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Housing and Homelessness Advisory Committee from December 9, 2021. For the full meeting agenda visit https://bit.ly/3pFrBbH.
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So
as
this
is
the
first
meeting
of
the
year
for
this
committee,
we
do
need
to
run
the
election
of
officers,
which
I
will
do
so
presently
before
doing
so,
I
want
to
confirm
that
we
do
have
quorum.
I
have
received
regrets
from
francesca
crete,
as
well
as
michelle
mccarty,
who
will
not
be
able
to
join
us
this
afternoon.
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Joining
us
from
staff
are
ruth
nortograph,
director
of
housing
and
social
services
and
joanne
boris
housing
program
administrator.
I
am
elizabeth
fawcett
committee
clerk
for
the
committee
and
julia
mccarty
jansman
is
joining
us
as
our
meeting
host.
We
currently
have
three
members
of
the
public
joining
us
in
the
gallery
as
well.
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C
A
A
A
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B
D
A
D
Right
on
okay,
first
foremost,
thank
you
so
much
everybody
for
being
here.
I
just
want
to
start
again
by
acknowledging
it's
a
group
of
volunteers
and
it's
so
important.
It's
such
an
important
committee
and
thank
you
so
much
everybody
for
your
heart
and
your
passion
and
looking
forward
to
our
year
ahead
and
everything
that
we're
going
to
review
and
you
know
advise
on
so
we
we
will
begin
with
the
bringing
the
meeting
to
order
an
approval
of
the
agenda.
D
If
I
could,
please
have
a
first
for
the
approval
of
the
agenda.
Thank
you.
I
see
tara
and
then
I
saw
a
second
hand
up
was
counselor
neil.
So
if
we
could
go
with
that
and
then
if
I
could
see
all
hands
in
favor,
thank
you
very
much
okay,
so
that
is
approved
unanimously.
So
we
will
move
over
to
confirmation
of
minutes.
So
everybody
has
the
minutes
from
the
housing
and
homelessness
advisory
committee.
Meeting
number
06
of
2021,
which
was
held
in
september.
Was
there
anything
any
changes,
editions
deletions?
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D
D
E
D
D
H
H
Actually,
under
the
with
the
leadership
of
the
united
way
and
public
health
started
a
homelessness
collective
table,
which
is
actually
something
that
also
came
out
of
the
homelessness
system
review
and
that
table
has
been
meeting
by
weekly
and
is
is
really
you
know,
bringing
a
lot
of
different
partners
to
the
table
to
come
up
with
some
more
collaborative
solutions
for
for
the
kind
of
homelessness
system
and
we'll
keep
keep
this
committee.
A
prize
of
you
know
any
any
pieces
that
come
out
of
that
table,
but.
B
H
H
We,
we
obviously,
as
I
think,
has
been
shared
as
well-
are
in
conversation
as
partners
for
like
longer
term
funding
for
the
integrated
care
hub
as
well,
because
it
truly
is
a
very
important
health
care
component
and
the
city
as
we're
focused
on
the
funding
housing
do
not
necessarily
have
that
ability
to
continue
that
funding.
Moving
forward
the
on
the
on
the
shelter
system.
H
I
will
say
that
we're
in
much
better
shape
now,
as
in
you
know,
the
number
of
positive
cases-
and
I
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
hard
work
with
staff
and
communities
to
support
that
we
still
are.
You
know
in
the
reality
of
a
capacity
or
infection
prevention
control,
which
still
requires
us
to
look
at
limited,
lower
capacity,
so
that
will
continue
to
be
a
reality.
H
I
know
I
know,
there's
still
a
lot
of
needs,
but
I
know
there
is
definitely
a
lot
of
work
happening
behind
the
scenes
to
come
up
with
some
of
these
solutions
for
the
winter
months.
At
the
same
time,
the
homelessness
system
review,
which
you
all
have
supported
us
with
greatly
and
provided
inputs,
did
go
out
for
council,
also
recommended
or
supported
the
recommendations
in
gosh,
I'm
blanking
here
in
october,
and
has
we
have
that
has
gone
out
for
procurements
and
we
will
again
come
back
to.
H
With
the
outcomes
of
that
procurement
process
on
the
social
housing
program
side
sites,
obviously
you
know
that
that
kind
of
area
is
quite
prescribed
by
by
the
province
and
how
we
how
we
deliver
that
service.
But
a
few
kind
of
I
think,
good
news
stories.
First
of
all,
our
affordable
housing
benefit
program
continues
to
be
very
well
received
and
helps
is
really
helpful
in
kind
of
adding
housing
solutions
for
individuals.
