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Kingston City Council meeting from February 16, 2022. This meeting is the continuation of the February 15, 2022 agenda. For agenda details visit https://bit.ly/3LDQQFr
A
B
C
D
Council's
aware
block
four
did
have
a
complete
review
done
back
in
2014.
There
were
guidelines
that
were
approved
at
that
time,
where
multiple
uses
were
being
recommended
for
this
site,
so
no
surprises
or
commercial
uses
that
were
recommended,
such
as
restaurant
use,
hotel,
which
we've
talked
about
in
the
past.
Also
residential
use,
was
one
of
the
recommendations
for
this
particular
block.
D
So
what
we
would
do
is
we
would
look
at
the
potential
of
incorporating
a
conference
center
space
within
that
development
and
then
looking
at
what
are
the
options
in
terms
of
operating
model
and
financial
models,
whether
they're
partnerships,
whether
they're
standalone
private
sector?
What
are
the
options
and
we
would
bring
that
information
back
to
council.
C
D
So
through
you,
mr
mayor,
the
project
would
need
to
go
through
an
official
plan
amendment
in
a
zoning
by-law
amendment,
regardless
of
council's
decision
tonight,
or
a
future
direction
to
issue
an
rfp,
for
example,
for
the
property.
The
property
would
still
need
to
go
through
an
independent
official
plan
and
zoning
amendment.
D
Thank
you
and
through
mr
mayor,
so
the
primarily
it
will
be
in
my
office
council
mclaren.
I
will
obviously
be
looking
for
some
support
from
some
of
my
colleagues
in
terms
of
staff
time.
I
think,
there's
been
a
lot
of
work
that
had
has
been
already
done
through
the
design
guidelines
approved
in
2014.
C
C
F
Thank
you,
mayor
patterson.
I
I
did
want
to
thank
them
for
that
report
last
night
and
I
am
prepared
to
to
support
the
the
recommendation
to
direct
staff
to
to
do
some
further
work.
I
certainly
have
had
24
hours
to
think
about
it
or
a
little
bit
less
and
did
receive
a
call
today
about
that,
and-
and
I'm
very
intrigued
by
it.
F
I
appreciate
the
report
and
certainly,
although
I
understand
the
caution
that
we
might
might,
we
might
feel
and
from
our
our
view
of
this
there's
certain
so
many
synergies
that
could
come
together
with
this
kind
of
development
that
I
I
I
think
that
we
would
fail
to
look
a
little
bit
closer
at
this
and
the
potential.
Therefore,
the
entire
city
of
kingston
could
benefit
from
this.
So
there's
lots
I
could
say,
but
I
to
keep
it
short.
F
A
G
Thank
you,
worship,
and
I
just
I
want
to
give
you
like
a
personal
example.
If
I
can
it's
when
I
was
before
council,
I
was
a
president
of
a
provincial
organization
and
although
we
couldn't
have
our
conference
here,
because
you
know
the
group
was
too
big,
I
was
able
to
bring
the
executive
here,
and
you
know
the
executive
was
so
intrigued
by
kings.
I
thought
what
a
perfect
place
it
would
be
to
have
that
you
know
to
have
our
our
large
group
conference,
but
the
facility
wasn't
there.
G
You
know,
and-
and
I
just
think
that
this
is.
I
understand
that
in
the
past
that
maybe
you
know
everything
was
kind
of
toronto
centric,
but
I
do
think
that
there's
options
now
for
people
to
really
look
at
outside
of
toronto,
and
it
certainly
sounds
like
the
like.
The
business
plan
is
there,
so
I
really
highly
endorse
this.
G
H
Thank
you,
your
worship,
I'm
I'm
willing
to
progress
to
the
next
step
as
well.
I
think
we
heard
some
good
points
last
night,
but
also
we
know
our
population
has
just
grown
seven
percent.
A
lot
of
people
have
moved
in
to
kingston
from
the
gta
everywhere,
as
businesses
start
to
do
hybrid
models
and
go
back
to
work.
You
know
for
some
days.
H
Maybe
then
there's
opportunities
for
those
off
days
where
we
don't
have
a
conference
that
those
breakout
rooms
could
be
rented
out
by
people
that
need
to
you
know,
touch
base
with
the
head
office.
You
know
in
a
business
setting
you
know
quiet
time,
not
at
home,
but
not
also
going
all
the
way
to
toronto
or
montreal.
You
know
renting
out
an
office,
so
we
heard
on
the
consultant
company
last
night
say
for
the
ottawa
congress
center
and
the
toronto
one.
H
I
Thank
you,
your
worship,
I
I
I
spoke
about
this
a
little
bit
yesterday
and
this
to
me
is
a
recycled
plan
that
has
come
forward
and
come
forward
and
come
forward
and
they're
just
keeping
to
chisel
away
at
this.
In
order
to
finally,
hopefully
get
support
from
council
to
have
a
large
expenditure
commit
the
city
to
another,
huge
expenditure
that
I
don't
think
is
in
the
best
interest
of
the
taxpayer
student
kingston.
I
I
would
be
interested
if
this
was
to
go
to
a
international
rfp,
a
car,
not
an
rfp
and
rfq
just
see
what
kind
of
proposals
would
come
out
in
private
partnerships
and
in
addition
to
that,
be
willing
to
entertain
the
notion
of
putting
the
leon
center
on
the
market
because
we
still
are
paying
for
it
and
still
paying
for
it,
and
it
doesn't
make
us
any
money,
we're
subsidizing
it
every
year.
So
if
we
are
to
be
an
attraction
center,
the
city
does
not
need
to
be
involved
with
that.
I
If
the
private
sector
was
there,
I
think
it
would
be
appropriate
and
I
don't
like
the
idea
of
swapping
this
land
of
value
of
evaluation
of
seven
to
twelve
million
dollars,
whatever
the
land
is
and
leveraging
that
to
the
college,
so
that
they
can
then
leverage
it
to
a
private
sector.
That
is
too
messy.
We
lose
control.
So
you
do
a
nice
clean
break.
Have
something
come
forward
that
does
a
world-renowned
destination
marketing
opportunity?
That's
fine,
but
not
this
piecemeal
stuff
with
upper
level
lower
level
partnerships,
because
those
are
over.
A
So
we're
going
to
step
in
I'm
going
to
be
stepping
to
be
fair,
because
I
cut
council
mclaren
off
so
so
counselor
chappelle.
That's
a
perfectly
good
discussion
to
happen
at
the
right
stage.
This
is
not
that
stage
so
to
be
consistent.
Since
I
asked
councilman
mclaren
not
to
get
into
discussion
about
what
models
you
would
or
will
not
support,
it's
only
fair
to
stop
you
there
as
well.
J
J
I
had
an
experience
where
I
was
on.
I
was
a
former
drama
teacher
and
I
was
on
code,
which
is
the
council
of
ontario
drama
and
dance.
I
had
nothing
to
do
with
the
dance
portion
and
I
was
tasked
as
the
vice
president
to
organize
their
annual
meeting,
and
I
was
living
in
kingston
teaching
in
in
brockville
at
the
time,
and
I
tried
to
organize
it
here
in
kingston
and
there
just
wasn't
enough
space
because
it
was
happening.
I
couldn't
use
queen's
facilities
and
the
ambassador.
J
J
They
happen
in
toronto
and
occasionally
in
niagara
and
people
love
coming
to
kingston,
and
so
so
we
lost
that
opportunity,
but
we
had
people
coming
from
northern
new
york
from
right
across
ontario,
but
a
lot
from
eastern
ontario
that
didn't
normally
go
to
that
to
that
conference
and
it
was
it
was
very
successful
and
I
think
it
would
have
even
been
more
successful
if
we'd
had
the
capacity
to
do
it
in
in
kingston
during
the
school
year.
And
so
so
I
I'm
going
to
support
this.
J
A
A
Thank
you,
I
I'll
be
very
brief
and
certainly
will
make
sure
that
I
abide
by
the
same
guidelines
that
I've
given
to
other
speakers
about
what
is
and
is
not
on
the
table
tonight.
I
think
his
other
counselors
have
said
very
eloquently.
This
is
about
whether
or
not
we
want
to
explore
options
for
a
common
center.
A
I
would
like
us
all
to
reflect
on
what
hundreds,
if
not
thousands,
of
workers
in
the
tourism
and
hospitality
sector
here
in
kingston
have
been
through
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
but
in
a
number
of
small
tourism-related.
Businesses
have
been
through
over
the
last
two
years,
and
this
is
being
brought
forward
by
tourism
kingston,
which
represents
our
tourism
industry
as
a
potential
way
to
bring
growth
and
bring
recovery
to
a
sector.
A
That's
been
incredibly
hard,
so
I
would
just
like
everyone
in
our
tourism
hospitality
sector
to
know
that
we
support
the
men
that
we
want
to
look
into
this
because
they
bought
it
to
us.
