a
potential
walkway
sort
of
going
across
there
for
about
the
end
of
the
drydock
over
to
where
the
new
residential
is
going
to
be,
and
then
possibly
around
that.
L
L
Question
on
the
setbacks
from
the
water's
edge,
I'm,
not
sure
if
the
official
plan
in
terms
of
the
flowing
water
lies
here,
I
know
that
was
a
30
meter
setback
that
was
discussed
an
official
plan.
Then
they
only
apply
if
you
have
rivers
or
streams
in
your
bike.
But
clearly,
if
you
have
that
in
place
here,
you
have
no,
where
you
can
build,
because
that
entire
section
is
within
30
meters
of
the
water
in
some
way,
rather
right.
L
L
A
B
L
A
Other
members
of
the
public
please
come
forward
no
particular
order.
Just
everyone
will
get
a
chance
to
speak
so
just
to
remind
members
public,
because
the
last
speaker
mentioned
some
aspects
like
setbacks
and
things
I
got.
Those
are
planning
aspects
that
we
wouldn't
have
as
part
of
our
heritage
consideration
but
still
valid
point.
N
My
name
is
dawn
Mitchell
and
I
live
at
43,
Gibson
Avenue,
but
I'm,
also
speaking
on
behalf
of
Sidney
United
Church,
and
that
perspective,
though
not
for
my
employer,
since
I
first
saw
this
proposal
shaping
up.
This
is
going
to
come
down
to
I'm,
going
to
do
this
sort
of
as
quick
as
I
can.
But
it's
going
to
come
down
to
this
package
of
features
that
are
optimally
presented
to
buy
a
building
height.
N
So
I
also
had
a
question
about
the
official
plan
because
we
spent
what
two
years
or
something
talking
about
all
of
this
and
I'm
not
sure
how
this
falls
in
or
fits.
But
my
hope
would
be
that
this
would
fulfill
what
we
have
in
this
official
plan.
The
updated
version
that
we've
done
and
including
all
the
Heritage
aspects,
the
big
thing
I
wanted
to
talk
about
was
the
skyline.
So
Carl
Bray
will
explain
this
better
and
I'm.
N
Sure
he'll
get
lots
opportunity
to
comment
on
this,
but
when
we
were
talking
about
the
heritage
district
and
the
churches
that
are
in
it
and
I
work
in
a
building
is
probably
the
tallest
building
within
the
heritage
district
and
having
been
up
to
the
parapet
wall
and
actually
looked
out
from
the
highest
point
of
the
Heritage
District
Peter
will
be
really
glad
that
you
see
trees
and
nothing
but
trees
and
I
can
show
you
the
photos.
It's
incredible,
but
I
am
concerned
that
this
building,
where
it
is
I,
can
stand
it.
N
Winston,
Churchill,
school
and
I
can
see
the
spire
of
Siddim
Street,
United,
Church
I
can
go
over
onto
the
far
side
of
Sydenham,
Street
and
I
can
look
back
from
almost
skeleton.
Park
and
I
can
see
the
spires
of
various
buildings
and
I'm
concerned
about
this
building
and
to
be
cutesy.
You
know
they
used
to
use
the
spires
of
these
buildings
to
guide
ships,
so
it
is
a
part
of
that
intangible
heritage.
We
have
I'm
concerned
that
this
building
is
going
to
diminish
the
heritage.
N
District
I
think
that
the
Annandale
and
various
buildings
all
have
views
and
I'm
worried
that
25
stories
is
going
to
be
too
tall
for
that
and
I
do
believe.
Maybe
it's
a
stretch,
but
I
do
believe
that
we
should
be
satisfying
the
heritage
district
even
on
its
borders
and
I.
Don't
consider
border
across
a
street
I.
N
Consider
it
the
adjacent
areas,
particularly
when
they're,
apart
for
buildings
that
are
in
those
areas,
so
I
think
I've
mentioned
that
the
major
things
that
come
up
this
point
I
know
this
is
early
days,
but
the
other
thing
that
really
bothers
me
about
the
way
we
sometimes
do.
