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Housing and Homelessness Advisory Committee, meeting from February 25, 2021. For full meeting agenda: https://bit.ly/3dOkKbJ
B
A
B
A
Yes,
so
part
of
this
meeting,
so
it
is
a
special
meeting
and
basically
I've
called
it
in
order
to
establish,
hopefully
establish
a
working
group
to
review
the
terms
of
reference
for
the
committee.
But
these
meetings
have
a
very
formal
process
and-
and
basically
that's
going
to
be-
that
everything
will
be
reviewed
as
part
of
a
hopefully
a
working
group.
C
D
Madame
chair,
I
do
believe
that
counselor
neil
is,
is
correct
there
in
in
terms
of
of
other
business.
We
really
do
have
an
obligation
to
members
of
the
public
to
make
sure
that
we
are
giving
every
opportunity
possible
to
attend
the
meetings
and
to
be
able
to
speak
to
the
matters
that
are
addressed.
However,
you
know
miss
white.
If
miss
wife
has
some
questions.
If
she'd
like
to
make
a
statement,
that
is
definitely
within
the
procedural
rules
to
do.
C
E
No,
that's
no!
No
problem
at
all.
I
really
appreciated
what
you
said,
because
it
took
me
a
while
to
learn
that
as
well.
I
got
frustrated
at
the
very
beginning
when
I
joined
not
just
this
committee,
but
others
too,
but
I
couldn't
just
bring
concerns
forward
where
to
me.
It
just
made
sense
that
we
just
discussed
this,
because
it's
through
discussion
that
we
we
move
forward,
but
it
is,
as
counselor
neil
just
said,
it
gives
the
everybody,
including
the
public,
an
opportunity
to
participate
in
those
discussions.
So
it
actually
does
make
sense
how.
E
Having
said
that,
when,
on
the
on
today's
agenda,
is
the
communication
that
we
receive
from
crystal
wilson-
and
maybe
some
of
the
similar
concerns
will
be
brought
up
by
ms
white
and
do
we
ever
discuss
communication,
or
do
we
just
receive
communication?
I
guess
that's
a
question
to
the
clerk
because
I'm
still
learning
to
andy.
D
A
B
We'll
move
over,
can
I
just
ask
one
question
then,
so
I
kind
of
understand
it
a
little
bit
better.
So
I
can
prepare
questions
that
I
will
pass
to
everybody
or
it
will
it
go
through
the
elizabeth?
Will
it
go
through
to
elizabeth
and
then
it
will
be
be
dispersed
to
the
committee.
Well,
the
mechanisms.
A
So
when
we
introduce
new
business
as
an
item,
for
example
at
this
meeting,
it
would
be
in
form
of
a
statement
or
new
questions,
and,
and
certainly
it
can
be
reviewed
following
that,
and
potentially
you
know,
depending
on
the
business
added
as
an
item
either.
You
know
a
report
from
staff
or
a
new
motion
from
a
committee
member.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
again,
correspondence
can
be
discussed
within
the
context
of
the
business
item
itself,
so
if
there
is
an
element
within
that
correspondence
that
a
member
wishes
to
bring
up
during
discussion
under
the
business
item,
that
is
permissible,
it
is
just
not
discussable
or
debatable.
During
the
actual
correspondence
section
of
the
agenda.
C
A
No,
that's
perfect.
That's
very
good!
Thank
you!
Okay!
So
then,
we'll
move
to
approve
the
agenda.
Can
I
have
a
first
thank
you.
Michelle
and
second,
I
saw
counselor
neil
and
all
in
favor,
please
or
anyone
who's.
Not.
I
think
I
see
all
hands
perfect,
so
we'll
move
forward
then
to
confirmation
of
minutes.
Now
there
are
no
minutes
to
be
confirmed
until
the
next
meeting.
So
we'll
move
right
over
to
disclosure
of
pecuniary
interest.
A
A
F
Thank
you
so
much,
madam
chair.
Can
everybody
hear
me
yes
awesome?
So
I
did.
We
do
have
some
slides
that
I
would
ask
there
we
go.
Thank
you
so
much
so
so
today,
obviously
at
this
special
meeting,
we,
we
staff,
created
a
report
between
the
clerk's
departments
and
housing
and
social
services
departments
to
to
basically
request
or
recommend
to
the
the
current
terms
of
reference
of
this
committee.
F
So
on
the
next
slide,
there
we
go
and
in
addition,
as
you,
as
you
might
have
seen
in
your
package,
we
also
have
added
any
info
reports
that
we
we
also
officially
starting
april
8th
at
the
next
official
or
next
meeting
with
a
standing
agenda
item
or
standing
report.
I
should
say
that
will
provide
you
with
an
update
on
the
various
kind
of
elements
of
the
housing
and
homelessness
division.
F
I
think
this
way.
We
hope
that
that
you
would
have
a
good
understanding
of
the
various
elements
that
we're
working
on.
You
know
we,
we
obviously
talk
a
lot
about
specific
items
in
in
the
portfolio,
but
again
we
also
have
learned
that
there
is
some
opportunity
to
improve
communication
and
have
more
information
shared.
So
this
way
by
creating
a
standing
agenda
item
or
sending
reports
with
with
updates,
will
also
allow
the
committee
to
then
you
know,
have
a
conversation
about
items
so
today.
