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City Council meeting from June 4, 2019. For the full meeting agenda visit https://www.cityofkingston.ca/residents/city-calendar-events?p_p_id=8&_8_struts_action=/calendar/view_event&_8_eventId=31296853
A
A
Good
evening,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
say
go
Annie
Buju
and
do
watch
the
quake
way
as
the
mayor
of
the
city
of
Kingston
I
offer
these
words
in
the
spirit
of
this
gathering.
Let
us
bring
our
good
minds
and
hearts
together
as
one
to
honor
and
celebrate
these
traditional
lands
as
the
gathering
place
of
the
original
peoples
and
their
ancestors
who
were
entrusted
to
care
for
Mother
Earth
since
time
immemorial.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
We
have
nothing
under
3d
the
whole
closed
meeting.
Next,
we
will
move
to
approval
of
the
adits.
We
have
an
addition
to
report
number
46,
an
addition
to
report
number
47
and
some
communications
can
I
have
a
mover.
Please
move
by
deputy
mayor
O'neil
second
by
councillor
Sanok,
all
those
in
favor.
Please
vote.
C
You
worship
and
three:
this
is
for
a
previous
meeting
on
Tuesday
May
21st
I
Ryan
Bowman,
with
the
Council
of
Corporation
in
the
City
of
Kingston,
declare
my
pecuniary
interest
in
the
matter
of
clause
1
and
to
report
number
44
as
an
employee
of
utilities
Kingston
and
may
be
perceive
that
I've
become
any
interest
in
these
matters.
That's
already
been
submitted
if
clerk
and
then
I
have
one
additional
one
for
this
evening
by
Ryan
Boehm
of
the
Council
of
the
corporation.
The
City
of
Kingston
declare
my
unity
interest
in
the
matter
of
clause.
D
A
A
A
And
that
carries
okay,
seeing
no
other
delegations
to
be
added
at
this
time.
I
will
invite
mr.
Ackerman
to
come
and
to
speak
to
counsel
with
respect
to
informational
report
number
one
first
Capitol
place
filming
opportunities.
Mr.
Eckhart,
and
just
a
note
to
our
delegations
that
you
have
five
minutes.
F
Good
evening
I'm
Chris
Ackerman
from
the
market,
the
kmv
VA
family's,
been
coming
to
the
market
for
over
50
years.
I'm
third
generation
grandparents
were
here
in
the
60s
growing
up
coming
to
market,
since
I
was
five
years
old.
So
now
in
my
mid-50s
I
wonder
if
I'm
being
able
to
continue
making
my
living
here,
it's
my
primary
income
as
it
is
for
many
others
on
the
market.
I've
received
I
recently
purchased
the
farm
from
my
parents
as
they
moved
to
Belleville
and
need
to
ensure
for
myself
and
many
others.
F
F
Lawyers
were
hired,
letters
were
exchanged
and
I'm
sure
bad
feelings
still
are
present.
I
know
that
we
can
cost
me
thousands
of
dollars
of
lost
income,
even
though
we
were
here,
but
it
was
closed
off.
It
was
sure
we
were
sure
that
nothing
else
like
this
would
ever
happen
again.
But
here
we
are
once
again
we're
being
asked
to
give
up
our
livelihood
so
that
a
movie
company
can
come
in
and
rent
what
we've
already
rented
from
the
city.
F
It's
just
it
just
makes
things
awful
hard
I'm
here
to
address
the
recent
proposal
of
being
moved
from
Springer
Market
in
the
event
of
a
movie
production.
We
have
the
indeed
met
with
city
staff,
but
by
no
means
have
come
to
any
kind
of
understanding
on
the
subject.
The
proposed
site
of
the
old
Sugarman
parking
lot
on
ontario's
and
Brock
streets
is
simply
unacceptable.
F
F
In
the
normal
market,
and
then
the
Sunday
market
there's
another
45
people,
so
that's
like
90
small
little
businesses
that
operate
on
this
market
every
week
we
just
met
Thursday
night
and
see.
Kws
was
around
the
market,
asking
questions
about
being
resituated
on
the
parking
lot
on
Brock
and
Ontario
streets
on
Saturday,
so
I
was
kind
of
in
shock,
because
we
just
we'd
decided
nothing
at
the
meeting.
I,
don't
I
just
said
like
to.
Where
do
you
get
your
information
from?
F
So
we
were
told
by
the
city
staff
that
nothing
that
had
been
booked
for
filming
there
were
some
inquiries
for
the
Market
Square,
as
well
as
the
prison,
firm
or
the
prison
for
filming
we're
just
feeling
that
we're
gonna
get
trampled
in
the
process
that
none
of
us
could
afford
to.
It
has
already
been
a
lousy
start
to
the
market
season
with
the
weather
the
last
six
months,
many
of
us
barely
getting
by
so
da
Brutus
and
in
we
put
a
final
nail
in
our
coffin
and
the
long-term
effects.
