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Heritage Kingston meeting from August 19, 2020. For the full meeting agenda visit https://bit.ly/3iZSEtn

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Welcome everybody. You can all hear me.

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So we are starting the august meeting. We have.

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Everybody present, with the exception of councillor oosterhof, from whom we have.

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Notice that he wouldn't be with us., you have an agenda. Do I have any.

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Additions to the agenda?.

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Seeing none, I look for a mover of the agenda as printed.

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William and the seconder councillor doherty.

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Further discussion? seeing none, then those in favor of the.

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Agenda? you can wave or do something and that we have a printed agenda. Then.

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The confirmation of the minutes of july, the 15th I have not heard of any.

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Corrections to this yet. are there any problems with it at all?.

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Don you need to unmute yourself. Oh there, you go., yes, I did send derek.

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Minor correction., I believe he has it. derek. Do you.

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Want to read it or shall I?.

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If you could go ahead don, unfortunately, don't have it up in front of me at the moment. yes,, it's at the bottom of page, seven.

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Where I am saying something like the rear glass addition.

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Would be unacceptable and instead of the words that are there, I.

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Think the more accurate words would be that I said that the.

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Proposed rear glass addition would be unacceptable. According to.

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The guidelines of any of kingston's three.

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Heritage conservation districts., thank you, so the rear, glass addition.

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Would be unacceptable according to any to the guidelines of any of.

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Kingston's, according to the guidelines, okay,.

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Of any of the three., the minutes as they stand suggests that.

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This property is in the conservation district.

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Which is not so that line then it's the last.

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Just before the moving and seconding mr taylor stated that the proposed rear.

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Glass addition would be unacceptable according to the guidelines of any of.

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The three heritage district guidelines.

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Okay and I'll confirm that, with you derek later that we've both got the same.

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Thing. any other suggestions, changes, errors?.

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If not, I look for a mover of the amended minutes, the corrected minutes?.

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Councillor doherty and seconded by don taylor.

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Further discussion?, seeing none those in favor?.

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Those opposed? we have enough hands there, so you have a set of minutes.

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Pecuniary interest any known at present on today's properties?.

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If not, my usual reminder that if anything does come up, please speak up as.

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As soon as you realize, where discussion is going.

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Presentations, I believe we do not have any.

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Delegations there none. briefings there are none.

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Business. cultural heritage policy- development.-.

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Heritage assets, there is none which brings us down to the.

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First application, 128 136 ontario street.

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And who's looking after that?.

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That would be mr. leary good morning. Mr. leary.

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Good morning, everyone.

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Yes,. Thank you mr. chair. This is a part 4 application.

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It's at 128 136 ontario street and includes the row of limestone.

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Commercial buildings. can we go to the next slide, please?.

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The property is on the corner of william and ontario streets.

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And if we can skip to the next one and see a picture of the buildings.

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So this is the aerial view of ontario and william street.

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Next slide: please., it's on the southwest corner.

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So the property is adjacent to, but outside of the boundaries of old.

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Sydenham heritage conservation district., so this is a part four application.

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The applications for the property that we're looking at is.

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The hardy's buildings, it's two buildings, actually.

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The hardy's buildings is 128 to 134, which is the.

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Three-Story building on the left. it was built in 1841.

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And connected to it is a two and a half storey.

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Building known as nicholson's meat market at 136, and it was built around.

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1842 so slightly after., so we can skip the next slide. Please?.

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We'll look at the culture heritage, value of this property, and this is the rear. Looking down.

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William street., so the next slide please.

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So this property was designated under part 4 in 1975. It was amended in 1976.

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I have specifically included only the attributes for hardy's buildings.

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As they are primarily the subject of today's application.

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The nicholson meat market building is proposed to have a new roof.

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But the alterations that we're looking at today are primarily on.

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The hardy's buildings, which is that three-story building.

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From 128-134., the attributes include the row itself with its gabled roof,.

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Corbels chimneys, parapets,, the 11 bay fenestration pattern,.

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The irregular pattern fenestration pattern on the ground floor.

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Including the two arch carriageway openings.

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And the eight bay rear fenestration pattern, which is noted as an attribute.

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So we'll keep that in mind next slide, please, as we go through the application.. This is the front of the.

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Building as you've seen from ontario street a heritage permit.

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Was approved by council for a very similar application.

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In 2013. that approval lapses after three years, so in 2016 it.

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Lapsed. the applicant is now wishing to.

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Reactivate that previous approval and get approval for for a very.

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Similar project., what we're looking at today, so.

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Looking at the front view ontario street side, the only.

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Alterations on this elevation are those four shed dormers. You can see.

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On the roof., they are to include a number of.

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Windows, clad in dark gray, cedar.

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Siding and a standing, seam metal roof. the central carriageway opening.

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As you can see on the ground floor, it's currently.

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A garage type door, it's to be converted to a person door.

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We call a tripartite person door with an arch transom, similar to the door.

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Arrangement on the south end of the building.

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Let me go to the next slide: please., the majority of today's application.

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Relates to the rear of the building, so I'll go through these quickly.

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The main change,, I would argue as a main change,, is the.

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Three-Storey addition to the rear has a gable roof.

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It's approximately 400 square feet or 37 square meters.

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It's to include a new entrance,, elevator and stairwell.

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The rear edition also includes two blind dormers.

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And it's to be clad in a gray, horizontal wood, siding.

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With a dark metal standing, seam profile, roof.

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Also on this elevation are four more,. Sorry, four balconies, as you can see,.

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Two on the upper floor and two on the second floor.

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Those are matte with black metal railings.

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To access those balconies, the applicants are asking to.

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Alter five of these rear-facing windows to accommodate doors.

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And they're noted on the plan as well.

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And on this elevation also is four more of those shed dormers,.

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Again, similar cladding and roofing as the front.

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And finally, the roofing on the entire building.

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Is to be replaced., the shingle roof is to be replaced with a standing.

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Seam profile, metal, roof and.

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As you can see on, the bottom right of the picture is a small one-story.

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Addition., it's currently a concrete edition and.

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The applicants are proposing to clad that in a horizontal wood siding to match the new rear, edition.

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These plans are prepared and attached to your agenda package.

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By michael preston, design., there is a cover letter,.

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An overview of the project prepared by the agent for the applicant.

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Mr markle from robert bourgon construction associates and in 2013.

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There was a heritage impact statement required for this project prepared by.

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Andrew hill,, a heritage consultant, and that too has been attached to your agenda package for reference.

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So, in terms of our review, the property is an important cultural.

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Heritage resource in the city. it reflects the past commercial use of this portion of ontario street,. This portion of the city. the owner is.

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Intending to renovate the building in order to accommodate a new expanded.

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Use while conserving the culture heritage, value.

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many other alterations proposed, have a positive impact on the.

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Cultural heritage, value of the property, including replacing the modern roofing.

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With period appropriate standing, seam roofing, cladding over a.

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Later concrete addition with wood, siding and converting a carriage opening.

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To a person door to better showcase that attribute.

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the subject, application includes a.

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Number of more substantial alterations, such as the.

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The eight shed dormers, the addition, of course, and the.

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Changes to the rear window, openings.

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In order to convert the attic space to a functional space for residential use.

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The applicant is proposing a series of shed dormers.. It's.

