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Heritage Kingston meeting from June 15, 2022. For full meeting agenda visit https://bit.ly/3aW0OUN
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A
A
Does
that
help
that
does
help
excellent?
Thank
you
all
right.
We
can
go
ahead
and
get
started.
Mr
chair,
we
do
have
quorum
at
this
time
only
just
I
do
want
to
note
that
I
have
received
regrets
from
counselor
doherty
paul
banfield,
jennifer,
demeter
and
janine
o'reilly
councillor.
Usterhoff
also
mentioned
that
he
would
be
late
this
morning
getting
into
the
meeting.
So
just
a
note
to
our
committee
members
who
are
present.
A
A
I'm
here
perfect
thanks,
so
much
ted
appreciate
that,
as
for
staff
joining
us
this
morning,
mr
chair,
we
do
have
jennifer
campbell
director
of
heritage
services,
kevin
gibbs
manager
of
heritage,
programming,
andrea
gummo
manager
of
heritage
planning,
ryan
leary
senior
planner,
phillip
perrell,
intermediate
planner
and
alex
rose
thompson
planner.
We
also
have
ian
sullivan
as
our
meeting
host
this
morning
and
I
am
elizabeth
fawcett.
I
am
the
committee
clerk
for
heritage
kingston.
A
B
A
B
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Welcome
everybody.
You
have
an
agenda.
We
have
you
have
two
additions
to
that
agenda:
12
c
correspondence
from
don
taylor
and
12
d
correspondents
from
bruce
downey
and
I'm
accepting
those
as
parts
of
the
agenda
any
other
concerns
about
the
agenda.
If
not
I'll,
look
for
a
mover
of
the
amended
agenda.
B
Don
mitchell
that
moving
and
don
taylor's
seconding
any
discussion
seeing
none
those
in
favor
of
approving
the
amended
agenda.
I
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
ted
confirmation
of
the
minutes
of
may
the
18th.
There
is
one
minor
change
which
the
clerk
has
made
on
the
official
copy
on
page
four
five
lines
from
the
bottom:
we
we
wrote,
he
noted
that
the
dormer
should
be
smaller
and
that
is
going
to
be
changed.
Sorry
and
he
noted
that
the
dormers
should
be
smaller
and
that
will
be
changed
too.
B
B
I
will
be
withdrawing
on
33
brock,
street
and
don
taylor.
You
will
be
cheering
for
that
part
of
the
the
meeting,
any
others
and,
if
any
appear
as
we
go
through,
please
make
it
known
so
that
we
don't
get
into
awkwardnesses
presentations.
I
don't
believe
there
are
any
delegations.
I
don't
believe
there
are
any
briefings
which
brings
us
to
the
business
who's
going
to
start.
Is
it
kevin
or
is
it
jennifer.
C
B
C
C
You
know
paul's
a
dear
friend
and
obviously
worked
closely
with
us
in
our
department
and
he
did
pass
away
on
tuesday.
So
I
just
you
know,
wanted
to
formally
acknowledge
it
with
the
committee
and
also
share
with
everyone
that
paul's
service
has
been
arranged.
If
anyone
has
interest
in
attending
it
will
be
on
june
25th
at
st
george's,
a
place
very
dear
to
him.
So
the
service
is
at
11
a.m
and
then
it
will
be
followed
by
a
reception
in
the
hall
there
at
12..
B
D
If
that
is
a
more
convenient
way
to
to
provide
any
sort
of
input
that
the
committee
might
have
next
slide,
please
so
in
heritage
services,
we
take
a
fairly
broad
approach
to
heritage,
including
not
just
tangible
heritage,
so
the
things
that
people
can
pick
up
or
touch,
but
also
natural
heritage
and
intangible
heritage.
So
those
aspects
of
heritage,
customs
and
traditions
that
you
can't
pick
up
and
touch
within
our
programming
for
2022.
D
A
couple
of
themes
that
really
stand
out
are
the
importance
of
the
environment
and
sustainability,
but
also
the
importance
of
identity
and
improving
or
increasing
the
number
of
voices
that
are
included
in
the
programs
that
we
provide
and
the
exhibitions
that
we
produce
in
the
museums
next
slide.
Please.
D
We've
just
started
city
hall
tours
last
week,
restarted
city
hall
tours,
but
we're
also
looking
to
improve
or
increase
the
number
of
opportunities
for
programming
that
move
beyond
these
sites
and
I'll
talk
a
bit
about
those
today
as
well,
and
the
last
thing
I'll
mention
is
the
indigenous
community
support
that
heritage
services
provides
so
next
slide.
Please
so
I'll
talk
briefly
about
natural
heritage
first,
so
this
is
something
that's
been
very
important
for
the
history
of
kingston
and
the
location
of
kingston,
of
course,
is.
D
Was
encouraged
by
the
natural
resources
that
are
available
and
in
terms
of
our
programming
spaces,
the
mclaughlin
woodworking
museum
really
is
a
gem
given
its
rural
location,
the
opportunities
there
for
providing
workshops
and
programs
about
the
natural
world.
So
we
have
educational
programs
for
school
groups.
We
have
other
sorts
of
workshops
that
people
can
join,
that
talk
about
biodiversity
of
plants
and
animals,
habitat
preservation
and
those
sorts
of
things.
D
The
pump
house.
Of
course,
the
history
of
the
building,
is
very
much
connected
to
the
importance
of
water
in
the
city
of
kingston.
So
we
have
programs
that
are
about
those
sorts
of
things,
but
we
also
talk
about
water
preservation
and,
in
our
recent,
exhibit
or
ongoing,
exhibit
on
the
history
of
travel
in
kingston
or
the
history
of
transportation.
In
kingston,
there
are
opportunities
to
talk
about
the
importance
of
the
natural
world,
specifically
water
travel
in
the
history
of
the
city.
D
At
the
end
of
last
year,
we
did
some
outreach
to
local
schools
and
programming
with
local
schools
at
k-12
educational
programs
to
talk
about
the
third
crossing.
One
of
the
things
that
really
was
interesting
about
this
outreach
was
the
importance
of
the
impact
of
the
third
crossing
bridge
on
the
natural
world
to
the
students
that
were
participants
so
towards
the
end
of
2022,
when
the
bridge
does
reopen
does
open
for
the
first
time.
Rather,
we
will
be
thinking
about
offering
more
programming
to
school
groups
that
talk
about
this
importance.
D
This
relationship
between
the
natural
world
and
the
opening
of
the
bridge
next
slide.
Please,
of
course,
we
also
have
lots
of
opportunities
to
talk
about
tangible
heritage,
the
things
that
people
can
touch
and
look
at
at
city
hall,
we've
restarted
tours
for
the
2022
season,
so
people
have
been
coming
through
the
building
for
the
last
week
or
so
us
to
appreciate
the
built
heritage
of
this
part
of
kingston.
D
I've
already
mentioned
the
new
exhibits
on
the
move,
history
of
transportation
in
kingston
at
the
palm
palace.
So
this
is
an
opportunity
for
people
to
come
in
and
see
some
of
the
objects
from
the
civic
collection
which
aren't
often
put
on
display,
as
well
as
lone
objects
that
we've
gotten
from
individuals
and
other
museums
in
the
in
the
area.
D
D
D
We
also
have
aspects
of
online
resources
that
people
can
appreciate.
This
was
certainly
very
important
during
the
pandemic,
but
as
we
move
to
reopen
spaces,
I
think
they're
still
quite
important.
So
people
have
the
opportunity
to
take
a
virtual
tour
of
city
hall
to
the
city
of
kingston
website
and
also
have
the
opportunity
to
look
at
the
diversity
of
the
city
of
the
civic
collection
on
the
website.
So
we
can
people
can
see
some
of
those
things
that
aren't
on
display
and
aren't
typically
on
display.
D
The
sorts
of
community
groups
that
aren't
typically
represented
in
discussions
of
built
heritage
at
the
pump
house,
we're
continuing
our
long-running
trains
and
tots
program,
and
each
week
in
trains
and
taught
there
is
a
different
theme
that
the
preschool
crowd
can
appreciate.
Some
of
these
are
natural
heritage.
Some
of
them
are
on
tangible
heritage,
but
there
are
others
that
are
all
about
intangible
heritage,
so
topics
like
dance
or
music
in
correspondence
with
national
indigenous
peoples
day.
D
D
Traditionally,
this
is
taking
place
at
the
mclaughlin
in
2021.
It
moved
to
glen
burnie,
so
we're
thinking
about
how
we
can
move
these
this
program
to
multiple
locations
around
kingston
to
reach
the
broadest
groups.
Next
slide,
please
and
I'll.
Just
briefly
mention
here:
the
indigenous
community
support
that
heritage
services
provides.