Long-Term
effects.
F
F
My
concern
just
remains
on
all
these
businesses:
small
business
owners
that
have
to
be
mortgages,
hydros,
hydro
bills,
taxes,
heating
bills
and
other
monthly
bills,
and
I
hear
tourists
every
week
when
we
have
tourists
when
it's
my
sweater
with
not
raining
all
the
time
go,
buy
in
the
market
and
say
oh
I
wish
we
had
a
market
like
this.
Where
we
live.
F
A
C
F
F
When
you
shut
down
the
princes
Street
for
the
promenade
promenade
and
some
people
who
are
saying
that
be
really
cool
that
if
we
were
on
Prentiss
Street
that
music,
that
would
be
acceptable,
putting
us
on
that
Sugarman's
lot
is
not
acceptable.
It's
not
seen
from
any
place.
It's
just
we'll
die
and
like
I've
had
a
seventh-generation
fire
that
I
just
I've
got
to
have
mortgage
money
so.
F
The
only
reason
I'm
here
is
we
the
the
points
that
we
were
talking
about,
the
proposal
that
was
put
forward
to
the
to
the
council
tonight
with
different
figures
like
we
were
told
one
day
to
set
up
one
day
to
for
movie
to
shoot
and
the
third
day
they
takedown
of
them
they're,
asking
the
staffs
asking
for
four
days
well,
where
did
that
come
from
that
didn't
come
from
your
staff
that
we
met
with?
They
asked
three
days
so
somebody's
pulling
another
day
out,
so
that
means
that
we
missed
Tuesdays
and
Thursdays
on
the
market.
F
A
A
A
I
A
H
You
your
worship,
for
this
parking
light,
I,
know
about
20
people
just
on
my
floor,
we're
a
work
that
are
perking
there
right
now
and
I
know
mr.
sample
we've
been
going
back
and
forth
today,
so
I
just
wanted.
I'm
just
make
sure
that
I
understand
it
correctly
so
because
it
would
be
so
expensive
than
to
park
at
Rideau
crest,
because
it's
going
to
park
and
display
a
dollar
50
an
hour.
H
A
J
J
E
I
guess
the
concern
that
was
expressed
and
I
shared
with
with
staff
from
a
call
that
I
received
this
morning
was
regarding,
if
there's
an
event
going
on
at
Rideau
crest.
If
they
happen
to
drive
back
and
there
wasn't
an
accessible
spot
close
by
or
handy
to
the
tower
that
they
might
well
have
to
park
deep
in
the
parking
lot
and
work
their
way
back,
which
could
be
challenging
depending
on
the
weather,
whether
they're
carrying
groceries.
E
J
Simple:
three
euro
ship,
yes,
so
I-
think
in
in
general,
in
managing
the
public
parking
supply,
certainly
ensuring
that
there's
a
sufficient
supply
of
accessible
parking
and
that
that
accessible
parking
is
co-located
to
to
the
entrances
and
exits
where
it
needs
needs
to
be
is,
is
the
primary
the
primary
way
in
which
we
approach
the
parking
supply
within
a
site
in
in
the
Rideau
crest
parking
lot.
Specifically,
there
are
a
number
of
there
are
a
number
of
entrances
both
to
the
home
and
to
the
towers
in
which
we
have
which
we
are
positioning
accessible
spaces.
J
Our
observations
of
how
that
accessible
parking
is
used
now
indicates
that
there's
that
there
is
a
sufficient
supply,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
will
set
the
number
of
spaces,
and
then
that
is
it.
We
make
adjustments
to
that
supply
all
of
the
time
and
it'll
be
based
on
the
needs
of
the
Parkers.
In
the
lot.
There
are
requests
to
be
near
the
entrances
to
the
towers
that
were
able
to
accommodate
with
14
spaces
that
exist
right
now
and
we're
adding
three
spaces
to
that.
J
Just
to
the
the
front
entrance
near
the
towers
and
there's
space
to
add
additional
additional
parking
spaces
along
that
front
entrance
as
needed.
We've
also
heard
requests
from
the
Rideau
crest
towers,
tenants
to
provide
accessible
parking
spaces
at
the
at
the
base
of
the
rear
entrance
and
we're
working
with
the
Rideau
crest
towers
management
team
to
to
ensure
that
that's
a
viable
option.
Right
now.
That
entrance
doesn't
meet
all
of
the
standards
that
are
required
for
us
to
designate
those
spaces.
E
J
Through
year,
worship
with
within
a
surface
parking
lot
we're
able
to
designate
spaces
as
needed,
and
so
we
have
practically.
We
have
signage
and
posts
that
we
move
into
locations
that
when
there's
an
additional
demand,
we
do
that.
