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Housing and Homelessness Advisory Committee from February 9, 2022. For the full meeting agenda, please visit https://bit.ly/3gBLFHK.
B
Thank
you,
madam
clerk,
and
through
you
we
do
have
our
full
committee
today
say
for
miss
smith.
She
was
briefly
here.
She
hopefully
will
jump
back
in
and
I
see
her
coming
on
now.
So
we
have
our
full
committee
joining
us
from
staff
are
ruth
nortograph,
director
of
housing
and
social
services,
mitchell,
grange
manager
of
housing
and
homelessness
and
mohammed
assan
manager
of
equity,
diversity
and
inclusion.
A
Perfect,
thank
you
very
much
so
good
afternoon.
Everyone!
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
here.
As
always,
we
will
now
officially
call
the
meeting
to
order
so
we'll
begin
with
the
approval
of
the
agenda.
As
has
everybody
had
a
chance
to
take
a
look
over
the
agenda.
This
is
a
special
meeting,
so
special
meeting
agenda
and
if
I
could
have
a
first
for
that,
thank
you
counselor
neil.
If
I
could
have
a
second
thank
you,
I
saw
miss
everett
and
then
all
in
favor.
If
you
could
please
show
of
hands.
A
So
we
now
have
the
confirmation
of
minutes
on
the
agenda,
but,
as
you
will
notice,
there
are
no
minutes
for
this
special
from
from
last
meeting
for
the
special
meeting.
So
there
are
none
included
here.
We
will
have
minutes
from
our
december
meeting
as
well
as
from
this
special
february
meeting
at
our
regularly
scheduled
next
meeting
in
march.
A
So
we
will
move
over
to
disclosure
of
pecuniary
interest.
If
there
is
any
okay,
we
will
move
over
to
delegations.
We
have
no
registered
delegations
today
and
the
next
is
briefings
and
we
do
not
have
any
briefings,
but
we
will
move
right
into
our
business
item,
a
which
is
the
report
of
the
chief
administrative
officer
that
is
attached,
and
I
will
turn
it
over
to
ruth
nordograph
and
mitchell
grange.
For
a
brief
introduction
to
that.
C
Thank
you,
medam,
chair
and
and
good
afternoon,
everybody
so
just
just
to
touch
on
the
report.
You
have
in
front
of
you
briefly
so
staff
are
requesting
feedback
today
on
two
items
related
to
the
housing
and
homelessness
committee,
the
first
being
the
outcomes
of
the
terms
of
reference
review,
second,
being
a
review
or
direction
on
the
pilot
honorary
program
for
public
members.
C
So
if
you
recall
back
in
february
25th
of
2021,
there
was
direction
to
form
a
working
group
of
four
committee,
members
and
city
staff
to
review
the
current
composition
of
the
terms
of
reference.
So
on
the
june
10th
meeting
of
2021,
that
committee
was
formed
that
sub
working
group
was
formed
consisting
of
miss
collier
council,
doherty,
miss
white
and
miss
crete,
as
well
as
myself,
and
we
met
five
times
throughout
the
summer
and
into
the
fall.
C
C
One
of
which,
being
the
reporting
structure
so
in
an
effort
to
be
more
direct
and
timely
on
housing
and
homelessness,
related
manners
matters
we're
proposing
that
instead
of
reporting
through
the
arts,
recreation
and
committee
policy,
community
policies
committee,
that
will
we
report
directly
through
to
council
the
schedule
of
the
meetings
they're
currently
set
quarterly
throughout
the
year.
However,
in
efforts
to
increase
communication
and
awareness
on
housing
and
homelessness
related
matters,
we're
proposing
that
those
meetings
shift
to
a
bi-monthly
approach,
and
then
we
reviewed
the
composition
of
the
membership.
C
There
was
limited
response
back
through
that,
as
well
as
we
did
a
hard
copy
of
a
survey
out
to
our
funded
service
agencies
and
other
service
agencies
as
well.
I
should
say
to
get
feedback
from
from
all
individuals.
Within
the
sector
there
was
limited
feedback
through
the
engagement
with
some
some
of
the
responses
relating
more
to
more
systemic
related
matters
that
the
city
direct
responded
to
directly.