Our
business
is
the
city.
N
Is
we
compartmentalize
things
and-
and
it
concerns
me
that
this
is
sort
of
carved
compartmentalizing,
let's
make
a
decision
in
this
very
small
area,
but
I
actually
think
that
this
is
very
intrinsic
to
the
whole
downtown
core
and
so
I
hope
that
you'll
think
carefully
about
that.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
M
I
have
to
say,
I'm
very
much,
oh
hell
infinitely
and
in
concert
with
the
previous
speakers
and
I
wanted
to
point
out
a
couple
of
things.
One
is
the
mention
by
Frank
Dixon
of
the
deepwater
port
and
the
possibilities
there.
That
has
been
around
for
a
long
time
as
an
idea,
and
if,
if
you
look
forward
in
our
whole
tourism
program,
this
would
be
a
fabulous
thing
to
have
happen,
because
I've
traveled
to
places
where
the
cruise
ships
come
in
there
won't
be
a
ton
of
cruise
ships
coming
in
here.
M
We
know
that,
but
first
of
all
they
come
without
cars,
and
that
is
a
real
bonus
and
there
are
a
lot
of
tours
now
that
go
to
Fort
Henry
and
go
back
up
to
401
and
drive
to
the
shopping
center
and
have
lunch.
They
don't
even
hardly
set
foot
in
the
downtown
and
I
think
that
that
idea
of
cruise
ships,
the
other
one,
is
a
shuttle
from
Fort.
Henry
is
another
one
and
it
brings
people
and,
of
course,
people
bring
money.
That's
what
tourism
is
all
about.
Really
so
I
think
that
that
should
be
investigated.
M
I,
too,
have
trouble
with
the
height
which
I
think
will
dwarf
the
heritage,
is
a
children's
story
about
the
little
house
in
New
York,
it's
been
around
since
the
30s,
and
this
is
this
little
little
house
that
finally
gets
so
lost
because
and
it's
a
ban
it's
abandoned
at
that
point
because
of
the
high-rise
buildings
and
the
descendants
of
the
original
owners.
When
it
was
a
little
farm
house
came
and
bought
it
and
moved
it
out
of
there
back
to
its
original
setting,
and
you
could
just
see
that
it
had
no
meaning
in
there.
M
So
I
think
there
has
to
be
a
consciousness
of
that.
The
other
thing
I
would
suggest
is
that
you
not
just
this
discussion
has
been
about
the
land
that
you
not
just
look
at
your
project.
That
way.
I
was
fortunate
enough
to
spend
a
number
of
summers
on
Garden
Island,
so
I
made
out
in
both
from
there
all
the
time,
and
when
you
see
the
skyline
and
what's
happened
to
it
from
the
water
and
Garden
Islands
about
two
miles.
M
I
don't
know
how
far
it
is
to
wolf
Island,
but
you
do
get
a
perspective
along
along
the
the
edge
and
it
is
I
often
think
would
they
ever
have
allowed
that
if
they
considered
it
from
the
water,
so
I
would
like
to
suggest
that
you
think
about
that,
and
is
it
I
just
put
this
question
to
you?
Is
it
a
reasonable
thing
in
order
to
have
a
developer,
preserve
designated
properties
that
are
national,
historic
sites
that
that
person
should
be
allowed
to
develop
two
or
three
more
stories?
M
M
Bonusing
I,
wonder
how
many
you
said,
300
units
and
how
many
units
per
floor
is
that
going
to
be
and
I'm
not
sure
how
the
developer
goes
about
arriving
at
the
number
of
units.
What
happens
is
council
and
the
city
and
the
public
kept
safe?
We
need
this
number
of
units
and
this
number
of
stories
in
order
to
make
it
feasible.