Now
when
we
manage
events
in
the
downtown
around
the
Leon
Center,
we
do
it
when
we're
managing
events.
Where
there's
road
closures
we
reposition
and
add
accessible
spaces
as
needed.
We
would
do
the
same
as
part
of
the
Rideau
crest
parking
lot,
and
you
know
if
there
is
an
event
that
is,
that
is
coming
up.
J
J
Through
year,
worship,
yes,
so
there
are,
there
are
two
types
of
accessible
spaces,
primarily
distinguished
by
their
width,
so
the
accessible
band
spaces
are
a
wider
space.
There
are,
there
are
approximately
five
of
those
spaces
currently
within
the
within
the
areas
that
are
that
are
designated
in
the
Rideau
crest
lot,
we'll
be
looking
at
that
layout
in
that
configuration,
and
we
can
make
adjustments
to
that
as
part
of
our
as
part
of
our
line,
painting
operation
again
sort
of
making
those
changes
based
on
the
demand.
D
You
Mary
Patterson
through
you.
The
previous
answer,
alluded
to
a
question
that
I
had
pertaining
to
the
relationship
between
this
parking
lot
and
the
Leon
Center.
The
staff
anticipate
that
this
will
be
used
for
event
parking
for
the
Leon
Center.
It's
about
700
meters
away
so
fairly,
quick
walk
for
those
who
are
able
to
walk
so
is
that
something
that
is
on
staffs
Raider.
J
Through
your
worship,
so
though,
it
would
likely
support
the
leon
center
and
other
events
in
the
same
way
that
it
is
now
so
it
is
a
public
or
certainly
a
very
large
portion
of
it.
It
is
a
public
parking
lot,
that's
accessible
to
the
public
for
a
flat
fee
of
three
dollars,
so
I
would
anticipate
that
the
usage
would
be
the
same
and
again
we
would.
J
D
Right
and
follow-up
to
that
is,
would
tenants
get
a
notice
when
an
event
was
coming
ahead,
just
because
similar
to
councillor
Neill
hearing
from
people
and
picturing
the
situation
myself
of
a
busy
event,
the
parking
lots
full
a
senior
resident
living
in
that
in
that
building,
even
if
they
don't
have
an
official
accessibility
permit,
might
need
a
closer
proximity
to
park
or
if
the
parking
lots
full,
they
won't
be
able
to
walk
from
down
the
road,
especially
in
the
winter.
So
just
wondering
what
type
of
notification
that
they
may
or
may
not
receive
through.
J
Your
worship,
so
there
are
two
avenues
that
we
would
appropriate
that
we
typically
approach
changes
in
a
parking
situation.
So
the
first
is
that,
as
part
of
this
change,
all
of
that
the
tenants
would
be
issued
a
City
of
Kingston
parking
permit
and
part
of
that
involves
sharing
contact
information
and
we
share
information
out
to
our
permit
holders,
that
is,
that
is
relevant,
or
that
would
that
they
may
need
to
know.
J
The
other
piece
is
that
this
parking
would
be
managed
on
behalf
of
Rita
crest
towers,
the
property
management,
and
so
we
have
a
relationship
with
with
that
property
manager,
and
if
there
are
things
that
we
need
to
share
to
them
as
our
our
customer,
we
would
share
that
information
as
well.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
A
B
A
K
L
K
K
K
H
L
Through
you,
mr.
mayor,
that
the
the
savings
in
that
portion
of
the
program
are
related
entirely
to
administrative
savings,
so
there's
two
aspects
to
the
Ontario
Works
budget,
a
sense
essentially
there's
the
actual
benefits
themselves
which
are
paid
100%
by
the
provincial
government
and
then
there's
the
administration
costs
which
are
shared
5050
or
at
least
were
up
until
this
year.
5050
with
the
provincial
government.
L
The
savings
of
two
hundred
four
thousand
are
essentially
staffing
costs
that
it's
a
large
staffing
complement,
so
those
administration
costs
essentially
just
represent
existing
positions
that
have
gone
unfilled
for
that
year
because
of
long
term
leaves
or
positions
that
changed
hands.
So
because
it's
a
large
staffing
complement,
the
actual
savings
end
up
being
a
fairly
significant
amount.
In
this
case,
over
$200,000.
E
N
E
Our
targets
that
we've
set
for
ourselves
in
our
strategic
planning
session
and
I'm
just
curious
I
I,
applaud
the
fact
that
we
have
enough
contingency
when
we
have
large
projects
that
we're
able
to
maintain
a
working
reserve
fund,
because
that
is
definitely
our
rainy
day
fund.
If
we
need
it
in
an
emergency
sense,
but
is,
is
there
an
opportunity
to
use
some
of
that
working
reserve
to
achieve
some
of
the
whether
it's
housing
or
some
of
our
g8,
our
environmental
goals?
I?
