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City Council meeting from May 12, 2022. For the full meeting agenda visit https://bit.ly/3LaMEeL
B
B
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
We
will
next
move
to
the
approval
of
the
addeds.
We
have
two
sets
of
addeds
which
we'll
look
to
approve
together
and
those
ad
is
have
additional
delegations
and
some
communications
can.
I
have
a
mover
and
a
second
or
for
the
outer
space
move
by
cancer
hill.
Second,
by
accounts
for
chappelle,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
carried.
A
Okay,
seeing
none-
we
have
no
presentations
this
evening,
so
we
will
move
right
to
delegations.
We
have
a
number
of
delegations
on
this
evening.
So
first
up
we
will
invite
justine
mcizek
to
appear
before
council
to
speak
to
the
new
motions
with
respect
to
the
integrated
care
hub,
encampment
and
bell
park.
Just
a
reminder
to
all
our
delegations
that
you
have
five
minutes
and
then
we
will
open
it
up
to
questions
from
members
of
council.
Miss
mcausick
welcome
and
you
have
the
floor.
E
Good
evening,
mayor,
patterson
and
council,
I
want
to
start
off
by
thanking
everyone
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
speak
on
behalf
of
people
that
I
love
and
care
about
who
are
living
independently
within
the
vicinity
of
the
integrated
care
hub
myself
and
others
who
have
been
working.
The
front
lines
for
the
past
decade
have
witnessed
firsthand
the
devastating
impacts
of
the
drug
poisoning
and
housing
crisis
that
has
destroyed
the
lives
of
our
unhoused
neighbors.
E
E
The
people
who
live
independently
within
the
vicinity
of
the
isd
do
so
because
they
have
access
to
basic
human
essentials,
such
as
food,
bathroom
facilities,
showers
and
community,
while
meeting
some
of
their
basic
needs.
They
also
have
access
to
essential
care
and
safe
consumption
support,
as
they
maintain
some
independence
in
their
own
personal
space.
E
Mainly,
however,
the
people
who
live
independently
within
the
vicinity
of
the
ich
do
so
because
of
the
valid
fear
and
imminent
risk
of
death
that
they
are
genuinely
facing.
What
I
see
just
beyond
the
fence
line
is
a
village
of
people
who
are
accepting
of
each
other.
Despite
their
struggles,
I
see
people
who
have
committed
to
caring
for
each
other
and
have
continued
to
uphold
these
commitments.
E
We
as
a
community,
however,
have
fallen
short
in
the
commitments
we
have
made
to
improve
housing
and
equality.
The
housing
we
have
managed
to
provide
if
we've
been
able
to
ride
any
at
all,
is
less
than
subpar
motel
rooms
with
bed
bugs
and
cockroaches
shared
accommodations
that
have
been
taken
over
with
drug
dealers
and
violence,
crippling
isolation,
death
by
overdose,
because
no
one
is
paying
attention.
E
This
is
the
housing
that
is
available
to
people
that
use
substances.
Nobody
understands
the
struggle
of
communal
living
unless
they've
experienced
it
firsthand.
The
winters
are
long.
Spaces
are
crowded
and
stressful
for
people
for
some
people
maintaining
that
independence,
while
remaining
a
part
of
a
community
in
frigid
conditions,
is
the
only
option
they
have
to
maintain
their
sanity.
E
E
E
E
The
space
people
are
using
now
allows
us
early
intervention
to
emergency
support.
People
don't
want
to
die
by
toxic
supply.
I
hope
that
the
value
of
people's
lives
has
not
become
lost
on
us
all.
I
asked
this
council
on
this
night
to
show
the
most
vulnerable
population
in
the
community
that
they
matter.
I
ask
that
we
have
this
eviction
paused
until
further
consultation
with
our
unhoused
neighbor
and
adequate
housing
for
those
that
use
substances
as
available.
E
E
F
E
Many
especially
as
the
weather
gets
warmer
and
people
are
trying
to
obtain
personal
space
and
keep
their
belongings
safe
and
things
like
that.
Yes,
we
have
responded
to
quite
a
few
overdoses
within
the
vicinity
of
the
ich
and
under
cts
protocol,
and
with
our
exemption
too,
we
are
to
respond
to
overdoses
within
the
cts
or
within
the
vicinity
of
the
cts.
E
Now
you
go
what
seems
very
close
to
the
clubhouse
just
down
the
road,
like
I
said
when
somebody
is
lacking
oxygen
to
the
brain
like
every
moment
is
detrimental
and
it's
a
really
scary
situation
to
go
down
there
and
not
know
kind
of
what
you're
coming
into,
because
the
reality
is.
We
could
be
potentially
finding
a
body,
and
that's
probably
one
of
our
biggest
fears.
So
but
that's
just
not
that's
not
exceptional
to
this
neighborhood
in
particular,
I've
responded
to
overdoses
in
stairwells,
downtown
in
gymnasiums
in
the
back
of
people's
cars.
E
E
H
Thank
you,
mary
patterson,
and
thank
you
for
speaking
to
us
tonight.
The
question
I
had
and
is
related
to
you
mentioned
that
we
can
do
far
better
and
I
was
wondering
what
maybe
you
can
give
us
a
couple
of
examples
with
that.
What's
that
looks
like
from
your
view
and
how
we
can
hear
from
you
that
way.
Thank
you.
E
That's
a
fantastic
question:
we
can
do
far
better,
especially
when
it
comes
to
housing,
people
with
a
substance
use
disorder
that
we've
just
been
discriminating
against
for
far
too
long.
Unfortunately,
we're
in
a
position
now
where
we
house
people
generally
they're
housed
and
it
becomes
quite
isolating
for
them
and
if
they
have
a
substance,
use
disorder,
they're
at
risk
of
overdose,
especially
being
alone.
E
So
we
really
need
to
look
at
what
adequate
housing
means
for
people
that
use
substances,
and
we
should
be
implementing
a
full
harm
reduction
philosophy
in
buildings
for
people
so
having
overdose
prevention
workers
on
site
having
meal
programs
ensuring
that
naloxone
is
available
and
supplies
to
everybody,
helping
with
some
of
the
hoarding
issues
that
come
into
play
for
people
that
are
struggling
with
their
mental
health
and
substance
use
disorder.
There's
programs
that
have
that
have
been
implemented
across
this
country
that
have
helped
their
housing
issue.
E
E
I
J
E
How
I
see
it
happening
is,
unfortunately,
people
want
to.
You
know,
maintain
that
personal
space
and-
and
I
see
people
moving
to
different
locations
further
into
the
woods.
I
I
actually,
this
isn't
probably
a
prediction:
it's
probably
a
guarantee
that
we
would
unfortunately
start
pulling
bodies
out
of
the
woods
due
to
toxic
overdoses
and
things
like
that
people
will
start
you'll,
see
people
start
to
flood
as
winter
comes
vacant.
Stairwells
bank
vestibules
things
like
that
right.
E
If
people
don't
have
like
some
sense
of
community
either,
we
see
their
health
deteriorate
substantially
as
well
too.
So
I
believe
that
people
will
die
at
the
cost
of
these
evictions
unless
we
can
come
up
with
substantial,
substantial,
adequate
housing
in
the
meantime,
we're
taking
a
great
risk
in
regards
to
people's
lives
and
their
health
conditions.
It'll
also
keep
them
very
disconnected,
and
we
need
to
keep
this
population
attached,
especially
to
health
care
services
that
they
need
greatly.
So
so
we
we
would
have
a
big
mess
on
our
hands.
A
E
That's
the
overall
goal
for
us,
those
that
are
advocates
that
work
with
people
that
use
substances.
We
know
that
decriminalization
a
paired
with
safe
supply
is
the
only
solution
to
this
drug
poisoning
crisis,
and
I
just
need
to
make
it
very
clear
that,
like
the
drug
poisoning
crisis
that
we're
experiencing
is
very
unique
to
north
america,
nobody
else
is
experiencing
this
in
the
same
way
that
we
are
so
we
have
to
like
start
to
implement
what
is
considered
radical
practices.
E
We
can
invest
more
resources
into
individuals
through
employment
and
rebuilding
and
restarting
their
lives
and
showing
them
value
purpose
and
meaning.
If
we
decriminalize
substances,
it
changes
the
whole
social
construct
of
how
we
view,
individuals
that
use
substances-
and
you
could
see
that
through
what
portugal
did.
General
society
was
completely
opposed
to
decriminalization
initially,
but
the
government
chose
to
push
forward
with
it
anyway
and
those
that
were
completely
opposed
to
it.
If
you
ask
them
now,
nobody
wants
to
go
back
to
the
old
way
because
they
see
how
successful
it
is.
E
A
M
Thank
you
so
much,
and
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
council
this
evening
on
the
topic
of
the
encampment
evictions
and
our
effects
on
our
unhoused
neighbors
within
the
drug
poisoning,
crisis
and
housing
crisis,
my
name
is
tony
thornton,
my
pronouns.
Are
they
and
she
for
accessibility
purposes?
I'll
briefly
describe
my
visual
appearance
for
those
who
can't
see
me,
I
have
fair
skin,
pink
and
purple
curly
hair.
My
clothes
are
orange
and
gray
today
and
there's
a
living
room.
In
my
background
as
context,
I'm
a
neighbor
of
ich
m
bell
park.
M
I've
lived
on
rideau
street
for
15
years
and
in
the
district
for
over
20
years,
I've
raised
my
son
here.
I've
taught
children
and
adults
in
the
schools
in
and
around
this
neighborhood
and
I've
been
actively
engaged
as
a
community
member
here
as
well.
My
now
teen
son
and
I
spend
extensive
time
in
bell
park.
We
go
for
frequent
bike
park,
bike
rides
in
the
park
and
walks.
We
walk
the
trails
with
our
friends.
M
We
have
an
intimate
connection
with
his
face
and
we've
been
part
of
its
evolution
over
the
years
and
throughout
the
pandemic.
We've
also
gotten
sorry,
I'm
a
bit
emotional
we've
also
gotten
to
know
many
of
the
residents
of
the
encampments
and
have
con
reconnected
with
people
who
now
live
there,
as
they
were
once
our
next-door
neighbors
or
parents
or
children
at
my
son's
school.
M
What
has
been
happening
over
the
last
couple
years
with
the
evictions
and
around
bell
park
is
deeply
disturbing.
Watching
unhoused
residents
get
continually,
evicted
has
been
horrific.
The
housing
crisis
has
disproportionately
affected
those
who
are
most
vulnerable.
Those
who
are
unhoused
disabled,
those
who
are
neurodivergent
people
who
use
substances,
indigenous
people
and
so
on,
re-traumatizing.
M
These
vulnerable
members
of
our
community
by
playing
a
cruel
game
of
musical
chairs,
is
something
that
the
city
needs
to
take
responsibility
for
the
problems
of
hopeless
homelessness
and
addiction
is
the
system
not
the
people
it
fails,
and
yet
the
response
to
these
problems
has
been
to
criminalize
unhoused
people,
tents
and
encampments
are
repeatedly
destroyed.
Unhoused
folks
are
continuously
neglected
by
a
system
that
chooses
to
move
them
around
like
ponds
rather
than
provide
housing
options
that
meet
their
needs,
told
to
move
further
into
the
woods.
M
Unhoused
people
are
forced
further
into
the
margins
away
from
community
safety
and
health
care
to
be
neither
seen
nor
heard,
we
all
know
what
is
driving
the
evictions,
neighbors
complaints
about
garbage,
etc.
These
complaints
have
been
summarized
in
dr
molten's
assessment
of
ich
in
what
is
called
a
current
reality
tree.
M
None
of
us
have
been
invited
to
focus
groups,
our
care
and
concern,
and
support
for
our
in-house
neighbors
and
resistance
to
evictions
are
never
included
in
assessments
or
reports.
Our
perspectives
aren't
collected
or
documented
or
considered,
and
since
we're
talking
about
whose
current
reality
tree
we're
discussing
and
whose
voices
are
being
heard,
it's
critical
to
ask
ourselves
how
democratic
these
systems
can
be.
If
unhoused
people
can't
be
included
these
processes,
these
meetings
and
these
decisions
are
all
exclusionary
and
privileged
the
middle
class.
M
The
people
most
impacted
on
how
people
aren't
meaningfully
represented
or
consulted
it's
a
grossly
inequitable
and
classy
system,
reminiscent
of
dystopian
movies
and
novels,
where
people
who
have
power
and
wealth
get
to
decide
whether
those
who
literally
have
nothing
get
to
live
or
die
because
make
no
mistake.
These
are
life
and
death
decisions.
M
This
treatment
of
unhoused
people
is
unacceptable
and
it's
defied
the
pandemic
homelessness
protocols
outlined
by
the
united
nations
human
rights
coalition.
The
un
protocol
says
that
governments
may
not
remove
residents
from
campus
without
meaningfully
engaging
them
and
identifying
alternative
places
to
live
that
are
acceptable
to
them.
M
These
evictions
have
been
happening
for
years
now
and
they
need
to
stop.
They
are
inhumane
and
inequitable,
a
violation
of
human
rights
and
a
waste
of
resources
until
everyone
has
a
permanent
home.
There
needs
to
be
an
explicit
moratorium
on
evictions
with
supports
and
resources
for
those
encampment
in
encampments.
N
M
Thank
you
for
your
question.
I
the
protocol
itself
says
that
they
need
to
be
acceptable
to
the
people
themselves
so
acceptable
to
unhoused
people.
So
I
am
I'm
not
here
to
tell
you
what
is
going
to
be
suitable
or
acceptable
to
them,
and
my
understanding
of
the
options
that
have
been
given
to
them
is.
They
are
not
options
that
any
of
us
you
know
like
would
take
in
terms
of
housing.
M
They
are
housing,
this
housing
that
have
that
are
ridden
with
bed
bugs,
and
you
know
other
infestations,
they're
sub-par
they're,
not
you
know
spaces
that
aren't,
you
know,
truly,
have
you
know
standard
living
conditions,
and
so
that's
my
understanding.
But
again
you
know,
that's
not
a
that's,
not
a
question.
I
can
answer.
That's
the
question
that
you
have
to
ask
them.
N
So
just
as
a
follow-up,
so
so
because
this
is
an
important
question,
because
you
know
everyone
has
a
different
sense
of
what
constitutes
acceptable
housing
right.
So
I
agree
with
you
that
we
do
have
to
consult
with
folks
about
that.
