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Kingston City Council Meeting from February 15, 2022. For details visit https://bit.ly/3JsoGew
A
B
B
We
do
have
a
number
of
delegations
tonight:
paul
brio
delegation,
one
delegation,
two
scott
snow
delegation,
three
podiana
colometro
delegation,
four
alexander
lagnini
delegation,
five
jeannette
korzanowski
delegation,
six,
carla
cordova
delegation,
seven,
robin
disney
co
delegation;
eight
lindsey,
foster
delegation,
nine
joyce,
hostin
delegation,
ten,
linda
muscle,
delegation,
eleven
hazel
taylor,
quick
delegation,
twelve
roger
healy
and
bruce
bersie
delegation,
13,
bruce
mercy
delegation,
14
laurel,
foster,
johnson
and
delegation;
15
alex
jansen,
crystal
leclair,
megan,
nott
and
jeff
wajic.
We
also
have
a
briefing
from
megan
naught
crystal
lacaire
leclair,
pat
kelly
and
john
john.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
we
were
meeting
in
committee
of
the
whole
closed
meeting
before
this.
We
discussed
three
items
with
respect
to
employment
lands
and
also
some
legal
advice
with
respect
to
promotion
on
the
school,
pedestrian
safety
working
group
motion
and
then
also
an
occupational
health
and
safety
act
matter.
So
I
will
ask
for
a
motion
from
council
to
rise
without
reporting.
A
All
those
in
favor,
oh
and
we
already
approved
the
the
ads
tonight.
One
thing
that
I
will
just
mention
is
that
we
we
do
have
a
very
full
agenda,
number
of
of
delegations
and
business
items,
and
so
my
intention
at
this
point,
unless
we
are
within
within
this
within
a
close
distance
of
the
end
of
our
agenda
by
30
tonight,
my
intention
is
to
to
recess
somewhere
between
entertainment
and
then
reconvene
at
6
pm
tomorrow,
okay,
so
at
this
point
I
will
I'm
sorry
point
of
order
answering.
D
I
ryan
bowm
of
the
council
of
the
corporation,
the
city
of
kingston,
declared
my
pecuniary
interest
in
the
matter
of
clause
4
report
26
as
a
new
property
owner
of
a
rental
property.
It
may
be
perceived
that
I
have
a
conflict
and
so
far
as
this
may
relate
to
this
report
and
my
final
one,
I
ryan
moment
of
the
council
of
the
corporation,
the
city
of
kingston,
declared
my
community
interest
in
the
matter
of
clause.
D
E
Thank
you,
mayor
patterson.
I
robert
kiley
of
the
council
of
the
corporation
of
the
city
of
kingston,
declare
my
potential
for
cuny
aaron
cooney
area
interest
in
the
matter
of
clause
2
report
25
on
ltas
technologies,
contract
update,
as
I
have
an
immediate
family
member
who
runs
an
str,
and
I
robert
keiler,
the
council
of
the
corporation
of
the
city
of
kingston,
declare
my
potential
pecuniary
interest
in
the
matter
of
clause.
F
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
mayor
and
I've,
also
submitted
this
to
the
clerk's
department.
I
bridget
doherty
of
the
corporation
of
kingston
declare
a
conflict
of
interest
on
report
number
26
received
from
the
chief
administration
administrative
officer,
recommend
clause,
4
and
associated
bylaws
proposed
amendments
to
nuisance
by
law,
as
I
own
rental
properties
in
kingston.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
if
there
are
no
other
declarations
very
interesting,
then
we
will
move
on.
We
have
no
presentations
this
evening,
but
we
do
have
a
number
of
delegations.
Of
course,
once
we
get
to
pass
the
first
three
delegations,
I
will
pause
and
we
will
do
formal
motions
of
council
to
add
additional
delegations.
A
So
at
this
point
I
will
invite
our
first
delegation,
paul
brio,
will
appear
before
council
to
speak
to
new
motion,
one
with
respect
to
the
school,
pedestrian
safety
working
and
just
a
note
to
all
of
our
delegations
this
evening
that
you
have
up
to
five
minutes
to
present
to
council
and
then
I
will
open
up
the
floor
to
questions
from
members
of
council.
So
with
that,
mr
rio,
welcome
and.
G
G
Second,
I
would
like
to
thank
all
of
the
schools,
parent
councils
and
members
of
the
city
of
kingston,
who
have
reached
out
in
support
of
our
school
and
the
riviera
family.
I
would
like
to
extend
my
gratitude
to
lancaster
public
school
for
their
support
and
efforts
to
change
the
way
that
lancaster
drive
operates
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
G
G
G
G
We
offer
the
strong
belief
that
now
is
a
time
for
bold
action
which
will
secure
the
safety
of
our
vulnerable
children.
While
the
motion
before
you
needs
to
be
passed,
we
would
ask
that
you
consider
adding
a
crossing
guard
at
the
corner
of
dunham
street
lancaster
drive
as
well
as
part
of
the
effort
to
decrease
vehicle
traffic.
We
must
re-establish
trust
within
the
parent
community
so
that
those
who
can
walk
will
walk
crossing
guards
at
both
locations
will
go
a
long
way
in
this
regard.
G
Our
parent
council
is
aware
that
there
must
be
a
multifaceted
approach
to
this
problem,
which
includes
a
commitment
from
all
interested
parties.
Parents
included.
However,
the
city
has
the
power
to
make
impactful
and
immediate
change.
We
require
action
which
alleviates
traffic
congestion
and
also
limits
potential
vehicle,
pedestrian
interaction.
G
These
must
be
priorities
for
the
working
group
created
by
this
motion
as
parents,
we
insist
on
being
part
of
the
process
moving
forward
and
that
all
parties
be
open
to
solutions
above
and
beyond
what
is
being
brought
forth
with
tonight's
motion.
We
are
confident
that,
by
working
together
in
a
meeting
by
working
together,
a
meaningful
solution
can
be
found
as
quickly
as
possible.
G
G
H
G
Thank
you
for
your
question.
I
understand
and
I've
I've
read
some
of
the
the
otc
school
crossing
guard
guide
and
I
understand
that
the
intersection
that
is
there
between
lancaster
and
dunham
doesn't
fit
neatly
within
those
parameters.
However,
I
would
note
that
in
the
introduction
to
that
guide,
it
also
expresses
that
field.
Experience
and
knowledge
of
application
are
essential
and
may
assist
in
recommendation
in
overriding
the
guide.
G
The
guide
is
one
of
best
practices,
but
in
proper
circumstances
can
be
overridden
and
I
believe
those
circumstances
exist
here,
we're
requesting
and
or
where
we
are
going
to
be
requesting
and
possibly
at
some
point,
maybe
requiring
less
vehicle
traffic
on
lancaster
drive
those
vehicles.
Ultimately,
wind
up
on
limestone
drive
or
dunham
and
similar
to
lancaster
public
school.
Half
of
our
pedestrian
traffic
goes
east
and
half
of
our
pedestrian
traffic
goes
west.
The
crossing
guard
at
limestone.
G
They
go
east
but,
as
I
said,
the
rest
of
the
traffic
is
is
heading
west
and
having
a
crossing
guard
to
assist
at
dom
dunham
will
will
carry
out
the
exact
same
benefits
that
it
will
for
limestone
again,
as
I
said
before,
as
well.
Crossing
guards
at
both
of
those
locations
will
give
parents
a
renewed
sense
of
safety
and
letting
their
children
walk
to
school
as
opposed
to
driving
them.
G
Even
if
it's
only
a
couple
of
blocks
and
it's
something
that
we
want
to
try
and
eliminate
some
of
that
vehicle
traffic
is
that
we
reinstill
that
confidence
for
parents
to
be
able
to
let
their
kids
walk
to
school,
and
I
believe
that
a
crossing
guard
at
dunham
will
instill
confidence
in
those
parents
that
are
living
to
the
west
of
the
school.
With
that
confidence
as
well
also
again,
because
we're
pushing
traffic
to
those
side
streets,
they
are
extra
congested
as
well.
H
Thank
you
for
that
answer,
and
my
second
question
is:
if
you're
aware
of
the
kingston
coalition
of
active
transportation,
they're
called
kcat
and
right
now,
they're
running
a
pilot
project
at
winston
churchill,
which
is
a
a
road
closure
during
the
pickup
and
drop
off
hours.
So
I
just
wondered
if
you
were
aware
of
that
pilot
project
and
if
you
think
that
might
be,
you
know
a
good
candidate
for
lancaster
drive
to
participate
in
that
as
well.
G
Thank
you
for
that
question.
I
think
that
lancaster
drive
would
be
an
excellent
candidate
for
a
project
exactly
the
same
as
as
winston
churchill
as
is
going
on
there.
I
am
familiar
with
that
and
I
think
that
not
only
are
we
a
good
candidate,
but
we
have
the
benefit
that
there's
actually
three
schools
that
will
benefit
in
the
immediate
area:
there's
not
lancaster
public
school
mother,
teresa
catholic
school
and
holy
cross
high
school,
which
is
right
across
the
road.
G
So
I
think
it
would
be
an
excellent
opportunity
for
this
sort
of
a
program
to
take
place
again,
not
that
they
all
use
that
street,
but
that's
three
schools
with
nearly
2
000
kids,
potentially
crossing
being
able
to
cross
that
road
on
on
any
given
day.
So
again,
I
think
that's
it's
an
excellent
idea.
I
have
spoken
to
to
mr
healey
who's
going
to
be
presenting
tonight
as
well
as
a
delegation.
G
So
I'm
well
aware
of
some
of
the
hurdles
that
he's
gone
through
to
get
that
pilot
project
up
and
underway,
but
I
think,
with
the
experience
that
he's
had
and
from
what
I
understand,
it's
been
a
mostly
positive
experience.
The
community
has
really
embraced
it
and
I
believe
that
our
community
would
also
embrace
it.
I
fully
believe
that
the
parents
that
we
have
in
our
community
would
would
more
than
welcome
the
opportunity
to
participate
in
that
and
would
readily
volunteer
for
any
of
the
positions
necessary
to
make
that
happen
as
well.
A
E
Thank
you,
mayor,
patterson
and
through
you
thank
you
for
your
delegation.
Perhaps
you've
actually
just
started
to
answer
the
question
that
I
was
going
to
ask.
So
if
it's
redundant,
forgive
me,
you
had
a
great
line
where
you
said
that,
in
your
context
with
the
school
council
to
have
people
who
can't
walk,
be
able
to
walk-
and
I
was
wondering
if
there's
anything
in
addition
to
what's
under
discussion
tonight,
I
counsel
that
you've
heard
from
parents
that
would
encourage
them
to
do
just
that.
G
I
think
that,
in
addition,
there's
also
been
a
pilot
program
encouraging
parents
to
use
the
walking
paths
and
so
on
they're
near
mother
teresa.
I
think
there
needs
to
be
much
more
education
in
in
that
regard
as
well,
and
that's
something
that
that
has
come
up
as
well.
I
think
there
needs
to
be
some
education
towards
parents
at
being
able
to
use
alternate
areas
to
be
able
to
drop
children
off
and
and
pick
them
up,
so
that
there
isn't
the
same
sort
of
congestion
all
at
once.
G
A
I
Good
evening,
mr
mayor
council
and
mother
teresa
community,
I'm
scott
snow,
the
co-chair
of
lancaster
drive
public
school
parent
council
first
off.
We
would
like
to
acknowledge
the
tragic
events
of
two
weeks
ago
and
send
our
thoughts
and
prayers
to
the
rivera
family
staff
and
students
of
mother
teresa
lancaster
public
school
not
only
shares
a
physical
border
with
mother
teresa.
We
share
much
more.
I
Prior
to
the
tragic
event
student
safety
around
the
arrival
and
dismissal
were
of
significant
concern
to
parents.
We,
as
parents
of
lancaster
drive
public
school,
are
requesting
a
seat
on
the
school
pedestrian
safety
working
group
in
order
with
all
key
stakeholders
of
the
community.
This
tragic
event
has
created
a
call
to
action
and
needs
to
be
started
now
and
not
in
months
time
as
parents
and
most
frequent
users
of
the
space.
Our
input
is
critical
to
any
changes
and
suggestions
made
and
children's
safety
issues
with
regards
to
their
school
zones.
I
Secondly,
regarding
new
signage
on
the
north
side
of
lancaster
drive,
the
current
signage
are
approximately
12
by
20
inches
and
some
are
directed
to
the
south.
These
signs
are
often
unseen
by
drivers
because
they
are
too
small
and
there's
a
lot
of
things
happening
at
a
busy
time.
We
feel
that
if
larger
road
work
signs
were
posted
at
three
to
four
locations
facing
east-west,
the
significance
of
these
signs
would
likely
cause
more
people
to
adhere
to
the
signs.
It
is
crucial
that
the
north
side
of
lancaster
is
a
no
stop.
No
park
no
u-turn
zone.
I
We
are
requesting
a
crossing
guard
at
these
locations
for
one
hour
in
the
morning,
from
8
15
to
9,
15
and
prior
to
school
dismissal,
2
45
to
3
45
these
times
will
cover
both
schools,
dismissal
and
arrival
with
an
estimated
650
children
between
lancaster
and
mother
teresa
that
do
not
use
buses.
This
will
give
parents
peace
of
mind
that
their
supervision
at
key
and
busy
potentially
dangerous
areas.
This
will
lead
to
less
vehicular
traffic
and
less
congestion
on
side.
Roads
calls
and
it's
only
a
matter
of
time.
Our
hope
is
with
the
children.
I
I
We
know
this
is
a
community
call
to
action
and,
in
addition
to
the
above
mentioned
items,
we
are
committed
to
increasing
the
amount
of
safety
awareness
provided
to
our
parents
and
assistance
to
our
communities
through
many
channels,
such
as
emails,
social
media
announcements
and
parent
counsel.
No
one
certainly
wants
this
fatal
tragedy
to
happen.
Many
parents
said
to
each
other
quietly
one
day,
something's
going
to
happen,
and
unfortunately
it
has.
I
I
Mr
may
have
spoken
to
numerous
members
of
council
on
the
motion,
and
we've
heard
a
comment
that
passing
this
motion
may
set
a
standard
that
all
schools
would
want
a
crossing
guard
or
better
signage.
Well,
mr
mayor
kingston
may
have
the
nicest
waterfronts
universities
and
parks,
but
we
need
to
protect
our
community's
greatest
assets,
our
children.
This
is
not
a
fiscal
decision,
it's
a
moral
obligation,
as
parents
and
counsel,
as
many
of
you
have
children
and
or
grandchildren.
I
H
I
Thank
you
for
your
question.
A
big
concern
for
a
lot
of
our
parents
is
we're
a
walking
school.
Currently
we
have
380
students,
62
eligible
for
the
bus
and
only
47
regular
use
it.
So
it
leaves
us
330
students.
Many
of
the
parents
say
that
the
sidewalk
and
snow
clearing
is
an
issue
along
with
the
crossing
guard
for
the
lancaster
limestone
and
the
dunham
lancaster.
I
H
Thank
you.
My
second
question
is,
I
know
that
you
and
I
we
were
talking
about
crossing
guards
and
because
to
get
a
crossing
guard
like
it's
just
one
hour
in
the
morning,
then
one
hour
in
the
afternoon
oftentimes
it's
hard
to
find
someone
who
would
only
be
available
for
you
know
like
the
one
hour
morning,
because
that
and
one
hour
afternoon,
because
it
kind
of
takes
up
your
day.
I
Yeah,
I'm
under
the
understanding
that
the
city
has
a
hard
time
filling
crossing
guard
positions
just
for
the
simple
fact:
they
think
that
it
splits
up
people's
day
if
you
could
be
a
parent
or
a
grandparent.
So
we
would
like
to
see
if
the
motion
passes
to
be
able
to
split
the
position.
I
guess
for
lack
of
better
terms
that
you
could
have
a
morning
shift
and
an
afternoon
ship
so
that
it
would
be
more
attractive
to
more
people.
H
A
J
J
J
J
As
you
are
the
experts
in
this
area,
you
can
appreciate
it
when
I
say
that
time
for
incremental
change
has
long
passed.
That
doesn't
mean
that
we
cannot
build
from
the
good
work
that
has
been
done
already
through
this
group
and
others.
Just
last
night,
I
was
reading
the
five-year
active
transfer
transportation
implementation
plan.
