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City Council meeting from May 2, 2017. For the full meeting agenda visit https://goo.gl/RLYdEg
A
Moved
by
Councillor
McLaren
segment
by
councillor
Holland
that
council
resolved
itself
into
the
committee
of
the
whole
closed
meeting
to
consider
the
following
item:
a
litigation
or
potential
litigation,
including
matters
before
administrative
tribunals
affecting
the
municipality
and
advice
that
is
subject
to
solicitor,
client
privilege,
including
communications
necessary
for
that
purpose.
5:56
Princess,
Street,
Ontario,
Municipal,
Board,.
B
Good
evening,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
say:
go
I'm
nice
Buju
watch,
aiyah
quake
way
as
the
mayor
of
the
city
of
kingston.
I
offer
these
words
in
the
spirit
of
this
gathering.
Let
us
bring
our
good
minds
and
hearts
together
as
one
to
honor
and
celebrate
these
traditional
lands
as
a
gathering
place
of
the
original
peoples
and
their
ancestors
who
are
entrusted
to
care
from
other
earth
since
time
immemorial.
It
is
with
deep
humility
that
we
acknowledge
and
offer
our
gratitude
for
their
contributions
to
this
community.
B
B
E
F
Your
worship
and
through
you,
I
Ryan
Boehm,
the
council,
the
corporation
of
the
city
of
kingston,
declare
my
McCue
nary
interest
in
the
matter
is
caused
h,
the
third
that
clause
and
report
number
52
as
an
employee
of
utilities
kingston.
It
may
be
perceived
that
a
pecuniary
interest
in
this
matter,
Thank
You.
G
You
through
you,
I
Adam
Canada
to
the
Council
of
the
corporation
of
the
city
of
kingston,
declare
my
pecuniary
interest
in
the
matter
of
report
number
54,
as
I
am
a
licensed
realtor.
Also
I
Adam
Canada
the
council,
the
corporation
of
city
of
kingston,
declared
my
bikini
interests
in
them
in
the
matter.
Regarding
the
interim
control.
Bylaws
I
am
a
licensed
realtor
and
developer.
H
Thank
you,
worship,
your
worship,
members
of
council.
Thank
you
for
letting
me
appear
on
this
matter,
as
his
worship
has
indicated,
I'm
here
as
president
of
the
board
of
directors
of
frog
net
condominium
corporation
located
as
a
thousand
King
Street
West,
as
well
as
in
my
personal
capacity
I,
would
note
for
council's
information
that
they're
approximately
eight
other
residents,
as
well
as
some
board
members
that
are
here
tonight.
H
The
application
is
with
respect
to
the
demolition
of
the
old
mental
health
services
building
and
that
building
just
a
sighted,
it's
south
of
King
Street
west
of
Portsmouth
Avenue
across
from
st.
Lawrence
College
immediately
north
of
the
new
providence
care
hospital
and
on
the
west
boundary
of
the
hospital
is
Lake
Ontario
Park
and
our
building
in
which
there
are
90
units
and
many
residents
are.
We
are
on
the
immediate
we
are
on
the
west
side
of
Lake
Ontario
Park
the
hospital
could
be
demolished
is
on
the
east
side,
so
we
are
in
relatively
close
proximity.
H
The
bylaw
defines
noise
as
a
sound
that
is
unusual
or
excessive,
that
are
it
that
is
unwanted
or
too
disturbing.
Two
persons
in
my
comments,
I
will
submit
that
the
request
for
this
extension
falls
within
those
categories.
It's
unusual,
it's
excessive,
its
unwanted
and
it's
going
to
be
disturbing
to
persons.
H
Construction
noise
can
have
a
significant
impact
on
people's
quality
of
life
and,
in
some
cases
to
a
degree
contribute
contributing
factor
to
the
degradation
of
someone's
health.
The
noise
by
law
permits
construction
from
7:00
a.m.
to
7:00
p.m.
Monday
to
Friday
12
hours
a
day
six
hours
a
week
for
a
total
of
72
hours
a
week.
Ella
stones
request
is
an
extraordinary
one
to
be
allowed
to
continue
to
make
noise
from
demolition
from
7
p.m.
to
11
p.m.
Monday
to
Friday
from
May
3rd
to
September
fund
September
1st
the
summer
months.
H
What
it
means
is
that
residents
in
the
community-
and
it's
not
just
a
thousand
King
there
are
many
other
residents,
north
west
and
east
of
the
hospital
to
be
demolished
will
be
potentially
impacted
by
noise
for
92
hours
of
the
week
for
a
four
month
period
and
as
you'll
note
in
the
staff
report,
counsel
has
never
granted
an
exemption
of
that
nature.
An
exemption
of
that
duration
for
months
and
for
four
hours.
H
H
So
the
submission
is
that,
after
having
this
type
of
work
done
twelve
hours
a
day,
six
days
a
week
to
add
another
four
hours
for
five
days
of
the
week,
that
that's
a
cumulative
impact
of
noise
that
will
have
a
very
negative
impact
on
residents
as
well
as
users
of
Lake
Ontario
Park.
The
objections
from
our
condominium
and
from
others
are
not
a
case
of
NIMBY.
We
understand
the
importance
of
Providence
care
hospital.
We
understand
the
importance
of
other
public
infrastructure.
For
example,
st.
H
There
has
to
be
a
proper
balance
between
the
objectives
of
the
public
and
private
infrastructure,
and
we
submit
this
extension
does
not
permit
that.
We
understand
the
challenge
Providence
Care
has
with
parking,
but
for
whatever
reason,
there
were
probably
good
reasons.
They
chose
to
move
the
st.
Mary's
site
into
the
new
hospital
rather
than
defer
that
demolish
the
old
hospital
and
then
move
it.
It's
not
fair
in
our
submission
that
the
residents
should
bear
the
brunt
of
that
decision
when
it
comes
to
noise.
Thank.
I
H
Correct
so
the
new
hospitals
built
over
I'm,
going
to
estimate
the
last
couple
of
years
within
within
the
normal
hours
permitted
in
the
bylaw
7:00
a.m.
to
7:00
p.m.
I.
I
can't
recall
if
they
did
Saturday
construction
I,
don't
think
a
lot
of
it
and
there
were
no
objections
to
that.
From
from
the
thousand
King
residents
or
from
the
board
we
heard
noise,
we
heard
light
or
saw
light.
H
J
H
The
public
benefit
of
Providence
Care
Hospital
and
the
impact
on
people
who
come
there
and
when
it
comes
to
parking
against
the
negative
impacts
of
extending
the
hours
of
work
when
noise
can
be
constructed.
So
while
we
don't
think
council
should
approve
any
of
the
requests,
if
council
decides
that
it
does,
we
think
it
should
limit
the
the
request.
H
We
think
that
noise
should
be
permitted
with
certain
restrictions
from
7:00
to
9:00,
but
not
beyond.
I
know
the
submission
from
Ellis
dawn
talks
about
only
carrying
out
indoor
work
from
nine
to
eleven
and
I.
Guess:
I'm,
not
sure
what
that
suggestion
of
that
was.
Maybe
the
suggestion
was
that
it
wouldn't
generate
any
noise.
Well,
you
can
carry
out
any
kind
of
activity
you
wish
if
it
doesn't
create
noise,
so
arguably
they
don't
need
an
an
extension
from
nine
to
eleven
if
they
do
what
they
say.
H
H
We
also
appreciate
that
the
Providence
Care
has
the
right,
they've
told
us
contractual
right
to
shut
Ellis
down
Ellis
dawn
down
if
it
makes
successive
noise-
and
that's
that's
helpful,
but
you
know
Providence
care
is
balancing
a
number
of
considerations,
goals
and
objectives,
one
of
which
is
to
get
their
parking
completed.
So
we
think
staff
should
be
asked
to
by
counsel
or
directed
by
counsel,
to
continue
to
monitor
this
work
and
take
appropriate
measures.
J
H
I
appreciate
that
I
was
at
a
meeting
with
Alice
dawn
and
they
were
very
helpful
to
try
and
get
me
up
to
speed
on
what
they
were
proposing
and
why
they
felt
we
shouldn't
be
concerned,
and
there
was
a
conversation
between
to
Alice
dawn
staff
that
perhaps
certainly
wasn't
scripted
and
that
I
wasn't
supposed
to
hear,
and
that
was
yeah.
But
we
think
we're
going
to
have
this
thing
done
by
the
end
of
July
and
some
looks
exchanged.
And
that
was
the
end
of
that.
H
My
reason
for
doing
this
change
is
that
it's
partly
based
on
that.
It's
partly
based
on
how
many
months
residents
should
be
subjected
to
noise
and
I
also
recognize
that
in
July,
if
Alice
Dawn
realizes
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
complete
it
by
the
end
of
August,
they'll
be
able
to
come
back
to
Council
in
the
August
meeting
and
suggest
request
a
one.
A
further
extension.
Well
sorry
they'll
be
able
to
come
back
in
July
for
the
extension
into
August.
C
B
Seeing
no
other
questions,
thank
you
very
much.
Our
next
delegation
is
krysta
wells
Pierce.
Vice
president
planning
and
support
services,
Providence
care
who
have
appeared
before
Council
to
speak
to
Clause
D
report
number
52
from
the
CEO
again
regarding
a
request
for
a
noise
exemption
ellis
don
corporation
province,
care
hospitals,
good.
K
Evening
and
thank
you,
your
worship
and
members
of
council,
as
mentioned,
my
name
is
Kristen
wells
grace
I'm,
the
vice
president
of
planning
and
support
services
at
Providence
care
and
I'm
here
to
express
our
organization's
support
for
the
noise
exemption
that
has
been
requested
by
Alice
Tom.
The
exemption
has
been
requested
to
facilitate
the
completion
of
the
final
phase
of
the
Providence
Care
Hospital
project.
We
very
successfully
relocated
from
our
mental
health
services
and
st.
Mary's
of
Lake
Hospital
sites
just
recently
on
April
23rd.
K
The
final
phase
of
our
project
is
now
shifting
focus
to
the
demolition
of
the
former
NHS
site
to
enable
completion
of
final
landscaping,
parking
lot,
construction,
exterior
access
and
the
construction
of
our
maintenance
garage
I'm
not
going
to
restate
the
specifics
of
Alice
Tom's
request,
but
wish
to
confirm
our
organization's
support
for
this
exemption,
based
on
the
following
four
reasons.
First,
our
contract,
our
contract
with
all
is
Dawne,
includes
language
that
prevents
any
phase
of
their
work
from
disrupting
hospital
operations.
This
includes
disruption
that
can
be
caused
by
noise
vibration
dust,
among
other
things.
K
We
want
to
ensure
that
those
spaces
can
be
used
into
the
evening
hours
this
spring
and
summer,
and
will
therefore
not
allow
excessive
noise
to
prevent
that
from
happening
in
terms
of
those
spaces
being
in
close
proximity
to
the
construction
area.
Some
of
those
spaces
are
a
mere
20
yards
away
from
the
boundary
which
we,
the
new
building
and
the
construction
of
the
demolition
site.
This
includes
our
palliative
care
unit,
where
many
folks
spend
their
their
last
few
hours
with
us
on
earth
before
their
deaths.
Our
second
reason
is
related
to
patient
parking.
K
Our
current
temporary
situation
is
stressful
for
patients,
clients,
families
and
volunteers.
Our
final
parking
condition
includes
615
spaces
in
a
combination
as
patient
and
staff
lots
we're
currently
operating
with
a
parking
shortage
of
300
spots
until
such
time
as
Ellis
Don
can
complete
the
demolition
of
MHS
and
finalize
the
permanent
parking
in
November.
Our
temporary
shortage
of
parking
has
patients
and
families
raising
concerns
and
questions,
as
well
as
many
of
our
physicians.
K
Although
we've
reserved
spots
closest
to
the
building
for
patients,
the
majority
of
our
outpatients
volunteers
and
visitors
come
to
us
with
mobility
challenges
and
are
finding
the
distance
to
the
main
entrance
unmanageable.
We
are
running
a
shuttle
from
remote
locations,
including
the
bus
stop
at
King
Street
to
the
main
entrance
at
the
hospital,
but
the
volume
is
simply
too
great
to
meet
the
needs
of
everyone
who
enters
our
doors.
Having
all
615
spots
available
before
the
winter
strikes
in
November
is
essential
to
sustain
safe
patient
access
to
our
vulnerable
populations.
K
Third,
patient
access
to
exterior
space,
two
of
our
inpatient
courtyards,
are
not
able
to
be
completed
until
the
MHS
site
is
demolished.
These
landscape
outdoor
spaces
are
one
of
the
many
therapeutic
benefits
of
our
new
building,
and
we've
received
tremendous
positive
feedback
from
the
units
that
have
access
to
them.
For
the
two
that
don't,
it
has
been
very
difficult
to
explain
to
our
patients
why
they
don't
have
the
same
outdoor
access
as
other
patients
in
the
building
out
of
respect
for
the
patients
and
families
who
occupy
these
two
units.
K
It
is
incredibly
important
that
we
enable
access
to
those
spaces
by
November,
4th
and
finally,
our
VOC
at
service.
Our
garage
facility
cannot
be
completed
until
the
final
Lots
and
vehicular
access
are
in
place
on
our
site.
Our
garage
is
a
free-standing
building
that
will
be
located
in
the
northeast
corner
of
the
property.
It
will
provide
remote
storage
for
seasonal
items,
but,
most
importantly,
it
will
be
the
home
of
the
amlong
carwash,
which
is
operated
by
our
affirmative
business
group.
K
K
I
hope
this
information
has
given
you
a
better
understanding
why
we
want
to
move
forward
on
schedule
and
complete
the
final
stages
of
our
community's
new
hospital.
Any
delayed
the
completion
of
this
phase
of
work
beyond
November
will
impact
patient
care
and
could
be
interpreted
as
a
failure
of
what
has
been
an
otherwise
celebrated
and
successful
journey
for
Kingston
in
the
region.
On
behalf
of
the
over
30,000
patients
and
clients,
800
volunteers
and
1,000
staff
who
access
our
hospital
on
an
annual
basis,
I
hope
you'll
consider
our
position
as
you
deliberate
this
exemption
request.
Thank.
L
K
The
issue
is
really
about
logistics
on
the
site.
