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From YouTube: Kingston, Ontario - City Council - March 22, 2022
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City Council meeting from March 22, 2022. For full meeting agenda, visit https://bit.ly/3twhKIb
A
A
B
As
the
mayor
of
the
city
of
kingston,
I
offer
these
words
in
the
spirit
of
this
gathering.
Let
us
bring
our
good
minds
and
hearts
together
as
one
to
honor
and
celebrate
these
traditional
lands
as
a
gathering
place
of
the
original
peoples
and
their
ancestors
who
are
entrusted
to
care
for
mother
earth.
Since
time
immemorial,
it
is
with
deep
humility
that
we
acknowledge
and
offer
our
gratitude
for
their
contributions
to
this
community
having
respect
for
all,
as
we
share
the
space
now
and
walk
side
by
side
into
the
future.
B
So
with
that,
as
a
an
official
call
to
order,
it's
a
great
pleasure
to
welcome
all
of
you
back
to
council
chambers.
It
was
two
years
ago
that
we
saw
each
other
on
zoom
for
the
first
time,
and-
and
here
we
are
back
in
council
chambers-
I
was
I
was
going
to
say-
this
is
their
first
in-person
meeting
in
two
years,
but
actually
to
be
more
accurate.
B
This
would
be
the
first
ever
hybrid
council
meeting
that
we
have
ever
had
and
I
do
want
to
recognize
staff
in
the
clerk's
office
and
our
ismt
department
that
have
worked
tirelessly
over
the
last
number
of
weeks
to
put
together
the
technology
to
make
this
work.
If
you've,
if
you've
participated
in
any
hybrid
meetings,
you
know
that
they
can
be
a
little
bit
challenging
to
work
with,
but
I
think
we
have
a
great
setup
here
not
to
say
that
there
might
be
some
further
changes
as
we
as
we
go
forward.
B
C
Muhammad
assan,
equity
diversity,
inclusion
manager,
janet
janes,
deputy
city
clerk,
excuse
me,
heather,
scranton
manager,
housing
and
child
care,
jeffrey
walker,
manager,
taxation
and
revenue,
joanne,
boris
housing
program,
administrator,
elizabeth
bossett,
me
and
sullivan
are
providing
meeting
host
services
tonight
and
chris
aberne
is
providing
technical
support.
We
do
also
have
a
number
of
delegations
candace
christmas.
His
delegation
number
one
delegation,
two
jill
charrette
and
carol
ravnis
and
delegation,
three
megan
o'leary
and
justine
mcisaac,
and
we
have
one
briefing
from
laura
turner.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
So
we
were
meeting
in
committee
the
whole
closed
meeting
and
we
discussed
several
items,
one
with
respect
to
collective
bargaining
with
a
yahtzee
local
471,
also
parkland
acquisition
and
the
cio
performance
review.
So
I
will
ask
for
a
motion
to
rise
without
reporting.
Please.
B
B
We
have
a
couple
of
additional
reports
with
respect
to
the
integrated
care
hub.
We
have
an
item,
a
miscellaneous
business
and
some
communications.
Can
I
have
a
mover
and
a
seconder
for
those
additives,
please
food
by
a
council
with
sanic
executed
by
council
or
neil
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
carried
okay
with
council's
permission,
in
addition
to
amending
amending
our
agenda,
which
also
includes
the
withdrawal
of
new
motion
one.
B
I
would
also
like,
with
council's
consent,
to
bump
up
report
number
36
from
the
citizens
remuneration
committee
until
right
after
the
briefing
those
members
of
the
committee
are
all
here
and
joining
us,
but
we
thought
that
if
we
did
the
briefing
and
then
discuss
the
report,
then
they
would
be
available
for
further
questions.
So
if,
if
everyone's
nodding
in
my
direction,
that's
okay,
okay,
thank
you.
Are
there
any
disclosures
of
potential
bikinary
interest,
counselor
bone.
D
Thank
you,
your
worship
and
through
you,
this
is
actually
for
a
previous
meeting,
and
this
is
my
first
opportunity
to
disclose
it,
as
I
was
not
able
to
attend
that
meeting
for
personal
reasons.
So
I
ryan
bowman,
the
corporation
of
the
city
of
kingston,
declared
my
puny
interest
in
the
matter
of
clause.
6
report
number
29
as
an
employee
of
utilities
kings,
and
it
may
be
perceived
that
I
have
a
conflict
with
agenda
item
6
report
29
of
the
previous
meeting,
insofar
as
it
relates
to
utilities
kingston.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
seeing
none
we
will
move
on.
We
have
no
presentations
this
evening,
but
we
do
have
three
delegations
so
first
I
will
invite
candace
christmas
to
appear
before
council
to
speak
to
clause
5
of
report
number
32
from
the
cio
with
respect
to
the
integrated
care
hub
next
steps
and
just
a
reminder
to
all
of
our
delegations
this
evening
that
you
have
five
minutes
to
speak
and
then
I
will
open
up
the
floor
to
members
of
council.
So
with
that
miss
christmas,
welcome.
E
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
for
giving
me
the
time
this
evening
I
sent
in
some
slides,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
you're
going
to
get
to
those.
So
I
just
wanted
to
start
out
by
saying,
first
and
foremost,
it's
amazing
news
that
the
ontario
ministry
of
health
has
decided
to
fund
the
integrated
care
hub
and
that
the
doors
will
stay
open.
E
E
E
The
problem
is
the
complexity
of
the
care.
That's
required
is
also
complex
from
a
governance
and
accountability
perspective,
so
certainly
with
my
training
in
health
policy
and
equity
at
york.
Multiple
services
require
multiple
funding
streams,
but
they
also
require
overarching
governance
and
accountabilities.
I'm
sorry.
E
So
what
I
would
really
hope
that
council
can
consider
is
that
it
is
not
as
simple
as
allocating
the
funding.
We
need
the
funding
from
the
city
as
well
beyond
the
moh
funding,
but
more
than
anything
we
need
a
robust
accountability
and
governance
structure
that
will
bring
in
the
patrons
of
the
integrated
care
hub
the
people
who
work
there,
the
people
who
run
the
organizations
that
serve
them,
but
also,
as
we've
seen
from
the
recent
report,
that
we
also
need
to
incorporate
within
that
integration
of
governance,
the
neighborhood
as
well.
That's.
B
F
Thank
you,
mayor
patterson,
and
thanks
for
the
presentation,
candace,
the
question
is
not
sure
I
understood
exactly
and
it
I
appreciate
everything
that
you've
said
and
are
saying.
Are
you
thinking?
Is
there
a
board
of
directors
now?
Is
it
something
that
you
would
like
to
see
council
come
behind
in
governance
or
what?
What
exactly?
How?
How
do
you
see
that
structure
coming
around
you?
It
is
there
already
a
board
of
directors
and
and
leadership
in
place.
I'm
sorry,
I
should
know
this,
but
I
don't.
E
No,
no,
there
is
not
there's
a
significant
transition
that
will
need
to
transpire
between
currently
how
services
are
provided
and
and
how
they
may
be
in
future.
The
reason
why
I'm
suggesting
that
a
governance
structure
well
number
one
that
we
need
to
just
recognize
the
community,
the
ich
as
a
community
asset
right.
It's
it's
not
it's
not
a
medical
facility.
E
It's
a
success
story,
albeit
incredibly
inelegant,
as
I
said
in
many
ways,
but
there's
one
other
model
too,
that
we
can
look
to,
which
is
alpha
house
in
calgary,
they've,
been
at
it
for
30
years,
and
I
think
kingston's
done
pretty
amazingly
well,
given
the
fact
that
we've
we've
realized
what
we
have
in
two
years
in
the
middle
of
a
pandemic.
So
so
I
guess
my
message
to
folks
is
that
integrated
care
is
really
really
difficult
because
of
ministry
silos,
and
if
we
can
create
something,
that's
community-based.
G
Thank
you,
mayor,
patterson
and
yeah.
I
guess
this
is
just
really
picking
up
on
where
you
left
off
with
the
the
other
models.
So
I'm
thinking
thinking
back
to
when
we
got
to
the
point
of
talking
about
needing
healthcare
money
to
fund
this,
the
integrated
care
hub.
That
was
because,
of
course,
it
started.
As
you
all
know,
it
started
to
take
shape
during
the
pandemic
and
had
emergency
funding
but
longer
term.
G
What
you're
saying
is
that
seems
to
be
now
a
bit
of
a
bit,
perhaps
too
much
of
the
healthcare
system
in
being
involved
or
proposed,
but
that
a
different
model
of
health
is
what
exists
at
the
ic
agent
and
I'm
wondering
if
the
the
one
that
exists
in
calgary
that
you
mentioned
is
so
similar.
Are
we
the
only
one
in
ontario
and
is
this
with
the
community-based
model?
E
100,
we
are
the
only
one,
that's
functioning
in
ontario
that
way.
Waterloo
has
been
doing
some
good
work,
but
but
they're
not
they're,
not
even
close
to
coming
to
so
so
the
foundations
are
first
of
all
low
barrier.
So
again,
it
is
not
uncommon.
Well,
it
is
common.
It
is
prevalent
in
every
community
across
canada
for
that
matter,
for
people
who
use
substances
to
experience,
difficulties
accessing
a
variety
of
services,
in
particular
folks
who
are
homeless.
E
E
So
it's
interesting
how
you
know
we
we
position
this
as
a
as
a
medical
crisis
and
maybe
a
public
health
crisis,
and
I
agree
it's
both,
because
if
we,
if
we
learned
anything,
I
think
we
learned
that
the
clientele
who
are
at
the
integrated
care
hub
do
have
significant
medical
needs
that
are
being
that
are
not
being
met.
As
I
mentioned,
you
know
just
the
header
injury
alone
from
a
cognitive
perspective,
if
you
think
of,
for
example,
the
supports
that
are
required
to
support
an
adult
on
the
autism
spectrum.
E
You
know
they're
significant
they're
they're
expensive
their
their
their
wraparound,
but
certainly
in
the
case
of
kingston
we're
going
to
need,
you
know
other
funding
streams
to
make
up
the
difference.
The
the
overall
budget,
as
the
ceo
has
articulated
in
her
report,
is,
is
around
three
mil
three
million
annually
currently,
so
it
does
leave
a
bit
of
a
shortfall.
E
My
concern
is
more
around
ensuring
that
the
different
social
supports
that
are
required
again.
Continuing
engagement,
for
example,
the
hub
hires,
some
some
of
its
patrons
as
employees
on
site.
That
is
also
in
the
recommendations
from
the
consultants
that
you
know
folks
could
be
hired
to
do
cleanup
and
so
on
around
the
neighborhood.
E
So
if
we
don't
have
a
governance
structure,
that's
community-based,
my
fear,
is
it's
very
easy
to
sort
of
slide
into
that.
You
know
sort
of
medical
dyad
between
you
know
a
counselor
and
their
patient,
for
example.
Well,
while,
as
you
know,
the
services
that
have
been
providing
it
at
the
hub
are
a
lot
more
extensive
than
that,
and
and
as
I've
articulated
are
a
community
on
to
themselves.
E
So
and
and
again,
I
I
have
to
congratulate
everyone,
because
it's
it's
amazing
work
considering
you
know
how
quickly
we
had
to
to
throw
this
all
together
because
of
covid
alpha
house
had
the
luxury
of
of
not
having
to
deal
with
a
pandemic
and
about
five
years
to
go
through
their
growing
pains.
