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Heritage Kingston from October 20, 2021. For the full meeting agenda please visit https://bit.ly/3E2rVHc.
A
All
right
good
morning,
mr
chair
and
committee,
welcome
to
this
morning's
heritage.
Kingston
meeting
it's
now
9
30
and
mr
chair.
I
do
see
that
we
have
quorum.
I
just
want
to
check
in
and
see.
Janine
o'reilly
is
joining
us
via
phone.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
can
hear
before
we
get
started
so
janine.
Are
you
able
to
hear
me.
A
So
joining
us
from
the
committee
are
peter
gower
as
chair
counselor,
doherty,
councillor,
osterhoff,
jane
mcfarland,
donald
mitchell,
janine,
o'reilly,
ted
smith
and
donald
taylor
missing
this
morning.
Currently
is
jennifer
demeter,
who
should
hopefully
be
joining
us
soon.
Oh
there's
jennifer
there
perfect.
I
see
you
jennifer
waving
at
me.
Excellent
and
moya.
Doomville
should
hopefully
be
joining
us
shortly
as
well.
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
D
E
C
C
C
C
C
F
For
my
thank
you
for
my
presentation
here
we
go
so
this
is
an
application
for
the
property
at
488.
It
does
actually
include
include
482,
but
just
for
clarity.
There
was
a
approved
consent
for
the
property,
but
unfortunately
the
conditions
lacked.
So
it
is
still
one
property
which
includes
42
and
48..
F
So
it's
an
application
for
alteration
under
section
34
of
the
ontario
heritage,
deck
to
install
painted
black
metal,
fencing
along
the
front
of
the
property,
which
is
the
east
property
line
facing
division
street
next
slide.
Please,
the
property
is
located
on
the
west
side
of
division
street,
just
north
of
concession
and
south
of
guy
street
next
slide.
Please,
the
property
contains
a
one
and
a
half
story,
stone
house
which
was
constructed
sometime
between
1860
and
1878..
F
Next
slide,
please,
so
the
property
was
designated
under
part
four
of
the
act
in
2017.
It
is
a
good
example
of
a
classically
balanced
stone
house.
It
is
also
associated
with
john
bryant
jr,
a
farmer
horse
driver
and
stone
dealer
who
constructed
the
house
and
lived
in
it
with
his
wife
and
daughters.
You'll
see
a
list
of
cultural
heritage
attributes
all
to
do
with
the
exterior
of
the
building.
F
F
Next
slide,
please
so
the
proposed
fencing
complies
and
again.
This
is
just
the
the
survey
of
the
property
showing
you
the
two
locations
of
the
five
foot,
fencing
to
the
front
on
the
east
property
line,
so
the
fence
does
comply
with
the
city
of
kingston's
fence
bylaw,
which
limits
the
height
of
fences
to
1.8
meters
or
six
feet.
So
this
is
a
five
foot
fence,
that's
being
proposed
as
a
result
will
not
obscure
the
heritage
building
or
any
of
its
attributes
noted
in
the
designation
by
law.
F
Additionally,
along
the
northern
end
of
the
front
property
line,
the
land
rises
slightly
up
from
the
sidewalk,
so
the
house
is
slightly
risen
up.
As
a
result,
the
fencing
will
be
even
less
visually
intrusive.
On
views
of
this
house,
the
vertical
railing
style
will
also
ensure
better
visibility
of
the
house
and
its
attributes
because
obviously
allow
some
transparency
through
there,
in
contrast
to
say,
a
close
closed-boarded
fence,
for
example,
so
the
old
sydney
heritage
conservation
district
advises
that
fencing
on
private
property
should
be
of
high
quality
and
constructed
of
wood
iron
or
stone.
F
Again.
These
are
designed
these
guidelines
were
designed
for
the
old
sydney
area,
but
certainly,
I
think
the
idea
that
fencing
should
be
traditionally
have
a
high
quality
appearance
on
a
heritage
property
is,
is
relevant
and
staff
are
confident
that
the
painted
black
metal
vertical
railing
will
accomplish
this
goal
next
slide.
Please
so
section
4.1
of
the
standards
and
guidelines
does
include
guidelines
for
cultural
landscapes,
although
the
subject
probably
is
not
identified
as
a
cultural
heritage
landscape.
F
The
introduction
to
this
section
does
speak
to
the
important
contribution
of
setting
to
buildings,
as
well
as
how
setting
often
corresponds
to
the
visible
boundaries
of
the
site.
So,
in
this
instance,
the
installation
of
fencing
has
the
potential
to
impact
the
setting
of
this
building,
whether
negatively
or
positively,
and
having
reviewed
the
height
and
design
of
the
proposed
fence
and
heritage
planning.
Staff
are
satisfied
that
the
fence
will
have
a
neutral,
possibly
positive,
impact
on
the
cultural
heritage,
value
and
character
of
the
property.
F
F
This
is
to
ensure
that
the
final
selection
falls
within
the
supportable
parameters
of
height
transparency
and
being
painted
black.
In
summary,
the
proposed
fencing
will
not
detract
from
the
heritage,
building
or
its
attributes
and
is
a
reversible
alteration
in
terms
of
comments
from
our
technical
review.
Everybody
internally
was
happy.
It
complies
with
defense,
bylaw,
responding
members
from
heritage
kingston,
provided
they
had
no
concerns
with
the
fence
so
long
as
it
is
painted
black
and
additionally,
one
member
commented
that
it
should
be
sturdy
and
securely
installed.
F
Given
high
foot
traffic
along
division
street,
if
we
move
to
the
next
slide,
we'll
have
the
recommendation
in
front
of
you,
which
is
quite
simple.
I
would
add
that
condition.
2
is
a
little
bit
of
an
oversight
on
my
part,
as
there
won't
be
a
building
permit
required
for
this
installation,
but
condition
three
does
that
require
the
finalized
details
of
the
design
to
be
submitted
to
staff.
Nonetheless,
thank
you
very
much.
C
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C
C
C
F
Correct
we're
in
market
square
heritage,
conservation,
district,
yep,
good
move.
Thank
you.
So
we
have
an
application
for
both
demolition
and
alteration
under
section
42
of
the
ontario
heritage
act,
which
is
to
request
approval
to
demolish
the
rear
editions,
as
well
as
portions,
of
the
rear,
stonewall
and
gable
roof
on
the
original
building
and
to
construct
a
three-story
rear
addition
and
to
restore
the
facade
of
the
original
building.
So
it's
quite
a
project
slide
two
please.
F
F
The
subject:
property
contains
a
two
and
a
half
story:
limestone
building
constructed
around
1840.
It's
now
known
as
the
matheson
atkinson
building
next
slide.
Please,
the
property
was
designated
as
part
of
the
market
square
heritage,
conservation
district
back
in
1985,
the
2013
market
square
heritage
conservation
district
plan
notes
that
this
property
is
a
representative
example
of
commercial
construction
in
kingston
from
the
early
to
mid-1800s.
F
According
to
the
district
plan,
there
are
three
key
exterior
attributes
that
embody
this
heritage
valley,
which
includes
the
rebel
stone,
facade,
divided
into
five
bays,
the
second
floor
window,
openings
with
a
flat-headed,
segmented,
arch
and
stone
sill,
and
the
shed
roof
with
sidewall
parapets
and
gable
style
dormers.
I
will
just
add
that
the
heritage
impact
statement
that
accompanied
this
application,
which
is
authored
by
andre
shineman,
did
clarify
that
the
property's
roof
is
a
side,
gable
roof
and
not
a
shed
roof.
F
As
noted
before,
however,
we
believe
that
the
sort
of
emphasis
on
the
shed
roof
has
to
do
with
the
fact
that
the
front
portion
of
the
of
the
roof
is
really
what
is
is
critical
in
this
situation
next
slide,
please
so.
Staff
visited
the
site
on
two
different
occasions,
both
in
august
and
also
in
september,
to
meet
with
the
architect
the
builder
and
the
property
owner.
F
The
subject
property
has
certainly
does
form
part
of
a
significant
historic
streetscape
and
is
perimeter
to
the
market
square
heritage
conservation
district
next
plan
next
slide,
please
so
to
facilitate
the
internal
improvements
of
the
restaurant
to
construct
the
new
three-story
edition
demolition
of
the
existing
rear.
One
and
two-story
additions,
as
well
as
the
rear,
roof
slope
of
the
original
building
and
portions
of
the
rear,
stone
wall
and
side
east
pair
wall
will
be
required
to
facilitate
that
new
addition.
F
Section
5.4
demolition
in
the
district
plan
clearly
states
that
the
city
of
kingston
does
not
support
demolition
in
part
or
hold
an
existing
building
within
the
district.
However,
in
this
specific
situation,
the
majority
of
the
demolition
pertains
to
the
relatively
contemporary
one
and
two
story
additions
to
the
rear,
as
well
as
the
rear,
roof
slope
and
wall
of
the
original
building,
none
of
which
are
listed
as
heritage
attributes
on
the
subject.
F
Property
next
slide,
please,
as
noted
in
andre
simon's
heritage
impact
statement,
the
rear
stonewall
of
the
original
building
has
was
heavily
modified
during
the
1960s
renovation
of
the
property,
as
well
as
at
ground
level,
so
the
rear
stonewall
was
completely
removed
at
ground
level.
For
the
for
the
one-story
addition,
the
proposal
includes
retaining
as
much
of
the
existing
rear
stone
wall
within
the
new
residential
units
as
possible.
F
F
So
an
important
component
of
the
rehabilitation
of
this
building
is
the
restoration
of
the
facade
facing
springer
market
square.
The
intention
is
to
repair
the
facade
with
the
following
new
interventions:
reopening
the
fifth
window.
On
the
second
floor,
the
installation
of
all
new
windows
and
doors
the
like
for,
like
replacement
of
the
third
floor,
dormer
windows
and
the
installation
of
new
roofing
on
the
gable
roof,
the
rear
portion
of
the
roof
will
be
removed
to
accommodate
the
flat
roof
edition.
However,
the
connection
of
the
new
edition
will
occur
several
inches.
F
F
New
materials
on
the
facade
will
be
limited
to
the
loop
to
aluminum,
clad
wood
windows
on
the
ground
and
second
floor
levels,
standing
seam,
metal
roof
and
wood
shingles
on
the
sidewalls
of
the
gable.