C
D
D
And
then,
during
this
survey,
we
came
across
some
responses
from
several
regional
partners
and
municipalities
who
have
no
policy
or
process.
But
their
staff
is
interested
in
learning
from
what
city
of
kingston
recommendation
would
be
once
it's
approved.
The
the
list
of
such
municipalities
is
town
of
new
market
regional
municipality
of
durham,
a
region
city
of
one
city
of
london.
E
Thank
you
so
much.
I
just
wanted
to
add,
I
think,
an
important
piece
as
well
that
we,
we
obviously
have
for
both
the
terms
of
reference
updates
and
the
pilot
honor
area,
which
actually
was
a
a
motion
from
council
back
in
june
2022
to
to
review
this.
So
so
we're
coming
back
to
to
the
committee
first
and
then
obviously,
hopefully,
through
our
tradition,
community
policies
and
council
to
to
get
approval
for
this.
This
first
pilot,
we
also
were
able
to
to
bring
this
forward
and
discuss.
E
A
Thank
you
so
much
okay.
So
that's
that's
great.
Thank
you
for
the
introduction
and
I
know
we've
all
received
the
the
reports.
So
I
will
call
on
all
of
our
committee
members
who
wish
to
ask
a
question
or
to
make
a
comment
following
that.
If
there
are
any
members
of
the
public
who
are
present
with
us,
then
each
member
of
the
public
can
speak
up
to
five
minutes.
A
So
I
will
now
open
it
up
to
our
committee
members,
who
wish
to
ask
a
question
or
have
any
comments,
but
if,
if
our
committee
will
permit
me
normally
I
wait
and
I
go
at
the
very
end,
but
I
would
like
to
just
kick
this
off
being
that
I
was
on
this
working
group
together
with
the
others.
Thank
you,
everybody
who
did
take
part
in
that.
I
really
appreciate
it.
A
For
example,
home-based
housing,
engunata
don
house
lily's
place
different
services
who
are
specifically
within
the
housing
and
homelessness
sector
together
to
be
able
to
present
to
this
committee
and
knowing
that
staff
is
present
as
well
for
five
minutes
each
and-
and
that
would
be
one
meeting
where
we
do
that.
So
it's
not
spread
over
spread
out
over
multiple
meetings.
It
would
be
one
meeting
where
that's
the
specific
function,
as
in
increasing
communication
sort
of
you
know,
promoting
that
synergy
and
really
getting
a
chance
to
hear
directly
from
those
who
are
working.
A
You
know
within
this
sector,
so
that
was
really
important
to
me.
We,
this
committee,
had
actually
done
a
meeting
like
this
in
person
several
years
ago.
It
was
several
years
ago
now
I
mean
we've
been
in
the
pandemic
for
how
long,
but
it
was
in
person
at
city
hall,
and
it
was.
It
was
a
real
pleasure
to
do
that
meeting
and
our
working
group
had
decided
that
that
was
a
great
idea
and
we
wanted
for
one
of
those
meetings
to
be
specifically
about
that.
A
I
know
that
it
was
left
off.
I
know
the
reasons
why
it
was
left
off
of
the
of
this
main
exhibit,
and
I'm
also
happy
to
immediately
defer
to
mr
grange
or
ms
nordograf,
or
whoever
wants
to
speak
to
that
more,
but
I
I
would
like
to
see
it
on.
I
think
I
think
it's
important
that
these
organizations
know
that
we
recognize
and
value
their
input
and
that
they
know
that
this
is
set,
that
they
will
have
this
opportunity
every
year.
A
So
so
that's
where
I'm
coming
from
with
that
and-
and
so
my
I
I
guess
my
my
question
would
be,
though
I
know
the
answer-
I'm
not
really
able
to
properly.
I
think
describe
it
in
the
way
that
that
those
from
staff
can
but
but
why
that
might
have
been
left
off,
and
I
do
have
later
an
amendment
to
to
put
forward
as
a
motion
should
this
committee,
I
feel
so,
mr
grange,
you
would
like
to
speak
to
that.