H
We
have
been
able
to
support
87
residents
with
that
benefits
and
in
the
2022
budgets
that
this
was
discussed
in
council.
This
we
have
added
another
25,
affordable
housing
benefits
in
in
the
system.
We
tried
to
find
really
the
right
balance
between
not
adding
too
many
housing
benefits
because
of
the
housing
market,
but
it
truly
is
a
good
tool
for
people
that
that
are,
you
know,
potentially
already
housed
in
a
good
place,
but
just
really
have
are
spending
a
lot
of
their
income
towards
towards
their
events.
H
So
this
this
has
been
a
good
option
in
many
ways,
the
other,
I
think
really
good
news
story.
That's
coming
to
us
in
april.
2022
is
the
next
round
of
the
canada
ontario
housing
benefits,
which
is
a
works
similarly
to
the
affordable
housing
benefits
and
will
allow
us
to
also
direct
benefits
to
various
vulnerable
populations.
So
we
are
working
through
that
and
looking
at
like
how
we
can
best
deploy
those
funding
that
funding
in
april.
H
H
Again,
I
know
we
have.
We
continue
to
have
quite
a
significant
need
and
need
to
really
continue
to
look
at
that
more
in
a
longer
term
vision.
But
there
is
some
really
great
progress
with
the
housing
projects.
27
right
crescent
will
actually
come
online
in
very
early
2022
13
16,
13
18
princess
street
has
actually
started.
Work
on
site
and
kfhc
is
anticipating
to
start
the
work,
the
the
the
construction
as
well
in
early
2022.,
we
council
committed
funding
towards
484
albert
street
projects.
H
C
H
Very
early
2022.,
I
find
it
really
hard
to
pinpoint
today
because
there
has
been
so
many
supply
and
and
and
reality
issues.
So
I
I
don't
want
to
you
know
I
would
rather
like
I
we
will
keep
you
posted
and
we'll
have
some
really
good.
You
know
hopefully,
information
on
that
as
well
and
some
celebrations,
because
I
do
think
it's
important,
sometimes
to
celebrate
the
hard
work
that's
happening
and
then
on
the
805
weekly
drive
sites.
H
Again,
council
was
presented.
A
proposal
for
the
12
units
on
the
east
wing
through
our
rapid
housing
investment
dollars
and
that
is
is
moving
along
and
our
staff's
team
at
facilities
is
working
really
hard
on
getting
that
ready
to
go
by
november
2022
and
we're
working
on
a
plan
for
the
west
wing
as
well.
H
Some
progress
is
happening
at
the
tiny
house
pilot
project
that
habitat
for
humanity
in
in
the
rideau
heights
area.
What
what's
not
on
this
list,
but
what
was
brought
forward
is
also
the
tiny
homes
project
with
the
homes
for
heroes
at
the
4th
mouth
area,
and
then
we
also
just
you
know.
We
continue
to
work
on
the
veto.
Heights.
H
Regeneration
phase
2.:
there
are
some
some
work
there
on
roads
and
parks
that
leads
to
that
will
be
prepared
in
2022
and
then
two
more,
I'm
always
there
on
the
projects.
One
kurdish
presence
is
also
as
a
result
of
the
rapid
housing
funding
will
be
nine
more
units
and
kingston
project
housing
corporation
is
working
on
that
and
another
project
that
we're
actually
really
excited
about
is
a
tree
cassidy
street
with
granada,
which
is
going
to
provide
seven
beds
for
for
some
of
their
youth.
H
So
you'll
see
it's
quite
the
list,
because
there's
a
lot
a
lot
happening
on
getting
various
housing
solutions
ready
and
like
I
said,
we
really
want
to
focus
2022
as
well
or
more
of
on
to
continue
to
have.
You
know
the
ability
to
have
an
ongoing
pipeline
of
various
solutions.
We
have
been
working
and-
and
this
will
come
to
the
committee
as
well-
in
early
2022
on
a
housing
supply.
H
You
know
overview
of
like
various
groups
and
needs,
and
and
really
I'm
curious
to
get
some
of
your
feedback
on
that
as
well.
I
also
wanted
to
highlight
both
the
kingston
project
renovates
program
and
the
home
ownership
program,
which
are
also
project
projects
that
happen
through
our
office
that
continue
to
run.
Certainly
with
the
pandemic
have
been
a
bit
of
a
lower
uptake
and
especially
the
home
ownership
program.