The
district
plan
states
that
any
new
materials
that
are
introduced
when
altering
existing
buildings
shall
be
physically
and
visually
compatible
with
its
heritage
attributes.
So
the
proposed
new
materials
are
robust
and
traditional
in
their
character
and
will
complement
the
existing
stove
work
and
wooden
architectural
detailing
present
on
the
building
and
the
last
part
of
this.
The
restoration.
F
The
front
includes
the
repair
and
repainting
of
the
existing
wooden
architectural
detailing
the
facade
and,
additionally,
all
the
exterior
limestone
will
be
repointed
in
appropriate
line-based
mortar,
including
the
stone
chimneys
parapet,
wall
and
corbels
and
any
necessary
replacements.
Estonians
will
be
like
for
like
next
slide,
please,
so
the
district
plan
states
that
the
foreign
pattern
of
period,
windows
and
door
openings
shall
be
conserved,
so
this
application
proposes
to
maintain
all
the
existing
form
and
pattern
of
the
window
and
door
openings.
F
Obviously,
with
the
addition
of
that
opening
up
of
the
of
the
previously
infilled
second
floor
window
and
as
the
his
notes,
this
will
restore
the
5b
rhythm
of
the
original
design
and
greatly
improve
the
heritage
appearance
of
this
building,
so
the
existing
windows
on
the
ground
floor
and
there
was
as
well
as
the
door
in
the
second
floor
windows,
although
they
appear
to
be.
You
know
older
windows
and
they
are
wood
windows.
They
are
not
original
or
paired
windows
and
they
were
believed
to
have
been
installed
sometime
in
the
mid
1980s
or
later.
F
So
the
new
windows
are
proposed
to
be
aluminum,
clad,
wood
windows,
the
second
floor
and
dormer
windows.
Sorry,
the
second
floor
and
doorways
include
six
over
six
as
well
as
two
over
two
patterning
respectively,
and
the
restaurant
storefront
windows
are
vertically
divided
with
a
horizontal
division
yep
recorder.
So
these
are
traditional
and
appropriate
configurations
for
the
historic
building
and
comply
with
the
window
policy.
F
The
final
components
of
the
repair
and
restoration
relate
to
the
restaurant
and
storefront,
so
there'll
be
a
new
retractable.
Canvas
awning
is
proposed,
the
existing
wooden
fascist
board
signage
will
be
repaired
and
repainted,
but
in
the
future
it
won't
include
the
casa
lettering
and,
alternatively,
they
are
proposing
a
new
hanging
sign
at
which
the
details
of
which
will
come
forward
at
a
later
date.
F
New
exterior
lighting
is
proposed
and
includes
four
simple
black
lighting
fixtures
that
are
positioned
between
the
windows
and
the
door
and
will
not
overwhelm
the
building
or
concealed
heritage
attributes.
Lastly,
the
application
proposes
reparging
the
existing
infill
wall
at
the
ground
and
second
floor
levels
between
35
and
33
brock
street,
which
is
adjacent
to
the
east.
This
is
just
to
simply
clean
up
its
appearance.
One
heritage,
kingston
member
noted
that
stucco
may
also
be
an
appropriate
material.
F
I
would
say
arguably
parging
and
stuff
will
have
a
similar
appearance
and
staff
are
comfortable
with
either
option
and
will
include
a
condition
that
details
of
the
selected
material
are
submitted
here.
Just
plain
staff
for
review
next
slide,
please
so
section
5.3
of
the
plan
addresses
the
design
of
new
construction,
including
additions.
It
explains
that
buildings
within
the
district
reflect
styles
of
many
periods
and
that
the
design
of
new
additions
shall
not
attempt
to
replicate
or
mimic
any
style
of
the
past
era.
F
The
proposed
three-story
addition
is
not
visible
from
springer
market
square
and
is
only
minimally
visible
from
the
municipal
parking
lot
at
the
northwest
of
rocket
ontario
streets.
Accordingly,
the
impact
of
this
new
construction
on
the
cultural
heritage,
value
and
character
of
the
district
is
negligible.
F
Nonetheless,
its
design
does
not
mimic
or
replicate
past
styles,
and
it
is
simple
and
contemporary
in
its
character.
Put
simply,
it
does
not
aspire
to
draw
attention
to
itself
and
does
not
compete
with
the
architectural
style
of
surrounding
buildings
given
its
location.
This
is
a
fair
and
reasonable
approach
to
its
architectural
design,
and
it
is
possibly
likely
that
it
may
be
entirely
obscured
in
the
future.
Should
the
municipal
park
cannot
be
redeveloped.
F
The
proposed
three-story
addition
is
located
to
the
rear
and
it
will
start
several
inches
below
the
original
roof
peak.
The
addition
will
have
a
flat
roof
and
accordingly,
we'll
conserve
the
existing
height
of
the
original
building
and
will
not
exceed
the
height
of
either
adjacent
buildings.
Next
slide,
please,
the
proposed
external
material
for
the
rear
edition
is
painted,
fiber
cement
board
and
a
medium
to
dark
gray.
Color.
F
The
district
plan
states
that
the
materials
of
exterior
features
of
a
new
building
within
the
district
shall
be
physically
and
visually
compatible
with
and
of
comparable
quality
to
the
heritage.
Attributes
materials
of
the
surrounding
historic
buildings
so
painted
fiber
cement
board
does
closely
resemble
painted
wood.
Siding
will
therefore
have
a
traditional
appearance
that
is
physically
and
visually
compatible
with
the
adjacent
stonework.
Equally,
we
have
a
contrasting
texture,
which
will
also
help
to
ensure
a
different
differentiation
between
the
original
building
and
new
addition.
F
A
matte,
gray,
metal
siding
is
proposed
for
the
new
infill
section
of
wall
at
the
second
and
third
floor
levels.
This
will
be
set
back
as
well,
but
will
be,
will
be
visible
at
certain
points
from
spring
market
square.
The
intention
is
to
minimize
its
presence
and
help
to
blend
in
with
the
background.
So
arguably,
the
matt
gray
side
will
hopefully
achieve
this
goal
next
slide,
please
so,
given
the
location
of
the
addition
at
the
rear
and
within
the
interior
of
a
densely
developed
downtown
block,
there
are
a
few
locations
for
new
window
openings.
F
Additionally,
the
noise
study,
which
was
required
as
part
of
the
planning
application
for
this
site,
have
led
to
the
creation
of
interior
courtyard
with
windows
off
of
facing
off
of
it.
So
so
there
will
be
no
new
windows
on
the
on
the
building
and
which
complies
with
the
district
plans
policy
that
new
windows
and
door
opening
shall
be
located
on
the
side
of
the
building
not
visible
for
market
square.
F
F
Rehabilitation
is
designed
as
defined
by
this
standards
and
guidelines,
is
the
sense
of
adaptation
of
a
historic
place
or
individual
component
for
continuing
your
compatible
use,
while
protecting
its
heritage
value
significantly.
The
ongoing
and
improved
use
of
this
building
will
help
to
ensure
its
long-term
conservation
and,
moreover,
the
proposal
supports
all
four
objectives
set
out
in
section
three
of
the
district
plan
and
conserves
and
enhances
the
cultural,
huge
value
and
attributes
of
the
district.
F
So
this
went
through
a
technical
review.
It
was
noted
through
planning
that
it
had
to
go
through
a
minor
variance
process
which
did
receive
unanimous
approval
at
the
september
20th
committee
of
adjustment
meeting
additionally,
a
site
plan
control
application
submitted
in
currently
in
technical
review,
so
responding
heritage,
kingston
members
provided
that
they
had
no
major
concerns
and
were
generally
satisfied
with
the
details
provided
and
supportive
of
this
project.
Two
members
noted
the
importance
of
the
rear
flat
roof
edition
stepping
down
from
the
peak
of
the
original
gable.
F
F
The
last
comment
was
regarding
the
existing
infill
wall,
but
that
noting
that
they
didn't
have
details
of
what
was
going
to
be
going
on
there,
but
that
perhaps
stucco
would
be
a
good
option,
so
I
will
finish
up
there
with
the
next
slide,
which
is
the
recommendation
which
includes
both
the
recommendation
regarding
the
demolition
as
well
as
the
alteration
and
then
there
are
two
more
slides,
I
believe,
with
quite
a
number
of
conditions
associated
with
this
motion.
Thank
you.
So
much.
C
I
believe,
in
condition
9
that
second
line
should
read:
33,
not
433,
brock
street
correct.
So
we
can
assume
that
that
correction
has
been
made
it's
correct
in
in
eight.
So
it's
not
a
misleading
comment.
I
don't
know
good.
Thank
you
very
much
alex
members.
Can
you
confirm
that
your
dash
comments
have
been
correctly
recorded.
A
Mr
chair,
I'm
just
going
to
jump
in
briefly
here
and
just
say
for
the
benefit
of
those
who
who
are
joining
us
today.
If
you
wish
to
speak,
if
you
could
raise
your
hand
and
zoom
again,
that's
located
in
the
center
of
your
screen,
when
you
move
your
mouse
across
the
zoom
window
or
if
you're
joining
us
as
a
participant,
you
may
need
to
open
the
list
of
participants
to
the
right
hand,
side
of
your
screen
and
there
should
be
a
raise
hand
button
at
the
bottom
of
that
list.
H
Mitchell,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
just
had
a
couple
of
pieces.
I
wanted
to
raise
some.
Maybe
questions.
There's
a
lot
of
attention
and
report
to
this
peg
peak,
roof,
construction
and
and
the
heritage
impact
statement
said,
dropping
down
feet
on
the
back
side
and
now
it's
inches,
and
I
just
had
question
about
how,
if,
if
we're
going
to
the
level
of
documenting
it-
and
it
is
something
that
we
want
to
preserve,
I
just
wondered
how
insulation
was
going
to
work
with
a
flat
roof.
H
You
know,
is
the
insulation
done
on
the
exterior
or
is
it
on
the
interior
and
a
lot
of
people
are
moving
to
spray
foam
insulation
as
being
superior,
but
I
just
wondered
whether
anything
would
be
obscured
or
hidden
or
how
the
building
science
moisture.