But
you
know
there
is
a
limited
range
of
options,
presumably
that
any
community
can
offer.
So
are
we
saying,
for
example,
clean
free
of
damage
like
like
I
I'm
just
trying
to
get
a
sense
of
you
know
is:
is
there?
M
Again,
counselor,
I
would
just
reiterate
that
I'm
not
a
housing
expert,
and
you
know
again
the
protocol
says
that
the
housing
options
need
to
be
acceptable
to
them.
So
that
would
be
a
conversation
again.
You
know
too,
and
I've
sort
of
underscored
the
idea
that
this
process,
you
know
is,
you
know,
needs
to
include
on
house
people.
You
know
it's,
and
so
I
I
think
you
know
again.
I
would
redirect
that
question.
You
know
to
the
population,
who's
most
impacted.
A
O
O
Much
further
from
services
and
supports
the
supports
available
at
the
integrated
care
hub
will
be
more
difficult
to
access
as
social
networks
that
have
developed
between
and
among
residents
will
be
fractured
and
that's
a
really
important
piece
of
people
living
in
community
they're,
not
a
bunch
of
throwaway
individuals.
They
actually
do
live
in
communities
that
are
alive
and
relational
and
changing
all
the
time
by
forcing
residents
to
relocate
further
from
the
ich.
We
will
see,
as
justine
pointed
out,
an
increase
in
harm,
including
risk
of
further
risk
of
overdose
and
death.
O
O
What
it
would
be
like
to
move
around
the
city
in
the
summer
on
foot
carrying
most
of
your
possessions,
because
you'd
be
worried
about
them
being
stolen
and
the
further
you
are
from
the
services
that
you
need.
The
more
difficult
it's
going
to
be
to
get
to
meal
programs
to
get
to
clinics.
To
get
to
the
meetings
you
need
to
be
at
to
get
into
the
downtown
core.
You
need
to
keep
moving,
so
you
don't
get
hassled
or
arrested
you're
traveling
all
day
in
the
heat
and
there's
nowhere
to
rest
in
kingston
right
now.
O
The
downtown
drop-in
meal
programs
that
many
unhoused
people
have
relied
on
for
decades.
They're
all
still
doing
takeout
because
of
covid.
So
there's
no
spots,
lunch
by
george,
st
vincent
de
paul
martha's
table
they're
all
take
out
facilities.
Now,
there's
no
place
to
rest
the
numbers
of
people
they're
serving
each
day
by
the
way
each
of
them
has
risen
astronomically
through
these
past
couple
of
years.
That's
a
topic
for
another
day.
I
guess,
but
they're
not
functioning
as
drop-in
centers.
You
can't
get
out
of
the
heat
you
can't
sit
and
rest.
O
There
are
very
few
safe
and
secure
places
to
rest
if
you're
unhoused
in
kingston
and
by
forcing
people
further
away
from
the
integrated
care
hub.
One
of
the
few
places
where
people
who
are
using
substances
and
coping
with
all
the
stresses
and
challenges
of
their
lives
are
actually
welcome
and
served
and
treated.
O
You
throw
people
into
an
untenable
situation
where
they're
at
risk
for
all
physical
and
social
harms
that
we
can
think
of
if
the
encampment
is
dispersed
and
people
are
forced
to
move
further
from
the
rch
this
summer.
In
addition
to
all
the
other
risks
that
have
been
mentioned,
unhoused
residents
will
be
more
at
risk
for
sun,
stroke
and
heat
exhaustion,
respiratory
distress
and
disease,
dehydration,
sunburn
and
exposure
to
ticks
and
other
pests
that
may
carry
disease
or
cause
infection
as
they're
moving
further
into
wooded
areas.
O
These
things
have
increased
thanks
to
the
warming
trends
due
to
climate
crises.
The
recent
cleanup
days
at
the
encampment
was
evidence
that
many
kingston
residents
are
prepared
to
live
peaceably
with
the
encampments
at
least
until
affordable
and
appropriate
housing
is
made
available.
I
know
that
none
of
you
here
tonight.
None
of
you
want
to
see
high-end
people,
given
the
lack
of
housing
alternatives
in
cities
across
canada,
researchers
and
service
providers
are
beginning
to
understand
encampments
on
public
land
as
part
of
the
continuum
of
available
housing
options,
not
a
problem
to
be
erased.
A
A
A
That
amanda
daughter
be
invited
to
speak
to
council
tonight.
All
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
carried,
moved
by
councilor
hutchinson
seconded
by
councillor
neal
that
tammy
lund
be
invited
to
speak
to
for
council
tonight.
All
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
carried
next
move
by
councillor
hill
seconded
by
councillor
neal
that
daniel
mcdonald
be
invited
to
speak
to
council
tonight.
All
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
carried.
A
I
moved
by
council
mclaren
seconded
by
councillor
neal
that
crystal
wilson
be
invited
to
speak
to
council
tonight.
All
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
carried,
moved
by
council
mclaren
seconded
by
councillor
neal
that
timothy
lyon
be
invited
to
speak
to
council
tonight.
All
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
carried
and
then
finally,.
A
P
Last
week
I
attended
the
clean
up
near
the
ich
and,
as
I
picked
up
personal
items,
soiled
and
wet,
I
had
time
to
comprehend
how
challenging
and
devastating
living
in
a
tent
over
winter
is
and
yet
as
devastating
as
it
is.
It
could
be
worse
if
people
are
forced
to
leave
the
vicinity
of
the
anchors.
They
currently
have
the
integrated
care
hub
and
each
other,
I'm
here
today
to
ask
you
not
to
evict
unhoused
until
proper
housing
and
healthcare
solutions
are
made
available
to
them
until
the
kovit-19
pandemic
hit.
P
I
knew
very
little
about
poverty
in
kingston
and
even
less
about
the
opioid
pandemic,
but
in
march
of
2020
it
became
clear
that
kovit
had
exasperated
shortage
of
housing,
poverty
and
mental
health
issues.
For
many
for
the
first
time
in
my
20
years
of
living
in
kingston
and
house
residents
were
visible
everywhere.
P
The
encampments
were
a
reprieve
for
many
in
july
of
2020.
Doctors,
nurses
and
social
workers
send
counsel
a
petition
to
keep
their
incompetent
intact,
claiming
and
unquoting
the
bell
park.
Encampment
provides
a
space
where
health
and
social
services
can
be
provided
and
where
residents
feel
their
physical
and
emotional
health
and
security
are
better
than
in
isolation.
P
P
And
this
one
this
time
primarily
for
residents
who
receive
services
at
the
hub,
so
a
higher
number
of
addictions
and
substance
use
is
visible
in
the
fall
of
2021.
The
ich
issued
an
extensive
and
heartbreaking
report
about
its
first
year
of
operation
and
the
number
of
overdoses
overdoses
they
were
able
to
reverse
is
astounding.
P
P
P
Q
P
A
R
Okay,
so
I'm
gonna
walk
it
back
a
second
when
I
first
got
into
kingston
in
2008
my
second
week
there
I
hitched
in
from
out
of
town,
I
was
sitting
in
victoria
park,
one
night.
It
was
victoria
day
and
there
were
students
sitting
on
fireworks
everywhere,
and
I
was
just
chilling
on
the
swing
and
watching
them,
and
three
squad
cars
rolled
up
before
one
or
two
police
officers
got
out
to
inform
me.
The
park
was
closed
and
then
proceeded
to
search.
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
A
S
R
R
So
there's
that
hole
in
there
as
well
and
again,
accessibility
is
different
person
to
person,
and
I
think
that
when
we're
talking
about
our
current,
you
know
residents
of
the
area
like.
I
think
that
asking
them
what
their
access
needs
are-
and
you
know
being
in
tune
with
things
related
to
like
the
the
healthcare
needs
that
they
have,
that
are
being
met
by
the
ich,
are
very
important
to
consider.
R
A
T
So
what
I'm
saying
is
I
access
and
use
bell
park
and
the
encampment
protocol
makes
the
claim
that
is
meant
to
maintain
access
and
use
of
public
spaces,
and
I
don't
believe,
that's
the
true
intention
we
have
access
to
and
we
use
that
land.
What
the
encampment
protocol
does
is
villainize
people
for
being
unhoused.
T
I'm
very
upset
to
hear
that
the
city,
yet
again
would
continue
to
try
to
remove
vulnerable
populations
instead
of
caring
for
them
and
instead
of
providing
affordable
housing
in
my
career,
I
support
vulnerable
people
every
day,
growing
food
for
no
cost
and
low
cost
access.
As
an
urban
farmer
at
loving
spoonful,
we
aren't
meeting
people's
needs,
and
I
know
that
if
we
had
proper
housing
as
well
as
affordable
food
for
people,
we
could
turn
people's
lives
in
safer
directions.
T
During
the
pandemic,
kingston
experienced
a
rate
of
opioid
related
deaths
higher
than
the
provincial
average,
and
the
ongoing
drug
poisoning
crisis
resulted
in
a
devastating
level
of
preventable
deaths
in
april
this
year,
houselessness
and
drug
use
are
not
individual
failings,
but
increasingly
are
accepted
to
be
a
reflection
of
the
effects
of
unmet.
Physical
and
mental
health
needs
adverse
childhood
experiences,
a
housing
crisis
just
to
name
a
few
bell
park,
offers
proximity
to
the
well-documented
life-saving
services
provided
by
the
ich
and
cts,
as
well
as
access
to
basic
city
services.
T
T
I
believe
that
the
ich
should
be
a
place
where
people
can
stay
nearby
permanently
and
where
there
is
water,
porta,
potties
electricity
and
a
dumpster
available
to
better
meet
basic
needs.
This
is
an
absolutely
achievable
model,
so
I
don't
even
know
why
we're
talking
about
it.
It's
a
mitigation
until
we
have
affordable
housing
and,
as
tony
thornton
mentioned
earlier,
even
the
guiding
principles
on
extreme
poverty
and
human
rights
from
the
united
nations
has
guidelines
that
state
quote
the
forced
eviction
of
homeless
persons
from
public
spaces
and
the
destruction
of
their
personal
belongings
must
be
prohibitive.
A
U
Hi
thanks
so
much.
Thank
you
so
much.
You
know,
I
don't
have
the
knowledge
or
the
eloquence
or
the
breadth
of
experience
that
so
many
other
speakers
have
shared
with
everyone
today
and
I
won't
take
a
lot
of
your
time,
but
as
a
homeowner
here
in
the
neighborhood
and
as
somebody
who
is
outside
much
more
than
I'm
in.
I
thank
you
for
the
permission
to
speak,
and
I
just
want
to
take
the
time
to
talk
about
the
safety
and
security
of
my
community
and
my
neighborhood.
U
To
me,
this
neighborhood
has
always
been
and
will
always
be
a
vibrant
and
dynamic
economically
mixed
neighborhood
people
here
work
hard
to
take
care
of
one
another
people
choose
to
live
here.
For
that
reason
we
live
here
rather
than
in
maybe
more
suburban
or
more
student-filled
spaces.
Because
of
the
vibrancy
of
this
neighborhood,
we
support
each
other
in
lockdowns.
We
support
each
other
through
fires
through
much
more
mundane
things
as
well
like
mowing,
each
other's
lawns,
we're
shoveling
the
snow.
U
We
are
here
for
each
other
every
day
and
the
people
in
my
community
that
are
experiencing
a
lack
of
housing
that
are
experiencing
mental
health
crises
and
addictions
are
no
less
important
than
everybody
else
that
lives
in
my
community,
I'm
so
concerned
that
council
would
consider
displacing
people
whose
struggles
are
intensified
by
this
constant
displacement
and
dispossession.
I
certainly
know
if
you
were
about
to
bulldoze
my
house,
I
would
be
very
upset,
and
I
think
that
my
neighbors
would
stand
up
for
me
and
I'm
here
to
stand
up
for
the
other
neighbors
in
my
community.
U
The
needs
of
people
experiencing
both
addictions
and
housing
you
know
are
are
something
that
none
of
us
want
to.
Imagine
may
be
something
that
we
experience
right.
We
all.
We
don't
want
to
imagine
that,
and
yet
we
know
how
quickly
that
can
happen,
and
other
speakers
have
talked
about
how
quickly
that
has
happened
to
other
people.
U
I,
as
others
have
mentioned.
If
people
get
displaced,
I'm
concerned
for
the
well-being
of
those
people
and
I'm
concerned
for
the
well-being
of
our
whole
neighborhood.
As
there
will
be
so
much
destruction,
there
will
be
a
lot
more
suffering
a
lot.
A
lot
of
assaults,
a
lot
of
abuse,
a
lot
of
deep
trauma,
we're
going
to
continue
to
reenact
trauma
in
our
communities,
and
we
have
such
a
possibility
to
just
stop.
U
As
I
think
justine
and
others
have
mentioned.
You
know
access
to
harm
reduction
and
wrap
around
services
for
people
who
are
in
house
near
where
they're
staying
is
so
important
to
the
longer
term,
successful
outcomes,
and
we
should
be
so
proud
for
having
the
ich
here
that
we
should
allow
a
community
to
build
around
it.
U
You
know
I
love
that
the
council
is
also
considering
longer-term
solutions
and
we
definitely
need
longer
longer-term
solutions,
but,
as
murray
just
said,
we
have
a
solution
now
that
will
keep
people
safe
and
secure
and
keep
our
neighborhoods
strong.
So
please
stop
even
considering
the
invention
guarantee
their
right
to
to
live
there
freely
and
then,
let's
look
at
the
longer
term
solutions
to
solve
this
bigger
problem
of
of
the
housing
crisis
that
kingston
is
experiencing.
Thank
you.
N
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
presentation.
One
of
the
things
that
we've
heard
pretty
regularly
is
that
folks
in
the
neighborhood-
and
you
are
in
the
neighborhood-
I
I'm
I'm
assuming
are-
are
particularly
disadvantaged
by
having
this
this
community
there
that
there's
been
lots
of
vandalism
and
damage
etc,
and
I'm
just
wondering
would
you
put
yourself
sort
of
in
the
minority
of
opinion
on
supporting
it
there
or
do
you
think
most
of
your
neighbors
feel
similar
to
you.
U
I
believe
that,
as
I
said,
I
think
there
is
less
there's
more
security,
since
people
have
had
encampments,
because
people
have
a
home
to
go
to,
and
people
have
a
place
near
supportive
services
that
they
can
get
the
help
that
they
need
if
they
need
it,
and
so,
like
I
said,
I
think
my
neighbors,
and
certainly
I
feel
that
it
has
made
the
community
feel
much
more
safe
to
have
an
encampment
there
and
that
disrupt
the
destruction
of
people's
lives.
