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Housing and Homelessness Advisory Committee meeting from September 10, 2020. For full meeting agenda, visit https://bit.ly/3ai57Wj
A
A
Could
I
ask
for
a
motion
to
to
approve
the
agenda
jacqueline
count,
sir
holland?
Thank
you
all.
Those
in
favor
opposed.
If
any,
that
one
is
carried
confirmation
of
the
minutes.
We
have
a
couple
of
minutes
sets
of
minutes
to
do.
Let's
move
to
the
the
first
one,
which
was
the
july
8th
meeting
of
the
the
committee.
Again,
everyone
has
received
a
copy.
Could
I
entertain
a
motion?
Counselor
dougherty
jacqueline?
Thank
you.
A
A
A
I'm
I'm
seeing
head
shakes
so
I'll.
Take
that
as
no
and
we'll
proceed
to
the
real
business.
The
the
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
delegations
and
we
have
a
a
delegation,
jamaica
presentation
to
us
this
afternoon,
we're
joined
by
chris
semchuck
chris
is
a
a
resident
of
of
of
kingston
and
we
have
we've
we've.
Mr
simschuck
we've
seen
correspondence
from
you
on
on
the
subject.
A
C
A
C
C
My
name
is
chris
m
chuck,
I'm
a
veteran
injured
with
a
post-traumatic
stress
injury.
I've
served
all
over
the
world
in
conflict
zones
and
non-conflict
zones.
I
was
stationed
in
rome
new
york
for
four
years
as
part
of
norad,
as
well
as
serving
in
germany
with
nato,
airborne
warning
control
system
for
three
years.
C
C
C
C
C
C
So,
in
closing,
I
am
hoping
that
someone
somewhere
somehow
there
can
be
a
better
solution
moving
forward,
and
I
am
hoping
that
some
brave
citizen
in
this
town
can
start
possibly
a
tri-district
community
association
of
the
like
incorporating
maybe
kingstown
inner
harbor,
as
well
as
williamtown
or
others,
to
act
as
an
advocate,
along
with
this
committee
for
the
tax
paying
and
knox
not
tax,
paying
citizens
of
all
stripes.
When
it
comes
to
the
the
integrated
care
hub.
C
D
C
C
D
E
C
Well,
I
think
they've
been
raised
and
focused
on
from
the
bell
park.
Folks,
as
well
as
what
I'm
saying
today
and
as
far
as
342
patch
street
goes,
and
also
one
of
the
the
other
sites
for
consideration
for
the
temporary
integrated
care
hub
of.
I
think
it's
660
montreal
street,
no
matter
where
this
site
gets
moved.
Its
citizens
are
going
to
have
the
not
in
my
backyard
concerns
and
I'm
really
cautious
to
explain
that.
No
matter
where
this
goes,
that's
going
to
be
the
problem,
however,
our
neighborhood
already
has
enough.
C
But,
in
my
humble
opinion,
if,
if
there's
not
consultation
and
community
members
and
and
everybody
involved,
it's
going
to
continue
to
be
a
more
pressing
issue
in
the
future
too,
with
our
the
potentials
of
what's
going
to
happen
with
our
economy
as
well,
there's
going
to
be
more
homely,
homeless
and
housing
issues.
Unfortunately,.
E
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Thanks,
yeah
thanks
chris,
and
I
I
think
one
thing
that
you
brought
to
light.
You
know
in
just
mentioning
not
being
able
to
engage
with
this
process
until
sort
of
late
and
late
in
the
game
and
where
we're
at
now,
so
the
the
shelter
review
that
we're
about
to
undertake
will
have
more
public
engagement
involved
in
it,
and
so
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
could
maybe
give
us
some
thoughts
on
good
practices
for
engagement.
C
Whatever
side
of
the
issue
you
are
on
to
seek
to
understand
and
to
come
to
that
compromise,
that
happens
through
debates
and
discussions
without
being
shut
down,
being
called
names,
etc.
So,
whatever
format
that's
gonna
take,
and
hopefully
we
can
come
up
as
a
community
with
better
solutions
moving
forward
great.
Thank
you.
B
G
G
H
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
I
just
want
to
make
a
comment.
I
actually
used
to
live
in
a
house
right
across
from
where
the
salvation
army
is
on
patrick
street
many
many
years
ago,
and
I
know
that
there
are
issues
around
the
homeless,
shelter
at
the
corner
of
montreal
and
joseph
street
there's
issues
of
drug
use,
prostitution,
so
that
can
certainly
spill
over
the
neighborhood.
I
think
one
thing
we
should
look
at
is
that
we
are
starting
to
move
out
of
that
sort
of
north
end
attitude
about
affordable
housing.
H
Home-Based
housing
is
putting
up
a
youth
center
on
princess
and
albert
street.
The
city
has
taken
an
over
building
on
lower
union,
which
is
being
converted
to
right
now,
a
hostel
for
for
young
people
and
both
kingston
farnack
housing
and
my
agency.
