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From YouTube: Kingston Ontario - City Council - January 7, 2020
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City Council meeting from January 7, 2020. For the full meeting agenda visit http://bit.ly/38EKNN1
A
Well,
good
evening,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
we
have
a
packed
house
for
our
first
meeting
of
2020,
say:
go
Annie
Buju
and
do
watch
the
quake
way
as
the
Mayor
of
the
City
of
Kingston
I
offer
these
words
and
the
spirit
of
this
gathering.
Let
us
bring
our
good
minds
and
hearts
together
as
one
to
honor
and
celebrate
these
traditional
lands
as
a
gathering
place
for
the
original
peoples
and
their
ancestors
who
are
entrusted
to
care
for
Mother
Earth.
Since
time
immemorial.
A
A
A
And
that
carries
okay.
Are
there
any
disclosures
of
potential
between
re
interest
from
counsel,
okay,
seeing
none
we
will
move
on?
We
have
a
couple
of
presentations
this
evening.
First,
it's
my
great
pleasure
to
introduce
connie
Abrams,
president
of
the
Kingston
and
district
Sports
Hall
of
Fame,
who
will
present
the
inductees
for
2020,
Oh
or
mr.
Jefferies,
just
as
good.
C
Mayor
Paterson
members
of
council
and
special
guests
on
behalf
of
President
Walter
decosta
and
the
board
of
governors.
It
is
my
honor
to
present
the
list
of
five
inductees
who
will
formally
become
members
of
our
Kingston
and
district
Sports
Hall
of
Fame
I
would
like
to
publicly
acknowledge
and
thank
the
members
of
our
selection
committee
for
all
their
hard
work,
resulting
in
the
list
of
five.
They
had
some
very
difficult
decisions
to
make.
C
The
names
will
be
read
alphabetically
and
we
asked
the
inductee
or
their
representative
to
stand
while
their
bio
is
being
read
and
to
save
time
please
hold
your
applause
until
everyone
is
introduced.
So,
as
the
saying
goes,
let's
drop
the
puck
or
throw
it
the
first
pitch,
as
they
say.
Let's
get
started
with
Roland
Billings
a
builder
in
basketball
born
and
raised
in
Kingston
Roland
has
been
a
part
of
the
local
basketball
community
for
most
of
his
life.
C
He
was
a
member
of
the
local
referees
Association
for
37
years,
calling
games
at
all
levels
from
Biddy
to
Community,
College
and
University
basketball,
including
championship
games
at
the
high
school
and
the
Oh
see
Double
A
levels
as
well
as
traveling
to
equality
to
referee
the
Arctic
basketball
championships
in
1989
after
retiring
from
the
board.
As
an
active
member,
he
was
given
an
honorary
life
membership
in
recognition
of
his
contributions.
C
Roland
has
continued
to
referee,
with
Special
Olympics
and
the
Pete
Peterson
League,
helping
to
mentor
the
development
of
young
officials
in
1978.
He
joined
the
Knights
of
Columbus
Basketball
League
and,
as
a
coach
and
referee
quickly
becoming
part
of
the
league
executive
and
for
more
than
40
years,
he
has
been
involved
in
what
is
now
the
Pete
Peterson
basketball
league,
helping
to
give
500
children
and
100
volunteers
each
year
the
chance
to
learn
how
much
fun
the
game
can
be
as
well
as
serving
as
president
for
the
last
27
years.
C
He
is
a
coach
referee,
convener
website,
administrator
photographer
and
fundraiser
for
the
league
having
been
mentored
for
most
of
that
time
by
League
founder
Don,
Pete
Peterson
Rowland
has
been
recognized
by
the
province,
the
City
of
Kingston,
the
Kiwanis
Club
and
the
Toronto
Raptors,
with
an
official's
Award
for
his
work
in
our
basketball
community.
In
2008,
he
was
presented
the
coaching,
the
coaches
volunteer,
sports
administrator
award,
a
paul
harris
fellow
in
2014,
and
an
honorary
diploma
from
st.
C
C
Rady
Cosford
born
in
Kingston
Randy
excelled
as
an
athlete
in
baseball
as
a
player
for
the
Kingston
ponies
and
in
basketball,
@qe
CVI
and
in
hockey
as
well.
But
it
is
his
work
and
his
skill
as
a
coach
teaching
the
game
of
baseball
to
so
many
young
athletes
that
has
set
him
apart.
He
is
described
as
having
a
gift
of
teaching
the
game,
promoting
a
love
of
baseball
in
the
kids
and
showing
them
that
they
owed
it
to
their
organization,
their
coaches
and
their
teammates.
C
To
give
their
best
randy
is
regarded
as
an
excellent
pitching
coach
and
some
of
the
best
young
arms
to
come
out
of
Kingston
were
taught
by
him.
Several
earning
scholarships
to
u.s.
colleges
and
one
being
signed
to
a
major
league
baseball
contract
recently
with
the
San
Diego
Padres.
He
has
also
served
as
a
scout
for
the
Toronto
Blue
Jays,
who
recognized
his
eye
for
talented
players.
C
Randy
started
coaching
baseball
in
1983,
but
really
hit
a
stride
in
the
early
90s
with
the
Kingston
Baseball
Association
Queens
University,
the
Kingston
ponies
and
the
Kingston
Thunder
winning
a
New
York
state
championship
with
the
ponies
and
representing
the
city
at
provincial
championships.
Several
several
times.
Randy
has
also
been
an
active
hockey
coach
for
many
years
and
has
been
a
basketball
coach
with
the
Lakers
organization
in
2015
when
the
Gananoque
way
Junior
Sea
Islander
hockey
team
was
put
up
for
sale,
Randy
stepped
in
to
save
the
franchise
serving
as
an
assistant,
coach
and
general
manager.
C
With
the
team,
Randy
Casper
has
been
giving
back
in
helping
local
athletes
for
more
than
30
years.
He
has
been
recognized
by
the
Kiwanis
Club,
for
his
work
in
baseball
has
been
the
recipient
of
the
President's
Award
from
the
Kingston
Minor
Hockey
Association,
and
acknowledged
with
a
dedication
award
by
the
Kingston
Lakers
basketball
club,
and
he
won
several
awards
during
his
playing
days
in
baseball
basketball
and
hockey.
Randi
Casper.
C
She
played
on
Canada's
first
Olympic
women's
hockey
team
and
in
total
won
four
Olympic
gold
medals
and
a
silver,
including
scoring
the
winning
goal.
If
you
remember
in
the
2002
final
insult
Lake,
City
Jana
was
a
member
of
the
Canadian
women's
national
hockey
team
for
18
seasons,
amassing
157
goals
and
291
points.
A
point
total
second.
Only
to
teammate
Hayley
Wiccan
Heiser
in
two
different
world
championship
tournaments.
C
She
was
the
top
scorer
and
Jana
was
a
player
in
the
Canadian
Women's
Hockey
League,
as
well
before
serving
as
commissioner
in
2018
for
the
past
20
years,
Jana
heifer
has
returned
to
Kingston
each
July
to
get
back
to
the
games.
She
loves
and
inspire
future
hockey
players
that
are
summer
hockey
camp
for
girls
in
1998.
C
She
was
named
Kingston's
amateur
athlete
of
the
year
was
the
top
forward
at
the
national
championships
in
2003,
6
and
8,
and
was
the
top
forward
at
the
Women's
World
Hockey
Championships
in
2004
5
&
6
Jana
has
been
a
CE,
WHL,
MVP
and
all-star
and
top
forward
in
that
league.
In
2016,
the
CW
HL
established
the
Jana,
heifer
trophy
to
honor
their
most
outstanding
athlete.
C
So
when
he
arrived
in
Kingston
in
1965,
he
quickly
took
up
sailing
on
the
waters
around
his
new
home
Tim
joined
the
Kingston
Yacht
Club
in
1967
and
in
1968
represented
Canada
at
the
Mexico
Olympics
racing
in
the
dragon
class,
the
fixture
with
cork.
He
has
served
as
a
volunteer.
The
results
chair
a
chair
of
the
court
board
and
is
the
operations
event
chair
from
2010
to
the
present
when
Montreal
was
awarded
the
1976
Olympics
Tim
was
a
part
of
the
group
that
actively
and
successfully
got
the
sailing
venue
secured
for
Kingston.
C
Since
its
inception
in
1969
cork,
the
Canadian
Olympic
Sailing
of
gratit
is
hosted
up
to
1500
sailors
on
five
different
race
courses
on
the
waters
off
Kingston
and
Tim
has
played
a
key
role
in
that
process.
Each
and
every
year
he
was
also
instrumental
in
bringing
the
youth
sailing
world
championship
to
Kingston.
Back
in
2007
tim
is
a
past
commodore
with
the
kingston
Yacht
Club,
and
he
has
been
recognized
at
both
the
provincial
and
national
level
for
his
volunteer
work
with
the
sailing
community.
C
And
last,
but
certainly
not
least,
George
Patterson
an
athlete
in
hockey
with
us
tonight
his
grandson
and
granddaughter
Joanne
Cruise
and
Brian
Johnson
born
in
Pittsburgh
Township
in
1906.
George
Patterson
was
a
proud
resident
of
the
Kingston
area,
his
entire
life
and
enjoyed
a
20
year
professional
career
in
the
National
Hockey
League,
and
the
American
Hockey
League
George
played
for
the
Kingston
combines
a
1925-26
season,
the
only
Kingston
team
to
represent
our
city
at
the
Memorial
Cup.
Thanks
to
his
triple
overtime
goal
that
secured
their
place
in
the
tournament.
C
Then
in
1927
he
found
his
way
into
the
record
books
with
the
Toronto
Maple
Leafs
scoring
the
first
goal
in
the
history
of
that
storied
franchise.
He
went
on
to
play
for
the
New
York
Americans
Boston,
Bruins,
Detroit,
Red,
Wings,
st.
Louis
and
then
with
Cleveland
and
Hershey
in
the
American
Hockey
Association,
the
precursor
to
the
American
Hockey
League.
He
was
their
MVP
in
1937-38
with
the
Minnesota
Millers
the
season
in
which
he
also
won
the
scoring
title.
C
In
his
20-year
professional
hockey,
career
George
always
played
at
a
highly
competitive
level,
averaging
a
point
per
game
over
his
AHL
career
and
even
at
the
end
of
his
hockey
career
in
the
last
two
Pro
seasons
with
Hershey.
He
had
105
points
in
102
games
play
when
George
came
home
to
Kingston
in
1945.
He
coached
the
Queen's
University
seniors
and
the
Eastern
Ontario
senior
B
Kingston
nylons
to
a
provincial
championship
in
1950-51
for
many
years
using
the
resources
of
his
concrete
business.
C
George
was
a
staunch
supporter
of
minor
hockey
and
never
passed
up
the
chance
to
help
young
players
on
George's
passing
in
1977
Mike
Rawdon
from
the
Kingston
Whig
standard
wrote
as
an
individual.
He
acquitted
himself
with
distinction
and
accepted
fate
in
full
stride.
He
never
took
a
backward
step,
did
not
seek
trouble
and
earned
the
respect
of
referees
and
opponents
George
Patterson.
C
A
A
D
Thank
you,
mayor
Paterson
members
of
council.
The
living
wage
is
really
about
addressing
poverty
through
paid
work.
We
know
that
more
and
more
people
in
our
province
are
having
to
make
tough
decisions
about
putting
food
on
the
table,
buying
a
transit
pass
to
get
to
work
or
paying
rent
when
an
employer
makes
a
commitment
to
pay
a
living
wage,
their
employees
are
able
to
cover
their
basic
expenses
and
they're
able
to
participate
in
community
any
additional
income
that
an
employee
may
begin
to
earn
really
goes
back
into
the
local
economy
and
supports
local
businesses.
D
So
I'm
very,
very
pleased
to
say
that
this
evening
the
city
of
Kingston
will
become
the
18th
living
wage
employer
here
in
Kingston
and
the
fourth
municipality
in
Ontario,
and
will
join
the
over
290
certified
living
wage
employers
in
our
province.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
to
everyone
who
helped
make
this
possible
and
a
huge
congratulations
to
the
see
of
Kingston
and
I'd
like
to
present
mayor
Paterson.
With
this
certificate.
A
E
You
worship,
I,
have
three
first,
one:
that
by
law,
2010
one
clause
for
11.4
be
waived
to
add
delegation,
dr.
bradley
deaq,
professor
of
mechanical
and
material
engineering,
at
queen's
university
professional
engineer
of
ontario
to
speak
to
new
motion
number
one
with
respect
to
not
paving
the
trail
between
Queen
Mary
Road
and
the
parkway
council.
E
You,
the
second
one,
is
also
to
buy
to
waive
the
bylaw
20
a
2010
one
clause,
11.4
so
as
to
add
dr.
David
MacDonald,
professor
of
global
development
studies
at
Queen's.
University
just
speak
to
report
number
thirteen
one
B.
With
respect
to
the
recommendation
to
align
the
city's
recycling
program
with
Ontario's
regulations
for
full
producer
responsibility.
A
And
that
carries
are
there
any
other
delegations
to
add
going
once
going
twice?
Okay,
so
we
have
three
delegations
on
agenda
so
first
on
vite,
dr.
bradley
debt
to
speak
to
council
with
respect
to
new
motion
number
one
concerning
the
pathway.
You
find
it
here:
the
multi-use
pathway
between
parkway
and
queen
mary
route,
dr.
dean,
just
a
reminder
to
all
of
our
delegations
that
you
have
five
minutes.
F
Right,
thank
you,
mayor
Paterson
city,
council,
city
staff
and
guests.
All
right.
It's
my
name
is
Brad
deaq
and
what
wisdom
said
was
that
I'm
also
a
husband,
a
parent,
an
active
cyclist
in
the
neighborhood
and
a
very,
very
happy
citizen,
right,
Kingston's,
a
wonderful
city
to
live
in,
so
we
can
get
to
business.
F
So
basically,
so
what
I
want
to
emphasize
is
this
little
squirt
area
here
that
were
zoomed
into
so
basically
along
the
marshlands.
There
is
this
trail,
that's
sitting
here,
that's
being
basically
that
way,
since
the
late
1950s
early
60s,
when
this
division
of
homes
was
built
and
basically
encroached
on
the
wetlands,
and
so
it's
been
like
that
for
four
decades.
F
In
that
sense,
what
interesting
about
it
is
that
it
has
remained
unchanged,
but
it's
been
it's
it's
being
used
by
a
considerable
number
of
people
in
the
city
at
that
time,
so
this
is
sort
of
what
it
looks
like
in
the
summer.
It's
a
beaten
path.
We
have
a
lot
of
these
in
the
cities
that
are
going
towards
development,
and
what's
important
to
realize
is
that
it
is
used
by
cyclists
right
now,
it's
used
by
runners,
walkers
people
with
strollers,
but
it's
still
not
the
most
accessible
trail
in
the
city.
F
F
Can
you
raise
your
hands
all
right,
so
we
can
see
that
there
are
some
experts
or
people
there
have
experienced
that
part
of
the
city,
and
it
is
a
wonderful
part
of
the
city
that
if
you
go
there
and
you
walk
off
the
road,
you
can
see
that
you
are
no
longer
in
an
urban
environment
right.
So
it's
something
that's
pretty
special
and
something
that
again
that
these
people
60
years
ago
when
they
thought
about
this,
would
try
to
maintain
these
sort
of
areas
all
right
and
it's
also
very
sensitive
to
wildlife.
F
So
what
I've
done
is
I
put
a
little
movie
here.
That's
gonna
play
a
few
times,
and
so
this
is
not
the
nicest
time
of
year.
So
this
is
looking
from
Parkway
south
along
the
trail
and
that's
the
gateway
now
and
you
can
see
that
it's
not
accessible
to
get
to
the
trail
very
easily,
and
you
can
see
that
as
you
meander
through
this
this
video
a
couple
times,
it's
a
very
uneven
surface,
it's
curved
it's
very
it's
more
rugged
than
you
would
think
right.