That
means
if
we
don't
get
that
we
can't
build
it,
but
you
know
there
are
different
ways
of
looking
at
it,
because
the
I
don't
believe
the
city
ever
says.
M
Well,
all
right,
you
should
show
us
your
figures.
They
just
believe
that,
and
there
may
be
other
ways
of
looking
at
it.
If
you
have
the
the
evidence,
so
the
proportion
we
don't
know-
and
it
would
be
hard
for
a
developer
to
come
up
over
40
years,
how
much
money
they're
going
to
make
on
that
building
and
but
I
do
think
it's
worth
considering
and
it
shouldn't
be
accepted
as
a
statement
that
is
necessarily
true
and
also
the
percentage
of
investment
of
a
the
percentage
that
is
profit
in
all
the
figuring.
O
O
A
Thank
you
so
I
guess,
that's
all
the
members
of
public
that
wish
to
speak.
We're
still
in
free
consultation
to
members
of
the
committee
may
similarly
may
wish
to
offer
suggestions.
So
maybe
I
don't
know.
Maybe
I'll
kick
things
off,
because
I
wrote
down
a
couple
of
ideas,
so
this
is
just.
This
is
just
me
commenting
as
the
chair
of
heritage
and
lifelong
resident
of
Kingston
who's.
Aware
of
the
you
know,
up
to
the
ward,
so
I'm
aware
of
the
heritage,
and
the
aspect
here
that
really
jumps
out
is
the
maritime
aspect.
A
The
maritime
history
I
mean
it's
it's
obvious,
but
it
also
can't
be
stated
too
many
times.
This
was
a
shipyard.
This
was
a
dry
dock
and
cornerstone,
of
course,
led
by
Sir
John,
a
warships
built
in
both
world
wars,
but
especially
Second
World
War,
that
that
were
part
of
the
Battle
of
Atlantic,
which
we
still
commemorate
every
year.
Warships
built
right
in
that
drydock
I'd
like
to
see
more
interpretive
plaques,
that
that
show
some
of
those
photos
and
perhaps
drawings
of
some
of
those
small
warships
that
were
built
right
here
in
Kingston.
A
But
warships
aside,
the
the
shipyard
continued
until
very
recently,
actually,
almost
until
my
light
at
the
beginning
of
my
life
and
I
never
saw
the
shipyard
in
action,
but
it
was
so
in
such
a
recent
time
that
I
was
aware
of
it
and
I've
always
wondered
what
what
our
weather
water
front
looked
like
in
the
past
and
every
time
I
see
photos
of
it.
I'm
struck
by
how
disconnected
those
pictures
are
from
what
we
see
today.
Today's
culture
centered
around
the
car
and
and
asphalt
and
all
that
stuff.
A
So
you
know
it
used
to
be
railroads
and
ships
were
dominating
our
waterfront
and
there
was
actually
a
rail
where
the
surge
on
a
engine
is
outside
here
that
railroad
used
to
cross
by
for
panic
over
to
where
Doug
Fir
Park
is
on
a
on
a
span
that
went
over
the
water
and
the
trains
would
come
right
into
downtown
and
what
was
downtown
there
was
all
these
piers
and
that
all
had
ships
on
them
at
all
times.
So
this
is
the
like
was
mentioned
by
the
very
first
remember
the
public.
A
This
was
the
last
remnant
of
our
maritime
past
and,
yes,
it's
national
historic
sites
was
protected,
but
in
this
kind
of
conversation,
very
easy
to
say,
I,
don't
like
the
idea
of
a
tall
building.
I
love
this,
but
really
here
at
Heritage
I
mean
when
I'm
representing
Sydenham
when
I
vote,
a
council
I
might
be
saying
different
things,
but
here
at
Heritage
what
we
need
to
do.
What
can
we
offer
as
constructive
suggestions
in
the
design?
What
could
make
this
work?
A
So
the
suggestion
is
a
tall
building
needs
to
have
a
certain
amount
of
income
to
pay
for
the
restoration
work
to
make
this
site
continue
to
be
viable
to
preserve
it
for
future
generations.