We
don't
have
elbow
room
to
give
Elliston
more
safe
access
to
that
demolition
boundary.
We
have
to
maintain
access
to
the
new
building
which
pretty
much
wraps
around
60
70
percent
of
the
the
boundary
of
the
MHS
site.
Now
they
have
to,
if
we
don't
get
the
extension,
they
have
to
put
more
manpower
within
that
very
confined
perimeter
for
demolition
during
a
12-hour
shift
not
necessarily
safe
and
will
complicate
our
access
to
the
new
building
in
terms
of
providing
pedestrian
cycling.
L
K
So
all
of
our
inpatient
units
have
dedicated
access
to,
on
average
of
four
to
five
thousand
square
foot
courtyard,
so
that
patients
can
go
out
in
the
open
air
if
they
want
to.
They
can
do
that
through
level
access
off
their
unit
instead
of
having
to
go
down
in
the
lobby
and
out
the
main
door
to
get
outside
they
also.
Each
unit
also
has
three
screened-in
porches
to
allow
open
air
access,
but
in
a
closed
environment
screening
patients
are
able
to
read
under
these
spaces
365
days
a
year.
That's
what's
normal
for
people.
K
If
you're,
not
in
hospital,
you
get
to
go
outside.
You
get
to
go
on
your
balcony,
you're
out
on
your
front
porch
and
enjoy
the
open
air
and
it
has
proven
healing
benefits.
So,
yes,
if
a
patient
chooses
to
go
out
on
a
courtyard
in
November,
December
January
February
12
months
a
year,
we've
we've
built
the
building
to
accommodate
that
that
access
for
them.
K
I
I
One
of
my
questions
is
I
have
quite
a
few,
but
keep
it
at
2
is
I
had
been
told,
the
hospital
will
be
demolished
and
then
the
mountain,
the
providence
mountain
will
be
put
in
the
basement
of
the
old
hospital,
and
then
it's
going
to
be
compacted
and
this.
This
is
where
we
get
into
construction
and
noise.
I
K
K
We
haven't
had
to
stop
construction
during
all
of
the
whole
ramming
everything
that
was
going
on
to
get
the
new
building
ready.
We
never
once
had
to
stop
construction
and
we're
confident
we're
going
to
be
able
to
move
forward
continuing
that
partnership
with
with
Elliston.
They
appreciate
what
impact
their
work
could
have
on
the
experience
of
care
in
our
building,
and
they
understand
that
they
have
to
operate
their
site
within
the
boundaries
of
our
requirement
to
provide
a
safe
rehabilitative
space
for
our
patients.
I
Thank
you
for
that
now,
of
course,
there
were
no
patients
in
the
hospital
when
this
was
going
on.
No
there
certainly
were
in
the
other
hospital.
Definitely
and
then
the
logistics
are
still
I
did
ask
Ellis,
Dominus
and
I
couldn't
figure
out.
The
answer
7:00
to
11:00
implies
that
there
will
be
two
shifts:
twelve
hours,
each
or
fourteen
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
labor
hour
labor
laws
permit.
If
they
were
fourteen
hours,
each
we're
still
talking
about
two
shifts
that
will
be
or
for,
however,
many
they're
going
to
have.
That
will
be
all
there
together.
I
You
know
it's
not
going
to
be
a
group
comes
in
the
morning
and
then
a
group
comes
in
the
afternoon,
and
yet
one
of
the
problems
you're
saying,
is
that
the
site
is
too
small,
but
it
sounds
like
they're
already
going
to
have
two
four
six.
However
many
shifts
they
need
at
that
period
of
time,
so
I'm
confused.
Why
that's
a
reason
that
you
need
the
extended
hours
so.
K
There
is
always
going
to
be
a
little
bit
of
overlap
in
their
shifts.
Yes,
it
depends
on
the
nature
of
the
tree
and
the
nature
of
the
work
and
the
schedule
that
they're
working
on
or
under
so
it
would
be
additional
compression
of
the
number
of
people
working
in
the
building
and
on
the
site
at
the
same
time.
So
as
opposed
to
having
an
overlap
of
shifts
that
may
only
be
four
hours,
it
could
be
a
full
doubling
on
us
on
the
site.
I
think
that's
the
easiest
way.
I
can
explain
it.
K
We
would
probably
experience
additional
sit
calls
from
staff.
We
would
experience
protracted,
complaint
processes
with
families
and
patients
who
are
already
as
I
as
I
mentioned
concerned,
with
even
this
temporary
7
months,
as
we've
communicated
to
the
community
experience
of
having
a
shortage
of
parking
so
I
think,
indirectly,
the
costs
would
be
enormous
for
our
organization
to
bear
the
process
of
managing
the
complaint
process.
We
would
have
incredible
loss
in
parking
revenue
which
right
now
is
our
single
option
for
generating
parking
revenue
for
most
hospitals
actually
in
the
province.
K
K
Specifically,
the
adjacency
was
obviously
for
our
mental
health
site,
so
we
didn't
have
any
complaints
from
Saint
Mary's
because
they
were,
they
were
a
little
bit
removed
down
the
road.
No,
we
had
we
had
communicated
and
and
prepared
the
staff
and
prepared
the
patients
in
some
cases
on
the
mental
health
units
they
really
enjoyed
watching
the
construction
it
it
provided
them
a
little
bit
of
stimulation
and
it
wasn't
the
norm
for
them
to
be
surrounded
with
that.
K
E
You
your
worship
and
thank
you
very
much
for
your
very
informative
delegation
this
evening,
two
things
just
leading
into
my
question:
your
worship
that
I
hear
number
one
health,
safety
issues
and
time
sensitivity,
given
that,
given
the
climate
which
we
reside
in
and
you're
dealing
primarily
with
parking
lot
area
here,
we
have
asphalt
plants
that
close
up
in
November
normally
around
here.
I
guess
my
question
to
to
you
having
read
the
proposed
exemption,
that's
before
us
this
evening.
E
Is
there
anything
in
this
proposed
exemption
that
you
personally
see
as
prohibiting
you
from
from
being
able
to
do
the
work,
that's
necessary
to
be
done
between
now
and
September?
First,
you
know,
I
looked
at
this,
and
and
I
certainly
think
that
it's
very
workable.
What
staff
will
put
together,
but
I'd
like
to
hear
your
opinion
on
that
as
well
before
we
move
forward.
E
K
You
so
I
think
there's
a
few
things
in
terms
of
adjusting
the
hours
of
work
from
the
proposed
11
back
to
nine
for
four
days
a
week.
That's
eight
hours
times,
however
many
laborers
on
site
doing
the
work
that
you've
lost.
In
addition,
eliminating
Fridays
is
another
four
per
week,
so
you're
looking
at
a
12
hour
per
week,
reduction
in
the
exemption,
I
think
the
other
thing
two
things
actually
in
the
proposed
amendment
that
was
presented
is
the
elimination
of
having
any
of
the
reverse
signals,
the
beeping
that
happens
through
equipment.
K
K
B
Okay,
seeing
no
other
questions.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay.
Our
third
delegation
this
evening
is
Roger
Healey
co-chair
of
the
Kingston
Coalition
for
active
transportation.
Who've
appeared
before
Council
to
speak
to
item
1,
a
report
number
56
received
from
the
environment,
infrastructure
and
transportation
policies
committee,
we're
in
the
cycling
lane
and
waterfront
trail
extension
on
Bath,
Road,
sure.
M
M
First
I
want
to
publicly
thank
on
behalf
of
cake
at
the
city
engineers,
especially
Adam
Hardy
and
Dan
Franco,
for
conceiving
this
project
and
seeing
it
through
I'm
sure
for
them
it
falls
under
the
category
of
no
good
deed
goes
unpunished.
I
know
lots
of
city
staff
are
probably
familiar
with
that
feeling,
but
partly
the
bike.
Lash
we've
experienced
it's
a
about
this.
It's
a
term.
M
M
This
project
was
also
identified
in
the
waterfront
master
plan,
which
council
approved
last
year,
and
it
is
consistent
with
the
planning
that
is
going
on
with
the
active
transportation
master
plan
right
now,
and
it
is
also
further
consistent
with
the
plans
to
increase
traffic
safety
and
that's
the
vision,
zero.
But
the
road
diet
and
that's
part
of
this
project
and
diet
is
certainly
one
of
those
four-letter
words
that
can
still
be
mentioned
in
public,
but
doesn't
conjure
up
pleasant
memories
for
many
people.
M
And
finally,
I
just
wanted
to
remind
you
that
Kingston
applied
for
provincial
funding
for
this
project,
from
a
10
million
dollar
fund,
open
to
municipalities
all
over
Ontario
to
improve
active
transportation
infrastructure
and
there
were
151
applications,
but
only
37
received
funding.
This
was
one
of
them,
so
that's
that's
a
25
percent
success
rate
so
for
Kingston
to
turn
back
this
funding
or
even
different
screw
around
with
it
in
any
way,
I
think
that
would
send
the
wrong
messages
to
to
Queens
Park
3.
M
N
You,
your
worship
and
Thank
You
mr.
Healy,
for
your
presentation,
I,
just
wondering
if
you
could
comment
on
how
the
the
approved
plan
and
the
funded
weight
for
which
we
were
granted
funding.
How
that,
if
you
could
just
quickly
remind
us
how
that
hooks
up
to
the
overall
network,
if,
from
the
cyclists
point
of
view,
so
if
you're
a
cyclist
from
another
community
and
you
might
be
interested
in
Kingston
as
I
said
cycle
tourism
destination,
how
does
the
multi-use
path
pathway
enable
that
and
in
what
way,.
M
Well,
yes,
the
Ontario
government
is
also
rolling
forward
of
tourism
plans.
So
we
talk
about
tourism,
bicycle
tourism
plan
there
there's
also
a
big
promotion
to
that
and
the
waterfront
trail
is
was
put
together
by
a
waterfront
renewal,
trust,
I,
think
in
and
it's
about
a
30
25
to
30
year
plan
and
and
and
that
group
it
goes
from
Lake
Huron.
It
follows
the
Great
Lakes
like
here
on
Erie
and
Ontario,
and
there
have
been
many
people
through
following
the
waterfront
trail
and
I.
M
Think
they've
identified
this
one
little
stretch
as
one
of
the
worst
sections
of
the
whole
trail.
So
so
this
is
this
trail.
Will
this
project
will
do
a
lot
to
alleviate
that,
but
in
terms
of
the
overall
funding,
I
know
that
they're?
Promoting
that
the
travels
are
they
tourism
travel
site
but
they're,
also
promoting
a
commuting
infrastructure
side
and
that's
the
230
million
dollars
I
think
it's
50
million
dollars
in
the
first
year.
M
N
N
This
would
greatly
expand
accessibility
from
the
West,
so
you've
stated
that
the
other
aspect
that
I
noticed
when
this
came
to
committee
was
the
fact
that,
because
it's
on
the
south
side
of
Bath
Road
and
it
hooked
up
to
the
Coverdale
pathway,
which
is
off-road,
it
connects
up,
you
don't
have
to
go
around
no
frills
and
all
the
way
around
on
the
street
at
Bay
Ridge
Drive.
So
if
you
could
just
sort
of
give
us
an
idea
of
how
that's
helpful
from
a
science
point
of
view,
yeah.
M
M
B
N
I
think
I've
communicated
this
to
the
clerk
I'd,
like
counsels,
consent
to
add
a
delegation.
Despite
the
fact,
we've
already
got
three
so
waving
by
lawan
Emily
to
add
Lauren
app
from
the
Sydenham
district
Association.
Who
is
to
speak
to
the
motion?
The
recommendation
from
staff
regarding
the
interim
Control
bylaw
is.
B
O
While
there
have
been
many
unfortunate
developments
in
the
district's
Sydenham
district
over
many
years,
the
recent
pressure
to
consider
an
interim
Control
bylaw
galvanized
around
a
huge
addition
that
appeared
at
76
Center
Street.
Last
year,
the
houses
increased
scale
with
a
development
permitted
by
right
by
the
under
bylaws,
requiring
no
public
process
and
yet
I,
don't
think
I've
heard
a
single
voice
in
the
community
speak
in
favor
of
the
resulting
structure.
So
it
was
clear
at
that
time
that
changes
to
planning
regulations
in
our
district
needed
to
be
made.
O
We
have
been
assured
that
the
recommended
short-term
policy
adaptations
in
the
report
would
have
prevented
the
addition
at
centers
Senate,
76
Center
Street,
from
being
built.
These
policy
adaptations
are
to
immediately
remove
by
write
conversions
of
single-family
dwellings,
to
multi-unit
dwellings,
to
reconsider
appropriate
outdoor
amenity
space
for
Wanda,
to
unit
better
unit
properties
and
to
subject
new
proposals
to
the
new
competitive,
combat
compatibility
policies
in
the
new
Official
Plan.
O
The
recommendations
presented
by
staff
are
permanent,
clear
steps
in
the
right
direction
and
achievable
in
a
short
timeframe.
We
feel
that
staff
has
arrived
at
a
creative
and
thoughtful
solution
that
will
steer
development
in
a
way
that
is
sympathetic
with
existing
neighborhood
character.
I
want
to
congratulate
staff
on
their
hard
work
on
his
file
on
an
effective
community
consultation
process
that
engaged
a
large
number
of
people,
and
it
seems
to
have
reached
a
positive
solution
for
the
vast
majority
of
stakeholders.
O
This
is
critically
important,
because
citizen
engagement
in
this
kind
of
policy
discussion
cannot
require
that
we,
as
citizens
become
experts
in
the
complex
interplay
of
different
documents
that
create
the
conditions
for
development
in
our
neighborhoods
I.
Think
it's
important
to
recognize
this
gap
in
expertise
that
necessarily
exists,
and
it
must
be
bridged
by
trust.
This
consultation
is
a
consultation
process
that
was
held
and
that
led
to
this
report
was
effective
in
building
that
trust
and
mutual
understanding.
N
You
worship
and
thank
you,
miss
not
for
your
appearing
this
evening.
You
mentioned
the
word
trust
a
couple
of
times
and
I
think
you,
you
nailed
it
that
that
is
a
very
crucial
element
to
the
success
of
the
proposed
changes.
So
I
know
that
you
and
some
other
members
he
met
with
city
staff
recently
I
know
because
I
was
invited.
