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Heritage Kingston meeting from August 17, 2022. For full meeting agenda visit https://bit.ly/3wc4iKG
A
B
C
A
Perfect,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
Through
you,
we
do
currently
have
quorum
at
this
time.
Missing
from
our
committee
is
paul:
banfield
jolinka,
bernie,
jennifer,
demeter,
donald
mitchell
and
ted
smith,
joining
us
from
staff
for
jennifer
campbell,
director
of
heritage
services,
andrea
gummo
manager
of
heritage
planning,
phillip
perrault,
intermediate
planner,
aiden,
mcfarland
intern
with
heritage
services.
A
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
and
I
would
certainly
welcome
aiden.
Aidan
is
an
intern
with
the
heritage
department
and
welcoming
aiden.
I
know
you're
going
to
have
some
things
to
say
during
the
meeting.
The
meeting
then
called
to
order
at
9
34
approval
of
the
agenda
as
printed.
Are
there
any
additions?
Changes
to
that
agenda
that
you
wish
to
make
don
taylor.
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
A
In
a
little
bit
garbled
mr
taylor,
I'm
not
sure
if
it
might
be
an
internet
connectivity
concern.
We
might,
I
might
suggest,
if
you'd
like
to
exit
and
come
back
into
the
meeting
and
see
if
that
adjusts
it.
We
can
take
a
brief
pause
here
to
make
sure
that
we
have
everyone
in
the
meeting.
I
will
also
note
that
counselor
osterhoff
seems
to
have
dropped
off
the
call,
and
so.
F
A
B
B
And
I
see
jaden
mcfarland
looking
for
a
second
and
I
see
councillor
ustahoff
so
moved
by
accounts
by
jane
mcfarland
seconded
by
councillor
ustahoff
any
further
discussion
and
seeing
none
those
in
favor.
If
you
can
raise
your
hand
or
call
in
and
those
opposed
and
those
minutes,
then
are
okay.
Pecuniary
interest.
Do
we
have
any
known
at
this
time
and
if
not
my
usual
comment
that
if
any
suddenly
appears
please
let
us
know,
delegations,
presentations,
briefings,
business
from
cultural
heritage
at
all,
which
brings
us
down
to
the
stat
business
of
center
street
and
philip.
G
G
So
the
subject
property
102
center
street
is
located
mid
block
between
union
and
edge
hill
street
is
approximately
105
meters.
South
of
union
street
is
approximately
15
meters
south
of
the
beth
israel
congregation
next
slide.
Please,
the
building
at
102
center
street
is
a
two-story
limestone
cottage,
with
an
associated
full-length
veranda
and
has
distinctive
architectural
features
that
was
built
between
1857
and
1858.
G
Next
slide,
please,
the
designated
property
is
the
following:
most
relevant
attributes
related
to
this
application,
which
are
highlighted
on
the
slide.
These
are.
This
is
a
good
example
of
a
gothic
revival.
Slash
pixar
s,
design.
The
veranda
is
a
defining
cottage
feature,
although
ideally
in
its
original
style,
the
building
has
a
distinct
has
a
direct
association
with
smith,
barlett
alexander
campbell.
E
G
G
The
existing
porch,
while
generally
sympathetic
to
the
building
is
heritage
neutral
due
to
its
preservation
of
a
form
location
of
the
porch,
but
is
quote
too
heavy
in
its
appearance
compared
to
the
principal
dwelling
due
to
its
thick
columns,
lack
of
ornamentation
and
closed
off
porch
roof
peak,
the
proposed
historic
porch
ties
into
the
gothic
revival
design
and
restores
a
significant
amount
of
heritage
value
to
the
property.
The
restored
porch
will
be
based
on
pictorial
evidence
we'll
maintain
the
existing
porch
footprint
is
a
return
to
the
original
designer
slash
builders.
G
G
G
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
one
of
the
following
conditions
here
in
that
the
applicants
subtly
date
the
woodwork
away
from
public
view
with
the
year
of
installation
for
future
maintenance
and
legibility
purposes,
and
with
that,
thank
you
very
much.
Everyone
I'm
open
to
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
H
B
Good,
thank
you
very
much
yeah.
I
just
that
philip.
I
always
date
work
that
I
do
by
hammering
a
loony
into
the
building
with
dates
sticking
out,
and
I
think
the
mint
is
wondering
where
five
of
their
lunars
have
gone
to
when
they
do
their
accounting
each
year.
But
it's
a
it's
a
useful
thing
to
to,
and
that's
a
permanent
one
as
well
for
dating
further
comments
then,
and
seeing
none.
Oh
sorry
done.
Taylor.
A
C
A
D
G
B
Otherwise,
I'm
going
to
suggest
that
madam
clerk,
you
asked
mr
taylor
to
email.
His
comment
in,
I
think
you're
right
it
was
talking.
It
was
a
complimentary
comment
it
for
the
moment.
Then
it
leaves
us
with
a
quorum
and
I
think
we
can
go
ahead
if
there
are
no
further
questions
or
comments
and
look
for
a
mover
and
a
second
on
this
motion.
B
G
Through
your
mr
chair,
that
is
correct,
I'll
be
doing
the
next
one
as
well,
so
the
application
for
113
johnson
street
is
to
restore
the
northwest
and
northeast
limestone
facade,
while
also
reclading
the
rear
edition
in
a
limestone
similar
to
that
existing
at
anna
lane,
which
is
at
121
queen
street
next
slide.
Please.
G
113
johnson
street
is
located
between
baguette
and
wellington
street
abuts,
the
greek
orthodox
church
to
the
west
and
is
across
the
street
from
the
kingston
frontenac
public
library.
This
property
is
an
example
of
those
individually
designated
properties
located
just
outside
of
the
old
sydney
heritage
conservation
district
next
slide.
Please
113
johnson
street
has
a
unique
built
form.
G
G
G
So
there
are
two
major
parts
of
this
application.
The
first
is
the
repair
of
the
northwest
northeast
masonry
work,
which
is
shown
in
this
slide
here
and
number
two
is
the
recladding
of
the
rear,
edition
and
limestone
which
we'll
be
addressing
in
the
next
slide.
So
the
repair
of
the
limestone,
the
repair
of
the
limestone,
conforms
the
city's
masonry
policy
as
the
cement
cemented
us.
Oh
apologize
for
that.
G
Basically,
the
cement
use
in
the
border
will
be
removed
and
replaced
with
heritage,
mortar
and
the
limited
and
careful
remover
removal
of
masonry
units
as
necessary
will
be
replaced
with
rear
review
contractor
limestone,
which
is
a
local
quarry
to
match
the
existing
masonry
profile.
The
restoration
will
prevent
water
penetration
and
ensure
the
chimney
structural
integrity,
which
is
currently
in
question,
as
the
northwestern
facade
is
one
of
the
most
visible
walls.
This
macerating
restoration
will
have
a
positive
impact
on
the
heritage.
Appreciation
of
the
property
next
slide,
please.
G
G
So
in
this
slide
over
here,
the
one
on
the
left
here
shows
the
property
in
question
in
the
rear
wood
cloud
edition
and
the
with
the
green
arrow.
It
shows
the
damage.
That's
on
that
there
showing
evidence
of
water
infiltration
and
to
the
right
shows
two
pictures
of
anna
lane
and
the
bottom
picture
shows
the
coursing.