F
So
the
current
the
terms
of
reference
of
this
committee
and
the
current
mandates
is
really
focused
on
providing
advice
to
city
council
through
the
arts,
recreation
and
community
policies
committee
regarding
housing
and
homelessness,
related
policies,
directives,
strategies
and
as
well
to
support
with
the
implementation
of
the
10-year
housing
and
homelessness
plan.
So
obviously,
that's
a
very
broad
statement
and
and
something
to
to
obviously
kind
of
further
discuss
and
process.
G
F
Are
pressing
inputs
on
the
mandate
and
the
structure
and
kind
of
the
committee
as
a
whole?
So
obviously
you
know
what
the
content
of
the
terms
of
preference
would
also
speak
about,
how
the
reporting
structure
looks
like,
and
currently
the
committee
is
reporting
to
the
arts,
recreation
and
community
services
committee
and
then
goes
to
council
we're
currently
meeting
four
times
a
year.
G
F
H
F
Things
or
or
like,
for
instance,
adding
this,
this
standing
agenda
item
with
the
updates
every
meeting
and
are
making
some
changes
in
the
way
we
that
we
work
with
this
committee
so
in
the
next
slide
that
that's
kind
of
the
the
quick
kind
of
introduction
of
the
report.
That's
in
front
of
you.
What
we
also
identified
in
in
the
reports
is,
as
I
mentioned,
that
we
would
like
to
introduce
this
ongoing
update
for
you.
F
F
F
F
I
would
gather
open
up
the
integrative
care
hub
as
a
new
facility
in
in
our
community
and
also
as
part
of
academic
response,
and
we
have
a
temporary
overflow
on
broad
streets
funded
by
the
united
way,
and
I
I
will
say
that
there
is
a
report
going
to
council
next
week.
That
will
also
request
to
continue
with
the
integrated
care
hub
a
little
bit
longer,
so
we
can
actually
continue
to
to
do
the
much
needed
kind
of
stabilization
of
clients
in
in
the
integrated
era.
F
F
The
family
shelter,
for
instance,
has
some
families
that
are
currently
staying
in
hotel
and
depending
on
kind
of
the
client
and
the
process.
We
do
have
the
ability
to
again
through
our
partners
and
and
depending
on
clients,
ability
and
the
support
that
the
partners
can
provide.
We
can
can
also
work
on
that
so
on
the
next
slide
and
I'll
try
to
keep
this
in
10
minutes.
F
F
We
now
have
a
much,
I
would
say
more
scalable
model
with
in
a
local,
motel
and
amhs
has
been
supporting
clients
that
cannot
access
the
shelter
because
they
might
be
exhibiting
covalenting
symptoms
or
if
they
are
coming
from
out
of
top
town,
and
today
they
have,
there
have
been
over
50
individuals
referred
and
three
positive
cases
has
been
have
been
able
to
self-isolate.
So
you.
B
F
As
I
mentioned,
we
have
a
weekly
calls
with
the
outbreak
management
team.
We
also
have
ongoing
surveillance,
testing
of
clients
and
staff,
and
there
is
a
vaccine.
Obviously
a
vaccine
rollout
that
we're
all
waiting
for,
but
the
congregate,
living
and
kind
of
the
shelter
settings
have
been
identified
as
a
as
a
high
priority.
So
we're
hoping
that
again.
F
F
F
We
have
been
able
to
engage
with
a
lot
of
different
partners
with
clients.
We
also
have
been
using
data
that
we
have
gathered.
For
instance,
over
the
summer,
when
folks
were
in
bell
park,
we
also
have
actually
been
able
to
work
with
a
professor
that
works
both
in
kingston
and
say,
hamilton
or
waldalu.
I
always
get
them
mixed
up
and
has
also,
at
the
same
time,
time
doing
some
really
great
research
and
has
done
a
lot
of
engagement
with
clients
and
partners.
F
The
other
piece
that
I
would
like
to
highlight
is
mirror
also-
and
this
is
obviously
very
closely
connected
on
an
encampment
framework
or
an
encampment
strategy.
This
is
actually
a
motion
that
came
from
council
in
2020
and
we
are
working
with
our
internet
internal
departments
and
also
with
our
external
partners,
making
sure
that
we
have
a
good
strategy
in
place
that
will
support
clients
and
also
we'll
have
some
clear
kind
of
steps
in
place
around
encampments.
F
F
This
allows
us
to
identify
trends
and
make
better
evidence
informed
decisions
to
better
serve
our
homelessness
members
of
the
community
and
again
it
gives
us
a
better
handle
on
on
the
inflow
and
the
outflow
in
the
system,
and
it
gives
us
much
better
data
on
you
know
gender,
where
people
are
coming
from
how
they're
being
referred
and
we've
recently
started
with
a
better,
I
would
say,
wraparounds
kind
of
case
management
system
as
well,
where
we
can
actually
attach
services
to
people
that
are
undermining
this
on
the
next
slide.
This
is
actually
new.
F
F
F
For
housing-
and
we
have
about
a
thousand
people
right
now
on
the
social
housing
waitlist,
but
also
when
they
are
actually
housed
so
kingston
france
and
housing
corporation,
which
is
a
large
larger
provider
in
our
community.
This
has
just
launched
a
supportive
housing
or
supportive
services,
pilots
that
will
share
a
little
bit
more
votes.
We
are
also
working
on
provider
training,
for
instance,
in
the
indigenous
black
indigenous
people
of
color
or
trauma-informed
training.
