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From YouTube: Kingston, Ontario - City Council - February 1, 2022
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City Council meeting from February 1, 2022. For full meeting agenda visit https://bit.ly/32SD1BB
A
As
the
mayor
of
the
city
of
kingston,
I
offer
these
words
in
the
spirit
of
this
gathering.
Let
us
bring
our
good
minds
and
hearts
together
as
one
to
honor
and
celebrate
these
traditional
lands
as
the
gathering
place
of
the
original
peoples
and
their
ancestors
who
are
entrusted
to
care
for
mother
earth
since
time
and
memorial.
B
Yes,
mayor
patterson,
we
have
quan
at
this
time.
I
would
like
to
confirm
that
all
members
of
council
are
present
from
staff.
We
have
lanny
hurdle
chief
administrative
officer,
paige
agnew,
commissioner
of
community
services,
craig
desjardins
acting
commissioner
corporate
services,
peter
hugonboss,
commissioner
of
business
environment
projects.
B
A
A
A
Interests-
okay,
I'm
not
seeing
any
so
we
will
move
on.
We
have
no
presentations
this
evening,
but
we
do
have
two
delegations,
so
first
at
this
time
I'll
invite
sabine
islam
and
islam
al-qarazati
to
appear
before
council
to
speak
to
new
motion
number
three
with
respect
to
anti-islamophobia
and
bill
21,
and
just
a
reminder
to
our
delegations
that
you
have
five
minutes
to
speak
and
then
I
will
open
it
up
to
the
floor.
Two
questions
from
members
of
council.
C
Thank
you.
I'd
like
to
ask
sister
sabine
as
well
to
to
join,
but
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
to
meet
with
us.
My
name
is
islam
al-krasadi,
I'm
the
isk
islamic
society
of
kingston
president
and
sister,
sabrina
islam
is
the
I
know
relation
her.
Her
last
name
is,
is
my
first
name,
but
she
is.
She
is
a
representative
on
islamophobia
on
the
file
of
islamophobia,
so
I'll.
Let
her
speak
first.
D
D
On
saturday,
we
commemorated
the
solemn
anniversary
of
the
murder
of
six
innocent
souls
who
were
gunned
down
while
praying
at
the
quebec
city
mosque.
Many
faith
and
community
leaders,
including
including
mayor
patterson,
spoke
of
their
solidarity
with
the
muslim
community
and
the
need
to
fight
hate.
Mayor
patterson
pledged
his
support
to
this
motion,
for
which
we
are
grateful.
D
The
perpetrator
of
the
new
zealand
mosque
attack
cited
the
quebec
city
attack
as
inspiration
after
the
london
attack
at
the
vigil
here
in
kingston
and
in
the
days
to
follow
members
of
the
muslim
community
were
targeted
bill,
21,
normalizes
hate,
and
without
confronting
it
it
will
affect
the
lives
of
kingstonians.
This
is
not
just
a
quebec
issue.
This
is
a
kingston
issue.
D
Today
we
are
here
to
ask
the
city
of
kingston
to
send
a
strong
message
to
all
those
who
espouse
sentiments
of
hate
that
we
in
kingston
will
not
stand
for
it.
We
ask
our
marin
council
to
not
just
show
it
with
words
or
motions,
but
with
action
we
ask
that
the
cost
of
this
legal
burden
of
standing
up
for
religious
freedom
is
not
placed
solely
on
the
backs
of
racialized
and
marginalized
people.
The
province
of
quebec
has
their
entire
tax
base
at
the
their
mercy
for
this
legal
challenge.
D
C
So
those
are
the
six
proposals
that
the
national
council
of
canadian
muslims
is
putting
forward
in
along
with
part
of
the
the
first
proposal
that
sister
sabina
had
put
on.
So
we're
we're
asking
for
the
sake
of
of
trying
to
be
on
the
right
side
of
history.
I
guess
for
for,
to
quote
a
famous
term,
is
to
try
and
stop
this
canadians
are
a
part
of
of
your
community
they're,
a
part
of
the
fabric
of
this
of
this
society.
C
I
myself
am
a
serving
member
with
the
forces
21
years.
There
are
others
that
are
in
in
in
strong
position
key
positions
around
the
city,
from
the
medical
sector,
to
the
engineering
sector
and
so
on
so
forth.
And
we
ask
that
our
that
those
those
issues
with
islamophobia
specifically
to
two
key
things,
which
is
to
help
funding
anti-islamophobia
initiatives
through
bylaw.
C
Bylaw
changes
so
to
to
stop
hate,
and
now
that's
not
just
for
for
muslims,
but
it's
also
for
for
all
people
who
are
don't
exactly
who
might
not.
According
to
some
people,
say
they
fit
the
norm,
newcomers
to
the
country
and
then
also
the
the
second
one,
which
is
to
have
public
education
campaigns
about
the
differences.
C
A
E
E
D
Thank
you,
counselor
sonic.
So
would
you
like
me
to
share
some
of
my
like
a
little
bit
of
both
or
sure
sure
thank
you,
okay,
so
in
so
I've
had
experiences
in
many
different
places.
Unfortunately,
but
in
kingston
two
notable
ones,
I
would
say
would
be
one
when
my
children
were
in
elementary
school.
One
of
them
was
ill,
so
I
went
to
school
pick
up
the
other
child
to
pick
up
some
of
that.
D
My
younger
son's
homework
as
well.
So
I
had
an
arm
full
of
books
and
I
was
walking
out
in
front
of
the
school
and
I
also
volunteered
with
the
school.
So
there
was
a
gentleman
who
was
sort
of
looking
at
me
to
me.
He
seemed
somewhat
confused,
like
maybe
he
was
looking
for
a
child
or
a
grandchild.
He
was
supposed
to
pick
up
so
I
approached
him
said
you
know.
D
D
D
You
know
all
the
parents
were
leaving,
and
this
was
at
the
invista
center
and
somebody
who
I
didn't
recognize
came
up
to
me
and
handed
me
a
pamphlet
and
it's
had
something
about
islam
on
the
front,
and
I
was
like
oh
thanks.
I
thought
maybe
she
was
trying
to
like
make
a
connection
or
something,
and
then
she
left
immediately
and
when
I
started
reading
it.
It
was
the
most
hateful
messages
about
my
faith
and
about
you
know
muslim
people,
and
you
know,
as
an
adult,
you're
fine.
D
I
can
deal
with
this
like
I
was
shaken,
but
I
can
deal
with
it.
My
immediate
concern
was
this
person
knows
who
I
am.
Does
she
then
know
who
my
child
is?
Who
has
his
name
islam
written
across
the
back
of
his
jersey
and
will
there
be
any
repercussions
for
him
on
the
ice
potentially
so
that
that
was
extremely
scary?
And
you
know
you
think
about
when
we
walk
into
the
parking
lot,
what
will
happen
and
so
on
and
so
forth?
D
But
on
the
flip
side,
I
think
me
being
in
certain
spaces,
leads
to
positive
conversations.
So
I
coach,
I
coach
curling
and
I've
coached
for
almost
20
years,
and
you
know
kids
come
up
to
me
and
ask
questions
because
I
might
be
the
only
person
who
wears
hijab
that
they've
ever
met.
I
might
be
the
only
muslim
person
that
they
know
one
young
man
on
the
competitive
team.
D
I
remember
when
my
younger
son
was
in
montessori
school
and
I
started
wearing
hijab
and
some
of
the
kids
were
asking
the
teachers
you
know
like
comrade's
mom
looks
different.
What's
up
that
all
about
and
they
asked
me
if
I
would
talk
to
the
kids
about
it
and
the
kids
had.
You
know
all
sorts
of
like
very
natural
questions,
and
I
was
happy
to
talk
to
them
about
it.
D
So
I
think
it's
important
to
be
in
spaces
and
to
be
able
to
share
our
our
stories
and
experiences,
and
I
think
it
makes
our
society
better
by
learning
from
each
other
and
and
understanding
each
other
rather
than
you
know,
being
afraid
of
each
other
and
isolating
people
from
one
another.
So
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
important
to
be
able
to
express
your
your
religion
right,
I'm
not
out
there
standing
on
a
platform
trying
to
convert
people,
I'm
I'm
you
know
just
trying
to
live.
C
If
I
can
jump
on
this
briefly
counselor
just
to
highlight
in
2015
an
angus
reid
survey
said
that
44
of
canadians
said
they
dislike
muslims.
I
don't
know
if,
in
the
trump
era
I
don't
know
if
he
noticed
it
or
not,
there
was
a
lot
of
vitriol.
That
was
said,
that's
not
to
say
that
everybody
does
and
there
are
positive
experiences,
but
those
negative
experiences
have
an
impact
and
those
negative
experiences
make
people
shy
away.
C
My
wife
is
new
brunswick
she's,
a
british
empire
loyalist
doc,
but
she
converted
to
islam-
and
my
girls
were
born
across
this
country
and
when
they're
asked
where
they
come
from,
the
implication
there
is
that
they
don't
belong
here.
So
we're
asking
that
that
the
contributions
of
those
young
girls
which
are
visible
more
so
the
the
are
women
than
than
the
men
are,
are
respected
right.
These
girls
could
grow
up
solve
cancer.
F
Sorry,
just
coming
off
me
there.
Okay,
thank
you
this
this
was.
This
was
answered
to
some
extent,
but
I'll
pose
this
two-part
question.
I
was
really
mostly
interested
in
what
what
the
delegations
were
saying
in
regards
to
the
burden
of
individual
muslims,
in
particular
in
fighting
islamophobia,
and
if
you
would
so,
I
know,
counselor
sana's
question
really
kind
of
got
to
the
got
to
some
aspects
of
that.
D
D
So
I
think
we
need
to
structurally
address
that
and
and
that's
what
some
of
this
is
doing,
I
mean
you
know
black
indigenous
racialized,
marginalized
people
will
tell
you,
yes
we're
the
ones
that
have
to
stand
up
and
do
the
work
usually
because
we're
the
we
have
to
live
it
every
day.
So
it'd
be
great.
D
Basically,
that's
that's
important
right
because,
as
leaders
people
look
to
what
elected
officials
do
and-
and
you
know
right
now-
people
are
looking
in
quebec
at
what
those
elected
officials
are
doing
so
we're
you
know
as
muslims
we're
looking
at
the
rest
of
canada
and
saying
hey
like
we
need
a
little
support
here
and
you
know
not
just
muslims,
but
I'm
speaking
for
myself.
You
know
that
we
need
support
to
to
make
sure
that
this
doesn't
happen
somewhere
else
and
people
are
like.
You
know.