That
would
be
a
close-up
of
coursing
that
would
be
proposed
for
this
area.
G
So,
in
this
case,
when
reviewing
the
standard
guidelines,
the
project
addresses
water
infiltration
issues
with
a
more
permanent
solution
has
compatible
limestone
materials
and
importantly,
will
maintain
the
existing
rear
edition
exterior
form
with
its
inset
sides,
to
clearly
continue
to
indicate
that
the
rear
edition
was
a
later
expansion
of
this
building.
However,
using
an
identical
material
from
the
same
or
a
similar
source
on
this
rear
edition
can
blur
the
distinction
between
the
original
and
newly
proposed
limestone.
G
This
concern,
however,
is
mitigated
through
the
proposed
limestone
veneer,
characterized
by
semi-rough
limestone
units
in
similar
sizes,
with
the
more
for
uniform
coursing
than
the
limestone
courses
of
the
rear
building.
As
you
can
see
to
the
two
pictures
of
the
right,
this
would
be
the
coursing
that
is
proposed
for
that
rear
addition,
and
that
would
be
replacing
the
wood
cladding
on
that
rear
edition
shown
to
the
left.
G
G
So
beyond
those
building
considerations,
the
property
location
in
its
relationship
to
the
surrounding
properties
further
mitigates
potential
heritage
impacts
of
this
cladding
in
the
rear.
The
rear
edition
is
challenging
to
see
from
the
public
realm
and
does
not
draw
significant
attention
for
several
reasons.
The
addition
is
set
back,
approximately
15
meters
from
johnson
street
on
private
property.
G
It
is
nearly
invisible
when
moving
along
johnson
street
towards
wellington
street,
which
is
the
most
common
way
to
experience
this
property
or
when
viewing
the
rear
of
the
property
from
the
central
post
office,
as
both
locations
have
iv
enveloped
fences
that
hides
the
rear
edition
from
public
view.
Additionally,
this
portion
of
johnson
street
is
dominated
by
both
abundant
churches
and
the
central
branch
of
the
kingston
frontenac
library,
all
of
which
draws
significant
detention.
G
Overall,
the
veneer
change
from
wood
to
limestone
and
the
rear
edition
should
have
limited
eligibility
impacts,
while
also
addressing
water
infiltration
and
longevity
concerns
for
the
property
next
slide.
Please
here's
the
first
half
of
this
recommendation
here
next
slide.
Please
importantly,
the
owner
is
required
to
include
the
year
of
installation
on
the
mason
or
one
of
the
masonry
units
and
all
masonry
work
is
required
to
follow
the
city's
masonry
policy.
Thank
you
very
much.
Everyone.
If
you
have
questions
I'd,
be
more
than
willing
to
help
answer.
B
D
D
I
mean
certainly
there's
no
significant
concerns,
but
I
noticed
that
all
of
the
committee
members
comments
really
say
that
it
would
really
be
better
simply
to
repair
the
wood
cladding
and
repaint
it
and
that
that
would
deal
with
the
problem
that
the
planner
mentioned,
that
we
don't
want
this
new
work
competing
with
the
with
the
heritage
structure
and
also,
I
think
you
know
this
committee
is
often
accused
of
forcing
applicants
to
do
expensive
things.
We're
trying
to
save
you
money
just
repair
and
repaint,
and
I
think
the
outcome
would
be
fine.
B
Oh,
thank
you
very
much.
No,
it
is
certainly
a
reversal
of
what
usually
happens.
Other
thoughts
comments
on
this
and
seeing
none.
I
will
call
the
question
those
in
favor
of
the
motion
on
113
johnson
and
it
is
unamended,
those
in
favor.
Those
opposed
thank
you
janine
and
that
carries
then,
and
thank
you
philip
for
that
one
and
60
rideau
street.
G
Well,
again,
everyone
how
how
long
it's
been.
Who
are
you,
mr
chair?
So
this
is
an
app
alteration
proposal
for
60
rito
street,
which
is
municipally
known
as
part
of
the
kingstown
school
next
slide.
Please
so
60
rito
street
is
located
on
the
western
side
of
rideau
street
between
bay
and
ordnance
street
is
approximately
80
meters
northeast
of
arturbee
park,
and
this
property
has
multiple
civic
addresses,
but
only
the
portions
of
the
property
addressed
us
64
and
66
rio
street
have
heritage
value.
G
So
an
important
distinction
here
is
that
the
ontario
heritage
act
doesn't
exceed
entire
property,
not
specific
buildings
or
addresses
on
a
property,
so
any
property
alterations
that
could
impact
the
heritage.
Value
of
the
entire
property
needs
to
be
assessed,
since
the
proposed
alterations
could
have
a
negative
impact
on
the
heritage
portions
of
the
property
by
maybe
drawing
unnecessary
attention,
etc.
An
assessment
of
these
potential
impacts
is
necessary
prior
to
determining
approval
next
slide.
G
So
the
alterations
to
this
property
are
limited
to
the
modern
facades
modern
facades
shown
in
these
pictures.
So
that's
the
south
facing
facade
to
the
left
and
that's
the
eastern
facing
facade
to
the
right
next
slide.
Please,
the
designated
property
has
the
following:
entry
related
to
its
architectural
significance,
built
as
a
school
in
1868
the
plans
by
john
power,
with
an
1877
edition
and
in
spite
of
modern
stone
windows.
G
The
broad
gable
front
of
this
limestone
building
with
an
arched
doorway,
topped
by
three
round
arched
windows
and
bracketed
eaves
is
a
significant
part
of
this
early.
Streetscape
importantly,
the
two
pictures
you
saw
before
have
none
of
these
features,
because
those
are
not
the
parts
that
are
identified
in
the
designation
bylaw
next
slide.
G
E
G
And
door
proposed
for
the
eastern
street-facing
facade
are
not
anticipated
to
have
any
negative
impacts
during
or
after
installation,
due
to
their
distance
from
64
and
66
rito
street.
The
new
windows
proposed
on
the
southern
facade
will
not
be
visible
from
rio
street
and
are
also
not
anticipated
to
have
negative
impacts.
Despite
the
seemingly
obvious
conclusion
of
no
negative
heritage
impacts,
it's
important
to
review
these
alterations
as
the
entire
property
is
designated
and
significant
changes
could
impact
overall
heritage
value.
G
G
I
just
wanted
to
draw
committee's
attention
to
that.
One
of
these
conditions
here,
which
is
that
staff
will
be
consulted
on
the
new
door
and
window
trim
detailing
trim
and
detailing
prior
to
installation
to
confirm
the
visual
prominence
of
the
two
main
heritage
buildings
on
the
property.
Thank
you
very
much
everyone.
If
anyone
has
any
questions
more
than
happy
to
help
assist.
B
You'll
especially
find
this
difficulty
when
we
go
out
into
a
rural
area
and
a
whole
property
is
designated
simply
to
protect
the
farmhouse
and
when
the
poor
farmer
comes
and
he
wants
to
change
the
door
on
the
barn,
he
has
to
go
through
a
whole
pile
of
things,
because
it's
the
property.
So
in
this
case,
as
clearly
stated,
this
is
not
an
historic
part
of
the
building,
but
it
is
part
of
a
designated
property.
So
questions
comments.
Please.