J
Having
said
that,
I
think
band-aid
solutions
will
no
longer
be
well
received,
as
mother
teresa
said
so
well,
I
alone
cannot
change
the
world,
but
I
can
cast
the
stone
across
the
waters
to
create
many
ripples,
and
I
would
like
you
to
leave
I'd
like
to
leave
you
with
those
three
questions
tonight.
What
are
those
ripples
that
you're
creating
with
your
decisions
today?
H
J
Our
community
is
our
best
asset
and
at
our
last
meeting
this
week
to
to
prep
for
today.
Actually
we
were
all
gathering
input
and
feedback,
and
let
me
tell
you
counselor
it's
a
long
list
in
terms
of
what
we
would
like
to
see
happen
and,
like
I
said,
I'm
not
I'm
not
being
naive
in
terms
of
the
implications
and
and
including
those
that
are
financial
and
what
needs
to
happen
across
our
community.
J
A
Okay,
at
this
point.
Before
we
continue
further,
we
will
I'm
going
to
look
at
the
council
promotions
to
include
additional
delegations,
so
so
number
number
four
on
my
list
moved
by
councillor
neil
seconded
by
council
mclaren
that
the
clauses
of
our
procedure
by
lobby
wave
to
allow
alexander
lignini
to
appear
before
council
to
speak
clause.
4
report
number
26
from
the
cio
with
respect
to
the
proposed
amendments
to
the
nuisance
party
bylaw,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
carried
next
number.
K
A
All
those
in
favor
proposed
and
that's
carried
number
seven
moved
by
counselor
sonic
seconded
by
councillor
phil,
that
the
clauses
of
our
procedural
bylaw
be
waived
to
allow
robin
desert
nico
here
before
council
to
speak
to
new
motion
number
one.
All
those
in
favor
proposed
and
that's
great
number.
Eight
moved
by
counselor
neal
seconded
by
council
mclaren
that
the
causes
of
our
procedural
biology
wave
to
allow
lindsay
foster
to
appear
before
council
to
speak
to
the
proposed
amendments
to
the
nuisance
party.
Bylaw.
L
A
Carried
delegation
number
nine
has
been
removed,
number
10
moved
by
counselor
neil
and
I'm
councilor
hutchison
is
not
here.
So
I
am
going
to
look
to
see
if
there's
someone
that's
willing
to
second
cited
by
councillor
mclaren,
that
the
causes
of
our
procedural
biology
waived
to
allow
joyce
hoyston
to
appear
before
council
is
through
information
report
number
three
with
respect
to
intensification
redevelopment
and
climate
change,
all
those
in
favor
posed
and
that
security
number
11
move
by
counselor.
A
All
those
in
favor
proposed
and
that's
carried
number
14
moved
by
councillor
sanix
seconded
by
cancer
hill.
That
causes
of
our
procedural
biology
wave
to
allow
roger
healy,
king
and
and
bruce
percy
from
the
kingston
coalition
for
active
transportation
to
appear
before
council
to
speak
to
new
motion
number
one.
A
All
those
in
favor
proposed
and
that's
her
and
then
number
15,
moved
by
council
o'neil
seconded
by
council
mclaren
again
that
our
clauses
of
our
procedural
biology
wave
to
allow
bruce
bersie
from
the
portsmouth
district
community
association
to
appear
before
council
to
speak
to
information
report
number
three.
All
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
very.
C
B
A
M
M
I'd
like
to
start
off
by
acknowledging
the
problem
that
you
guys
are
trying
to
address
here
with
this.
With
this
bylaw
amendment,
the
large
parties
in
the
student
district
have
been
very
stubborn
and
they've
gone
on
year
after
year.
I
completely
understand
the
concerns,
but
I'd
like
to
ask
if
anyone
here
can
imagine
a
group
that
has
more
of
an
incentive
to
eliminate
these
large
parties
than
than
landlords
we
live
here
too.
M
M
M
Evictions
are
particularly
not
a
good
deterrent
for
student
tenants
because
normally
they're
in
they're
in
residence
first
year,
so
they're
only
in
their
house
for
maybe
a
year
or
two
years
maximum
three
years.
So
if
I'm
a
fourth
year
student,
you
know
I'm
graduating
a
few
months.
Am
I
really
going
to
be
deterred
by
the
threat
of
an
eviction
that
will
probably
stretch
out
over
a
year?
M
It's
it's
just
not
an
effective
deterrent.
So
let's
talk
about
some
of
the
things
that
landlords
can
do.
You
can
check
references.
You
can
include
rules
about
tenant
behavior
in
your
lease.
You
can
educate
tenants
on
their
responsibilities,
communicate
to
them
when
warnings
are
issued.
You
can
monitor
your
properties.
M
These
are
all
things
that
a
landlord
should
be
doing
anyway,
selfishly
just
to
protect
their
investment.
There
are
also
reasonable
things
that
the
city
can
expect
landlords
to
do
to
to
prevent
parties,
but
they're
they're
not
going
to
eliminate
parties,
the
they're,
they're
they're,
just
something
we
can
do
to
to
try
and
prevent
parties.
M
M
M
So
I
think
council
is
well
informed
on
on
the
residential
tenancy
act.
So
the
question
to
end
is:
why
is
this
type
of
policy?
Even
being
proposed
to
punish
a
group
that
has
no
authority
over
the
actions
proposed,
so
I
think
it's
clear
that
citizens
in
the
city
everyone's
annoyed
and
angry
over
these
continuing
parties
and
when
you're
angry.
Sometimes
it
can
feel
good
to
strike
out
at
another
group
that
that
can
be
seen
as
responsible.
A
N
Thank
you,
worship.
Thank
you,
mr
agnini,
for
your
presentation,
do
you
are
you?
Do
you
think
that
I
mean
obviously
you're
you're
a
landowner
or
a
landlord
that
lives
here
in
the
city
and
and
is
knows
you
know
that
knows
firsthand
what
goes
on?
What
about
landlords
that
are
outside
the
city?
Do
you
think
that
they
educate
their
students
on
things
like
the
the
noise
by
law
and
the
and
and
that
sort
of
thing
or
or
do
they
just
rent
out
these
houses.
M
M
I
think
smart
landlords
do
because,
like
I
say
it's
your
it's
your
investment,
it's
your
property!
You
have
every
incentive
to
try
to
make
sure
that
students
are
complying
with
you
know
even
property
standards
bylaws
taking
out
the
trash.
You
know
you
don't
want
rats
building
up
in
your
property,
because
students
aren't
taking
out
the
trash.
You
don't
want
large
parties
that
are
trashing
your
house.
M
I
think
it's
smart
to
do
so,
but
that
would
be
for
local
landlords
or
out
of
town
landlords.
I
wouldn't
say:
there's
a
big
difference
between
the
two
of
them
in
in
terms
of
education.
I
think
I
think
both
both
groups
could
could
educate
more
and
I
think
that
would
be
a
reasonable
expectation
of
the
city
to
have
on
landlords
is
to
educate
their
tenants.
A
O
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
good
evening,
mr
mayor
and
members
of
council,
as
was
just
mentioned,
my
name
is
jeanette.
Two
of
my
three
children
attend
mother
teresa
school
and
I'm
also
a
member
of
the
school's
school
council.
So
the
role
of
school
council
is,
I'm
sure,
you're,
aware
and
similar
to
city
councils
to
represent
all
members
of
its
community.
So
in
our
case
our
members
of
our
schools
community-
and
this
includes
representing
the
voices
of
the
children
at
the
school,
so
I
thought
I
would
ask
my
almost
nine-year-old
son.
O
If
he
could
speak
to
city
council
about
the
motion.
What
would
he
say
to
them?
And
here
is
his
response?
He
said
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it
is
really
really
busy
around
the
school.
There
are
lots
of
cars
having
a
crossing
guard
or
even
more
than
one
would
be
helpful.
You
might
think
it's
okay
to
cross
and
then
a
car
comes
out
of
nowhere.
O
Sochi
shouldn't
have
had
to
die
for
us
to
be
thinking
about
these
changes.
Now.
Why
couldn't
we
have
done
these
things
before
we
need
to
make
the
changes
immediately.
So
this
doesn't
happen
again
and
that's
the
end
of
his
response
and
what
I'd
like
to
stress
for
my
son's
message
from
my
son's
message
is
the
word
immediately.
O
Anyone
who
has
passed
by
the
school
at
either
drop-off
or
pick-up
times
over
the
past
several
years
and
as
paul
mentioned
it
has
been
years,
can
tell
you
that
there
is
a
traffic
problem.
There
have
been
solutions
proposed
and
attempted,
but
the
problem
still
persists,
and
I
know
that
part
of
the
motion
includes
the
development
of
the
working
group,
and
I
appreciate
that
the
decisions
that
are
made
by
the
working
group
have
to
be
evidence-based
so
that
we
get
this
right
and
we
get
it
right
on
the
first
try.
O
O
H
Saying
thank
your
worship
and,
through
you
thanks
very
much
for
your
delegation,
I'm
miz
korzanowski
for
for
the
crossing
guard,
so
this
motion
will
be
giving
a
crossing
guard
at
limestone
drive
in
lancaster
drive
for
the
other
crossing
guard.
I
think
you're,
referring
that.
We
also
need
a
second
crossing
guard
and
I
just
wondered
like
what
location
are
you
referring
to
like?
Do,
you
think
would
be
them?
Have
the
most
impact.
O
Truthfully-
and
this
is
anecdotally
just
from
observing
after
school-
it
seems
like
many
students
cross
directly
across
from
the
school
and
that's
where
the
accident
was
closer
towards
dunham.
There
are
stop
signs
at
limestone
and
at
denham,
but
there
isn't
a
concern
with
many
people
that
are
crossing
in
between
there.
So
I
would
hope
that
that
could
be
what
the
working
group
could
identify.
O
Where
would
be
the
most
effective
position
or
their
spot
to
place
the
individual,
where
we
would
have
the
most
impact
in
helping
children
cross
and
as
claudiana
mentioned
in
our
last
meeting,
several
members
of
school
council
and
parents
had
different
ideas
but
yeah.
I
I
don't
know
which
one
would
be
the
best,
but
I
think
I
think
they're
are
several
areas
for
people
across.
A
P
P
She
was
the
kindest
and
most
loving
girl
that
came
to
me
and
hugged
me
every
day
after
school.
Every
time
you
would
meet
with
her,
she
would
make
a
smile
smile.
She
would
make
my
daughter
happy
now
her
smile
is
gone.
All
that
has
been
left
to
us
is
a
hole
in
our
hearts
with
grief
and
sorrow.
I'm
sorry.
P
P
P
H
P
So
I
have
to
still
take
my
children
to
school
and
I
I'm
not
gonna.
Let
them
walk
now
with
such
being
gone
less.
I
I
can't
so
if,
if
the
city
really
helps
us
put
somebody
to
to
help
our
children,
do
it
cross
safely,
I
I'll
be
happy
I'll,
be
happy
probably
to
to
have
my
children,
I
will
be
feel
safe.
My
children
could
go
to
school
again
on
their
own.
A
A
Q
As
a
member
of
the
school
council,
my
three
children
attend
mother
teresa,
I'm
a
graduate
of
mother
teresa,
I'm
a
graduate
of
holy
cross
and
I've
worked
at
holy
cross
for
the
past
18
years,
and
I
really
want
to
highlight
the
need
for
a
crossing
guard,
as
many
have
mentioned
this
evening
and
as
the
motion
addresses.
But
I
also
want
to
add
that
many
in
the
school
community
feel
that
this
crossing
guard
should
not
necessarily
be
placed
at
the
limestone
lancaster
intersection
or
at
the
dunham
and
lancaster
intersections.
Q
Q
Students
about,
and
parents
have
been,
there's
been
communication,
but
many
are
still
crossing
lancaster
drive
and
part
of
our
fear
is
that,
as
the
the
memory
of
the
accident
fades,
many
families
will
begin
crossing
the
roadway
again
directly
in
front
of
those
two
schools,
as
you
can
see
from
this,
this
image,
the
distance
from
mother
teresa
to
land
or
to
limestone,
which
is
on
the
right
side
and
on
my
screen.
My
face
is
blocking
it,
but
it's
that
distance
is
only
approximately
300
meters,
which
might
not
seem
like
a
significant
distance.
Q
The
many
people
in
the
school
community
or
that
cross
that
roadway
also
park
in
the
it's
just
above
the
upper
left
corner
of
that
track.
So
the
northwest
corner
of
holy
cross
is
is
where
they
wind
up
parking,
and
so
students
walk
to
those
vehicles
as
well.
Many
across
lancaster
drive
live
in
the
catherine
crescent
y
street
communities,
which
are
just
north
of
holy
cross
and
again
you
access
their
roadways.
Q
That's
at
barrage
and
taylor
kit
boulevard,
which
has
traffic
lights
as
well
on
telekid
boulevard,
where
in
the
80s
there's
another
student
that
was
struck
and
unfortunately
passed
away.
There
was
a
crossing
guard
that
was
placed
there
and
there's
there's
traffic
lights
about
300
meters.
Away
from
that
intersection
as
well,
and
I
recognize
that
there
are
bylaws
around
the
distance.
Q
They're,
the
sidewalk
that
you
can
kind
of
see
just
where
it
says
the
kids
place
on
the
sidewalk
north
of
lancaster
drive.
It
ends
at
that
home
to
the
left
of
the
the
track
and
that's
where
the
sidewalk
previously
had
ended
and
turned
toward
as
if
there
was
a
crossing
towards
the
k
on
the
kids
place
and
that
you
can
see
that.
I
want
to
show
this
image
because
you
can
see
that
that
corner
is
is
the
problem
corner.
Q
The
other
areas
are
a
little
bit
straighter,
but
that
corner
is
difficult
to
see
around
as
individuals
park
on
the
roadway
and
that's
a
spot
where
a
number
of
students
cross
and
I've
seen
them
crossing.
Since
I
was
a
child
attendant,
and
so
what
many
of
us
feel
would
truly
help
the
safety
of
our
children,
families.
If
city
council
would
look
to
approve
a
crossing
guard
directly
in
front
of
those
school
communities
or
have
that
as
something
that
the
working
group
could
work
towards
and
thank.
H
Thank
your
worship,
and
thanks
very
much
mr
zerniko,
for
your
insight
and
that
analysis
and
for
showing
us
that
visual.
So
if,
if
there
was
the
choice,
then
of
the
decision
between
a
crossing
guard
at
dunham
street
right
and
lancaster
or
at
that
corner,
where
you
just
saw
the
crossing
guard,
sorry,
the
sidewalk
on
the
north
side
and
to
then
come
down
on
the
south
side
based
on.
Like
your
analysis
of
what
you've
seen
is.
H
Q
So
I
think
that
a
single
crossing
guard
at
limestone
is
obviously
better
than
what
exists
now,
because
that
will
keep
those
that
are
diligent
safer,
but
I
think
ultimately,
like
the.
In
my
opinion,
the
solution
to
the
safe
crossing
issue
for
those
that
are
crossing
no
to
from
the
south
to
the
north
side
of
lancaster
would
be
placing
a
crossing
guard
at
that
location.
Yes,.
Q
A
S
Thank
you,
mayor
patterson
and
members
of
council,
I'm
here
as
the
past
president
of
the
kingston
rental
property
owners
association,
which
includes,
and
represents
more
than
50
landlords
and
property
managers
in
the
kingston
area.
I'm
here
before
council
to
address
the
proposed
amendments
to
the
bylaw
to
regulate
nuisance
parties
within
the
city.
S
Here
we
are
one
month
away
from
st
patrick's
day
and
several
months
since
homecoming
events,
one
wonders
why
attempts
to
beef
up
the
current
bylaw
are
only
coming
before
council
now.
It
is
alarming
that
this
matter
is
being
brought
forward
for
all
three
readings
at
a
single
meeting
when
little,
if
any
opportunity
for
public
consultation
was
provided.
This
lack
of
planning
is
no
excuse
to
rush
through
these
seriously
flawed
amendments
to
an
already
flawed
bylaw
krpoa
stands
with
the
city
in
its
efforts
to
eliminate
nuisance
parties.
S
The
mayhem
is
not
welcome
in
our
community,
but
the
solution
cannot
be
to
punish
those
who
have
no
ability
to
prevent
these
events
from
occurring.
Only
those
actually
hosting
and
participating
in
nuisance
parties
should
be
held
to
account
and
pay
for
the
consequences
of
their
actions.