So
so
so
I
think,
with
again
a
little
bit
more
and-
and
I
put
it
before
council
because
again,
regardless
of
where
the
funding
comes
from
this,
this
is
still
it's
a
community
resource.
So.
B
H
I
want
to
make
sure
I
hurt
you
properly,
the
among
other
things,
the
you're,
encouraging
a
change
in
governance
regarding
the
ich
which
would
involve
employees,
managers,
clients-
and,
I
believe
you
said
in
the
neighborhood
as
well,
in
line
with
the
molten
report
which
just
came
out
yesterday.
Yes,
so
the
problem
I
see
with
that
and
I'll
get
to
the
question
as
fast
as
possible.
H
The
the
problem
I
see
with
that
is
that
kingston
health
services
and
the
the
health
providers
providing
this
have
a
responsibility
to
fulfill
the
contract
and
make
sure
the
services
are
provided,
and
I'm
wondering
in
line
with
what
you're
saying,
if
some
kind
of
community
in
the
broad
sense,
including
the
groups
you
suggested
advisory
committee
or
advisory
board,
would
be
fulfill.
What
you're
trying
to
get
at
while
allowing
the
health
providers
to
take
the
responsibility
they
have
to
take
and
they'll
be
contractually
complete,
okay
required.
So
the
question
is.
I
B
H
E
Yes,
absolutely
my,
I
guess
my
my
fundamental
point
is
that
this
is
this
is
a
broader
community
effort,
it's
beyond
strictly
healthcare
and
while
the
healthcare
providers
will
certainly
you
know,
they
have
to
serve
their
masters
too.
That's
going
to
go
into
their
contracts
in
terms
of
what
the
deliverables
are.
B
And
with
that,
we'll
move
to
our
second
delegation
this
evening,
we'll
invite
jill
shett,
executive
director,
hiv
aids,
regional
services
and
carol
ravnis
executive
director
of
addiction
and
mental
health
services
kfla,
who
will
appear
before
council
to
speak
to
clause.
5
report
number
32
from
the
cio
with
respect
to
the
integrated
care
hub
next
steps.
Mr
charette
and
mr
ravnis
welcome
and
you
have
the
floor.
K
Thank
you
good
evening.
Everyone
carol
rapness,
isn't
able
to
join
me
tonight,
so
on
behalf
of
the
integrated
care
hub
team,
including
our
community
partners.
I'd
like
to
begin
by
expressing
my
thanks
to
city
staff,
mayor
patterson,
dr
picora,
from
khsc
for
the
work
they've
done
to
secure
provincial
funding
to
continue
the
work
of
the
ich
in
council's
report.
You'll
have
seen
a
number
of
key
metrics,
so
I
won't
repeat
those,
but
I'm
hoping
that
the
story.
K
Those
numbers
tell
is
that,
since
opening
in
august
of
2020,
the
ich
has
met
a
critical
need
for
part
of
the
population
who
has
sometimes
faced
barriers
accessing
the
kind
of
services
offered
at
the
ich
and
that,
in
fact,
the
icah
is
an
inces,
an
essential
part
of
a
suite
of
supports
for
individuals
who
may
use
substances
or
experience
homelessness
or
have
significant
mental
health
challenges.
The
brain
injury,
the
ich
is
not
for
every
person
experiencing
homelessness
or
who
are
used
as
substances,
but
it's
filling
an
important
gap.
In
our
system.
K
We
were
living
through
an
acute
drug
poisoning
crisis
in
our
region.
There
have
been
more
drug
poisoning,
deaths
than
deaths
related
to
covet
19.,
but
thanks
to
the
heroic
efforts
of
the
ich
team,
the
rate
of
drug
poisoning
deaths
in
kfla
is
flattening
at
a
time
where
rates
are
climbing
dramatically
across
north
america,
and
because
of
that
people
are
being
diverted
from
the
emergency
room.
More
importantly,
lives
are
being
saved
having
a
space
like
the
ich
where
people
who
use
substances
can
be
kept
safe
is
crucial.
K
K
It's
key
to
people,
building
their
self-worth
and
seeing
what
might
be
possible
for
their
futures.
There's
no
question
that,
in
spite
of
the
successes
of
the
ich
that
there
have
been
challenges,
I
think
we
all
know
what
they
are.
It's
difficult
to
feel
that
the
ich
and
those
we
serve
are
often
not
welcome.
Neighbors.
K
The
ich
team
has
a
great
deal
of
empathy
for
the
challenges
experienced
by
people
in
the
area
and
wish
that
the
community
understood
that
the
team
are
just
trying
to
help
tackle
a
huge
crisis,
one
that
would
surely
be
worse
were
the
ich
not
in
operation
stigma
around
homelessness
and
substance.
Use
continues
to
be
pervasive.
Compound
compounding
shame
that
keeps
people
from
reaching
out
for
much
needed
supports,
but
the
greatest
challenge
is
simply
that
the
need
is
so
great
that
our
it
currently
exceeds
our
capacity
to
meet
it.
K
So
we
need
to
continue
focusing
on
increasing
supportive
housing
and
other
shelter
options
in,
in
addition
to
access
to
safe
supply
programs,
it's
essential
that
to
move
forward,
we
begin
by
reframing
our
understanding
of
substance
use
disorder
as
just
that
a
health
issue,
not
a
moral
failing.
The
sooner
we
do
this,
the
sooner
we
can
address
the
stigma
that
causes
communities
to
want
to
turn
their
heads
away
from
this
crisis.
K
These
conversations
are
going
well
and
in
the
spirit
of
the
ontario
health
teams,
we're
developing
a
core
group
of
partners
who
will
work
collaboratively
to
deliver
care
in
order
to
ensure
continuance
of
service.
We
envision
the
ich
operating
as
it
does
now
for
a
period
of
time
after
april
1st,
as
we
finalize
this
model
and
work
on
a
thoughtful
way
towards
the
future.
This
will
allow
time
for
the
funding,
particulars
and
money
to
flow
from
the
ministry.
K
H
Mr
charade,
thank
you
for
your
good
work
and
those
are
employees.
The
you
heard
earlier,
an
appeal
for
something
like
a
community
advisory
board
with
participants
from
all
parties.
Do
you
think
that's
possible
or
even
desirable?
I
know
you
have
to
be
responsible
in
the
end,
as
with
the
kingston
health
center
for
the
contract.
K
Yes,
thank
you
for
the
question.
Yes,
I
think
that
that
is
desirable
and
doable
and
in
fact
it
is
in
line
with
the
model
that
we
have
been
adopting.
As
you
know,
the
the
sole
you
know
funder
or
funded
agency.
I
should
say
for
the
last
20
months,
we
have
an
advisory
council.
The
people
we
serve.
Our
staff
are
involved
in
a
lot
of
the
decisions
that
are
being
made.
K
It's
it
really
is
meant
to
be
collaborative,
but
as
we
formalize
some
of
the
partnerships
that
are
core
to
the
work
that
we
do,
because
previously
it's
been
sort
of
a
more
loose
affiliation
and
really
we're.
You
know,
as
as
the
purse
holder,
there's
a
lot
of
influence,
that
is,
that
is
centralized
with
one
agency.
K
The
ethos
of
integrated
care
is
really
to
bring
partners
along,
but
even
more
importantly,
engage
the
people
that
we
serve
in
the
decision-making
process,
the
philosophy
and
harm
reduction
and
a
lot
of
those
roots
come
from
the
early
days
of
the
hiv
aids
movement,
which
of
course,
you
know
horrors
is
in
in
its
genesis.
A
hiv
service
organization
is
nothing
without
us.
K
Nothing
about
us
without
us,
and
so
that
is
in
alignment
with
you
know
who
we
are
and
what
we
do,
and
certainly
the
idea
of
an
advisory
council
that
includes
you
know
all
of
these
stakeholders
would
be
important.
Obviously
each
organization
has
their
own
boards
that
they
need
to
be
accountable
to,
but
certainly
that's
an
alignment
with
the
philosophy
of
care
that
the
ich
seeks
to
provide.
B
J
H
H
K
Absolutely
I
mean
I
think
I
can
answer
the
question
in
advance.
I
think
it's
really
important
to
for
for
no
one
to
misunderstand
just
how
deep
and
severe
the
drug
poisoning
crisis
is
as
generous
as
the
province
is,
with
their
offering
and
as
generous
as
the
city
has
been
over
the
last
20
months.
Again,
the
need
exceeds
our
capacity
to
adequately
meet
it.
K
L
K
We
we
currently
have
our
safety
and
engagement
staff
who
do
community
work
and
look
after
things
on
property
that
take
place,
but
as
well
as
some
neighborhood
concerns,
but
we
are
reliant
on
city
of
police
city
of
kingston
police
as
well
as
bylaw,
to
assist
us
as
well.
This
really
does
need
to
be
a
collaboration
and
a
partnership.
L
K
B
Okay,
seeing
that
mr
thank
you
very
much
thanks
everyone,
and
with
that
we'll
move
to
our
third
and
final
delegation
this
evening,
I
will
invite
megan,
o'leary
and
justine
mcizek
from
consumption
and
treatment
services
who
appear
before
council
to
speak
to
clause.
5
report
number
32
from
the
cao
with
respect
to
the
integrated
care
hub
next
steps.
M
So
really
we're
attending
tonight,
more
in
support
of
hers
and
our
partners
for
securing
ongoing
funding
and
really,
if
there's
any
questions
that
arise
tonight,
specific
to
cts
programming
at
the
ich,
especially
in
respect
to
the
evaluations
being
presented
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
justine.
If
she
has
any
any
words
as
well.
N
Thank
you,
megan
yeah,
just
moving
forward
with
the
new
direction
of
the
hub.
I
think
it's
very
important
moving
forward,
especially
in
my
role
as
consumption
treatment,
services
and
navigating
an
ever-changing
drug
landscape
and
how
dangerous
that
is
for
a
community
and
the
people
that
live
in
our
community.
N
Our
partnerships
are
key
and
community
buying
and
support
is
needed
moving
forward.
We
will
not
fix
this
overdose
catastrophe
or
crisis
if
we
do
not
start
to
change
the
social
construct
of
how
we
view,
individuals
that
use
substances
and
the
people
that
live
in
this
community
who
use
substances
and
are
unhoused,
are
our
neighbors
as
well
so
moving
forward.
N
This
needs
to
be
in
the
hands
of
the
community
and
it
should
have
buy-in
from
the
community
support
from
as
many
agencies
as
possible
in
order
to
navigate
this
this
drug
catastrophe
that
we
are
experiencing
due
to
failed
drug
policies
and
so
on
and
so
on.
It
is,
unfortunately,
our
mess
to
clean
up
and
we
have
to
commit
to
that
moving
forward.
If
we,
if
we
want
to
be
collectively
and
collaboratively
better
as
a
community,
we
have
a
great
opportunity
to
progress.
O
Thank
you,
your
worship.
My
question
is
really
about.
I
think
I
visited
the
integrated
care
hub.
I
realized
that
there's
significant
issues
with
regards
to
being
providing
a
safe
environment
for
consumption,
but
now
that
the
ministry
of
health
is
funding
it.