The
kingston
co-op
we're
looking
at
putting
over
100,
affordable
homes
on
princess
street
right
between
sir
john,
a
and
fort
smith
avenue.
H
So
I
think
the
attitude
about
shoving
everything
in
the
into
the
north
end
is
starting
to
change,
which
is
a
good
thing,
and
I
can
support
your
concern
about
not
being
consulted,
because
that's
that's
something
that
we
should
be
doing,
particularly
in
this
time,
where
we're
having
people
living
in
tents
in
our
city
and
there's
not
really
a
good
alternative
for
them.
So
I
I
certainly
support
you
in
your
concern
and
I
hope
that
we
are
starting
to
move
forward
to
a
more
progressive
view
of
what
we
should
be
doing
for
our
citizens.
I
A
Mr
semchuck,
I
want
to
thank
you
for,
first
of
all,
for
for
coming
forward
and
and
and
and
with
the
taking
the
not
only
the
time
but
but
putting
the
energy
into
into
into
this
delegation
and
and
into
your
presentation.
We
we
appreciate
it
and-
and
excuse
me
obviously,
this
is
a
a
significant
issue
for
you,
I'll
I'll,
say
a
couple
of
things.
A
So
and-
and
I
also
understand
that
all
of
your
correspondence
has
been
or
will
be
shared
with
counsel
and
and
so
I
I
encourage
you
to
to
to
continue
to
to
to
provide
your
feedback
to
two
members
of
council
and
and
and
and
your
local
council
member
as
a
as
a
good
avenue
to
to
to
have
your
voice
heard
and
and
once
again
I
want
to
thank
you
for
for
for
taking
the
time
to
to
to
raise
your
concerns
with
us.
This
afternoon.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Can
you
all
hear
me
because
I
just
have
two
things
I'd
like
to
say
in
closing,
if
that's
all
right,
certainly,
okay.
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair.
That
was
very
kind
of
you.
First
of
all,
I
would
like
to
thank
ted
for
his
comments
and
highlight
that
again
I
I've
walked.
I
walked
my
dog
through
bell
park.
Before
the
crisis
came
down.
I
would
integra
interact
with
the
homeless.
C
People
camped
out
there
quite
frequently
and
because
he
mentioned
the
the
the
tent
people
not
having
a
say
either.
So
I
I
thank
you
for
that
ted,
because
I'd
also
like
to
highlight
that
two
of
the
residents
that
were
at
bell
park
that
got
evicted
are
still
living
in
tents.
They've
got
good
voices
and
I'd
like
to
give
a
shout
out
for
peter.
C
Yes,
I
thank
you
for
the
staff
being
there
and
listening
thanks
for
the
staff
doing
their
work
in
the
military.
I
was
a
staff
officer
on
several
occasions.
It's
the
same
sort
of
relationship
staff
makes
you
know,
they're
the
experts
right
they're
the
subject
matter.
Experts
gather
the
information
put
together
recommendations,
staff
reports.
C
I
would
just
encourage
all
members
of
staff
and
council
to
remember
that
council
are
the
elected
officials
and
the
ones
that
need
to
be
held
accountable
and
please
elected
officials
and
staff.
Remember
your
code
of
ethics.
Remember
your
code
of
responsibilities
and
conflict
of
interest
moving
forward
and
please
counsel,
remember
staff
recommendations
are
staff
recommendations
not
saying
that
they're
right
or
they're
wrong,
but
the
buck
stops
with
council
members
and
their
vote.
Thank
you.
A
J
J
J
J
So
obviously-
and
I
think
you've
all
been
reading
a
lot
in
the
news
around
the
intubated
care
hub
there
there
has
been.
Quite.
I
think
we
can
it's
fair
to
say
that
this
this
facility
and
the
services
it's
providing,
has
really
provided
a
a
great
service
to
the
individuals
that
have
access
integrated
care
hub.
J
There
have
been
people
accessing
that
service
that
either
were
camping
at
bell
park,
but
there's
also
many
many
other
clients
that
have
been
able
to
access
this
service.
We've
seen
incredible
numbers
of
of
clients
using
the
facility
to
to
drop
in
to
get
harm
reduction.
Supplies
to
you
know,
get
a
meal
to
to
have
a
safe
community
to
be,
but
also
the
the
resting
area
has
been
close
to
or
at
capacity
for
pretty
much.
The
last
few
weeks
and
we've
been
adding
additional
beds
and
additional
resting
spaces.
J
As
well,
so
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
this
service
is
is
really,
I
guess,
responding
to
to
a
bigger
needs
in
our
community.
We're
also
seeing
great
partnerships
with
other
other
community
partners,
such
as
addictions
and
mental
health,
housing
supports,
etc,
and
we're
seeing
some
good
results
coming
out
of
this
initial
pilots.