The
existing
bylaw
already
has
a
provision
for
finding
landlords,
but
requires
a
warning
notice
to
be
issued.
First.
If
the
subsequent
nuisance
party
happens
within
two
years,
the
landlord
can
be
charged.
The
proposed
amendments
remove
the
requirement
for
a
warning.
S
While
we've
been
assured
that
the
threshold
for
declaring
a
nuisance
party
is
very
high
and
that
as
long
as
the
landlord
can
prove
that
they
did
not
permit
or
allow
the
nuisance
party
to
occur,
then
they
would
not
be
deemed
as
responsible
for
the
event
and
charged
accordingly.
Unfortunately,
there
is
no
language
in
the
report
or
the
bylaw
defining
or
outlining
the
specific
steps
that
the
city
expects
of
landlords
to
ensure
that
they
are
not
held
responsible
for
anyone
to
actually
believe
that
landlords
have
any
power
to
control
their
tenants.
Actions
is
quite
ludicrous.
S
What
landlord
would
give
the
green
light
for
their
tenants
to
go
ahead
and
invite
over
thousands
of
their
closest
friends?
What's
worse?
These
proposed
amendments
will
empower
tenants
even
more.
Why
would
they
take
responsibility
for
their
own
actions
when
their
landlords
will
be
the
ones
footing
the
bill
for
violations?
S
The
report
also
lacks
critical
details
with
respect
to
the
number
of
warnings
and
fines
issued
to
property
owners
and
the
extent
of
arrears
to
date.
We
can
only
assume
that
either
the
warnings
have
worked
and
repeat.
Offenses
at
the
same
address
did
not
occur,
or
the
warnings
did
not
work
and
the
landlords
were
charged
under
the
existing
language
of
the
bylaw.
Should
we
also
assume
that
any
fines
levied
against
property
owners
have
not
been
paid?
Hence
the
proposed
collection
amendments.
S
There
simply
should
not
be
this
many
assumptions
how
many
warnings
have
been
issued
in
fines
charge
against
rental
property
owners,
since
the
bylaw
was
enacted
four
years
ago
and
do
arrears
exist.
We
believe
that
the
intent
of
these
amendments
to
hold
landlords
accountable
for
their
tenants
behavior
is
neither
fair
nor
effective.
These
are
reactionary,
rather
than
preventative,
measures
that
remove
the
onus
and
responsibility
of
bad
behavior
from
those
who
are
actually
responsible.
S
To
add
insult
to
injury,
these
by-law
amendments
seek
to
pass
the
expense
of
maintaining
law
and
order
directly
onto
rental
property
owners.
We
have
no
legal
authority
to
restrict
our
attendance
from
hosting
a
nuisance
party.
We
can
offer
a
stern
warning.
That's
about
it,
given
delays
of
the
landlord
tenant
board,
evicting
tenants
or
collecting
any
compensation
for
fines
levied
by
the
city
or
the
cost
of
destruction
of
property
can
take
upwards
of
a
year.
We
screen
prospective
tenants,
but
we're
talking
about
young
adults
who
have
no
rental
history
and
whose
references
include
their
parents.
S
Welcome
to
the
world
of
student
rentals.
We
can
include
no
nuisance
party
clauses
as
amendments
and
leases,
but
such
clauses
are
unenforceable
unless
the
bad
behavior
is
repeated.
Landlords
simply
do
not
have
the
legal
ability
to
hold
their
tenants
accountable.
What's
happened
to
proactive
approaches
to
actually
prevent
these
parties
from
taking
place?
What's
happened
to
accountability
of
people
breaking
the
law,
what's
happened
to
tenants
being
held
responsible
for
their
actions?
What's
happened
to
queens
and
their
code
of
conduct
for
student,
behavior
and
academic
repercussions?
S
Wouldn't
it
be
more
effective
if
the
university
showed
some
teeth,
that
anyone
responsible
for
hosting
a
party
would
be
expelled
that
anyone
who
attends
a
nuisance
party
would
be
expelled.
The
reason
this
doesn't
happen
is
because
the
students
involved
in
these
parties
have
the
right
to
due
process
and
the
presumption
of
innocence.
Yet
these
proposed
amendments
seek
to
skip
past
these
tenets
of
fundamental
justice
and
find
landlords
who
are
powerless
to
prevent
these
activities.
S
The
proposed
amendments
to
section
4.6
and
6.3
of
the
nuisance
party
bylaw
are
punitive
against
rental
property
owners
for
actions
entirely
outside
of
their
ability
to
regulate,
and
they
are
fundamentally
at
odds
with
the
principles
of
procedural
fairness.
They
are
incredibly
unjust
and
we
strongly
urge
you
to
scrap
these
amendments
and
seriously
evaluate
the
effectiveness
of
this
by-law.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
C
T
S
V
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much,
thank
you
and
with
that
we'll
move
to
our
next
delegation.
So
elevation
improvement
has
been
removed,
so
delegation
number
10.
I
will
invite
deuce
hosting
to
appear
for
council
to
speak
to
information
report
number
three
with
respect
to
intensification
redevelopment
and
climate
change.
Austin
welcome
and
you
have
the
floor.
R
Every
child
can
look
out
their
window
and
see
trees
next,
on
even
the
hottest
days,
they
can
walk
or
bike
along
a
tree-lined
street
next
to
play
visit,
birds
or
hug
a
tree
in
a
nearby
forest.
Next
little
forest
kingston
envisions
kingston
as
a
biodiverse
city
in
a
forest,
or
a
mission
bring
three
thirty
three
hundred
tree
equinee
to
kingston.
Next,
that
means
three
trees.
Everyone
can
see
from
their
window,
thirty
percent
train
cover
in
their
neighborhood
and
no
more
than
three
hundred
meters
to
the
nearest
park.
R
Next,
the
increase
in
extreme
heat
events
makes
this
an
urgent
goal.
Next,
this
is
heat.
Dome
was
the
deadliest
weather
event
in
canadian
history,
with
570
heat
induced
deaths.
Next,
in
kingston,
the
number
of
days
of
greater
than
30
degrees
will
increase
from
6
to
48,
with
heat
waves
lasting
up
to
17
days,
that's
an
8
times
increase
next
extreme
heat
events
are
magnified
by
urban
heat
islands,
which
occur
when
cities
replace
natural
land
cover
with
dense
concentrations
of
pavement
buildings
and
hard
surfaces
that
absorb
and
retain
heat.
R
Next
and
there's
many
direct
and
indirect
impacts,
including
health,
including
increased
air
conditioning
energy
costs,
infrastructure
damage
and
environmental
impacts.
Next
many
cities
are
now
creating
heat
risk.
Maps
such
as
this
is
one
from
toronto,
and
you
can
see
high
park
with
the
light
pink,
which
has
dense
green
space
and
the
darkest
red
are
the
the
highest
heat
areas.
R
Next,
in
the
bc,
heat
wave,
lower
income
neighborhoods
had
doubled
the
heat
related
hospitalizations
and
in
the
poorest
neighborhood
triple
that
dark
red
spot
in
the
middle
next
330
300
builds
climate
resilience
for
extreme
heat
events.
Next
tree
canopy
influences
temperature
as
far
as
60
meters
or
more
if
forest
size
and
density
is
larger
than
that
next,
so
increasing
green
cover
through
urban
forest
is
actually
the
highest
recommended
method
of
reducing
the
urban
heat
island
effect.
R
Making
our
city
a
green
city
next
modeling
suggests
that
this
is
an
example
from
winnipeg
this
summer,
where
an
architect
took
a
temperature
two
blocks
apart
from
a
street
with
canopy
to
a
street
cleared
for
widening
the
traffic,
and
you
can
see
a
15
degree
difference
there.
Next,
so
heat
sensitive
urban
planning,
such
as
linear
parks
and
green
corners,
also
are
another
way
of
reducing
the
urban
heat
island
effect.
Next
long,
linear
continuous
greenways
also
have
substantially
increased
biodiversity
in
singapore.
R
One
of
the
world's
densest
cities
is
doing
major
work
on
on
corridors
to
connect
green
spaces
with
four
layer
canopy
next,
our
urban
forest,
and
you
can
see
on
the
bottom
left.
Urban
forestry
is
one
of
the
greatest
ways
of
the
most
effective
ways
and
on
the
right
there,
tree
protection
ordinances
are
really
important
for
the
urban
forest
and
for
reducing
heat
urban
heat
effect.
Next,
cities
like
barcelona
and
singapore
are
putting
greenery
at
the
center
of
urban
planning,
mobility,
public
health
sustainability,
social
rights
and
culture.
These
are
all
linked
together.
R
In
our
15-minute
city
concept
and
in
the
report,
it
actually
doesn't
mention
green
as
part
of
the
15-minute
city
and
again,
that's
critical
next,
so
330-300
is
an
elegant
strategy,
integrating
intensification
with
human
well-being,
biodiversity
and
climate
resilience
trees
as
critical
urban
assets
next,
so,
instead
of
a
managed
force
that
captures
dht
next,
let's
imagine
a
city
in
a
forest
that
has,
in
addition
to
dht
human
well-being,
biodiversity
and
climate
resilience.
Next.
R
Learning
from
examples
such
as
singapore
and
the
philippines,
which
are
integrating
ecology,
agriculture
and
climate
as
drivers
in
urban
planning,
integrating
food
systems
creating
community
resilience
by
preserving
ecological
function.
Next,
let's
be
good
ancestors,
that's
a
job
330
300,
smart,
green
densification!
H
R
This
concept
was
just
introduced
last
year
by
a
internationally
rounded
forester
at
ubc
and
saanich
bc
was
the
first
municipality
to
adopt
this
as
a
guiding
principle
in
their
urban
forestry,
and
there
is
actually
interest,
including
in
europe
and
and
starting
to
adopt
this.
So
it's
it's,
but
that
was
the
first
city
to
do
it
and
the
only
one
in
canada
so
far.
H
Yeah
very
interesting,
and
as
far
as
I
know,
you
showed
like
the
collins
creek
corridor,
which
is
a
very
important
natural
corridor.
Do
you
see
potential
for
any
other
greenways
or
have
we
sort
of
developed
all
through
the
greenways
like?
Are
there
any
other
ways
that
we
can
try
to
save
before
they're
all
developed.
R
I
mean,
I
think
we
need
to
start
seriously
analyzing
this,
and
actually
some
cities
are
uncovering
greenways
that
have
they
have
previously
covered
in
seoul.
Korea
they've
uncovered
like
a
whole
river
system.
They
took
a
highway
off
and
we
exposed
it
and
it
actually
improved
traffic
and
dramatically
increased
pedestrian
and
people
downtown.
R
So
you
know
in
kingston
any
greenways
we
have
left,
we
should
be
trying
to
preserve
and
the
in,
in
addition
to
the
green
for
urban
heat,
island
blue
is
actually
also
really
important.
It's
the
second
greatest
factor
and
blue
is
our
watershed.
Blue
is
those
corn,
those
creek
corners
blue,
is
our
wetlands
and
those
also
have
a
major
impact.
So
the
more
that
we
can
connect
those
together
have
and
maybe
integrate
our
active
transport
along
those
and
protect
those
and
and
recover
them
when
we
covered
them
over.
W
L
R
R
So
I
think
we
have
to
start
looking
at
and
there
is
some
work
being
done
around.
How
do
you
truly
value
and
and
and
treat
this
as
an
asset
and
look
at
the
cost
and
the
benefit?
And
I
think
that's
what
we
need
to
do
here
and
stop
thinking
of
it
as
just
a
cost
and
analyzing
against
the
other
things
that
are
being
spent
and
saying
actually
now,
when
we
look
at
cost
benefit.
R
L
Yeah,
yes,
well,
the
the
last
thing
you
said
points
out
that
that
gray
infrastructure
has
ongoing
maintenance
costs
that
are
also
not
very
well
quantified.
My
second
question
is
more
your
feeling
about
where
we
are,
as
as
a
as
a
re
as
a
city
bureaucracy,
the
the
large
number
of
staffers
that
work
for
the
city
in
your
interactions
with
the
city.
L
R
R
I-
and
I
think
this
is
pretty
typical
with
city,
so
I
don't
think
this
is
unusual,
but
I
don't
know
for
sure
I
mean
just
you
know,
with
julie,
salter
keen
and
the
climate
leadership
team,
we're
really
looking
forward
to
that
partnership
and
really
getting
to
know
the
the
different
departments
and
the
staff
around
the
city
and
really
understanding
that,
and
maybe
the
linkages
across.
I
think
with
things
like
green
infrastructure
and
the
fact
that
there's
so
many
impacts
across
departments
than
a
team
like
the
climate
leadership
team.
R
L
T
You
mentioned
in
the
presentation,
the
short-term
impacts
of
heat
events
on
individual
health,
and
I
was
just
if,
with
this
proposal,
if
you
have,
if
you've
seen
in
other
jurisdictions,
any
longer
term.
Of
course
I
mean
I'm
imagining
the
health
benefits
of
this.
But
if
you
just
had
any
information
on
that
that
you
hadn't
shared
in
the
presentation.
R
R
I
don't
know
if
it's
newer,
but
the
there's
like
this
white
rewilding,
that
the
human
microbiome
and
the
understanding
that
our
microbiomes,
which
are
there's
a
lot
of
bacteria
in
our
microbiomes,
that
keep
us
healthy
and
the
grainer
and
the
greenery,
the
healthier
the
microbiome,
the
bio,
the
biodiversity
of
our
own
gut
and
that
has
long-term
impacts
on
our
immune
systems.
So
a
lot
of
autoimmune
diseases
they
now
actually
think
are
linked
to
the
lack
of
biodiversity
of
our
microbiomes,
and
so
this
really
increases
in
europe.
R
A
Okay,
are
there
any
other
questions
from
council,
okay,
saying
done:
miss
austin!
Thank
you
very
much
to
delegation
number
eleven
I'll
invite
linda
muscle
to
the
before
council,
to
speak
to
clause.
2
report
number
26
from
the
cio
with
respect
to
the
kingston
penitentiary,
2022
lease
and
partnership
with
humans,
muscle
welcome
and
the.
X
X
So
an
area
of
discussion
and
council
tonight
is
regarding
the
lease
in
partnership
with
kingston
penn
and
I'm
here
to
advise
in
leasing
this
site
for
an
additional
seven
months
that
it
should
be
done
contingent
on
more
concrete
action
to
ensure
equity
and
engagement.
Specifically,
when
looking
at
the
success
of
other
world-class
examples
of
prison
tourism,
former
prisoners
should
be
involved,
employed
and
consulted
on
uses
of
the
site.
This
includes
the
script
and
content
of
tours
employment
as
tour
guides
and
involvement
in
filming
decisions
and
opportunities.
X
I
agree
that
former
prisoner
involvement
is
necessary
to
support
cancel
strategic
plan
guiding
principles.
First,
the
promotion
of
social,
economic
and
health
equity
and
second
public
engagement
to
collect
diverse
perspectives
and
to
act
fairly
sustainably
responsibly
and
equitably.
On
behalf
of
citizens,
by
including
the
voices
of
prisoners,
this
would
also
strengthen
them
for
economic
development
opportunities
and
goal
4.2,
fostering
innovative
arts,
culture
and
social
enterprises
I'll
provide
some
evidence.
X
I'll
speak
to
two
key
examples
where
former
prisoner
inclusion
has
led
to
the
growth
and
success
of
institutions,
so
the
first
one
being
eastern
state
penitentiary
in
philadelphia
and
the
second
being
alcatraz
island
in
san
francisco.
So
visitors
to
these
sites
are
presented
with
certain
narratives
as
part
of
these
tours,
and
the
reception
of
the
narratives
affect
how
visitors
perceive
their
experience
at
sites
and
their
overall
tourism
experience.
X
In
these
two
cases,
the
direction
and
contribution
of
prisoners
have
made
the
sites
larger
tourism
draws
improve
the
quality
of
content
available
to
tourists,
maintain
the
social
relevancy
of
the
sites
and
address
them.
The
critiques
tourism
uses
of
the
sites,
so
eastern
state
pen
is
recognized
worldwide
for
its
discussion
of
social
factors
driving
contemporary
mass
imprisonment.
It
has
more
than
258
000
visitors
per
year.
Alcatraz
offers
prisoner
voices
directly
on
the
tours.