G
F
Okay,
so
if
you
haven't
been
there
and
you
wander
in
there,
it
also
connects
to
some
trails
that
are
accessible,
so
the
city
is
proposed
and
rightfully
so,
to
make
this
part
of
their
active
transportation,
because
it
does
connect
some
neighborhoods,
but
I
want
to
tell
you
that
it
is
used
and
is
used
now
by
a
large
number
of
people
in
the
neighbors
and
what
I
want
indicate.
It's
also
home
to
some
sensitive
environment
right.
It
is
it's
the
wetlands
and
the
wetlands
are
what
they
are.
F
So
what
the
city
is
proposing
is
that
we've
been
told
is
that
it's
wants
to
pave
an
asphalt
trail
through
here,
develop
and
which
it
needs
development,
but
that
trail
way
is
sort
of
not
taking.
You
account
the
sensitivity
of
the
environment
and
we
think
there
are
alternatives
to
it.
So
this
is
the
first
picture
on
the
on.
Your
right
is
an
example
of
part
of
the
trail
that
is
being
paved
north
of
Princess
Street.
F
A
few
years
ago,
I
mean
I,
can't
remember
exactly
how
long
it
was,
and
you
can
see
that
it's
already
undergoing
degradation
due
to
thermal
cracking
as
we
go,
and
this
sort
of
a
close-up
of
it,
and
we
know
that
in
Kingston
is
very
difficult
to
maintain
infrastructure
like
this
because
of
the
climate
that
we're
in,
and
so
we
must
consider
that.
Maybe
that's
not
the
best
alternative
for
for
that
and
I
have
a
quote
here
from
Mark
Dixon
who's
been
very
helpful
in
communication.
F
So
let
me
get
to
the
end.
There
is
a
forward
way,
and
that
is
the
city
is
also
very
good
at
at
constructing
what
we
call
stone
pathways,
that
more
are
fitting
with
the
environment
and
what
I'm
saying
is
that
we
want
this
trail
developed,
and
we
means
the
signatories
that
we
that
I've
gone
after
to
get
the
petition
there's
more
than
700
of
us,
and
but
we
want
to
do
it
in
a
sustainable
way
that
reduces
environmental
issues.
Thanks.
H
F
F
F
We've
already
encroached
in
that
area,
so
they
want
to
put
up
you
know
and
with
an
asphalt
surface,
what
do
you
get
you
get
runoff,
there's
no
more
absorption
into
the
environment
and
I
think
you
can
engineer
your
way
out
of
that,
but
nonetheless
it's
not
as
absorbable
as
a
stone
path
path.
This
don't
path
path
fits
the
environmental
sort
of
feeling
of
that
area.
When
you
enter
it
and
it
still
will
give
you
accessibility,
which
is
what
we
really
also
want.
F
J
And
I
last
probably
asked
this
question
of
staff
as
well,
but
I've
always
it's
been
my
understanding
that
on
questions
of
accessibility,
whether
it's
wheelchair
accessible
or
year-round,
accessible,
a
hard
surface
would
be
preferable
because
I'm
not
sure
a
plowing.
A
gravel
surface
is
a
good
idea,
but
it
would
be
if
it
was
concrete,
so
we
could
have
year-round
use
would
do
you
want
to
comment
on
that
so.
F
Thank
you
for
that
question.
So
I
think
that's
a
important
issue,
so
maintaining
roads
are
obviously
much
easier
if
you
have
ashphalt
right
surface
with
with
paving,
but
you
can
maintain
gravel
roads
and
again
we're
not
proposing
this
be
gravel.
We're
proposing
something!
That's
a
harder
surface
with
rock
dust!
That's
going
to
be
capable
of
plowing
and
of
plowing
is
a
necessity
I'm
going
to
remind
you
that
this
pathways
857
meters,
long
right.
F
F
A
So
now
move
to
our
second
delegation
of
the
evening
invite
dr.
David
McDonald
to
come
forward.
Who
will
speak
to
counsel
with
respect
to
item
one
be
from
report
number
13
from
the
CIO
with
respect
to
recommendations
to
align
the
city's
recycling
program
with
Ontario
regulations
for
full
producer
responsibility.
Thank.
K
We've
done
work
in
over
50
different
countries
on
a
wide
range
of
services,
including
waste
management
and
other
waste
stream
activities,
and
I
want
to
speak
to
this
proposal
tonight
on
the
on
the
recycling
and
basically
as
a
follow-up
to
the
email
that
I
sent
around
to
each
of
the
councillors
and
the
mayor
to
propose
that
it
be
postponed
for
further
study
and
I'll.
Just
very
quickly
highlight
my
my
three
points
and
rationale
for
that.
The
first
is
that
I
think
it's
just
premature.
From
a
legislative
point
of
view.
K
The
producer
pays
legislation
that
the
provincial
level
is
still
undetermined.
I
suspect
that
the
provincial
government
is
still
figuring
out
its
own
path
forward
on
this.
It
doesn't
really
have
a
coherent
kind
of
environmental
strategy
at
this
point.
It's
taken
on
this
liberal
policy
and
is
also
at
odds
with
other
liberal
policies,
so
I
think
it's
really
very
much
in
flux,
and
we
just
don't
know
what
this
policy
is
going
to
look
like,
and
it
really
does
seem
premature
to
sort
of
abandon
our
capacity
to
do
in-house
recycling.
K
When
we
just
simply
don't
know
what
this
legislation
is
going
to.
Look
like,
there's
also
divisions
within
the
private
sector,
about
how
they're
going
to
manage
this
producer
pay
system
and
I
think
a
growing
resistance
to
what
is
seen
as
a
kind
of
de-facto
privatization
of
our
recycling
system
in
this
province
and
big
concerns
around
where
this
policy
is
headed.
K
Second
is
a
cost
related
question
if
it
turns
out
that
we
have
sold
off
our
equipment
and
we
have
abandoned
our
managerial
capacity
and
staff
capacity,
rebuilding
that
could
be
very,
very
expensive
and
we
just
simply
don't
know
what
the
kind
of
worst-case
scenario
might
look
like
and
at
the
very
least,
I
think
we
have
to
have
a
better
handle
on
what
the
fiscal
implications
of
it
could
be.
Should
we
have
to
bring
these
services
back
in-house,
having
sold
off
our
equipment
and
move
staff
around
etc?
K
Thirdly-
and
perhaps
most
importantly,
is
the
loss
of
a
kind
of
democratic
control
of
our
waste
management
system.
We
want
to
be
one
of
Canada's
most
sustainable
cities.
Waste
management
is
a
very
important
part
of
that
and
taking
waste
out
of
our
landfills
and
being
more
responsible
for
their
recycling
is
a
really
important
part
of
that.
K
Without
the
internal
capacity
to
manage
that
on
the
ground,
with
our
work
staff
and
at
the
managerial
and
at
the
policy
level
have
we
simply
abandoned
the
kind
of
democratic
control
of
what
is
a
really
important
part
of
our
environmental
management.
For
this
city
now,
I
say
this
and
I
preface
my
comments
with
the
research
that
I
do
internationally,
because
this
is
in
fact
the
exact
opposite
of.
K
This
is
a
word
that
only
academics
could
come
up
with,
but
it
basically
means
bringing
services
back
in-house
after
a
period
of
privatization,
we've
documented
now
over
2,000
municipalities
that
have
really
no
supplies
brought
services
back
in-house,
ranging
from
water
to
electricity,
to
waste
management,
healthcare
services
etc,
and
the
list
is
growing,
and
this
is
particularly
strong
in
Europe
with
30
years
of
experiences
of
outsourcing.
They
are
basically
realizing.
It
is
more
expensive
to
do
it
with
outsourcing
private
companies
need
to
take
a
profit,
it's
expensive
to
manage.
The
contracts,
expensive
lawyers,
etc.
K
If
the
company
fails
being
and
rebuilding
the
services,
the
academic
literature
is
unanimous
in
basically
saying
there
is
no
proven
cost
savings
associated
with
privatization.
You
can
find
cases
where
it
has
done
better
than
the
public
service,
but,
generally
speaking,
it's
now
widely
accepted
that
it
generally
is
cheaper
to
do
services
in-house.
K
So
my
recommendation
is
that
we
take
a
breath,
send
it
to
committee,
have
some
community
input
and
think
very
carefully
about
whether
we
want
to
effectively
abandon
our
capacity
to
recycle
at
a
very
important
moment
in
terms
of
climate
change
and
environmental
issues,
or
whether
we
want
to
think
about
retaining
democratic
control
of
this
important
resource.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
J
K
A
Seeing
no
other
questions,
thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
so
I'll
move
to
our
third
and
final
delegation
this
evening,
we'll
invite
mr.
Greg
Lightfoot,
who
will
speak
to
council
with
respect
to
Clause
number
two
report
from
report
number
13
from
the
CEO
with
respect
to
the
audit
and
accountability
fund.
L
L
M
L
There
were
a
few
things
in
here
where
there
are
actually
citations
of
a
few
statements
that
really
kind
of
run
with
me
to
kind
of
motivate
me
to
come
in
to
say
something,
and
so
with
respect
to
the
report
itself.
To
be
honest
with
you,
I'm
not
overly
focused
on
what
the
report
is
itself
at
this
point
in
time.
What
bothers
me
is
the
fact
that
people
are
going
to
work
and
on
the
front
page
of
an
article.
L
The
last
thing
that,
on
the
front
page
of
the
newspaper
I
think
the
last
thing
that
a
lot
of
people
want
to
hear
today
is
downsizing
and
staffing
and
reductions
when
it
comes
to
city
to
the
city
and
city
employees
and
to
programs,
because
I'm
41
years
old
and
I
grew
up
in
Kingston
and
I.
Remember
the
city
when
I
was
a
kid
and
the
city
is
much
better
off
today
than
it
was
when
I
was
younger.
L
L
Be
honest
with
you
when
I
read
the
article
I
had
the
eye
I
had
the
feeling,
in
the
sense
that
somebody
released
this
through
the
newspaper
to
kind
of
send
a
message
to
city
employees
and
I
didn't
think
that
was
appropriate
and
that's
just
from
reading
the
article
and
like
I
said
most
people
probably
haven't
read
the
report
itself,
but
from
the
article
and
from
what
I
read.
It
seemed
as
though
this
was
kind
of
like
a
warning
in
a
way
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
someone
at
least
came
and
said
something.
A
Thank
you
seeing
no
other
questions
from
Council.
Thank
you
very
much
okay.
So
we
have
no
other
delegations
this
evening,
so
we
will
move
on
in
our
agenda.
We
do
have
one
briefing
this
evening
and
by
desiree
kennedy,
chief
financial
officer
and
city
treasurer
to
provide
introductory
remarks
and
introduce
oscar
Polonia
office
managing
partner
KPMG,
a
brief
counsel
on
Clause,
2
or
part
number
13
from
the
CIO
respect
to
the
audit
and
accountability
fund.
Thank.
N
N
We
were
successful
in
receiving
funding
of
a
hundred
and
seventy-five
thousand
dollars
from
the
promise
to
do
this
and
we
hired
KPMG
to
come
in
and
help
us
with
this
review.
It
was
required
that
it
be
a
third-party
independent
review
as
part
of
the
eligibility
for
the
funding
we
selected
for
service
areas,
housing,
social
services,
childcare
and
long-term
care,
and
the
reason
that
we
selected
these
twofold
one
because
of
the
provincial
legislative
nature
and
the
funding
nature
of
these.
N
So
all
four
of
these
services
have
a
significant
proportion
of
provincial
funding
and
with
that
comes
reporting
requirements
and
other
legislative
requirements
that
were
required
to
follow,
and
then
second
to
staff
had
already
recognized
because
of
a
lot
of
the
legislative
requirements
in
these
services
that
there
was
some
low
hanging
efficiencies
that
perhaps
we
could
find
working
with
the
province.
So
we
felt
that
these
were
were
areas
that
certainly
we
could
find
some
some
areas
in
terms
of
efficiencies
and
administrative
and
cost
reduction.
N
O
You
worship,
members
of
council
good
evening.
Thank
you
very
much
for
allowing
us
the
opportunity
to
be
here
today.
The
purpose
of
our
presentation
is
to
provide
counsel,
with
an
overview
of
the
revolts
results
of
our
review
of
the
city's
services
that
were
subject
to
the
scope.
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
tonight
is
provide
a
very
high-level
summary
of
the
report
and
what
we've
commented
on
I'd
like
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
review
and
what
we've
done
focus
on
some
of
the
key
findings.
O
Talk
about
potential
courses
of
action
that
the
city
can
consider
as
you
move
forward,
as
well
as
the
benefits
and
next
steps.
So,
as
mentioned,
the
review
was
conducted
under
the
provinces,
audit,
&
Accountability
fund
and
basically
looked
to
identify
potential
cost
savings
and
efficiencies
through
changes
to
your
existing
processes.
O
I
would
like
to
reiterate
to
Council
that
the
concept
of
service
level
reductions
was
not
on
the
table
was
not
included
in
the
scope
of
our
review
and
was
not
addressed
by
KPMG,
as
mentioned
by
your
treasurer,
the
scope
of
the
review
really
involved
what
we
consider
to
be
human
services.
These
are
services
that
are
providing
assistance
in
a
variety
of
means
to
vulnerable
segments
of
the
community
and
included
your
Ontario
Works
Children,
Services
housing
and
homelessness.
O
In
your
long
term
care
home
specifically
I
would
like
to
caution
council
that
our
focus
and
our
engagement
was
specifically
on
your
processes
and
potential
improvements
to
your
processes.
The
concept
of
customer
need
the
concept
of
public
policy
initiatives,
while
they
are
valid,
was
not
something
that
we
were
asked
to
comment
on,
and
so
because
of
that,
our
comments
really
are
restricted
to
process
improvements.
O
What
we've
done
is
we've
worked
with
your
teams
and
we've
conducted
working
sessions
with
them
that
covered
just
under
100
processes,
and
this
involved
everything
from
how
you
pay
rent
supplements
to
how
you
have
intake
with
respect
to
child
fee
subsidy
and
the
results
of
our
analysis
were
summarized
in
process
maps,
and
we
were
really
looking
for
for
potential
areas
for
enhancements.
How
can
I
address
process
and
efficiencies?
So
how
can
I
streamline
our
processes?
How
can
I
avoid
duplication?
How
can
I
make
use
of
technology?
O
How
can
we
look
to
address
client
service
limitations
so,
to
the
extent
that
you
have
processes
that,
while
they
may
work
place
a
burden
on
your
ultimate
customer?
The
question
is:
is
how
can
you
improve
that
effect?
Can
you
look
at
areas
of
financial
risk
where
you're
potentially
exposed
to
loss
or
increased
cost?
And,
lastly,
are
there
areas
of
litigation
risk,
and
these
are
aspects
of
your
processes
that
may
actually
expose
you
to
litigation,
may
expose
you
to
reputational
risk
as
well.
O
O
What
you
will
find
in,
as
mentioned
by
Ms
Kennedy,
there's
a
very
heavy
degree
of
provincial
regulation
and
requirements
associated
with
how
you
deliver
these
services
and
what
you
will
find
is
those
requirements
will
actually
create
inefficiencies
on
their
own.
The
requirement
for
hard
copy,
as
opposed
to
digitization
the
requirement
for
you
to
report
in
ways
that
your
system,
you
need
to
manipulate.
So
one
of
the
things
counsel
that
we
think
is
important
to
recognize
is,
while
you
have
in
efficiencies
in
your
system.
O
What
you
will
find,
however,
is
there's
nothing
so
perfect.