B
B
I
didn't
mean
to
say
anything:
okay,
okay,
that's
fine!
I
I
think
you
do
wonders
working
on
a
phone.
I
wouldn't
even
begin
to
do
that,
so
not
a
problem.
So
looking
then
at
my
committee
members,
no
no
questions
so
we'll
go
on
then
looking
for
a
mover
and
a
second
for
the
motion
as
printed
moved
by
councillor,
doherty
and
seconded
by
paul
banfield.
Thank
you
very
much
any
further
discussion
from
committee
members
and
seeing
those
movements,
if
you
could
raise
your
hand
or
say
yes,
please,
for
those
in
favor.
B
I
J
B
I
I
I
It
is,
it
has
a
prominent
location
within
the
district
being
one
of
the
first
properties
seen
as
you
enter
from
highway
15.
next
slide.
Please
412
wellington
is
a
one
and
a
half
story
vernacular
building
that
was
constructed
in
1860
on
the
northeastern
intersection
of
james
and
george
streets,
originally
before
being
moved
to
412
wellington
street
in
the
late
1930s,
with
the
rear
summer,
kitchen
addition
being
built
shortly
afterwards
and
an
ancillary
tool
room
as
well
as
a
mudroom
rear
editions
were
built
in
the
1960s
next
slide.
I
Please,
the
property
was
designated
under
part
5
of
the
ontario
heritage
act
as
part
of
the
village
of
berryfield
heritage
conservation
district.
The
property
is
designated
as
heritage
within
the
district
due
to
the
features
listed
below
relevant
to
this
proposal.
Notedly.
That
is
a
one
and
a
half
story
structure
with
near
horizontal
wooden
ship,
lap,
siding
and
the
property's
orientation
to
wellington
street.
I
So
before
I
get
into
the
alterations,
I
would
like
to
direct
your
attention
if
you,
if
you
are
on
the
call,
the
video
call
this
day,
the
left
half
of
the
slide
here,
just
the
arrows,
directing
kind
of
pointing
to
the
ancillary
tool
room
summer,
kitchen
and
ancillary
mudroom
structures.
I
will
be
tossing
at
these
terms
a
lot
in
the
next
couple
minutes.
So
just
please
be
aware
of
which
structures
I
am
referring
to
so
alterations
in
the
current
application.
I
Consist
of
works
done
to
both
the
main
structure
and
the
rear
editions.
Please
note
that
all
the
alterations
to
the
main
structure
are
on
the
rear
elevation
of
the
building
and
are
well
out
of
public
view.
The
alterations
to
the
main
structure
include
the
removal
of
a
second
story
window
above
the
gable
of
the
summer.
Kitchen
staff
consider
this
window
to
be
minor
in
nature,
nextly
the
addition
of
two
skylights
that
will
match
the
existing
one
that
is
currently
on
the
southern
gable
of
the
main
structure's
roof.
I
The
two
additional
skylights
will
create
symmetry
on
that
rear
gable
and,
lastly,
for
the
main
structure.
The
applicant
also
wishes
to
repair
when
possible
or
replace
when
necessary,
the
horizontal
wooden
siding
on
the
rear
of
the
main
structure
with
like
for
like
material
as
sections
of
it
are
currently
rotting
or
deteriorating.
I
Additionally,
a
foundation
will
be
added
to
the
ancillary
mud
room
to
match
the
structural
height
of
the
summer
kitchen.
Both
foundations
will
be
made
with
poor,
concrete
or
concrete
block.
The
additions
will
be
clad
in
tan
stucco,
rather
than
blue
shiplap.
Siding
stucco
is
noted
to
be
a
permissible
gliding
material
within
the
very
field
district.
This
will
also
create
a
more
visible
distinction
between
the
primary
heritage
structure
and
the
later
rear
editions,
as
currently
they
are
all
in
these.
In
the
wooden
ship
lab
siding.
I
I
I
They
keep
the
same
footprint
with
the
slight
exception
of
the
construction
of
that
wooden
deck
and
remain
very
limited
to
public
view
from
the
streetscape
next
slide.
Please
now
moving
on
to
three
parts
recommendations,
we
are
recommending
that
the
following
alterations
to
the
rear
elevation
of
the
heritage
structure
and
the
renovations
to
the
later
rear
editions
listed
below
be
approved.
Now
these
are
all
just
discussed
individually,
so
I
will
not
go
into
each
alteration
so
next
slide
please.
I
I
B
B
B
So
it's
a
motion
that
cannot
be
altered
at
all,
looking
for
a
mover
and
a
second
as
printed
a
recommendation
with
eight
clauses
and
five
conditions
to
it,
move
out,
please
by
don
taylor
and
seconded
by
paul
benfield.
Thank
you
very
much
any
last
moment
thoughts
on
this
and,
if
not,
then
I
will
call
the
question
those
in
favor.
If
you
can
raise
your
hand
or
thank
you,
janine
those
opposed,
and
that
then,
is
carried.
Thank
you
aiden.
For
that
we're
really
not
as
awful
as
we
look.
Are
we
and
16
drummond
street?
G
B
J
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
The
proposal
at
16
drummond
street
is
to
achieve
an
approval
for
new
solar
panels
on
the
roof
of
the
second
story
of
the
main
house,
and
one
story.
Addition
along
with
the
carport
next
slide.
Please
16,
drummond
street
is
located
mid
block
between
wellington
and
regent
streets
and
is
approximately
50
meters
north
of
frontenac
county
schools,
museum
in
the
heart
of
the
village
of
berryfield
next
slide.
Please.
D
G
G
The
designated
property
has
the
following
most
relevant
attributes
related
to
this
application,
which
are
highlighted
on
this
slide.
It
is
an
understated
vernacular
building
representative
of
early
20th
century
construction
in
berryfield
village.
It
has
a
rectangular
front
inside
gable
plan.
It
has
a
close
set
back
to
the
street
and
is
origin
and
is
oriented
towards
drummond
street
next
slide.
G
So,
after
significant
internal
and
external
discussion,
the
applicant
has
proposed
two
solar
panel
configurations
and
both
include
11
solar
panels
on
the
southern
pitch
of
the
main
two
story:
roof.
You
can
see
this
in
red
circled
on
the
slide
above,
and
you
can
see
the
panels
away
from
view
circled
in
purple
I'll
reference
both
of
these
colors.
G
In
just
a
moment,
the
hcd
plan
has
specific
policies
regarding
the
location
of
solar
panels
that
apply
throughout
the
district,
namely
that
solar
panels
shall
be
located
in
areas
not
in
view
of
the
street
and
shall
not
result
in
damage
to
the
heritage
fabric
or
value
further,
if
installed
on,
building
roofs.
Solar
panels
should
be
quote
in
the
same
plane
and
quote
as
the
roof
as
such.
Only
those
panels
on
the
rear
of
the
one
story,
edition
and
car
park
or
carport
are
being
recommended
by
staff,
as
they
are
away
from
view.
G
Please
see
the
right
hand
picture
on
the
slide
in
purple
for
further
clarity.
In
essence,
the
plan
is
clear
that
only
those
solar
panels
out
of
view
are
eligible
for
staff
support,
while
also
acknowledging
the
prevailing
sediment
during
the
plant's
completion
in
2016.
That
solar
panels
do
create
a
visual
disruption.