But
I
think
it
would
be
a
terrible
signal
to
just
turn
them
down,
in
spite
of
maybe
concerns
about
particular
models
which
may
or
may
not
be
what
we
pursue
anyways.
So
I
think,
as
a
statement
of
support,
I
think
this
is
the
right
move.
There's
lots
of
due
diligence.
A
K
K
Be
a
build
it
and
they
will
come
situation.
I'm
particularly
interested
in
how
folks
would
get
here
to
use
this
if
it
goes
forward,
so
recommendation
three
talks
about
the
options
of
the
feasibility:
will
that
include
a
piece
about
air
travel,
rail
travel
so
on
and
so
forth.
Because
again,
just
if
we
do
this
down
the
road,
hopefully
people
will
be
getting
here
then
more
than
just
by
the
road.
So
can
you
talk
a
bit
about
the
transportation
piece
and,
if
that's
included
in
the
feasibility.
D
M
Thank
you,
worship,
I'm
gonna
start
also
with
question.
It's
not
clear
to
me
from
the
report.
There's
there's
I
I'm
able
to
guess,
but
maybe,
if
you
just
have
it
stated
openly
by
staff,
the
is
this
connection
with
the
downtown
center
excellence,
st
lawrence
college.
Downtown
campus
thing
is
that,
like
a
new
piece
that
did
not
exist
in
2014
that
give
this
project
more
chance
of
of
success
because
of
synergies
with
that
concept
or
is:
was
that
concept
around
in
2014
as
well.
D
So
those
two
elements
are
new
that
weren't
there
at
the
time.
I
do
want
to
point
out
for
council
that
I
anticipate
that
the
potential
partnership
with
st
lawrence
college
will
change
based
on.
Obviously,
what
has
happened
over
the
last
two
years
during
the
pandemic.
Institutions
have
also
been
impacted
and
we're
currently
working
on
reviewing
what
that
might
look
like.
So
that's
additional
information
that
we
will
need
to
bring
back
to
council
as
well.
M
Okay,
okay,
thank
you
so
on
the
downtown
campus
concept
when
it
when
it
came
up
in
a
different
form.
A
couple
of
years
ago,
I
did
hear
from
my
constituents
a
little
bit
about
that
on
the
on
the
idea
of
a
medium-sized
conference
center.
I
haven't
heard
that
at
all
actually
from
any
constituents
that
that
there's
demand
for
it
that
that
there's
people
in
my
district
that
think
we
should
be
going
in
that
direction.
M
So
I'm
in
a
kind
of
a
weird
position
to
have
to
you
know
support
a
non-binding
further
exploration
of
this
concept.
It
just
doesn't
seem
to
be
coming
from
the
electorate
at
all
it.
It
seems
like
a
a
concept,
that's
being
pushed
by
a
a
group
of
interested
parties
and
there's
nothing
wrong
with
that.
I
just
I
have
to
represent
my
constituents
and
I
really
don't
see
any
any
political
purchase
for
this
idea
in
my
district.
So
I
know
that
there
was
some
negative
voices
on
the
downtown
campus
idea.
M
I
do
represent
a
downtown
district.
There
wasn't
enough
of
them
for
me
to
know
that
that
was
for
sure
the
majority
position
of
my
constituents,
but
I
did
hear
some
negative
feedback
about
that
idea
because
it
seemed
like
it
was.
The
city
was
making
a
deal
with
a
an
external
party
that
didn't
necessarily
have
the
interest
of
the
of
the
taxpayer
and
the
constituent
in
mind.
So
with
all
that
in
mind,
I
I
really
think
we
we
we
don't
want
to
bind
ourselves
to
any
future
expenditures.
M
We
don't
want
to
burden
the
taxpayer,
as
councilor
chappelle
has
said,
with
something
very
murky
and
unclear.
We
also
don't
want
to
give
the
perception
that
we're
we're
pushing
for
something
that
isn't
really
what
the
people
are
asking
for.
That's
something
that
you
know
private
interests
are
asking
for.
So
I
think
I
think
it's
a.
I
think
it's
a
no-go
for
me,
I'm
going
to
vote
against.
M
A
K
J
Yes,
I
I
think
it's
an
ex
exciting
continuation
of
a
really
good
project
and-
and
I
want
to
applaud
both
our
staff
and
and
the
tourism
kingston
people
who've
been
behind
this.
There
was
a
woman
who
came
yesterday
in
delegation
who,
I
think,
made
some
very,
very
good
comments
and
great
suggestions
and
has
a
considerable
experience
and
background
in
this,
and
I
hope
that
both
our
staff
and
tourism
kingston
can
reach
out
and
take
advantage
of
that
knowledge
and
background.
J
My
teaching
job
there
was
was
quite
engaging
because
there
were
all
kinds
of
of
people.
There
were
former
ceos
of
banks
that
that
were
tutors
in
my
program
and
and
so
so
it
it
really
is
a
cross
section
of
of
people
that
I'm
sure
in
retirement
would
be
quite
willing
to
be
guided,
so
be
engaged
in
that,
and
I
I
hope
we
take
advantage
of
that.
So
thank
you.
A
D
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
mayor,
so
councillor
neal,
you're,
absolutely
right
and
I
just
want
to
confirm
that
there
have
been
some
former
employees
of
the
kingston
penn
country
that
have
been
involved
in
the
past
in
the
the
tours
as
volunteers
and
definitely
we've
connected
today.
So
tourism
kingston,
the
city
and
st
lawrence
parks,
commission,
and
we
will
be
reaching
out
to
the
delegation
that
was
here
on
last
night
to
make
sure
that
we
do
incorporate
and
more
voices
from
the
community.
F
Yeah
thanks
mayor
patterson,
I
just
want
to
say
that
the
same
reasons
that
we
would
support-
something
like
this
when
we
talk
about
the
you
know-
public
and
tourism
and
and
business
and
filming
and
generating
profitable
activities,
is
the
same
reason
why
we
would
support
something
like
the
the
conference
center,
and
this
is
a
a
good
thing.
It
brings
people
to
the
city,
it
creates
culture
and
livelihood
and
a
positive
impact
on
our
city.
H
Thank
you,
your
worship.
I
just
wanted
to
talk
about
the
fun
aspect
for
a
second
so
like
to
me.
It's
just
so
much
fun
watching
one
of
those
movies
that
was
filmed
right
here
in
kingston
and
and
seeing
kingston
in
the
movie,
and
we
just
started
watching
mayor
kingstown
and
I
have
to
say
mayor
patterson.
I
am
so
happy
you're
our
mayor
for
kingston
and
kingston
is
not
the
situation
as
shown
on
mary
kingstown
right,
but
like
it's
just
so
incredible
to
see
all
the
shots
from
kp.
H
You
know
like
on
the
water
and
they
have
some
nighttime
shots
and
we've
actually
like
frozen
the
movie
to
say,
hey.
You
know
like
look
at
that.
That's
the!
Where
was
it
it's
the
rugby
field
right
in
front
of
grant
hall
and
there's
kgh
and
and
then
they
did
a
scene
on
the
wolf
island
fairy
dock
and
it's
just
like
so
much
fun
watching
the
movie
as
like.
H
You
feel
like
you're
a
part
of
it
and
that
it
just
makes
you
so
proud
to
be
living
in
kingston,
and
I
just
wish
like
the
tourism
office
like
for
film
production
is
fantastic,
and
I
hope
all
these
movies
continue
to
have
like
a
few
shots
filmed
in
kingston,
because
it
just
brings
great
pride
to
be
living
here
and
seeing
it
in
the
big
screen.
Thank
you.
M
Yeah
well
actually,
contrary
to
what
council
also
off
was
saying
about
this
being
sort
of
similar
to
the
conference
center.
I
I
don't
see
it
in
that
way
at
all.
I
beg
to
differ.
I
actually
do
hear
positive
comments
about
kingston
pen
tours
and
the
potential
on
that
site
for
tourism
quite
regularly
from
my
constituents,
and
I
I
think
it's
a
success
story
already.
I
think
I
I
think
the
question
here
isn't
really
whether
we
should
renew
the
lease
and
then
the
agreement.
I
think
the
question
is:
is
the
sky?
M
I
don't
think
personally
I
mean
this
isn't
on
the
table
today,
but
you
know
if
we,
if
we,
if
we
sold
the
asset
completely
to
a
private
developer
for
housing
or
something
like
that,
it
wouldn't
have
the
same
effect
as
developing
its
true
potential
for
film
and
for
tourism
as
we're
seeing
with
this
agreement.
I
think
I
think
this
isn't
the
end
of
of
where
we
can
go
with
this
and
and
I
think,
there's
actually
greater
potential
than
than
what's
already
been
tapped.
I
think
it's.
M
I
Thank
you,
worship.
I
mean
when
you
hear
the
enthusiasm,
counselor
sonic
speaking
about
this
outstanding
tourist
attraction.
It
is
one
of
the
items
that,
when
I
have
friends
and
family
that
come
and
visit
kingston,
they
want
to
go
to
the
museum.