It
employs
former
prisoner
writers
and
has
tours
conducted
by
indigenous
peoples
as
well.
X
X
So
I
think,
including
former
prisoners,
help
mitigate
future
critiques,
as
public
opinion
continues
to
shift.
So
my
two
main
recommendations
would
be
first
consultation,
so
reach
out
to
organizations
that
are
prisoner,
organized
and
led
develop
a
council
of
former
prisoners
from
kingston
penn,
the
cultural
cultures
research
initiative
can
help
with
this
work
and
is
in
touch
with
several
former
prisoners
from
that
prison
and
second,
regarding
equity,
so
ensure
that
site
uses
directly
promote
the
equity
of
former
prisoners
as
they
define
it,
both
economically
and
socially.
X
So
I
could
see
this
including
recruiting
former
kingston
penn
prisoners
for
paid
employment
opportunities
such
as
giving
tours,
and
importantly,
it
should
involve
former
prisoners
being
able
to
help
tell
the
story
of
pinks
and
pen
which
they
are
not
currently
permitted
to
do.
It
also
include
providing
opportunity
for
former
prisoner
artists
to
perform
still
art
and
writing
and
music.
That's
all.
Thank
you
again.
I
welcome
any
questions.
E
X
Right,
I
don't
have
that
information
on
hand,
but
that's
something
that
we
could
easily
look
into
the
evolution
of
those
sites.
I
know
both
of
them
have
a
longer
tourism
use
history
than
kingston
penn,
so
it
is
totally
possible
that
there's
been
an
evolution
in
the
programming
and
content
and
the
uses
of
those
sites.
X
C
X
A
A
AA
AA
Before
I
begin,
I
would
like
to
express
my
utmost,
thanks
to
joanne
whitfield,
our
teacher
and
librarian,
for
her
unwavering
support
in
all
of
this.
So
thanks.
So
so
much
okay
onto
business,
like
I
said,
I'm
14,
and
that
pretty
much
means
that
my
power,
along
with
most
young
people's
power
in
society,
is
pretty
limited.
We
can't
drive,
we
can't
get
a
high-paying
job,
we
can't
run
for
an
election
heck.
We
can't
even
vote
in
one.
So
no
wonder
it's
no
wonder.
Youth
and
young
people
have
such
high
climate
anxiety.
AA
AA
AA
AA
We
prepared
a
forest
floor
for
one
by
our
school
and
one
for,
and
we
helped
with
the
planting
of
trees
for
one
by
highway
15.,
and
you
know
what,
for
many
of
us,
the
fact
that
we
knew
we
were
doing
something
to
help
in
any
small
way
was
an
enormous
relief,
but
I
mean
this
does
make
sense.
We
know
that
taking
action
relieves,
anxiety
and
stress.
AA
AA
AA
We
are
beginning
to
understand
what
indigenous
cultures
always
have
that
intact.
Biodiverse
natural
spaces
that
are
connected
to
each
other,
creating
green
corridors
are
crucial
for
mental
health
and
for
the
health
of
the
planet.
I
would
like
to
challenge
the
council
to
think
beyond.
Tree
counts
to
forest
counts.
Forests
like
the
forest
I
planted
with
little
forest
kingston
with
communities
that
surround
them
as
guardians.
AA
A
study
of
toronto
school
grounds
has
shown
that
children's
readiness
to
learn
improves
when
they've
increased
tree
cover
and
tree
species
diversity
in
schools.
It
turns
out
that
having
a
tree
nearby
helps
with
concentration
and
focus.
This
effect
is
most
pronounced
with
kids
from
disadvantaged
neighborhoods.
AA
The
youth
may
not
have
much
power,
but
you
do
you
have
the
opportunity
to
enact
change
to
make
kingston
a
more
vibrant
and
eco-conscious
city.
You
are
the
leaders
and
you've
got
the
chance
to
work
with
us
to
cultivate
resiliency
and
equity.
The
youth
are
watching,
make
your
choice.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
AB
Sorry
mayor,
yes,
thank
you.
Do
you
have
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
I
I
really
liked
it.
That
was
very
upbeat,
and
I
think
we
needed
to
hear
what
you
had
to
say
are.
Do
you
do?
Can
you
tell
us
what
projects
you
have
worked
on
here
and
did
I
miss
that
part?
What
what
what
have
you
worked
on
locally
here.
AB
AB
H
Thank
your
worship
through
you
thanks.
So
much
for
your
presentation,
miss
taylor,
quick.
I
just
wondered
if
I
think
I
heard
that
kingston
secondary
school
is
actually
going
to
be
a
site
for
the
little
forest
like
there's
gonna,
be
a
little
section
in
the
back
backyard
somewhere
of
the
school
grounds
that
is
going
to
have
a
planting.
Is
that
true?
Is
that
one
of
the
projects,
maybe
for
this
summer,
in
2022,.
AA
Yes,
men
in
whitfield
has
been
working
very
hard
to
get
that
off
the
ground.
We've
all
been
working
very
hard.
Unfortunately,
there
has
been
a
few
hurdles,
we're
hoping
those
will
be
cleared
up
as
soon
as
possible,
so
that
we
can
create
a
more
vibrant
community
for
our
school
and
for
the
neighboring
like
citizens
super.
Thank
you.
A
A
AC
Thank
you
for
having
me
tonight,
I'm
here
tonight
tonight,
as
speaking
to
you
as
chair
of
kingston
coal
coalition
for
active
transportation.
That's
kcat
for
short,
since
kcat
was
formed
in
2008,
we've
been
working
with
the
city
to
provide
guidance
on
how
to
create
the
necessary
conditions
for
active
transportation.
Engagement
in
kingston,
and
one
of
those
conditions
is
to
recognize
and
address
the
barriers
we
have
to
active
transportation
engagement.
AC
AC
First,
motorists
are
traveling
at
speeds
that
would
almost
always
be
fatal
for
a
pedestrian
if
they
were
struck,
even
at
40
kilometers
an
hour.
We
we
know
that
there
is
serious
risk
of
injury
or
fatality.
It
rises
exponentially
with
speeds
higher
than
20
kilometers
per
hour.
The
second
threat
in
school
zones
is
traffic
volume
as
more
and
more
children
are
being
driven
to
school.
AC
AC
So
the
good
news
is
that
I'm
here
to
talk
to
you
tonight
about,
I
think,
a
successful
pilot,
that's
being
run,
as
you
know,
at
winston
churchill
public
school.
So
I
could,
if
I
can
ask
the
clerk
to
just
I'm
just
going
to
show
you
a
few
pictures,
there's
about
a
dozen
pictures
here
that
just
show
you
how
it
works.
You
know
this
is
september
and
and
little
kids
have
bicycles
and
and
strollers
and
and
they
walk
to
school.
So
this
is
the
school
street.
AC
AC
They
have
freedom
of
that
street.
They
they
socialize
they
it's.
No!
It's
no
accident
that
there's
no
sound
here,
because
it's
really
quiet
all
you
hear
are
kids
talking
laughing
our
our
school
streets,
usher
in
teachers
and
residents
into
the
parking
lot
located
on
the
on
the
one
side
of
the
street.
AC
So
there
you
can
see
this
school
street
operates
in
in
all
weather
and
all
conditions
when
it
gets
a
little
too
snowy,
there's
not
very
many
bicycles,
but
there's
sleds
and
toboggans
appear.
You
see
many
kids.
We
notice
them
starting
to
use
the
street
a
lot
more,
as
as
they
got
more
comfortable
with
it
being
available.
AC
The
barricades
and
and
equipment
are
really
pretty
straightforward,
and
I
tried
to
illustrate
a
few
of
the
things.
Kids.
Kids
are
very
happy
to
be
pulled
along
when
the
snow
situations
and
here
they're
happy
to
play
in
an
area-
that's
full
of
snow
in
the
back
back
of
the
schoolyard,
but
it
gives
them.
B
AC
Right,
okay,
so
that's
the
the
school
street
in
action.
I
just
wanted
to
mention
to
you
that
school
street
has
been
very
successful.
We've
been
kcat
has
been
offering
guidance
to
several
communities,
including
vancouver
victoria
and
bc.
Hamilton,
mississauga
and
markham
are
launching
a
school
school
streets
pilot
and
we've
been
consulted
regularly.
We
meet
monthly
since
september.
AC
A
L
Thanks
your
worship,
thank
you,
mr
healey.
So
it
sounds
to
me,
like
you,
you're,
giving
an
emphatic
thumbs
up
to
the
success
of
this
pilot.
You've
had
some
great
photos
to
illustrate
from
the
photos.
It
looks
fairly
busy
on
these
roads,
with
lots
of
pedestrians
and
and
all
the
different
modes
of
transportation.
L
I've
never
seen
sleds
illustrated
as
active
transportation,
but
that
makes
sense,
and
I
and
I'm
reminded
of
of
some
of
the
video
that
I
saw
of
from
toronto
when
they
closed
lakeshore
boulevard
and
someone
was
counting
active
transportation
users
on
that
stretch
and
also
counting
cars
on
the
on
the
same
area
and
and
they
came
up
with
shocking
difference.
Where
is
much
higher
number
of
active
transportation
users
using
the
same
piece
of
roadway
than
there
ever
was
by
vehicle
users?
AC
L
Right
so
I
see
my
questions
a
bit
premature.
I
do
know
dr
collins
work
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
hearing
that
and
you're
right.
That's
probably
where
that
information
will
appear
anecdotally,
though,
from
your
photos,
it
does
appear
that
the
road
has
more
users
now
during
that
period
than
it
ever
would
from
vehicle
users
just
from
from
the
photos
you've
shown.
But
but
of
course,
that's
anecdotals,
we'll
wait
for
the
for
the
official
analysis
and
thank
you
again
for
coming.
H
Thank
you,
your
worship
through
you.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
the
information
you
provided.
Mr
lee,
I'm
happy
to
hear
how
successful
it
is
down
at
winston
churchill
public
school.
If
cars
want
to
go
straight
through,
like
they're,
not
actually
dropping
off
a
child,
are
they
not
allowed
during
those
pickup
and
drop-off
hours,
or
is
that
when
a
parent
would
act
like
a
volunteer,
parent
would
actually
escort
the
the
car
right
through
or
do
you
just
not
allow
through
traffic
at
all.
AC
AC
There's
a
good
grid
area
of
streets
in
the
neighborhood
that
people
just
find
alternate
way
around.
So
they
come
up
to
to
from
the
south.
They
come
up
back
to
elder
hill.
They
they
cross
over
on
hill
up
to
napier
or
willingdon.
So
they're,
you
know
there's
a
way
around
and
and
and
that's
the
thing
we
we
should
be
aware
of-
that-
that
cars
can
move
around
and
find
find
different
routes
pretty
easily
really.
H
Thank
you,
and
this
is
a
pilot
project
at
winston
churchill
correct.
So
if
the
the
two
schools,
mother,
teresa
and
lancaster,
drive
public
school,
if
they
wanted
to
consider
closing
lancaster
drive,
how
soon
could
they
make
that
part
of
the
same
closed
street
program?
How
soon
could
they
make
that
happen?.
AC
Well,
there's
a
there's:
a
there
was
quite
a
bit
of
work
to
get
it
started
for
sure
and
and
a
lot
of
cooperation
and
and
working
with
this
transportation
services
department.
They
were,
of
course,
instrumental
in
in
helping
us
put
together
the
traffic
control
program
and-
and
it
was
presented
to
council
in
august
last
year,
if,
if
now
that
they've
been
through
it-
and
they
know,
we-
we've
learned
a
lot
of
the
the
the
problems
and
the
issues
that
that
can
arise
and
they
would
probably.
AC
I
can't
speak
for
them
of
course,
but
but
I
think
they
would
find
it
reasonably
easy
to
to
get
another
group
going.
There's
there's
a
lot
of
work
involved.
Of
course,
in
we're
completely
volunteer
run,
we
we're
running
literally
on
on
very
little
money,
our
volunteers,
once
we
once
we
gathered
them.
We
we
had
a
lot
of
recruitment
of
volunteers
in
the
summer,
but
we
were
very
grateful
to
get
as
many
queen
students
as
we.
We,
we
get
a
large
number
of
queen
students
who
help
us
out.
AC
It's
only
a
basically
a
an
hour
commitment
from
for
each
shift
and
from
most
an
hour
getting
there
and
getting
back
included.
So
so
it's
a
very
small
period
of
time
for
a
volunteer
to
work
and
we
they
had
to
get
police
training
or
sorry,
police,
certification,
c
picks
or
k
picks
for
for
working
with
vulnerable
populations,
but
other
than
that
and
and
we
paid
for
that
at
35
dollars.
AC
We
provided
a
few
inexpensive
safety,
vests
high
visibility,
vests
and
some
training
on
on
how
to
deal
with
the
the
crossings
and
yeah.
It's
it's
really
not
a
big
deal
it.
It
probably
felt
like
a
big
deal
for
the
first
couple
of
weeks.
We
were
operating
because
it
was,
it
was
quite
busy,
but
it
it
very
quickly
became.
I
think,
a
smooth
operation.
C
Thanks
for
the
presentation
sounds
like
a
great
project.
I'm
I'm
curious.
I
know
you're
familiar
with
this
because
we've
talked
about
it
in
the
past,
but
there's
a
lot
of
communities
now
that
are
supporting
what
are
called
walking
school
buses
in
order
to
get
students
to
school
safely
without
and
I'd
suggest
to
anybody.
AC
AC
The
cars
that
are
not
allowed
to
cross
into
the
street
and
and
the
crosston
guard
is
there
to
set
up
open
the
barriers
to
let
in
the
exempted
people
like
the
features
and-
and
otherwise
you
know
it's
it's
roughly
the
same
situation
as
a
crossing
guard
and
the
the
the
nice
part
of
that
is
that
a
crossing
guard
has
again
the
same
short
shift
and
a
very,
very
designated
duty.
I
think
one
of
the
earlier
speakers
talked
about
children
wanting
to
cross
at
areas
other
than
the
intersection.
AC
Well,
the
whole
street
would
be
closed
off,
so
they
that's,
not
a
problem.
Vehicles
can
get
around.
We
we've
learned
with
we've
learned
with
the
400
series
highways
are,
no,
you
don't
see
people
walking
their
dogs
their.
We
know
the
logic
is
that
pedestrians
are
incompatible
with
that
kind
of
street.
Well,
if
you
flip
that
around
you,
you
would
say
that
vehicles
are
not
compatible
with
that
street
at
a
time
when
we
have
so
many
young
vulnerable
pedestrians
nearby.
AC
F
AC
AC
We
did
we
took
a
lot
of
time
to
to
go
door
to
door
to
the
neighbors,
all
the
neighbors
in
the
surrounding
area,
to
notify
them
of
of
the
the
what
was
happening,
how
the
the
neighbors
involved
directly
in
the
school
street,
those
nine
homes,
how
they
would
deal
with
it.
So
there
we
did
it
a
lot
by
just
you
know,
paper
mail
or
paper
flyers
dropped
at
the
door
communication
with
the
parent
counsels
with,
and
I
have
to
say
the
principle
is
key.
AC
You
you
have
to
get
the
principal
involved
in
the
school
in
this
project
and
and
principal
has
been
great.
What
else
I
mean,
it's
sure,
there's
a
lot
of
work.
We
had
a
very
capable
student
working
in
the
summer
project,
helping
sort
of
stick
handle
all
this
stuff
and
we
all
chipped
in
with
with
the
communication.
But
it's
we
have
a
communication
plan.
The
other
thing
I
mentioned
the
three
communities
in
the
gtha
hamilton,
mississauga
and
markham
they're
they've
got
their
city
staff
working
on
this.
AC
Their
school
board
staff
are
working
on
it
and
they've
got
really
good
communication
plans
all
laid
out,
so
so
they'd
be
easy
to
borrow,
but
but
in
the
end
yeah
it's
very
important
to
make
everyone
aware
of.
What's
going
on
before
it
happens,
they're
still
shocked,
they're
still
surprised.
When
it
happens,
they
still
pretend
they
never
saw
the
notices,
but
that's
just
par
for
the
course.
F
AC
Yes,
I
I
I'd
be
well,
certainly,
I
know
several
of
our
members
would
be
very,
very
happy
to
to
at
least
tell
you
our
experiences
and
trying
to
help
other
programs
get
started.