That's
the
premise:
that's
the
hypothesis
so
I'm
willing
to
entertain
that,
but
I
would
say
that
the
very
primary
the
foundation
of
all
your
work
and
you're
all
going
to
do
design
work
should
be
the
maritime
aspect
of
the
site.
A
You
can't
get
away
from
it
and
you
also
can't
lose
by
emphasizing
it
so
I
would
suggest
you
consider
a
nautical
theme
for
the
building
itself.
I
was
just
in
Norfolk
Virginia.
They
have
a
brand
new
museum
there.
It's
called
Nauticus
and
it's
next
to
a
world
war
ii
battleship,
which
is
a
monstrous
ship.
The
biggest
ship
you're
ever
going
to
see
with
gigantic
16-inch
guns-
and
you
know
just
like
in
the
war
movies.
But
it's
it's
part
of
the
museum.
A
So
we
had
the
Alexander
Henry,
they
have
this
gigantic
battleship
Wisconsin
and
then
they
have
a
whole
building,
which
is
a
modern
building.
But
it's
not
a
nautical
theme,
so
it
fits
with
the
ship
in
the
building
complement
each
other.
We
don't
have
a
ship
anymore
in
the
drydock,
but
but
that
doesn't
mean
we
can't
have
the
exact
use
continue
with
this
idea
of
a
deepwater
dock.
A
So
when
Council
discussed
this
and
strategic
priorities
was
very
beginning
of
my
term
as
councilor,
and
someone
threw
out
the
number
three
million
dollars
as
a
possibility
about
what
it
would
take
to
to
install
appear
that
deepwater,
like
a
deep
ship
with
a
deep
draft,
would
be
able
to
use.
So
that's
along
the
lines
of
the
kind
of
numbers
we're
hearing
for
the
restoration
work
of
these
existing
piers,
which
I
believe
you're
correct.
A
That
their
peers
and
not
wharfs
they've,
always
referred
to
as
wharfs,
but
if
it
juts
out
into
the
water,
then
it's
appear
and
and
that's
what
you
need
for
a
deepwater
ship
as
well.
So
it's
already
there
and
historically
that's
what
was
built
here.
It
was
so
that
large
ships
could
good
more
hair.
So
why
don't
we
restore
that
use?
That
would
be
a
much
greater
community
benefit
than
anything
you
might
mention
when
it
comes
to
waterfront
access
for
the
simple
fact
that,
as
mr.
A
Finley
mentioned,
it
brings
pedestrians
into
the
downtown
without
their
vehicles,
their
vehicles,
the
gigantic
ship
that
brings
them
here,
but
after
they
get
off
the
ship
they're
pedestrians,
that's
what
we
vitalizes
the
downtown
is
pedestrian
activity.
It
would
be
an
instant
injection
of
activity
and
it's
worth
its
weight
in
gold.
So
that's
very
exciting
as
far
as
the
idea
of
a
shuttle
from
Fort,
Henry
and
so
on.
Why
not
a
Water
Taxi
that
goes
across
is
we're
talking
about
the
water.
A
Now,
let's
get
back
to
our
maritime
routes,
the
water
was
used
as
wings
transportation,
a
water
taxi,
exactly
like
the
tour
trolley,
except
on
the
water
that
goes
and
visits
all
of
the
sites
that
are
the
sort
sites
that
are
assorted,
that
are
accessible
from
the
water
again
at
the
in
itself
is
a
historic
use
using
the
water
as
a
means
of
transportation.
Again,
you
would
need
a
functional
pier
for
that
to
work.
A
The
other
thing
would
be
the
the
possibility
of
getting
income
from
ships
mooring
there.
The
similar
as
the
crawford
wharf
does
near
the
holiday
inn,
that's
used
as
a
tourist
Wharf,
where
people
actually
board
the
ships
there,
and
that
brings
income.