I
mean,
what
would
you
do
if
you
were
just
tossed
out
on
the
street?
U
You
would
be
upset
and
angry
and
traumatized
and
that's
you
know
I
care
about
people
and
that's
difficult
to
see
wandering
around
your
neighborhood.
So
I
think
that
there
are
always
going
to
be
some
people
that
are
upset
every
neighborhood
I
go
to
has
people
every
neighborhood
I've
lived
in
every
neighborhood.
I've
walked
through
sometimes
has
trash
running
around
you
know.
Rolling
around
sometimes
has
neighbors
that
complain
about
the
height
of
the
lawn
or
that
complain
about
a
loud
party.
U
H
Yeah,
thank
you,
mayor
patterson,
and
thank
you
for
your
presentation,
I'm
very
curious
about
that
perspective.
I
don't
think
I've
heard
that
perspective
very
often,
but
I
guess
I'm
just
trying
to
wonder.
I
appreciate
the
point
which
someone
brought
up
earlier,
where
their
their
interpretation
of
encampments
were
part
of
the
continuum
of
housing.
But
I'm
trying
to
imagine-
and
I
think
council
is
in
our
community-
is
that
we
have
a
community
that
doesn't
need
an
encampment,
but
that
we
can
actually
come
up
with
housing.
H
U
Like
others,
I'm
not
an
expert
in
long-term
municipal
housing
strategies,
but
it's
certainly
necessary
tomorrow.
I
don't
think
unless
you
can
open
up
a
building
that
has
access
to
both
to
everything
that
somebody
needs,
including
the
services
of
the
hub
tomorrow,
and
invite
people
to
move
in
which
again,
as
tony
and
others
have
mentioned,
should
still
be
people's
choice.
But
until
you
even
have
that
option,
how
can
we
talk
about
displacing
people?
U
I
A
V
V
V
I
was
hopeful
that
the
molten
report
would
have
broken
this
pattern,
apparently
not
as
a
resident
and
land
owner
joining
the
kp
trail
bell
park
and
a
close
neighbor
to
the
ich.
I
have
concerns
for
this
six-month
pilot
project
proposed
which
will
allow
an
undetermined
number
of
campers
to
take
up
residence
in
bell
park
area.
V
V
V
Two
days
ago,
of
a
battle
that
was
taking
place
with
an
axe
handle
in
a
tent
right
behind
my
house,
my
axe
handle
that
was
robbed
from
my
house
overnight
between
the
24th
and
the
25th
of
may.
When
someone
cut
a
hole
through,
my
fence,
cut
two
locks
off
of
my
shed
and
entered
my
property
and
stole
my
possessions
police
reports.
Do
nothing
for
this.
Please
don't
do
a
thing
other
than
issue
an
incident
report.
V
V
It
isn't
worth
it
to
me,
but
it
infuriates
me
that
our
police
department
will
do
nothing
to
enforce
these
laws
unless
I
have
my
name
engraved
on
that
tool,
they're
not
going
to
go
and
try
to
bring
it
back
and
then
in
scenarios,
even
when
you
did
when
it's
identifiable,
they
still
make
no
effort
to
it.
So
now
the
other
night
I
got
to
listen
instead
of
listening
to
them,
smashing
up
skins
for
firewood.
I
got
to
listen
to
a
guy
chopping
down
a
tree
with
my
axe.
V
I
walked
in
the
backyard
and
I
could
actually
see
the
fella
chopping
down
a
live
tree
right
beside
the
kp
trail,
which
are
very
select,
trees
that
were
left
when
that
eight
million
dollar
nine
million
dollar
renovation
to
the
kp
trail
was
done.
He's
chopping
down
one
of
the
trees
with
my
ass.
That's
not
that's,
not
a
pleasant
feeling.
V
V
I
see
the
good
of
the
ich,
but
I
also
see
the
negative
of
the
ich
and
what
infuriates
me
is
that
people
don't
see
our
side
of
it.
They
don't
hear
our
side
of
it.
There
has
to
be
some
balance
here.
The
malted
report
I
felt
for
the
first
time
like
we
had
a
voice
and
city
council,
has
failed
to
to
act
on
it
in
any
way,
shape
or
form.
The
ich
is
failing
to
act
on
it.
V
There
has
been
nothing
implemented
to
try
and
bridge
the
communications
between
the
residents
in
this
neighborhood
who
are
suffering
because
of
the
encampments
with
the
staff
that
are
maintaining
the
agencies
or
the
city.
That's
endorsing
it.
I
I
don't
know
what
the
answer
is,
but
I
know
that,
amongst
some
of
those
campers
there
are
a
number.
V
Among
some
of
those
campers
there
are,
there
is
a
criminal
element
and
when
we
look
to
the
police
for
9-1-1
calls,
we
expect
them
to
respond
and
they
don't
and
they're
not
dealing
with
the
criminals.
We're
not
asking
you
to
criminalize
people
for
having
procession
of
drugs
or
using
drugs
or
having
a
mental
health
crisis.
We're
asking
you
to
get
the
people
who
are
breaking
the
laws
and
violating
our
homes
and
threatening
our
safety
and
our
peaceful
enjoyment
of
our
property
and.
A
Q
V
Yes,
absolutely
100
percent
100
percent,
like
I
say
I
know
a
lot
of
the
people
that
are
sitting
over
there
in
that
field
right
now
and
I'm
compassionate
and
I'm
understanding
and
I'm
empathetic
towards
the
struggles.
I
am.
I
truly
am
I
put
things
out
on
my
front
lawn
that
I
know
they
can
use
whether
it
be
socks,
mitts,
hats,
pots,
candles
in
the
winter
things
that
I
know
they
can
use.
V
I
have
done
my
best
to
tolerate
the
nightly
noise
that
goes
on
of
the
smashing
of
the
skids
and
the
clinging
on
the
fences
and
the
barking
dogs
and
the
outbreaks
of
you
know
arguments
and
whatever
do
I
feel
victimized
yeah.
I
feel
victimized
before
I
figured
out
who
it
was
who
broke
into
my
shed,
and
I
looked
in
that
field.
I'd
see
50
people
that
were
potential
criminals
to
me,
and
I
don't
like
feeling
that
way.
I
don't
like
feeling
insecure.
I
don't
like
feeling
threatened.
I
don't
like
feeling
like
my
home
is
safe.
V
D
V
A
F
Thank
you,
mayor,
patterson
and
through
you.
Thank
you,
miss
lynn,
I'm
going
to
ask
this
question
delicately
because
I'm
not
trying
to
sew
division,
and
I
want
to
say
that
I
appreciate
your
comments
about
balance
and
finding
a
solution.
So
that's
the
spirit
I'm
asking
it
in,
but
I'm
wondering.
Could
you
give
us
insight
on
any
conversations
you've
had
with
your
neighbors,
because
one
of
the
conflicts
I
feel
tonight
is
right
before
you
we
heard
someone
that
said
they
live
in
proximity
to
and
feel
the
opposite
of
you.
V
V
My
neighbors
I
mean
a
neighbor,
come
to
my
door
this
morning
and
he
was
like
up
in
arms
and
said:
I'm
going
to
city
hall,
I
got
a
sign,
I'm
going
down
to
city
hall
and
I'm
going
to
protest
and
because
he
is
my
neighbor
he's
been
a
good
neighbor,
we've
known
each
other,
our
pretty
much
our
entire
lives,
my
god,
our
families
went
to
school
together
in
public
school.
I
grabbed
a
chunk
of
cardboard
and
I
wrote
my
little
sign
and
I
went
down
and
I
joined
them.
Heaven
forbid.
V
He
should
stand
alone
in
front
of
city
hall.
Interestingly
enough,
while
we
were
standing
down
there
along
comes
the
homeless
fellow,
pushing
a
great
big
gray,
cart
and
he
stops
and
he
talks
to
us
and
we're
chatting
it
up
with
them
and
he's
all
upset,
because
the
city
works
department
went
and
basically
tore
down
his
tent
from
wherever
waterfront
site
that
he
was
at
last
night.
They
tore
down
his
tent
taking
all
of
his
bedding
and
they
got
the
tent
poles
to
his
tent,
but
he
caught
them
in
time
to
stop
them.
V
But
he
didn't
retrieve
the
things
that
they'd
already
loaded
on
the
truck.
He
was
pushing
his
cart
around
with
a
half
a
tent,
no
poles,
no
blankets,
no
pillow
a
probably
you
know
like
missing
significant
portions
of
his
home,
and
I
asked
him
I
said
well:
did
they
give
you
a
48-hour
notice,
because
that
is
the
city
protocol
at
this
particular
time,
and
he
said
no,
they
just
they
just
tore
stuff
down
and
threw
it
in
the
garbage
and
he
was
upset.
V
And
while
me
and
my
neighbor
stood
in
front
of
city
hall,
holding
our
our
little
signs,
a
security
guard
from
inside
city
hall
come
out
to
make
sure
that
this
gentleman
didn't
stand
there
chatting
with
us
for
too
long
while
he
stood
there
with
his
personal
belongings
in
a
push,
cart.
So
there's
a
double
standard.
It
can
happen
around
here
and
we're
supposed
to
accept
it,
but
heaven
forbid
it
happened
in
the
downtown
core
because
that's
where
they
get
shunned
away
from
we're,
not
shunning
them
away
from
here.
I
support
the
camping
over
there.
V
V
We
don't
we
understand
that
we're
empathetic
towards
that.
If
you're
going
to
allow
encampments
in
the
city,
you
need
to
break
them
up.
You
have
got
this
area
so
over
intensified
with
these
services
that
that's.
That
is
one
of
the
major
parts
of
the
problem.
It
is
all
right
here
in
this
eight
block
radius.
All
of
it.
This
city
has
got
a
lot
of
green
spaces.
It's
got
a
lot
of
city
parks
if
you're
gonna,
let
them
camp
here
for
48
hours
or
let
them
camp
here
for
six
months.
V
You
need
to
open
it
up
to
all
parks
of
city
parks
in
this
city,
where
facilities
can
be
made
available
to
them,
be
that
the
memorial
center
front
lawn
be
that
mcburney
park,
be
that
anywhere
where
there's
a
church
or
an
agency
that'll,
open,
washrooms
and
facilities
for
them
any
of
them.
You
can't
isolate
it
in
one
area.
It's
not
fair!
It's
very
discriminatory
towards
this
particular
neighborhood
and-
and
bob
has
said
it
in
council
before
that
this
neighborhood
has
taken
a
major
hit
on
this,
and
it's
true.
Businesses
have
closed.
V
W
V
V
It
is
a
simple
over
saturation
of
of
too
much
in
one
place.
We've
had
campers
in
the
backwoods
here,
like
I
say
since
I
was
a
child.
You
know:
we've
I've
seen
structures
built
on
bell
island
when
I
was
a
kid
that
people
would
live
in
because
there
was
nowhere
else
to
live
or
they
didn't
have
the
funds
to
afford
a
place
to
live
or
whatever
it
wasn't.
V
It
wasn't
a
problem.
People
didn't
come
up
and
steal
things
from
you.
People
didn't
come
up
and
threaten
you
if
you
said
anything
about
them
being
on
your
property.
Now
I've
had
trespassers
on
my
property
and
I've
approached
them
in
a
number
of
different
ways.
I
like
I've,
asked
them
very
politely.
Hey
like
you
know
something
I
can
help
you
with
no
nope
and
some
of
them
will
just
move
along.
I
get
people
coming
up.
You
know
checking
my
recycle
bins
on
a
regular
basis.
V
Taking
anything
that
they
can
use-
and
I
just
kind
of
you
know
hey-
I
have
no
problem,
you
know
no
harm.
No
foul
people
need
water.
There's.
My
top
people
need
to
charge
their
phone
there's
my
plug-in.
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
that.
It's
the
violations
that
are
offensive.
Okay,
it's
the
threatening
of
my
well-being.
V
I
A
X
X
Well,
they
made
you
immoral
actions,
sometimes
to
get
it
like
steel
or
whatnot.
But
I
promise
you
if
they
didn't
have
to
steal
to
get
their
drugs,
they
wouldn't
steal
to
get
their
drugs
and
they
would
be
they
would
be
not
a
drug
addict.
It
would
just
be
a
thief,
and
not
just
the
drug
addict
was
a
problem.
X
If
we
had
safe
supply
that
wouldn't
happen,
the
number
of
deaths
would
be
spiraling
down
year
after
year,
because
people
wouldn't
be
using
the
same
toxic
poison
drugs
every
day
and
if
it
was
safe
supply
provided
by
you
know
the
government
health
system,
their
money
could
be
more
focused
on
getting
a
job
and
they
could
actually
have
a
job
because
they
don't
have
to
worry
about.
Oh,
where
am
I
going
to
get
my
next
fix
and
if
I
go
to
a
job
for
eight
hours
or
12
hours?
X
How
am
I
supposed
to
do
my
other
job
that
gets
me
drugs?
They
can't,
but
if
they
have
a
regimented
system
of
using
drugs
legally
safely,
they
still
be
able
to
find
a
do
that.
Just
like
your
idea
for
on
medication
by
the
doctor,
you
take
it
and
you
move
on
with
your
life
yeah.
It
may
be
saving
your
life,
and
I
just
think
that
especially
justine
is
my
my
mentor
and
most
special
person
in
the
world
to
me.
X
X
X
If
the
government
agreed
to
serve
money
for
2
000
a
month
was
I
put
enough
to
survive
on,
and
why
is
a
thousand
dollars
for
people
on
odsp,
and
I
don't
know
how
much
welfare
is.
How
is
that
adequate
how's
that?
How
is
that
even
close
to
being
hypocritical
to
me?
I
mean
they
keep
their
number.
I
don't
know
how
they
came
up
with
their
numbers,
so
I
can't
say
that
it
truly
is.
X
All
I
can
say
is
that
you
need
to
be
able
to
afford
to
live
for
one
in
order
to
even
just
have
the
most
main
mundane
satisfaction
of
life,
let
alone
having
a
you
know:
an
income
where
you
can.
You
know
a
disposable
income
where
you
can,
you
know,
have
fun
and
things
that
you
wish
to
do
in
your
life.
X
People
here
don't
do
that.