H
We've
continued
to
up
or
increase
the
you
know
max
kind
of
housing
or
the
max
purchasing
price
due
to
the
reality
of
the
cost
of
housing
and-
and
we
continue
to
explore
every
year
how
we
can
best
change
those
programs,
so
they
can
be
utilized
other
updates
again.
I've
already
mentioned
rapid
housing,
but
we
have
been
lucky
to
receive
7.4
million
dollars
from
the
federal.
H
And
we've
been
able
to
identify
four
projects
for
those
which
have
just
highlighted
the
social
planning
council
kingston
district.
Some
of
you
might
have
to
be
able
to
participate.
Did
it
created
a
housing
forum
earlier
this
year
a
few
months
ago,
and
we
were
so
we're
hoping
to
get
some?
You
know
some
of
their
findings
also
happy
to
share
with
this
group.
We
continue
to
have
a
supportive
and
transitional
housing
roundtable
meeting.
H
We
started
that
back
in
the
spring
summer
and
it's
been
really
good
to
have
that
ongoing
conversation
and
partnership
building
and
also
sharing
and
capacity
building,
and
actually
many
of
you
have
been
working
really
hard
on
the
terms
of
reference
updates,
which
is
pretty
much
ready
to
go.
What
we
have.
What
we
are
we
are
sharing
is
with
the
equity,
diversion
and
inclusion
committee
next
week
for
their
inputs,
and
then
it
will
come
go
through,
hopefully
the
approval
process.
I
H
Yeah,
no,
it's
an
ex
and
a
3u
madam
chair
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
because
they're
definitely,
I
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
information
on
the
trailers
and
they
were
definitely
brought
in
initially
to
help
with
some
of
the
self-isolation
currently
they're
actually
empty.
Well,
one
is
being
utilized
to
actually
we
have
some
donations
in
there
from
from
the
members
of
the
community,
but
we
certainly
are-
and
we
don't
have
an
answer
yet,
but
we're
certainly
looking
at
you
know.
H
Could
we
utilize
these
for
other
purposes
such
as
you
know,
keeping
people
warm
or
you
know.
Obviously
again,
we
continue
to
see
the
realities
of
not
having
as
many
places
available
in
our
community
during
the
day
or
a
warming
and
again
that
is
definitely
something
that
we
that
we
are
thinking
about.
I
will
say
again:
it
goes
back
to
who
is
able
to
support
and
manage
some
of
that.
Some
of
it
does
not
necessarily
have
to,
but.
C
H
We
that
this
was
the
first
time
we
were
actually
facing
a
positive
pullback
situation,
but
it
it
an
incredibly
stressful
and
in
an
already
exhausted
stretch,
frontline
group
of
people
and
community
members.
So
good
question.
We're
definitely
not
just
gonna
return
the
trailers
and
we're
definitely
looking
at
it.
But
we
just
want
to
be
realistic
about
how
that
would
operate.
D
G
H
Thank
you
into
you,
madam
chair.
Thanks
for
that
question
counselor,
so
we
are
very
close
to
giving
some
specifics.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
also
the
ability
to
communicate
with
neighbors
and
and
just
making
sure
that
there
is.
You
know,
a
good,
a
good
understanding
of
what
what
it
looks
like
so
expect
some
more
information
early
next
week.
H
I
I
mean
absolutely.
I
think
we
unfortunately
earlier
on,
did
not
anticipate
that
we
were
in
both
a
coveted
outbreak
and
still
at
limited
capacity
in
our
shelter.
So
we
are-
and
we
have
also
added
this
as
as
an
ask
to
our
partners,
but
we
definitely
are
not
going
to
be
well.
I
mean
I,
I
really
do
not
want
to
be
in
this
position
again
next
year
and
have
more
a
lead
up
time
again.
H
H
For
florida,
social
services
sector
again
over
the
last
few
years,
these
individuals
have
worked
incredibly
hard
and
I
think
we're
really
seeing
you
know
that,
as
as
something
that
we
need
to
be
thinking
of
moving
forward
as
a
community
and
as
a
collective
like.
How
could
we
look
at
more
of
a
staffing?
H
G
H
Thank
you
and
to
you,
madam
chair
thanks
for
that
question,
counselor
neil,
so
I
mean
well,
I
will
share
a
couple
of
things
and
and
if
ms
boris
would
like
to
add
something,
please
please
do
so
so,
first
of
all,
we
we
we
do
have,
and
we
will
also
work
in
2022
on
early
20th
24th,
hopefully
earlier
in
2012.