It
cannot
be
improved,
and
so,
by
going
through
the
processes,
what
we
found
were
almost
200
areas
where
you
could
look
to
change
your
processes,
to
enhance
the
efficiencies,
to
cover
your
potential
risks,
to
streamline
the
process
and
enhance
your
customer
experience
and
there's
a
number
of
areas
that
will
create
these
inefficiencies.
Some
of
them
relate
to
technology.
Some
of
them
relate
to
duplication
of
effort.
Some
of
them
deal
with
error,
the
old
adage
about
a
pound
of
prevention
or
sorry.
O
An
ounce
of
prevention
is
worth
a
pound
of
cure.
Some
of
them
have
to
do
with
how
you
approve
transactions
and
how
you
actually
undertake
your
activities
to
maximize
your
funding.
I
do
want
to
tell
council
this
I
have
worked
with
probably
a
hundred
municipalities
across
three
provinces.
This
is
not
the
first
time
I
have
seen
what
I
have
seen
in
Kingston.
The
delivery
of
Human
Services
is
very
complex.
It's
very
rigid,
it's
very
structured
and
in
a
number
of
cases,
particularly
with
respect
to
Ontario
Works,
it
has
undergone
significant
change
in
the
past
year.
O
What
we
have
seen
here,
we
have
seen
elsewhere,
and
so
what
I
would
suggest
to
you
is.
This
is
not
necessarily
a
reflection
on
Kingston
per
se.
What
this
is
is
this
is
a
reflection
on
the
system
and
the
complexity
that
you
operate
in.
Clearly,
there
are
some
nuances
here,
because
not
every
municipality
is
the
same,
but
the
reality
is
is
I
can
go
to
other
municipalities
and
I'm,
quite
confident
to
say.
I
will
find
the
same
things
that
I
have
found
here.
O
So,
as
I've
mentioned,
there's
200
or
so
potential
changes
that
we've
identified
from
a
process
mapping
perspective.
Some
of
these
are
very
low
hanging
fruit.
Other
err
of
these
are
more
substantive
in
nature
that
have
big
benefits,
but
frankly,
will
require
a
bit
more
investment
to
make.
In
the
report,
we've
identified
four
priority
areas
that
we
would
suggest
the
city
focus
on
the
first
one
deals
with
looking
at
the
effectiveness
of
your
administrative
processes
and
what
you'll
note
from
the
slide
and
what
you'll
note
from
the
report
is.
O
It
says
to
continue
your
process,
because
these
are
things
that
your
staff
have
already
identified.
These
are
things
that
your
staff
have
already
started
to
work
towards,
and
what
we
would
suggest
to
you
is
these
are
valid.
If
your
staff
haven't
picked
them
up,
we
would
suggest
you
pick
them
up
anyways,
so
continue
what
you're
doing
now.
O
There
was
reference
made
to
the
financial
savings
and
the
potential
benefits
from
this.
We've
done
an
analysis
of
savings
that
have
occurred
out
of
other
reviews
and
what
you
basically
suggest
to
you
is:
you
can
save
somewhere
between
2%
to
5%
of
administrative
time
associated
with
this
process.
I
want
to
caution
counsel.
O
This
is
not
2
to
5%
of
the
budgets,
because
what
you
will
find
inside
Ontario
works.
Your
largest
component
is
transfer
payment,
the
numbers
there
are
the
numbers
there.
So,
if
you're
going
to
say,
we
spend
X
millions
of
dollars
in
Health
and
Social
Services
and
we
could
reduce
it
by
5%.
The
math
doesn't
work.
O
What
we
would
also
suggest
is
that,
if
you're
going
to
get
these
gains,
they're
gonna
come
in
one
of
two
categories:
either
you're
going
to
free
up
capacity
to
be
able
to
redirect
those
efforts
elsewhere
or
you're,
going
to
realize
a
financial
savings
and
what's
important
to
recognize,
counsel
and
the
best
way
I
can
give.
The
example
is
this:
there
are
13
people
sitting
around
this
table
if
I
take
half
an
hour
out
of
your
days
through
process
efficiencies.
O
That
will
give
me
basically
one
day
worth
of
time
that
doesn't
let
me
reduce
council
by
one.
So
these
are
process
efficiencies
that
are
spread
across
multiple
departments,
multiple
people,
and
so
because
of
that,
in
order
to
realize
them,
you
actually
have
to
find
the
consolidation
that
allows
you
to
say:
oK,
we've
eliminated
not
the
equivalent
of
one
position,
but
we
can
tweak
things
so
that
where
we
have
attrition,
we
don't
necessarily
need
to
fill.
So
we
have
had
discussions
with
your
staff.
O
The
suggested
course
of
action
is
that
your
staff
go
back,
look
at
the
recommendation
and
develop
their
own
inflamation
implementation
plans
that
talk
about.
Where
are
you
going
to
focus
what's
the
low-hanging
fruit,
where
BIGBANG's,
what
are
your
resources
and
your
timeframes?
So
your
worship
and
members
of
council?
That
concludes
our
presentation.
I
do
want
to
end
with
one
comment
in
the
38
seconds
that
I
have
left.
O
Processes
like
this
can
be
exceptionally
difficult
for
stuff.
When
people
show
up
and
say,
tell
me
what
you
do.
Tell
me
why
you
do
it
and
tell
me
how
you
do
it
and
the
reality
is?
Is
there
was
trepidation
in
system
and
we
sensed
it
during
our
sessions,
particularly
the
ones
that
we
had?
Despite
this,
we
received
great
cooperation.
It
was
great
input
from
your
staff
and
there
was
a
high
degree
of
professionalism.
Things
clearly
can
change.
O
Things
clearly
can
get
better,
but
I
will
say
two
things
one
is
you
do
a
lot
of
things
right
and,
second
of
all,
council.
You
have
some
very
good
people
that
work
for
you
and
and
I
can
appreciate.
The
delegation.
I
was
gonna,
say
this
anyways.
What
I
do
want
to
say
is
I
would
be
very
remiss
if
I
didn't
thank
the
staff
who
took
the
opportunity
to
cooperate
with
us
and
provide
input,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
ultimately,
the
success
of
this
depends
on
the
contribution
of
your
people.
O
M
O
O
Why
don't
you
digitize
the
process
by
having
an
EFT
transfer
once
a
month,
much
like
how
I
pay
my
cable
bill?
So
these
are
some
of
the
examples
that
we've
identified.
There
is
the
potential
inside
Rideau
crest
and
your
staff
are
already
working
towards
addressing
those
issues
in
some
cases
you're
using
paper,
because
you've
always
used
paper.
In
some
cases
you're
using
paper
because
the
province
requires
you
to
and
in
some
cases,
you're
using
paper,
because
you
haven't
fully
utilized
technology,
so
there's
all
sorts
of
factors
that
lead
to
it.
O
M
So
so,
to
sum
up,
we've
saying
continue
to
digitize
that
we
don't
crest
and
other
systems
that
we've
already
begun,
we're
not
essentially
using
the
full
benefit
of
the
digitization,
that's
at
our
disposal.
So
my
second
question
is
kind
of
related.
It's
about
the
automation,
so
you
mentioned
automated
rent
collection,
for
example.
What
those
transfer
payments
is
there
anything
in
what
you
found
where
the
inefficiency
would
be
addressed
by
replacing
any
jobs
by
automation
or
even
partially,
by
automation
through.
O
You,
your
worship,
we
were
not
identifying
any
situations
where
you
would
use
optical
character,
recognition,
for
example,
to
replace
data
entry
and
part
of
the
part
of
the
reason
for
that
counselor.
If
you
will
and
to
be
frank,
you're,
not
processing
accounts,
payable
invoices
where
there's
standard
data
fields
in
their
standards
is
that
you're
looking
for
so,
for
example,
in
Ontario
works,
there's
records
of
income
that
are
provided
on
a
monthly
basis
by
some
of
the
caseload.
O
The
format's
are
such
that
there's
a
lot
of
significant
deviation
towards
them,
so
we
wouldn't
have
recognized
an
OCR.
For
example,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
you
do
have
people
that
are
involved
in
moving
documents
back
and
forth
to
the
extent
that
you
have
digitization
that
workload
goes
away.
I
want
to
caution.
You,
though
you
don't
have
a
full-time
person
whose
job
is
to
move
files
back
and
forth.
O
A
N
You
through
you,
mr.
mayor,
so
we
did
not
do
an
RFP
when
the
provincial
funding
was
announced.
There
were
some
very,
very
short
timelines
in
terms
of
when
a
report
had
to
be
done
and
posted
and
available
to
the
public.
So
when
we
came
to
council
to
make
sure
there
was
an
interest
for
us
to
move
forward
and
apply
for
this
funding,
we
also
requested
approval
to
do
a
sole
source
to
KPMG.
N
We
did
do
some
research
in
the
market
prior
that
to
see
who
had
some
experience,
particularly
in
these
service
areas,
and
knew
that
KPMG
did
that
KPMG
also
had
some
of
the
experience
being
our
auditors
as
well,
and
so
council
approved
us
to
do
a
sole
source
so
that
we
can
move
forward
with
the
work
quite
quickly.
Thank.
J
N
You
through
you,
mr.
mayor,
so
the
the
report
was
made
available
to
the
public
as
part
of
the
council
report,
so
January
7th,
so
it
would
have
been
posted
sometime
last
Wednesday
Thursday.
It
would
have
been
posted
made
available.
We
would
have
had
a
draft.
We've
worked
through
actually
two
or
three
drafts
prior
to
that.
So
we
actually
approved
the
final
draft
just
before
that
over
the
Christmas
holidays.
But.
J
N
The
original
agreement
was
by
December
31st.
We
did
have
a
conversation
with
the
ministry
over
the
holidays
and
they
agreed
that
as
long
as
we
had
it
posted
by
the
timeline
for
the
January
7th
meeting
publicly
that
we'd
be
okay,
we
did
actually
provide
it
to
the
ministry
in
a
draft
form
subject
to
it.
Coming
to
Council
by
December
31st.
Q
Thank
you
through
your
worship,
I'm
grateful
that
the
province
made
the
hundred
seventy-five
thousand
dollars
available
and
I'm,
assuming
we
spent
all
of
that
with
this
proposal.
However,
my
question
really
relates
to
having
done
this
work,
which
is
taxing
at
the
best
of
times.
Is
there
now
a
realized
savings
of
at
least
one
hundred,
seventy-five
thousand
dollars
on
an
annualized
basis,
going
forward.
N
You
through
you
mr.
mayor
I'll,
stir
it
and
mr.
pony
might
want
to
add
to
that.
I
would
say
at
this
point.
We
can't
answer
that
question.
We
have
the
list
of
recommendations
now
from
KPMG
and
from
the
staff
review.
The
next
steps
will
be
to
prioritize
those
recommendations
to
look
at
what
the
next
steps
are.
There
are
a
number
of
recommendations,
as
mr.
N
pony
said,
in
the
recommendation
that
we
are
in
his
presentation
that
we've
already
started
working
on,
so
some
of
our
priorities
will
be
to
finish
up
on
some
of
those
and
then
we'll
be
prioritizing
some
of
the
low-hanging
fruit.
If
you
will,
and
some
of
those
things
that
we
can
do
quickly
and
then
we'll
be
looking
at,
a
staff
will
have
a
plan
in
terms
of
what
do
we
build
into
the
work
plan
over
the
next
year?
So
we'll
certainly
know
or
as
we
start
to
to
implement
some
of
the
recommendations.
It's.
N
R
S
Your
worship
I,
threw
you
a
question
to
KPMG
for
the
200
process,
improvement
recommendations
in
the
report.
What
to
a
certain
time
frame,
do
you
think
is
reasonable
if
the
city
was
to
implement
the
majority
of
them.
Are
we
looking
more
within
the
next
five
years
or
are
the
recommendations
you
think
attainable
in
the
next
two
years,
with
certain
time
frame
through.
O
You,
your
worship,
the
the
recommendations
will
vary.
There
are
some
that
have
immediately
short
time
frames
where
you
could
look
to
change
your
processes
within
a
matter
of
months.
There
are
some
that
may
require
you
to
invest
in
technology,
so
there's
business
case
development
that
has
to
happen
so
the
reality
counselor
is
I.
O
Do
not
anticipate
this
as
a
five
year
process,
by
any
stretch
of
the
imagination,
I'm
cautious
about
time
frames,
because
to
put
it
out
there,
what
it
implies
is
that
you're,
taking
all
over
the
recommendations
all
at
once
and
then
that
comes
down
to
a
question
of
capacity
I
would
suggest
there
are
some
recommendations
that
you
could
implement
within
a
couple
of
months.
I
would
suggest,
there's
some
recommendations
that
may
take
you
up
to
18
months
to
two
years
to
and
some
of
the
more
substantive
ones.
If
you
will
thank
you,
cancer.
A
T
Thank
you,
worship,
the
in
your
summary.
You
indicated
that
there's
potential
savings
of
between
two
hundred
and
twenty
five
to
five
hundred
sixty
thousand
dollars
did
you
delineate
sort
of
what
share
of
that
would
just
require
us
to
rely
on
provincial
regulation
changes
through
you,
you
were
should.
O
O
You,
you
worship,
there's
a
couple
of
steps
that
we
undertook
to
do
this
in
one
respect.
What
we
did
was
and
it's
in
the
report
we
went
through
and
we
identified
specific
implementations
and
tried
to
quantify
the
estimated
time
savings
that
you
would
have
in
ours,
and
there
is
a
page
towards
the
end
of
the
report
that
lays
out
four
or
five
examples,
and
so
what
you
will
find,
then,
is
that
we've
used
to
say
if
we
take
that
and
apply
that
across
the
200
recognizing
some
of
the
savings
are
five
hours.
O
Some
of
the
savings
may
be
upwards
of
three
to
four
hundred
hours.
What
do
we
believe
the
quantum
is,
and
then
we
use
that
to
gut
check
a
series
of
analysis
that
we've
done
with
respect
to
other
reports,
to
look
at
other
municipalities
and
other
public
sector
organizations
to
say
where
they
have
undertaken
continuous
improvement,
where
they
have
undertaken
lean
transformations.
O
What
have
their
savings
been,
and
what
you
will
find
is
that
when
you
do
that
type
of
analysis
across
the
six
reports,
seven
reports
that
we
looked
at,
you
actually
get
a
range
and
in
one
case
for
example,
the
report
quantified
the
savings
as
saying
in
30
percent.
They
save
two
percent
or
less
in
40
percent.
O
They
say
between
two
to
five
percent
and
in
whatever
percent
they
saved
in
excess
of
five
to
seven
percent,
and
so
what
we
did
was
we
used
a
combination
of
what
we
could
see
from
some
of
the
implementation
efforts
and
what
we've
seen
in
other
organizations
to
arrive
at
a
range
broadly
of
two
to
five
percent.
So
once
again,
it
was
a
bit
specific
to
Kingston.
It
was
a
bit
relying
on
the
expectations
of
other
organizations
as
well.
Ultimately,
counsel,
if
I
may
in
my
comment
generally
speaking,
is
to
say
that
no
plan
survives
contact.
O
So
what
you
will
find
is
this:
you
will
have
a
process
that
you
believe
works.
You'll
have
a
process
that
you
can
identify.
These
changes
and
part
of
the
implementation
approach
is
to
say,
develop
a
hypothesis
for
how
you
would
change
this,
implement
the
change,
monitor
the
results
and
see
if
you
can
actually
achieve
the
savings
that
you're
hoping
for.
If
you
can't,
then
you
go
back
and
form
a
different
hypothesis.
What
this
all
is
contingent
on
is
that
the
province
doesn't
change.
O
The
rules
is
that
technology
doesn't
change,
and
it's
that
you
don't
find
something
that
occurs
where
you
say.
Oh,
we
did
not
realize
this,
and
so
because
of
that,
there's
a
potential
for
the
savings
to
either
be
greater
or
less,
and
so,
when
we
express
communications
with
respect
to
these
types
of
improvements,
we
always
provide
them
in
a
range.