Those
types
of
things
would
work
with
that
pegged
peak
construction
on
the
inside
or
whether
or
not
it
matters.
So
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
question,
but
I
just
thought
I
would
maybe
throw
that
to
staff
as
a
consideration
of
whether
you
want
to
improve
that
or
not.
F
Yeah,
I
would
start
by
saying
I
mean
it's
certainly
an
interesting
question.
I
don't
have
the
answer
about
the
insulation
on
the
flat
roof,
but
certainly
I
mean
I
think,
the
importance
there
is
that
you're
speaking,
I
mean
it's
an
interior
attribute
which
we
don't
aren't
technically
able
to.
I
certainly,
I
guess,
control,
but
I
would
say
that,
given
that
it
is
a
very
old
roof
and
andre's
pointed
to
that-
and
there's
obviously
been
a
concerted
effort
to
maintain
that
original
peak
and
where
it's
pegged.
F
I
I
believe
at
this
point
I
I
have
john
guerra
from
from
the
contractor
with
me,
and
I
believe
at
this
point
we're
planning
to
insulate
above
the
roof,
but
the
height
was
chosen
due
to
code
restraints.
We
had
to
keep
the
roof
a
little
higher
to
get
the
the
minimum
headroom
requirements.
So
that's
that's
what
bumped
it
up
a
bit.
H
H
One
is
from
street
level.
Let's
say
reasonably
across
the
street.
Looking
up
the
slope
of
the
roof
would
hide
it,
meaning
that
the
mechanicals
would
be
far
enough
back
the
hvac
that
it
wouldn't
interrupt.
That
ridge
line
against
the
sky
is
the
assumption.
Then,
of
course,
the
the
other
secondary
consideration,
a
reasonable
level
from
market
square,
where
you're
looking
at
it,
and
you
can
still
see
that
skyline
without
it
being
interrupted
between
the
dormers
or
anything
by
the
the
hvac
or
maybe
even
strategic
locations,
so
that
the
dormers
may
obscure
it.
H
I
wondered
about
the
adverse
impacts
of
noise
now
that
they're
going
to
be
up
on
a
flat
roof
with
the
neighbors
it's
sort
of
out
of
the
scope
of
heritage,
but
in
the
same
vein
with
the
mechanicals
and
then
my
final
question
had
to
do
with
the
fill-in
connection,
just
to
try
and
visualize
it.
So
you
have
this
fill-in
piece.
H
It
has
an
opening
at
the
bottom
and
a
fill-in
piece
between
the
two
buildings
and
then
presumably
that's
some
kind
of
very
shallow
sort
of
walkway
and
then
there's
going
to
be
a
vertical
and
then
the
top
of
that
vertical
piece
that
stepped
back
is
also
going
to
be
several
inches
below
the
the
ridge
line
and
below
the
the
the
two
fire
protection
masonry
pieces.
Is
that
correct.
F
So
I
can
I'll
start
with
that
question
because
it
took
me
a
while
to
understand
this
as
well.
This
infill
piece
so
you're
right.
It's
set
so
the
the
infill
piece
this
new,
because
there's
the
existing
one
at
ground
level
and
second
floor.
The
very
front
of
the
building
the
one
they're
proposing
is
basically,
if
you
can
imagine,
set
back
at
the
second
floor
and
it's
forming
the
wall
to
that
will
reach
stretch
up
to
the
flat
roof,
essentially
at
the
same
height
and
at
that
corner.
Does
that
make?
Does
that
make
sense?
F
That
was
the
best
way
to
understand
it's
really
there
so
that
they
can
squeeze
a
little
bit
more
of
that
gap
in
between
as
part
of
the
living
space
and
circulation
space
for
the
apartment
on
the
second
and
third
floor,
but
it
will,
but
it
will
be.
I
think
it
will
be
visible
in
places
from
market
square,
certainly
depending
on
where
you
stand,
which
is
why
we
do
need
to
consider
the
appearance
of
it.
I
mean
declining.
C
And
don
your
comment
about
noise
is
well
made
because
some
members
of
this
committee
will
remember
that
when
the
city
built
the
little
building
to
look
after
the
zamboni,
all
the
restaurants
complained
about
the
noise
that
the
zamboni
and
the
equipment
in
there
would
make.
So
noise
is
a
consideration
in
in
this
area
for
sure
other
questions
from
committee
members.
C
K
E
E
C
C
L
J
C
C
L
Here,
mr
chair,
trying
to
take
a
little
sip
of
water,
so
in
the
two
images
top
two
images
here,
it
shows
the
lot
area
and
neighborhood
context.
The
bottom
right
image
shows
the
surrounding
area
in
its
proximity
to
highway
two
and
the
bottom
left
image
is
a
picture
of
building
orientation
from
the
in
site
plan.
Importantly,
the
front
of
the
building
is
facing
west
and
will
have
a
larger
setback
than
many
of
the
buildings
along
green
bay.
Road
next
slide.
Please.
L
L
The
subject:
property
was
included
in
the
village
of
berryfield's
heritage
conservation
district
created
pursuant
to
part
five
of
the
ontario
heritage
act
in
1981
and
further
amended
in
2016.
either.
The
1992
historic
building
inventory
nor
the
updated
inventory
include
this
property,
as
the
lands
were
vacant
to
buildings.
At
the
time
of
the
hcd
plan's
creation.
L
So
this
is
a
list
that
was
also
in
the
report
as
well
listing
the
extensive
recent
history
on
this
application.
Its
past
approvals,
its
past
planning
applications,
its
current
site
plan
control
application
and
the
application
that
is
seeking
to
be
amended
through
this
application.
Currently,
these
previous
approvals
were
deemed
to
be
compatible
with
the
district
and
the
subject.
Application
building
and
garage
plans
largely
have
a
similar
design.
The
following
presentation
will
focus
on
the
aspects
changing
from
the
previous
heritage
approval,
namely
p18-071-2019.
L
This
includes
the
existing
approval
that
already
permits
the
erection
of
a
new
principal
dwelling
and
associated
garage
with
similar
massing
in
heights
and
building
on
vacant
lands.
Exhibits
b
through
d
of
the
report
show
the
aspects
that
are
being
changed
with
this
approval
for
further
reference
next
slide.
Please.
L
There
are
many
critical
aspects
of
this
application
that
are
not
changing
from
the
previous
approval
passed
by
council.
The
following
principle:
building
aspects
have
remained
consistent,
including
the
proportion
and
massing
minus
the
deck,
the
height
setback,
roof
form,
roof
material
and
style
orientation,
materials,
minus
the
roof,
shingles
collars,
fencing
trees
and
porch
materials.
I
misspoke
earlier.
I
just
wanted
to
mention
the
porching
and
massing
for
that
first
bullet
point
at
the
top
and
then
the
second
one
here
being
the
following.
L
Detached
garage
aspects
have
remained
consistent,
being
detached
remaining
behind
the
front
principle,
building
wall
being
in
the
same
location
and
having
the
same
materials.
Minus
shingles
next
slide,
please
so
moving
along
the
main
building
aspects
that
will
be
changing
along
the
west
and
east
facades.
The
following
differs
from
the
previous
applications,
so
this
is
the
addition
of
the
stairs
to
both
sides
of
the
wraparound
porch
and
the
rear
building
steps
associated
with
the
enclave.
At
the
back.
I
will
discuss
the
porch
in
just
a
moment
regarding
the
enclave
enclave
stairs.
L
L
Regarding
the
porch
size
and
new
porch
steps,
the
hcd
plan
notes
that
entrances
are
an
important
feature
of
the
public
facade
of
buildings
in
berryfield,
which
is
frequently
highlighted
with
porches
that
are
either
quote
recessed
or
projected
from
front
from
the
wall
face
or
emphasis.
End
quote
further:
according
to
4.5.2
g
of
the
hcd
plan,
new
buildings
are
to
have
an
obvious
principal
entrance
that
forms
a
prominent
part
of
the
street-facing
facade.
L
The
hcd
plan
also
knows
the
connection
of
porches
and
their
ability
to
emphasize
the
principal
building
entrance
in
the
area.
Numerous
buildings
along
green
bay
road
are
close
to
the
front
property
line
and
have
associated
porches
that
are
even
closer
to
the
front
property
line.
Importantly,
the
hcd
plan
places
no
limit
on
the
size
of
porches.
L
L
In
addition,
having
a
deep
porsche
emphasizes
or
increases,
the
feeling
quote
unquote
that
the
building
is
closer
to
the
street
edge,
which
would
better
align
with
the
other
green
bay
properties
in
this
area,
which
are
already
closer
to
the
street
edge
themselves.
As
there
is
no
port
size
limit
in
the
hcd
plan,
the
porch
is
wooden.
The
additional
stairs
in
eight
foot
depth
can
contribute
to
the
rule
character
of
minimal
setbacks
and
could
increase
the
legibility
of
the
front
entrance
of
the
property.
By
being
quote
a
projection
from
the
wall
face
for
emphasis.
L
End
quote:
these
changes
fulfill
the
intent
of
the
plan.
One
moment
please,
I
did
want
to
mention
one
other
if
you
would
rain
on
that
other
slide,
please.
I
did
want
to
mention
one
other
part.
So
when
I
was
reviewing
after
extensive
discussions
in
recent
days
regarding
this
application,
I
wanted
to
do
a
fulsome
report
of
the
approved
documents
of
this
application
and
previous
applications.
L
In
this
case,
it
appears
that
the
eight
foot
porch
originally
approved
is
in
fact
the
current
in
effect
depth,
as
that
was
the
depth
approved
by
council.
Next
slide,
please
standing
on
the
changes
to
the
principal
building
along
the
north
and
south
elevations
minor
changes
to
the
window,
placement
amount
and
sizing
are
proposed
along
the
north
elevation.
The
newly
proposed
window
has
a
proportion
of
1
by
1.5,
and
the
window
placement
also
differs
slightly
from
the
previous
approval
along
the
south
elevation
one
window
is
shrunk
to
a
portion
of
approximately
1
by
1.25.
L
L
Moving
on
to
the
detached
garage,
the
south
and
north
elevations
are
mostly
consistent
with
the
previous
plans,
except
for
the
increased
dormer
massing.