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Important to note that these dormers are set back approximately four meters or.

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More than 13 feet from the face of the building and are only one meter, tall.

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They won't be taller than the ridge of the roof and the dormers are to be clad.

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In a dark gray, like a charcoal, siding with dark roofing that matches.

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The new roofing of the overall building., the proposed.

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Height setback and color choice will allow the dormers to blend with the.

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Roof, while still conserving the original pitch profile of a gabled.

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Roof. turning to the addition, in order to.

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Meet the accessibility and safety requirements the applicant is proposing to construct this three-story addition.

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Again, as I noted it's for stairwell entrance,, an elevator.

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The new addition is to be clad in a horizontal wood, siding with a gabled.

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Roof that matches the roofing of the main building.

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The new addition, while it is three stories tall, will not be taller than the.

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Adjoining heritage building., it is proposed to be centrally located on the.

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Rear facade of the building in order to utilize the existing.

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Historic carriageway entrance as the main entrance point and.

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To minimize the appearance of the new addition along ontario and william streets.

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Comments were received from members of the heritage committee that noted that to help the new addition.

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Blend more seamlessly and not compete with the heritage.

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Building that the applicants should choose a light gray tone for the siding and the applicants have agreed to this.

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Recommendation., a condition of approval has been.

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Added requiring the applicants to provide a sample of their color choice to heritage staff for review and approval.

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So turning to the balconies, in order to provide outdoor amenities, space.

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The tenants of the new buildings, for the tenants and new buildings,.

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A series of new balconies are proposed: the rear of hardy's buildings.

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The balcony is it to be constructed of metal and painted black.

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To match the color scheme of the building and staff have included a.

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Condition of approval requiring compliance with the city's masonry policy. during construction of these features.

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And then, or of course, to access these balconies five of the rear-facing window, openings are proposed to be lengthened.

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And converted to doors. changing original openings.

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On heritage buildings,, particularly those noted as attributes,.

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Is never desirable from a conservation perspective,.

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However, the width of these openings and the rhythm of this fenestration pattern.

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Will be conserved and retained. further.

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These openings are located at the rear of the heritage building and not on.

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Either of the primary facades of this building.

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And when judged against the balance of all the extensive conservation.

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Efforts proposed by the applicant to retain the features of this building.

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Such as the carriageway,, the roof, profile,, etc.

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and adaptively, using this building with period appropriate materials.

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The alteration to these particular openings is considered acceptable.

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And will help conserve the overall character of this property.

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The proposed work will permit the proposed adaptive reuse of the property.

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While conserving and restoring its heritage, attributes.

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Planning staff are of the opinion that the proposal will uphold.

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The heritage conservation objectives of the city's official plan,.

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The ministry's guiding principles, and the federal standards and guidelines.

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We circulated this application to our technical agencies; planning team noted.

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That there is an active site plan, control application, respecting this.

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Addition and renovation that is awaiting heritage act, approval before final approval can be granted and a.

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Number of the technical comments that we received from.

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Folks, like building, environment, engineering and utilities, kingston.

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Will be addressed through that site plan control, approval.

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Process., the application was circulated to.

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Heritage kingston in two separate circulations, and we thank you for.

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For putting the time into reviewing both of those separately.

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The comments that we received have been included,.

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For both circulations, have been included on exhibit e.

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Of your agenda package and the responding members noted general support.

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For the proposed interventions. mr. chair.

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Staff recommend approval of this application subject to the conditions in our report and there are.

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Two slides for this recommendation., one that you see before you is the overall.

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Alterations and the second slide is.

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The conditions that we're recommending and I believe, the owner,.

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Ms. oliver and her agent, mr. markle, are.

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Here to answer questions if necessary,. thanks., okay, thank you very much.

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Ryan. committee members, questions? wave your hand and we'll.

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Acknowledge you., jane and then don.

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Yes, just a quick question about the windows in the dormers.

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Wondering what they're going to be? my preference would be traditional hung.

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Sash., I'm just wondering what the decision is.

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Do we have an answer there from anybody,.

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Chris or dijana? yes,, the windows.

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And the dormers will be consistent with the windows that have already been done so a, traditional wood window.. I don't.

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See any problem with either a single or double hung: sash they're, not very tall.

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So probably a a single sash would be fine.

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Okay, thank you. don taylor.

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I just noticed that the reference in the addition,.

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What were called blind dormers and I guess I should have asked.

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Why they're there. in general? It's not good to have kind of meaningless.

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Features on the roof, so I assume there is some.

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Purpose for those blind dormers at the top of the addition?.

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Mr. markle? absolutely, yes,, thanks for the question., the.

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Dormers are added to bring a little bit of natural light into the bedrooms in.

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That part of the development. sorry, no, this is the sort of elevator.

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And staircase edition at the rear.

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It's not,, I don't believe it's a residential.

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Part of the building and those dormers were called blind, dormers meaning I.

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Guess they have no windows.? I don't know if.

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Someone can produce a figure, but.

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Could you just check that again.

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Yes could could the host put the that elevation up on the on the screen.

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So everyone can see what don is referring. To?.

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Yep we'll have that up just momentarily we'll let the.

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Meeting post get that up.

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We're looking for the rear elevation slide here.

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In the concept plans.

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That's it,, oh back one,! No! No! That one james.

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No that's fine.

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Okay, go ahead. Mr. markle. right, okay,. I see I misunderstood the.

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Question I'm sorry.. Those will provide additional.

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Height to the elevator shaft, without.

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More or less making the top square. elevators need,.

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I don't have an exact figure because we haven't hired the elevator supplier, yet.

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And that'll be a fine point of design,, but at the top of the shaft you need a.

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Hoist beam and it typically projects,, I'm going to say.

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About a meter above the top of the travel path.

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So you need as much height as you can and the the idea there was to avoid.

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Going with a flat roof.

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Thank you. I understand, that's fine.

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Other questions?, if not I'm going to pick up one that don you mentioned in.

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Your dash report, because I was with you on that tour.

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And and dijana you'll remember, you showed us many years ago, some fascinating.

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Things on the interior upstairs. is there any chance that any of those will.

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Be retained and I know we're not talking interior, but it's really just an interesting question.. Yes, can you hear me? sorry? Yes, I can.

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The plan is to retain as much of the.

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Interior, like that wheel, remember the wheel,.

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The plan is to keep as much all of that as possible.. Okay,.

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Thank you very much. I know it's not part of this and I know you've already done.

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That in the rest of the building, so it's nice to hear that.

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Other questions about the application, as.

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Presented? mr. chair, I believe ms. harris has her hand raised her virtual hand.

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On the back,, based on the location, it looks like it's going to.

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Actually go over top of a portion of the existing.

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Concrete block- that's back there rather than being.

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Next to it and going in completely new- and I didn't see anything.

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In the paperwork about a change to the existing concrete block in order to put.

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In the new addition., I'm just wondering if I missed it or if.

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It's included somewhere in there?.

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Mr. markle? yes, there is a small area of demolition on the existing cinder block.

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One story edition to make room for the staircase.

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I'm sorry: where can I find that in the paperwork.

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Let me see if,.

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It's probably on our page thirty three,, no thirty two.

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Yes,, you can see on drawing number a3 the the outline of the cinderblock.

