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A
A
Okay,
oh
I,
popped
change.
Second
thing
that
is
the
first
next
and
I
saw
so
moved
by
Bridget
seconded
by
Jean
the
approval
of
the
agenda,
those
in
favor
of
approving
the
agenda
as
printed
and
I
think
I
see
all
hands
there.
Thank
you
very
much.
We
have
an
agenda
confirmation
of
the
minutes
of
February
the
19th.
We
have
two
Corrections
which
I
will
give
to
you.
A
Firstly,
on
page
7,
two
paragraphs
from
the
bottom
is
a
paragraph
which
starts
mr.
Taylor
stated
and
in
the
third
line
we
are
asking
that
it
reads.
He
suggested
that
a
ridge
vent
be
used
on
thee
and
then
delete
the
rest
of
that
sentence
and
make
it
read
used
on
the
addition,
which
would
be
less
visible
from
the
street
than
the
proposed
gable
vent
there.
It
probably
the
best
ways
to
send
that
out
in
writing.
At
some
point,
we've
got
that
as
as
Don's
email.
Is
that
correct
done
the
wording
I
used?
A
Item
5
item
V
one
two,
three,
four,
five,
six
seven
paragraphs
down
should
read
mr.
Taylor
stated
that
the
projecting
drip
course
DRI
P
instead
of
hip,
is
that
correct
done?
Thank
you
so,
with
those
two
Corrections
I
would
ask.
Are
there
any
other
amendments
that
you
need
to
make
to
those
minutes
and
seeing
none
I
would
ask
for
a
mover
of
those
minutes
as
amended
counselor.
Those
two
half
seconded
by
bill.
B
D
D
This
is
the
myzel
house
built
around
1877.
You
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
Jameson
it
it's
doesn't
it
under
part,
four
and
I.
In
just
last
year,
it's
a
Georgian
influenced
house
has
direct
association
with
three
prominent
former
professors
from
Queens
University,
namely,
most
notably
political
scientist,
dr.
John
myzel,
who
got
the
Companion
of
the
Order
of
Canada
1999.
D
It's
also
associated
with
dr.
Etherington
and
doctors
read.
It
is
also
so
some
of
the
heritage
attributes
of
this
property
include
the
house
itself
and
it's
Georgian
influence
its
shape
and
form
it's
low,
pitched
roof
and
the
like,
and
its
visibility
from
the
street
you'll
note
in
this
list
that
the
deep
undeveloped
rear
lot
is
not
noted
as
a
heritage
attribute.
So
that
leads
us
into
the
today's
application.
Next
slide.
D
So
these
are
just
some
of
the
current
views
from
the
public
realm.
What
is
before
this
committee
today
is
an
application
under
section
33
at
the
Heritage
Act
go
ahead.
James
next
slide
for
a
new
two-and-a-half
storey
building
to
be
erected
in
the
rear
yard.
It's
approximately
67
square
meters
with
a
gable
roof
and
is
located
directly
behind
and
in
line
with
the
myzel
house,
a
new
driveway
and
walkways
to
be
out
on
the
south
side
of
the
building.
D
That's
just
added
a
lot
and
the
new
drawing
is
to
be
clad
in
a
beige
or
buff
brick
with
a
concrete
foundation.
You
can
skip
to
next
slide,
please
behind
a
gray
steel
roof,
there's
a
small
covered,
porch
proposed
on
the
front
entrance
and
a
tree
in
the
front
yard
to
be
removed
to
accommodate
the
driveway.
However,
I
understand
the
applicant
wishes
to
build
a
new
or
erected
new
tree
in
the
front
yard.
So,
in
terms
of
our
review,
the
proposed
new
building
is
to
provide
a
secondary
dwelling
unit
for
rental
purposes.
D
The
new
dwelling
is
to
be
two
and
a
half
stories
tall.
However,
it's
to
be
lower
in
height
than
the
ridge
line
of
the
adjacent
heritage
building
in
order
to
distinguish
the
new
building
from
the
light-colored
horizontal
sided
heritage
building
without
competing
with
the
prominence
of
that
heritage.
Building
the
applicants
proposing
this
very
beige,
colored,
brick
cladding,
the
brick
will
be
provide-
will
provide
a
distinct
different
and
contrasting
separation
between
the
old
and
the
new.
Yet
is
a
common
material
in
this
area
of
Kingston.
D
Very
little
of
the
new
building
is
to
be
visible
from
the
street
to
only
a
glimpse
along
the
southeast
elevation,
but
beside
the
myzel
house
will
be
available.
Those
window
openings
on
the
South
elevation
are
to
be
regularly
placed
vertical
rectangular
windows
with
concrete
sills
and
to
be
filled
with
the
multi-pane
sash
windows
of
which
sort
of
complements
the
Heritage
character
of
the
Meisel
house
as
well
covered
porches,
I
notice
to
also
pay
tribute
to
the
sort
of
older
influence
of
the
area.
D
The
choice
to
erect
a
detached
building,
instead
of
attaching
to
the
rear
of
the
heritage
building,
allows
for
its
construction
with
no
impact
to
the
heritage
resource
itself,
which
is
the
house
in
terms
of
our
circulation.
There
were
a
number
of
technical
comments
that
were
provided
by
some
of
the
agencies,
and
I
won't
go
through
all
of
those
in
detail,
but
suffice
it
to
say
a
building
permit
is
required.
D
There
is
a
sewing
amendment
application
in
active
at
the
moment
it's
on
hold,
which
was
initially
submitted
to
permit
a
total
three
residential
units
on
the
property
and
in
an
Edition
format,
and
not
a
separate
dwelling
which
that
is
currently
on
hold.
Pending
approval
of
this
application,
we
understand
if
Heritage,
Act
and
Building
Code
approvals
are
granted,
the
athlete
will
will
draw
the
rezoning
application
and
proceed
as
as
the
plans
before
you.
D
These
plans
have
been
reviewed
against
the
requisite
zoning
regulations
and
the
art
requirements
and
are
found
to
be
in
conformity
and
then
our
so
are
our
blend
used
perspective.
It
has
no
no
concerns.
So
in
terms
of
the
comments
we
received
from
Heritage
Committee,
they
were
circulated.
There
were
no
substantive
concerns
provided
to
staff.
There
were
a
number
of
recommendations
regarding
the
placement
of
windows
and
heating
air-conditioning
units,
as
well
as
the
orientation
of
the
building.
All
these
comments
were
provided
to
the
applicant
for
consideration.
D
It's
important
to
note
that,
given
that
the
property
is
not
located
in
a
district
comments
regarding
the
detailing
of
the
design
of
the
infill
dwelling
are
sort
of
outside
of
the
scope
of
this
application.
We're
really
looking
at
the
Heritage
impact
on
the
attributes
of
the
property
and
not
so
much
on
the
design
of
this
building.
So
in
saying
that
mr.
chair
I,
you
can
skip
to
the
recommendations.
We
recommend
approval
with
a
number
of
conditions.
A
E
E
Yeah,
so
no
I
was
just
pleased
to
see
the
condition
number
five
I
think
it
was
regarding
the
the
the
color,
because
I
was
wondering
whether
the
beige
and
gray
goes
but
I
know
that
you're
not.
We
are
not
focusing
on
the
actual
design
of
the
new
building,
but
more
the
impact
of
heritage
and
I,
understand
and
and
I,
and
this
building
will
not
be
seen
from
the
street,
but
nevertheless
I
think
it
is
important
I'm
trying
to
imagine
the
original
building
is
quite
light
and
how
the
issue
will
kind
of
come
compliment.
F
Yeah
I
have
a:
is
it
possibly
a
tryin
to
put
the
plot
plan
back
on
I
I'm
I'm
a
little
like
yeah
I
didn't
look
at
this
before,
but
I'm
looking
at
it
now
and
it
just
when
I
look
at.
If
you
look
on
K
maps
or
anything
like
that,
you
can
see,
there's
like
a
precedent
for
all
the
other
buildings
to
be
like
closer
to
the
lot
lines
and
it
it
seemed
like
that
was
I
saw
quickly.
It
looked
like
it
was
placed
right
in
the
middle
of
the
yard,
which
is
kind
of
strange.
F
Can
we
do
something
like
to
make
a
recommendation?
Can
I
do
want
me
to
write
that
Derek
where
we
say
like
you
know,
if
you
look
at
the
adjacent
property
on
the
Google
Earth
shot
like
I'm
satellite
shot
there
accessory
building
is
closer
to
the
lot
line
and
I
understand.
There's
like
setbacks
and
stuff
like
that.
D
F
And
so
I'm
saying:
can
we
make
a
recommendation,
regardless
of
being
like,
regardless
of
the
actual
zoning?
We
think
that
there
should
be
a
condition
for
like
buildings
in
this
area
that
there's
a
historic
precedent
like
if
you
look
at
the
adjacent
property,
the
building,
it's
right
against
the
lot
line,
so
you
get
more
functional
space
and
the
rest
of
the
property.
F
G
F
H
Hey
actually
I
just
wondering
what
the
actual
setbacks
are.
I
didn't
see
them
like
where
are
required
for
the
odds
this.