C
Yeah
sure
thank
you,
madame
chair,
so
in
having
discussions
just
with
the
the
clerk's
office
and
due
to
the
nature
of
what's
being
requested,
it
was
felt
that
having
the
six
meetings
or
the
bi-monthly
meetings
was
sufficient
for
the
wording
in
terms
of
the
what's
to
be
placed
into
the
terms
of
reference.
Is
the
mandate
and
then
by
inviting
others
like
when
we
set
the
agenda
for
when
the
committee
sets
the
agenda
for
upcoming
meetings.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
grange,
that
that's
great
and-
and
I
understand
why
it
was
not
put
in
I
just
I
think
it's.
I
think
it's
really
critical
over
this
time-
that
that
those
who
are
investing
so
much
energy
and
so
much
passion
and
so
much
heart
that
they
know
they
will
absolutely
have
this
meeting
every
year
that
they
can.
You
know,
bring
forward
anything
they're.
A
Looking
to
what
the
successes
they're
having
or
the
difficulties
they're
facing,
are
they
experiencing
a
shortage
of
donations
or
are
is
demand
exceeding
what
they're
able
to
supply
and
and
so
on.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
we'll
come
back
to
it.
I
will
now
put
it
over
to
the
rest
of
my
committee
for
any
questions
or
comments
in
relation
to
to
either
of
those
items
and
counselor
neil.
I
think
I
saw
your
hand.
F
You
I
just
wanted
to
make
the
point
that
unless
they've
changed
the
terms
of
reference
for
committees,
it's
always
been
my
understanding
that
at
the
call
of
the
chair,
a
special
meeting
can
be
established,
and
so
I
don't
think
we've
changed
those
terms
of
reference
for
committees.
So,
and
I
applaud
your
recommendation
and
I
I
really
think
having
it
as
a
distinct
meeting
and
inviting
all
of
the
service
groups.
We
now
have
a
kind
of
warming
center.
F
F
I
know
I'm
on
arts,
art,
arts
and
the
arts
advisory
committee,
and
there
are
artists
that
I've
approached
about.
You
know
you
should
join
this
committee
and
they
have
issues
with
child
care
transportation.
Things
like
that,
so
would
be
really
good
if
we
could
address
those
things
for
other
committees
as
well.
A
D
If
we
refer
to
the
recommendation
of
honorarium
pilot
project,
the
the
second
point
in
the
staff
recommendation
is
that
city
council
will
direct
staff
to
review
this
honorarium
process
and
explore
the
possibility
of
incorporating
the
same
for
other
advice,
committees
and
boards
at
the
city
of
kingston.
So
definitely
there
is
going
to
be
a
second
step
to
it.
This
is
just
the
pilot.
I.
E
Thank
you
and
counter
neil,
the
the
pilots.
We
are
proposing
this
to
be
a
year,
so
we
have
a
good
understanding
of
some
of
the
experiences
again
we.
This
is
really
the
the
focus
on
housing
and
homelessness
is
really
coming
as
a
in
in
kind
of
responding
to
council's
motion
back
in
june
of
2021
and
and
that
was
specifically
worded
around
kind
of
the
unhoused
or
homelessness
or
lived
live.
E
The
living
living
experience
precariously
housed
individual
again,
it
definitely
like
and
and
that
so
so
that's
why
we
are
starting
with
this
committee
and
and
kind
of
using
that.
Obviously
there
are
other
considerations.
I
know
the
clerk's
office
obviously
would
be
very
much
involved
in
this,
but
it's
it's
been
a
really
interesting
journey
to
to
review
and
see
what
other
cities
are
doing,
but
the
fact
that
we're
specifically
starting
with
housing
and
homelessness
is
is
because
it's
kind
of
in
response
to
the
motion
back
in
june.
E
You
might
recall
that
there
were
also
a
few
few
queen's
students
that
did
a
presentation
to
council
to
also
share
some
of
their
ideas
and
findings,
so
actually
kind
of
a
bit
excited
to
start
with
the
housing
and
homelessness
committee
and
really
use
it
as
an
opportunity
to
learn
and
and
kind
of
see
what
works
and
what
doesn't
work.