F
F
F
F
We
also-
and
this
is
still
a
bit
of
a-
we
still
have
to
wait.
What
is
going
to
happen
with
the
provincial
bill
bill
184,
but
we
also
will
have
an
opportunity
to
look
at
finances,
other
additional
phps,
additional
vent
supplements
or
look
at
more
mixed
income
buildings.
So,
for
instance,
sometimes
we
have
a
social
housing
building
that
has
only
rent
here
to
income
units.
Sometimes
it
makes
sense
to
flip
some
of
those
rdi
units
to
market
units
and
then
add
phps
in
the
system.
F
So
we're
kind
of
it's
almost
like
this
big
puzzle
where
we
are
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
make
the
best
use
of
our
funding
and
continue
to
serve
clients
and,
like
I
said
we
will
come
back
to
you
with
a
full
report
on
the
eighth.
So
next
slide
real
quick.
I
mentioned
this
already
before
I
flipped
to
the
affordable
housing
components.
F
F
It's
been
again,
it's
just
been
rolling
out
of
the
last
few
months,
so
we
don't
have.
We
again
would
always
obviously
come
back
with
you
with
some
some
data,
but
one
great
example-
and
I
know
this
was
not
a
good
example,
but
you
might
recall
that
there
was
a
fire
in
verona
in
early
january
and
and
this
actually
through
this
program
they
were
able
to
have
their
staff
and
and
their
really
kind
of
support
the
clients
and
then
it's
through
through
this
process.
Obviously
that.
F
F
We
have
27
rights,
which
is
under
construction
and
we're
hopeful
that
they
will
be
able
to
have
occupancy
by
the
end
of
this
year,
we're
also
working
through
13,
16,
13,
18
princess
streets,
which
will
add
80,
affordable
work,
basically
94
new,
affordable
units
to
the
community
and
and
market
units.
In
addition,
and
then
we
have,
we
have
been
funding
through
provincial
dollars
last
year
through
the
home
for
good
program
funding
towards
a
a
new
development
on
484
albert
street,
which
will
add
a
transition
when
supported
housing
for
youth
to
the
community.
F
As
you
also
recall,
we
have
two
supportive
housing
acquisitions.
We
have
the
lower
union
street
location,
that's
currently
being
used
by
the
youth
shelter
and
we
have
the
facility
in
a
stands
which
we
will
be
releasing
an
rfp
for
and
hopefully
the
first
week
of
march,
and
then
we
also
have
a
few
other
programs.
So
we
have
a
home
ownership
program
where
actually
in
2020,
we
were
able
to
have
allow-
and
it's
not
a
super
high
number,
but
it
still
adds
to.
F
F
We
also
provide
the
opportunity
for
those
individuals
that
are
interested
in
providing
a
second
residential
unit
and
they
live
in
their
own
home
and
are
adding,
for
instance,
a
basement
apartments.
We
are
able
to
support
them
with
those
costs
as
long
as
they
maintain
that
units
as
an
affordable
unit.
That
program
has
not
been
as
successful
again,
it's
probably
because
of
some
of
the
requirements,
because
we
only
had
one
project
approved
in
2020..
F
F
But
this
is
the
highlight
we
are
there's
a
obviously,
we
quite
often
get
involved,
unfortunately,
in
some
boarding
challenges.
So
we
are
part
and
we've
kind
of
reestablished
with
our
partners
the
boarding
coalition,
which
is,
as
you
can
see
it,
has
our
team,
instant
fire
and
sq
police
housing
amss
to
really
develop
more
of
a
boarding
response
protocol
in
the
community.
F
To
really
make
sure
that
they
have
a
good
understanding
of
rights
and
responsibilities,
and
we-
and
I
know
this
is
obviously
not
necessarily
like
everybody-
will
go
online
and
read
on
twitter,
but
there's
many
other
ways
that
we
that
we're
sharing
this
information
through
our
partners.
But
we've
tried
to
be
proactive
with
some
tenant
rights
in
network
rights,
communications
and
the
last
part
is
that
we
are-
and
this
is
came
out
obviously
of
our
10-year
plan.
F
F
A
A
Once
we
have
finished
questions
under
this
section
of
briefings,
we
will
again
be
able
to
ask
questions
under
business,
and
that
is
also
following
the
committee
being
able
to
ask
questions
of
ruth
where
I
would
ask
if
there
are
any
members
of
the
public
present
to
be
able
to
to
also
ask
questions,
and
members
of
the
public
are
also
welcome
to
speak
up
to
five
minutes
in
order
to
ask
their
questions.
So,
do
we
have
any
questions
from
our
committee
members?
If
I
could
see
some
ants.
A
C
By
a
millisecond
beating,
counselor
doherty
the
hands
up,
that
was
an
excellent
presentation.
Thank
you
ruth.
Could
you
make
that
slide
deck
available
to
the
committee
through
our
clerks
and
possibly
to
the
mayor
and
council
as
well?
That
was
put
a
whole
lot
of
information
together.
I
appreciate
that
a
couple
of
quick
just
a
couple
of
quick
questions,
lily's
place
going
from
17
to
12..
C
C
Yeah,
I
can
ask
them
all
at
the
same
time.
My
other
question
was:
I
just
received
a
email,
20
minutes
before
this
meeting
asking
me
if
there's
a
where
we
would
recommend
as
a
warming
center,
and
I
would
assume
that
it's
on
montreal
street,
but
is
there
other?