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Building shown dashed., it's not specifically called up for.

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Demolition but it's the same footprint as.

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The entire new exit stair.

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Right,, I just didn't think that it was stated within the paperwork that there.

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Is a section of demolition, as well as the addition.

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It's in the diagram, which is where I found it, but I didn't see it.

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Stated in text., probably not,, I don't think it was considered of heritage.

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Significance so it may not have been dealt with.

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Mr. chair, I believe mr. leary has his hand up and can add some more context.

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Thank you mr. chair. I would only add to the discussion that it is noted as.

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As mentioned in the slideshow on the site plan, a-1.

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You can see clearly where that portion be removed, and I think.

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The member is is correct. It's not specifically noted as a demo.

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I think it's been included as part of the overall alteration.

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Request here it wasn't pulled out specifically as.

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Our practice is not to highlight demos that are associated with an alteration.

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The demo process under the heritage act is.

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More for complete removal without a replacement, so.

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We've sort of wrapped it all into one package.

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Today, as part of the alteration application,, I hope that helps.

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Thank you,. Thank you, ryan,. Thank you for that. One zoe.

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I don't see other hands at present.

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Please wave or whatever, no. so members of the public?.

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Mr. chair, we do not have any members of the public in attendance at this time.

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Thank you., so we need a motion then, to move and.

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And a second. can be, amended, can be deferred if need be..

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Councillor doherty did I see you moving? thank you,, moved by councillor doherty,.

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Seconded by jane mcfarlane., further discussion?.

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Seeing none, those in favor? those opposed?. Thank you very much. Thank.

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You for that presentation, mr. markle and dr. oliver and good luck.

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We move on to macdonald park.

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1 king street east officially.- I can't remember,- is this amy?? Yes, this.

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Is ms. didrikson's file.

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Welcome. thank you, is my microphone.

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Working? okay, just fine for me, great.

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Yes,, this is an application under section 42 of the heritage act to.

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Undertake shoreline and landscape works at macdonald park.

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At 1 king street east., it's designated under part four and five.

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Of the ontario heritage, act. next slide, please, derek.

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Macdonald park is located along the shoreline of lake ontario,.

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South of the intersection with barrie street and king street west.

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This slide is just intended to highlight that the property does not include.

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Federally owned parcel around murney tower, which is known as 2 king.

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Street west., the subject site, contains the newlands.

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Pavilion and the richardson bath house. at.

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Right the cross of sacrifice among other commemorative monuments.

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The next slide is zoomed into the.

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Area of the proposed alterations, which will be located to the south.

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Of the richardson bath house in the area known as.

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Richardson beach. enhancements to the beach were identified as a top priority.

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In the waterfront master plan approved by council in 2016.

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Proposed alterations are intended to enhance shoreline protection,.

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Improve access and views to the water and to improve.

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The overall accessibility of this portion of the site.

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Next slide: please, derek.

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The park is designated under, or was designated, under part 4 in 1980.

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And 1984,, with an updated designation by law passed in 2007.

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The reasons for designation and heritage attributes of the park are extensive.

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The designation bylaws included, as exhibit b to the staff report.

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Specifically, relating to the park.

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The bylaw describes the contextual value as a place of open space and leisure.

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With important views of lake ontario and.

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Being defined by extensive public, open spaces.

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Including richardson beach, which include significant reserves of urban.

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Forest and link the area to the recreational opportunities of the.

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Waterfront., the property is also part of the old.

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Sydenham heritage conservation district and is rated as significant to the.

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District. next slide, please.

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The next few slides include photos of the existing site.. This is the the bath.

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House., it's important to highlight that the.

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Alterations, don't include any material change to the.

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Bath house building itself, but rather to the pathways and access stairs that lead.

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To the building from the shoreline and from the west.

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The next few slides, derek, if you don't mind,,.

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Include existing conditions of the shoreline., these were provided by the.

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Parks department.

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Illustrating,, actually in the one just before derek, sorry.

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The previous one.- I just wanted to highlight that the.

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The trees that are existing there on the south side.

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Will be retained as part of the proposal, two maples.

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The next few slides just illustrate the views from the east and.

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That's the west and central shoreline, there,.

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Existing conditions and then I think the next one is the.

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View towards emily street.

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And then the next slide derek.

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The next few slides illustrate the concept plans for the alterations.

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To the shoreline and access features.

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Staff reviewed the concept plans alongside policy in the sld.

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Sydenham hcd plan, the official plan and the federal.

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Standards and guidelines. the proposal avoids impacts to.

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Heritage attributes identified in the part 4 designation, bylaw and the.

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Features noted in the old sydenham plan, as well as to protec views that are.

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Detailed in the city of kingston official plan, including one down.

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Emily street and just to highlight in particular areas of archaeological.

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Potential and significance are mentioned specifically in the old.

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Sydenham heritage conservation, district plan for macdonald park and the archaeological potential of the.

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Site will be, or archaeology will be.

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Addressed through the the proposal by ensuring the proper.

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Clearances are in place before proceeding with ground disturbance.

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And conditions in the recommendation detail the remaining monitoring.

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Work and assessment work required, based on a review of the assessment work.

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Completed to date. next slide, please.

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This slide provides some further details on the changes proposed.

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These drawings were were uploaded to dash,. I hope everyone was able to access.

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Them. the changes include.

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Some wood loungers beside the reinstated concrete stairs at the south of the.

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Building and planters around the existing maples,.

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Accessible paths and lookout areas as well as steps into the water.

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Next slide: please, derek., here's a cross section of the pathway.

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Adjacent to the the richardson bath house and the.

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Cross section of the stairs to the water., an expansion joint is shown between the.

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Concrete landing and the bath house to avoid impacts with deferential.

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Settlement. next slide: please, derek.

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This slide illustrates a.

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Cross-Section of the wood loungers that are proposed to be built into the.

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Sloping shoreline, as well as the steel railing of the concrete steps which is.

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Proposed to be black., the wood loungers are not proposed to be.

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I think the next slide please, derek, is the recommendation in the in the staff.

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Report for approval, based on a review of.

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Applicable policy and guidelines., the scope of work is detailed in these.

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Six points.

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The scope of working includes the reinstatement of the concrete stairs in.

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The same location at the lakeside entrance., the need for.

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This replacement was questioned in the comments we received.

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From an hk member in the technical circulation.

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The applicant provided a response and that's included in.

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One of the exhibits to the report. I'm just explaining that the stairway will.

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Be impacted by the installation of the accessible ramps.

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Retaining portions of the concrete steps would be difficult and and costly.

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The full replacement will provide a consistent.

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Aesthetic and lifespan for this step and ramp assembly,.

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Was part of the explanation there.

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I could just move on to the conditions that were identified that are.

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In the next slide.

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Standard conditions are included with respect to works being undertaken in.

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Accordance with the sydenham heritage, conservation district plan and completing any required.

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Planning applications or building permits.

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The opportunity for heritage planning staff to review detailed plans submitted.

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As part of any required building, permit is included.

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As part of the technical circulation., the forestry department did request.

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Additional tree protection details and preservation plans and, as such a.

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Condition is included in in number eight.

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The opportunity for heritage planning staff to review the details is also.

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Included just based on the significance of the.

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Reserves of the urban forest identified in the attributes of.