G
However,
the
applicant
is
clear
that
the
southern
pitch
of
the
second
story,
which
is
shown
in
red,
provides
the
majority
of
the
capturable
energy
and
not
placing
panels
on
this
pitch
would
impact
the
project's
financial
viability
further.
The
applicant
seeks
to
minimize
other
heritage
impacts
by
using
intellectual
conduit
to
reduce
the
visual
impact
of
wiring,
using
a
black
on
black
color
for
the
solar
panels
to
avoid
color
clashing
and
plans
to
mount
the
panels
flush
with
the
roof
to
minimize
visual
intrusion.
G
Excuse
me,
the
applicant
has
also
submitted
a
neighborhood
survey,
which
notes
that
approximately
34
property
owners
have
no
concerns
with
solar
panels
in
their
area
in
principle
and
show
a
slight
preference
towards
configuration
2..
This
is
the
survey
that
was
mentioned
earlier
by
our
by
by
elizabeth,
that
was
submitted
closer
to
the
actual
meeting
and
is
available
as
an
addendum
next
slide.
Please.
G
In
these
slides,
we
can
see
the
roof
areas
where
staff
can
support
solar
panel.
Installation
of
note
the
tree
behind
the
carport,
which
is
the
picture
on
the
right,
will
need
to
be
trimmed
back
and
maintained
on
a
continual
basis
to
allow
for
adequate
lighting
to
be
absorbed
on
the
roof
of
the
carport.
G
When
considering
alternative
energy
solutions
to
support
this
project,
it
became
clear
that
there
are
trade-offs
to
avoid
when
adding
solar
panels
on
the
there
are
trade-offs
to
avoid
adding
solar
panels
on
the
southern
pitch
of
the
second
story:
roof
that
are
not
feasible
for
the
applicant.
In
short,
their
proposed
solar
panels
and
panel
configuration
would
cost
five
times
less
than
the
more
visually
subtle
shoulder
shingles,
which
is
an
option
but
is
very
expensive.
G
A
backyard
array
would
significantly
impact
their
backyard
enjoyment
and
require
wiring
to
be
troughed
to
utility
meters
on
the
main
house
and
placing
panels
on
the
backyard
shed
would
require
re-shingling
to
accommodate
the
panels
and
would
also
require
wire
troughing
and
the
existing
rear
yard
edition
skylights
limit
installation
space
all
of
these
parts.
All
of
these
areas.
That
would
cause
further
stress
to
the
applicant
are
included
in
the
exhibits
and
the
report
showing
each
part
that
was
mentioned
here
for
a
better
visual
representation.
G
This
built
the
natural
environment
allows
this
narrow
street
to
feel
like
it
has
a
continual
street
wall
which
draws
further
attention
to
the
sky
and
undeveloped
vistas,
while
having
the
buildings
fade
into
the
background.
This
view
emphasizes
the
existing
roofs
that
are
relatively
modest
in
appearance
and
or
are
obscured
by
trees,
and
this
reduces
the
visual
tension
when
transitioning
from
the
built
to
the
natural.
G
When
considering
the
visual
impact
of
these
solar
panels,
it
is
clear
that
there
will
be
a
negative
impact
to
the
built
in
natural
transition
as
new
black
solar
panels
on
a
brown
roof
would
draw
attention,
even
if
the
roof
is
mostly
obscured
by
the
neighborhood
buildings
and
has
a
modest
pitch
when
looking
north
towards
the
property,
less
than
half
of
the
proposed
solar
panels
would
be
visible,
even
when
zoomed
in.
So.
G
Roof
is
only
fully
visible
when
looking
north
at
approximately
20
meters,
away
from
the
property,
despite
the
roof
of
16
drama
street,
not
being
a
key
area
attribute
and
the
solar
panels
only
being
visible
when
20
meters
away
only
fully
visible,
sorry,
120
meters
away.
There
are
heritage
impacts
as
heritage
professionals.
Staff
are
tasked
evaluating
the
impact
of
a
project
on
heritage,
attributes
of
the
building
district,
cultural
landscapes,
as
well
as
evaluating
policy
conforming
despite
the
potential
limited
impacts
on
the
subject,
property
and
the
surrounding
views
from
slash
near
the
property.
G
Next
slide,
please,
I
wanted
to
further
clarify
that
this
recommendation
only
is
only
for
the
approval
of
the
solar
panels
proposed
in
locations
that
are
permitted
in
the
berryfield
heritage
conservation
district
plan
and
with
that
everyone.
Thank
you
very
much
and
if
you
have
questions
be
more
than
willing
to
help
help
address
them.
For
you.
B
C
Thank
you
we'd
like
to
thank
you
for
your
time
and
your
consideration,
and
we
certainly
understand
the
constraints
of
your
mandate.
This
is
the
third
historical
property
we've
lived
in
and
we
have
donated
or
spent
considerable
personal
resources
into
making
the
structural
integrity
stand
the
taste
test
of
time
and
to
improve
the
historical
appearance
of
the
property.
C
C
B
L
Well,
I
can't
say
it
as
well
as
this
is
son.
She
said
it
extremely
well
that
we
need
to
take
climate
change
serious
for,
like
it's
so
critical,
like
we're
having
one
climate
disaster
after
another.
If
we
like
it's,
it's
it's
shame
and
I
get
frustrated
when
environmental
issues
and
climate
change
gets
pitted
against
business
and
profit
or
in
this
case
with
heritage.
So
it's
it's
disappointing
that
we're
have
to
make
this
decision.
L
L
We
have
solar
panels
on
the
roof,
they're
flush
to
the
roof,
they're
they're,
not
they're,
not
nice,
or
I
think,
if
we,
if
we
force
the
solar
panels
to
the
back,
then
the
tree
is
probably
going
to
get
trimmed
all
the
time
if
not
cut
down.
I
think
we
have
to
do
the
responsible
thing
and
in
this
case
not
in
this
case,
actually
bend
the
rules
and
we
need
to
do
the
right
thing
for
the
environment.
It's
the
kind
of
decision
that
we
would
regret
later,
like
I
can't
stress
it
anymore.
L
H
H
G
G
H
I
think
that
that's
appropriate
there,
that's
what
I'm
thinking
and
I
would
love
to
hear
the
others
there.
I
think
it's
a
you
know.
I
applaud
the
applicant.
I
think
we
need
to.
We
all
understand
the
urgency
of
our
times,
but
one
of
the
things
you
guys
taught
me
is
that
you,
since
I've
been
on
this
committee,
is
that
what
if
everyone
did
it
in
the
subdivision
and
that's
an
issue
for
me,
and
so
if
everyone
did
it,
then
I'm
not
sure
I'm
happy
with
it.
H
H
F
H
Answering
that
yeah
no,
I
appreciate
that.
I'm
sorry,
I
didn't
see
that,
but
that's
obviously
significant,
but
I
would
probably
you
know,
get
two
or
three
prices
on
that.
I
don't
know
I
I
don't
really
know
I
I
just
I'm
staring
at
that
wondering
if
that
could
possibly
be
true.
It's
not
in
my
realm
of
I
I
I
don't.
It
doesn't
seem
right
to
me,
but
I'm
just
saying
that
and
respectfully
I'm
just
I've
got
I
I
need
to
know
more.
So
if
that's
true,
that's
a
news
to
me.