And
it's
it's.
It's
interesting
that
other
cities
are
are
watching
us
as
well
to
see
what
we're
learning
so
so
that's
just
kind
of
to
add
some
context.
F
F
G
G
C
G
Right
track
and
I
think
the
voice
of
lived
or
in
living
experience
is
very
important.
I
guess
my
question
is
you
know
when
I
first
started
on
this
committee,
it's
very
intimidating
because
it's
through
city
council,
it's
you
know
we're
recorded,
there's
very
proper
ways
to
to
kind
of
you
know.
I've
sat
on
many
committees
and
you
you
just
can't
kind
of
speak
up
and
share.
G
So
I
just
know
you
know
this
is
a
very
westernized
approach
to
how
we
get
information
from
people,
and
I
wonder
if
those
conversations
happened
at
the
edi
level
around
you
know.
If,
if
if
this
isn't
working,
maybe
it's
not?
Maybe
it's
not
the
the
maybe
it's
a
system
that
has
to
change
rather
than
how
we
capture
those
voice
of
youth.
So
I'm
just
wondering
my
first
question.
I
have
another
one
too,
but
let's
see
if
ruth
wants
to
answer
that
one,
because
that's
kind
of
my
first
question.
E
You
know
feeling
you
know
safe
and
and
supported
in
in
these
kind
of
intimidating
roles
as
well.
I'm
not
going
to
say
that
we
have
all
the
all
the
solutions
there,
but
it's
it's
not
just
the
the
the
honor
area,
that's
going
to
help
people
to
to
feel
that
they
can
participate.
There's
there's
definitely
more.
I
know
the
fact
that
we'll
be
quite
honest.
E
The
fact
that,
as
a
as
a
corporation,
we
obviously
have
just
you
know,
initiated
our
edi
office
with
muhammad
and
vanessa,
and
I
think,
as
a
corporation,
where
we're
doing
a
lot
of
things
internally
to
to
to
ask
ourselves
those
questions
on
the
housing
and
homelessness
side,
as
you
might
see
or
recall,
with
a
60
plus
recommendations
that
came
out
of
the
housing
and
home
or
the
homelessness
system
review.
This
is
not
just
city
committees.
We
also
need
to
really
look
at.
E
D
Madam
chair,
through
you-
and
that
is
a
very
good
question
and
there
was
another
report
around
the
recruitment
that
was
brought
forward
at
the
edi
committee
with
city
clerk's
office
and
the
the
in
that
report.
The
discussion
was
how
recruitment
process
can
be
more
accessible
and
how
we
can
address
the
areas
around
how
we
are
advertising
these
positions
and
what
are
some
of
the
barriers
around
the
outreach.
D
So
that
was
another
report
that
was
that
went
to
edi
committee
and
there
was
a
discussion.
I
also
want
to
reiterate
what
director
nortograph
just
mentioned,
that
this
is
just
the
first
step
in
the
you
know:
changing
a
system
that
has
a
lot
of
good
things
as
well
as
some
some
barriers
that
needs
to
be
addressed.
D
H
H
A
A
I
Thank
you
and
through
your
madam
chair,
I
just
want
to
make
a
suggestion
just
for
the
wording
of
the
report.
I
think
it
would
be
helpful.
I
guess
I'm
just
thinking
as
a
make
sure
that
we
get
this
through
council
and
the
suggests
the
honorarium,
where
it
states
the
bullet
point
where
it
states
that
people
will
be
paid
a
hundred
dollars
for
the
meetings.
I
I
wonder
if
that,
above
that
it
could
be
included
recognizing
that
p,
that
time
is
spent
on
preparing
for
meetings
and
reading
reports,
just
so
that
it
it
creates
a
bit
of
context
what
that
hundred
dollars
is
for
because
it's
not
just
for
the
meetings.
Sometimes
we
read
quite
lengthy
reports
too,
so
I
think
it's
important
to
recognize
the
work
and
effort
that
goes
into
these
meetings
beforehand
and
and
actually
in
between
meetings
as
well.