D
C
Brother,
if
I
can
have,
if
I
can
jump
in
on
on
that
one
as
well,
so
in
any
society,
the
elite
dictates
culture
leaders
dictate
culture
for
any
society.
So
you
are
leaders
of
this
in
in
this
community,
and
this
council
has
a
set
standards
and
sets
patterns
that
are
accepted
or
not
we're
living
through
it.
C
Now,
with
some
other
regulations
that
that
get
placed
in
order
to
say
what's
acceptable
and
what's
not
so
what
we're
asking
for
is
things
along
the
lines
of
celebrating
the
diversity,
and
this
is
not
just
a
islamophobia-
is
only
a
part
of
a
larger
issue
of
hate
and
and
marginalizing
certain
groups.
You
have
a
lot
of
potential
within
we
have
a.
We
have
a
lot
of
potential
within
kingston
and
canada.
Kingston
is
becoming
a
more
attractive
place
for
for
people
moving
in
here
I
for
one,
I'm.
C
I
grew
up
in
toronto,
but
I've
now
being
in
the
military,
I'm
hoping
to
stay
here
for
a
while,
so
and
potentially
for
the
rest
of
my
life.
But
so
we
have.
You
have
a
part
in
in
celebrating
the
diversity
that's
available
in
your
city.
Part
of
it
is
you
know
a
simple
example
for
education
is
the
town
square
is
beautiful,
but
there
are
christmas
trees
that
are
put
up
for
christmas.
C
What
about
every
other
holiday
that
that
the
community
has
that
that
should
get
recognized
right
from
today,
yeah
being
the
first
is
the
lunar
new
year
for
for
the
east
asian
community?
Also,
you
know,
diwali
was
in
in
the
fall.
Ramadan
is
coming
up
shortly.
There's
those
should
be
opportunities
and
that
square
should
be
made
public
for
for
celebrating
those
things
or
even
a
simple
message
that
goes
up
there.
C
Those
little
things
do
count
in
that
it
allows
people
to
be
educated
on
sort
of
the
celebrations
that
are
going
on
within
their
community
and
hey.
Why
not
have
have
that
square
partying
it
up
every
I
mean
not
the
queen
students,
but
just
to
throw
a
little
dig
in
there,
but
for
for
the
general
community
abroad
across
across
the
spectrum.
You
know
I
sk.
Might
I
don't
know.
C
I
have
to
talk
to
the
other
people,
but
we
might
ask
to
have
varied
prayers
there
at
the
end
of
ramadan
in
the
square.
If,
if
that's
feasible,
anyways
those
are
those
are
little
things,
but
it's
setting
the
culture.
It's
allowing
the
the
community
to
see
that
you're
more
accepting
of
everybody.
I
don't
want
to
take
up
the
time,
but
yeah
you're
over
two.
D
I
guess
I'll
go
first
again,
I
think
both
are
important
right.
I
don't
think
we
need.
I
don't
think
it's
a
choice
where
we
have
to
say
we
we
will
do
one
or
the
other
as
a
city.
There
are
there's.
Definitely
you
know,
I'm
I'm
sure
the
city
has
funds
allocated
to
do
equity
diversity,
inclusion,
work
in
the
city
of
kingston,
you
know,
there's
a
new
equity
and
diversity
inc
inclusion
committee,
there's
a
new
program
manager
for
that.
So
it's
obviously
a
priority
for
the
city
and
those
funds
will
be
there.
D
You
know
we
will
partner
with
you,
as
you
know,
in
whatever
way
we
can
as
a
muslim
community
to
to
to
move
that
forward.
But
I
don't
think
it's
a
it's
a
binary
thing
where
you
have
to
do
one
or
the
other,
the
you
know
bill
21
for
all
the
reasons
that
we've
stated
it's.
It
is
a
problem
for
us
right
as
long
as
that
is
a
law.
D
This
is
an
issue
in
kingston
and
you
know,
maybe
it's
maybe
for
someone
who's,
not
who
maybe
for
someone
who
doesn't
look
like
me.
It's
easy
to
say
that
you
know.
Let's
just
do
a
couple,
you
know
some
things
in
in
town
and
you
guys
should
be
okay,
it's
bigger
than
just
it's
bigger
than
just
you
know.
D
Yes,
these
seven
recommendations
for
the
the
municipal
recommendation,
friends
that
we're
proposing
through
nccm
are
important
definitely
but
as
a
kingstonian.
If
I
go
to
even
if
I
just
travel
outside
of
kingston
and
go
a
couple
hours
away
from
here
into
another
province,
should
I
be
subjected
to
bigotry
because
the
state
sponsors
thought.
D
So
I
think
if
it's
really
important,
that
we
stand
up
and
and
show
kingstonians
as
well
like
there's
a
large
muslim
community
here
and
not
just
the
muslim
community.
You
know
other
communities
of
faith
that
this
is
important
to
us
and
you
know
again.
Through
these
centuries,
we've
had
to
fight
our
own
battles
and
we're
asking
you
to
fight
alongside
us.
C
As
long
as
that
exists,
there
is
the
possibility
of
that
law
being
sort
of
adopted
by
somewhere
else.
So
that's
the
that's
the
kind
of
fight
that
we're
we're
looking
at,
and
it's
not
just
about
secularity
there,
because
there
are
still
very
christian
symbols
that
are
that
are
available
and
and
visible
within
quebec.
A
H
H
C
I
great
appreciate
that
thank
you,
counselor
and
opening
the
door
we're
dealing
with
it
on
on
base.
To
be
honest,
there
is
a
multicultural
council
or
sorry
calendar
that
is
held
that
I
can
easily
forward
to
to
you
folks
or
to
to
the
city
staff
that
has
all
those
holidays
in
there
and
again
what
I'm.
C
What
we're
saying
is
if,
if
like
a
proactive
stance
where
it's
recognized
in
some
way,
where
they
they're
added
those
those
key
holidays
are
sort
of
added
on
to
the
city
council,
because
I
know
I've
heard
the
mayor
before
and
and
different
levels
for
eve,
they
they'll
come
out
and
say
happy
and
then
the
there
was
mp
garretson
today
said
happy
new
year
for
for
the
lunar
new
year.
So
those
calendars
are
out
there
and
gladly
easy
enough.
C
D
H
D
You,
if
I
can
just
add
to
that,
my
kids
went
to
limestone
district
school
board
and
I
will
give
them
a
shout
out
for
being
very
proactive
in
that
regard.
There
there's
acknowledgments
on
social
media,
at
least
for
every
holiday,
for
every
faith
group
cultural
group
like
they
do
a
very
good
job
at
limestone.
I
think
part
of
it
is
they.
They
do
have
like
an
equity
consultant
who
oversees
that.
But
you
know
we
have
so
does
so.
A
I
J
J
It
is
a
direct
attack
to
our
religious
freedom
and
liberty
of
expression
in
sikhism.
Both
men
and
women
are
treated
with
equality,
so
both
can.
We
are
at
urban
sick
women
are
working
hard
and
doing
very
well
in
schools
in
research,
doing
their
phds,
holding
various
positions
in
government
and
public
sectors
serving
in
royal
canadian
navy
and
wearing
a
turban
as
a
part
of
their
uniform
working
as
teachers
and
profession,
professors
as
well.
J
So,
according
to
bill
21,
we
would
not
be
able
to
hold
any
strong
position
in
various
positions.
Various
professions
working
at
government
offices,
putting
our
skills
to
use
in
research
or
teach
in
a
school
or
university,
so
limiting
our
opportunities
solely
on
the
basis
of
our
attire
would
be
a
total
breach
of
human
rights.
J
Today,
thousands
of
students
are
studying
at
schools
and
universities
all
across
the
canada
wearing
religious
symbols
who
might
feel
oppressed
to
pursue
their
future.
Due
to
this
legislation,
these
religious
symbols,
such
as
my
turban,
is
not
just
a
piece
of
fabric;
it
is
a
part
of
my
identity.
It
is
who
I
am
so.
I
certainly
stand
with
everyone
who
is
against
bill
21,
which
directly
targets
the
minorities,
religious
minorities,
by
limiting
their
participation
in
various
professions.
Thank
you.
I
Thanks
manpreet,
so
I
am
speaking
as
as
the
president
of
kingston
sikh
cultural
association.
We
have
sikh
gurdwara
here,
people
who
don't
know
what
gurdwara
means.
It's
a
it's
a
same
thing
as
a
sikh
church
for
church
and
as
a
voice
of
sikh
community.
I
would
say
that
we
are
totally
against
bill
21
which
got
passed
in
quebec.
I
don't
know
how
it
got
passed,
but
it
got
passed.
It
basically
restricts
veering
religious
symbols
from
public
office
positions.
It
is
an
act
of
violation
of
basic
human
rights.
I
Of
my
services,
I,
if
I'm
a
surgeon,
will
my
turban
change,
how
I
do
the
incision?
No,
it
will
not
change.
It
will
not
make
me
a
biased
person.
Removing
the
head
covering
doesn't
remove
my
faith
from
my
brain,
like
if
you
want
to
remove
religious
thing,
you
have
to
cut
out
some
part
of
my
brain.
Otherwise,
you,
you
can't
take
out
the
symbolism,
because
the
symbol
is
actually
inside
my
brain,
which
is
required
for
this
position.
I
So
if
you
want
my
brain
to
work
for
these
positions,
then
you
need
to
have
me
completely
here,
so
I
keep
long
hairs
as
most
people
do
and
bill
21
wants
us
to
leave
our
turbine
in
car
when
we
go
to
the
office.
So
when
I
leave
my
turbine
out,
I
will
be
working
with
with
my
naked
ears,
so
that
would
be
basically
telling
me
that
you
go
and
work
in
as
naked
position,
they're
telling
other
people
to
go
and
work
as
naked
policemen
and
make
it
some
politician.
I
I
think
that's
what
built
anyone
is
asking
for
people
to
do
so.
What's
coming
next
for
state
to
be
neutral
when
they
call
it
neutral
for
religious
symbol
now
hairstyles
dresses
and
nail
sizes
like
tomorrow,
if
a
new
religious
system
comes-
and
someone
says:
oh,
the
three
centimeter
of
hair
is
catholic
religion,
and
four
centimeter
of
here
is
islam
and
five
centimeters
this
religion.
So
how
would
you
remove
those
religious
symbols?
Are
you
going
to
just
make
everybody
bald?
I
I
We
in
kingston
are
growing
invisible
visibility
of
six,
as
many
students
are
coming
and
settling
down
here,
many
new
families
are
moving
from
gta
and
settling
here.
We
want
to
tell
them
that
we
in
kingston
believe
in
equality,
so
we
do
in
canada,
it's
not
a
question
of
representation,
but
it's
a
question
of
inclusion.