Of
course,
the
indigenous
community
has
lots
of
different
activities
and
events
that
take
place
throughout
the
year
and
throughout
the
city.
D
D
So
next
slide
please-
and
this
is
my
last
slide
here-
just
to
mention
some
of
the
future
planning
that
we'll
be
doing
in
heritage
services
from
a
programming
and
exhibition
side
of
things.
Of
course,
during
2022
we'll
be
offering
many
programs,
but
we
also
have
to
be
thinking
about
what's
taking
place
in
2023.
D
D
We're
planning-
and
this
will
probably
be
beyond
2023,
but
we're
planning
on
installing
or
thinking
about
installing
a
sensory
garden
that
would
allow
people
to
engage
with
the
natural
world
using
different
senses
and
particularly
for
individuals
that
have
different
experiences,
different
abilities,
who
would
like
to
engage
with
the
natural
world
and
natural
heritage.
So
thank
you
very
much.
B
E
B
A
A
F
Thank
you.
I
just
have
two
quick
comments.
There
aren't
really
questions,
one
is,
and
I
think
just
to
put
it
in
the
minds
of
the
committee
members
one
is,
I
think,
as
a
person
who
came
to
kingston
in
2010,
one
of
the
one
of
the
tourism
things,
I'm
not
seeing
that
I
think
kevin
and
that
department,
through
their
work
might
be
able
to
do,
is
to
find
one
thought
that
kind
of
connects
it
all
a
lot
of
it
at
times
hits
you
as
very
diverse
lots
of
different
locations,
lots
of
different
things.
F
So
water
may
be
it.
You
may
find
a
better
one,
but
I
know
coming
from
a
city
like
victoria
bc,
their
tourism.
They
really
found
a
way
to
sort
of
connect,
all
the
pieces
and
all
the
different
experiences,
and
then
the
second
thought
is.
I
do
think
we
should
be
commending
staff,
and
I
want
you
to
go
even
further
with
the
idea
of
integrating
experiential
using
all
of
the
senses
and
really
bringing
it
alive,
especially
postcovid,
two
years.
I
think
it's
really
important,
particularly
for
kids
and
just
one
very
quick
example.
F
I
still
remember
you
know.
40
years
later,
I
grew
up
in
the
heart
of
the
nishkana
nation
out
west
and
part
of
our
school
curriculum
was
carving
and
you
you
don't
ever
change
that
sense
of
the
smell
of
cedar
and
the
carving
and
the
tactile,
and
I
think,
that's
really
important,
and
I
think
we
can
go
much
further.
That
direction
as
well.
But
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
B
G
G
So
many
of
us
know
this
property,
though
it
is
located
on
the
south
side
of
cataract
street,
that
it
butts
the
cane
pea
trail
and
is
adjacent
to
the
great
cataract
ray
river,
also
known
as
the
rideau
canal.
Next
slide,
please,
the
property
contains
a
large
red
brick
industrial
building,
known
as
the
woolen
mill
designed
by
william
newlands
and
constructed
in
1880.
G
So
the
property
is
designated
under
part
four
of
the
ontario
heritage
and
is
adjacent
to
the
redo
canal,
which
is
unesco
world
heritage
site.
The
designation
bila
describes
the
building
as
built
for
the
kingston
cotton
manufacturing
company
about
1880
this
red
brick
many
window
buildings,
one
of
the
very
few
large
industrial
buildings
still
standing
its
exterior,
has
few
alterations.
Its
interior
has
been
well
adapted
to
a
number
of
modern
uses.
G
Next
slide,
please
so
the
conversion
of
a
window
opening
to
a
door
opening
was
completed
in
the
spring
of
2021
without
prior
ontario
heritage
act,
approval
the
conversion
included
the
removal
of
the
sill
and
brickwork
to
lengthen
the
opening,
as
well
as
the
installation
of
new
brick
infill,
to
reduce
the
width
of
the
opening.
The
area
above
the
door
has
been
clad
in
metal
siding,
so
the
current
design
does
not
complement
the
architectural
style
or
heritage
character
of
the
building,
so
this
application
seeks
to
improve
upon
this
design
and
to
formalize
the
alteration.
G
G
Therefore,
this
proposal
includes
the
removal
of
the
metal
cladding
above
the
door,
the
continuation
of
the
infill
brickwork
to
the
arch
and
the
installation
of
a
new
painted
metal
door
system
with
a
large
volume
of
glazing
with
transom
and
side
light,
the
painted
metal
frame
and
door
will
match
the
clean
color
of
the
adjacent
windows.
So
this
design
is
more
compatible
with
the
building's
styling
character.
However,
heritage
planning,
staff
and
heritage
kingston
members
have
raised
concerns
over
the
size
of
the
transom,
which
is
on
the
large
side.
G
This
is
owing
to
the
relatively
tall
window
opening,
which
is
further
heightened
by
its
conversion
to
a
door
opening
so
staff
in
the
applicants
are
discussed,
increasing
the
height
of
the
door,
which
is
currently
already
eight
feet,
which
is
taller
than
an
average
size
door.
One
heritage
kingston
member,
suggested
the
addition
of
mountain
bars
to
match
the
adjacent
windows.
G
Please
so
staff
acknowledge
that
this
is
not
the
optimal
design
solution
for
the
conversion
of
the
window.
Opening,
however,
given
its
location
on
the
ground
floor
and
the
retention
of
the
remaining
window,
openings
on
this
elevation,
the
predominant
rhythm
and
symmetry
of
this
elevation
will
be
conserved
and
continue
to
be
visually.
Appreciated.
G
B
H
Yes,
I
think
we're
all
kind
of
sorry
the
way
that
this
has
developed,
and
I
I
think
we
really
should
somebody
should
be
asking
how
it
could
happen,
because
the
owners
are
very
familiar
with
heritage
buildings
and
have
done
a
lot
of
good
things.
It's
just
so
surprising
that
this
work
was
done,
presumably
without
a
building
permit
as
well.
G
B
I
I
Thank
you
thanks
for
having
me
yeah.
No,
I
I
I
appreciate
the
the
the
work
alex
and
her
team
has
done
on
this
and
mr
taylor
you're
100
correct
this
is
this
was
done
hastefully.
This
was
done
without
a
permit
and
without
process
that
I
am
very
familiar
with.
I
will
say,
as
a
commercial
landlord,
the
last
three
years
has
been
been
tough,
but
we
do
have
a
great
group
of
tenants.
We
offered
all
rent
reductions
through
the
landlord
that
were
offered.
I
I
I
If
we
didn't
act-
and
we
didn't
get
this
outdoor
space
correctly
located,
so
it
reduced
the
trip
length
for
staff,
it
made
it
more
of
a
patio
setting
for
the
patrons,
and
so
with
that
you
know,
as
well
as
the
the
rebates
and
the
support
we're
giving.
We
found
it
a
calculated
risk
to
act
on
their
behalf
and
and
not
essentially
just
not
lose
a
tenant,
not
lose
a
business
through
no
fault
of
theirs.
I
B
H
I
Is
is
was
our
best
attempt
of
what
we
had
because,
as
we
all
know,
glass
glass
doors,
you
know
I've,
I'm
dealing
with
some
other
projects.
Where
we're
you
know,
26
28
months
for
delivery.
So
there
was
also
the
element
of
using
what
we
had
to
get
this
and-
and
we
are
committed
to
to
make
it
something
this
committee
and
kingston
can
be
proud
of.
I
B
Yeah,
okay,
thank
you
and
that
the
point
and
the
delay
in
supplies
is
well
worth
remembering
as
well.
Perhaps
what
we
would
informally
suggest,
probably
through
alex,
then
that
some
suggestions
can
be
made
in
cooperation
with
you
in
in
modifying
what
we've
got
here,
to
make
it
more
appropriate,
alex.
G
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
would
just
add
to
just
be
clear
that
the
deck
patio
structure
is
not
part
of
this
application,
but
in
the
future
we
may
address
that
portion
and
there
may
be
you
know
to
dawn
to
mr
taylor's
point.
There
may
also
be
future
suggestions
for
improving
the
door.
Perhaps
the.
B
F
I
just
have
a
couple
quick
comments,
so
for
me
it
does
destroy
the
balance
and
the
symmetry
of
that
whole
wall
somewhat
so
in
line
with
other
people
have
suggested
just
as
another
voice.
It
grabbed
me
that
way.
I
wondered
about
the
designation
bylaw
in
terms
of
it
suggesting
there
haven't
been
a
lot
of
alterations
to
the
building,
but
in
conjunction
with
other
applications.
Now
and
eventually
with
the
next
phase,
it
sort
of
seems
like
saying
there
have
been.
No
alterations
is
a
little
bit
disingenuous.