So
I
accolades
to
the
comments
that
counselor
stroud
has
made.
I
I've
also
heard
very
very
many
number
of
feedback
conversations
from
both
staff
residents,
as
well
as
visitors,
saying
that
it
was
such
an
important
opportunity
for
them
to
attend,
and
I
I
very
much
support
whatever
with
the
film
industry
and
tourism
kingston's
opportunities
to
leverage
this
this
heritage
facility
that
we
have
in
kingston
so
I'll
be
supporting
this
fully
going
forward.
Thank
you.
E
A
A
I
Your
worship,
I
certainly
appreciate
the
opportunity
for
for
us
to
have
the
temporary
patio,
so
there's
been
a
great
opportunity
to
to
engage
with
the
businesses
downtown
help
them
through
the
trying
times,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
people
really
enjoyed
that
opportunity
last
year.
My
only
question
and
concern
is
that
this
is
restricted
to
the
bia
location
of
the
downtown
core,
and
we
have
many
restaurants
in
in
different
districts.
N
Thank
you
through
you
worship.
I
think
that
this
was
coming
about
as
from
some
very
specific
concerns
that
were
raised
in
the
dbi
area
and
how
we
could
support,
because
there
was
indication
that,
from
an
economic
perspective,
they
were
having
some
difficulties
down
in
down
in
that
area.
I
don't
think
that
necessarily
precludes
looking
beyond
that
border
and
future,
and
that's
something
that
we
can
certainly
take
a
look
at
and
I'll
and
director
sample
may
have
more
information
on
this.
I
Am
I
able
to
speak
your
worship,
but
just
just
to
comment
on
mr
joyce's
callings?
Is
it
possible
to
have
within
this
report
consideration
for
other
parts
of
the
city
as
well,
and
then
you
won't
have
to
bother
reconsidering
and
then
be
optional
for
the
same
process
to
go
through
a
patio
agreement
that
they
can
also
participate.
O
D
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
mayor,
so
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
in
the
last
couple
of
years
we
have
allowed
restaurants
to
expand
or
create
patios
and
parking
lots,
and
I
can
think
of
a
number
in
the
west
end,
for
example,
where
they
have
been
able
to
do
that.
So
we
have
been
working
quite
closely
with
businesses
in
other
areas,
where
they've
reached
out
to
us
to
try
to
create
additional
or
new
patio
space
that
didn't
exist
before.
O
M
M
M
A
vehicle
is
a
large.
It's
a
large
contraption
right
it.
It
says
in
here
it
has
the
dimensions
in
the
report
of
the
size,
that's
being
repurposed
in
in
the
space
that
you
can
park,
one
vehicle
you
can
have
two
or
three
patio
tables
right,
so
that's
that's,
maybe
a
dozen
a
dozen
customers
for
a
downtown
business
and
that-
and
they
will
turn
over
actually
faster
than
the
typical
vehicle
will
turn
over
in
a
parking
space.
M
So
you're
talking
about
a
ratio
of
maybe
up
to
20
to
1
20
people
using
the
using
a
space
in
a
certain
amount
of
time
versus
one
using
a
vehicle
because
often
there's
only
one
person
in
the
vehicle.
I.
I
really
think
that
that
that
concept
of
how
space
is
used,
especially
public
space,
really
underlines
why
car
storage
is
such
a
poor
use
of
space.
When
there's
when
it's
in
competition
with
other
uses,
if
it's
not
in
competition,
then
you
need
parking
like
at
at
a
mall
in
a
suburban
area.
M
You
know
you
could
argue
that
that
that's
a
good
use
of
space,
because
that
you
definitely
need
parking,
but
in
a
downtown
area
where
it
competes
with
patios,
it
competes
with
many.
You
know
activities
that
businesses
might
want.
They
might
want
their
displays.
You
know
out
in
that
space
as
well.
It
really
doesn't
compare
favorably
and-
and
that's
why?
I
think,
not
only
should
we
be
looking
at
this
temporary
thing
which
started
out
as
a
pandemic
response,
we
should
be
looking
at
repurposing
a
lot
of
our
public
space.
M
That
is
underutilized
right
now
as
car
storage
into
this
kind
of
thing,
not
just
not
just
for
a
temporary
measure,
but
you
know
in
the
long
run,
because
it
will
serve
more
constituents,
it
will
serve
more
people
and
it
will
bring
a
thriving
nature
to
the
city
that
is
great
for
tourism
and
everything
else.
Thank
you.
J
J
That
could
benefit
from
that.
Some
of
the
parking
benefits
that
we
discovered
through
colvin
can
also
be
applied
to
other
areas
as
well,
and
I'm
thinking
of
portsmouth
and
I'm
sure
councilor
chappelle
knows
of
many
in
in
the
west
end
that
we
should
have
under
consideration
as
well.
So
I
appreciate
this
initiative
and
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
it's
encompassing
all
of
all
of
kingston,
where
the
request
for
a
patio
can
be
made.
So
thank
you
very
much.
A
J
A
G
A
G
Well,
so
the
purpose
of
this
is
basically
to
to
try
to
alleviate
some
of
the
misconceptions
that
I
think
I've
heard
both
in
writing
and
in
discussing
this
with
people.
I,
I
think
they're
they're,
making
some
assumptions
here
that
aren't
really
accurate
and
I
think
what
that
requires
is
an
opportunity
for
staff
to
be
able
to
go
back.
Have
some
discussions
with
landlord
associations.
G
G
I
would
also
suggest
that
maybe
one
of
the
things
staff
could
do
is
to
create
a
resource
document
that
landlords
could
use
to
give
out
to
their
tenants
so
that
they
understand
exactly
what
this
bylaw
is
intended
to
do.
So
it's
really
just
about
giving
more
time
for
consultation
and
an
opportunity
for
if
staff
decides
to
develop
a
resource
document
that
could
go
with
this.
A
G
A
M
M
I
I
do
want
to
support
the
deferral,
but
there's
another
strong
reason,
and
that
would
be
because
you
all
know
that
queen's
university
announced
yesterday
a
parallel
process,
a
task
force
to
look
at
large
gatherings.
So
I'm
wondering
if
I
could
amend
the
motion
to
defer
to
include
the
language
to
that
effect,
so
that
so
that
it
would
the
deferral
and
then
I
guess
I
need
to
ask
a
question
to
staff
whether
whether
we
have
any
timelines
on
that.
A
So
if,
if
you
wanted
to
propose
a
different
motion
to
further
the
different
rationale,
you
actually
have
to
vote
this
one
down
and
then
forward
a
new
one.
But
perhaps-
and
this
is
just
guidance
from
myself
as
chair
council
strat-
I
think
if,
if
the,
if
the
motion
defer
is
going
to
pass
anyways,
then
I
think
just
a
your
verbal
comments.
Basically
supporting
that,
I
think
would
be,
will
certainly
have
that.
I'm
just
again,
that's
just
the
procedure
of
bylaw
that
we've
closed.
M
D
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
mayor,
so
I
I
don't
know
the
exact
timing
of
the
details
in
terms
of
the
task
force.
I
know
it
was
announced.
Obviously
yesterday
I
I
am
aware
that
they've
reached
out
to
the
city
to
have
representation
and
they're
looking
at
some
pretty
tight
deadlines
as
far
as
bringing
back
some
recommended
actions
with
the
task
force,
but
because
the
city
is
not
leading
the
task
force,
I
can't
comment
on
the
details
of
the
planning
aspect
of
it.
D
M
F
A
I
Thank
you,
your
worship.
My
question
is
regarding
place.
I
I
would
have
thought
that
this
could
be
deferred
to
the
policy
admin
meeting.
We
have
one
coming
up
next
month,
which
could
be
scheduled
nicely,
which
would
allow
public
consultation
and
and
have
deliberations
from
the
public
with
regards
to
this,
and
I
would
have
thought
that
would
be
a
more
appropriate
place
and
then,
perhaps
from
there
come
back
to
council
for
a
further
debate,
and
so
I
I'm
not
completely
sure
if
I
understand
the
purpose
or
intent
of
this
motion
but
I'll.
H
H
Okay,
great,
thank
you.
So
through
you,
a
question
to
staff:
does
that
does
counselorship
depose
suggestion
to
make
it
go
to
administrative
policies
committee?
Does
that
make
it
easier
for
staff
then
to
do
the
consultation,
because
everybody
would
be
in
one
room
and
it
could
be
one
question
at
a
time,
and
you
know
in
a
formal
setting:
does
that
make
it
easier.
A
A
Sorry
so
I'm
just
trying
to
think
of
the
best
way
to
to
explain
it.
So,
as
I
said
to
cancer,
strat
emotion,
defer
cannot
be
amended.
So
if,
if
you
want
it
to
be
deferred
to
the
administrative
policies
committee
instead,
then
you
have
to
vote
against
this
motion
to
defer
and
put
another
motion
deferred
forward.
However,
okay
counselor
saying,
I
think
your
question,
so
that's
the
that's
the
the
issue,
I'm
not
sure.