E
A
O
A
hurdle
thank
you
and,
and
through
you,
mr.
mayor,
so
I
think
the
treasurer
would
agree
with
me
to
say
that
we
think
8
million
dollars
is
is
a
much
better
number
than
when
we're
we
were
at
the
beginning
of
the
year,
and
we
would
probably
want
to
stay
around
that
mark.
In
case
we
had
significant
issues
or
situation
that
we
needed
to
pull.
Funding
from
that
particular
reserve
fund.
I.
O
Do
want
to
point
out
that
the
majority
of
the
projects
that
were
identified
in
the
strategic
priorities
were
significant
projects
and
we
also
deferred
capital
projects
in
order
to
be
able
to
finance
them.
So
we
didn't
look
to
the
working
fund
reserve
to
finance
any
of
those
projects.
Now
there
may
be
a
few,
a
few
initiatives
that
could
come
up
like
a
study
that
we
need
to
get
done,
that
may
cost,
let's
say
75
thousand
or
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
we
could
look
at
the
working
fund
reserve
to
help
finance
that.
O
E
Just
a
quick
I
think
this
is
a
retort,
maybe
a
rhetorical
question.
Often
working
reserve
gets
spent
when
something
unforeseen
comes
up
and
there's
a
staff
recommendation,
but
there's
also
a
possibility.
Is
there
not
for
with
counsel
direction
to
allocate
those
funds
as
well?
Is
that
an
accurate
statement.
O
B
A
So
paragraph
five
is
so:
we've
already
called
the
vote
on
the
first
four
paragraphs
of
Clause
one,
so
paragraph
five
is
the
one
that
begins
that
the
net
surplus
generated
from
the
municipal
utilities
operations
the
amount
of
five
million.
Five
thousand
one
hundred
ninety
three
dollars
be
allocated
to
from
the
following
utility
reserve
funds
and.
I
The
only
question
I
have
is
I,
don't
see
anything
for
debt
reduction
in
any
of
the
reserves
being
moved
around
and
I
did
want
to
ask
a
question
but
I
misunderstood
the
way
you
broke
up.
The
question
on
WSIB
Stabilization
Reserve
I
wanted
to
understand
if
that
was
a
new
reserve,
if
we're
had
an
unfunded
liability,
but
I
won't
take
that
offline
with
staff
afterwards,
since
it's
not
the
appropriate
time.
Thank
you.
Okay.
G
A
N
Thank
you
three-year
worship,
so
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
a
couple
of
things
with
respect
to
the
to
the
the
debt
reduction.
So
the
all
of
the
utility
surplus
has
gone
into
the
capital
reserve
funds,
including
the
gas
surplus
which
actually
goes
into
the
municipal
capital
reserve
fund,
so
those
monies
will
be
used
for
capital
pay-as-you-go
in
the
future.
So
I
would
consider
that
debt
action
in
terms
of
future
debt
that
we
will
not
have
to
issue
because
we've
increased
our
capital
reserve
funds
that
that
savings
account
of
that
pay-as-you-go
piece.
N
There
was
also
a
small
amount,
but
$500,000
of
that
that
we
also
put
in
for
transit
surplus
and
the
library
surplus
as
well
went
into
their
capital
reserve
funds,
so
that
also
will
be
used
in
the
future
for
capital
as
opposed
to
issuing
debt.
So
it
it's
not
current
debt,
but
it
will
certainly
be
future
debt
that
we
won't
have
to
be
issuing.
A
A
A
A
M
Follow
through
you,
your
worship
into
the
councilor
and
council,
we're
trying
to
work
with
the
vendors
Association
to
identify
the
opportunities
first
and
we
do
want
to
work
with
them.
As
specifically,
you
know
that
we've
identified
Tuesday
as
a
potential
opportunity
for
displacement,
so
I
know
the
delegation
indicated
a
four-day
opportunity
which
would
displace
Thursday,
but
it
would
be
we'd
work
with
our
film
liaison
to
identify
a
maximum
potentially
in
for
this
year
of
three
days.
M
So
if
it
was
just
a
Tuesday
and
we
could
work
with
our
vendors
Association
to
come
up
with
some
opportunities
and
have
further
discussion,
then
that
would
be
our
process.
We
do
currently
work
through
a
film
policy
and
our
booking
process
and
allocations
of
our
first
Capitol
place
to
ensure
that
we
are
communicating
that
exercise
and
working
with
other
bookings.
We
don't
have
any
current
bookings
of
filming
opportunities
for
this
year.
As
indicated
in
the
report.
M
O
You
and
three
there
so
I
just
want
to
add
to
what
director
Falwell
indicated
so
right
now
we
are
in
that
process
of
consulting
there's,
nothing.
Obviously
that
has
been
finalized.