I
So
that
was
just
one
comment,
not
a
question,
and
the
other
comment
is
the
chair's
suggestion
to
have
that
regular
meeting
for
the
service
providers
yeah.
We
had
that
discussion
in
our
group,
and
I
also
I
also
agree
that
it's
important,
that
it
would
be
helpful
if
there's
a
designated
meeting
day,
meeting
time
like
the
second
or
third
or
whatever
meeting,
because
that
gives
service
providers
also
a
chance
to
prepare.
I
They
know
that
every
year
about
a
certain
time
that
they
will
be
presenting
and
the
public
will
also
be
able
to
hear
what
the
service
providers
are
doing.
So
I
think
it
was.
I
remember
that
meeting
that
we
had
in
city
hall
around
the
horseshoe
and
people
came
up
and
they
and
they
had
a
presentation,
slight
presentation.
It
was
really
helpful
for
everyone
for
committee
members
as
well
as
for
the
public.
So
I
look
forward
to
seeing
your
amendment
madam
chair.
I
B
A
B
A
Sorry
I
thought
the
amendment
would
have
to
start
before
that,
but
perfect.
So
as
you
see
them,
could
I
have
a
first
thank
you.
I
see
miss
mccarty
and
then
miss
dougherty,
our
counselor
dougherty,
okay.
So
then,
before
I
go
forward
and
ask
for
all
in
favor
is
this
now,
when
I
miss
faucet,
when
I
would
send
things
over
or
go
ahead
and
finalize
it.
B
A
J
I
I
I
I
I
generally
support
the
the
the
the
amendment.
I
think
it's
a
good
idea,
I'm
I'm
a
little
queasy
about
naming
organizations,
particularly
when
it's
it's
such
a
a
narrow
list
of
organizations,
for
instance,
there's
no
indication
in
that
list
of
of
people
who
provide
services
to
the
county
and
and
there's
there's
probably
a
a
list
of
organizations
that
provide
services
within
the
community.
J
A
Yes,
sorry,
it
was
not
meant
to
be
whatsoever
a
comprehensive
list,
it's
only
to
note
not
limited
to
so
that
it
it
identifies
what
we
mean
when
we
say
those
that
are
in
the
housing
and
homelessness
sector.
Those
are
some
that
had
been
with
us
for
our
in-person
version
of
that
meeting
several
years
ago,
and
so
it
was
just
to
note
some
to
give
an
example
of
the
types
of
organizations,
but
there
are
several
and
we
would
be
reaching
out
to
several.
A
A
J
Well,
I
I
guess
from
from
my
point
of
view,
madam
chair,
I
wouldn't
have
any
there.
You
know
one
one
could
debate
that
the
integrated
care
hub,
the
addictions
and
mental
health
and
the
kingston
health
sciences
center
are
are
equally
as
important
as
as
people
provide
providing
roofs
over
people's
heads
and
and
and
leave
us
not
forget,
john
howard
and
elizabeth
fry.
So
I
I.
J
A
I
B
Thank
you,
madam
vice
chair
and
through
you,
so
it
it
would
technically
speaking,
it
should
be
where
the
amendment
would
technically
be
voted
down,
and
then
a
new
amendment
would
be
introduced.
That
has
the
correct
wording,
however,
given
that
it
is
very
clear
what
the
intention
is
and
that
we
are
removing
just
a
subsection
of
that,
if,
if
you
could
just
give
me
a
moment
to
amend
that
so
that
we
can
put
it
up
on
the
screen
and
then
we
should
be
able
to
to
move
forward.
I
G
H
A
B
A
A
I
always
make
it
a
habit
of
asking
if
anybody
has
any
other
business
perfect,
so
we
will
move
forward
then
through
correspondence
there
was
none
included,
so
the
date
of
our
next
meeting
will
be
on
march,
the
10th
thursday
march,
the
10th
at
1
pm,
and
we
will
move
forward
to
a
german.
If
I
could
have
a
first,
please
thank
you,
councillor
neal
and
a
second.
I
think
I
saw
his
white
second
and
if
I
could
see
all
hands
in
favor
that
passes
unanimously.