I
was
working,
so
I
couldn't
go
and
I've
just
to
elaborate
on.
Why
you're
confident
that
you
have
that
level
of
trust
with
staff.
At
this
point,
I
wasn't.
O
Not
sure
I
can
exactly
comment
to
that.
I
would
say
that
those
of
our
members
who
are
involved
in
this
particular
consultation
process
have
not
been
involved
in
civic
engagement
in
this
way
for
a
very
long
time.
So
a
lot
of
us
are
reasonably
new
to
to
these
kinds
of
meetings.
So
I'd
say
that
we
have
approached
this
oppose
meetings
without
a
lot
of
baggage
and
and
certainly
came
with
the
expectation
that
and
a
positive
outlook,
and
we
feel
that
that
positive
outlook
and
and
spirit
was
was
met
and
echoed
by
staff.
Thank.
B
Okay,
seeing
no
other
questions.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay.
We
do
have
one
motion
of
congratulations
this
evening,
move
by
Mayor
Patterson
seconded
by
deputy
mayor
Stroud,
that
the
congratulations
of
Kingston
city
council
be
extended
to
KC
VI
students,
Erin
Peterson
and
James
Mullen,
who
represented
Canada
at
the
deck
international
career
development
conference,
placing
first
overall
in
the
financial
literacy
promotion
project
category
the
financial
literacy
program
developed
by
Erin
and
Jane
aims
to
influence
Ontario's
public
and
high
school
math
curriculum
for
years
to
come.
Congratulations.
B
B
I
P
To
you,
your
worship,
the
number
of
consecutive
days
is
unprecedented,
but
we
do
have.
A
few
council
has
approved
a
few
noise
exemptions
when
being
both
mentioned
in
the
report,
one
being
the
one
month,
duration
downtown
at
hotel-dieu
for
there
brant
repairs
and
that
went
until
midnight
monday
through
saturday
inclusive
for
a
one
month
period
in
2007.
P
Another
analogous
one
would
be
the
MTO
highway.
401
work,
that
councils
approved
noise,
exemptions
for
and
have
the
one
that's
mentioned
in.
The
report
is
a
total
of
111
days,
which
is
closely
approximates
the
number
of
days
being
requested
here,
but
in
that
instance,
it
was
spread
out
over
a
three-year
period.
I
I
have
heard
naturally
from
the
neighborhood,
because
we
do
have
quite
a
few
people
who
live
in
this
neighborhood,
including
the
fact
that
we
have
Lake,
Ontario,
Park
and
incredibly
well
used
Park
in
the
summer
and
I'll
just
comment
that
I
was
surprised
when
this
arrived
the
request,
because
I
thought
how
well
the
whole
hospital
had
been
built.
You
know
everything
seemed
to
go
in
time
on
time.
I
I
For
the
past
year,
and
then
we're
going
to
be
opening
up
a
lot
of
pieces
of
the
property
over
the
next
few
years
for
development,
so
I'm
worried
about
precedent
and
in
light
of
the
neighbors
and
what
I
think
is
a
really
fair
change
to
the
recommendation
from
the
neighborhood
I'd
like
to
bring
that
forward
and
I
did
present
it
to
staff.
Earlier
it's
an
amendment
and
I'll,
just
I'll
read
it.
I
There
is
a
slight
change,
because
my
seconder
is
is
councillor
Neill
and
he
would
like
to
change
it
to
August
50
instead
of
August
1st,
but
I'll
just
read
it.
It
says
that
Ella
stone
corporation
be
granted
a
conditional
exemption
from
the
normal
7:00
p.m.
to
7:00
a.m.
prohibition
on
noise
from
construction
activity
under
Schedule
B
of
bylaw
number
2004
52
by
law
to
regulate
noise
to
allow
for
construction
activity,
and
this
is
a
change
related
solely
to
demolition.
Since
that's
what
that
is
what
the
original
was.
I
That's
what
the
original
ask
was
at
the
Providence
Care
Hospital
site
between
7:00
p.m.
and
9:00
p.m.
Monday
through
Thursday.
So
that's
the
neighbourhood
is
asking
that
they
have
their
weekends
inclusive
between
May,
3rd
and
August
15
than
that's
the
change
but
not
including
any
statutory
holiday
subject
to
the
following
conditions.
Number
1
is
the
same
as
staffs
report:
no
hydraulic
hammering
truck
loading
addition
or
backing
of
vehicles
or
construction
equipment
that
uses
audible,
automatic
back
up,
alarms,
permitted
after
7:00
o'clock
and
that
actually
relates
to
truck
loading.
B
Q
I
Anything:
ok,
yes,
ok,
I'll,
just
read
through
the
other
two
points.
Yep
number
two
is
gone:
only
inside
work
be
permitted
after
9:00
number,
three
Ellis
dawn
and
its
subcontractors
roll
carry
out
the
general
practices
to
reduce
noise
and
vibration
and
set
out
in
the
PDI
Priestly
demolition
letter,
dwellest
dawn
on
March
24th
and,
in
addition,
we'll
carry
up
noise
monitoring
after
7:00
p.m.
to
ensure
the
sound
level
does
not
exceed
67.
Disabled
and
I'll.
I
B
I
The
demolition
interior
sounds
quiet,
but
when
you're
demolishing
a
building
there
are
no
services
so
to
demolish.
You
have
to
use
generators
to
produce
the
lights
and
the
equipment
to
do
the
demolition
and
that's
noisy.
We
all
know
what
it's
like
to
have
generators
and
there
will
be
numerous
generators
you
can
expect,
because
we've
already
heard
there
will
be
a
lot
of
people
working
on
this
as
fast
as
possible.
I
We
also
know
that
when
we
grant
noise
bylaw
exemptions
such
as
for
Queens,
we
do
ask
staff
to
check
or
make
sure
that
the
neighbourhood
has
a
phone
number
that
they
can
call
if
they
feel
that
this
is
getting
too
much.
But
it's
being
gone
over
that
it's
gone
over
the
line
because
we
are
talking
about
one
of
our
major
public
parks
and
we
have
hundreds
of
people
who
live
in
the
neighborhood.
I
The
other
exemptions
that
we
just
heard
about
tended
to
be
in
places
where
there
weren't
a
lot
of
people
living,
and
we
do
have
a
lot
of
people
in
this
area
and
we
will
have
a
lot
of
families
and
children
during
the
summer.
So
I
think
this
is
really
a
very
fair
compromise
from
the
community
to
say.
Yes,
we
understand
that
there
will
be
short-term
pain
to
make
sure
this
hospital
gets
its
parking
lot
and
it's
servicing,
because
I
understand,
they're
servicing
has
to
be
done
as
well.
I
This
seems
to
be
a
good
compromise
for
the
hospital
I
presume
the
building
can
be
put
up
later,
because
we
know
that
the
asphalt
has
to
be
put
in
before
the
plants
closed
that
lately
has
been
getting
later
and
later
in
the
season,
as
our
summers
and
Falls
get
longer
so
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
panic
about
the
asphalt
plants
closing
too
early,
so
I
am
very
much
in
favor
of
what
the
neighborhood
is
proposed
in
this.
What
I
think
is
very
fair
compromise.
Thank
you.
Thank.
J
J
Except
that
the
amendment
alters
it
from
11:00
to
9:00
and
I'm,
so
I'm.
Looking
for
the
rationale,
so
in
order
to
support
that
part
of
the
amendment
I
seeking
an
answer,
I
can't,
so
anybody
can
work
internally
from
9:00
to
11:00
if
they
want,
they
just
have
some
limitations
as
to
the
amount
of
noise
they
can
produce.
That
would
go
outside
the
building.
Is
that
accurate,
mr.
clean.
P
Viewership
in
terms
of
the
noise
by
law
and
the
noise
by
law
itself
is
not
saying
that
construction
activity
cannot
occur
after
a
certain
hour.
It's
more
specifically
saying
that
noise
generated
by
construction
activity
is
not
permitted
after
a
certain
hour
if
it
is
audible
to
a
person
in
a
residence
or
premise,
and
that
person
is
bothered
by
it
or
disturbed
by
it.
So
to
your
point:
if
construction
activity
were
to
occur
indoors
after
9
p.m.
P
J
That
would
mean
the
way
I
first
foresee
it.
If
I
can,
that
would
just
mean
that
if
Alice
Dawn
isn't
completed
the
work
by
that
date,
they'll
come
to
Council
and
ask
first
and
request
an
extension
of
an
of
that
noise
exemption.
So
I
think
both
of
both
ends
of
this
amendment
are
very,
very
sensible.
Thank
you.
E
E
We
heard
from
presenters
this
evening,
one
in
particular
that
this
was
an
issue
related
to
accessibility
for
patients,
accessibility
for
the
caregivers
and
any
such
delay
is
going
to
have
an
impact
of
that
and
I.
Think
we've
got
to
get
our
moral
straight
around
here
as
to
who
it
is
that
we're
looking
to
protect,
in
this
instance,
there's
very
few
pieces
of
equipment.
Now
that
you
use
that
don't
have
some
type
of
audible,
backup
system
on
it,
you
go
into
a
Home
Depot
anything
they
use
in
their
to
cart
around
pieces
of
wood,
any
lumber.
E
It's
got
the
back-up
beeper!
Everything
has
that.
So,
if
you
don't
want
that,
you
might
as
well
shut
it
down.
I
think
this
is
just
something:
that's
not
going
to
work
in
favor
of
supporting
them.
Attempting
to
get
this
work
done
in
a
reasonable
amount
of
time,
so
that
those
that
they
serve
can
have
the
access.
That's
required
the
parking
that's
required.
E
The
mover
was
talking
about
camping
or
bangers
or
whatever
it
was
that
you
referred
to.
I
haven't
seen
those
used
in
many
years
when
it
comes
to
the
construction
of
roadways
or
parking
lots,
they
use
them
in
sidewalks
types.
Things
like
that:
they're
tiny,
that
they
need
tamping
it,
but
anything
else.
E
And
if
you
start
eliminating
the
ability
for
those
contracts
to
be
fulfilled,
then
it
is
going
to
cost
more
money.
For
those
that
probably
can't
afford
any
more
than
we
could,
if
it
was
our
project,
so
I
guess
you
have
to
put
yourself
in
the
shoes
of
those
that
are
the
patients
and
the
caregivers.
Would
you
want
this
type
of
thing
input
in
place
to
restrict
the
work
from
getting
done
in
a
timely
manner?
E
One
complaint
comes
in
they're
there
to
to
to
review
that
complaint
to
analyze
and
see
if
it's
legit
or
frivolous
and
to
deal
with
it
so
I'm
not
going
to
support
this
I
think
it
goes
far
two
and
one
to
fire
in
one
direction
and
I'd
rather
look
at
what
the
original
recommendation
it
was
before
us
in
the
package
that
we
received
last
week
with
the
potential
for
a
couple
of
amendments
to
that.
Thank
you.
Worship
thank.
C
D
R
You
and
through
your
worship,
so
in
our
conversations
with
with
providence
care
staff.
It's
our
understanding
that,
based
on
any
deviations
to
the
recommendation
that
went
forward
in
the
staff
report
for
the
exemption
that,
if
the
work
isn't
able
to
be
completed
by
November,
because
we
don't
have
the
additional
time
that
it
will
have
to
continue
into
the
spring,
because
once
you
get
into
a
certain
type
of
weather,
ash
fault
isn't
able
to
be
distributed
and
created.
So
it
will
extend
those
the
length
of
the
project.
S
Is
that
we're
sending
out
a
message
to
builders
into
contractors
that
we
are
not
here
to
do
business
with
people
and
that
concerns
me
and
I
think
the
message
should
be
clear
that
when
you
come
here,
you
can
get
your
work
done,
not
setting
up
all
these
restrictions
and
saying
no,
you
can't
work
until
this
time
until
that
time,
I
think
we
get
the
project
done
and
we
get
it
over
the
goal
line
as
quick
as
possible
with
less
pain.
Thank
you.
B
R
Thank
you,
and
through
you,
so
67
decibels,
as
was
indicated
in
in
the
delegation
earlier
in
the
meeting.
It
isn't
actually
a
high
level
of
noise,
it's
something
that
would
be
relative
to
the
sound
of
a
lawn
mower,
maybe
a
really
loud
hairdryer.
So
when
you're,
comparing
that
relative
to
construction
activity,
it
is
fairly
restrictive,
I
believe
the
decibel
reading
that
is
referenced
in
the
amendment.
B
This
is
not
an
easy
decision
for
council
to
make,
because
we
essentially
have
to
do
almost
a
committee
work
here
to
try
to
find
the
exact
compromise
that
we
think
will
work
that
will
try
to
alleviate
residents
concerns
at
the
same
time
allow
the
construction
work
to
happen
as
well.
So
it's
one
of
those
situations
is
what
it
is
personally.
I
think
that
there
are
valid
concerns
on
both
sides
of
this
I'm
I
think
that
there
should
be
a
compromise
I'm
just
not
convinced.
This
is
the
right
one.
B
It
seems
to
me
that
we
have
a
choice
between
restricting
the
hours
and
extending
the
time
frame
for
work
or
compressing
it
by
extending
the
hours
so
that
the
working
that
done
faster.
It
seems
to
me
that
of
the
two
options,
that's
the
better
way
to
go
so
I'm
going
to
vote
against
this
amendment
and
if
it
loses
then
I'm
going
to
propose
another
amendment
that
will
simply
alter
the
time
frame
from
September
the
1st
to
August
the
first
to
put
some
pressure
on
getting
that
work
done
as
quickly
as
possible.
B
Give
them
the
extended
hours
to
do
that,
and
then
they
would
have
to
come
back
to
Council
if
they
want
more
time
after
that,
so
that
would
be
the
alternative.
So
I
just
think
that
this
is
just
not
the
right
compromise.
I
think
we
should
try
again
on
this,
so
I
won't
support
the
amendment.
Thank
you.
Thank.
N
I
You
very
pattern
this
is.
This
is
really
quite
fascinating.
Isn't
it
because
we're
talking
about
construction,
but
really
we're
talking
about
a
big
change,
that's
being
requested
by
someone
who's
constructing
a
parking
lot?
Now
it's
a
hospital,
so
we've
got
a
lot
of
emotion
involved
in
it.