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Macdonald park.

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On the next slide, derek.

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Conditions, 9 and 10 carry forward the recommendations from.

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The archaeological assessments, including.

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Monitoring in specific areas during excavation and.

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Clearance of a specific area detailed in the 2019.

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Stage 3 report and then any minor deviations from the plans.

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Which meet the intent of the approval and don't.

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Impact heritage attributes are recommended to be delegated to the.

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Director of planning, services.

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I'm happy to answer any questions that I can.. I understand. There's staff from.

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Parks development that submitted the application here as.

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Well.: okay, thank you very much,, amy.

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Committee members, questions?.

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Mr. chair just a reminder that this is a part, five application, so maybe we can go.

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It does, apologize. dash comments, okay, you're, right.,.

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Dash comments, did they get them? councillor doherty.

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I just want to say that I'm actually quite excited about this project.

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Giving giving the bath house life again and.

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I know a lot of people in the community are really excited so.

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I'm glad you're moving ahead with this. okay, thank you.

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Don and jane you were the ones that sent in comments.

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Are they correct?, seeing nodding from both of you, okay.

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Members of the public do we have any members yet?.

C

We do not mr. chair., okay, so we're going to committee members who have.

A

A

B

I just noticed a bit of inconsistency between the recommendations and the.

B

Conditions. recommendations say the wooden loungers.

B

Would not be painted and the conditions say that outdoor.

B

Wooden materials be treated for exterior exposure.

B

That's kind of vague, it doesn't necessarily mean paint.

B

But I'm sure they're not going to be sprayed with pentox or.

B

Something like that, if there's going to be contact with.

B

Bare skin and so on, so I think there needs to be.

B

Some attention given to exactly how that wood is going to be treated.

A

Amy,, do you want to try that one?? If I can just,.

J

Thank you mr. chair., to explain,. The condition is intended to carry.

J

Forward some direction and from the old sydenham heritage.

J

Conservation district plan., I think the intent overall is just to.

J

Avoid wood features deteriorating, not that.

J

This is a feature: that's that's existing or that.

J

It's necessarily.

J

Standard., I think its mainly intended to ensure,.

J

To preserve the maintenance, to assist in maintenance.

J

Going forward of the the wood. I didn't mean to cause any confusion.

J

Between the fact that I understand there is no intention to paint the wood.

J

And parks department might have more to say about that.

A

Anybody from parks want to comment?. We can maybe ask if mr.

C

Unsworth, any comments?, we'll just get you.

C

To unmute neal and see, if there's any additional information you can provide.

C

Us. there you go, go ahead: neal. hi, everyone,.

L

We do two or three different natural style: sealing methods on on outdoor wood.

L

This one's harder because people are going to sit on it in their bathing.

L

Suits so we want to make sure that it doesn't stick to them or is toxic.

L

Sometimes we'll use boiled linseed oil with a mixture boiled with terps and.

L

Shellac, real shellac powder, but this case that.

L

Will have a really strong smell with the terps, so we'll eliminate that, and shellac will stick to the our guests.

L

So we'll eliminate that., it's likely they'll do a linseed oil.

L

Application,, probably a couple coats and then let it dry.

L

The wood is not determined yet, but we're leaning towards fir.

L

For a combination of resistance to decay.

L

And ability to withstand some abuse from vandalism and not splinter on.

L

Your back of your legs., we're leaning towards fir at this.

L

Point,, but I think we'll be able to satisfy that condition, no problem, and make it appropriate and safe for.

L

Kids and swimming people, thanks. okay, thank you.

A

M

Hi there, thank you neal. That was great.. I was.

M

Just going to suggest, I think if you were to use a resin, rich wood.

M

Like hemlock or something you'd have good luck and you could use a.

M

More sympathetic and tolerant and preservative like linseed oil, so it.

M

Sounds like you already know what you're doing so good work,. Thank you very much., (inaudible).

L

Hemlock, we love to death,, it's cheap, durable,, relatively local, most of.

L

It comes from quebec, but anyways it's, we love it to death, but it shakes out.

L

Really badly and that can form a really nasty.

L

Splinter for little kids and their toes so we're trying to use hemlock in.

L

Some of our bigger beams and things that are above you know a little.

L

Bit less contact oriented, but no it's dynamite. That's why we typically go.

L

To the fir. as an alternate, we would go to.

L

Red cedar, but it just gets destroyed.

L

With vandalism,, so thanks for the comment.

L

They're timber based loungers, they're, not planks,. These are sort of three by.

L

Four and three by three timber loungers, so they're, fairly robust.

L

We e do put that in our arsenal of possible wood selections.

A

Great, thank you. jane? yes,. I just want to say thanks for your.

E

Response to my concern about.

E

Making these lounges sort of accessible to people who may have some mobility.

E

Issues- and I just hope, you'll consider that the.

E

Loungers are a really neat idea, but we need to make sure that.

E

Everyone is able to access them, thanks. good. I don't see any more hands.

A

Or anybody waving so,, where do we get to? committee members? Are.

A

Asking questions. final comments?.

A

Everybody had their say, last chance.. Okay. The motion then needs to be moved.

A

And seconded and it can't be amended at that point,, so I'm looking for a mover.

A

I won't read it all the way, through., william kelley,. Thank you very much and a.

A

Seconder? moya, you're sitting out in the garden.

A

Moya, lovely wow. moved then by.

A

William kelley, seconded by moya., I won't read the complete thing. You've seen it.

A

On the screen,, you have it in front of you.

A

those in favor? those opposed?. That then, is carried,. Thank you. Those who.

A

Presented, thank you city for working on the bath house and on the.

A

A

That moves us on to, when I turn the page, over, 15 mcdonald,.

A

Avenue, ryan: are you looking after this one?.

C

Mr. chair,, the planner for the file is ms. grant,.

C

And I also believe that the heritage planner for the.

C

Application is in attendance, mark gladysz.. I do.

C

Only see gillian wilson, who's also involved, but I'm thinking they may all be in the same room. So I'm going to unmute ms. wilson and perhaps they can speak, but I also see ms. grant has her.

C

Hand up so she may have an introduction, and then we can go to the the applicants. If that's okay, with you.

A

Yeah- and I just remind members that this is a pre-consultation report, we have,- we.

A

Don't get many of them, so there is no motion at the end.

A

You can make comments and they will be listened to. I'm sure.

A

Okay, go ahead, genise and we'll turn it over to the.

C

Applicants. great, thank you derek and through you, mr. chair, so I just.

N

Wanted to offer a little bit of an introduction, because I know this one is a little bit confusing and there's a lot of.

N

Moving pieces. yhis is a complex project that the committee.

N

Saw I think about a year ago for the construction of some new buildings at.

N

The back of the site. at that time there wasn't any detailed.

N

Works approved for the actual rectory building, which is proposed to be.

N

Converted into four dwelling units. based on the submission, I think that.

N

The committee and staff had a few questions, understandably about kind of.

N

What is proposed here and the timeline and what is being done so.

N

We thought that committee and staff would benefit from a pre-consultation meeting with the applicant just in order to have some of.

N

Those questions answered and be able to kind of flag any.

N

Additional information that's needed and just to confirm, there's no.

N

Recommendation being put forward today by staff,, we'll be taking all of the committee's questions and comments down.