F
B
B
B
I
B
L
L
L
Property
has
culture
heritage
value,
both
in
its
design
as
a
dramatic
victorian
era
building,
but
also
in
its
association
with
both
architectural
firm
power
and
sun
and
architect,
william
newlands,
the
designation
bylaw
includes
the
following
attributes:
it
notes
the
stucco
dwelling
with
the
complex
irregular
plan,
the
high-pitched
gable
roof
with
a
number
of
different
size
projections
and
the
hip
roof
porch
with
its
decorative
valve
in
woodwork.
Next
slide,
please.
L
So.
The
application
before
the
committee
today
is
under
section
33
of
the
act
there's
an
application.
The
applicants
would
like
to
renovate
the
upper
floor,
which
is
currently
an
attic
space
they'd
like
to
include
additional
habitable
space,
such
as
two
bedrooms,
a
utility
room,
a
common
room
and
an
additional
bathroom.
L
No
additional
units
are
proposed,
simply
expanding
usable
space
in
the
house,
so
to
facilitate
that
an
application
of
the
heritage
act
has
been
submitted
to
construct
a
rear
north
facing
gable
dormer
with
an
egress
window.
The
dormer
will
be
approximately
2.6
meters
wide
and
has
a
12
12
pitch
gable
roof
with
a
double
case
of
window
that
is
designed
to
provide
emergency
egress
from
the
floor.
L
The
dormer
will
be
clad
in
horizontal
cove
wood,
siding
in
a
color
that
matches
the
carriage
house
edition,
which
is
a
dark
red
and
dark
asphalt,
shingles
that
match
rest.
The
house,
in
addition
to
provides
additional
light
into
the
upper
floors.
Four
new
skylights
are
proposed.
That
includes
two
on
the
east
side
of
the
building,
one
in
the
west
and
one
on
the
north
side
of
the
dwelling.
L
That's
largely
out
of
view
from
both
king
street
west
and
livingston
avenue.
The
pitch
of
the
dormer
roof
gable
was
a
discussion
point
with
the
applicant
at
an
earlier.
At
a
preliminary
stage
of
this
design,
the
pitch
was
increased
as
far
as
was
felt
possible
in
order
to
maintain
the
functionality
of
the
dormer
and
the
egress
potential
of
the
window.
L
The
case
of
window
design
was
chosen
again
both
for
to
satisfy
the
legal
egress
requirements
and
building
code
and
to
complement
the
the
tall
narrow
windows
throughout
the
the
upper
floor
of
this
building,
many
of
which
have
have
a
few
mutton
bars
to
speak
of.
While
the
new
dormer
will
have
an
impact
on
the
heritage
character
of
the
resource.
L
It
is
designed
to
conserve
the
dramatic
and
varied
profile
of
the
original
roofline
and
will
be
located
away
from
public
view
in
order
to
allow
the
additional
natural
light
into
the
upper
space
the
owners
wish
to
install
for
skylights.
As
I
mentioned,
we've
worked
with
the
owners
and
their
agents
to
place
the
skylights
in
locations
that
are
at
least
visible
and
have
least
impact
on
the
roof
profile
from
particularly
from
the
public
realm.
L
At
this
point,
there
is
no
intention
to
replace
the
windows
simply
to
repair
caulking,
painting
and
performance,
so
permitting
the
building
to
evolve
to
suit
the
owners
needs
will
ensure
the
continued
upkeep
and
investment
into
this
valuable
resource.
The
new
addition,
the
dormers
and
skylights,
will
allow
the
heritage
resource
to
adapt
and
accommodate
an
expanded
use,
and
they
are
designed
to
be
compatible
with
this
and
subordinate
to
the
heritage
attributes
of
the
property
and,
if
removed
in
the
future,
the
resource
could
be
returned
to
its
current
design.
L
So
staff
support
the
conditional
approval
of
this
application.
Can
I
get
the
next
slide?
Please?
We
did
circulate
this
internally
there.
Many
of
the
technical
comments
will
be
addressed
at
building
permit
stage,
including
environments,
flag
about
designated
substances,
identification
and
soil
management
and
to
planting's
flag
about
confirming
zoning.
Compliance
committee
also
reviewed
this
and
the
members
responding
no
to
general
support
for
this
application,
and
your
comments
are
in
your
exhibit
d
of
the
report.
L
B
Can
you
just
hold
that
page
for
a
moment
ryan?
Can
I
just
confirm
with
you
that
seven
there
gives
the
owner
permission
to
assess
the
windows
and
repair
as
long
as
it's
within
accord
as
long
as
it's
in
accordance
with
our
policy
on
window
renovations
and
presumably,
if
anything
more
is
needed,
they
have
to
come
back
for
another
permit.
L
It's
yes
and
no,
mr
chair,
the
condition
is
intended
to
these
windows
haven't
been
looked
at
in
some
time,
so
the
exact
condition
of
them
is
unknown.
Their
intention
is
to
repair
if
they're
found
to
be
sort
of
falling
apart
as
they
take
them
out
to
repair
them.
They
are
to
come
back
to
staff,
with
assessment
prepared
by
proper
qualified
carpenter,
all
right
and
and
we'll
look
at
options
at
that.
Okay,.
H
Yes,
thank
you.
I'd
like
to
follow
up
peter's
concern
about
the
windows.
Basically,
we
don't
know
what
their
condition
is.
I
think
in
my
comments,
I
said
something
like
we
really
can't.
We
really
shouldn't
be
making
recommendations
without
better
information
on
the
windows,
and
I
you
know
from
what's
been
said.
I
understand
that
staff
and
the
owners
are
conscious
of
the
need
to
treat
these
windows
properly.
H
Nevertheless,
past
experience
has
been
pretty
bad
where
owners
and
applicants
have
been
told
you
can
make
repairs
in
accordance
with
the
windows
policy.
Of
course,
the
windows
policy
said
you
couldn't
replace
windows
if
necessary,
and
applicants
can
always
find
a
carpenter
or
tradesperson
to
say
yes,
they
should
be
replaced
so
we're
in
a
situation
that
I
don't
think
we
should
be
in.
I
don't
think
the
committee
should
permit
the
replacement
of
these
windows
without.
H
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
So
the
point
there
being
that
seven
refers
to
a
city
policy
which
in
fact
goes
beyond
what
this
committee
normally
likes
to
agree
and
that's
worth
noting
down.
I
think
ryan
is
remembering
and
in
our
review,
which
I
know
we're
reviewing
all
of
those
keeping
in
mind.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
don
for
that
other
comments,
questions
on
437,
king
and
seeing
none
anybody
in
the
public,
madam
clerk.
B
B
B
And
not
seeing
or
hearing
anything.
The
motion
then
moved
by
don
mitchell
seconded
by
jalen
bernie
as
printed
those
in
favor.
If
you
can
raise
your
hand
or
shout
I
thank
you
very
much,
those
against
and
that
carries
without
opposition,
and
I
just
realized
I
have
not
written
down
when
we
move
on
to
part
five.
So
somebody's
gonna
have
to
remind
me
ryan
is
168
wellington
in
part
five.
L
L
L
Recessed.
Full
glazing
was
added
to
the
openings
as
well
signage,
and
then
later
lighting
was
installed
on
the
springing
of
the
arches
of
the
openings,
long
brock
and
wellington
street.
So
this
property
was
designated
in
1975,
amended
in
76,
making
it
one
of
the
early
designations
in
the
city-
and,
I
dare
say,
probably
the
province
as
well.
E
L
L
Units
above
which
are
known
as
the
wellington
lofts,
the
proposal
includes
an
illuminated
sign
above
the
main
corner
entrance
with
an
arch
transom
within
the
arc.
Trenton,
the
metal
new
metal
sign
will
be
rounded
sort
of
a
half
moon
shape,
as
you
can
see
in
the
plans
to
fit
within
the
arts.
Opening
the
it
will
be
illuminated
from
the
interior
to
cast
a
halo
glow
around
the
white
letters
that
are
to
be
slightly
projected
from
the
matte
black
pan
and
okay.
G
N
L
Center
of
the
image
you
can
see,
there
are
two
metal
signs
also
proposed.
There
are
three
in
total
two
one
on
each
side
of
the
the
central
corner:
opening
they
are
uniluminated
black
and
there
to
advertise
the
I
believe,
the
restaurant
and
the
in
the
wellington,
lofts
and
then
next
slide.
Please,
there
is
another
one
on
the
right
side
of
the
brock
street
orlando
street.
Excuse
me
entrance
to
the
to
the
lofts.
L
There
are
various
vinyl
decals
you'll,
see
on
this
submission,
showing
the
civic
address
for
the
residential
units
and
the
property
owner
landlord
information.