I
know
during
the
day
there's
the
public
library
when,
when
we're
open
and
elsewhere,
but
24
7,
do
we
just
have
the
one
warming
center.
F
Through
you,
madam
chair,
so
thank
you
for
those
questions.
So,
first
of
all,
ladies
place
and
same
with
all
the
other
shelters,
the
reduction
in
capacity
is
really
because
of
the
invest
infection
prevention,
control
measures,
so
the
intent
is
that
all
facilities
would
go
back
to
their
like
quote-unquote
original
capacity,
including
the
displays.
I
will
say,
though,
and
I
think
that
this
is
again
something
that
we
see
across
the
board.
F
The
epidemic
has
certainly
raised
a
lot
of
questions
around
the
way
we
do
manage,
shelters
and
that
we,
the
way
we
create
converted
living
environments.
There
are
pros
and
cons
to.
I
think,
both
and-
and
it's
definitely
something
that
we-
that
we
want
to
keep
in
mind
moving
forward,
because
you
know
there
might
also
some
it's.
You
know
for
some
situations,
it's
better
to
look
at
individual
rooms.
In
some
situations
it
might
not
be
a
good
decision.
F
So
short
answer
is
it's
temporary
the
reduction
again?
That's
why
we
do
have
things
like
an
overflow
and
obviously
integrated
care
hub
for
libby's
place,
because
it's
families
or
there
are,
as
I
mentioned,
more
families
that
are
using
a
hotel
at
this
point
to
to
make
sure
that
we
have
have
those
supports
in
place.
F
Your
question
about
the
warming
sensor,
yes,
you're
correct
at
this
point:
the
integrated
care
hub
is
the
only
24.
7
warming
warm
place.
We
do
have
again,
it's
it's
all
bits
and
pieces,
but
we
do
have
to
test
to
your
points.
The
libraries,
even
you
know
our
building
here
at
362
montreal
during
the
day
downtown.
F
E
Thank
you
and
through
your
madam
chair,
so
I'll
just
keep
it
to
three
questions,
although
I
have
lots
more,
but
I
don't
want
to
take
up
too
much
space.
So
my
three
questions
are
about
the
engagement
process,
the
encampment
strategy,
as
well
as
a
john
howard
society
project.
That's
currently
taking
place
that
I've
been
attending
with
the
engagement
process.
I
wonder
ruth
if
you
could
share
actually
before
I
really
start
with
my
question.
E
I
just
want
to
really
thank
staff
because
you're
really
on
the
receiving
end
of
a
lot
of
criticism
and
concerned,
but
that
criticism
comes
from
concern
and
caring
from
the
community.
So
I
totally
understand
where
it's
where
it
comes
from.
There's
a
lot
of
frustration,
because
a
lot
of
people
in
our
community
are
actually
suffering,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
you
guys
were
are
wearing
it
all
on
your
shoulders,
and
I
really
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
and
that's
not
an
easy
position
to
be
in
there's
a
lot
of
frustration.
E
A
lot
of
this
comes
because
we
actually
need
more
support
from
other
levels
of
government,
but
it's
here
on
the
ground
in
our
community.
It's
where
it's
hitting
us
actually
that's
my
fourth
question
that
I
had
so.
I
will
ask
that
question
at
first
actually,
and
that
is
the
restrictions
with
the
province,
for
example,
rent
geared
to
income
they,
that
is,
that,
has
a
specific
number
of
spaces.
E
F
Well,
thank
you
to
you,
madam
chair.
Well,
first
of
all,
thank
you
for
the
recognition
I
mean
we.
I
think
we
all
care
about
the
same
things
and
I
think
we
all
have
different
rules
and
I
think
the
frustration
that
people
feel
I
will
tell
you.
We
all
feel
frustrated
because
I
think
we're
just
really
trying
to
navigate
the
things
that
we
can
and
the
things
that
we
can't
control
and
we
certainly
have
things
that
we
need
to
do
better.
F
I
think
as
a
community,
and
but
I
appreciate
that
very
much
so
your
question
about
the
rgi
restrictions.
So
we
can.
We
can
do
everything
we
want
as
long
as
we
have
2003
units
and
we
kind
of
hits
that
service
level
standards
or
agreements,
I
should
say
that
that
might
also
change
in
the
future
that
that
number
was
has
been
there
for
20
plus
years
and
obviously
it
doesn't
align
with
the
actual
core
housing
needs
in
our
community.
F
The
question
is
obviously,
how
much
do
we
want
to
spend
or
how
much
do
we
can
we
spend
on
this
as
a
as
a
municipal
government
like
it's
a
it's
a
decision?
I
think,
because
the
more
units
or
the
more
benefits
that
we
add,
it's
obviously
adding
to
the
operating
dollars
because
of
the
housing
social
housing
budgets.
F
What
we
do
know
is
that,
for
instance,
and
to
your
points,
we
are
providing
more
than
2003
units
or
2003
benefits,
or
some
of
the
programs
that
we've
there's
a
lot
of
grandfathering
in
of
different
bits
and
bots
and
bits
and
pieces.
So
we
are,
we
are
providing
more
than
203
kind
of
units
or
supplements,
but
I
think
again
we
need
to
kind
of
look
at
like
how
much
do
we
need
and
how
much
would
we
be
able
to
funds
from
our
municipal
portfolio?