N

And we'll be having a follow-up meeting with the applicant.

N

To make sure that we have the information that we need in order to make a subsequent recommendation, so you will be hearing from us in the.

N

Future on this we're aiming for september, but I think, depending on the.

N

Information we need we'll have to have discussions with the applicant on that..

N

If you have any questions for staff about process after the applicant makes their presentation we're happy to take.

N

Those but the applicant will be fielding questions specific related to the project and the planned works.

N

Thank you, okay.. I believe we have.

C

Labeled as gillian wilson online, but I'm going to assume mr. gladysz is there as.

C

Well. all right go ahead,, mark.

O

Good morning, , gillian and sandy wilson are here with me in their offices.

O

Today., thank you very much for making the time for us this morning.. I do want to start with some background.

O

Since late may, we have been proposing to get staff and heritage committee members.

O

To join us on the site to see the activity and to review the decisions that we're addressing and we've been unsuccessful.

O

In doing so, and that's perhaps due to covid-19.

O

Restrictions. regarding timelines, started work on this zba, well,.

O

Finalized work on the zba eight months ago and immediately after the site plan agreement was signed on june.

O

18Th, the owner was naturally anxious to begin. with the.

O

Zoning and the site plan agreements in place and $ 300 000 development charges.

O

Paid the owner is ready, roll., the construction.

O

Manager has experienced difficulties in securing skilled trades like santin masonry and semple gooder roofers and.

O

We've had difficulty securing a local architect, so we're so fortunate to have.

O

Sandy and gillian wilson with us to work on this project when they.

O

Joined us in june., since staff asked the.

O

Owner to stop work, sullivan construction has had to let two people go and workflow has been interrupted.

O

Obviously, these delays will affect when the rental units will become.

O

Available and owners are aiming for the end of the year and.

O

This could now be pushed back to mid-2021., we'll also lengthen,.

O

Unfortunately, the disruptive construction period affecting nearby homeowners.. It took nearly two months between the.

O

Building department, health unit and utilities to clear the.

O

Demolition permit for the parish hall and it was originally slated to be.

O

Demolished on june 2nd and was delayed until august 10th, and it's these kinds of delays that are wreaking havoc on the.

O

Project's timelines and schedules., it's important to remember that the.

O

Owner is ending the 13 years. This building has sat.

O

Vacant and deteriorating and the owner is spending $ 1.3 million on the.

O

Rehabilitation on top of the purchase price, so we're.

O

Asking this morning for approval to proceed.

O

With a number of items., I'm going to just kind of go through them and perhaps.

O

Derek we could go to the first slide.

O

Thank you. all the work to date on the exterior has been under the aegis.

O

Of maintenance and repairs outlined in the his addendum that.

O

Was submitted, and this is to ensure the building is weatherproofed.

O

Before interior work can begin., the interior is not subject to a.

O

Designation by law and has been removed to create four.

O

Apartments as permitted by the zoning and.

O

Removal of all designated substances, as outlined in the designated substances.

O

Survey and structural condition reports, which were also included in the addendum.

O

For your information. I'll just go over briefly the.

O

Different building elements to be repaired..

O

The first is the original slate roof which is being repaired and conserved.

O

With replacement slate units with no change in color materials or.

O

Design from the original., the new slates have been installed to stop the roof from leaking and as it is at the end of its.

O

Service life., the new repairs to this roof is.

O

About $ 50 000, as opposed to the construction cost.

O

Of a new state roof, which is about $ 300, 000.,.

O

On the next slide, please.

O

Chimneys are being repaired and conserved.. The southwest chimney is now.

O

Being assessed as being in much worse condition,.

O

After a detailed review by santin masonry.

O

We're putting scaffolding around it and it must be rebuilt.

O

As seen in the picture on the left.

O

You can see daylight through the chimney and there is very little mortar left.

O

Into bricks- and we initially budgeted about $ 25 000 to repair the.

O

Three chimneys and that we're way over on that now.

O

O

Okay,, so water penetration into the basement or the foundation is being.

O

Addressed and mason repairs were undertaken at less than 10 percent of the surface area has been repaired.

O

And the repointing of the masonry is undertaken in accordance.

O

With the city's policy on masonry, which santin masonry is.

O

Very familiar with. next slide, please.

O

This is just a picture of the interior, as mentioned that it has been.

O

Completely abated and interior finishes removed in order to prepare for the.

H

Reconfiguration of the space for apartments. next slide.

O

This is some images we did provide a.

O

Sort of a brief overview of the (inaudible) condition of the windows in.

O

The building- and this is just a variety of images.

O

Go on to the next one, please.

O

Regarding the windows,, which are not a listed.

O

Heritage attribute, the owner, is going with the advice from the required.

O

Reports and studies that have been undertaken and paid for,.

O

Both the hsc engineering noise study, which is a requirement of the city,.

O

And the concord engineering structural assessment, advise the owner on the need.

O

For external noise abatement with double glazed windows,.

O

To meet moecc standards., as well as commenting on the general.

O

Deterioration of the (inaudible) units and the presence of lead paint.

O

Throughout., this is a commercial application, so being energy efficient.

O

And maintenance, free, of course, is important to the owners..

O

A multi-residential building really can't be rented to tenants with repaired.

O

Single pane windows and lead paint on them facing a noisy.

O

Street in this condition- and we would expect this not to be.

O

Acceptable to prospective tenants. the owner has purchased new custom-made.

O

Vinyl windows, at a cost of approximately seventy thousand dollars.

O

And they have not been installed., they are in a storage container on the site.

O

And the example shown here we feel, looks good and the unattractive storm.

O

Windows that you see in the originals would be removed., I'm going to now turn it over,.

O

Next slide: please, we're going to turn it over to gillian.

O

And sandy to talk about the proposed edition and the veranda.

P

This slide shows the existing conditions of the veranda and the.

P

Addition. we propose to build on the existing.

P

Addition, above it, for a bedroom for the fourth.

P

Unit. we intend to keep the.

P

Addition and add to it, keep the footprint,.

P

Rather than shrinking it at all, so that we can keep the structure.

P

And do minimal demolition. on the next slide. You'll see the.

P

South elevation.

P

We're proposing to re-clad the veranda to match the new addition, which would be.

P

In a hardie board, wood style, paneling.

P

Which will stand up well to weather and.

P

Any kind of disturbance. you'll see that the addition.

P

To the left has a balcony set in which you'll see, there.

P

Are doors in the next slide that would lead to the balcony.

P

The balcony here is a little hidden, but there are,.

P

That top window on the addition is doors.

P

That would lead up to the balcony.

P

And the windows below are in the existing size of the garage door.

P

I believe the next slide is the north elevation.

P

Showing again, there is a small vestibule on the.

P

Back of the plans to match the addition and the veranda and.

P

A window that is the same size as the existing window in.

P

The garage., the last slide just shows.

P

Originally, in the plan there was a staircase,, an exterior.

P

Staircase, going to the window above the central door, that would.

P

Have blocked that full facade. that we've we've redesigned the interior to remove.

P

That staircase, so that we can have all the entrances and staircases interior to the building.

P

So we preserve that facade for heritage purposes and.

P

To keep the beauty of that side of the building.

O

I'll wrap up on what we're asking for today. we're.