People
have
each
other
and
use
drugs
to
cope,
mostly
you
self-medicate,
and
they
use
it
to
to
maybe
stop
themselves
from
being
nervous
to
do
something
like
this
or
you
know,
maybe
just
stop,
because
their
girlfriend
broke
up
with
them
and
they
were
hurting
and
they
just
they
need
to.
They
need
to
stop
the
pain
for
a
little
while
and
they
don't
have
anything
30
seconds.
A
A
Y
Good
evening,
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
tonight.
It's
been
just
over
two
years,
since
we
were
trying
to
figure
out
what
to
do
about
the
bell
park.
Encampment-
and
I
I
have
to
say
I
I
feel
like
the
conversation-
has
improved
in
a
positive
way,
and
I
I
feel
like
council,
has,
has
learned
and
become
more
empathetic
and
I
feel
like
the
broader
community
has
become
more
empathetic
to
the
needs
of
people
without
homes
at
the
cabin
community.
Where
I'm
delegating
from
tonight.
Y
I
just
want
to
say
we're
thankful
for
all
the
amazing
support
from
our
portsmouth
harbor,
neighbors
and
and
also
from
our
potential
new
neighbors
in
lakeside,
who
have
already
started
to
visit
us
and
offer
their
support.
I
wanted
to
remind
council
that
our
cabin
community-
it's
not
very
different
from
a
sanctioned
encampment.
Y
We
just
have
a
little
bit
fancier
homes
than
intent,
but
we
have
the
same
types
of
facilities
that
would
be
found
or
needed
in
a
sanctioned
encampment,
and
we
have
the
same
types
of
supports
access
available
on
site
for
our
cabin
residents.
The
same
mhs
workers,
the
same
homies
housing
workers,
the
same
cairo's
community
living
all
of
onward,
could
all
access
the
same.
The
same
way
they
do
in
the
sanction
in
canada.
The
same
way
they
do
in
our
in
our
cabin
community.
Y
It
takes
a
lot
of
conversations
to
build
trust
if,
if
we
continuously
move
people,
if
we
can,
if
we
don't
create
safe
spaces
for
them
to
stop
and
rest,
we
won't
build
that
trust
and
it
will
be
harder
and
harder
to
remove
people
from
homelessness.
It's
it's
one
of
the
fundamental
things
we've
learned
in
the
cabin
community.
Y
We
have
you
know,
building
building
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
trust,
to
get
our
residents
to
to
to
allow
us
to
help
them
to
do
the
work
to
exit
homelessness
in
the
next
few
weeks,
we
are
expecting
a
number
of
our
residents
to
to
to
move
not
only
hopefully
to
center
70,
if
council
approves,
but
then
on
to
housing
thanks
to
the
canada.
Ontario
housing
benefit
that
some
of
our
residents
have
started
receiving
this
week.
We're
getting
word
that
they've
received
this
week.
Y
Without
that
benefit
it's
impossible
to
consider
housing
when
you
only
have
390
available
for
a
budget.
We
know
that
that
rooms
right
now
in
the
types
of
places
you've
already
heard
about
with
cockroaches
and
rats
and
and
landlords
who
have
enforcers,
who
will
not
follow
in
landlord
tenant
rules
that
it's
650
for
a
room.
So
somebody
on
ow
it's
impossible
now
for
them
to
find
housing.
Y
Somebody
on
odsp
they
have
497
dollars
available
to
them,
it's
impossible
without
some
extra
supports
so
pushing
people
around
through
through
you
know,
from
one
place
to
another:
it's
just
not
going
to
help
them
exit
homelessness.
Putting
that
pressure
on
them
keeping
them
stressed.
It's
not
gonna
help
them
it's
gonna.
It's
gonna
cause
people
to
be
to
to
get
further
away
from
the
support
services
that
they
need
and
and
to
erode
the
trust
to
the
point
where
they
won't.
They
won't
access
the
services
they
need.
Y
I
mean
we've
seen
some
amazing
support
in
the
cabin
community
and
and
I'm
so
thankful
for
that,
but
as
a
whole
community,
we
need
to
embrace
those
who
who
suffer
most,
and
we
need
to
tell
them
that
we're
here
to
support
them
and
we're
here
to
do
the
work
that
we
need
to
do
the
work
too,
with
what's
necessary
to
create
a
community
that
will
help
people
exit
homelessness
when
when
the
encampment
protocol
was
approved,
you
probably
don't
remember,
but
I
do
I
did
not.
I
spoke
against
the
encampment
protocol.
Y
I
think
it
violates
people's
human
rights
and
it's
harmful
and
causes
increased
trauma.
I
ask
you
tonight
to
not
to
continue
the
pause
that
we've
seen
over
the
last
year
continue
the
pause
on
the
enchantment
protocol
and
and
also
remember
that
that
the
encampment
protocol
affects
people
across
our
city,
not
not
just
the
people
at
bell
park,
but
people
across
the
city,
and
we
need
to
pause
that
encampment
protocol
and
find
a
better
path
forward
for
people
right
across
the
city.
C
C
G
At
a
very,
very
high
level,
you
have
taken
a
homeless
person
in
you've,
used
your
own
funds
to
house
people
in
hotels,
you've
gotten
this
cabins,
these
sleeping
cabins
run
through
I
mean
if
there
were
150
people
like
you
in
the
city,
I
think
we
would
end
homelessness
if
they
did
just
a
quarter
of
what
you're
doing.
So,
I'm
very
curious
as
to
what
do
you
see
as
the
fundamental
problem?
Here
I
mean
you
mentioned.
We
have
to
build
trust
we
have
to.
G
Y
And
say
it's
complex,
but
I'm
exactly
the
type
of
person
who
would
tackle
a
complex
problem.
We
there's
things
that
we
can't
control.
We
can't
control
the
ow
and
odsp
rates
we
can
advocate
for
higher
rates
and
for
universal
basic
income.
That
would
help
the
the
people
that
are
currently
living
in
the
cabin
community,
the
biggest
barrier
right
now
for
them
for
how
attainable
housing
is
incomes,
their
incomes
don't
match
the
cost
of
housing
and-
and
so
when,
when
you
know
we,
we
try
hard
right
now.
Y
The
the
best
option
for
somebody
who's
living
in
the
cabin
community
to
acquire
housing
is
to
sublease
a
student
housing,
a
student
housing
room
over
the
summer,
and
then
that
would
end
in
august.
So
it's
not
really
a
good
option.
But
when
you
look
at
what's
available
through
housing
listings,
there's
very
little
housing
available,
so
we
need
we
need
non-market
housing.
We
need
to
build
more
non
non-market
housing,
it's
it's
not
it!
Y
You
know
what
we're
doing
right
now
in
terms
of
asking
developers
to
create
you
know
80
off
market
rates.
Nobody
in
the
cabin
community
can
afford
that
we
need
to.
We
need
to
create
housing
that
people
can
afford
and
and
and
have
some
more
supportive
housing.
It's
great
that
the
new
tpmosa
transitional
housing.
I
think
we
need
more
models
like
that
and
dawn
house.
Has
the
new
ridley
drive
location?
Y
N
Thank
you.
Thank
you
crystal
for
your
presentation
and
for
all
the
work
that
you're
doing
I'm.
I
I
keep
asking
this
question
because
I
I
don't
get
an
answer
to
it
and
it's
goes
back
to
the
the
protocol
and
you
talked
about
the
need
to
build,
affordable
housing,
and
yet
what
I
hear
regularly
is
is
it
has
to
be
affordable,
housing
or
housing.
That.
N
The
residents
who
would
go
into
it
would
choose,
and
I
I
guess
my
my
concern
is:
how
much
choice
can
there
be?
How
much
choice
can
can
a
community
sort
of
accommodate,
given
the
sort
of
limitations
that
that
we're
faced
with
right
now,
so
you
know
what
what
becomes
a
reasonable
expectation
of
accommodation
for
someone
who
is
being
moved
from
homelessness
into
some
form
of
accommodation
like?
Is
it
three
different
options?
Y
Right
so
I
I
guess
I
would
go
back
to
a
few
challenges
that
we
have
in
the
city.
Kingston
currently
operates
with
minimum
property
standards
and
we
need
to
increase
our
expectations
of
landlords.
We.
We
also
know
that
the
housing,
the
current
housing
provider,
the
main
housing
provider
in
kingston,
they
have
a
preferred
landlord.
Who
will
take
just
about
anybody?
The
problem
is
that
preferred
landlords
houses
don't
mean
any.
Y
Y
We
shouldn't
have
landlords,
we
shouldn't
have
housing
providers
working
with
with
with
landlords
like
that,
so
you
know
if
so,
when
people
hear
that
their
first
option
or
the
only
option
is
to
stay
in
in
that
particular
landlord's
housing,
they
will
not
go
if
they've
had,
especially
when
they've
had
horrific
experiences
with
that
landlord.
We
need
to
sever
that
relationship
that
would
help
you
know
that
person
owns
quite
a
few
houses
in
kingston.
I
don't
you
know
that
yeah
they're
disgusting,
I'm
sorry,
but
they're
disgusting.
We
shouldn't
be
placing
people.
Y
I've
been
in
those
houses,
I
have
keys
to
some
of
those
houses
even
much
to
the
landlord's
disappointment
and-
and
you
know,
I
support
people
in
those
houses
and
I'm
just
absolutely
appalled
that
we
would
ask
people
to
live
in
those
conditions.
If
the.
If
you
know
if,
if
the
humane
society
saw
animals
in
those
conditions,
they
would
remove
them.
Y
Y
Yeah,
so
you
know
that
it's
on
the
city
of
kingston
to
increase
their
minimum
property
standards
and
enforce
it
when
it
would
right
now,
if
a
tenant.
If,
if
there's
like,
if
I'm
helping
somebody
and
I
try
and
contact
property
standards
and
say
hey,
this
house
is
really
disgusting
and
there's
these
things
going
on
and
you
know
the
plumbing
doesn't
work
properly
or
whatever
they
won't
talk
to
me.
Y
They
want
to
talk
to
the
tenant
and
then
tenants,
usually
don't
have
the
the
the
skills
to
navigate
those
kind
of
conversations
not
always,
but
and
and
it's
difficult
when
they're
scared
of
their
landlord
to
have
those
kind
of
conversations
with
property
standards.
So
you
know
we
need
to
change
that.
We
need
to
encourage
property
standards
to
work
with
the
that
person's
worker
or
a
person's
advocate
and
allow
those
those
advocates
to
have
those
conversations
with
consents
in
place
so
that
so
that
we
can
keep
pressure
on
on
property
standards
to
hold
landlords
accountable.
A
C
A
G
Y
Y
I
was
very
disappointed
at
how
that
committee
was
run.
I
I
didn't
think
it
actually
created
open
conversation
in
good
ways
for
for
engagement,
and
I
expressed
that
disappointment
to
to
the
moderator
in
in
portsmouth
district.
We
are,
we
are
very
transparent.
We
have
conversations
daily
with
you
know
with
neighbors.
Y
I
one
of
one
of
the
things
that
has
really
impressed
me
with
the
residents
that
are
staying
here
is
how
much
they've
been
willing
to
open
themselves
up
and
ex
and
expose
their
vulnerabilities
to
be
able
to
have
the
conversations
with
our
neighbors
and
show,
or
our
neighbors
in
portsmouth
harbor
in
portsmouth
district.
You
know
that
they're
just
people,
their
parents,
their
children,
their
uncles
and
their
aunts,
and-
and
you
know
the
struggles
that
they
have
they're
they're
normal
human
struggles.
We
just
for
some
reason.
Y
We
demonize
them
in
communities
across
the
country,
but
but
but
being
open
and
transparent
and
available
to
conversation,
and
that
that
has
made,
I
think,
a
big
difference
in
the
important
portsmouth
district
with
the
community
liaison
committee
for
the
integrated
care
hub.
I
did
you
can
ask
the
moderator.
S
Y
S
Health,
well,
they
had
some
issues
there,
but
they
felt
that
they
that
it
could
be
done
right.
I
understand,
could
you
speak
more
about
that?
What
are
the
benefits
of
the
buzz
as
it
is
like
this
sort
of
falls
in
the
middle,
like
you
can
have
an
encampment
problems
for
the
city,
the
you
could
have
nobody
there
and
that
causes
all
kinds
of
trouble
for
the
whole
thing.
Y
I
I
I
mean
I
I
don't
know
in
the
particular
people
that
in
in
drafted
the
encampment
protocol,
but
I
don't
believe
that
it
it
meets
human
rights
it.
I
think
it
causes
trauma
and
I
think
it's
an
unrealistic
expectation
of
the
current
situation
with
the
housing
crisis
and
the
opiod
overdose
crisis.
I
I
think
you
know
asking
people
to
find
somewhere
to
go
within
48
hours.
When
we
know
everything
is
full
is
unrealistic.
Y
Asking
you
know,
we
know
the
shelters
are
full.
We
know
the
warming
center
is
full.
We
can't
you
know
we
have
over
100
waiting
lists
with
the
cabin
community.
I
don't
I,
I
feel
bad
putting
people
on
the
list
at
this
point,
because
we
just
can't-
and
we
know
we
can't
accommodate
them
anytime
soon.
So
so
the
question
is:
where
do
they
go
with
a
48
hour
notice,
you're,
just
shuffling
them
and
instead
of
offering
them
stability
instead
of
instead
of
making
sure
that
their
support
workers
know
how
to
find
them?
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
I've
got
to
know
several
of
the
people
living
in
tents
over
the
winter
2021
22
and
many
people
utilize
the
warming
center
and
the
overnight
on
concession
street.
I
know
many
seek
housing
employment.
I
know
many
seek
change
of
all
types.
How
are
we
enabling
that
as
their
neighbors,
will
we
honor
the
plea
for
help?
Will
we
listen
even
a
bulldozer
operator
if
wise
slows
down,
backs
up
and
pays
attention
to
what
work
they're
doing
before
proceeding,
whether
that's
to
switch
off
or
to
continue
with
the
job.
Z
L
Z
I
think
there's
some
accuracy
to
what
you're
saying
there
counselor
neal,
and
I
appreciate
the
comment,
because
indeed
the
memorial
center
is
closer
to
my
house
as
it
is
to
council
hutchinson's
house
than
it
is
in
fact
to
the
bell
park.
However,
to
answer
the
question,
I
am
very
aware
that
there
were
people
in
tents
there.
Those
are
some
of
the
tents
I
referred
to.
I
visited
the
people
in
the
tents,
especially
on
the
colder
overnights,
when
it
was
minus,
20
and
30
to
see
how
they
were
doing.