If
it
was
somebody
who's,
building
a
apartment
building
you
know
over
on
the
east
end,
we
there
wouldn't
be
any
emotion
one
way
it
would
come
the
other.
So
we've
got
an
emotional
element
to
this.
We've
got
a
construction
element
to
this.
I
I
will
save
for
doing
a
parking
lot.
You
need
a
vibrating
roller
and
it's
a
big
one
and
it
vibrates,
while
it
rolls
because
it
has
to
compact
the
soil,
so
councilor,
George
and
I
could
have
a
great
debate
about
construction
fair
enough,
but
we
are
not
construction
experts.
We
are
not
scheduling
experts
in
terms
of
what
time
it
takes
to
build
something.
We
know
that
a
hospital
was
built
on
time
on
budget.
I
Suddenly,
the
parking
lot
is
going
to
require
a
massive
change
in
our
noise
by
law,
for
an
exemption
so
I
don't
know
the
specifics.
I
actually
asked
for
the
schedule
from
the
construction
company.
Just
so
I
could
find
a
another
construction
person
and
we
could
pick
it
apart.
Try
to
see
why
they
need
this
huge
exemption
to
our
noise
bylaw.
I
So
I've
done
my
best,
we'll
see
what
this
council
does
with
it.
The
67
decibels
did
come
from
a
supporter
of
the
amendment
request.
It
was
their
number,
not
mine,
so
that's
why
it's
in
there
and
generators
will
be
needed
for
the
interior
demolition.
That's
why?
If
you
work
inside
your
house
after
7:00,
that's
fine!
If
you
put
a
couple
of
generators
outside
your
door
and
try
to
work
after
seven
o'clock,
the
city
will
say
no,
so
we
have
a
bylaw
for
a
reason.
I
We
have
a
very
important
hospital
that
that
you
know
we
have
a
lot
of
emotions
for
because
it's
very
important
they've
also
said
they
don't
want
noise
disturbing
their
patients,
but
we
know
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
rock
fracturing
a
lot
of
vibrating
rollers
a
lot
of
work
this
summer,
so
it's
going
to
be
a
very
busy
place.
I
would
prefer
that
it's
not
it
not
be
busy.
After
nine
o'clock
for
the
neighborhood
I
leave
it
in
your
hands.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
B
N
B
N
There's
amendment
on
the
floor
by
is
worship
and
strictly
to
the
time
of
the
of
the
permitted
exemption,
and
so
this
would
just
going
to
be
up
on
the
screen
in
a
moment
here
and
I.
Believe
it'll
it'll
effect
the
time
frame
that
the
exemption
would
allow.
We'll
just
wait
for
it
to
come
up
here
and
then
we
can
debate
it
using
looks
like
it
seconded
by
Councillor
Turner
and
then,
when
it's
up
I
guess
you'll
be
reading
it
and
speaking
to
it,.
B
Thank
you
so,
just
to
be
clear,
all
this
amendment
is
proposing
to
do
is
to
replace
the
timber
first
with
August
first.
This
is
what
I
believe
is
a
different
attempt
to
compromise
that
essentially
tries
to
put
a
fire
under
those
that
are
doing
this
work,
to
get
it
done
as
quickly
as
possible.
So
this
is
this
approaches
ripping
the
band-aid
off.
Let's
just
get
it
done.
If
we
need
a
little
bit
of
extra
time
to
do
it
so
be
it,
but
then
it
should
be
done.
B
What
I
think
would
be
the
worst
case
scenario
for
everyone
is
if
it's
work
had
to
continue
into
the
fall
or
into
next
spring.
So
for
that
reason,
that's
why
I
would
propose
this
as
a
compromise,
responding
to
the
fact
that
the
residents
are
concerns.
In
my
view,
this
would
be
a
more
reasonable
balance.
Thank.
N
You
councillor
George,
so
yes,
you,
if
you
see
on
page
four
of
the
agenda
item
D
as
printed,
the
change
is
in
the
middle
of
the
first
Clause
near
the
end,
sort
of
the
first
concert
since
September.
First,
so
the
between
May
3rd
and
September,
1st
2017
I,
believe
the
amendment
is
saying
to
change
that
from
so
read
between
May
3rd
and
August
1st
2017.
So
it's
a
change
of
one
month
shorter
in
the
total
timeframe
of
the
exemption
just
to
be
care.
Anyone
else
wish
to
speak
to
the
amendment.
B
B
B
N
I
just
have
a
question
to
staff
at
baking
for
clarification
because
of
the
way
it's
worded
eyes
want
to
be
clear.
So
the
report
says
that
the
this
account
can
be
closed
because
in
the
current
context,
the
direction
from
Council
is
not
required
for
this
money
and
the
money
can
be
returned
and
what
would
happen
in
the
future
when
it
comes
to
the
sort
of
file
regarding
the
construction
of
a
parkade.
T
See
what
through
you,
your
worship?
So
yes,
this
report
is
simply
advising
council
that
the
deferred
motion
that
was
on
the
books
for
but
six
months
is
no
longer
required
to
be
voted
on,
and
this
report
asked
to
close
that
project
at
which
time
council
has
already
provided
a
million
dollars
to
investigate
additional
information
and
report
back
at
that
time.
When
we
report
back,
which
is
likely
to
be
within
about
12
months,
we
will
then
seek
a
specific
budget
for
whatever
it
is.
We
propose
to
Council
to
build.
Thank.
B
C
L
C
L
I
Thank
You
Barry
Patterson
a
couple
of
questions
to
staff
about
the
proposal
in
this
change:
we're
not
going
to
have
the
interim
control
bylaws
the
proposal,
but
what
are
some
of
the
immediate
implementations
that
you
are
considering
in
this?
What
how
will
that
help
alleviate
some
of
the
issues
that
we
were
raised
during
the
bylaw
discussion
segment?
I
R
You,
your
worship
and
through
you
the
first
two
immediate
steps
that
were
proposing
and
move
forward
with.
As
part
of
this
overall
package
of
recommendations,
one
would
be
to
remove
section
523
of
the
viola.
That
is
the
conversion
section.
So
what
that
section
of
the
bylaw
does
is
it
allows
the
conversion
of
single-family
residences
to
two
unit
or
to
two
to
Maltese,
there's
different
provisions
that
apply
to
each
and
those
are
as
of
right
permissions.
So
when
I
say
as
of
right,
it
means
that
they
are
already
entitled
on
the
property.
R
So
by
taking
those
sections
out
of
the
bylaw
anything
related
to
addition
of
additional
dwelling
units
to
a
single
family,
home
or
converting,
it
would
have
to
go
through
a
public
process.
So
it's
part
of
the
first
draft
of
the
comprehensive
zoning.
Bylaws
staff
had
already
removed
that
section
of
the
bylaw.
R
So,
instead
of
waiting
to
go
through
the
final
process
of
public
consultation
and
implementation
of
that
bylaw,
which
is
going
to
take
an
extended
period
of
time,
we're
proposing
to
enact
those
changes
right
away,
bring
forward
a
public
meeting
on
that,
because
we
do
have
to
facilitate
a
public
process
in
June
and
then
for
it
swiftly
after
that,
with
a
comprehensive
report
to
planning
committee.
So
that's
recommendation
number
one.
The
second
recommendation
that
we
had
proposed
moving
forward
with
immediately
is
related
to
enacting
the
amenity
space
provisions.
R
So
it's
part
of
the
overall
study
that
the
city
did.
In
2015,
we
created
a
new
set
of
amenity
space
requirements
for
all
multi
residential
developments.
That
study
did
not
look
at
an
application
of
amenity
space
requirements,
one
in
two
family
dwellings,
and
that
is
a
gap
that
exists
in
our
policy
right
now.
So
as
part
of
the
recommendation,
staff
is
proposing
to
work
over
the
month
of
May
to
develop
a
one
and
two
family
dwelling
amenity
space
requirement.
R
That
would
be
looking
at
something
that
would
be
proportional
to
the
overall
size
of
the
lot
and
what
that
would
do.
It
would
reduce
the
amount
of
buildable
space
that
can
be
accommodated
within
any
residential
building
lot
that
allows
one
in
two
family
dwellings
so
similar
to
the
conversion
policies.
We
would
recommend
going
forward
for
a
public
meeting
on
that
in
June
and
then,
following
shortly
after
that
was
a
comprehensive
report
with
the
amending
bylaws.
I
That's
wonderful.
Thank
you.
Just
to
to
sort
of
clarify
the
amenity
space
would
mean
that
some
of
these
giant
homes
that
have
gone
on
Lots
would
no
longer
be
able
to
once
we
change
this
amenity
space
for
one
of
two
family
dwellings,
because
they
won't
be
able
to
build
so
much
building
on
the
lot
is
that
correct?
I
R
Thank
you
through
you,
mayor
Paterson,
so
that's
correct
the
amenity
space
provision
that
we
envision
applying
to
one
and
two
family
dwellings.
What
that
will
help
to
do
is
to
require
an
area
in
the
rear
yard
of
the
property
that
will
be
used
for
amenity
space.
So
that's
not
to
say
that
it
can
be
paved
for
parking.
It's
actually
something
that
we
would
propose
in
addition
to
the
minimum
rear
yard
standard.
So
some
Lots
in
the
synonym
district,
for
example.
Some
of
them
are
two
or
three
hundred
feet
deep.
R
So
you
can
imagine
if
the
zoning
right
now
says
the
rear
yard
as
a
minimum
has
to
be
7.5
meters
and
there's
no
amenity
space
requirement,
as
there
is
now
that
leads
a
significant
portion
of
the
lot
that
can
be
developed
for
a
building
envelope.
So,
in
effect,
by
creating
an
additional
standard
for
the
zoning
that
looks
at
amenity
space,
it
shrinks
the
overall
building
envelope
that
can
be
achieved
on
a
lot.
I
J
R
You
and
through
you
so
as
we
work
within
the
ontario
planning
legislation
related
to
any
land
use
planning
policy,
any
type
of
policy
amendment
that
you
enact
or
change
of
that
nature
is
subject
to
a
public
process
which
has
appeal
rights
associated
with
it.
So
each
of
these
policy
related
changes
that
we're
proposing
to
make
from
a
staff
perspective.
They
all
have
appeal
rights
associated
with
them.
Once
council
makes
a
decision
so.
J
J
U
Smears
so
that's
correct
it.
They
could
be
appealed,
as
director
Agnew
stated
now.
One
of
the
things
we
actually
didn't
include
in
the
report,
but
that's
something
that
counsel
should
be
aware
of,
but
counsel
still
has
the
ability
to
implement
an
interim
control
bylaws
should
any
of
these
policies,
for
whatever
reason
be
appealed
in
and
delayed
significantly,
so
it
doesn't
take
away
counsels
ability
to
move
ahead
with
an
interim
Control
bylaw
in
that
situation.
J
Guess
time
will
tell
how
how
successful
this
can
be.
I
am
happy
that
some
of
those
unintended
consequences
like
affordable,
secondary
suites,
which
I
really
support,
won't
be
caught
up
in
a
in
in
an
interim
Control
bylaw
that
doesn't
intend
to
stop
sensible
infilling,
but
in
fact,
would
would
potentially
have
that
effect.
C
N
You
worship,
I,
just
can't
stand
up
here,
I'm
going
to
start
off
by
reading,
just
as
background
just
to
remind
folks
staff
and
council.
There
was
a
public
meeting
on
March
1st
as
a
result
of
previous
motion
that
did
have
an
interim
Control
bylaw
attached.
So
we
were
debating
that
whole
thing.
There
was
a
public
meeting.
N
Remember
we
added
up
there
after
a
meeting
in
January
I
believe
and
the
there
was
a
one
of
the
speakers
at
the
public
meeting
was
a
nine-year-old
from
the
neighborhood
from
my
district
and
I've
got
the
text
of
her
speech.
Her
I'm,
not
gonna,
read
the
whole
thing:
I'm
just
going
to
read
a
little
bit
just
to
remind
you
of
sort
of
the
emotion,
that's
behind
the
residents
of
my
district
and
and
why
they
need
something
done.
So
this
is
from
9
year
old,
Emily
MacDonald.
N
Why
do
I
want
an
interim
Control
bylaw
passed
because
I
like
living
in
Kingston
I
can
bike
to
school
and
bike
in
my
neighborhood
without
too
much
traffic
I
can
walk
to
school.
I
know
all
my
neighbors.
We
say
hello
to
each
other.
When
we
see
them,
we
can
walk
to
the
lake
and
the
park
or
the
corner
store
with
friends
and
it's
safe
I
can
play
with
my
friends
outside
safety,
because
we
know
the
people
neighborhood
and
every
up
everyone
watches
out
for
each
other.
N
She
goes
on
to
say:
we
give
her
a
bunch
of
reasons
why
I
like
my
family
living
in
Kingston.
She
also
says
why
should
we
stop
these
monster
conversions
for
the
next
year,
referring
to
the
one
year
period
of
the
ICB
l,
and
she
gives
a
fruit
two
reasons
there
and
then
she
edits
by
saying
I
moved
here,
because
my
parents
wanted
a
better
place
to
raise
my
sisters
and
myself
without
having
a
long
commute.
But
if
we
lose
our
neighborhoods
and
community
feeling,
there
would
be
no
reason
to
stay
in
Kingston.
N
You
put
the
freeze
on
a
certain
type
of
building
and
had
we
been
very
specific
and
focused
at
the
time
we
could
have
had
in
control
bylaw
that
did
that
without
too
much
collateral
damage
as
it
would
set
an
interim
control.
Vial
is
a
double-edged
sword,
so,
on
the
one
time
on
the
one
side,
it
freezes
undesirable
development
for
a
period,
but
on
the
other
side
it
also
has
a
detrimental
effect.
I
was
pointed
out
by
many
people
that
were
against
it.
N
That's
a
detrimental
effect
to
the
building
industry,
to
people
that
want
to
convert
add
an
addition
to
their
home,
not
for
extra
housing,
but
just
for
themselves
such
as
a
snap
mentioned
earlier,
and
so
that's
that's.
The
pros
and
cons
of
in
turn,
control
by
law
I
still
think
we
could.
We
could
use
one
if
we
wanted
to,
and
it's
certainly
our
prerogative
we
wish
to.
But
I
am
actually
satisfied
that
the
current
proposal
from
staff
of
the
five
or
six
different
recommendations
they
do
they
are.