If
anyone
actually
knows
cuz
I'm,
just
off
the
cuff,
having
done
a
lot
like
I
mean
we
have
four
point:
seven
meters
odds
at
the
side
that
you're
thinking
the
right-hand
side,
Matthew.
I
This
about
a
suggestion,
if
I
understand
it,
that
the
thermo
order
requirements
for
setbacks
and
so
on
should
be
waived
in
the
case.
Lots
that
have
historic
houses
with
different
setbacks.
Basically
I
think
it
might
allow
additions
or
new
buildings
such
as
this
to
be
more
prominent
and
they
would
otherwise
be
I.
Think
with
this
new
additions
and
with
new
buildings,
we
want
him
to
be
relatively
inconspicuous.
A
F
F
You
know
you
end
up
with
these
weird
infill
projects
where
they
don't
really
make
any
sense,
and
maybe
the
building's
squeezed
out
to
be
as
high
as
possible
as
to
where,
if
you
know
you
approached
it
logically
and
said,
oh
well,
we'll
just
give
you
an
extra
two
meters
here
through
a
minor
variants
on
the
side.
You
would
because,
if
you
look
at
the
plot
plan
like
there's
a
the
way
that
they'll
you
know,
they
there's
nothing
left
of
the
yard.
F
And
then,
if
you
also,
you
know
endeavour
to
look
at
how
the
rest
of
the
Lots
in
the
neighborhood
are
cut
up
where
the
older
accessory
buildings
are
in
it,
they're
all
like
along
the
line
and
stuff
and
it
you
know,
I
know
it
doesn't
meet
modern
zoning
requirements,
but
it
doesn't
make
sense.
So
there
you
go
so
are.
A
A
J
J
F
K
F
Know
if
you,
if
you
went
around
that
neighborhood
or
any
of
the
other
neighborhoods
you
look
and
not
a
none
of
our
sort
of
like
current
day,
zoning
requirements
would
apply
like
they're
all
non-conforming,
and
so
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
make
any
of
these
places
anyways.
So
me,
what
kind
of
says
is
okay?
Well,
we
need
to
interpret
these
spaces
a
little
bit
differently
when
it
comes
to
zoning
and
I.
Think
that
includes
new
construction
in
infill,
whatever
it
be
an
accessory
building
or
a
new
build
on
an
on
a
vacant
lot.
F
You
know
if
you
as
an
example,
if
you
thought
of
like
a
street
wall
so
like
on
these
old
streets,
a
lot
of
the
houses
are
all
sort
of
a
similar
set
back
from
the
curb
or
the
road,
and
if
you
just
blanket
applied
modern
zoning
codes,
they
you
might
end
up
with
the
house.
That's
just
back
and
it
looks
kind
of
silly,
and
so
you
know,
I
think
taking
in
those
small
nuances,
are
really
important
to
maintaining
the
character
and
function
in
those
neighborhoods,
and
so
that.
J
I'm
trying
to
get
at
you
know,
I
I,
appreciate
that
Matthew
and
I'm
thinking
that
God
I,
guess
I'd
like
to
hear
from
planning
is:
is
that
another
natural?
We
are
we
that
rigid
in
planning
and
that
we
don't
consider
it
or
is
this
a
moot
point
that
they
do
think
about
those
things
in
the
fact
that
it's
a
historical
area
and
is
it
because
are
we
asking
for
flexibility
or
consideration,
and
why
isn't
it?
Why
isn't
that
already
something
that's
been
done
and
is
common
practice.
As
my
question.
G
Hi
thanks
it's
Andrea.
This
is
this
is
a
really
interesting
thing,
and
it's
not
it's
not
that
we
don't
think
about
it.
There's
kind
of
like
two
two
sides
to
it.
So,
on
the
one
hand
like
Matthews
totally
right,
the
the
placement
of
buildings
definitely
contributes
to
neighborhood
character
and
in
in
a
neighborhood
like
this.
That's
the
heritage
character
of
the
neighborhood,
then
there's
kind
of
the
technical
side
of
lane
news
planning
where
we
require
setbacks,
because
it
allows
for
things
like
maintenance
on
buildings.
G
It
helps
cut
down
on
property
owner
disputes
when
a
when
a
building
is
too
close
to
a
lot
line.
So
I
think
as
as
planners
as
we
try
to
implement
the
zoning
we're
trying
to
find
a
balance
between
those
things.
Although
we
quite
often
have
buildings
built
right
to
the
lot
line,
we
don't
always
recommend
kind
of
continuing
that
practice,
because
we
do
find
that
over
time,
I
can
create
problems.
G
But
HK
wouldn't
be
able
to
require
that
building
to
move,
because
the
the
applicant
has
specific
kind
of
development
rights
based
on
what
the
zoning
says
right
now,
so
they
they
don't
need
to
there's
no
way
for
us
to
compel
them
to
require
or
sorry
to
apply
for
a
minor
variance
or
a
zoning
amendment
to
change
the
setbacks,
but
it's
something
that
they
could
consider
applying
for
and
then
in
the
kind
of
through
the
Planning
Act
application.
We
would
review
it
now.
G
I
also
just
did
want
to
mention
that,
because
we're
dealing
with
the
old
zoning
bylaws
still
I,
think
this
problem
is
a
little
worse
than
it
will
be
when
we
get
our
new
zoning
bylaws.
In
effect,
the
zoning
bylaws
that
were
done
in
the
70s
had
a
very
different
view
of
all
of
these
kinds
of
things,
and
it
was
more
about
like
improving
on
past
mistakes,
whereas
I
think
now
we
realize
that
those
old
quote-unquote
mistakes
aren't
necessarily
mistakes.
G
F
I
sent
one
to
Derek
and
I.
Guess:
I,
don't
know
where
it
goes
from
there,
but
yeah.
We
maybe
we'll
have
to
work
on
the
wording
or
something
I
don't
know,
but
thanks
Andrea
and
yeah
I
know
I,
guess
I
just
think
it
warrants
a
conversation.
It
shouldn't
just
be
like
you
know:
oh
well,
that's
where
that
buildings
gonna
be,
and
it's
gonna
be
there
for
a
long
time
and
okay.
A
B
B
M
Yes,
I
think
the
point
is
well-taken,
but
my
concern
is
that
this
is
not
an
accessory
building.
It's
actually
a
residence
and
just
thinking
about
what
Andrea
said
it
will
have
an
effect
on
the
neighboring
properties
and
I
think
that
setback
by
laws
are
there
for
a
purpose
and,
as
this
is
going
to
be
a
six
bedroom
home,
there's
going
to
be
a
fair
number
of
people
living
there
and
pressing
the
the
bet
that
you
know
pushing
it
back
to
the
lot
line.
It's
probably
not
the
best
choice
here.
M
A
A
A
A
F
A
N
A
Okay
and
I
would
thank
you
for
the
work
there
Matthew
and
for
the
elucidation
that
Jane
gave
about
accessory
and
was
it
Jane.
I
relieved
accessory
and
main
buildings,
but
your
point
is
well-taken
and
I
know.
Andrea
and
Ryan
have
been
listening
carefully.
So
we
are
back
to
the
printed
motion,
as
was
on
the
screen
before
any
further
discussion
on
this
and
seeing
none
those
in
favor.
B
Thank
You
mr.
chair
and
just
one
quick
comment
to
people
as
well
I
harp
on
this
a
lot.
If
you
do
not
raise
your
hand,
that
is
considered
a
no
vote.
Yes,
so
it's
it's!
Okay!
This
isn't
recorded
that
one
passed
it's
just
important
where
there's
a
case
of
it
might
be
a
close
vote.
If
you
don't
raise
your
hand
and
that
is
considered
a
negative
vote
so.
A
B
I'll
just
make
one
last
announcement.
Mr.
chair,
before
we
start,
we
do
have
a
number
of
people
who
are
in
the
attend,
attendees
folder.
They
are
applicants
for
later
files.
Just
let
them
know
is
there.
Listening
in
I
will
promote
you
into
the
meeting
when
your
file
comes
up,
so
I
see
that
people
are
there
and
will
bring
into
the
main
meeting
when
it
is
your
time
and
I'll
turn
things
back
over
to
you.
Mr.
chair
great.
C
203
mr.
chair,
if
I
just
may
mention
quickly
when
someone
requests
a
specific
slide
to
be
displayed,
there's
about
a
10
second
way
before
I'm
able
yep
as
well.
My
colleague
Derek
needs
to
assume
well
the
speaker's
list
at
that
point,
so
we
don't
mind
doing
that.
But
I
would
just
ask
that
we
slow
down
the
process
a
little
bit
until
everything
set
up
there.
So
yeah.
A
A
D
Thank
You
mr.
chair.
Yes,
it's
me
why
don't
you
skip
ahead?
A
couple
of
slides
just
for
efficiency
purposes?
This
is
Kingston
collegiate
Vocational,
Institute
property
and
Vanier.
The
the
property
is
on
the
south
side
of
Earl
Street.
It's
the
North
portion
of
the
city,
block,
cocaine,
Frontenac
al
Alfred
streets
and
it
is
designated
in
2020
17
under
part
four.
D
It
has
a
number
of
associative
values
related
to
architects
and
various
politicians,
as
well
as
local
musicians,
The,
Tragically,
Hip
and
David
Usher.
