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City Council meeting from October 6, 2020. For full meeting agenda visit https://bit.ly/3jJpIXe
A
A
Okay.
Next,
we'll
move
to
the
approval
of
the
addeds.
We
have
several
motions
of
congratulations
and
condolence.
We
have
the
report
from
planning
committee
and
we
have
a
number
of
communications.
Can
I
have
a
mover
for
the
additives?
Please
move
by
counselor
neil
seconded
by
counselor
chappelle,
all
those
in
favor
proposed
and
that's
carried
okay
moving
on.
Do
we
have
any
disclosures
of
potential
pecuniary
interest
council.
C
Volume,
thank
you
for
your
worship
and
through
you,
I
ryan
bowman,
the
council
of
the
corporations
city
kingston,
to
clear
my
pecuniary
interest
in
the
matter
of
new
motion.
One
this
isn't
played
utilities
kingston.
It
may
be
perceived
that
I
have
a
conflict
with
this
item
insofar
as
it
relates
to
utilities
kingston.
Thank
you.
A
D
D
D
We
understand
support
the
city
council
in
moving
forward
with
the
approved
plan
of
developing
the
661
montpelle
street
site
in
connecticut
care
hub
to
provide
low
barrier
access
to
services
for
some
of
kingston's,
most
vulnerable
people
to
express
our
support
and
thanks
to
service
providers
who
have
lobby
fork,
faded
and
staffed
the
hub
and,
finally,
three
publicly
indicated
our
support
for
our
vulnerable
neighbors
who
need
these
services
and
who
are
bearing
the
brunt
of
our
city's
housing
crisis.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
This
petition
has
to
do
with
having
no
integrated
care
hub
at
661
montreal
street,
and
it
is
written
as
possible,
written
as
we.
The
undersigned
residents
of
city
kingston,
respectfully
petition
that
the
city
of
kingston
reconsider
moving
the
integrated
care
hub
to
to
661
montreal
street.
E
This
move
will
provide
a
negative
impact
for
homeowners,
renters
business
owners
and
will
dramatically
increase
safety
risks
in
this
area.
They
ask
that
they
indicate
that
this
will
impact.
The
public
use
of
the
kva
trail
will
impact
property
value
in
the
immediate
area,
with
room
values
and
peace
of
the
local
residents
animal,
including
businesses,
and
will
cause
an
unsafe
environment
to
the
safe
injection
site
located
at
this
location
and
signed
by
186.
A
A
Okay,
seeing
none
we'll
move
to
motions
of
congratulations
and
condolence
first
moved
by
councillor
kylie
seconded
by
mayor
patterson,
the
sincere
congratulations
of
kingston
city
council
be
extended
to
toronto-based
lawyer
enemy,
paul
on
her
recent
election.
As
leader
of
the
green
party
of
canada,
ms
paul
has
a
notable
career
in
international
affairs
working
with
the
european
union
and
international
criminal
court.
We
look
forward
to
working
with
her
to
advance
the
interests
of
our
community,
moved
by
mayor
patterson
seconded
by
deputy
mayor
osterhoff.
A
The
sincere
condolences
of
kingston
city
council
be
extended
to
the
family
and
friends
of
the
right.
Honorable
john
napier
turner,
former
prime
minister
of
canada,
who
passed
away
september
18th.
He
was
91.
Mr
turner
took
part
in
the
famed
kingston
conference
at
queen's
university
60
years
ago,
and
more
recently
showed
enthusiastic
support
for
the
city
when
he
was
here.
For
the
sir
john,
a
macdonald
bicentennial
celebrations.
A
He
was
a
distinguished
public
servant
and
will
be
missed
by
kingstonians
and
canadians
alike,
moved
by
councillor
neil
seconded
by
councillor,
holland,
that
the
sincere
condolences
of
kingston
city
council
be
shared
with
the
family
and
friends
of
jeff
who
passed
away
quietly
on
september.
21St
jeff
was
born
in
cincinnati,
ohio
in
1940
and
moved
to
canada
in
the
early
1970s
to
teach
at
york
university.
He
was
a
professor
at
oise
and
the
queen's
faculty
of
education
became
a
canadian
citizen
in
1983.
A
He
was
a
talented
folk
musician
busting
with
his
banjo
for
joe's
mill.
He
volunteered
at
blue
skies
horse
kingston,
kingston
peace
quest
and
was
an
organizer
at
kingston.
Pride
jeff
is
survived
by
his
brother,
steve
nephews,
joshua
and
tobin.
That
was
a
long
time
community
activist
and
will
be
sorely
missed,
moved
by
cancer
neal
seconded
by
cancer,
osanac
that
the
sincere
condolences
of
kingston
city
council
be
expressed
to
constable
dixon
and
the
kingston
police
department.
A
On
the
sad
passing
of
service
dog
zeus,
zeus
was
a
valued
member
of
the
force
born
in
sovlaki
in
souvlakia,
slovakia
in
2010
zeus
was
trained
as
a
tracker
and
a
substance.
Stiffing
dog,
numerous
arrests
were
made
thanks
to
the
many
talents
of
zeus.
The
flag
above
kingston
police
headquarters
is
now
at
half-mast
in
his
honor.
He
will
be
sorely
missed.
A
F
Thank
you,
mayor
patterson
through
you.
This
is
a
development
in
my
district
and
I've
had
a
number
of
questions
from
residents.
One
that
I
think
is
most
applicable
to
the
report
is
how
do
the
changes
in
the
length
of
the
accessible
parking
impact
people
using
accessible
parking
spots
so
when
we
shorten
it,
if
we
do
tonight,
is
that
still
within
provincial
guidelines?
That's
the
particular
question.
G
Thank
you
and
for
you,
mayor
patterson,
so
that's
correct,
counselor
kylie
the
city's
regulations
with
respect
to
accessible
parking,
as
it
stated
in
their
zoning
bylaw
they
actually
exceed
what
the
provincial
requirements
are.
So
the
amendment
that's
been
requested
would
just
bring
the
the
length
of
the
parking
spaces
in
line
with,
what's
already
permitted
by
aoda
standard
and
would
still
meet
all
the
provincial
regulations.
H
I
J
Thank
you
through
your
worship,
for
the
benefits
of
the
residents
who
are
watching
from
home.
Can
we
go
through
the
debt
per?
I
know
we
have
it
in
the
amendment
addendum.
I've
seen
it,
but
I'd
like
to
understand
the
56
million
932
56
million
dollars
that
were
taken
on
his
debt.
I'd
like
the
public
to
have
a
better
understanding.
So
it's
one
of
if
this
kennedy
can
go
through
which
projects
they
are
and
how
much
debt
will
be.
I
Through
you,
mr
mayor,
so
I'm
going
to
refer
actually
to
the
next
council
report
as
well,
which
is
the
application,
and
I
apologize.
We
don't
usually
have
both
on
the
same
agenda.
It
gets
a
bit
confusing
because
it's
two
different
processes,
but
so
I
think
counselor
what
you're
referring
to
is
just
sort
of
walking
through
the
balances
of
the
debt
and
how
this
report
and
these
recommendations
with
respect
to
issuing
the
debentures
and
the
other
report,
that's
coming
up
afterwards,
with
respect
to
the
application
affect
those
balances.
I
So
just
to
clarify
this
report
is
actually
what
I
call
permanentizing
the
debt.
So
this
is
locking
us
into
the
four
different
debentures
which
are
based
on
the
the
different
terms
and
locking
in
that
interest
rate
for
those
terms.
So
we
will
begin
within
six
months
of
the
issuance
of
these
debentures
to
start
paying
these
off
and
paying
down
the
principal.
I
The
other
report-
that's
on
council's
agenda
tonight-
is
actually
the
first
very
first
part
of
the
process
where
we
apply
to
infrastructure
ontario
for
debt,
and
we
start
to
use
that
in
terms
of
construction
advances
on
projects
that
are
in
process
now
and
and
within
probably
the
next
two
years,
we'll
be
back
in
front
of
council
permanentizing,
those
as
debentures
as
well.
So
so
to
answer
your
question
counselor,
with
respect
to
just
the
numbers
themselves,
we
have,
at
the
end
of
we
reported
that
we
had
total
debt
outstanding
of
345
million
dollars.
I
So
that's
debentures
that
have
been
issued
net
of
any
payments
that
we've
already
made
on
those
debentures
and
a
total
debt
outstanding
of
345
million.
We
had
another
190
million
dollars
which
council
has
previously
approved
for
debt
funding
for
various
projects,
but
we
haven't
yet
issued
those
as
debentures
yet
so
those
projects
are
either
in
process
or
they
haven't
even
been
started
yet,
and
in
that
regard,
we
are
just
drawing
advances
on
some
of
those,
but
we
would
have
yet
to
actually
permanentize
them.
I
If
we
permanentized
everything
today,
we
would
have
had
a
total
of
535
million
dollars,
so
that's
all
approved
at
by
council
either
issued
or
not
yet
issued.
The
council
report
that's
in
front
of
us
now.
Report
20-211
is
permanentizing
about
53
million
dollars
of
debt,
so
that
comes
off
of
my
approved,
but
not
yet
issued
balance
and
goes
on
to
my
issued
balance.
I
That
shows
that
reconciliation
for
you
so
at
the
end
of
2020.
So
at
the
end
of
this
year
in
terms
of
a
projected
balance,
our
total
outstanding
debt.