These
are
mounted
on
the
interior
of
the
glass
and
they're
here
for
submitted
as
part
of
this
application,
simply
as
contacts
for
your
information
but
are
not
subject
to
heritage
act.
Approval
you'll,
see
in
the
plans
of
patio
proposed
along
wellington
street.
That
too,
is
is
not
part
of
this
application,
but
is
subject
to
a
patio
permit
through
the
city's
process.
L
So,
in
terms
of
our
review
parks,
canada
has
guidelines
for
window
doors
and
storefronts
in
their
standards
and
guidelines,
and
they
direct
the
design,
be
compatible
with
the
heritage
building
and
not
to
obscure
damage
or
destroy
character,
defining
elements
of
the
property
by
the
windows
and
doors.
On
the
ground
floor,
however,
they're
not
heritage
attributes
have
been
recently
replaced.
The
arches,
of
course,
are
attributes
the
doors
and
windows
in
the
ground.
Floor
are
recessed
in
order
to
better
showcase
those
stone.
L
We
did
circulate
the
usual
internal
departments.
Conditions
have
been
added
to
this
approval
to
address
some
of
the
technical
requirements
noted
by
the
agencies,
such
as
signed,
permit
requirements
and
quotient
permits,
heritage,
kingston
also
provided
comments,
and
they
are
summarized
in
exhibit
d
of
this
report,
and
the
staff
have
responded
to
a
couple
of
the
concerns
within
the
the
body
of
our
analysis.
L
B
B
Thank
you
very
much.
Looking,
then,
for
a
mover
and
a
seconder
for
the
motion,
the
recommendation
and
the
conditions
as
printed
in
the
package
and
as
ryan
showed
on
the
screen,
jane
mcfarlane
and
ted.
Thank
you
very
much
further
discussion
and
seeing
none
then
the
motion,
as
printed
moved
by
jane
mcfarlane
seconded
by
ted
smith,
those
in
favor
show
your
approval
all
right,
thank
you
and
those
opposed,
and
so
that
is
carried
with
no
body.
Voting
against.
H
G
G
So
the
property
is
located
on
the
southeast
corner
of
johnson
and
wellington
streets
right
there.
You
can
see
it's
surrounded
by
the
rest
of
the
old
sydney,
conservation,
district
district
as
well.
Some
other
part
fours
on
the
other
side
of
the
street
next
slide.
Please
property
contains
a
relatively
neo-classical
residence
that
was
constructed
in
1851
next
slide,
please,
so
the
property
is
designated
under
both
parts.
Four
and
five
of
the
ontario
heritage
act.
G
At
that
time,
staff
reviewed
the
old
cinema
hcd
plan
and
confirmed
that
section
5.4.3,
which
speaks
to
porches
and
verandas
and
balconies,
includes
guidance
for
the
construction
of
new
porches,
where
historical
evidence
demonstrates
the
existence
of
earlier
porches.
So
in
this
case
there
is
no
evidence
that
a
covered,
porch
or
portico
preview
previously
existed
on
this
property.
G
However,
the
architectural
style
and
composition
of
the
facade
can
comfortably
accommodate
a
portico,
and
there
are,
there
are
other
comparable
historic
houses
in
the
area
such
as
the
gildersleeve
building
that
do
have
porticos.
Accordingly,
at
this
time,
staff
conveyed
their
support
in
principle
for
the
addition
of
a
classically,
proportioned
portico
and
gave
more
detailed
design
guidance.
G
G
They
are
also
in
a
deteriorating
state
of
repair
and,
accordingly,
staff
are
are
supportive
of
their
replacement
subject
and
appropriate
design.
Next
slide,
please
so.
Consequently,
guideline
17
of
section
4.3.6
of
parks,
canada
standards
and
guidelines
provides
the
most
relevant
recommendation,
which
advises,
modifying
replacing
or
designing
a
new
entrance
for
your
balcony,
required
by
a
new
use
or
applicable
codes
and
regulations,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
so
in
this
case
we're
looking
at
the
treatment
of
rehabilitation
as
defined
by
those
standards
and
guidelines.
G
So
in
other
words,
this
is
a
sensitive
adaptation
of
historic
place
to
con
for
continuing
compatible
use
while
maintaining
its
historic
values.
In
this
case,
we've
got
a
historic
house
that
is
now
a
commercial
office
use.
So
then
portico
is
intended
to
provide
an
identical
identifiable
entrance
for
visitors
as
well
as
some
level
of
weather
protection.
G
So
when
staff
have
visited
the
site
on
multiple
occasions
and
I've
also
met
with
the
applicant
designer
as
well
as
several
heritage,
kingston
members
in
mid-may
the
design
of
the
portico
has
subsequently
undergone
several
revisions.
In
response
to
staff's
comments,
engineering
comments
relating
to
encroachment
in
the
city's
right
of
way,
which
has
been
a
significant
and
certainly
significant,
element
of
its
design,
as
well
as
most
recently,
a
number
of
responses
from
heritage.
G
Kingston
members,
so,
although
not
explicitly
intended
for
portico
or
porch
edition
section
5.2.2
of
the
district
plan,
does
provide
some
relevant
guidelines,
including
that
the
construction
of
additions
should
not
entail
removal
covering
your
other
adverse
impacts
on
the
heritage
attributes
of
the
original
building.
So
the
proposed
protocol
that
you
can
see
on
this
drawing
in
front
of
you
does
not
obscure
or
conceal
any
heritage
attributes
on
this
building.
It
is
centered
around
the
original
pair
of
wooden
entrance
doors,
which
are
recessed
within
the
central
bay
with
plaster
sited
on
either
side
of
the
reveal.
G
G
Portuguese
design
provides
clear
design
clues
that
it
is
a
modern
interpretation
of
a
classical
portico.
For
example,
the
absence
of
decorative
detailing
such
as
dentals
on
the
freeze
board,
modest
capitals
and
the
plain
metal
rails
reinforce
the
legibility
between
the
original
building
and
this
new
work.
Lastly,
the
individually
mounted
bronze
lettering
on
the
freeze
board
is
a
sympathetic,
yet
modern
style,
signage
heritage
planning
staff
did
raise
concerns
early
in
the
design
process
regarding
the
size
of
the
portico
and
ensuring
that
it
does
not
overwhelm
the
original
building.
G
G
So,
finally,
section
sorry
next
slide.
Section
4.3.4
of
the
district
plan
provides
guidance
for
the
restoration
replica
of
a
porch
which
is
largely
generally
inflicted
and
not
applicable.
However,
it,
the
section
does
address
materiality
and
notes
to
avoid
fiberglass
or
plastic
replicas
of
wooden
details.
Unless
there
are
no
other
reasonable
options,
so
this
is
a
new
porticone
porch.
However,
the
materials
for
the
construction
are
commonly
found
throughout
the
district,
so
they
include
painted
wood,
stone
and
iron
metal
railings.
So
these
are
all
traditional
materials
that
will
complement
the
existing
limestone
building.
G
So,
in
summary,
heritage
planning
staff
support
the
addition
of
the
proposed
portico.
The
design
is
complementary
to
the
architectural
style
of
building,
but
is
clearly
a
product
of
its
own
time.
There
are
no
identified
negative
impacts
to
the
building's
heritage,
attributes
and
the
cultural
heritage
value
of
the
property
will
be
conserved.
So
if
we
move
to
the
next
slide,
there
are
a
number
of
conditions.
I
believe
it
goes
on
to
the
following
slide
as
well
to
include
some
more
conditions
essentially
relating
to
details
of
the
new
stone
work.
G
So
we
can
better
understand
that
design,
ensuring
obviously
that
the
new
masonry
and
the
connection,
the
new
cortico
respects
the
state's
policy
on
restoration.
So
it
doesn't
do
irreversible
damage
building
permits
and
there
will
be
a
long-term
encroachment
agreement.
Given
that
this
whole
porch
is
technically
in
the
cities
right
away.
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
look
forward
to
your
questions.
B
A
E
E
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Through
you
just
two
quick
comments,
one
is,
I
think
we
have
to
acknowledge
and
appreciate
the
fact
that
the
applicants
were
willing
to
work
with,
especially
some
of
the
very
knowledgeable
members
and
staff
that
had
indicated
little
changes
that
would
improve
it,
and
so
I
appreciate
that
and
the
second
one
is,
I
think,
it's
really
important
to
the
district.
Commercial
has
a
lot
more
people
activity,
usually
than
residential.
F
H
One
of
my
suggestions
still
seems
to
remain
in
the
design
in
which
the
the
railing
down
to
the
street
is
not
parallel
to
the
stone
wall
and
to
me
that
isn't
really
appropriate
in
sort
of
classical
design.