O

Really hoping to,, you know, get feedback from the.

O

Committee and to hopefully achieve approvals for the.

O

Work, identified. actions were proceeding, so we.

O

Thought it was critical to get into seeing you.

O

Today and getting the materials before you for.

O

Your review., in conclusion, we all want the.

O

Same thing,, successful rehabilitation of this building into high quality rental apartments..

O

As so often the case circumstances alter.

O

Cases so startup construction has been difficult and the owners are.

O

Frustrated by experiencing repeated delays at this time and we've had some deficiencies that have been discovered.

O

Such as water, getting into the basement and one chimney that could potentially.

O

Collapse in the newly repaired roof, so frankly, you know the building.

O

Condition has proved to be more deteriorated than initially believed in budgets are now going into overages, so we are really happy that ryan is.

O

Coming to the site on friday, and we can review everything together.

O

Again, we're asking to proceed with the application and permits,.

O

Thank you.. Thank you very much mark and.

A

Gillian. rran: do you want to add anything at.

A

This point, or can we go on to committee questions?.

C

Mr. leary's unmuted himself, let him go.

C

I believe this is ms. grant's file and I'll let her.

D

Chime in if there's something., that's right,, I'm sorry genise. Do you want to.

A

Chime in at this point, or do you want to wait for committee comments?.

N

I don't think I have anything to add right now. If the committee has.

N

Any questions for staff we're happy to answer them.

A

Okay, thank you. committee, questions, comments?.

C

Mr mccartney has raised his virtual hand. Mr. chair.

C

Okay, matthew. thanks peter. was this a pre meeting like a.

M

Pre-Consultation? this is yes. okay,. So how does that work.

M

With them proceeding with a bunch of work that falls within the scope of getting a heritage, permit? I'll get genise to answer that one,.

A

G

Through you, mr. chair, I think I unlocked my microphone.

N

Or I couldn't figure it out.. I think ms. gummo has her hand.

N

Raised and wanted to address this question for the committee. okay,.

A

Andrea? thanky you, apologies for the confusion, there.

Q

We've been very clear with the applicants.

Q

That what work requires approval and what doesn't. we are asking them to.

Q

Come before the committee today to essentially get your feedback.

Q

So I think any observations you have or direction.

Q

For them at this point is valuable.. We do encourage applicants to always.

Q

Receive approvals prior to doing work. thank you. thank you,. So, as I understand.

A

It the work that has been done is the replacement of the slate tiles on.

A

The roof, that some chimney repair, some.

A

Foundation, repair and the buying, but not the installation.

A

Of new windows. is that right, mark?, that's correct.. Okay,.

A

So that's we're looking then, the.

A

Windows are off to one side, but we're wondering what to do with the slate.

A

Tiles on the roof,, the chimney repair,, the foundations, repair plus the general.

A

Design proposed ahead.

A

Okay, so again, questions and comments. don?.

B

Well, I guess I mean this is a rather confusing situation, but I guess.

B

We can have some sympathy for the applicant's.

B

Desire to go ahead with essential work and, as far as I can tell the work on the.

B

Roof and the chimneys is appropriate and.

B

The committee members will probably be comfortable with.

B

That work proceeding, but the committee cannot approve anything.

B

Here today, but in that sense, some of that work.

B

Might be considered, emergency work and staff could.

B

Perhaps give approval, for instance, for the continuing of chimney, repairs and.

B

B

Foundation, repairs and and so forth. So that's, I think, up to staff.

B

I said in general, these kinds of things look quite appropriate.. I guess what most.

B

Concerns myself and probably other.

B

Committee members is not so much work has been undertaken.

B

On the interior, and particularly the windows, and I would.

B

Like to emphasize that no one should be under the.

B

Apprehension that replacement of windows does not require approval.

B

Original windows of a heritage building are always.

B

Heritage attributes and I think the in the old designation.

B

Description, the fenestration,, the design and architectural values.

B

Statement mentioned the fenestration and, moreover,.

B

About a year ago, when it was clear that there were going to be substantial.

B

Renovations to the rectory, the heritage properties, working group.

B

Reviewed the description and came up with a new list.

B

Of revised list of heritage attributes.

B

And that has been in the hands of staff.

B

For a year- and it's certainly disappointing to me that.

B

Staff didn't immediately go forward to update the.

B

Designation and if not, that that the the details of that of the revised.

B

Attributes wasn't made available to the applicant.. It should be.

B

Clear to everybody just what's important.

B

In planning the renovations. just to emphasize nothing that.

B

I've seen from photos or from comments of the experts who have looked at this building.

B

Leads me to think that the windows need replacement.. I don't think they do.

B

The fact that some of them have been removed is not a bad.

B

Thing because it's maybe easier to.

B

Re-Putty and re-paint them when they're out of the.

B

Sash but this whole business of how the windows.

B

And the associated trim is going to be handled, needs to be.

B

Carefully looked at and I think it needs the assessment by.

B

Qualified windows, experts, of which kingston has.

B

Many and then that could come back to the committee for for approval.

B

I think I'll stop there, thanks.. Okay, thank you. I'll! Go back to matthew.

M

Hi there, thanks again peter., I'm gonna jump on a few of don's points.

M

As well just to drive them home., I think it's worth noting that.

M

I think the applicant suggested that single glazings weren't suitable.

M

It should be understood that there's been extensive research to show.

M

That a well-fitted storm to a single glazing actually performs better than a.

M

Gas filled., if you want to check into that roger hunt of the society for protection of ancient buildings,.

M

In conjunction with a welsh university, which I can't.

M

Enunciate their name, they have some good literature on that. If you want.

M

To reach out, I can put you in contact with that just for your own reference too,. So it's worth noting, so you don't just write them off.

M

Which kind of puts me onto my next point., similar to what don said kingston is.

M

Full of the countries most.

M

Well-Regarded millwork conservator, people who can comment.

M

On these sorts of things and not,, so somebody was trained in like.

M

Civil engineering. anyways, one other point that I think might be helpful.

M

Moving forward is, I was reading the the part about the.

M

Waterproofing, the basement from the inside is one important thing about that is that.

M

Your foundation is still, if there is a water problem, still exposed to water.

M

And so it doesn't really, it just solves the problem for interior finishes, but it kind of kicks the can down the road because you're still seeing water into the actual structure.. I would maybe think about.

M

Drawing more attention to that,, maybe trying to deal with it on the.

M

Outside or with grading on the outside, thank you.

M

Good, thank you,, matthew. william?.

H

Thank you so much,. Can you hear me?? Yes, we can. thank you.u.

H

I understand don's point.

H

And matthew's too, about the windows,, but I think we need to look at.

H

Some form of compromise in reference to energy efficiency.

H

I do listen to you, matthew, and you say.

H

Some type of storm over top of those windows might be.

H

Appropriate but I have to give them credit.

H

For the two windows that they did create for the total sum of seven thousand.

H

Dollars where they put the arch in and match them.

H

Specifically to the existing windows., when I see.

H

Something like that, it gives me hope that this is the continuous process they.

H

May do to replace the windows in an equal.

H

Manner of a more energy efficient design,, so I I like to.

H

Keep an open mind, and maybe we could compromise somewhat there, thank you.

H

Thank you., jane?.