It's
also
had
it
was
quite
a
history
of
growth
and
change
from
the
buildings
themselves,
booking
tight
routes,
all
the
way
back
to
the
Reverend
John
Stewart
and
one
of
the
first
there
was
the
first
post
higher
education
in
Ontario,
Canada
I,
think.
But
what
is
before
us
today
is
the
proposal
to
remove
four
portable
classroom
buildings
from
the
east
side
of
the
property,
and
you
can
see
them
on
your
screen.
D
Unfortunately,
air
a
photo
was
taken
a
year
before
the
fourth
one
was
put
in
there
under
the
Heritage
Act
or
section
34.
It's
required
that
any
building
that
is
to
be
removed
or
demolished
on
a
protected
property
get
prior
approval
from
Council,
so
those
none
of
those
portables
are
particularly
a
heritage
value
they're
about
twenty
years
old
I
understand
from
the
school
board
themselves
that
those
are
to
be
relocated
and
and
repurposed
on
other
school
board
sites
throughout
the
city,
throughout
their
jurisdiction
and
and
put
back
into
use.
D
But
currently
this
this,
they
are
no
longer
in
use,
are
no
longer
needed
on
the
KCCI
property
and
are
being
asked
to
be
removed.
So
we
have
no
concerns.
Similarly,
the
agencies
that
were
circulated
had
no
concerns.
There's
a
building
permit,
that's
going
to
be
needed
for
this,
and
we
received
no
concerns
from
heritage
Kingston,
so
our
recommendations
before
you.
Thank
you.
Mr.
chairman,
thank.
A
A
B
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
without
public
comments,
then
we
look
for
a
motion
for
as
printed
moved
by
Williams
seconded
by
Councillor
Doherty
demolition.
Sorry,
that
the
removal
of
the
four
portable
classrooms
be
okayed.
So
any
further
discussion
on
that
motion
and
seeing
none,
those
in
favor
of
the
motion
and
those
against
the
motion
and
I'll
count
that
as
carrot.
Thank
you
very
much.
D
Thank
You
mr.
chair
I
will
give
you
just
a
brief
overview
of
all
three
of
these
and
I
will
let
you
manage
the
the
motions
appropriately,
but
just
for
simplicity's
sake,
these?
This
is
a
group
of
neighbors
that
have
together
to
do
a
series
of
maintenance
and
restoration
to
their
to
their
row
house
together,
which
is
very
exciting
and
and
we're
happy
to
see.
Neighbors
working
together
like
this,
the
property
is
hard,
as
you
noted
four,
through
ten
Rito
Street
there
on
the
northwest
corner
of
Rito
and
barracks
streets,
the
property
at
two
through
eight.
D
If
you
can
advance
that
James
is
known
historically,
as
the
Rideau
Terrace,
it
was
built
around
1841,
the
property
to
its
north,
which
is
tanneritos.
Street,
was
likely
build
a
year
two
prior
to
that.
So
it's
a
littler
built
as
a
double
house.
These
properties
are
designated
under
part.
Four.
You
can
skip
ahead
and
I
believe
the
Rito's
terrorists
as
well.
It
also
has
a
heritage
easement
agreement
on
it
with
the
City
of
Kingston.
D
All
of
this
wasn't
put
in
place
back
in
the
mid
1980s
and
just
kept
ahead.
One
more
some
of
the
attributes
are
noted
visually
just
for
reference
sake,
you're
looking
at
the
Reno
Terrace,
which
is
the
two
four
through
or
two
through
eight
and
ten
is
the
proper
just
the
door
just
to
the
far
right,
which
is
the
double
house.
So
those
are
some
of
the
attributes
that
are
notable
for
our
purposes
today.
The
works
that
are
before
you
wouldn't
skip
ahead.
D
So,
in
terms
of
our
review,
the
alterations
proposed
our
course
a
positive
impact
on
the
Heritage
attributes
of
this
property
and
will
help
extend
the
life
of
this
valued
resource.
The
use
of
the
metal
standing,
seam
roof
or
the
cedar
shingles
are
supported
by
stab
and
demonstrate
the
respect
that
the
owners
have
to
the
the
history
and
heritage
character
of
his
property.
In
terms
of
our
circulation.
There
is
a
requirement
for
encroachment
permit
if
works
are
to
be
or
scaffolding
in
such
are
to
be
placed
on
city
property.
D
Power
lines
need
to
be
isolated,
came
from
hydro,
Kingston,
hydro
and
in
terms
of
comments
from
the
Heritage
Committee.
There
are
a
number
out
lined
in
the
report.
I
won't
go
through
each
one
individually,
but
many
of
them
have
been
included
as
conditions
which
are
before
you
and
mr.
chair.
We
recommend
approval
of
this
application
and
I'll.
Take
any
question
I
believe
there
are
three
separate
motions,
one
for
each
property:
I
guess
good.
A
I
One
sort
of
minor
point
refers
to
the
use
of
the
word
cedar
shakes
rather
than
cedar
shingles
on
some
of
the
newer
members.
Not
may
not
be
quite
familiar
with
the
distinction,
but
there
is
a
distinction.
A
cedar
shake
is
traditional
cedar,
shake
was
actually
split,
cedar
logs,
where
a
cedar,
shingle
song
and
therefore
shingles,
are
quite
uniform
and
lie
pretty
flat
against
the
roof,
whereas
the
shakes
tend
to
look
quite
irregular
with
different
thicknesses,
and
so
they
have
a
kind
of
rustic
appearance
on
the
roof.
I
Now
I,
don't
know
what
the
applicants
really
wanted,
but
I
think
what's
on
the
roof
now
are
cedar,
shingles,
not
shakes
and
I
think
the
shingles
would
be
would
make
more
sense
from
a
heritage
point
of
view.
The
city
house
is
not
a
rustic
cabin
that
might
will
want
to
use
cedar,
shakes
and
so
I
would
suggest.
A
B
K
B
B
For
members
to
the
public,
I'll
remind
you,
if
you
wish
to
comment,
make
sure
you
use
the
raised
hand
button
that's
at
the
bottom
of
the
list
of
all
the
meeting
participants.
If
you
don't
have
that
list,
you
just
need
to
go
to
the
bottom
of
your
screen
and
click
participants.
Then
you'll
see
a
list
of
names
and
there'll
be
the
raise
hand,
button
and.
A
A
I
I
You
know
so
that
the
whole
row
would
have
the
same
or
a
similar
kind
of
metal
roof
and
I
guess.
The
question
was
that
the
metal
roofing
turned
out
to
be
rather
expensive,
but
you
know
I,
think
the
the
other
side
of
the
argument
is
that
the
last
three
times
longer
than
a
suitable
roof,
and
so
in
terms
of
economics,
you
know,
should
give
careful
consideration.
I
A
A
I
B
I
Think
it's
pretty
clear
that
we,
the
previous
attempts
to
patch
the
chimney,
were
rather
poor
quality
and
that's
led
to
even
worse
deterioration.
If
you
look
at
the
close-ups
of
the
stonework-
and
there
are
some
other
pictures
as
well,
you
see
a
lot
of
the
stones
are
splitting
and
and
also
a
lot
of
the
schools.
I
Don't
were
originally
rather
small
and
for
the
shape,
and
in
my
opinion,
if
this
chimney
is
going
to
be
a
sound
chimney,
it
needs
a
lot
of
new
stones
and
and
they
should
be
laid
in
regular
courses
so
that
the
resulting
chimney
will
be
strong.
And
there
should
also
be
a
drip
course
which
you
can
see
on.
One
of
the
archival
photographs
near
the
top
of
the
chimney.
I
So
I'm
going
to
add
a
making
amendment,
which
will
be
an
addition
to
condition
two.
So
at
the
end
of
condition
to
want
to
suggest
adding
the
words
consideration
be
given
to
the
use
of
squared
stones
laid
in
more
uniform
courses
or
improved
stability
and
for
construction
of
a
drip
course
to
match
archival
photographs
and.
B
A
So
there
you
see
it
added
to
the
end
of
recommendation
2,
with
consideration
to
be
given
to
the
use
of
squared
stones
laid
in
more
uniform
courses
for
improved
stability
and
the
construction
of
a
trip
course
to
match
archival
photographs.
Don.
Do
you
want
to
add
anything
to
what
you've
already
said,
you're
looking
for
a
second
to
first
sorry,
do
I
have
a
seconder
for
that
Matthew.
Thank
you.
Don.
Do
you
want
to
add
anything
to
what
you've
said?
Well,.
I
K
G
I
A
Further
comments
on
the
amendment,
seeing
nothing
on
my
screen
and
nobody's
hand
asking
to
vote
then
on
the
amendment
which
you
saw
in
print
before
those
in
favor
those
opposed
okay.
So
the
amendment
carries
back
to
the
original
motion.
Any
further
discussion
on
the
original
motion,
which
is
now
twice
amended.
A
Seeing
none
members
of
the
public
and
I
see
nothing
there
which
moves
us
on
to
to
the
vault
to
which
is
the
recommendation
on
a
treadle
Street
with
the
addition
at
the
end
of
recommendation
2
and
the
change
in
recommendation
3
from
shake
the
shingle,
those
in
favor
of
the
amended
motion,
those
opposed
that
is
carried.