So
I
I'm
still
of
the
opinion
that
we
better
that
if
the
iron
railing
were
parallel
to
the
to
the
stone
taper,
you
know
the
sloping
stone
wall.
H
G
Sure,
thank
you,
mr
chair
don.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
we
did
receive
that
comment
and
I
spoke
to
catherine
about
it.
I
had
understood
that
perhaps
it
was
a
misunderstanding
of
the
way
that
the
drawing
is.
Are
you
so
the
railing
does
curve
and
is
with
the
stoughton
stone
wall
beneath
it?
Is
that
the
concern?
I'm
not
sure
that
I
do
understand
now
that
I'm
hearing
you
reiterate
the
concerns.
H
B
G
B
Good,
thank
you,
john,
for
that
other
comments,
questions
just
totally
not
off
topic,
but
for
committee
members
to
know
we
were
talking
about
the
in
wandering
onto
city
property.
In
fact,
the
whole
front
of
that
building
is
legally
on
city
property
and
it
really
makes
it
difficult
for
additions
and
changes
to
be
made.
The
city
is
very
good
in
helping,
but
it
can
cause
problems.
B
Committee
members,
then
you
cannot
change
the
motion
which
you
have
printed
on
you
with
one
recommendation
and
eight
conditions
looking
for
remover
as
printed
don
taylor
and
a
secondar
as
printed
jane.
Thank
you
very
much
further
last
discussion
on
the
motion
as
printed
and
seeing
none
then
moved
by
don
taylor
seconded
by
jane
mcfarlane,
those
in
favor.
Please
show
their
favor
aye
and
those
opposed.
B
O
So
this
is
an
application
for
167
king
street
east,
which
is
part
four
in
part
five
under
the
ontario
heritage
act.
So
this
permit
is
largely
a
major
restoration
project
with
some
minor
porch
alterations.
Next
slide,
please
167
kings
treaties
is
located
mid-block
between
lower
union
and
gore
street
and
is
180
meters
northeast
from
city
park.
Next
slide.
Please.
O
167
king
street,
each
is
characterized
by
as
a
one
half
of
a
brick.
Sorry,
it's
a
double
brick
dwelling
with
two
stories:
two
bays
doors
and
the
end
bays
decorative
woodwork
and
a
non-original
wooden
porch
next
slide.
Please,
the
most
relevant
aspects
of
these
designation
bylaws
include
that
it's
designed
by
william
coverdale.
O
It
is
one
of
two
brick
buildings
with
the
same
design
and
finally,
its
front
facade
is
many
important
ornamental
features
such
as
the
flat
hooded
mound,
supported
by
long
slender
consoles.
The
then
then
particular
treatment
under
the
main
cornice
of
the
bay
window,
the
cream
of
fat
fecta
crown
molding
decorated
in
with
denturals,
topped
with
a
short
cast
iron
railing
and
the
roof
has
moldy
on
my
apologies
and
brick
gable
and
parapets
with
astro
ashar
corbil
stones.
My
apologies
for
that
pronouncing
those
words
next
slide,
please.
P
O
This
proposal
seeks
to
only
replace
those
character,
contributing
soffits,
fascias
cornice,
slash
entrance
features
that
are
impossible
to
repair
and
to
retain
as
much
of
the
original
material
as
possible
where
the
original
woodwork
requires
a
like
for,
like
replacement.
The
applicant
will
use
the
remaining
wood
features
as
a
model
for
the
proposed
recreations.
O
This
is
a
condition
of
approval.
Further,
the
new
wood
features
will
also
be
dated
to
confirm
the
year
of
installation
for
future
research
and
treatment
purposes.
This
is
also
a
condition
of
approval.
Those
repairable
features
will
be
preserved,
scraped
and
painted
like
for
like
and
protective
coatings
will
be
applied
to
all
related
wood
features
to
increase
their
lifespan.
O
Next
slide,
please,
in
addition
to
the
major
restoration
of
the
wooden
features,
the
existing
non-original
wood
deck
is
proposed
to
be
removed
and
replicated
in
wood,
except
for
the
more
appropriately
proposed
posts
and
balusters.
The
deck
frame
will
be
pressure,
treated
wood
on
this.
On
this
note,
I
wanted
to
thank
committee
for
providing
comments
on
the
porch
and
for
the
additional
follow-up
that
resulted
in
a
more
balanced
approach
of
a
more
attainable
but
more
appropriate
design
for
the
post
and
balusters.
It
was
a.
O
O
So
these
are
the
proposed
alterations
that
I
detailed
a
little
bit
earlier
in
the
application
next
slide.
Please-
and
I
wanted
to
highlight
a
few
major
conditions
that
were
noted
earlier,
namely
the
original
remaining
woodwork
will
be
used
as
a
model
for
the
recreations
and
the
replicated
woodwork
needs
to
be
subtly
dated
with
the
year
of
installation
and
with
that.
Thank
you
very
much.
Everyone
and
I'll
be
here
to
answer
any
questions
as
needed.
B
Good,
thank
you
phil
and
thank
you
for
working
with
the
committee
on
on
this
one.
It's
it's
an
interesting
renovation
alteration.
Whichever
word
we're
going
to
come
up
with
members
dash
comments,
are
they
correctly
included
in
the
package
and
seeing
and
hearing
no
comments,
then
members
of
the
public
able
to
ask
questions,
make
comments.
Madam
clerk.
F
No
worries-
thank
you,
mr
chair.
Through
you,
I
just
wanted
one
clarification
with
just
an
anecdotal
comment.
To
begin
with,
which
is,
there
is
a
a
growing
concern
in
the
district
that
I
know
from
the
district
association
and
others
that
the
way
that
trees
are
being
handled
and
the
replacement
of
trees
in
the
district
is
a
general
public
concern.
F
O
Are
you,
mr
chair,
absolutely
so
in
this
case,
there's
no
trees
that
are
proposed
to
be
removed,
so
I
believe,
that's
just
the
long
term
when
someone's
a
tree
permit,
they
characterize
it.
Sometimes
it's
true
removal
permit,
in
this
case,
there's
no
tree
to
be
removed
at
all.
I
believe
that's
just
a
longer
title,
however,
in
this
case
we're
trying
to
protect
the
tree
by
having
all
of
I
guess,
the
genie
lift
or
whatever
be
necessary
to
do
that
work.
O
We
want
to
protect
the
root
system,
which
means
there's
going
to
have
to
be
a
fencing
around
that
tree
and
to
prevent
any
storage
of
materials
over
that
as
well.
So
we're
actually
trying
to
do
our
best
to
maintain
that
tree
as
this
important
attribute
for
the
district
and
for
the
city
in
general.
I
do
appreciate
you
bringing
that
up,
though,
and
that
is
a
very
imprecise
wording
for
what
is
actually
going
to
be
protected
here
in
this
case,
so
I
will
note
that
for
the
future,
thank
you.
B
Okay,
thank
you
and
we
checked
through
the
public,
so
committee
members
looking
for
a
motion,
a
mover
for
the
printed
motion,
which
is
one
recommend.
Sorry,
it's
six
recommendations
and
seven
conditions
and
recommendation:
five
is
scraped
rather
than
scrapped,
and
the
tree
permit
is
to
help
the
tree
not
to
get
rid
of
it.
So
a
mover
if
we
can
don
mitchell.
Thank
you
and
a
secondary
don
taylor.
Thank
you
very
much
further
any
further
discussion
and
seeing
none
those
in
favor
if
you
could
show
your
hand
or
speak
all
right.
B
G
G
So
the
property
contains
a
two
and
a
half
story:
commercial
limestone
building
constructed
in
1840
to
1841
next
slide.
Please,
the
property
is
designated
under
part,
five
of
the
ontario
heritage
act
as
part
of
the
market
here,
market
square
heritage,
conservation
district
importantly,
the
property
is
a
representative
example
of
commercial
construction
in
kingston
from
the
early
to
mid
1800s.
G
So
the
district
plan
does
note
several
key
exterior
attributes
and
it's
worth
mentioning
that
the
application
before
you
today
all
relates
to
the
rear
of
the
property
we
did.
You
did
see
an
earlier
application
in
the
fall
that
addressed
the
sort
of
exterior
renovations
to
the
front
of
the
building
and
those
plans
are
still
approved
and
underway,
but
this
relates
to
changes
on
the
rear
of
the
property
next
slide.
Please
so.
Staff
have
visited
the
site
on
many
occasions,
given
the
previous
heritage
application
and,
of
course,
its
proximity
to
our
staff
offices
at
city
hall.
G
The
subject
property
is
located
adjacent
to
springer
market
square
and
forms
part
of
a
significant
historic
streetscape
been
permitted
to
the
district,
so
these
proposed
alterations
all
pertain
to
the
rear
of
the
building.