Z
Of
course,
we
brought
food
and
that
kind
of
thing,
but
the
main
point
is
that
we
listened
to
them
and
checked
in
on
them
and
made
friends
with
some
of
them,
and
my
understanding
is
that
the
ones
who
were
left
at
the
end
there
before
they
were
asked
to
move
on,
which
was
as
you've
noted,
because
the
farmers
market
needed
to
be
on
the
grass
again
and
the
space
was
being
made
for
it.
The
last
couple
of
residents
were
able
to
find
housing.
Z
As
far
as
I
know,
I
know
that
one
of
them
is
presently
housed
in
interim
housing
by
another
neighbor
who
took
them
in.
I
think
the
missing
piece
for
me
in
that
conversation
was
the
farmers
market
and
vendors
managers
and
the
board.
I
don't
know
to
my
knowledge,
we're
not
consulted
or
asked
how
to
help
with
those
neighbors
who
were
camping
on
the
grass.
AA
Z
Thank
you
for
your
specificity.
That
is
very
helpful.
Certainly,
I
think
that
the
the
pause
as
crystal
mentioned
is
what
we
need,
as
I
said,
slowing
down
and
taking
the
time
to
think
taking
the
time
to
listen
is
essential,
so
I
would
definitely
say
that
a
pause,
no
eviction
is
is
important
and,
secondly,
I
think
that
we
can
reach
for
a
better
and
longer
vision
than
just
a
trial
period.
Z
I
think
that,
with
the
the
conversation
partners
we
have
here
tonight
and
also
with
the
great
awareness
that
several
of
the
previous
delegates
have
brought
us
to
listening
to
the
voices
of
those
who
are
under
house,
I
think
we
have
plenty
of
material
and
wisdom
to
find
a
longer
term
than
just
a
shorter-term
solution.
As
the
answer
to
how
I
would
address
the
second
motion.
AA
Thank
you
so,
just
to
be
specific,
do
you
think
a
trial
of
of
a
of
a
of
a
delineated
area
in
bell
park
that
would
allow
for
some
stability
for
these
unhoused
residents
and
then
reporting
back
on
what
you
know
what
worked
and
what
might
need
to
be
improved?
Do
you
think
it's
an
interim
solution,
or
do
you
think
we
should
go
a
different
route.
Z
I
think
that
there
is
some
value
in
that
as
a
trial,
but
I
also
think
that
there's
needed
need
for
not
only
a
longer-term
solution
at
bell
park,
but
also
for
as
one
of
the
neighbors
mentioned
a
bit
of
diversification.
As
I
hinted
in
what
I
said,
I
think
we
need
multiple
spaces.
I
recognize
that
I'll
need
a
pivot.
Z
I
also
would
say:
we've
had
two
years
to
think
about
how
to
pivot
how
to
be
nimble,
how
to
work
together
better
in
trials
and
circumstances
which
are
not
convenient,
and
so
I
think,
multiple
spaces
where
this
is
worked
out.
Other
parks,
I
mean,
if
you
were,
to
come
into
town
tonight.
It's
almost
is
it
8
pm
10-2,
so
you've
got
nowhere
to
sleep.
Where
are
you
going
to
go?
There
is
no
city
campground.
Z
I
mean
you're
going
to
be
out
of
town
by,
I
think
at
least
13
to
19
minutes.
If
there's
even
a
campground
open
there
used
to
be
one
at
lake
ontario
park,
there
used
to
be
multiple
places
where
you
could
legally
camp
there's
no
such
scenario,
so
I
think
multiple
locations
and
yes,
that
will
mean
being
nimble.
In
this
way,
we
will
need
to
extend
extra
funding
and
enable
those
from
the
integrated
care
hub
and
beyond
to
be
able
to
meet
the
needs
of
people
at
multiple
different
locations.
N
Z
I
will
reiterate
what
an
earlier
delegate
said
with
this
would
be
in
keeping
with
what
tony
said
that
it
would
need
to
be
in
consultation
with
the
person
in
question
with
the
people
in
question,
and
part
of
that
is
the
importance
of
breaking
down
the
us
them
barrier
between
those
of
us
presently
in
this
conversation
and
those
who
have
not
been
invited
to
or
joined
or
had
an
opportunity
to
be
part
of
the
conversation
yet.
So
I
think
that
the
critical
thing
is
that
we
would
need
to
ask
the
person
and
there's
multiple
different
ways.
Z
That's
played
out
in
kingston
already
to
date,
historically
thing
of
the
joseph
street
accommodations,
but
there's
also
the
person
downtown
who
had
a
need
for
new
tent
poles
earlier
today,
or
was
it
yesterday.
They
would
have
a
different
response
than
somebody
who
is
moving
from
a
high
higher
cost
apartment
to
somewhere
more
affordable
on
their
osw
or
something
else.
Z
C
A
AB
AB
Sorry,
a
week
ago,
members
of
mac
were
talking
with
encampment
residents,
doctors,
public
health
officials
and
ich
staff
about
drug
decriminalization,
a
schedule,
56
exemption
and
a
safe
supply
program.
A
safe
supply
program
would
directly
address
the
drug
poisoning
crisis
that
saw
seven
people
in
kingston
die
in
the
first
two
weeks
of
april.
AB
AB
AB
We
want
that
too,
but
we
want
people
in
the
geared
to
income
supportive
housing.
They
deserve
with
adequate
mental
health
and
addiction
treatment
programs,
including
citywide
decriminalization,
and
a
primary
care
safe
supply
program
until
that
housing
and
those
support
structures
are
built.
Pushing
people
away
from
where
they
deserve
is
dangerous
and
criminal.
AC
Thank
you,
your
worshipping
through
you,
thanks
for
that
thoughtful
reading
there.
I
guess
my
first
question
would
be
what
would
you
say
when
if,
if
I
asked
and
presented
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
these
things
are
actually
outside
the
bounds
of
what
council
can
actually
do,
such
as
decriminalization
appropriate
funding
for
mental
health
services,
a
good
portion
of
those
simply
for
a
city,
our
size
are
beyond
what
we
can
financially
afford
and
would
rightfully
rest
within
the
jurisdiction
of
the
of
the
province.
AC
AB
AC
Okay,
as
far
as
just
resource
wise,
I
mean
obviously
tru.
You
know
toronto
montreal
ottawa
much
much
larger
city
centers
than
us.
You
know
most
of
over
a
million
people,
us
being
a
city
of
you,
know
130
150
000,
just
the
resources
wise.
Would
you
agree
that
it
would
be?
We
talk
about
stability,
a
lot,
so
one
of
the
things
we're
going
to
struggle
with
is:
is
these
ad
hoc
solutions
simply
because
we
don't
have
the
funding
to
maintain
a
lot
of
whatever
comes
of
this?
AC
AB
Well,
I
think
that
it
doesn't
cost
money
to
stop
evicting,
so
I
think
I
mean
right
now.
That's
you
know.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
to
make
sure
that
people
that
stability
comes
from,
not
evicting
them
and
keeping
them
close
to
the
ich,
which
is
which
is
safer
for
them.
I
mean,
I
also
agree,
you
know
with
the
previous
speaker
who
feels
that
there
could
be
other
spaces
in
the
city
that
are
available
to
people
and
that
that's
also
not
something
that
would
take
extra
resources.
AB
A
Y
I
A
B
A
Okay,
that's
fine,
okay!
So
so
we're
going
to
move
to
new
motions.
We
have
two
new
motions.
The
first
motion
requires
a
seconder,
because
cancer
doherty
is
not
here.
Is
there
a
seconder
for
the
first
motion:
counselor,
kylie,
okay,
okay,
so
new
motion
number
one
move
by
counselor
neal
seconded
by
councilor
kylie,
whereas
there
are
a
number
of
homeless,
kingston
residents,
now
camping
behind
the
integrated
care
hub
who
are
now
at
risk
of
eviction
with
no
apparent
alternative,
whereas
this
is
a
safe
space.
A
L
Emails
to
us
opposing
the
idea
of
immediately
evicting
the
the
camp
campers
from
that
area.
We
heard
today
in
the
delegation
some
of
those
same
arguments
that
what
what's
the
alternative,
if
we
evict
them,
do
they
end
up
in
more
dangerous
situations,
living
scattered
in
their
tents
right
across
the
city?
L
I
will
say
in
advance
that
I
appreciate
the
counselor
stroud's
more
detailed
motion
and
I
will
be
supporting
it
as
well,
but
I'm
hopeful
that
there
will
be
a
pause
called
for
and
I
think
that's
what
the
va,
those
dozens
and
dozens
of
emails
that
we
received
from
constituents
were
asking
us
to
do
so.
I
look
forward
to
to
having
that
pause.
AA
I'd
like
to
ask
you
a
question
of
staff,
perhaps
ceo
hurdle
or
one
of
the
commissioners,
so
I'm
looking
at
the
be
it
resolve
clause.
It
says
current
plans
for
eviction
be
postponed
until
there's
a
clear
alternative
to
find
a
more
permanent
and
safe
housing
option.
So
with
that
wording
and
what
counselor
neil
was
just
speaking
to
that,
if
alternatives
were
were
offered,
what
would
be
what
would
be
this
scenario
if
this
passes,
if
campers
are
offered
all
housing
alternatives
would
like?
I
understand,
that's
probably
part
of
the
procedure-
that's
followed
anyway.
AD
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
mayor,
so
we
as
per
the
protocol,
what
we
would
typically
do
is
inform
the
individuals
that
are
in
encampments
of
what
the
options
are
in
terms
of
space
and
most
likely
at
the
warming
center,
as
well
as
in
from
the
cold.
The
huge
shelters
are
the
areas
where
we
would
have
space
that
we
could
offer.
AA
Thank
you,
and
I
guess
I
I
like
the
motion
it.
It
is
the
immediate
need,
that's
mentioned
by
I
counted
over
50
emails
from
concerned
residents
about
this,
about
helping
the
vulnerable,
not
victimizing
and
re-victimizing
the
vulnerable,
which
is
which
is
what
has
been
threatened.
I
do
have
a
little
bit
of
I.
AA
I
I'd
like
to
take
this
opportunity
to
just
state
for
the
record
that
I
haven't
seen
evidence
compelling
evidence
that
staff
have
started
doing
any
evictions,
so
I
think
that
that
a
lot
of
that
was
maybe
premature,
maybe
based
on
fear
and
maybe
reality
that
the
if
the
protocol
were
enforced,
it
would
lead
to
evictions,
and,
if
that
that's,
what
this
motion
addresses
is
that
that,
if,
if
we
follow
the
the
camera
protocol,
people
will
be
evicted.
So
I
guess
what
this
does
is
it.
AA
G
I
AD
AD
G
AD
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
mayor,
so
we
like,
I
said
the
protocol
applies
to
the
city-owned
land.
So,
if
we're
being
asked
to,
but
we're
not
being
asked
to
put
a
pause
on
the
protocol,
the
property
owner
still
has
its
rights,
and
my
recommendation
would
be
that
we
comply
and
work
with
the
property
owner
and
have
individuals
actually
be
situated
on
on
the
pro
city-owned
property
right
next
to
the
integrated
care
hub.
That
would
be
my
recommendation
in
order
to
not
jeopardize
our
lease
in
the
long
term.
AD
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
mayor,
so
we
based
on
my
conversations
with
the
property
owner.
If
the
city
was
non-compliant,
the
property
owner
will
be
would
be
looking
at
canceling
the
lease,
which
means
that
we
would
need
to
find
another
location
probably
fairly
quickly.
If
we
wanted
to
minimize
disruption
on
services
for
the
integrated
care
hub.
I
do
not
know
what
that
ideal
location
would
be.
AD
I
do
want
to
point
out
to
city
council,
though,
that
we're
we're
not
sure
that
there
are
currently
actual
tents
on
the
661
montreal
street
property.
There
are
some
in
the
area,
but
we
have
to
look
at
where
the
property
line
there
may
not
be
any
that
are
currently
on
the
actual
661
montreal
street
property.
But
we,
we
have
already
had
discussions
with
partners
and
they
they
understand
the
situation
and
would
be
willing
to
work
with
us
to
relocate
any
tents
on
to
a
city-owned
property.
If
there
were
any
on
the
private
property.
N
AD
Thank
you
anthony,
miss
mayor.
Yes,
that's
correct
councillor
hill,
the
landlord
does
have
a
record
of
site
condition
issued
by
the
ministry
of
environment
which,
at
this
point,
does
not
allow
for
residential
use
at
grade
level
and
that's
something
that
we
flagged.
Obviously,
when
we
established
the
integrated
care,
habitat
location-
and
we
have
also
designed
the
services
to
ensure
that
we
are
compliant
with
the
record
of
site
condition.
AD
AD
S
S
S
S
It
says
no
apparent
alternative,
so
I
asked
senior
staff.
One
of
the
things
I
felt
were
really
important
is,
and
if
I
ask
somebody
do
we
have
enough
units
and
enough
beds
to
accommodate
everybody,
and
I
didn't
hear
back,
but
presumably
there
was
some
work
done
on
this.
So
I'd
like
to
know:
do
we
have
enough,
can
we
say
we
can
accommodate
every
person?
That's
willing.
AE
Thank
you
answer
you,
mr
mayor,
so
we
have
approximately
150
different
kind
of
places
available
between
the
the
shelter
the
warming
center,
the
integrated
care
hub.
We
also
have
obviously
added
a
lot
of
different
solutions
such
as
113,
lower
union.
We
do
know-
and
that
came-
I
think-
became
clear
as
well
on
the
different
delegations
that
there
are
different
individuals
with
different
needs.
We
know
some
people
will
be
able
to
accept
and
willing
to
accept
shelter,
spaces.
AE
S
Whether
what
alternatives
there
are
in
counselor
hill,
a
couple
of
other
counselors,
were
very
good
at
pointing
out
that
the
alternatives
have
to
be
reasonable
and
that,
and
that
presumably
means
that,
if
you're
turning
them
down,
they
also
have
to
be
reasonable,
so
150
spaces.
The
first
thing
is
the
number
of
spaces
150
spaces.
S
Trying
to
figure
out
if
we're
asking
people,
we
say
we
ask
people
what
I
believe
we
do,
that
we
offer
them
a
space,
but
it's
always
been
a
bit
murky
where
there
are
enough
spaces
to
accommodate
all
the
people
that
we
ask-
and
I
just
gave
you
numbers
that
have
been
floated
around
in
reports
and
so
on.