H
K
I
appreciated
the
both
counselors
comments
and
I
would
like
to
say
that
I
really
think
that
this
is
an
issue
that
council
needs
to
deal
with,
and
I
was
trying
to
find
out
a
little
bit
more
about
other
heritage
experts
in
the
world,
and
I
noticed
that
the
city
of
london
ontario
has
developed
guidelines
for
the
installation
of
technology
on
heritage
designated
properties,
and
that
was
in
2018,
and
I
really
think
that
that's
something
that
the
city
needs
to
look
at.
So
I
would
really
applaud
the
two
counselors.
K
K
K
G
G
However,
that
medium
discussion
of
sustainable
energy
and
its
merits
and
value,
and
what
trumps?
What
is
is
likely
best
addressed
at
a
council
setting
when
multiple
priorities
can
be
discussed
in
such
detail.
At
this
stage.
My
understanding
is
that
committee
members
would
be
addressing
just
the
heritage
implications
and
their
thoughts
and
and
and
weighing
what
they
would
be.
G
Believing
is
appropriate
for
the
heritage
district
based
on
this
proposal
and
and
the
comments
that
would
be
received
would
definitely
be
reviewed
by
council,
while
they
determine
if
they
want
to
proceed
with
the
proposal
as
it's
currently
written
or
if
they
would
like
to
amend
it
accordingly,
to
weigh
other
priorities
that
are
beyond
the
ones
that
we
are
considering
here
today,
namely
heritage.
So
with
that
I'll
leave
it
there,
but
more
than
willing
to
answer
any
follow-up
questions.
D
D
Be
guided
certainly
by
the
district
guidelines
to
me,
the
there's,
a
problem
in
that
there
are
questions
about
technology.
There
are
questions
about
costs.
There
are
questions
about
the
appearance
of
some
solar
panels
as
opposed
to
solar
shingles,
and
so
it
could
be
that
there
are
sort
of
ways
of
satisfying
sort
of
both
parties
in
the
future.
If
not
now,
so
I
I
I
don't
know
exactly
well,
I
don't
think
this
committee
can
do
any
more
than
make
these
kinds
of
comments
and
council
has
to
deal
with
this.
D
B
D
J
You,
mr
chair,
this
may
be
a
night
well,
I
know
I'm
sure
it's
a
naive
question
because
I
I
don't
know
enough
about
solar
panels,
but
it
it
seems
if
you
right
now,
some
of
it
seems
to
be
hinging
on
the
fact
that
the
the
panels
in
dispute,
if
I
can
use
that
word
that
stick
out
on
through
the
sight
line,
could
we
remove
those,
and,
if
so,
would
that
I
mean?
Could
it
then
be
instead
of
what
we
talked
about
16?
Could
it
be
14
or
12
and
and
how?
J
G
So
I'll
begin
and
I'll
definitely
let
mr
and
mrs,
like
blake
third,
said
I
apologize
for
that
address
further
as
needed.
My
understanding
is
that
there
is
different
cost
considerations
as
well
and
just
to
clarify
that
I'll
pass
it
on
the
applicant
is
that
so
25
or
27
are
proposed
configuration
one
and
two
staff
are
putting
forward
the
16
that
are
not
in
view
on
the
carport
and
garage
and
the
11
on
the
roof
that
would
be
visible
from
the
road
are
the
ones
in
dispute.
F
The
panels
on
the
on
the
back
of
the
the
carport
and
the
non-street
facing
part
of
the
edition
would
produce,
in
total,
roughly
20
to
30
percent,
so
any
proposal
that
goes
forward
that
doesn't
include
panels
the
panels
on
the
on
the
south
facing
roof
or
the
two-story
structure
just
is
not
is
not
a
feasible
proposition.
It
just
does
not
return
enough
energy
to
make
it
worthwhile,
and
this
again
is
because
of
the
orientation
of
the
panels
and
the
way
the
sunlight
strikes
it.
As
I
understand
it.
F
I
understand
that
that
this
is
a
question
that
has
to
go
to
city
council,
and
I
would
I
would
respectfully
suggest
that
the
committee
should
make
it
clear
to
city
council
that
the
recommendation
going
forward
is
one
way
that
city
council
can
go
and
the
proposals
that
we
have
put
forward
are
the
other
way.
The
city
council
can
go
because,
as
it
stands
now,
the
recommendation
to
city
council
is
only
for
part
of
the
total
energy
production.
That's
possible
on
this
property.
B
B
Well,
thank
you.
No,
I
I've
been
very
interested
in,
firstly,
staffs
motion,
recommendation
and
and
the
discussion
this
is
a
very,
very
difficult
topic.
We've
dealt
with
it
before
at
this
committee
we
have
approved
some
energy
saving
measures.
However,
I
think
at
some
point
you
have
to,
as
a
number
of
you
have
said,
go
back
to
council,
because
I
do
not
believe
that
we
can
approve
things
which
go
against
the
the
conservation
plan.
B
I
was
also
fascinated
by
one
of
the
pictures-
and
this
was
mentioned
by
one
of
the
our
members-
comments,
the
horrible
massive
hydro
and
and
phone
lines
which
are
already
on
on
the
street,
and
I
know
paul
benfield
will
be
laughing
at
this
because
he
lives
on
the
street
where
everything
was
buried
and
boy.
What
a
difference.
It
makes
it's
too
bad
that
we
can't
just
bury
everything
in
barefield.
B
The
other
concern
I
had
is
that
people
have
been
saying
well
when
this
goes
to
council.
They
will
see
the
comments.
They
will
do
the
comments.
I'm
not
sure
that
those
comments,
our
comments
will
go
to
council
and
I
would
strongly
ask
councillors
to
often
counsel
the
healthy
to
follow
up
with
their
comments
that
they
will
do
something,
and
quite
what
that
something
is
I'm
not
sure
whether
it
means
we're
looking
at
the
plan,
whether
it
means
we
looking
at
the
conservation,
energy
approach
by
the
city.
B
But
at
least
you
see
a
problem
here
and
it's
not
the
last
time
that
it's
going
to
appear.
Finally,
I'd
commend
staff
for
amending
the
request
down
to
the
16
panels,
which
they
feel
are
suitable,
and
I
am
sorry
that
that
will
not
be
what
the
would
not
be
what
the
applicant
wants.
If
this,
if
this
is
passed,
it's
a
tough
one,
and
I
hope
that
this
is
not
the
last
that
we
speak
about
things
which
have
come
about
really
after
the
conservation
districts
have
been
planned
have
been
written.
L
Just
had
to
get
that
mute
button
to
work,
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
I
know
I
made
my
view
clear
at
the
beginning,
but
every
time
you
turn
the
news
on
right
now:
you're
seeing
weather
extremes
and
the
the
new
normal
are
unpredictable
extremes,
and
these
these
rather
extreme
events,
they
actually
destroy
our
houses,
and
there
was
a
comment
that
we
don't
want
to
see
solar
panels
on
every
house.
I
hope
that
we
move
into
a
future
where
every
house
has
solar.
D
L
That's
the
only
way
we
can
avoid
the
kind
of
disastrous
future
our
children
will
have.
I
just
want
to
stress
that,
so
I
definitely
can
support
what's
in
front
of
us,
but
I
am
committed
to
bring
something
to
council
and
make
sure
we
follow
up,
because
I
agree
with
the
committee's
comments
that
this
is
a
larger
issue.