We
definitely
know
that
the
encampment
protocol
and
and
how
we
are.
H
You
know
how
we
kind
of
roll
that
out
that
we
we
want
to
review
that
and
have
a
conversation
about.
How
do
we
continue
to
kind
of
work
in
that
area
so
that
that's
a
maybe
a
broader
answer
we
we
certainly
have
and
and
continue
to
try
to
always
through
our
street
outreach
and
bylaw
and
other.
You
know,
members
of
the
community
to
to
provide
options
to
people
if
they
are
outside.
I
recognize
that
right
now
there
is
not
a
ton
of
options.
H
So
that's
why
we
are
looking
at
things
like
a
warming
center
motel.
There
are
currently
people
in
motels
more
as
an
overflow.
I
will
be
frank,
not
everybody
will
be
suitable
for
a
motel.
Some
people
are
some
people
aren't.
Some
people
may
may
be
better
suited
in,
for
instance,
a
warming
center
or
shelter
at
ich.
H
E
Yeah,
I
just
I'd
like
to
dispel
the
the
myth
that
there's
hotel
vouchers
to
be
had.
Unfortunately,
that's
not
the
case.
Nor
is
it
a
program.
The
owners
of
the
motels
need
to
ensure
that
individuals,
especially
those
who
might
be
vulnerable
or
supported
by
organizations
that
can
ensure
their
safety
and
well-being
throughout
the
course
of
any
given
day
seven
days
a
week.
E
So
the
individuals
that
we
currently
have
that
are
residing
in
motels
as
overflow
are
being
supported
by
staff
teams
that
are
actually
going
on
site
to
provide
meals,
counseling
services,
housing
first
support.
Those
types
of
of
support
services
is
wrap
around
care.
We
have
had
instances
in
the
past
where
that
has
not
been
available,
and
it
has
not
gone
well
for
either
the
motels
or
the
clients
themselves.
E
So
unfortunately,
we're
not
able
to
do
that,
but
I
will
reiterate
that
street
outreach
was
very
aware
of
the
individuals
who
were
staying
at
the
memorial
center
barns.
There
were
some
serious
concerns
around
safety
which
unfortunately
did
come
to
to
be,
and
that
was
one
of
the
main
reasons
that
the
decision
was
made
to
put
up
the
non-trespassing
signs
against
structurally.
That
bar
after
the
fire
was
left
in
some
structural
challenges
and
could
have
potentially
hurt
anyone
who
was
going
inside
of
that
building
until
it
had
been
shored
up.
E
So
we
we
work
very
closely
with
all
our
departmental
colleagues
and
all
of
the
service
providers
within
the
city
to
ensure
that
we're
trying
to
take
as
empathetic
and
approach
as
possible
to
ensuring
people,
but
health
and
safety
will
always
trump
any
other
pieces
that
that
we
have
to
deal
with.
At
this
point,
and
in
this
case
that's.
G
If
I
might,
the
health
and
safety
has
to
be
a
concern
for
those
people
who
are
being
moved
from
that
site
as
well-
and
I
know
part
of
the
problem-
and
I
didn't
know
about
this
until
a
constituent
pointed
it
out-
we
actually
turned
the
power
off
at
that
location
at
one
time.
I
I
see
you're
shaking
your
head.
No,
that's
the
information
I
was
given
by
a
city
staff
person.
H
So
currently,
currently,
as
as
for
public
health
kind
of
advice,
we
are
not
unnecessarily
the
health
or
safety
risk.
We
are
not
moving
people
and
that
might
change,
but,
but
I
I
think
further
to
your
question,
so
we
are
working
really
closely
with
everybody
around
the
table
to
make
sure
what
the
best
situat
best
kind
of
situation
is.
D
B
Okay,
thanks
for
that,
no
so
I
was
also
told
that
the
electricity
was
turned
off.
So
I
just
wonder
if
staff
could
please
just
share
with
us
what
actually
happened
there,
because
the
worst
thing
that
can
happen
is
we
have
if
there's
misinformation
spread
in
the
community?
That's
not
beneficial
for
anyone,
but
I
I
actually
thought
that
too.
I
thought
and
I
was
worried
and
I
heard
about
the
fire
that
it
was
caused
because
we
turned
them.
H
H
And
and
again
I
know
councilman,
you
did
mention
that
we
had
a
conversation
with
the
city
staff,
but
that
we
did
not
turn
off
the
power.