185
207,
that
indicates
150
spaces
are
not
enough.
AE
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mayor
patterson,
it
is
a
again
and
I
it
is
a
question
that
I
think
has
has
some
complexity
in
the
answer.
I
don't
think
we
can
compare
the
the
number
on
the
biome
list
with
how
many
it
gives
us
a
good
indication
of
what
the
current
you
know
need
is
in
our
community,
but
it
will
not
identify
of
those
on
the
by
nameless
that
are
unhoused
what
what
would
be
adequate
housing
for
them
again.
AE
We
know
for
some
of
them
they
would
be
interested
and
willing
to
access
shelter,
beds.
Others
may
may
not,
and
again,
we've
also
heard
that
some
individuals
may
have
some
specific
mental
health
needs
or
specific
substance
use
needs.
So
again
we
have
added
quite
a
significant
number
of
capacity
over
the
last
two
years
we
used
to
be
at
69,
and
now
we
have
many
more
different
solutions.
AE
It
will
really
it's
really
hard
to
kind
of
say
yes
or
no
to
your
question,
because
it's
not
one
group
with
one
needs
and
one
specific
model.
I
don't
know
if
seo
hurdle
wants
to
add
to
that,
but
it
is
really
not
a
a
math
equation.
That
way
again,
what
I
will
say
is
we
have
added
a
lot
of
different
solutions.
AE
We
also
have
been
able
to
over
the
last
two
years
house
300
people
from
the
bi-name
list
successfully,
so
it
is
a
very
fluid
moving
situation.
Some
people
also
may
not
accept
the
shelter
bed
one
day
and
then,
a
few
days
later,
they
may
be
willing
to
accept
the
shelter
bed.
So
it
is
a
really
tough
one
to
to
answer.
Sorry.
I
AD
Thank
you
and
and
councillor
atchison,
maybe
just
to
provide
a
an
example
of
what
I
think
director
nordograph
is,
is
trying
to
explain.
So,
even
though
we
may
have
options
in
the
system
to
offer
to
individuals
and
those
are
primarily
in
the
shelter,
I
can
tell
you
that
we
don't
have
capacity
within
the
ich.
AD
So
I
think
you
know
in
response
to
to
your
question.
It's
really
also
going
to
be
about
looking
at
solutions
that
where
we
are
seeing
the
need
in
terms
of
the
homeless
population,
because
even
if
we
had
multiple
more
shelter
beds
to
offer,
there
are
a
number
of
individuals
for
which
that
would
not
work
or
or
they
would
not
want
to
access
those
services.
S
What
bothers
me
here
is,
I
think,
a
great
deal.
More
research
is
necessary
because
states
there's
a
safe
place,
approximately
integrated
club
and
I'm
not
convinced
to
his
entirety.
Safe,
just
like
the
encampment
a
couple
years
ago,
was
not
truly
a
safe
place
for
any
number
of
people
and
it
was
counted
as
such,
but
wasn't
actually
they
don't
think
it
was
based
on
when
I
had
been
talking
to
various
different
people.
S
S
AD
AD
So
we
do
have
a
number
of
limited
our
limitations
with
permanent
housing.
Part
of
it
is
the
fact
that
we
have
a
lack
of
housing
in
general,
counselor
hutchinson,
a
lack
of
units
not
just
affordable.
Even
when
we
have
rent
supplements,
we
have
a
hard
time
finding
housing
units
that
are
available,
so
that
is
definitely
a
component.
AD
I
also
think
that
transitional
housing
is
where
we've
been
putting
more
focus,
such
as
113,
lower
union
and
ridley.
That
will
be
coming
online
at
the
end
of
this
year
and
those
are
different
needs
for
different
individuals.
So
I
I'm
not
sure.
If
you're
asking
are
we
offering
all
of
those
services
we
we
are,
they
do
have
challenges,
but
the
definition
of
permanent,
safe
housing
may
mean
something
different
for
different
people.
S
Okay,
so
the
the
point
is
that
when
he
has
to
endorse
something
that
we
don't
know
what
it
is
or
how
long
it
will
last
many
of
us
would
call
permanent,
safe
housing.
You
know
national
apartments
or
units
bachelor
whatever,
and
what?
If
for
many
people,
are
we
talking
about
doing
this
for
months
years?.
A
Okay,
so
you're
you're
at
five
minutes,
council
hutcheson,
so
I'll.
Let
you
let
that
be
your
last
question
to
staff.
So
how
long
are
we
talking
about
that?
This
would
be
in
place,
because
I
think
that
that
was
the
question
that
you
were
asking:
how
long
until
we
have
safe
permanent
housing
in
place,
you
can
even
just
nod
your
head
was
that
right?
A
AD
I
AD
AD
So
it
would
be
for
me
to
try
to
assume
right
now.
What
exactly
are
the
needs
of
the
individuals
that
are
living
in
encampments,
and
I
don't
think
it
would
be
fair
to
do
that.
So
I
I
think
a
time
frame
would
be
extremely
difficult
to
evaluate
and
and
would
there's
no
doubt
that
it
would
take
quite
a
lot
of
time.
I
W
Thank
you,
your
worship,
I
just
have
some
questions,
so
we
heard
earlier
that
the
the
lord
are
contaminated
right
and
that's
why
people
aren't
supposed
to
be
sleeping
over
24
hours
right.
I
think
their
regulation
is
a
rest
area
for
23
hours
not
longer
than
that,
and
I
just
wondered:
are
the
lands
surrounding
the
integrated
care
hub
like
the
city-owned
lands?
Are
they
considered
contaminated
too,
or
is
it
just
specific
to
the
site
that
used
to
be?
D
Commissioner,
hugo
boss,
thank
you,
ms
marin,
through
you
so
good
question.
The
the
city-owned
lands
surrounding
the
the
ich
are
a
former
railway,
a
former
railway
lines
and
the
bell
park.
Obviously
a
former
landfill
site,
so
neither
of
these
uses
are
considered
for
typically
for
residential
use
without
detailed
investigation,
records
of
site
condition
and
risk
assessments
for
that.
W
Okay,
thank
you.
I
asked
that
question
just
because
we're
getting
a
lot
of
people
living
around
the
ich
on
on
our
city,
land
and
like
it
might
not
be
good
to
have
so
many
people
there,
as
opposed
to
other
land
that
doesn't
have
the
contamination,
but
we
all
know
that
there's
not
a
lot
of
choice
where
people
can
be
camping.
W
AD
Thank
you,
and
through
you,
mr
mayor,
so
yes,
the
individuals
are
provided
so
they're,
provided
actually
with
a
48-hour
notice
for
relocation.
There's
usually
some
support
with
street
outreach.
That
is
also
provided
during
that
period
of
time
once
they
leave
to
relocate
they
they
actually
can
come
back
so
that
that's
something
we've
seen
happen
a
number
of
times
over.
I
would
say
the
last
year,
during
the
period
of
time
that
we
implemented
the
protocol.
W
You
know
their
fences
broken
the
security
cameras
showing
at
three
o'clock
in
the
morning
people
actually
coming.
You
know
like
right
up
to
their
back
doors,
trying
the
locks
you
know
it's.
This
is
a
real,
tough
one
and
we
just
with
this
motion.
If
we
pass
this,
it
will
be
relaxing
you
know
the
the
rules
indefinitely,
which
can
lead
for
many
years
and
that's
why
I'm
afraid
to
to
support
it.
A
So
we've
discussed
this
issue
at
length
around
this
table
over
the
last
couple
of
years.
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
I
can
speak
for
all
of
council
on
this.
When
I
say
we
want
to
be
empathetic
empathetic
to
our
vulnerable
residents,
empathetic
to
the
surrounding
neighborhood
everybody
matters
and
we're
trying
to
find
that
way
to
balance
out.
How
do
we
deal
with
a
complex
issue?
A
We
all
agree
that
the
system
is
broken
and,
as
I
often
say
with
my
to
my
fellow
colleagues
other
mayors
across
the
province,
we
are
effectively
reduced
to
finding
the
best
band-aids
that
we
can
for
a
system.
That's
broken
we're
trying
to
find
that
balance.
We're
trying
to
be
empathetic,
and
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
tonight
that
has
been
raised
is
that
I
think
there's
openness
to
a
pause.
A
I
think
that's
fair.
The
issue
is
that
has
been
raised.
Is
there
is
concern
about
pausing
for
years
and
effectively?
It
will
take
years
to
get
enough
safe,
permanent
housing
in
place.
But
what,
if
we're
able
to
introduce
an
expansion
of
the
sleeping
cabin
program?
That's
temporary
housing,
but
I
would
argue,
certainly
an
improvement.
Something
that's
worked.
Well,
there
seems
to
be
a
middle
ground
here
where
we
could
find
a
pause,
that's
for
a
shorter
length
of
time
in
order
to
find
more
creative
solutions.
In
fact,
though,
I'm
not
going
to
speak
to
this
motion.
A
This
motion
is
on
the
agenda
immediately
after
this
motion.
So
what
I
would
propose
to
counsel
is
that-
and
I
agree
with
councillor
hutcheson
and
cancer
sanic-
that
I
think
the
concern
about
the
vagueness
of
this
is.
I
don't
think
I
can
support
this
motion,
but
if
the
next
motion
is
talking
about
finding
some
creative
solutions,
it
would
seem
to
me
to
make
sense
that
we
could
put
a
pause
on
evictions
until
we're
able
to
understand
what
those
creative
solutions
are
get
them
back
at
council,
and
then
we
can
make
decisions
from
there.
A
There's
there's
a
clear
middle
ground
that
I
think
works.
It's
empathetic
to
everybody.
That's
involved!
It's
clear!
It's
clear
to
staff,
it's
clear
to
the
community,
it's
clear
to
counsel
what
it
is
that
we're
talking
about.
So
I
think
that
was
the
way
that
I
will
propose.
I
won't
be
able
to
support
this
motion,
but
I
would
certainly
be
supportive
of
a
pause
if
we
look
at
the
the
second
motion.
A
F
Thank
you,
mayor,
patterson
and
through
you.
I
think
you
read
my
mind
on
that
one,
because
I
have
a
few
questions.
I
wanted
to
clarify
with
staff
that
I
think
are
very
much
in
the
same
vein.
So
the
first
is
when
we
read
in
the
motion
that
it
says
a
more
permanent
and
safe
housing
option
does
that
relate
to
what
currently
exists
on
the
ich
site
or
how
are
staff
understanding
more
permanent.
What's
the
baseline
that
we're
measuring
that
off.
AD
Thank
you,
and,
and
through
you
so
reading
the
motion,
like
you,
counselor
kylie.
I
think
the
way
that
we
understand
it
would
be
more
permanent
than
what
we
currently
offer
throughout
the
the
city,
not
just
at
the
ich
site,
but
also
people
that
are
at
bell
park
or
any
other
encampments,
because
the
enchantment
protocol
applies
to
to
the
entire
city,
and
you
know
one
could
argue.
F
Okay,
I'm
glad
I
I
wondered
out
loud
about
that,
because
what
I
thought
perhaps-
and
please
correct
me
if
this
would
be
incorrect
based
on
your
response-
is
that,
should
the
second
motion
tonight
pass
that
that
could
perhaps
constitute
more
permanent
and
safe,
because
it
would
have
some
parameters.
There's
some
guidelines,
there's
additional
work,
that's
going
into
considering
that
longer
term
structured
approach
as
much
as
it
would
be
an
encampment.
It
would
be
more
permanent
and
more
safe
than
what
we're
seeing,
which
is
haphazard
and
not
necessarily
controlled.
F
AD
AD
So
you're
right
is
it
a
bit
more
permanent
sure
is
six
months
what
we
consider
permanent,
maybe
for
some
people,
maybe
not
for
others-
and
that's
that's
the
challenge,
but
that
that
motion
does
speak
to
the
six-month
pilot
which
I
think
is
is
quite
defined,
and
at
that
point
you
know,
after
that
the
city
city
staff
would
be
reporting
back.
So
that
is
a
challenge.
F
F
But
back
to
my
comments
about
thinking
like
mayor
patterson
on
this
one,
I
was
concerned
about
the
timing
too,
and
I
was
hoping
that
I
could
offer
a
friendly
amendment
as
I'm
the
seconder
and
I'll
look
to
the
mover.
I'm
not
sure
if
this
is
an
order,
mr
mayor,
but
that
we
do
add
a
timeline
at
the
end
of
the
resolve
clause
to
be
shared
with
council
by
the
end
of
q3.
A
Okay,
so
I'm
not
trying
to
be
a
you
know,
procedural
stickler,
but,
generally
speaking
a
friendly
amendment
is
generally
for
something
more
minor.
I
think
I
think
it
is
substantive
enough
in
the
clarity
that
I
think
we
should
do
it
the
proper
way.
I'm
not
trying
to
you
know
not
try
to
influence
one
or
the
other,
but
I
think
just
for
clarity.
Servant
understands
in
case
there's
anybody
that
wants
to
debate
the
timing.
F
A
N
B
F
F
It
allows
us
to
say
we're
taking
a
breath
on
any
potential
eviction
and
gives
staff
a
bit
more
direction
lights,
a
bit
of
a
fire
to
look
for
those
more
permanent
solutions,
and
I
would
argue
to
counsel
as
well
and
perhaps
again
in
my
reading,
that
would
be
counselor
stroud's
motion
that
is
subsequent
to
the
one
before
us.
So
I
hope
everyone
can
support
this
and
I
think
that
would
mesh
the
two
motions
tonight
together
quite
nicely.
AA
I
like
the
amendment
because
it
creates
a
synergy
with
with
the
next
motion.
It's
the
same
timeline
as
the
next
motion,
perhaps
a
synergy
that
would
would
equate
to
time
saved
by
staff
because
they're
compiling
similar
information.
It
ties
the
two
motions
together
nicely
in
that
sense
and
it
it
prevents
the
scenario
council
sanik
was
saying
about
the
years
until
you.
C
AA
AC
Thank
you,
your
worship
and
through
you
just
so
I'm
clear,
because
I
feel
like
there's
still
a
little
bit
of
confusion
in
my
mind,
are
we
does
the
amendment
ask
that
a
report
comes
back
and
possible
solutions
at
that
time,
or
is
it
actually
putting
a
time
limit
and
just
extending
the
evictions
until
that
time?
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
I
guess
from
staff's
interpretation
what
this
amendment
actually
accomplishes.