N
They
do
go
a
long
way
to
getting
us
to
a
place
where
Emily
McDonald
can
maintain
that
sense
of
family
neighborhood
and
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
the
get
the
only
reason
the
suggestion
is
there,
that
these
monster
home
conversions
are
detrimental
to
the
neighborhood
fabric,
is
simply
because
they're
a
monoculture
so
they're.
They
enable
very,
very
large
home
conversions
that
go
up
to
like
1216
bedrooms
are
only
usable
by
one
demographic
they're.
N
Not
they
can't
go
back
to
being
a
family
home
after
after
they've
been
built,
and
that
is
sort
of
the
big
reason
why
they
should
be
avoided.
The
fabric
is
changed
forever.
So
that's
what
Emily
MacDonald's
getting
at
in
her
letter
is
that
the
homes
that
could
be
used
by
tenants
that
go
to
Queens
or
by
families
such
as
the
one
I
live
in
myself.
They
go
away
when
we
are
too
permissive
with
what
we
allow
them
to
do.
And
so
that's
that's
exactly.
N
What's
behind
the
work
staff
has
done
the
amenity
space
requirement,
combined
with
the
parking
requirement
calculated
by
bedroom
rather
than
by
unit
shrink
the
opportunity
that
an
unsympathetic
landowner
has
to
cloth.
Another
house
behind
a
house,
or
you
know,
have
a
200
foot
long
house
that
you
sometimes
see
30.
N
You
because
they
wouldn't
there's
just
not
enough
room
on
a
single-family
lot
to
do
that,
even
with
the
big
lot
to
the
existing
Signum.
So
thanks
again,
as
it
was
said
by
my
colleagues
for
the
work
that
you've
done,
we're
cheering
you
on
as
you
implement
the
bylaws
as
you
have
stricter
enforcement,
as
you
do
all
the
other
things
that
you've
mentioned
in
this
report
and,
of
course,
I
reserve
the
right
to
revisit
this
issue
in
future,
if
not
find
that
my
residents
are
not
happy
with
the
echo.
Thank
you
thank.
L
You
worship,
I
just
want
to
thank
staff
for
winding
their
way
through
the
seconds
to
come
up
with
the
things
of
me
quite
a
clear
roadmap
to
where
we
can
actually
do
something
about
these
problems
that
we
find
in
the
downtown,
particularly
the
removal
of
the
conversion
provisions.
He
has
a
right
aspect
and
I
think
this
will
be
welcomed
by
most
residents
throughout
the
downtown
and
there
would
least
be
some
kind
of
public
oversight
and
control
what
the
provisions
of
the
other
way.
These
things
are
done,
and
hopefully
it'll
all
be
ameliorated.
L
I
just
have
one
small
question:
when
you're
talking
about
you're
going
to
do
a
growth,
identify
growth
strategy
and
which
will
hopefully
lead
to
guiding
future
development
and
zoning
changes
in
the
study
will
not
include
Waynesville
prints,
the
street
corridor
or
the
area
of
the
North
Kingstown
secondary
plan.
I
believe
I
understand
why.
L
Okay
things
are
in
flux,
okay,
but
I
presume
that
he
doesn't
mean
that
we,
we
can't
entertain
that
after
we've
had
reports
and
developments
on
these
particular
areas
and,
of
course,
mostly
concerned
about
the
North
Kingstown
secondary
palm,
because
it's
in
my
district.
So
a
second
would
that
be
accurate.
Thank.
R
You
to
you
so
there's
a
specific
reason
for
the
exclusion
of
those
two
areas:
the
princess
Sarie
corridor,
most
more
specifically
in
Williamsville,
already
went
through
a
Main
Street
study
and
subject
to
the
development
of
special
policies
or
secondary
plan
for
that
area
that
were
intended
to
guide
growth
and
are
fairly
specific
in
nature,
what's
under
being
undertaken
over
the
next
year
of
with
respect
to
the
North
Kingstown
area.
It's
the
same
process.
R
L
You
just
one
other
question,
and
that
is
it's
a
very
small
aspect
than
just
once
and
clarification.
It
talks
about
a
couple
paragraphs
before
we
that
part
I
was
talking
about
is
including
a
strategy
to
up
the
zone.
Certain
locations
where
land
assembly
is
possible
to
support
high-density
purpose-built
housing.
L
R
An
insulated
a
thank
you
and
through
you,
so
it's
part
of
doing
the
the
study
that's
proposed
as
part
of
the
recommendation.
What
it'll
essentially
do
is
look
at
more
specifically
directing
the
way
we
want
to
see
the
additional
residential
growth
within
the
areas
that
are
already
built
up
to
some
extent
with
existing
neighborhoods.
So
there
are
some
examples:
I'm
trying
to
think
of
one
off
the
top
of
my
head,
maybe
Aberdeen
Street,
for
example.
That's
a
street
where
Queens
owns
a
lot
of
property.
R
R
It
would
allow
more
of
a
multi
residential
style
dwelling
so
that
a
larger
purpose-built
residential
dwelling
could
be
put
in
those
areas
subject
to
ensuring
that
there's
good
compatibility
with
the
existing
built
formats
around
it
and
by
virtue
of
identifying
the
key
opportunities
to
create
zoning
for
that
type
of
housing,
we
will
be
putting
restriction
on
other
streets
to
prevent
further
intensification
within
those
areas.
To
ensure
that
we're
not
compromising
further
neighborhood
stability.
A
B
B
J
You
I
have
just
a
question
for
staff
and
I
apologize
for
not
calling
sooner
and
it
may
be
the
CEO
wearing
his
former
had
as
city
treasurer.
That
may
know
the
answer
to
this
question.
Item
B
in
C,
the
new
multi
res
property
class
is
at
half
the
ratio
of
the
existing
multi
residential
and
there's
actually
property
owners
that
have
questioned
me
about
that.
So
I'd
love
to
have
an
answer
for
them.
J
T
You
one
through
you,
your
worship,
yes,
you're,
correct
councillor
Neill,
that
was
a
legislation
introduced
by
the
province
a
number
of
years
ago,
I'm
thinking
eight
to
ten
years
ago
now,
we're
in
new
volunteer
residential
property
were
taxed
at
tax
ratio.
One,
the
former
multi
residential
ratio
was
established
at
amalgamation
as
part
of
the
fixing
of
tax
ratios
by
for
municipalities,
across
the
problems
and
on
that
ratio.
T
As
you
know,
we
have
been
moving
that
downward
over
the
past
seven
years
in
accordance
with
the
policy
reduction
and
this
year,
it's
being
reduced
to
the
ratio
of
two
to
coincide
with
the
legislation.
That's
been
established
by
the
province
for
this
year
and
as
a
report
indicates,
if
you
had
a
chance
to
read
it.
I
know
it
went
to
committee
in
detail,
but
the
province
will
also
set
some
direction
for
the
2018
and
future
years.
With
respect
to
that.
T
But
to
your
point
about
the
new
residential
property
Council
here
in
Kingston
adopted
that
policy
in
accordance
with
the
with
the
regulation
from
the
from
the
province
and
those
new
multi
residential
buildings
that
have
been
built
since
that
time
are
habitats
ratio.
One
and
they
have
a
life
of
thirty
to
thirty-five
years,
to
which,
at
which
time
they
will
then
revert
back
to
the
ratio
for
multi
res
depending
what
it
is
at
the
time
and.
V
T
Com3
year
or
so,
the
the
rate
is
being
set
in
2017
tax
ratios
with
this
recommendation
is
a
ratio
of
two
for
multi
residential.
The
strategy
that
council
adopted
seven
years
ago
would
have
brought
it
to
2.1
in
2017,
so
we
were
very,
very
close
to
what
the
province
has
now
set
of
that,
so
there
will
be
no
further
reduction
at
this
point
in
time
on
the
basis
of
that
policy.
So
we've
we've
mitigated
that
change
over
the
seven
years.
L
T
T
The
overall
assessment
has
increased
fairly
significantly
relative
to
other
classes,
to
which
the
province
took
the
step
to
introduce
the
tax
ratio
at
they
will
further
analyze
that
over
the
course
of
the
coming
months,
and
they
will
inform
us
probably
within
about
10
months
as
to
what
they
recommend
for
future
years.
That
doesn't
mean
that
the
city
could
not
further
change
that
ratio.
L
Thank
you
I'll
just
say
that
it
simply
matters
fairness,
that
people
in
multi
residential
properties
should
not
pay
ratio
higher
than
the
residential
homeowner.
It's
one
of
the
reasons
why,
seven
years
ago,
the
province
a
little
before
that
I
think
allowed
that
and
believe
it
or
not.
I've
had
calls
a
book.
It's
not
now,
but
previously,
a
little
lady
living
in
an
apartment
and
village
drive
for
me
last
year.
I
think
it
said.
L
B
N
A
W
You,
your
worship,
I
support
the
multi-use
pathway
along
the
water
side
for
years,
residents
have
asked
for
safe
bike
lanes
so
that
they
can
ride
along
Bath
Road.
This
project
will
give
them
a
safe
route
for
years.
Residents
have
asked
for
a
sidewalk
along
Bath
Road
and
again
this
project
will
give
them
a
paved
pathway.
Is
there
a
safety
problem?
Well
to
answer
that
question
through
your
worship?
I
just
wondered:
if
engineering
has
any
information
on
the
speeds
of
the
cars
that
have
been
seen
around
Bath
Road
around
the
bend
in
this
area,
mr.
X
Few
years
mayor,
yes,
we
do
have
some
speed
information
through
that
quarter
or
Bath
Road,
and
it
certainly
does
indicate
a
higher
speed
than
what
is
the
posted
speed
limit.
In
fact,
the
85th
percentile
speed
along
these
section
that
has
a
60
kilometre
speed
limit,
is
about
over
80
kilometers
an
hour
for
the
section
that
has
posted
50
kilometers.
Now
we
have
an
average
speed
of
about
60
kilometers
an
hour
great.
W
Thank
you.
It
is
also
pitch
black
along
bass,
Road
at
nighttime,
because
there's
no
streetlight
an
added
bonus
of
this
project
is
that
street
lights
will
be
added
from
George's
marine
to
the
Bay
Ridge
overpass,
where
there's
currently
no
streetlights
at
all,
then
between
George's
marine
and
the
homes
along
fast
Road
in
Collins,
Bay,
solar
lights
are
going
to
be
added
along
the
south
side
to
provide
lighting
around
the
bend.
So
there's
lots
of
benefits.
W
The
Ministry
of
Transportation
right
now
is
working
on
a
project
to
build
bike
lane
from
Adolphus
Town
to
Collins
Bay
beginning
this
summer.
This
project
tonight
will
linked
both
new
bike
lanes,
created
by
MTO
to
the
city's
existing
bike
lanes
over
on
favorites
Drive
Thru
Coverdale
Drive,
providing
that
important
link
that
mr.
Healey
talked
about
tonight
for
the
Ontario
waterfront
trail
network.
Collins
Bay
is
a
very
important
area
to
connect
to
this
waterfront
trail.
So
I
am
a
driver
and
I
live
right
off
the
bath
Road.
W
This
project
directly
affects
me
as
much
as
all
the
other
drivers
that
take
that
Collins
Bay,
Road
and
Bath
Road
intersection
every
day.
I
have
invested
in
turn
interest
in
this,
because
it's
my
route
to
work,
and
it
has
been
for
the
last
18
years
that
I've
lived
here
in
Collins
Bay
I'm
I've
asked
staff.
Many
questions
about
traffic
flows
on
those
have
been
my
main
concern,
as
well
as
what
I
think
this
council
has
seen
from
the
emails
and
the
feedback
on
social
media
all
about
the
traffic
flows.
W
So
with
that
concern
in
mind
regarding
traffic
flows,
I'd
like
to
propose
on
you
know
a
change
on
to
the
project
and
that,
although
we
will
keep
the
network,
the
the
multi
youth
pathway,
the
same
that
on
the
north
side,
we
keep
two
westbound
lanes
going
as
they
are
today.
So
I
will
give
you
the
wording
of
my
amendment
and
then,
if
there's
what
we
do
have
a
seconder.
And
then
we
have
a
diagram
to
show
that.
How
that
exactly
would
look
like.
Okay,.
W
W
All
right,
thank
you,
I'm
from
the
driver's
seat,
okay,
so
over
on
the
left
that
is
westbound,
so
that's
to
the
west,
so
that's
am
receive
over
on.
The
right
is
eastbound,
so
that's
going
towards
the
city
and
the
lake
is
right
here,
so
we
will
have
I'm
still
with
this
amendment.
The
waterfront
is
like
the
multi-use
pathway
is
still
right
along
the
water
and
blue.
That
does
not
change.
We
still
have
the
funding.
You
know
to
build
this
pathway,
all
that
the
money
basically
goes
into
the
pathway,
then
heading
eastbound.
W
We
do
have
like
the
one
lane
of
traffic
on
the
other
side
of
the
Collins
Bay
traffic
Collins
main
road
traffic
light
and
Collins
Bay
Road
comes
down
here,
and
the
traffic
going
through
to
the
city
is
in
the
right-hand
lane
for
this
left-hand
lane.
That
is
a
dedicated
left-hand
turn
lane
to
get
into
the
businesses
that
are
along
here.
So
what's
the
change
in
the
amendment
is
doing
is
for
westbound
traffic
coming
back
home
at
the
end
of
the
day
is
that
it
stays
as
two
lanes.
W
B
X
Mr.
bender
humans,
c'mere,
the
the
option-
that's
being
discussed
right
now,
would
appear
to
be
a
feasible
alternative
to
what
was
discussed
a
committee.
The
the
change
that
would
be
required
in
order
to
accommodate
this
in
order
to
put
the
two
westbound
lanes
into
effect
would
be
the
elimination
of
the
westbound
dedicated
cycle
lane.
That
would
enable
that
plus,
some
narrowing
of
the
true
lanes
would
create
enough
real
estate
in
order
to
put
back
that
westbound
ruling.
So
that
would
be
the
change
that
would
be
required
in
order
to
see
this
option
exists.
X
F
You,
your
worship
and
through
you
I,
just
want
to
state
that
I
have
heard
from
many
residents
over
this
and
I'm
sure
most
of
us
haven't
seemed
to
be
one
of
those
things
where
the
proposal
went
out
to
the
media
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
there
was
the
great
outcry,
and
essentially
with
that
I
think
that
this
is
a
very
fair
compromise.