J
We
are
also
quite
happy
to
see-
and
I
know
it's
it's
especially
in
this
time-
with
increased
opioid
overdoses
and
increased
kind
of
challenges
with
for
our
community
members
with
substance
issues
with
moving
again
part
of
the
pilot,
the
consumption
treatment
services
over
to
this
pilot
location,
we've
seen
and
quite
an
increase
of
clients
also
accessing
that
service
literally,
this
facility
has
saved
lives
over
the
last
six
weeks.
So
I
think
it's
it's
really
exciting,
and
it's
really
clear
that
this
is
something
we
need
to
try
to
continue
moving
forward.
J
In
august,
we
brought
a
report
to
council
to
propose
a
few
more
permanent
locations
for
the
integrated
care
hub,
and
obviously
there
were
a
few
locations
there,
one
being
342
patrick
streets,
one
being
661
montreal
streets
and
again
in
a
very
short
time
we
had
to
work
through
those
those
pieces.
The
initial
preference
was
the
patrick
street
location,
and
I
fully
recognized
the
comments
regarding
regarding
engagements
because
you
know
on
in
a
normal
situation.
J
We
would
have
more
time
to
to
work
through
that,
but
actually
in
the
council,
reports
are
are
public
now,
but
moving
actually
forward.
Our
proposal
is
to
actually
look
at
or
finalize
the
661
montreal
street
location
as
as
the
most
preferred
option,
especially
since
this
could
accommodate
both
the
cts
components
and
the
drop-in
investing
components.
So
lots
has
happened
on
that
side.
Lots
will
happen.
We
also-
and
I
think
this
is
also
been
shared.
J
So
that's
kind
of
an
update
and
I
noticed
the
biggest
update
as
well
on
the
supportive
housing
side.
We
we
will
actually
make
the
request
for
proposal
for
the
lower
union
support
of
housing
public.
Next
week
we
went
to
council
to
ask
for
basically
a
renovation
budget
for
this
facility
which
which
council
and
we
we
also
are
working
on
the
potential
of
acquiring
a
second
building
for
supportive
housing.
J
It
was
a
2.2
million
dollar
budget
and
we
again
have,
I
think,
we're
quite
quite
grateful
as
a
community
that
we
can
use
some
of
that
funding
to
continue
the
operating
cost
for
the
integrated
care
hub,
but
also
look
at
potentially
using
some
of
that
for
some
capital
investments
in
in
some
of
these
buildings
that
we
that
we
want
to
develop
for
supportive
housing.
Obviously,
those
projects
do
not
happen
overnight,
so
there
still
will
be
some
work.
J
That
needs
to
be
done
on
on
getting
the
appropriate
proponents
and
and
kind
of
process
in
place
for
that
and
then,
last
but
not
least,
the
affordable
housing
piece.
So
we
next
week
we're
actually
in
council
asking
council
for
a
significant
municipal
contribution
to
to
move
forward
on
the
13
16
princess
streets
developments.
J
A
A
D
J
Thanks
and
through
you,
mr
thanks
for
the
question
melody
so
this.
This
is
specifically
for
1316
princess
streets,
which
has
been
part
of
council's
priorities
to
develop
19.
Sorry,
90,
not
19.,
90,
affordable
units
at
that
property,
so
council
actually
allocated
up
to
or
there's
a
budget
of
up
to
18
million
dollars
to
develop
990,
affordable
housing
units.
J
J
A
J
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
thanks
ruth
so
the
I
guess.
Okay.
Well,
I
don't
know
about
other
other
people
on
the
committee,
but
along
with
shelter,
services
and
homelessness,
we
are
hearing
a
lot
more
these
days
about
rgi
units
and
affordable
housing,
and
so
I
think
so
I
guess
so
the
project
that
you
mentioned-
and
I
know
there
are
a
few
others
in
the
works.
Those
projects
include
the
removal
of
the
art,
the
the
restoration
essentially
re-introduction
of
our
gi
units
from
rital
heights
area.
J
You
thank
you
for
the
question
and
for
you,
mr
chair,
we
so
we
have,
and
I
I
do
apologize.
I
don't
have
all
the
numbers
here
in
front
of
me,
but
from
from
kind
memory
we
had
a
the
the
building
in
middle
heights.
The
daily
street
daily
street
building,
I
believe,
had
30
units
that
were
demolitions
demolition.
J
We
have
already
replaced
those
30
by
adding
10
on
brock
street
10
on
seven
right
and
10
on
cliff,
I
think
or
curtis.
I
should
double
check
fact
check
this,
to
be
to
be
honest,
but
so
we
kind
of
continue
to
what
we
do
know-
and
I
know
this
is
a
bigger
conversation-
is
that
we
are
also
looking
at
the
end
of
mortgages
of
various
social
housing
providers.
J
J
F
G
F
J
Thank
you
for
that
question
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
so
two
things.
First
of
all,
absolutely
forbidden
heights.
There
is
a
road
construction,
starting
which
is
really
helpful
in
kind
of
getting
some
of
these
blocks
accessible
and
and
move
these
pieces
forward,
and
we
are
obviously
having
those
conversations
internally
as
well
and
happy
to
answer
any
additional
questions
that
you
might
have.