So,
on
the
on
this
slide,
you
can
see
both
the
real
rear
elevation
as
existing
when
standing
on
the
ground
floor.
Addition
at
the
rear,
looking
back
at
the
second
floor
and
roof
of
the
building,
and
not
the
most
obvious,
because
you
can't
really
see
its
location
from
the
from
ground
level
in
the
parking
lot.
G
G
This
addition
will
not
be
visible
from
spring
market
square
or
from
the
municipal
parking
lot
at
the
northwest
of
brock
and
ontario
streets,
its
small
size
and
second
story
height,
make
it
entirely
screened
by
adjacent
building
at
33
brock
street
next
slide.
Please
and
again
this
is
the
image
looking
to
the
west
with
33
brock
street
in
the
foreground,
and
in
this
application
this
the
size
of
the
addition
is
so
small
that
it
won't
in
any
way
peak
out
from
behind
33
rock
streets
will
be
entirely
concealed.
G
G
G
The
design
includes
a
flat
roof
painted
horizontal,
composite
or
fiber
spent
board
siding
the
district
plan
states
that
the
materials
observe
features
of
a
new
building
within
the
district
shall
be
visually
physically
and
visually
compatible
with
and
of
comparable
quality
to
the
heritage,
attributes
and
materials
of
the
surrounding
buildings,
so
painted
composite
or
fibrous
board
resembles
painted
wood,
siding
and
will
therefore
have
a
traditional
appearance
that
is
physically
and
visually
compatible
with
adjacent
stonework
of
the
original
building.
Equally,
we
have
a
contrasting
texture
which
will
help
differentiate
between
the
original
building
and
this
new
edition.
G
In
contrast
to
the
previous
three
story,
edition
design,
this
proposal
conserves
the
rear,
gable
roof
slope
which,
although
not
identified
as
a
heritage,
attribute
in
the
statement
of
cultural
heritage
value,
does
form
part
of
the
original
building.
Alterations
are
proposed
for
the
retained,
rear,
gable,
roof
slope,
including
its
repair
and
replacement
of
the
asphalt
roof,
covering
with
a
new
standing
seam
metal
roof,
which
will
match
the
front
approval
for
the
standing
metal
roof
on
the
front
gable.
G
But
the
departure
here
is
that
the
three
dormer
windows
will
be
removed
and
replaced
with
skylights.
The
standing
seam
metal
roofing
will
be
a
dark
gray
color
to
match
that
on
the
front
gable
and
the
new
skylights
will
be
sized
to
fit
within
the
openings
resulting
from
the
dormer
window
removal.
So
this
approach
conserves
physical
evidence
of
the
existing
dormer
window
placement
and
their
size
and
provides
an
opportunity
to
restore
the
dormer
windows
in
future.
G
The
existing
dormer
windows
are
in
a
deteriorating
state
of
repair
and
they've.
Clearly
undergone
many
past
alterations.
Conditions
have
been
included
as
part
of
the
recommendation
that
require
photographic
documentation
of
this
rear
elevation
prior
to
the
removal
of
the
dormer
windows,
as
well
as
for
details
of
the
new
skylights
to
be
submitted
prior
to
installation.
G
So,
in
summary,
the
proposed
re-addition
and
alterations
to
the
gable
roof
slope
on
35
brock
street
will
have
a
lesser
impact
on
the
heritage
fabric
and
form
of
the
original
limestone
building
than
the
previous
approval.
Additionally,
the
heritage
attributes
of
35
brock
street
will
be
conserved
and
there
will
be
no
impact
to
the
cultural
heritage,
value
and
attributes
of
the
market
square
heritage
conservation
district.
G
B
A
B
And
I'm
not
seeing
any
movement
anywhere
wave
quickly
or
we
move
on
to
looking
for
a
mover
and
a
seconder
for
the
printed
motion,
three
parts
and
then
eight
conditions
mover,
please
jane
mcfarlane,
secondary
don
mitchell,
okay,
further
discussion
and
seeing
london.
The
motion
has
printed
moved
by
jane
from
mcfarland
secondary
don
mitchell,
those
in
favor.
B
H
L
L
L
It's
a
mixed-use
building
built
between
1840
and
1842,
following
a
pretty
significant
fire
that
destroyed
many
buildings
in
this
stretch
of
brock
street,
with
its
limestone
facade
second
floor
window
openings
and
shed
roof
profile
with
parapets,
the
building
has
a
has
contributed
greatly
to
that
evolving
character
of
of
the
market
square
district.
Next
slide,
please.
L
L
L
In
terms
of
our
assessment,
the
district
plan
includes
several
objectives
for
the
plan
itself.
The
proposal
supports
those
objectives,
particularly
objective
three,
which
speaks
to
ensuring
that
signage
is
physically
and
visibly
compatible
with
the
heritage
attributes
of
the
individual
buildings
and
the
square
itself.
L
It's
located
above
the
recessed
entranceway
and
framed
by
two
wooden
polisters
the
front
ground
floor.
Cladding
is
a
later
addition
and
is
not
original,
nor
included
as
a
heritage
attribute
in
the
other
building.
The
sign
fits
well
along
the
sign
band
with
about
five
centimeters
of
space
on
each
side.
This
location
ensures
that
the
new
the
no
heritage
attributes
are
obscured
by
the
sign.
L
L
Sorry,
let
me
try
that
again,
the
exterior
is
aluminum
with
ellie
green,
led,
green
halo
lighting
behind
it.
The
plan
states
that
the
two
types
the
types
of
illumination
should
be
carefully
considered,
and
while
external
lighting,
such
as
the
gooseneck
lighting,
which
is
to
remain,
is
preferred,
self-illuminated
signs
are
permitted
in
the
district
and
provided
that
they
do
not
have
an
adverse
impact
on
the
attributes
of
the
building
of
the
district.
L
Now,
as
a
condition
of
approval,
staff
have
included
a
condition
to
allow
staff
an
opportunity
to
review
the
intensity
of
the
elimination
once
installed
in
order
to
ensure
that
does
not
adversely
impact
the
district
itself,
and
the
agent
has
of
this
applicant
has
offered
to
make
concessions
to
decrease
the
intensity
of
the
light,
should
it
be
deemed
to
be
too
bright
upon.
Inspection
such
as
implying
a
tinting
film
on
the
inside
of
the
acrylic
face
or
using
the
gooseneck
lightings,
which
I
mentioned,
are
to
remain
or
replacing
the
lights
within
the
sign
box.
L
This
was
circulated
to
our
usual
departments.
Condition
of
approval
have
been
added
to
satisfy
requirements
of
the
committee
agents,
such
as
sign
and
encroachment
permits.
The
committee
also
provided
comments,
which
are
in
exhibit
d
of
the
report
and
staff,
have
included
reference
and
responses
to
those
in
our
analysis.
L
H
H
A
M
F
Thank
you,
mr
vice
chair
through
you.
I
just
wanted
to
flag,
maybe
for
staff
in
looking
this
application
and
considering
a
number
of
other
signage
applications.
We've
had
over
the
past
year,
just
ensuring
that
we're
doing
kind
of
a
consistency
of
handling,
and
actually
it
was
the
comment
about
matching
what
other
people
have
done,
that
that
sort
of
flagged.
This
for
me,
which
is
some
applicants,
have
taken
great
great
pains
to
be
sensitive
to
heritage
cost
as
well
in
the
way
that
they've
applied
their
signage.
F
There
seems
to
be
some
debates
over
whether
wood,
signage
and
gooseneck
lighting
versus
illuminated
signs
etc,
and
I
think
for
committee
members,
particularly
those
of
us,
maybe
who
haven't
spent
years
working
in
this
in
this
field.
It
starts
to
get
a
bit
confusing
about
what
what
is
sort
of
permitted,
what's
not
permitted
and
whether
or
not
there's
an
overall
plan-
and
I
think
that
goes
up
princess
street
as
well,
but
because
this
is
the
heritage
district,
there's
a
lot
of
activity
in
the
district.
There
are
a
lot
of
lighting
plans
already
on
city
hall,
etc.
F
H
F
H
L
A
J
Yes,
hi,
my
name
is
john
detour,
I'm
the
master
franchisee
for
all
of
ontario.
I
just
wanted
to.
Let
council
know
that
our
normal
sign
excuse
me
is
actually
an
oval
design
and
we,
we
decided
with
caleb
and
raj,
to
to
downgrade
that.
I
guess
the
pop
of
the
sign
to
kind
of
blend
more
into
the
square
by
making
it
rectangular
by
trying
to
get
rid
of
a
lot
of
that
lime,
green
border
and
making
the
aluminum
more
contrast
to
the
wood.