So
what
we
will
owe
net
of
our
2020
principal
repayments
will
be
about
383
million
dollars
and
then
we'll
have
an
additional
now
only
137
the
council
has
approved,
but
we
have
not
yet
issued.
So
we
haven't
done
anything
with
that.
So
for
a
total
of
520
million
and
within
that
137.
I
That
is
now
approved,
but
not
yet
issued.
That's
made
up
of
two
things:
it's
made
up
of
the
new
debt
application,
which
is
council
report
20-2,
which
is
about
57
million
that
we're
going
to
be
applying
to
I
o
for
plus
78
million
from
the
cap
bay
watt
wastewater
plant,
because
we
have
already
got
an
application
approved
by
council
and
in
with
io
and
we're
drawing
advances
on
that
plant.
But
we
have
not
yet
permanentized
that
because
we
don't
expect
substantial
completion
until
early
next
year.
I
So
that's
really
all
that's
left
in
terms
of
everything
that
council
has
approved
for
debt
funding
is
either
part
of
the
new
application.
That's
on
the
agenda
tonight
or
it's
the
78
million
from
cap
bay,
and
that
makes
up
the
total
that
we
still
need
to
deal
with
that
we
don't
have
as
permanent
debt
at
this
point
in
time
and
then
the
other
thing
I
think
I
can
say
is
with
respect
to
the
remainder
of
council's
term.
Based
on
what
we
presented
at
last
year's
last
year's
budget
deliberations.
I
There
was
no
plan
at
that
time
to
ask
council
for
any
additional
debt
approvals
during
this
term.
So
there'll
be
nothing
more
added
on,
but
we
are
paying
off
about
15
million
dollars
a
year,
so
there'll
be
at
least
another
30
to
45
million.
That
will
come
off
over
the
next
two
to
three
years
of
that
balance,
but
the
plan
is
not
to
add
anything
further
into
those
numbers
for
the
remainder
of
the
term.
So
sorry
for
that
long-winded
answer,
but
but
I
wanted
to
give
you
the
full
picture.
J
I
Through
you,
mr
mayor,
so
for
the
residential
taxpayer
of
that
520,
I
would
say
approximately
30,
maybe
35
to
40
percent
of
that
relates
to
utility
debt
and
actually,
with
the
cap
bay
on
it's
probably
closer
to
the
40
percent,
would
relate
to
counter
would
relate
to
utility
related
debt,
so
that
does
not
hit
the
the
tax
base.
The
remaining
amount
would
be
related
to
would
be
in
our
in
our
tax
budgets
and
is
funded
either
from
taxation
or
user
fees.
I
J
F
Thank
you,
mayor,
patterson,
miss
kennedy,
I'm
hoping
you
could
speak
to
the
composition
of
the
individual
debt
items.
What
I'm
wondering
is
is
the
interest
that
we're
going
to
pay
on
the
debt
included
in
the
total
debt
load
that
we're
talking
about
tonight.
So,
for
example,
the
report
talked
to
15
million
dollars
for
widening
john
counter
of
debt,
but
it
also
talked
about
six
million
in
interest
on
the
debt.
Is
that
six
nestled
into
15,
or
is
it
actually
15
plus
6?
On
21
million.
I
We
wanted
to
show
just
some
a
summary
of
the
actual
budget
and
how
it
was
funded,
and
then,
on
top
of
that,
we've
shown
the
interest
cost
over
the
debenture
term.
So,
for
instance,
you
reference
john
counter
boulevard,
which
had
a
total
cost
of
about
65
million
of
which
we
had
spent
50
to
date.
We
still
have
a
little
bit
more
that
we're
spending
on
that
there's
an
additional
interest
cost
of
six
million.
On
top
of
that.
So
that's
not
part
of
the
actual
project
cost.
F
I
F
Okay,
thank
you.
I'm
I'm
comfortable
with
the
spending.
I
think
the
rates
are
reasonable,
I'm
glad
that
they're
fixed
over
the
term
and
I'm
also
appreciative
of
the
fact
that
we're
paying
more
on
the
principal
than
on
the
interest,
but
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
math,
because
an
extra
60
million
dollars
is
quite
a
bit
just
for
interest,
so
I
want
us
to
be
aware
of
that
going
into
it.
Thank
you.
K
J
A
E
E
That,
of
course,
is
council
knows
hopefully
the
public
does
that
none
of
that
money
goes
back
until
the
city
has
received
it.
Then
we
rebated
in
poor
proportions
backwards
back
to
the
developer,
so
that
they
may
have
a
greenfield
situation
rather
than
a
contaminated
situation,
which
they
have
to
pay
for
everything.
E
So
there
are
a
number
of
advantages
to
this.
My
my
concern
was,
first
of
all
the
total
amount
of
money,
but
also
that
there's
projected
to
be
1500
units
on
this
property
and
for
each
phase
of
four
phases.
We
would
take
in
a
million
dollars
with
the
taxes
and
of
that
we
would
rebate
back
to
the
developer
nine
hundred
thousand
dollars.
E
In
the
end
nine
hundred
thousand
times
four
phases
is
3.6
million
times.
10
years
is
36
million
and
then
another
9
million
of
foregone
development
charges
on
top
of
that
to
be
45
million.
So
the
part
that
concerned
me
was
that
we
receive
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
service
that
first,
second
third
and
fourth
phases,
and
they
that
comes
to
375
units,
for
which
we
receive
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
service
that
works
out
to
be
about
267
dollars
per
household
per
year.
E
E
So
we
are
losing
some
money
here
and
we
will
not
get
that
money
back
and
we
taught
in
talks
as
if
that's
what's
going
on,
but
in
fact
it's
not,
and
so
I
was
thinking
on
such
a
large
amount
of
money.
This
was
need
for
concern,
so
I
just
thought
you
could
in
my
mind
you
could
still
vote
for
this
and
still
prove
it,
but
we
should
be
clear
about
what's
happening
and
that
is
we're
going
to
pay
out
this
money.
E
We're
not
going
to
get
enough
back
to
cover
all
the
city,
services,
police,
fire,
social
services,
parks
and
recreation
and
all
the
things
that
make
up
a
city,
and
so
that's
what
I
was
trying
to
make
clear
was
my
intuition
and
now,
I'm
quite
sure
of
it.
Having
talked
to
staff,
and
on
top
of
that
we
have
the
nine
million
dollars
in
dc's
that
we
will
talks
about
recovering
it.
A
E
L
Boss,
thank
you,
mr
mayor
and
through
you.
Thank
you
councillor,
hutchinson.
Yes,
so
this
is
tonight
we're
asking
council
to
approve
the
framework
to
amend
the
policy
to
to
allow
these
amendments
to
the
policy
so
that
an
application
can
be
made
and
that
application
will
need
to
come
back
to
council
for
approval
as
part
of
an
agreement
for
the
for
the
funding
and
by
all
means.
L
Yes,
staff
can
bring
an
update
to
the
the
history
of
the
program
and
where
we're
at
with
rebating
and
completing
some
rebates
for
for
the
brownfield
projects
that
council
has
approved
over
over
the
past
15
years.
So
we
can
definitely
show
that
with
projections
of
how
this
property
fits
into
that
model
as
well
as
yeah,
one
of
the
probably
the
most
significant
to
date,
one
of
the
first
ones
was
the.
L
It
was
the
block
d,
so
that
would
be
included
in
that
data
in
a
comparison
with
the
amount
of
benefits
provided
to
block
d,
as
well
as
the
size
of
the
property
and
and
the
timeline
that
sort
of
thing.
So
absolutely
that
can
be
brought
back
for
council's
consideration
when
it
does
see
the
the
application
specifics.
This
property
under
under
these
proposed
guidelines.
D
Hey,
thank
you,
I'm
I'm
going
to
be.
I
can't
support
this
and
there's
several
reasons,
but
I'd
like
to
consider
looking
at
this
through
a
new
lens,
the
effect
that
mpac
assessments
will
have
on
adjacent
properties
and
businesses
in
the
downtown
area.
As
you
guys
probably
are
aware,
when
you
increase
the
value
of
a
particular
property,
the
adjacent
properties
also
increase
in
value.
D
We've
got
the
proposal
here,
something
that
exceeds
by
more
than
the
official
plan,
and
what
this
is
going
to
do
is
going
to
increase
the
property
taxes
on
adjacent
businesses
and
land,
and
if
you
could
show
the
the
story
from
the
cbc
please,
mr
clerk,
here's
what
happens
in
here's.
What
happened
in
toronto
in
2017
as
a
result?
D
A
D
So
if
you
look
at
this
article
from
2017,
there
was
a
hundred
percent
tax
increase
as
a
result
of
a
giant
tower
going
on
going
up
next
to
some
low
rise
buildings
in
toronto
notice
that
the
small
notice,
the
subtitles
small
business
association
plans
to
fight
100
property
tax
in
hikes.
This
was
in
the
past
tense
in
2017.
The
impact
assessment
raised
taxes
by
100
in
one
year.
If
I
could
have
the
second
story,
the
star
story,
please.
D
Going
forward,
you
can
notice
the
subtitle
here
it's
going
forward,
because
impact
phases
in
the
tax
increases
they're,
expecting
a
500
property
tax
increase
on
yonge
street
because
of
several
towers
that
are
going
up.