Thank
you
very
much.
J
A
A
A
A
A
A
Go
you've
got
with
you
very
much;
okay,
don't
you
need
to
speak
on
this
one
at
all
anymore?
No.
Thank
you
last
time.
Further
discussion,
then,
on
the
third
of
rid
of
the
fourth
of
the
houses.
Four
six,
eight
ten
think
you've
probably
heard
most
things
on
this.
That
sounds
good.
Any
comments
from
the
public.
B
A
B
D
D
D
It
includes
the
remains
of
a
two-story
limestone
storage
building,
known
as
the
Imperial
oil
or
Queen
City
oil
building,
and
it's
designated
in
the
subject
of
a
heritage,
easement
agreement
with
the
city
under
part,
four
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act,
which
came
into
place
a
few
years
back.
So
we
skip
ahead
James
couple
terms
of
the
designation,
so
that's
the
property
a
few
years
ago.
Is
there
some
images
of
what
it
looked
like
before
it
suffered
its
most
recent
collapse?
D
So
the
next
slide
provide
some
of
the
overview
of
the
sorry,
not
the
next
one
anyway
again
overview
of
the
Heritage
characteristics
of
the
property.
You'll
note
that
it
was
built
around
1908,
but
two
plans
by
well-known
architect,
William
Newlands.
It
reflects
the
former
industrial
use
of
this
area
and
some
of
the
attributes
include
the
purpose-built
stone,
building
its
fenestration
openings,
the
chimney
and
it's
and
its
roof,
which
is
no
longer
there
and
its
location
to
other
industrial
buildings
and
in
the
area
or
what
formal
or
industrial
engineering.
D
So
what
is
before
the
committee
today
is
well
just
a
little
background.
The
city
sold
this
property
in
2014
to
admin
investments
with
the
understanding
that
the
new
owner
would
restore
and
redevelop
the
former
industrial
building.
A
heritage
permit
was
approved
in
2018
to
permit
a
significant
restoration
adaptive
reuse
to
convert
the
former
industrial
building
to
eight
residential
units.
Since
that
time,
the
buildings
suffered
from
further
deterioration,
including
the
collapse
of
the
roof
and
significant
portions
of
the
north
and
south
walls.
D
The
owners
have
stabilized
the
building
and
have,
but
have
now
had
to
do
a
number
of
amendments
to
their
original
plans
and
approvals
to
accommodate
some
of
these
losses
and
satisfy
building
and
safety
codes.
So
the
application
is
to
withdraw
and
replace
that
2018
approval
with
the
new
plans
that
are
before
the
community
this
morning.
Some
of
the
changes
to
the
2018
approval
include
increasing
the
pitch
and
height
of
the
roof,
installing
Patras
plates
on
the
east
west
and
north
elevations
altering
a
number
of
the
openings
on
the
north
and
south
elevations.
D
Introduction
of
concrete
steps.
Landings
and
handrails
have
metal
handrails
to
the
east.
Sorry
to
the
entrance
on
the
east
elevation,
the
erection
of
a
metal,
clad,
stairwell
enclosure
on
the
north
side
and
the
form
of
a
silo
with
a
named
Queen
City
oil
come
on
the
east
base,
changes
to
the
orientation
and
size
of
the
rooftop
vents
which
are
formerly
skylights.
D
The
roofing
is
to
be
standing,
seam
profile,
metal,
roofing
in
a
gray
tone.
The
transition
between
the
new
roof
and
the
lunch
tone
walls
is
to
be
clad
in
a
horizontal
fiber
board,
hardy
board
and
light
gray
tone.
The
new
windows
are
to
be
wood,
cecht
windows,
clad
in
metal
in
a
color
that
that
matches
the
the
rest
of
the
plans
in
in
a
six
over
six
glazing
pattern.
D
So,
in
terms
of
our
analysis
as
I
know
that
this
building
has
suffered
from
significant
deterioration
over
the
past
decade
and
thanks
to
the
efforts
of
the
current
owners,
the
building
is
currently
secured
for
from
further
collapse.
The
proposal
before
us
includes
the
construction
of
a
new
building
within
the
current
envelope
of
the
former
limestone
building.
The
limestone
walls
themselves
are
to
be
restored
and
attached
to
the
new
structure
by
way
of
metal,
Patras
plates
and
tiebacks.
D
In
order
to
provide
the
minimum
wall
height
for
each
to
the
two
floors,
the
new
buildings,
the
new
building
will
be
approximately
1.5
meters
or
five
feet
taller
than
the
existing
stone
walls.
The
pitch
of
the
roof
is
to
be
slightly
steeper
than
was
originally
approved.
A
4-12
versus
the
former
to
12
pitch
the
applicants
are
intending
to
replicate
the
profile
of
the
former
roof,
a
gable
roof
with
the
chimney
and
the
chimneys
to
be
restored
and
staff
support.
The
proposal.
D
The
new
roof
in
its
similar
form
or
roof
profile,
clad
in
an
appropriate
period,
appropriate
roofing
material
in
order
to
provide
secondary
access
to
the
second
floor
apartment
units
and
enclosed
exterior
staircase,
is
required.
The
applicants
considered
a
simple
square
structure
in
order
to
provide
the
said
enclosure,
but
given
the
highly
visible
nature
of
this
property,
particularly
from
dug
floor
park,
the
applicants
are
proposed
to
pay
tribute
to
the
historic
use
of
building
as
an
oil
storage.
D
Building
by
designing
the
enclosure
to
resemble
an
oil
storage
silo,
the
new
addition
will
be
shorter
than
the
main
building
and
setback
from
both
the
east
and
rear
west
elevations.
In
addition,
the
offset
from
the
north,
while
the
building
is
attached
by
a
hallway,
wide
link
addition
clad
in
a
similar
fiber
board
sighting
in
in
this
way.
Most
of
the
north
wall
will
also
be
visible
around
the
new
silo
as
a
result
of
these
recent
collapses
and
years
of
neglect
of
this
building,
not
only
are
the
windows
beyond
repair
and
most
of
the
missing.
D
Some
of
the
original
openings
have
failed
and
have
been
partially
buried
or
partially
buried.
The
applicants
have
attempted
to
document
and
recreate
as
many
of
the
original
openings
on
the
east
and
west
elevations
as
possible
in
order
to
accommodate
the
new
at
grade
second-floor
access
on
the
south
end
of
the
building.
What
remains
of
the
original
openings
will
be
altered
to
create
a
new
door
and,
of
course,
changing
an
original
opening
and
heritage
building
is
never
desirable
from
a
conservation
perspective.
D
However,
only
portions
of
these
openings
remain
following
the
collapse
of
the
south
wall
and
further
the
reconstruction
of
this
wall
is
necessary
to
both
accommodate
the
new
use
and
to
stabilize
and
conserve
the
stone
structure.
So,
on
balance,
given
the
extensive
conservation
efforts
proposed
by
the
applicants
to
retain
an
adaptive
reuse,
this
resource,
which
is
a
little
more
than
a
ruin
at
this
time,
the
loss
of
these
particular
openings
is
considered
acceptable
in
order
to
conserve
the
overall
heritage
character
of
the
property
and
in
mr.
chair.
We
we
circulated
this
to
our
the
usual
agencies.
D
Planning
services,
notes
that
the
applicants
will
be
applying
for
official
plan.
Zoning
bylaw
amendments,
as
well
as
sight
line
control
approvals,
which
I
got
understand,
have
been
submitted
in
order
to
permit
this
proposed
development
building,
of
course,
notes.
Building
permits
required
and
there's
a
number
of
technical
comments
that
the
the
applicants
are
aware
of
and
will
be
addressing,
and
we
also
received
no
concerns
from
a
number
of
agencies
that
will
be
looking
at
details
and
technical
considerations
through
those
planning
applications
that
I
mentioned.
In
terms
of
the
committee's
comments,
there
were
no
substantive
concerns.
D
D
These
comments
were
all
provided
to
the
owners
for
the
athletes
for
consideration
and
they
did
provide
a
response
which
I
believe
is
in
your
agenda
package,
and
they
did
note
that
the
original
limestone
walls
terminated
at
the
heads
of
the
windows
and
didn't
actually
include
the
top
course,
and
they
wish
to
honor
this
arrangement
in
their
current
design
and
did
not
wish
to
add
that
extra
course.
So
I
note
that,
for
your
consideration,
the
recommendations
are
before
you
and
there's
a
series
of
conditions
that
go
along
with
those
recommendations
and
I'm
happy
to
take
questions.
I
I
When
you
look
at
that
drawing
you
don't
see,
windows
in
the
gable,
but
the
sort
of
working
drawing
the
blueprints
do
show
gable
windows
which
look
as
if
they
are
in
the
same
place
as
the
original
evil
windows.
So
can
you
clarify
for
us
whether
of
the
gable
windows,
particularly
in
the
at
the
end
with
societal,
are
going
to
be
restored
and
retained
or
not.
D
Thank
You
mr.
chair
I
was
just
trying
to
bring
those
plans
up
myself
as
I
as
noted.
The
appellants
have
done
their
best
to
conserve
the
original
openings
where
they
knew
they
existed
and
and
to
re
replicate.