My
understanding
is
that
the
power
technically
is
also
not
available
at
these
sites,
because
they
are
utilized,
for
instance,
for
the
markets
or
for
other
purposes,
and
for
for
some
reason
I
think
there
were
still
power
available
and
my
understanding
is
that
the
power
was
that
there
was
a
defect
in
in
the
power.
H
B
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Actually
I
have
two
questions
and
and
they're
they're
they're
on
on
completely
different,
two
two
completely
different
subjects,
what
one
being
one
one
being
coveted
and
the
other
being
riddle
heights.
So
in
terms
of
covet,
I'm
wondering
if,
if
maybe
we
could
get
just
a
bit
of
an
update
on
on
what
we're
doing
in
terms
of
of
potential
isolation,
either
self-isolation
or
in
in
terms
of
a
contact
or
or
or
required,
isolation
in
terms
of
an
infection
going
forward
in
the
winter.
H
Thank
you
through
you,
madam
chair
thanks,
mr
gleck.
That's
a
great
question
and
I'm
really
happy
to
to
add
a
little
bit
more
context
there.
So
over
the
last
20
months
now,
I
think
we
have
been
working
really
closely
with
with
our
partners.
Addictions.
Mental
health
services
has
stepped
up
actually
in
march
2020
to
run
the
self-isolation
program.
The
self-isolation
program
has
had
multiple
iterations.
H
At
that
point,
we
we
did
not
see
a
lot
of
different,
not
a
lot
of
cases,
so
you
know
that
the
the
investment
in
a
24
7
service,
for
only
one
or
two
clients
at
the
time
was
was
not
the
rights
at
that
point,
not
the
right
investment,
so
they
actually
pivoted
to
a
hotel
model,
which
was
more
of
a
it,
could
grow
and
and
and
reduce
capacity
at
any
given
time.
So
they
have
been
continuing
that
model.
H
We
also
again
continue
to
work
with
public
health
on
assessing
what
we
can
and
cannot
do
in
our
current
shelter
model
similar
like
many
other
communities.
We
obviously
do
need
to
kind
of
keep
like
we're,
not
sure
right.
I
mean
this
has
been
the
reality
of
the
pandemic
like
what
the
next
month
will
look
like,
or
the
next
five
months
will
look
like.
H
If,
if
things
happen,
so
it's
been,
I'm
feeling
really
comfortable
comfortable
with
the
current
hotel
model
and
the
partnership,
maybe
for
people's
awareness
like
if
somebody
does
access,
shelters
or
other
services,
there
is
rapid
testing
happening,
so
people
will
be
able
to
if
they
do
screen
and
they
are
screened
positive.
There
will
be
an
intake
through
the
self
isolation
program
and
it
will
be
determined
what
the
best
location
is
for
clients
to
go.
H
So
there's
been
a
lot
of,
I
think
new
opportunities,
and
the
last
thing
I
will
say
sorry
getting
on
a
bit
of
this
feeling-
is
that
we've
also
really
been
seeing
great
uptake
through
the
kings
and
transits
vaccination
and
testing
clinics
that
continue
to
to
happen
at
specific
locations.
So
I
think
what
long
answer,
but
the
short
of
it
is
we
continue
with
our
self-isolation.
F
Great,
thank
you.
My
other
question
is
about
rito
heights
and
and
as
long
as
I've
been
involved
in
this
committee,
we've
been
talking
about
rideau
heights,
which
is
reasonable
because
it's
a
25-year
project.
I
I
I
just
out
of
curiosity,
do
it
does
do
do?
Does
it
does
your
department
ruth
go
back
and
and
and
every
periodically
get
get
councils
reaffirmation
of
their
of
of
their
support
of
of
of
this
program?
F
You
know,
I
I
think
if
we
get
to
the
end
of
25
years
and
and
it's
been
supported
by,
I
don't
know
how
many
councils
it
will
be,
it
will
be
one
for
for
the
record
books,
but
we've
we've
put
as
a
community
and
and
certainly
your
you
folks,
as
staff
have
put
so
much
work
into
this
thing.
I
just
we're
and
I
I
think
we're
about
halfway
through
it.
It
would
be
a
shame
not
to
see
it
go
to
to
fruition.
So
I
was
just
wondering
dude.
H
To
you,
madam
chair,
thank
you
for
that
question.
We
don't
necessarily
go
back
to
council
to
check.
You
know
the
that
if
council
is
still
supportive
of
the
concept,
but
the
way
we
do
go
back
to
council
is
often
obviously
every
year
through
our
budgets
and
like
both
capital
and
operating
budgets
and
and
that's
obviously
always
a
good
way
to
to
check
and
see.