The
similar
laws
and
similar
rules
apply
here
in
kingston,
you
put
up
a
tower:
adjacent
properties
will
go
up
in
taxes
without
any
improvements
or
any
anything
better
from
them,
and
this
is
how
impact
does
things
now.
Kingston
is
not
toronto.
D
Our
towers
aren't
as
big,
but
we
are
also
on
the
higher
tax
jurisdiction
than
toronto,
so
we're
already
climbing
up
this
500
faster
than
others.
So
if
we
are
concerned
with
businesses
in
the
downtown
area,
the
new
trend-
and
you
can
check
this
out
with
most
businesses-
is
that
there
is
an
addition
to
the
lease.
In
addition
to
the
regular
lease
increase,
there
is
a
portion.
D
That's
attached
to
tax
increases,
so
it's
going
directly
to
the
small
businesses,
and
this
is
part
of
the
reason
why
downtown
continually
tells
us
that
there
are
such
in
such
precarious
situations.
One
of
the
refrains
that
I've
been
hearing
from
small
town
from
small
businesses
in
the
downtown
is
that
it's
very
difficult,
it's
very
precarious,
and
yet
we
have
more
people
living
in
downtown
than
ever
before.
D
If
you
consider
the
block
d
development,
the
old
local
motor
works,
we
have
more
people
that
can
shop
and
live
downtown
right
now
and
still
the
same
refrain
goes
on.
So
the
question
that
I'm
raising
is:
can
business
sales
increase
at
a
faster
or
do
they
increase
at
a
lower
rate
and
the
tax
rate
increase
impact
assessments?
And
I
submit
to
you
that
if
we
were
to
believe
these
small
business
owners
that
find
it
harder
and
harder
now
that
the
answer
is
that
taxes
are
going
faster?
D
We
put
this
particular
tower
in
here
we're
going
to
be
hurting
the
downtown
business.
It's
like
a
slow
poison
into
the
downtown
vitality,
and
the
official
plan
has,
I
believe,
thought
this
through,
and
that
is
why
it
has
put
limits
up
to
about
eight
stories
and
that's
like
two
to
four
times
the
existing
height
and
density
of
the
buildings
that
are
down
there.
But
it
is
not
exact.
D
It's
not
so
much
that
it's
going
to
tax
small
businesses
out
of
the
market.
A
second
problem
that
I
see
with
allowing
huge
buildings
that
go
well
beyond
the
official
plan
is
that
it
it
increases
the
speculation
of
land.
The
prices
of
land
are
going
to
go
up.
If
we
want
higher
land
prices,
that
is
only
going
to
help
defeat
the
actual
land
owners
there.
D
It
doesn't
help
anybody
else
and
it
in
fact
discourages
small-time
developers
or
anybody
else
who
might
want
to
build
a
more
reasonable
size
building
by
speculating
on
land
that
is
going
to
be
much
much
higher.
This
again
is
another
slow
poison
to
the
downtown.
So
then,
I'm
looking
at
through
this
lens,
I
look
at
the
provincial
policy
statement
and
I'm
talking
about
1.7.1
amd,
promoting
opportunities
for
economic
development
and
community
investment
readiness.
D
We
are
diminishing
that
by
allowing
only
the
big
developers
to
be
able
to
bid
on
land
here
and
in
the
section
d
maintain
and
where
possible,
enhance
the
vitality
and
viability
of
downtowns
and
main
streets.
This
is
again
a
slow
poison
onto
this,
and,
if
you
look
at
this
through
this
lens,
you
can
see,
there
are
literally
hundreds
of
points
in
the
official
plan
that
are
not
being
addressed
by
the
report
30
seconds.
D
The
official
plan
is
supposed
to
be
read
from
the
front
to
the
back,
with
the
front
section,
two
one
and
two
being
most
important,
and
even
in
the
section
2.1
sustainable
development,
we're
hurting
we're
hurting
the
downtown
this
way
section
2.2
the
goal
is
to
best
serve
businesses
and
we're
not
serving
all
businesses.
By
doing
this,
we're
serving
only
the
very
biggest,
not
the
local
ones,
us
and
it
can
go
on
and
on
like
that.
So
for
these
reasons
I
think
it's
very
this.
This
is
an
amazing
contortion
of
any
reasonable
planning
policy.
M
Thank
you,
your
worship
and
I'm
actually
surprised
councilman
clarence
comments,
because
I've
heard
over
and
over
from
the
dbia
and
from
members
of
the
economic
development
tourism
kingston
that
we
have
a
very
fragile
downtown.
These
are
the
people
who
actually
make
their
living
off
of
people
who
come
into
the
downtown
and
there's
presumably
they're
the
same
people
who
would
know
what
it
takes
to
run
and
sustain
a
business
down
there
as
opposed
to
you
know
many
others
who
I've
heard
from
you
know
throughout
this.
M
This
lengthy
debate
certainly
seems
to
me
that
they
would
know
what's
good
for
their
business
and
they're
saying
they
need.
People
living
in
the
downtown
boat
has
shown
us
that
our
downtown
can
quickly
be
put
at
risk.
We
know
that
if
it
is
a
place
to
that's
going
to
thrive
and
lit
and
be
lived
in,
we
can't
turn
it
into
a
museum.
M
That
was
almost
50
years
ago
and
with
the
exception
of
block
b,
almost
40
years
since
any
large-scale
accommodation
development
has
occurred
in
the
vicinity
of
the
downtown,
we
need
to
restart
the
process
of
bringing
people
to
live
in
the
downtown.
The
previously
proposed
condo
was
80
percent
pre-sold
to
local
residents.
I
heard
over
and
over
from
retired
residents
in
my
district
that
they
would
love
to
sell
the
home
if
they
could
raise
their
children
in
and
purchase
a
condo
or
rent
an
apartment
in
the
downtown
if
it
was
affordable
to
do
so.
M
M
M
So
I
asked
the
clerk
to
put
this
building
up,
because
I
saw
this
sketch
and
I
thought
it
was.
I
thought
it
really
sort
of
reflected
what
we
would
see
if
we
follow
the
op.
Specifically,
this
is
a
six
or
sorry
or
seven
story
as
of
right
building
and
what
it
would
look
like.
All
those
empty
blocks
in
the
downtown
could
be
built
on
with
developers
using
existing
official
plan
language
to
dictate
what
they
can
build.
Mammoth
fortresses
that
look
just
like
this
all
over
the
downtown
and
through
the
queen
street
corridor.
M
The
only
assist
that
we
would
have
in
our
toolbox
is
a
site
plan
bump
up,
but
we
already
had
a
situation
on
upper
princess
street
where
we
lost
an
appeal
to
a
developer
and
that
building
is
covered
in
silence.
So
imagine
now
the
fortress
picture
clad
in
the
siding,
because
that
would
make
the
project
cheaper
and
maximize
profit
and
be
allowable
under
the
current
zoning
and
planning
provisions.
M
M
M
They
could
build
something
just
like
that
on
every
one
of
those
vacant
blocks
that
exist
downtown
and
sure
that
does
increase
intensification,
but
I
don't
think
that's
the
kind
of
intensification
that
we're
looking
for
anybody's
looking
for
you've
got
to
be
very
careful
when
you
say
we're
going
to
follow
the
the
op
as
prescribed,
because,
first
of
all,
it's
not
set
up
that
way.
There's
lots
of
room
for
exceptions
because
there's
lots
of
room
for
negotiation.
M
We've
got
to
use
those
to
our
advantage,
and
I
think
when
we
look
at
this
project,
it's
a
carefully
considered
project.
It
meets
the
test
of
human
scale.
It
was
a
very,
I
think,
carefully
renegotiated
development
after
a
proposal
that
didn't
really
suit.
I
think
that
30
seconds,
so
this
is
a
good
project.
It's
been
carefully
considered.
M
B
N
N
I
Thank
you
through
you,
mr
mayor.
Yes,
very
speculative
as
to
as
to
what
might
happen,
the
the
one
thing
to
consider,
too,
is
how
impact
does
the
assessment
of
these
businesses
and
I'm
actually
going
to.
I
do
have
mr
walker
at
the
meeting
tonight,
our
manager
of
taxation,
and
so
I'm
just
going
to
turn
it
over
to
him,
because
he
can
explain
just
a
little
bit
more
as
to
how
those
properties
are
assessed
and
the
effect
of
what
potentially
could
happen
because
of
that
walker.
Thank
you.
K
N
N
G
N
G
N
N
G
N
N
I
guess
I'm
concerned
about
a
couple
of
things
one
if
we
continue
to
say
no
to
it's
it's
hard
to
define
what
a
responsible
development
looks
like,
I
think,
at
16
or
17
stories.
This
was
not
a
responsible
development
and
I
opposed
it
as
I
opposed
the
high
teens
development
farther
down
on
on
queen
street.
N
I
guess
I'm
troubled
about
a
couple
of
things.
If
we
continue
to
say
no,
we
we
will
indeed
block
any
further
development,
and
I
think
I
think
the
way
that
they've
tried
to
address
this
and
their
architect
has
addressed.
This,
I
think,
is,
is
a
great
improvement
over
what
the
original
design
was.
I
just
have
one
quick
question
I'll
make
it
a
comment
and
I'll
invite
jeff
walker
or
miss
kennedy
to
correct
me.