If
I
have
anything
they
they
want
to
say.
A
D
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
I'll,
I'll
get
started
and
manager
campo
may
want
to
add.
I
I
know
he's
done
some
consultation
on
on
this
bylaw
before
so.
We
would
definitely
want
to
reach
out
to
the
landlord's
association,
I
think
have
some.
You
know
focused
discussions
with
those
organizations
as
a
starting
point,
because
they're
the
ones
that
are
raising
obviously
some
of
those
concerns.
P
P
Already
right
now,
throughout
the
past
number
number
of
years,
we
partner
up
with
the
student
association
with
queen's
university.
We
do
pamphlet
education
flyers,
which
is
sort
of
to
my
understanding,
the
desire
of
what
council's
sort
of
looking
for
some
kind
of
information
that
can
be
delivered
to
the
property
owners
to
some
extent.
I
I
believe
that
is
happening.
P
Currently
it's
slated
to
happen
in
the
next
week,
or
so
with
queen's
university,
where
we're
going
door
to
door
with
kingston
police
and
bylaw
officers
to
give
out
information
about
the
nuisance
party
before
these.
These
major
events
happen.
So
we
do
this
before
st
patrick's
day.
We
do
this
before
homecoming
and
orientation.
D
C
A
K
E
K
E
G
L
E
G
E
These
are
the
matters
that
they
already
administer
and
they
already
have
a
system.
We
will
have
to
harmonize
the
system
because
even
the
municipality
of
loyalist
township
and
the
city
of
kingston
have
different
processes,
so
it'll
be
a
three-way
discussion
to
make
sure
the
system
works,
and
then
each
of
the
municipalities
would
have
a
separate
agreement
with
the
taxi
commission,
but
in
terms
of
the
their
admin,
internal
administration
and
autonomy.
It's
expected
that
will
just
stay
the
same
as
it
is.
G
And
just
a
follow-up
so
do
we
feel,
like
I
know,
with
all
the
sort
of
ride-sharing
programs,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
those
issues
are
are
coming
to
some
resolution
in
different
municipalities.
But
do
we
think
we're
at
the
point
where,
where
that's
a
good
idea
where,
where
they
can
resolve
those
differences
amicably,.
A
K
Thank
you,
mayor,
patterson
and
through
you.
If
you
would
give
me
10
seconds
sorry,
I'm
just
pulling
up
my
notes
on
this
one.
If
the
cfo
is
here,
miss
kennedy,
I'm
wondering
about
the
proportion
of
the
debt
that
is
shared
by
the
city
versus
the
federation.
Did
you
speak
to
that?
While
I
get
my
number
straight.
Q
Certainly,
thank
you
through
you,
mr
mayor,
thanks
for
the
question
counselor
kylie.
So
yes,
so
the
the
total
program,
the
kingston.
Actually
it's
now
I
think
it's
called
green
energy
or
something
program.
Now
we
changed
it,
but
when
council
approved
it,
it
was
for
about
just
over
18
million
dollar
program.
Q
It
was
a
20
municipal,
80
percent
funded
by
fcm,
and
this
there
was
a
split
between
a
grant
funding
and
a
loan
funding
with
fcm
council
approved
this
and
the
funding
as
part
of
the
capital
budget,
and
at
the
time
we
treated
the
80
percent
from
fcm
as
grant
funding,
and
that's
that's
how
it
was
approved.
Once
we
started
in
reviewing
the
agreements
and
getting
some
of
the
paperwork
from
fcm,
they
actually
are
requiring
us
to
issue
debentures
on
the
loan
piece
of
which
is
about
10
million
dollars.
Q
That
fcm
is
contributing
towards
the
loans
that
would
then
be
distributed
out
to
the
homeowners
and
so
because
they're
requiring
municipal
debentures
that
changes
the
whole
approval
process
under
the
municipal
act.
We
now
are
required
to
get
approval
from
council
in
terms
of
actually
issuing
those
debentures
to
fcm
and
then
showing
that
against
our
debt
limits,
and
so
that's
what
the
recommendation
is
doing
tonight
for
that
10
million
piece.
Q
Q
That
will
become
like
a
local
improvement
on
the
homeowners
tax
bill
and
they
will
repay
it
over
anywhere
up
to
a
20-year
term.
So
as
they
repay
those
funds,
they'll
come
back
to
the
city
and
we'll
flow.
Those
funds
back
to
fcm
fcm
has
just
recently
confirmed
that
they
will.
This
will
all
be
done
at
a
zero
interest
rate.
So
fcm
is
not
charging
us
any
interest
on
that.
10
million
dollars.
K
Q
Yep,
so
the
flow
is
fcm
will
loan
the
money
to
the
city,
so
we
will
issue
them
a
debenture.
They
will
give
us
the
10
million
dollars
or
up
to
10
million
dollars.
We
will
then
use
those
funds
to
loan
to
the
homeowners
to
cover
the
eligible
costs
under
the
program.
Then,
after
that's
done,
there'll
be
agreements
with
the
homeowners
as
well.
A
I
I've
had
some
opportunity
to
have
some
correspondence
with
miss
kennedy
on
this
particular
issue.
My
I
realized
that
the
province
has
announced
these
funding
envelopes
quite
recently,
like
48
million
dollars
and
it's
a
means
to
help
facilitate
improvements
within
the
operating
structure
and
the
planning
process
for
the
municipality.
I
My
concern
that
I
raised,
and
I'm
hoping
that
ms
kennedy
can
respond
to
this-
is
the
notion
of
a
sold
source
contract
when
what
is
only
deemed
to
be
required
is
to
sign
back
the
agreement
with
the
province
and
because
the
deadline
for
some
of
this
work
is
well
over
a
year
away.
I'm
asking
for
us
to
go
to
an
rfq
process
and
have
other
opportunities
from
other
accounting
firms
or
leading
businesses
that
do
this
type
of
work
to
come
forward
with
a
proposal.
I
The
reason
I
say
this
is
we
already
know
what
the
catchment
value
is.
So
it's
a
better
way
to
get
increased
value
for
our
tax
dollars,
even
though
our
taxpayers
are
paying
the
province
payment
for
still
tax
dollars
from
us
out
of
the
province,
because
we
know
the
envelope.
How
much
is
there
if
we
open
it
to
the
public
rather
than
sole
sourcing,
kpmg
we'll
have
an
opportunity
to
get
more
value,
more
hours,
more
experience,
better
proposals,
and
that's
what
I'm
asking
for
so
I
was
just
mr
kennedy.
Q
Q
We
have
to
have
a
the
review
completed
the
recommendations
and
the
report
back
a
report
back
to
the
minute,
a
separate
report
back
to
the
ministry
and
everything
to
be
available
publicly
by
february
1st
of
2023,
so
we
have
roughly
a
year
to
do
that.
It
takes
about
six
weeks
to
maybe
two
months
in
terms
of
doing
an
rfp.
By
the
time
we
pull
it
together.
Q
Q
You
know
I
still
have
10
months
left
on
the
calculator
for
that,
but
we
just
came
through
something
very
similar
and
council
will
recall
our
phase.
2
audit
and
accountability
fund
monies,
and
we
did
a
scheduling,
time
and
attendance
review
of
the
processes
for
that
and
that
actually
did
go
to
rfp.
We
had,
I
believe,
seven
proponents
with
that
rfp
kpmg
did
win
that
one
and
came
in
it
was
not
actually
our
auditing
office
here
in
kingston.
That
did.
Q
Q
It
takes
a
lot
of
work
to
carry
out
these
these
processes,
these
reviews
of
these
processes,
it's
across
the
whole
corporation
when
you're
talking
about
cash
receipts,
it's
a
number
of
departments
as
well
as
processes
within
our
agencies
and
utilities
kingston,
because
we
collect
on
them
as
well.
So
it
does
take
a
lot
of
time.
Q
It
takes
a
lot
of
time
to
pull
together
the
report
to
vent
that
through
the
appropriate
staff
and
the
senior
management,
and
then
to
do
the
reporting
back
so,
and
I
can
tell
you
frankly
for
the
time
and
attendance
I
wish
we
had
had
about
another
two
months
to
do
that.
We
actually
left
some
money
on
the
table
because
we
ran
out
of
time
and
I'd
like
to
have
expanded
the
scope
on
that
project.
Q
So,
from
a
time
standpoint
we
felt
that
we
another
taking
another
two
months
out
of
that
process
would
be
detrimental
in
terms
of
of
trying
to
have
the
appropriate
time.
Another
couple
things
that
we
did
look
at
and
you're
correct,
counselor,
it's
a
fixed
fee.
We
know
it's
150
000
and
that's
public
information,
and
so
the
consultants
know
that
as
well.