Do
you
envision
a
component
where
you'll
have
a
counseling
service
to
help
people
weighing
off
drugs,
maybe
have
an
opportunity
to
take
methadone
or
suboxone
and
actually
stop
using
or
getting
to
a
treatment
plan
or
a
treatment
program?
N
Thank
you
so
much
for
that
question.
Actually,
a
lot
of
those
things
are
already
in
place
at
the
moment
being
that
kingston,
community
health,
centers
and
street
health
is
one
of
the
key
partners.
We
have
access
to
rapid
addiction,
medicine
and
we
can
service
people
right
away.
We're
able
to
streamline
those
services
because
we're
a
part
of
street
health,
so
cts
and
the
hub
itself
makes
an
immense
amount
of
referrals
to
opiate
substitution
therapy.
We
have
on-site
counselors
come
in
as
well
as
on-site
primary
care.
N
O
Thank
you
and
through
your
worship.
My
second
question
really
relates
to
the
the
testing
of
the
of
the
substances
I'm
wondering
how
that's
going
and
if
you're,
defining
that
you've
been
able
to
screen
out
very
toxic
street
drugs
that
have
been
laced
with
fentanyl
and
other
items
that
would
potentially
harm
someone
to
cause
death
and
has
that
been
how's.
That
testing
process
that
pilot
program
that
we've
been
working
with
like
photon.
N
That's
that's
a
that's
a
really
good
question,
but
a
very
complex
question.
At
the
same
time,
as
I
continuously
speak
on
how
the
drug
landscape
is
ever
changing
realistically
fentanyl
is,
is
not
necessarily
what
people
are
testing
for
anymore.
Unfortunately,
the
illicit
market
has
already
been
flooded
with
fentanyl.
Now
we're
looking
at
substances
like
bootleg
benzodiazepines,
like
a
tissue
on
that
are
actually
10
times
more
powerful
than
valium
and
actually
over
prolonged
use,
drastically
changed
the
chemical
makeup
in
individuals
brains
and
impairs
their
ability
to
recover.
N
So
it's
hard,
we
have
access
to
reports
that
come
out
of
toronto
testing,
which
we
know
very
clearly
based
on
drug
trends
flow.
Our
way
we
have
applied
through
health,
canada
as
well
for
testing
strips
in
order
to
provide
on-site
and
the
younger
from
queens,
is
working
on
expanding
their
portfolio
for
testing.
N
I
B
This
point
we
will
move
on
in
our
agenda.
We
have
no
further
delegations,
but
we
do
have
one
briefing
this
evening,
and
so
it
is
my
pleasure
to
welcome
back
to
to
the
council
horseshoe
former
councillor,
laura
turner,
who
will
be
appearing
for
us
to
speak
to
clause
1
of
report
number
36
from
the
citizen
committee
to
review
council
remuneration.
P
Q
P
My
pleasure
to
be
here
to
present
to
council
the
citizens
renumeration
final
report,
I'd
like
to
introduce
the
three
members
that
are
here
with
me
this
evening
as
well.
One
is
jordan,
morelli,
lindsey
foster
and
indira
narain,
who
sat
on
the
committee
with
me
just
for
some
background
for
the
public
and
some
context.
The
citizens
committee
was
mandated
by
council
to
examine
the
role
and
responsibility
of
the
councillors
and
mayor
to
make
recommendations
regarding
remuneration
and
administrative
support
for
the
next
council
of
2022
and
2026..
P
The
members
of
the
committee
came
from
different
sectors
and
provided
a
wide
range
of
experience.
The
members
were
as
follows:
myself,
which
my
background
was
a
former
city
council
member
from
the
term
of
2014
to
2018..
Jordan
morelli
was
the
vice
chair
and
he
represented
organized
labor
at
large,
heather
cole
represented
the
education
sector.
P
P
We
looked
at
barry,
bramford,
the
municipality
of
chatham
kent
guelph,
sudbury,
thunder
bay
and
peterborough,
so
there
were
seven
in
total
that
we
looked
at.
Additionally,
our
committee
created
an
online
survey
and
interview
questions
for
the
current
members
of
city
council.
In
total
nine
council
members
completed
the
15
question
survey
online
and
10
council
members
participated
in
a
45-minute
interview
conducted
by
three
members
of
the
committee
I'll
quickly
run
through
some
of
the
other
issues
that
we
considered
and
how
we
achieved
our
conclusions.
P
We
looked
at
average
salaries
between
seven
municipalities.
In
kingston,
we
looked
at
the
median
salary
between
seven
municipalities,
the
average
cost
per
resident
of
the
seven
municipalities
in
kingston
and
the
average
cost
per
councillor,
calculating
the
salary
renumeration
of
the
total
budget
of
the
municipality
for
each
of
the
seven
communities.
P
So,
given
the
community's
observations
obtained
through
the
survey
and
interviews,
a
modest
increase
in
salary
is
what
we've
recommended.
It's
just
a
modest
one:
it's
not
a
huge
one.
It's
just
a
modest
one.
The
recommendation
as
you've
probably
read
in
the
report
is
the
129
000
for
the
mayor
and
45
000
counselors,
the
cpi,
the
consumer
price
index
adjustment
will
remain
in
place
beginning
in
2023.
P
So
I
want
to
mention
something
too
that
what
we
discovered
is
the
average
cost
per
resident
for
the
recommend
recommended
base
salary
for
the
mayor
is
a
dollar
dollar
and
four
cents.
So
that's
what
they
pay
in
their
taxes
for
the
mayor,
each
resident,
each
taxpayer
and
per
resident
for
counselors
is
36
cents.
So
it's
not
a
lot
of
money
in
the
whole
big
picture
of
everything.
In
addition,
we
reviewed
comparative
data
for
group
benefits,
insurance,
pension
travel
allowances
and
all
the
other
things
that
are
included
in
the
benefit
packages
and
the
changes
for
these.
P
P
It's
recommended
that
four
percent
of
their
base
salary
should
be
added
to
anyone
that
sits
on
the
count
on
planning
committee
meetings.
Other
recommendations
that
we've
suggested
are
a
dedicated
administrative
resource
to
be
provided
to
council
members.
This
would
be
in
way
of
two
employees
part-time
that
would
be
a
full-time
equivalent.
P
This
person
or
persons
would
provide
liaisons
social
media
policy
research
and
organizational
skills
provided
to
the
counselors
at
the
beginning
of
2022
term
council
members
would
be
provided
with
routine
and
relevant.
Relevant
training
and
mental
health
supports
would
be
made
to
all
members
of
council
we're
also
suggesting
the
council
direct
staff
to
access
and
provide.
P
What
the
committee
found
through
our
interviews
is
that
this
job
is
not
for
the
faint
of
heart
and
that
some
members
of
council
it
can
be
a
24
7
job.
Some
counselors
have
been
able
to
place
boundaries
on
their
availability
and
their
timelines,
while
others
have
had
to
endure
verbal
assaults
and
trolls
on
social
media.
P
The
salary
increase
is
a
modest
increase.
The
community
concluded
that
the
compensation
paid
to
counselors
doesn't
reflect
the
magnitude
of
the
work
undertaken
by
counselors
and
members
of
council.
The
councillors
and
mayor
are
responsible
for
half
a
billion
half
a
billion
dollars
in
the
taxpayers,
money
which
is
a
huge
responsibility,
and
it
is
not
taken
lightly.
P
The
city
of
kingston,
both
population
and
economy,
continue
to
trend
upwards
city
council
must
continually
adapt
to
these
associated
demands
of
such
growth.
Therefore,
we
recommend
the
compensation
should
reflect
this.
To
conclude,
I'd
like
to
thank
the
renumeration
review
committee
for
all
their
hard
work.
I'd
also
like
to
thank
the
city
clerk
department,
the
financial
services
department,
human
resource
organization,
development
department
for
all
their
help
and
invaluable
guidance,
and
help
in
seeing
this
committee
through
the
process.
They
were
very
patient
with
us.
Thank
you
everyone.
B
R
R
I
wanted
to
ask,
though,
about
guelph
guelph,
in
my
mind,
is
in
many
ways
the
most
comparable
city
to
kingston
in
ontario
and
there's
a
lot
of
kind
of
absentee
data
in
the
report,
and
I'm
not
I'm
not
looking
at
the
committee
in
error
that
way,
but
I'm
wondering
if
there's
an
explanation,
why
that
information
wasn't
available
from
guelph.
Maybe
someone
can
help
me
understand
that.
S
R
D
Thank
you,
your
worship
and,
and
through
you
thanks
everybody
on
the
committee
for
for
your
hard
work
on
this.
I
know
that
a
lot
of
hours
were
put
into
this
and
also
laura
turner.
Like
I
know,
your
experience
before
on
council
really
gave
you
an
insight
into
just
what
this
job
actually
entails.
So
obviously
your
experience
was
extremely
valuable
and
your
opinion
carried
a
lot
of
weight.
D
I'm
sure
I
guess
one
thing
that
I
would
ask
if
you
could
provide
a
quick
answer
for
is
a
lot
of
the
members
of
the
public,
see
this
come
up,
and
then
I
know
other
council
members,
and
probably
yourself
included
when
you
were
on
council,
are
asked.
Oh,
is
it
true
that
council
votes
on
their
own
pay
raise?
B
P
Thank
you,
councillor
baum.
You
answered
the
question
very
well,
but
it's
true
and
if
you'd
like
the
clerks
to
add
anything
to
this,
that
would
be
helpful
but
you're
right.
It
is
a
private
citizens
group.
I
tried
to
say
that
in
in
my
my
little
presentation,
but
it's
all
in
the
report
we
look
at
the
our
job
is
tasked
to
review
the
salaries
and
then
we
present
the
report
to
council.
D
Thank
you.
I
guess
if
the
clerk
would
like
to
comment
on
who
actually
gets
the
pay
raise?
It's
not
this
council,
I
believe,
but
if
the
clerk
could
provide
for
again,
I'm
answering
my
own
question.
Sorry,
the
clerk
could
provide
some
comments
in
in
in
context
of
that,
so
that
the
public
can
truly
understand,
because
I
I
know
once
this
goes
out
in
the
media,
regardless
of
the
result,
there'll
be
further
questions
on
it.
S
Thank
you
for
that
question.
I've
heard
the
answer
a
couple
times,
but
I'll
just
reaffirm:
what's:
misstated
yeah
the
the
the
remunerations
for
the
next
term
of
council,
the
people
that
were
appointed
to
this
committee
very
diverse
and
inclusive
group,
or
basically
the
community
and
the
community,
is
making
the
recommendation
to
council
and
council
is
then
either
going
to
prove
or
not
approve
the
recommendation.
It
does
not
impact
remuneration
for
this
current
term
of
council.
D
O
P
Thank
you,
councillor,
chappelle,
for
your
question.
It's
a
very
good
question
and
you
did
have
some
very
good
suggestions
when
we
interviewed
you,
we
did
consider
that
in
the
report
of
your
suggestion,
but
we
found
that
difficult
to
administer
a
comprehensive
suggestion
across
many
counselors
of
taking
that
snippet
of
money
and
allocating
it
to
different
people.
P
But
I
guess
you
could
do
that
yourself.
You
could
allocate
your
own
support
staff,
but
this
way
it's
sort
of
a
start
to
getting
support
staff
for
council
to
get
them
to
have
someone
within
the
system
that
can
navigate
their
way
through
city
hall
and
to
help
them
learn
their
way,
especially
for
new
counselors
that
are
coming
on
board
to
learn
their
way
through
the
city
hall
and
how
it
works
and
get
help
within
city
hall
versus
help
within
your
own
home
office.