E

Yes,, I'm going to comment on the windows and I'm going to refer.

E

To my response on dash., I really feel that.

E

An assessment and inventory should have been done regarding repair or.

E

Replacement., I'm going to refer to the policy on window renovations in.

E

Heritage buildings and also the standards and guidelines.

E

For the conservation of historic places in canada,.

E

4.3.5 re: windows, doors and storefronts.

E

It's not a foregone conclusion that new windows are going to be more energy.

E

Efficient or quieter than restoration and repair.

E

And what has happened to these windows does not follow those standards and.

E

Guidelines for historic places in canada. the ontario heritage, trust has.

E

Also, a very good article on window, rehabilitation and restoration and.

E

Guidelines that should have been consulted.. I still.

E

Feel that we need an inventory to decide,, it's.

E

Really unfortunate that these vinyl windows have been.

E

Bought and I wouldn't necessarily consider vinyl windows for.

E

A heritage property, either., perhaps wood interiors with.

E

Cladding would be a more appropriate choice.. I think the windows still need.

E

To be looked at whether or not they've been half.

E

Dismantled from the interior, and I'd also like to point out that.

E

Our heritage policy on window renovations and heritage buildings.

E

Includes the whole window, which is not just the exterior of the.

E

Window., the other.

E

Question I have with regarding the.

E

Link. I'm confused now,. It seemed today,.

E

The applicants seem to refer to not the demolition of the garage.

E

But adding onto it, so I would really like.

E

That clarified., my understanding, is that the garage is to be.

E

Demolished from the plans at least and then a new building built. So if the.

E

Applicant could clarify that that would be great, thanks.

P

At this time, working with the structural.

P

Engineer to confirm that the existing garage can stay.

P

In place and we will build the addition to the top.

P

But the garage will remain intact and we'll just clad it to.

P

Match to match the addition above.

A

Jane, you want to answer that and then we'll go on to andrea., jane.

A

You need to unmute., then I'm assuming you're going to be.

E

Sending new plans around that will reflect that, because what.

E

We're looking at,.

P

(Inaudible) the plans that I sent originally.

P

Had the original garage intact., then, why are we approving.

E

A demolition of that garage- or why is the demolition of that garage?.

E

That may have been a previous set, but as far as we came on board in.

P

June,, it's been our intention to keep the garage as long as the structural engineer, okays it, which I've.

P

They have it's just not writing yet. okay, we're going to need some updating on.

E

That, because, when I look at this description of proposal, it actually says,.

E

E

Demolish the existing garage on the site and replace the two-story demo.

E

Addition, so I feel like I'm not working with all of the information that I need.

E

To have in order to understand what you're.

E

Proposing here, thanks., okay thank you., andrea?.

Q

Thank you and through you, mr. chair, I just wanted to pick up on don's comments.

Q

About the heritage properties working group input on the.

Q

The designation here., I wasn't aware of that work, so ryan has now shared that.

Q

With genise- and I so we'll be having a look and we'll we'll follow up as needed,. Thank you for for identifying that don. good,. Thank you.

A

Andrea. matthew, I'm going to come back to you in just a moment, but does anybody else want to speak?

A

this matthew's second time around. councillor doherty?.

A

I've got you here, still matthew, don't worry.

M

Am I good to go? yes, councillor doherty.

K

You always have to wait until the unmute box, pops up.

K

My comment is about the garage.

K

And I understand that the applicant is seeking.

K

Input and which way to move forward. But I guess I'm just also interested in.

K

What other heritage committee members feel about.

K

This comment, so I'm just going to say that I'm learning.

K

That with heritage buildings, we really do want to not use,.

K

Not try to blend the kind of same materials, because we want.

K

To distinguish between the new structure and the heritage structure.

K

And I'm just wondering whether the new addition, including.

K

The porch is going to be fixed up and the.

K

The garage and the addition to the garage.

K

Would siding be not much more appropriate instead of a.

K

Reddish, brick, that will definitely not match the existing,.

K

Anyhow, so that's just a comment: I'm interested in hearing from other.

K

Committee members.

P

Did you say you want it to match or you don't?.

K

The idea is not to match it.

P

Yes and you'll never be able to match the the brick anyhow.

K

But I do notice that most of the addition.

K

You have a reddish kind of brick, at least in the drawings that you showed.

K

So the question is, would it not be more appropriate to use a different.

K

Material, like perhaps wood siding., the elevations show a horizontal.

P

Siding., the red brick, is only on the existing portion of the.

P

K

I think I agree with jane, then I think I need to.

K

Get a better idea of what their new proposal is,. Okay thank you.,.

A

Matthew back to you, then.

M

I just wanted to follow up on what william said.

M

I think it's also worth noting as far as energy efficiency.

M

Like the windows that are there, that building's, what early 20th century,.

M

Late 19th century?: it's had that entire lifespan and.

M

Like show me a vinyl window, that's older than 35 years., I think as far as energy efficiency. That's.

M

Like worth adding because those go.

M

In the garbage, they don't get recycled or you can't make repairs to.

M

Them,, so that was my point. okay,. Thank you very.

A

E

I mean if we're talking about new plans, they certainly need to go up on.

E

Dash so that heritage kingston members can review.

E

Them and I would like to also discuss the windows on the.

E

New addition or the revised garage and the configuration of those.

E

Windows., it seems like the windows in the heritage building.

E

Are single windows for the most part and I'm really concerned about the size.

E

And the double and triple windows that are more like picture windows.

E

Especially on the west elevation and I'm also concerned about the balcony, which.

E

Is on the street side, and I think it might be more private if it were on the baiden,. I guess it's straight up, as opposed to.

E

Mcdonald, so iim going to put that out there. I did put it on my dash comments, but it's.

E

Certainly,, we need to have an opportunity to look at these new designs.

E

And that needs to be posted on dash and then an opportunity to comment on those.

E

A

I've just seen don's hand go up,, don?.

B

If I could follow up on a couple of things., the idea of.

B

Keeping the garage and building, are you hearing me all right?.

B

Yep. is an interesting one. It's a new one, but.

B

I wouldn't rule it out, but one of the problems, of course,.

B

Is that you have this large garage door opening to be filled in.

B

Into windows of some form or another and so you're going to.

B

Have a problem matching brick with the garage brick and then.

B

There's the brick of the original building and.

B

The whole thing could look really inappropriate unless.

B

Some careful design is is done so that.

B

The siding of this addition is acceptable with the main building.

B

Anyway, we look forward to further information on that. a couple of.

B

Other points., it was really.

B

Regrettable that the interior has been gutted and.

B

The excuses that everything contains lead.

B

And you know, that's really unfortunate that that's happened.

B

All of us grew up in houses with lead paint and I don't think we're.

B

Visibly suffering. many of us spent many hours.

B

Scraping and painting those wooden features and again I don't.

B

Think, we've survived,. So unless.

B

There's a prospect of new tenants spending a lot of time.

B

Chewing up the siding and so on, sorry, not siding,, but the door.

B

Trim and so on, it could have been left in place and another coat of paint.

B

Put on top of it., it's really unfortunate that that's been.

B

Lost but one particular thing I want to point.

B

Out that I noticed, it's on page 209.,.

B

It refers to a window opening on the west.

B

Side of the building,, I think it opens into the veranda.