Q
Q
They
know
our
people,
they
can
hit
the
ground
running,
and
so
what
we
found
when
you
looked
at
value
for
the
dollars
value
for
that
150
000
of
fixed
fee,
we
were
getting
an
increased
value
from
kpmg
because
they
already
had
some
of
that
orientation
type
steps
already
done
some
of
the
initiatives
that
they
would
do
towards
that,
and
so
what
we
found
from
a
value
for
dollar
for
dollar.
We
were
actually
ahead
of
the
game
with
kpmg.
Q
The
third
last
thing
I'll
say
and
sorry
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
long
answer,
but
we
have
done
a
lot
of
work
on
this.
The
third
thing
that
I
will
say
is
there's
been
as
council
knows,
a
lot
of
money
out
there.
This
is
the
third
phase
of
the
audit
accountability
fund,
which
is
eligible
for
39
of
the
larger
municipalities.
Q
There
is
also
a
another
fund
that
that
does
something
similar
in
terms
of
looking
at
process.
Efficiencies
for
the
smaller
and
rural
municipalities
as
well
and
they've
also
had
a
couple
of
phases
of
funding,
and
so
in
terms
of
the
consultants
that
are
out
there.
That
can
do
this
work
they're
already
at
capacity.
They
have
a
lot
of
work
to
cover
off
these
projects
that
are
covered
by
by
these
two
types
of
funding
and
my
discussions
early
on
with
kpmg
our
auditors.
Q
Here
in
kingston,
they
actually
said
that
they
are
being
very
specific
in
terms
of
the
work
that
they're
taking
on.
They
do
not
have
the
capacity
to
to
do
all
of
the
demand.
That's
coming
from
these,
these
grant
fundings,
and
so
certainly
they
had
us
we're
one
of
the
largest
municipal.
We
are
the
largest
municipal
client
for
the
kingston
office.
Q
They've
done
a
lot
of
this
work
for
us
already,
and
so
they
were
also
interested
in
in
whether
or
not
we
were
going
to
be
needing
them
to
do
something,
because
otherwise
they
would
put
that
capacity
elsewhere.
So
there
was
a
concern
if
we
took
two
months
and
we
did
go
to
proposal
that
we
might
have
a
challenge
in
terms
of
of
getting
other
firms
to
propose
so
just
a
little
bit
of
context.
Q
I
I
know
of
several
consultants
that
do
this
type
of
work
and
I
would
encourage
us
to
open
that
up
to
a
larger
scale,
to
maybe
get
gain
experience
with
other
players
in
the
field,
so
that
you
know
should
one
time
come.
We
need
to
look
at
other
consultants
for
doing
work
that
is
paid
for
by
the
products.
R
Thank
you,
and
through
your
worship,
just
a
point
of
clarification.
So
what
is
before
you
tonight
related
to
the
provincial
funds
associated
with
the
facilitation
of
development
approvals
and
efficiencies?
That's
the
bylaw
just
for
council
to
be
able
to
enter
into
the
funding
for
council's
benefit.
We
will
be
bringing
a
report
on
march
1st
that
will
identify
all
of
the
staff
recommendations
with
respect
to
how
those
funds
get
spent.
We've
been
actively
working
on
that
for
about
a
week
and
a
half.
R
Now,
since
we
received
notification
that
the
money
would
be
coming
to
the
municipality,
we
just
have
didn't
have
time
to
get
all
of
that
together
for
this
evening,
but
the
agreement
itself
had
to
be
signed
before
the
next
council
meeting.
So
that's
why
you
see
the
bylaw
coming
tonight,
but
we
will
actually
be
bringing
you
a
report
that
will
itemize
all
of
the
recommendations
with
respect
to
how
those
provincial
funds
get
spent,
and
it
will
include
a
variety
of
different
initiatives.
It
wouldn't
just
be
one
contract.
It
could
involve
additional
staff.
R
A
J
A
P
A
A
A
A
H
Thank
you,
your
worship.
This
is
an
information
report,
so
we
can
only
ask
questions,
but
I
do
have
some
questions
for
staff.
So
through
you.
My
first
question
is
so
when
we
it
okay,
so
the
report
says
that
staff
intend
to
undertake
a
review
of
the
tree
bylaw
to
identify
opportunities
for
greater
tree
retention
at
that
time.
Right
after
we
do,
the
official
plan
update
and
I
think
the
last
time
we
did
the
official
plan
update.
R
Thank
you
and
through
you,
so
our
last
update
took
two
years,
we're
anticipating
about
a
two
year
time
frame
for
this
official
plan
review.
It
will
be
quite
comprehensive
in
nature
and
we
do
want
to
have
a
robust
public
consultation
program
associated
with
that
work,
so
that
is
scheduled
to
to
commence
in
2023.
But
to
your
point,
councillor
osanic.
R
I
think
the
key
thing
that
we
want
to
do
is
to
ensure
that
all
the
work
that's
going
to
go
into
the
official
plan,
review
and
and
really
having
a
much
greater
lens
on
climate
change,
that
we
are
able
to
take
that
information
and
make
sure
it
aligns
really
well
with
the
tree
bylaw,
because
the
tree
bylaw
is
one
of
the
implementing
elements.
The
municipality
has
relative
to
the
official
plan.
R
That
said,
we
can
do
the
work
simultaneously
or
concurrently
at
the
same
time,
so
we
don't
have
to
wait
for
the
official
plan
to
be
finished
before
we
start
the
tree
bylaw
review.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
those
two
documents
are
very
well
aligned
and
that
one
really
becomes
a
key
implementing
tool
for
the
city's
visionary
document.
In
the
official
plan.
H
N
H
Thank
you,
so
I
guess
that
would
be
the
april
eitp.
Okay!
Thank
you.
My
next
question
is
in
the
report.
It
gives
the
calculation
looking
at
all
the
development
applications
between
2019
and
2021,
how
many
trees
were
removed,
how
many
trees
were
replanted
so
of
the
2247
trees
that
were
on
had
been
calculated
that
were
removed
during
that
two-year
period?
What
size
were
those
trees
like
are
were
those
was
that
number
based
on
the
tree
inventory
and
it's
my
understanding,
but
it's
where
they
correct
me.
H
R
Yes,
thank
you
for
you.
Yes,
counselor
sonic.
That
would
be
correct
because
that
caliper
specification
comes
directly
from
our
tree
by
law
and
those
are
the
trees
that
are
subject
to
the
tree
by
law,
trees
that
are
smaller
than
that.
The
way
our
tree
bylaw
is
written
are
not
currently
subject
to
it.
H
I
see
okay
so
therefore
in
three
year
worship,
so
that
would
mean
that
there
is
a
lot
more
than
2
247
trees
that
were
removed
in
that
two-year
period,
because
15
centimeters
dbh
is
like
pretty
big,
and
so
all
the
trees
that
are
you
know,
12
centimeters,
10
centimeters,
are
not
included
in
that
calculation.
Is
that
right?
H
H
You
know
if
somebody
planted
a
tree
and
then
I
know,
I
believe
that
someone
from
planning
committee
goes
and
or
maybe
someone
from
forestry
does
a
site
inspection
before
the
securities
are
given
back
or
at
some
point,
the
permit
to
to
come
in
and
go
okay
yeah.
The
landscape
plan
said
you're
supposed
to
have
planted
15
trees,
there's
15
trees,
but
if
one
of
those
trees
dies
four
years
later,
what
is
the
inspection
of
the
site
plans
at
that
time?
R
Thank
you
and
through
you,
so
I
will
start
on
process.
I
don't
know
if
that
miss
santucci
or
mr
joyce
would
have
anything.
In
addition,
as
the
forestry
department
is
within
that
portfolio,
but
within
within
the
planning
framework
and
you're
correct,
we
do
take
securities
at
the
time
of
development
permits
being
issued
and
we
hold
those
securities
until
such
time
that
the
work
has
been
completed
as
outlined
in
the
agreement.
That
includes
all
of
the
planting
or
revegetation
plans.
So
typically,
what
happens
is
once
we
have
official
requests
for
drawdowns
on
the
security.
R
That's
an
indication
that
the
work
has
been
complete.
It
has
to
be
signed
off
by
whichever
professional,
landscaper
or
horticulturist
has
been
retained
by
the
property
owner
staff
goes
out,
so
there's
planning
stock
that
goes
out
and
then
also
staff
from
forestry
that
would
go
out
to
inspect
whatever's
been
planted
on
the
property
to
look
at
the
condition.
Certainly,
if
there's
anything
that
has
died
within
the
period
of
time
where
we're
holding
securities
are
part
of
that
active
checking
that
goes
back
to
the
applicant
and
they
they
do
have
to
replace
it.
R
But
your
question
is
more
so
you
know
beyond
when
the
securities
have
been
released,
because
the
work
is
complete.
What
happens?
You're
correct
it's
more
on
a
complaint
basis.
If
there's
something
that
happens
with
respect
to
the
property,
certainly
staff
would
go
out
and
investigate
on
private
property.
H
Yeah,
thank
you.
So
my
question
was
exactly
private
developments.