N
N
N
P
Hello-
everyone,
sorry,
I
didn't
have
time
to
change
out
of
my
scrubs,
but
there's
no,
it's
not
soiled
up
here,
so
so
I'll
have
to
it'll
have
to
do.
I
have
some
some
comments
to
make
on
this.
I
I
do
represent
a
downtown
district.
I
am
very
confident
that
the
majority
of
my
constituents
that
I've
spoken
to
or
heard
from
on
this
new
redesigned
proposal
remain
opposed.
P
So,
in
my
campaign,
literature
when
I
ran
for
student
industry
counselor
one
of
my
three
points-
and
I
kept
it
brief-
was
I
support
high
quality
housing
developments
that
fit
the
neighborhood
and
so
how?
What?
What
does
that
mean
for
this
block?
It
means
obviously
something
larger
in
scale
and
density
than
the
average
neighborhood
in
sydney,
but
it
is
still
much
smaller
than
what
is
proposed
here.
P
That
is
more
of
a
human
scale
that
height
and
I
would
say
that
and
that
describes
most
of
europe.
Most
european
cities
are
of
human
scale
and
there's
a
reason
for
that.
But
this
doesn't
do
it
it
it
it.
It
exceeds
the
guidelines,
not
necessarily
it
does
exceed
in
height.
But
that's
not
the
glaring
problem.
The
angular
plane
is
the
problem
with
this
one,
and
that
would
be
when
you're
looking
up
at
the
building
from
the
street.
P
How
steep
you
have
to
look
up
and-
and
that
speaks
directly
to
how
much
light
gets
blocked
at
the
street
level
by
a
large
development.
The
more
it's
set
back,
the
lesser
of
the
plane
and
the
and
the
more
light
gets
in
the
less
of
a
canyon
feeling
you
get.
Obviously,
if,
if
the
angular
plane
is
close
to
90
degrees,
you're
looking
straight
up
at
a
tall
building
right,
so
the
angular
plane
here
is
not
met.
K
P
And
because,
at
the
same
time,
they're
bringing
down
the
hype,
they
they've
remained
in
a
very
high
massing
number
and
and
that's
causing
all
kinds
of
problems,
so
high
quality
housing
that
would
be
bigger
units,
it
would
be,
it
would
be
some
kind
of
architecture
that
people
can
be
proud
of.
I
mean
a
large
development,
doesn't
need
to
be
a
visual
intrusion.
It
can
actually
be
something
to
celebrate.
I
don't
see
that
in
this
in
the
preliminary
design
of
this
project.
P
We
have
also
it's
not
true
that
if
we
say
no,
that
we
will
block
development
because
we
have
examples
in
our
downtown
of
successful
human
scale,
developments
some
as
high
as
eight
or
nine
stories.
That
would
be
the
anna
lane
project
on
queen
street
very
near
to
where
this
one
is
proposed.
It
is
a
successful
development.
P
It
does
have
permanent
downtown
residents
living
there.
This
does
not
looking
at
the
floor.
Plans
for
this
place
does
not
speak
like
that.
To
me,
some
of
the
people
that
wrote
to
me
actually
said
that
they
bought
a
unit
in
the
first
iteration,
but
they
no
longer
have
one,
and
that
is
because
the
units
have
changed
and
no
longer
as
attractive
to
say,
retirees
or
downtown
permanent
residents.
P
I
submit,
because
innate
has
a
history
of
providing
purpose-built
student
housing
in
other
university
towns
that
that
is
what
is
for
what
is
envisioned
here.
Purpose-Built
student
housing,
very
small
units
marketed
to
investors
that
are
looking
at
student
income,
which
we
all
know,
is
very
lucrative
in
this
town
and
many
many.
Q
P
C
Here,
worshiping
through
you,
I
kind
of
just
actually
want
to
take
off
on
that,
because
it
gave
me
a
little
bit
of
an
epiphany
on
this
and
hypothetically.
Let's
say
it
just
caters
to
students,
I'm
sort
of
looking
at
that
and
I'm
seeing
that.
How
is
that
a
bad
thing,
because
we've
heard
a
lot
of
concern
that
a
lot
of
the
existing
neighborhoods
are
being
eroded
and
people
that
are
living
there
in
their
homes
are
losing
out
to
students,
basically
becoming
you
know,
problems
as
rental
units
increase.
C
So
if
this
does
in
turn
hypothetically
turn
into
just
student
housing,
would
that
not
ease
the
pressure
on
those
other
neighborhoods
and
then
turn
them
back
into
neighborhoods?
So
I
mean
either
way
consider
the
fact
that
we
have
one
of
the
lowest
vacancy
rates
in
pretty
much
all
of
ontario,
so
more
housing,
regardless
of
whether
it's
a
small
condo
and
again.
I
want
to
be
careful
here,
because
minimalism
is
something
that
we're
going
to
have
to
start
with
our
society.
C
Where
we
look
at
this
and
go
well,
the
bedrooms
are
only
this
size
that
may
work
for
somebody.
That
may
be
exactly
what
somebody's
looking
for.
It
may
not
be
what
you
want,
but
that's
not
to
say
that
it's
not
an
option
for
somebody
there,
so
so
pre-determining
a
position
on
this
just
because
of
the
size
of
a
room
or
saying
that
you
know
a
living
room
needs
to
be.
You
know,
50
square
meters
as
opposed
to
20..
C
I
think
those
are
those
are
opinion
based
things,
so
so
not
supporting
this
based
on
the
size
of
certain
rooms
or
a
bachelor
versus
it
should
be
all
family
units.
I
mean
those
are
opinion
things
and
I
think
we
could
argue
till
the
end
of
time.
As
to
you
know,
those
are
those
are
just
things
where
everybody
has
a
different
opinion
and
everybody
has
different
wants.
C
So
the
mix
that
this
kind
of
adds
to
the
actual
city,
adding
the
building
where,
when
councilor
hill
put
that
block
figure
up
of
eight
stories,
it
kind
of
resonates
with
me,
because
I
look
at
that
and
it's
like
yeah.
You
know
what
that
that
meets
the
definition
under
the
official
plan.
It's
an
eight-story
block
square
building
that
would
be
heinous
to
look
at,
and
I
can
almost
bet
that
it
would
still
not
receive
support,
even
though
it
would
meet
all
the
criteria.
C
Okay,
so
you've
got
a
podium
with
it
with
a
tower
and
it's
set
back
to
kind
of
you
know
appreciate
the
heritage
of
princess
street,
so
so
it
has
kind
of
tried
to
incorporate
that
staff
have
told
us
numerous
times
that
when
interpreting
the
official
plan,
you
can't
just
pick
the
section
you
want
that
supports
your
argument.
You
actually
have
to
look
at
a
variable
different
set
of
sections
to
say
that
there
is
some
flexibility
based
on
all
these
different
factors.
C
There's
never
been
an
official
plan
written
that
was
ever
perfect
and
satisfied
everybody,
but
for
those
who
are
in
support
of
it,
they
can
find
all
the
reasons
to
support
it
and
for
those
who
are
against
it,
they
can
pick
one
or
two
clauses
of
the
official
plan
that
that
they
can
find
to
to
not
support
this.
So
with
that
in
mind,
just
remember
the
fact
that
I
believe
we
did
get
an
email
earlier.
C
If
we
turn
this
down
we're
basically
one
way
or
another,
going
back
to
our
taxpayers
and
asking
them
to
pick
up
the
tab
for
all
the
debt
that
we
still
have
as
a
city
that
we
basically
have
approved
on
previous
projects.
So
as
councillor
neil
said
earlier,
we
can't
reject
everything.
I
mean
right
now,
there's
still
an
appeal
for
16
stories
that
we
don't
really
know
how
that's
gonna
go.
C
I
mean
we
have
seen
an
appeal
overturned
in
sort
of
an
unprecedented
move
earlier
this
year,
when
only
it's
only
happened,
one
or
two
or
even
three
times
in
the
last
20
years.
So
I
mean
we
have
a
commitment
from
the
proponent
that
if
we
support
this
12-story
application
in
which
they
have
met
a
lot
of
the
peer-reviewed
requirements,
if
not
all
that
they
will
drop
that
appeal
and
they
will
go
with
this
12
stories.
So
in
my
mind
you
know
it's.
C
It
has
to
be
a
little
bit
of
give
and
take
we're,
never
going
to
get
what
we
want
to
satisfy
everybody,
but
I
think
in
this
iteration
we
satisfy
the
vast
majority
of
demands
on
our
downtown.
We
also
support
downtown
businesses
and
also
there
was
an
argument
made
earlier
that
you
know
taxation
would
increase
based
on
based
on
you
know
this
being
built.
But
if
that's
the
case,
then
property
value
and-
and
you
know
basically,
people
being
in
the
downtown-
would
also
increase.
C
E
We
got
an
email
from
a
lawyer
before
the
meeting
indicating
that
this
development
and
get
interferes
with
their
neighboring
development
rights
and
wonder
if
staff
have
a
response
for
that
and
what
we
could
be
up
against,
because
this
came
up
with
planning
too,
and
so
are
we
really
in
a
position
to
pass
this
tonight?
Is
ms.
Q
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
Through
you,
the
existing
zoning
framework
for
the
site
does
allow
for
a
zero
lot
line
on
the
side.