Stair
orientation
clarifications
addition
of
the
new
door
along
the
north
elevation
and
removal
of
the
windows
along
the
bottom
of
the
north
elevation.
L
The
hcd
plan
does
not
provide
explicit
direction
regarding
the
design
of
doors
for
garages
or
their
placement,
except
that
garages
should
be
located
at
the
rear
of
the
lot,
not
formed
part
of
the
street
facade
and
are
accessed
via
a
driveway,
all
of
which
the
garage
achieves
for
reference.
I
am
referring
to
the
top
right,
drawing
with
that
little
door
on
the
side
that
would
be
facing
the
north
elevation.
L
The
design
of
the
dormer
itself
was
quote
deemed
to
be
a
gable
roof
dormer
by
the
applicant's
qualified
professional
as
the
terms
dormer
and
gable.
Roof
are
not
defined
in
the
village
of
very
field
plan
or
the,
in
fact,
zoning
bylaw
for
this
area.
These
items
listed
in
condition
10
in
the
previous
scope
of
work,
appear
to
be
left
open
to
interpretation.
L
A
review
of
the
proposed
design
versus
the
term
gable
roof
dormer
appears
to
conform
or
confirm
that
this
type
of
design
is
considered
by
some
professionals
to
be
a
form
of
a
gable
roof
dormer.
When
originally
reviewing
this
design
staff
consulted
the
ontario
architecture
website
and
reviewed
examples
of
dormers.
Two
of
these
examples
of
dormers
appear
to
either
break
up
the
eve
line
or
drop
below
the
cornice,
both
they're
not
dissimilar
from
the
subject
application.
L
Nonetheless,
staff
reviewed
how
the
increased
massing
might
impact
the
public
realm.
A
review
from
a
review
found
the
great
differences
in
this
area
of
the
district
maintain
the
prominence
of
the
nearby
1.5
to
two-story
main
building
along
james
street
along
the
corner
of
james
street
and
green
bay
road.
In
addition,
the
presence
of
select
trees
in
the
subject
property
and
at
218
green
bay
road
would
mitigate
some
of
the
impact
of
this
increased
massing
on
green
bay
road.
L
When
looking
northwest
at
the
subject
property,
you
can
see
exhibit
f
for
sight,
pictures
that
demonstrate
these
tree
areas
and
their
their
crown
for
reference.
The
garage
should
mostly
be
hidden
from
view
when
viewing
the
property
directly
south
by
having
the
main
property
in
front
of
that
building.
L
Next
slide,
please
staying
on
the
detached
garage,
the
major
changes
along
the
west
and
east
elevation
not
already
discussed,
include
changes
to
the
window,
design
of
the
garage
door
itself,
the
removal
of
a
window
and
the
change
of
shingle
material
from
steel
to
asphalt,
as
previously
noted
in
the
hcd
plan,
this
does
not
provide
explicit
direction
regarding
the
design
for
doors
or
garages
and
ancillary
structures.
However,
the
hcd
plan
does
know
the
garage
is
to
have
contemporary
material
to
that
of
the
principal
structure
which
this
garage
also
achieves.
L
L
However,
the
approved
drawings
show
eight
feet
as
what
the
applicant
is
requesting,
and
this
by
no
means
is
meant
to
interpret
the
applicant
to
have
a
ten
foot
porch
instead
of
a
eight
foot
perch-
and
I
wanted
to
draw
that
to
your
attention
as
committee
members
bye,
please,
the
following
is
our
recommendation
here
for
the
list
of
alterations
that
would
be
subject
for
this
application
here.
So
these
are
also
the
same
ones
in
your
report
as
well,
and
next
slide.
L
A
C
C
E
Yes,
thank
you.
I
recognize
philip
that
you
weren't
involved
in
this
application
previously
so
you're
at
a
bit
of
a
disadvantage
and
more
so
since
you've
pointed
out
what
appears
to
be
a
mistake.
Last
time
when,
during
the
committee
meeting,
it
was
made
clear
to
the
committee
that
the
applicant
the
application
was
for
a
six-foot
porch
and
then
it
turns
out
really
to
be
an
april
approach.
E
E
L
Do
you,
mr
chair,
my
intention
was
not
to
mention
that
my
intention
was
not
to
convey
that
without
a
number
we
cannot.
We
are
willing
to
approve
any
number.
My
intention
is
to
note
that
that
plan
is
specific,
and
but
it's
not
specific
in
that
when
the
applicant
has
requested
in
this
case
and
was
firm
in
their
suggestion,
that
they
wanted
eight
feet.
L
Staff
members
such
as
myself
did
not
have
a
number
to
point
to
to
say
I'm
sorry,
the
htd
plan
does
not
permit
that
request
and
we
would
not
be
able
to
support
it.
That's
where
I'm
fitting
here,
but
I
also
wanted
to
mention
that
my
argument
extended
further
than
that,
and
also
was
couched
in
the
idea
of
increasing
the
prominence
of
the
door
entrance
to
the
main
property
which
the
hcd
plan
does
put
a
lot
of
value
in
because
of
the
unique
orientation
of
the
building
on
the
lawn.
Thank
you.
E
L
M
Thanks
and
for
you,
I
I
just
wanted
to
point
out,
certainly
that
staff
are
never
ignoring
the
suggestions
of
committee
when
seeking
input
through
dash
comments.
It's
an
opportunity
for
staff
to
consider
the
input
of
the
committee
and
we
value
it
quite
heavily,
but
the
opportunity
here
for
staff
is
to
also
assess
the
proposed
works
against
the
criteria
that
are
established
both
in
the
hcb
plan,
as
well
as
the
guidelines
and
standards
appropriate
to
heritage
development
and
other
applicable
policies
and
legislation
within
the
city
and
the
province.
M
So
it
is
not
an
opportunity
for
stock
to
ignore
or
set
aside
recommendations
of
the
committee,
and
I
think
that
you'll
see
in
the
stock
report
staff
make
efforts
to
address
why
it
is
that
their
position
differs
from
the
position
that
may
be
recommended
by
committee
in
this
instance.
So
I
just
want
to
note
that
I
think
it
it
is:
never
the
intention
of
staff
to
set
aside
the
recommendations
of
committee.
This
is
not
an
oppositional
position.
M
E
E
E
Not
dealing
here
with
the
dormer
at
all
and
that
the
well.
I
should
also
point
out
that
the
city
has
a
dormer
bylaw,
that
it
refers
to
in
several
places,
not
applicable
here
admit,
but
it
describes
what
a
dormer,
what
an
allowable
dormer
is
and
that
it
does
not
include
a
window
that
is
part
of
wall.
So
my
position
is
that
what
has
been?
Because
it's
not
running
and
I'll
comment
further
on
that
later.
D
With
the
applicant
saying
it's
a
dormer,
we
did
a
little
homework
and
found
that
that
it
meets
various
definitions
of
dormers,
some
pierce,
the
roof
in
the
middle,
some
piece,
the
roof
at
the
edge
of
the
wall
length,
but
for
all
intents
and
purposes
it's
a
dormer
and
staff
had
no
way
of
countering
that
so
agree
with
it.
I
don't
agree
with
it.
D
It
meets
the
intent
of
of
the
approval
that
was
given
and
the
application
before
us
today,
I
believe,
is
just
to
alter
the
shape
of
it
slightly
and
I'll.
Let
phil
explain
that
further.
If
committee
has
questions,
but
that's
just
a
little
background
on
where
we
are
today
with
the
the
dormer
question,.
C
L
N
L
Next
one
please
next
slide,
please
perfect,
so
based
on
the
idea
of
piercing
through
the
wall,
mr
taylor,
I
wanted
to
show
that
the
bottom
application
and
its
designs
were
the
ones
that
were
supported
by
hk
and
were
the
ones
approved
by
council.
Ultimately,
and
if
you
look
at
the
difference
of
the
two,
it's
changing
the
slope,
which
does
increase
the
massing
slightly,
but
it
is
again
not
a
projection
from
the
wall.
L
It
is
not
a
piercing
of
the
roof,
so
the
previous
one
and
the
current
one
have
the
same
type
of
form
regarding
roof,
piercing
ability
or
inability.
So
I
do
not
believe
that.
So
in
that
case,
I
believe
that
this
is
more
consistent
and
is
still
consistent
with
that
approval.
And
if
you
go
down
elizabeth
again
to
number
14,
please
it
should
be
right.
After
the
question
slide
there,
elizabeth.
L
Thank
you.
So
this
is
the
website
from
the
ontario
architecture
that
shows
the
dormers
here,
and
I
wanted
to
draw
your
attention
from
the
to
the
left
and
the
right
image.
The
left
image
showing
that,
oh,
my
apologies
here,
the
left
image
showing
that
the
breaks
up
the
eve
line
in
this
case
and
the
right
picture
showing
that
it
drops
below
the
cornice
which
are
both
not
dissimilar
from
the
current
application.
L
O
Yes,
thank
you,
I'm
I'm.
I
have
to
say
I'm
disappointed
that
the
six
foot
depth
that
was
discussed
at
hk
in
december
of
2019
and
approved,
didn't
wasn't
communicated
to
council,
and
I
would
like
to
ask
how
this
can
be
avoided
in
future,
because
clearly,
an
extra
two
feet
in
a
covered
porch
does
increase
the
massing
of
this
building
and
the
appearance
of
this
building.
C
D
D
If
we
get
it
in
advance
in
the
comments
they
can
be
built
into
the
to
the
report
and
into
into
our
recommendations
and
motions,
and
in
that
case
carried
forward
even
in
a
part,
five
application
that
the
comment
to
the
committee
can
be
directly
carried
forward,
otherwise,
for
a
part,
five
application.
You
are
welcome
to
to
include
final
comments
which
are
added
into
the
report
and
provided
the
council
for
consideration.
D
C
O
L
O
K
K
That's
the
principal
building:
here
we
go
the
so
the
first
of
all
the
south
elevation
like
the
drawings
of
the
windows,
the
bottom
windows.
They
are
not
circled.
Therefore,
I
I
I'm
assuming
that
the
sizing
doesn't
change,
but
certainly
on
the
drawings.
The
size
looks
a
lot
smaller
than
the
previous
plan.
Just
wonder
if
staff
could
speak
to
them.
K
L
K
L
H
But
in
this
district
and
looking
through
the
plan,
I
don't
see
a
lot
of
protections
related
to
trees.