F
Last
thing
I'll
say
about
that
is
that
we
do
have.
We
have
seen,
obviously,
with
the
introduction
of
the
portable
housing
benefits,
that
they
are
cheaper
than
the
bricks
and
mortar
maintenance,
but
there's
also
benefits
of
having
still
those
fix
and
water
projects
as
well.
So
it's
trying
to
again
and
we've
only
been
introducing
those
benefits
over
the
last
two
years,
and
so
it's
it's
trying
to
see
what
works
for
what
kind
of
population
so,
for
instance,
with
the
portable
housing
benefits,
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
people
that
are
now.
F
You
know
at
the
end
of
their
wait
time
on
the
waitlist
and
they
have
the
ability
to
take
a
benefit
and
those
folks
that
that
choose
that
quite
often
are
actually
housed
somewhere
that
they,
where
they
want
to
stay,
they
are
just
paying
much
more
than
they
should
be
paying
based
on
their
income.
So
it's
it's.
It's
definitely
all
possible.
As
long
as
at
this
point
we
are
hitting
our
target
with
the
province.
E
Well,
with
engagement-
I
just
maybe
we'll
just
keep
it
general
is
we've
heard
a
lot,
and-
and
I've
also
raised
this
past-
that
we
do
need
to
bring
the
lived
experience
to
the
table.
It's
a
really
important
voice,
and
when
we
do
so,
we
also
have
to
make
sure
that
it's
accessible,
because
people
don't
always
have
technology
and
but
it's
a
really
really
important
voice,
but
also
our
community
groups
and
advocacy
groups,
and
I
think
more
of
a
collaborative
effort.
E
Just
you
know,
there
are
probably
examples
in
other
other
municipalities
that
have
done
this
again.
I
was
on
at
a
meeting
last
night
from
the
social
planning
council
and
they
had
a
couple
young
people
university
students
from
nova
scotia
there
and
and
a
person
from
our
from
queens.
Speaking
about
engagement
processes
too,
like
there
are
a
lot
of
people
we
can
reach
out
to
who
have
tried
different
models
such
as
even
the
process
that
conversation
what
the
process
will
look
like.
F
No-
and
I
I
appreciate
that,
but
I
mean
again,
we
we
obviously
have
amazing
communication
staff
that
help
us
with
engagement
and,
and
we
it's
definitely
something
that's
on
our
radar
to
make
sure
that
we
engage
with
the
appropriate
people
that
actually
we
don't
want
to
do
something
without
engaging
the
right
people
for
sure.
You
know
and
then.
E
That
was
the
same
question
actually
with
the
encampment
strategy
just
to
make
sure
we
have
that
and
then
the
then.
The
other
question
was
the
john
howard
society
project.
That's
currently
taking
place
and
it's
titled
from
prison
to
homelessness
and
I
think,
there's
opportunities
to
engage
with
corrections,
canada
to
see
what
kind
of
preventative
kind
of
measures
we
can.
You
know
jump
in
on
as
a
city
and
and
help
support
that
project.
F
Yeah
I
appreciate
that
we
do
have
a
relationship,
obviously
with
the
john
howard
society,
just
like
with
many
other
partners.
I
am
because
of
the
role
I'm
in
part
of
some
provincial
conversations,
including
members,
for
instance,
the
attorney
general
and
solicitor
general
attorney
general.
I
always
get
mixed
up,
but
but
there's
definitely
a
lot
of
pieces
there.
Around
discharge
planning,
there's,
obviously
also
a
different
approach
between
the
federal
institutions
and
the
provincial.
F
I
think
the
changes
in
covet
with
a
lot
of
bail,
hearings
or
hearings,
but
moving
to
online
there's
a
lot
more
unexpected
discharge
happening,
which
is
obviously
a
strain
in
the
system
as
well.
So
I
don't
I'm
going
off
on
attention
here
a
little
bit,
but
certainly
that
is
on
our
radar
and
where
we
can
help
as
a
city,
we
would
be
glad
to
to
do
so.
A
B
Like
to
say
yeah,
I
just
like
to
say
the
idea
looks
amazing
and
going
into
the
future.
I
hope
this
actually
does
work
and
create
something
that
we
can
all
move
positively.
A
couple
of
questions
I
do
have
where
ridley
is
concerned.
I
thought
the
rfp
had
already
gone
out
and
there
was
a
lot
of
people
not
interested.
B
B
I
would
also
like
to
know
how
can
people
who
are
still
dealing
with
this
situation
able
to
get
funding
to
get
a
motel
room,
and
the
final
question
is:
where
do
two
women
go?
Who
are
over?
One
is
in
the
age
of
70,
the
other
one
in
their
late
60s,
who
are
homeless
and
afraid
to
actually
go
into
the
shelters.
Where
do
they
go.
F
Thank
you
for
those
questions.
I
may
actually
call
upon
joanne
in
my
in
my
department
as
well
who's
on
the
call.
So
the
question
I
will
start
and
then
I
will
probably
have
joanne
jump
in
on
the
kind
of
system
of
the
hotel.
I'm
not
sure
how
I
can
respond
to
your
last
question.
I
think
the
reality
is.
F
We
do
have
a
shelter
system
and
and
again
I
know
there
might
be
people
that
may
not,
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
want
to
access
the
shelter
system,
but
that
is
kind
of
the.