So
that's
that's
actually
another
source
of
income
for
the
owner,
I,
don't
think
it
can
be
overstated
or
overlooked
so
that
all
is
consistent
with
the
heritage.
Aspects
of
this
site
and
I
think
would
really
create
some
synergy
with
the
pump
house
and
the
drydock
and
everything
there.
A
And,
of
course,
you
could,
even
though
the
marine
museum
is
gone,
the
aspects
on
the
site
that
are
fascinating
to
all
ages
are
the
historical
aspect,
so
that
can
you
can
always
incorporate
that
into
into
your
design,
whether
it's
public
or
private,
because
it
is
a
provide
value
to
any
observer,
whether
they're
tourists
or
a
resident,
a
resident
of
the
building
or
a
resident
of
a
neighboring
building
to
it
to
create
acceptance.
Is
this.
A
Interpretive
work
that
would
be
done
to
highlight
the
history
of
the
site.
I
mean
it's
very
surface.
Another
tall
condo
building
on
our
waterfront
doesn't
do
anything
to
accentuate
our
heritage
by
itself,
so
that,
if
that
is,
that
may
be
the
price
that
we
have
to
pay
to
get
anything
done
on
the
site.
But
I
would
say.
If
you
ignore
the
the
nautical
aspect
and
the
heritage
of
our
nautical
and
shipyards
history,
you
will
not
be
able
to
find
a
design
that
is
accepted
by
the
public.
A
E
Thank
you.
This
is
really
a
comment
that
is
directed
marching
staff
than
to
consultants
who
are
who
are
here
but
I,
don't
know
quite
what
a
pre-application
consultation
is
expected
to
be,
but
I
do
know
that
the
only
specific
bit
of
information
that
we
got
for
this
meeting
was
the
proposal
for
a
tall
apartment
building
on
the
site.
I
find
it
very
difficult.
E
I'll
be
stronger
in
my
language
in
this
I
find
it
improper
to
expect
myself,
as
a
member
of
this
committee,
to
come
and
have
meaningful
things
to
say
to
consultants
who
are
preparing
a
proposal
if
they
don't
give
us
any
information
ahead
of
time,
and
this
is
the
responsibility
not
of
the
consultants
but
of
the
I.
Think
of
the
staff.
I
I
came
to
this
pre-application
consultation,
which
is
an
important
part
of
a
process,
but
I
came
without
having
been
offered.
E
E
It's
very
frustrating
and
I
want
to
express
his
frustration
because
I
don't
want
to
be
at
other
a
pre-application
consultation
again
with
such
an
important
matters,
we're
dealing
with
today
and
and
to
have
as
little
to
think
about
ahead
of
time
to
try
and
prepare
some
constructive
czar
some
constructive
remarks.
I
I
find
it
it's
frustrating
it's
it's
I
think
it's
wrong
and
I
want
to
say
that,
because
I
think
it
could
be
a
more,
it
could
be
a
lot
more
useful
and
occasion.
E
P
Another
called
the
Labour
cultural
regeneration
mandate
in
Glasgow
and
other
European
cities
who,
of
course
deal
with
the
redevelopment
of
you,
know:
heritage
sites,
much
older,
more
complex
than
the
ones
here
and
I
think
they're
a
good
source
best
practice,
I.
Think
I'm,
not
against
residential,
build
I
live
in
that
area.
Myself,
I'm
innocent
award
but
I
think
it's
critical
to
get
an
appropriate
balance
as
a
mixed-use
site,
and
you
know
outside
of
protecting
and
preserving
and
acknowledging
the
Heritage
attributes
of
this
site.
P
As
a
Peter
and
other
folks
have
mentioned,
I
would
suggest
that
the
building
itself
could
offer
an
aesthetic
design
value
and
could
brand
that
site
I
mean
this
could
be
a
premier
site
if
it's
balanced
appropriately.