O
P
B
Okay,
miss
turner.
Thank
you
very
much
and
with
that
just
if
you
and
the
committee
members
can
stay
online
just
in
case
there
are
any
further
questions
right
now
we
are
going
to
deal
with
your
report,
so
so
at
this
point
I
will
ask
for
report
number
36
from
the
citizens
committee
to
review
council
remuneration.
C
I
B
T
T
Your
report,
overall,
I
think,
was
very
thorough
and
I'm
not
going
to
repeat
what
we've
already
heard
several
times,
but
in
fact
that
this
is
an
arms-length
community
group
that
are
making
the
recommendation,
and
I
really
really
appreciate
that.
There's
one
very
minor
thing
and
I'm
gonna
separate
the
this:
when
we
come
to
the
final
vote,
I've
traditionally
always
voted
against
and
will
vote
against
the
idea
of
a
cost
of
living
allowance
stipend.
T
That
very
minor
thing
isn't
a
very
costly
thing,
but
I
think
it
is
something
that
we
should
acknowledge
if
we,
if
no
other,
if
no
employee
in
the
city
is
afforded
that
I'm
not
sure
I
don't
understand
why
council
would
be,
and
that's
just
a
personal
observation.
I've
voted
against
it
before
and
been
scolded
for
doing
that
and
but
I'll
be
voting
against
that
tonight.
But
everything
else
in
here
in
your
report,
I
think,
is
excellent.
Thank
you.
Q
Q
I
can
tell
you
that
if
I
was
still
a
high
school
principal,
I
don't
think
I
could
incorporate
all
this
work
on
top
of
my
daily
job,
and
especially
you
know
when
my
kids
were
home,
so
I
don't
think
you
want
to
see
a
council
made
up
of
just
old
people.
Like
me,
I
think
you
want
to
see
a
pretty
diverse
council,
and
I
think
that
this
is.
B
Okay,
so,
as
per
counselor
neil's
request,
we
will
do
two
votes.
First,
we
will
vote
on
the
entirety
of
the
recommendation,
except
for
the
second
component
of
the
first
paragraph
that
says,
with
annual
consumer
price
index
adjustments,
starting
as
of
january
1,
2023,
okay,
so
everything
other
than
that.
First,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
that
carries
by
a
vote
of
12
to
one
counselor,
chappell
opposed
and
then
now
on
the
remaining
piece
from
paragraph
one.
Yes,
councilor
hutchinson.
Sorry.
H
B
A
B
B
To
so
so,
the
way
this
works
is,
you
have
to.
You
only
speak
once
to
the
overall
clause.
See
we
don't.
We
don't
do
separate
rounds
for
each
of
the
individual
paragraphs
so
because
we
haven't
started
the
voting.
We'll
just
continue
the
discussion
until
everybody's
completed,
so
you
have
five
minutes
to
speak
to
this
or
any
of
the
other
paragraphs.
B
H
Okay,
so
that's
for
both
five
minutes:
okay,
okay,
so
be
quick.
I
don't
think
the
planning
committee
members
deserve
a
four
percent
of
base
salary-
immunization,
it's
a
fanny
committee
like
any
other.
There
is
more
work,
so
you
adjust
what
you
do
on
the
other
committees
to
make
it
fit,
and
I
I
can't
see
this.
I've
had
a
lot
of
work.
When
we
did
the
art
we
were
doing
the
parks
as
the
ceo
can
attest.
H
You
choose
what
you're
gonna
do
and
I
think
you
should
and
what
it
does.
What
really
bothers
me
about
is
it
sets
up
two
tiers
of
counselors
ones
that
receive
extra
money
and
those
who
don't
and
that
doesn't
go
well
over
time.
We
had
a
board
of
control,
remember
once
upon
a
time
and
that's
why
it
failed,
and
so
I
really
asked
council
to
consider
that
council
renewal
is
quite
correct.
You
can
spend
all
the
time
he
says
and
I'm
sure
he
does
and
the
weeks
when
some
of
us
are
on
planning
hand.
H
Counsel
is,
you
know,
just
a
wipeout,
but
I
don't
think
we
should
set
up
that
kind
of
differentiation.
The
seventh
one
bothers
me:
it's
the
detailing
requirements,
including
potential
costs,
conducting
review
full-time
versus
part-time
council
member
positions.
I
don't
remember
anybody
asking
for
that,
but
I'm
a
question
to
the
clerk.
It
says:
adjusting
word
boundaries.
Are
you
not
charged
with
doing
that
anyway?
S
H
Yeah
all
right,
so
we
don't.
We
can
just
ignore
that
part
of
that
paragraph.
Seven.
The
problem
with
this
is
the
whole
question
of
full-time
versus
part-time
has
a
long
history
over
a
hundred
years.
Okay,
and
what
it
is,
is
the
people
that
are
able
to
run
for
the
full-time
positions
are
not
most
of
the
population.
H
Anybody
with
wages
who
has
to
be
at
work
to
earn
their
money
and
people
like
in
a
situation
like
councillor
hill,
tend
to
be
excluded
because
they
don't
control,
not
just
money,
which
is
part
of
the
problem,
but
they
don't
control
their
own
time.
They
have
to
be
at
work,
so
they're
not
available
to
to
be
there
full-time.
That's
one
of
the
reasons
why
part-time
works
better.
H
Now,
where
you
see
it
in
in
ontario,
tends
to
be
the
really
large
places
like
toronto,
hamilton
and
waterwalk,
and
counselor
kylie
told
me
that
guelph
had
done
this.
They
can
do
what
they
like
that
doesn't
make
them
right.
Okay-
and
so
I
cannot
include
conscious,
vote
for
this,
because
it's
less
democratic
fewer
people
can
afford
to
run
and
fewer
people
have
the
time
to
run
and
we
went
through
this
eight
years
ago,
whenever
the
last
time
we
did
this,
and
it's
very
obvious
that
this
is
the
effect.
B
H
I
H
B
B
I
just
want
counsel
to
understand
we're
not
making
any
decisions
here,
we're
not
even
commissioning
a
report,
we're
just
simply
asking
staff
for
more
information,
and
the
fact
is
that
there
are
counselors
around
this
table
that
have
expressed
me
that
they
do
think
that
this
is
a
question
worth
exploring
regardless.
We
may
all
have
strong
feelings
about
one
way
or
the
other,
but
this
is
just
to
take
an
additional
step,
potentially
get
more
information,
so
I
think
number
one.
B
First
of
all,
I
think
in
recognition
of
the
fact
that
this
is
coming
from
our
own
citizen
committee
that
they
have
recommended
this.
I
think
that
that
should
be
supported
just
in
recognition
of
that.
Ultimately,
once
we
get
to
that
stage,
council
can
decide
whether
we
want
to
move
further
on
it
or
not
so
nobody's
taking
any
positions
on
this.
B
The
other
piece
is
for
paragraph
three:
I'm
happy
to
support
it
simply
because
I
have
seen
over
the
years
that
we
have
a
hard
time
getting
counselors
to
to
volunteer
to
be
on
planning
committee.
If
we
didn't
have
this
problem,
if
we
always
had
six
or
more
counselors
wanting
to
be
on
planning
committee,
then
you
know
what
I
probably
would
say:
no,
this
additional
piece
isn't
enough,
but
sometimes
when
there
is
that
additional
work
that
you're
really
volunteering
for
this
is
something
that
can
encourage
counselors
to
put
their
name
forward
last
term.
B
We
did
this
for
the
deputy
mayor
role,
because
there's
a
lot
of
additional
work
that
comes
with
being
the
deputy
mayor
and
we
were
having
a
hard
time
attracting
counselors
that
wanted
to
have
that
role.
It's
a
small
increase,
but
I
think
it's
a
recognition
of
the
fact
so
I'm
happy
to
to
support
both
paragraph
three
and
seven.
Thank
you.
B
L
Thank
you,
your
worship.
I
support
what
councilor
hutchinson
has
said,
and
I
appreciate
the
gesture
for
that
four
percent
increase
to
the
annoyment
and
to
the
remuneration
committee
that
that's
really
nice.
I
appreciate
that
because
I
do
know
planning
committee
is
a
lot
of
work,
but
this
is
what
we
signed
up
for
as
being
a
counselor
and
there's
a
way
to
balance
all
that
extra
work
on
planning
committee
by
maybe
then
not
being
on
as
many
other
committees.
L
It
all
depends
what
planning
application
is
on
the
agenda,
and
this
is
what
we
signed
up
for,
and
so
I
totally
appreciate
the
gesture
of
that
extra
four
percent,
but
you
know
I
just
want
equality
and
there's
a
way
to
balance,
and
so
I
won't
be
supporting
paragraph
three
for
paragraph
seven.
I
know
there's
you
know
like
two
sides
to
the
story
and
we
kind
of
had
that
debate
over
the
years
too,
of
counselor
at
large
versus
district
counselor.
L
This
is
now
full-time
versus
part-time
and
I
know
we're
not
arguing
it
out
tonight,
but
I
think
it'd
be
really
hard
to.
You
know
quit
your
full-time
job
just
for
a
four-year
gig.
You
know
so,
if
you're
retired
or
close
to
retirement,
you
can
take
that
risk.
But
when
you're
in
your
late
20s
you're
in
your
30s,
you
need
job
security
and
to
quit
whatever
job
you
had
up
until
the
age
of
32
and
just
to
try
it
for
four
years
where
you
could
be
turfed
after
that
four-year
term
too.
L
Like
I
just
I
don't
want
to
put
anybody
in
that
position
unless
you're
you
know
in
the
gta,
where
you're
making
a
hundred
and
ten
thousand
dollars
right,
those
full-time
counselors
in
brampton
and
toronto
and
markham
they're
making
a
hundred
and
ten
thousand
dollars,
they
have
staff
like.
Maybe
for
that,
it's
worth
that
risk,
but
for
our
job
here
in
you
know,
I
was
gonna
say
like
little
kingston
but
in
you
know,
mid-size
city
kingston.
L
B
U
Thank
you
worship,
so
to
to
start
with.
Let's
first
just
acknowledge
what
both
those
clauses
are
attempting
to
address,
and
that
is
workload
and
compensation
right.
In
general
terms,
we've
heard
about
these
equality
or
equity
between
counselors
as
a
team,
and
I
think
that's
a
probably
a
principle-
that's
higher
more
important
than
than
adequate
compensation
would
be
council
members
to
be
all
paid
the
same.
I
think
I
think
then,
but
we're
already
paying
deputy
mayor
extras.
So
we've
already
started
the
horse
down
that
lane.
But
let's
compare
that
so
deputy
mayor.
U
If
you
do
it's
two
months
at
a
time
250
bucks
a
month,
that's
500
bucks,
probably
no,
no
more
than
once
a
year
because
you
don't
tend
to
do
it
more
than
once
a
year.
I
know
that
I've
done
it
six
times
in
six
years,
so
that's
probably
about
how
often
it
comes
along.
So
that's
500
extra
dollars
for
that
for
that
year,
if
you're
on
planning
committee,
on
the
other
hand,
you
get
four
percent
of
a
45
000
salary,
that's
1800
bucks
right!