As
for
the
grand
total
of
rgi,
we
we
can
as
a
service
manager.
We
technically
can
do
what
we
want
and
we
can
surpass
the
2003
units.
J
The
one
thing,
obviously,
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
rgi
units
are
in
the
kind
of
brick
bricks
and
mortar
form
are
quite
expensive.
So
that's
why,
for
instance,
portable
housing
benefits,
as
has
shown
to
be
a
more
affordable
way
of
providing
people
with
a
deep
rgi
kind
of
subsidy
might
be.
You
know
another
kind
of
way
to
continue
to
increase
of
units
above
and
beyond
the
2003.
J
So
it
also
is
kind
of
again
connected
to
the
bigger
so
like
community
renewal
strategy
in
in
social
housing
that
is
currently
happening
the
province.
Will
we
anticipate
the
next
few
years
that
there
will
be
some
new?
You
know
ever
maybe
some
more
opportunities
to
be
a
little
bit
more
flexible
as
a
service
manager
as
well,
but
there's
much
more
to
it
and
I'm
sure
that
back
to
this
meeting
at
some
point
as
well.
H
Can
you
hear
me
yes,
okay,
good.
I
just
want
to
make
a
comment.
The
kingston
co-op
is
hoping
to
participate
in
the
project
at
13
16
princess
street,
where
we're
putting
in
38
units,
all
of
which
will
be
affordable
either
at
the
80
or
the
60
percent,
as
requested
by
the
city.
One
other
thing
that
we
do
is
we
have
three
and
four
bedroom
units
in
our
existing
facility,
many
of
which
now
have
an
older
couple
living
in
them.
H
J
J
So
this
was
set
in
place
and
introduced
in
2015
and,
as
we
all
know,
especially
over
the
last
six
months
or
so
there
is,
there
is
some
room
for
improvement
and
there's
an
opportunity
to
to
make
some
changes
again.
I
will
not
go
into
all
the
details,
but
we
just
identified
all
the
different
components
of
of
the
current
system
and
kind
of
gave
you
an
update
on
capacity
and
utilization
of
the
shelter.
J
I
know
we
touched
on
that
in
on
the
july
30th
meeting
as
well,
and
we
have
highlighted
we've
kind
of
we've,
provided
you
with
an
overview
of
of
the
funding
allocations
of
the
funded
partners.
So
you
know,
obviously
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
There,
then,
as
a
second
component
of
this
report,
we
we
provided
you
with
the
overview
of
the
the
system
review
that
we
are
embarking
on
and
kind
of,
obviously
will
be
our
main
focus
for
the
fall.
J
So
really,
I
think
the
main
goal
that
we've
identified
for
this
is
to
ultimately
assist
in
in
developing
an
integrated
system
of
care,
where
we
can
really
see
a
seamless
collaboration
and
partnership
between
housing,
health
and
social
services
as
as
being
a
key
to
client
success.
I
know
homelessness
is
a
term
that
has
a
lot
of
different.
J
We
have
spent
some
time
in
the
report
as
well
to
give
you
an
an
understanding
of
how
we
would
like
to
or
what
er
who
we
would
like
to
work
with
and
again.
Frontend
center
should
be
the
clients,
and-
and
I
think
we
just
heard
that
from
the
delegation
as
well-
we're
seeing
some
great
examples
of
again
like
the
work
that
the
integrated
care
hub
staff
are
are
doing
with
clients
and
how
clients
voices
are
are
are
used
to
to
actually
create
the
services.
J
J
I
mean
we
are
committed
to
bring
basically
the
outcome
back
to
this
committee
in
december.
I
know
it's
pretty
ambitious,
but
I
think
the
reality
is
that
we
would
really
like
to
use
this
opportunity
to
create
a
new
kind
of
framework
for
the
system
and
also
paired
with
that
have
a
request
for
proposal
ready
to
go
in
2021.
J
J
A
Take
it
from
there
you
know
and
and
we'll
and
and
and
I
think
ruth
will
have
to
get
out
to
and
maybe
derrick
we
could
get
you
to
look
at
after
as
soon
as
you
have
the
email
list,
people
who
aren't
here,
who
aren't
able
to
to
to
be
here
today?
If,
if
maybe
you
could
flag
ruth's
offer
to
them
and
and
indicate
if
they
have
an
interest
that
they
they
too
have
the
opportunity
to
to
get
a
hold
of
us.
E
They
may
be
outside
of
our
service
manager
area,
but
they
are
accessing
our
shelters
and
or
and
or
maybe
even
living
on
our
streets
or
living
in
the
rough.
So
I
just
wonder:
if
we
can
are
there
some
is:
do
we
have
some
information
regarding
how
much
homelessness
actually
costs
our
community
like?
How
much
does
it
cost
when
we
don't
give
shelter
or
when
we
reluctant?