These,
though,
are
yours.
O
These
aren't
if
the
province
changed
X.
This
is
how
much
you
would
save.
So
there
are
potential
savings
there
and
in
some
cases,
particularly
with
respect
to
Rito
crest,
there's
the
opportunity
for
higher
revenue,
because
if
you
change
your
processes,
you
have
the
potential
to
increase
what
the
province
calls
your
case-mix
index
or
your
CMI,
which
actually
gets
you
more
grant,
and
that
is
changing
a
process
to
generate
more
revenues.
O
T
On
the
way,
the,
if
you
look
at
page
32,
you've
got
some
of
those
examples
that
you
mentioned:
there's
four
of
them
and
you
get
you've
listed
some
hours
there.
So
now
you
indicated
that
there
were
200
reckon
they
roughly
200
recommendations
that
are
those
going
to
be
public,
that
part
of
the
public
document.
At
some
point,
the
200
recommendations.
N
T
V
H
Thank
you
and
through
you
picking
up
on
the
comment
just
made
about
the
savings
in
administration.
Is
it
expected
that
if
there
are
other
departments
that
had
a
similar
mix
of
administration
to
service
delivery,
however,
that
ratio
would
be
calculated
that
the
same
percentage
of
two
to
five
percent
could
be
found?
I
know
that's
a
bit
beyond
the
scope,
but,
generally
speaking
from
this
type
of
review,
would
a
similar
ratio
we
found
elsewhere
through.
O
Your
ship,
we
would
suggest
that
the
level
of
savings
will
be
contingent
on
the
service,
that's
an
so
something
that
is
particularly
administrative
process.
So
thinking,
corporate
services,
procurement
accounts
payable
accounts,
receivable
payroll
would
likely
generate
higher
savings
than
processes
such
as
Public
Works
work
order
management.
The
other
comment
that
I
will
make
is
you
do
not
deliver
services?
The
way
you
choose
to
in
a
lot
of
respects,
you
deliver
services.
O
The
way
the
province
tells
you
to
and
I'll
give
you
the
best
example
and
the
one
that
I
cite
under
the
rules
for
long-term
care
homes.
Every
resident
in
a
long-term
care
home
is
entitled
to
either
a
bath
or
shower
twice
a
week
in
the
form
of
their
choosing,
and
that
is
the
best
example
that
I
can
think
of
how
prescriptive
the
province
gets
when
they
are
delivering
Human
Services,
and
so
because
of
that,
and
it's
not
necessarily
administrative
process,
but
in
terms
of
the
reporting
in
terms
of
the
transaction
processing.
O
In
terms
of
the
documentation,
you
actually
have
very
little
latitude
compared
to
how
you
cut
an
Accounts
Payable
check
or
how
you
deploy
your
winter
resources,
and
so
because
of
that
the
percentage
may
seem
low,
but
the
reality
counsel
is
this.
Is
this
is
an
area
where
you
really
don't
have
a
lot
of
discretion
in
terms
of
what
you
do?
Different
departments
may
have
different
opportunities,
and
it's
not
within
our
scope.
O
What
I
would
what
I
would
suggest
is
some
of
the
benefits
that
we've
identified
for
your
Human
Services
will
actually
spill
into
finance,
because
I
mentioned
that
prepping
a
requisition
12
times
a
year
as
opposed
to
one
EFT.
The
other
side
of
that
is
your
accounts
payable
person
who
has
to
write
12
checks
as
opposed
to
one
EFT.
So
you
will
see
some
spillover.
O
H
O
Through
you,
your
worship,
once
again,
we
were
not
looking
at
the
service
level
and
the
appropriateness
of
the
service
level.
So,
for
example,
are
you
providing
access
in
a
time
frame
and
in
formats
that
your
clients
want
that
was
outside
of
our
scope?
What
we
did
look
at,
though,
is
from
a
process
perspective
where
your
staff
and
your
teams
were
interacting
with
the
clients
and
asking
the
question:
does
this
really
give
you
the
best
in
customer
service?
O
So,
for
example,
if
you
look
at
the
services
that
you
provide
sprinkled
throughout
them
is
the
concept
of
income
verification
I
need
to
qualify
for
child
fee
subsidy
I
need
to
qualify
for
Ontario
Works
benefits.
Those
are
not
provided
under
what
we
call
a
one
window
format
now,
and
so
because
of
that
conceivably
I
could
come
to
the
city
and
I
can
income
qualify
for
one
service
and
then
I
have
to
go
through
a
second
process.
O
That
is
an
inefficiency
from
a
process
perspective
on
your
part,
because
you're
doing
the
same
thing
twice,
but
it's
also
a
customer
limitation
when
you
think
about
childcare
services,
there's
a
mandatory
requirement
for
the
province
for
people
to
meet
with
families
that
have
child
fees.
Subsidy,
there's
also
a
mandatory
requirement
for
you
to
update
their
income
information
based
on
notices
of
assessment.
O
If
you
do
those
in
two
separate
meetings,
that's
a
process,
inefficiency,
but
what
it
also
is
is
it's
an
impact
on
the
customer,
because
what
you're
making
me
do
is
coming
in
twice
as
opposed
to
once.
So
that
is
the
concept
in
the
context
with
which
we
viewed
customer
service.
Admittedly,
some
of
the
initiatives
that
we've
identified
are
going
to
potentially
enhance
the
customer
experience
at
the
end
of
the
day,
though,
the
concept
of
how
should
I
be
able
to
access
these
services.
A
E
Thank
you
I
rise
now
to
present
a
petition
from
the
citizens
in
my
district
and
other
residents
as
well
against
paving
a
trail
in
my
district.
This
has
been
signed
by
718
residents
of
the
city
of
Kingston
and
as
breed's
as
follows:
12
current
past
and
future
users
of
the
Rideau
trail
that
runs
on
the
east
side
of
little
Cataraqui
Creek
between
Parkway
and
Queen,
Mary,
Road
and
everyone
concerned
about
the
environment.
The
city
of
Kingston
is
building
a
multi-use
past
way
connecting
Parkway
and
Queen
Mary
roads
as
part
of
Kingston's
active
transportation
plan.
E
The
pathway
will
be
built
on
a
part
of
the
Rideau
trail
that
runs
through
a
conservation
area.
On
the
east
side
of
the
little
Cataraqui
Creek
wetlands,
the
wetlands
are
home
to
a
diverse
range
of
aquatic
and
nested
and
nesting
species.
The
multi-use
pathway
will
improve
accessibility
to
the
area,
but
is
not
being
designed
to
minimize
environmental
impact.
The
City
of
Kingston
plans
to
pay
by
petroleum-based
asphalt
road
down
this
portion
of
the
rito
trail.
Instead
of
using
a
more
environmentally
friendly,
surfacing
option.
E
The
city
of
kingston
has
no
data
on
how
we
use
this
green
space
daily,
yet
is
pushing
forward
with
its
pave
it
and
leave
its
solution.
We
are
requesting
a
compromise,
build
an
accessible
pathway,
not
paved
with
asphalt,
but
surfaced
with
stone,
dust
and
elevated
as
long
and
evaluated
as
long
term
use
and
impact
on
the
wetland
area
to
inform
best
practices
for
future
development.
A
E
A
A
Q
A
B
A
Q
The
recipient
of
the
year-end
report
sounds
to
me
like
the
full
budget
is
being
approved,
but
there
are
some
additional
I
guess
milestones
that
will
be
reached
in
order
to
fully
comply.
So
I
would
just
like
to
point
that
out
that
this
is
something
that
seems
to
take
place
for
smaller
organizations
and
therefore
would
be
more
than
suitable
for
an
organization
like
KidCo
and
I'd
like
to
ask
mr.
D
I
Sla,
we
also
work
through
identifying
payment
schedules
and
they
are
partly
in
place
to
ensure
cash
flow
for
these
smaller
organisations.
So
they
have
money
from
the
beginning
of
the
fiscal
year
to
cover
their
their
needs,
but
also
to
then
have
the
opportunity
to
withhold
funds
and
tell
us,
as
we
can
finalize
the
terms
of
an
SLA
and
then
ensure
the
compliance
or
the
completion
of
the
SLA
by
the
end
of
the
year,
which
is
the
reason
for
the
10%
hold
back
as
well.
Q
R
You
and
three
mr.
mayor,
so
from
a
staff
perspective,
we
can
definitely
apply
a
different
structure
for
any
of
the
organizations
that
we
work
with,
and
we
would
assume
that
we
wouldn't
just
supply
it
to
one
but
to
all
of
them
which
we
would
have
those
relationships
with.
But
we
would
definitely
be
looking
for
some
council
guidance
before
going
down
that
road.
Q
Yes,
thank
you,
your
worship,
I
notice,
here
that
we
have
the
borrowing
capacity
in
theory
of
two
hundred
and
fifty
million
dollars
for
the
period
of
January,
first
2020
in
September,
30th
2020
to
our
target
2020
rather,
and
a
period
of
125
million
dollars
of
borrowing
capacity.
If
we
were
to
borrow
all
of
the
money
and
I
would
just
like
to
ask
staff
if,
in
fact,
we've
ever
come
close
to
needing
to
borrow
such
a
significant
quantity
of
money,
miss
Kennedy.
A
N
You
through
you,
mr.
mayor,
so
no
we
have
not.
We
do
put
this
in
place
because
we
do
have
throughout
the
month
of
January
until
our
February
interim
tax
bills
are
starting
to
money
is
starting
to
come
in.
We
do
have
to
borrow
somewhere
in
the
range
of
up
to
probably
maximum
about
twenty
million
dollars
throughout
January.
We
do
that
internally
through
ourselves,
so
we
borrow
from
our
own
reserve
funds
and
then
just
pay
the
interest
back
and
forth
between
the
general
fund
and
the
reserve
fund,
so
we've
never.
B
A
So
my
ruling
in
this
case
is
that,
because
this
is
a
recommend
date,
this
is
a
recommendation
to
reconsider
that
is
coming
from
staff.
That
is
fair
to
give
staff
an
opportunity
to
be
able
to
provide
some
context
about
why
the
recommendation
is
to
reconsider,
so
I
would
consider
to
be
in
order
in
this
particular
case.
However,
you
are
correct
that
for
the
actual
motion
to
reconsider
that
debate
is
restricted
until
and
unless
the
reconsideration
passes
from
Council.
So.
M
A
P
P
With
regard
to
the
recycle
service,
since
1994
municipalities
in
Ontario
have
been
mandated
to
provide
recycling
services
and
for
more
than
20
years,
Kingston
has
delivered
this
service
through
a
combination
of
in-house
and
contracted
services,
with
the
curbside
collection
for
the
East
and
West
areas
of
the
city
being
being
performed
under
a
contract
that
we
manage
and
for
the
central
part
of
the
city.
The
collection
service
is
being
performed
by
city
staff.
P
There
are
three
major
components
involved
in
the
recycling
process.
There's
the
curbside
collection,
there's
the
processing
that
happens
at
the
material
recycling
facility.
Sometimes
we
call
that
the
MuRF,
but
it's,
but
the
broader
name,
is
the
Kingston
Area
recycling
center
and
the
last
component.
Major
component
is
the
marketing
of
materials
since
2003.
P
The
program
costs
for
the
service
have
been
funded
on
a
50/50
model,
with
the
with
the
50%
generally
coming
from
the
producers
of
materials
and
the
cost
for
collection
of
processing
have
been
increasing
and
the
revenue
that's
been
generated
through
the
marketing
of
materials
has
been
decreasing
since
2017,
creating
a
greater
tax
burden.
Over
the
past
several
years,
Kingston
has
been
exploring
the
feasibility
of
converting
to
a
dual
stream
processing
system.
P
The
other
was
for
the
collection
contracts
which
our
current
contracts
for
the
east
and
west
are
going
to
expire
on
the
30th
of
June
in
2020
and
they're
both
linked.
We
need
to
understand
if
we
are
going
to
go
to
a
dual
stream,
because
that
impacts
the
nature
of
the
contract
that
we
would
award
for
the
collection
processes
and
so
staff
did
issue
both
of
those
RFPs
and
has
responses
on
both
of
them.
As
a
precautionary
measure.
P
I
will
point
out
that
there's
an
information,
there's
information
on
this
and
a
call
to
action
in
a
communication
from
a
MoU,
the
association
of
municipalities,
of
Ontario
on
tonight's
agenda.
So
these,
pending
changes
create
some
uncertainties,
certainly
with
the
future
of
the
municipal
recycling
facility,
coupled
with
the
fact
that
the
cost
that
we
received
to
convert
to
dual
stream
came
in
at
slightly
over
five
million
dollars
and
the
capital
a
budget
that's
been
approved,
for
that
process
is
only
three
point:
two
five
million
dollars.
P
P
We.
What
what
we
are
talking
about,
then,
is
really.
It
comes
down
to
the
the
award
of
a
contract
and
and
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
proceed
at
this
point
in
time
to
to
convert
the
MuRF
to
a
dual
stream.
And
if
that
is
the
case,
we
would
have
to
come
back
with
a
report
at
some
point
and
increase
the
budget.
Amendment
or
ask
for
a
budget
amendment
and
and
know
that
answer
before
we
can
award
a
contract
I
think
that's
all
I
have
to
offer
for
now.
H
X
L
X
X
Through
you,
your
worship
that
is
correct,
there
has
been
no
identification
of
when
those
municipalities
will
go.
What
we
do
have
is
a
communication
that
came
from
the
association
of
municipalities
of
Ontario,
a
call
to
action
to
to
councils,
urging
them
to
pass
resolutions
of
when
they
think
they
would
like
to
transition
when
it
makes
most
sense
for
them
when
contracts
are
up
and
again
many
municipalities
are
looking
towards
how
to
align
themselves.
With
this
new
change
and.
X
Three
here,
worship
passing
these
options,
doesn't
mean
that
we're
transitioning
to
this
to
this
new
producer
responsibility
regime.
What
it
means
is
that
we're
positioning
ourselves
to
be
able
to
do
it
very
smoothly
in
the
future
and
be
in
a
position
that
we
can
recover
a
hundred
percent
of
our
costs.
When
that
happens,
Thank.
J
Thank
you,
I'm.
Just
a
little
curious
I've
been
on
a
ITP
for
about
a
decade
now,
and
this
kind
of
detailed
service
adjustment
for
waste
management
has
always
come
to
II
ITP
for
a
more
fulsome
debate,
I'm
just
curious
why
it's
come
directly
to
Council.
Perhaps
somebody
could
address
that.
Mr.
kidney
through.
P
You
your
worship,
yes,
we
have
had
many
many
discussions
about
the
transition
and
about
the
recycling
service
at
a
ITP.
This
has
come
directly
to
Council
because
it's
primarily
a
financial
decision.
We
are
at
a
crossroads.
We
have.
We
do
not
have
enough
budget
and
it's
a
very
risky
time,
in
staffs
opinion,
to
invest
over
five
million
dollars
in
a
facility
that
we
are
not
sure
what
its
future
used
is
going
to
be
under
the
new
regime
and
then-
and
the
second
piece
is-
is
basically
the
award
of
a
contract.
J
Given
the
complexity
of
the
report
and
the
complexity
of
your
answer
just
now,
I
don't
know
why
this
wouldn't
still
go
through
the
usual
process
of
going
to
an
umbrella
committee
for
full
public
input
and
then
come
back
to
Council
with
a
recommendation.
So
I'm
still
curious
about
that.
Thank
you.
So.
A
M
We
did
vote
on
it
in
March
of
last
year
so
ten
months
ago
and
I
remember
some
of
the
questions
and
the
discussion
at
that
time
was
around
the
uncertainty
of
the
provincial
regulations
and
the
provincial
changes
and
that
uncertainty
was
discussed
at
that
time,
and
yet
we
still
recommended
to
council
to
proceed
with
the
transition.
So
I
guess.