I
A
K
Thank
you,
and
through
you,
mr
thanks
for
your
presentation,
in
fact
the
entire
discussion,
the
previous
delegates
as
well.
I
think
it's
been
really
rich.
This
discussion
and
I
believe,
a
lot
of
people
learn
from
what
we're
what
we're
hearing
and
and
and
we
and
there
was
the
suggestion
of
creating
a
celebration
when
there
are
festivals
at
market
square,
which
I
I
think
is
fantastic.
I
think
we'll
all
be
so
much
richer
from
sharing
festivals
and
and
celebrating
diversity.
K
But
I
just
wonder
if
you
could
speak
with
to
having
someone
with
the
tougher
discussions,
because
I
think
racism
is
oft
comes
from
a
place,
often
of
ignorance
and
fear
and
and
just
not
knowing
each
other.
So
how
can
what
can
we
do
to
to
increase
opportunities
for
education
for
getting
to
know
each
other,
not
not
necessarily
through
edu
through
celebration,
which
is
fun
for
sure,
but
having
deeper
conversations
and
deeper
opportunities
to
learn
and
get
and
to
deal
with
some
of
that
misinformation?
I
I
Take
the
fear
out
of
unknown
that,
oh,
what
does
having
a
turban
or
a
hijab
does
it
make
any
difference
in
the
human
being?
We
need
to
teach
humanity
more
than
religious
symbols,
and
you
can
have
different
kind
of
hairstyles.
Same
thing
is
that
you
can
have
different
religious
symbols,
but
that
should
not
change
your
identity,
you,
you
are
a
human
being
first
and
that's
what
needs
to
be
inculcated
to
our
children.
I
So
once
we
have
taught
our
children,
what
inclusion
is
that
that
will
change
how
they
perceive
the
world
when
they
grow
up,
so
that's
education
level
we're
not
doing
enough
at
school
level.
First
of
all,
I
I
totally
agree
with
the
sabina
that
there
are
a
very
good
equity
office
in
limestone
the
school
district
board,
but
having
a
calendar
and
having
some
celebrations
is
not
enough.
I
have
always
told
that,
and
it's
it's
going
to
be
that
way.
The
second
thing
is
at
a
higher
level
at
university
level.
I
Are
we
doing
enough
so
that
people
can
embrace
different
kind
of
colors
and
symbols?
No,
we
are
not
doing
that
and
and
then
even
after
university,
so
post-educational
when
we
go
into
our
jobs
and
we
are
in
our
20s
30s
40s.
Those
people
need
to
be
taught
as
well
and
there
is
an
entire
generation
which
is
in
60s
70s.
I
They
don't
even
they
it's
hard
to
bring
change
in
them,
but
we
need
to
make
some
changes
at
that
level
as
well.
So
we
need
to
have
some
some
tv
serials,
some
regular
tv
advertisements
going
on.
There
have
to
be
some
regular
functions
from
city
of
kingston,
which
can
promote
equity
diversity
inclusion.
K
Thank
you,
and
I
have
just
a
quick
follow-up
question,
and
that
is
with
the
perhaps
a
an
opportunity
might
be
the
if
we
helped
fund
the
legal
challenge
that
that
we
could
organize
something
around
that,
because
I'm
sure,
even
that
that
process
with
the
legal
challenge
could
be
quite
educational
for
our
community.
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
supporting
this
and
and
learning
from
everybody
involved,
including
how
this
legal
challenge
will
go.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
this
forward.
G
G
Okay,
okay,
this
is
a
personal
question.
Then
I
had
an
opportunity
this
past
summer
to
attend
a
secret
wedding
and
it
was
absolutely
phenomenal
in
the
gta
and
being
close
friends
with
the
groom,
I
was
able
to
wear
a
turban,
and
how
do
you
deal
with
the
pressure
after
about
three
hours
wearing
the
turban?
What
what
you
do
to
release
it?
G
I
I
I
A
Okay,
that's
great!
Thank
you.
Thank
you
both
very
much
for
that
that
delegation
and
with
that
we'll
move
on
in
their
agenda.
Thank
you
so,
moving
on,
we
have
no
further
delegations.
This
evening.
We
have
no
briefings.
Are
there
any
petitions
to
present
okay?
Moving
on,
we
do
have
one
motion
of
condolence
moved
by
mayor
patterson
seconded
by
deputy
mayor
holland.
The
sincere
condolences
of
kingston
city
council
will
be
extended
to
craig
desjardins,
the
city's
acting
commissioner
of
corporate
services
and
the
passing
of
his
mother-in-law.
Mary
elizabeth
ball.
A
She
passed
away
on
january
4th
20.2
mary
was
a
lifelong
learner
and
a
passionate
advocate
for
healthcare
and
education
always
looking
to
make
the
world
a
better
place.
She
was
about
kingstonian
and
loved
her
community
mary
will
be
greatly
missed
by
all
who
knew
her
and
our
thoughts
and
prayers
are
with
her
family
and
friends.
At
this
difficult
time
called
vote,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's,
okay.
We
have
no
deferred
motions
this
evening,
so
we
will
move
on
to
reports.
First
step
is
report
number
20
from
the
ca.
L
Thank
you,
mayor
patterson
through
you.
I
want
to
start
by
thanking
staff
for
this
report.
I
know
that
the
time
frame
actually
moved
up,
so
it's
nice
to
have
this
before
us
now
and
I
had
one
or
two
questions
based
on
the
experience
of
other
municipalities
which
were
laid
out
in
the
report,
which
is
also
very
helpful.
So
perhaps
staff
could
talk
to
us
about
the
fee
structure,
the
fines,
I'm
wondering
why
we
haven't
increased,
what
we're
charging
folks
who
break
the
rules
essentially,
regardless
of
what
those
rules
end
up
being.
L
M
Thank
you
and
through
your
worship,
it's
a
good
question.
To
be
honest,
we
looked
at
the
fines.
The
fine
would
have
to
be
approved
by
the
solicitor
general
and
there
just
wasn't
enough
time
to
adequately
set
what
that
should
be
and
make
application
to
the
solicitor
general.
But
it's
something
that's
going
to
be
evaluated
down
the
road.
L
I'm
trying
to
think
about
how
this
would
be
as
intuitive
for
residents
as
possible
and
I'm
not
sure
if
I'm
convinced
what's
proposed.
Is
that
and
the
reason
I
say
it
is
because
if
we
move
forward
with
recommendation,
we
have
a
december
weather
based
event,
ban
and
then
two
months
of
an
outright
ban
and
then
back
to
a
month
of
weather,
based
banning
and
I'm
wondering
if
there's
a
way
that
could
be
simplified
just
for
folks
to
be
able
to
come
on
board
a
bit
easier.
M
M
That
would
give
us
the
shoulder
months,
which
is
you
know,
there's
less
risk
of
intense
storms
during
those
periods
and
so
we're
trying
to
achieve
that
proper
balance
between
the
two.
I
think
the
communication
is
going
to
be
key
with
all
of
this
we've
we've
got
to
make
sure
we
do
as
much
as
we
can
to
try
to
communicate.
M
First
of
all,
when
the
bands
are
in
place
and
also
how
you
get
notified
when
a
weather-based
band
event
is
is
occurring,
so
I
think
that
by
by
doing
it,
both
in
december
and
march,
it's
going
to
give
us
more
data
that
we
can
use
to
analyze
than
what
makes
the
most
sense
for
kingston,
based
on
our
own
conditions.
Here
to
for
a
longer
term.
You
know
a
permanent
structure.
M
What
that
structure
would
look
like,
so
the
idea
is
to
have,
whereas
it
would
be
simpler
if
we
just
said
yeah
only
march,
or
we
said
only
december,
but
to
be
fair
to
the
residents
as
well.
That
are
looking
forward
to
this
concept.
Doing
it
both
in
december
and
march
would
make
sense.
I
think,
especially
for
the
pilot
to
give
us
the
data
that
we're
looking
for.
N
L
O
Thank
you
for
worshiping
through
you.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
staff
for
their
work
on
this.
It's
it's
been
a
long
process
to
try
to
get
here,
and
I
know
that
the
many
other
counselors
have
been
supportive
of
this
as
well.
I
think
some
of
the
big
questions
that
some
of
the
residents
are
asking
is
if
the
pilot
is
successful,
and
we
recognize
that
you
know
it's
it's
completely
doable
is.
Is
there
potential
for
further
adjustments
at
other
points
in
the
future?
M
Thank
you,
counselor
and
through
you
mayor
patterson,
the
answer
is
yes,
you
know
what
we
want
to
do
is
is
look.
Do
the
pilot,
assess
it
get
feedback,
adjust
the
program
and
determine
what
the
permanent
program
would
look
like?
Would
it
be
two
months
but
it'd
be
three
months?
Would
it
be
four
months
would
be
zero
months?
What
would
the
fines
be?
So
there's
lots
of
opportunity.
I
think,
for
us
to
make
changes
to
the
program
following
the
friday.
O
O
We
could
also
have
people
download
an
app
that
would
possibly
send
out
a
notification
to
say
you
know
what
snow
is
expected
in
excess
of
5
cent
or
whatever
the
number
is
5
10
centimeters
tonight,
please
move
your
vehicles
from
the
street
after
1
am
and
keep
them
off
the
street
until
whatever
the
time
is
9
10
a.m.
So
is
that
something
that
we
would
also
be
looking
at
as
as
part
of
the
pilot
going
forward
to
help
with
the
communication
side
of
things.
P
Thank
you,
worship
just,
and
I
am
really
pleased
to
see
this
initiative
as
well.
I
think
this
is
great
and
I
do
want
to
congratulate
staff
for
for
the
work
they've
been
doing
through
this
last
month,
because
it
has
been
a
lot
of
snow,
and
so
thank
you
for
that.
But
but
my
guess,
my
question
is
around
you
know:
we've
come
a
long
way
now
to
meeting
the
the
the
needs
of
of
drivers
in
the
community
and
and
people
have
to
park
their
cars
in
the
streets,
and
I
think
we
should
do
that.
P
It's
the
right
thing
to
do,
but
I
also
think
that
that
you
know
we.
We
now
need
to
say
to
them.
Okay,
you
have
an
obligation
here
now
to
to
to
meet
us
halfway,
and
that
means
that
on
those
nights
that
those
cars
need
to
be
removed,
they
need
to
be
removed,
and-
and-
and
I
know
this
is
a
pilot
that
will
sort
of
hone
the
fines
and
and
removal
of
vehicles
at
some
other
point.
But
you
know
I
I
know
that
in
in
you
know
years
gone
by.
M
E
E
We
know
because
we've
had
complaints
over
the
years,
and
so
now
it
really
puts
things
forward
as
to
okay.