U
So
that's
more
than
seven
times
the
monthly
amount
or
three
and
a
half
times
the
total.
If
you
do
it
for
two
months
of
being
deputy
mayor,
so
it's
quite
a
bit
more
money
than
being
deputy
mayor.
That's
where
you
start
getting
into
this
inequality
thing.
If
it
was
just
a
small
like
the
deputy
mayor
thing,
is
it's
not
the
money
that
makes
you
do
it?
It's
not
enough
money
to
motivate
you
that
way
with
planning.
I
I
don't.
I
think
it
might
be.
U
So
that's
where
you
start
getting
into
well
how
much
work
is
planning
the
committee
and
what
about
the
other
committees,
heritage
committee,
arts,
advisory,
you
know
you
go
along.
Nominations
can
be
hours
and
hours
right.
So
then
we
haven't
quantified
those
other
committees
and
we're
just
asking
for
problems,
because
people
are
going
to
say
well.
Okay,
fine
planning
committee
is
great
because
now
I
get
paid
for
it,
but
nominations
I'm
not
getting
paid
in
action.
So
I'm
not
going
to
do
nominations
anymore.
I
can
see
that
happening.
U
We've
had
problems
filling
committee
appointments
in
the
past,
as
this
worship
has
said.
So
I
really
think
I
think
what
we
ought
to
do
with
this
is
quantify
the
workload
before
we
prove
an
increase
and
if
it's
going
to
be
equitable,
based
on
all
the
committees
that
you're
on,
because
some
people
are
on
five,
six,
seven
committees
and
some
people
are
on
two
right-
that's
also
not
equitable,
so
I
I
don't
think
it
it's
very
wise
to
just
add
it.
U
Despite
the
fact
that
I
agree
with
the
counselor
neil
said
about
planning
committee,
it
is
the
one
that
stands
out
as
the
heaviest
workload
consistently,
because
it's
twice
a
month.
I
think
it
probably
is
at
the
top.
If
we
quantify
it,
but
we
haven't
done
so
yet
so
we
need
to
quantify
it.
We
need
to
count
it
up.
U
I
don't
know
how
we
do
that,
because
this
committee,
that
reported
here
did
not
have
the
time
to
count
up
all
the
committee
work,
but
maybe
we
can
find
a
way
to
do
that
through
staff
and
and
and
come
back
to
this
question
in
the
future,
with
compensation
for
committee
work
as
a
general
recommendation
rather
than
just
throwing
all
of
it
at
the
panning
committee
members.
I
I
think
I
think
it
does
create
an
imbalance,
and
so
I
think
I
will
agree
with
councillors
hutchinson
and
on
that
one
on
the
full-time
part-time
one.
U
D
D
But
four
of
those
members
on
planning
attend
the
majority
of
the
meetings
and
do
the
majority
of
the
work,
but
still
get
this
paid
the
same
as
the
other
two
members
who
maybe
don't
make
as
many
meetings.
So
I
mean
in
my
eighth
year
on
council.
I
know
that,
based
on
personal
circumstances
and
everything
there's
been
some
years
where
I
don't
even
know,
I
think
the
most
committees
I
was
on
at
one
point
was
11,
which
was
just
unsustainable
and
then
there's
been
other
years
where
I've
been
on
fewer.
D
So
I
think
the
workload
does
vary
based
on
everybody's
personal
situation.
What
you're
able
to
do,
but
you
know
we
could
be
setting
ourselves
up
to
a
point
where
three
members
on
planning
feel
that
they
made
the
most
meetings
and
the
other
three
made.
Maybe
half
but
everybody
got
paid
the
same
amount
for
being
simply
just
a
member
of
that
committee.
I
don't.
D
I
don't
think
we
really
want
to
go
down
that
road.
The
councilor
stroud's
point
you
know,
there's
been,
I
don't
know
how
we
quantify
it
or
make
it
fair.
I
I
guess
in
a
sense
I
probably
would
have
preferred
maybe
an
additional
increase
for
all
members
of
council,
seeing
as
we
typically
rotate
through
the
committee
committees
over
our
full
term
of
four
years.
D
I
do
understand.
Planning
can
be
quite
heavy.
I
know
at
other
times
admin
policies.
We've
had
one
thing
that
took
you,
know
multiple
years
to
go
through
and
was
and
was
a
ton
of
different
work,
and
we
were
constantly
so
it's
it.
It
does
vary,
I'm
not
sure
that
just
picking
one
committee
out
of
the
standing
committees
and
then
and
then
some
of
the
other
committees-
I
don't
know
how
you
would
do
that
and
apply
it
fairly
without
doing
some
real
big
data
crunching.
D
D
D
I
mean
how
many
counselors
have
we
lost
over
the
years,
not
because
of
an
unwillingness
to
do
the
role
that
had
already
gained
four
or
five
years
experience
doing
it,
but
simply
because
they
couldn't
manage
it
with
their
other
position
to
afford
having
a
family
and
living
their
own
life.
So
I
mean,
I
think,
that
those
are
things
that
need
to
be
weighed
in
this
decision
kingston.
D
If
you're
going
to
pay
more
for
people
to
be
beyond
planning,
I
mean
we
need
to
look
at
other
things
like
engagement
of
counselors.
I
can
tell
you
that
I
spend
you
know,
I'm
sure
most
other
people
do
tons
of
my
time,
evenings
and
weekends,
just
replying
to
customers
or
residents
or
people.
Looking
for
simple
things
from
the
city
and
then
other
things
simply
as
oh,
you
know
I'm
sure
a
lot
of
people
have
heard
over
the
last
week.
Do
you
vote
on
your
own
raise?
D
D
D
I
I
don't
feel
that
I
can
support
the
four
percent
extra
for
planning
and
we
need
to
be
cognizant
of
the
fact
that
once
we
start
doing
that
for
one
committee
and-
and
you
know
what,
if
I
put
in
20
extra
hours
a
week
just
to
talk
with
my
constituency-
is
that
worthy
of
more
so
I
I
think
it's
we
have
to
be
careful
and
any
increase
needs
to
be
balanced
across
the
the
full
of
counsel.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you,
mayor
patterson,
so
I
I'm
speaking
mostly
to
the
third
paragraph
as
well
with
regards
to
the
committee
remuneration,
and
I
started
out
thinking
that
I
would
be
in
support
of
this
and
recognize
having
only
been
on
planning
for
one
year
in
particular,
because
it
was
not
sustainable.
Given
that
I
had
to
work
a
few
other
jobs,
it
just
wasn't
a
committee
I
could
commit
to
so
at
first.
I
thought
that
I
would
be
supporting
that
increase
and-
and
I'm
still
interested
in
that
and
recognize
the
need
for
that.
G
G
But
I
think
we
have
to
recognize
that
it
sort
of
that
to
counselor
osanic's
point
when
there
is
a
committee
that
counselors
recognize
take
up
that
much
time
and
then
they
have
to
try
to
balance
by
not
taking
on
other
committees.
What
ends
up
happening
is
that
we
have
other
counselors
taking
on
more
committees,
because
that,
because
the
counselor
made
that
adjustment,
so
I'm
now
actually
more
interested
in
something
like
another.
G
I
guess
the
question
really
is:
did
the
and
I
don't
know
if
we
can
ask
this
to
the
committee,
but
it
did
or
to
the
to
or
to
staff,
but
other
models
exist
where
there's
a
sort
of
base
salary,
and
then
each
committee
has
a
certain
remuneration
attached
to
it.
I
believe
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
school
board
here
locally,
that
does
it,
but
were
other
models
like
that.
A
part
of
the
report
or
the
research.
S
The
information
came
through
with
respect
to
surveys,
as
well
as
input
that
was
provided
from
the
community
at
large
and
one
way
to
recognize
the
additional
work
that
came
out
of
the
discussions
with
the
committee
was
to
provide
some
nominal
amount
of
monies
for
those
that
serve
on
the
planning
committee.
It
wasn't
a
scientific
research
to
get
that
point.
S
Mr
mr
smear
staff
are
always
willing
to
provide
additional
information
to
council
to
make
informed
decisions.
This
is
a
recommendation
from
the
community
to
this
council,
so
it
needs
to
be
dealt
with
one
way
or
the
other.
We
are
always
like.
I
said
willing
to
provide
any
known
information
in
the
future.
G
G
It
has
a
full
complement,
but
I,
but
I
really
also
would
like
to
see
more
information
on
how
we
could
start
to
have
a
different
model
of
remuneration
in
the
future.
Maybe
that
addressed
some
of
the
committee
concerns
that
others
have
mentioned.
So
I
think
I'm
voting
in
favor
of
it
overall.
Thank
you
to
the
committee
and,
like
the
rest
of
the
recommendations.
F
Sorry,
mary
patterson,
thank
you
yeah.
I
do
want
to
thank
the
committee
as
well
laura
and
your
team,
everyone
there.
I
don't
have
all
the
names
here,
but
I'm
really
impressed
and
really
grateful
for
all
the
hard
work,
and
I
do
enjoyed
the
interview
very
much
and
I
can
really
hear
us
all
speak.
I
mean
we
could
all
write
a
book.
F
I
could,
after
these
these
years
on
council
and
the
incredible
amount
of
work,
and
when
I
break
show
respect
that
I
have
for
all
of
my
colleagues,
because
it
is
a
lot
of
work.
So,
but
it's
you
know,
the
reward
is,
though,
is
the
work
and
the
people,
and
but
I
am
I.
I
think
that
a
lot
of
this
recommendations
are
are
good
and
I
really
appreciated
counselor
hutchinson's
thoughts
on.
I
did
not
know.
F
I
think,
but
so
I
think
it's
important
that
we
balance
the
work
like
we
said
that
it
doesn't
become
full-time
in
a
sense
and
so
part-time
is
something
I
would
think
that
would
be
better
for
the
people
of
kingston
and
allowing
others
to
consider
it
so
the
extra
remuneration.
I
really
appreciate
counselor
holland's.
I
think
I
think
it
needs
to
be
reviewed
a
bit
more.
I
do.
I
do
empathize
and
sympathize
with
the
planning
committee,
so
I
I
could
support
it
and
then
look
at
the
others,
but
I
know
it's
true.
F
B
B
B
M
B
A
B
Eight,
so
that
also
loses.
If
you
voted
in
favor,
can
you
just
put
your
hands
up
again
if
you're
in
favor,
just
a
minority,
so
counselor
kylie,
councillor
hill,
councillor,
chappelle,
councillor
boehm
and
myself
opposed
that?
It's
just
I'm
just
trying
to
let
people
know
who
was
in
the
minority?
That's
all
we
don't
have
the
recorded
voting
system
back
so,
okay,
next
we're
going
to
vote
on
the
second
part
of
the
first
clause,
only
which
says,
with
annual
consumer
price
index
adjustments,
starting
as
of
january
1st
2023,
all
those
in
favor
opposed.
B
B
B
B
R
B
B
T
B
T
B
Okay,
you
can
what
you
can
withdrive
if
you
don't
want
to
it's?
Okay,
all
right.
So
what
we
have
then
is
for
clause.
One
we'll
have
counselor
neil
appointed
to
the
operating
grants,
jury
and
counselor
stroud
appointed
to
the
project;
grant's
jury.
Okay,
so
we
will
call
the
vote
on
clause,
one
all
those
in
favor
post
and
that's
carried.