But
I'm
wondering
when
you
go
to
the
the
level
that
you
have
in
exhibit
f
to
indicate
that
they're
going
to
mitigate
impacts
and-
and
then
you
also
mention
it
in
the
language
of
the
report
on
page
109
or
page
10
of
14..
H
I'm
just
wondering
the
the
the
public
facing
message
on
that.
This
is
a
mitigating
tree.
Is
that
defendable
and
or
does
part
five
capture
that
as
a
quality,
because
without
the
trees
you
are
dealing
with
from
one
view
of
very,
very
significant
mass
of
building
and
possibly
also
the
building
next
door
and
you've
offered?
This,
as
like
the
district
plan,
says,
is
something
that
may
soften
not
in
front
of
the
structure
itself,
but
might
soften
that.
E
E
C
Okay,
thank
you
last
call,
then,
for
comments
before
I
look
for
a
mover
and
seconder
and
seeing
none
then
looking
for
a
mover
and
a
seconder
for
this
motion
as
printed,
we
haven't
changed
at
all.
It
can't
be
changed
in
fact
moved
by
councillor
ustahoff
second,
by
councillor
doherty.
Thank
you
very
much
discussion
on
the
motion.
E
So
in
the
case
of
the
porch
in
each
foot,
porch
is
really
a
huge
part
of
this
property.
It'll
be
very
prominent
in
the
public
view.
It's
a
wraparound
porch.
I
haven't
seen
anything
like
that
in
the
in
the
district.
I
think
when
we,
the
committee,
discussed
this
previously,
I
think
we
thought
were
being
quite
generous
in
permitting
a
wrap
around
six
foot
course,
and
certainly
that's
still
what
I
prefer
anyway.
E
The
other
problem
is
the
garage
doors
and
my
understanding
that
the
previous
approval
was
that
the
proposed
shed
dormers
would
have
to
become
gable
dormers
and
instead
we
have
something
very
different.
Instead
of
keyboard
armors,
we
have
walls
with
a
window
and
gable,
and
I
completely
disagree
with
what
staff
has
said
about
the
definition
of
dormer.
You
can
look
in
any
well
many
dictionaries,
but,
and
you
can
look
again
at
those
pictures
from
the
ontario
architecture
website.
E
None
of
those
examples
in
none
of
those
examples
is
the
window
part
of
the
wolf
it.
It
penetrates
the
roof,
the
sloping
room
and
that's
what
the
definition
means
in
that
sense.
So
I
think
it's.
I
think
this
kind
of
roof
is
totally
inconsistent
with
the
distant
planet.
The
plan
says
that
they
prefer
simple
gable.
E
Roofs
and
dormers
are
acceptable
if
they're
not
too
visible,
but
these
are
huge
stormers
that
are
highly
visible,
particularly
when
from
the
street,
and
they
they
really
open
up
a
completely
different
interpretation
of
what
a
dormer
is
and
what
is
acceptable
in
the
in
the
burial
planet.
I
mean,
I
think,
it's
up
to
this
committee,
to
support
the
barrierfield
district
plan
and
support
the
members
of
the
villagers
who
live
there,
who
care
about
the
village.
E
H
I
guess
part
of
the
difficulty
for
me
is:
I
wasn't
on
the
committee
when
this
first
approval
went
through,
but
in
reading
this
report
my
sense
was
we
were
we're
speaking
to
smaller
changes
to
a
prior
approval,
and
I
certainly
respect
immensely
long-standing
committee
members
perspectives
on
this.
But
I
I
looked
at
this
just
to
share
some
of
my
thought.
I
looked
at
this
from
the
lens
of
that
that
new
infill
in
the
district
does
not
have
to
be
a
heritage
structure
per
se.
H
G
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
I
do
appreciate
donald's
comments
there.
It
was
almost
he
says
it
better
than
I
do.
I
think
that
I
think
it's
with
the
porch.
I
think
that
there's
a
you
know
an
enjoyment
of
living
concept
as
well.
I
think
that
it's
a
reasonable
ask
to
go
and
I
think
it
it
suits
the
the
overall
mass
of
the
property
to
have
an
eight
foot
deck
like
that.
So
I
don't
have
a.
G
C
G
O
Thank
you
just
want
to
comment
that
I
think
the
effect
of
these
buildings
on
the
very
on
very
field
and
with
regards
to
the
heritage,
conservation
district,
it's
the
sum
of
the
parts.
So
now
we
have
an
extra
two
feet
on
the
front
of
the
building
more
massing,
and
we
also
have
a
garage
that
the
street
view
from
green
bay
road
has
more
massing
as
well
as
far
as
the
trees,
mitigating
those
trees,
I
think,
are
probably
deciduous.
O
So
it's
only
going
to
mitigate
when
there
they
actually
have
foliage
on
them.
So
I
think
that's
another
point
to
be
made.
The
other
thing
I'd
like
to
say
is:
I
always
put
my
comments
on
dash
and
the
discussion
of
the
six
foot
change
that
came
up
at
heritage
kingston,
so
it
couldn't
have
been
actually
anticipated
on
dash
or
or
commented
on
prior
to
that-
and
I
do
believe
one
member
did
put
something
about
six
feet
on
dash
prior
to
the
2019
meeting
and
that's
everything
I
won't
be
supporting
this
application.
A
C
M
Thank
you
so
much
and
through
you
and
apologies
for
my
interruption
as
well.
I
just
wanted
to
be
clear
with
committee
that
if
there
was
a
vote
not
to
support
the
recommendation,
the
recommendation
would
not
come
back
to
staff
for
reconsideration
and
rewrite
to
come
back
to
committee.
It
is
a
part,
five
application,
and
so
it
would
go
to
the
council
for
consideration.
City
council
makes
the
ultimate
decision
on
this,
but
it
would
go
as
a
non-supported
recommendation
from
the
heritage
committee
thanks.
Okay,.
C
C
D
So
this
is,
the
property
is
223
princess
street
subject:
property
is
on
the
north
side
of
princess
sort
of
a
mid
block
between
sydney
and
market
street.
I
can
have
the
next
slide,
please
so
here's
the
property
you
can
see
it
spans
the
full
width
of
the
block
from
princess
to
queen
and
the
sort
of
mid
block
next
slide.
Please,
the
property
contains
the
former
movie
theater
known
as
the
capital
theater,
which
opened
its
doors
in
1920
and
closed
and
moved
to
dalton
avenue
in
2012..
D
The
property
is
recently
received
planning
act,
approval
to
construct
a
nine-story
residential
tower
on
on
the
property,
with
frontage
on
both
princess
and
queen
street.
Next
slide,
please,
and
as
a
condition
of
the
planning
act
approval
the
owners
entered
into
an
e
heritage,
easement
agreement
under
part
four
of
the
heritage
act
with
the
city
of
kingston
to
ensure
the
retention
and
restoration
of
the
1920
former
theater
facade,
fronting
princess
street
schedule
b
of
the
heritage.
D
D
D
Two-Story
facade
the
recessed
entrance,
sheltered
by
the
marquis
plain,
of
course,
masonry
stone,
veneer,
the
shallow
windows,
tripartite
windows
on
the
second
floor,
with
stylized
detailing
the
freeze
band
and
the
floral
detailing
lion's
head
and
chain,
and
of
course
the
current
marquee
is
also
noted
as
a
as
an
attribute
in
the
district
or
in
the
in
the
heritage
easement
agreement.
I
would
note,
on
my
spot
that
there
are
no
interior
attributes
noted,
so
that
should
be
should
be
understood
as
well.
D
There
are
no
elements
noted
on
the
queen
street
elevation
or
the
larger
building
a
mid
block.
The
all
heritage
attributes
are
focused
on
the
prince's
street
elevation.
So
what
is
before
you
today
next
slide,
please
as
part
of
and
we'll
stay
on
this
slide
for
most
of
my
presentation.
This
is
the
concept
plans
that
the
applicant
has
provided
specifically
for
the
front
elevation
and
as
part
of
fulfilling
the
requirements
under
the
under
the
agreement.
D
D
The
applicants
are
also
proposing
to
reinstate
the
former
sloped
red
terracotta
tile
pen
roof
with
wooden
cornice
brackets,
flanked
by
the
capstone
parapet.
Walls
designed
to
match
the
1920s
plant,
the
second
floor
windows
are
likely
replaced
in
the
1990s
are
to
be
replaced
with
aluminum,
fixed
windows
with
divided
lights,
also
in
an
antique
bronze
color
in
the
original
glazing
pattern,
and
that's
a
24
pain,
central
window,
flanked
by
two
matching
12
pane
windows
with
clear,
clear
glass.
D
The
ladder
wall
cladding
is
to
be
removed
and
the
all
stone
and
terracot
details
are
to
be
restored.
The
new,
antique
bronze
colored
doors
with
clear
glazing,
are
proposed
on
the
ground
floor
and
are
to
be
recessed.
Approximately
a
meter
and
a
half
from
the
front
face
of
the
building
the
new
entrance
will
be
will
provide
access
to
both
the
residents
and
the
visitors
of
the
new
apartment,
as
well
as
to
provide
access
to
the
new
commercial
uses
on
the
ground
floor.
D
So
in
terms
of
our
review,
the
former
capital
theater
on
princess
street
is
significant
in
reflecting
the
evolution
of
commercial
development
in
downtown
kingston.
It's
important
to
maintain
the
integrity
of
the
historic
streetscape
further.
It
includes
many
representative
and
stylistic
elements
of
the
spanish
revival
and
mission
style
of
architecture
and
was
designed
by
a
renowned
architect,
a
theater
architect
named
charles
kane.
D
The
theater
is
important
in
conserving
and
defining
this
historic
former
entertainment,
current
entertainment,
district
portion
of
princess
tree,
the
conservation
of
restoration
works.
As
I
noted
in
schedule
b.
Procedural
c
excuse
me
of
the
easement
agreement,
outline
specific
retention,
repair
and
restoration
works,
understood
and
agreed
upon
by
the
city
and
the
owner.
D
Schedule
will
see,
outlines
in
detail
the
various
aspects
of
the
facade
that
are
to
be
conserved
or
stored,
including
the
core
stone
veneer.