You
know
to
give
shelter
for
people
who
live
outside
of
our
area
and
how
much
do
overdoses
cost
like?
What
is
the
cost
to
community?
E
J
Through
you,
mr
chair,
and
and
thank
you
for
the
question,
I
will
start
and
I
will
definitely
see
if
joanne
has
has
something
to
add
to
that.
I
think
it's
an
excellent
question.
I
would
obviously
not
have
a
number,
but
I
can
only
assume
that
the
cost
of
homelessness
is
is
quite
significantly
is
quite
high,
depending
obviously
on
the
individual
situation,
but
it's
accessing,
for
instance,
very
expensive
services
such
as
the
emergency
room
hospital,
potentially
and
again
not
making
any
assumptions
here,
but
potentially
any
justice
or
police
services.
J
So
I
might
I
mean
I'm
gonna
see
if
joanne
has
anything
to
add.
I
think,
through
some
of
the
kind
of
homelessness
agencies,
kind
of
fed,
federally
and
provincially
that
we
work
with,
they
might
have
done
some
work
and
some
studies
on
it.
But
I
think
it's
a
really
good
question
to
take
with
us
and
keep
in
mind
if
we're
kind
of
doing
our
bigger
review
as
well.
K
K
K
So
you
know
it
certainly
is
one
of
the
things
that
we're
really
going
to
be
keeping
a
really
close
look
on
is
what
does
this?
What's
the
cost
effectiveness
and
the
balance
of
this
type
of
integrated
care
hub
model?
What
does
that
look
like
for
us
as
we
progress
down
this
pathway?
How
many
lives
I
mean
again,
a
life
is
priceless,
so
how
many
lives
are
we
actually
saving?
K
You
know
we
don't.
This
department
doesn't
necessarily
come
at
it
from
that
that
the
dollars
and
cents-
that's
not
my
role
to
look
at
that,
but
the
reality
is
that
I
do
believe
that
there's
a
massive
impact.
We
have
individuals
who
look
at
that
monetary
side
for
us,
of
course,
but
there's
a
massive
impact
on
the
individuals
who
are
being
served.
A
D
Hi,
I
just
want
to
add
to
that
councillor
doherty.
I
know
that
there's
data
from
2013
on
the
homeless
hub
website.
It
is
canadian
data
that
actually
breaks
down
the
cost
of
a
shelter
bed,
a
jail
cell,
a
hospital
bed,
rental
supplement
and
social
housing
and
it'll
tell
you
for
an
individual
if
they
are
to
spend
one
entire
month
in
one
of
those
places.
D
I
Thank
you.
I
was
just
going
to
add
as
well.
Those
are
like
the
immediate
costs,
but
there
are
so
many
long-term
costs,
so
particularly
children
when
we're
able
to
house
children,
the
trajectory
for
life
completely
changes.
Education,
community
involvement,
their
their
future
completely
changes,
and
there
are
many
cost
advantages
there
with
setting
people
up
on
the
right
path.
So
there
are
many
long-term
advantages
beyond
just
just
be
on
the
the
short-term
costs
associated.
E
E
J
We,
you
can
probably
sense
our
excitement
and-
and
our
kind
of
you
know,
kind
of
experience
so
far
with
this
model,
while
there's
still,
you
know
so
much
to
work
on
through
as
well.
The
reality,
though,
is
and-
and
I
know,
we've
spoken
to
council
about
this-
also
with
ceo
hurdle.
We
do
also
need
to
secure
more
longer
term
dollars
for
this.
That
is
not
just
municipal
or
tippy
specific.
J
So
as
much
as
we
are
committed
to
have
this
as
a
permanent
long-term
option
in
the
system
we
want
to,
we
need
to
work
through
not
only
this,
this
system
review,
because
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
all
of
those
pieces
together.
We
also
need
to
work
on
more.
I
would
say
more
secure,
long-term
funding.
J
We're
definitely
seeing
an
opportunity
to
to
look
at
our
existing
municipal
or,
I
would
say,
chippy
the
dollar,
so
the
community
homeless
improvement
dollars
that
we
are
receiving
from
the
province
and
have
that
we
probably
have
the
opportunity
to
redirect
some
of
that
on
a
more
longer
term.
But
we
also
need
to
have-
and
we
are
conference-
have
conversations
with
with
other
funders
such
as,
for
instance,
the
ministry
of
health,
and
we
are
having
those
conversations.
So
that's
actually
that's
a
very
long
answer
to
say.
J
A
E
Thanks
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
so
I
did
go
to
the
integrated
hub
yesterday
and
I
had
a
great
conversation
with
with
the
there
and
I
have
to
say
it
really
is
impressive,
but
they're
what
they're,
what
they're
accomplishing
and
we
we
have
known
for
many
years-
that
there
are
many
people
falling
through
the
cracks.
So
it's
really
fantastic
all
that
the
agencies
are
coming
together,
more
and
working
together
and
really
offering
a
model.
That's
obviously
effective.