So
you
know
I
think
there's
lots
of
potential
here
and
I
really
like
the
first
part
of
your
of
your
presentation
now.
P
This
is
a
regular
issue
coming
up
into
the
development
of
the
downtown
core
tall,
modern,
looking
buildings
and
it's
a
concern
and
I
find
it
tiresome
and
I.
Think.
To
be
blunt,
it
reflects
the
lack
of
innovation,
there's
a
lot
of
other
options
in
which
can
be
profitable
for
the
private
business
sector,
as
well
as
helping
to
create
a
livable
city
which
I
saw
a
big
sign
for
downstairs,
know
livable
city
awards
and
I
would
just
really
encourage
you
to
look
at
there's
some
really
really
great
examples
across
the
board.
A
A
P
One
time
I
wrote
something
fairly
extensive,
I,
just
sort
of
got
cut
off
and
I
was
explaining
what
I
meant
by
a
a
balanced
mix.
You
cite
you
know,
retail
options,
other
options,
including
creative
industries,
public
public
spaces,
green
spaces,
as
well
as
private,
residential
and
I
made
a
point
about.
If
you
haven't
already
look
at
the
cultural
plant,
Kingston
cultural
plan
there's
a
lot
in
there
about
spaces
and
the
value
of
spaces
and
I
think
it
would
be
great
aesthetic,
as
well
as
heritage
side
point.
G
G
G
G
The
first
thing
that
came
to
mind
because
of
what
we've
talked
about
learned
today,
is
if
those
properties
have
been
severed
into
it,
becomes
incredibly
important
for
this
council
in
the
city
to
treat
it
always
as
one
package,
because
it's
designated
as
one
package
would
be
way
too
easy
to
suddenly
have
this
green
space
turned
into
a
totally
separate
and
the
drydock
and
the
building's
the
previous
marine
museum
buildings
be
treated
as
a
separate
parcel.
It's
one
big
parcel
which
brings
it
to
what
people
are
talking
about.
This
idea,
the
300
unit
building.
G
We
know
that
the
Royal
Gorge
down
the
way
is
selling
for
a
million
and
up
in
condos.
So
you
can
see
300
units
we're
talking
at
seven
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
each
two
hundred
and
twenty-five
million
dollars.
So
we're
talking
huge
money
here
that
would
build
a
repair.
The
wharves
repurpose,
the
buildings
leave
lots
of
profit,
so
the
balance
for
the
city
and
livability
is
this.
Balance
of.
We
would
like
to
see
the
property
I
presume
as
a
city
restored.
G
G
We
recognize
somebody's
bought
it
it's
going
to
cost
a
lot
of
money
to
fix
up
the
waterfront
and
and
I
presume
as
a
city.
We
would
like
that,
but
we
don't
want
to
give
away
the
store
in
ugliness
and
massing
to
have
the
marine
museum
and
the
drydock
preserved.
So
we
have
a
big
big
handle
and
it
is
up
to
the
city.
It's
it's.
You
know
the
waterfront
walkway
will
be
created
because
the
city
says
we
want
that
easement.
We
have
the
right
to
that
interesting.
G
When
you
talked
about
sailing
I
thought
about
the
North
Block
and
mr.
taupe,
might
he
could
probably
find
it
pretty
fast
staff
good
one
of
the
proposed
designs
that
the
city
throughout
as
let's
do
something
magical
on
North
Block
was
a
building
that
looked
like
a
sail.
It
was
quite
lovely,
so
I
think
that
whole
idea
of
innovative
design
is
really
important
too.
We
want
something
special
here.
We
know
there's
a
lot
of
money
to
be
made
on
this
property
by
a
developer.
We
know
already
right
beside
their
properties.
G
G
So
the
developer
could
be
happy
and
we'll
never
be
happy.