M
My
question
to
staff
is
what
exactly
I
know
some
of
it's
in
the
report,
but
maybe
we
could
state
it
again
because
there's
people
watching
here
tonight
that
I
haven't
been
watching
the
whole
time,
especially
the
last
iteration.
So
what
has
come
up
since
March
2019?
That
would
that,
in
staffs
opinion
drastically
changed
what
was
discussed
in
March,
2019
chemistry.
P
You
your
worship,
so
a
couple
of
things
have
happened.
First
of
all,
the
direction
to
staff
and
the
way
that
staff
understood
the
report
was
that
that
March
Direction
was
not
a
go.
It
was
simply
take
the
next
step,
which
is
issue
the
RFPs
and
find
out
what
the
cost
of
this
could
be,
and
there
was
there
was
specific
discussion
at
committee
that
evening
that
we
would
in
fact
come
back.
So
we
even
if
this
had
come
in
at
the
three
point,
two
five
million
dollars
and
and
the
uncertainty
wasn't
there
we
wouldn't
have.
P
We
wouldn't
have
felt
that
we
had
the
ability
to
simply
move
forward.
We
would
have
come
back
with
a
final
recommendation,
one
way
or
the
other.
That's
one
piece
of
the
answer.
The
second
piece
of
the
answer
is
in
March.
We
were
still
a
few
months
away
from
the
provincial
election
and
we
which
happened
in
June
of
2019-
and
we
were
waiting
to
see
whether
provincial
election
might
change
some
of
the
direction
that
the
province
was
speaking
to
am
I,
getting
that
mixed
I.
P
Okay,
so
I'm
sorry,
yes,
there
was
a.
There
was
a
provincial
election
and
I
just
got
the
year
wrong,
but
we
were
still
waiting
for
the
for
the
new
government
to
confirm
that
they
were
going
to
continue
to
pursue
these
legislated
changes
as
had
been
discussed
with
the
previous
government,
and
we
didn't
get
that
confirmation.
Finally,
until
August
of
2019,
my
apologies.
M
Okay,
so
the
following
question
is
just
to
dive
into
that
a
little
bit
deeper,
so
so
in
in
March
2019.
We
knew
there
was
a
new
government,
but
we
hadn't
heard
their
position
yet
and
and
so
what
is
it
about
the
position?
That's
significantly
different
from
the
previous
governments
that
will
that
will
require
us
to
reconsider
our
decision
that
we
made
not
having
heard
their
position
because
was
their
position
not
very
similar
in
the
end
to
the
previous
governments,
Mr.
A
W
Thank
you,
and
through
you,
I
I
was
a
little
bit
surprised
when
I
read
that
where
this
includes
that
the
city
will
amend
its
existing
agreement
with
based
connections
to
include
the
central
area
and
I.
Just
wonder:
why
was
that
part
of
it
when,
when
the
discussion
is
about
the
kind
of
system
that
we're
using,
why?
Why
would
we
transition
our
services.
X
Your
worship,
so
more
details
have
been
determined,
there's
been
more
speculation
around
how
these
producers
will
operate
and
how
they
will
meet
their
obligations
and
responsibilities,
and
what
we
know
is
that
they're
gonna
get
full
decision
making
to
meet
these
obligations
under
regulation
and
they
will
be
obligated
to
pay
a
hundred
percent
of
the
costs.
And
if
that
is
the
case,
we
may
not
be
responsible
for
even
procuring
that
service
any
further.
We
may
not
be
responsible
for
even
putting
out
a
contract
in
the
future
like
they
did
in
British
Columbia.
X
The
producers
themselves
may
put
out
RFPs
to
procure
that
service,
and
so
looking
at
all
of
this
and
trying
to
understand
now,
we
have
dates
around
when
this
is
going
to
happen
and
proceeding
with
a
longer
term
contract
to
2028.
When
we
know
transition
is
going
to
end
in
2025
puts
us
in
a
rescue
position.
X
We
know
that
at
some
point,
delivering
the
service
in
in-house
may
have
to
be
discontinued,
we're
recommending
that
it
be
discontinued
sooner
and
that
we
extend
the
agreement
with
our
existing
provider
so
that
it's
packaged
together
and
that
we
have
a
good
understanding
of
what
those
costs
are,
because
if
we
continue
to
deliver
the
service
afterwards,
we
have
to
be
prepared
that
they
are
only
going
to
be
willing
to
pay
us.
A
market
cost.
W
X
If
there
was
any
variance
between
a
market
price
per
ton
or
a
market
price
for
stop,
then
presumably
what
we
have
heard
is
that
municipalities
would
continue
to
be
on
the
hook
to
pay
for
that
variance.
So
if
our
cost
was
$200,
a
ton
and
the
market
was
a
hundred,
the
city
would
still
be
responsible
for
funding
that
that
gap
between
the
market
value
and
what
it
costs
us
to
self
deliver.
W
In
my
last
question,
so
what's
the
concern
that
why
are
we
not
actually
taking
it
to
committee
why
this
is
complicated
and
there's
some
speculation
and
it's
very
expensive?
So
it
would
take
a
few
extra
months
to
take
it
to
committee,
but
it
seems
for
all
of
us
to
make
a
really
good
decision.
We
really
have
to
understand
this
in
in
certainly
greater
depth.
A
Q
Yes,
thank
you
through
your
chair
with
respect
to
the
disposition
of
equipment
having
questioned
and
been
maybe
perhaps
critical
in
the
past
of
purchasing
procedures
for
equipment.
I
am
very
leery
to
liquidate
any
any
equipment,
and
so
I'd
like
to
know
the
process
that
would
be
utilized.
Should
we
sell
garbage
trucks
from
our
fleet.
P
You
your
worship,
when
we
have
surplus
equipment,
usually
in
late
duty
fleet,
for
example
or
other
pieces,
we
tend
to
they're
off
they're,
usually
at
end
of
life,
and
we
tend
to
run
them
through
an
auction.
In
this
particular
case,
we
would
do
much
like
process
much
like
we
do
would
with
real
estate,
where
we
would
get
our
own
appraisal.
We
would
get
an
independent
appraisal,
and
then
we
would
work
a
negotiation
on
that
on
that
price.
If
there
was
a
variance,
it
would
be
negotiated.
A
V
Thank
you,
your
worship,
given
me
clear
complexities
in
the
timing
and
the
number
of
unknowns
in
this
I
think
it
would
be
prudent
to
defer
this
report
to
committee
and
I
intend
to
make
that
motion
right
now
and
that
is
moved
by
myself
and
seconded
by
councillor.
Mcclaren.
A
Clause
1
B
of
report,
number
13
from
CEO
recommend
be
deferred
and
referred
to
the
council
with
scheduled
meeting
Aid
is
scheduled
for
Tuesday
February,
the
18th
2020,
and
that
the
EIT
P
committee
be
authorized
to
hold
a
public
consultation
session
on
this
matter.
A
J
Just
a
little
curious-
and
this
is
a
question
for
our
clerks-
if
we're
scheduling
for
February
18th
but
the
EIT
P
public
debate
and
discussion
and
input
to
counsel-
is
happening,
February
11th.
Does
that
allow
enough
time
to
process
that,
wouldn't
we
be
better
off
with
the
first
meeting
in
March
mr.
U
M
Further
to
councillor
Neil's
question
I'm
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
what
this
would
look
like.
Procedurally,
so
if
passed,
this
deferral
would
mean
there
would
be
an
item
at
the
ITP
for
public
consultation.
Only,
but
not,
but
not
necessarily
any
discussion
or
debate
between
the
members
of
the
committee
and
staff.
Is
that
correct?
Mr.
U
V
U
A
J
Like
our
previous
motion
this,
this
was
something
that
was
quite
complex
and
came
to
us
at
a
fairly
late
date
on
Monday,
and
unless
somebody
read
the
newspaper,
the
public
weren't
aware
of
this
either
and
I
just
want
to
say
I
love
living
in
Kingston.
We
can
fill
this
room
even
when
we
don't
give
the
information
out
to
the
public,
which
is
a
kind
of
interesting
aspect
of
our
city.
I
will
say
that
I
think
it's.
J
It's
really
really
critical
that
we
have
an
opportunity
to
review
this,
because
it
is
a
very
complex
report
and
previous
councillor,
I,
believe
councillor
Hill
pointed
out
that
there
were
200
over
200
recommendations,
but
those
recommendations
aren't
even
in
this
report
that
we've
received.
There
were
four
that
were
highlighted
for
a
for
a
council
that
prides
itself
in
transparency
and
open
government
I.
J
Don't
know
why
we
wouldn't
have
access
to
reading
all
of
those
recommendations
and
for
that
reason,
I
have
a
minor
amendment
and
I
believe
I
passed
it
down
seeking
for
a
seconder,
but
it's
a
really
simple
amendment
that
counts
that
we
replace.
The
word
endorse
with
the
word
receive
the
review
in
order
for
staff
to
answer
questions
that
I
would
love
to
ask,
but
in
in.
A
M
Yes,
I
guess
it's
a
question:
the
staff
about
the
change
proposing
the
amendment.
So
if
we
simply
receive
the
report,
knowing
that
we
don't
know
the
suggested
details
of
implementation,
which
is
to
come
at
a
future
date
is
does
this?
Does
this
wording
change
have
an
effect
on
the
result?
In
other
words,
does
it
have?
If
we
endorse
the
report,
does
it
preclude
us
from
a
decision
in
the
future?
Once
we
see
the
implementation
recommendations,
CEO
Bertil,
thank.
R
You
and
now
three
mr.
mayor
so
know
it.
It
doesn't
have
an
impact
in
the
sense
that
we,
as
staff,
are
still
gonna
work
with
our
teams
and
come
back
to
you
with
some
proposed
implementation,
where
its
policy
related.
So
you
have
an
understanding
of
the
implications
that
may
be
in
terms
of
staff
capacity,
time
or
financial
implication
what
has
been
driving.
Obviously,
the
timing
for
this
particular
report
has
been
the
province,
so
I'm
sure
the
province
will
be
at
some
point
in
the
near
future.
R
M
R
M
A
A
H
You
Mary
Patterson
through
you,
I,
want
to
take
a
very
quick
moment
to
strongly
express
my
support
as
the
district
councillor
for
the
area.
I
had
the
opportunity
and
the
pleasure
really
to
meet
with
the
developer
and
the
nonprofit
on
Granada
and
talk
through
many
different
deliberations
that
I
had
about
it
and
they
were
able
to
provide
very
good
answers.
I
think
the
report
reflects
that
and
the
thing
that
I
like
most
about
it
is
twofold.
H
We
will
provide
units
at
60%
of
market
value
and
I
think
that
if
we
can
encourage
that
from
other
developments
in
our
community
will
go
a
long
way
to
addressing
the
affordable
housing
crisis
that
we
face
so
I
think
it's
an
obvious
positive
for
our
community
and
I
hope
that
everyone
will
support
it.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
V
Thank
you,
worship
I
can
understand
why
this
is
attracted
to
in
some
ways,
reviews
of
a
certain
lands,
but
I
want
to
just
make
a
point
that
once
again,
this
is
a
deal
that
takes
place
and
has
an
end.
In
the
first
case,
the
60%
average
market
rents
are
last
25
years
and
then
we
lose
them
and
then
the
other
eight
units,
the
units
yet
the
last
20
years,
and
then
we
lose
them.
V
Councillor
Neill
and
I
pointed
out
this
repeatedly
that
this
is
really
not
a
great
deal
in
those
terms
and
it
I
wish
we
would
spend
more
money
building
our
own,
affordable
housing
which
could
last
indefinitely
and
is
cheaper.
If
you
think
about
the
50
or
more
years,
you
would
get
out
of
that
building.
If
you
look
after
it
and
I've
calculated
it
out,
and
it
is
cheaper
than
these
deals,
so
I
realize
I'm
glad
to
hear
what
the
counselor
Kiley
had
to
say
and
glad
the
neighborhood's
rallied
around
we're.
V
V
G
G
V
Okay,
so
those
are
good
numbers
if
you're
looking
if
you're
you're,
employed
and
you're
going
out-
and
you
know
looking
for
an
apartment-
they're,
not
so
good
if
you're
on
social
assistance,
okay,
the
one-bedroom
I,
believe
that's
what
mrs.
nor
the
guard
said.
It's
$600
you're
not
getting
anything
like
that
on
Oh
W,
so
the
80%
of
$800-
that's
better,
perhaps
but
I
just
want
people
to
recognize
the
compromised
nature
of
these
deals
all
right
now.
V
Having
said
that,
I
know
that
valper
I
talked
at
length
about
that
with
him,
and
his
son
and
I
applaud
what
they're
doing
his
counselor
Kiley
said.
I
don't
disagree
with
anything.
He
said
what
is
the
municipality?
We
have
dedicated
a
certain
amount
of
money
and
I
think
for
this,
and
then
this
is
going
to
disappear.
V
V
We've
got
an
asset
and
we've
got
it
under
our
control
and
we
can
protect
certain
portions
of
our
market,
so
I'm
not
expecting
to
change
anybody's
vote
here
unless
you
want
to
you
know,
but
but
I
am
I,
really
think
this
is
an
ongoing
problem
and
we
need
to
be
aware
that
these
shortcomings
are
baked
into
these
deals.
Thank
you.
Thank.
Q
Thank
you
through
your
chair.
It
is
my
understanding,
consular
Kiley,
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
also
met
with
the
developer
and
was
quite
interested
in
knowing
that
the
residents
intended
for
the
through
the
partnership,
Wanda
Wanda,
are
going
to
be
those
that
are
less
but
less,
have
less
mental
capacity
there
and
need
a
little
assistance
on
their
own
they're,
not
they're,
not
they're,
very
vulnerable.
Members
of
society
is.
H
W
W
So
how
long
will
those
properties
actually
belong
to
the
city
I'm
just
kind
of
following
up
on
what
councillor
Hutchison
was
concerned
about
and
I
think
that
is,
is
raising
a
really
good
point,
because
very
investing
a
lot
of
money
in
something
that
we
actually
don't
own.
So
I
just
want
to
just
go
over
those
details.
Please.
R
You
in
and
through
you
mr.
mayor,
so
a
couple
of
things:
usually
the
municipality
doesn't
own
affordable
housing
properties,
so
they
would
be
owned
by
other
organizations,
whether
they're
non
for
profit
like
Kingston,
Frontenac,
Housing,
Corporation
or
tippy
mozo
et
cetera.
So
we
do
work
with
a
number
of
non
for
profit
organization
and
then
we
also
have
affordable
housing
agreements
with
the
private
sector.
So
in
some
cases
we
actually
provided
capital
funding.
In
other
cases,
we
provided
rent
supplements
or
a
combination
of
both,
but
the
city
doesn't
actually
own
and
operate
its
affordable
housing
units.
R
So
in
this
case,
what
we're
talking
about
is
a
contribution,
a
capital
contribution
of
three
million
dollars
for
the
20
units
that
are
going
to
have
supportive
house
and
those
are
gonna,
be
obviously
targeted
to
people
that
are
recipients
of
the
Ontario
Disability
Support
Programme,
which
my
understanding,
based
on
our
discussions
with
on
Grenada.
This
would
work
in
terms
of
some
of
the
funding
that
they
receive
for
their
shelter
allowance
funding.
The
other
$400,000
that's
being
proposed
is
to
help
support
the
construction
of
the
additional
eight
units
that
would
be
at
80
percent
market.
R
Rent
those
would
not
necessarily
be
strictly
restricted
to
clients
of
on
Grenada,
although
my
understanding
is
that
there's
still
some
conversation
there
happening
and
there's
some
potential
flexibility.
So
that's
how
that
the
funding
is
proposed.
The
the
breakdown
that
we
have
provided
to
council
is
to
show
where
the
funding
would
come
from,
because
a
portion
of
it
comes
from
different
actual
programs.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that
was
broken
down
for
council
to
understand
how
it
would
be
financed.