You
know
the
avenue
that
we
as
a
city
are
are
able
to
fund
and
provide,
and
I
cannot
speak
to
specific
scenarios
but
again
happy
to
again
talk
about
those
offline
as
well
or
have
joanne.
F
For
the
warming
center
again,
we
we,
as
I
mentioned
last
year,
we
started
with
the
the
warming
center,
which
was
the
first
time
we
actually
as
a
city
funded
a
24
7
warming
center.
In
addition
to
our
shelters,
we
now
have
the
integrated
care
on
montreal
street,
which
is
available,
24
7
and
then,
as
I
mentioned,
we
do
have
other
other
facilities.
F
I
mean
at
this
point
again.
That's
that's
has
been
our
involvements
and
yeah.
I
I
I'm
not
sure
if
I
can
answer
why
we
are
not
at
adding
another
24
7
warming
center.
We
we
have
provided
all
these
services
and
again,
I
think
it
goes
back
to
the
broader
community,
the
the
ability
of
of
of
of
having
appropriate
resources
and
appropriate
staffing
models
in
place
to
to
kind
of
provide
all
those
services
for
me
moving
forward
so
again
happy
to
to
further
have
that
conversation.
F
I
think
we
just
lost
andy
for
a
little
bit
for
the
hotel
piece
again,
and
I
will
ask
you
man,
maybe
to
speak
to
that.
We
do
have
the
option
again
for
people
to
to
if
they
are
accessing
the
system
and
and
they
have
they
are
able
to
kind
of
receive
the
supports
in
the
hotel
every
day
there
is.
There
are
some
opportunities,
I'm
just
going
to
hand
it
over
to
joanne,
because
she
she
can
speak
students.
I
Yes,
thank
you
ruth
and
through
you,
madam,
madam
chair,
the
hotel
piece
start
my
video
sorry,
the
hotel
question
does
come
up
quite
regularly
and
I'm
not
sure
if
people
are
aware,
but
even
in
other
jurisdictions
and
municipalities,
when
hotels
are
being
utilized
as
an
example
in
durham
toronto
places
like
that
people
aren't
just
being
put
into
hotels
and
motels,
there's
a
staffing
component.
That
goes
with
that.
I
So
what
we
have
to
do
is
is
balance
two
very
distinct
pieces.
We
have
to
ensure
that
the
individuals
that
require
shelter
are
offered
shelter,
supports
and
services,
first
and
foremost,
because
that's
where
we're
able
to
ensure
that
they're
getting
24
7
support
and
assistance
and
if
they
do
need
to
to
be
put
into
hotels.
So
as
an
example
because
lilly's
places
capacity
has
diminished
quite
significantly,
we
do
have
some
families
that,
through
lilly's
place,
are
in
motels
at
this
point
in
time
and
are
being
supported
by
staff.
I
So
we
again
we
do
use
hotels.
I
think
this
year
alone,
as
far
as
singles
go,
we've
had
over
25
or
30
individuals
who
have
accessed
hotels,
but
it's
not
a
program.
There's
no
hotel
program
that
the
city
runs.
What
we
request
is
that
individuals
do
attempt
to
to
go
to
the
shelters,
to
talk
to
staff,
to
get
an
assessment
to
ensure
that
they're
linked
up
with
the
right
safety
and
support
mechanisms
and
the
shelter
has
had
capacity.
I
I
know
a
lot
of
people
want
to
argue
that
it
doesn't,
but
the
reality
is
that
this
shelter
has
had
capacity
and
when
they
don't,
they
can
then
make
those
decisions
as
to
whether
or
not
individuals
are
suitable
for
motels.
So
that's
the
motel
piece
and
andy
to
your
further
points
around
the
two
individual
women
who
don't
feel
or
don't
feel,
ready
or
able
or
willing
to
access
the
shelters.
I
would
be
suggesting
that
they
contact
the
housing
help
center,
because
there's
a
myriad
of
services
out
there
as
an
example.
I
The
prevention
and
diversion
workers
at
home-based
housing
should
be
able
to
assist
people
who
choose
not
to
go
to
shelter
with
other
options
and
other
support.
So
they
can
at
least
talk
to
those
individuals
be
able
to
provide
them
some
information
and
then
brainstorm
with
them
about
what
other
services
and
supports
might
meet
their
needs.
Thank.
B
I
kind
of
lost
connection
with
everybody
for
some
reason
on
the
first
person,
I'm
not
too
sure
what
happened
there.
I
still
feel
that
a
warming
center
should
be
opened
for
those
people
that
still
need
it,
whether
there's
any
men,
mental
health,
physical,
any
type
of
issue.
There
needs
to
be
another
warming
center
open
so
that
people
can
get
in
there
and
then
get
the
organizations
in
to
go
and
ask
see
what
they
need.
B
There
are
still
too
many
people
laying
in
doorways
and
hanging
around
the
hub
because
they
can't
get
in
so
that's
about
it.
For
me,
right
now
like
say,
the
the
slide
presentation
was
good
and
I'm
I'm
hoping
that
things
will
develop
so
that
when
winter
comes
people
will
not
have
to
suffer
like
they
are
suffering
right
now
I
appreciate
everybody's
impulse.
Thank
you.
G
So
I
just
have
a
couple
of
questions:
what
happens
when
someone
is
homeless
and
they've
done
their
part,
a
for
the
social
housing
registry
and
when
the
annual
like
they
have
an
annual
review
that
comes
up
and
they're
unable
to
be
reached
because
they're
abroad
they're
on
the
streets?