I,
wouldn't
I
would
prefer
not
another
tall
tall
building
on
the
water
big
time,
but
there's
reality
and
then
there's
what
I
wish
for
I
also
would
love
to
see
a
deep
water
dock,
but
I
can't
imagine
it
would
make
the
kind
of
money
that
you're
talking
about
with
this
condo
building
so
but
I
sure
would
love
to
see
a
deep-water
dock
there.
Thank
you.
A
A
A
It's
it's
safe
and
it's
everybody
used
to
it,
so
it
gets
accepted
in
there
certain
sense,
however,
it's
not
inspiring
in
the
least
so
that
is
I'd
like
you
to
consider
that
as
a
juxtaposition
that
the
more
you
look
like
one
of
those
blocky
buildings,
the
worse
it'll,
be
for
you
and
the
more
you
can
be
like
a
sail
shaped
building
or
in
some
kind
of
innovative
design,
because
there
are
tall
buildings
in
this
world
that
are
beautiful
and
they're.
How
always
have
been
architects
have
always
created
beautiful
buildings.
A
We
just
don't
seem
to
have
any
of
them
being
built
in
cakes
in
these
days,
but
that
doesn't
mean
it
can't
happen.
So
that's
your
challenge
as
an
architect
is
to
come
up
with
a
design
that
people
are
going
to
gasp
at
because
it's
so
beautiful.
So
that's
another
aspect
that
also
like
I
say
it
needs
to
have
a
nautical
theme
or
it
will
probably
fail
at
this
location.
V
Conscious
of
time
so
we'll
try
to
be
brief
and
we're
always
happy
to
answer
questions
outside
of
this
forum.
First
thing
just
to
come
to
staffs
defense
on
the
point
raised
by
Peter
about
not
having
enough
information
and
that's
our
our
fault.
We
had
intended
on
providing
more
information
to
the
committee
ahead
of
time,
so
you
did
have
that
time
to
prepare.
Unfortunately,
we
didn't
get
it
to
you
until
yesterday,
I
guess
so
the
day
before.
So
that
was
not
staffs
part.
We
did.
V
We
had
asked
to
stay
on
this
date
just
because
we're
trying
to
continue
to
get
feedback
as
we
progress
so
we'll
take
the
blame
on
that.
One
certainly
I'll
hand
some
stuff
off
here
and
there's
a
question
about
the
deepwater
dock
I'll
answer
that
one
just
because
it
has
come
up
over
the
past
18
months.
V
Profitable
venture
I
guess
for
the
city
in
that
capacity,
so
I
think
there
is
information
there
about
it
and
the
developer
I
know
is
open
to
that,
because
that
was
part
of
the
early
conversations.
So
you
know
if
there
is
desire
for
that
I
think
that's
still
a
possibility,
but
I
know
there
is
some
information
as
a
staff
level
on
on
that.
U
The
language
that
we're
using
for
at
the
shoreline
is,
you
know,
one
huge
investment
that
needs
to
happen
when
we're
looking
at
a
site
like
this
from
a
heritage
perspective,
we
our
office,
does
these
kind
of
these
layers
of
analysis
to
understand
the
site.
So
first
we
look
at
it
purely
from
its
historical
point
of
view.
In
terms
of
where
value
lies,
we
look
at
understanding
how
the
how
the
actual
the
built
features
of
the
site
have
evolved
over
time
and
then
from
there
in
terms
of
understanding
where
development
is
best
suited
on
the
site.
U
We're
really
looking
at
preserving
as
many
of
those
attributes
as
possible
and
locating
it
so
that
we
are
preserving
the
landmark
status
of
this
building
that
it
has
right
now,
that's
very
important
for
us.
We
do
see
this
as
an
important
node
along
the
waterfront
and
has
huge
potential
as
a
destination
as
well
or
I
mean
it's
already
a
destination,
but
really
building
upon
that
status.
U
To
make
something
wonderful
here
and
I
think
what
Renton
has
been
showing
in
terms
of
how
to
really
engage
the
landscape
as
well
as
the
building
is
a
really
important
part
of
placemaking.