The
shallow
arch,
triple
window
openings
with
stylized
masonry.
Columns
reveals,
freeze
boards
line,
busts
and
chains
and
other
elements,
including
the
marquee
which
I'll
get
to
in
a
little
bit
standard,
eight
of
the
parks,
canada's
standards
and
guidelines
in
principle,
three
of
the
ministries,
guiding
principles,
direct
the
maintenance
and
conservation
and
repair,
rather
than
replacement
of
character,
defining
elements
on
a
protective
property.
D
D
D
D
The
overriding
purpose,
as
I
mentioned
of
the
agreement,
is
to
conserve
the
cultural
heritage,
value
of
the
property
and
its
heritage,
attributes,
which
include
the
marquis,
the
theater
character
and
theme.
However,
with
its
ornate
stone
work,
it's
in
the
spanish
revival
style
is
arguably
the
of
utmost
importance
from
the
heart
culture
heritage
perspective.
D
This
facade
has
suffered
the
loss
of
many
of
its
original
elements
over
the
years
due
to
deterioration,
taste
and
functional
need,
including
its
original
marquee
and
pet
roof.
The
required
conservation
and
restoration
works
include
the
introduction
of
the
of
many
new
elements
that
are
intended
to
replicate
those
lost
original
1920s
features.
D
The
proponents
have
shown
a
clear
intent
to
restore
this
much
altered
facade
to
be
as
close
to
that
original
1920s
design
as
possible.
Now
this
includes
also
replicating
the
pitch
and
height
of
the
original
root,
the
depth
and
the
design
of
the
cornice
and
brackets
and
the
profile
and
scale
of
the
parapet.
Walls
all
based
on
the
original
1920s.
J
D
The
reintroduction
of
the
lost
clay,
tile
roof
parapet
walls
will
highlight
the
accompanying
restoration
of
the
terra,
cotta
floral,
designing
the
detailing
and
the
rest
and
reinforce
that
spanish
revival
style.
So,
similarly,
the
new
marquee
will
be
designed
based
on
those
1920s
plants
and
the
1930
areas,
photographs
that
are
in
the
file
as
clear
as
close
as
possible.
I
mean
the
design
the
detailing
the
scale
of
the
original
marquee
are
all
based
on
those
plans.
D
D
The
current
doors
and
windows
on
this
elevation
are
not
original.
Of
course,
the
applicants
are
proposing
to
replace
the
second
story
windows
with
fixed
anodized
aluminum
windows,
in
that
antique
bronze
color,
with
divided
lights.
In
a
pattern
that
matches
the
original
plans,
the
main
doors
are
will
also
be
aluminum
in
a
matching
bronze
tone
and
will
be
reoriented
to
include
two
double
doors,
with
clear
glazing
above
and
a
central,
opaque
spindle
panel.
D
In
order
to
advertise
the
proposed
ground
floor,
commercial
uses
within
the
applicants
are
also
proposing
to
install
the
new
theater
style,
boxlit
poster
frames,
flanking
the
entrance
provincial
guidelines,
seven
and
federal
standard
number
eleven
notes.
The
new
edition
should
be
complementary
to
the
heritage,
building
in
terms
of
skill
form
and
materials,
but
distinguishable
from
the
heritage
building
and
not
designed
to
replicate
the
existing
style.
So
the
proposed.
J
D
In
terms
of
our
circulation,
we
received
building
comments
which
no
building
permit
is
required.
Engineering
noted
that
an
encroachment
permit
is
required,
and
the
committee
comments
are
including
your
agenda
package,
mr
chair,
the
ones
we
received
and
they
were
largely
in
support
of
the
the
proposal
and
therefore
our
recommendation
is
to
support
this
application
next
slide.
Please
there's
a
recommendation
outline
the
changes
and
the
next
slide
is
a
series
of
conditions
associated
with
with
our
recommendation.
Thanks.
C
C
D
B
The
the
foundation
is
very
pleased
with
what
has
been
proposed
by
the
proponent
here.
We
have
not
seen
these
drawings,
so
this
is.
This
is
very
interesting
and
we
and
we
completely
support
it
and
very
glad
that
the
original
drawings
have
are
available
so
that
the
proponent
can
replicate
those.
So
we've
had
some
conversations
with
city
staff
concerning
the
structural
plans,
which,
of
course,
if
you
don't
have
the
structure,
if
the
structure
itself
behind
the
facade
is
not
secure,
it's
going
to
be
a
challenging
to
protect
the
facade.
B
So
we
are-
and
this
is
before-
building
department
at
this
point-
so
not
certainly
not
the
purview
of
heritage
kingston,
but
it
is
a
complicated
and
it's
a
complicated
project
to
maintain
this
facade,
and
we
give
we
give
a
lot
of
credit
to
the
developer
for
his
proposal
to
do
so.
So
thank
you.
We
we
do.
I
am
interested
to
hear
what
the
other
committee
members
have
to
say
about
the
drawings
that
are
before
them
today.
Thank
you.
P
P
So
I'd
just
like
to
assist
with
with
some
of
the
questions
from
miss
bailey,
because
they
it's
very
important
that
they
are
pleased
with
moving
forward
as
they've
been
a
you
know,
an
appellant
of
this
project
and
to
get
it
to
and
they've
also
been
a
major
proponent
now
getting
it
to
where
it
is
today.
So
to
assist
on
on
some
of
those
questions,
the
the
building
permit
aspect
of
securing
that
wall
is
underway.
P
This
this
permit
today
is
very
important
because
it
actually
feeds
into
being
able
to
advance
the
site
plan
approval
as
well
as
demolition
approvals.
So
there's
three
or
four
steps
that
are
all
kind
of
running
concurrently
with
this
heritage,
permit
being
a
major
step
in
finally
advancing
the
site
plan
and
finally
advancing
building
permits
and
all
I'll
remain
to
assist
with
any
questions
that
the
committee
may
have
as
well,
and
I
I
hope
I've
I've
answered,
miss
bailly's
questions,
but
but
if
I've
missed
one,
I'm
happy
to
help
with
that
as
well.
C
C
H
H
How
much
is
I
wrote
down
the
quote
when
it
was
said,
so
let
me
see
if
I
can
find
it,
but
how
much
is
preservation
of
heritage,
conservative
character
and
attributes
and
how
much
is
selective
choice
that
we're
sort
of
hand,
picking
what
we
would
like
to
raise
out
or
or
bring
forward
in
time
and
then
we're
sort
of
ignoring
other
aspects
of
that.
So
in
that
vein,
I
just
I
wanted
to
raise
a
few
things
for
the
sake
of
raising
it
to
me.
H
I
note
that
the
1920
picture
actually
shows
a
very
strong
vertical
sign,
the
the
capital
sign,
and
actually
that
is
one
of
the
things
that
I
most
notice
the
most
so,
on
the
one
hand,
we're
we're
grabbing
the
marquee,
but
we're
ignoring
the
vertical
sign
and
you'll
note
in
that
photograph.
There's
another
vertical
sign
of
another
building
and
then
the
the
terra
cotta
roof
is
is
a
is
a
real,
interesting
choice
and
on
a
personal
level,
I
really
like
it.
H
D
I
can
maybe
say
a
couple
things
mr
chair
yeah,
fine
from
our
perspective
and
then
I'll
pass
over
to
mike
just
a
quick
clarification.
It
is
a
little
confusing.
It's
actually
a
brick
building,
brick
facade
a
brick
wall,
but
it's
clad
with
a
limestone
detail
so
that
the
drawings
may
be
a
little
confusing.
In
that
respect,
I
think
just
to
clarify
all
of
what
you
see
today:
minus
the
marquee.
D
The
original
features
are
being
restored
and
retained,
so
the
walling
the
details,
the
chain,
the
line
heads
all
of
that
stuff-
is
being
retained.
All
of
the
work
that
has
been
altered
over
time,
the
windows,
the
the
big
round,
marquee
and
everything
on
the
ground
floor,
which
had
been
altered
at
least
three
times
that
we
know
of,
is
being
restored
or
replicated
to
the
1920s
original
plants
and
that.
D
The
roof
it
needs
a
roof,
it
doesn't
have
one.
It
was
taken
off
some
point
in
its
history
and
it
was
but
based
on
those
initial
plans
so
that
the
brackets
and
the
pitch
of
the
roof
and
the
depth
of
the
corners
are
all
based
on
those
plans,
so
they
will
be
very
accurate,
very
close
to
what
was
originally
there.
So
I
agree
that
vertical
sign
is
a
is
a
neat
feature.
It
was
something
that
we've
seen
in
in
in
the
old
photos.
That's
not
their
intent.
D
P
C
You
thank
you.
No,
it
does
rise
raise
that
old
problem
of
when
you
want
to
restore
how
far
back.
Do
you
restore
and
we've
all
got
our
favorite
times
and
you're
right
donald,
a
lot
of
people
like
that
upright
sign,
and
yet
you
know
it
was
only
there
for
for
a
short
while
I
saw
a
hand
up
there
or
it
suddenly
disappeared.
Q
Thank
you
through
you,
mr
chair.
I
just
want
to
second
exactly.
I
think
what
ryan
touched
on
and
mike
as
well
donald
writing
up
an
excellent
point.
It
was
actually
a
quandary
that
we
were
struggling
with
early
on
with
the
project
effectively
we
felt
if
we
were
at
one
point.
We
had
a
round
canopy
at
the
front,
and
so
we
actually
rather
liked
it.
We
said,
oh,
it's
like
a
movie
theater
and
it
was
a
fantastic
design
idea.
Q
But
now
we
have
a
very
strict
and
narrow
band
of
this
is
what
we're
restoring
to,
and
so
certainly
there's
a
history
of
what
has
happened
since
as
far
as
renovations
over
the
years,
and
so
we
feel
comfortable
that
pitching
the
1920s
era
is
the
appropriate
pit.
However,
we're
as
far
as
this
is
not
part
of
this
approval.
Q
However,
as
part
of
our
design,
we're
going
to
be
showcasing
historical
graphics
inside
the
building
of
the
evolution
of
the
project,
just
to
capture
a
little
bit
more
of
the
history,
because
it
is
a
diverse
history.
This
building
has
had
a
lot
of
different
functions
and
appearances
over
the
years
over
100
years
now,.