It
basically
allows
the
multi-use
pathway
and
having
grown
up
around
that
area
as
well.
I
know
the
speeds
on
bathro.
F
F
Westbound
is
also
going
to
be
a
benefit
and
I
think
this
is
basically
a
balancing
act
between
the
need
to
connect
our
city
with
active
transportation
and
also
the
realization
that
you
know
there
is
going
to
be
a
vast
majority
of
cars
that
are
still
going
to
use
that
area
as
well,
so
I
think
you'll
also
have
a
slight
calming
effect
on
the
speed,
while
at
the
same
time
creating
that
active
transportation
connectivity
so
I'm
more
than
happy
to
support
this.
Thank
you
thank.
G
G
I
was
when
we
had
that
when
we're
approving
various
solar
projects,
we
had
a
couple
that
we
didn't
vote
through,
which
is
kind
of
unique,
because
you
wouldn't
expect
that
we
would
vote
down
on
a
solar
project,
but
so,
but
we
know
we
want
certain
things.
We
know
we
want
solar
energy,
but
we
don't
necessarily
know
exactly
what
we
want
it
to
look
like.
G
This
is
kind
of
one
of
those
situations
where
we
know
we
wanted
to
increase
the
connectivity
of
the
city
with
various
means
transportation
we
want
to
have
you
know
we
want
to
green
the
city.
We
want
to
do
all
these
different
things,
but
we
weren't
exactly
sure
on
how
it
should
look.
So
I
think
that
this
is
a.
G
This
is
kind
of
a
nice
change,
because
I
know
I
had
met
with
a
lot
of
different
members
of
the
community
who
actually
I
drove
out
to
this
site
during
rush
hour
and
sat
with
them
at
and
watched
traffic,
and
all
these
other
things
and
I
think
that
this
is
like.
This
is
a
really
nice
compromise
that
accommodates
everybody
and
I'd
like
to
thank
councillor
sanic
for
kind
of
taking
a
bit
of
a
lead
on
this,
because
we
did
receive
a
lot
of
community
feedback
and
I
think
that
this
is
a
very
good
compromise.
N
Worship,
yes,
good
work,
councillor,
sanic,
working
with
various
said
people.
You
need
to
work
to
to
get
to
compromise
in
place.
What
I
heard
from
the
director
of
engineering
is
that
we're
sacrificing
the
westbound
cycle
lane,
which
is
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
road
from
the
multi-use
pathway,
which
is
actually
a
two-way
pathway?
N
Obviously
just
like
with
a
two-way
street.
If
you've
got
bikes
coming
both
directions,
they
can
be
careful,
but
you
cannot
accommodate
two
lanes
going
in
opposite
directions
on
the
multi-use
pathway,
because
I
believe,
but
just
as
what
KP
trail
three
metres
is
sufficient
for
that
and
the
sort
of
we're
sacrificing
this
other
cycle.
And
so
that's
a
great
idea.
I
just
want
to
point
out,
though,
that
if
part
of
the
when
it
came
to
committee,
we
talked
about
the
speed
of
traffic
and
the
changes
and
mr.
Healy
talked
about
the
road
diet.
N
Zero
movement
and
the
speed
of
traffic,
so
we've
heard
from
engineering
that
this
is
an
area
that,
because
of
the
four
lanes,
because
of
how
wide
it
is
it
in
hurtin
leads
to
speeding,
because
because
there's
there's
no
reason
to
slow
down,
and
so
by
going
to
by
merging
two
lanes,
we
were
having
the
secondary
effect
of
actually
reducing
the
speed
of
traffic
and
anytime
that
you
can
do
that.
You're,
increasing
safety
and
you're
saving
lives.
So
the
four
lanes,
or
doesn't
really
do
that.
N
The
two
lanes
on
the
westbound
doesn't
really
do
that
in
a
general
sense.
But,
however,
it
does
lead
to
a
very
busy
intersection,
a
column
to
a
road
which
will
back
up
when
the
light
is
red,
so
that
in
itself
will
act
as
a
as
a
slowing
down
I'm,
hoping
it's
a
slowing
effect
on
traffic
going
westbound
and
by
maintaining
the
the
narrowing
eastbound
we're
actually
having
that
common
effect.
So
if
it's
possible
for
it
to
be
a
win-win,
it
should
be.
Maybe
I
should
ask
enjoying
staffs
opinion
on
that.
X
Muir
to
you,
mr.
mayor,
a
couple
of
comments:
number
one
is
the
safety
provisions
from
an
active
transportation
perspective
were,
is
still
well
protected,
even
with
this
alternate
design
if
we
have
a
segregated
multi-use
pathway,
so
cyclists,
pedestrians,
anybody,
who's
using
active
forms
of
transportation
and
that
multi-use
path
are
going
to
be
doing
that
at
a
in
a
separated
facility,
with
a
median
Island
to
act
as
a
barrier
against
the
vehicular
traffic.
The
other
point
that
I
mentioned
in
order
to
achieve
this
alternate
design
would
be
a
narrowing
of
the
traffic
lanes.
X
N
Great
to
hear
that's
basically
what
I
wanted
to
have
addressed
in
open
session
openly
asking
that
question.
The
the
compromise
is
a
good
one,
the
I
it's
great.
It's
it's
I
was
surprised
that
we
could
come
to
a
compromise
on
already
produced
engineering
drawings,
but
so
my
my
compliment
and
I
will
be
supporting
them.
Thank
you.
Thank.
E
Thank
you
through
your
worship
to
staff.
Well,
actually,
first
I'll
comment
and
say
that
I
think
I
can
support
this.
Actually
I
wasn't
coming
here.
To
see
me
prepared
to
support
was
what
was
originally
recommended,
but
I
do
have
a
question
for
staff,
given
the
potential
for
continued
traffic
congestion
here,
do
we
have
the
ability,
with
the
traffic
lights
that
are
both
east
and
west
of
this
area,
that
if
we
had
to
deal
with
timing
more
so
rather
than
dealing
with
weighted
intersections,
we
have
that
ability
to
do
that,
and
all
mr.
E
van
Buuren
has
listened
to
me-
complain
about
Gardiner's
road
and
the
ability
to
funnel
traffic
into
the
city
in
the
morning
in
front
of
the
traffic
out
using
timed
lights,
potentially
versus
weighted
intersections,
because
that's
what's
causing
aliyou
get
one
vehicle
coming
out
and
shutting
everything
down
for
30
to
40
seconds,
I'm
wondering
if
that
ability
exists
with
the
intersections
to
the
east
and
the
west
of
this.
If
we
overtime
recognize
that
it's
becoming
a
hazard
due
to
traffic
buildup,
if
we
can
do
that.
X
X
S
Thank
you
and
through
you,
America
Patterson.
Thank
you
for
the
new
rendition
I
appreciate
the
compromise.
I
think
it's
a
good
good
suggestion
and
I
appreciate
your
time
and
work
on
this
I
have
a
question
concerning
emergency
vehicles
and
how
they
would
operate
in
this.
Would
they
go
down
the
center
of
the
laneway
if
there
was
an
accident
or
something
mr.
B
X
Mr.
maryk,
we
would
anticipate
the
operation
of
that
section
about
the
road
if
there
wasn't
a
need
for
emergency
vehicles
to
pass
through
that
area
to
operate.
Much
like
any
other
road
in
the
city
would
where
we
did
anticipate
vicki
their
traffic.
That
would
pull
off
to
you
to
the
side
as
close
to
either
the
shoulder
or
the
the
curb
line.
Is
they
could
creating
enough
space
for
emergency
vehicles
to
pass
through
the
center.
S
X
The
theory
mr.
mayor
there
there
is
certainly
balanced
volumes
in
both
in
East
in
the
westbound
direction.
Through
the
course
of
day,
however,
there
is
a
there
is
a
dominant
flow
direction
through
the
morning
and
the
afternoon
peaks
the
idea
of
using
a
contraflow
Lane.
Yet
we
see
that
happening
in
certain
communities
haven't
really
had
an
opportunity
to
explore
that
in
this
environment.
So
I
don't
think
at
this
point,
I'm
going
to
be
able
to
offer
too
much
more
comment
in
that
regard.
X
X
We
certainly
have
any
southbound
vehicles
that
are
coming
along
calls
bait.
It
would
also
be
potentially
turning
left
to
go
eastbound
on
to
Bath
Road,
but
again,
not
that
we
wouldn't
see
that
as
contributing
to
any
excess
in
terms
of
congestion
or
or
delay
through
that
corridor
in
the
eastbound
direction.
During
the
morning.
W
I'm
just
finish
up
by
saying
that
thank
your
worship,
Adam,
it's
been
a
long
process.
The
first
public
meeting
was
at
the
end
of
October.
Here
we
are
now
at
the
beginning
of
May,
thanks
very
much
to
staff
for
all
the
changes
and
receiving
the
public
comments
on
construction
will
start
in
July
and
hopefully
finish
by
November
and
in
the
city
will
reap
the
rewards
of
this
next
year
when
the
pathway,
it's
all
good
for
spring,
and
all
the
cyclists
are
out
on
a
beautiful
day
and
everyone
can
walk.
W
B
And
that
carries
by
vote
of
11
to
1
okay
clause.
2
is
extending
maximum
length
of
stay
and
occupancy
for
the
town,
enhancing
parking
structures
cause
3
contractor
permit
parking
residential
areas
cause
four
on
Street
residential
parking
program,
implementation
for
Inner,
Harbor
and
Williamsville.
You
will
call
the
vote.
B
Okay,
there's
just
the
or
the
story.
There
are
two
two
items:
number
one
appointment
of
the
municipal
accessibility,
Advisory
Committee
members
to
the
built
environment,
working
group
and
number
two
appointment
of
municipal
accessibility,
Advisory
Committee
members
to
the
awareness
and
education
working
group.
So
we
will
call
the
vote.
B
And
that
carries
nothing
from
Committee
of
the
whole.
We
have
no
information
reports,
no
information
reports,
members
of
council.
We
do
have
one
motion
under
miscellaneous
business
that,
as
requested
by
the
brain
tumor
foundation
of
Canada
Council,
proclaim
May
2017
as
brain
tumor,
Awareness
Month
in
the
City
of
Kingston,
moved
by
councillor
Neill
seconded
by
councillor,
shell.
B
A
B
N
B
You
very
much
mr.
deputy
mayor,
so
currently
we
have
the
youngest
council
ever
to
lead
the
city
of
Kingston,
and
that
has
brought
forward
an
interesting
discussion
and
this
interesting
challenge,
and
that
is
that
there
are
a
number
people
around
this
table
that
are
balancing
whether
it's
young
families,
full-time
jobs,
other
other
factors
that
make
the
workload
an
issue,
and
this
is
as
I
said
when
I
was
on
council,
it's
one
whopper
of
a
part-time
job.
It
is
there's
an
enormous
amount
of
work.
B
That's
involved
and
I
think
that
it's
good
to
have
a
discussion
about.
Are
there
ways
that
we
can
operate
more
efficiently
as
council,
and
so
those
those
options
can
be
across
an
entire
spectrum
and
I?
Think
I
want
to
emphasize
that
this
motion
is
very
much
geared
to
allowing
for
that
full
discussion,
everything
from
recommendations
on
fewer
committees
to
try
to
reduce
workload,
to
administrative
support,
to
try
to
manage
workload
to
even
moving
to
perhaps
full-time
counselors,
and
perhaps
a
fewer
number
of
them.
B
So
it
could
be
any
or
all
those
things
and
short
term
recommendations,
long
term
recommendations,
I
think
that
the
key
is
that
shouldn't
be.
Our
decision
here
is
Council
that
that
really
is
best
left
to
a
citizens
committee
that
is
already
going
to
be
struck
in
the
coming
months
to
examine
council
remuneration.
So,
while
the
citizens
committee
is
already
looking
at
that
issue,
why
not
give
them
the
mandate
to
look
at
some
of
these
other
issues
as
well?
We're
basically
just
going
to
throw
the
question
to
them
and
see
what
comes
reported
reports
back
I.
B
Think
that
there's
balance
I
think.
On
the
one
hand,
it
should
be
what
works
best
for,
but
also
what
works
best
for
the
community.
So
let
the
Citizens
Committee
have
that
discussion
and
then
we'll
see
what
they
come
back
with.
So
the
only
thing
that
I
would
say
at
this
point
is
I
would
try
to
encourage
council
at
this
point
not
to
get
into
the
weeds
or
the
details
on
this.
There
are
many
other
many
potential
options
and
ideas,
but
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
explore
all
these
right
now.
B
That's
why
the
last
action
clause
does
specifically
mention
the
possibility
of
moving
to
from
part-time
to
full-time
mayor
and
councillors,
but
also
other
options
to
ease
workloads.
So
it's
basically
meant
to
keep
the
door
wide,
open
and
I'm
sure
that
the
citizens
committee
will
be
open
to
any
ideas
and
thoughts
that
we
can
have
a
look
at
at
that
point.
So,
at
this
point
on
having
spoken
to
many
of
you
individually
over
the
last
two
years,
I'm
convinced
that
there
is
a
strong
appetite
around
this
table
to
at
least
have
this
discussion.
B
So
that's
why
I
decided
to
bring
this
motion
forward.
So
I
am
asking
council
to
to
approve
this
motion
to
pass
it
so
that
we
can
have
that
discussion
and
we'll
see
where
it
goes
and
I
will
say
off
the
bat
that
I
am
I'm
open
to
anything
I.
Don't
necessarily
think
that
there's
necessarily
one
option
that
is
better
than
another
I
think
it's
good
to
have
that
full
analysis
and
discussion
and
then
we'll
we'll
take
from
there.
So
with
that
Thank
You
deputy
near
okay,.
Y
Okay,
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
so
I
guess
really
what
I
wanted
to
emphasize
in
in
motivating
this
motion
is
again
not
as
his
worship
has
identified,
that
we
as
a
council
can
come
up
with
some
perfect
option.
We
know
our
particular
realities
at
this
moment
in
time.
We
are
experts
about
our
lives
for
sure.
I.