I
really
think
kingston
could
easily
implement
some
of
this
in
in
many
of
the
elementary
school
areas,
especially
those
that
have
these
high
traffic
problems
there.
It
takes
a
lot
of
study
to
just
look
at
look
at
the
area
and
really
analyze
it.
AC
You
heard
tonight
from
from
a
lot
of
the
residents
nearby
who
really
know
the
area
very
well,
and
they
know
what
what
can
be
done,
but
again
they're
thinking
of
what
tools
they've
seen.
They
haven't
really
seen
this
in
action
and-
and
I
welcome
them
to
to
explore
it
and
find
out
more
I'm
able
to
talk
to
them
for
sure.
N
AC
AC
N
Sure
I
recall
that
I'm
sorry
I
I
I
I
confuse
that
so
my
other
question,
because
I
a
lot
of
us
have
heard
from
people
you
know
with
you
know.
Obviously
we
all
have
schools
in
our
districts
that
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
congestion
in
terms
of
cars
parking
on
both
sides
of
the
road.
So
I'm
looking
at
at
your
pilot.
AC
So
there
there
there
is
a
bit
of
a
dilution
effect
by
having
having
the
school
school
blocked
off
the
way
we
have
it.
200
meters
on
on
macdonell
does
provide
that
quiet
space
that
calm
space,
that
once
people
who
drop
off
their
children
get
get
to
that
point.
They
they
can
feel
they
can
relax
and
feel
comfortable
that
they're
they're
within
a
zone
that
that's
very
safe.
A
Okay,
mr
hilly,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
donation.
At
this
point,
we'll
move
to
number
15
and
mr
bersie,
who
I
know
was
also
present
for
the
last
allegation.
That's
that's
coming
I'll
hand
the
floor
over
to
him
representing
the
portsmouth
district
community
association
to
speak
to
council
for
information
report
number
three,
mr
percy
welcome
and
you
have
the
floor.
AD
Hi,
my
name
is
bruce
burcy
and
I
live
on
mulcaster
street
in
calvin
park
as
the
president,
I'm
here
this
evening
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
portsmouth
district
community
association
living
in
calvin
park.
It's
become
more
and
more
common
to
hear
the
sounds
of
chainsaws
during
the
spring
to
autumn
months,
and
it's
not
my
neighbors
cutting
firewood.
AD
AD
Recent
recently
residents
have
reached
out
to
request
replacements
of
trees
along
the
streets
in
calvin
park.
In
the
past
they
were
provided
a
list
of
tree
varieties
to
choose
from,
but
last
year
they
were
informed.
The
city
will
not
be
replanting
in
the
grass
boulevards,
since
this
neighborhood
was
designed
with
water
and
sanitary
means
running
through
the
boulevards,
while
it's
understandable
to
avoid
problems
with
infrastructure.
AD
This
is
a
major
change
in
policy,
one
that
most
do
not
fully
understand
if
we
are
not
able
to
find
a
way
to
replace
these
trees
and
add
more
it's
becoming
evident.
The
neighborhood
is
being
placed
at
greater
risk
from
climate
change,
with
long-term
consequences
on
the
quality
of
life
and
the
stability
of
the
neighborhood.
We
have
come
to
know
and
love.
AD
AD
Such
as
what
they
call
tree
pits
that
allow
trees
to
reach
maturity,
phase
of
their
life
cycle,
where
they
will
survive
for
many
years
within
boulevards
requiring
little
maintenance
include
all
city
lands,
not
just
parks
and
along
railways.
Excuse
me,
along
roadways
in
the
canopy
survey
and
management
plan.
AD
This
is
an
opportunity
for
the
city
to
work
with
developers
to
plant
trees
in
a
way
that
will
provide
meaningful
shade,
reflecting
the
site
conditions
and
sun
location
at
each
of
the
bus
stops
use
trees
to
support
traffic
calming
it's
well
documented
that
trees
and
shrubs
give
the
perception
of
narrower
roadways,
which
slows
speeds.
Sir
john,
a
boulevard
is
notable
with
average
speeds
of
more
than
67
kilometers
per
hour.
When
the
speed
limit
is
50.,
there
is
significant
opportunity
to
plant
trees
along
the
entire
length
of
this
major
roadway.
AD
In
closing,
there
is
a
growing
interest
from
local
residents
who
are
seeking
ways
to
help
the
development
and
implementation
of
the
operational
forest
management
plan
prevents
an
opportunity
to
engage
the
community
to
contribute
to
achieving
the
important
goal
of
three
thirty.
Three
hundred,
I
encourage
you
to
find
ways
to
work
with
the
portsmouth
district
association
and
other
community
associations
and
neighborhood
groups
to
engage
interested
members
of
the
public.
A
H
Thank
you
through
your
worship.
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
bersie,
for
the
information
you
just
provided.
I
think
it's
very
worrisome
that
we're
not
replanting
the
street
trees,
even
though,
like
you
said
if
they
do
have
too
much
infrastructure
beneath
the
ground
to
replant
new
ones.
Why,
then,
are
we
not
like
planting
that
same
number,
along
pathways
and
parks
other
places
to
make
up
for
that
loss?
H
AD
F
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
Thanks
for
your
presentation
at
the
very
very
end,
you
brought
up
the
three
by
30
by
300
that
miss
houston
huston
spoke
of
earlier,
which
is
a
new
concept
for
many
people
in
kingston,
including
forest
councillors,
and
it
sounds
like
an
introduction
of
lots
of
trees
like
the
whole
concept
of
a
city
in
a
forest
and
the
three
by
thirty.
By
three
hundred.
Do
you
think
that
there
is
space
in
in
calvin
park?
AD
Yes,
there's
definitely
in
fact,
calvin
park,
I
think,
is
one
of
the
the
communities
that
actually
could
achieve
this
early
on.
One,
as
you
know,
with
a
300,
is
that
people
will
have
no
more
than
300
meters
to
walk
to
a
park,
and
we
have
that
already
more
or
less
in
our
district
throughout
the
district,
but
it's
more
related
to
planting
trees
and
not
just
on
city
property.
It's
also
something
that
would
be
that
we
need
to
focus
on
private
property.
AD
Many
of
the
trees
that
have,
for
example,
that
have
been
removed
by
the
for
in
response
to
the
emerald
borer
is
on
private
property,
and
there
is
no
policy
in
place
that
actually
is
and
and
encourages
and
supports
private
property
owners
residents
to
replace
those
trees.
So
it's
it's
not
just
on
city
property.
I
think
that
it's
also
something
that
the
the
new
operational
forest
management
plan
needs
to
focus
on
private
property
as
well.
F
AD
AD
The
church
that's
right
next
to
the
school
there,
but
it's
we
need
more
than
that
and
when
we,
for
example,
when
new
pathways
are
built
right
now,
public
involvement
is
limited
to
where
to
put
a
park
bench.
We're
really
not
asked
much
more.
I
think
that
we
need
to
broaden
the
community
involvement
in
the
whole
of
the
whole
planning
cycle
of
of
our
pathways
and
and
and
engage
people
to
mindfully
identify
locations
where
shade
would
be
of
benefit
as
well.
A
A
Okay,
perhaps
perhaps
what
I
propose
is
that
we
will
move
to
our
our
last
delegation
and
then
we
can
circle
back
just
just
to
see
if
miss
claus
johnson
is
still
there.
So
at
this
point,
then
we'll
invite
we'll
invite
alex
jansen
from
the
kingston
film
office,
kristen
leclair
from
casey
accommodation
partners,
megan
knott
from
tourism,
kingston
and
jeff
waysick
from
lawrence
perks,
commission
to
speak
council
with
respect
to
clause,
2
report
number
26
from
the
cio
kings,
penitentiary,
2022,
lease
and
partnership
agreements,
so
welcome
all
and.
W
Thank
you,
mayor
and
council
next
slide
and
next
slide.
Please
so
slpc
is
known
for
delivering
high
quality
and
respectful
historic
programming
at
the
former
kingston
penitentiary
site.
The
standard
and
extended
tours
are
the
most
popular
offerings,
accompanied
by
the
architectural
and
film
tours
added
in
2021.
W
W
It
is
often
thought
that
history
is
static,
static,
but,
as
time
goes
on,
new
facts
are
discovered
and
new
organizations
are
consulted,
leading
to
the
evolution
of
these
tours
to
include
better
a
better
representation
of
all
of
those
involved
in
the
story
of
this
national
historic
site
next
slide,
slpc
values,
our
ongoing
partnerships
that
are
part
of
the
delivery
of
kingston
pen
tours
is
through
these
partnerships
that
the
impact
of
guests
arriving
is
elevated,
resulting
in
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
returned
to
the
local
economy.
Over
the
past
two
years,
this
impact
has
been
lower.
W
AF
Sorry
about
that
yeah
we
are
coming
out
of
an
absolute
record
year.
More
than
five
million
in
direct
spend
from
the
film
and
media
sector
and
about
50
of
the
major
production
was
all
at
kingston
penitentiary.
So
the
the
premiere
for
amazon's
preacher,
three
months
of
the
mayor
of
kingstown,
the
final
episode
of
dan
brown's,
the
lost
symbol
in
code8
part
2.
AF
next
slide,
and
I
wanted
to
kind
of
draw
attention
to
just
the
economic
impact
that
we
see
from
something
like
mayor
of
kingstown,
so
that
was
more
than
2
million
in
hotel,
accommodations
alone,
30
locals
working
in
in
junior
crew
capacity,
150
locals
working
as
background
performers
and
dozens
of
local
suppliers
involved
in
what
was
a
really
difficult
covert
year.
We
also
saw
more
than
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
upgrades
to
kingston
penitentiary
from
productions
as
well
as
multiple
donations
to
the
community.
Next
slide.
AF
AG
AG
It's
also
an
attraction,
obviously
is
alex
stated
for
film
production,
so
notably,
all
of
these
that
we
touched
upon
as
well
as
the
economic
impact.
Next
slide,
please
and
job
creation,
as
alex
spoke
about
plus
earned
media.
So
obviously
you
know
collectively
with
tours
as
well
as
film.
It's
also
a
really
important
marketing
channel,
and
I
will
just
like
too
that
collaboration
within
the
community
is
also
very
important,
whether
it's
in
film
or
in
tours
or
other
types
of
events
that
we've
seen
pass
through
kp.
AE
Thanks
megan,
so
just
to
reiterate
some
of
the
things
that
my
partners
and
colleagues
have
mentioned,
but
from
a
hotel
perspective,
kp
tours
has
and
film
has
been
really
fantastic.
It
definitely,
as
I
mentioned,
is
an
anchor
attraction,
but
it
motivates
travel.
It's
one
of
our
signature
offerings.
It
definitely
diversifies
what
we
offer
so
we're
always
looking
for
things
that
kind
of
can
expand
outside
of
the
summer
months.
AE
Also
different
items
in
town
that
help
people
extend
their
stays,
maybe
come
back
for
longer
those
types
of
things
and,
as
I've
mentioned,
we've
seen
lots
overnight
stays
but
also
new
product
development
opportunities
exist
there.
So
we're
very
supportive
of
the
file
before
you
today
and
we
welcome
any
questions.
So
thank
you
for
your
time.
C
C
AF
Yeah
absolutely
thank
you
very
much
yeah
the
the
program.
The
way
we
we
worked
it
initially
is.
We
did
information
sessions
that
then
led
to
workshops
with
all
the
major
unions.
It
then
led
into
a
pilot
program
with
queens,
where
there's
20
students
credited
and
insured
to
work
on
production
of
those
of
those
students.
We
from
the
first
pilot
class,
four
of
them
ended
up
by
the
time
they
were
done.
They'd
never
been
on
a
set
before
they
were
fourth
year
film
students.
AF
AF
So
I
think
what
we're
gonna
see
is
more
production
not
just
coming
shooting
leaving
but
actually
staying
here
and
engaging
more
within
the
community
and
and
the
goal
is
to
also
get
the
the
local
production
companies
who,
in
a
very
otherwise
difficult
year,
because
a
lot
of
them
couldn't
afford
to
shoot
themselves
under
covet
guidelines.
We
were
able
to
get
a
lot
of
them
working
on
these
productions.
I
mean
it's
turned
into
a
really
great
sector.
E
AF
Yeah
it
it
depends
on
the
productions-
usually
it's
it's
by
it's
by
by
car,
and
sometimes
it's
shuttling.
So
when
I
listed
the
the
kind
of
the
unexpected
economic
benefits
that
you
would
see
from
a
production
like
mayor
of
kingstown,
so
that
was
one
where
we
actually
got
a
contact
from
the
the
greyhound
operator
who
said
that
for
them
in
a
very
difficult
year,
they
ended
up
running
92
shuttles
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
worth
of
business,
bringing
in
bringing
in
crew
and
bringing
especially
background
to
the
area.
A
Z
Oh
good,
so
a
little
bit,
I'm
not
I'm
not
that
good
on
the
computer
so
that
that's
why
I've
missed
places.
But
I
wanted
you
to
know
that
I
did
send
you
a
letter
and
it's
in
writing
and
I
believe
all
the
city
council
would
have
a
copy
of
it.
But
my
my
delegation
today
today
is
to
speak
on
a
request
that
I
would
like
to
see.
City
council
do
what
I
would
call
an
internal
review
of
their
of
their
needs
as
a
a
voice
of
the
of
the
community.
Z
Z
What
is
the
impact
of
city
council's
decisions
and
how
does
how
are
they
made
so
when
I
think
about
that,
I
think
that
there
are
people
there
and
I'm
asking
that
there
be
some
way,
some
some
project,
some
notion
that
your
decision-making
process
comes
through
the
elected
officials
and
what
are
you
elected
for
a
decision,
and
so
I'm
asking
you
to
think
about
how
you
make
your
decisions.
What's
your
priorities
and
I'm
asking
you
to
look
at
an
indigenous
wellness
factor
that
says
wellness
is
full
spectrum,
the
full
spectrum
of
what
is
this
socially?
Z
What
is
it
mentally?
What
is
it
spiritually
and
what
is
it
socially
as
well?
Physically
excuse
me.
So
the
cutting
down
and
the
cut
the
classic,
the
classic
cutting
everything
down
for
me
had
a
an
impact.
When
I
learned
from
one
of
your
reports
that
you
were
cutting
down
the
juveniles,
the
youngsters,
the
the
little
kids
and
the
babies
and
you
were
saying
that
they
had
no
value
because
they
were
under
a
certain
centimeters
of
size,
you
could
cut
them
down.
Z
I
I
think
that
you
say
that
in
amongst
a
grandmother
who's
older
than
kingston
older
than
canada
has
watched
it
all.
So
I'm
I'm
I'm
asking
you
as
a
city
council,
to
take
on
a
review
of
the
south,
the
city
council
itself
and
say
how
are
you
making
decision,
because
this
is
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
full
spectrum
rather
than
it's
more
practical?
Z
It's
and
the
report
says
this,
and
somebody
else
says
that
I
want
you
to
look
at
well
how
those
decisions
impact
on
us
and
clear
cutting
is
definitely
not
a
downtown
number
one
capital
of
canada
decision
to
be
made
to
clear
up.
So
that's
why
I
was,
and
my
letter
states
that
I
hope
you
I
hope
you
all
read
it
and
you
definitely
have
the
openness
to
to
communicate
and
I
am.
Z
I
am
happy
to
be
involved
in
an
organization
that,
like
you
have
here,
to
have
the
city
council
open
enough
to
look
at
itself
and
to
listen
to
us,
come
forward
and
say
things
to
you.
We
say
but
but
but
so
I've
got
four
butts,
and
that
means
I'd
like
you
to
look
at
yourself
across
a
full
spectrum
of
indigenous
wellness
and
that's
my
letter
and
that's
my
speech.
A
A
A
So
at
this
point
we
are
through
delegations,
and
so
we
will
move
on
to
briefings.
We
have
one
briefing
this
evening:
megan
knott,
executive
director,
director
of
tourism,
kingston
kristen,
leclaire
of
kingston
accommodation
partners
and
pat
kelly
and
john
dunn
from
floor
13.
Will
brief
council
on
clause
1
of
report
number
26
received
from
the
cio
regarding
the
conference
center
feasibility
study
outcomes
and
next
steps?
So
I
will
turn
it
over
to
you.
Folks.
You
have
a
floor
and
then
I
will
open
it
up
to
questions
from
council.