Yards
balconies
are
built
to
to
that
zero
lot
line,
and
so
the
applicant
isn't
infringing
on
development
rights
they're
building
to
what
is
permitted
in
the
as
of
right,
zoning
for
the
site
currently
and
then
from
there.
I
guess,
like
the
building
code,
would
take
over
in
terms
of
future
future
buildings
surrounding
in
that
block.
Q
O
Thank
you
through
you
and
mr
mayor.
The
building
code
would
regulate
the
building
construction
and
life
safety
based
on
the
proximity
to
the
lot
lines.
So
if
the
building
would
be
permitted
to
be
constructed
to
the
lot
line,
the
life
safety
or
the
different
construction
of
the
building
in
terms
of
non-combustibility
and
sprinklers
would
come
into
play
and
how
we
would
look
at
that
we
wouldn't
take.
We
wouldn't
necessarily
look
at
whether
someone
could
see
into
a
balcony
beside.
E
E
A
Q
Thank
you
andrew
mr
mayor
staff
can
confirm
that
the
notice
requirements
regarding
this
owning
bylaw
application
were
completed
in
accordance
with
the
planning
act
in
terms
of
signage.
We
did
mail
by
first
class
mail
to
all
property
owners
within
120
meters
in
advance
of
the
public
meeting,
and
there
were
courtesy
notices
in
the
newspaper
just
based
on
my
recollection
of
what
correspondence
we've
received
to
date
formally
received
by
the
city
for
the
formal
file.
I
don't
recall
any
from
adjacent
property
owners
know
any
concerns
that
we
would
need
to
address.
G
G
Sometimes
we
know
exactly
what
the
community
benefit
is
at
the
time
we're
passing
the
original
bylaw
in
this
case,
what
we've
identified
in
the
staff
report
and
that
came
to
planning
committee
by
way
of
a
supplemental
report
that
identified
all
the
feedback
that
we
received
related
to
the
community
benefit
consultation
with
a
lot
of
ideas
and
because
there
was
so
much
feedback
and
a
lot
of
ideas.
Staff
wanted
the
opportunity
to
have
further
discussions
on
the
community
benefit
that
would
involve
district
counselors
and
more
community-based
conversations
where
we
could
further
bet
the
ideas.
G
So
the
way
that
would
be
facilitated
by
council
is
through
an
h-lift,
so
holding
symbol,
lift
and
that's
done
by
way
of
a
bylaw
that
council
has
to
pass.
So
the
matter
related
to
the
community
benefits
wouldn't
be
negotiated
by
staff
in
isolation
of
council.
It
would
involve
the
community
district
councillors
to
to
the
extent
that
they
would
like
to
participate
and
then
eventually
an
h-lift
bylaw.
That
would
come
back
to
the
committee
that
has
to
be
removed
before
the
development
could
move
forward
to
receive
a
building.
Permit.
G
Councillor
hutchinson,
the
amount
of
any
benefit
is
stipulated
in
the
staff
report
and
that's
based
on
the
calculation
of
looking
at
the
additional
gross
floor
area
that
would
be
awarded
to
the
applicant,
based
on
the
increased
permissions
that
are
being
sought
through
the
zoning
bylaw
and
then
using
a
per
square
foot
rate
and
then
taking
30
percent
of
that
to
determine
what
the
overall
community
benefit
associated
with
the
additional
height
that's
being
proposed.
Here,
that's
identified
in
the
staff
report.
E
E
E
I
appreciate
counselor
hill's
art
art,
but
the
building
will
not
look
like
that
because
the
frankly
the
the
shape
of
the
of
the
the
of
the
lot
is
not
the
same,
and
so
I
think
that,
yes,
you
can
get.
The
official
plan
allows
for
a
number
of
different
interpretations,
or
at
least
yes,
interpretations
and
amalgams
of
of
consider
considerations,
but
the
zoning
bylaw
is
clear
and
that
has
been
thought
out
long
since
it
hits
it
says
eight
stories.
E
If
we
are
interested
in
protecting
our
heritage
core,
which
isn't
that
big
to
begin
with,
then
we
will
not
vote
for
this
building.
It's
really
straightforward.
That
way.
We
have
all
kinds
of
things
about
peer
reviews
and
all
that,
but
the
peer
review
is
based
on
having
a
a
compromise
where
there
should
be
no
compromise
and
a
huge
compromise.
R
A
I
think
that
just
about
everybody
in
our
community
agrees
on
two
things
number
one:
we
need
more
housing
in
the
downtown
and
number
two.
We
need
to
preserve
the
heritage
character
of
our
downtown.
If
there's
anybody
that
disagrees
with
either
of
those
points,
it
all
comes
down
to
how
best
to
balance
them
and
clear.
A
This
proposal
that
is
in
front
of
us
is
a
compromise
proposal.
It
is
an
attempt
to
try
to
balance
off
those
two
things
now,
one
of
the
things
you
get
with
a
compromise.
Is
you
never,
please
everybody?
There
will
be
people
on
the
extremes
that
won't
like
it.
You
know
the
developer
doesn't
like
it.
He
wanted
the
16
stories.
I
know
that
there
are
other
interest
groups
that
don't
like
it.
They
they
would
like
something
that
is
smaller,
but
this
is
an
attempt
to
try.
A
A
This
is
our
chance
to
send
a
signal
that
we
are
investing
in
the
growth
and
the
revitalization
of
our
downtown
right
at
the
moment
when
it
needs
it
and
by
approving
a
compromise
proposal
that
meets
the
angular
plane.
That's
a
smaller
building
that
has
commercial
on
queen
street
that
meets
many
of
the
valid
concerns
that
came
forward
when
we
discussed
the
last
proposal.
A
This
is
an
attempt
to
show
that
we,
this
council,
is
going
to
find
a
way
forward,
accept
the
compromise,
get
more
housing
the
downtown,
but
also
understand
the
changes
that
need
to
happen
and
to
absolutely
speak
to
the
importance
of
respecting
that
heritage
character.
That,
ultimately,
is
what
this
comes
down
to.
A
I
I
would
be
reluctant
to
pursue
the
the
argument
of
council
mclaren
that
on
the
flip
side,
if,
if
our
downtown
was
destitute,
then
assessment
would
go
down,
but
I
don't
think
that
that's
I
and
then,
if
taxation
went
down,
I
don't
think
that
that's
the
right
answer.
I
think
that
the
right
answer
is
to
build
up
the
downtown.
I
think
that
the
right
answer
is
to
invest
in
making
an
attractive
place
right.
A
The
whole
reason
why
the
downtown
core
is
attractive
and
why
people
pay
more
is
because
of
the
traffic
and
the
customers
that
that
can
be
available.
The
other
thing
that
I
will
just
note
is
that
you'll
see
from
your
agenda.
This
is
an
application
for
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment.
This
is
not
an
application
to
change
the
official
plan,
so
in
staff's
professional
opinion,
this
is
a
proposal
that
is
consistent
with
the
official
plan.
We
are
changing
a
zoning
that
is
decades
old,
and
you
know
what
in
many
decades
have
passed.
A
What
we
think
works
best
for
kingston
is
different
now
and
that's
part
of
being
progressive,
that's
part
of
being
a
leading
edge
city
that
we
can
find
that
balance
where
we
can
find
a
way
to
preserve
heritage,
but
also
find
ways
to
have
attractive
development
people
living
in
the
downtown
core
to
sustain
our
city
through
a
very
difficult
time
now,
but
well
into
the
future
as
well.
So
I
certainly
would
encourage
council
to
support
this
project.
Thank
you.
F
F
I'm
wondering
at
what
distance
is
that
angular
plane
angle
measured,
so
particularly
what
I'm
thinking
about
is,
if
I'm
downtown
and
I'm
walking
beside
the
building
on
princess
street.
Looking
at
the
proposed
renewed
historical
heritage,
facade
and
I
look
up,
will
I
be
able
to
see
the
tower
from
that
vantage
point,
or
will
I
have
to
be
across
the
street
or
a
few
blocks
over
to
be
able
to
see
the
tower,
given
the
the
setback
of
that
podium.
G
G
G
So
you
have
a
very
significant
step
back,
that's
achieved,
even
though
we
still
have
a
piercing
of
the
angular
plane
at
54
degrees
and
the
the
two
top
stories
of
the
building.
But
with
that
step
back
and
with
the
angular
plane,
you
have
a
significant
portion
of
the
height
that
is
pulled
more
centrally
to
the
area
of
the
lot.
A
Q
F
Okay,
thank
you.
So
I
asked
that
question
because
I
know
that
when
I
look
at
the
concept
drawings,
which
are
only
concept
drawings
at
this
point,
because
when
we're
looking
at
zoning,
obviously
we
can't
deal
with
material.
But
when
I
look
at
those
concept
drawings,
I
would
definitely
admit
that
it
seems
like
it
will
be
a
big
building
and
of
course
it
would
be
the
biggest
building
on
the
block,
but
not
the
biggest
building
downtown
I'd
had.
F
But
when
you
see
those
initial
drawings,
I
think
that
it
doesn't
actually
give
a
true
sense
of
the
scale
and
that's
why
I
asked
this
question.
If
you're
walking
by
it,
you
won't
feel
the
tower
you'll
just
feel
on
princess
street.
The
two-story
facade
that
again
is
restored
to
be
like
not
exactly
like,
but
like
the
heritage,
building
that
it
is
and
if
you're
on
the
queen
street
side,
it
will
feel
like
the
five-story
building
right
across
the
road.