E
So
I
guess
in
the
housing
review
in
in
in
I
remember
when
the
housing
first
model
came
out,
a
lot
of
people
questioned
the
shortfalls.
They
were
a
bit
skeptical
because
there
were,
there
were
some
missing.
The
the
the
support
for
people
was
missing
in
the
housing
first
model,
so
it'll
be
interesting.
How
we
move
forward
and
how
that
may
affect
the
housing
first
model.
Then
we
have
embraced
so
much
in
2015.
E
Obviously
from
what
we
heard
earlier,
there
may
be
concerns
regarding
this
location
and,
of
course,
the
homelessness
isn't
just
in
the
center
of
the
city,
it's
in
other
locations
of
the
city.
But
when
I
did
speak
with
staff
yesterday,
they
really
stressed
that
meeting
people
where
they
are
is
really
important,
and
so
I
guess
the
question
is
this:
montreal
location
is
that
the
only
option
that
we're
thinking
of
at
the
moment
and
and
how
is
the
community
consultation
is
going
to
happen
if
we're
trying
to
move
pretty
quickly
on
this.
J
Thank
you,
and,
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
so
I
think
there's
two
components
to
your
question.
So,
first
the
housing
first
and
model
and
services,
and
also
kind
of
the
other
components
of
the
whole
shelter
system,
and
I
will
definitely
look
at
joanna
to
add
to
this.
I
think
what
we're
what
we
are
seeing
is
that
again
there
is
not
a-
and
I
feel
like
I'm
saying
this
quite
often,
but
there's
not
a
one-size-fits-all.
J
I
think
we
will
need
to.
We
will
continue
to
need
different
services,
including,
for
instance,
a
family,
shelter
or
family.
You
know
kind
of
emergency,
you
know
solutions,
youth,
women,
probably
you
know
other
specific
populations,
so
I
don't
think
the
integrated
care
hub
is
the
only
piece
in
the
system.
J
It's
obviously
also
new,
so
we're
still
working
through
that
component
and
and
looking
at
how
that
ultimately
fits
with
the
existing
services
and
if
the
existing
services
need
to
be
changed
or
realigned,
and
that's
exactly
what
we
need
this.
This
review
for
and
hear
from
clients
and
and
and
providers
and
and
members
of
the
of
the
public,
the
housing
first
kind
of
ideology.
J
I
think
some
individuals
and
again
we
need
to
also
hear
that
from
clients
really
need
some
initial
support
to
stabilize
before
they
might
even
be
able
to
think
about
housing,
and
we
also
know
that
we
have
appliance
that
have
been
housed
but
we're
not
able
to
maintain
that
housing.
So
I
think
it's
really
that
combination
again
of
the
different
components
and
how
they,
how
they
work
together
in
the
system.
J
J
On
the
engagement
side,
I
I
wish
I
could
say
I
mean
I
I
think
for
obviously
based
on
the
delegation.
I
can
100
appreciate
the
frustration
and
and
the
kind
of
surprise
that
that
happens
with
the
the
search
for
the
permanent
location
and
as
obviously
there
was
not,
there
was
really
a
few
days
of
of
you
know
kind
of
decision
making.
So
there
was
not
time
to
have
any
engagement
happen
at
that
point.
J
For
kind
of
the
more
permanent
location
we
definitely
are
working
on
with
our
colleagues
at
community
communications,
on
a
nhrs
and
kchc
on
on
doing
a
good
kind
of
public
engagement
process.
Obviously,
given
the
limited
time
that
we
have,
I
know
it
also
as
part
of
kind
of
the
move
of
the
cts
component.
It's
even
a
recommendation
to
have
proper
and
public
engagement,
but
I
recognize
that
that
is
going
to
be,
and
it's
not
going
to
be
an
easy
task.
J
D
J
J
So
we
haven't,
it
will
be
part
of
the
review
to
see
if
that
would
be
something
we
want
to.
We
used
to
have
that
on
our
social
housing
wait
list
and
because
of
the
and
my
understanding-
and
I
believe
this
was
the
rationale
but
because
of
the
introduction
of
the
housing
first
model
that
priority
was
removed,
but
again
just
like
this
is
all
connected.
We
need
to
look
at
that
as
well
and
and
have
that
conversation.
J
Thank
you
and
to
you,
mr
chair.
I
I
really
appreciate
you
pointing
raising
that,
but
it's
because
it's
absolutely
something
that
we
are
concerned
about
and
we're
trying
to
to
plan
ahead
for
that
as
well.
There
are
kind
of
two
components
to
to
that.
First,
you
know
our
current
social
and
affordable
housing
kind
of
stock.
We
have
a
good
handle
on
understanding,
current's
kind
of
status
of,
for
instance,
arrears.
So
we
we
kind
of
know
where
we
are
both
on
the
rents
and
the
utilities
side.
J
So
we
we're
kind
of
monitoring
that
and
it
has
increased
slightly
manageable,
but
we're
kind
of
prepared
for
that
on
the
private
market
side,
and
actually
I
did
have
a
good
conversation
with
with
with
jacqueline
on
this
as
well.