Let's
see
if
this
is
gonna
work
or
if
we,
you
know
can
say
we
tried
it,
but
you
know
for
what
councilor
hill
said
yeah
it's
just
gonna,
be
too
many
times
the
plows
are
going
to
have
to
circle
back
clearing
the
snow
from
the
cars
that
were
parked
so
we'll
see
what
the
how
the
community
takes
us,
and
I
also
really
look
forward
to
that.
This
will.
E
Q
Q
J
Q
Q
G
Q
N
It
just
in
response,
I
think
part
of
the
rationale
between
behind
the
pilot
program,
and
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
reasons
that
are
listed
as
to
why
things
how
things
could
possibly
get
more
challenging,
but
the
december
and
the
march
was
typically
was
specifically
targeted
because
those
months
tend
to
have
times
between
them
where
the
temperature
can
get
warmer
and
and
although
we're
plowing,
it
also
gives
us
the
opportunity
of
weather
to
help
us
deal
with
some
of
the
issues
that
may
arise.
So
that
was
part
of
the
rationale
between
those
shoulder
months.
R
Yeah,
thank
you
mayor
patterson.
I
do
want
to
thank
staff
for
the
work
that's
been
done
on
this,
even
as
a
royal
counselor.
I
suppose
that
you
could
think
I
don't
have
that.
Many
issues
read
to
parking,
but
I,
but
I
do
have
a
few
in
in
the
hamlet
areas,
and
I
understand
that
parking
and
I
think
council.
R
Does
raise
the
concerns
that
we
are
going
to
experience,
but
I
am
you
know
it's
an
emotional
issue
in
subdivisions
and
tighter
communities
which
we
have
so,
but
I
think
it's
worth
the
try
and
I
think
it
can
bring
some
relief
and
I
think
that
the
technology
that
we
have
as
councilor
bowman
has
indicated.
There's
gonna
be
great
great
strides
there
too,
and
we
might
be
surprised
by
its
success.
So
I'm
willing
to
support
this.
H
A
So
your
your
background
is
very
busy,
so
it's
hard
sometimes
for
me
to
see
when
you're,
I'm
not
sure,
if
it's
possible
to
have
a
more
plain
background,
because
what
happens?
Is
that
it's
harder
for
me
to
to
see
you
in
front
of
everything
else?
So
I'm
not
purposely,
I'm
not
ignoring
you
by
any
stretch.
So
maybe,
if
you
raise
your
hand,
if
you
just
just
maybe
just
move
it
a
little
bit
closer
to
the
to
the
screen,
that
will
help
you
to
see
it.
S
Like
that
perfect,
okay,
thank
you.
I'm
going
to
start
with
a
question
or
two
to
miss
santucci,
because
I
think
we
need
to
understand
what
a
crucial
element
to
this.
This
pilot
is
the
snow
removal
piece
and
when
I
say
snow
removal,
I
don't
mean
winter
control
in
the
report.
It
actually
explains
it,
but
I
don't
know
if
counselors
have
actually
dawned
on
them.
What
snow
removal
means
in
this
context,
so
maybe
miss
santucci,
can
explain
what
snow
removal
means
and
why
it's
so
important
for
the
roadway.
N
So
snow
removal
is
what
just
what
it
says:
the
removal
of
snow.
So
in
the
downtown
city
area,
we
typically
will
remove
snow
after
a
period
of
time
after
we've
had
a
big
snowfall,
because
there
is
nowhere
to
put
that
snow.
So
we
bring
trucks
in.
We
bring
our
graders
in
it's
quite
a
operation
to
to
remove
the
snow
from
those
areas.
We
typically
do
the
downtown
around
the
hospitals,
we'll
do
bridges
in
order
to
remove
the
snow
after
a
larger
snowfall
or
after
numerous
smaller
snowfalls.
S
Thank
you
so
yeah
because
I
mean
people
think
snow
removal,
sometimes
just
plowing,
but
it's
I've
seen
it
in
my
district,
the
greater
in
the
middle
of
the
night.
You
have
to
be
up,
but
I
was
working
night
shift,
so
I've
seen
it
the
greater
goes
down
the
road.
It
scrapes
all
everything
the
entire
snow
bank,
everything
into
the
middle
of
the
road
and
then
there's
another
heavy
machine
coming
behind,
usually
a
large
snow
blower
that
blows
that
middle
windrow
that's
been
plowed
in
a
little
road.
S
Luckily,
there's
no
traffic
into
a
dump
truck
right
and
this
way
tons
of
snow
can
be
removed
from
these
congested
areas.
Why
is
it
important
in
the
downtown
and
in
my
district
in
council,
neil's,
council,
hutchison's
and
the
other
downtown
district?
It's
because
well,
councillor
has
just
mentioned
the
the
lack
of
the
boulevard.
S
So
let's
just
use
baguette
street
as
an
example,
and
I
actually
wanted
to
ask
about
that.
So
the
last
major
snowfall
we
got
like
a
a
big
big
snowfall
and
then
now
there's
still
large
piles
all
through
my
district
and
probably
councilor
hutchinson's
as
well,
and
possibly
all
the
areas
of
the
city.
Is
it
just
a
matter
of
volume?
Is
there
a
reason
why,
like
baguette
street,
which
is
a
bus
lane,
has
not
had
snow
removal,
yet
in
january,
like
what's
going
on
there?
What's
what?
How
do
we
prioritize
that
work.
A
S
Yeah
well
I'll,
explain
exactly
why
it's
it's!
I
should
have
taken
photos
that
you'd
understand
but
picture
four
foot
snow
banks
four
feet
wide
where
the
parked
cars
used
to
be
on
the
stretch
of
baggage
street
in
between
queens
and
hotel
do
hospital
okay.
So
so
that
stretch
with
all
the
express
buses,
the
501
and
the
601,
all
the
express
buses
use
that
stretch
now.
There's
a
four
foot
wide
tall
snow
bank
that
has
pushed
all
of
the
parked
cars
four
feet
into
the
into
the
middle
of
the
boulevard.
S
So
there's
effectively
only
one
lane
and
when
you're
talking
about
a
bus,
there's
only
one
lane
on
on
that
baggett
street
corridor
right
right
as
we
see
as
we
speak.
So
if
there's
two
express
buses
coming
in
opposite
directions,
they
can't
both
get
through
so
that
so
the
question
is:
how
long
does
it
take
to
clear
such
an
event,
because
we're
now
several
weeks
past
we're
two
weeks
past
that
winter
event
and
it
hasn't
happened.
S
N
S
Okay,
well
forget
about
baggage
for
now,
but
I
mentioned
bagon
street
because
it
is,
it
is
an
arterial
route
and
it
is
also
an
express
bus
route.
So
you
would
think
whatever
system
we're
using
it
wouldn't
be
left,
as
is
because
it
is.
It
is
an
issue.
I'm
surprised,
killing.
Some
transit
hasn't
said
anything
anyways,
the
point
being
that
this
pilot
is
not
just
as
simple
as
saying
oh,
there's
less
snow
in
december
and
march.
So
let's
try
something
different,
that's
something
different!
S
Is
it
compelling
every
single
car
that
parks
in
a
route
that
needs
snow
removal
in
a
timely
manner
to
not
do
so?
After
a
winter
event?
It's
not
just
communication.
It's
will
of
of
these
people
to
move
their
cars
and
and
on
on
fairly
short
notice.
So
I
suspect,
what's
happened
on
baggage
street.
Is
that
it
they
just
there's
always
been
parked
cars
along
there.
So
so
the
snow
removal
has
been
impossible
and
we
haven't
decided
to
tow
them.
It's
probably
that
simple,
but
that's
going
to
happen
with
this
pilot.
S
So
I
really
hope
that
the
report
after
one
year
is
it
will
contain
the
information
about
the
roadways
that
were
affected
by
the
accumulation
of
snow
in
the
downtown
and
the
delays
to
get
snow
removal.
That
information
was
necessary
for
this
debate
tonight
and
it's
disappointing
that
it's
not
that
you're
not
able
to
answer
that
question.
A
G
Yes,
your
worship,
my
question
is
really
to
staff,
and
that
is
the
the
toxic
potential
toxic
components
of
this
property,
as
it's
been
budgeted
for
potential
cleanup
in
the
future
and
if
not,
what
is
the
mitigation
method?
Considering
there's
been
discussion
of
cleaning
up
the
inner
harbor,
mr
hughes,.
T
Thank
you
miss
mayor
and
thank
you
counselor
chappelle,
so
through
you,
ms
mayor
environment,
director,
paul
mcclatchy,
is
on
the
the
call
so
I'll
ask
paul
to
to
answer
your
question.
But
the
condition
for
the
the
deal
to
receive
the
property
from
the
federal
government
is
to
take
it
in
as
this
situation
and
no
cleanup
is
identified
to
be
to
be
done,
based
on
the
the
risk
management
but
I'll
turn
it
over
to
to
environment
director
paul
mccarty.
U
So
we've
done
that
and
provided
it
to
the
to
the
reckon
leisure
department
who
operate
the
marina
and
while
there's
no
room
physical
remediation
that
would
be
required.
There
are
administrative
controls
required
within
the
marina,
so
it
means
certain
types
of
moorings
and
so
forth
have
to
be
placed
so
that
they
don't
disturb
the
sediment
in
in
the
harbor.
A
A
A
A
A
Okay,
we
have
no
information
reports
from
members
of
council
on
to
miscellaneous
business.
We
have
a
few
motions
here,
so
first,
a
move
by
counselor
with
sanic
seconded
by
councillor
hill,
but
the
nomination
of
nia
odi
to
the
cataract
resource
protection
committee
representing
the
central
area,
be
supported.
A
Number
two
moved
by
council
mclaren
executed
by
councillor
neal,
that
is
requested
by
paola
hunter
dietitians
at
kingston
health
sciences,
center
council
proclaimed
march
16th.
2022
is
dietitian's
day
in
kingston
number
three
moved
by
deputy
mayor
hall
and
seconded
by
councillor
hutchinson,
that
is
requested
by
suzanne
miranda.
Gardening
kingston
council
proclaimed
2022
as
the
year
of
the
garden
in
kingston
and
number
four
moved
by
councillor
osanic
seconded
by
councillor
neal.
A
A
Saving
many
lives
in
the
process
demonstrated
an
unparalleled
sense
of
duty
and
commitment
to
his
fellow
soldiers,
whereas
private
larichel
was
awarded
the
star
of
military
valor
for
his
role
in
the
battle,
whereas
a
veterans
group
known
as
valor
in
the
face
of
the
enemy
are
requesting
that
this
young
heroes,
star
of
military
valor,
be
upgraded
to
canada's
highest
honor
the
canadian
victoria
cross.