F
So
it's
very
in
keeping
with
the
true
local
environs
and
how
pedestrians
will
experience
it
and
I
think,
taking
the
pedestrian
perspective
is
incredibly
important,
because
one
of
the
advantages
of
this
building
that
a
number
of
my
colleagues
here
tonight
have
talked
about
is
the
ability
to
get
people
downtown.
We
want
people
walking
around
downtown
to
live
to
eat
to
shop.
This
project
includes
commercial
space
on
both
the
queen
street
and
the
princess
street
side,
which
I
think
is
incredibly
important,
and
perhaps
most
important
is
a
two-fold
thing.
F
One
is
that
we're
in
a
housing
crisis
and
well
obviously,
one
single
project,
even
with
169
units
won't
in
and
of
itself,
solve
any
affordability
issue.
Nor
am
I
under
an
illusion
that
this
building
will
be
affordable.
The
fact
of
the
matter
is,
we
do
need
to
add
to
our
unit
count,
and
this
project
will
do
that
and
then
a
twin
crisis
or
an
emergency
that
we're
in
as
we've
talked
about
a
lot
is
the
climate
emergency
and
we've
heard
time
and
time
again
from
planning
staff
on
every
file.
F
What
you
put
where
matters
a
great
deal
when
you
consider
reducing
emissions
so
having
people
living
downtown,
walking
to
shops
having
people
come
downtown
to
have
commercial
needs
met
which,
unfortunately,
in
the
last
10
years,
we've
seen
a
slow
hollowing
out
of
that
ability
is
incredibly
important
into
reducing
emissions.
So,
on
the
housing
front,
on
the
affordability
front,
on
the
perception
of
pedestrians,
of
a
heritage
downtown,
this
project
meets
all
those
those
check
boxes.
So
I'm
proud
to
support
it
tonight
and
I
think
that
one
further
comment.
F
I've
been
thinking
a
lot
about
compromise.
It's
a
word
that
mayor
patterson
brought
up
the
counselor
bowen
brought
up
and
it
often
came
up
in
my
conversations
with
residents
and
initially
when
I
thought
it
compromised.
I
was
thinking.
Oh,
this
is
a
compromise
down
from
16
stories
to
12,
but
I
think
that's
the
wrong
way
of
thinking
about
compromise.
F
I
think
that
the
compromise
is
truly
from
the
as
of
right,
which
counselor
hill
showed
we're
compromising
with
the
developer,
adding
a
few
more
stories
which
again
you're
not
going
to
perceive
from
on
the
street
in
order
to
not
have
a
big
old
blocky
building
that
would
be
as
of
right.
So
that's
the
compromise
it's
from
what's
currently
allowed
to
what
will
be
allowed
if
we
pass
this
and
what
will
be
allowed
if
we
pass,
it
is
definitely
much
better,
at
least
in
my
view,
so
thank
you
very
much.
J
I
spoke
at
planning
about
some
concerns
and
I
can
certainly
appreciate
all
the
struggles
that
businesses
are
experiencing
and
during
this
pandemic,
there's
no
denying
that
a
construction
project
like
this
for
any
construction
project
for
that
matter
would
be
beneficial
for
a
certain
stimulus
for
for
economic
benefit.
For
our
city.
J
J
They
take
that
unique
feeling
of
canada's
history,
and
you
know
here
in
kingston,
we've
avoided
the
pressures
of
urbanization
and
skyscrapers
for
decades,
and
we've
been
able
to
retain
our
identity
and
this
identity,
I
think,
is
critical
to
supporting
the
longevity
of
our
tourism
market
to
be
viable
much
like
quebec
city,
and
this
is
why
so
many
people
adore
the
downtown
kingston.
It's
where
history
remains
accessible
and
the
perversion
of
sky
creek
skyscrapers
don't
exist
unless
you
go
further
up
princess
street.
J
So
I've
heard
arguments
in
support
of
the
economic
vitality
of
our
downtown.
The
intensification
is
touted
as
the
answer,
and
you
know
what
I
would
agree,
and
I
would
agree
to
what
many
of
my
counselors
hotels
who
said
tonight,
and
that
is
with
a
family,
retired
persons
or
permanent
residents.
I'll
say
that
again
for
those
who
can't
follow
permanent
residence
reside
downtown.
J
J
I'm
told
there
are
already
plans
being
considered
so
being
said,
I
find
that
very
troubling
that
we
would
attempt
to
use
this
economic
crisis
as
an
opportunity
to
push
forward
a
project
which
the
developer
has
filed
and
appeal
with
divisional
court
with
respect
to
their
16-story
proposal,
which
has
failed
a
multiple
times
between
the
planning
tour
bill
and
a
good
conscience.
How
can
city
planning
staff
even
entertain
such
a
proposal
when
we're
being
held
hostage
with
threats
of
ongoing
legal
pressures?
J
Is
there
something
I'm
missing,
because
I
really
don't
get
how
we
would
even
entertain
it?
You
know
we
have
different
selectivity
in
in
the
planning
department.
We
choose
to
use
different
words
and
buzz
phrases
and
different
clauses
at
their
pleasure,
so
the
planning
staff
pontificates
promotes
boasts
about
density
by
design
and
I'm
hoping
to
see
the
cost
for
our
consulting
fees
on
this
at
some
point
and
and
that
building
area
in
on
page
22
of
this
document
of
building
by
design.
J
It
says
that
this
that
should
be
nine
eight
to
nine
stories
maximum
for
this
area.
So
we're
being
told
it's
a
complex
but
there's
a
legal
action
going
on
three
seconds
three
seconds.
Well,
like
any
of
my
also
30
seconds,
you
know:
we've
got
specials
for
accommodations
for
rivendale.
Rivendale
is
characterized
in
the
collecting
mix
of
our
technical
styles,
but
it's
rev
revendale
for
mr
hill
is
not
on
on
tripadvisor.
J
S
Thank
you,
worship,
so
yeah.
I
was
there
four
years
ago
when
we
had
conversations
about
this
development
and
heard
from
people
then,
and-
and
you
know
through
from
from
that
point
on
about
this
initiative.
As
the
mayor
has
mentioned,
this
is
a
topic
that
a
lot
of
people
are
discuss
and
certainly
when
the
issue
of
housing
in
kingston
comes
up,
it's
top
of
mind.
For
many,
my
view
and-
and
I
know
some
people
don't
agree,
but
this
is
perhaps
just
based
on
how
I
I
view
things.
I
view
the
world.
S
The
official
plan,
we're
told,
is
a
living
document.
Our
zoning
bylaws
serve
a
different
purpose
and
yes,
I
agree
they're
completely
out
of
date,
and
we
know
that
and
our
staff
are
working
towards
addressing
that
situation,
and
we
do
all
hope
that
we
won't
be
experiencing
this
type
of
challenge
in
the
future
with
those
updated
bylaws.
S
I
understand
fully
the
concerns
about
heritage
and
because
I
think
you
know
we're
talking
about
the
way
these
buildings
look
and
I
don't
really
think
it
is
that
I
think
what
people
are
talking
about
when
they
talk
about
heritage
is
the
feeling
that
they
associate
it
with
being
in
a
place
like
the
downtown
of
kingston.
And
yes,
the
way
the
buildings
look
does
support
that
feeling,
but
mostly
it's
a
feeling
of
vitality.
It's
a
feeling
of
heritage
and
history
and
charm
that
you
just
you
experience
and
I'm
not.
S
So
I'm
not
saying
it's
unrelated
to
the
buildings
themselves,
but
I
certainly
have
had
that
feeling,
and
that
is
why
I'm
living
in
kingston.
I
was
one
of
these
people
who
came
here
to
go
to
queens
and
didn't
leave,
because
I
was
completely
in
love
with
the
feeling
of
kingston
and
the
downtown
especially
spent
most
of
my
years
living
downtown.
S
For
that
reason,
that's
the
feeling
we
cherish
and
we
want
to
preserve
the
there
I'm
going
to
just
address
a
few
things
that
came
up
in
emails
from
constituents
for
people
who
have
talked
about
the
nature
of
this
development
and
how
it's
designed
as
as
more
of
an
investment
opportunity,
not
so
much
for
creating
housing
for
various
types
of
people
or
families.
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
speculation.
S
Is
that
the
need
for
the
type
of
housing
that
we
need
in
the
city,
the
affordable
housing
that
we
need
is
is
challenging
and
requires
a
lot
of
public
investment,
and
we
can't
expect
that
every
development
is
going
to
provide
what
we
need
because
of
the
reality
of
the
cost
of
land
and
the
cost
of
construction,
and
believe
me,
if
I
could
right
in
this
moment,
do
something
about
those
macroeconomic
challenges.
I
would
want
to
do
that,
but
this
is
not
a
moment
where
we
have
that
opportunity.
S
Prior
to
any
of
the
proposals
coming
to
council,
I
took
into
planning
I
heard
from
so
many
people
that
this
is
exactly
the
compromise
they
wanted
to
see,
and
I
know
that
you
know
others
tonight
have
addressed
compromise
as
a
theme.
I
don't
necessarily
see
it
as
a
compromise
in
terms
of
height
or
or
density
or
massing
or
scale,
or
anything
like
that,
but
I
do
see
it
as
a
need
for
compromise
to
ensure
that
we
can
move
the
city
forward
and
by
that
logic
I
will
be
supporting
the
recommendation.