I've
been
on
planning
committee
16
years,
so
I've
seen
a
lot
of
woodlands
being
taken
down
for
development
and
during
that
time
I've
seen
trees
that
were
once
planted
that
have
been
died
as
I'm
driving
around
the
city.
I
remember
those
sites,
and
so
it
is
then
anyone
can
send
a
complaint
in
to
the
planning
department.
Is
that
it
then
mosaic
knew
who
and
then
planning
department
would
say,
because
I
remember
george
wallace
when
he
was
the
director
of
planning
committee.
H
He
would
always
tell
us
that
on
the
site
plan
right,
they
had
to
plant
like
these
15
trees
and
that
becomes
a
record
of
their
site
condition.
I
think,
and
we
would
ask
for
how
many
years
and
he
would
say
forever
for
as
long
as
it's
you
know,
whatever
company
or
whatever
retail
store
it
is
for
as
long
as
it
is
that
site
those
trees
have
to
stay
there.
So
I
think
you
know
if
one
of
those
trees
dies
10
years
later,
it
should
be
replaced
by
the
owner
of
that
property.
Correct.
R
Yes,
cancer.
That
is
correct,
anything
that
goes
through
the
development
process,
that's
subject
to
either
a
site
plan
agreement
or
a
subdivision
agreement.
Those
are
legally
binding
contracts
at
the
municipality
that
are
registered
against
the
title
of
the
property,
so
they
stipulate
what
the
conditions
are
that
are
acceptable
relative
to
development,
including
all
of
the
the
landscaping
and
planting.
R
H
H
This
sort
of
thing,
the
the
official
plan
review,
was
just
done
in
ottawa
and
I'm
not
sure
if
staff
are
aware
that
they
put
in
their
official
plan
that
they're
aiming
for
40
percent
tree
coverage
in
ottawa,
and
I
just
wondered
if
on
staff
could
just
follow
through
their
ottawa's
official
plan,
to
see
if
that
actually
got
gets
approved
by
the
ministry
of
municipal
affairs
and
housing.
That's
where
their
official
plan
is
right
now
and
we
might
not
be
on
council.
R
Certainly
counselor.
We
have
been
actively
following
the
official
plan
review
for
the
city
of
ottawa
for
many
reasons,
so
that's
certainly
something
that
we're
continuing
and
we'll
look
at.
You
know
should
we
want
to,
and
I
believe
that
we
should
look
at
having
targets
in
our
official
plan
that
align
with
our
strategic
forest
management
plan.
We
can
embed
those
targets
in
the
official
plan
and
we
can
change
them
so
again.
R
There's
a
lot
of
really
important
conversations
and
work
to
happen
as
we
look
at
balancing
our
goals
of
of
not
wanting
to
expand
unreasonably
as
a
city
or
unsustainably,
but
also
looking
at
how
we
encourage
great
development
that
does
a
good
job
of
retaining
trees
or
doing
a
planting
or
replanting
programs
or
expanding
programs
so
that
we
we
have
all
of
those
things
in
check,
but
I,
I
think,
there's
an
important
conversation
to
come
and
we
can
certainly
follow
up
on
that.
So
thank
you
for
that.
H
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
just
my
last
question
is,
I
think
we
heard
from
some
of
the
delegations
last
night.
I've
definitely
had
it.
It's
like
through
email
that
the
word
biodiversity
is
only
mentioned
once
in
in
this
tree
report.
All
the
focus
in
terms
of
climate
change
is
just
on
what
looks
to
be
like
carbon
sinks
and
not
talking
about
biodiversity,
because
without
everything
to
do
with
our
ecosystem
we
won't
be.
You
know,
humankind
won't
be
here
much
longer.
It's
all.
H
It's
all
a
factor
of
climate
change,
especially
because
there's
reports
that
40
percent
of
species
have
already
gone
extinct.
You
know
it's
just
awful
stuff
out
there,
so
I'm
in
terms
of
biodiversity,
I'm
I
know
that
the
city
of
kingston
does
not
have
a
biodiversity
plan.
Do
we
have
a
biodiversity
policy.
R
Thank
you
and
for
you
so
from
the
planning
perspective,
we
definitely
have
a
section
in
the
current
official
plan.
That
is,
is
more
termed
energy
in
the
environment,
so
it
speaks
to
biodiversity
in
a
number
of
elements
of
environmental
concern.
Psw
significant
forests,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
language
in
there,
but
certainly
if
we're
if
we
want
to
look
at
developing
more
specific
type
targets
or
policies
related
to
biodiversity,
it's
certainly
possible
for
this
to
explore
that
through
a
greater
degree
in
the
official
plan.
N
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mayor,
patterson,
yeah,
biodiversity,
I
think,
is
named
in
some
some
of
the
works
that
are
happening
and
certainly
in
public
works.
It's
a
consideration.
Certainly
within
the
forestry
group.
It's
a
large
consideration
as
we
consider
what
what
species
are
appropriate
for
this
region,
both
from
a
a
natural
perspective
in
terms
of
native
species
and
what
species
can
adapt
because
of
the
climate
impact
that
were
that
were
seen
in
this
region.
N
So
it
certainly
is
a
consideration
and
I
think,
as
part
of
the
certainly
as
part
of
the
forestry
management
program
that
will
be
included
in
that
in
that
in
that
realm
and
there
I
do.
I'm
aware
that
in
past
years,
there's
been
some
attempts
to
improve
biodiversity
with
some
of
the
parks
allowing
them
to
go
to
natural
grasses
and
those
kind
of
things,
and-
and
I'm
not
sure
how
far
that
got.
I
don't
think
very
far.
J
R
I
thank
you
and
for
you,
and
I
think,
counselor
neil.
What
you're
referring
to
is
what
oftentimes
gets
shown
at
the
zoning
stage
or
official
plan
amendment
stage,
which
is
a
conceptual
design
of
a
future
development
that
has
been
rendered
with.
You
know,
proposed
vegetation,
but
it
may
not
be
in
fact
be
a
representation
of
what
actually
gets
built,
because
that
is
more
established
through
the
site
plan
process
which,
unless
there's
a
bump
up
motion,
doesn't
make
it
to
to
planning
committee
itself.
R
I
would
say
that
you
know
staff
really
endeavor
to
ensure
that
you
know
we're
not
looking
for
a
like
for,
like
comparison
necessarily
what
comes
through
in
site
plan.
It
has
to
meet
with
the
parameters
of
whatever
the
zoning
permissions
that
have
been
set
for
the
site
in
terms
of
the
building
envelope
and
we're
getting
into
things
like
building
articulation
materials
when
we're
looking
at
site
plan
the
detailed
design
and
that's
where
we
get
a
lot
more
detail
with
respect
to
the
actual
landscaping
plans.
R
But,
however,
you
know
sometimes
I
understand
what
you're
saying
that
the
renderings
that
come
forward
as
part
of
the
conceptual
stage
they
do
look
very
attractive
and
they're
meant
to
as
associated
with
trying
to
build
a
vision
or
a
concept
of.
What's
there.
However,
we
do
work
hard
to
try
to
make
sure
that
the
site
plans
are
as
good
as
possible
and
detailed
as
possible
on
the
landscaping
side,
and
we
certainly
work
on
that
with
with
our
partners
in
parks
and
in
public
works.
R
So
when
we
receive
those
requests
and
and
normally
you'll
see,
maybe
a
50
or
60
percent
reduction,
the
city
holds
10
percent
for
at
least
a
year
beyond
the
time
of
of
the
substantial
completion
of
the
project.
Each
of
those
intervals,
when
we
receive
a
security
request
reduction
staff
go
out
to
do
the
inspection
to
ensure
that
the
work
that
the
applicant
is
saying
is
complete
is
actually
completed
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
municipality
in
accordance
with
our
legal
agreements.
So
it's
usually
happening
multiple
times
before.
R
J
R
So
it's
typically
triggered
through
the
process
of
security
release
because,
as
you
can
imagine,
an
applicant
doesn't
want
the
municipality
holding.
What
sometimes
is
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
longer
than
we
need
to
if
the
work
is
complete.
I
think
your
question
is,
if
there's
a
delay
when
a
site
plan
is,
is
being
completed
or
there's
a
prolonged
period
of
time
from
which
we
haven't
received
a
security
request.
R
I
think
what
we
have
been
trying
to
do,
in
particular
within
this
term
of
council,
is
a
lot
of
proactive
work,
clearing
the
backlog
of
site
plan
deficiencies
and
being
more
proactive,
and
in
that
case,
there's
been
more
active
enforcement
and
a
bit
of
a
additional
rigor
to
our
approach
than
what
was
probably
seen
in
previous
terms
of
counsel.
But
it's
something
that
we're
always
working
on
within
the
resources
that
we
have
within
the
department.
J
R
B
R
I
would
say
it's
fairly
atypical
because,
similar
to
the
previous
comment,
I
made
the
majority
of
people
that
are
developing
properties.