Those
in
is
close
to
the
original
locations
possible.
I.
Don't
think
anyone
can
explicitly
confirm
that
they're,
an
exact
location
that
they
were,
but
it's
best
of
their
ability.
D
I
Respond,
there
really
seems
to
be
a
an
inconsistency
in
the
documentation
that
we
have.
We
have
drawings
of
the
apartments
which
show
windows
in
the
gables
on
both
floors,
and
then
we
have
a
sort
of
conceptual
plan
of
that
end
of
the
building
which
the
windows
are
not
visible.
So
it's,
the
basic
question
is:
are
there
going
to
be
windows
in
the
gable
ends
or
not.
I
A
D
I
I
B
A
A
E
Don't
have
a
question
just
a
comment:
I
just
think
it's
it
I
just
want
to
commend
the
owner
for
this.
This
conservation
project
is
not
only
conserving
the
building
but
I,
really
like
the
creative
shape
of
this
stair
enclosure
and
honoring.
The
historic
use
of
the
building
I
think
that's
really
fantastic.
So
I'm,
really
quite
it's
about
this
project.
It's
a
beautiful
building
and
it'll
be
really
even
more
beautiful
and
stunning
when
it's
completed.
So
so
thanks
for
the
work
but.
J
A
M
A
F
A
F
Looking
at
their
renderings
again
and-
and
it
just
occurred
to
me
like
I'm
looking
through
them
all
again
and
then
maybe
anybody
else
has
the
feelings
about
any
of
the
windows
that
are
getting
blocked
in
like
getting
stone
in
film
that
maybe
they'd
be
suggested,
be
a
blind
window.
So
it
reads
as
previous
opening,
so
it's
like
getting
setback
an
inch
or
3/4
an
inch
or
something
so
that
it
reads
is
a
pre-existing
opening.
But
you
know
the
new
windows
are
going
other
locations.
A
B
A
A
P
Matt
the
comment
about
the
blind
window:
we
are
doing
that
on
the
on
the
north
end
of
the
building
on
this
second
floor.
Above
that
one-story
area,
I,
think
on
the
rendering
page
165
I
haven't
looked
at
the
elevations,
but
I
think
of
the
rendering
165
we
showed
you
can
see
it
there
on
page,
164
and
165.
It
would
be
on
the
the
east
side
of
the
chimney.
P
K
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
what
that
answers?
Your
question
there
at
Matthew,
seeing
no
more
hands
having
heard
from
the
public
they
look
for
emotion
and
I
understand.
There
were
gonna,
be
some
amendments.
Once
we've
got
the
motion
set
looking
for
a
mover
for
a
motion
to
approve
the
recommendations
which
you've
got
and
the
conditions
which
you've
got
in
your
agenda
package.
I
Yes,
well,
let
me
start
by
saying,
as
others
I
said,
that
the
committee
in
the
city
should
be
very
pleased
to
see
this
building
restored,
to
to
use
and
to
a
good
appearance,
and
so
that's
that's
a
very
good
thing.
I
guess,
along
with
that,
we'd
like
to
preserve
as
many
of
the
heritage
attributes
as
possible,
and
so
it's
a
little
disappointing
that
a
lot
of
the
stone
said
well
we're
down
and
are
not
going
back.
I
guess,
that's
we're
losing
a
lot
of
stones
and
I.
Guess
in
my
comment.
I
I
thought
one
way
of
kind
of
compensating
for
that
would
be
to
add
a
layer
of
stones
to
the
tops
of
the
existing
walls
and
and
yeah
I
understand
the
original
walls
stopped
there,
but,
on
the
other
hand,
with
the
original
walls,
you
couldn't
see
the
top
so
that
we
because
they
were
covered
with
the
roof.
So
with
the
new
the
proposed
building,
the
ratio
of
sort
of
siding
and
roof
to
rolls
is
going
to
be
much
much
more
greater
than
it
was
so
really.
I
The
Heritage
appearance
of
the
building
is
not
as
good
as
me,
but
so
anyway,
that's
my
suggestion
to
add
a
course
of
stone
or
more
to
the
top
of
the
walls.
I
hope
could
be
taken
seriously
because
there's
a
lot
of
good
stone
lying
around
there
unused
and
it
doesn't
take
you
know,
there's
they're
gonna
be
masons
doing
a
lot
of
stonework
there.
It
doesn't
take
a
lot
of
time
or
expense.
It
just
run
around
an
extra
layer
of
stone
on
the
top
of
the
wall.
It
only
needs
to
be
one
at
the
front.
I
I
To
make
the
recommendation
well
the
one
of
the
recommendations,
the
recommendation
to
speaks
to
restoring
the
chimney
to
its
original
height.
Well,
the
original
chimney
was
maybe
2
meters
above
the
original
roofline,
and
so
it
really
looked
like
an
industrial
chimney,
sticking
way
above
the
roof.
But
now
we
have
the
eaves
of
the
roof
being
raised.
One-And-A-Half
meters,
we
have
a
steeper
pitch
on
roof.
So
if
we
simply
leave
that
chimney
as
it
is,
it
will
just
barely
project
above
the
roofline.
I
It
will
not
look
like
the
or
chimney
that
is
spoken
of
in
the
heritage
attributes,
so
my
my
recommendation
is
to
add
to
amendment
is
to
to
change
recommendation
to
so
that
reads
to
a
height
of
at
least
1.5
meters
above
the
roof
Ridge,
and
so
the
intention
is
to
give
back
the
current
appearance
or
the
previous
appearance
of
a
tall
industrial
type
chimney.
So
good.
A
B
A
A
F
Yeah
thanks
Peter
I,
think
I
agree
with
Don
in
regards
to
the
chimney.
I
I
think
you
know.
If
it's
listed
in
the
Heritage
attributes,
I
think,
like
you
know,
there's
probably
some
merit
to
and
considering
you
know
at
least
giving
it
the
prominence
that
it
once
had,
but
I
also
just
to
balance
that
out.
But
you
know
it
might
be
disingenuous
to
just
curate
our
own
perception
of
how
much
be,
and
that
kind
of
leads
me
into
the
next
part
right
the
idea
of
adding
stone
to
the
top
of
the
wall.
F
If
it
wasn't
there,
it
seems
pretty
disingenuous
to
me
to
add
it
to
the
top.
Although
I
agree
that
you
know,
there's
gonna
be
a
lot
of
material
on
site
and
it
would
be
a
shame
for
it
to
not
be
on
the
wall
and
we've
already
lost
a
bunch
of
it.
I
think
that
problem
the
stone
having
been
lost
is
sort
of
a
bigger
problem
of
buildings
like
this
just
being
neglected
and
then
falling
down.
F
J
J
M
When
I
made,
my
comments
on
I
didn't
realize
that
the
original
building
they
just
went
to
the
the
window
didn't
have
any
booze
or
anything
over
the
top
of
it,
and
there
was
no
limestone
course
there,
and
so
when
the
applicant
stated
that,
in
his
response
to
my
comment,
I
I
tend
to
agree
that
you
don't
want
to
change
the
building
from
what
it
was
any
more
than
you
have
to
so
I
would
I'm
not
in
support
of
adding
another
course
at
this
point
in
time.
Thank.
P
P
We
thought
it
was
I,
guess
the
term
disingenuous,
that's
adding
that
extra
material
would
have
been
sort
of
contrary
to
what
we
know.
We
sort
of
believe-
and
we
do
something
like
this-
the
chimney
same
respect.
We
left
the
chimney
this
the
height
of
the
original
chimney.
I,
don't
know
if
the
owner
would
have
a
problem
with
us,
raising
the
chimney,
but
again
the
same
argument.
I
would
I
would
use
there.
Is
that
the
the
chimney
was
a
certain
night.
P
We
would
keep
it
that
height
in
the
the
building
did
have
at
one
time
an
elevator
shaft
inside
it,
which
was
a
big
sort
of
shaft
projecting
out
of
the
roof,
which
of
course,
we
have
no
longer
any
use
for
I've
gone
long
time
ago.
But
we
haven't
put
that
back
on.
But
as
far
as
the
chimney,
the
height
of
the
masonry
goes
we'd
like
to
keep
it
the
way.
It
was.
A
B
A
A
K
F
Yeah,
you
know
I
think
after
talking
to
say
array
or
list
hearing
from
Ray
I
think
I,
don't
know,
I
feel
like
satisfied
that
you
know
they.
At
least
there
was
a
thought
and
a
discussion
about
the
chimney.
Height
and
I.
Don't
know,
I
think
that's
part
of
it.
I
mean
you
know
you
can
run
away
with
sort
of
curating
our
idea
of
like
old
timey
things
so
I
think,
like
you
know,
we
reflected.
F
We
thought
the
best
thing
to
do
to
conserve
the
space
was
to
keep
it
at
its
height
in
to
meets
the
performance
requirements
for
whatever
mechanical
thing
it's
serving,
then
you
know
I
think
that
it
should
stay
as
it
is
I'm
happy
they
thought
about
it.
They're
doing
it
so
I
think
in
regards
to
Junaid
I'm,
satisfied.
Okay,.
A
I
You're
just
poking
through
the
roof,
whereas
the
heritage
attributes
for
this
building,
so
the
tall
industrial
type
chimney
and
I
think
if
we
say
keeping
to
the
same
height,
it
probably
wouldn't
pass
well.