B
B
B
O
Yes,
I
went
back
in
your
worship,
I
went
back
and
I
reread
the
report
on
this
250
000
for
a
period
of
eight
years
and
I'm
still
not
satisfied
on
how
we
selected
the
service
partner
to
help
with
recruitment.
So
I'll
have
to
be
consistent
with
my
previous
voting
record
of
voting
against
that
sole
source
approach
to
having
a
service
partner
so
I'll
be
voting
against
this.
B
B
Okay,
our
first
clause
use
of
optical
scan,
vote,
tabulators
and
alternative
voting
methods
for
the
purpose
of
the
2022
municipal
election
and
2022
election
plan.
Enhancements
and
considerations
we'll
call
the
vote
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
carried
clause.
2
third
crossing
naming
recommendation.
H
B
V
W
D
Thank
your
worship
through
you
just
just
so
it's
on
the
record,
I'm
wondering
if
staff
would
be
able
to
comment
on
the
actual
meaning
of
the
name,
because
I
know
it
has
multiple
meanings
depending
on
which
indigenous
languages
is
reflected
in
it
and
if
staff
could
provide
some
clarity
on
that.
I
think
it
would
inform
the
public
on
why
this
is
such
a
great
name
for
the
crossing.
V
Thank
you
and
through
you,
and
thank
you
for
the
question.
So
the
name
has
a
couple
of
different
meanings
as
you've
noted
that
the
name
was
brought
forward
in
anishinaabemowin
ojibwe
and
the
name
tends
to
refer
to
the
eastern
direction
and
particularly
to
the
morning
light.
But
more
so.
The
name
was
also
selected
by
community
because
it
really
does
represent
and
recognize
the
transition
of
night
to
day.
V
It
was
most
beautifully
sort
of
explained
to
me
as
this
moment,
where
anything
is
possible
as
night
sort
of
slips
into
a
new
morning
and
the
opportunities
that
are
provided
in
that
moment
of
transition,
so
sort
of
an
easterly
direction
towards
the
the
morning
sun.
But
really
calling
to
that
moment
where,
where
day
and
night
sort
of
intersect
and
and
both
exist,.
D
Thank
you
for
that
comment,
yeah,
the
the
fact
that
it
it
brings
new
hope
and
a
new
dawn
and
the
sun.
You
know
rises
in
the
east
and
everything
is
is
not
lost
on
the
fact
that
this
bridge
will
unify
an
entire
city
and
hopefully
be
a
symbol
of
hope
for
all
the
things
we
can
accomplish
together
moving
forward,
so
I'm
excited
for
the
new
bridge
to
open
and
the
new
name
as
well.
Thank
you.
T
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
totally
support
this
naming
and
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that
went
into
it,
but
I
keep
thinking
this
is
kingston
and
we
still
have
the
traffic
circle
and
we
still
have
market
square,
and
this
probably
will
be
for
a
lot
of
people
always
be
called
the
third
crossing.
But
I
think
it's
it.
It's
incumbent
upon
us
to
try
to
embrace
the
new
name
and
make
that
the
new
name
for
the
fourth
I
was
about
to
do
it
for
the
third
crossing.
Thank
you.
B
B
O
U
I
think,
oh,
I
need
to
ask
a
couple
questions
from
staff
about,
first
of
all,
the
very
modest
seeming
cost
for
the
managed
forest
on
on
the
rural
municipal
lands.
So
maybe,
if
a
member
staff
could
tell
us
about
the
car
a
little
bit
more
about
the
cost,
but
specifically
maybe
that,
if
possible,
the
total
cost
and
then
what
cost
recovery
we've
already
identified.
X
But
they
also
said
that
they
do
have
very
good
access
to
funding
programs
like
the
2
billion
trees
and
the
50
million
trees,
programs
and
private
sponsorships.
And
what
we're
hearing
is
some
fairly
optimistic
and
confident
estimates
from
these
potential
partners
that
we
could
be
down
into
the
10
20
30
cents
per
seedling
range
for
these
for
these
large
plantings.
So
that's
you
know:
30
40,
50
000
worth
of
work
to
accomplish
what
we
would
like
to
do
on
the
three
potential
properties.
U
X
It's
it
would
be
different
for
different
partners
that
that
might
participate
in
these,
but,
generally
speaking,
the
partners
provide
the
contractor
labor
as
part
of
that
cost,
so
the
the
partners,
whether
they
be
crca
or
ontario,
woodlot
association
or
trees.
Canada
they're
all
well
versed
in
accessing
grant
funding
from
the
from
the
larger
funding
programs
and
also
well-versed
in
in
acquiring
qualified
contractors
to
do
the
work.
X
U
U
I
I
don't
think
I
need
to
ask
this
question.
I
think
we
all
know
the
tree
replacement
reserve
fund
is
funded
from
monies
collected
from
developers
when
trees
are
removed
right,
so
they
have
to
pay
a
fee
to
remove
trees.
It's
collected
in
this
fund,
and
it
was
always
my
understanding
that
that
money
would
pay
for
replacement
trees.
Now,
for
those
replacement
trees
to
be
of
any
value
to
the
neighborhoods
where
they
were
removed
for
development,
you
would
need
it
would
need
to
be
on
the
boulevard
of
these
residential
neighborhoods.
U
The
way
that
we
plant
trees
in
the
city-
and
you
know
on
the
boulevards
today,
which,
as
we
know,
is
not
10
20,
30
cents,
a
tree
or
even
a
dollar,
to
three
dollars
a
tree,
it's
more
like
100
to
300
per
tree
for
those
bigger
trees,
those
street
trees.
So
we're
talking
about
the
10
to
15
foot
tall
trees
that
come
on
the
back
of
a
truck
with
the
root
bag
right
and
the
public
works,
put
them
in
the
giant
holes
on
the
boulevard
right
and
you
it's
like
an
instant
tree.
U
U
However,
it's
much
more
expensive,
so
the
tree
reserve
fund
that
recommend
the
money
collected
from
the
developers.
If
we
use
that
money
for
something
else,
such
as
this
woodlot
planting,
there's
less
going
into
street
plantings,
it
isn't
doesn't
sound
like
it's
a
huge
amount
of
money,
and
maybe
it
may
be
somewhat
moot
where
it
comes
from.
U
But
I
really
think
on
principle
that
the
money
we
collect
for
replacement
trees
should
stay
in
the
boulevard
planting
program,
which
is
not
what
we're
talking
about
tonight.
So
I've
got
an
amendment
to
that
effect.
I've
already
sent
it
to
the
clerk.
I
don't
know
if
I'm
ready
to
put
up
on
the
screen,
but
basically
ask
that
it
come
out
of
the
working
fund
reserve
instead.
B
Okay,
so
so
I'll
just
pause
pause
your
time,
council
trout.
So
we
have
a
motion.
Two
men
moved
by
councillors:
drought
seconded
by
council
leadership
hill,
the
report
32
clause,
four
from
the
cio,
be
amended
in
the
second
paragraph
by
adding
thereto,
as
amended,
to
fund
the
initiative
from
the
working
fund
reserve,
rather
than
the
tree
replacement
reserve
fund
and
further
amended
by
adding
the
following
paragraph.
B
I
U
Money
we're
talking
about
maybe
twenty
five,
maybe
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
this
woodlot.
This
managed
woodlot
on
land
we
already
own
is
is-
is
would
only
pay
for
a
few
dozen
trees
in
the
other
program
right.
So
it's
not
a
lot
of
money
either
way,
but
on
principle,
we
really,
I'm
just
afraid
it's
going
to
start
a
precedent
where
we
look
to
the
tree
reserve
fund
for
other
climate
change
initiatives.
U
This
is
the
climate
change
initiative,
that's
important
and
it's
cheap
and
we
ought
to
do
it,
but
we
don't
have
to
pay
for
it
out
of
the
tree
replacement
fund.
That's
that's
what
the
point
of
the
amendment
is
so
maybe
before
we
we
vote,
though,
we'll
go
to
staff
just
to
clarify
what
what
kind
of
cost
range
are
we
talking
about
as
a
cost
to
the
working
reserve.
X
U
And
okay,
so
that's
it
it's
on
principle,
not
more
than
the
amount
it
won't
bankrupt
the
fund
either
way.
But
it's
it's
it's
a
climate
initiative
that
we
need
to
do,
but
I
think
we
need
to
keep
it
separate
from
the
tree
replacement,
because
that
is
the
beauty
of
the
neighborhoods,
that
is,
the
health
of
street
trees,
that
health
benefits
of
street
trees,
like
we
all,
have
heard
from
miss
hostin
and
miss
ferrar.
The
benefits
of
trees
and
neighborhoods.
There's
a
tree
deficit
in.
X
U
So
until
we
do
that,
we
ought
to
be
maybe
increasing
the
speed
in
which
we
plant
replacement
trees
on
the
boulevard
using
the
tree
replacement
fund.
This
is
separate
from
tonight's
recommendation
and
fund
this
important
climate
change
initiative
from
a
separate
stream.
Again,
this
is
important.
Climate
action
work,
a
managed
tree
lot
on
on
land.
We
already
own,
is
extremely
cost
effective
way
to
sequester
carbon.
U
I'm
I'm
fully
in
support
of
the
original
recommendation.
It's
just.
Where
does
the
money
come
from?
It's
very.
I
think
it's
very
it's
unfair
to
the
neighborhoods
that
need
trees
that
are
in
a
tree
deficit
to
take
that
money
away
from
the
fund
that
is
meant
for
them
and
then
collected
on
behalf
of
those
neighborhoods.
Thank
you.
B
T
T
The
the
issue
that
I
have
I
share
with
with
councillor
stroud
is
that
the
tree
fund
is
created
by
neighborhoods
that
have
lost
trees
because
of
development
and
the
money
the
developers
paid
to
to
chop
down
and
clear
cut.
Some
treed
laws
is
in
this
fund,
and
it
has
always
been
my
understanding
when
this
has
come
up
at
planning,
is
that
the
this
fund
is
to
help
replace
in
that
specific
neighborhood
those
trees
that
were
cut
and
councillors.
Travis
is
absolutely
right.
T
Fifty
thousand
dollars
isn't
an
enormous
amount
of
money,
but
the
reality
is
that
that
money
was
raised
with
an
expectation
from
the
neighborhoods
where
there
was
clear,
cutting
or
massive
tree
removal,
so
to
borrow
that
money
for
a
project
well
away
from
that
neighborhood,
I
think,
is
awkward
to
say
the
least.
So
I
think
this
is
a
really
really
good
amendment
and
I
totally
support
it
and
the,
and
we
might
may
want
to
ask
the
city
treasurer,
but
we
have
a
substantial
amount
of
money
in
our
working
reserve
fund.
A
H
H
Y
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
marin,
for
you
so
counselor
hudson.
I
believe
the
the
staff
recommendation
is
to
use
the
the
tree
replacement
reserve
fund
to
do
that.
The
amendment
on
the
floor,
I
believe,
advises
staff
to
use
the
working
fund
reserve.
So
if
that
is
passed,
then
staff
would
use
a
working
fund
reserve
to
set
up
this
set
up.
Y
The
managed
force
bring
back
the
information
to
eitp
source,
the
additional
funds
and
subsidies
that
mr
makashi
to
talk
about,
and
there
is
a
projected
some
small
scale
operating
costs
in
the
future
to
manage
the
forest
and
those
will
be
built
into
into
future
budgets.