T
Morley,
thank
you
and
through
your
worship,
as
you've
indicated,
this
matter
is
now
before
the
divisional
court.
It's
not
a
de
facto
right
to
go
to
the
divisional
court.
The
applicant
had
to
seek
leave
of
appeal
from
the
court
in
order
to
get
to
this
point,
and
the
court
has
determined
that
there
are
issues
of
law
that
remain
unclear
at
this
point
and
that
it
is
worthy
of
hearing
this
matter
a
second
time.
T
H
T
Thank
you
and
through
your
worship.
Yes,
so
if
a
new
lpat
hearing
is
awarded,
we've
received
correspondence
from
the
applicant's
lawyer
that
they
do
not
intend
to
pursue
this
appeal
or
this
building.
If,
if
you
were
to
approve
the
application
before
you
tonight,
so
in
that
case,
I
would
suspect
that
I
can't
speak
for
the
applicant
that
they
would
simply
not
request
a
new
hearing
before
the
lpat
and
proceed
with
the
12-story
development.
H
T
Thank
you
and
through
you,
your
worship,
I
I
do
want
to
be
clear
that
council's
decision
tonight
has
no
bearing
on
the
court's
ruling.
The
court
will
rule
based
on
the
evidence
that
they
heard
back
in
february.
The
only
caveat
to
that
is
that
the
applicant
has
expressed
an
intention
to
abandon
its
appeal
on
the
16-story
building,
if
they're
able
to
do
so.
So
that
is
the
only
way
that
council
would
have
any
impact
on
the
divisional
court
proceedings.
H
All
right
thanks.
I
do
think
believe
that
things
have
changed
in
in
ontario.
The
current
government
of
ontario
is
the
housing
supply
action
plan
is
calling
for
more
homes,
more
choices,
even
our
license
plates
say
that
ontario
is
a
place
to
go,
and
I
think
there
is
a
chance
that
very
much
of
a
chance
that
that
the
l
pad,
if
it
goes
back
to
the
lpat
that
the
16th
story
may
be
approved.
H
U
Thank
your
worship
and
through
you
I'm.
I
was
one
of
the
counselors
in
2016
who
voted
against
16
stories
for
the
capital
condo.
At
that
time
it
was
basically
because
of
the
peer
review
that
said
that
you
know
the
high
rise
should
be
no
more
than
in
the
low
teens,
and
that
was
my
reasoning
and
tonight
this
proposal
is
for
12
stories.
I
do
have
concerns
with
it,
which
are
more
site
plan
issues,
and
that
is
the
lack
of
storage
and
with
the
lack
of
storage.
U
U
It
looks
awful
so
if
this
does
get
approved
tonight,
I
would
like
it
to
be
bumped
up
to
planning
committee
for
site
plans,
so
we
can
try
to
have
not
only
bikes
banned
from
the
balconies,
but
also
you
know
rubbermaid
containers
and
you
know
having
not
having
the
balconies
be
storage
and
talking
to
staff.
Today
there
are
only
12
storage
units
that
are
being
proposed
for
the
basement,
and
that
is
a
big
concern
considering
how
many
units
we
have
in
this
building
to
only
have
12
storage
lockers.
So
hopefully
that
can
be.
U
U
That
would
always
be
true,
but
downsizing
is
really
hard
when
you've
lived
in
a
house
for
so
long
to
have
to
reduce
your
things
and
then
look
at
the
layout.
The
floor
plans
proposed
to
the
capital
condo
and
seeing
the
lack
of
storage
there
downsizing
would
be
really
hard,
and
so
I
do
have,
even
though
we
can't
people
zone
it's
against
the
human
rights
commission.
U
It
puts
them
into
capital,
condo
and
students
might
not
have
the
same
storage
needs
as
somebody
who's
lived
in
their
three
bedroom
home
for
40
years
and
then
has
to
downsize
like
that's
where
you
get
storage
pressure,
so
I
am
supporting
this
tonight,
but
I
know
that
this
should
be
bumped
up
to
on
planning
committee
for
site
plan
to
take
to
take
a
look
at
storage
means
when
it
gets
to
that
point.
Thank
you.
R
R
R
So
I'm
wondering
how
I
can
make
a
difference
here
in
this
though,
but
you
know
I
understand
the
language
now,
I've
read
it
all.
I
I'm
still
scared,
I
think,
from
the
interpretations
that
we
see
from
from
last
month
that
I
went
through
and
you
know
how
how
this
happens
and
how
this
gets
developed
this
way,
and
so
I
I
have
a
hard
time
supporting
this,
because
I
think
somehow
there
still
seems
to
be
a
lack
of
understanding
of
the
opposition
to
it.
R
I
guess
that
means
I
would
really
have
to
trust
in
sight
plan
that
it
would
maintain
the
integrity
of
the
architecture
is
really
important
to
me.
I'm
kind
of
worried
about
that
from
the
views
that
I
saw.
I
think
that
there
are
some
concerns
there
and
we,
if
this
goes
ahead,
I'm
really
hopeful
that
we
can
really
do
justice
to
to
that
and
make
it
something
that
does
not
stand
out,
but
that
fits
into
the
magic
that
is
downtown.
R
So
I'm
you
know.
I
really
appreciate
all
the
counselors
and
yourself
mayor
patterson
for
the
comments
you
make.
I
do
hear
every
one
of
them.
I
I
think
the
votes
against
the
development
or
the
thoughts
are
probably
not
enough
to
to
not
to
hold
against
it.
Just
just
like
I.
I
wish
it
was
the
other
way
for
for
my
big
the
vote
last
month.
There's
probably
not
enough
substance
in
the
opposition
to
to
this.
R
We
we
definitely
want
to
increase
our
tax
base
and
we,
you
know,
we
don't
want
it
to
go
16
stories,
so
you
know
there's
lots
of
reasons
why
we
might
want
to
let
this
go
through
and
and
and
and
have
a
have
control
of
what
what
gets
done.
So
I
would
like
to
see
bigger
units
as
well.
It
concerns
me.
I
think
we
should
hope
that
there
will
be
permanent
residents
there,
where
there's
a
lot
of
pressure
on
our
city
and
I'd
like
to
see
the
queen
street
developments
move
forward.
R
A
A
A
A
H
Doherty,
thank
you
and
through
you,
I
just
am
calling
up
my
notes
here
right.
The
community
benefits
the
planning
act
amendments.
I
wonder
if
there's
a
lot
in
here,
I'm
particularly
concerned
about
the
new
ministerial
powers,
particularly
that
number
three
powers
over
inclusionary
zoning,
including
the
ability
to
require
the
inclusion
of
affordable
housing
units.
H
The
ministry's
powers
have
been
expanded
to
include
decisions
around
this,
and
I
wonder
if,
if
staff
could
speak
to
how
this
may
affect
any
kind
of
thoughts
that
we
may
have
discussed
through
the
mayor's
housing
task
force,
mayor's
task
force
on
housing
and
kind
of
thoughts
of
including
more
affordable
housing.
So
what
kind
of
impacts
will
we
see
in
this
new
ministerial
power?.
G
Thank
you
and
through
you.
So
as
the
regulations
were
were
passed
related
to
this
bill
very
swiftly
about
a
week
ago,
we're
still
getting
up
to
speed
with
respect
to
what
the
impact
of
all
of
them
will
be.
Specifically,
we
have
seen
in
a
number
of
the
changes
that
have
been
made
with
the
previous
government:
an
increase
in
ministerial
powers
with
respect
to
a
number
of
planning,
related
or
administrative
functions.
G
I
believe
we're
going
to
be
bringing
it
in
the
month
of
november,
I'm
not
sure
which
meeting
yet,
but
the
intention
of
that
is
to
provide
you
with
an
updated
schedule
to
the
comprehensive
zoning
bylaw
that
we're
working
on
and
to
show
you
how
we
intend
to
complete
that
work
in
2021
and
as
part
of
that
because
of
previous
direction
and
discussions
on
the
zoning
bylaw
and
in
and
around
inclusionary
zoning.
We're
going
to
provide
a
bit
of
an
update
with
respect
to
the
inclusionary
zoning
in
that.
G
G
They
now
have
what
I
believe
are
criteria
of
which
cities
are
allowed
to
use,
inclusionary
zoning
and
based
on
my
initial
read
of
the
the
criteria,
it
would
appear
that
that
may
not
be
a
tool
that's
available
to
kingston
anymore,
based
on
the
recent
government
changes.
So
with
respect
to
your
question
tonight
on
impact,
if
I
could
have
a
little
bit
of
time
and
then
bring
that
back
in
the
report
that
we're
working
on
right
now
for
november
and
give
you
more
of
a
whole
comprehensive
understanding
of
where
things
have
evolved.
F
Thank
you,
mayor,
patterson
and
through
you
and
to
you.
Actually,
if
you
would
I'm
wondering
I
look
through
the
report
and
there
are
a
number
of
strategic
items
that
the
task
force
has
come
up
with
for
the
next
100
days
and
I
think
that's
really
wise
to
put
it
in
a
time
capsule
like
that,
I'm
wondering
if
there
are
key
things
that
council
should
be
aware
of
from
that
or
if
there's
anything
specifically,
that
will
be
needed
to
support
to
help.