Y
They
and
lots
of
public
sector
organizations
have
equity
policies
and
diversity
policies,
and
what
we
have
at
our
disposal
at
the
moment
is
trying
to
find
a
way
to
navigate
a
demanding
political
career
with
all
the
other
aspects
of
our
lives
that
we
need
to
fulfill
and
those
lives
and
circumstances
are,
can
be
very
different.
So,
for
example,
I
have
had
as
many
of
you
know.
Y
Well,
maybe
you
don't
know,
but
all
them,
but
I've
had
five
jobs
in
the
past
three
years
since
I've
been
on
council
and
the
reason
for
that
is
perhaps
I
have
a
job
retention
issue,
but
also
it's
been
difficult
to
try
to
find
the
appropriate
combination,
an
entry-level
job
where
you
can
save
the
employer
by
the
way
I
need
every
second
Tuesday
evening.
I
need
at
least
every
second
Thursday
evening,
every
fourth
Wednesday,
every
Monday
blah
blah
blah.
B
Y
So
anyway,
my
point
on
this
is
just
to
say
that
for
people
who
have
who
are
starting
out
in
their
career,
therefore
fairly
young,
there
are
fewer
options
in
terms
of
careers
to
combine
with
a
municipal
councillor
position
so
while
I
feel
very
privileged
and
that
I
have
had
all
these
various
opportunities.
It
has
opened
my
eyes
to
the
fact
that
there
are
some
jobs.
There
are
some
people
who
you
know,
for
example,
work,
retail
or
work
in
the
hospitality
industry.
Y
J
Thank
you
very
much.
I
did
have
an
opportunity
to
talked
about
the
mover
in
the
seconder
today
about
this
and
I
understand
from
that
conversation
that
the
intention
of
this
was
to
look
at
all
options.
And
yet,
when
I
read
it
the
second,
where,
as
Klaus
says,
including
a
review
of
options
for
full
time
positions
and
the
final,
the
final
resolve
clause
include
the
review
of
the
options
from
part-time
to
full-time.
J
So,
if
I
were
on
a
steering
committee
and
I
read
that
motion,
my
assumption
would
be
that
I
was
being
asked
to
find
a
way
to
make
city
council
full
time.
Job
and
I
understand
from
discussion
with
the
mayor
and
with
the
seconder
of
the
motion,
councillor
Holland,
that
that
wasn't
the
intent
and
so
I
put
some
some
amendments,
including
and
I'll,
explain
why
I've
amended
one
of
or
two
of
the,
whereas
clauses
why
they
logically
need
to
have
a
little
tweak
done
to
them
as
well.
So,
if
is
that
the?
J
And
my
final
amendment
is
the
same
thing
as
trying
to
not
lean
towards
one
option,
therefore,
be
it
resolved.
The
mandate
of
the
committee
to
review
council
remuneration
include
all
options
from
part-time
to
full-time
for
mayor
and
district
councillors
in
the
City
of
Kingston,
together
with
other
options
to
ease
workload.
J
So
the
only
thing
that
I'm
adding
there
is
recognition
that
part-time
should
still
be
a
consideration
that
we
shouldn't
be
directing
the
the
committee,
the
Citizens
Committee,
towards
one
of
the
two
options,
which
is
what
it
appears
to
be
when
I
first
read
it
and
when
other
people
first
I
asked
to
read
it
cold,
suggested
that
well,
it
sure
seems
to
be
leaning
to
full
time
and
I.
Think
I.
Think
we
need
to
definitely
consider
that
by
writer.
Consider
other
things
have
a
point
of
order.
Go
home.
Y
J
N
Thanks
guys,
yes,
it's
fine.
We
keep
around
the
ball
here.
Councillor
Neill
would
like
to
amend
the
motion
with
this
wording
and
he
needs
a
seconder
for
us
to
proceed
so
I'm
looking
for
someone
to
raise
their
hand
to
second
this,
so
that
we
can
proceed
okay,
so
seconded
by
Councillor,
McLaren,
and
so
on.
The
amendment
only
Kelter
Neil,
you
have
90
seconds
remaining.
J
N
So
this
is
on
the
amendment
only
as
you
see
there
just
point
out.
Procedurally,
as
you
all
know,
whereas
clauses
do
not
provide
direction
to
staff,
so
the
exact
wording
of
the
various
classes
didn't
either
way,
don't
make
any
difference
to
the
direction
we
give
staff.
The
change
would
be
in
the
wording
of
the
therefore
be
resolved.
Clause
and
you'll
have
to
compare
that
wording
to
the
original
wording
to
define
the
differences,
because
it's
not
spelled
out
so
to
the
amendment.
Only
who
would
like
to
speak.
B
Thank
you,
I,
don't
I,
guess
this
is
sort
of
an
eye
the
beholder.
What
you
would
think,
I
think
that
when
we
I
was
crafting
this,
it
was
what
the
understanding
everyone
knows
that
right
now,
all
these
positions
are
part-time,
so
I
think
that's
why
it
says
an
option
to
move
to
full-time.
If
there's
a
desire
among
counsel,
to
make
that
explicit,
I
think
that
that's
fine
and
the,
whereas
clauses
I,
don't
really
see
much
of
a
difference
in
the
final
action
clause.
B
N
F
N
F
N
N
It's
what
a
pointer
that
its
councillor
Neill,
that
find
the
current
deputy
mayor
just
go
and
point
that
out
yeah
small
detail
again
our
wordsmithing
detail
and
that
passes
seven
to
five.
So
we're
back
to
the
amend
the
motion
as
amended.
So
the
final
clause
is
now
reads
what
the
amendment
read
so
as
amended.
You
see
it
there.
So
that's
the
amended
very
good
work
staff
as
the
amended
version.
J
You
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
I
did
have
an
opportunity
to
make
some
calls
today,
and
there
are
other
committees,
others,
municipalities,
that
are
going
through
a
similar
kind
of
task
force
review,
but
I
would
want
to
point
out
London
as
an
example.
They
have
a
Council
of
15,
yes
they're
larger
than
us,
but
they
have
a
Council
of
15
with
14
wards
and
what
their
base
salary
is
more
more
than
ours,
not
a
great
deal
more,
but
they
also
get
paid
for
external
committees
and
boards.
J
So,
but
but
the
interesting
thing
is
they
have
four
support
staff.
They
have
four
administrative
assistants,
so
each
assistant
is
responsible
to
work
with
three
councillors.
They
have
one
executive
assistant
who
works
with
two
councillors
and
supervises
the
others.
So
so
they
have
dedicated
staff,
they
have
offices,
they
have
a
switchboard.
J
I
I
Thank
you.
I
did
speak
just
off
the
cuff
to
the
previous
citizen
committee
chair
many
years
ago.
Actually,
when
we
were
just
chatting
and
I
think
before
the
election,
and
he
said
you
know,
I
wish
we'd
have
been
able
to
really
talk
about
what
councillors
do,
because
their
basic
discussion
had
been
around
the
fact
that
what
councillors
are
required
to
do
is
come
to
Council
twice
a
month
and
vote.
That's
basically
our
job
on
paper
and
what
were
paid
for
and
the
other
committees
that
we
go
to
are
all
voluntary.
I
So
he
really
thought
that
they
weren't
doing
a
full,
a
full
job
of
looking
at
what
councillors
are
actually
asked
to
do.
What
count
as
opposed
to
what
councillors
are
required
to
do
and
how
we
work
that
out,
because
we
have
to
populate
committees,
but
we
could
all
say
no
or
it's
part
of
our
job.
As
you
know,
dutiful
citizens
doing
a
public
service
commitment
to
our
city,
so
I
had
I,
just
heard
it
and
took
it
in
and
then
when
I
saw
what
a
great
council
we
got
this
time
around
was
voted
in
it.
I
I
If
you
go
to
a
part-time
job,
what
does
that
mean
for
your
ability
to
work
and
be
a
counselor
or
treat?
It
is
basically
a
full-time
job.
I
know
in
an
outside
County
on
a
committee
I'm
on
one
of
the
counselors
said
on
you
guys
are
so
lucky
to
have
such
a
broad
range
of
people
on
your
council.
Most
of
us
are
all
retired
guys
because
that's
who
can
run
in
many
areas
realistically
people
who
already
have
a
good
pension,
so
I'm
very
pleased
at
this
motion
and
I.
I
Q
W
Thanks
for
that
answer
and
overall
for
the
motion,
I
have
to
go
against
the
grain.
I.
Don't
like
this
motion,
because
I
don't
agree
with
having
foe
time
councilors
only
three
Ontario
cities
right
now
have
full-time
counselors,
Toronto,
Ottawa
and
Hamilton,
and
there's
a
three
largest
in
the
province.
Yes,
we
know
that
Bund
n'
is
going
through
a
debate
right
now,
but
there
are
three
times
the
size
of
Kingston
we're
too
small
of
the
city
to
consider
full-time.
It's
not
our
time
yet.
W
I
firmly
believe
that
and
I
don't
want
the
citizens
committee
to
be
bogged
down
on
the
debate
of
fo
time
versus
part-time
item.
I.
Don't
think
that's
a
good
use
of
their
time
and
it
might
take
longer
than
the
next
election
to
have
a
debate
on
that.
I
think
that
we
just
got
unnecessarily
scared
of
the
resignation
of
councillor
Allen
right,
like
when's
the
last
time
that
someone
has
resigned
from
Council
I.
W
Think
we
heard
during
all
of
that
it
was
back
to
1992,
or
so
you
know,
825
like
many
years
ago
and
I've
been
on.
Council
is
like
my
third
on
third
term,
and
this
is
the
first
time
that
it's
arisen,
so
it
could.
It
could
arise
again
at
any
time,
and
it's
just
because
this
is
just
you
know
like.
If
we
go
folk
time,
it's
only
for
four
years:
that's
the
only
employment
you're
going
to
have
that's
guaranteed
is
for
four
years,
and
so
it
could
happen
to
any
of
us.
W
If
a
really
good
job
comes
along,
you
know
for
our
career
and
any
of
us
could
resign.
It
doesn't
have
to
do
with
being
part-time
or
full-time.
It's
just
the
way
that
life
is
as
far
as
they
versity
goes.
I
think
having
a
full-time
counselor
will
actually
be
the
opposite,
because
you're
going
to
be
trying
to
get
someone
who
has
a
career
going,
you
know
that
might
have
a
good
pension
to
sacrifice
their
pension
and
become
you
know
a
counselor,
a
full-time
counselor
with
only
a
four
year
guarantee
of
an
income.
W
Where
are
they
going
to
do
in
the
next
election
if
they
don't
get
voted
in
so
I?
Think
then,
that
way,
the
diversity
is
going
to
be
down
to
someone
who
is
retired
or
someone
who
in
attendant
ly
wealthy,
who
can
risk
that
full-time
job
they
had
to
run
for
office,
and
then
you
know
just
do
its
do
this
for
four
years
and
see
what
happens
in
the
next
election
I.
W
Think
too,
that
you're
going
to
probably
have
less
counselors,
which
mean
because
they're
going
to
be
wanting
a
full-time
salary
and
there's
only
so
much
money
in
our
budget,
and
that
means
that
less
access
to
counselors
right
now,
there's
12
of
us
plus
the
mayor
that
people
can
run
to
with
less
counselors
less
access,
I
could
go
on
and
on
I
don't
want
to
waste
any
time.
I
think
everyone
gets
the
point
that
I
am
really
against
this
and
for
that
reason
I'll
be
voting
against
it.
Thank
you.
W
G
G
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
different
things
that
we
all
go
through
as
counselors
that
maybe
not
everybody
understands
or
appreciates
till
you're
sitting
in
one
of
these
chairs
the
challenges
I
know
when
I
decided
I
was
going
to
run
for
Council
I
received
I
ended
up
speaking
to
an
individual
in
the
community
to
get
advice.
The
late
Joe
Hawkins,
and
he
asked
me
about
15
questions
in
a
row.
He
just
hammered
me
with
questions
and
in
hindsight
there
were
really
quite
brilliant
questions.
What
do
you
do
for
a
living?
G
What
is
your
supposed
to?
Does
you
suppose
support
you?
Does
she
understand?
You
know
all
these
different
things
that
you're
going
to
have
to
go
through
when
you
get
on
council,
because
the
things
I
think
these
people
are
going
to
be
considering
are
not
just
what
do
we
get
paid
and
who
do
we
represent?
It
is
how
do
you
manage
your
family
life?
How
do
you
end
up
in
this
chair
and
manage
complex
so
that
a
counselor
may
not
be
declaring
conflicts
all
the
time
or
put
them
in
a
position?
G
So
they're
going
to
be
weighing
a
lot
of
things
that
we
can
go
on
and
on
about
for
a
really
long
time,
which
the
mayor's
advice
is
not
to
do
but
I
feel
like
I
feel
like.
We
should
keep
in
mind
that
if
we
do
explore
this,
it
could
come
back
exactly
the
way.
It
is
right
now
and
with
a
few
changes.
So
it's
no.
It's
now
pushing
us
in
one
direction.
G
L
L
A
L
Apparently
thought
maybe
I
should
run
right,
so
they
need
to
tell
a
whole
lot
better
than
it
actually
is,
and
it's
very
frankly
dying
because
we
know
how
much
of
the
extra
stuff
that
he
has
to
do.
So
if
that
was
all
it
was
about
I
think
this
wouldn't
be
in
front
of
him
right
so
and-
and
it's
not
even
as
councillor
Shelton
all
about
meeting
this
case.
It's
about
all
the
stuff
you
do
in
between
meetings
and
and
so
on.
L
I
do
have
to
say
one
thing,
though
I'm
not
at
all
sure
that
the
workload
has
increased
I.
Actually,
my
own
feeling
is
it's
about
the
same,
or
maybe
less
mostly
in
my
view,
because
we
did
so
much
through
the
official
plan
before
we
have
so
many
master
plans
in
place.
Staff
are
initiating
a
lot
of
stuff,
which
was
much
much
more
professionally,
rather
ad
hoc
arisen
before
and
so
I
think
it's
a
City
we're
much
better
organized.
We
can
thank
staff
for
that.
L
I
think
largely
I
mean
some
good
decisions
are
made
by
various
councils
along
the
way,
but
that
doesn't
help
the
situation
that
councillor
Holland
was
talking
about
or
those
with
children,
especially
a
single
parent
and
I'm.