They
don't
have
a
cell
phone.
G
F
Through
you,
madam
chair,
thank
you
for
that
question.
That's
an
excellent
question,
so
I
will
be
very
honest.
I'm
not
you
know,
I
don't
know
all
the
steps
in
place,
but
I
do
know
that
we
we
are.
Definitely
we
have
opportunities
to
reinstate
people
if
they
do,
for
instance,
and
and
it
doesn't
mean
that
they're
losing
their
spots.
F
What's
what
we
are
all-
and
I
just
referenced
that
in
my
presentation-
we're
certainly
we've
certainly
been
using.
You
know
an
approach
again
that
was
kind
of
came
from
the
past,
where
we
were
really
focusing
on.
You
know
actual
mail
like
letters
that
we
were
sending
to
people
expecting
that
that
would
you
know,
be
opened
and
reviewed.
So
we
are
very
aware
of
that.
We
are
also
again
revisiting
how
we
are
actually
going
to
you
know
what
we
expect
from
people
at
that
annual
review.
F
So
it's
a
really
defining
question
because
we
are
actually
I
mean
we
don't
want
to
make
people
ineligible
because
we
didn't
hear
from
them.
But
that's
not
that's
not.
We
don't
want
to
be
in
that
position,
but
it's
more
about
how
do
we
then?
Yes
find
a
way
that
we
might
give
somebody
a
call
or
again,
with
with
our
shelter
partners,
find
a
way
that
we
actually
have
have.
H
F
Opportunity
to
touch
base
with
the
client
on
the
phone
and
have
a
you
know
a
system
in
place
where
we
get
through
a
couple
of
questions,
so
we
know
we're
actually
talking
to
the
right
person.
So
it's
a
great
question:
it's
something
that
we're
also
working
on
on
on
making
more
client
focused
because
again
administratively,
it's
also
not
really
a
it's
a
process
that
we
shouldn't
really.
We
would
rather
spend
time
on
the
phone
with
somebody
just
doing
rather
than
bugging
them
with
paperwork.
G
F
So
the
portable
housing
benefit
is
basically
this.
It's
it's
it's
a
new
feature
or
let
me
rephrase
so
if
I
apply
for
the
social
housing
waitlist
a
few
years
ago,
I
would
select
what
buildings
I
would
be
interested
in,
for
instance,
let's
say
I
want
to
be
on
maggots,
so
in
addition,
so
now,
in
addition
to
the
actual
buildings,
I
can
also
identify
that
I
would
like
to
be
eligible
for
affordable
housing
benefits.
F
We've
seen.
Definitely
that
there's
more
people
still
interested
in
units
versus
the
portable
housing
benefits.
So
again
we
don't
have
enough
not
enough
time
yet
that
we
can
really
assess
how
long
it
takes
to
wait
for
that
portable
honey
benefits.
But
that's
that's
how
we,
how
you
can
kind
of
picture
it.
F
I
will
say
not
to
make
things
more
complicated,
but
we
also
have
affordable
housing
benefits
in
partnership
with
the
province
that
is
specifically
for
domestic
violence
survivors,
so
those
are
prioritized
so
there's
a
couple
of
different
components
there,
but
for
the
kind
of
new
portable
general
portable
housing
benefits
that
is
really
the
way
to
kind
of
access.
Those
really
through
the
social
housing
weakness.
A
So
I
I
will
note
regarding
the
terms
of
reference
review
and
it
also
sort
of
links
back
to
the
correspondence
that
we'd
received.
So,
for
example,
we
might
want
to
rethink
the
committee
composition
in
regards
to
indigenous
representation.
So
that's
the
type
of
thing
as
well.
That
is
going
to
be
reviewed
by
that
working
group.
A
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I'm
just
going
to
remind
the
members
of
the
public
who
are
with
us
this
afternoon.
If
they
wish
to
speak
at
this
time,
they
will
need
to
use
the
raised
hand
function,
that's
located
in
zoom.
You
can
find
that
by
moving
your
mouse
over
the
window
and
it's
located
at
the
bottom
of
your
screen
and
madame
chair.
H
Hi,
it's
colleen
garrow,
I'm
with
the
ymca
of
eastern
ontario.
It's
the
first
time
that
we
have
joined
in
to
observe
one
of
these
meetings,
and
I
just
wanted
to
thank
ruth
and
her
team
very
much
for
that
really
good
presentation.
It
was
very
thorough
and
gave
us
a
lot
of
information,
and
that
was
really.
My
only
comment
was
to
thanks
very
much
for
that.
J
Hi
good
afternoon,
everyone-
it's
tina
bailey
here,
and
I
also
it's
my
first
time
popping
in
on
one
of
these
meetings.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity,
just
thought
I'd
ask
and
if
it's
not
appropriate,
I
can
follow
up
with
ruth
individually
after
I'm
just
trying
to
reconcile
what
I'm
hearing
anecdotally
with
some
of
the
statistics
about
the
the
vacancy
rates
showing
that
the
shelters
are
49
to
88
vacant.
J
So
I'm
just
wondering
what
the
time
frame
for
that
was,
if
there's
any
correlation
to
the
weather,
etc
and
wondering
if
there
are
also
stats
about.