We're
also
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
are
as
aware
as
possible
understanding
potential
arrears
both
on
the
on
their
inside,
but
also
potentially
on
the
utilities
side,
and
we
do
have,
as
you
might
have
seen
in
in
the
report.
J
We
have
both
the
discretionary
residence,
discretionary
benefits
and
homelessness
prevention
funds
to
help
people
with
any,
if
they're
at
risk
of
eviction.
So
we're
trying
to
understand
the
numbers
and
making
sure
that
we
have
enough
kind
of
budget
in
place
to
support
people.
So
that's
only
on
the
actual
current
status.
J
H
E
Anyhow,
you
mentioned
that
there
is
support
for
landlords
who
are
for
housing,
and
I
wonder
if
you
could
expand
on
that,
because
I
did
hear
from
some
landlords
that
they
had
concerns
with
some
tenants
who
kept
destroying
their
property
and
they
felt
a
bit
frustrated
with
the
city.
So
are
we
going
to
take
a
look
and
at
that,
as
well
and
and
in
our
review
and
also
speak
with
with
landlords
who
are
working
with
the
city
and
trying
to
house
people.
J
J
So
we
do
have
a
budget
in
place
for
those
landlords
that
are
housing
people
through
kind
of
the
housing
first
program-
and
you
know
there
are
some
requirements
for,
for
instance,
the
damage
the
damage
the
damages.
So
we
do
kind
of
request
that
landlords
are
providing
us
with
some
a
couple
of
quotes
and
and
getting
kind
of
us
getting
us
the
information
I
I
probably
will
also
refer
to
joanne
to
kind
of
speak
to
kind
of
the
broader
piece
I
mean.
J
I
think
it's
a
really
great
suggestion,
obviously
to
to
make
sure
that
we
talk
to
landlords,
I
think
across
the
boards,
especially
given
the
current
lower
vacancy
rates
and
and
not
really
that
incentive
for
landlords
to
participate.
I
think
definitely
kind
of
looking
at
the
process,
but
also
looking
at
you
know.
How
can
we
entice
landlords
to
participate?
It's
I
mean
I'm
I'm
going
to
be
very
transparent
and
honest.
It
is
a
really
hard.
K
Yeah
at
the
current
moment,
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
interaction
with
landlords
from
our
level.
That
is
something
that
the
housing
first
program
managers
actually
are
responsible
for,
is
going
out
and
being
able
to,
for
lack
of
a
better
term,
sell
the
program
and
try
and
match
clients
with
the
appropriate
type
of
housing.
If
there's
individuals
interested,
we
have
absolutely
seen
a
significant
decrease
in
individuals
who
are
interested
in
in
renting
to
some
of
our
clients,
especially
during
covid
and
potentially
as
a
result
of
some
bell
park
pieces.
K
But
ultimately,
back
to
your
earlier
question.
Counselor
doherty
is
that
you
know
the
housing
first
program
has
been
a
fantastic
success
and
I
really
don't
want
to
lose
sight
of
that
within
the
city
of
kingston.
It's
housed
hundreds
of
individuals
who
are
currently
still
housed
and
thriving
in
their
in
their
apartments
rooms,
homes
wherever
they
might
be,
and
some
are
able
to
still
reach
out
for
support.
K
So
I
feel
very
comfortable
that
for
a
very
large
number
of
residents
of
this
community,
they
have
been
helped
by
that
housing
first
program
and
the
landlords
who
have
stepped
up
further
to
ruth's
point.
We
definitely
through
likely
our
service
providers
and
potentially
having
a
forum
for
individuals
who
might
be
interested
in
providing
rooms
for
clients
and
discussing
some
of
the
the
advantages
and
doing
so.
It
certainly
is
a
priority
of
ours.
K
E
Sorry
just
have
one
more
question
and-
and
you
know
ruth
and
joanne-
it's
okay.
If
you
don't
have
an
answer
to
this,
but
it's
something
that
ted
actually
raised.
We
have
a
lot
of
construction
going
on
at
the
moment
and
and
we
do
have
a
low
vacancy
rate,
but
I'm
just
wondering
how
many
new
units
are
going
to
go
online
in
the
next
12
months
and
and
whether
that
vacancy
rate
is
going
to
be
changing,
and
perhaps
the
pandemic
will
change
it
too,
and
therefore
opening
opening
more
units,
perhaps
for
people
to
move
in.
E
J
At
this
point,
that's
really
only
speculating,
and
I
think
we
definitely
need
to
with
some
thoughts-
and
you
know
how
can
we
look
at
some
scenarios,
maybe
moving
forward
on
how
much
do
we
have
in
the
pipeline?
Are
the
needs
still
going
to
be
similar?
What
is
going
to
be
the
impact
of
secondary
moving
forward?