Y
Z
Housing
there's
an
opportunity
here
for
28,
affordable
housing
units
and,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
people
that
are
going
to
be
serviced
by
this.
They
don't
really
care
about.
You
know
some
of
the
little
details
of
nickel
and
diming
and
trying
to
find
the
best
deal
on
affordable
housing.
I
think
this
is
a
portfolio
where
there's
many
solutions,
there's
no
one-size-fits-all,
perfect
solution
to
providing
these
units.
I
think
the
main
thing
that
we
need
to
do
is
provide
access
to
these
units.
Z
So
if
we
can
provide
28,
affordable
housing
units
at
this
property,
I
think
that's
a
boon
to
the
people
that
are
out
there.
Looking
for
it
is
it
always
gonna
be
the
best
way?
No
is
it
the
only
way?
No
but
I
think
a
diversification
and
how
we
provide
these
units
is
key
going
forward,
because
we
know
that
if
we
try
to
put
them
all
the
eggs
in
one
basket,
what
can
happen
so
in
this
essence,
I
think
it's
just
looking
at
it
logically.
Could
it
be
a
little
bit
more
expensive?
Z
Yes,
but
at
the
same
time,
if
you
were
to
say,
I've
got
28
other
units
that
I
can
give
you
a
little
bit
cheaper,
then
we
compare
apples
to
apples,
but
we
don't
have
that
offer
right
now.
So
this
is
what's
on
the
floor.
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
support
this
and
basically
allow
this
to
happen.
Do
we
have
to
support
it
a
little
bit
as
a
municipality?
Yes,
is
this
something
we're
going
forward?
Z
A
U
B
A
A
Q
A
Q
You
can
lump
it's
simply
the
second
paragraph
age
based
categories
be
separated
and
from
the
income
limit
of
my
kingston
municipal,
Assistance
Program,
and
then
this
the
subsequent
first
third
and
and
fourth
can
be
lumped
with
each
of
them.
You
could
basically
I
want
I
just
want
to
be
able
to
be
able
to
vote
in
favor
of
age
base,
discounts.
A
A
H
Yeah
one
other
question
of
clarification
about
this.
Like
came
up
at
committee
and
I
was
trying
to
parse
it
out
in
the
language
before
us
tonight.
There's
the
discussion
about
for
lack
of
better
term
I,
don't
like
it,
but
I'll
use
it
double
dipping
and
it
says
in
Clause
1
at
current
discount
levels,
and
my
understanding
was
that
the
discount
for
before
us
tonight
would
be
deepening
from
20%
to
50%,
but
that
people
who
qualified
based
on
age
would
get
it
based
on
that,
but
not
all.
AA
H
AA
A
M
B
H
A
And
that
carries
okay.
We
have
nothing
from
committee
of
the
whole,
we
have
no
information
reports.
We
have
no
information
reports
of
members
of
council
miscellaneous
business
number
one
that
the
resignation
of
dr.
daniela,
luke
technical,
representative,
Royal,
Military
College
from
the
Kingston
environmental
advisory
forum
be
received
with
regrets,
can
I
have
a
go
and
we'll
do
this
is
one
and
that
dr.
Tamsin
Lang
be
appointed
to
the
Kingston
environment
to
advisory
forum
as
a
Royal
Military
College
technical
representative
can
I
have
a
mover
for
that.
Please
moved
by
councillor
Neill
seconded
by
councillor
Doherty.
A
E
You
so
this
motion
came
to
me
as
a
result
of
citizen
engagement.
Many
of
the
residents
in
the
area
are
concerned
that
this
trail
will
be
paved,
and
that
is
in
fact
what
the
plan
is
right
now
and
it
is
not
in
our
opinion,
the
best
way
to
do
things,
one
of
the
things
that
we
as
a
city
have
committed
to
is
more
sustainability,
more
environmental
concerns,
and
when
we
have
those
as
values,
one
of
the
things
we
do
is
we
change
the
way
we
do
things,
so
it
becomes
a
little
harder.
E
Of
course,
it's
always
easier
just
to
dump
things
or
to
do
it
in
the
most
easy
way
possible,
but
part
of
becoming
sustainable
is
that
we
do
things
little
bit
differently
and
one
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
a
little
bit
different.
That
we're
suggesting
here
is
stone
dust
versus
pavement.
As
the
delegation
had
pointed
out
there's.
E
All
the
reasons
that
were
given
to
me
by
staff
and
I'm
sure
we'll
hear
from
them
shortly
can
be
mitigated.
We
can
make
a
situation
better
from
an
environmental
perspective
and
that's
what
this
is
about.
We
as
the
I
guess
where
the
buck
stops
are
here
to
sometimes
make
exceptions
to
policies
that
could
be
done
better,
and
this
is
one
where
718
citizens
have
said
they
would
prefer
this
other
way
of
doing
things,
and
it
happens
to
be
a
better
environmental
way
to
do
things.
E
AB
Yeah
I
applaud
this
motion
and
we'll
support
it.
I
just
think
that
the
voice
of
the
community
is
very
important
here
in
700
signatures
is
quite
a
signature
and
quite
a
accomplishment
to
achieve
and
I
think
that
I
I
kind
of
wonder
why
it
has
to
come
to
this
and
why,
in
these
I
guess
I'm
looking
for
common
practice,
so
what's
the
best
practice
for
a
sensitive
area
like
this,
this
seems
like
a
reasonable
request
from
that
community
and
considering
all
that
has
to
be
done
there.
I
guess.
AB
P
You,
your
worship,
a
hard
surface,
is
definitely
a
more
accessible
service.
There's
no
question
about
it.
This,
the
design
of
of
this
particular
pathway
in
the
active
transportation
plan,
is
meant
to
take
it
from
what
is
currently
a
recreational
trail
and
make
it
an
actual
part
of
the
active
transportation
network.
So
it's
a
it's
a
fairly
important
link.
The
consultation
on
the
active
transportation
plan
identified
this.
P
It
is
important
to
understand
that
this,
this
particular
segment
of
connection
is
piggybacking
on
utilities,
Kingstown
project
and
so
utilities
kingston
is,
is
upgrading
the
combined
sewer
in
this
location
that
runs
through
here
and
we're
joining
with
them.
We
did
consult
with
and
had
a
project
consultant
from
the
municipal
advisory
committee,
and
we
always
envisioned
it
to
be
a
nashville
surface.
M
If
you
look
at
this
request
from
the
point
of
view
of
a
district
counselor,
bringing
forward
a
huge
petition
and
it's
from
upswell
or
whatever
it's
called
groundswell
of
opinion
in
the
neighborhood
for
retaining
more
natural,
feel
and
better
permeability
like
if
you
just
look
at
the
pros
that
are
that
are
suggested
by
the
petition
and
by
the
by
the
members
of
the
public.
It
seems
like
a
slam
dunk,
but
if
you
look
at
it
from
the
perspective
of
what
do
you
need
in
an
active
transportation
network,
it's
more
problematic.
M
Despite
it
not
being
fully
accessible,
it
probably
doesn't
function
as
as
a
motorized
wheelchair
route,
though
so
that's
that's
what
you
lose
and
with,
but
with
the
so.
The
challenge,
as
the
councillor
suggests,
is
to
be
able
to
engineer
it
with
a
permeable
surface,
stone
desk,
I
suppose,
to
be
able
to
allow
a
maximum
of
of
accessibility,
but
not
as
great
the
accessibility
as
the
hard
surface.
It's
kind
of
trying
to
get
the
best
of
both
worlds.
M
I
think
it's
probably
doable
I
I
have
to
mention,
though,
that
it's
I
wonder
why
we
had
wide
the
petition
had
to
specifically
indicate
the
type
of
surface,
because
things
are
changing
all
the
time
with
active
transportation.
Someone
came
I
think
was
di
T
P
until
showed
us
ways
of
doing
parking,
lots
where
it
would
actually
be
permeable.
That
was
that
was
the
idea.
Wasn't
it
so
I'm
wondering
if
maybe
there
are
other
options
that
are
permeable
and
better
that
achieve
the
same
intent
of
the
petition
that
don't
specify
stone?
M
Sometimes,
when
you
rely
on
a
crowd,
crowdsourcing
an
idea,
you
get
the
old
ideas
and
you
don't
get
the
innovative
ideas
right.
You
get
what
people
are
used
to.
They
like
the
stone,
doesn't
seem
that
somewhere
else,
the
one
thing
I
know
is
we
had
this
discussion
when
it
was
council,
Hutchinson's
district
that
was
being
discussed
with
the
KMP
trail,
the
urban
section
of
the
KP
trail
that
goes
along
the
river
on.
In
that
case,
permeable
permeability
was
less
important
because
it's
right
beside
the
river.
So
if
it
runs
off
it
runs
into
the
river.
M
The
the
thing
that
that
also
I
think
actually
worked
out
is
for
the
turtle
nesting
habitat.
Obviously
they
can't
do
it
on
the
asphalt
surface,
so
they
don't
go
there
and
they
don't
get
run
over
by
bikes
and
everything
else
that
actually
I
saw
as
kind
of
a
plus.
And
then
there
is
the
accessibility
concern
which
kind
of
trumped
everything
so
I
already
sort
of
went
through
all
this
thinking
on
and
and
the
higher
the
volume
you
want
in
a
link,
the
more
important
it
is
to
be
durable.
M
So
what
we're
doing
here
with
this
is
we
it
will
be
more
more
naturalized
and
perhaps
more
desirable
for
walking
and
for
the
nature
experience,
but
it
will
comes
at
a
cost
of
higher
maintenance
and
more
more
degradation,
so
you'll
have
times
if
it's
not
maintained
properly,
it
will
be
in
worse
shape
than
it
would
have
been
if
it
was
hardscape.
So
there's
there's
trade-offs
here:
I'm
still
going
to
side
with
the
community
and
with
the
district
counselor,
but
I
just
want
to
say
that
there
are
it's,
not
a
slam
dunk.
Thank
you.
Q
Yes,
sir,
your
chair,
thank
you.
I
spent
a
lot
of
time.
Thinking
about
this
particular
example
of
civic
engagement
and
applaud
all
those
who've
voiced
their
perspectives
on
this.
But
from
what
I
understand
the
current
recommended
recommended
design
is
for
a
pathway
which
will
therefore
provide
year-round
access,
as
was
mentioned
to
users,
especially
those
with
mobility.
Devices,
allows
for
a
broadest
range
of
active
transportation
users,
including
walking,
cycling
rollerblades.
Q
Yes,
I
still
have
a
pair
skateboarding
road
bike,
street
bikes,
wheelchairs,
walking's
or
crane
canes,
all
those
sort
of
devices
and
by
being
paved,
it
also
offers
the
opportunity
for
the
gyro
maintenance.
Otherwise,
we'll
be
closed.
So,
in
speaking
with
staff,
I'd
learned
that
the
current
design
was
made
available
for
public
consultation,
2019
discussion
with
municipal
accessibility,
Advisory
Committee
Mac
on
the
project
team
signed
off
on
the
Asheville
pathway,
as
well
as
the
rest
stop
locations.
Q
I
wish
to
note
that
this
type
of
Asheville
pathway
is
also
typical
of
what
exists
in
the
urban
portions
of
the
city.
Off-Road
multi-use
pathways,
including
urban
sections
of
the
KMP
trail,
that
Levi
grant
multi-use
pathway
and
pathways
of
the
segment
directly
connects
between
princess
tree
and
port
mouth
supports
moe.
Q
The
continuity
of
this
type
of
active
today's
facility
is
a
significant
consideration
for
a
citywide
actor
transportation
routes
that
council
shroud
has
alluded
to
as
well
and
currently
in
existence
in
under
development,
and
so
supporting.
Such
a
motion,
in
my
opinion,
undermines
the
professionalism
of
our
staff
and
I'm.
Certain
at
councilor
Hill
will
agree
with
me
in
that
regard,
and,
frankly,
the
stone
des
pathway
would
not
provide
the
same
level
accessibility
for
all
users
and
to
address
councilor
Neal's
concerns
as
per
the
current
city
standards
and
would
not
be
cleared
during
winter
months.
Q
As
noted,
I
heard
arguments
about
turtles.
I
agree.
All
council
knows
that
I
love
turtles
and
trees
and
a
vast
staff
about
the
potential
impacts
of
installing
this
type
of
substrate
on
the
wetland
near
a
wetland
area
and
staff
at
the
city's
Environment
Department
have
indicated
that
the
stolen
does
pathway,
may
create
preferential
turtle,
nesting
habitat
and
create
conflict
between
the
protection
of
the
nesting
sites
and
which
means
that
pathway
may
need
to
be
closed
as
well
in
the
spring
through
early
fall.
Q
So,
finally,
we've
heard
arguments
about
the
potential
cost
savings
and
I
say
that
this
is
simply
speculative.
Surely
the
cost
the
standpoint
there
would
be
some
capital
savings
in
placing
stone
dust
rather
than
asphalt.
However,
this
would
likely
be
offset
by
the
increased
amount
of
ongoing
maintenance
required
along
the
pathway,
especially
if
there
are
is
there
desire
to
maintain
a
year-round
connection.
You'll
get
pitting
and
unrolled
where
it's.
Q
You
know
the
reason
we
are
working
in
our
rural
communities,
like
councillors,
tahaafe
and
getting
away
from
gravel
roads
is
because
of
the
natural
potholes
that
occur
so
from
the
standpoint
of
placing
stone
dust
now
and
and
completing
it
as
a
Nashville
pathway.
At
a
later
time,
I
heard
from
a
Miss
Kid
that
there's
a
cost
savings
in
completing
this
work
as
part
of
a
larger
utilities.
Kingston
project
is
on
their
way
and
I
would
suggest
that
we're
in
a
fiscal
perspective,
looking
to
save
money.
Q
So
my
perspective,
the
material
mobilization
costs
of
one
component
of
this,
however,
future
upgrade
fault
pathway,
would
require
additional
consultation,
design
ççra
approval
potential
new,
permitting
it
will
require
that
this
area
be
disrupted
for
a
second
time,
and
therefore
the
naturalist
aspect
will
be
disruptive
for
a
second
time
in
consideration
about
their
environmental
concerns.
So,
in
short,
I
cannot
support
the
motion
as
presented
despite
the
desires
of
the
representative
in
the
area.
Thank
you.
V
You
worship,
I,
think
councillor
Stroud
and
invert
councillor
Chappell
indicated
at
least
the
conflicting
needs
or
desires
that
come
about
from
this
I
did
deal
with
this
issue
in
my
district
on
the
Heritage
Trail
or
what
you
might
call
the
the
part
along
the
river.
That
is
sometimes
called
the
Heritage
Trail,
but
it's
also
called
the
KNP.
Trail
and
I
did
have
people
pursuing
this
stone
dust
alternatives.
V
V
It
seems
to
me
that,
in
this
case,
it's
not
usage
is
not
as
great
or
at
least
we
can't
demonstrate
that
it
would
be,
and
I
don't
understand
intuitively.
Why
would
we
think
it
would
be
so?
And
what
attracts
me
here
is
that
the
resolved
cost
says
until
such
time
as
user
data
on
this
pathway
exists.
That
would
justify
move
flaw
so
the
way
I'm.
Looking
at
this,
we
saw
the
pictures
up
here.
V
We're
gonna
widen
that
pathway,
which
is
just
like
a
rut
right
now
we're
gonna
level
it
we're
going
to
improve
it
markedly,
like
it'll,
be
transformed
and
so
I'm
going
to
support
the
stone
dust
option
because
I
think
in
this
instance
it's
it's
it'll,
be
fine
and
if
not
directional
counsel
says
come
back
and
tell
us
why
you
need
to
change
it.
So
that
would
be
fine
with
me.
Thanks.
T
Thank
you.