Here
we
are
very
diligent,
as
in
thinking
about
all
the
views
and
the
ways
that
this
building
will
be
looked
at.
U
I
really
appreciated
the
comment
about
going
out
to
Wolf
Island
and
looking
back
at
the
skyline
and
understanding
that
view
of
this
within
the
designation,
we
are
required
to
look
at
views
to
the
building,
as
well
as
out
from
the
building
to
other
parts
of
the
site.
There
are
requirements
in
the
opie
that
we
have
to
look
at
in
terms
of
looking
down
from
the
syndrome
district
area
as
well
as
looking
back
at
the
cupola.
U
We
do
see
this
as
a
landmark
site,
and
we
do
want
to
have
some
sort
of
spectacular
architecture
here
and
I
really
do
like
the
word
gasps
worthy
site
and
building
here
and
I.
Think
that's
all
what
we're
looking
forward
to
here
as
much
you
know
professionally,
but
as
well
as
making
sure
that
we
create
something
that
a
stark
contrast
to
the
Heritage.
That's
there
in
terms
of
we're
not
kind
of
blurring
how
it
how
it
fits
in
the
evolution
of
the
site,
but
really
figuring
out
a
way
to
rebrand
the
site.
U
As
you
were
saying
before,
so
we're
just
going
to
keep
plugging
away
at
it
and
the
more
people
can
that
people
can
provide
input
to
us,
I
think
the
the
better
outcome
that
we'll
get.
We
really
do
think
see
this
as
an
iterative
process,
so
we
hope
that
everyone
will
engage
as
much
as
possible.
I,
don't
know
if
people
know,
but
we
do
have
a
public
meeting
on
the
9th.
U
W
I,
don't
have
a
whole
lot
to
add
beyond
what
my
colleagues
had
said,
but
I
just
wanted
to
reiterate
that
a
lot
of
people
spoke
about
the
huge
potential
for
interpreting
the
conserve
maritime
history
and
the
component
parts
of
the
drydock
and
the
buildings
in
the
pump
and
all
of
the
amazing
stuff
that
that
we've
been
able
to
see
and
be
inspired
by
so
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
it's
helpful
to
hear
that
it
helps
us
know
that
we're
on
the
right
track
and
I
think
we're
going
to
be.
You
know
we
haven't.
A
P
V
Thanks
for
the
plug
s,
oh
it's
from
6:00
to
8:00
p.m.
on
Tuesday
at
Queen's
University,
in
the
alumni
lounge
and
in
the
arc
and
a
rec
center.
So
it's
Lindsey,
Lambert
who's.
The
planner
of
the
files
have
the
details.
If
anybody
wants
to
know
specifically,
I
can
provide
them
as
well.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
D
You
mr.
chair,
just
just
for
clarification,
that's
a
non-statutory
public
meeting.
So
it's
something
that
the
proponent
is
putting
on
just
as
a
matter
of
continuing
the
conversation
and
I
think
you
know.
The
chairs
mentioned
this
at
the
outside
of
this
discussion,
but
there
will
be
statutory
processes
to
follow.
A
Okay,
so
the
three
working
group.
The
next
item,
is
three
working
group
reports
that
we
can
receive
quickly
to
get
them
on
the
record.
So
I
need
a
motion
to
a
mover
and
a
seconder
to
approve
the
three
working
group
reports,
so
the
Heritage
properties,
the
cultural
heritage
and
the
heritage
assets
moved
by
Dawn
seconded
by
Councillor,
shell,
all
those
in
favor
and
that
carries-
and
what's
a
little
motion.
A
A
Okay,
so
it's
a
limited-edition,
Lionel,
pink
model,
train
1957
that
looks
like
it's
being
donated,
so
we
need
a
motion
to
receive
this
item
into
the
Civic
collection
moved
by
Councillor
cell
second
by
Sherman.
This
is
for
the
the
Train
exhibit
at
the
pump
house,
ski
museum.
So
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that
carries
thank
you.