What
we
wanted
to
do
is
we
want
to
be
proactive
and
bring
the
information
to
Council,
because
we
expected
that
council
would
hear
from
individuals
once
we
started
the
consultation
process,
so
we
wanted
to
be
proactive
and
provides
you
with
that
information.
E
You
familiar
with,
and
it's
worth
looking
into,
Kelowna
actually
closes
off
their
street
for
a
block
or
two
for
their
market,
and
it's
just
like
our
when
we
do
it
for
retail,
it's
very,
very
busy
and
I
think
that
that
might
allow
for
no
loss
or
much
less
loss
than
going
to
a
parking
lot.
So
with
the
consideration.
Thank
you.
H
You
your
worship
on
in
the
report.
It
said
that
it
would
be
closed,
maybe
for
four
consecutive
days,
so
it
would
be
three
days
and
then
the
one
that
would
affect
the
market
would
be
the
Tuesday,
so
we'd
be
looking
at
wherever
possible,
closing
like
Springer
Market,
Square,
Monday,
Tuesday
Wednesday,
and
it
would
only
affect
the
vendors
Association
on
Tuesday.
Is
that
right?
It's
not
really.
Four
days
we're
looking
at
and.
M
Through
you,
your
worship
and
yes,
and
that's
a
correction
I'd
like
to
make
here
a
council
that
staff
would
commit
to
working
with
the
vendors
Association
to
identify
Tuesday
as
that
opportunity
for
the
financial
compensation
or
a
relocation
opportunity
and
we'll
continue
to
work
with
them
to
see.
If
that's
something
that
we
can
collaboratively
come
up
with.
Q
A
Q
D
You
mayor
Paterson
through
you
in
the
report.
It
mentions
the
possibility
of
buyout
and
I'm
wondering
where
that
money
would
come
from.
Would
that
be
part
of
the
deal
with
the
production
has
to
be
built
into
the
contract
that
could
then
be
put
through
to
the
vendor,
or
would
that
be
shouldered
by
the
city?
Mr.
M
J
Through
year,
worship
just
to
clarify
your
councilor,
you
were
asking:
was
there
a
study
of
the
pedestrian
and
cycling
traffic
completed
as
part
of
the
2009
decision?
I
see,
I
I
don't
have
information
that
suggests
that
there
was
this
specific
study
related
to
the
to
a
pedestrian
or
cycling
aspect.
What
would
have
been
considered
as
part
of
the
environmental
assessment
that
fed
into
that
process?
J
What
would
have
been
the
travel
information
and
trip
information
that
would
have
been
that
would
have
been
part
of
the
environmental
assessment.
My
understanding
of
the
process
in
in
2000
that
ran
from
2007
to
2009.
Is
it
it
considered.
It
considered
the
risks
to
the
project
and
options
to
contain
cost.
A
Okay,
so
you
know
other
questions.
We
have
no
information
reports,
members
of
council
miscellanies
business.
We
have
several
motions
number
one
that
is
requested
by
the
Kingston
Humane
Society
City
Council
proclaim
September
22nd
2019
as
Kingston
Humane
Society
Day,
in
recognition
of
the
one
hundred
and
thirty
fifth
anniversary
of
the
Kingston
Humane
Society,
moved
by
Councillor
of
sanic
seconded
by
deputy
mayor
Neal,
mccall
vote.
A
And
that
carries
number
two,
that
notwithstanding
section
three
point,
1
point:
4
subsection
5
of
the
illumination
of
city
facilities
policy,
Kingston
City
Council
approved
the
elimination
of
City
Hall
and
Springer
Market
Square
in
red
on
June
19th
2019
for
world
sickle-cell
day,
and
that
is
requested
by
the
sickle-cell
awareness
group
of
Ontario.
City
Council
proclaimed
June
19th
2019
as
world
sickle-cell
day
in
the
City
of
Kingston,
moved
by
councillor
Stroud
seconded
by
councillor
Holland.
A
And
that
carries
number
3
that,
notwithstanding
section
3
point,
1
point
4,
subsection
5
of
the
elimination
of
city
facilities
policy,
Kingston
City
Council
approved
the
illumination
of
City
Hall
in
Springer
Market
Square
in
red
on
June
13th
2019
for
st.
Lawrence
College
convocation
Kingston
campus
lured
by
councillor
Kiley
seconded
by
Deputy
Mayor
Neill.
These
votes.
H
H
Engaging
the
public
by
the
Year
2021
and
that's
super
where
this
motion
is
different,
is
that
it
is
asking
to
form
a
working
group
for
a
very
short
period
of
time
to
come
up
with
a
list
of
quick
wins
at
no
cost
or
low
cost,
and
just
to
sort
of
kickstart
the
entire
process.
What
can
we
do
as
an
entire
community
I'm?
As
we
see
on
the
motion,
it
will
have
12
members,
it's
gonna
start
meeting
over
the
summer
and
come
back
to
council
in
early
fall.