Whereas
there
is
a
petition
before
the
minister
of
national
defense,
which
aims
to
upgrade
private
larichel's
star
of
military
value
to
victoria
cross,
therefore
be
resolved.
A
The
council
of
the
city
of
kingston
at
its
voice
and
support
the
request
by
local
veterans
on
behalf
of
valor,
in
the
presence
of
the
enemy
to
have
private
larichel
awarded
the
canadian
victoria
cross,
and
that
a
copy
of
this
motion
be
forwarded
to
the
governor
general
mary
simon
mp,
mark
garretson,
minister
of
national
defense,
anita
nand,
and
in
the
presence
of
the
enemy
council
mclaren.
You
have
the
floor.
V
Thank
you.
So
this
came
to
me
from
a
constituent
who
is
also
a
veteran,
a
member
of
that
group
and
a
veteran
of
the
war
in
afghanistan,
and
it's
the
opinion
of
a
lot
of
military
veterans
that
this
particular
award
of
the
military
or
the
star
of
the
military
valor
is
appropriate,
but
not
sufficient
in
the
sense
that
the
victoria
cross
is
a
better
recognition
of
the
events
of
the
duty
of
the
of
the
work
or
the
the
actions
of
this
particular
individual
and
that's
what
they
are
looking
at.
V
So
from
what
I've
heard
private
lacharelle
volunteered
to
be
at
this
observation
post
when
they
were
short-handed,
it
was
critical
because
it
prevented
it
allowed
for
advanced
notice
that
there
would
be
that
there
might
be
an
attack
coming
from
that
direction.
As
it
turned
out,
there
was
an
attack.
His
observation
post
was
hit
by
a
rocket,
and
this
is
not
like
it
is
in
the
movies
where
a
blast
happens,
a
fireball
happens
and
the
hero
jumps
out
the
window
unscathed.
There
is
a
shockwave,
and
this
shockwave
hit
private
lasher
out
pretty
much
directly.
V
It
burst
out
his
eardrums.
Essentially,
it
made
him
deaf
for
a
little
while
and
after
that,
he
when
he
could
hear
he
couldn't
hear
where
noises
were
coming
from.
You
need
two
years
to
do
that.
So,
if
you
can
imagine
a
certain
amount
of
terror
at
hearing
footsteps,
gunshots
from
all
around
you,
but
not
knowing
where
they're
coming
from
you
can
imagine
what
he
was
going
through.
At
the
same
time,
the
shockwave
also
dislocated
or
disconnected
his
retina.
V
If
this
is
the
idea
of
the
inside
your
eye,
the
part
that
holds
the
the
the
cells
that
actually
see
comes
off
and
falls
inside
your
eye.
It's
like
something
covering
your
eye
and
you
can't
see.
You've
lost
your
depth
perception
and,
if
you're,
in
the
middle
of
a
fight,
that's
never
a
good
thing.
Now.
V
One
of
the
things
that
happened,
that
is
part
of
the
rules
of
war,
is
that
once
you
are
hurt,
you
have
fulfilled
your
duty
if
you
continue
to
fight
when
you're
hurt
or
injured
you're
going
beyond
the
call
of
duty-
and
in
this
case
this
is
essentially,
this
is
exactly
what
happened.
He
was
flown
from
his
observation.
Post
knocked
unconscious
must
have
had
a
concussion
at
least
very
likely
broke
his
back
and
his
neck
at
that
time.
V
Yet
he
still
had
the
ability
to
fire
with
excruciating
pain,
a
rocket
launcher
and
machine
guns
to
help
defend
that
spot
until
relief
could
be
reached.
Now
I've
had
a
back
injury,
it
wasn't
serious,
but
if
I
it
wasn't
broken
or
anything,
but
I
was
in
excruciating
pain
for
weeks,
but
I
cannot,
I
can't
imagine
how
much
harder
it
would
be
to
actually
fire
a
machine
gun
and
a
rocket
launcher
with
two
vertebrae
broken.
V
G
K
Thank
you,
and
through
you,
mr
mayor,
I'm
sure
my
fellow
counselors
you're
not
surprised
to
see
this
bump
up
motion.
It
is
for
the
p4w
property
development.
It's
actually
a
huge
development,
including
several
buildings
that
are
planned
there
in
a
hotel
or
retirement
residence
and
in
the
future
some
high
rises
as
well.
So
this
is
an
important
property.
It's
also
hard
for
a
heritage.
K
N
Q
T
U
Q
To
support
councillor
doherty
this
is
you
know,
especially
those
of
us,
I'm
planning.
This
is
business
as
normal
and
it
is
well
deserved.
This
is
a
huge
project.
Is
it
interesting
and
exciting
in
many
ways,
but
you
know
it
deserves
a
full
public
hearing
as
well
in
all
the
stages
that
we
can
afford.
So
I
just
ask
you
to
support
counselor
doherty
in
this
matter.
Thank
you.
A
A
Six
murders
in
the
quebec
city,
moscato,
the
killing
of
muhammad
as
lim's
fs
at
the
imo
mosque
in
toronto.
Violent
attacks
on
racialized
women
wearing
hijabs
hateful
rallies
in
front
of
mosques,
whereas
the
national
council
of
canadian
muslims
and
ccm
is
an
independent,
nonpartisan
and
non-profit
organization
that
protects
canadian
human
rights
and
civil
liberties
challenges.
Discrimination,
islamophobia
builds
mutual
understanding
and
advocates
for
the
public
concerns
of
canadian
muslims
or
is
in
collaboration
with
the
canadian
civil
liberties
association
and
the
ccla
and
the
world
seek
organization
wso.
A
Recommendations
from
municipalities
be
referred
to
the
equity,
diversity
and
inclusion
advisory
committee
for
consideration
and
that
the
equity,
diversity
and
inclusion
advisory
committee
provide
recommendations
for
the
city
of
kingston
specific
recommendations
based
on
the
nccm
recommendations
to
council
no
later
than
the
end
of
q4
2022
mayor
holland.
You
have
the
floor.
F
Thank
you,
mayor
patterson
and
yeah.
First
I'd
like
to
thank
everyone,
members
of
council
colleagues
who
have
had
a
chance
to
have
some
discussions
with
over
the
last
few
days
and
weeks
and
and
in
particular
members
of
the
muslim
community,
who
have
helped
helped
bring
this
initiative
forward
it.
It
there's
a
lot
in
this
motion
as
you've.
Probably
all
noticed,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
that
there
is
so
much
work
to
do.
I
had
an
opportunity
on
saturday
to
participate
in
the
prayers
for
peace
and
remembrance.
F
V
F
Of
that
committee,
they're
they're,
quite
new,
and-
and
this
is
and
there's
lots
again-
there's
lots
that
they
need
to
deal
with
because,
as
was
mentioned,
we
haven't
had
such
a
committee
or
or
staff
resources
in
place
before
this.
So
so
they'll
be
doing
work
of
all
kinds,
and
this
is
one
part
of
that
work.
So
so
in
part
working
learning
from
the
national
council
of
canadian
muslims
and
our
local
muslims.
F
We
we
thought
that
it
was
important
to
have
a
specific
initiative
on
anti-islamophobia
here
in
kingston
and
that
will
be
brought
forward
to
the
committee
and-
and
I
know
that
most
members
of
council
that
I've
spoken
to
understand
that
that's
necessary
and
are
happy
to
see
that
forward.
I
also
know
that
there's
some
concern
about
the
part
of
the
motion
that
is
targeting
legislation
in
quebec
and
seeking
a
financial
contribution
from
the
city
of
kingston
to
fight
that
that
legislation
in
the
courts,
as
other
municipalities
have
done
so.
F
F
The
other
members
of
the
other
sort
of
the
religious
symbols
aspect
of
this
it,
and,
as
was
mentioned,
I
think
another
member.
Another
one
delegation
spoke
to
the
fact
that
we
also
have
residents
here
in
kingston
who
come
and
they
they
go
to
university
or
they
go
to
college
and
they
have.
They
have
ambition
to
work
in
specific
fields
and.
F
H
H
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
it's
a
it's
a
false
idea
that
somehow,
because
the
dominant
predominant
culture
is
included
in
in
in
the
quebec
motion
that
somehow
it's
an
equitable
motion
and
the
reality
is
that
I
don't,
if
any
christian
cross,
anything
that
happens
in
in
quebec
has
been
altered.
But
the
reality
is
that
the
our
minority,
visible
minority
groups,
are
more
identifiable
if
you
will
and
that
shouldn't
bring
any
additional
issues
forward
against
them,
and
so
this
motion,
by
including
all
religions,
in
fact
is,
is
a
fallacy.
H
Q
A
A
So
this
is
a
motion
to
amend,
moved
by
cancer
hutchinson
seconded
by
deputy
mayor
holland.
That
new
motion
number
three
be
amended
by
adding
the
following
is
the
final,
whereas,
whereas
kingston
city
council
recognizes
the
right
and
need
for
the
national
assembly
of
quebec
nacional
to
pass
legislation
to
positively
protect
and
advance
quebecois
culture,
city
council
also
recognizes
the
elements
of
build.
21
have
negative
and
unnecessary
implications
for
the
civil
rights
of
quebecois
and
canadians
okay.
So
it's
just
adding
the
wording
in
that,
whereas
clause
so
so
transformation.
Q
Q
S
Q
Q
So
the
purpose
of
this,
whereas
clause
is
to
that,
has
not
gone
away.
I
mean
I'm
happy.
We
still
have
the
country
we
do,
but
that
issue
of
the
divide
between
english
and
french
has
not
gone
away,
and
it's
connected
to
the
role
of
the
church
played
and
the
fact
that
that
tends
to
have
a
different
attitude
towards
religious
symbols
than
the
rest
of
canada
so
and
I'm
speaking
very
roughly
there.
So
that's
why
I
added
the
second
part,
which
indicates
that
we
do
not
agree
with
the
way
they've
gone
about
this.
Q
Q
Q
L
Thank
you,
mayor
patterson,
and
I
want
to
ask
a
question
to
staff
about
this
and
I
didn't
realize
the
amendment
was
coming,
so
I
apologize
in
advance
if
this
is
loaded.
But
if
we're
talking
about
donating
money
to
a
legal
challenge
and
then
providing
this
rationale,
which
justifies
the
ability
of
the
quebec
government
to
make
legislation
in
their
interest,
does
it
not
undermine
the
stance
and
frankly
does
that
even
matter,
so
I
didn't
think
we'd
be
debating
quebec
nationalism
tonight,
but
I
think
it's
important.
A
X
F
Mayor
patterson,
so
the
you'll
notice
I've
seconded
this.