Your
worship,
maybe
I'm,
not
understanding
the
act
of
transportation
plan
right,
but
my
understanding
of
it
is
that
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
we're
trying
to
link
what
we
already
have.
There
are
roadways
with
safe
and
accessible
pathways
and
routes
for
kids
to
get
to
school,
for
people
to
be
to
get
out
and
recreative
for
cyclists
for
for
all
the
people
in
our
community
and
killing
people
with
disabilities
and
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
as
well
is
to
ensure
that
that
these
active
transportation
routes
are
available
throughout
the
year.
T
T
H
You
and
through
you
as
hoping
to
get
two
things
confirmed
or
denied
by
staff,
which
one
is
directly
related
to
councillor
Hills
comment:
will
the
stone
surface
be
available
available
to
be
used
throughout
the
year
say
like
at
Lemoine's
point?
They
have
stone
surfaces
that
are
cleared
during
the
winter
and
are
able
to
be
used
by
the
majority,
though
perhaps
not
all,
of
the
users
where's.
P
P
H
P
H
P
P
I
could
indulge.
There
is
a
really
important
point
that
I
think
I
need
to
make
with
regard
to
the
intent
of
this
trail
connection
and
as
part
of
the
broader
80
Network,
because
it
is
a
network
that
we're
trying
to
build
and
that's
what's
been
designed,
and
the
one
thing
that
we
haven't
spoken
of
is
is
how
this
will
benefit
our
transit
users.
So
on
either
end
of
this
trail.
P
You
could
take
this
pathway
from
one
of
the
other
and
save
a
transfer
at
the
kingston
center
or
a
longer
circuitous
route
on
transit
to
be
able
to
get
where
you're
going,
and
that's
a
really
important
component
of
why
it
was
identified
as
a
piece
of
the
network.
So
it's
that
something
council
should
be
aware
of.
S
Think,
thank
you.
So
I
support
this
motion.
I,
don't
support
paving
over
paradise
and
when
you
do
the
google
maps
of
this
trail,
it
is
paradise.
It's
you
know
it
I
can't
say
it's
like
an
urban
trail.
Really,
it's
you
know,
trees
and
and
bush
and
woods
on
either
side
for
a
large
section
of
this
trail.
S
I
think
the
fact
that
it
won't
be
plowed
over
wintertime
is
sort
of
a
red
herring
to
tell
you
the
truth,
because,
if
you're
working
during
the
day
and
you
get
off
work
at
4:30
at
night
over
like
the
past
two
months
and
for
another
two
months,
it's
gonna
be
pitch
black.
So
you
won't
be
able
to
use
this
trail
anyway
at
nighttime.
You
know
to
get
home,
and-
and
so,
if
this
plowed
or
not,
it
doesn't
matter
at
all.
So
it
looks
dangerous
right.
J
Couple
of
questions,
if
I
can
remember
them
it's
getting
late
to
staff
with
the
proposed
hard
surface
first
of
all,
I'm,
assuming
that
it
it
could
be
made
so
that
it
would
be
a
permeable
hard
surface
like
we
sometimes
do
in
parking
lots
where
there
is
an
opportunity
for
the
water
to
properly
drain.
Is
that
since
it
wouldn't
be
a
high-traffic
area?
Would
that
be
a
consideration.
P
You,
your
worship,
I,
don't
have
a
technical
answer.
We
haven't
actually
explored
because
everything
in
the
design
and
the
consultation
and
the
planning
that
we've
done
was
to
have
it
as
a
hard
surface.
I
won't
say
no
that
it's
not
possible.
It
may
well
be
possible.
I,
just
I.
Do
not
have
that
answer
and
we
haven't
explored
it
at
this
point
in
time.
J
P
P
It
will
definitely
be
inaccessible
for
certain
points
of
the
year.
If
it's
not
a
hard
surface,
the
the
intent
is
to
upgrade
this
recreational
trail
to
an
actual
pathway,
multi-use
pathway.
That
is
part
of
the
transportation
network.
So
that's
why
we've
designed
it
based
on
it
being
a
hard
surface,
I.
J
With
some
reluctance
we'll
be
voting
against
this
recommendation,
then,
because
I
think
we
talked
about
wanting
to
encourage
active
transportation
and
to
create
a
pathway
that
can
only
be
used
part
of
the
year.
I,
don't
think
is,
is
a
full
commitment
to
what
we've
always
talked
about,
which
is
active
transportation
and
more
accessible
pathways
year-round.
So
I
will
not
be
voting
for
this
recommendation.
A
W
Therefore,
I
feel
like
I
should
do
and
I
agree
with
it
councillor
Neill
a
lot
of
work
has
gone
into
planning
and
active
transportation
network
in
our
city,
and
this
is
one
portion
of
it
that
we're
talking
about
and
well
I
think
a
lot
all
the
points
there
are.
A
lot
of
the
points
about
the
the
stone
dust
are
very
valid.
I
I
think
we
have
to
look
at
the
larger
vision
that
we
are
committed
to
and
I
will
be
not
supporting.
This
motion.
A
You
just
have
a
couple
of
questions
just
to
clarify
the
implications
of
this
motion.
It's
the
first
thing
that
we
heard
from
staff
is
about
the
potential
implications
of
turtle
habitats
with
the
stone
desk
pathway,
so
I
just
want
to
I
want
to
clarify,
because
I
think
economy
was
made,
that
that
could
be
a
good
thing,
but
is
there
a
risk
that,
with
turtle
habitat
encroachment
that
sections
of
the
trail
could
be
closed
off.
A
So
so
I
think
my
big
concern
is
that
it
could
actually
be
inaccessible
more
than
just
in
the
winter.
If
that's
true,
a
second
question
relates
to
something
councilor.
Hutchison
said
he
was
talking
about
the
resolve
clause.
That
says:
well,
we
could
do
stone
dust
for
now
and
then
maybe
do
a
move
to
Asheville
in
the
future
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
staff
could
just
give
us
an
indication
of
the
cost
differential.
A
P
P
If
we
were
to
come
back
at
a
later
date
and
want
to
do
that,
I
don't
have
a
dollar
amount,
but
I
can
assure
you
it
would
be
more.
We
would
have
to
remobilize.
We
would
be
disrupting
the
area
again.
There
would
probably
be
more
consultation.
There
would
be
more
design
costs
additional
permit
issuing
so
I'm
sorry
I
can't
put
a
specific
number
on
it,
but
I
can
guarantee
you.
It
would
be
significantly
more
money
than
what
it
is
to
do
as
part
of
this
utilities.
Kingston
project,
okay,.
A
E
E
E
E
We
would
be
increasing
the
likelihood
of
active
transportation
use,
it
will
be
increasingly
abit
the
accessibility
and
it
happens
to
be
what
the
residents
in
the
area
want.
So
it
seems
like
we're
still
winning
and
we're
still
advancing
the
active
transportation
plan,
we're
still
increasing
the
ability
of
people
to
access
this
and
we're
following
the
democratic
principles.
If
we
do
this,
we
are
looking
for
more
information
about
who
uses
this.
Will
more
people
be
using
it?
Clearly,
it's
definitely
an
upgrade.
E
We've
got
plenty
of
evidence
that
people
still
use
this
even
in
the
wintertime
when
it's
not
paved
or
sorry
when
it's
not
plowed,
because
Lemoine
Point
is
still
popular
in
the
wintertime.
There's
no
reason
to
think
that
people
won't
use
this
just
because
it's
not
paved,
and
it
is
still
definitely
an
upgrade.
That
would
seem
to
me
that
we
should
go
with
this,
and
so,
instead
of
discouraging
718
residents
in
the
area,
I
think
you
should
support
this.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
V
This
is
being
a
problem
for
I
would
say
six
or
seven
years
talking
to
staff.
They
noticed
the
uptick
in
emails
from
two
hundred
two
thousand
sixteen,
it's
simply
the
problem
is
that
the
road
was
designed
too
wide
for
a
residential
area,
which
happened
at
a
certain
time
in
the
history
of
of
the
downtown,
and
now
we
think
differently.
Right
so
I
think
that
the
residents
you
know
you
will
notice
that
this
has
got
the
third
and
fourth
paragraph.
V
It's
almost
the
same
as
councillor
chappelle's
that
council
passed
by
a
majority
the
last
time
and
I
understand
the
arguments
of
staff
can
make
in
this
case
and
anyways
I
support
them,
but
I
think
you
know,
six
seven
years
is
too
long
and
and
I
I
would
want
people
to
to
support
this
because
speeding
and
is
a
problem,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
young
kids
in
this
stretch.
Okay-
and
this
will
help
now
discussion
with
his
kid
about
the
traffic
calling
policy.
It's
she
agrees
as
issues
and
I
said.
V
P
So
in
as
I've
expressed
before
and
in
my
discussion
with
councillor
hutchins
said
today,
we
acknowledge
that
the
current
traffic
policy
definitely
needs
to
be
reviewed
and
updated
and
that
we
need
to
have
more
options
and
and
more
expeditious
ways
to
deal
with
traffic
calming
requests.
So
traffic
calming
is
a
concern
in
the
community.
It's
a
concern
in
just
about
every
community.
You
can
look
at
this
particular
location
was
requested
a
for
review
in
2016.
P
There
is
a
two-way
stop
there
now
and
at
the
time
the
warrants
didn't
justify,
adding
and
always
stop.
We
have
not
looked
at
it
since
2016
I,
don't
believe,
and
so
I'm
not
sure
where
it
is
that
today,
I
will
say,
as
always,
that
stop
signs
are
not
an
effective
traffic
calming
measure.
That's
not
the
right
tool.
However.
I
recognize
that
that
there
is
frustration
and
demand.
Staff
is
planning
to
bring
a
report
to
the
committee
in
April
of
this
year
with
a
review
of
the
traffic
calming
policies
and
bring
some
options.
P
T
So
I'm
sure
councillor
Hutchison
knows
what
I'm
gonna
say
since
I
said
it
all
at
our
last
meeting.
But
you
know
it's
there's
a
couple
of
things.
First
of
all,
intuitively
when
I
was
going
around
campaigning
I,
you
know,
and
people
were
complaining
about
traffic
calming
obviously
stop
signs
are
the
answer
or
obviously
speed.
Bumps
are
the
answer,
or
you
know,
and
and
so
you
do
tend
to
kind
of
come
to
simplistic
solutions.
T
A
lot
of
citizens
I
think
you
know
that
I've
spoken
to
certainly
see
that
as
an
easy
solution
to
all
of
the
problems
so
I
the
other
day
decided
I
would
just
Park
at
an
intersection
of
Glen
castle
and
and
Henderson
and
I
want,
which
is
a
four-way
stop
and
I
watched
as
one
car
after
another
after
another
rolled
through
that
stop.
You
know
what
seems
to
be
to
make
complete
intuitive
sense.
T
When
you
ask
the
experts,
for
their
opinion,
will
tell
you
as
the
Commissioner
kid
just
did,
that
stop
signs
are
not
a
good
traffic
calming
measure
and
somehow
we
have
to
I
think
have
the
collective
courage
to
go
back
to
our
folks
and
say
I'm
sorry,
but
this
doesn't
work
because
otherwise,
every
time
one
of
our
residents
gathers
together,
I,
you
know
a
few
of
their
fellow
residents
and
brings
from
this.
Fourth
we're
going
to
be
debating
this
at
Council.
T
We
have
a
plan
and,
as
commissioner
Kidd
said,
there's
a
plan
coming
to
a
ITP
around
traffic
calming.
We
have
to
stick
to
the
plan,
you
know.
Otherwise
this
is
all
we're
gonna.
Do
the
mayor
said
last
month
that
this
should
come
to
Council
once
in
a
term?
Well
here
we
are
then,
the
very
next
meeting
debating
this
again.
This
is
not
the
right
way
to
go.
T
We
need
to
rely
on
the
expertise
of
the
staff
who
understand
these
issues
and
I
think
recognizes
the
the
level
of
concern
that's
being
expressed
to
each
individual
councilor,
but
in
the
meantime
we
got
to
stand
up
and
say
I'm
sorry,
but
you're
wrong.
This
is
not
the
way
to
do
it
and
just
because
you
think
it
is,
or
you
say
it
often
enough
doesn't
make
it
right.
So
I
will
not
be
supporting
this
motion.
S
Your
worship
I
support
this
motion.
I
believe
the
local
councillor
knows
the
district
best
I
also
spent
five
days.
You
know
traveling
around
over
Christmas
Brampton,
High
Park
area
in
Toronto,
the
King's
way
in
Toronto
and
Markham
and
there's
a
lot
of
streets
in
there
that
are
four-way
stops
that
you
know
don't
have
the
warrants
both
ways,
but
they
keep
the
neighborhood
slow.
If
they
really
work,
they
keep
you
really
slow
and
I.
S
Don't
want
to
tell
anybody
to
do
a
rolling
stop
through
a
stop
sign,
but
even
if
someone
does
a
rolling
stop
like
a
California
stop
through
a
stop
sign
that
still
makes
the
car
a
lot
slower
than
going
40
kilometers
per
hour
over
the
speed
humps
that
we
have,
and
it
also
keeps
the
aesthetic
value
of
the
neighborhoods
without
having
speed
humps
everywhere.
There
were
no
speed
humps
in
the
Kings
Way
in
downtown
Toronto,
no
speed
humps
in
Hyde
Park
in
downtown
Toronto
that
they
kept
the
neighborhood
slowed
and
to
me
that
was
really
effective.
S
I,
don't
know
how
those
four-way
stops
all
through
there
came
about
if
they
were
built
that
way
right
from
the
get-go
or
if
they
were
put
that
way
voted
at
City
Council
in
Toronto
the
same
way
we're
voting
tonight,
but
they
are
effective.
They
worked
and
cars
were
going
slow
through
those
neighborhoods
and
I
support.
This.
Thank
you.
A
And
gentlemen,
welcome
to
the
slippery
slope
we
have
arrived,
so
I
think
that,
first
of
all,
I'm,
not
in
any
way
suggesting
that
the
concerns
that
councillor
Hutchison
has
heard
about
are
not
valid.
They
certainly
are
we've
heard
from
staff
that
our
traffic
calming
policies
require
work.
They
need
to
be
revised,
they
need
to
be
updated.
So
we
have
two
choices
between
before
us
tonight.
A
I
was
very
clear
that
the
last
time
that
I
voted
for
this
it
was
an
exception.
I
do
not
believe
these
two
are
the
same
situation.
I
believe
that
the
situation
that
councilor
Chappelle
brought
to
us
was
unique.
It
was
in
a
community
under
development,
there
was
an
opening
up,
a
reward
of
a
road
that
was
creating
a
speed
zone
and
policy
couldn't
react
quickly
enough.
This
is
not
the
same
issue.
A
This
is
a
very
valid
concern,
but
let's
face
it,
I
bet
every
one
of
you
around
the
table
could
provide
two
or
three
very
valid
concerns
that
are
just
like
the
one
that's
before
us.
So
we
have
a
choice
personally.
I
think
that
the
best
thing
for
us
to
do
is
work
with
staff
and
come
up
with
a
policy
that
works,
and
then
it
can
be
applied
uniformly
and
fairly
and
effectively
across
the
community.
So
with
that
said,
I
appreciate
the
concern
that
counts
there.
A
M
You
worship,
I,
can
think
of
an
area
in
my
district
that
I
also
needs
traffic
calming
and
that
has
much
higher
traffic
levels
and
much
higher
danger
to
children,
in
fact
so
high
that,
because
of
the
public
demands,
I
specifically
requested
traffic
calming
on
from
staff
in
2018
and
did
not
get.
It
was
told
away
for
their
active
transportation
master
plan.
M
I
resisted
the
temptation
to
take
this
route,
despite
the
public
outcry
and
did
what
the
mayor
suggested,
waited
and
and
hoped
that
the
policy
would
catch
up
or
that
the
traffic
calming
would
one
day
come
or
that
the
bike
lane
would
be
extended
and
boards
would
be
installed,
which
would
act
also
as
traffic
calming
or
something
would
be
done.