B

And it says the lower part of the building of that window.

B

Has been closed up for privacy concerns.? That is really unacceptable.. That is a.

B

Window opening, an original window opening, and.

B

By no stretch of the imagination is it acceptable to change an.

B

Original window opening without approval of the committee and so.

B

If you need privacy for that window,.

B

You could put interior shutters in or some other thing.

B

But that window opening must be restored.

B

To what it was supposed to be, thank you. mr. chair, we have hands up from.

C

Ms. grant as well as the applicant, so perhaps we can go to ms. grant first?.

A

Thank you and through you, mr. chair, I just wanted to follow up on jane's and.

N

Councillor doherty's comments related to the elevations and what's available.

N

I think, because of when this was circulated and the report was finalized.

N

There were previous elevations that were included in those and we'll make sure that any updated elevations are put in dash.

N

And I want to confirm that the committee will be recirculated.

N

On this application, again.

A

Thank you very much. mark or whomever at wilson's?.

O

Thank you, mr. chair., just to touch on a couple of things,.

O

Particularly I'll just go back to don's comment that that is an existing.

O

Window in that picture that had been stopped up by the.

O

Archdiocese many years ago., that's not our work,. We intend to uncover.

O

That work with a new window, that was the intention there, just to clarify., also totally understanding.

O

Some of the points around the windows,, however, the key concern identified in.

O

The noise study was the noise levels off.

O

King street west., the study indicated that.

O

Decibel levels are in 55 to 65 during the day at 50 to 60 at night, and these.

O

Do not meet moecc guidelines.. We have to meet.

O

Those guidelines for the comfort of tenants, etc,.

O

So that was kind of the primary driver around the window replacement is that in.

O

Order to achieve that, we need to double glaze, etc. Those.

O

Windows., I think, there's a little bit.

O

Of clarification needed and maybe gillian, can jump in or sandy about the addition,. Initially we.

O

Had looked at removing the garage, but I think we.

O

Found a way of working with the existing structure and re-planning it. That was.

O

The intention of this latest set of drawings is to.

O

Work with these a sound foundation and walls.

O

And then augment it with a new siding, windows, etc.

O

Exactly so we're going to take what is existing and rather than demolish it and.

P

Rebuild it we're going to build on top of it for.

P

The bedroom and balcony which we're going to.

P

Hopefully take advantage of the views to the south, which is why we put it on the mcdonald street side. Instead of to the north.

P

As well as we're going to clad the entire, the.

P

Existing red brick of that garage is going to be.

P

Covered with the wood siding,, the wood siding.

P

So matching the brick below those windows won't be.

P

An issue I hope that clarifies mr. chairman, some of those.

O

Kind of disparate elements that we talked about today., if there's any.

O

Other questions we're happy to answer,, otherwise you know we look forward to seeing ryan on the site on friday.

O

You can go over everything with him and detail out next steps.

A

I've got one question coming from matthew and then I'll just do a summary,.

A

If that's okay, matthew?.

M

I just want to comment on the noise level thing.. I recently tackled this.

M

In a project as well and the solution we came up with was we.

M

Took out the single glazing, rebated, the sashes, so you kept the sash, and then.

M

Installed double glazing,, they met those requirements,.

M

So there's multiple ways to get to that: it's not just a wholesale replacement.

M

Thank you. any last thoughts on this otherwise, genise.

A

And ryan, I think you've heard concerns.

A

If you, or at least one of you, is going to the site on friday, you'll be able to.

A

Talk about them, then, particularly about the work that has been done and whether.

A

It is acceptable or not and to talk through.

A

The other other changes- and I presume then come back and post on.

A

Dash revised plans or changes or whatever.

A

Comes out of that. genise, does that sounds, though. That's.

A

The next step?.

N

Yes,, thank you through you, mr. chair., we will be following up with the applicant.

N

On what we've heard today and you should be seeing revised plans and then the.

N

Subsequent report on this one. okay,, thank you very.

A

Much mark and wilsons for this.

A

We'll be thinking and we'll be watching and everything and those of you who.

A

Haven't visited the site, maybe should, in the next little while and just see it again. back to our agenda,.

A

I believe we are now at working group reports.

A

And I don't believe there are any, derek? that is correct, no working group.

C

Reports. emergency approvals and ryan, I don't.

A

Believe there are any?, I can confirm, there are none., that's.

A

Right., we had no motions, but we are asking for.

A

Notices of motion- and I believe, don you- have a notice of motion?.

B

Yes, I prepared a notice of motion for.

B

Proceeding with designation of the oddfellows block.

B

Derek has just posted it.

B

So you can see it before you and below the motion.

B

Is a description of property that I took out of the.

B

Heritage impact statement from the last meeting so.

B

Committee members will have a chance to look at this before the next meeting.

B

I should say my original hope was to have it come forward at this meeting,.

B

The clerk informed me that a week's notice week's advance notice.

B

Was required for this, and this is something that maybe we need to.

B

Discuss under other business, mr. chair, if we.

B

Could. sorry, mr. chair technically other.

C

Business is not for movement of significant business.

C

It is for announcements, so there will be a chance for full discussion of this at.

C

The september meeting.

C

That is just my advice. As the clerk., we have a real question: here, though,.

A

A

Not being able to put motions until the agenda is printed and then.

A

It's too late to put forward motion so there's a serious discussion that needs.

A

To be made., I don't think it's appropriate at this point, but at some point the committee or and probably the city.

A

Clerk need to just clarify how all this works, but at.

A

Present then we have a motion. We had it on the screen. It's moved by.

A

Don seconded by jane dealing with the oddfellows.

A

Block and asking for it to be considered for.

A

For designation., can we get that back up on the screen?.

A

Mr. chair, just to clarify the purpose of notices of motion, is,.

C

Don has stated his intention to bring this motion, and now it will be brought forward at the september meeting, as he has.

C

Submitted it, so it's not appropriate for any further discussion to happen of the substantive motion. Here.

A

Could we see it though, please,? Otherwise we have to wait a month.

A

Before we even see it., it will come out on the agenda the week before the meeting.

C

But yes, james can share it and I can commit to you to discussing this.

C

Further and providing clarification as to how motions are to be presented.

A

The motion to designate 239 241, princess and 179 sydenham.

A

Street as a property of heritage value pursuant.

A

To section 29 of the ontario heritage act and that will come up for discussion at the september meeting.

A

Correspondence? none.

A

The next meeting september 16, either this way or maybe some.

A

Other way. derek, however,, you may not be with us- do.

A

You want to explain: what's happening? yes, thank you, mr. chair., this.

C

Actually is my last meeting as the clerk for the committee.. I will be moving to a new role with the city on.

C

September 14th, so I still will be helping put together the agenda for the.

C

Next meeting, but this is my last official meeting,, so thank you.

C

All for the last two years and we'll be leaving you in good hands.

A

Formally, if you can put in the minutes our thanks to you, I'm sure can you all.

A

Wave that you want to thank you going into yes, thank you very much,. Thank you very much,. I appreciate that everyone. good.

A

And looking for an adjournment and seeing william making the move to.

A

Adjourn and a second. jennifer. Thank you very much,. Thank you.

A

All, enjoy the rest of the day and thanks for all that, you've done.

A

Thank you, visitors.