Building
coder
is
seeking,
certainly
good
practice
for
heights
of
chimneys,
so
I
think
there's
a
good
argument
for
for
raising
the
chimney.
So
it
looks
like
a
respectable
chimney
comparable
to
to
what
it
was
before.
So
I
certainly
think,
there's
a
good
argument
for
raising
the
chimney.
Thank
you.
O
You
yeah
I,
absolutely
totally
agree
with
Don
on
this.
That's
why
I?
Second,
the
motion-
this
is
this:
roof
lines
been
redesigned
and
I
am
also
the
concern
Don.
Does
that
the
chimneys
gonna
look
out
of
place,
especially
with
the
historical
description,
so
I'm
gonna
stay
with
my
recommendation,
that
which
was
moved
by
Don.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
F
Sorry
I
think
there's
like
some
lag.
Sometimes
yeah,
I
think
those
are
fair
comments
and
you
know
maybe
we
could
get
a
confirmation
from
Ray
that
what
the
prominence
will
be
you
know
maybe
like
if
he
can
get.
You
know
assure
us
that
it'll
be
25
meters
above
the
peak
or
something
like
that
and
then
maybe
just
speak
to
like
it
contrasting
against
the
other
material.
You
know
that
that
might
be
that
might
help
satisfy
some
of
the
concerns,
but
you
know
I
still
wanna
get
carried
away
with
like
make.
F
P
P
However,
from
a
and
and
from
a
practical
standpoint,
not
really
using
the
chimney
for
any
we're,
not
you
know
we're
not
using
it.
For
you
know,
dispersal
of
fumes
or
anything
like
that,
where
it's
purely
remaining
as
a
decorative
element
on
the
building,
so
there
really
isn't
any
sort
of
code
reason
to
to
raise
it
above
the
roof,
any
any
higher.
I,
don't
think
the
owner
would
have
a
problem.
P
I,
don't
really
have
a
problem
aesthetically
with
bringing
a
roof
higher
right
now,
I
think
you'll
see
it's
probably
about
a
meter
above
the
ridge
of
the
roof.
I,
don't
like.
Don't
have
the
luxury
of
having
a
scale
to
look
at
it
right
now,
but
I
don't
think
he
wanted.
Whatever
problem,
we
don't
know
precisely
how
high
the
roof
was
to
begin
with.
P
Anyway,
we
don't
have
an
as-built
measurement
of
the
of
the
actual
height
of
it
before
it
came
down,
so
we're
kind
of
guessing
at
the
height
we're
proposing,
but
from
the
historic
photographs
we've
seen,
it
appears.
That's
that's
what
we
seem
to
get
the
height
we're
showing
on
the
drawings
there
I
I,
don't
think
the
the
owner
would
have
a
problem
with
adjusting
the
height
of
that
a
bit
and
well
I.
P
K
A
F
You
know
in
when
doing
conservation
you
gotta
think
about
the
reversibility
right,
and
so,
if
you
were
to
take
away
the
new
roof
structure
that
they
are
proposing
like
them
in
their
concept,
then
you
would
have
this
like
obnoxiously
large
chimney
that
wasn't
what
was
there
originally
and
so
I
guess,
that's
sort
of
what
you
know
I'm
cautioning
towards
this
you
know.
Are
we
doing
this
the
right
way
and
not
just
what
we
want
it
to
be
anyway,.
A
I
Yes,
well,
there's
been
some
discussion
already
about
adding
a
another
course
of
stone
and
I
I
appreciate
the
reluctance
to
add
something
that
isn't
there
so
I'm
not
sure
whether
I
want
to
go
ahead
with
this,
but
I
think
the
committee
should
also
recognize
that
we
are
losing
a
lot
of
stones
in
the
gable
end
at
the
gable
ends.
The
stonework
is
coming
down
many
courses
and
we're
losing
the
original
window
openings
with
loose
worms-
and
you
know
that
is
I.
Don't
think
it's
you
know,
I,
don't
think
it's
totally
necessary.
I
know
they're.
I
Obviously,
a
project
like
this
one
has
to
be
very
conscious
of
the
costs
and
so
on.
But
you
know,
I
have
to
say
that
I
kind
of
do
is
to
be
losing
so
much
stone
and
I
thought
one
way
of
compensating
in
the
overall
picture.
The
overall
view
of
the
property
would
be
to
to
add
another
course
of
stone
around
the
walls.
I
A
I
I
It
has
quite
a
significant
visual
aspect
to
it.
It's
not
original.
The
question
is:
is
it
necessary
and
I'm
not
sure
that
it's
necessary?
What
they
are
there
for
is
to
tie
the
stone
walls
to
the
interior?
Framing
that's
going
to
be
added,
and
the
question
is:
is
that
considered
necessary
from
a
kind
of
engineering
or
core
point
of
view,
I
kind
of
doubt
that
it
is
necessary?
I
I
If
it's
not
clear
that
they're
necessary
my
suspicion
is
that
engineering
people
have
looked
at
this,
and
so
these
Patra
sirs
Patras
plates
would
be
a
good
thing
and,
and
indeed
there
would
be
but
saying
they
will
strengthen
the
structure.
But
there
are
many
many
stone
buildings
and
Kingston
that
don't
happen,
that
don't
seem
to
need
them
and
it's
an
additional
expense
and
it's
a
significant
change
in
appearance.
I
So
my
amendment
is
to
add
a
condition:
ten
I'm
not
putting
forward
the
condition
about
the
stone
walls
to
condition
10
will
be
the
applicants,
consider
adding
sorry
the
applicant,
consider
or
meeting
the
proposed
Patras
plates
and
replacing
them
by
tie
bars.
If
so
sorry,
omitting
the
proposed
Patras
plates
or
replacing
them
by
tie
bars,
if
so
advised
by
experienced
domains.
Okay,.
B
B
B
A
A
F
Think
John's
points
really
relevant
and
it's
definitely
worth
consideration,
but
if
I
had
to
choose-
and
we
would
talk
to
those
before
if
I
do
choose
between
like
a
Patras
plate-
and
it's
maybe
tying
the
building
to
the
framing
on
the
inside
it-
they
do
stand
like
Patras
plates
on
the
outside
of
the
building,
those
like
iron
or
whatever
they
had
end
up
being
our
nice
tell
tale
to
future
interventions.
They.
You
know
that
maybe
something
was
at
play
in
the
past
and
you
can
also
actively
participate
and
crank
them
in
down
the
road.
F
A
A
A
B
D
D
D
You
skip
ahead.
Some
of
the
reason
it
is
noted
as
a
contributing
building
in
the
district
plan,
particularly
for
its
low
massing,
its
mansion
roof,
its
rectangular
openings
and
the
and
a
two
tiered
facade.
So
today
the
application
before
us
is
as
a
number
of
alterations
under
park.
Section
42
of
the
Heritage
Act
is
the
applicants
are
looking
to
convert
the
existing
six
unit,
building
residential
building
into
a
two
unit
dwelling-
and
this
is
a
good
series
of
of
alterations,
so
quickly
skip
a
few
of
these.
D
The
South
elevation
will
be
helpful,
we're
looking
the
applicants
looking
to
enlarge
an
existing
window,
opening
at
the
East
End
and
create
a
new
door
opening
on
the
West
End
to
accommodate
the
installation
of
two
sets
of
glazed
double
doors,
replace
the
current
front
door
with
a
glazed
door
with
sidelights
installed
fire
shutters
over
the
ground
floor
openings
and
install
small
projecting
cornice
over
the
new
door.
We
flipped
the
East
elevation.
D
Opening
and
install
new
clays
door
and
French
velvet,
so
a
whole
shopping
list
of
alterations
to
to
convert
this
building
from
a
multi-unit
residence
to
a
semi,
essentially
two
units.
In
terms
of
our
review,
we
assess
this
application
against
the
policies
of
the
district
plan.
Specifically,
section
four
of
the
plan
speaks
to
conservation
policies
with
respect
to
building
conservation.
D
Four
three
two
talks
about
exterior
walls
and
notes
that
portions
of
the
building
are
exposed
limestone,
brick,
both
exposed
and
covered
and
aluminum
siding.
This
section
recommends
that
non
heritage
claddings
such
as
aluminum
siding,
should
be
removed.
The
applicants
have
removed
the
aluminum
siding
and
have
investigated
the
underlying
brick
in
a
number
of
area.
It
appears
that
the
brick
has
been
concealed
by
roughcast
stucco
and
siding
for
many
many
years.
D
According
to
the
applicants,
the
reconditioning,
the
bricks
is
cost
prohibitive
and
while
it
would
be
desirable
to
expose
all
the
original
brick,
it
really
is
unclear
how
long
these
bricks
have
been
concealed.
Their
removal
of
the
inappropriate,
siding
and
the
repair
of
the
stucco
will
have
a
positive
impact
on
the
Heritage
character
of
the
district.
The
limestone
of
the
at
the
rear,
the
western
elevation,
a
Russian
wall,
used
to
be
retained
and
left
uncovered
section.