I
because
I
do
realize
that
some
members
of
council
had
have
have
had
or
might
have
concerns
about
jurisdictional
issues,
and
and
thank
you
to
staff
for
clarifying
that
in
terms
of
the
legal
component,
but
I
think
you
know
reflecting
and
commenting
on
another
government
and
in
particular
another
province
and
what
they're
doing
is
sort
of
something
that
people
have
brought
up.
So
I
thought
this.
F
This
would
be
helpful
in
explaining
in
part
or
providing
that
context,
and
I
appreciate
counselor
hutchinson's
efforts
to
do
that.
I
just
wanted
to
add
one
thing.
I
support
I'll
support
the
amendment
based
on
that,
but
I
do
think
it's
important
to
go
a
little
bit
further,
rather
than
to
just
say
that
there
are
sort
of
internal
struggles
and
I'm
not
speaking
to
the
language
issue
at
all,
don't
worry,
but
that
I
think
it's
important
to
recognize
that
this
was
an
attempt.
F
A
Spencer,
chabel
I'm
going
to
hold
you
on
that
one.
That
would
be
a
question
for
the
main
motion,
so,
oh
sure
and
yeah
does.
The
amendment
is
just
talking
about
this
edition
of
this,
whereas
clause
it
would
be
independent
of
the
you
know,
the
donation
so
we'll
come
to
anybody
else.
On
the
amendment
itself,
counselor
bone.
O
Thank
you,
your
worship,
I
kind
of
had
similar
thinking,
but
mine's
not
attached
to
the
financial
interest.
I
guess
my
question
would
be
in
in
staff's
history.
As
far
back
as
anybody
can
go.
Has
there
been
a
motion
where
the
city
of
kingston
has
made
comments
on
the
nationalism
of
quebec
and
the
maintaining
of
quebec
culture,
because
I'm
not
really
sure
that
that's
something
we're
we're
really
expert
on
or
or
designed
to
do
so
is
that
something
that
has
happened
within?
O
I
guess
the
last
10
12
years
to
staff
knowledge
because
we're
wading
into
other
jurisdictions
that
I'm
not
sure
I
mean
I
married
a
french
canadian,
so
I'm
not
sure
what
everybody
else's
expertise
is
here.
I
certainly
wouldn't
consider
myself
an
expert
but
we're
wading
into
other
people's
cultures,
and
I
just
think
we
need
to
be
very
careful
here.
So
I'd
love
an
answer.
On
the
last
time
we've
made
comments
on
quebec
nationals.
A
A
R
V
Q
A
Q
I
think,
as
the
presenters
put
it,
there's
no
escaping
some
kind
of
moral
responsibility
here
and
in
the
sense
that
we
have
the
opportunity
to
assist
this,
and
that's
essentially,
the
federal
government
has
said
the
same
when
the
challenge
comes.
They
may
contribute
to
it.
So
this
is
our
chance
to
show
the
federal
government
they're
on
the
right
path,
and
everybody
knows
on
a
level,
so
has
nothing
to
do
with
that.
It's
got
to
do
with
being
a
citizen
and
in
him.
L
Thank
you,
mary
patterson
through
you.
I
just
wanted
to
take
a
moment
to
thank
the
delegations,
and
let
council
know
that
I
was
part
of
the
process,
obviously
working
with
deputy
mayor
holland
on
this,
and
I
had
some
of
the
reservations
that
have
been
expressed
just
a
moment
ago,
as
well
around
jurisdiction
and
working
with
some
of
the
delegates
talking
to
city
staff
and
coming
to
a
rather
simple
conclusion,
which
was
twofold
one.
L
If
other
cities
are
doing
it,
it's
possible,
it's
not
that
we're
breaking
any
jurisdictional
lines
as
such
and
two
that
we
have
an
excellent
opportunity
to
put
our
money
where
our
mouths
are
in
terms
of
this.
So
we've
done
some
work
in
terms
of
edi
within
our
own
city,
but
pushing
out
beyond
that
and
putting
dollars
to
that
to
ensure
that
our
residents
are
protected
wherever
they
go
in
this
country,
I
think,
is
incredibly
significant,
so
I
hope
we
can
support
this
unanimously.
O
Thank
you,
your
worship
and
through
you
completely
agree
with
the
initial
premise
of
the
motion.
I
guess
the
biggest
thing
that
I've
had
comments
from
the
public
on
is
the
attachment
of
the
ten
thousand
dollars
to
it,
especially
during
coveteer
all
the
pressures
and
everything
on
people's
budgets,
and
everything
like
that.
So
I
had
many
people.
O
So
comments
and
concerns
were
what
kind
of
precedent
does
this
set?
What
happens
when
the
next
task
comes
and
what
kind
of
things
do
we
do
in
the
future?
If,
if
this
is
said
yes
to
so,
I
did
hear
a
comment.
You
know
putting
your
money
where
your
mouth
is
so
this
this
evening
tonight,
during
this
meeting,
I
went
and
donated
800
to
the
canadian
civil
liberties
association
in
support
of
of
this
fight,
so
13
members
of
council
times
800
would
bring
you
to
10
400.
O
So
that
will
be
my
personal
contribution
to
this.
I
will
ask
that
the
ten
thousand
dollars
is
separated
out
from
the
motion
and
I
will
vote
against
that
portion
simply
because
not
the
original
portion,
but
I
will
vote
against
the
ten
thousand
simply
because
of
the
concerns
raised
by
kingston
taxpayers
and
the
fact
that
I
will
put
my
money
where
my
mouth
is.
O
So
I
support
the
idea
of
this,
but
attaching
taxpayers
dollars
to
it
and
opening
up
these
floodgates
into
the
future
and
setting
a
legal
precedent
really
raised
a
lot
of
concern
for
a
lot
of
my
constituents
and
a
lot
of
people
across
the
city.
So
I
will
put
my
money
where
my
mouth
is:
I've
already
donated
800,
I
challenged
the
rest
of
council
to
do
the
same
and
we
could
raise
10
400
together.
O
If
any
other
members
of
council
have
already
done
this,
I
would
I
would
welcome
their
comments
and
their
feedback
on
this,
because
that
is
how
you
put
your
money
where
your
mouth
is:
it's
not
just
going
and
endless
endless
my
taxpayers.
Money
is
not
endless.
We
have
so
many
challenges
now
we
know
that
our
coffers
are
all
but
empty
through
the
struggles
of
kovit.
So
this
is
something
where,
if
we
want
to
be
community
leaders,
if
we
want
to
step
up,
that
is
how
you
step
up.
O
It's
not
going
back
to
the
taxpayer's
pocket
and
saying,
let's
get
more
blood
from
a
stone.
If
you
want
to
bring
forward
a
motion
like
this,
that's
fine.
We
can
bring
forward
the
motion.
We
can
endorse
it
as
community
leaders,
but
when
you
start
attaching
money
to
this
remember
it
is
not
our
money,
it
is
the
city's
money,
it
is
our
taxpayers
money
and
it
is
collected
from
their
property
taxes
and
there
are
seniors
in
our
community
and
there
are
people
that
can
barely
afford
to
live
and
barely
afford
to
stay
in
their
house.
O
O
I
will
vote
against
the
ten
thousand
on
behalf
of
all
the
taxpayers
of
kingston,
who
have
already
been
bled
to
death
during
these
last
few
years
with
the
strains
of
colbit.
So
if
anybody
else
wishes
to
join
me,
I
welcome
that
edition,
canadian
civil
liberties
association.
You
can
pick
greatest
need,
which
I
believe
right
now
is
this
bill
21
and
the
fight
to
basically
bring
some
common
sense
into
that
and
to
reduce
the
bigotry
and
anti-islamophobia
that
is
part
of
that
bill.
Thank
you.
P
I
can
tell
what's
important
to
you
by
where
you
put
your
money,
and
you
know
when,
when
we
say
this
part
of
the
world
is
watching
it's
not
just
you
know
a
paper-thin
kind
of
thing.
It's
it's
substantial
and
we're
gonna
we're
willing
to
not
just
put
our
word
behind
this
and
our
vote
behind
this
tonight
in
terms
of
how
we
feel
about
this
and
how
this
makes
country
or
this
country
a
lesser
country
because
of
this
bill.
R
Thank
you,
mayor
patterson.
I
do
want
to
thank
the
mover
for
this
motion.
I
think
it
speaks
very
clearly
and
the
amendment
as
well
to
how
we
feel
about
it,
and
I
really
did
appreciate
the
presentations
as
well.
He
didn't
ask
questions.
I
certainly
have
learned
a
lot
and
I
do
remember
how
much
I
even
turned
folklore.
R
How
much
I
learned
to
appreciate
the
diversity
of
our
community,
and
I
know
I
can
speak
on
behalf
of
my
own
faith
community
and
wanting
to
stand
with
them
side
by
side
and
knowing
that
it's
an
embarrassment,
quebec's
law
is
an
embarrassment
to
canada,
and
I
am,
I
think
we
all
are
feeling
that
shame
tonight,
and
so
I
I'm
I'm
surprised
we
haven't
come
up
with
this
motion
sooner
in
a
sense.
You
know
we
should
be
well,
we
should
be.
R
R
We
are
coming
to
terms
with
the
ugliness
of
you
know
any
any
repression
of
religious
oppression
in
this
country,
and
so,
but
in
in
specific,
we
are
talking
about
islamophobia
and
and
and
and
and
all
faiths.
So
I
think
that
that's
a
good
thing
and
we
are
addressing
it
and
when
we
as
a
community
embrace
the
idea
of
the
community
events,
you
know
the
celebrations
at
different
times.
I
think
we
all
can
share
in
that
in
different
months
and
and
that
adds
to
the
richness
of
it
all
and
the
authenticity.
R
And
so
I
don't
think
that
we
should
undermine
the
fact
that
I
think
maybe
the
monetary
value
that
we
attributed
to
it.
It's
not
much,
I
agree,
but
there
is
a
precedent
and
I
think
that
it's
outside
of
what
we
should
be
doing
with
taxpayers
money,
so
I
am
joining
counselor
baum
and
I'm
going
to
give
the
800
plus
I'll
pay
for
the
administration
fee.
R
I
wanted
to
go
to
our
freedoms
because
I'm
a
freedom
fighter
just
like
every
one
of
you
and
I
I
will
go
to
almost
no
ends
to
fight
for
freedom,
and
I
celebrate
that
motion
tonight,
but
I'll
be
I'll,
be
going
even
further.
I
can't
I
would
like
it
separated
the
financial
part
for
our
city,
because
I
think
that
it's
too
easy
to
to
just
throw
money
of
our
of
other
people's
money.