I'm
still
patiently
waiting
at
some
point,
I
might
may
have
to
act,
but
the
way
I
see
this.
M
This
is
like
a
piece
of
pumpkin
pie
at
Christmas,
so
you've
got
12
family
members
and
there's
12
signs
or
see.
You've
got
15
family
members
and
there's
12
slices
of
pie.
Not
everybody
likes
pumpkin
pie,
but
the
people
to
get
the
pie
are
the
first
12
that
line
up
at
the
crowded
table,
especially
if
it's
a
potluck
you'll
see
this.
You
know
someone
will
bring
a
pie,
but
there's
not
enough
for
everybody.
So
it's
only
the
first
eight
people
they
get
pie
right.
That's
what's
happening
here.
So
councillor
Chappell
got
his
slice
of
pie.
M
Councillor
hutchins
are
gonna,
get
it
slice
of
pie,
a
couple,
others
we
get
the
slices
of
pie
and
then
we're
gonna
run
out
of
pie.
So
you
know
cuz.
We
can't
keep
doing
this.
Like
the
mayor
says
so.
We've
been
created
an
injustice
here
I.
Despite
that
think
a
couple
of
stop
signs
on
baguette,
Street
and
in
this
section
is
dangerous.
You
know,
what's
the
harm
make
the
rule
one
more
time,
but
we're
gonna
run
out
of
pie
and
it's
probably
not
gonna,
be
before
I
get
traffic
coming
on
a
much
more
dangerous
stretch.
M
H
You
mayor
Patterson,
through
you
pumpkin
over
Apple
at
the
Strada
household,
okay,
so
I'm
wondering
how
long
it
would
take
to
develop
some
of
the
policies
that
we're
talking
about
to
make
the
improvements
that
I
think
we
all
agree
need
to
be
made.
How
long
would
take
to
first
just
develop
them?
And
then,
after
that,
we
can
talk
a
bit
about
implementation
time.
P
P
H
So
we
start
the
process
in
April,
which
is
I,
think
very
quick
and
I'm
glad
to
hear
that,
but
what
I'm
wondering
at
and
what
I'm
ultimately
gonna
try
to
get
to
you,
in
my
mind,
is
if
we're
gonna
find
the
situation
again,
even
with
new
policy,
if
people
will
see
something
in
their
district.
Oh
I
want
flower
pond
planters
that
bump
at
the
street
to
slow
down
traffic,
which
is
much
quicker
than
stop
signs
or
whatever
the
the
new
approaches
may
be.
H
P
It
may
well,
it
may
well
result
in
that
I
mean.
Ultimately,
we
have
to
have
some
criteria
by
which
we
assess
otherwise,
there's
no
purpose,
so
I
council
will
have
to
consider
that
and
ultimately
I'm
hoping
if,
if
we
have
some
new
policy
and
it's
approved,
that
we
would
all
be
able
to
explain
the
rationale
if
something
doesn't
meet
those
those
warrants
and
why
we
might
not
be
able
to
to
move
forward
in
an
area
that
that
might
not
fit
the
new
policy
regime.
Fair.
H
Enough
and
my
final
question
is:
if
there
were
to
be
new
situations
like
this,
even
in
the
new
policy
world,
would
it
be
easier
on
staff
if
we
did
an
omnibus
motion
where
colleagues
around
the
Horseshoe
consult
and
each
pick
one
or
two
intersections
or
whatever
the
case
may
be
and
say,
despite
the
new
policy
that
we
agreed
to,
there
are
still
a
few
outstanding
issues
that
need
to
be
addressed
and
we
do
a
one-time.
Everyone
gets
what
they
want
as
opposed
to
debating
for
hours.
You
know
now,
every
other
week
about
individual
situations.
A
H
Right
well,
I'm
not
decided
yet
I'm
still
thinking,
but
I
do
think.
New
policy
is
great
and
I
applaud
the
speed
that
it
will
come
at
I'm
just
concerned
that
it
might
not
actually
resolve
the
situation
that
we're
in
so
I'm
thinking
about
the
Omnibus
as
well.
For
people
who
are
thinking
about
areas
in
their
district
like
I
am
maybe
we
can
talk
after
and
put
something
together
to
make
it
a
bit
more
efficient.
Thank
you.
Thank.
J
I
am
a
little
troubled
with
us
doing
in
an
ad
hoc
way:
traffic
engineering
by
the
seat
of
our
pants.
The
reality
is
that
I'm,
the
only
one
that
can
remember
this
far
back,
but
in
the
90s
we
had
a
commissioner
in
the
early
90s,
who
is
totally
opposed
to
four-way
stops
even
I
have
to
say
when
they
were
warranted
after
he
left.
J
We
are
creating
the
problem
environmentally
that
we're
trying
to
address,
because
four-way
stops
are
not
the
best
environmentally
way
to
deal
with
traffic
and
I
can't
even
remember
how
I
voted
last
last
council
I.
Think
I
probably
was
convinced
that
this
was
a
one-off,
but
it
won't
necessarily
be
a
one-off
if
all
of
us
come
forward.
J
If
the
expectation
of
our
constituents
is
such
that
we,
you
know,
we
get
a
twelve
names
on
a
piece
of
paper
and
suddenly
we're
the
traffic
engineers
recommending
that
Changez
I
I
think
going
through
the
process
of
flagging
things,
for
our
staff
for
consideration
makes
sense,
but
to
just
do
it
on
a
kind
of
slapdash
ad-hoc
way.
I
don't
think,
serves
the
community
well
and
it
doesn't
serve
the
environment.
Well,
so
I
reluctantly
will
not
be
supporting
this
motion.
Q
Q
Think
it's
courageous
for
all
of
us
to
bring
forward
issues
representing
our
constituents
and
although
I
was
not
in
favor
of
the
pathway
for
purposes
of
the
great
greater
good
of
the
the
network
of
active
transportation.
I
sincerely
appreciate
what
the
councillor
Hutchinson
has
brought
forward
and
and
that's
the
concerns
of
his
constituents,
and
maybe
there
needs
to
be
a
policy
that
we
each
get
a
political
stop
sign
a
year.
Q
Z
Proponent
of
that
there's
also
12
unique
districts
within
the
city.
So
in
my
own
personal
experience,
I
can
say
that
I've
had
a
lot
of
residents
of
my
district,
bring
forward
over,
let's
say
the
last
five
years
and
it
seems
to
be
a
theme
of
it's
the
same
street,
so
you
submit
those
streets,
they
go
for
a
review
and
it
comes
back
and
it's
like.
Oh
sorry,
those
are
the
streets.
They
didn't
make.
The
cut
well
to
be
quite
honest:
I
can't
compete
with,
let's
say,
downtown
Kingston
for
traffic
volume.
Z
So
when
it
comes
to
this
list
and
looking
at
it
citywide,
it's
some
of
the
outskirt
districts
are
never
gonna
make
the
cut
for
that
traffic.
Calming
you're,
just
never
gonna
you're
never
gonna
breach
that,
because
your
daily
count
was
maybe
thirty
five
cars
on
that
road
versus
a
daily
count
which
would
be
hit
in
ten
minutes,
downtown
Kingston.
So
having
been
around
the
table
now
for
four
or
five
years,
I
can
see
that
there's,
obviously
something
wrong
with
the
policy,
because
I
can
continually
submit
the
same
streets
and
I
get
the
same
answer.
Z
And
then
you
almost
feel
like
well
do
I
submit
that
one
again
cuz,
it's
the
big
issue,
but
I
already
know
it's
not
gonna
make
it
or
do
I
pick
something
else
which
so
it's
like
you've
got
issues
that
are
being
brought
forward
to
you
in
your
unique
district
which
you
live
in,
and
your
neighbors
and
friends
with
everybody
there
and
they're
constantly
bringing
them
to
you
and
you're,
not
really
giving
them
a
result
and
you're
not
even
really
giving
them
an
answer
as
to
why
you
can't
get
a
result.
So
I
understand
that
frustration.
Z
I
think
everybody
around
this
table
does
part
of
the
problem
there
is
that
what
do
you
do
when
the
policy
is
broken
or
the
policies
not
working?
Well,
then
you
end
up
with
this
situation
and
when
is
it
gonna
end?
Well,
it's
gonna
end
when
we
have
a
policy
that
recognizes
that
we
do
have
12
unique
areas
in
this
city
and
in
each
one
of
those
areas
there
are
gonna
be
residential
concerns
in
a
certain
area.
I
can
go
back
to
an
email.
I
got
the
other
day
where
it
was
basically
like
hey.
Z
You
know
what
we
moved
to
this
area,
it's
great,
but
all
around
this
other
area.
All
the
roads
are
40
kilometres
an
hour,
but
ours
isn't
and
it's
off
this
subdivision.
How
long
is
it
gonna
take
to
get
a
40
kilometer
an
hour
sign
there?
Well,
it's
now
been
going
on
almost
nine
months,
so
you
think
something
as
simple
as
putting
up
a
sign
that
says:
40
kilometers
an
hour
is
simple:
it's
not!
Apparently
it
takes
almost
a
year.
Z
So
when
you're
a
representative
of
that
district,
you
have
to
go
back
with
that
answer
and
say
it
takes
us
nine
months
to
a
year
to
put
up
a
sign
that
says
forty
kilometres
an
hour
because
of
the
policies
that
are
in
place.
You
feel
a
little
silly
because
you
really
don't
understand
why
it
would
take
that
long.
Z
So,
in
this
instance,
I
think
I
will
support
it
and
the
reason
is
is
because
we
know
the
policy's
broken
I've
tried,
as
councillor
Stroud
mentioned
now,
probably
for
four
years
to
address
some
issues
and
they're
still
ongoing,
and
so
I
did
a
little
bit
of
research
and
I
went
back
and
spoke
to
a
couple
former
councillors
and
looked
at
some
notes
and
realized
that,
and
it's
not
just
in
my
district,
but
in
some
districts.
These
issues
have
persisted
for
sometimes
ten
to
fifteen
years.
Z
So
how
can
you
have
an
issue
that
can
persist
for
so
long
that
the
public
recognizes
and
we
can't
solve
it
in
ten
or
fifteen
years,
that
just
kind
of
it
gets
frustrating
and
then
what
that
does?
Is
that
disengages,
the
public,
because
they're
like
well
I've
gone
to
now
two
or
three
different
people
just
to
address
this
one
safety
issue
in
this
area
that
the
entire
community
could
come
together
and
there's
probably
been
six
petitions
on
it
and
nothing
has
changed
in
that
time
period.
Z
That
to
me
tells
me
there's
a
big
issue
with
how
we're
actually
approaching
these
issues,
and
maybe
in
this
instance,
is
I.
Don't
think,
as
in
many
things
that
there's
a
one
size
fits
all
traffic
policy
that
you
can
apply
across
the
city
just
like
when
you
look
at
the
tree,
bylaw,
there's
the
urban
tree
bylaw
and
there's
the
rural
tree
bylaw.
Z
So
you
can't
go
here's
our
traffic
policy,
City
of
Kingston,
oh
and
we'll
treat
the
rural
area
and
the
semi
urban
area,
and
the
semi
rural
area
is
all
the
same
as
the
downtown
of
Kingston.
That
does
not
work
because
I
can
guarantee
you
right
now.
The
roads
that
we
have
issues
on
are
never
gonna
reach
the
barrier
that
it
takes
to
actually
get
the
traffic
calming,
and
then
that
brings
up
the
whole
other
debate
of
what
the
residents
actually
want
is
traffic.
Z
So
did
you
reduce
the
speed
on
that
main
stretch?
Certainly
you
did
by
I
think
the
note
said
three
kilometers
an
hour,
but
you
pushed
all
those
speeders
and
all
those
high-speed
vehicles
now
onto
little
side
streets.
So
you,
you
didn't
fix
the
problem.
You
moved
it
and
that's
an
issue
with
the
policy,
so
I
think
until
the
policy
is
corrected,
we're
gonna
see
more
of
these.
So
let's,
let's
expedite
the
correcting
of
that
policy.
Thank
you.
Z
E
Thank
you
so
just
a
few
points
that
seem
to
be
made
that
need
a
little
bit
of
clarification.
At
one
point
somebody
had
mentioned
that
rolling
stops,
don't
work,
I
beg
to
differ
if
the
experts
are
saying
that
they
don't
understand
physics,
because
if
you
get
hit
by
a
slower,
moving
car
relative
to
a
faster
moving
car,
you
have
a
better
chance
of
survival,
so
rolling
stops,
keep
as
councillor
osanic
said
a
neighborhood
slower,
and
this
is
what
we're
talking
about
here.
E
This
isn't
an
ad
hoc
way
of
solving
our
problems.
This
is
a
precise
way
of
solving
particular
problems
that
have
been
around
for
a
very
long
time
and
as
such,
that's
what's
needed
when
policy
doesn't
quite
work
and
when
it
doesn't
align
with
the
policy
with
the
values
of
the
people
who
actually
live
and
to
deal
with
this
in
that
area.
So
of
course,
I'm
gonna
be
supporting
this.
Thank
you.
V
You
worship
I'd
like
to
thank
well
everybody,
because
there's
valid
points
on
all
sides,
but
particularly
counts,
are
bummed
to
describe
the
frustrations
and
the
nature
of
the
problem
is
a
specific
take
on
it.
In
addition
to
his
general
understanding,
but
I've
been
doing
a
similar
thing
for
a
number
of
years.
I'm
not
doing
this
simply
to
please
people
that
comes
into
it.
V
Of
course,
I
don't
think
I'm
gonna
get
any
great
kudos
for
it,
but
because
you
know
142
people
selling
this
petition,
it
says
125,
but
I
was
trying
to
be
conservative
and
you
know
not
make
some
social
battlefield
to
that,
but
because
you
only
got
100
so
the,
but
but
because
it's
been
persistent
for
so
many
years
and
something
needs
to
be
done.
His
staff
have
said
they've
recognized
that
the
policy
has
not
mean
properly
responding.
V
So
this
was
and
I
committed
in
this
last
election
turn
and
to
saying
okay,
I'm
gonna
do
I'll
try
and
do
something
about
this.
Even
though
I
know
what
the
research
says.
I
know
what
the
policy
is.
You
know.
I've
talked
to
read
this
stuff
because
I
used
to
be
on
the
ITP
and,
however
I
think
there
are
benefits
to
just
stop
signs,
and
you
know
we're
looking
at
it.
V
But
what
I'm
asking
counsel
to
do
is
give
relief
now,
because
there's
no
guarantee
how
that
policy
is
gonna
when
it's
coming,
how
I
believe
they're
gonna
try
for
spurning
okay,
don't
get
me
wrong,
but
how
it's
going
to
count
right
and
whether
it'll
be
positive,
and
so
why
would
I
want
it
now?
Well,
because
a
bird
in
the
hand
is
better
than
one
two
three
or
a
dozen
in
the
bush,
not
doing
me
any
good
right,
so
you
know
one
other
technical
thing
is:
this
is
on
a
bus
route.
V
The
bus
has
to
go
up
to
a
little
short
thing
to
up
north
as
you
recognize
from
the
motion,
and
it
has
to
turn
so
actually
I'm
gonna
stop
sign.
There
I
think
will
help
the
bus
do
what
it
needs
to
do.
If
we're
gonna
talk
about
active
transportation
right
now,
there's
no
stopping
that
traffic
coming
down
baguette
street.
V
So-
and
you
know,
if
you
go
out
the
thing
that
really
got
people
going,
is
they
went
outside
to
find
like
a
half
a
dozen
blue
boxes,
just
blasted
off
the
boulevard,
because
somebody
went
up,
he
could
see
the
trial
tracks
up
over
the
curbs
and
onto
what
is
already
a
bulb
there.
This
it's
a
problem.
Okay
and.