Do
not
want
the
city
holding
large
letters
of
credit
or
funds
associated
with
that
property
for
any
longer
than
they
have
to,
and
they're
usually
working
to
have
whatever
materialized
on
that
site
is
needed
so
that
they
can
start
to
generate
some
income
associated
with
it.
So
there
usually
is
a
sense
of
urgency
or
expediency
to
their
completion.
R
However,
sometimes
we
do
see
people
dragging
their
heels
on
that
last
10
or
15
percent
of
work,
and
those
are
the
things
we've
been
more
proactive
on
on
keeping
an
inventory
of
those
and
doing
proactive
follow-up,
which
historically,
the
city
has
not
done
very
well.
So
it
is.
It
is
a
newer
practice
and
it's
something
that
we're
continuously
refining
to
address
those
concerns
of
of
the
last
sort
of
push
to
get
to
that
hundred
percent.
J
I
appreciate
that
my
final
question:
we,
we
may
all
recall-
and
we
were
reminded
of
this
with
some
letters
and
some
delegation
statements,
but
we
passed
unanimously
a
heritage
tree
program
and
in
fact,
name
two
trees
in
that,
and
I
think
that
was
a
little
over
a
year
ago.
Where
are
we
at
at
actually
making
those
defined
as
heritage
trees?
J
L
Sorry,
thank
you
and
through
you
trouble
with
my
own
mute,
you
are
correct.
Counselor
neil.
It
was
in
september
of
2021
that
emotion
was
passed,
that
kingston
would
participate
in
the
heritage
tree
program.
That
heritage
tree
program
does
not
automatically
map
onto
a
process
of
heritage
designation
under
the
ontario
heritage
act,
so
staff
did
follow
the
direction
of
council
in
terms
of
sharing
that
information
as
directed
and
also
letting
community
members
know
of
our
participation
in
that
program.
L
As
a
mechanism
of
commemoration
for
those
trees,
however,
there
was
no
direction
to
pursue
designation
under
part
four
of
the
ontario
heritage
act
and,
as
a
result,
no
designations
were
brought
forward
to
heritage
kingston
at
this
time.
So
the
the
motion
dealt
specifically
with
the
the
program
and
not
with
the
designation
opportunities
that
could
be
afforded
under
the
ontario
heritage
act.
A
So
I'm
going
to
jump
in
on
this
one
cancer,
neil
yeah.
That
question
go
because
I
thought
it
was
enough
connected
to
the
report,
but
to
be
honest,
now
we're
getting
into
something
that
is
different
from
the
information
report.
That's
in
front
of
us,
so
I'm
not
suggesting
you
may
not
have
more
questions
and
follow
up,
but
I
am
going
to
ask
that
you,
you
park
those
or
you
can
ask
those
questions
online
or
we
can
bring
a
different.
J
F
N
Thank
you
and
for
you,
mayor,
patterson
thanks
councillor
rustroff.
I
think
that
it's
a
good
point
and-
and
I
think
it's
important-
that
we
do
provide
that
information
to
the
rural
advisory
committee.
I
think
there's
always
value
in
that
and
and
we've
seen
that
with
some
other
things
so
yeah
we'll
certainly
make
sure
that
happens.
N
A
I
And
so
my
question
then
follows
up
on
to
that,
as
a
supplemental
would
be
so.
In
theory,
a
developer
can
cut
down
trees
in
addition
to
the
dead
and
the
emerald
ash
before
the
forestry
department
comes
in
to
assess
the
tree
evaluation
of
that
said
law.
So
how
do
we
tighten
up
that
tree
bylaw
to
ensure
that
only
that
trees
or
emerald
ash
are
actually
harvested
and
large
white
pine
80
60
years
old
are
not
cut
down?
How
do
we
do
that.
A
I
A
K
Thank
you,
mayor,
patterson
and
through
you,
perhaps
to
miss
agnew
or
mr
park
on
the
note
of
the
charts
within
the
report
where
it
says
what
has
been
cut
down
in
terms
of
number
of
trees
beyond
the
15
centimeter,
centimeter,
dbh
and
the
ones
planted
are
the
ones
planted
of
equal
girth
as
the
ones
cut
down,
or
I
could
ask
it
in
this
way.
Are
all
the
ones
listed
as
planted
at
least
15
centimeters
dbh.
R
I
would
actually
need
probably
miss
hantucci
to
speak
to
what
that
represents,
that
350
dollar
tree
represents
from
from
a
public
works
perspective.
From
a
replanting
perspective,
I
wouldn't
say
that
it's
a
it's
a
match
for
match
this
caliper
that
the
overall
associated
value
is
captured,
but
it
doesn't
mean
that
if
it's
like
a
20
caliber
tree,
that's
taken
down
that
it's
replaced
with
exactly
the
same
tree
and
species.
S
K
R
You're
testing
my
knowledge
of
the
tree
by
a
lot
counselor,
so
I
would
say
that
could
be
true.
I
think,
where
there's
a
circumstance,
that's
associated
with
a
development,
that's
done
through
site
plan
versus
plan,
a
subdivision
where
there's
prescribed
ratios
of
the
one
to
one
or
two
for
one,
depending
on
the
the
condition
of
the
tree.
But
when
you
get
into
looking
at
the
the
abort
culture
calculation,
it
does
calculate
things
differently
and
that's
usually
used
for
for
trees
that
are
larger
of
a
healthier
special
nature.
R
So
one
tree
of
that
of
of
a
larger
size
size
could
require
eight
to
ten
trees
replaced.
You
know
it
are
put
in
its
place,
but
you
know
you're
talking
about
a
mature
tree
versus
trees
that
will
take
time
to
grow.
So
eventually
the
idea
is.
They
are
a
fair
value
for
one
another,
but
recognizing
that
the
fact
that
you're-
not
putting
in
you
know
a
huge
mature
tree
that
would
be
comparable,
you're
going
to
have
eight
to
ten
trees
of
of
a
smaller,
healthier
size
that
have
to
have
time
to
grow.
S
That
to
get
the
trees
to
that
size,
it's
not
just
the
cost
of
the
tree,
but
there
is
the
ongoing
maintenance.
That's
done
on
those
trees
and
inspection.
So
definitely
in
the
first
three
to
five
years,
there's
a
significant
amount
of
time
that
goes
into
making
sure
those
trees
remain
healthy,
so
that
that
also
gets
incorporated
into
some
of
that
cost.
K
Okay,
thanks
very
much
supplemental
final
question
from
me
recognizing
the
complexity
of
how
we
calculate
values
with
trees
and
what
we
commodify
natural
assets,
as
I
think
that's
all
well
and
good.
However,
I'm
wondering
if
we
could
have
updated
numbers
that
would
show
trees
cut
above
the
15
centimeter
dbh
versus
trees
planted
above
the
15
centimeters
dbh.
In
other
words,
could
we
please
take
out
any
trees
that
are
below
that
diameter
to
see
the
comparison
in
that
way,.
R
I
thank
you
counselor.
I
I
would
have
to
take
that
question
away.
I
think
it's
something
that
commissioner
joyce
and
I
can
can
look
at
specifically.
I
couldn't
speak
to
it
tonight
in
detail,
but
I
think
it's
something
that
we
can
take
away
as
a
follow-up
and
provide
some
additional
information
to
council.
A
A
Committee
in
q2
2022
and
this
council
direct
staff
to
replace
the
no
stopping
road
signs
on
lancaster
drive
in
front
of
mother
teresa
catholic
school
and
lancaster
drive
public
school
with
larger.
No
stopping
road
signs
as
an
immediate
measure
to
enhance
visibility
of
existing
patients
in
place
and
that
staff
hire
a
school
crossing
guard
for
the
intersection
of
lancaster
drive
and
limestone
drive.
As
an
interim
measure
for
the
remainder
of
the
school
year.
To
address
community
requests
to
enhance
the
safety
of
students
crossing
at
this
location.
During
school
arrival
and
dismissive.
H
Thank
you,
your
worship
through
you.
This
motion
is
asking
to
strike
a
working
group
to
look
at
pedestrian
safety
at
our
schools.
Safety
is
everyone's
responsibility.
It's
the
board
of
education,
the
cities,
the
parents,
picking
up
and
dropping
off
their
children
and
the
school
bus
drivers.
You
navigate
through
a
lot
of
commotion
at
the
front
and
back
of
the
schools
trying
to
get
the
our
children
in
and
out
of
the
loading
areas.
Each
and
every
day
a
representative
from
the
kingston
police
force
will
be
sitting
on
this
working
group.
H
I
am
expecting
that
the
director
of
each
board
of
education
will
sit
on
this
group
last
night.
I
was
asked
by
a
parent
if
the
working
group
could
include
a
representative
from
the
kingston
coalition
of
active
transportation.
You
might
have
you
might
remember,
with
all
the
delegations
that
we
had
last
night.
H
We
did
have
roger
healey
of
kcat
speak
to
us
and
about
the
success
of
active
transportation
at
winston
churchill,
public
school
and
how
they've
been
closing
off
the
road,
so
the
working
group
would
definitely
be
allowed
to
invite
kcat
to
be
on
the
committee
as
well.