AG
AH
Thanks
megan,
mr
mayor
councillors,
thanks
for
having
us
this
evening,
we
don't
have
that
much
time,
so
I'll
jump
right
into
it.
So
if
we
get
to
the
next
slide,
as
megan
pointed
out,
we
given
a
clear
mandate
to
look
at
the
probable
impact
of
what
would
happen
on
the
desk
at
the
destination
if
we
added
what
we
deemed
as
a
hundred
room
hotel
as
part
of
the
proposed
convention
center
conference
center,
that
is,
that
is
being
considered
for
block
four.
AH
So
a
couple
of
things
that
we
wanted
to
look
at
was
to
make
sure
that
there'd
really
be
a
quantum
increase
of
conference
and
meetings
business
coming
in
to
kingston.
If
such
such
a
project
was
put
together,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
this
facility,
along
with
the
hotel,
will
be
able
to
sort
of
able
to
capture
that
lost
business.
That
we've
been
recording
over
the
last
several
years
that
we
know
we've
been
losing
to
other
destinations
because
of
this
lack
of
facility
and
as
well.
AH
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
new
hotel
would
be
able
to
adequately
absorb
any
business
coming
in,
but
also
not
be
a
detriment
to
the
existing
hotel
park,
that's
already
in
town.
So
for
the
sake
of
this
study,
just
to
reiterate,
we
used
the
assumption
that
this
would
be
a
100
room.
Hotel
next
slide,
please
so
the
mythology,
the
methodology
that
we
used.
We
looked
at
obviously
the
segment
meetings
and
conventions
across
canada
and
looked
at
some
of
those
trends
out
there
and
how
lucrative
that
market
is.
AH
We
looked
at
data
from
past
reports
on
the
convention
center
and
what
those
had
said
as
well.
We
looked
at
tourism,
kingston's
lost
business
report.
Now
we
considered
only
what
tourism
kingston
had
recorded.
This
does
not
include
what
the
hotels
had
had
as
lost
business
and
or
planners
that
had
not
even
considered
kingston
just
by
knowing
that
the
facilities
weren't
there,
so
we
only
dealt
with
what
we
knew
really
had
been
lost
for
sure
by
tourism
kingston.
AH
We
also
spoke
to
many
stakeholders
in
town,
both
hoteliers
attractions
and
as
well
as
city
officials
and
economic
development
officials.
We
reviewed
best
practices
that
are
happening
in
other
destinations
and,
of
course
we
did
some
forecasting
based
on
future
potential
impact
of
the
city
based
on
reports
from
cbre
and
other
predictable
companies
like
them
next
slide.
AH
So
the
very
first
thing
is:
we
looked
at
your
hotel
inventory,
there's
37
hotels
in
the
city
that
have
about
2
500
rooms.
So
if
we
extrapolate
that
on
a
yearly
basis,
it's
about
940
000
room
nights
available
for
sale.
If
we
added
that
100
room
hotel,
that
would
only
bring
it
up
to
976,
so
we're
only
adding
about
35
or
36
000
room
nights
available
with
that
one
run,
100
room
hotel.
That
would
be
added
now.
AH
If
we
really
look
at
it
and
drill
down
a
little
bit
more
there's
really
eight
hotels
that
come
into
play
that
are
really
in
the
conventions
and
in
the
meetings
space
within
kingston
and
within
those
eight
hotels,
there's
only
about
1200
rooms.
So
if
we
use
the
same
math
as
we
did
for
all
37,
if
we
look
on
a
yearly
basis,
that's
only
about
450
000
room
nights
available.
AH
AH
Obviously
I
don't
have
to
explain
to
you
all
that
2020
and
2021
is
a
bit
of
a
write
off,
so
we
for
most
studies
that
we're
doing
now
we're
looking
at
a
three
or
four
year
average
going
back
starting
in
2019
and
normalizing
those
as
the
normalization
years.
So
when
looking
at
kingston,
the
blue
line
is
the
total
occupancy
for
the
entire
year
and
the
orange
line
is
the
summer
occupancy
average
for
june
july
and
august,
as
you
know
very
well,
those
are
your
highest
seasons.
AH
So
if
we
look
at
it
on
a
four-year
average,
the
city
does
about
63
percent
here
year-round
and
about
79
during
the
summer.
So
there's
room
to
grow
and
the
nice
thing
about
meetings
and
conventions.
Is
they
don't
really
meet
in
june
july
and
august
they're
really
looking
at
spring
and
fall
season,
and
if
we're
looking
at
tournament,
sports
play
they're
really
meeting
in
the
winter,
so
there
would
not
really
be
that
much
displacement
within
those
big
summer
months,
where
the
average
rate
is
really
being
driven
hard.
AH
Next
slide,
please,
this
is
really
more
of
the
important
part
of
the
study
was
to
look
at
what
business
had
been
lost.
And
again
I
want
to
reiterate:
we
had
just
the
data
from
tourism.
Kingston
did
not
include
the
hotel
data
and
potential
clients
that
did
not
call
us
just
because
they
knew
they
would
have
the
space.
If
we
look
at
the
graph
on
the
left
side,
the
blue
column
is
meetings
and
conventions
and
the
orange
column
is
sports
room
nights.
AH
And
if
we
look
at
the
first
row,
it's
confirmed
business.
So
we've
got
a
lot
of
sports
very
little
meetings
and
conventions.
Second
row
was
lost
business,
so,
as
you
can
see,
we've
actually
got
more
lost
business
than
the
number
of
sporting
tournaments
and
sporting
segment
business
that
we
took.
We've
actually
turned
very
little
sporting
business
away,
but
we're
really
getting
hit
quite
hard
of
turning
conventions
and
meetings
of
business
away.
AH
Now,
if
we
extrapolate
that
and
of
about
11
000
room
nights
that
we've
lost,
we've
calculated
that
that
would
be
about
6
900
delegates,
so
physical
people,
and
if
we
do
the
quick
math
and
look
at
it
if
we
had
gained
those
6900
people
that
had
come
to
the
city
and
conservatively
had
spent
three
hundred
dollars
for
their
stay
so
hotel,
maybe
one
or
two
nights:
food
and
beverage,
a
gift,
etc.
A
couple
of
drinks.
AH
As
I
said,
what
we've
been
doing
is
we're
taking
the
three
four
year
average
from
2019
back.
So
in
this
case
we
took
the
four
year
average
occupancy
rate
for
the
city,
which
became
our
baseline,
which
we're
measuring
everything
off,
so
that
was
63.6
at
63.3.
Excuse
me,
for
the
year
2021
we
used
the
cbre
prediction,
which
was
36
percent.
AH
AH
So
the
bottom
line,
the
orange
line,
is
if
nothing
was
happening
in
kingston
everything
stayed
the
same.
There
was
no
conference
center
and
there
was
no
hotel
added
the
gray
line
up,
above
as
if
there
was
a
conference
center
and
if
there
was
an
another
100
room
hotel
put
into
the
market-
and
we
said,
let's
say
we'll
use
2023
as
the
opening
year
of
this
conference
center
and
hotel.
AH
So
we
can
see
that
the
incremental
occupancy
of
the
city
grows
quite
steadily
after
an
opening,
so
23,
24
and
26.
So
that
could
be
extrapolated
to
26
through
30,
depending
on
when
the
conference
center
would
open,
and
obviously
these
numbers
will
move
as
as
as
further
out
they
go
because
then,
hopefully,
after
covid
will
start
renormalizing.
AH
Occupancies
and
they
might
grow
naturally
a
little
bit
as
well
next
slide,
please
so
out
of
all
this,
the
summary
of
all
this,
the
document's
much
longer
this
is
just
a
couple
of
slides
out
of
the
entire
document-
is
really
that
the
the
a
new
hotel
of
100
rooms
would
really
have
very
little
impact
on
the
hotel
community.
It
would
be
able
to
absorb
the
demand
that
we'd
be
coming
in
with
the
conference
center
as
well.
AH
It
would
add
to
the
marketability
of
the
city,
because
now
planners
would
say:
okay,
we've
got
this
great
conference
center
meeting
space
with
a
hotel
next
to
it.
On
top
of
it
right
right,
you
know
walking
distance
from
it.
Ultimately,
it'd
be
better.
If
it's
connected
to
it,
that's
what
planners
really
want
they're
looking
for
that
they've
got
plenty
of
choice,
so
we've
got
to
give
them
what
they
want.
AH
Also,
it
would
create
a
whole
new
market
for
kingston
that
kingston
is
not
going
after
presently,
just
because
you
don't
have
the
space.
So
obviously,
this
would
open
a
whole
new
kettle
of
fish
for
us
in
the
meetings
and
conference
and
events
world
that
tourism
kingston
could
go
after
presently,
the
city
does
not
have
that
capacity.
Yes,
you've
got
the
leon
center,
but
it's
an
auditorium
and
a
rink
and
a
sports
facility.
It's
really
not
made
it's
not
conducive
to
a
conference
center.
AH
Private
sector
does
get
involved
some
of
the
times,
but
most
like
most
of
the
time,
it's
really
based
on
the
multi-use
portion
of
the
project,
so
whether
it's
a
hotel,
condos
apartments,
retail
tied
to
a
convention
center,
that's
where
they
really
have
more
of
an
interest,
and
the
other
thing
that's
that's
new
that
wasn't
there
before
is
now.
You've
got
that
air
capacity
to
toronto
and
to
montreal,
which
will
definitely
help.
AH
Let's
not
forget,
though,
that
our
major
markets
are
really
toronto,
ottawa
and
montreal,
and
even
when
we're
looking
at
national
conventions,
most
of
the
memberships
of
those
conventions
are
based
in
either
of
those
two
provinces.
So
it's
more
of
a
drive
market,
but
definitely
for
delegates
coming
from
outside
of
those
two
provinces.
AH
The
air
capacity
definitely
helps
and
that's
a
great
selling
point
with
planners
as
well
next
slide,
please
so.
We've
made
a
few
additional
recommendations
within
the
document
as
well
is
really
to
get
prepared.
If,
if
ever
this
project
takes
off
and
really
to
have
tourism,
kingston
and
cap
co-chair
a
committee
of
not
only
the
tourism
industry
but
the
broader
business
community
as
well.
To
make
sure
that
this
has
ongoing
support.
AH
AH
Fill
that
demand
with
the
conference
center
and
hotel
that's
tied
to
it
and
finally
is
really
to
start
conversations
with
hotel
developers
that
might
have
interest
in
a
project
like
this
as
well,
and
I
can
assure
you
that,
even
though
covet
has
put
a
bit
of
a
damper
on
the
tourism
business,
I
can
assure
you
that
hotel
developers
are
out
there
looking
presently
to
continue
to
build,
buy
and
renovate
hotels,
because
everybody
knows
that
the
there's
a
pent-up
demand
for
travel
for
meetings,
people.
You
know,
don't
like
what
we're
doing
tonight.
AH
These
zoo
meetings
they
they're
great,
but
they
will
never
take
over
from
personal
face-to-face
meetings.
So
we're
seeing
the
research
the
data,
all
the
surveys,
are
coming
out,
saying
that
people
just
want
to
get
back
to
how
it
was
before
and
meet
in
person
still
have
this
possibility
of
doing
the
hybrid,
because
it
opens
up
a
whole
new
market
for
them,
but
generally
the
people
that
were
going
to
conferences
before
will
go
back
to
in-person
conferences
in
the
future.
AB
AG
AH
AB
AB
AH
And
I
guess
that's
that's
the
other
thing
you
know,
and
it's
funny
we're
doing
some
work
with
sherbrooke
the
city
of
sherbrooke
here
in
in
quebec
and
one
of
their
big
achilles
heels.
Is
they
built
this
great
trade
show
facility,
but
they
built
it
sort
of
not
in
the
suburbs,
but
not
anywhere
close
to
downtown,
so
they're
really
having
a
hard
time
selling
it,
so
it
was
kind
of
like
a
it
was.
It
was
a
political
move
to
put
it
in
that
new
neighborhood
at
the
time,
but
now
they're
regretting
it.
AH
They
should
have
put
it
downtown
where
all
the
action
is,
and
I
would
I
would
hesitate
to
say
that
that
is
the
same
piece
of
advice.
I
would
give
kingston
to
have
it
as
centrally
located
as
possible,
because
when
your
tourists
come
to
town,
they
want
to
see
they
want
to
see.
What's
in
town,
they
want
to
be
downtown
where
the
action
is.
Y
AH
They
see
it
as
a
as
an
upswing
to
help
them,
because
you
know
all
these
people
have
to
stay
somewhere
and
even
if
there's
a
100
room
hotel
that
won't
absorb
you
know
more
than
a
hundred
people,
so
they
would
have
to
use
other
hotels.
So
the
hotel
community
is
seeing
this
as
a
positive
lift
for
the
city
in
general.
AE
AH
Well,
I
don't
think
you'll
get
a
lot
of
interest
in
existing
hotel
owners
to
invest
in
a
conference
center
and
it's
I've
never
heard
it
done.
It's
usually
done
at
a
different
level.
Different
government
levels
participate
at
the
federal
level
at
this
provincial
level
and
at
the
municipal
level,
so
there's
a
few
ways
of
looking
at
it,
but
probably
not
krista.
AH
No
we're
not
recommending
anything
at
this
point.
It's
that
would
have
to
be
sort
of
worked
out.
It
could
be
again
could
be
given
to
a
third
party.
It
could
be
run
by
the
province.
It
could
be.
You
know
if
we
look
at
both
ottawa
and
toronto.
They're
both
run
through
provincial
crown
corporations
in
other
places,
it's
municipal
that
run
it
in
other
places,
it's
third
party,
so
all
options
are
on
the
table.
AG
AG
E
Thank
you,
mayor,
patterson
and
through
you
it
was
interesting.
Reading
the
report
I
had
two
questions
coming
out
of
it.
One
was
about
transportation
to
the
city.
I
know
your
presentation
here
just
ended
on
the
note
that
we're
gonna
have
increased
air
travel,
but
I'm
actually
interested
in
the
future
of
rail
to
kingston,
and
it's
a
potential
that
we
won't
be
a
stop
on
the
high
speed
length
that
may
or
may
not
get
built
in
about
a
decade.
I'm
wondering
if
there's
any
thinking
around
how
that
could
impact
conferences
here
in
town.
AH
Well,
I
think
you
might
not
be
on
the
stop
at
the
high
speed,
but
I
think
they'll
still
be
links
between
the
three
major
centers
into
kingston.
So
in
that
sense
the
links
will
still
be
there
and
probably
approve
and
have
less
pressure
on
them
with
the
high
speed,
that's
going
directly
from
let's
say
toronto,
montreal
or
ottawa
toronto,
so
it
might
actually
benefit
in
the
long
run.
AG
Counselor
kyle,
that's
a
great
comment,
so
the
cn
rail
obviously
tracks
competes
with
via
rail
right
now.
We
know
that,
and
it's
proposed
in
the
next
10
years
that
via
rail
will
build
its
own
track
and,
yes,
it
may
go
through
smith
falls
as
a
proposal,
but
I
just
want
to
clarify
it's
not
a
high
speed
rail.
It's
a
high
frequency
rail.
So
there's
a
really
big
definition
or
difference
there,
so
that
because
they
don't
have
to
compete
with
cn
freight
trains
anymore.
AG
The
frequency
in
which
the
rail
system
will
stop
from
toronto
to
ottawa
and
maybe
onto
montreal
corridor
will
just
mean
there'll,
be
more
frequency
of
trains,
not
faster
trains,
and
the
via
rail
train
will
still
continue.
As
john
says,
on
the
traditional
cn
tracks
that
we
see
here
in
kingston.
So
we
won't
lose
any
business.
In
fact,
we'll
probably
gain
business
because
we
don't
have
to
compete
with
limited
schedules,
because
business
travel
right
now
on
via
because
they
have
to
share
the
tracks
with
cn.
E
S
AH
Yeah
I
mean
it's,
I
think
it's
one
of
those
things
that's
still
under
development
and
and
as
usual,
the
europeans
are
putting.
You
know
a
lot
of
thought
behind
this,
but
I
think
it
would
definitely
be
a
lot
more
technological
than
the
conference
centers
and
convention
centers
we
have
today
a
lot
of
them
are
actually
trying
to
upgrade
to
have
that
those
technical
aspects
in
there
physical,
distancing,
more
light
less.
AH
AI
AI
They
do
not
see
total
virtual
meetings
as
the
future,
but
there's
no
question.