If
and
when
how
often
people
are
turned
away
and
why
that
is
if
it's
for
a
capacity
you
know
lack
of
capacity
issue
or
if
they
don't
meet
the
criteria,
for
example
violent
behavior,
you
know
intoxicated,
etc,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
that's
part
of
the
reconciliation
of
the
different
perspectives
of
if
our
shelters
are
full
or
not.
F
Through
you,
madam
chair,
thank
you
for
that
question
that
tina,
so
I
will
ask
joanne
to
jump
in
here
as
well,
so
the
the
number
is
an
average.
So
again
we
the
percentage,
might
be
a
little
off
or
off
as
in
it
might
not.
You
know,
show
the
the
picture
again.
It's
I
think
it's
over
a
six-month
time
frame
that
we
that
we
measured
it
and
there
is
a
bit
of
a
it's
a
it's
an
average.
So
it
might
not
give
you
a
really
good
picture.
I
Thank
you
ruth
and
through
you,
madam
chair,
so
turn
aways.
I
mean
it's
certainly
a
stat
that
we
look
to
try
and
capture
in
our
reporting
documentation
when
service
providers
are
updating
their
statistics
and
you're
right.
There
are
absolutely
turn
aways
from
shelters
and
organizations
throughout
the
community
that
tends
to
be
as
a
result,
as
you
mentioned,
of
either
violent
behavior
or
an
inability
for
one
to
care
for
themselves
or
others,
and
in
that
instance,
there
would
be
a
diversion
potentially
to
a
safe
bed
or
to
emergency
or
somewhere
like
that.
I
So
those
numbers
are,
I
mean
again,
we're
we
don't
have
those
numbers
on
us
right
now.
We
can
certainly
look
them
up.
The
city
is
looking
at
a
way
to
potentially
in
a
in
a
second
or
third
quarter,
be
able
to
provide
information
to
the
public
on
our
webpage
with
more
statistics,
so
that
people
have
a
really
good,
clear
picture
of
what's
going
on
within
the
system
itself.
I
I
What
that
means
is
that's
just
the
average
and
we
do
sometimes
see
a
correlation
between
weather
and
when
people
look
to
move
more
indoors
and
then
we
also
know,
through
our
street
outreach
team,
that
we
do
have
some
individuals
that
will
just
not
access
shelter,
regardless
of
what
the
weather
is
outside
or
or
or
what
time
of
year
it
is
so.
Those
are
shelter
averages
we
don't
make
those
numbers
service
providers,
input
their
numbers
into
a
system
and
we're
able
to
collect
that
data
and
aggregate
that
data.
So
I
do
hope
that
helps.
A
So
the
recommendation
is
that
the
housing
and
homelessness
advisory
committee
recommends
to
the
arts,
recreation
and
community
policies
committee
that
a
housing
and
homelessness
review
working
group
be
established
to
develop,
updated
terms
of
reference
for
the
housing
and
homelessness
advisory
committee.
It
being
understood
that
the
working
group
will
be
comprised
of
not
more
than
four
members
of
the
housing
and
homelessness
advisory
committee
to
be
selected
by
the
committee
to
work
with
city
staff
to
seek
input
from
the
community
and
report
back
to
the
committee
by
the
end
of
q3
and
2021.
A
D
C
D
Madam
sheriff
I
may
so,
members
of
the
public
are
only
permitted
to
speak
to
business
items.
They
are
not
permitted
to
ask
questions
of
the
briefing
itself.
In
this
instance.
They
did
ask
some
questions
about
the
information
that
was
provided
in
the
brief.
However,
it
was
to
deal
with
the
business
item
as
well.
C
A
A
B
B
There's
a
couple
of
people
who
got
frostbite.
There
is
so
many
negative
things
going
off
that
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
people
are
more
aware.
I
know
you
have
to
collect
stats
that
come
later
on.
It's
just
the
way
things
are
but,
like
I
say
there
are
still
too
many
people
out
there
that
need
somewhere
to
stay
24
7.,
even
if
it's
a
chair.
B
A
Andy,
thank
you,
and
you
know
I
will
just
say
what
what
you've
done
and
going
out
and
reaching
out
and
having
the
questions
that
you
have.
Is
it's
wonderful
and
it's
from
exactly
the
right
place
and
it's
exactly
what
we
need.
I'm
you
know
thrilled
that
there
is
involvement
and
that's
exactly
what
we
need.
So
I
think
the
working
group
is
is
is
going
to
be
able
to
evaluate
for
any
changes
to
our
terms
of
our
terms
of
reference
for
this
committee.
A
A
Okay.
So
then,
as
there's
no
other
business
other
business,
I
would
like
to
also
take
a
moment
and
just
acknowledge
the
correspondence
that
was
sent
to
us.
Thank
you
for
submitting
your
correspondence.
I
appreciate
that
very
much
and
I
I
found
it
very,
very
helpful
to
to
read
and
again
it
does
tie
back
in
with,
with
the
whole
point
of
this
meeting,
being
a
special
meeting
to
to
review
for
a
working
group.
A
So
then,
the
next
item
on
the
list
would
be
the
date
and
time
of
our
next
meeting,
which
is
currently
scheduled
for
thursday
april
8
2021
at
1
pm.
Unless
we
have
any
meeting
that
were
to
come
up
between
now
and
then
a
special
meeting,
for
example
like
this
one,
which
I
called
so
then
we
will
move
to
adjournment
and
if
I
could
have
a
first
for
adjournment.