C
I
C
J
D
D
L
D
Was
purchased
by
current
owners
2018.,
the
lands
containing
the
former
prison
for
women
was
designated
into
part
four
of
the
heritage
act
in
27
2007..
It
includes
the
administrative
building
the
center
cell
block
building.
I
would
note
that
the
annex
building
is
not
included
in
the
list
of
heritage
attributes
for
this
property.
I
would
note
that
there
are
a
number.
J
D
Of
the
aspects
that
committees
or
the
africa
is
looking
for,
you
to
consider
is
that
there
are
a
number
of
interior
heritage
attributes
noted
in
the
cell
block
building
in
the
designation
bylaw,
and
that
includes
the
cell
block
design
found
on
the
third
and
fourth
floors
and
which
is
marked
by
its
poured,
concrete
walls,
terrazzo
floor,
steel
bars,
elevated
walkways
barriers,
staircases
and
the
locking
mechanism.
Those
are
all
noted
as
attributes.
D
So
through
this
current
submission,
the
applicants
are
seeking
preliminary
feedback
from
heritage
kingston
on
their
conceptual
redevelopment
plans
for
the
site
known
as
union
park.
The
applicant
is
proposing
a
mixed-use
subdivision,
consisting
of
five
blocks,
four
of
which
are
proposed
for
residential,
mixed
commercial
residential
uses
and
one
block
for
a
privately
owned
public
accessible
park,
and
the
development
includes
the
adaptive
reuse
of
the
administration
and
cell
block
buildings
of
the
former
prison
for
women
complex
into
a
residential
condominium.
E
E
D
The
applicant
hopes
to
understand
any
concerns
that
heritage
kingston
has,
with
the
proposed
plans
from
a
high
level
the
heritage
conservation
strategy,
which
attaches
exhibit
d.
Your
report,
my
report,
to
conserve
the
various
attributes
on
the
site,
and
I
should
note
that
applications
for
official
plan
amendment
zoning
amendment
and
draft
plan
of
subdivision
have
also
been
submitted
under
the
planning
act
and
they're
currently
in
the
process
of
being
reviewed
and
processed.
D
D
D
Our
we
have
some
preliminary
comments
in
our
report.
I
won't
go
through
those
but
they're
in
your
report.
I
would
note
that
the
proposed
development
will
require,
at
some
point
approval
under
the
heritage
ontario
heritage
act
through
a
heritage
permit
that
will
go
to
council
for
approval
via
this
committee
for
consultation
as
a
part.
D
Addition
to
the
conservation
of
tangible
features
to
the
heritage
permit
the
commemoration
and
recognition
of
various
aspects
of
the
property's
past
and
those
people
who
experienced
it
is
also
being
considered
through
this
proposal
and
I'm
sure
mr
keane
will
get
in
speak
to
some
of
that.
But
representative
commemorative
and
thoughtful
landscaping,
interpretive
signage,
all
being
options
being
considered
through
this
and
as
part
of
that,
a
heritage
easement
agreement
under
the
heritage
act
is
being
considered
as
a
possible
option
to
ensure
conservation
and
maintenance
of
these
various
interpretive
and
commemorative
features.
P
Yes,
thank
you
again,
mr
chair
and
and
out
of
respect
for
the
10
minute
time
frame.
I'm
going
to
turn
this
over
to
our
heritage
expert
right
away.
So
I'm
just
going
to
point
out
that,
on
the
line
we
have,
we
have
our
our
team
of
heritage
experts
on
the
call
today,
barry
padalski
and
john
stewart
and
barry's
going
to
do
the
bulk
of
the
speaking.
P
We
also
have
one
of
the
landowners
with
us
with
us,
nate
dornacamp,
so
the
four
of
us
will
likely
tackle
questions
at
the
end,
but
right
now,
I'm
going
to
quickly
turn
it
over
to
barry
and,
at
the
end
of
barry
I'll,
take
60
seconds
to
just
really
highlight
a
few
points
that
we'd
like
to
bring
to
the
committee's
attention.
Thank
you
and
I'll
turn
it
to
you.
Barry.
R
R
And
so,
if
I
guess
it
would
be
elizabeth
if
you
could
advance
to
the
next
slide.
Thank
you
very
much.
So
the
purpose
of
the
strategy
is
a
guiding
document
for
this
project
and
I
think
that
the
difference
between
the
heritage
strategy
and
the
heritage
impact
statement
is
that
in
each
of
the
impact
statements.
C
R
Will
be
evaluating
the
effect
of
the
proposed
development
on
the
build
heritage
resource
and
recommending
mitigating
measures
at
that
point
and
prepared
by
by
our
team.
So
I
think
it's
important
to
understand
that
this
is
an
overall
direction
for
conservation,
that
heritage
kingston
or
for
that
the
city
of
of
kingston
has
recommended
for
this
multi-phase
project
next
slide.
R
R
R
And
the
guidelines
were
prepared
to
really
emphasize
how
we
understand
this
historic
place,
and
we
have
scrupulously
follow
standards
and
guidelines
for
historic
places
in
canada
to
provide
this
kind
of
guidance
and
heritage
strategy
itself
fits
into
the
idea
of
understanding
the
site
planning
the
site
before
intervening
next
slide
as
heritage
values
of
the
p4w
are
well
known,
its
classical
architectural
style,
the
limestone
cladding,
the
cupola
and
roofs
and
its
contribution
as
a
visual
landmark
within
the
penitentiary.
Cultural
landscape.
Next
slide
and
also
elements
of
the
interior
are
part
of
the
designation.
R
Next
slide
elements
that
are
places
that
were,
shall
we
say,
dark
and
severe
in
its
function.
Next
slide,
the
guidelines
began
with
looking
at
key
views,
the
site
layout,
massing
in
form
and
the
architectural
design
and
materiality
of
the
new
buildings
and
the
adaptive
reuse
of
the
the
prison
former
prison
for
women.
R
What
would
be
extremely
important
is
that
the
new
buildings
should
have
stone
cladding
at
the
bases
along
with
glass,
and
that
the
design
and
proportions
illustrate
sympathy
with
the
character
of
the
prison
for
women.
Of
course,
the
upper
parts
of
the
newer
buildings
have
the
opportunity
for
greater
diversity.
Next
slide
and
rehabilitation
has
been
selected
as
the
conservation
approach
for
the
adaptive
reuse
of
the
prison
for
women.
R
It
will
be
a
residential
development
and
it
includes
replacing
the
1981
south
wing,
which
was
not
included
in
the
reasons
for
designation
with
the
new
edition
residential
edition
that
meets
a
standard
level
for
compatibility
next
slide,
and
the
site
plan
here
illustrates
the
intent
of
the
site
layout
with
the
open
space
around
the
prison
for
women
and
in
detail.
In
our
report,
you
see
the
the
pedestrian
route
through
the
building
through
the
site
and
the
the
role
of
the
the
southwest
corner
as
a
park
space
next
site.
R
R
The
next
steps
are
that
we
encourage
heritage
kingston
to
provide
us
guidance
and
comments
on
the
heritage
strategy.
Of
course,
any
comments
that
you
would
like
to
make.
What
you
see
architect
from
in
the
architectural
material
and
masking
forms
would
be
welcomed.
But
of
course,
these
will
all
be
channeled
towards
the
refinement
of
the
designs
when
each
of
the
blocks
is
actually
developed
and
a
heritage
application
submitted
for
each
of
the
blocks
and
a
heritage
impact
statement
for
each
of
the
for
each
of
these
developments
over
time.
Next
slide.
R
L
L
P
P
P
P
The
big
factor
for
the
prison
closing
was
the
fact
that
it
was
deemed
to
be
not
a
nice
place
to
live.
You
know
it
was
when,
in
its
original
design,
it
deprived
its
residents
of
natural
light,
so
there
are
changes
that
we
need
to
do
to
that
that
prison
building.
So
we
would
like
your
your
consideration
for
some
of
the
details,
such
as
balconies,
for
example,
that
we've
proposed
because
they're
a
major
aspect
of
of
the
mental
improvements
of
well-being
and
living
in
a
place
like
this.
P
C
G
Thank
you
take
care,
I
I
guess
I
went
first
only
because
it
was
that
moment.
So
I'm
sure
there's
gonna
be
lots
of
comments
so
hello
to
everybody,
but
you
know,
obviously
I
don't
know
but
obviously,
but
I'm
just
so
impressed
with
this
project
and
I'm
very
excited
about
it,
and
I
can't
imagine
it
getting
done
it's
going.
I
can
imagine
it
getting.
G
To
comment
on
outward
living,
you
know
from
the
inward
time
and
a
kind
of
restorative
approach
to
this
development
and
in
concept
and
intentionally
doing
that,
and
I
think
that
that's
commendable
and
exceptionally
sensitive.
So
I
really
want
to
commend
that
and
I'm
sure
I'll
have
more
comments.
But
it's
it's
a
tremendous
presentation
and
I
I
see
the
vision
of
it
and
the
potential
and
the
incredible
benefit
it
could
be
for
our
community
and
for
for
everyone
involved.
E
Yes,
well,
I'm
also
very
impressed
with
the
project
with
the
strategy
and
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
visit
the
site
and
learn
more
about
it.
The
applicants
have
been
very
thorough
in
studying
the
heritage,
attributes
of
the
site
and
the
building
and
doing
their
best
to
optimize
the
views
and
attributes
and
and
designing
the
building.
So
there's
a
lot
to
admire,
I
guess
from
the
point
of
view
of
the
heritage
committee.
E
So,
having
said
that,
I'll
just
be
a
little
more
specific
and
say
that
you
know
I
I'm
I
guess.
Speaking
for
myself,
I
guess
I'd
be
prepared
to
say
the
10
stories
of
the
proposed
buildings
are
acceptable,
but
I'm
very
reluctant
to
accept
a
new
tall
building
in
the
block,
a
area,
because
I
think
it's
important
to
keep
the
whole
vista
of
the
prison
building
available
to
the
public
coming
down,
sir
john
hay
or
going
west
on
union
street.
E
Of
course,
it
used
to
be
very
different.
It's
probably
a
quarry
at
one
stage,
so
it's
all
being
rebuilt
and
it
occurred
to
me
that
it
was
a
lot
of
landscaping
involving
lowering
that
flat
area
gentle
curves.