Very
but
I
am
very
and
I'm
very
sympathetic
to
that.
I
am
cautious,
though,
about
whether
we're
ready
for
full-time
counselors
and
what
that
would
mean
I
do
think.
The
idea
of
research
assistants
is
a
good
idea,
but
that
means
more
money.
Are
you
willing
to
vote
for
that?
L
N
N
R
N
Getting
a
Citizens
Committee
together
to
look
at
remuneration
workload.
So
what
really?
What
needs
to
be
in
this
motion
is
direction
that
we
don't
want
to
be
left
out
in
that
in
that
analysis,
so
we've
got
a
pretty
good
motion
here
that
started
with
and
to
me
the
best
part
of
it
is
the
very
last
seven
words,
together
with
other
options
to
ease
workload.
So
I
just
can
ask
the
Kirk
because
he's
the
one
that's
going
to
be
writing
the
next
step.
Is
that
wording?
N
Does
that,
in
your
mind,
include
things
that
have
been
mentioned,
such
as
the
option
to
perhaps
hire
an
assistant
the
option,
perhaps
to
for
other
kinds
of
support
for
individual
counselors
such
as,
for
example,
the
mayor
has
the
mayor's
office
has?
Does
it
include
options
to
reduce
workload
from
the
other
side
from
the
committee
side?
Does
it
does
it
involve?
All
of
those?
Is
the
Citizens
Committee
going
to
have
all
of
these
things
spelled
out
for
them
because
they're
not
here
tonight
and
they
may
not
be
listen.
Q
N
Okay,
that's
that's
great.
It's
very
comforting
to
hear
I
had
sent
you
an
amendment
earlier.
They
have
around
the
idea
of
assistance,
but
I'm
not
going
to
submit
that
amendment.
However,
I
did
write
a
much,
simpler
version
here,
which
is
just
the
bottom
part
of
this
sheet
and
I'm
going
to
submit
this
administer
in
measurement.
Instead,
let's
read
it
and
I'll
give
it
to
you.
N
So
I'm
looking
for
a
seconder,
okay,
it's
but
you've
got
the
chair.
So
okay,
so
I
guess
I,
don't
need
to
I.
Think
we've
already
stated
what
the
rationale
is
so
on
the
amendment.
It's
just
I
want
the
option
to
hire
an
assistant,
spelled
out
and
I'm
thinking
of
something
online
city.
Councilor
Neil
I
mentioned
we're
a
shared
existed,
not
a
whole
system
per
councillor,
but
I'm
a
pool
perhaps
of
three
or
four
assistants
or
part-time
assistant.
That's
compensated,
a
very
small
annual
amount.
N
Of
course,
that
amount
will
be
specified
by
the
citizens
committee
so
whatever
they
feel
comfortable
as
an
extra
expense
keeping
in
mind,
we
already
have
an
expense
account
of
sorts
for
the
for
the
travel
for
for
going
to
conferences
for
legal
expenses,
and
all
these
other
things
for
parking
passes.
Transit
passes
there
are.
There
is
a
list
of
expenses
that
gets
reported
every
year
so
that
the
thinking
on
the
amendment
is
not
out
of
keeping
with
what
we're
already
have
as
councillor
expenses.
N
B
Thank
You
mr.
former
deputy
mayor
I'm,
going
to
ask
council
to
vote
against
this
I
understand
where
the
deputy
mayor
is
coming
from,
but
this
is
what
I
cautioned
at
the
beginning.
That
I
think
it's
unwise
at
this
point
for
us
to
spell
out
any
specific
options.
The
only
reason
why
this
motion
mentions
the
potential
to
move
from
part-time
to
full-time
is
because
that
is
a
very
political
decision
that
needs
to
be
spelled
it
in
black
and
white
for
the
committee.
B
That's
going
to
be
looking
at
this
I
think
any
other
option,
besides,
that
is
starting
council,
is
starting
to
steer
one
way
or
the
other.
So
I
think
that
given
there's
the
very
general
language
that
there
are
other
options
to
ease
workload,
I
think
that
the
committee
will
be
very
well
positioned
to
be
able
to
make
any
recommendations
about
what
other
options
might
look
out
and
what
the
cost
of
those
options
would
be.
B
E
You,
mr.
deputy
deputy
mayor
I'll,
let
Cole
the
mayor's
comments.
I
think
we're
it's
a
good
point.
The
councillor
is
made,
but
this
isn't
the
time
or
place
once
the
committee
comes
back
with
their
recommendation,
then
that's
the
opportunity
to
bring
these
types
of
options
forward
as
anybody
on
council
to
and
there'll
be
some
time
to
consider
it
so
I
agree
totally.
That's
exactly
what
I
was
going
to
say,
but
you
didn't
see
my
hand
well,
and
it
was
much
quicker
than
his
anyways,
so
I'm
not
going
to
support
this.
N
Just
to
be
told,
this
is
all
adding
another
another
sentence
at
the
end,
so
it's
spelling
out
the
words
with
other
options
to
increase
its
work
with
other
options,
to
ease
workload
comma,
including
the
option
for
counselors
to
hire
an
assistant,
subject
to
a
limited
annual
amount
or
compensation
to
be
specified
by
the
citizens
committee
and
I'm
happy
to
let
it
live
or
die
at
your
discretion,
because
it's
pretty
simple
what
I'm
asking
for
here.
Thank
you.
N
Q
N
B
Thank
you
for
the
great
discussion
and
comments
around
the
table.
I
will
say
a
couple
of
things.
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
speak
in
support
of
what
some
of
what
councillor
o
sanic
said:
I'm,
not
at
all
convinced
that
moving
to
full-time
counselors
is
the
way
to
go.
I
think
that
the
we
all
agree
that
the
goal
is
to
ensure
that
we
attract
the
best
possible
people
to
future
councils.
The
way
to
get
there
is
not
at
all
clear.
There
is
no
silver
bullet.
B
There
are
pros
and
cons
to
all
different
options,
but
I
think
it's
good
to
have
that
discussion
and
we
will
make
a
decision
one
way
or
the
other
just
to
manage
expectations,
though
I
think
that
if
there
was
to
be
a
recommendation
to
move
to
full-time
counselors,
it
would
probably
require
a
word
review,
maybe
reducing
the
number
of
districts
which
is
not
going
to
happen
in
time
for
the
next
election.
So
this
would
be
a
process
that
I
think
would
need
to
take
some
time.
So
we'll
have
the
discussion.
B
If
that's
the
direction,
the
Citizens
Committee
recommends
that's
going
to
take
some
time
and
a
lot
of
further
community
debate
and
discussion
so
could
very
well
be
that
there's
some
short-term
interim
options
as
well
that
can
be
explored.
So
with
that
appreciate
the
comments
and
or
to
seeing
what
our
Citizens
Committee
comes
up
with.
Thank
you.
B
You
very
much
okay.
Moving
on
to
a
new
motion
number
two
move
by
cancer
Boehm
seconded
by
Mayor
Patterson,
whereas
those
retiring
from
the
Canadian
Armed
Forces,
with
at
least
25
years
of
service,
are
presented
with
a
Canadian
flag
during
their
retirement
ceremony
and
whereas
retiring
members
have
the
option
to
have
that
Canadian
flag
to
be
presented
at
the
ceremony
flown
at
the
location
of
their
choice.
B
Whereas
the
existing
City
of
Kingston
flag
display
in
flying
policy
does
not
include
wording
that
would
guide
the
flying,
Canadian
flags
at
City,
Hall
for
Canadian
Armed,
Forces
retirement
ceremonies,
whereas
retiring
Canadian,
Armed
Forces
members
who
call
Kingston
their
home
have
recently
requested
their
retirement
flag
be
flown
at
City.
Hall,
therefore
be
resolved
that,
notwithstanding
the
flagpole
display
in
flying
policy,
Kingston
City
Council
approved
the
raising
of
the
flag
from
major
Steve
chart
check
on
May
3rd
2017
in
recognition
of
this
retirement
ceremony.
Councillor
Bowman
thank.
F
As
in
staff
now
has
the
flag,
it
will
be
going
up
tomorrow,
so
I
hope
everybody
can
support
this.
It's
probably
going
to
be
one
of
the
final
ones
before
that
new
policy
hopefully
comes
through,
and
then
the
commemoration
of
this
will
go
through
the
actual
flag
policy
in
the
future.
So
I
hope
everybody
could
support
it.
Thank
you.
L
Think
concerns
about
the
original
motion.
That's
supposed
to
go
to
a
min,
Paul
and
I,
don't
know
what's
coming
forward
there
and
I've
concerns
about
this
one.
My
concern
is,
of
course
we
appreciate
the
work
in
efforts
of
our
armed
forces,
but
we
appreciate
a
lot
of
other
citizens.
So
my
first
question
is
of
the
clerk
I
believe:
do
we
fly
the
Canadian
flag
now
I
would
think
we
do
but
I'm
just
wondering
what's
going
on
here.
Mr.
L
Didn't
I
was
being
schooled
in
yes,
okay,
so
we've
got
the
Canadian
flag
up
there
now
and
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
I
thought
we
did,
but
I
want
to
be
sure.
So
the
the
other
issue
is
that
we
have
a
lot
of
individuals
in
our
in
our
community
that
we
can
and
not
sometimes
do
recognize.
We
never
can
recognize
everybody,
but
I'm,
not
quite
sure
what
privileges
people
of
the
Armed
Forces.
L
We
could
have
a
firefighter
okay,
you
know
as
well
whose
risk
is
like
for
the
public
or
a
police
officer
or
a
municipal
employee
of
35
years.
It
did
sterling
work
or
the
Chief
of
Surgery
or
a
teacher
of
30
years
experience
or
I
could
go
on
a
long
time
with
lots
of
people,
so
I'm
not
sure
how
we're
going
to
accommodate
all
these
people.
L
If
you
don't
have
a
reason
why
you're
going
to
privilege
people
of
the
Armed
Forces
which,
as
I
say,
are
worthy
of
recognition
and
but
I
think
we
should
be
recognizing
groups,
okay,
which
we
do
do
all
the
time
right.
We
have
days
for
them
weeks
with
a
month
for
them
and
that's
good
and
we
five
flags
for
certain
causes
and
so
on,
but
that
grew
volved
groups
of
people
so
we're
covering
a
fair
bit
of
ground
when
we
do
this
I've,
never
known
as
or
to
five
flags
for
individuals
unless
they
were
very
high.
L
Perhaps
we've
gone
for
very
high
profile
people,
so
nothing
against
the
two
gentlemen
that
came
before
or
this
gentleman
I
don't
know
them
and
they
may
have
sterling
records,
but
so
do
a
lot
of
other
people
and
I'm
not
sure
we
should
be
getting
into
that
consideration.
So
those
are
my
questions
of
the
mover
in
the
second
year
want
to
respond.
I'm,
fine,
yeah,
I'm
willing
to
be
educated.
B
F
I
can't
remember
the
exact
time
here,
but
it's
a
substantial
amount
of
time
is
presented
a
flag
upon
retirement
and
they
have
the
option
to
be
able
to
ask:
have
it
flown
somewhere,
so
will
be
flown
at
City
Hall
tomorrow,
then
it
will
be
taken
down
after
only
one
day
be
given
back
to
them
and
then
be
used
in
the
retirement
ceremony.
So
this
is
not
something
that
would
be.
You
know
normal
commonplace
every
day,
3,000
people,
you
know
constantly
it's
after
an
extended
career
in
the
military
and
then
they
have
that
option.
F
So
that
is
where
this
is
essentially
originating
from,
and
it
will
be
reviewed
going
with
the
former
motion
a
by
admin
policy,
so
that
this
is
something
where
you
know
it
is
an
extended
service
period
that
would
garner
somebody
this
type
of
commendation
from
the
city.
So
with
that
I
hope
that
answers
your
question.
It's
not
something
that
would
be
coming
day
after
day
after
day
for
many
multitudes
of
individuals.
B
B
B
Of
list
so
councilman
clarity,
I'm
just
going
to
stop
you
there,
because
other
business
is
not
a
place
to
steer
into
a
policy
direction.
I
think
you've
raised
a
point.
You
can
bring
forward
a
motion
asking
for
a
change
of
policy,
for
example,
and
in
terms
of
you
know
when
reports
are
brought
forward,
but
I
caution
against
getting
into
that
discussion
at
this
point.
So.
D
Having
talked
to
the
clerk
ahead
of
time,
this
wasn't
it
was
the
solution
was
presented,
but
it
was
meant
to
be
congratulatory.
This
is
an
the
solution
had
been
found,
but
just
from
my
own
edification,
if
I
had
wanted
to
raise
an
issue
that
concerns
me
and
is
to
the
benefit
of
all
where
it
would
be
the
best
place
during
the
council
agenda.
Let.
D
D
In
this
case,
if
I
may,
for
the
sake
of
the
edification
of
staff
and
all
when
there's
a
report
that
has
only
engineering
drawings
in
it,
perhaps
a
bit
more
rationale
might
be
necessary
or
when
it's
saying
that
we're
supposed
to
receive
statistics,
it
might
be
helpful
to
actually
get
those
statistics
in
the
council
documents
and
it's
more
also
for
the
sake
of
the
public.
I
mean
it's
easy
for
me
to
go,
get
them
so.
Okay,.
B
Counsel,
McLaren
I'm
not
I'm,
not
trying
to
make
it
an
issue
of
this,
but
this
is.
This
is
not
something
that
should
be
raised
under
other
business.
I
I'm,
not
saying
that
the
point
is
invalid,
but
it's
better
to
bring
forward
a
motion
with
direction.
You
can
have
five
minutes
to
speak
and
we
can
pass
a
motion
if
we
want
to
direct
staff
to
make
changes.
I'm
just
unconscious
about
other
business
being
used
to
raise
bigger
issues
about
the
way
that
we
operate
is
as
Council.
B
D
A
J
A
quick
question
I,
we
very
very
routinely
passed
the
same
night,
1st,
2nd
and
3rd
reading
and
I
know
in
the
past.
That
has
happened
when
it's
been
a
time-sensitive
issue,
but
we
seem
to
be
doing
it
more
and
more
routinely
now
than
in
the
past
and
perhaps
and
and
in
future
I.
Think
I
will
ask
how
time
sensitive
a
third
reading
required
on
the
same
night
actually
is
so.