If
it
still
is,
you
know,
in
line
with
where
council
is
is
going.
H
I
cannot
speak
for
council
or
for
the
members
of
council
on
nepal
today,
but
we
are,
I
think,
yeah.
We
obviously
do
go
back
every
year
to
council
to
ask
for
for
budget
to
continue
on
every
project
on
the
work
plan,
and
that
is
always
a
good
opportunity
to
I
think
for
council
to
ask
questions
or
for
for
staff
to
propose
any
changes
that
they
might
see.
I
do
want
to
clarify
that
there
definitely
also
has
been
some.
H
H
Obviously,
the
number
of
units
through
the
social
housing
program
there
is
is
represented
of
about
a
third
of
two
to
fifty
percent
of
our
full
social
housing
complements
in
the
community,
and
I
think
there
has
been
some
conversations
happening
in
the
community
about
residents,
thinking
that
we
are
evicting
or
moving
people
which
you
know,
the
one
project
that
we
obviously
have
already
finalized
was
the
80
daily
project.
That
was
the
the
building
that
was.
D
H
F
H
Yeah
and
sorry
through
you,
med
and
chair,
absolutely
we
would
be
gladly
bringing
some
information
forward.
I
also
think
you
know
there
will
be
a
new
council
coming
in
for
next
term
and
I
think
it's
also
always
a
really
good
opportunity
to
do
when
we
are
doing
a
lot
of
the
council
presentations
and
introductions
to
make
sure
that
we
have
that
opportunity
to
to
share
that
information.
But
I
I'm
making
it
note
so
we'll
gladly
bring
an
information
report
to
this
committee
in
2022,
with
just
some
updates
and
maybe
a
bit
of
history.
G
G
I
think
we've
recognized
for
a
long
time
that
there's
you
know
a
kind
of
north
end
a
bias
to
the
north
end,
because
it
was
back
in
the
60s
and
70s
we
kind
of
took
all
of
our
rgi
and
poor
people
and
put
them
in
the
same
area
and
that
isn't
the
plan
now
and
I
know
ruth
has
worked
hard
on
this.
We
are
trying
to
to
have
right
across
the
city
mixed,
affordable
housing
and
that's
a
really
good
part
of
this
plan.
G
D
H
Through
you,
madam
chair,
we
I
actually
did
not
have
an
as
a
good
answer
for
you.
I
I
mean
we
as
a
city.
Don't
I
know
public
health
is
is
at
the
table
and
it's
really
trying
to
their
best
ability
to
keep
track
of
that.
Obviously,
it's
a
sub
population,
so
it's
it's
not
as
as
easy
to
keep
track
of
it,
but
I
know
we
again
working
with
our
shelters
and
with
through
the
vaccination
clinics
that
were
very
targeted.
H
We
are
definitely
public.
Health
has
a
has
a
reasonable
understanding
of
of
the
the
vaccination
rates,
and
I
know
they
have
been
really
hands-on.
With
with
various
vaccination
clinics
and
opportunities
incentives,
different
locations
different
times,
I
could
not
give
you
a
percentage,
but
I
know
again:
public
health
would
have
a
a
good
handle
on
that.
B
B
H
Thank
you
and
to
you,
madam
chair,
I'm
happy
to
to
start,
and
if
this
boris
wants
to
jump
in,
please
do
so.
So
I
think
what
we
are
really
seeing-
and
I
think
that
has
been
coming
also
out
of
our
system
review
and
the
collective
and
even
the
the
response
to
our
covet
endemic
is
that
there
is
not
one
solution
and
there's
not
one
service
that
fits
everybody.
H
For
that
one
client
one
client
might
drive
really
well
in
in
you
know
a
transitional
housing
unit
and
then
is
able
to
move
into
you
know
more
permanent
housing
and
other
clients
might
really
thrive
better
in
a
more
of
a
community
setting
or
communal
setting.
There
is
again
a
lot
of
the
different
different
kind
of
intersections
that
that
come
into
play.
There
is
you
know,
for
instance,
the
you
know,
origin
of
clients
or
some
of
the
you
know.
H
We
know
a
lot
of
our
clients
self-identify
as
as
indigenous
our
indigenous.
So
so
I
guess
my
my
answer
would
be
absolutely
we're.
Seeing
that
we
are
trying
to,
I
think,
as
a
system
again
look
at
multiple
solutions,
but
we
also
have
the
reality
of
funding
and
and-
and
you
know,
economy
of
skill-
and
I
think,
opening
up
a
service
for
30
people
might
cost
the
same
as
opening
a
service
for
10
people.