R
K
K
Ten
thousand
dollars
doesn't
go
very
far
when
it
comes
to
educating
the
public,
and
this
legal
challenge
will
educate
people
across
canada.
I
think
we
should
be
supportive,
not
just
supportive
of
it.
I
think
we
should
be.
I
think
I
would
be
ashamed
if
we
as
a
city,
we're
not
to
say
that
we
as
a
city
support
the
legal
challenge.
K
G
V
G
G
R
H
U
A
A
G
Okay,
well,
I
think
the
role
of
a
secondary
is
also
to
put
oversight,
not
just
be
a
cheerleader,
and
so
I
my
my
question
is:
what
did?
Was
there
any
consultation
on
this
motion
with
staff
from
the
legal
context
or
from
the
working
fund
reserve
where
this
is
proposed
to
come
from,
and
I
can
go
through
either
the
move
or
the
second.
F
Thank
you,
mr
patterson.
Yes,
the
motion
was
circulated
to
staff
and
the
for
for
input
on
the
ask
of
the
edi
committee
and
also
for
specific
input
on
the
financial
implications,
and
we
discussed
the
range,
a
range
of
contribution
that
would
be
acceptable
to
staff
and
the
range
was
10
to
50
000
and
we
opted
for
10
000,
which
was
in
line
with
the
similar
size
municipalities
who
pledged
toward
this
legal
clause.
L
Yeah,
I
was
also
asked
the
question,
so
maybe
I
just
add
if
I
interview
mayor
patterson,
that
indeed
I
try
to
make
the
comment
earlier.
Perhaps
I
wasn't
clear
that
my
questions
to
staff
were
around
jurisdiction
and
in
those
discussions
and
in
discussion
with
counselor
holland,
deputy
mayor
holland
and
others
on
that
email
chain,
it
was
deemed
that
this
would
be
appropriate
within
within
our
rights
to
make
such
a
contribution.
G
Okay,
so
I
guess
why
another
question,
then
the
staff
their
worship
is
is
does
this?
Is
this
allocation
of
funds
out
of
a
working
fund
reserve
two
legal
challenges
which
were
not
party
of
set
the
precedent
going
forward
to
other
social
justice
and
very
important?
I'm
not
denying
that
this
is
not
an
important
issue,
but
I'm
just
asking
that
this
sets
a
precedent
for
other
issues
to
come
forward
and
I'm
proposed
finding
legal
challenges
when
I'll
cardio.
W
Mr
mayor,
so
thank
you
councillor
chappelle
for
the
question.
I
think.
Ultimately,
this
is
a
political
decision.
There
is
no
question
that
council
may
get
other
requests
just
like
you
get
as
a
counsel.
Various
requests
constantly
for
different
things
and
different
support.
So
politically
you
have
to
make
a
decision
as
to
what
you
want
to
support.
So
what
is
in
front
of
you
is
truly
a
political
decision.
The
working
fund
reserve
is
set
up
to
enable
expenditures
that
have
not
been
budgeted
for
that
are
one-time
expenditures.
W
Thank
you,
and
now
through
you,
mr
mayor,
so
the
draft
motion
was
circulated
to
myself
and
a
couple
of
other
staff.
What
I
provided
as
far
as
information
to
both
councillor
hall
and
council
kiley
was
that
a
number
of
municipalities
had
made
contributions
to
this
legal
challenge
and
their
contributions
were
ranging
between
ten
and
fifty
thousand
dollars.
G
Okay,
well,
I
am
very,
very
passionate
about
this
issue.
I'm
passionate
just
as
my
other
colleagues
counselor
oosterhoff
and
councillor
boehm,
and
I
put
my
money
where
my
mouth
is
and
I've
donated
800
to
the
canadian
liberties
association
and
since
I'm
so
passionate
about
it.
And
since
we
seem
to
have
no
concern
of
where
this
money
comes
from.
I'd
like
to
move
forward
an
amendment
that
we
increase,
the
amount
of
money
to
50
000.
G
Certainly
your
worship
it.
It
seems
that
there
is
no
respect
for
the
municipal
act
and
the
emotions
like
this
come
forward
as
a
political
nature,
and
it
seems
to
box
principled
counselors,
who
wish
to
try
to
stay
within
our
lines
and
our
lanes
of
jurisdiction,
so
whether
it's
only
ten
thousand
dollars
as
councillor
dougherty
has
suggested
it's
not
enough,
and
the
range
is
up
to
fifty
thousand
dollars.
G
Why
not
make
it
fifty
thousand
dollars
and
separate
this
motion
to
allow
us
to
vote
on
the
great
work
that
we're
coming
from
the
edi
committee,
but
have
the
financial
component
and
how
it
impacts
our
residential
rate
payers,
directly
voted
separately,
and
so
that
that
is.
That
is
my
proposal
to
to
do
that
and
again,
as
indicated
on
the
backdrop
of
my
screen,
I've
already
donated
my
money
of
800
to
this.
A
H
A
A
A
P
O
A
Okay,
so
if
that,
if
that
is
your
argument
for
challenging
the
chair
counselor
hill,
that's
fine.
I'm
going
to
restate
my
my
earlier
argument,
which
is
as
the
chair
as
the
neutral
body,
trying
to
run
this
council
as
as
fairly
and
neutrally
as
I
can.
That
means
I
take
everything
at
face
value
and
do
not
question
motive.
So
all
I
do
as
chair
is
just
rule
is
the
amendment.
Procedurally,
in
order
and
anytime,
you
change
a
dollar
value
in
a
motion.
In
my
view,
that
is
procedurally
in
order.
A
How
does
not
say
that
you
can't
then
argue
against
whether
or
not
that
dollar
power
of
you
should
or
shouldn't
be
changed?
I'm
not
I'm
actually
just
suggesting
that.
That's
that's
a
fair
debate
and
a
fair
discussion.
So
thank
you
so
so
with
that
we
will
call
the
vote
on
the
challenge
to
the
chair.
So
if
you
vote
in
favor,
you
are
voting
in
in
favor
of
the
challenge,
which
means
for
councillor
hill's
position.
A
A
Okay,
so
that
loses
counselor
hill
osanic
authority
and
neil
opposed
okay.
So
so
the
motion
to
amend
is
now
on
the
floor.
Counselor
chappelle
has
spoken
to
it.
Counselor
neil
raised
a
point
of
order,
but
you
can
still
speak
to
it.
Council,
neil,
if
you
still,
you
still
have
the
floor.
If
there's
anything
else,
you
wanted
to
say
on
the
motion
to
amend.
H
Thank
you.
I
think
I
believe
that
this
is
an
attempt
to
to
somehow
make
this
motion
impossible
to
pass,
and
for
that
reason
I
don't
think
the
intent
of
the
mover
and
seconder
was
to
spend
fifty
thousand
dollars.
The
intent
clearly
was
to
spend
a
reasonable
amount
of
money
that
other
like-sized
municipalities
have
spammed.
G
A
K
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
mayor,
I'm
not
going
to
speak
to
counselor,
chappelle's
intent,
because
I'm
sure
I
because
I
do
suspect
and
agree
with
some
of
my
fellow
counselors
who
spoke
earlier,
but
our
counselor
chappelle.
You
did
mention
that
you're
bringing
this
forward
because
I
said
ten
thousand
dollars,
it's
not
very
much
money
and
then
we
can,
when
this
ten
thousand
dollars
is
to
support
a
legal
challenge
that
will
help
educate
and
bring
this
entire
issue
to
all
canadians,
including
residents
of
kingston,
in
when
it
comes
to
education.
K
Ten
thousand
dollars
doesn't
get
you
very
far,
but
you
said
your
concern
is
the
impact
on
residential
taxpayers.
So
I
have
a
question
for
staff
and
what
kind
of
impact
ten
thousand
dollars
would
have
on
taxpayers,
or
actually
the
new
this
this
amendment,
but
how
much
fifty
thousand
dollars
impact
would
have
on
taxpayers.
X
Thank
you
through
you,
mr
mayor,
so,
first
of
all
the
whether
10,
000
or
50
000
that
would
be
funded
from
the
working
fund
reserve,
so
it
would
have
no
direct
impact
on
any
tax
rate.
Those
monies
are
already
in
the
fund.
Now,
however,
they
have
been
funded
by
by
tax
dollars
in
terms
of
just
a
a
percentage.
X
K
Just
a
follow-up
question
to,
if
I
may
is
you
said
that,
but
you
mentioned
point
zero
two
percent
increase,
but
in
fact
it's
coming
from
the
working
front,
so
there
would
not
be
an
increase
and
when
you
said,
point
zero,
two
of
the
increase
that
isn't
going
to
happen.
That
would
be
for
the
fifty
percent.
Fifty
thousand.
So
in
fact,
if
we
were
to
support
this
amendment
and
support
this
legal
challenge
for
50
000
and
there
is
actually
no
increase
and
no
impact
to
this
budget.
X
Three-Year
worship-
yes,
that's
correct!
There
is
no
impact
to
this
budget
at
all.
It
would
be
coming
out
of
the
working
fund
reserve
and,
yes,
it
would
be
even
smaller
than
the
0.2
would
be
like
point:
zero,
zero,
four
or
something
like
that
at
the.
If
it
went
up
if
it
was
only
the
ten
thousand
dollars.
K
A
P
G
P
P
A
O
But
on
the
other
hand,
that
reserve
is
built
off
taxpayers
taxes.
So
I
mean
no
matter
how
you
slice
and
dice
it.
It
still
comes
out
of
the
city's
reserve
fund
which,
if
we're
going
to
refill,
we
have
to
tax
people
through
their
property
taxes.
So
I
do
understand
the
concern,
but
if
10
000
is,
is,
is
not
really
going
to
do
a
whole
lot
and
other
like-sized
municipalities
have
donated
the
full
50
thousand.
Yes,
I've
already
spoken
to
this.
I
think
it
it's.
O
I
think
it's
a
bad
precedent
to
set
whether
ten
thousand
twelve
thousand
fourteen
fifty
thousand.
I
do
think
that
this
is
something
that
you
know
personally,
we
we
are
all
like-minded
on.
I
think
the
challenge
here
is
that,
at
what
point
do
we
stop
just
reaching
into
the
taxpayers
pockets
to
just
grab
more
and
more
money
for
things?
O
O
Instead
of
just
saying
we're
just
going
to
commit
taxpayers
funds
without
actually
consulting
taxpayers
and
that's
another
issue
I
take
with
this.
We
didn't
go
out
and
actually
really
consult
the
taxpayers
and
even
give
them
a
chance
to
match
these
funds
heck.