It's
above
all
of
our
pay
grade
on
this
committee,
so
I'll
I
I'm
committed
to
bring
into
counseling.
F
Yes,
in
response
to
your
two
points
in
fact,
counselor
beam:
we
have
been
in
touch
with
right
from
the
very
start
of
of
our
putting
this
proposal
forward,
so
our
city,
we
have
been
in
touch
with
our
city
councilor
and
he's
been
very
supportive
and
very
helpful
to
us
and
in
suggesting
how
we
should
put
this
forward
to
the
committee
and
to
city
council.
So,
yes,
first,
council,
councilor
beam
has
been
fully
informed
and
advised
all
the
documents
that
we
have
sent
forward.
F
F
We
have
been
walking
around
the
village
with
our
dog
and
we
have
been
speaking
to
every
villager
that
we
speak
with,
that
we
pass
by
showing
them
the
pictures
of
the
proposals
that
we
have
put
forward
and
the
results
of
that
and
we've
asked
those
those
people
to
to
indicate
their
views
on
on
on
our
proposals
specifically
and
so
far,
we've
managed
to
speak
to
a
total
of
34
people.
Sorry
36
people,
34
people
have
all
indicated
they.
F
They
support
the
putting
of
solar
panels,
including
those
that
are
which,
which
are
visible
from
the
street.
Only
two
have
not
wanted
to
either
express
an
opinion
or
put
their
names
to
a
document,
and
that
is
the
document
that
we
have
we
have
put
before
the
committee
with
regard
to
the
the
the
the
barry
filled
group.
It
is
a
it
is
a
limited
group.
F
H
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chair
yeah.
Thank
you
for
everyone's
comments
there.
Just
to
just
to
make
be
clear
of
my
comments
that
counselor
doherty
responded
to.
I
certainly
am
in
support
of
all
homes
having
solar
panels,
and
I
think
I've
been
speaking
to
that
for
over
almost
20
years.
So,
but
this
is
a
situation.
I
think
that
does
require
some
sensitivity
and
I
really
applaud
the
applicant
for
the
work
being
done.
Excellent
communication
with
the
neighborhood.
H
So
I
I
don't
want
to
pass.
Something
that
is
is
is
not
going
to
be
maximized.
Okay,
so
that
is
my
intention
to
to
try
to
at
least
put
my
two
cents
worth
it.
If
I
can,
because
not
everybody
understands
that
so,
but
I
do
believe
that
if
we
pass
this
tonight,
mr
chair,
we
can
we
as
council,
have
the
privilege
and
the
responsibility
to
to
make
it
what
we
want
at
council.
What
we
see
best
through
through
through
can
council
make-
maybe
can
council
make
an
amendment
to
this.
B
M
M
So
council
does
retain
that
authority
and
council
retains
the
authority
to
direct
an
approval.
That
is
contrary
or
you
know,
in
conflict.
That's
a
heavy
word,
but
with
an
hcd
plan,
council
can
additionally
direct
staff
to
explore
revisions
to
plans
or
alternate
studies.
You
know
appreciating
what
jane
was
sharing
earlier
about
the
work
that
was
done
in
london,
which
wouldn't
be
dissimilar
to
an
approach
we
have
already
in
place
with
a
windows
policy.
Thank
you.
B
M
The
proposal,
if
approved
by
council
for
the
recommendation
that
staff
have
brought
forward,
would
allow
the
property
owners
to
move
forward
with
those
that
actually
conform
with
the
hcd
plan.
If
council,
then
additionally
directed
staff
to
consider
revisions
or
bring
forward
revisions
to
the
hcd
plan,
potentially
as
well
as
a
study
or
a
policy
on,
you
know
green
energy
initiatives
within
heritage
spaces
and
how
we
could
consider
those
that
would
take
time
to
bring
that
back
for
council's
approval.
M
I
think,
however,
that
would
set
potentially
a
bit
of
a
it
would
create
a
gap
if
one
will,
in
our
understanding
of
council's
direction
on
green
energy
initiatives
in
heritage
spaces,
which
would
then
allow
the
property
owners
to
bring
back
an
additional
permit
request,
which
could
then
re-table
the
consideration
of
these.
These
heritage
plans.
Sorry
these
solar
panels
and
potentially
consider
perhaps
as
council
roosterhoff,
has
suggested
you
know,
reevaluate
the
the
options
of
shingles
and
and
other
green
energy
options
on
the
property.
B
F
The
I
the
company
that
we
have
doing
I-
I
specifically
asked
the
company
that
we
have
proposed
that
has
made
the
proposal
to
us
which,
by
the
way,
is
solarx
and
they're
rated
as
the
best
solar
installation
company
in
the
province.
As
I
understand
it,
I
have
asked
them
what,
assuming
that
council
were
to
be
able
to
come
to
an
approval
of
the
total
proposal
when
they
might
be
able
to
begin
work
and
get
it
completed.
F
So
if
the
proposal,
if
the
recommendations
from
the
committee
go
forward
to
council
as
they
are,
that
would
mean
that
we
could
only
get
part
of
that
done.
It
would,
and
you
try
to
come
back
and
do
the
balance
of
their
proposal
at
another
time
would
virtually
double
the
cost
because
they
have
the
people
coming
and
then
going
and
then
coming
and
then
going.
F
If
we
had
our
brothers
we
would.
We
would
prefer
to
see
the
committee
put
forward
our
specific
proposal
to
counsel
a
for
approval
or
disapproval
and
b
put
forward
the
the
committee's
recommendations
as
an
alternative.
That
would
then
give
council
the
opportunity
to
go
forward
with
the
proposal
that
we
have
made
to
the
committee,
and
so,
if
council
comes
to
a
decision
at
its
september,
the
sixth
meeting,
we
could
then
proceed
with
the
company
and
arrange
for
installation
of
the
whole
project,
or
else
we.
H
H
Our
rules,
that's
right,
okay,
so
what
he's
asking
is
still
possible
at
the
council
level?
So
that's
what
I
want
to
understand.
I'm
prepared
to
pass
this
because
I
want
the
opportunity
to
work
with
council
and
my
colleagues
and
the
counselor
to
have
something
like
this
ready,
but
we
we
will
have
to
spend
a
little
bit
of
time
on
that.
So
to
me,
the
timeline
that
you
have
is
is
is
is
is
well
that's
in
our
favor.
Actually
that
gives
us
a
little
bit
of
time
and
that's
what
we'll
need.
M
Thank
you
for
you.
I
just
did
want
to
confirm,
for
the
committee's
benefit
that
that
is
correct.
Committee
cannot
alter
the
recommendation.
However,
council
retains
the
authority
to
do
so,
should
they
so
desire,
so
they
could
draft
an
alternate
recommendation
to
put
on
the
floor
before
council
for
discussion.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
B
L
B
That's
a
very
interesting
comment.
You
know-
and
normally
I
would
say
yes,
but
in
light
of
the
discussion
that
you
have
heard
today,
I
suspect
that
if
this
is
approved,
it's
approved
as
being
as
far
as
we
can
go
under
the
present
heritage
district
plan,
but
I
think
you've
heard
most
people
say
they'd
like
to
go
further.