But
the
major
cost
would
be
what
what
is
up
front,
which
mr
clash
he
said
would
be
between
40
and
60
thousand
dollars
estimated
and
that
would
be
funded
from
the
working
fund
reserve.
Should
the
should
the
proposed
amendment
be
passed.
Z
B
R
Thank
you,
mayor,
patterson
and
through
you.
I
wanted
to
briefly
reference
a
paragraph
that
I
thought
was
rather
consequential
from
the
report
and
asked
staff.
Perhaps
mr
mcclatchy,
to
comment
on
it,
and
it
says
this
I'm
just
going
to
read
it
very
quickly
when
sequestered
carbon
is
converted
to
its
equivalent
and
atmospheric
carbon
dioxide.
R
X
R
X
X
Of
course,
if
you
wanted
to
find
out
the
the
carbon
impact
from
a
specific
forest
on
a
specific
property,
then
you
could
certainly
dig
deeper
and
look
into
different
types
of
species
and
age
and
health
and
so
forth
and
come
up
with
a
more
accurate
number,
and
I
think
also
that
you
know
in
terms
of
going
forward.
I
believe
the
climate
leadership
division
is
is
bringing
forward
a
climate
lens
tool
that
we
can
apply
to
planning
decisions
and
so
forth.
That
will
provide
additional
information
on
this
subject.
R
B
W
The
first
delegation
spoke
to
the
need
of
having
a
community
based
governance
model
because
she
stressed
that
it's
important
that
stakeholders,
including
staff
managers,
clients,
as
well
as
neighbors,
have
opportunities
to
improve
the
model
that
has
been
developed
to
date
and
find
solutions
to
some
of
the
challenges
that
we
read
in
in
the
report
and
and
that
we've
heard
from
neighbors
as
well.
So
keeping
all
of
that
in
mind.
I've
prepared
an
amendment
to
the
to
the
report
that
I've
already
submitted
to
the
clerk's
department.
B
Okay,
thank
you,
cass
authorities,
so
I'll
just
pause
your
time
there
so
in
a
motion
to
amend
mood
by
council
authorities.
Second
by
councillor
neal,
the
report
number
32
clause,
5
from
the
cio,
be
amended
by
adding
the
following
paragraph.
There
too,
the
city
staff
work
with
partner
agencies
to
implement
a
community
impact
or
community-based
governance
model
for
the
integrated
care
hubs.
Council
doherty
you've
already
spoken
a
little
bit
to
the
motivation
behind
it,
but
you
have
the
floor.
If
there's
anything
else,
you
want
to.
B
D
Hey
you
were
shipping
through
yeah.
I
think
this
is
a
is
a
great
idea.
Ultimately,
I
don't
think
anybody's
really
against
the
great
work
that's
done
there.
I
think
part
of
the
concern
is:
is
the
community
and
the
fact
that
there's
a
lot
of
members
right
now
that
that
have
some
ballet
concerns
and
are
experiencing?
You
know
different
levels
of
distress
and
different
experiences
there
and
they
feel
like
they?
D
Don't
really
have
a
voice
right
now
or
if
they
do
have
a
voice,
it's
not
necessarily
being
heard
as
loud
and
as
clear
as
they
would
like.
So
something
like
this,
I
feel,
can
actually
help
to
bring
forth
ideas
on
on
how
to
solve
some
of
the
issues
and
and
could
lead
to
brainstorming
on
on
better
ways
to
implement
programs
there
and
also
create
more
assistance
for
the
the
very
members
of
the
community
that
this
place
is
designed
to
ser
to
serve.
And
so
ultimately
I
don't
see
any
negatives
with
this
approach.
B
H
H
G
Z
Thank
you
and
through
mr
mayor,
so
deputy
mayor,
holland.
The
the
funding
that
is
identified
in
terms
of
the
city
contribution
would
be
focused
on
the
more
of
the
shelter
homeless
component
of
the
ich.
So
we've
talked
or
heard
a
lot
about
the
health
care
aspect
of
the
ich
b,
but
we
also
recognize
that
a
number
of
individuals
that
do
utilize
the
ich
are
homeless
and,
in
the
absence
of
the
ich
being
open,
24
hours
a
day
and
providing
that
shelter
component,
those
individuals
would
migrate
to
our
shelter
system
anyway.
Z
As
far
as
the
budget
moving
forward,
I
can
tell
you
that
the
budget
that
we
have
currently
is
is
we
based
ourselves
in
the
last
years
of
operations
to
identify
the
three
million
dollars.
Could
that
change
over
time?
I'm
I'm
sure
it
could
if
the
model
was
to
change,
but
I
think
that's
something
that
we
would
need
to
review
with
the
partners
and
also
with
the
ministry
of
health.
Z
Thank
you
and
through
mr
mayor,
so
we've
had
a
number
of
discussions
in
the
past,
I'm
going
to
say
a
year
or
two
years
at
council
in
terms
of
the
housing
needs
of
our
vulnerable
population.
We
know
that
individuals
may
have
struggle
struggles
to
move
from
shelter
environment
into
completely
independent
living.
Z
So
we've
been
talking
a
lot
to
council
about
transitional
supportive
housing
and
you'll
recall
that
council
did
approve
funding
for
one
third
13
lower
union,
which
has
now
been
opened
and
is
supporting
the
indigenous
community
in
terms
of
transitional
housing,
and
we
are
currently
working
on
making
units
available
at
805
ridley,
which
again
council
supported,
and
that
will
be
focused
primarily
on
women
and
women
with
children.
So
we're
really
trying
to
address
this
gap
in
the
community
for
transitional
supportive
housing,
which
is
really
the
next
step
that
individuals
will
need.
G
So
I'm
hoping
that
that's
what
we
see
because
of
course
I
think,
as
a
lot
of
people
have
noted
already,
the
ich
is
doing
a
really
amazing
job
on
this
on
the
very
acute
and
devastating
problem
of
drug
poisoning
and
supporting
vulnerable
people
in
the
community.
But
we
need
to
be
able
to
ensure
that
we
have
longer
term
options
to
provide
for
for
that
population
as
well.
Thank
you.
H
H
The
third
party
review
reflects
on
the
next
steps
directly.
That
is
partly
what
it
was
aimed
to
do
and
what
we've
heard
from
the
health
providers
and
as
in
the
report.
The
next
steps
report
is
that
the
provider
health
providers
will
be
devising
or
are
devising
right
now,
a
different,
a
different
operational
model.
So
we'll
have
to
wait
to
see
exactly
what
that
is,
but
hopefully
it
involves
improvements
for
all
parties.
H
I
O
Thank
you,
zero
worship.
When
this
comes
to
a
vote,
I
would
like
to
just
separate
the
first
clause
with
the
don't
with
the
contribution
from
the
province.
It's
substantial
and
I
really
have
viewed
that
announcement
as
an
opportunity
for
the
city
to
back
away
from
from
this
commitment,
because
it
will
become
an
ongoing
operational
expense,
and
I
think
that
I
would
prefer
to
see
a
rather
stable
structured
organization
that
has
greater
accountability
before
contributing
more
funds
from
the
municipality.
L
Thank
your
worship
with
what
councillor
chapelle
just
said.
I
just
have
a
question
then,
to
staff,
and
the
question
is:
it
was
my
understanding
that,
in
order
for
the
health
care
providers
that
are
now
going
to
be
running
the
integrated
care
hub
in
order
for
them
to
get
their
2.3
million
dollars
of
health
care
funding,
that
it
was
dependent
on
an
additional
contribution
of
from
the
city
which
we
picked
to
be
the
500
000.
So
is
that
true?
Thank.
J
Z
Thank
you,
and
through
you,
mr
mayor,
so
councillor
sanek,
to
respond
to
your
question.
All
of
the
conversations
that
we
had
with
the
ministry
of
health
were
clear
that
they
were
looking
for
not
just
the
city
but
the
community
to
be
providing
a
contribution
to
this
service
as
well.
They
they
never
intended
to
cover
the
entire
cost
of
operation
for
the
ich,
so
the
community
contribution
was
established
at
700,
000,
of
which
the
city
would
be
contributing,
500
and
united
way.
Two
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
year.
D
Thank
you
for
worshiping
through
you,
I
I
do.
I
do
share
some
of
the.
I
guess
thoughts
that
counselor
chapal
has
on
this,
such
as
it's
it's
great
to
see
that
level
of
funding
come
in,
but
but
where
does
it
go
in
the
future?
And
you
know,
is
this
one
time?
Are
we
going
to
get
additional
funding
or
something?
D
I
also
also
find
it
interesting
when
you
know
any
whether
other
level
of
government,
whether
provincial
or
federal,
asks
the
community
to
provide
funding
for
for
something
that
rightfully
falls
under
their
jurisdiction
simply
due
to
the
fact
that
communities
provide
all
funding
through
our
taxpayers
dollars.
So
I
mean
we're
whether
it's
a
municipal,
provincial
or
federal
work.
That's
it
is
the
community,
that's
always
providing
the
funding.
So
when
they
go
back
and
ask
for
more,
I
just
I
sometimes
struggle
with
that.
So
I
do.
I
do
share
counselor
chappelle's
concerns.
D
D
I
mean
ultimately,
once
we
create
this
resource
within
the
community,
which
is
already
there
if
the
province
just
walks
away
and
doesn't
give
any
more
money,
there
will
be
an
expectation
from
the
community
that
the
city
continues
this,
so
I
mean
we
are
putting
ourselves.
The
precedent
has
been
set,
it
now
comes
down
to
to
how
it
gets
funded
and
where
that
comes
from.
D
So
I
guess
my
next
question
would
be
what
commitments
do
we
have
from
other
levels
of
government
going
forward
that
they're
going
to
continue
to
provide
some
level
of
funding
so
that
this
doesn't
just
become
just
one
more
thing
that
in
in
the
end
after
you
know,
here's
a
you
know
a
couple
extra
million
here,
a
couple
extra
million
there.
Maybe
you
know
a
couple
nice
announcements,
but
but
in
the
end,
is
six
or
seven
years
from
now.
Is
this
just
going
to
fall
on
the
city?
B
We'll
all
start
and
say
hurdle
may
want
to
add
something
but
counselor
boehm.
The
commitment
from
the
province
was
for
a
pilot,
so
a
two-year
pilot
to
to
continue
the
operations
and
to
see
from
there.
So
unless
your
hurdle
has
any
other
additional
info
and
it's
it
really
is
unknown
after
those
after
that
two
year
period,.
D
I
guess
just
a
quick
follow-up,
I
guess
they're
in,
for
I
mean
me
myself
and
maybe
some
others
lies.
The
rub
is
that
when
we
do
this
pilot,
we
are
the
precedent
setting
which
could
be
great,
but
at
the
same
time
has
there
been
any
conversations
or
indication
from
them
that
of
what
they
would
consider
successful
to
continue
funding
this
pilot
after
those
two
years.
Z
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
mayor,
so
councillor
baum,
that's
a
very
good
question
and
there
is
no
doubt
that
the
ministry
of
health
will
establish
some
measurables
and
deliverables
as
part
of
this
funding.
We
haven't
seen
those
yet
because
the
announcement
just
just
came
out
and
we
were
able
to
bring
this
report
to
council
in
time
before
the
closure
of
the
ich,
but
I
anticipate
that
we
will
see
those
measurables
which
they
will
be
provided
to
the
health
care
agencies
that
will
be
receiving
the
funding.