H
Governments
as
the
federal
and
provincial
governments
and
all
of
our
different
community
agencies,
the
healthcare
sector,
how
we
can
best,
you
know,
I
think,
apply
our
resources
to
that
at
the
homelessness
collective
table.
That
certainly,
is
something
that's
that's
you
know
coming
forward
and
there's
many
great.
You
know.
B
So
I'm
chair,
I
have
two
more
questions.
One
thanks,
one
is
related,
so
we
we
do
have
the
individual
needs,
but
we
also,
of
course
everybody
needs
food
and
shelter,
but
also
a
sense
of
community,
and
I
think
perhaps
we've
learned
that
through
the
pandemic
as
well,
that
we
need
to
keep
communities
together
as
much
as
possible.
H
So
through
chair,
yes
most
certainly
we
do
recognize-
and
I
think
just
through
some
of
the
work
from,
for
instance,
the
work
from
dr
carrie
ann
marshall
and
some
of
the
other
research
that
was
done.
We
certainly
have
some
really
good
ideas
on
how
we
can
and
again
it
is
not
that
we,
if
I
say
we,
I
say
the
whole
community,
because
I
don't
think
a
municipal
government
can
can
do
all
of
that.
But
sorry
I
points
is
what
we've
learned
loud
and
clear.
H
What
we've
heard
about
and
clear
is
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
if
we
do
have
a
client,
that's
you
know
that
can
move
into
housing
that
we
have
a
plan
and
a
support
system
in
place
for
them.
When
their
house
I
mean,
obviously
the
housing
first
model
has
been
looked
at
and
how
we
can
improve
that,
and
we
know
that
individuals
have
their
community
that
they
feel
safe
with.
So
we
don't
want
to.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
people
continue
to
have
that
community.
H
Again,
as
I
mentioned,
sometimes
a
congregate
setting
is,
is
really
helpful
for
individuals
to
maintain
that
community.
Sometimes
it's
better
for
individuals
to
actually
move
into
their
own
place
and
their
own
support.
So
it's
it's.
It's
definitely,
I
think
again
going
back
to
yeah.
We
have
individual
needs,
we
have
a
community
different
communities
within
the
community
and-
and
it
probably
will
continue
to
change
too,
so
we
I
think
it
really
is
more
about.
H
How
do
we
create
a
system-
that's
not
like
set
for
five
years
and
we
can
change
and
we
cannot
move
things
around,
but
how
do
we
create
more
opportunities,
more
options,
but
again,
that
also
really
needs
to
be
in
partnership
with
other
services
such
as
health
care,
so
other
social
services,
because
it
is
not
just
a
housing
situation
and
the
one
thing
I
will
add
is
council.
Also
in
in
councils
2022
budget.
H
B
Thanks,
I
I
muted
myself
because
the
dogs
barking,
but
the
you
just
actually
led
into
my
last
question
and
that's
budget.
You
mentioned
budget
well
at
budget
time.
I've
got
frustrated
that
we're.
We
still
have
to
account
for
and
spend
municipal
dollars
on
this
stepping
down
from
the
federal
government's
funding
for
operations,
because
we
know
it's
not
just
about
our
housing,
but
it's
also
the
cost
of
operation.
So
here
all
level,
all
communities
across
canada
are
struggling
with
these
challenges
and
the
federal
government
at
the
same
time,
still
stepping
down
from
their
obligation.
B
Now
everybody
knew
it
when
those
cuts
took
place,
that
we
would
be
in
a
difficult
position
and
municipality
municipal
funding
was
also
cut,
but
it's
still
going
on,
like
we
still
discussed
that
we
still
had
to
accommodate
the
federal
cuts
of
this
budget.
So
I
know
I'm
just
speaking.
It's
just
ranting
because
I'm
frustrated
with
this,
but
it
almost
sounds
like
it's.
B
You
know
it's
not
like
we're
passing
the
buck
when
we're
saying
that
the
other
levels
of
government
have
to
step
up,
but
they
actually
do
not
only
have
to
step
up,
but
they
have
to
stop
stepping
down,
and
so
I'm
not
sure
if
people
actually
really
understand
the
stepping
down
that
is
still
going
on
with.
Could
you
spend
a
bit
of
time
explaining
that.
H
Yeah,
thank
you
to
you,
madam
chair.