AD
Thank
you
and
from
from
my
perspective,
councillor
baum.
The
amendment
would
basically
direct
staff
to
report
back
to
council
at
that
time,
with
an
update
on
the
housing
situation,
the
encampment
situation,
different
options
that
we
might
have
been
able
to
identify
in
the
interim
and
at
that
time
council
would
make
a
decision
as
to
whether
or
not
it
wants
to
continue
to
pause
or
reactivate
the
encampment
protocol.
AC
Okay,
thank
you.
So
I
still,
I
understand
the
intention
of
the
amendment.
I
still
don't
think
I
think
we're
trying
to
wordsmith
something
that's
still
too
broad.
I
don't
think
that
I
can
support
the
amendment.
I
don't
believe
I'll
support
the
original
motion
simply
because
we're
moving
the
problem
down
the
road.
This,
as
mentioned
by
most
of
the
delegations,
has
been
going
on
for
20
to
25
plus
years
in
kingston.
So
I
don't
think
six
months
is
really
going
to
just
somehow
magically
solve
this
problem.
AC
There's
not
going
to
be
some
silver
bullet
in
that
time
and
there's
also
the
second
motion
coming
right,
after
which
kind
of
speaks
to
it
a
little
bit
clearer.
So
I
don't,
I
will
not
be
supporting
the
amendment
or
the
original
motion.
It's
too
broad.
It
really,
I
think,
is
just
not
going
to
accomplish
its
intended
purpose
and
we're
going
to
get
a
report
in
six
months
and
still
have
the
same
issues
to
deal
with.
Thank
you.
A
I
know
what
council
kylie's
trying
to
do,
and
I
appreciate
the
the
attempt.
Here's
here's
my
concern:
what
if
staff,
are
able
to
report
back
to
council
with
options
before
q3
2022?
What?
If
what,
if
we're
able
to
to
move
faster,
we've,
basically
now
extended
that
timeline
potentially
beyond,
even
what
staff
need,
so
I
just
feel
that
there's
actually
less
less
give
in
that
case.
A
AD
AD
To
be
frank,
we
would
probably
time
it
with
the
report
back
on
the
second
motion
anyways,
because
we
would
need
to
report
back
to
council
with
options
around
different
encampments
options
and
solutions,
so
we
at
the
same
time
we
would
include
additional
information.
So,
for
example,
if
there
was
an
option
to
look
at
ways
to
expand
on
ich
services,
we
would
we
wouldn't
withhold
this
information
and
wait
for
months.
We
would
include
that
in
that
report,
so
we
would
do
all
of
that
with
the
reporting
back
for
motion
number
two.
So.
A
AD
So
from
a
staff
perspective:
yes,
because
we
would
pause,
there
would
be
a
pause
on
the
encampment
protocol
and
option
or
our
motion
number
two
and
we
would
be
reporting
back
on
not
only
encampment
options
that
are
directed
with
consultation
but
also
housing.
Other
housing,
permanent
housing
options.
F
A
I
A
K
K
So
the
support
that
we
recently
received
from
the
provincial
government
can
staff
provide
a
bit
more
information,
for
example,
was
that
funding
for
the
50
beds?
Did
it
have
anything
to
do
with
the
number
of
beds?
Was
it
operating
funding
versus
capital
funding?
Any
kind
of
update
on
that
would
be
good.
I
AE
Thank
you
interview,
mayor
patterson,
the
the
funding
information
was
just
or
the
specific
source
were
received
by
by
the
consortium
with
amhs,
trellis
and
kchc
about
a
week
ago.
It's
it's
mainly
focused,
there's,
there's
no
capital.
It
is
specifically
focused
on
operating
dollars
fairly,
similar
to
to
the
last
20
to
2
months
of
the
programming.
K
You
know
it
has
provided
some
level
of
security
and
stability,
so
if
so
so
I
mean
to
me.
This
sounds
like
we
need
to
see
an
expansion
of
the
ich
services.
We've
heard
from
co
hurdle
that
the
current
location
is
not
acceptable
for,
for
that
do
we
have
the
capacity
with
partners
and
with
the
current
funding
model,
to
expand
on
the
size
of
the
ich.
AD
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
mayor,
I
would
say
councillor
holland,
that
we
don't
know
at
this
point.
I
think
it
would
depend
on
how
can
we
expand
which
partner
can
contribute
to
what
part
of
the
expansion?
So
we
would
have
to
look
at
that.
We
would,
of
course,
try
to
make
it
work
within
the
approved
funding
envelope
as
much
as
possible,
but
that's
something
we
would
review
and
it
would
definitely
be
part
of
the
information
we
would
bring
back
to
city
council.
K
Okay,
great
that
that's
good
to
hear,
I
think
I
mean
all
I
will
say
is
I'm
obviously
leaning
in
favor
of
supporting
anything
that
will
ensure
that
residents
in
the
area,
first
of
all
the
priorities
that
they're
close
by
that
they
can
access
those
services,
because
I
think
we've
heard
several
times
now
from
people
at
the
consumption
treatment,
site
and
public
health
as
well,
that
the
real
crisis
is
the
toxicity
of
the
drug
supply
and
the
opioid
epidemic
in
general.
So
so
that
I
mean
that
is
an
urgent
priority.
So
anything
we.
AE
K
Do
to
ensure
that
people
have
access
to
those
services
in
the
longer
term,
in
a
really
stable
way
is
something
that
I
think
is
is
important
and
will
help.
But,
of
course
that
comes
with
this
problem
of
you
know.
As
a
number
of
delegations
have
said,
we
don't
want
to
see
everything
isolated
or
concentrated
in
one
area
either.
So
I'm
really
happy
you
know
to
be
able
to
support
staff.
I
hope
that
that's
what's
coming
forward
with
both
these
motions,
that
staff
feel
they
have
what
they
need
to
to
find
a
number
of
options.
K
Having
said
that,
I
also
realized
that
staff
worked
really
hard
to
come
up
with
options
up
until
this
point,
because
they
know
that
this
need
exists.
So
it's
it's
not
going
to
be
a
simple
road
forward,
but,
however
many
options
that
we
have
available,
I
think
it
makes
makes
it
a
better
chance
that
we'll
have
a
good
outcome
so
I'll
be
supporting
this
function.
L
A
A
Ich
also
a
success
therefore
be
resolved.
That
staff
consult
with
kfla
public
health,
the
ich
and
as
many
vulnerable
unhoused
citizens
currently
sleeping
in
bell
park
and
their
advocates
as
possible
and
with
the
assistance
of
the
above,
identify
the
following
number
one:
a
suitable
location
in
bell
park
and
in
close
walking
distance
to
the
ich
that
could
allow
for
six-month
pilot
of
a
temporary
encampment
of
sufficient
size
for
enough
campsites.
For
those
seeking
this
type
of
temporary
shelter
number
two.
What
temporary,
low-cost
facilities
are
needed.
A
One
to
four
c
budget
considerations
for
basic
services,
signage
perimeter,
markings
and
any
other
related
costs
needed
to
satisfy
the
above,
including
sources
of
any
funding
that
may
be
available,
and
the
staff
report
back
by
the
end
of
q3
2022.
Before
the
end
of
the
pilot
with
findings
and
recommendations
on
next
steps
to
help
vulnerable
and
homeless
individuals
in
kingston
councillor
stroud,
you
have
the
floor.
AA
A
A
C
AA
C
AA
AA
It
was
actually
a
pretty
strong
success,
as
we
heard
at
a
recent
meeting
and
the
reason
it
was
a
success
was
a
lot
of
it
was
the
sense
of
community
that
developed
there,
and
you
know
the
community,
the
residents
supporting
each
other,
but
also
between
the
volunteers
and
the
residents
and
between
the
neighborhood
and
the
residents
it
was.
It
was
a
success
all
around
and
miss
wilson
spoke
to
that
again
tonight.
So
this
is
another
one
of
those
types
of
things.
It's
it's
an
attempt
to
find
another
type
of
housing
option.
AA
Now
an
encampment
can
accommodate
a
larger
number
of
people
than
10
in
in
sleeping
cabins,
albeit
with
maybe
not
the
same
luxury.
We
heard
that
as
well
from
miss
wilson
tonight.
However,
it
may
be
an
option-
that's
that's
very
close
to
the
reality
around
the
ich
already,
and
it
may
be
an
easier
sell
to
ask
someone.
You
know
you
can't
camp
right
here,
but
you
can
camp
right
over
there
because
we've
identified
it
and
it
we've.
AA
We've
got
some
basic
facilities
there
for
you,
and
can
we
help
you
move
your
tent
over
you
know
and
that
kind
of
helpful
dialogue
is,
is
a
huge
part
of
this
motion
as
well,
so
the
consultation
that
needs
to
happen.
It
needs
to
happen
with
the
professionals
at
the
ich
and
public
health
and
also
with
the
campers
themselves.
If
we
establish
that
trust
relationship
rather
than
thinking
of
always
evicting
them
or
moving
them
on
it
becomes
more
of
a
hey
how's
it
going.
What
can
we
do
to
help?
AA
Did
you
know
you
have
these
housing
options
and
one
of
those
we're
adding
to
it
with
this
motion,
which
is,
if
you
want
it,
you
want
to
be
outside
for
the
summer.
That's
fine
over
here
is
a
safe
spot
for
you.
So
there's
a
lot
of
detail
that
needs
to
be
gathered
by
staff,
so
this
is
by
no
means
a
done
deal.
This
is
like
the
starting
the
ball.
Rolling
staff
needs
to
come
back
and
you'll
see
the
claws
with
a
report
with
with
some
of
those
details.
AA
AD
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
mayor,
so
the
counselor's
drought
is
correct.
We
had
a
conversation
about
this,
and
talking
about
before
council
makes
a
decision
as
far
as
an
encampment
or
encampments
staff
reporting
back
with
some
options
costing
and
more
information
as
to
what
kind
of
rules
could
be
applied
and,
of
course
we
would
do
that
in
consultation.
AD
As
per
the
motion
with
our
partners,
people
that
are
living
in
encampments
etc,
and
we
would
bring
that
information
back
to
council
and
we
believe
that
we
could
bring
something
back
to
council
in
june
in
terms
of
options
for
encampments.
If
that's,
what
council
would
like
for
for
us
to
consider,
so
it
could
be
different
locations,
and
it
will
be
based,
of
course,
on
the
input
that
we
are
receiving
from
the
community.
C
AA
And
it
says
you
follow
these
rules
in
exchange
for
the
use
of
the
land
that
actually
moves
us
forward
in,
in
the
conversation
and
in
the
relationship
to
where
we
have
something
that
that
maybe
can
be
sustained,
because
everybody
is
now
living
by
a
simple
set
of
rules
around
tidiness
and
safety.
Thank
you.
AD
Thank
you
and
through
mr
mayor.
Yes,
that's
the
understanding
and
from
that
point
on
council
would
make
a
decision
as
far
as
where
council
may
want
to
allow
the
encampments
to
take
place
and
staff
would
look
to
counsel
for
some
direction
in
terms
of
the
other
locations
and
whether
or
not
the
encampment
protocol
would
apply.
A
AD
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
mayor,
so
there
will
be
some
high
level
com
consultation
with
neighborhood
because
of
the
time
frame
that
we're
looking
at.
We
know
that
those
are
not
going
to
be
in-depth
engagement
processes
with
the
neighborhood,
but
we
will
provide
an
opportunity
for
the
neighborhood
to
to
give
us
some
feedback.
A
A
A
So
I
think
for
that
reason
I
would.
I
would
suggest,
voting
against
that
last
clause.
It's
something
that
we
can
always
add
in
once.
We
decide
to
actually
pursue
a
pilot,
but
until
we
know
exactly
what
we're
doing,
I
would
reserve
the
right
to
make
further
judgments
and
decisions
based
on
on
what
that
is,
but
everything
else
in
the
motion,
but
asking
staff
for
more
information
and
then
making
decisions
on
that.
I'm
fine
with
that.
N
Thank
you,
worship.
I
actually
would
disagree
with
that,
and
the
reason
that
I
I
would
disagree
with
that
is
because
I
think
what
we
want
to
do
by
the
time
this
pilot
is
done
is
have
some
solutions
in
place.
So
a
report
that
comes
to
us
earlier
would
provide
us,
hopefully
with
some
of
those
solutions,
and
hopefully
we
could
have
them
implemented
in
time
for
the
end
of
the
pilot
project,
so
I
would
actually
prefer
to
see
it
stay
the
same
as
it
is
currently.
Thank
you.
W
Thank
you,
your
worship,
I
did
want
to
move
an
amendment.
I
was
asleep
at
the
wheel
right
before
he
spoke.
I
do
want
to
move
an
amendment.
The
clerks
have
it
and
I
just
want
to
formally
put
into
the
motion
the
consultation
with
the
neighborhood
just
because
we
got
a
letter
this
week
and
then
the
neighborhood
made
valid
points
we
did
consult
with
for
the
sleeping
cabins,
livable
solutions.
They
did
consult
with
the
porch
milk
association
neighborhood
and
for
the
move
to
center
70,
which
we
vote
on
on
tuesday
night.
W
There
was
consultation
with
the
reddingdale
neighborhood
and
I
think
it's
only
fair
to
you
know
receive
input.
I
I
know
that
the
report
that
we
got
a
few
months
ago
did
consultation
with
the
neighborhood,
but
I
think
we
need
to
do
consultation
wherever
we're
going
to
put
this
pilot
project
area
to
get
there.
A
A
Okay,
the
residence
in
the
immediate
vicinity
of
bell
park
in
the
ich
toritas
follows
therefore
be
resolved.
That
staff
consult
with
kflna
public
health,
the
ich
the
residents
in
the
immediate
vicinity
of
bell
park
in
the
ich
and
as
many
vulnerable
unhoused
citizens
currently
sleeping
in
bell
park
and
their
advocates
as
possible
and
with
the
assistance
of
the
above.
Okay.
A
A
I
AD
Thank
you
and
through
the
beauty
mayor,
so
we
would
be
primarily
looking
at
those
solutions,
but
based
on
the
feedback
that
we
would
get
from
the
community.
We
would
also
consider
other
options,
because
I
think
what
we
heard
is
different
needs
for
different
members
of
the
community.
Some
do
want
to
be
close
to
the
ich
for
services,
but
others
may
not
actually
want
that.
So
it
may
include
some
options
for
encampments
that
are
in
other
areas
as
well
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
population.