So
that's
what
this
motion
is
about.
H
E
A
E
Typically,
when
we
establish
a
working
group,
it's
always
been
my
experience
that
and
I'm
not
volunteering.
God
knows
I've
got
too
many
committees,
I'm
sitting
on
already,
but
typically
there's
an
opportunity
for
anybody
interested
on
council
to
put
their
name
forward,
and
typically
we
do
appointments
I
believe
through
through
the
nominations
committee,
so
I'm
just
curious
as
to
the
rationale
for
this
and
I
apologize
that
I
didn't
bring.
This
question
up
previously.
I
just
assumed
that
it
was
appointments,
would
go
the
normal
route
through
the
nominations
committee,
so.
H
You,
your
worship,
I'm.
It
was
due
to
timelines.
If
we
go
through
nominations,
we'll
have
to
call
the
meeting,
then
we'll
have
to
bring
it
back
to
Council,
so
we're
looking
at
July
and
already
they
want
to
you
know
the
working
group
wants
to
have
the
meeting
before
we
get
into
vacation
season.
So
it
was
all
about
the
timing,
but
just
like
with
the
taskforce
on
housing.
E
I'm
appreciative
about
how
time-sensitive
this
whole
issue
is,
it
would
have
been
nice
if
this
initiative
had
come
sooner
and
I
guess
my
my
issue
is
if
it
doesn't
go
through
the
normal
process,
where
people
throughout
the
community
can
apply
and
be
considered
through
the
nominations
process,
then
there's
going
to
be
some
disappointment.
There's
going
to
be
some
suggestions
that
perhaps.
E
This
this
process
isn't
as
open
as
as
our
processes
for
appointments
to
working
groups
and
committees
normally
are
I'm
really
supportive
of
this
initiative.
I'm
supportive
of
the
people
that
have
put
their
names
forward
I
just
wish
that
we
weren't
doing
this
totally
in-house
and
I'm
quite
happy
to
hear
other
comments
from
other
councillors.
R
You
know,
kind
of
an
exercise,
that's
happening
without
the
support
of
the
staff
that
are
already
been
kind
of
given
direction
to
work
on
this
and
I'm
sure
some
marching
orders
have
probably
already
gone
out
in
terms
of
supporting
this
initiative,
so
I'm
just
wondering
how
does
that?
How
does
I
guess
staff
see
this
working
together
with
the
efforts
that
they're
already
undertaking
to
to
address
this
initiative?
I
can.
O
You
and
now
three
mr.
mayor
so
I'll
start
to
address
a
question
and
mr.
Egan
boss
may
want
to
jump
in
and
add
to
that
as
well.
So
we
have
we've
had
the
chance
to
have
a
conversation
with
both
councilor
Kiley
and
Dorothy
in
terms
of
the
expectation
and
what
would
be
required.
As
far
as
supporting
the
this
particular
working
group,
we
we
don't
anticipate
that
it
would
require
significant
staff
time,
because
it
is
a
working
group.
O
That's
looking
at
some
fairly
simple
ways
to
try
to
get
some
messaging
education,
and
essentially
some
quick
wins
in
the
community,
so
probably
more
from
a
communications
perspective
that
I
would
say
in
the
coordination
where
most
of
the
time
is
going
to
be
spent.
The
other
point
that
I'd
like
to
to
address
it
is
around
the
process.
A
P
Thank
you,
and
through
you,
I'd
like
to
thank
the
councillors
for
the
comments,
I
appreciate
where
you're
coming
from
really
the
intent
with
this
is
the
timing,
and
it
will
also
consider
that
there
is
a
larger
process
that
is
going
to
take
place
so
and
so,
which
will
start
in
2009
and
will
complete
in
2021.
So
this
was
really
just
the
the
intent
here
is
to,
as
acting
commissioner
hurdle
just
mentioned,
is
to
find
some
really
some
solutions
that
we
know
we
can
implement
before
well
before
2021
and
perhaps
immediately
as
well.
Thanks.
S
The
I
understand
I
to
acting
CEO
hurdles,
point
comment,
I
think
about
the
composition,
I
think
and
the
timelines
as
well
as
others
have
mentioned.
There,
isn't
any
direction
in
this
motion
that
is
specific
to
a
staff
report
or
council
action
or
anything
along
those
lines.
It's
just
stating
that
there
will
be
a
presentation
on
some
ideas
in
the
community,
so
I
think.
For
that
reason,
it's
it
is
it's
I
can
support
it.
S
The
way
it
is
the
main
thing
that
I
would
just
mention,
though,
and
just
because
just
in
discussing
it
we're
kind
of
slipping
back
and
forth
between
saying
what
we
could
do
and
whereas
I
think
this.