L
Can
we
just
have
ms
campbell
perhaps
respond
to
my
my
gut
instinct-
is
that
to
actually
vote
this
down
to
make
sure
that
we
do
have
a
wholesome
discussion,
even
though
I
am
going
to
bring
it
to
council,
but
council
meetings
go
fast
and
quick
and
I,
I
suspect
the
next
council
meeting
will
have
a
lot
on
the
agenda.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
this
right.
M
M
If
I
make
counselor
dory
it's
hard
for
me
to
advise
all
committee
members
on
how
to
to
vote
in
this
circumstance
in
a
normal
situation
to
vote
against
as
a
non-support
of
a
part,
five
recommendation
would
normally
flag
to
counsel.
That
committee
had
some
concern
regarding
the
staff's
recommendation.
In
that
part,
five
I
think
what's
complicated
here
is
that
to
vote
this
down
would
flag
to
council
that
there's
something
a
miss
word
of
concern
in
staff's
recommendation
of
the
hcd
guidelines.
M
My
suggestion,
given
what
I'm
hearing
from
yourself,
counselor
dougherty
as
well
as
counselor
oosterhoff,
would
be
that
the
committee
vote
to
its
mandate,
which
is
to
support
the
hcd
plan
and
that
counselors
confirm
and
commit,
as
I've
heard
you
do
here,
to
raising
and
separating
this
matter
at
council
and
that
the
applicants
could
be
present.
It's
possible
that
the
chair
could
issue
some
correspondence
to
council
to
further
support
the
considerations
raised
by
committee
today.
M
That's
what
I
think
would
most
align
with
the
mandate
of
this
committee
and
the
way
your
votes
translate
to
messaging
to
council,
and
in
this
case
I
think,
supporting
the
recommendation
is
to
the
mandate
of
committee
having
counselors
champion
this
discussion
further
at
council
also
aligns
with
the
comments
that
were
received
from
committee
members
about
this
matter
needing
to
be
considered
at
council.
That's
my
recommendation
again.
This
is
a
very
unusual
circumstance.
Yeah.
M
L
Power,
I
just
want
to
just
then
say,
ask
and
suggest
that
counselors
and
I
write
a
motion
for
the
next
meeting,
because
I'd
like
to
hear
maybe
for
staff
to
report
back
to
council
and
then
we'll
make
sure
that
this
is
definitely
will
definitely
be
discussed,
because
they
learned
an
example
that
ms
perlin
brought
up
is
an
important
one.
Okay,
thanks.
B
B
B
Oh
screen
just
changed
one
two,
oh
one,
two
three,
four,
five,
six,
seven
eight
and
those
voting
against,
and
that
carries
then
so.
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you,
applicants
for
being
here
and
hearing
the
the
dilemma
to
some
extent
that
we
will
put
in
and
hearing
the
promises
the
counselors
have
made
about
what
they
will
do
when
this
goes
to
council
in
september,
the
first
council
meeting
in
september.
I
would
guess,
thank
you
indeed,
okay,
phillip,
thank
you
for
that.
Mammoth
afternoon
morning,
almost
afternoon
delegated
authority
heritage
approvals.
I
Again,
thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
through
you
so
hello,
again,
everyone.
There
is
no
presentation
for
this.
This
is
just
a
brief
information
report,
a
biannual
report
on
delegated
authority
approvals,
to
be
precise,
as
committee
is
aware,
council
has
delegated
a
number
of
minor
alterations
to
the
director
of
heritage
services,
for
approval
for
properties
that
are
designated
either
individually
or
as
part
of
a
district.
I
I
If,
for
whatever
reason
we
are
unable
to
support
an
application,
then
it
will
be
directed
to
heritage
kingston
for
consultation
and
then
to
counsel
accordingly,
delegated
authority
approvals
are
granted
in
relation
to
a
list
of
alterations
that
is
outlined
in
the
heritage.
Procedural
by-law,
which
can
be
found
in
exhibit
a
of
the
current
report
heritage
permits,
are
an
effective
tool
to
conserve
the
value
of
our
heritage
resources
as
heritage
resources
in
our
city,
and
it
is
a
public
service
that
staff
try
to
provide
to
property
owners
in
the
general
public
as
efficiently
as
possible.
I
This
is
in
line
with
the
intent
of
the
procedural
bylaw
and
allows
staff
to
move
these
minor
alterations
in
one
group
on
average.
A
permit
that
moves
through
the
delegated
authority.
Approval
process
takes
roughly
three
weeks
to
get
approved
while
applications
that
go
through
committee
and
subsequently
cancel
can
take
roughly
two
months
for
approval.
So
it
is
certainly
a
bit
of
a
time
saver
for
all
parties
involved
in
accordance
with
the
procedural
by-law
staff
are
to
report
out
the
permits
done
by
means
of
delegated
authority
on
a
bi-annual
basis.
I
D
That
is
11
sydney
where,
as
I
understand
it-
and
this
is
from
a
brief
look
on
dash,
a
number
of
windows
on
the
facade,
presumably
original
were
approved
for
replacement,
and
I
just
want
to
ensure
that
the
windows
policy,
which
says
they
should
not
be
replaced
unless
they
are
in
poor
condition,
was
followed
because
you
know
original
windows
are
very
important
part
of
our
heritage
facades.
Thank
you.
E
I
through
you,
mr
chair.
I
can
give
a
really
quick
update
on
that
one,
because
I
actually
I
worked
closely
with
alex
on
that
one
we
attended
on
site
together.
So
actually
your
presumption
that
the
windows
are
original
is
incorrect.
The
front
window
on
the
the
first
floor
is
original,
and
so
we've
been
working
with
them
to
repair
it.
However,
the
second
story
windows
were
from
the
70s,
so
what
we
approved
through
that
delegated
authority
permit
was
a
period
appropriate
replacement
for
what
was
not
a
super
appropriate
material.
D
B
G
Yep,
I
can
briefly
address
that,
so
this
is
that
pretty
prominent
corner
property
that
limestone
building
between
at
that
montreal
intersection.
Essentially,
there
was
a
crack
in
the
window
and
there
was
a
looks
like
the
mountain
bar
was
also
separating
from
the
frame,
and
so
what
we've
approved
is
effectively
a
restoration
of
that
window
period.
B
B
D
Yes,
thank
you.
Well,
I
think
committee
members
will
remember
as
kind
of
difficult
decision
we
had
a
month
ago
about
the
alterations
to
a
coach
house
on
owington
street
and
the
basically
staff
were
recommending
the
proposed
alteration,
but
the
committee
voted
unanimous
unanimously
against
it.
Now
that
came
to
council
last
week
and
council
approved
the
alteration
application
by
a
vote
of
seven
to
six,
and
this
is
some
somewhat
extraordinary.
D
I
don't
remember,
in
my
experience,
a
unanimous
recommendation
from
the
heritage
committee
being
overturned
by
council,
so
I
think
we
all
need
to
sort
of
look
at
it.
Try
to
understand
why
and
think
about
procedures,
because
this
is
clearly
not
a
good
situation
for
the
way
things
should
work,
and
so
I
just
like
to.
D
Review
what
happened,
or
as
I
saw
what
happened
and
if
you
didn't
watch
the
discussion
on
council,
it's
probably
still
available
on
youtube,
but
basically
the
question
is
well.