D
5
of
the
district
plan
talks
about
additions
and
alterations
and
notes
that
roof
profile
visible
from
the
street
should
be
unaltered
unquote
and,
as
the
proposed
inset
deck
is
located
at
the
rear
slope
of
the
roof,
it
will
not
be
visible
from
the
street.
This
section
also
notes
that
the
replacement
roofing
should
be
compatible
with
the
age
and
architectural
style
style
of
the
specific
property
and,
as
noted
staffs
opinion,
is
that
the
metal
roofing
is
appropriate
for
the
style
and
age
of
this
building.
D
The
policy
goes
on
to
talk
about
Windows
and
notes
that
you
should
not
alter
the
location,
size
and
shape
of
existing
windows
facing
or
visible
from
the
street,
so
specifically
on
the
front
elevation
as
I
mentioned,
which
is
the
east
elevation.
The
applicants
are
proposing
to
alter
the
length
of
three
of
the
windows
two
in
the
ground-floor
one
of
the
dormer.
The
purpose
of
this
policy
is
to
protect
against
the
past
practice
of
taking
small
historic
window
openings
and
enlarging
them
to
suit
larger
modern
period
in
appropriate
type
windows.
D
Further
window
openings,
particularly
those
in
the
front
or
primary
facades
of
our
important
heritage.
Attributes
of
the
district
and
in
any
alterations
to
their
original
form
can
have
a
significant
impact
to
the
character
of
a
streetscape,
but
with
regard
to
this
specific
application,
the
height
and
placement
of
the
window,
openings
is
not
proposed
to
change,
and
while
they
are
on
the
front
facade
of
the
building,
they
are
set
back
over
20
meters
from
the
sidewalk
and
the
public
realm
on
close
inspection,
one
may
be
able
to
notice
the
change
of
the
windows
length.
D
However,
their
shape
of
our
as
noted
in
the
property
inventory
and
their
variety
of
sized
openings
will
be
retained.
The
current
building
includes
a
collection
of
openings
of
varying
sizes
in
a
variety
of
locations,
most
of
which
do
not
align
with
from
one
floor
to
the
next
and
are
not
spaced
evenly.
Given
all
of
this,
the
lengthening
of
these
three
particular
windows,
in
our
opinion,
will
not
impact
the
heritage
attributes
of
the
district
or
the
character
of
this
property.
D
Section
5
3
to
point
out
notes
that
one
should
avoid
replacing
hung,
sash
windows
with
casements
or
other
windows.
While
this
policy
direction
is
desirable
and
appropriate
for
a
19th
century
building,
especially
those
with
the
original
sash
windows,
the
subject
building
includes
a
mix
of
sash,
fixed
and
casement
windows,
currently
from
a
variety
of
eras.
The
applicant
proposed
to
unify
the
appearance
of
the
building
by
installing
all-new
multi-pane
casement
windows
in
a
gray
tone
that
matches
the
roofing
and
complements
the
Great
Green
tone
of
the
new
siding.
D
Given
the
eclectic
mix
of
architectural
styles,
represented
by
this
building,
the
use
of
the
of
either
sash
or
casement
windows
and
open
II
would
be
appropriate.
So
mr.
chair,
we
circulated
this
application.
There
are
a
number
of
comments
in
the
report.
Of
course,
building
permits
are
required.
Forestry
strongly
encourages
the
applicant
to
enlist
the
services
of
an
arborist.
D
When
looking
at
route
excavation,
the
planning
team
noted
that
a
minor
variants
application
will
be
required
in
order
to
address
a
number
of
non
complying
provisions,
including
setbacks
and
parking
requirements
in
the
zoning
bylaw
and
in
terms
of
the
comments
received
from
the
committee.
They
were,
they
all
noted
support
and
we
had
no
outstanding
concern,
so
you
should
share
the
recommendations.
Are
on
your
screen
and
there
are
a
series
of
conditions
which
take
up
a
whole
nother
screen
for
this
application.
Thank
you
good.
A
B
I'll
just
step
in
and
remind
any
members
of
the
public
or
people
on.
If
you
wish
to
comment,
you
can
use
the
raise
hand
button
at
the
bottom
of
the
list
of
participants.
If
you
don't
have
the
list
of
names
of
people
participating,
merely
go
to
the
bottom,
click
on
participants
and
then
you'll
have
that
up
so
we'll
give
them
a
few
more
seconds.
Mr.
chair
yep,
oh.
L
Q
These
windows
are
original
in
most
cases
or
the
openings
are
original
or
they've
been
there
a
long
time,
but
that
those
themselves
are
not
these
windows,
as
Ryan
mentioned
before,
are
about
over
20
meters
back
from
the
street.
The
appearance
would
be
the
same
as
the
aluminum,
clad
windows
and
these
windows
are
also
more
economical.
So
we're
asking
you
to
consider
changing
that
recommendation
number
six
to
permit
the
fiberglass
clad
windows
by
Marvin.
Q
A
B
B
D
Thank
You
mr.
chair
I
apologize.
If
you
hear
my
kids
yelling
in
the
background,
I
just
wanted
to
note.
The
purpose
of
that
condition
was
actually
with
relating
with
respect
to
the
mutton
bars.
It
was
actually
an
oversight.
The
applicants
did
in
their
application,
note
aluminum
cloud
or
fiber
clad
windows,
and
we
certainly
have
no,
which
are
actually
two
either
so
I'm
happy
to
to
change
that
before
it
goes
to
council
as
appropriate.
B
A
A
K
A
You
seeing
nothing
at
all
last
chance
there.
No,
no
okay
motion,
remembering
that
it's
cannot
be
amended
or
deferred,
it's
approved
or
otherwise
do
I
have
a
mover
of
William.
The
motion,
which
is
considerable,
the
recommendation
followed
by
the
nine
conditions,
the
second
day
I,
saw
Gary
first
of
all
counts
those
to
have.
F
F
This
building
that
in
question
right
now,
28
Mahlon,
is
a
prime
example
of
what
that
I
was
speaking
to
you
before
it's
sort
of
it
was
it's
served
as
an
accessory
building
to
building
on
Emily
Street,
and
it
wouldn't
exist
in
this
fashion
if
it
were
to
be
built
like
rebuilt
today
with
current
zoning,
and
so
that's
why
this
kind
of
thinking
there
should
be
a
bit
of
a
discussion
in
regards
to
site
planning
and
stuff
in
regards
to
heritage
context
anyway.
I
just
think
that
you
know
this
is
a
prime
example.
A
D
D
There's
the
row
I'm
gonna
go
with
skip
ahead
once
more
and
the
reason
for
designation.
It
is
designate
under
both
part
four
and
part
five,
and
it
was
built
in
1874
by
plans
by
well-known
architect,
John
power.
The
the
inventory
for
old
system
notes
that
63,
which
was
actually
the
owners
residence
he
built.
D
The
other
two
rows
for
his
kids,
has
some
stylistic
differences
from
the
others,
including
the
entranceway
reached
by
a
flight
of
stairs
with
semi
arched,
a
char
stone
and
simple
family,
and
so
this
application,
the
applicant,
is
seeking
approval
to
recreate
the
two-story
porch.
We
can
skip
ahead
to
some
of
the
plans
that
was
partially
removed
in
2018,
but
was
never
rebuilt
in
accordance
with
a
2015
heritage
permit
to
restore
the
building
in
response
to
a
recent
property
standards
order.
D
The
owners
are
preparing
to
recreate
the
two-story
wooden
porch,
which
was
previously
there
and
then
some
pictures
of
how
the
porch
has
changed
over
the
years.
So
it's
going
to
be
to
store
wooden
porch,
including
a
new
foundation
stairs
and
railing,
and
an
elevated
deck
with
a
roof
balcony
above
the
porch
will
be
constructed.
D
Pressure-Treated
wood
painted
white
and
again
in
terms
of
our
analysis,
we
we
rely
on
the
old
saddam
district
plan
for
guidance
in
this
case
and
section
4
point
3
gives
us
guidelines
related
to
the
conservation
heritage
buildings
and
notes
that
n
directs
that
original
versions
of
portrait
should
be
retained
and
restored
and
not
removed
or
substantially
altered.
If
it's,
it
further
notes
that
documentary
ever
didn't
evidence
should
aid
in
the
design
and
replication.
D
Is
not
encouraged,
photographic
evidence
confirms
that
this
main
entrance
porch
has
been
altered
over
time
and
likely
completely
rebuilt.
At
some
point,
the
detailing
of
the
existing
balconies
and
and
two-story
porch
on
the
western
terrace
show
a
variety
of
design
options
that
can
be
used
in
the
design
of
the
new
porch.
The
proposed
porch
takes
design
inspiration
from
the
existing
porches
along
this
row
and
follows
the
existing
pattern
of
wooden
two-story
porches
with
wooden
tickets
and
granule
posts
and
like
so.
We
support
this
application.
D
The
agents
that
were
circulated
noted
building
permit
requirements
and
coaching
permit
requirements,
given
how
close
to
the
street
is
isolation
of
the
power
lines
given
how
close
those
are
and
those
have
all
been
built
in
as
conditions
of
approval.
The
committee
was
circulated
and
noted
no
known
support
for
this
application
and
I
believe
our
recommendations
are
available
for
you
with
a
series
of
conditions.
You
have
any
questions.