The
intention
of
this
was
always
to
focus
in
on
the
community's
involvement
in
reducing
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
When
we
spoke
about
this
at
strategic
planning,
we
talked
a
lot
about
the
corporation,
which
there
wasn't
as
much
focus
on
the
community
and
so
I
know.
That's
where
this
came
from
and
I
think.
S
For
that
reason,
having
this
group
involved
bringing
attention
to
community
efforts
possible
community
efforts
is,
is
really
good
and
positive,
but
I
just
would
maybe
based
on
some
recent
personal
experience.
Caution
that
the
mandate,
however,
it
is
eventually
phrased
and
the
process
is
completely
clear
to
the
public
in
terms
of
what
they
can
expect,
how
they
can
expect
to
participate,
because
if
the
composition
consists
of
12
members
of
whoever,
whoever
they
and
I'm,
ok
with
with
the
form
8
formation.
D
Thank
you,
mayor,
Paterson
and
through
you,
and
thanks
to
my
colleagues
who
made
comment
so
far.
I
want
to
address
briefly
comment:
councillor
Hill
made
about
school
boards.
We
definitely
recognize
that,
and
that
was
a
discussion
that
I
had
with
the
clerk's
office
in
preparing
this,
and
there
are
certain
individuals
who
may
be
interested
in
this
working
group
who
could
fill
multiple
positions
so,
for
example,
someone
that
might
work
for
the
school
board,
limestone
district
school
board
and
st.
Lawrence
College.
There
are
there
ways
in
which
we
can
keep
the
the
numbers
low
for
this.
D
But
everyone
within
the
boundaries
of
the
city
needs
to
so
that's
kind
of
the
spirit
of
the
representation
of
the
group
and
another
thing.
Hearing
concerns
about
potential
public
engagement
and
questions
about
whether
or
not
this
will
be
an
open
process.
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
all
these
meetings
that
we
have
like
other
committee
meetings
will
be
open
for
the
public
to
attend.
So
that
is
an
opportunity
for
people
to
stay
engaged
and
to
see
the
the
workings
of
this
working
group.
So
obviously
I
encourage
everyone
to
vote
in
favor
of
it.
I
Three
worship
looking
at
the
motion,
I,
do
agree
with
councillor
Neill
about
the
appointment
process
it's
sort
of
outside.
So
it
begs
a
question
if
other
committees
from
Council
can
be
formed
as
well,
such
as
taking
out
the
words
climate
change
and
put
that
reduction
or
property
tax
assessment
committee,
and
if
there
would
be
any
objection
for
myself
and
other
councillors
proposing
a
committee
of
similar
structure.
That
does
not
have
a
financial
commitment
and
I'm,
assuming
that
there
is
no
financial
commitment
through
Council.
For
this
motion.
Q
Thank
you,
I'm
standing
a
lot
today,
because
I
really
hurt
my
back
last
week
and
sitting
is
difficult.
Okay.
So
this
is
a
really
interesting
motion.
It's
a
really
interesting
motion.
So
for
and
there's
been
some
excellent
points,
so
I'm
just
gonna
just
get
everyone's
attention
back
on
the
motion
itself.
Hopefully
it
doesn't
timeout
here
and
of
what
it
actually
does
so
and
what
it
doesn't
do.
So
it
is
yes,
it
is
an
unusual
process
of
appointment.
It
is
self
appointing
two
counselors
that
both
obviously
had
a
hand
in
writing.
Writing
of
the
motion.
Q
That
least
you
would
presume,
and
and
and
that
is
normally
a
vote
of
council
when
we
say
you
you
volunteer,
for
you
know,
ITP
everybody,
volunteers
and
we
vote
on
it.
We
do
it
that
way
for
a
reason,
because
we
represent
the
entire
city
and
then
it's
a
democratic
process.
This
is
more
of
an
okay
sure.
Q
Q
We
also
have
a
system
of
committees
and
working
groups
wide
system
already
in
place
heritage.
You
know,
accessibility,
all
the
different
committees,
some
of
which
have
working
group
that
do
this
exact
thing,
they're
all
composed
to
community
members.
It's
a
less
formal
setting
than
a
committee.
The
working
groups
are
and
allows
them
to
do
this
kind
of
work
quickly
with
with
quicker
timelines
and-
and
we
have
a
process
for
this-
we
have
procedures
in
place
for
this
through
the
committee
by
law.
This
does
an
end
run
around
all
of
that
structure
and
that's
the
problem.
Q
The
problem
isn't
with
the
intent.
The
intent
is
excellent.
The
problem
is
we've
as
councillor
Neill
started.
The
appointment
process
is
irregular
and
somewhat
arbitrary.
The
two
councillors
that
are
on
the
committee
are
the
ones
that
are
just
volunteering
and
it
would
make
it
so
if
we
voted
through
tonight
and
I
would
say
if
we
followed
the
regular
procedures
and
we
came
to
a
working
group
that
was
doing
this
work,
that
would
be
great
and
then
I
think
wait
a
minute.