We
we
completely
acknowledge
that
it
is
a
historical
building.
J
We
we
take
homage
to
to
kingston
and
its
heritage
and
its
history,
and
we
just
wanted
to
try
and
do
what's
best
to
appease
the
the
franchise
owner
by
driving
in
business,
because
you
know
he
has
to
make
money
and
also
by
making
sure
we
don't
offend
anybody
in
the
area.
By
having
such
an
obtrusive
sign.
H
B
L
B
K
K
K
K
There
was
relief
being
asked
from
planning
and
and
a
series
of
many
negotiations
and
discussions
happen.
Some
alterations
were
being
asked
for
to
the
configuration
of
this
building
and
in
those
discussions
the
owner
and
city
planner.
In
this
case
it
was
chris,
mr
chris
wicca
discuss
various
alternatives,
and
what
you're
looking
at
today
are.
We
will
be
the
alternative.
We
looked
at
it
because
this
particular
scheme,
even
though
there
might
be
some
relief
there
might
be
some
adjustments
that
might
be
made
the
design
it
didn't
take
away.
K
K
Can
I
have
the
next
slide
thanks
elizabeth,
so
this
is
a
partial
site
plan,
so
in
the
upper
along
the
left
side
of
the
drawing
and
from
the
upper
you
see
an
arrow
showing
an
entrance
off
king
that
we're
proposing,
and
then
then
you
see
the
garage.
The
roadway
coming
down
to
the
new
proposed
garage
and
attached
to
it,
which
isn't
solid
here
because
it
doesn't
meet
the
ground,
is
an
archway
that
connects
to
the
service
borders
or
the
annex
on
the
lower
part
of
that
drawing.
K
I
also
tried
to
incorporate
in
this
a
south
elevation.
The
north
elevation
is
very
similar.
The
south
elevation
of
the
provides
garages
with
the
two
doors
on
the
lower
level
and
two
banks
of
three
windows
on
the
upper
level:
the
archway
on
the
east
side
of
that
garage
and
a
walking
pathway
arched
as
well
to
in
order
to
limit
the
degree
to
which
the
existing
structure
is
or
the
new
addition
is
attached
to
the
existing
structure.
K
I'm
I'm
moving
along
here
fairly
quickly,
but
we
can
come
back
to
these.
If
the
committee
has
any
questions
about
this,
I've
been
asked
to
try
to
keep
it
brief.
It
does
show,
I
think
in
this,
though,
a
plan
of
an
entry
and-
and
I
will
can
bring
this
up
a
bit
later-
but
one
of
the
components
of
this
design
that
offered
relief
to
something
that
has
disturbed
me
since
we're
starting
to
work
on
this.
Drawing
on
this
building
gosh
almost
a
decade
ago.
Now
is
its
entry.
K
The
other
windows
will
remain,
one
will
still
be
outside
and
on
the
lower
level,
there
is
a
one
doorway
that
is
being
altered
in
order
to
provide
an
access
and,
and
the
other
two
windows
will
will
look
into
the
carriageway.
So
they'll
remain
as
well,
so
we're
have
a
minimal
impact
on
the
existing
west
wall
of
the
servant,
swine.
K
But
there
will
be
I've
left
it
here,
because
there
will
be
the
need
for
a
small
addition
to
the
top
of
the
servant's
wing
in
order
to
gain
access
to
a
proposed
roof
deck,
and
but
that
particular
access
won't
won't
need
to
be
above
the
eve
of
the
existing
heads.
So
we
won't
be
disturbing
that
that's
our
hope
anyway,
as
we
develop
drawings.
K
So
I
left
that
in
just
so.
The
committee
can
see
that
there
will
be
some
form
of
building
there.
We
just
don't
know
specifically
what
that
will
look
like
yet,
but
I
have
the
next
drawing
please
okay,
so
this
gives
the
top
image
gives
a
bird's
eye
view
from
the
south.
Looking
at
the
servant's
quarters
the
three
new
windows
in
the
end
of
that
building,
then
it
shows
the
link.
K
Then
it
shows
the
garage
attached
to
that
and
and
this
particular
structure
the
garage
is
lower
than
the
previous
scheme,
in
other
words
less
height
than
the
previous
scheme.
That
was
approved
and
it
is
less
height
than
the
existing
servants
quarters
a
roof,
but
it
retains
a
similar
kind
of
a
building
envelope
and
that
it
has
squared
walls
as
both
the
servant's
wing
and
the
carriage
house
for
the
property
that
is
now
46.
Simple.
K
So
this
that
the
top
drawing
shows
what
are
our
thoughts
on
it
on
that
new
edition
and
then
the
lower
part
of
the
drawing
shows
where
that
addition
is
in
relation-
and
I
show
it
instead
of
a
yellowy
green
color-
we
won't
be
using
a
roofing
of
that
color.
But
that's
that
this
thing
have
it
stand
out,
shows
what
what
its
relationship
is.
It's
slightly
back
from
the
garage
at
83k.
K
It
is
in
line
with
the
garage
is
in
line
with
the
back
the
south
end
of
the
porch,
but
the
link
to
the
servant
quarters
is
is
set
back
from
the
port,
so
the
entirety
of
the
main
house,
the
mansion,
is
unaffected.
Like
this
particular
edition,
the
lower
picture,
I
think
what
shows
well
the
entrance
off
king
street
and
how
that
entrance
will
work.
K
Offers
a
tremendous
benefit
of
the
carriageway,
which
is
a
an
architectural
feature
that
is
used
quite
a
bit
in
the
sydney,
ward
area
and
in
downtown
kingston.
So
you
can
pass
through
that
carriageway
and
leave
your
vehicle
under
cover
to
enter
the
house,
which
seems
to
be
in
keeping
with
the
magnitude
of
this
particular
building.
K
They
stand
out.
These
are
going
to
be
openings,
but
you
can
see
from
the
main
building
that
the
windows
won't
appear,
that
black
they
as
the
one
the
main
building
they
buried,
light
gray,
which
is
similar
to
the
stone,
and
the
intention
is
that
the
garage
doors
painted
in
a
similar
similarity
to
the
stone.
So
it
doesn't,
they
don't
stand
out.
Minimizes
their
visual
impact
and
and
the
windows
will
be.
I
had
mentioned
two
banks
of
three
windows
and
each
of
those
windows.
K
K
The
lower
picture
shows
that
color
rendering
a
little
bit
clearer
and
also
shows
the
archway.
Now
it
does,
this
picture
was.
I
wanted
to
really
show
the
new
entrance
off
king
street
and
the
stone
wall.
That's
in
the
front
of
that
building,
it's
broken
into
approximately
16
foot
wide
bays.
So
this
the
rock
face
stone
that
meets
the
ground
along.
K
That
side
is
punctuated
with
plasters
of
stone
at
about
16
foot
intervals,
and
we
would
be
taking
one
of
those
intervals
away
and
re
turning
it
90
degrees
to
where
its
original
setting
and
reinstating
it
and
then
ironwork
would
be
put
in
matching
the
ironwork
of
the
existing
railing.
So
we
would
be
retaining
the
integrity
of
the
street
front
fence
work.
K
I
should
point
out
here-
and
I
did
in
in
our
in
my
responses
to
some
of
the
questions
that
a
tree
that
used
to
live
just
in
front
of
that
wall
fell
over
the
gate
and
the
railing
the
main
entrance
gate
off
king
and
the
railing
and
the
stonework
damaging
the
gate.
The
railing
the
posts,
the
stonework
and
the
owner
had
those
repaired
to
match
the
original,
and-
and
I
don't
think
anybody
would
really
notice
that
any
of
that
changed
he
would
be
applying
the
same.
K
K
We're
only
altering
a
small
section
of
railing
at
the
south
end
which
really
isn't
viewed
from
the
street,
so
the
materials
we
hope
to
use
on
this
are
stone.
The
stone
will
be
similar
in
nature
to
the
existing
stone
on
the
property,
since
we
think
that
continues
the
character
of
the
of
the
property.
K
B
A
H
H
In
a
sense,
we're
being
asked
to
give
an
opinion
as
to
whether
we
prefer
this
garage
plan
to
the
previous
one
and
an
important
difference
is
that
the
previous
one
also
included
garaging
for
the
carriage
house
property
at
the
rear,
and
this
one
apparently
does
not.
So
I'm
wondering
if,
if
we
go
ahead
with
this
proposal,
will
the
will
then
be
a
new
application
for
a
garage
for
the
simple
street
carriage
house.
H
K
P
P
So
my
first
concern
is
that
the
proposal
to
remove
part
of
the
stone
wall
and
create
an
opening
for
a
driveway
on
king
street
is
not
supported
by
general
standard
number.