Had
we
have
done
this
properly,
we
could
have
probably
raised
up
to
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
sent
not
just
10,
which
we've
already
heard,
is
barely
a
drop
in
the
bucket,
but
we
could
have
sent
close
to
100
000
to
support
this.
O
So
we
didn't
do
it
that
way.
We
chose
another
approach
and,
unfortunately,
you
know
now
we're
taking
the
lower
end
of
that
to
try
to
look
like
we're
doing
something.
So
I
think
at
the
end
of
the
night,
50
is
what
you
get,
because
if
other
people
of
like-sized
municipalities
have
contributed
50
and
we
do
10
how's
that
going
to
look,
somebody
mentioned
public
perception
at
the
end
of
the
day,
doing
the
bare
minimum
is
not
leading.
O
So
again,
I
will
reiterate
I'm
not
in
favor
of
taxpayers
dollars
for
this.
I
put
my
own
money
behind
it
to
prove
that,
and
I
would
happily
challenge
anybody
to
do
that,
because
I
think
that's
the
approach
we
should
have
taken
here.
If
we
truly
want
to
bring
the
community
together,
it's
not
by
just
arbitrarily
reaching
into
our
working
fund
reserve
after
two
years
of
coved,
which
has
already
bled
been
bled
almost
to
death
and
there's
not
a
lot
of
money
left
in
there.
Actually
that's
a
great
question
for
stop.
How
much.
A
X
O
X
O
X
E
E
When
you
do
a
per
capita
basis,
we
should
maybe
be
at
17
000.,
I'm
fine
with
10
000,
but
not
50
000,
but
at
least,
if
we
support
the
main
motion,
you
know
keep.
However,
this
goes,
but
if
we
support
the
main
motion
putting
kingston
forward
we're
going
to
be
one
out
of
the
100
municipalities
from
across
canada,
that
will
be
showing
their
support
to
fight
bill.
21
and
I'll.
Just
save
other
comments
to
the
main
motion,
so
for
me,
10
000
is
fine.
I
will
not
be
supporting
this
amendment.
Thank
you.
A
F
F
Fails
the
amendment
to
increased
attempts
to
fifty
thousand
dollars
we're
back
to
the
ten
thousand
dollar
amount,
correct?
Okay,
thank
you.
So
another
point
clarification
I
want
to
make
is
that
members
of
faith
communities
in
the
city
of
kingston
pay
taxes
and
so
to
differentiate
between
taxpayers
and
those
who
would
who
have
asked
members
of
faith.
Communities
who
have
asked
for
this
motion
to
be
brought
forward
is
problematic.
F
That's
why
I
consulted
with
staff
when,
when
we
looked
when
I
looked
at
the
range,
I
obviously
chose
the
lower
amount
with
the
intention
of
making
that
something
that
council
would
be
more
likely
to
accept
for
the
reason
of
showing
good
faith,
which
was
what
the
members
of
faith
communities
wanted
to
see
from
this
council.
So
for
that
reason
I
will
not
be
supporting
the
amendment.
L
Thank
you,
mary
patterson,
and
through
you,
though,
I
arrive
at
a
different
conclusion
than
counselor
sonic.
I
wanted
to
highlight
the
idea
of
a
per
capita
amount,
and
in
doing
that,
I
recognize
that
we
can't
always
divide
council
spending
by
the
number
of
people
in
our
community,
because
then
we
literally
nickel
and
dime
every
decision
we
make.
L
L
And
I
hope
that
we
can
look
back
on
this
whole
debate
and
recognize
it
was
a
fairly
low
point,
if
not
the
lowest
point
in
our
term,
that
we
just
put
everyone
watching,
especially
the
delegations
who
bravely
came
and
told
other
experiences
tonight
through
unbelievably
bad
procedural
wrangling
on
perhaps
one
of
the
most
significant
things
that
we've
talked
about
in
this
term.
So
I
will
support
fifty
thousand
dollars
if
it
ends
up
being
ten
or
fifty.
L
A
A
A
A
So
this
is
the
best
way
to
be
able
to
do.
Both
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussions
around
the
table
that
try
to
make
this
into
an
either
or
either
you
did
this
or
you
do
this.
The
great
thing
is,
we
have
an
opportunity
to
do
many
different
things
all
at
the
same
time.
So
for
that
reason
I
will
not
support
the
amendment.
A
G
Thank
you.
Your
worship
always
tough
to
act
to
follow
when
with
such
compelling
remarks-
and
I
I
have
expressed
a
number
of
times
that
we
should
really
be
sticking
in
our
own
lane
and
for
that
reason
I'm
supporting
this
motion
to
increase
it
and-
and
I
will
be
voting
in
favor
of
the
increased
amount.
G
B
G
Kingston
to
support
those
in
need
were
struggling,
who
have
expressed
issues.
I
do
have
a
resident
that
I've
spoken
to
a
number
of
occasions,
who's
been
subjected
to
racist
attacks
and
it's
very
disturbing
to
hear
a
person's
story.
So
what
frustrated
me
about
this
motion?
The
way
it
was
set
up
is
that
you
basically
has
been
packaged
in
a
way
that
you
can't
vote
against
it,
and
there
are
principles
that
get
bent,
which
is
why
I'm
demonstrating
how
these
principles
get
done
and
I'll
be
supporting
the
scholarship.
A
Let's
see
if
I
can
remember
the
five
that
were
in
that
I
know
so:
cancer
chappelle
counselor
bone
counselor
authority,
counselor
mclaren
nasa
kylie
voted
in
the
final
region.
Okay,
so
we
are
now
back
to
the
motion
as
not
amended
councillor
chappelle.
You
have
two
minutes
left
on
the
clock.
If
there's
anything
else,
you
want
to
say.
G
A
G
Okay,
so
my
my
comment
about
this
is
I'm
very
passionate
about
minorities.
You
know,
I
certainly
don't
have
the
same
shared
lived
experience,
but
I
have
traveled
around
the
world
and
experienced
many
multiple
cultures
throughout
south
america
in
the
end
of
paul
pakistan
and
been
to
these
places
and
was
you
know,
I
sort
of
stood
out
in
those
communities,
and
I
understand
some
of
the
sights
and
the
feelings
you
might
feel
not
filling
in
with
the
same
culture.
G
So
my
message
is
really,
I
don't
believe,
there's
any
room
for
any
discrimination
of
any
form,
whether
it's
through
religion,
personal
beliefs
or
creed,
or
even
you
know
the
greatest
boogeyman
that
people
are
talking
about
with
with
koben.
So
we
should
really
be
respectful
for
everyone
very
much
keen
on
supporting
peace
and
loving
initiatives
and
supporting
everyone.
G
I
like
to
say
that
what
bothers
me
about
this
motion
in
its
entirety,
the
way
it's
presented
is
that
it
sets
a
dangerous
precedent
and
that
there
are
going
to
be
other
challenges
that
face
our
council
other
community
groups
that
face
various
issues,
and
I
think
that
the
best
way
if
this
council
wants
to
demonstrate
that
there
is
a
passionate
about
this.
As
I
am
councillor
bowman's
and
counselor
roosterhoff
is
and
put
your
own
money
on
the
table.
Put
your
800.
G
E
Your
worship,
I
support
this
motion
again,
just
to
reiterate
that
this
came
about
from
donating
from
the
city
of
brampton
that
mayor
patrick
brown
issued
an
appeal
to
100
canadian
mayors
to
join
the
fight
against
quebec's
bill.
21
strengthen
numbers
from
that
way
and
if
we
pass
this
motion
I'll
be
proud.
That
kingston
is
one
of
those
100
cities
to
fight
it.
Thank
you.
A
I
A
A
A
F
F
Who've
been
impacted
by
anti-islamophobia,
as
some
of
the
language
that
was
used
this
evening,
including
the
phrase
bled
to
death
over
tax
over
paying
taxes
is,
is
traumatic
in
the
context
of
discussing
violence
against
individuals
who've
suffered
and
one
in
particular,
one
delegation
remarked
on
having
lost
family
members.
So
I
just
wanted
to
share
that,
because
I
think
it's
important
that
again
that
when
we're
having
these
debates
that
we
are
very
conscious
of
the
fact
that
we
represent
the.
O
F
Thank
you
yeah,
and
thank
you.
That's
that's
great.
The
I
mean
and
appreciate
it
sincerely,
because
I
think
that
is
actually
it
does
get
to
a
bigger
point,
which
is
that
yes,
we've
had
a
heated
debate
and
it's
you
know
we
do
this
as
as
part
of
our
roles,
but
the
but
individuals
in
our
community
feel
like
they're,
not
included,
and
the
the
edi
committee
was
created
to
address
that
concern
and
and
moreover,
not
only
do
they
not
feel
included.
F
Many
of
them
feel
as
though
they
are
not
safe,
and
so
initially
the
contribution
to
the
fund
was
important.
The
rationale
that
that
I
got-
and
that
was
that
that
was
important
for
me
to
bring
it
forward,
was
because
this
was
what
members
of
religious
communities
who
felt
targeted
by
legislation
and
quebec
wanted
from
this
council.
F
They
wanted
a
demonstration
that
we
took
their
feelings
of
safety
and
security
seriously
and
that
we
would
address
that.
This
is
how
they
wanted
it
addressed
and
and
in
part
of
course,
going
through
the
committee
and
having
recommendations
will
build
on
all
of
that.
But
this
was
something
important
because
it
does
send
a
message
to
the
community.
I
understand
the
ten
thousand
dollars
for
for
members
of
the
public
who
have
concerns
about
fixed
incomes,
I've
heard
from
residents
as
well.
I
don't
take
that
amount
lightly.
F
I
don't
suggest
that
it's
that
we
should
be
in
perpetuity
promoting
or
you
know,
spending
funds
in
other
jurisdictions.
I
I
brought
it
forward
for
the
reason
that
I
mentioned
people
did
not
feel
safe.
This
is
what
they
wanted
to
see
happen
as
a
starting
point,
because
these
these
horrific
events
continue
to
take
place.
We
don't
want
to
see
them
to
take
place
here.
This
is
a
good
way
to
build
the
kinds
of
education
that
we're
that
we're
looking
for
and
frankly,
I
don't
think
we
should
be.
F
I
think
it's
a
privilege
to
donate
to
the
civil
liberties
association
to
feel
safe.
You
know
if,
if
that's
members
of
the
public
shouldn't
need
that
they
sh
they
rely
on
government
for
that
and
that's
why
the
dollar
amount
was
put
forward.
I
did
definitely
applaud
members
of
council
who
see
that
as
an
important
way
forward
and
and
making
contributions
to
these
causes
is
very
important.
I
encourage
everyone
to
do
it
and
I
will
do
so
myself
and
I
thank
everyone
for
the
discussion
this
evening.