We
haven't
had
a
working
group
like
this
before,
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
I
think
it's
a
very
important
working
group
to
strike
right
now
and
we
need
all
stakeholders
at
the
table.
H
Not
every
school
may
have
pedestrian
safety
concerns
to
bring
to
this
working
group.
However,
for
those
schools
that
do,
I
think
the
discussion
from
this
working
group
will
help
resolve
various
issues,
whether
they
be
common
issues
seen
at
most
of
the
schools
or
site-specific
problems,
most
notably
at
mother
teresa
and
lancaster
drive
public
school
that
are
side
by
side.
H
This
motion
also
asked
for
a
crossing
guard
at
lancaster
and
limestone
drive,
which
is
a
four-way
intersection
east
of
the
schools.
Currently,
the
schools
don't
have
a
crossing
guard.
I'm
asking
council
to
please
support
the
hiring
of
the
crossing
guard
at
the
east
side.
I
have
two
questions
to
staff.
The
first
one
through
your
worship
is
how
does
a
parent
counsel
in
the
city
request
to
be
part
of
this
working
group.
N
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mayor,
patterson
thanks
councillor
senec,
so
the
the
parent
councils
will
be
involved
and-
and
I
had
both
director
semple
and
myself-
had
a
very
good
meeting
with
the
two
primary
school
boards.
Last
friday.
It
was
a
meeting
that
was
set
up
actually
three
days
after
the
tragic
death
of
sochi,
and
it
was
a
good
meeting.
I
did
inquire
to
them
about
how
we
would
involve
the
parent
councils.
N
They've
asked
that
they
would
look
after
that
they,
if
they
have
parent
councils
and
they
have
a
central
parent
council,
so
to
speak.
I
can't
remember
the
exact
structure,
what
they
called
it,
but
they
have
a
mechanism
for
that,
and
so
the
intent
would
be
to
leave
it
with
the
school
boards
on
how
that
would
how
the
parent
councils
would
be
involved
into
this
working
group
and
then
how
the
individual
parent
councils
would
feed
into
that.
H
Okay,
thank
you.
My
second
question
is
last
night
we
heard
several
of
the
delegations
talk
about
or
try
to
request
a
crossing
guard
on
the
west
side
of
the
school
at
dunham
at
dunham
street,
and
I
just
wondered
if
staff
could
comment
on
on
the
potential
necessity
of
putting
a
crossing
guard
there
and
like
how
that
could
come
about.
O
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
mayor,
thank
you
counselor
sanik,
for
your
question.
The
city
has
the
city
has
a
process
that
we
use
for
crossing
guard
assessments
for
any
requests
that
come
in.
However,
in
this
situation,
I
think
it's
important
that
we
look
at
all
of
the
information,
and
I
think
you
heard
through
some
of
what
the
parents
presented
last
night
and
some
of
what
the
other
delegations
presented
the
need
to
look
at
the
situation
holistically
to
determine
the
the
best.
I
think
approaches
that
could
be
put
in
place.
O
You
know
either
from
an
infrastructure
standpoint
or
from
a
program
standpoint
that
could
that
could
work
in
that
area
before
prescribing
individual
solutions.
We
would
want
to
look
at
the
area
as
a
whole
that
so
that
means
we
wouldn't
just
look
at
the
frontage
of
the
school.
We
would
look
and
consider
the
intersections
in
the
area
in
around
in
and
around
both
of
those
schools
and
any
of
the
the
patterns
and
travel
patterns
of
the
students
that
that
would
factor
into
that.
So
I
I
think,
as
it
relates
to
that
particular
location.
H
H
F
F
You
know
concerns,
and
I
have
elgenberg
school
and
I'd
be
remiss
not
to
mention
that,
and
I
appreciate
mr
sample's
attention
and
staff,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
he
would
be
able
to
just
speak
to
that-
that
all
schools,
with
with
similar
issues
that
we're
talking
about,
will,
will
will
be
looked
at.
And
the
one
focus
they've
been
asked
me
to
ask
you
about,
is
sidewalks,
and
is
that
something
that
you
actively
look
at
and
we'll
see
how
that
works
and
connects
to
the
solving
the
problems.
O
Through
through
you,
mr
mayor,
thank
you
councillor,
straw
for
your
for
your
questions.
What
I
can,
I
can
say
is
since
the
accident
we've
heard
from
just
in
my
last
review,
many
parents
from
from
we've
heard
from
many
parents
from
more
than
14
different
schools,
including
elgenberg
public
school.
The
issues
that
have
been
shared,
some
of
them
are,
you
know,
are
known
to
us
and
have
been
brought
up
previously.
O
Others
were
brought
up
by
parents,
just
I
think,
in
light
of
their,
you
know,
closer
look
at
what
might
be
going
on
in
and
around
their
child's
schools.
So
we
we
take
all
of
those
concerns
that
come
in,
and
staff
from
the
transportation
team
work
with
the
schools
work
with
our
other
partners,
both
internally
and
externally,
to
gather
information
and
look
at
what
solutions
can
be
put
in
place.
O
It
also
includes
partnerships,
one
of
which
you
heard
about
last
night
from
from
kcat
in
in
their
work
that
they
want
to
do
in
the
community
and
the
way
that
the
city
can
support
that
with
you
know,
information
or
with
support
that
they
need
to
be
able
to
operate
those
programs.
So
we're
we're
aware
of
the
the
other
concerns
that
have
been
been
raised.
The
the
issues
at
each
school
are
that
it
is
not
the
same
issue
at
every
school.
They
are
all.
O
They
all
are
unique
in
some
some
capacity
and
we
would
look
at
what
is
required
at
each
of
those
locations
as
part
of
our
normal
review,
the
I
think
the
with
the
school
pedestrian
safety
working
group
that
will
also,
I
think,
assist
in
having
those
discussions
at
with
the
school
boards
and
the
other
stakeholders
to.
I
think,
understand
what
what
aspects
they
can
bring
to
the
discussion,
as
as
counselor
osanic
noted,
in
the
way
that
we
can
approach
the
problems
as
partners
in
a
more
holistic
way.
G
G
You
know
very
very
concerned
about
the
safety
of
their
children
and
it's
impacted
on
sochi's
friends
and
obviously
that
her
family
is
devastated.
You
know
that
her
her
friend
her
teachers
at
the
school
and
everybody
who
was
involved
in
that
all
of
our
ems
workers.
So
you
know,
I
think
what
this
work
will
do
is
is
be
a
bit
of
a
legacy
for
sochi's
life.
G
It's
not
a
simple
answer,
and
I,
although
I
really,
I
think
that
the
measures
that
counselor
saanich
has
asked
for
specific
to
this
site
are
important
to
get
us
through
to
the
end
of
this
school
year.
Even
with
the
folks
that
spoke
last
night,
you
heard
some
differences
of
opinion
because,
because
it
is
a
co,
it
is
a
complex
issue.
It's
not
simply
a
a
matter
of
infrastructure.
G
G
One
of
the
things
that
you
know
I've
heard
from
every
school
in
in
my
district,
I
have
six
elementary
schools
and
a
high
school
and
I've
heard
from
them
all
and
parents
very
concerned,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we've
seen
even
during
this
pandemic
is
the
inclination
gone
up
dramatically
of
parents
to
bring
their
kids
to
school,
which
has
changed
the
they
can.
You
know
congestion
around
the
schools?
That's
just
one
element
of
it,
though,.
M
G
You
know
ability
to
provide
some
input
into
this.
What
kind
of
infrastructure
issues
need
to
be
addressed?
What
are
the
unique?
As
director
sample
has
said,
what
are
the
unique
issues
that
you
know
we
have
at
different
schools?
It's
a
it,
but
it
is
much
more
complex
than
simply
saying
you
know.
The
city
should
do
this,
and
if
the
city
did
that,
then
this
problem
would
be
resolved.
So
I
think
the
working
group
is
is
is
really
really
important
aspect
of
this.
G
I
think
the
working
group
will
have
the
opportunity
to
really
take
a
a
a
broad
view
of
this
issue,
because
times
have
changed.
You
know
our
circumstances
are
significantly
different
now
than
they
were
10
years
ago,
and
when
I
was
a
principal
even
so
you
know
it
I
all
I
can.
All
I
can
say
is:
I
think
we
out
of
this
terrible
tragedy.
G
We
have
an
opportunity
to
to
try
to
make
sure
that
our
kids
get
to
school
safely,
that
we've
done
everything
that
we
can,
in
conjunction
with
all
of
our
partners,
to
make
sure
that
that
happens,
and
I
think
that
would
be
a
significant
legacy
for
so
she
and
her
family
to
leave
to
this
community,
and
I
certainly
offer
any
support
that
I
can
to
to
assist
in
this
task.
So
again,
thank
you
to
councillor
saanich
for
bringing
this
forward,
and
I
will
obviously
be
supporting.