J
I
think
all
those
components
again
are
so
crucial
in
in
the
kind
of
conversation,
and
it
also
probably
further
to
melody's
point
on
kind
of
just
the
needs
of
of
families
and
individuals
based
on
maybe
their
changed
income.
So
I
think
again,
don't
have
a
an
answer,
but
it's
definitely
something
that
we
need
to
take
back
as
as
a
as
a
city,
I
think,
and
and
look
at
in
a
more
broader
context,.
A
Hearing,
none
just
maybe
to
wrap
this
this
part
up.
If,
if
I
can
make
a
couple
of
comments,
I
I
think
that
I
I
remember
back
to
I'm
not
sure
if
it
was
the
july
meeting
or
or
one
before
or
anyway,
a
comment
that
ruth
made
that
that,
notwithstanding
the
good
work,
we've
done
with
with
housing,
first
and
and
joanne
talked
about
the
the
good
work
and
and-
and
we
have
indeed
made
progress
since
we
started
on
this.
A
This
journey
covet
19
seems
to
have
have
have
shown.
The
I
think
ruth's
deployment
was
at
coba.
19
is
showing
us
the
soft
spots
in
the
in
in
the
system
and
and
areas
that
that
that
we
we
we
need
to
do
more
and
and
and
I'm
I'm
delighted
that
we're
embarking
on
this
review,
I
think
I
I
think
it'll
do
nothing
but
but
strengthen
our
our
system,
ruth.
So
thank
you
for
that.
A
A
B
B
That's
fair
enough.
I
didn't
tell
you
either
so
no
worries.
If
any
member
of
the
public
wishes
to
speak,
we
ask
that
they
use
the
raise
hand
function
in
zoom,
so
that
is
accessed
by
clicking
the
participants
tab
on
the
bottom
of
the
screen.
That
will
open
up
a
window
on
the
right
and
there
should
be
a
button
there.
That
says
raise
hand
we'll
just
provide
10-15
seconds
to
see.
If
mr
semchuck
wishes
to
speak.
A
I
think
we
have
a
loose
end
and-
and
I
don't
think
francesca
got
an
answer
to
her
question
with
that
that
she
asked
during
mr
simschuck's
delegation
about
whether
or
not
family
services
would
would
continue
at
patrick
street
and
and
so
just
to
try
and
complete
that
loop.
I
know
ruth,
would
you
or
or
any
of
the
staff
members
have
have
have
an
idea,
yeah.
J
A
I
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
just
wanted
to
take
a
moment
if
I
may
just
to
pay
respects
to
the
friends
and
family
of
terry
fleming.
I
believe
she
was
a
past
member
of
this
advisory
committee,
I'm
in
a
gem
here
in
the
city
of
kingston,
who
dedicated
so
much
of
her
life
to
the
community
and
bettering
it
in
so
many
ways,
particularly
with
a
focus
on
housing
and
homeless,
housing
and
homelessness,
so
my
respects
to
them
at
this
time.
A
A
A
A
All
right,
then,
let's,
let's
move
on
to
the
date
and
time,
the
next
meeting,
and
actually
before
we
get
there.
As
derek
said,
we
we
unfortunately,
are
are
losing
him
derek
is,
is,
is
going
on
to
a
a
position
with
with
policy
and
by
law
and
given
the
given
the
events
of
of
the
last
the
last
few
days
in
in
the
waterfront
area
area,
derek
I'm,
I'm
sure
that
that
will
be
a
an
interesting
place
to
be
for
a
while.
A
But
I
want
to
take
this
opportunity
on
behalf
of
the
committee
to
to
thank
you
for
for
all
of
the
work
you've
done
over
the
last
g,
I'm
going
to
say
a
couple
of
years
and
I've.
Certainly
as
as
chair,
I
enjoyed
working
with
you
and
I,
as
I
say,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
for
the
work
that
you've
done,
and
I
want
to
wish
you
all
the
best
in
your
your
new
position.
I
wish
you
success.
A
That's
the
that
that's
the
the
the
best
moniker
the
best
measure
of
of
of
of
going
forward,
and
I'd
also
like
to
welcome
elizabeth
fawcett
elizabeth
is,
I
understand,
fairly
new
with
the
clerk's
department
and
I
will
be
taking
over
the
responsibilities
as
as
clerk
of
of
this
committee.
So
elizabeth
welcome
and
I'm
sure
we
all
look
forward
to
working
with
you
in
terms
of
the
next
meeting.
The
next
schedule
meeting
is
the
10th
of
december.
A
However,
as
ruth
said,
we
can
expect
that
staff
may
be
wanting
to
to
to
get
our
our
views
on
on
a
number
of
things
between
now
and
then.
So
it's
quite
likely
that
there
will
be
a
as
indicated
as
a
special
meeting
sometime
around
the
the
end
of
october,
and
we
will.
We
will
get
more
information
out
on
that,
as
as,
as
it
comes
available
that
being
the
end
of
our
our
agenda,
could
I
entertain
a
motion
to
adjourn.