You
get
much
better
view
from
the
interior
of
the
of
the
block
to
the
down
to
the
harbor
and
to
the
lake.
So
it's
at
the
moment.
You
can
hardly
see
it
because
it's
quite
a
flat
wide
flat
area.
Anyway,
that's
just
a
suggestion,
I'm
sure
you've
considered
alternatives.
E
O
D
P
That's
okay,
mr
chair,
we
are
actually
anticipating
that
andre
will
complete
his
review
in
the
month
of
october,
so
I
would
anticipate
that
document
will
become
public
in
the
next
call
it
two
to
four
weeks.
So
very
soon
we
should
know
his
input.
You
know-
and
I
see,
staff
are
actually
maybe
piping
and
hopefully
I'm
not
over
committing
there,
but
I
think
it's
very
soon.
M
Hopefully,
you
can
hear
me:
I've
been
having
some
audio
issues
yup.
Can
you
hear?
Thank
you
yeah,
thank
you
and
for
you
I
just
wanted
to
add
to
that
and
kind
of
reinforce
what
I
just
shared.
We
are
expecting
andre
to
complete
his
draft
of
the
peer
review
for
his
draft
peer
review,
and
then
staff
will
have
an
opportunity
to
review
his
review
and
offer
comments
back.
So,
yes,
we
are
looking
to
finalize
that
in
the
next
several
months.
M
I
don't
want
to
commit
to
a
specific
timeline
or
window
on
that,
because
it
would
obviously
be
inappropriate
to
do
so
and
also
I
don't
want
to
misguide
the
committee
on
when
specifically
they
will
have
that.
However
jane
I
can
confirm
that
once
it's
complete,
it
does
become
part
of
the
public
record
associated
with
the
process
and
the
site,
and
so
obviously
will
then
be
available
for
anyone
who
would
like
to
review
it
as
part
of
the
proposal.
O
M
O
D
C
O
Finally,
you
have
any
more
questions.
Jane,
not
a
question,
may
perhaps
a
question.
I
wanted
to
comment
on
the
balconies
proposed
for
the
administration
building
my
general
feeling
looking
at
standards
and
guidelines,
is
that
that's
not
particularly
appropriate,
especially
on
the
administration
building,
or
maybe
they
need
to
be
scaled
back.
My
other
concern
is
turning
the
main
entrance
into
a
balcony
and
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
there
right
now.
O
In
my
point
of
view,
my
other
question
is
about
the
windows
and
how
they're
being
altered
on
the
cell
block,
and
I
know
that,
looking
at
standards
and
guidelines
as
well-
it's
all
about
you
know
not
having
floors
crossing
across
windows,
and
I
I
can't
tell
from
looking
at
what
you've
got
there
what's
going
to
be
happening
to
alter
these
windows.
So
if
anyone
could
comment
on
that
or
if
you
can
provide
more
information
at
a
later
date,
that
would
be
great.
R
H
Donald,
thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
through
you,
so
just
some
some
high-level
thoughts.
It's
very
hard
to
get
down
into
all
the
details.
I
I
first
of
all
I
want
to
commend
the
applicant.
I
mean
I
mean
this
is
just
an
immense
undertaking
and
it's
not
my
first
time
looking
at
it,
but
it's
just
very
impressive.
H
But
they
also
manage
the
way
they
move
their
whole
site
and
the
buildings
themselves.
They
manage
that
sort
of
interchange
of
public
and
private
really
well.
I
think
it's
very
interesting
that
the
new
buildings
will
have
this
immense
overlook.
So
you'll
have
this
sense
from
the
site
of
being
watched
all
the
time
which
is
kind
of
an
interesting
engagement
aspect
to
its
historic
use.
I
didn't
get
the
village
feel
as
much
from
the
overall
design.
H
If
you
look
at
the
empress
hotel,
which
has
renovations
off
the
back
and
off
the
side-
and
I
context
it
with
this-
the
public
is
really
coming
to
see
the
heritage
portion
of
the
building
and
not
just
necessarily
the
facade
on
sir
john,
a
and
so
right
from
the
first
time.
I
saw
these
plans.
I
wondered
about
how
accessible
is
it
for
the
public
to
encounter
the
heritage,
building
from
multiple
directions
and
views
and
feel
it's
still
a
heritage
building?
H
That's
what
people
are
coming
to
engage,
and
I
I
think
the
park
and
the
overlook
of
the
harbor
is
is
a
wonderful
area.
But
again
I
question.
If
that's
why
the
public
are
really
coming
to
engage,
and
I
I
think
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
But
those
were
my
initial
very,
very
high
level
perspectives
that
I
was
hoping
that
maybe
the
plan
could
incorporate
to
some
degree.
C
Hey,
thank
you
very
much,
donald
others
to
comment
and
council
talkety.
I
know
you
have
to
leave
pretty
soon
without
doing
a
quick
switch
of
the
chair.
I
would
add
my
comment
about
the
balconies.
I
think
what
has
been
said
is
absolutely
right.
I
think
they
need
to
be
looked
at,
but
otherwise
seeing
nobody
else
go
to
the
public.
Anybody
in
our
public
gallery
who
wishes
to
to
speak.
E
B
Thank
you
for
that
presentation
or
those
presentations.
I
I
have
to
tell
the
committee
that
barry
potolski
very
kindly
provided
a
session
to
the
membership
of
the
foundation.
It
was
very
well
received.
The
proponents
also
took
the
board
on
a
tour
of
both
the
building
and
the
site.
So
we
have
we,
the
royal
we,
that
is
the
foundation
I
think,
is
very,
is
very
impressed
with
the
proposal,
and
I
mean
we
do
have
some
reservations.
B
I
mean
as
you've
heard
from
other
the
of
the
committee
members,
but
I
I've
also
noted
that
the
the
committee
seems
to
be
very
impressed
with
what
is
being
proposed,
and
it's
incredible
to
have
this
p4w
building
adaptively
reused
in
the
future.
It's
it's
it.
We
really
look
forward
to
that.
We
do
have
the
foundation
has
some
reservations
about
the
height
of
the
proposed.
B
So,
but
we
are,
we
are
certainly
looking
at
all
this
material
in
great
detail
and
we've
provided
comments
at
the
public
meeting
for
that
which
came
to
planning
committee.
So
I
think
I
would
say
so
far
so
good,
it's
very
impressive.
I
think
there
will
probably
be
some
adjustments
to
the
proposal
over
time
that
and
we
look
forward
to
to
seeing
what
what
what
happens
with
this
application.
It's
quite
commendable.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
A
C
P
Yeah,
thank
you
again,
mr
chair.
I
just
I
actually
would
like
to
just
turn
it
over
to
one
of
the
owners
nate
dornacamp
for
a
minute
just
to
talk
about
some
of
the
design
exercise,
because
he
can
speak
to
some
of
the
details
on
the
balconies
just
to
leave
the
committee
with
some
of
the
thoughts
that
we've
put
into
it
already,
and
certainly
very
appreciative
of
the
comments
so
far,
but
I
just
want.
I
want
nate's
the
closest
to
the
architects
at
this
moment.
E
N
Yep
through
you,
mr
chair,
thank
you
for
all
the
positive
feedback.
This
is
what
we're
here
for.
I
also
like
to
take
this
opportunity
thanks
staff
and
both
the
past
heritage
committee
and
this
heritage
community,
who
both
have
been
through
the
building
staff's,
specifically
the
heritage
side
of
staff,
has
been
through
a
number
of
times
to
the
point.
I
think
if
ryan
goes
through
one
more
time,
he
should
bring
a
broom
and
maybe
start
working,
but
to
speak
to
the
to
the
balconies
this.
N
This
has
been
we've
been
three
years
in
the
design
of
this.
The
balconies
have
been
through
a
lot.
They've
been
oriented
a
different
number
of
ways,
and
we've
landed
on
this
balcony
location
in
the
balcony
size.
For
several
different
reasons,
outdoor
space
is
important,
especially
the
the
current
climate
we're
in
right
now,
the
the
mental
health
side
and
the
size
of
the
balconies
are
important.
We
want
to
give
people
proper
outdoor
space
to
either
we're
going
to
built
in
barbecues.
N
We
want
space
for
for
small
plantings,
herb
gardens
seeding.
We
don't
want
them
to
be
so
small
that
they
just
become
outdoor
storage.
We
start
to
see
bikes
and
storage
containers
on
them
and
we've
as
far
as
the
the
use
of
the
balconies
there's
a
design
component.
Most
of
the
groups
we've
toured
through
here.
C
Okay,
otherwise,
thank
you
folks.
I
know
we're
gonna
see
you
back
regularly
and
I
I
think
the
committee
really
appreciates
what
you've
done
and
the
way
that
you've
presented
it,
and
I
guess
I
can
say
best
wishes
because
we'd
love
to
see
this
property,
something
done
to
it
and
you've
got
a
vision
there
that
that
hopefully,
will
work
so
last
thoughts
from
anybody
and
seeing
none.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Folks.
C
C
C
We
gave
approval
to
princess
street
united
church
application
in
october
2020,
while
the
printed
minutes
did
not
show
it
specifically.
The
recording
on
youtube
shows
that
about
minute
45,
this
committee
was
threatened
by
the
applicant,
who
stated
that
the
application
would
lose
the
funding
necessary
to
complete
the
hub.
C
However,
since
then,
I
do
not
believe
anything
has
happened,
dements
still
stands
and
I've
not
heard
of
any
money
being
cancelled.
So
I'd
like
to
ask
staff
four
questions
with
answers
to
come
to
our
next
meeting,
I
don't
need
them
right
away.
Firstly,
what
is
the
status
of
the
funding?
Has
it
indeed
been
cancelled?
C
C
Correspondence
you've
got
correspondence
there
from
the
ontario
heritage,
trust
in
fact,
two
pieces
from
the
ontario
heritage,
trust
plus
the
addendum,
which
was
sent
to
you
this
morning.
One
two
three
five
pieces
on
the
prison
for
women
next
meeting
is
wednesday
november.
The
17th
usual
time
usual
place.
One
of
these
days
we'll
get
back
to
get
to
get
get
together.
I
haven't
met
a
number
of
you
get
back
together
with
some.