One
of
the
standards
and
guidelines
for
the
conservation
of
historic
places
in
canada
that
is
conserve
the
heritage,
value
of
a
historic
place,
do
not
remove,
replace
or
substantially
alter
its
intact
or
repairable
character.
Defining
elements,
so
this
is
not.
P
P
P
P
The
former
carriage
house
was
accessed
off
simcoe
street
and
the
front
door
access
would
have
been
limited
to
person
traffic.
There
are
many
intact
and
existing
examples
of
this
along
the
corridor,
and
this
should
be
preserved.
Old
sydney.
Hcd
plan
asks
us
to
consider
five
key
questions
when
proposing
an
alteration
for
a
property
in
the
district
question
number
five
must
be
addressed
here.
P
P
My
third
concern
is
with
the
design
of
the
addition
and
the
number
of
policies
in
the
old
sydneym
heritage
conservation
district
that
it
does
not
adhere
to.
As
noted
in
the
staff
report
that
we
had
in
our
agenda,
demolition,
alterations
and
new
construction
in
the
old
sydney
heritage,
conservation
district
must
conform
to
the
policies
of
the
old
sydneym
heritage
area,
hcd
plan.
Specific
attention
should
be
given
to
sections
5.0
and
7.0
of
the
plan.
P
Finally,
I
urge
the
committee,
when
reviewing
and
responding
to
this
request
for
information,
to
give
consideration
to
the
eight
guiding
principles
in
the
conservation
of
historic
places
in
st
and
standards
and
guidelines
for
the
conservation
of
historic
places
in
canada.
4.3
guidelines
for
buildings
and
particularly
exterior
form,
is
very
useful
4.3.1
as
it
stands
today
from
a
heritage
conservation
perspective.
I
cannot
support
this
proposal.
Thank
you.
F
And
what
I
see
and
I
think
actually
with
mr
downey
I've
had
this
conversation
with
accessibility,
where
we
try
to
drive
at
the
intent
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
and
don't
always
get
grounded
in
the
specifics
of
what
the
legislation
tells
you
you
can
do,
or
you
can't
do,
and
one
of
the
things
I
found
about
this
design
was.
It
was
a
very
elegant,
elegant
response
and
I
really
appreciated
a
lot
of
the
nuance
that
was
in
the
way
that
it
was
all
kind
of
put
together.
F
So
without
going
a
lot
further
study
and
and
looking
specifically
at
the
district
plan,
I
have
these
high
level
thoughts
for
your
consideration
in
no
particular
order.
I
noticed
that
there's
a
a
sloped
curve
in
the
front
of
the
building.
I
don't
know
if
that's
related
to
where
the
tree
was
or
not,
and
I
wondered
what
that
was
about
whether
or
not
there
had
been
some
form
of
a
drive
or
an
axis
there
at
some
point.
F
But
if
you
look
on
google
maps,
you
can
actually
see
that
there
is
some
some
drop
of
the
curb
height
and
then
return
of
the
curb
height.
I
wondered
about
that.
I
wondered
about
snow
removal
on
the
deck
and
I
wondered
about
whether
or
not
you'd
use
some
kind
of
scupper
drain
or
the
design
of
the
the
glazing
rail
that
you're
doing
means.
F
F
It
struck
me
that
by
being
designed
the
way
it
is
and
so
small
it
actually
draws
my
eye
to
it
and
really
makes
it
stick
out
even
more,
and
I
wondered
if
you
do
go
forward,
and
there
is
any
future
external
kind
of
look
at
that.
That
may
be
doing
something
more
meaningfully
designed
and
larger
solarium.
Whatever
might
actually.
If
it's
designed
right
respectfully
might
actually
draw
the
attention
to
it
less
than
than
just
the
straight
poke
up.
F
The
wonder
I
wondered
about
the
glazing
panels
on
the
west
side
that
any
furniture
or
activity
that
is
up
there
is
going
to
is
going
to
be
seen,
and
I
have
wondered
about
that
in
terms
of
a
visual
intrusion
in
the
district,
and
I
know
on
some
of
the
city
buildings,
particularly
for
affordable
housing.
They
have
strategically
sort
of
arranged
the
glazing
panels.
So
it's
not
just
one
large
mass.
F
My
fourth
point
had
to
do
with
it
seemed
to
say
in
in
the
proposal
so
far
that
there's
almost
this,
this
color
design
to
kind
of
match
the
original
structure
so
to
speak,
and
I
wondered
whether
that,
despite
the
the
very
purposeful
and
meaningful
design
of
a
very
modern
edition,
I
wondered
if
that
for
me,
would
then
make
it
all
seem
like
it
was
one
structure,
and
so
I
wondered
with
the
the
the
portion.
That
is
the
the
arched
way
that
you
can
pass
under.
F
F
I
wondered
about
the
dormers
on
the
adjacent
property.
What
is
the
function
of
those
and
that
stonewall
or
concrete
wall
basically
completely
blocking
off
those?
I
wondered
if
there's
a
compromise
there
using
plantings
or
something
to
try
to
soften
that
a
bit
or
or
make
those
dormers
not
so
cut
off
just
by
a
property
line,
and
the
final
thought
is
it
kind
of
balances.
F
For
me,
the
apartment
building,
which
has
a
very
modern
and
over
well,
not
modern,
but
very
new,
overwhelming
presence
on
the
one
side
of
the
building
from
the
streetscape
and
the
garage
would
actually
sort
of
balance
that,
with
the
modern
on
the
other
side,
those
are
my
initial
thoughts.
Thank
you.
B
B
A
B
N
B
H
H
If
that
were
really
the
case,
then
the
previous
design,
which
was
a
rather
massive
structure,
could
be
reduced
and
maybe
there'd
be
less
massiveness
to
the
to
the
view
from
simcoe
street
and
less
loft
coverage
by
buildings
and
so
on.
So
I
I
guess,
I'm
saying
that
my
vote
would
be
for
the
previous
design,
but
with
it
reduced
at
the
rear,
so
that
it's
not
quite
so
substantial.
R
R
This
is
being
handled
so
well
and
with
so
many
really
solid
considerations,
and-
and
so
I
I
kind
of
lean
with
donald
mitchell
right
now
too,
but
I'm
going
to
look
at
it
and
I'm
open-minded
about
it,
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
it's
a
tremendous
location,
a
tremendous
property.
I
know
we're
all
very
proud
of
it,
even
though
it's
not
ours,
but
it's
something
special.
R
B
Thank
you
very
much
other
thoughts,
seeing
none
then
bruce
you've
heard
these.
You
know
how
to
get
in
touch
with
us.
We
know
how
to
get
in
touch
with
you.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
and
effort
in
producing
this
one,
and
we
look
forward
to
seeing
what
what
your
final
iteration
of
the
the
proposal
will
be.
B
B
No,
I
need
a
receiver
mover
to
receive
these
reports
as
printed
on
taylor
and
a
seconder
for
that
motion
don
mitchell.
Thank
you
very
much.
I'm
not
sure
we
can
answer
any
questions,
but
if
you
have
them,
try
me
but
seeing
them,
then
those
in
favor
of
receiving
the
heritage,
property
working
group,
briefing
notes
of
may
the
12th
bye
and
those
opposed,
and
that
is
carried
with
with
no
opposition
we
have.
I
just
got
to
be
careful.
I
don't
miss
things
out
here:
ryan,
emergency
approvals,.
S
To
report
two
emergency
approvals,
one
actually,
we
neglected
to
report
at
the
last
meeting
so
we're
bringing
it
forward
now.
Apologies
for
that,
so
that
was
on
highway
15,
some
some
a
leaky
roof
and
then
it's
in
the
agenda
as
well,
and
then
also
we
have
437
king
street
west
copsworth,
which
which
we
saw
today
for
the
full
permit.
S
B
Thank
you
very
much
any
questions
on
either
of
those
okay
motions
for
next
months,
not
seeing
any.
No
sorry
there
are
notices
of
motion
for
next
month
other
business
correspondence.
Then
you
have
two
newsletters
and
we
remind
you.
The
july
meeting
is
scheduled
for
july
the
20th-
and
I
just
remind
those
of
you
who
may
have
forgotten
the
brockville
heritage
conference
this
friday
and
saturday,
and
I'm
told
that
there
are
day
passes
still
available.
B
If
you
suddenly
decide
that
you
want
to
spend
friday
or
saturday
in
in
brockville,
so
those
of
you
who
are
going
to
be
there
look
forward
to
seeing
you
otherwise,
unless
I
have
forgotten
anything,
look
for
a
mover
to
adjourn
this
meeting
at
11,
42,
jane
and
a
second
there's,
always
lots
of
seconders.
That's
right,
dylan
taylor.
Thank
you
very
much.
We
are
adjourned.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
In.