Q
Don't
we
already
have
the
Kingston
environmental
advisory
forum
and
sure
they've
been
unproductive
in
the
past,
with
a
mandate
that
was
bloated
or
it
took,
took
it
in
different
directions,
but
we
just
redid
the
mandate.
We
just
updated
the
mandate,
they
haven't
even
met,
since
we
did
that
now
they
may
not
meet
very
much
over
the
summer
and
if
we're,
if
we're
really
want
it
to
be
quick,
then
maybe
they
need
to
strike
a
quick
working
group.
Q
Maybe
we
need
to
tell
Keith
to
get
working
on
this
exact
thing,
the
exact
everything
all
the
warehouses,
everything
that's
in
there
we
tell
Keith
to
start
working
on.
It
strike
a
working
group
and
get
it
done
and
give
us
that
presentation
in
the
fall.
But
that's
not
what
this
motion
does.
This
motion
says
councillor
Kiley
councillor,
Dority,
we'll
get
probably
some
people
that
they
already
have
picked
out
and
that's
the
third
aspect
of
its
like
to
point
out.
These
people
have
been
saying
things
about
climate
change
for
years.
Q
Some
of
these
people
that
are
gonna
be
on
this
working
group.
Okay.
So
it's
not
new
information
that
we're
going
to
receive
it's
the
it's
the
same
people.
What
I
would
say
if
something
new
coming
from
council
was
going
to
be
done,
is
how
do
we
reach
the
rank
and
file
of
Kingstonian
x'
that
want
to
do
something
for
climate
change
in
the
community.
The
people
that
we
haven't
asked
yet
that's
who
we
need
to
be
going
after
the
people
that
haven't
already
didn't
been
given
a
voice.
Q
This
is
going
to
appoint
people
that
already
have
a
voice,
and
it's
doing
it
in
a
very
narrow
way,
with
two
counselors
that
we
know
are
very
close
in
ideology
and
I
would
say
that's.
Maybe
a
fourth
problem
is
that
maybe
if
the
two
counselors
there
we're
more
representative
of
a
broad
spectrum
of
the
community
or
of
the
council
table
from
the
point
of
view
of
ideology,
it
might
be
okay,
regretfully
I
will
have
to
oppose
this
motion.
Thank
you.
C
The
the
concerns
that
I
have
here
rests
with
the
fact
that,
although
the
intent
is
really
good,
it's
do
we
already
have
the
tools
in
place
that
are
underutilized
to
actually
do
this.
Have
we
explored
all
those
tools
and
in
hearing
more
and
more
in
looking
at
the
composition,
I
kind
of
realized
that
it
really?
This
is
about
the
public,
and
so
it
should
almost
be
done
by
the
public,
whereas,
as
councillor
Stroud
pointed
out,
a
lot
of
these
voices
have
already
kind
of
been
heard.
C
So
I
just
would
not
want
to
see
an
effort
in
futility
where
we're
going
out
and
rehashing
some
of
the
same
things
that
have
already
been
done,
and
then
there's
gonna
be
a
big
criticism
at
the
end,
which
was
they
were
kind
of
all
handpicked.
What
really
came
out
of
it?
None
of
those
recommendations
or
not
things
we
haven't
heard
before
so.
C
In
my
mind,
I
think
this
is
something
where
maybe
it
needs
I'd
hate
to
see
it
fail,
but
maybe
it
needs
to
be
gone
over
again
in
a
sense
to
come
back
to
see
if
there's
a
better
way
to
accomplish
this,
because
if
you
put
it
to
a
vote
tonight-
and
you
have
a
few
people
vote
against
it,
it's
just
not
gonna
look
good.
So
in
my
mind,
I
think
it
would
almost
be
better
to
to
defer
this
and
have
it
another
go
at
the
wording
and
what
tools
might
accomplish
something
like
this.
C
A
A
D
D
D
A
So
here's
what
I
would
here's
I
was
suggesting
I'm
gonna
make
these
comments
as
neutrally
as
I
can
and
just
speak
to
the
process.
They're
effectively,
two
things
that
could
happen
number
one.
There
is
an
option
for
the
mover
to
withdraw
the
motion
with
the
intent
of
bringing
it
back
at
the
next
meeting,
which
would.
A
The
second
option
is
that
this
motion
can
be
deferred
with
the
intent
that
an
amendment
would
then
be
put
on
the
floor
when
it
comes
back
that
would
address
any
of
those
changes
so
effectively.
There
are
two
different
routes.
I
would
suggest
that
perhaps
withdrawing
the
motion
is
probably
the
simpler
one,
but
motion
to
defer
can
can
do
that
as
well.
Councillor
Sanok,
do
you
have
a
point
of
work?
I.