B
B
H
The
report
indicates
that
it's
doing
good
work
and
so
that
that
is
not
a
matter
of
controversy.
I
don't
think
the
the
question
was.
It
comes
with
the
second
part
of
that
motion,
which
was
to
look
at
the
collateral
impacts
on
the
surrounding
neighborhood
in
other
in
the
area
around
that
and
what
was
happening
and
the
effect
on
on
services
and
so
on.
So
it's
the
one
thing
that
it
comes
out
and
says
that
is
very
clear.
H
H
The
the
author
of
the
the
dr
moulton
makes
that
very
clear
that
it's
not
nimbyism
these
are
about
actual
effects
and
that
are
actually
going
on
and
that
their
concerns
are
legitimate.
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
publicly
clear,
because
possibly
not
everybody's
had
a
chance
to
read
the.
I
think
it's
a
30
page
report,
so
I
just
and
at
the
same
time
it
praises
the
ich
that
mirrors.
As
far
as
I'm
concerned,
much
of
what
I've
said
before
I
support
the
functions
in
the
ich.
It's
not
necessarily
location.
H
They
came
up
with
a
number
of
positive
and
constructive
suggestions
about
how
the
ich
could
run
better.
They
said
for
a
long
time
that
it
was
too
small
that
it
was
being
asked
to
do
too
much
in
one
place,
and
that
comes
out
in
a
report
too.
It's
very
difficult
what
they're
trying
to
achieve
there-
and
I
don't
you-
may
I
remain
kind
of
a
little
dubious
about
whether
some
of
the
functions
should
be
in
that
specific
place,
that
it
concentrates
people
with
clients
together
that
have
different
interests
and
different
needs.
H
H
So
what
I
would
like
to
know
is
there
are
a
number
of
recommendations,
as
starters
and
staff
staff,
I
just
want
to
say,
staff
has
done
some
mailman
work
in
in
consultation
with
the
residents
and
myself
over
the
last
two
years.
Okay,
let's
be
clear
about
that
and,
for
instance,
the
safety
safety
fences
that
went
on
behind
the
houses
on
both
montreal
and
reader
street
to
try
and
stop
trespassing
and
theft
and
so
on,
and
that
that
was
done
and
that
was
initiated
by
senior
staff.
H
Z
Thank
you
and
through
mr
mayor,
so
councillor
rochester.
The
answer
is
yes,
we
will
be
following
up
on
that.
We
did
obviously
just
recently
received
the
final
report
and
we've
just
shared
it
as
well
with
our
community
partners.
We
will
need,
obviously
our
community
partners
to
join
us
and
work
on
these
recommendations
with
us,
because
they
are
going
to
be
frontline
service
providers
with
a
number
of
these
recommendations.
But,
yes,
we
can
definitely
follow
up
and
we
could
provide
an
update
to
council
on
a
quarterly
basis.
B
J
Z
Thank
you
and
for
you,
mr
mayor,
I
believe
that
the
amendment
was
brought
by
councillor,
dorothy
and
and
endorsed
by
council.
So,
yes,
it
is
a
direction
city
staff
and
we
will
be
following
up
with
the
partners
again.
We
will
need
the
collaboration
of
our
partners
to
implement
this,
because
we
can't
obviously
have
this
model
if
the
city
is
working
alone
on
this,
but
I
am
confident
based
on
the
feedback
we've
received
from
our
community
partners,
that
we
will
be
able
to
move
this
forward.
Z
H
H
B
B
B
If
not,
then
we
will
vote
on
them
as
a
whole
clause.
One
approval
of
application
for
zoning
by
law,
amendment
600
princess
street
and
465
albert
street
clause;
2
approval
of
application
for
zoning
by
law,
amendment
1400
bath
road
and
527;
centennial
drive
clause,
3
approval
of
application
for
zoning
by
law,
amendment
595
baggage,
street
and
38
charles
street.
B
J
O
B
Okay?
So
first
I'm
going
to
call
the
vote
then,
on
clause
1
and
3
of
the
reports,
so
clause,
1,
use
of
corporate
resources
for
election
purposes,
policy
and
clause,
3
2022
tax
ratios
and
tax
capping
parameters,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
carried.
Okay.
So
now
clause,
2
board
committee,
nominations,
process
and
equity
diversity,
inclusion,
counselor,.
O
O
O
O
That
may
have
accounting
experience
or
someone
has
a
union
experience
for
good
interpersonal
relationship
skills
as
a
union
steward
or
or
something
along
that
line,
and
so
we
have
all
of
these
people
who
have
applied
year
after
year,
and
many
of
them
have
not
been
successful
being
selected
and
in
part,
that's
because
of
the
process.
That's
currently
underway
in
in
people
selecting
their
first
second
and
third
choice
and
it
creates
an.
M
I
O
I
O
Certainly,
I
may
not
have
experience
with
to
encourage
that
diversity
onto
our
committee,
but
we
I
I
think
it's
really
unfortunate-
that
the
administrative
policies
committee
has
not
had
sorry.
The
the
nominations
committee
has
not
had
an
opportunity
to
discuss
this
in
a
robust
way
and
as
far
as
time,
the
reason
why
I
put
q3
is
because
this
meet
this
committee
will
likely
not
meet
unless
it
needed
to
until
november.
O
So
we
have
plenty
of
time
for
us
to
have
multiple
meetings
in
between
to
address
this
concern
and
and
improve
upon
the
excellent
work
that
the
clerk
has
brought
forward.
I
mean
the
research
the
clerk's
office
has
done
on.
This
is
outstanding
and
I
would
just
like
to
have
a
more
robust
conversation.
That's
that's
really
the
premise
behind
this
deferral:
okay,.
B
So
so
we
have
a
motion
to
defer,
moved
by
council
chappelle
seconded
by
councillor
stroud.
The
first
and
second
paragraphs
report,
34
clause
2
received
from
the
administrative
policies
committee
be
deferred,
so
staff
can
reach
out
to
prior
unsuccessful
applicants
to
various
city
committees
and
boards
and
consult
with
the
nominations
advisory
committee
regarding
potential
changes
to
the
nomination
process
before
reporting
back
to
council
in
q3
2022.
B
B
G
Okay,
great
okay,
just
be
one
one
more
second,
okay,
good
good.
Okay,
so
I
do
want
to
speak
to
time
still
on
the
deferral
in
that.
I
think
it
is
okay
for
the
most
part,
given
that
the
edi
committee
is
currently
doing
the
work
of
using
the
the
equity
lens
that
is
sort
of
part
of
what
is
in
this
proposal
so
and
they're
doing
they're
doing
great
work.
So
I
can
support
the
amendment
or
the
deferral.
Q
B
So
I'm
so
I'm
gonna
jump
in
on
here,
because
it's
the
wording,
that's
important,
so,
regardless
of
what
counselor
chappelle
want
it
all
I'll,
just
the
interpretation
that
I
see
is
is
not
to
reach
out
to
all,
but
to
reach
out
to
to
some
is
that
was
that
your
orientation
intention
counselors
right.
So
I
don't
think
the
motion
necessarily
direct
staff
that
they
have
to
reach
out
to
everybody.
U
Yeah
just
a
time
so
so
I
think
it's
important
that
we
acknowledge
that
the
nominations
committee
doesn't
have
any
work
in
front
of
it
before
the
time
suggested
in
this
referral.
In
other
words,
we
have
the
time
to
to
gather
more
information,
as
the
deferral
suggests
and
we
have
before
we
need
the
nominations
for
you
to
make
new
suggestions,
which
won't
be
probably
until
december
of
this
year
when
the
new
term
starts
and
the
new
committees
have
to
be
populated.
U
R
O
In
review
of
the
last
three
years
of
candidates
that
applied
the
vast
majority
of
people,
who've
applied,
are
repeat,
applicants,
and
so
those
would
be,
I
would
say,
the
priority
would
just
simply
be
this
most
recent
year.
I
think
it
would
be
a
good
catch
sample
of
those
applicants
who
would
have
expressed
interest
already
vested
in
committing
an
opportunity
for
participating
in
an
opportunity
to
serve
the
community,
and
they
would
have
the
best
value
as
to
what
barriers
they
may
have
to
overcome
in
order
to
be
part
of
the
city
committees.
R
A
O
B
O
Well,
I
do
appreciate
the
question
from
you:
council
mclaren,
because
you
didn't
like
some
of
the
choices
and
created
quite
a
stir.
So
what
I
want
to
to
support
is
the
committee
having
an
opportunity
to
improve
and
reflect
on
how
we
have
greater
diversity
on
to
our
committees
to
our
to
our
so
successful
applicants?
O
You
know
at
this
moment
it's
it's,
it's
complicated,
it's
a
it's
a
cumbersome
process
and
I
think
there's
been
a
lot
of
work
done
by
staff
on
the
swot
analysis
and
I
think
we
didn't
have
an
opportunity
as
a
community
to
sit
and
look
at
how
to
address
these
concerns
so
by
reaching
out
to
those
who
didn't
or
were
not
successful
and
being
appointed,
we'll
also
be
able
to
solicit.
You
know
extra
input
on
what
would
help
them
become
successful.
So
that
is
that's
really
the
premise
behind
this.
B
B
B
T
B
T
C
Thank
you,
mayor
patterson,
and
for
you
to
counselor
neil,
yes,
that's
one
of
the
recommendations
is
that
housing
and
homelessness
will
report
directly
to
council
rather
than
through
arts
recreation
community
policies.
But
we
can't
do
that
without
going
through
arch
recreation,
community
policies.
First.
B
B
We
have
nothing
from
committee
of
the
whole
information
reports.
Just
raise
your
hand
if
you
have
any
questions,
as
I
read
through
them
number
one
2021
statement
of
remuneration
and
expenses
paid
to
council
members
and
other
council
appointees
clause,
2
tender
and
contract
awards,
subject
to
the
established
criteria
for
delegation
of
authority
for
the
month
of
january
2022.
B
Okay,
we
have
no
information
reports
from
members
of
council
miscellaneous
business.
We
have
a
couple
of
motions:
first,
moved
by
councilor
mclaren
seconded
by
councillor
osanic,
that
notwithstanding
section
3.1.4
subsection
5
of
the
first
capital
place,
illumination
policy
council
approved
the
application
submitted
by
mara
quintero
world
federation
of
hemophilia
for
the
illumination
of
city
hall
and
spring
market
square.
B
On
april,
17
2022
for
world
hemophilia
day
number
two
moved
by
counselor
with
sanic
seconded
by
deputy
mayor
holland,
that,
as
requested
by
john
castening,
the
barbecue
committee
council
proclaimed
april
2nd
2022
as
sister
bedar
nature's
day
in
kingston
people
call
the
vote
all
those
in
favor
proposed
and
that's
carried
okay
new
motion
number
one
has
been
withdrawn,
so
we
have
no
other
new
motions.
Are
there
any
notices
of
motion?
B
C
Thank
you
before
I
start
reading
the
bylaws.
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
by
law,
eight
is
amended
based
on
the
decisions
made
with
respect
to
the
citizen
committee,
to
review
council
remuneration
and
the
defeat
of
the
recommendation
of
the
four
percent
base
salary
for
members
on
planning
committee.
That
was
part
of
the
bylaw
that
has
now
been
removed.