Mr.
chair
thanks
good.
A
B
N
N
D
N
A
I
A
B
D
Ryan
Thank
You
mr.
chair
I
have
nothing
to
add
I,
believe
the
applicants
have
a
presentation.
This
is
an
opportunity
for
the
committee
to
hear
from
the
applicant
and
see
the
proposal
and
provide
comments
that
they
can
then
consider
and
incorporate
when
they
come
back
for
a
formal
heritage
permit
in
the
future.
Okay.
B
R
You
hear
me
we
didn't
hear
you
terrific.
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
I
feel
very
welcome
to
have
that
opportunity
to
address
you.
Of
course.
My
first
would
like
to
inform
you
that
this
project
that
we're
looking
at
is
only
possible
because
of
the
generosity
of
the
princess,
Street
United
Church.
Their
desire
to
continue
to
have
the
property
work
as
a
social
good
and
their
in-kind
donation
of
land
and
buildings
represents
a
1.7
million
dollar
donation
to
home
base
housing
home
base.
Housing
is
in
the
business
of
ending
homelessness.
R
R
R
The
site
looks
to
provide
a
holistic
approach
in
providing
as
much
support
in
various
areas
for
youth,
for
them
to
become
successful
in
maintaining
housing
and
moving
on
with
with
productive
lives,
and,
as
I
said,
if
we
want
to
end
adult,
we
have
to
end
youth
homelessness,
as
the
information
and
stats
show
that
youth
homelessness
tends
to
end
up
in
adult
homelessness.
If
it's
not
not
dealt
with
the
project
is
about
community.
It's
about
our
youth.
It's
about
continuing
to
deal
with
the
less
fortunate
in
our
in
our
community.
R
You
know
that
are
less
fortunate
than
ourselves.
It
has
an
aspect
of
a
cultural
center
and
community
youth
spaces,
including
for
the
use
of
the
public,
a
park
at
that
will
be
preserved
and,
hopefully
not
diminished
by
city
requirements
to
also
serve
as
a
public
gathering.
Space
heritage
is
more
than
just
buildings.
S
Some
things
have
to
you
have
to
balance
the
importance
and
the
values,
and
in
this
case,
looking
at
that
site,
if
looking
at
the
shape
of
the
site
on
a
corner,
Albert
and
Princess
is
constrained
and
the
primary
buildings
are
being
repurposed
and
they're
the
most
visible
aspect
of
the
the
church
itself,
the
serve
Edwardian
serve
Victorian
detailing
of
the
brick
and
the
stone
the
shape.
You
know
the
iconic
shape
of
the
the
church,
roof
and
everything,
and
then
the
the
building,
the
meeting
hall
building,
which
will
form
the
base
of
the
residential
building.
S
These
are
to
me
the
two
most
important
buildings
on
the
site,
as
you
think
about
the
manse
around
the
corner.
It's
an
looks
to
me
like
an
earlier
building,
a
fairly
common
type
of
sort
of
Victorian
residential
and
what
I'm
comfortable.
If
it's
suggesting
is
replacing
that
with
that
glazed
welcoming
entrance,
which
is
really
at
street
level,
it
provides
access
it.
It
speaks
of
access
to
the
facilities
and
it's
I
think
it's
more
important
than
we
then
reusing
the
brick
existing
building.
That's
there
also
from
what
I
can
see
and
understand
it.
S
We
couldn't
repurpose
that
building
to
to
provide
the
proper
access
and
entry
and
this
whole
Center
for
for
the
the
youth,
the
skills,
training
and
everything
so
I.
That's
how
I
can
support
the
demolition
of
this
based
based
on
the
community
benefits
that
the
rest
of
the
project
provides.
Thank
you.
A
B
I'll
just
yeah
what
I'll
just
ask
is
any
of
the
three
gentlemen
who
work
here
for
this
file.
If
you
want
to
respond
or
add
something
someone's
comments,
just
use
that
raised
hand
button
that
should
appear
at
the
bottom
of
the
list
of
people
participating
that'll
just
help
us
know
who
to
go
to
so
I'll
turn
it
back
over
the
chair.
Okay,.
J
Thank
You
mr.
chair
I
just
want
to
comment
how
excited
I
am
about
this
development
and
I
happen
to
have
the
privilege,
because
this
deputy
mayor
to
be
there
for
the
ribbon-cutting
or
the
opening
of
the
for
the
handover,
I
guess
so
anyways
I
I'm
just
so
so
pleased
I,
learn
to
get
chills,
seeing
this
project
move
forward
and
the
vision
that's
gone
into
this
tremendous
people
involved
and
all
credit
to
them,
and
you
know
the
history
and
the
legacy
of
the
people
of
Princess
Street.
J
You
know
it
will
continue
on
and
and
the
good
that
it's
going
to
happen
in
our
community
and
I.
Just
the
benefits
are
going
to
be
unbelievable
and
I.
Just
hope
that
we
can
help
us,
scored
it
through
and
be
a
terrific
structure
and
building
and
I
just
want
to
commend
everybody,
and
it's
so
exciting
and
I
love
to
see
a
carry
on
as
quickly
as
it
can
be.
Thank
you.
Thank.
O
E
E
E
And
but
I
did
also
want
to
just
say
that
the
view
from
Princess
Street
I
can
I
mean
it
looks
like
that's
the
stairwell,
but
I
just
wonder
if
it,
if
something
could
be
done
there
to
make
it
to
create
more
of
a
little
bit
of
a
crew
and
I'm
sure
and
I
appreciate
that
it's
particularly
a
project
like
this
has
a
tight
budget.
So
I
think.
K
R
E
R
E
E
Q
What
thing
what
is
happening
in
the
plan
here
as
s
Pierre,
said
the
windows
that
you
see
in
the
middle
are
in
the
corridor
and
the
elevator
lobby.
The
elevator
is
on
the
left
and
on
the
right
hand,
side
is
the
exit
stair,
and
so
we
can
take
a
look
at
that.
Perhaps
we
could
add
some
windows
and
the
stair.
G
Q
E
Thanks
for
that
and
I
appreciate
it
like
cost
is
the
you
know
it's
important
in
a
project
like
this,
because
construction
is
so
expensive,
so
I
certainly
don't
mean
for
my
comment
to
add
a
lot
of
cost
of
it.
It's
just
that
when
you
do,
we
do
need
to
think
about
the
streetscape
as
well.
So
thanks
for
considering
that,
but.
I
Committee
members
should
be
very
pleased
with
the
overall
plan
and
looking
over
the
comments.
I
made
I
think
there's
general
approval,
support
of
the
main
residence
building,
with
the
one
condition
that
the
siding
should
be
of
a
kind
of
subdued
color
rather
than
a
bright
color,
so
that
it
doesn't
detract
very
much
from
the
church
building,
but
the
I
think
for
this
committee.
The
big
problem
will
be
the
proposed
demolition
of
the
manse.
I
I
You
know,
inspection
by
qualified
people
as
to
whether
the
existing
manse
can
be
modified
to
serve
the
functions
that
are
needed
there.
My
impression
is
that
that
building
really
represents
a
rather
small
fraction
of
the
total
for
the
floor
sites
and
activity
of
the
whole
center,
and
so
there
should
be
room
for
flexibility
and
for
adapting
the
current
manse
to
to
do
provide
what
needs
to
be
provided
at
that
site.
So
you
know
I
guess
this
is
something
that
the
committee
will
have
to
look
at
in
the
future.
I
R
I,
thank
you
Don.
Through
your
comments,
we
certainly
took
those
into
consideration.
Reading
the
comments
that
were
presented
prior
to
the
meeting
I
have
investigated,
having
the
building
picked
up
and
moved,
and
it's
not
physically
or
crosswise
viable.
We
have
looked
tentatively
into
how
we
could
repurpose
the
building
and
expand
upon
it
restructure
it.
M
K
M
Okay,
yes,
I
think
this
is
a
really
worthwhile
and
exciting
project.
I
am
really
I
will
be
really
looking
forward
to
the
detailed
Heritage
impact
statement
which
I
really
feel
which
is
going
to
be
required
for
this
application.
I
think
that's
going
to
really
help
but
inform
us
and
to
help
us
make
a
choice
of
demolishing
a
heritage
designated
building.
M
A
A
B
R
A
We
go
on
to
e
the
2019
heritage,
Kingston
report
card.
It's
printed
in
your
agenda.
There
is
a
recommendation
that
the
2019
heritage,
Kingston
report
cards,
be
approved
as
a
summary
of
the
work
accomplished
by
the
committee.
Looking
for
a
move
are
for
that
before
we
can
discuss
it,
William
looking
for
a
second
eye
for
Bridget.
Thank
you
very
much
discussion
questions
on
that.
It's
a
requirement
of
council
that
we
produce
that
secretary.
He
did
it
evilly.
A
A
A
A
Know
No,
thank
you
for
the
effort,
because
it's
not
easy
and
if
we're
meeting
this
way
in
a
month's
time,
you
know
you're
all
no
experience
so.
Looking
for
a
motion
to
adjourn
this
meeting
and
I
see
the
counselor
and
Jane
McFarland
good.
Those
in
favor
enjoy
your
lunch.
Thank
you
all
very,
very
much.