First
of
all,
we
should
understand
that
council
has
the
authority
to
make
the
decision
whatever
we
recommend
there's
no
question
about
that.
Nevertheless,
they
decided
to
approve
it,
and
so
the
question
is
why
well
in
the
discussion,
there
might
have
been
several
reasons.
D
D
D
D
Again
this
there
may
be
a
impression
by
some
counselors
that
they
can
trust
heritage
staff
and
not
so
sure,
about
committee
staff.
We
might
have
different
viewpoints
that
are
maybe
not
reasonable.
However,
the
important
point
is
which
was
not
brought
up
at
the
meeting
was
that
if
you
look
at
the
staff
review
of
this
application,
they
were
some
very
strong
concerns
they.
You
know,
I
can't
remember
them
in
detail
now,
but
they
were.
D
There
was
a
strong
statement
from
staff
saying
the
draw
should
not
be
forward
of
the
main
facade.
They
referred
to
the
city's
guidelines
for
residential
lots,
not
just
heritage,
but
all
right
new
residents
that
garages
should
not
project
in
front
of
the
facade
so
nevertheless,
well.
So,
if
you
look
at
those
comments
and
look
at
the
comments
from
committee
members,
they're
really
the
same
so
we're
all
on
the
same
page.
So
it's
not
a
question
of
of
of
expertise
and
judgment.
D
D
A
Mr
sheriff,
I
may
I
I
don't
mean
to
interrupt
mr
taylor.
I
just
I
want
to
know
the
limitations
of
other
business.
It
is
not
to
have
discussions
or
advance
further
matters
that
have
been
already
dealt
with
in
a
previous
meeting
or
have
been
dealt
with
at
council.
There
is
a
record
of
the
council
meeting
that
did
occur,
which
also
is
available
on
youtube.
A
If
anyone
wishes
to
review
what
did
happen
and
what
was
said,
I
do
note
that
counselor
user
hoff
has
his
hand
up
and
if
perhaps,
if
the
counselors
wish
to
respond
to
provide
their
understanding,
that
is,
would
be
up
to
the
chair
to
determine
whether
or
not
that
is
is
suited.
But
I
I
did
want
to
note
that
there
is
a
limitation
in
other
business
for
what
can
be
discussed
and
that
what
brevity
it
can
be
discussed.
B
D
Yes,
I
will-
and
I
want
to
assure
everybody
that
I'm
not
trying
to
revisit
the
decision.
The
decision
has
been
made.
What
I'm
concerned
about
are:
are
we
comfortable
with
the
procedures,
because
at
the
moment
we
have
a
review
of
procedures
and
I'm
concerned
that,
if,
if
we
don't
improve
our
procedures,
we're
going
to
have
a
situation
that
like
this,
which
is
clearly
undesirable
for
for
everybody.
D
So
let
me
try
to
conclude
rather
quickly
the
mayor
and
also
the
city
lawyer,
confirmed
that
councillors
make
the
decision
and
but
what
they
didn't
say
was
that
counselors
have
to
have
to
consult
the
heritage
committee.
At
the
meeting
there
was
input
from
the
applicant.
There
was
input
from
staff.
I'm
not
aware
that
there
is
any
input
from
the
heritage
committee.
D
Where
was
the
heritage
committee
consulted
and
when
I
looked
at
the
council
agenda
for
that
meeting
and
looked
for
the
information
package
for
73
arlington,
it
wasn't
there.
So
the
councillors
it's
possible
that
councillors
had
their
own
council
agenda,
which
did
have
the
information
package
for
73
arlington.
But
if
they
didn't,
then
they
have
no
input
from
this
committee
and
councillor
osterhoff,
who
missed
the
meeting
said
he
wanted
to
know
what
the
council,
what
the
committee
thought
about
this
application
and
heritage
staff
responded.
D
H
Mr
chair,
I
think
it's
a
bit
of
an
inappropriate
use
of
the
time
as
the
clerk
has
made
notice
there,
and
I
think
that
we
can
bring
it
up
in
another
forum,
but
certainly
not
under
this
heading.
I
actually
understand
why
mr
taylor
would
make
these
comments,
but
I
think
that
a
comment
like
that
that's
another
way
things
should
work
is
probably
inappropriate,
because
actually
it
is
the
way
things
should
work.
H
The
lens
from
which
council
views
this
is
it
is,
it
is
the
authority,
it
is
the
lens
that
ultimately,
we
are
responsible
for
and
yes,
we
had
the
information
we
had
the
input
of
the
of
the
other
counselor
on
site
and
everything
worked
as
it
should
be
it
we
should.
This
was
no
respect
to
this
committee
and
the
great
work
that
it
does.
H
I
think
that
we
we
just
had
to
make
a
decision
at
that
time
and
that
there
are
going
to
be
times
where
these
things
happen,
and
so
we
had
the
package.
We
had
the
information
we
heard
from
the
applicant,
we
heard
from
the
the
heritage
planning
and
I
think
that
we
had
a
good
view
of
it
and
a
decision
was
made.
H
I
don't
think
that
this
is
a
healthy
place
to
debate
that
I
didn't
think
it
would
happen,
and
I
think
that
we
we
can
choose
another
option,
but
that
the
right
in
the
end
council
has
the
authority
and
the
privilege
and
the
responsibility
to
to
to
to
do
exactly
what
it
did
and
thank
goodness,
because
that's
the
the
role
we
carry.
We
did
our
job
and
I
think
that
this
committee
does
a
great
job,
but
there
are
times
where
counsel
as
it's
the
mothership.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
I
would
ask
you
and
I'll
write
to
you
about
it,
where
the
best
time
to
discuss
this,
because
the
feeling
was
that
the
committee
did
its
best
job
and
in
a
teaching
situation.
We
need
to
know
where
we
went
wrong,
so
we
can
come
back
to
that
at
another
time,
anything
to
add
jennifer,
or
rather
than
prolonging.
M
M
You
know,
I
think,
if
there
is
an
opportunity
for
council
to
redirect
staff
on
how
they
would
like
to
engage
with
matters
decided
at
committee,
that
would
be
the
opportunity
for
council
to
direct
to
do
so
under
the
mandate
they've
already
provided
for
the
committee
structure
to
be
reviewed,
and
so
I
would
just
add
that
I
think
there
is
already
a
path
forward
for
that
discussion,
and
certainly
when
the
counselors
receive
that
report
as
members
of
council
they
could
raise
concerns.
If
present
then
thank
you.
B
B
Assets
working
group
seems
to
be
the
better
place
for
this:
the
ontario
heritage,
trust
and
the
community
heritage
ontario
both
send
out
newsletters
and,
I
hope,
you'd
look
at
those,
and
you
also
have
the
addendum
of
on
16th
drummond
street,
which
we
talked
about
the
next
meeting
september
21st
and
madame
clerk.
Are
we
still
looking
at
this
going
to
city
hall.
A
B
And
the
only
comment
I
would
make
and
just
get
confirmed
by
you-
is
that
if
you
stay
at
home,
then
the
powerpoint
presentations
will
only
appear
in
the
small
hollywood
squares
squares
that
we
have.
You
will
not
get
the
presentation
in
the
same
way
as
we
have
been
getting
them,
so
that
may
be
an
incentive
to
come
down
the
council
chambers
and
see
see
everything,
big
and
and
live
anyway.