You
realize
that
vision.
A
It's
a
great
question,
maybe
I'll
I'll
start,
and
if,
if
mr
man
wants
to
to
join
in
with
anything
that
I've
that
I've
missed,
that
would
be
fine.
Certainly,
I
think,
on
the
the
third
priority
about
focusing
on
underrepresented
groups
in
our
community
that
are
having
have
had
difficulty
accessing
employment.
I
think
that
that
dovetails
really
nicely
with
some
of
our
leadership
and
discussions
on
diversity
and
inclusion,
and
certainly
not
only
at
the
city
level
but
supporting
the
community
committee.
A
Certainly,
on
that,
the
grant
and
advocacy
piece,
I
think,
some
of
our
work,
as
as
as
myself
and
all
of
you
are
joining
with
me
and
advocating
to
the
provincial
and
federal
governments,
I
think,
being
able
to
to
speak
with
a
voice
that
includes
the
community
community
partners
as
well
to
make
sure
that
we
can
attract
as
much
investment
and
assistance
from
upper
levels
of
government
as
possible
to
help
businesses
through
through
this
tough
time.
I
think
that
that's
definitely
a
big
piece
and
then
on
the
community
confidence
piece.
V
And
your
worship
just
to
to
add
to
the
through
you
to
the
counselor,
just
with
respect
to
workforce
development,
which
you
didn't
mention.
Certainly
we've
been
focusing
on
adapting
a
covet
lens
to
many
projects
that
were
either
under
consideration
or
in
development
that
related
to
workforce
development.
The
rapid
redeployment
and
re-skilling
council
was
was
very
kind
in
approving
a
agreement,
a
motion
to
support
an
agreement
being
signed
at
the
last
council
meeting.
We
are
seeking
additional
funding
support
so
again
council's
consideration.
V
J
J
I
do
have
a
question
with
regards
to
other
community
partners
have
been
involved
with
this
task
force,
namely
kedko,
and
I'm
wondering,
if
by
being
involved
with
this,
if
that
is
going
to
impact
the
delay
of
receiving
their
strategic
plan,
that
would
be
in
alignment
with
the
city
which
is
closing
in
on
a
year
overdue
and
being
a
member
of
of
of
the
kedko
board
your
worship.
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
give
me
a
status
report
on
that.
A
So
I
will
it's
a
bit
tangential
to
the
report,
but
I
think
it's
close
enough.
So
as
a
as
a
member
of
both
the
economic
recovery
team
and
the
board
member
of
caico,
no,
it's
not
going
to
impact
the
timeline
at
all.
The
the
work
on
the
economic
development
strategy
has
progressed
very
well
and
is
in
the
final
stages
of
getting
the
community
feedback
before
it
then
comes
to
council
for
discussion
and
approval.
A
Okay,
seeing
no
other
hands
then
we'll
we'll
move
on.
We
have
no
information
reports,
members
of
council
miscellaneous
business.
We
have
a
number
of
motions
number
one
that
is
requested
by
marina
lee
fung,
lock,
institute
of
taoism
council
proclaimed
november
7th
2020
as
fung
loy
institute
of
thailand's
50th
anniversary
day
in
kingston,
moved
by
council
chapelle
second
by
council
sanik,
all
those
in
favor
proposed
and
that's
carried
number
two
that
is
requested
by
nicole
hayes
council
proclaimed
february
28
2021
as
rare
disease
day
in
kingston.
A
Can
I
have
a
mover,
please
move
by
counselor
kylie
seconded
by
cancer
hill,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
carried
number
three
that
is
requested
by
regina
pazuti
kingston
health
sciences.
Center
council
proclaim
october
25th
to
the
31st
2020
as
respiratory
therapy
week
in
kingston,
moved
by
councillor
neil
seconded
by
councillor
stroud,
all
those
in
favor
opposed,
and
that's
carried
number
four,
that
notwithstanding
section
3.1.4
subsection
5
of
the
first
capital
place.
A
Illumination
policy
council
approved
the
application
submitted
by
jay
poulton
society
of
obstetricians
and
gynecologists
of
canada
for
the
illumination
of
city
hall
and
springer
market
square.
On
october,
8th
2020
for
hpv
prevention
week
moved
by
councillor
chappelle
seconded
by
councillor
doherty,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
carried
number
five-
that
the
resignation
of
ember
lee
doherty,
kingston
arts,
council
representative
from
the
arts
advisory
committee
be
received.
With
regret,
can
I
have
a
mover?
A
While
profitably
providing
internet
services
directly
to
public
sector
and
commercial
enterprises
for
the
past
20
years,
therefore,
we
resolve
the
city
council,
request
staff,
the
existing
to
update
to
review
the
existing
kingston
broadband
gap.
Analysis
study
and
provide
a
report
before
the
end
of
q4
2020,
with
details
of
the
scope
of
the
broadband
internet
service
gap
in
kingston
options
to
provide
internet
fiber
to
the
premises
and
financial
analysis,
including
access
to
funding
programs
from
upper
levels
of
government
council
rosterhoff.
You
have
the
floor.
R
Thank
you,
mayor
fashion.
That
was
a
mouthful
and
you
did
a
good
job
getting
that
across.
Thank
you,
so
I
just
to
open
up
I
just
as
the
counselor
for
the
rural
area.
This
issue
of
poor
to
no
high-speed
internet
has
only
been
heightened.
One
could
say
that
we
have
chosen
to
live
out
here,
so
maybe
we
could
live
without
it
more
or
less.
In
my
own
research
and
take
on
this
issue,
I
believe
there's
more.
We
can
do
to
get
broadband
to
our
homes
and
to
the
businesses
and
schools.
R
The
current
pandemic
has
exasperated
the
problem.
Families
are
frustrated,
businesses
are
frustrated,
healthcare
is
frustrated,
education
is
frustrated
and
recreation
is
frustrating.
There
are
solutions
and
opportunities
out
there
waiting
for
us.
Let's
find
a
way.
I
would
ask
for
your
support
for
this
motion.
Thank
you.
J
Counselor
historhoff,
this
was
an
excellent
motion.
Bring
forward
to
council,
considering
our
strategic
plan
still
retains
the
rural
lens
focus
for
the
city
of
kingston,
and
we
do
have
rural
communities
very
much
so
closely
lined
with
our
city.
So
a
little
bit
of
background,
I've
actually
been
involved
with
the
broadband
expansion
from
rural
communities.
J
There
was
programs
involved
years
ago
that
called
the
real
connections
and
what
you
are
proposing
in
this
motion
is
very,
very
doable,
considering
the
investment
that
the
province
has
announced
as
well
as
the
federal
government
has
announced.
Looking
at
broadband,
I
think,
by
embracing
this
we
can
leverage
those
upper
levels
of
government
to
make
something
tangible
happen
for
our
citizens
and
kudos
to
you
for
bringing
this
forward.
U
Thank
you,
your
worship.
I
totally
support
this
motion.
It
gets
right
to
the
heart
of
things,
which
is
that
every
house
needs
a
really
good,
reliable
internet
service.
That's
very
fast
and
in
the
report
that
we
just
heard
from
kingston
development
corporation,
there
was
the
one
strategy
in
there
with
provincial
funding
received.
U
This
spring
work
is
underway
on
a
remote
worker
attraction
campaign
targeting
ottawa
toronto
and
montreal
markets,
who
can
now
work
remotely
and
are
able
to
live
in
kingston,
and
so
we
really
need
this
gap
analysis
and
to
address
the
gap
analysis
so
that
we
can
be
successful
in
fulfilling
this
strategy
that
where
we
have
plans
to
launch
this
strategy
in
october
and
we're
asking
for
the
gap
analysis
to
come
back
to
council,
you
know
this
fall.
We
need
to
jump
on
it.
U
A
He
will
call
the
vote
on
new
motion
number
one.
All
those
in
favor
proposed
and
that's
carried
a
new
motion.
Number
two
moved
by
deputy
mayor
osterhauf
seconded
by
councilor
wilsonic,
whereas
bpe
developments,
inc
and
photine
consultancy
have
requested
an
official
plan
in
zoning
by
law,
amendment
for
the
property
municipally
known
as
2285
battersea,
road,
2311,
battersea,
road
and
kingston
concession,
six
part
lot
33
and
whereas
the
delegation
of
authority
by
law
allows
for
council
to
bump
up
site
plan
control.
R
U
Thank
your
worship
just
to
add
to
what
council
rosoff
just
said
that
planning
committee
meeting
where
we
heard
about,
I
can't
remember
2283
battersea
road.
It
was,
I
think
it
was
five
hours,
maybe
six
hours
we
went
until
after
midnight
started
at
6
30..
I
think
it
went
until
12
30
in
the
morning.
It
was
very
long
and
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
we
raised
and
that
the
public
raised
it
was
that's
for
site
plan,
and
so
this
site
plan
is
very,
very
important.
U
We
heard
all
of
the
concerns
about
noise
mitigation
from
the
adjacent
properties
about
late.
You
know
last
bright
lights
in
the
middle
of
the
night.
You
know
on
how
to
get
that
address
to
the
adjacent
properties.
We
heard
about
concerns
that
right
now
only
three
wells
are
being
monitored
and
the
adjacent
properties
wanted
to
increase
the
number
of
wells
that
would
be
monitored.