I'm
not
I'm
not
the
key
expert
on
on
it,
but
in
a
nutshell,
with
only
20
years
ago,
social
housing
or
over
20
years
ago
now
social
housing
did
get
downloaded
from
the
province
to
the
to
the
municipal
government,
and
it
came
with
obviously
like
so.
Social
housing
has
socializing
providers
through
their
their
operating
funding
or
their
they're,
paying
down
their
mortgages.
H
So
right
now
we're
in
a
position
where
some
social
housing
providers
they
have
paid
down
their
mortgage
and
their
operating
costs,
although
they're
still
quite
significant,
are
going
down
somewhat
because
they're
obviously
not
having
to
do
their
mortgage
payments.
It
is
also
an
opportunity
to
to
renegotiate
or
re-look
at
how
you
know
what
the
future
is
of
these
social
housing
projects,
but
at
the
same
time,
the
federal
government
and
provincial
governments
have
also
kind
of
taken
that
as
an
opportunity
to
reduce
gradually
reduce
their
funding
towards
the
city
as
as
a
service
manager.
H
So,
although
there
is
some
opportunities
to
look
at
look
slightly
differently
at
how
we're
funding
social
housing
and
there's
some
savings,
we
continue
to
have
to
find
every
year
we
we
know
we
have
a
projected
kind
of
step
down
funding.
We
are
slowly
being
like
the
feds
and
the
province
is
slowly
weaning
us
off
from
their
funding.
I
I
mean
we're
happy
to.
H
So
glad
I'm
glad
I
will
gladly
put
that
on
my
list
to
add
for
the
2022
workmen
as
well
to
add
some
a
bit
of
a
summary
on
the
step
down
and
how
it
works.
And
again
there
are
some
opportunities
with
the
end
of
mortgages.
Coming
up
with
some
of
our
providers.
We've
already
done
some
renegotiations
and
have
been
able
to
reposition
some
of
these
again.
B
Thanks,
mr
nerdcraft,
I
think
it
is
that's
really
important
to
really
understand
what
the
landscape
is
in,
which
we're
trying
to
make
the
best
out
of
the
resources
that
we
do
have,
and
I
actually
am
quite
worried
about
all
the
frontline
workers
and
staff
at
ich
and
other
areas
and
how
hard
they're
working
in
in
in
this
shortage
of
resources.
I
think
it's
quite
troublesome
not
only
for
the
people
who
are
in
house,
but
also
for
the
people
who
are
trying
their
best
to
work
in
the
situation
that
they
find
themselves
in.
Thanks.
D
A
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
through
you,
we
do
still
have
three
members
of
the
public
with
us
this
afternoon,
so
I'm
just
going
to
ask
if
there's
anyone
who
wishes
to
ask
a
question,
provide
comment
or
feedback
on
this
business
item.
If
you
could,
please
raise
your
hand
and
zoom
so
that
we
may
call
on
you
this
is
found
in
the
center
of
your
screen.
When
you
move
the
mouse
over
the
zoom
window,
you
don't
currently
have
any
hands
made.
D
D
Okay,
so
we're
going
to
move
forward.
Then
thank
you
for
everybody's
input
on
that
business
item
and
thank
you
again,
miss
nortograph
for
the
review
and
for
taking
all
those
questions
and
same
with
ms
boris,
so
we'll
move
forward
to
motions
which
we
don't
have
any
motions
listed
on
the
agenda.
So
we'll
move
forward
to
notices
of
motion.
Again
there
are
no
notices
of
motion
on
the
agenda.
We'll
move
forward
to
other
business.
D
I
will
say
other
business
is
meant
to
be
brought
up
during
the
approval
of
the
agenda
which
in
most
board
meetings
that
I'm
in
you
know
other
businesses
like,
oh
by
the
way,
meant
to
mention
this.
So
I
I
sort
of
like
the
idea
if
there
is
something
that
you
wanted
to
bring
up
right
now,
other
business,
that
we
could
review
at
the
next
meeting
or
any
other
questions
and
as
a
chance
perfect.
So
we'll
move
over
to
correspondence
which
I
did
not
receive
any
correspondence
miss
fawcett.
D
D
Oh,
that
was
a
few
hands
at
one
time,
we'll
go
with
that.
Counselor
doherty,
I
saw
hand
up
first
and
then
I
think
I
saw
miss
everett
for
second
and
if
I
could
have
show
of
hands
for
all
in
favor,
please
thank
you
very
much
that
passes
unanimously
as
well.
So
thank
you
so
much
everybody
for
being
present
at
the
meeting
for
all
of
your
questions
in
heart
and
we'll
see
you
next
time.