AD
C
A
A
A
W
Yeah,
I'm
open
to
that
when
I
did
this
amendment
last
night,
I
didn't.
I
didn't
speak
to
anyone
and
I
didn't
realize
that
other
areas
other
than
bell
park
were
being
considered.
I
know
that
yeah
and
we
need
consultation,
no
matter
what
site
is
selected,
and
so
I'm
open
I'm
open
to
that.
So,
mr
clerk,
am
I
allowed
to
make
an
amendment
right
now
to
that
wording,
or
do
you
want
someone
else
on
council
to
amend
the
amendment.
G
A
A
A
H
Yeah,
thank
you,
mary
patterson,
and
I
do
want
to
thank
the
the
mover
for
this
and
allowing
me
to
second
it
and,
but
I
also
want
to
say
he's
done
all
the
work
and
with
staff
so,
but
I
I
I
just
think
it
is
a
good
motion
and
something
that
gives
us
and
staff,
hopefully
something
to
work
with,
and
maybe
I
want
to
ask
staff
that
question
as
well
the
the
couple
of
the
clause.
Three.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
from
my
contact
with
the
community
people
wanted
to.
H
H
AE
Thank
you
and
to
you
mayor
patterson,
thanks
for
thanks
for
that
question.
I
think
what
what
we
would
first
do
is
is
make
sure
that
we
engage
with
the
individuals.
Camping
in
various
campsites
also,
obviously
include
our
key
partners,
and
we've
already
had
some
conversations
with
our
partners.
We
have
various
of
them
that
are
working
with
with
individuals
that
are
camping,
so
I
think
that
will
be
really
important.
Important
starts
to
understand
like
what
would
be
some
key
rules,
regulations,
kind
of
or
some
some
things
that
we
need
to
consider.
AE
I
I
would
also
see
some
work
with
you
know,
talking
to
other
cities,
other
you
know
examples
of
again
there's
lots
of
similar
situations
across
the
province
and
across
the
country.
It
certainly
will
add
to
to
some
of
the
work
that
we're
doing,
but
but
we
also
know
that
this
is
a
very
important
part
of
of
the
continuum
of
the
of
the
housing
conversation
that
that
we
that
we're
we're,
obviously
trying
to
to
assess.
AE
H
I
think
that
we've
we've
learned
a
lot
even
again
further
tonight,
of
how
how
we
can
go
about
this.
So
I'm
I'm
pleased
to
support
it
and
I'm
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
move
forward
and
and
and
find
the
success
that's
made
in
kingston
solution
as
well.
So
I'm
happy
to
support
this
and
I
think
the
the
motion
again.
AC
AC
There's.
This
is
not
a
new
problem,
it's
unfair
to
say
it's
a
it's
a
municipal
problem
because
it
happens
in
the
municipality
which
is
true
and
we
we
live
it.
We
see
it
we're
approached
every
day
on
it,
but
we
need
to
be
honest
with
everyone,
who's
watching
right
now
and
everybody
who's
affected
by
this.
This
is
not
a
municipal.
This
is
not
just
a
venison
per
problem,
it's
a
provincial
problem
and
even
beyond
that,
it's
a
federal
problem.
There's
an
affordability
crisis
across
our
entire
nation.
AC
So
even
in
supporting
this
motion,
I
think
we
need
to
be
realistic,
that
there's
no
silver
bullet
here.
So
I'd
ask
everybody
that
emailed
all
of
council
constantly
because
we
are
closest
to
to
the
ground
and
we
do
get
all
these
emails
reach
out
to
mpp
candidates
reach
out
to
mp
candidates
reach
out
to
sitting
mpps
reach
out
to
sitting
mps
because
the
dollars
and
the
ideas
and
the
power
to
truly
solve
this
and
make
a
difference
has
to
flow
from
that
level.
AC
Down
to
municipalities,
even
the
integrated
care
hub
for
all
its
abilities,
we
could
only
fund
temporarily
and
if
that
provincial
funding
disappears,
let's
be
honest,
it
will
cease
to
exist.
We
cannot,
as
a
municipality,
afford
all
these
things.
We
just
simply
to
be
honest,
do
not
have
the
resources,
we
cannot
create
money
out
of
thin
air
if
somebody
has
a
money
tree
planted
in
their
backyard,
please
give
it
to
the
municipality
so
that
everybody
can
have
all
these
resources
that
we
so
desperately
need.
AC
Well,
we'll
provide
a
little
bit
of
a
temporary
pass
here
or
we'll
we'll
give
six
months,
and
I
I
would
almost
you
know,
be
willing
to
bet
that
within
a
month
or
two
we're
back
in
the
exact
same
position
and
then
it's
well
another
two
month
pass
and,
and-
and
that
is
what
I
don't
want
to
happen
here-
I
don't
want
to
create
that
false
hope
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
do
something
magically
while
lacking
the
resources
to
do
so.
Those
resources
need
to
come
from
the
higher
levels
of
government.
AC
Those
policies
need
to
be
affected.
Let's
be
honest,
can
kingston
really
affect
the
in
the
inflation
of
the
entire
country?
No,
no.
Not,
realistically
can
we
solve
the
affordable
housing
crisis
in
our
city
alone,
not
not
with
the
current
policies
from
provincial
governments,
so
I
mean
realistically
we
can
keep
pushing
this
problem
down
the
road,
but
I'd
ask
people
to
you
can't
just
look
to
us
to
solve
it
as
a
council,
whether
it's
13
of
us
sitting
here
or
13
different
people,
the
rules,
the
resources
are
simply
not
there.
AC
We
will
come
up
with
the
best
creative
solutions,
but
without
those
resources
backing
it,
it's
not
going
to
be
if,
if
it
could
have
been
done
easily,
it
would
have
been
done
by
previous
council.
So
I
just
want
everybody
to
realize
when
we
support
this,
that
we
are
buying
time,
but
whether
it's
six
months
or
another,
six
years,
without
some
changes
at
the
higher
levels
of
government,
it's
not
going
to
have
much
of
an
effect
here.
So
I
thank
the
mover
and
the
seconder.
I
know
everybody
wants
to
see
this
solved.
AC
I
know
people's
hearts
are
in
the
right
places.
I
just
think
we
need
to
be
realistic
about
what
tangible
results
we're
actually
going
to
be
able
to
achieve
within
that
time
frame
and
remember
that
we're
a
municipal
government
and-
and
you
know,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
look
at
the
state
of
our
roads-
look
at
the
state
of
a
lot
of
our
other
infrastructure.
It's
also
falling
apart,
so
without
support
from
those
higher
levels.
AC
J
Thank
you
and
through
mr
mayor.
Well,
thanks
council
boom.
I
I
fear
that
you're
probably
right.
I
think
this
I'm
definitely
supporting
the
motion.
I
think
it'll
help
us
with
some
solutions,
hopefully,
but
but
you're
right.
We
need
the
help
from
other
government
levels
of
government
because
in
fact
it
was
their
policies
who
many
that
manufactured
these
challenges
in
the
first
place.
That's
why
social
housing
wasn't
built.
We
we
meant
that
we
didn't
invest
in
mental
health
as
much
as
we
should.
We
closed
institutions
as
we
heard
from
earlier
delegations.
J
This
is
as
much
as
a
healthcare
crisis
as
it
is
a
housing
crisis
and
the
municipality
is
not
in
charge
of
health.
We
are
doing
our
best
and
I
heard
the
mayor
saying
earlier.
I
forget
expression,
but
it
was
something
about
mandates,
and
that
is
exactly
what
this
feels
like
we're
doing.
Band-Aids,
but
some
you
know
when
you
fall,
you
do
still
need
a
band-aid,
so
I'm
glad
we're
doing
this,
but
we
do
have
to
manage
expectations.
J
I
really
do
hope
that
you
encourage
people
to
ask
if
the
other,
the
the
candidates
that
are
running
right
now,
for
him
for
provincial
politics
that
they're
going
to
try
to
change
this.
Unfortunately,
I
hardly
heard
anything
about
poverty
in
the
federal
election,
this
time
that
we
really
pick
the
phones
up
and
and
contact
the
other
levels
of
government,
because
we
need
the
help
and,
most
importantly,
the
most
vulnerable
people
in
our
communities
and
the
communities
across
canada
need
to
help
things.
S
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
would
I'm
totally
in
support
of
the
previous
two
speakers,
who
are
simply
just
in
case
of
real
politics
that
I
mean
we
have
spent
in
this
city,
36
million
dollars
in
the
last
year
or
so
for
239
units.
So
that
tells
you
how
expensive
it
is,
and
the
taxpayers
in
terms
of
property
taxes
can't
afford
that
you
can
afford
to
do
that,
because
we
have
federal
support
some
small
amount
of
problems,
the
problem
with
this,
this
motion.
S
S
The
perhaps
my
attitude
is
different
because
in
part,
because
there's
a
question
of
eviction,
what
is
it
I'm
not
for
the
wholesale
eviction,
but
don't
realize
that
the
protocol
was
working.
Basically,
it
was
that
staff
went
they
went.
They
gave
people
the
option
of
going
someplace
better.
That's
why
I
was
so
adamant
about
how
many
spaces
are.
Can
you
actually
accommodate
these
people
and
they,
when
they,
they
gave
them
48
hours
to
move
on
and
the
what
was
actually
happening?
S
How
that
system
was
actually
working
is
they
came
back
usually
and
they'd
be
gone,
but
two
three
days
later,
they
were
back,
so
they
were
probably
just
a
different
part
of
the
park.
So
is
that
eviction?
Well,
it
is
in
a
way
and
in
another
way
it
isn't
so
what
this
does
is
sort
of
reinstate
the
the
encampment
at
the
front
of
the
park
from
two
years
ago,
six
month,
pilot
temporary
campus
official
size
for
enough
campsites.
S
What's
the
difference,
and
now
I
gotta
tell
you
for
the
neighborhood
was
a
disaster:
okay,
it
was
really
bad
and
the
fortunate
there
were
enough
counselors.
That
seemed
to
realize
that.
But
this
this
particular
thing
just
reinstates
that
and
doesn't
solve
anything.
Okay,
we'll
be
back
as
council
bomb
said,
and
you
know
the
hell
of
some
hope.
S
S
S
S
So
what
this
does?
It
says
what
you're
going
through
in
the
neighborhood
you're
going
to
have
to
continue
to
this
tells
them
they
have
to
go
for
another
six
months
and
who
knows
how
long
that's
not
right?
None
of
you
personally
or
in
your
neighbor's
neighborhood
would
want
this
about
that.
It's
a
matter
of
conscience.
S
S
S
So
one
of
the
comments
from
the
residents
and
myself
and
others
is
that
there's
too
much
being
attempted
too
small
a
space
and
they
may
be
doing
a
very
good
job
with
what
they've
got,
but
we
need
to
facilitate
that.
The
previous
motion
did
say
something
about
that,
so
that
that
was
one
plus
and
that's
what
I've
got
to
say.
Thank
you.
F
C
F
D
F
AA
C
AA
An
elephant
one
bite
at
a
time
right.
This
motion
is
an
attempt
to
move
the
conversation
forward
to
evolve
the
conversation
from
where
we
were
when
it
started.
We
all
know
the
impact
that
it
had
on
council,
hutchinson's,
neighborhood
and,
and
unfortunately,
a
lot
of
that
not
only
is
caused
by
this
nation,
actually
global
housing
crisis,
it's
exacerbated
by
the
fact
that
we
have
an
opioid
crisis
right.
We
have
a
drug
poisoning
crisis
as
well,
and
then
we
have
a
pandemic
that
accelerates
everything
and
multiplies
all
the
health
problems.
AA
At
the
same
time,
in
fact,
that's
the
pandemic,
even
if
you
didn't
get
coveted
everybody
got
sicker.
Everybody's
mental
health
got
worse.
Everybody's
cardiac
health
got
worse.
Everybody's
fitness
got
worse,
it's
it's
a
gloomy
world.
If
you're
really
honest
about
what
happened
with
this
pandemic,
so
rather
than
just
throw
over
hands,
you
know.
Oh
well,
there's
nothing.
We
can
do
this
motion
attempts
in
one
small
way
to
move
us
forward,
and
how
does
it
do
that
the
encampment
is
already
there,
but
this
one
adds
a
few
simple
rules
and
a
safer
location.
AA
That's
delineated
by
signs.
Anyone
coming
to
the
encampment
location
will
be
aware
that
there's
an
encampment
there
from
the
signs
the
city
will
be
involved
in
setting
up.
You
know
the
basic
ground
rules
for
the
space
that
is
moving
us
forward.
We
don't
have
that
now
we
have
an
unregulated
pop-up
encampments
and
it's
not
just
in
bell
park
that
there
are
encampments
in
my
district
as
well,
and
rather
than
go
and
chase
them
off
all
the
time.
I'd
like
to
you
know,
go
up.
AA
Introduce
myself
as
counselor
neil
was
telling
me
he
did
at
the
memorial
center.
You
know
find
out
what
their
issues
are.
Why
did
they
set
up
here?
Exactly?
What
do
they
need
about
this
location?
What
do
they
like?
That
kind
of
thing?
We
can't
move
the
ich
right
now,
but
maybe
we
should
have
more
than
one
ich.
Maybe
we
need
multiple
ichs
across
the
city
and
spread
this
problem
out
a
little
bit
more,
so
it
doesn't
tax
one
neighborhood
quite
as
much.
AA
I
think
that's
a
valid
point,
and
hopefully
that's
something
we
can
explore
when
we
get
the
information
back
from
staff.
I
I
thank
everyone
for
putting
on
your
thinking
caps
on
this
one,
finding
different
ways
to
point
out:
what's
good
about
it
and
and
how
it
can
help.
Having
that
helpful
attitude
say
that
to
my
kids
all
the
time,
you
know
you
can
complain,
but
you
need
to
offer
solutions
that
are
better.
If
you
don't
like
something,
what
would
you
prefer
if
you
don't
want
chicken?
What
would
you
prefer
you
know?
AA
AD
Thank
you
and
through
and
I'm
sorry.
I
know
there
wasn't
a
staff
question,
but
I
I
do
feel
that
I
should
clarify
this
point
to
make
sure
that
it
is
clear
for
council
and
the
public,
although
we
will
not
be
enforcing
the
encampment
protocol.
If
there
are
health
and
safety
issues,
life
safety
issue,
where
we're
directed
by
the
fire
department
to
take
some
action.
We
would
do
that
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that's
clear
in
case.