There
is
a
move
to
hybrid
meetings
where
you
have
500
to
a
thousand
in-person
delegates.
You
and
you
may
have
just
as
many
coming
in
through
a
hybrid
platform
as
well.
So
that's
that's
a
lot
of
technology
and
it's
a
lot
of
infrastructure
that
can
be
easily
implemented
into
a
new
build,
as
opposed
to
having
to
necessarily
incorporate
it
into
an
existing,
build.
F
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
mayor,
I'd,
like
to
understand
the
occupancy
percentages,
a
bit
better,
because
you
make
a
strong
case
for
the
conference
center,
but
numbers
like
79
percent
occupancy
you
made
in
the
summer
and
63
percent
during
the
year
average.
To
me.
That
would
suggest
that
you
may
not
need
100
room
hotel,
but
there's
plenty
space
there
to
absorb
people
coming
to
town
for
the
conference
center.
AH
Well,
my
comment
on
that
would
be
that
what
we're
seeing
in
the
preference
of
planners
is
that
they
want
a
hotel
in
or
on
top
or
connected
to
their
main
meeting
space
if
it's
not
in
a
hotel.
So
if
it's
in
a
conference
center,
so
having
one
that's
you
know
two
three
four
blocks
away
is
great.
You
know
it's
it's.
They
can
walk
to
it
stuff
like
that,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
they
want
hotels
that
are
tied
to
their
meeting
facilities
as
well,
at
least
for
their
own
staff.
AH
For
the
vips
for
the
board,
you
know
because
they've
got
board
meetings,
pre
and
post
they've
got
all
sorts
of
stuff,
so
it's
gotta
be
on
one.
That's
what
they're
wanting.
So
you
know
if
we're
going
to
build
from
scratch.
Maybe
it's
worth
looking
at
had
it
on
a
long
term
and
say:
okay
well,
kingston's
going
to
grow
kingston's
going
to
grow
in
popularity
anyway.
AH
We
know
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
increase
the
number
of
people
coming
to
town,
whether
it's
on
a
leisure
basis
or
whether
it's
on
a
convention
and
meetings
basis
or
whether
it's
a
sports
tournament
basis.
So
we
might
as
well
look
to
the
future
and
plan
ahead,
and
we
think
that
a
hundred
room
hotel
is
is
that
sweet
spot
builders
now
are
looking
at
hotels
between
you
know:
90
to
150
rooms.
AH
Those
are
the
most
profitable
hotels
nobody's
going
around
building
1000
room
hotels
anymore,
unless
you're
in
las
vegas,
and
even
then
that
they've
been
slowed
down.
So
I
think
the
100
room
and
it
could
be
125,
it
could
be
95.
It's
kind
of
the
sweet
spot
of
what
people
are
building
these
days,
so
it
would
fit
prop
would
fit
really
nicely
on
a
facility
the
size
that
kingston's
looking
at
it
would
just
be
like
a
perfect
fit.
F
AH
Yeah
there's
some
in
in
the
states
that
have
been
able
to
do
that
here
in
canada.
I'm
thinking
calgary
is
a
good
example.
We've
got
hotels
at
either
end
of
the
conference
center
conference,
center's
owned
by
the
city
and
run
by
the
city,
but
you've
got
a
marriott.
I
believe
I
want
to
say
a
height,
but
I
don't
think
it's
at
either
end
of
the
building
and
it's
all
connected,
so
they
they
work
in
tandem,
constantly
trying
to
sell
it
as
a
package
deal.
I
think.
C
There
was,
I
think,
an
overly
ambitious
group
that
wanted
a
convention
center
in
kingston
and
kingston
we're
interesting
because
we're
socially
progressive
and
fiscally
conservative.
I
think,
and
so
what
happened
is
that
when
they
looked
at
like-sized
cities
and
how
they,
whether
they
were
successful
or
not
too
often,
they
found
out
that
it
was
a
drain
for
the
municipality
now.
C
C
AH
Yeah
I'll
I'll
say
a
few
words
and
I'll.
Let
pat
talk
about
the
ontario
examples,
because
pat
actually
built
and
ran
the
one
in
ottawa
for
for
quite
a
few
years,
but
I
would
say
that
the
onus
has
really
placed
on
the
management
of
those
facilities
to
make
sure
that
they're
full
and
that
they're
running
properly
and
that
they're
running.
AH
You
know
like
a
swiss
watch
and-
and
there
are
examples
of
those
that
that
are
worked
and
and
sold
like
that
and
operated
like
that,
and
they
are
breaking
even
or
even
turning
a
profit.
So
they're,
not
all
money
losers
and
I
and
I
think,
being
able
to
build
it
from
scratch.
You
can
really
put
all
the
different
steps
in
and
the
operational
procedures
before
the
things
even
up
to
make
sure
that
down
the
line,
it
doesn't
become
a
strain
on
the
city,
but
no
matter
how
you
look
at
it.
AH
A
convention
center
in
any
city,
whether
it's
toronto
or
whether
it's
halifax
or
or
tofino,
is
that
they
are
an
engine
for
economic
development,
so
they
bring
in
massive
dollars
into
a
city.
So,
yes,
maybe
a
city
will
have
to
pay
certain
operational
costs
to
run
the
place,
but
the
backside
of
it
is
that
there's
so
much.
You
know
great
economic
benefit
coming
into
a
city
and
creating
more
jobs,
creating
new
businesses,
mostly
small
and
medium-sized
businesses,
by
the
way
which
is
fantastic.
AI
Well,
you
know
the
traditional
convention
center
model
is
the
one
that
john
has
just
described
over
the
over
decades.
The
idea
was
a
city
or
a
province
or
a
state,
invest
in
a
new
convention
center
for
the
purpose
of,
as
john
said,
bringing
in
massive
numbers
of
delegates
who
spend
a
lot
of
money
within
the
within
the
community
and
that
the
convention
center
will
be
primarily
focused
on
conventions
and
trade.
Show
that'll,
be
the
primary
mandate
and.
AI
In
all
probability
may
run
operating
losses
that
would
be
covered
by
the
public
entity
that
owns
them
for
decades.
That
was
the
model
and
communities
traded
off.
The
economic
benefits
for
the
fact
that
they'd
have
to
invest
in
the
property
and
and
operating
losses
would
have
to
be
covered
over
the
last
decade.
AI
Public
ownership
of
convention
centers
have
many
of
them
have
said:
hey
wait
a
minute.
We
don't
think
you
should
be
operating
at
a
loss.
We
don't
think
you
need
to,
and
frankly
we're
not
prepared
to
cover
operating
losses
any
longer
and
you'll
find
a
number
of
convention
centers
today
and
that
have
determined
ways
simply
by
broadening
their
business
mix.
AI
In
order
to
to
at
least
break
even
and
perhaps
turn
a
profit,
toronto
and
ottawa
convention,
centers
are
good
examples
of
publicly
owned
convention,
centers,
they're,
crowned
corporations
of
the
province.
Their
mandate
is
to
not
lose
money
and
they
don't
both
centers
turn
a
tidy
profit
and
that
money
is,
for
the
most
part,
then
reinvested
back
in
the
building
in
terms
of
capital
requirements
refurbishments
that
sort
of
thing
on
an
ongoing
basis.
So
I
think
you
know
today
the
notion
that
a
convention
center
has
to
be
a
loss.
AI
AH
A
H
Thank
you,
your
worship.
My
question
was
similar
to
counselor
niels
and
that
I
did
want
to
ask
mr
kelly
and
mr
dunn,
because
of
your
wealth
of
experience
out
there
with
all
other
conference
centers
like
if
we
did
go
forward
any
idea
with
something
that
posing
here
like
have
some
residential
in
the
hotel.
You
know
any
idea
what
a
city
contribution
might
look
like
to
the
construction
like.
H
AH
I
I
wouldn't
want
to
hazard
a
guest
that
that's
dangerous
territory.
It
all
depends
on
the
type
of
building
as
well
and
what
the
what
the
arrangements
are
with
the
private.
If
there
is
private
investors,
the
type
of
building,
is
it
a
leeds
building?
Is
it
not
so
I
I
wouldn't
venture,
I
guess,
but
they're
not
cheap.
I
can
say
that
I
mean
they.
You
know
they
come
with
a
hefty
price
tag.
AH
So
definitely
the
recommendation
is
to
to
go
and
find
partners
both
at
the
provincial
and
the
federal
level
for
sure
to
do
this.
But
I
can
say
one
thing:
is
that
kingston's
in
a
great
location,
you're
at
the
epicenter
of
the
three
biggest
markets
in
in
the
country
where
most
of
the
business
is
happening
and
post-pandemic
people
are
looking
for
alternatives
to
these
major
centers,
so
you're
in
that
goldilocks
location,
that's
for
sure
and
you're
a
beautiful
city.
You've
got
a
lot
to
offer.
V
V
Did
you
look
at
any
of
that
in
your
proposal,
because
the
idea
of
a
land
swap
or
giving
away
free
land
and
giving
the
college
an
opportunity
to
leverage
that
to
sell
it's?
It's
a
it's
a
mods
game.
I
I
don't
approve
of,
but
if
you
wanted
something
like
this
done,
I
think
you
need
some
investment
that
is
outside
from
the
city
of
kingston
and
the
taxpayers
can
say
we're
already
sitting
at
a
400
million
dollar
debt,
and
I
can't
see
this
also
being
layered
on
to
taxpayers.
AH
Well,
we,
you
know,
I
would
say
that
there's
a
multitude
of
of
ways
to
skin
this
cat,
the
traditional
way
where
we
go
to
the
three
different
types
of
governments
and
everybody
puts
in
their
share
another
one
is
private
partners
with
the
city
and
or
the
province
and,
as
you
say,
another
one
is
fully
private.
I
I
you
know
I
I
would
say
that
there's
so
many
ways
to
look
at
this,
that
no,
we
we
didn't
sort
of
pick
one,
because
the
options
are
fully
open.
AH
V
AJ
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
now
through
you,
so
council
chapelle.
I
I
think
you
know
you
you're
asking
a
very
good
question,
and
this
is
definitely
part
of
the
next
steps
and
information
that
we
would
bring
back
to
city
council
in
terms
of
what
are
the
options
as
far
as
making
this
happen
and
the
feasibility
and
provide
counsel
with
those
options
and
also
some
recommendations.
AJ
V
And
so,
if
we
are
going
to
move
forward
with
something
like
this,
I
think
we
need
to
think
outside
of
the
box,
because
I
don't
want
the
taxpayers
of
kingston
to
bear
the
brunt
of
the
cost
of
this
there's
already
enough,
and
I
can't
see
the
province
wanting
to
pitch
in
considering
the
amount
of
money
that
you
gave
for
the
bridge.
I
can't
see
the
feds
but
the
tap's
running
dry.
We
need
to
be
creative,
and
so
I
do
implore.
A
A
A
H
Thank
your
worship
through
you
at
question
system.
So
when
I
read
the
report
I
was
happy
to
see
there
were
no
bypass
events
in
2021
at
ravens
view,
but
it
did
say
that
26
000
cubic
metric
cubic
meters
of
water
of
sewage
was
released
into
lake
ontario
through
the
collection
system.
So
I
just
wondered
if
staff
could
say
could
just
say
like
what?
H
Good
evening
and
thank
you
for
your
worship,
thank
you
for
the
question
councillaros
the
bypass
that
occurred
well.
First
of
all,
let
me
just
start
off
with
the
wastewater
collection
system
is
a
combination
of
sewer,
laterals
gravity,
pipes,
mains
force,
mains,
combined,
sewer
overflow
tanks,
pumping
stations,
so
all
of
that
underground
infrastructure
that
is
collecting
sewage
from
homes
and
businesses,
and
then
it
is
being
conveyed
to
the
wastewater
treatment
plants.
H
So
you're
correct.
There
were
no
bypass
events
at
the
wastewater
treatment
plants,
but
we
did
have
overflows
in
the
collection
system,
so
the
collection
system
is
designed
that
if
it
is
overloaded
with
sewage
and
storm
water
and
and
remember
that
there
are
combined
sanitary
storm
sewers
in
the
city,
if
it
is
overloaded,
it
is
designed
to
to
discharge
so
that
it's
not
backing
up
homes
or
businesses
in
the
in
the
basement.
H
So
the
whole
system,
from
your
home,
the
collection
system,
that's
conveying
all
of
the
waste
water
to
the
treatment
plants
for
treatment
and
then
and
then
out,
fall
to
the
lake.
It
is
designed
so
that
it's
overloaded
it
will
it
it
will
overflow
and
discharge
it
practically.
So
we
didn't
have
any
bypasses
at
the
wastewater
treatment
plants,
but
we
did
in
the
collection
system.
AB
H
C
H
H
Church,
so
through
your
worship,
and
thank
you
for
the
question
comfortability,
the
the
chemicals
would
be
fairly
comparable
as
a
coagulant,
which
is
just
aiding
in
the
collection
of
any
of
the
solids
that
are
there
so
that
they
can
be
removed
effectively,
so
that
the
the
outfall
that
is
going
out
to
the
lake
is
clear
and
and
free
of
any
of
those
contaminants.
So
we
are
grabbing
the
solids
and
making
it
into
a
biosolid,
so
the
the
chemicals
being
used
would
be
comparable
from
an
environmental
for
perspective.
H
Some
of
them
are
more
harmful
to
employees.
I'm
not
able
to.
I
don't,
have
the
msd
issues
in
front
of
me
about
the
material
handling
from
a
safety
perspective,
but
from
an
environmental
perspective
they
would
be
they
are.
They
are
generally
acceptable,
chemicals
that
are
being
used
at
a
wastewater
treatment
plant
and,
of
course,
we
would
have
to
be
going
through
for
that
that
designing
use
would
have
to
be
through
the
ministry
of
the
environment
and
in
conservation
and
park.
F
A
H
Thank
you,
your
worship.
Through
you,
a
question
to
staff,
I
received
an
email
from
the
public
and
maybe
all
of
us
received
the
same
question,
but
it
was
that
since
we
we
are
going
to
terminate
the
harmari
software
contract
as
of
march
23rd,
then
the
question
is:
would
the
city
be
able
to
ask
harmari
to
delete
the
data
it
did
over
the
last
year
that
we
had
the
contract?
Thank
you
this
morning.
K
L
L
It's
essentially
saying
that
we
don't
really
need
this
agreement
anymore,
that
the
number
of
short-term
rental
providers
is
much
lower
at
around
143
and
that
city
staff
can
do
the
work
that
is
needed
to
collect
the
mat
tax
and
so
on.
Just
as
it
all
says
in
the
report.
The
obvious
question
to
me,
which
is
not
in
the
report-
and
this
is
a
question
to
staff-
is
so.
Does
this
mean
that
city
staff
will
be
writing
a
similar
software
program,
because
I
believe
this
one
was
proprietary
to
harmari.
L
Are
we
writing
another
software
program
that
will
do
the
same
thing?
Have
we
learned
from
the
last
year
and
and
and
that
you
know
the
pro
process
we
went
through?
Have
we
learned
all
we
need
to
know
to
be
able
to
do
it
in-house?
I
mean
this
is
all
great
news
if
it's
true,
but
I'd
just
like
to
hear
from
staff
about
what
this
means
and
who
will
be
taking
over
from
hamare.
AK
Thank
you,
and
through
you
I'll,
certainly
do
my
best
to
address
the
majority
of
this,
but
mr
campo
might
have
some
additional
details
so
to
your
point,
counselor
we're
not
going
to
be
writing
our
own
scripting
associated
with
the
the
technology
that
was
offered
by
hamari
in
the
short
term.
I
think
what
we're
looking
at
right
now
is
evaluating
our
options
with
respect
to
the
long-term
solution.
AK
AL
AL
AL
I
just
wanted
to
reintegrate
the
fact
that
when
we
brought
this
report
to
council
in
december
that
we
were
not
just
basing
enforcement
through
hermari's
platform
solely,
we
did
have
that
discussion
that
we
were
using
that
as
a
tool
throughout
multiple
other
tools
in
a
way
to
take
a
broader
approach
at
the
market
and
and
look
at
next
steps.
So
I
just
wanted
to
reintegrate
the
fact
that
it
wasn't
solely
based
on
hamari.
L
L
That
tool
is
essentially
no
longer
needed.
It's
it's.
It's
unnecessary,
given
the
low
number
of
operators
and
the
the
much
lower
workload
than
anticipated,
based
on
the
initial
numbers,
also
the
return
from
that
investment.
If
you
wish
in
the
19
000
for
the
hamari
software,
I
mean
the
amount
of
map
tax
that
was
collected
is
lower
than
that
amount,
so
we're
actually
losing
money
on
on
that
alone.
AL
Thank
you,
and
through
you,
I
may
defer
to
the
city
treasurer
to
speak
on
the
mat
collection
portion,
but
in
terms
of
the
the
initial
numbers,
you're
you're,
absolutely
right,
councillor
stroud
in
terms
of
what
we've
seen
this
past
year,
the
bylaw
took
effect
on
june
1st,
so
obviously
we're
here
within
the
one
year
period
of
of
what
we
initially
wanted
to
report
due
to
the
fact
that
we
feel
comfortable
at
this
time,
based
on
the
numbers.
Now
that
this
can
be
an
approach
we
look
at
in-house
again.
AL
There
was
many
factors
that
played
into
the
potential
decrease
that
we've
seen
throughout
this
year.
Kovit
again,
like
I
mentioned
earlier,
played
a
part
in
this.
Many
short-term
rentals
and
just
where
we
were
at
for
the
state
of
the
pandemic
was
in
stage
two.
You
were
not
allowed
to
rent
out
your
short-term
rental
unless
it
was
through
emergency
housing.
AL
We
did
see
a
conversion
from
the
short-term
market
into
the
long-term
market
and
through
that
143
addresses
that
were
confirmed
after
staff
and
and
likewise
we
were
able
to
to
look
at
the
numbers
provided
by
hamari.
In
that
platform,
we
were
able
to
see
what
I
find
to
be.
You
know
a
very
good
self-compliance
number
to
the
fact
that
97
applications
were
submitted
throughout
the
six-month
period
to
the
city
of
kingston.
AL
L
L
As
for
the
dates
involved
and-
and
that's
not
the
same,
it
doesn't
coincide
with
the
dates
of
the
of
the
final
report
of
the
after
the
year,
which
will
be
at
the
end
of
q2,
which
is
in
june
right
june
of
2022,
so
that
will
presumably
have
even
more
information
in
it.
I
think
I
think
it's
important.
I'm
just
going
to
say
this
as
a
comment.
L
So
the
question
really,
the
only
question
that
remains
in
my
mind,
is
because
the
original
direction
from
the
committee
and
ratified
by
council
was
to
have
this
report
after
a
year
sort
of
a
you
know
an
evaluation
of
how
the
program
is
going
that'll
be
coming
in
june.
What
would
be
what
would
happen
after
that,
like?
How
would
we
do
taxes
on
the
number
of?
L
AK
Yeah,
thank
you
interior
and
it's
a
good
question.
I
I
can't
say
that
we
have
fully
all
of
the
answers,
because
we
are
working
on
that
to
be
able
to
present
at
administrative
policies
in
june
as
the
long-term
solution.
What
we're
confident
in
is
for
for
right
now
for
the
months
between
now
and
june,
that
we
can
handle
it
from
a
staff
perspective.
AK
But
certainly
what
isn't
accounted
for
is
the
fact
that
we
didn't
have
the
staff
capacity
or
the
or
the
technology
to
set
up
the
portal
that
was
helpful
to
us
and
some
of
that
technology.
We
just
didn't
have
the
in-house
capacity.
So
one
of
the
great
things
that
has
changed
since
we
even
looked
at
this
a
year
ago
and
council
may
remember
this
from
our
budget
conversations-
is
that
we
have
the
ability
to
consolidate
the
parking
enforcement
team
with
the
overall
enforcement
team
that
has
resided
under
community
services
for
a
period
of
time.
AK
So
we
now
have
a
much
greater
number
of
enforcement
staff
than
the
city's
ever
had
before
working
as
a
consolidated
team,
so
we're
much
better
resourced.
On
that
front,
plus
we've
been
fortunate
to
be
able
to,
through
some
good
budgeting,
add
some
additional
licensing
agents
to
the
group.
So
we
have
greater
staff
capacity
now
than
we
did
even
a
year
ago
in
a
better
integrated
program
for
how
we're
going
to
be
dealing
with
enforcement.
AK
So
I
think
some
of
those
factors
are
helping
us
to
feel
more
confident
of
being
able
to
facilitate
some
pieces
in-house,
as
well
as
some
additional
capacity
within
the
financial
services
team
and
opportunities
for
online
payment
for
portal
that
just
didn't
exist
even
a
year
ago.
The
technology
is
moving
that
fast.
So
there's
a
number
of
factors
that
have
changed.
That's
positioning
us
better,
but
we
will
be
able
to
report
to
you
in
a
much
more
fulsome
manner
at
that
geo
report
when
it
goes
to
administrative
policies.
U
D
Thank
you,
you're,
worshiping
through
you,
I'm
I'm
very
glad
to
see.
I
guess
this
as
the
end
result.
I
guess
my
frustration
and
the
frustration
of
many
str
hosts
out
there
who
were
all
independent
business
owners
in
a
sense
and
I've
never
seen
a
group
of
people
organized
the
way
they
did
over.
This
is
that
there
was.
You
know
apparently
600
this
huge
issue,
and
it
seems
we
created
a
solution
to
a
problem.
D
We
didn't
really
have
so
whether
kovit
actually
eliminated
a
bunch
of
these
str
hosts
or
they
just
went-
I'm
not
dealing
with
a
third
party
taking
all
my
data
and
moved
to
longer
term
hosts
in
the
grand
scheme
of
things.
This
was
the
solution
that
most
of
them
asked
for.
So
I
guess
the
frustration
is
more.
Why
did
we?
D
Why
did
we
take
the
long
way
to
get
here
and
as
as
a
city,
are
there
lessons
learned
in
this
about
consulting
with
community
groups
and
when
we're
going
to
bring
in
legislation
or
different
types
of
rules
for
the
groups
that
we
should
really
be
listening
to
the
groups
that
we're
actually
trying
to
regulate,
because
in
the
grand
scheme
of
things
I
mean,
we've
come
full
circle
on
this
I
know
we
didn't
make
the
money
back
on
the
hamari
contract.
I
was
never
in
favor
of
of
that
contract.
In
the
first
place,
that's
no
secret.
D
My
bigger
frustration
is
how
much
staff
time
did
we
waste
on
this?
How
much
counselor
time?
How
many
meetings
did
we
have
this?
In
the
seven
years
that
I've
been
on
council
has
been
one
of
the
most
contentious
files
I've
ever
worked
on
and
in
the
end
we
got
to
the
result
that
most
of
the
hosts
were
simply
asking
for
from
the
beginning,
which
was
that
the
city
would
do
it,
so
I'm
fine
with
if
we've
made
mistakes
that
we
learn
from
them.
So
I
guess
my
question
is
going
forward.
D
Can
we
do
better
with
our
consultation
and
listening
to
the
groups
that
come
to
us
and
in
the
grand
scheme
of
things
I
mean
really
we
have
to
you
know
I
guess
do
better
in
the
first
place.
So
is.
Is
this
something
where
have
we
have?
We
learned
a
lesson
from
this
approach
going
forward
so
that
in
the
future,
we're
able
to
better
ourselves.
AL
Thank
you
for
the
question
councillor
boehm
and
through
you
and
commissioner,
you
may
want
to
add
to
this,
but
absolutely
staff
are
always
taking
feedback
taking
different
approaches.
As
you
know,
the
times
change
and-
and
we
were
cognizant
of
the
fact
that
when
we
initially
went,
we
initially
counselor
rome,
you
probably
remember-
we
had
counsel
host
compliance.
AL
The
next
step
is
that
we
had
to
form
those
agreements
and
there
was
a
there's
the
whole
piece
about.
You
know
the
privacy.
We
had
to
make
sure
that
the
data
was,
you
know
sound
and
that
there
was
there
was
no
issues
with
the
data
that
was
being
provided
by
the
city
and,
and
those
were
the
next
steps.
On
top
of
the
fact
that
you
know
we
did
see
a
decrease
whether
whatever
way
we
want
to
look
at
it
there.
AL
There
is
that
aspect
as
well
that
a
lot
of
the
short-term
market
converted
into
the
long-term
market.
You
know
that
was
that
was
not
a
goal,
but
that
was
something
that
we
wanted
to
see
more
str's
convert
into
a
potential
long-term
market.
So
there
was
some,
in
my
mind
from
an
enforcement
line
pros
to
to
what
we've
seen.
But
absolutely.
If
we
take
any
feedback
going
forward
into
the
june
report,
we
would
have
that
consolidation
or
that
communication
with
the
with
working
groups
with
the
host
to
look
at
that
collaborative
approach.
AL
But
we
also
were
really
were
really
in
communication
with
the
hosts
where
they
wanted
to
just
see
airbnb
directly,
and
we
we
knew
that
there
was
more
platforms
than
just
airbnb
solely
and
with
that
with
also
the
fact
that
there
was
600
initial
str's.
Like
commissioner
andy
said,
we
didn't
have
the
capacity
to
be
able
to
look
at
that
more
indepthly
and
go
through
that
approach.
AL
D
Perfect
yeah,
thank
you
that
no,
that
makes
sense-
and
I
I
think
I
completely
agree
the
harmonization
of
the
the
parking
in
the
bylaw
I
think
is-
is
going
to
free
up
a
lot
of
that
capacity.
I
think
that
was
a
great
move
from
the
organizational
perspective
I
I
guess
my
final
question
would
be
then,
and
I
think
he
touched
on
this.
There
was-
and
I
believe,
counselor
stroud
was
heading
down
this
line
of
thought
as
well.
D
As
you
know,
with
the
lessons
learned
with
potential
that
you
know,
maybe
we
won't
hit
600
again,
but
maybe
we
land
somewhere
in
the
three
or
400
range
is,
is
the
intention
then
to
because
I
would
fully
support
this,
build
the
capacity
in-house
to
be
able
to
manage
this
going
forward
so
that
we
don't
because
the
biggest
most
contentious
issue
was
the
fact
that
it
was
a
third
party.
People
are
comfortable
with
the
city
of
kingston.
They
have
an
element
of
trust
with
the
city
of
kingston.
D
AL
Thank
you
and
through
you,
your
worship,
yes,
that
would
be
the
plan,
is
to
adapt
to
work
out
for
an
in-house
process
and
be
able
to
be
build
our
resources
up
so
that
we
could
effectively
enforce
and
collect
the
municipal
accommodation
tax
as
an
in-house
process,
but
you're
absolutely
right.
Counselor
boom.
AL
Thank
you
and
three
year
you
you,
your
worship,
unfortunately
counselor
chappelle.
I
can't
give
you
a
firm
answer
on
what
platforms
they
are
at
this
time.
It
is
something
that
I
can
come
back
with
for
an
answer,
but
I'm
not
exactly
sure
if
we
would
be
able
to
get
that
information
at
this
time
from
primary,
but
it
is
something
that
I
can
look
into
to
to
get
back
to
you
guys
on.
V
Okay
well
well,
following
up
on
what
counselor
bone
was
saying,
you
know
I
was
very
adamant
that
I
didn't
think
the
hamari
project
would
work,
and
so
it's
I'm
pleased
to
see
that
staff
has
come
to
this
realization
as
well,
and
I
do
think
that
the
simple
approach-
hopefully
you've
had
conversations
with
airbnb
by
this
time.
So
we
have
some
information
in
june.
Has
there
been
any
further
consultation
with
airbnb?
Is
there
something
that
can
happen
with
them?
Should
we
choose
to
go
down
that
road.
AL
Thank
you,
and
through
your
worship,
great
question.
Counselor
chappelle.
We
initially
had
our
conversations
with
airbnb,
where
they're
they
had
an
impact
to
fourth
covet,
as
well
with
a
lot
of
transition
that
happened
through
airbnb
with
their
staffing,
but
we
had
had
conversations
where
there
is
an
appetite
for
airbnb
to
potentially
come
back
to
kingston
to
to
relook
at
that
conversation.
AL
V
Okay,
well
I'd
like
to-
I
guess
I'll,
just
summarize
that
mr
carpo,
I
really
appreciate
this,
the
candor
of
our
conversation
and
and
this
report.
I
do
think
that
there
is
room
to
have
a
citizen-based
solution
that
works
collaboratively
with
the
city,
and
I
certainly
think
by
having
seen
this
outcome,
that
the
appetite
for
a
further
collaboration
is
certainly
going
to
be
something
welcomed
by
the
str
community
in
kingston.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
report
this
evening.
AB
Yes,
thank
you
mayor
patterson,
just
want
to
thank
my
two
former
colleagues
there.
Just
before
me,
I
mean
councilor,
chappelle
and
baumk.
I
think
we
echo
the
appreciation
that
we've
come
to
this
point
and
we'll
find
a
maiden
kingston
solution
that
will
honor
and
respect
a
very
important
part
of
our
tourism
and
hospitality
industry.
AB
So
I
just
wanted
to
I
get
confused
sometimes
by
the
revenue
stream
of
matt,
and
I
know
that
the
hotels
provide
a
revenue
stream
to
king
cap
as
well,
and
there
will
be
a
revenue
stream
for
short-term
rentals.
Is
that
correct?
And
so
we're
trying
to
capture
that
revenue
stream
efficiently
efficiently,
why
wouldn't
it
be
a
similar
type
of
revenue
stream?
AB
AK
Yeah
for
sure,
so,
on
the
difficulty
side,
I
think
the
difference
with
the
mac
collection-
that's
happening
with
the
formal
hotels,
motels
operators
that
are
that
are
considered
differently
than
than
strs
because
of
their
makeup
they're
doing
their
reconciliation
directly
with
cap
they
have
a
payment
schedule,
they're
able
to
run
the
revenue
reports
that
that
generate
what
the
automatic
four
percent
is.
So
that
system
is,
you
know,
has
been,
has
been
going
for
a
while.
What's
different
with
the
str's.
AK
Is
that
that's
individual
map
remittance,
so
our
revenues?
I
think
they
will
be
up
from
where
they
are
right
now
by
the
end
of
2022,
because
we
still
have
several
quarters
of
payments
to
catch
up
on.
So
it
is
early
days
and
as
mr
campo
indicated,
we
do
have
a
number
of
applications
that
have
been
filed,
there's
only
about
50
percent
of
those
that
have
actually
been
issued
as
licenses.
The
rest
are
in
progress
right
now,
so
any
of
those
licensees
that
are
in
progress.
AK
We
wouldn't
have
collected
that
for
those
individual
businesses
as
well.
So
we'll
see
that,
coming
in
by
the
end
of
the
year,
the
the
difficulty
was
just
the
sheer
number
of
having
to
facilitate
that
number
of
payments
and
having
the
small
staff
in
financial
services
being
able
to
do
it.
When
we
were
looking
at,
you
know
600
and
doing
that
on
a
quarterly
basis.
AK
So
four
times
a
year
times,
600
now
that
it's
been
greatly
reduced
and
we've
we've
been
going
through
a
process
of
looking
at
how
we
can
facilitate
those
payments
through
financial
services
directly
or
through
the
payment
center,
which
has
been
quite
convenient
for
a
number
of
operators.
It's
just
been
more
simplistic
and
the
overall
volume
is
lower
and
much
more,
you
know
able
for
for
stock
to
handle
at
the
stopping
level
that
we're
at
plus
we've
seen
some
advances
in
technology
too,
and
the
payment
options.
AK
So
all
those
things
together
are
you
know
where
we're
at,
but
there
is
a
bit
of
a
difference
just
in
getting
the
startup
going
with
new
operators
getting
used
to
paying
that
quarterly
and
knowing
the
four
percent
of
what
their
total
night
days
are.
It's
just.
It's
just
an
additional
element
of
their
business
that
they're
getting
used
to.
I
think
as
well
too.
AB
A
There's
no
further
discussion,
we'll
call
the
vote
on
clause
2.,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
good,
okay,
so
it's
10
54.,
so
we
will
recess
I'll
look
for
a
motion
to
recess
until
6
pm
tomorrow,
where
we
will
pick
up
with
it
for
number
26..
Can
I
have
a
mover
in
a
second
if
that
moved
by
cancer
hills
council
deal
all
those
in
favor
closed
and
we
are
firstly,
recessed
we'll
see
you
at
6
pm
tomorrow.